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tidal heart
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It would be amazing if they made it like 99 cents just to troll the people angry 😂

glass pendant
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I think it'll be good for the game if it's full price

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The same people that were saying s2 give us more way to support you financially are now griefing over "oh no paid content"

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It's exhausting

rigid creek
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You think the $40 expansion won't kill the game?

tidal heart
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I think they are nuts if they releasing it on ps5 for $30 they should full send $70

glass pendant
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Base game is 30

rigid creek
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34 euros, that's like $40, no?

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Yeah

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But to iterate on your point, yeah, even $30 would kill the game

glass pendant
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I heavily doubt the price of an expansion will be the price of the main game

half flint
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do i need to play the whole campaign again on a new Account?

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severe socket
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TF they mean "expansion"?

half flint
inner finch
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The way i see it, expansion is just a grandioze word for another big patch

willow sentinel
main frigate
willow sentinel
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Unless it's some kind of elaborate troll

severe socket
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🤔

half flint
tidal heart
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I just figured expansion meant like league because they call leagues cycles or something but it also is easier to package a ps5 game as last epoch game with expansion and it sounds like you getting good value

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Because new players coming in are starting fresh on ps5 so they haven’t done the acts

glass pendant
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Idk you're welcome to agree but I think a proper price tag on something they call their biggest project yet will help further develop the game. If not well, pretty sure I'll manage moving on with my life

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Disagree*

inner finch
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the whole cycles thing was realized as a bad idea 2 seasons ago

tidal heart
glass pendant
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I don't know. In a market with overly monetized things, and people blindly dropping 60 70 and 80 on hungry companies that have been exploiting the very same market for years, incremental dlcs for double digits that add a single character or something similar

tidal heart
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True

glass pendant
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30 extra on a 30 game already 6 years out kills it?

tidal heart
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Look at wow and ffxiv

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New expacs every two years etc

glass pendant
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Are we really gonna pretend all the doomspeakers won't go and drop 100 on GTA?

tidal heart
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D4 already in their second expac

glass pendant
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People love preaching doom

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So yeah, I think another 30 is fine and reasonable if the content is sizable

pearl orbit
tidal heart
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I was like ….k

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spice cobalt
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idk man I pay more than that $30 a year for Stellaris DLCs

pearl orbit
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I bought bl4, it's fantastic. Best borderlands ever made.

sharp raft
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Not trying to pick fights - literally curios what sings have you seen they are capable

willow sentinel
pearl orbit
tidal heart
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pearl orbit
glass pendant
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(not you in particular obviously)

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spice cobalt
pearl orbit
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Im staying with age of wonders 4 until they can fix the mess called version 4

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Rip my space game

glass pendant
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I don't understand why for a 6 year old game that stood at 30 and below, everyone's out to get them for the smallest move towards an additional funding support for literal content, not p2w or battle pass or anything else. Yes they might not deliver nothing is certain, but if you're gonna start from somewhere, I'm pretty sure that's the ideal point

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If it fails oh well, 30 down the drain

sharp raft
pearl orbit
glass pendant
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Nobody's perfect

pearl orbit
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Even with the multitude of issues I find LE to be more fun than all the other arpgs on the market rn

spice cobalt
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Yeah, how I usually approach these things is if I got my money's worth and worth the money's about to spend then like why not

glass pendant
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I want all of them to do well because that's how a healthy market works

pearl orbit
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Yup

glass pendant
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I think it's very necessary for the future of the game

tidal heart
# glass pendant I don't understand why for a 6 year old game that stood at 30 and below, everyon...

Well there is a reason. So this game has a lot of old school arpg gamers and mmo players who got burnt by blizzard and stuff it’s why the main sub is obsessed with grim dawn. So they supported the game and it’s fair they were here when the game was not what it is now. I just don’t know they think the company can sustain $30 and it’s bad mtx to keep new leagues coming when its competitors are Poe, Poe 2 and d4 which all have better monetization to pay their bills. So them being gamers making a game for gamers and that old school magic kind of hurting them now they want to branch into more of the market

pearl orbit
glass pendant
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Including mtx

stiff raft
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I found nothing guys, I don't know if it was said, but in which timeframe the expansion is supposed to come out?

glass pendant
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That's all we know

tidal heart
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I agree the second the season 2 league came out they should have jacked the price up or charged more for stuff when they got good number of people

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Because idk how they can keep the 30 entry fee for life working

glass pendant
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I said I'd be more than glad to pay for content, and I'm getting just that (unless it's free which imo is the wrong move)

tidal heart
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Yeah you prob right

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pearl orbit
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Kids spend more money on fortnite a month

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You'll be fine

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tidal heart
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Again doesn’t matter to me what they do, like I enjoy the game. So I’ll buy whatever.

stiff raft
pearl orbit
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You guys remember when every new mmo to ever come out was a "wow killer"? This has the same energy

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Wow is STILL going. Somehow.

glass pendant
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Charging for content is the most honest thing someone can do

spice cobalt
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EHG should instead add paid stash tabs and release stash tabs with each expansion /j

pearl orbit
stiff raft
tidal heart
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I would pay for stash tabs if I could have them carry over and set up 😂 I hate setting up my tabs every season. It’s nice in Poe I make them on my standard toon and they set for my leagues

glass pendant
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Guild wars 2 had (probably still has) a great model where there's a few free updates between expansions. Goes like, 5-6 content drops, then big expansion content drop

pearl orbit
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What they should do is add a season mechanic to build a base, which takes real days to upgrade, but you can buy skips using gems, which you buy from steam using cash

glass pendant
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And it's worked wonderfully for them and MMOs are a dying breed keep that in mind

main frigate
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I'm proud of myself to spend zero on mtx in any games

well I can paint them only, to pretend I own that
:(

pearl orbit
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Would you spend $5 to open a pack of 10 unique items to find that SS rank immortal vise?

tidal heart
glass pendant
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The amount of bricked 2lps hooly

tidal heart
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Now they got a big thing for all of them

pearl orbit
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That's okay. For another $5 you can try again

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pearl orbit
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You need to actually collect 10 different SS immortal vise items to combine them into a SSS immortal vise. Double the stats.

glass pendant
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90% of all damage taken gets staggered for 4 seconds

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Removed if you breathe

pearl orbit
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If you use a power up gem, which is a 1 time use for $30, you can even stagger 95% damage

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Insane value 900%

main frigate
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But basic of characters (free part) in any games test artists in this game team the most I guess because it's the sell point 🤔

tidal heart
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They just gotta release himbo primalist skins where he can wear swimsuit mtx and it will fix all their sales problems

main frigate
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People will not pay more for this game if basic visual effects are terrible already

tidal heart
pearl orbit
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If they can put Nikki Minaj into modern warfare, they can put primalist in a speedo

tidal heart
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We also have no unarmed class right? Give us a monk or something or a brawler

pearl orbit
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No. Fist weapon sure. No weapon is a design issue im firmly against it

grizzled karma
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Major expansion release date guesses?

A 2025
B 2026 (first half)
C 2026 (second half)

main frigate
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Lol

tidal heart
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Poe 2 league gonna be December and Poe 1 league feb then Poe 2 league prob again April

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GGG said every 4 months next Poe 2 is Dec, next Poe 1 is October

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Just don’t have it be in those months please

sharp raft
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December gonna be tough if they release druid and engame changes (much needed)

tidal heart
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.4 end game update

sharp raft
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Well, EHG dont release december 😄

tidal heart
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Last epoch season 4 end of Jan would be perfect

pearl orbit
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Poe2 is end of dec? New Zealand doesn't celebrate Christmas or what

main frigate
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They have Christmas holiday

sharp raft
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if its end of jan that would be..6 months gap between seasons though

pearl orbit
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Why would they release a major update before holiday

sharp raft
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so you can have the highest % possibility for more income due to a lot of players having free time to play which increases chance for MTX transactions + RMT

pearl orbit
sharp raft
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Release it in November then which puts it on the 4th month mark

pearl orbit
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A lot of us want to play both games

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And having them at the same time sucks

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main frigate
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1 week gap is unacceptable.

2 weeks gap is fine.

pearl orbit
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Eddie hall is already a primalist, just needs to grow his hair out

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2 is short, 4 is minimum I'd say

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If a season has good longevity you arent done in 2 weeks

glass pendant
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And magnus mitbo skin for the rogue omegalul

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I make myself laugh

main frigate
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You will know if it's worth to go on grinding in this cycle in the first week. Another week is grinding only.

sharp raft
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Give me cool unique chase items, cool new skills and interactions between them and enough actual endgame systems different from each other that each have their own subsystem that can go deep in some way and i'll be grinding for far more than a week

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glacial crow
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When is last epoch coming to xbox

simple bison
glacial crow
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Its unfair first playstation

woven ridge
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or to sell a game to consumers who only bought the base game in the first place
because it was promised to never had paid dlc

silk compass
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wait, we gonna have a paid DLC?

sharp raft
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Well it's not like we have a gun pointed to our lobes 😄 If it's trash we just leave the game, let it die and thats it - no biggie

woven ridge
sharp raft
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but poe2 will catch up to a decent state

silk compass
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ggg care about players

sharp raft
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if they fix endgame, release more weapons and classes it's done deal

silk compass
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guys, we gonna have a paid dlc or its rumors?

sharp raft
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performance is a also garbage but given how insanely talented people wrote that engine of theirs - im sure they will figure it out

main frigate
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No winner on do they care about players

south moat
glass pendant
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I feel bad for Mike having to deal with all this flak in the dev channel

silk compass
glass pendant
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Some people are something else

woven ridge
# silk compass wait, we gonna have a paid DLC?

from what ive heard

  • EHG has been weirdly trying to reverse course on their "no paid DLC ever" promise in interviews lately, specifically saying

We aren't ready to share our full plans how the expansion will be distributed [...]

  • EHG called LE: Orobyss "the first major expansion" to LE

and i mean
if you publicly promised that all future content will be free
and youre planning to keep that promise
you wouldnt go "sorry arent ready to share if the next expansion will cost money or not"

silk compass
sharp raft
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I couldnt care less if they charge 30 bucks for an expansion - the only thing that I care is if its quality and provides at least 2 weeks of playtime minimum

silk compass
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If we have a paid dlc I never back to game

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xdd

sharp raft
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2 hookah sessions outside are 30 bucks ffs 😄

glass pendant
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This isn't an airport

marsh bolt
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Guys think about it.. its called last epoch orobyss in the playstation store which means there is no seperate expansion which means it cant be a paid expansion

silk compass
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the game needs more content before having a paid dlc

tame loom
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Season 1 was fun, got the big supporter pack
Season 2 was fun, got the big supporter pack
Season 3 was average at best, got no supporter pack

Make good content, I spend my money. Make meh content, I don't. Please don't add content behind "expansion" paywalls after all this

frosty gate
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I think they announced it like this no information or anything with all this stuff, community not agreeing, etc. to see if they are gonna make it paid or not 😂

marsh bolt
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if its supposed to be a paid dlc it would have to be a different item to buy on the store page

woven ridge
# glass pendant people love announcing stuff like this

i mean
the most likely reason for EHG to be cagy like this is because they/krafton are still gauging the possibility for community backlash if they do make it paid
in which case
publically announcing you will be leaving if Thing Publisher Thinks About Doing happens is the only real way to prevent said thing

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sadly theres an even louder minority backlash to the backlash
so
💀

tame loom
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What do you guys expect for season 4 btw? And what do you feel about the content of season 2 vs season 3?

woven ridge
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and most of the endgame stuff we have rn is orobyss's minions

tame loom
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Yes of course, end game activities kind of is a given

silk compass
shut wadi
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Remove your community testing program, release a season with enemies doing double damage, will they even test an expansion at this point? lol

tame loom
south moat
silk compass
shut wadi
silk compass
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got lvl 100, killed aberroth and quit

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I wanted to play more but I didn't have nothing to do

tame loom
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What would be good end game activities for you? Trying to see what players would want/like

willow sentinel
willow sentinel
silk compass
willow sentinel
silk compass
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make sense to be for this

willow sentinel
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The official reason given in the post was to alleviate the feeling of the game being solved because of day 0 or day - 1 build guide

silk compass
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hm

shut wadi
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Those still happened

astral vortex
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but how many werent changed after a day or two into the season....

tidal heart
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They just gotta meta shake up a bit more , so few changes to classes it was just the same pretty much as last season but with bear/frogs

tame loom
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What about less changes to classes, and more changes to items? To allow more builds

pine yarrow
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im looking to get back into game and try miniones - are they relativly on the same level, or are there the big "meta" ones and rest is meh?

willow sentinel
tidal heart
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Like most players came in excited and saw the erasing strike, paladin and falconer. People were hoping for a bit more variety at the top I’m sure there is now but a lot of people do league starts to just get into the content and play something strong

shut wadi
pine yarrow
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Just abom? or can u experiment more with that

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if im playin minions i kinda want a whole army of them as a necro tbh

willow sentinel
shut wadi
willow sentinel
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But abom do seems to be cracked

tame loom
pine yarrow
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i also want to try forged weps with the new ee
was it axe?

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from the primal beasts

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so many games to juggle tho omegalul

shut wadi
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If you're playing other games right now just wait a couple months for season 4 🙃

pine yarrow
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it's always the same with me and gaming tho, im juggling LE, poe's, gw2, warframe
and i kinda didn't play that much LE this season so i want to try more

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unlucky timings

shut wadi
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Season 3 stuff will still be in the game next season, so don't sweat it too much

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It's really not as much as season 2 either

tame loom
# pine yarrow unlucky timings

Unless you plan on playing LE full time for the next two months, there's absolutely no issue with the timing. If you want to play it now, play it now, it changes absolutely nothing

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Actually the only difference would be the economy if you go trade, but if you go CoF, playing day one or now is the same game

sharp raft
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I literally said that if its good quality and enough content - it doesnt matter

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not sure what you want to achieve with that comment 😄

glass pendant
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siphon enjoyers

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chance to apply doom on hit

sharp raft
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😄 😄 😄 😄

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Mind you Tenebris I bought Titan Quest 2 for 25 ish bucks and i completed it in 5 or 6 hours

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But greek setting with caves and beaches is my favorite thing for an arpg so thats that

pine yarrow
tame loom
steep river
# pine yarrow im playing CoF always tbh

You've also probably got another 2-3 months of Season 3.

For reference, Season 2 released April 17 and Season 3 released August 21. So that's about 4 months duration for Season 2.

They haven't announced a specific date for Season 4 yet, though.

karmic prairie
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are people out of touch with reality thinking EXPANSION will be free?

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😅

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so far after krafton deal we confirmed that we wont get any sigils in s4, despite roadmap/previous talk and also will be getting expansion

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🤑

fading sierra
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Not out of touch just going by what they have been saying themselves for years.

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be kind of scummy to go back on that

main frigate
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Question, do opinions/feedback/suggestions about in-game art (character design, audio design, environment design, cover design, graphic design, font design) belong to UI and visual or other feedback? UI design is belong to this area but another aspects I don't sure.

severe socket
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When it's content-complete, it's a different story.

coral meadow
karmic prairie
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so they already going back on words otherwise he wouldve just said no its free

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🙂

severe socket
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If it's paid, then it's safe to state as a fact that they want to go GW2 route and for people like me it's unsustainable by default.

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So they're losing me as a customer.

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Probably a lot of others as well.

median ore
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So long as they complete the story and polish a bit more before releasing an expansion, I’ll buy it.

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EHG, please let us buy more than 200 EP at a time

severe socket
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There will never be enough polish for the game in the current state, I'm afraid. As long as additions/reworks outpace the debt elimination, that is.

karmic prairie
sharp raft
main frigate
severe socket
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Ask Subnautica 2's and pubg's devs.

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Frankly, there's Raw Fury and their handling of Superfuse as well (the game went belly-up over a year ago along with the dev studio and the publisher did nothing but sit by still selling the game's early-access version collecting money for all this time), but, well, you know.

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||(Watch people like Didiel come by and do some silly stuff like blocking another half of the server with that "script" of his for anti-krapton standpoint, lol)||

main frigate
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🤔 Didiel... This name is quite familiar but I can't remember who is it

severe socket
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It's exactly the guy who crashed out at people with anti-krapton stance and "doomsaying" about it during the first days of krapton acquisition news hitting the server. The same guy who keeps typing out essays in off-topic whenever he's around.

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Bro seems to have blocked like half the server with that magic "script" of his.

main frigate
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Ohhhhh I remember that name. The person I blocked here

simple bison
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Stay respectful please. People are entitled to their opinions and can voice them if they want.

severe socket
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I'm trying, but it's kinda hard being respectful (like, really hard) when you're marginalized like that.

coral meadow
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You're not being marginalized if some random dude on a Discord server blocks you, man

severe socket
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For a valid and VERY worried (still worried, in fact) stance, mind you.

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It's even worse when you're among A LOT of other people with the same view.

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And the worst part? It wouldn't be as bad if Discord just removed the "X blocked messages" notions altogether. If someone is blocked, then it's a done-deal.

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But nope, it keeps popping up regardless. Blocked, ignored, doesn't matter.

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Just remove the notion and it's all good. I don't need to be reminded of someone's existence when they're sent to the shadow realm.

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But that's just me and my insignificant opinion. 🙂

glass pendant
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how's modding been today cyborg

high kettle
karmic prairie
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i personally dont care that much but people understandably upset or on heavy copium

main frigate
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🤷‍♀️ No one can decide the fate of last epoch except EHG themselves.

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👀 I'm interested in how EHG decide how the development of their campaign going. They work hard on hiring people who can help with improving that

regal finch
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...or EHG's owners 🤔

main frigate
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But it's not interesting that I must pay to complete my campaign and I must pay hard indeed. It's why I never into d4.

thin scarab
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It's just the arpg cycle, ppl in here gonna cry and moan if expansion is paid, then they gonna play 3.27 finish that in 2 weeks if its even good, play some random Indie game for a week, get bored, cycle back to poe2 for next league, realize its still not good cause towers prob still gonna exist, look at d4 say -nope- and then buy le expansion anyways if it costs money

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Don't act like u wont

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We're all apart of the arpg cycle

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If you enjoy le to any extent you're gonna buy the expansion (if it costs money)

severe socket
young sage
thin scarab
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I mean i suffer from the same.kotov

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I ended up making a rarity gravebind bot in poe2 because the tink give happy thoughts

main frigate
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🤷‍♀️ Judd said "Krafton will not influence any decisions EHG made" by himself. Let's see

naive thorn
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How does this game run on steamdeck

severe socket
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Pfffft. 😄

thin scarab
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Cin ur pfp is dapper af.

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Look at this dude I hope it runs as good as that suit

naive thorn
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Thanks boss 💜

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The suit is from Macy's it's deceptively fancy

thin scarab
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Let's just be nice and patient

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And see what happens guys and gals

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If the money krafton brings to the tabel elevates the game studio to produce even better quality content then regardless it should be a non issue

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And regardless is krafton is market share owner its still the lively and lovely folks at ehg that contribute 99% of the ideas that bring us enjoyment in the game so (if it does) cost money just buy it anyways because u love the ehg team

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It's really a non issue

naive thorn
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I bought a z1 extreme rog ally awhile ago and it couldn't run poe2 so I sold it. Now steam decks are on sale so I'm being suckered into a handheld again. I doubt poe2 will run on it but I was hoping someone had experience with this game on it. Looking for something to fill my hour long lunches at the office and I do love the game.

coral meadow
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"just buy it anyways" is certainly a take

thin scarab
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In here doomin at lunchtime on a Thursday is a bad look lol

main frigate
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I had wondered how to follow the latest news from Krafton... Then I found no twitter account this company have 😅

thin scarab
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Is Twitter even allowed in Korea lol

glass pendant
naive thorn
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Yeah don't get me started on asus

thin scarab
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Yeah Asus support is no Bueno

naive thorn
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The support scandal was bad enough

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But their devices freeze randomly and horribly

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The wan show dug into why and it's likely it won't be resolved

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Well I guess I will be the one to report on the steam deck playability of this game but it will be a few days until I receive it haha

median ore
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asus make garbage products

radiant elm
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I've played last epoch on steam deck, it works pretty well. My only complaint is inventory management on controller

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The game runs very smooth though

steep river
naive thorn
main frigate
steep river
turbid silo
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How's everyone doing?

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Happy Thursday!

night marten
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its HADES 2 DAY! doing great

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😛

main frigate
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? I haven't read the whole sentence yet... It's disappeared

main frigate
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These parts seldom be mentioned because gameplay always is the top one

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Oh... Wait, I forget font design

honest belfry
south moat
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I completely forgot it's Thursday
Thought we were in Friday already

honest belfry
south moat
toxic surge
lost garden
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When targeting shards with
Rune of Removal you can keep using them until you get the affix you want or reach 0 Forging Potential. You can combine
Rune of Removal with
Glyph of Hope to decrease your chances of running out of Potential. If you still end up running out of Potential before removing the affix you want, you can still use a
Rune of Shattering on the item and there will be fewer overall affixes, increasing your chances of getting at least one shard of the affix you're looking for.

can someone explain what this means? if I want a specific affix from an item, why don't I just use rune of shattering to get all affixes(shards) I want??

main frigate
steep river
simple bison
steep river
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If you really want the affix shards, use Removal. If the item runs out of Forging Potential, you can still Shatter 0 FP item.

main frigate
lost garden
steep river
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Or less than the full tier amount

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So if it's really important to you, such as a +Skill you need, use Removal.

outer hearth
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why is it called an expansion

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prob paid

steep river
lost garden
# steep river Or less than the full tier amount

okay! what if I use shatter on an exaulted sword that has +40 spell dmg (tier6)+ 36% cold dmg (tier2) + 37% frailty on melee hit (tier1) + 19% chance to shock (tier 1)

whats likely to happen?

steep river
lost garden
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so there is still a chace I get all 4 types of shards, its just the amount I get is random?

steep river
lost garden
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this game is not as easy as I thought

steep river
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I believe you always get at least 1 affix shard per item from Shatter

lost garden
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ok..

severe socket
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Hiya Wick, Derrick! How's your day?

steep river
lost garden
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when do I have to destroy an item for shards??

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i am a bit lost

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dont we get shards normally from killing mobs in game?

steep river
steep river
lost garden
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ok so when i run out of a specific shard, I might have to destroy the item

steep river
# lost garden when do I have to destroy an item for shards??

Example, your build uses certain stats and you don't have very many of those shards yet.

For this example let's say it's something a bit rarer like Hybrid Health suffix that gives both flat +Health and % increased Health https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/suffixes/AAwZgbEA

That's available on Gloves, Belt, and Boots. So you could have a filter setup to highlight those items with Hybrid Health. If the item isn't otherwise that great, like say it's Boots that don't have +Movement Speed and you can't add Movement Speed, then you could consider Shattering those Boots. Or again, can use Removal if you really need it.

So then later on when you get a better pair of Boots with a good +Movement Speed but they don't have the Hybrid Health, you'll have Hybrid Health shards available to craft it onto the Boots.

dry thistle
sharp raft
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We got at least one more nail in the coffin - if it misses who knows, could dodge the deat sentence

earnest pelican
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from assumption that has no basis in reality

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gamers try not to be melodramatic challenge: impossible edition

lost garden
strong echo
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Generally just shatter dual affix or skills

vocal sonnet
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what a weird trailer

strong echo
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And if your hungry for shards, and a item drops with 3 affix and one is a skill, use removal on the skill, the rune of discovery to get skills, if you end up with somthibg you don't want, use a glyph of chaos

#

Then shatter that.

Helms come to mind to do that, or relics

dry thistle
earnest pelican
#

i hope that while you're making this principled stand against EHG taking money from an investor you arent spending any money on anything in your real life that has any ties to private equity or shady business practices

#

otherwise that would be real embarrassing for you

outer lily
#

PSA: Don't play Shatter Strike Spellblade if you're prone to epilepsy 💀

earnest pelican
#

god forbid dev companies should have the capital they need to produce a good product

outer lily
#

It's no coincidence that all the doomer posts are from PoE people, the game attracts a very radioactive community for some reason

outer hearth
#

Baseg

oblique plume
oblique plume
#

Spellblade is the chillest eye class

#

Sorcerer tho ☠️

#

Meteor

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Black hole

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Glacier spam

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Big meteor the whole screen

main frigate
glass pendant
nimble topaz
#

I just read about the expansion but the video show old things. What a bad marketing move

wild moth
regal yoke
#

Expansion? As in...paid expansion?

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The games not done yet I thought😅

steep river
thorn bane
steep river
regal yoke
regal yoke
thorn bane
#

Correct but game is fully launched

regal yoke
#

I guess technically? Just still adding base content, I'm definitely not complaining but just hoping this doesn't fuel the whole Krafton bad fire that ruined the reddit for me 😅

#

Paid or not ill be playing it fosho

torn holly
#

man we really need some better way to get bones

#

like I have so many mats, so many hearts, and NO bones

stray vector
#

why is this game having huge stutter issue with mobs and minions since last patch? the game is unplayable like this

#

and when is a fix happening

inner finch
stray vector
#

i have allready fully uninstalled the game and also removed my GPU driver with DDU and made a fresh install of the game as well as the GPU driver

#

it is still happening

#

so what's going on

honest belfry
glacial crow
# inner finch

NOT IF I GIVE A RANDOM GUY FROM INDIA REMOTE ACCESS TO MY COMPUTER

willow sentinel
#

And maybe with a bit of explanation

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So we don't assume it's a scam

mighty stag
#

Anyone interested in trading leeching ? I could use a few levels and would love to return the favor!!

willow sentinel
inner finch
safe canopy
#

hm after the hotfix all the monsters and minions suddenly stutter realy hard

smoky falcon
distant moat
#

Hello people, long time no see...
🙂

safe canopy
#

oh now it updates again, i guess i was mistaken file verfication for the hotfix

safe canopy
smoky falcon
#

All good, 1.3.5.1 released literally 20 minutes ago so super easy for steam to have not grabbed latest

naive thorn
#

What is the most successful lazy build

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Like least amount of inputs from the player

safe canopy
#

Thorn Druid 🙂

naive thorn
#

And it's good?

safe canopy
#

lazy and good

naive thorn
#

Oo thanks

#

Haha this looks great

sick flicker
#

are servers dying rn? I died twice now because it feels like a slide show

main frigate
safe canopy
sick flicker
smoky falcon
main frigate
#

🤔 Interesting, first time to hear this job...

simple bison
#

Cory is a GigaChad

main frigate
#

I'm not sure what coordinate patches mean

naive thorn
#

Lmao

#

I hope you are prepared for impromptu interviews

smoky falcon
#

lol. yeah, sure no problem. I'll just copy/paste from my linkedin. 😛

• Coordinating all of the various departments involved in deployments for the studio both in the planning phases leading up to one and in the triaging emergent issues/hotfixing phase.
• Owning the release pipeline including creating release branches, merging approved changes, extracting patch notes, cooking builds, validating them, and deploying them.
• Run the day to day builds and patch notes process for our preview program.

naive thorn
#

He was, in fact, prepared

main frigate
naive thorn
#

I'm glad!

main frigate
#

Thanks for joining this impromptu interview.

main frigate
median ore
#

Do items in the In Game store get rotated out

willow sentinel
#

Supporter packs yes
Sales yes
The rest of the cosmetics no

median ore
#

That’s good I like that

steep river
green portal
#

Hey, I was hoping to have a quick chat about requiring campaign every playthru. I haven't played since S1, where I got to endgame and had a ton of fun. Now I'm slogging thru campaign and really quite bored (it's not til ~90 things got difficult for me). The campaign itself is great, I've just already played it and want to experience the new and rebalanced end-game.

What would the downsides be of allowing accounts that have beaten the campaign at least once the option to level via something like Arena or "Monolith-lite" ?

grave hornet
#

is the expansion coming to 1.4? :V

#

how much do you guys think $$?

torn holly
#

and its even worse now that theres an entire extra unskippable chapter

chilly ember
green portal
torn holly
chilly ember
#

+1 all attributes is nothing, most ofthe time i don't even bother with chapter 9

torn holly
#

If I missed the free attributes, every death would have me wondering "What if I had those extra attributes?"

chilly ember
#

6hp and 4% increased armor is not the difference between you living and dying

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the only scenario where i can actually see it being worth doing is if you need to hit a breakpoint for something like razorfall or red ring, but that's rarely ever the case anyways

torn holly
#

different strokes, i prefer having the stats

chilly ember
torn holly
chilly ember
torn holly
#

show me a video of you completing the campaign by yourself and reaching level 80 in 90m

chilly ember
#

i don't have another alt to level right now, but there are plenty of videos of it out there. bina has a video where he hits empowered in like 1:15 on an alt while stopping to explain things and read chat.

torn holly
#

aka you cant

chilly ember
#

no, i'm just not going to record and upload an hour and a half long video to prove that i'm not as slow as you.

torn holly
#

whatever you say friendo

green portal
short vessel
#

So the main thing for the attributes IMO is that +2 all attributes is a not insignificant number for red ring dr requirements

chilly ember
short vessel
#

So until you're looking to use red ring i'd consider everything past getting item faction (assuming solo play) pretty inconsequential

willow sentinel
green portal
torn holly
#

if you want to build a full set of alt gear with correct slams, sure, whatever, but the entire point of the conversation is that the campaign is boring and should be skippable.

chilly ember
short vessel
#

Fair

willow sentinel
#

Honestly I am glad it's like this.
And for alts it's really easy now with dungeons skips

torn holly
#

Why? How is it better than just being able to skip it?

willow sentinel
#

Doing the campaign once on season start is great imo
Going through the lvling process again with no gear is a fun experience

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I grind monos during the rest of the season

torn holly
#

Im not talking about once when the season starts, im talking about subsequent characters.

chilly ember
willow sentinel
#

But for the rest you got dungeon skips and alt gear....

torn holly
#

you have dungeon skips for a good chunk of the game, but not all of it, and not ch9 and 10

#

like...just make waypoints account based unlocks, ez, done

willow sentinel
#

Idk, I enjoy playing the game
I actually really like act 10

willow sentinel
green portal
willow sentinel
#

Whole skip, meh

willow sentinel
chilly ember
ruby flume
#

man the mob density in act 10 was actually crazy😂

torn holly
chilly ember
#

i know you're not.

green portal
chilly ember
#

my point is that there is obviously a point where you would consider something to be skipping too much of a character's progression.

willow sentinel
#

Or searching in there

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Been asked a few times

chilly ember
#

vlad and i (and the devs) clearly draw that line in a different place than you do.

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and that's fine, but i think it's intentionally obtuse to say there would be "zero downside" for anyone.

torn holly
#

except that there actually is not a downside and you cannot think of one

green portal
chilly ember
#

the downside is that you're cutting out too much of the character progression, in my view.

torn holly
#

How?

#

especially if this supposedly critical character progression can be done in 90 minutes lmao

willow sentinel
#

I played a bunch of D3 back in the days, and lvling in adventure mode felt nice. Because the campaign was 5 days long and awful.

Now in LE, I enjoy the campaign (or at least the short bit of it I am actually doing). It breaks the routine of Monos

chilly ember
#

because i view levels 1-50 to be equally important to progressing your character as levels 50-100.

torn holly
#

And levels 1-50 cannot be done in monos...why?

#

Have fun on the hill my guy 🙂

chilly ember
#

i suppose they could, i just don't see the material benefit of doing levels 1-50 in monos as opposed to the campaign.

#

i think the outcome of that would be functionally identical, to be honest.

willow sentinel
#

Best quote I could find in a short time

green portal
#

Hmm that's an interesting quote, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. It sounds like the variety is referring to the addition of different dungeons with different mechanics so you can build a char meant to clear a certain path.

#

Arena on the other hand I think it just sounds like a simple tuning issue, expecting chars to die and rewarding those who can survive the longest. Levelling via Arena for a skilled player I think taking 2-4 hours would feel pretty good.

short vessel
#

There is no saving that sorta game mode

chilly ember
#

you won't get passives or idols from it, but you can powerlevel with arena. and i find it gets super boring and repetitive real fast

green portal
short vessel
#

flashbacks to crucible farming in GD

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Well, sucks to do for extended periods of time

inner finch
#

Arenas in ARPGs should just adopt the Arena Horde games way of doing things by letting you infuse your character with a roguelite system as you become stronger and events happen around you, but that requires work and innovation. womp womp

green portal
chilly ember
#

obviously i'm not you, but if repetitiveness is your issue then i think you would likely find arena to be far worse than campaign if leveling that way was more properly supported.

green portal
#

I'd just like to level with an experience similar to end-game, focused on difficult monster killing. Not running, pathing, skipping monsters, etc.

short vessel
#

You know you can just... kill the monsters

chilly ember
waxen heron
#

anybody having crazy latency issues?

short vessel
#

Fundamentally your problem is about engagement right? You want to play your leveling like you play your endgame

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Because that's what you find engaging

#

So just... do that, play with the same style you do in endgame

green portal
short vessel
#

Why does it matter? The point of a game is to be engaged while you aim for your goals

chilly ember
#

or maybe some other form of self-imposed challenge?

green portal
#

My goal is to have difficulty fighting monsters and earning gear and XP in order to get stronger

#

Campaign isn't difficult, it's just a time-tax

short vessel
#

Fair

#

Idk, i don't consider monos to be that "difficult" either

#

Like harbs, orobyss, abberoth sure

green portal
#

In S1 it was around level 90 where I was starting to have some really fun fights

#

before that, it was pretty mellow

chilly ember
short vessel
#

They count in terms of like

#

They have mechanics to meaningfully play arouns

chilly ember
#

i also don't think LE is a particularly challenging game in general tbqh

green portal
short vessel
#

I think "hard" is just not the right word here

#

Rather than

chilly ember
short vessel
#

Like, actually finding things difficult

#

It's more just engagement

green portal
# chilly ember how does the endgame invalidate it?

The campaign is a totally different design than the monoliths. In campaign you are searching for the right path as your primary goal, in Monoliths it is your characters build vs the monsters you're fighting.

#

All ARPGs are like this, back in my PoE days I learned to find the best mobile builds and skip thru tons of monsters in order to get to mapping

#

I just see a long-term disconnect between the early era of Campaign-driven ARPGs with modern Season-driven ARPGs. To me, they are like oil and water.

chilly ember
#

i understand what you mean but i don't really see it that way. to me, there is always a destination regardless of whether i'm in campaign or in monoliths. but i also tend to create characters with a specific end goal in mind, then stop playing that character once i've reached that goal.

#

i view monoliths as still searching for a "path" but instead of the path being the end of the campaign, it's maybe something like reaching a specific amount of corruption, defeating uber aberroth, finding a specific gear upgrade, etc.

green portal
#

Yeah that makes sense. I just think gaming culture has changed rapidly, so many of the old designs that games pull from are from an era of entirely different gamers. I personally don't have much gaming time, so when I am able to game I want to be able to have fun rightaway. Games like Hades, Sephiria, Shinobi Showdown have shown flex progression that reacts to the players skill.

#

LE has a lot of amazing QoL that were basically the biggest reason I gave it a try. I can very much see an alternate to campaign that allows players like me to enjoy myself from minute 1.

calm jay
#

I just think the problem with the campaign is that it itself isn't really great. Playing it through once is nice, but doing it on subsequent runs just feels a little weak. Admittedly I haven't tried the dungeons, but repeat playthroughs of it make me think the quest system is kind of an outdated carry-over from games that preceded LE.

The monolith's design idea might actually feel better? Not sure about that.

pearl orbit
#

that's the only example i can think of

#

every other arena in every other arpg hasn't been great

pastel summit
#

Wait, the minion boogie wasn't intneded?

torpid jacinth
#

anyone else having issues with awful rubberbanding right now?

grim remnant
#

does Acid Flask or Shuriken proc'ed by Shift benefit from the skill tree and do i need to have it on my action bar?

torpid jacinth
#

i can barely even play wtf

south moat
loud fable
# green portal Yeah that makes sense. I just think gaming culture has changed rapidly, so many ...

You have no idea how right you are. I'm gonna skip the cringe parts, but there was a certain gaming company who needed massive change, and what I discovered upon "deep inspection", is that it's exactly this that's the main issue. And then I found out how prevalent this is.

Their entire success is built around the IP, and nothing else. When you look at their actions on a year-by-year basis, what they're outputting is largely the same or doesn't stick. Mostly incapable of replicating even 5% of the original idea's success.

So, so many issues tied to just not letting go of idiotic approaches, especially in - as you say - a massively changed landscape.

#

It's why am SO HAPPY EHG made it, and am SO excited for the next 5-10 years. As producing games has become easier and cheaper, and it's only gonna get better, we're gonna see even more AAA studios bleed. Good. Competition is vital. It can't be overstated.

loud fable
# green portal LE has a lot of amazing QoL that were basically the biggest reason I gave it a t...

Same here, but you know what makes this have a really bad taste? Man, most of these QoL things weren't even a big ask. Did the PoE people need to suffer through 12+ years of no proper trade systems? Very bad respeccing limitations? All that currency stuff? And all the other QoL they shipped in the past <2 years, which was unheard of before.

Tbh, that's unforgiving, but it's what monopolies do - the devs think they're the hottest, and think you're DYING to be disrespected inside their game 🤷‍♀️

grim remnant
#

watching my first rogue melt emperors remains in about 10sec is very much making me like the class :0

old copper
#

EHG can you please do a rerun of the last Twitch Drops?

willow sentinel
#

Good morning travelers

main frigate
#

Afternoon. Just done a game with Wolcen studio :)

willow sentinel
#

Good luck!

#

I hope their second game works better than the first one

#

It had some good ideas, but it would make LE look like a bug free game

main frigate
#

Oh I never play any games from them. I just know they're hiring

willow sentinel
#

Their first game was called Wolcen

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It was a diablo like, hack and slash, arpg (however you want to call it)

simple bison
#

Wolcen FrightenedGroleWrongDirection

willow sentinel
#

Spent a few hours there

#

But it never really recovered from bad launch

south moat
#

Gm

willow sentinel
#

Finally drinking my coffee

#

Day can start

simple bison
#

It wasn't even bad content wise, it was just the bugs

willow sentinel
#

Yeah

#

Iirc there was an update like a month or 2 after launch
"hey so, 90% of the passive wasn't doing anything so we fixed that"

#

👀😎

pearl orbit
#

i remember spinning blades being the only viable build to push endgame for a month. then the devs nerfed it, so there were 0 good builds

willow sentinel
#

There was the bomb/blood shard thingy

main frigate
#

🤔 That's why they developing a new loot-based ARPG, Gods, death & reaper?

simple bison
#

Wait that's crazy 💀

south moat
main frigate
#

🤭 2 times, mod works hard

glass pendant
#

Oh lawd, wolcen

south moat
glass pendant
#

the arpg at home:

willow sentinel
#

It had one of my favourite skills
The kratos chain thingy

main frigate
#

heavybreathing
So is it the right time to try wolcen or just wait their new loot-based ARPG is cooked?

torpid flower
#

I would avoid Wolcen at all costs tbh

#

Unless it's a deep sale it's not really worth a look, their patches "helped" but didn't really fix its core issues

south moat
main frigate
#

(oh it's cheaper than le)

#

It can up to 90% sales 🤔

glass pendant
#

I remember it had cool hideout ideas

#

Or city building or whatever it was

south moat
#

Yeah
It had some good ideas

wicked egret
#

Is there a way to have 2+ LP on WorldSplitters? Just pray to a turtle/nemesis?

glass pendant
#

yeah it's all a gamba

#

And corruption makes 2lp like 10% more common, a little less than that

#

(at 1k that is)

#

Just beat the numbers with a large sample basically

wicked egret
#

K then, even 2lp'd make a difference compared to 1, since erasing strike is a powerful skill

wicked egret
#

I noticed that most VKs use Titan Heart as armour, can I use NullPoint instead if I overcap res?

proper fog
#

sure but why?

wicked egret
#

Hmm, seems like TH is better to VKs

glass pendant
#

it's generally far stronger than anything else for 2h builds

median perch
#

Can find 3lp with Titan Heart but with Null Portent just a dream heavybreathing

short vessel
willow sentinel
#

Unless you are a Paladin

ember sage
#

well, ehg had should only say its coming to ps5 and nothing about an expansion or anything else...would not have the ask-the-dev channel be on fire and full of speculations hrhr...was funny to read anyways ^^

#

how one word can make such big waves MadMike

azure laurel
#

random lore question: We know the sentinel is from somewhere in Rayeh's territory, the rogue is from Maj'elka, and the primalist from somewhere in heoborea. Do we have canon answers for where the mage and acolyte are from? I would guess Thetima/Liath's general area for the mage and Welryn for the acolyte but I'm not 100% sure.

stray vector
#

oh yeah, welryn! 😅

willow sentinel
#

I know the Acolyte used to be the Mage student

glass pendant
#

"No, I said frost claw, not bring the dead back to life!"

fathom umbra
#

Killed Ubberoth as EQ Bear POG

#

got a shattered worlds

#

was a VERY MUCH glass canon build

eternal creek
fathom umbra
willow sentinel
fathom umbra
#

My buddy and I were trying to duo him last night, and we got really close, but because we were running around with chickens with out heads, we were dying alot.

#

We had like two or three solid attempts. I think the lack of extra 70% scaling helped me get it down, solo

carmine smelt
fathom umbra
#

Time to go nemesis the shattered worlds, haha, wish me luck

#

damn, VR slam

lyric cargo
#

It's always void resistance lol

heady grove
#

or minion health

eternal creek
# fathom umbra heh?

Okay, let me introduce myself if you might be interested in my service actually, I'm a digital artist and an Illustrator I can create characters designs, weapons, props, garment, ornament, world Design, custom Maps and more.

south moat
#

Ah yea, totally interested.

honest belfry
eternal creek
#

ok

south moat
#

How's it going today, Wick?

eternal creek
honest belfry
eternal creek
south moat
south moat
#

I can very easily create my own art if I want to

median perch
#

@honest belfry Is there any chance to get the Golden Guppy? I bought the Ultimate Edition as soon as I saw the game, but I might have been a few months late to get it

honest belfry
#

You can send a DM to @grand geyser if you'd prefer

glass pendant
#

send nub bad LE guides

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for falconer in particular

south moat
#

I'll have you know I've played falconer before

glass pendant
#

Retreat and regroup, stealth mission failed

#

time for a new plan

south moat
#

But that was when falconer was released
Can't actually remember what lvl I even got with it

glass pendant
#

was barely the same class back then

#

smoke bomb fiesta

south moat
#

Oh I didn't use the smoke bombs

honest belfry
#

No, Guppy was a preorder bonus before official launch. Sorry.

median perch
honest belfry
glass pendant
#

Hmmm

#

Kebab for dinner

short vessel
#

man, i love kebab and there's so many kebab places around me

#

but i can't trust it to be gluten free D:

glass pendant
#

helps a lot knowing local producers

#

ofc not always possible

south moat
#

I could go for some kebab
But I also already have food ready so no point

sly turret
#

Is there a point doing lightless t3 when farming for boots? Or is t2 the same droprate?

#

oh nvm yes

ember relic
#

anyone know how to get past "Echo already in progress"? I'm trying to do a quest echo

simple bison
simple bison
#

So go to end of time town or something

#

And then come back

ember relic
#

i did end of time and then went back to same error 🙁

#

guess i'll re-log

simple bison
#

If you do it fast enough it won't have time to close down the instance and you can reconnect to the same one. But that's fairly rare in my experience

vocal wedge
#

how hard is to get at least 1 red ring?

willow sentinel
simple bison
#

This question begs a subjective answer honestly

#

The answer can be anywhere from easy to really hard. Some people get them in the first couple days or so pretty consistently of a season while others don't get one for a long time

lost garden
#

guys I cant find last enemy in mono,.. it shows 35/36. I have searched every corner of the map... is this bugged

south moat
#

You don't need to kill everything

lost garden
#

I have ocd but ok I will just leave it tom

#

I am currently lvl 70 keep doing mono for lvling but what should I do now?

south moat
#

Sometimes it happens that there's just not enough monsters for some reason

What lvl mono are you doing?

lost garden
#

the 1st one 52 i think

#

sorry 58

south moat
#

You should do the 3 quests in that and head to the next one

inner finch
#

Yeah at that difficulty XP should be crawling, start climbing

lost garden
#

ohhh so I am trying to clear everything in "fall of the outcasts" before moving on

south moat
#

You can't really clear everything there

#

It spreads and spreads and spreads

lost garden
#

dang

inner finch
#

clearing a monolith at these levels is like digging a mountain with a spoon

strong echo
inner finch
#

Ideally, you'd want to unlock further monoliths until completing a top one and unlocking a higher level possibility, which we call corrupted monoliths

lost garden
lost garden
#

lol

#

I didnt know there is another mono

inner finch
#

Monolith progression is mostly tied to how powerful your character is

#

But doing 58 at level 70 is definitely not ideal

lost garden
#

so what is this exactly like clearing all the maps

inner finch
#

Props on the consistancy there

lost garden
#

and I found the maps are kinda similar?

#

just killing one or two mobs and can finish the map

#

I did get a bunch of gears I have put them all in the stash

#

also a lot of runes and glyphs

inner finch
#

I don't quite know where to start, since there's quite a bit to unpack here

#

Do you craft on your gear?

strong echo
#

Every timeline has 3 quests once you get enough stability. Do the very first timeline and take the blessing for experience, unless there is somthing els you want for some reason

lost garden
#

not yet.. I think the dps is kinda okayish with what I am doing

#

also I found carrying one shield is doing more dps

#

so I am carrying one shield only on my paladin

#

its weird but carrying one shield only on offhand can actually make my judgement skill stronger and having bigger area

#

this is strange

inner finch
#

So, at level 70, I think that halting any mindless monolith 58 farming here and learning about crafing your gear really matters

lost garden
#

okay!

inner finch
#

Its the key to why many of us can farm corruption 100+ by the time we're in our 70s

#

Last Epoch doesnt just suggest you should craft on gear, its a very core part of progression

lost garden
#

so, I can just clear higher lvl mono and craft gears to do a corrupted mono ?

#

so basically make mono harder and harder? and craft a better gear?

inner finch
#

improving gear and climbing monolith is in essence what we do

strong echo
#

You guys should check out the in game guide, it has tones of info. I forget what hot key.
Shift-g possibly

lost garden
#

ok! I will slowly push myself in mono then

#

while lvling

#

its slow but I can just clear one or two maps when I get bored

#

judgement is super powerful

#

can melt everything

inner finch
#

I would hope that by the time you're 70 it does that on a 58 monolith

#

but its destined for a bit more

lost garden
#

but I still dont know why carrying one shield only can make my dps stronger... if I put on one sword (with spell dmg) and shield, the tooltips shows less dps

strong echo
#

That's why you make your own builds and not a super maximized build someone els made

inner finch
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I would recommend reading the tooltips on the passives

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The shield isnt there just to help with defense

lost garden
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yes I have that passive where saying shield makes more dmg

calm jay
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Huh... finger beams I guess.

lost garden
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but anyway it does tons of dmg with a shield.. so guess its fine without a weapon for now

torn holly
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Why does mage have so many "when hit" idols?

simple bison
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From stream

night marten
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BD love!

short locust
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What's the name of the streaming channel btw?

night marten
rancid basaltBOT
night marten
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ey updated roadmap is coming soon!

river kelp
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never had this issue before, but getting massive rubberbanding right now

inner finch
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We're getting a third roadmap? cool

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I hope this one lasts

night marten
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more BD passive stuff

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night marten
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like at some point all roadmaps get finished

inner finch
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Practically finished where is my transmogs, dyes, skill sigils and other things

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but alas, a third one might be the one where we can expect things at the edge of it to happen

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This to me in a weird way is a signal that old EHG is still around

night marten
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all three of the new/updated nodes

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night marten
inner finch
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Roadmap v3.0 will prevail

night marten
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tho i do get the sentiment of 'finish this before you start on another one'. but having something with the content thats coming is also important

torn holly
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jeez i just want them to let me add roll ranges to loot filter

median ore
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Mike you kept ignroing us on the stream

low moon
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Will new expansions require paying... It's the age old politician Yes or No question. Yet the No, is always talked about elusive.

If EHG won't have paid expansions, they should outright say it to their community now, as the growing concern is damaging to the "word-of-mouth" advertisement.

Like I can't seriously recommend the game to some of my friends, with blanks for the future.

median ore
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We asked about 10 times. Just be honest about it. If its paid, its paid. Itf its not, its not./

low moon
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This is what is most concerning, the game is already mid in the genre, and well... Bugs and lack of content... Doesn't invite optimism

median ore
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Ill buy it regardless but transparency is key. So long as story is complete before.

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If story isnt complete before = NO BUY

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I love the game tbh but you cannot release an expansion before finishing the base game.

torn holly
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Them not saying it means its gonna be paid lmao

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just waiting on legal to approve the verbage

median ore
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I buy all the supporter packs and store content, feels like a slap in the face not giving any details.

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Paid game, supporter packs and cosmetic shop + (paid?) expansions

torn holly
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my main issue is that this game barely feels like its in 1.0 state, much less in an expansion state

low moon
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It's the classic greed = grave scenario. Weird cuz I genuinly love the project of LE. But yeah, I mean... You're gonna charge for xpacs, you lost me.

median ore
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Yeah honestly it is my fave ARPG as someone who doesnt have the most time but it is incomplete and noone can deny this no matter how much of a die hard you are.

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It has the potnetial to be the best in the genre but silence is super worrying.

low moon
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I don't even care about the campaign, the endgame is incredibly boring and bland... You did 1 mono at lvl 60, you did them all. There's no variance

median ore
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Bugs, incomplete story, lacking engame for most people

torn holly
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i actually really like the mono/woven echo system

median ore
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Honestly I like the story although it isnt the most engaging but it needs finishing before an expansion. Im a huge supporter of the devs but cmon.

low moon
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that's prob cuz u havent done enough of it

torn holly
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bro ive done a LOT of it

low moon
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then what is there to enjoy

median ore
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It is true

low moon
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more health/damage modifiers in corruption

torn holly
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the game? it sounds like you just dont like the game lol

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i like blasting through echoes and farming, its an arpg

low moon
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Ok, explain to me the difference between 300c and 3000c mono, and you will know why it's bland and boring

median ore
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So do I but it needs finishing before an expansion lets be honest

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I love the game

torn holly
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its about pushing your build/character further, what are you suggesting it should be?

low moon
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variance

torn holly
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such as...?

median ore
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@low moon is correct. It is fun to an extent.

low moon
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different hurdles that challenge your build, defenses, offense

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not just the most boring mechanic in all of gaming - health/damage increase

median ore
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We all give feedback because we love the game

low moon
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wouldnt be here, if I didint

median ore
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Exactly

low moon
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i love the passives, skill passives, uniques and the way they interact with skills

torn holly
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and what hurdles would those be in order to accomplish those goals, if not increasing damage received and required dps?

low moon
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it feels like in LE builder you could spend weeks

median ore
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But people either hate or hardcore defend

low moon
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but like 30% of the shit just bugged and doesnt work, and end game is a bland hp increase

median ore
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Im more of a casual but you need to listen to the hardcore fans in all honesty because they the ones who see the flaws in the systems

torn holly
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like even pushing corruption up doesnt make mobs feel like sponges, if anything it just makes you more likely to get one tapped

low moon
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idk, it's difficult to explain to diablo players, the potential ofARPGs

torn holly
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it sounds like you dont know and just want to complain

median ore
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I think we all want to see the game improve because it has the potential to be the best ARPG in the market so yeah

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DIablo ha sbeen dead for years

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Its not complaints its feedback

torn holly
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its not feedback if theres nothing actionable in the comments

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just saying you want "variance" and having no idea what that means is not feedback

median ore
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He literally said the problems in his messages

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Artificial increases

torn holly
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so how would that be fixed?

median ore
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I suppose more variation in mechanics that you learn. Looks im not hating I love this game man and I just want to see it get better.

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Its my fav ARPG

torn holly
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Im not hating either, im just saying that "X feels bad" is a complaint, and "X feels bad, what about adding Y instead?" is feedback

median ore
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I mean ask Tea tbh he/she the one saying this

torn holly
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I was!

median ore
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I get it!

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Good to see people enjoying it rather than hating.

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Past months have been Krafton this, Krafton that.

low moon
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fixed with more variance in the end game, the difficult part of fixing endgame is the fact that corruption actively works against it. It needs to be scrapped, nothing about corruption pushing is fun. It needs an endgame system with progression towards a finite softcap, after which it could be enhanced by outside factors

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Pretty much take a simple T16 map in PoE. It's bland, simple and easy. But the juicing opportinities are so high, a T16 map could the more difficult than UBER bosses

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there is no juice opportunity in LE

severe socket
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Jackie, it's not like we hate the game per se. We just don't understand how is it possible for the otherwise awesome game to be this horribly mismanaged.

low moon
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that's the problem, as I said 300c and 3000c plays the same, introduce a soft ceiling, and then later on as you expand provide fun and challenging selectable content to juice up the grind

severe socket
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Krafton is in the spotlight because a lot of us saw the pattern of their behavior towards games under its management and are understandably scared for LE's future.

torn holly
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are you talking about something more like the difficulty increases in Hades where you add boosts to enemies in specific ways

low moon
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yes

torn holly
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that could be cool

low moon
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something different than just health/damage

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all corruption is is health/damage

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that's why its so boring to push it

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we crave more, that's my biggest concern

chilly ember
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i think the fact that corruption is so granular doesn’t help tbh

median ore
chilly ember
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like shades increase corruption by 6-58? and like

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are you really gonna tell me you’re even able to perceive the difference in enemy health and damage between 435 corruption and 465 corruption?

median ore
chilly ember
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corruption numbers should honestly be cut by a factor of 10 at least, as a start

low moon
severe socket
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Thing is, EHG has very little say in anything as long as krafton has the final word.

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Noticed how much their activity dropped ever since the acquisition happened?

simple bison
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Has it?

severe socket
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To me at least, yes.

simple bison
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Where has it dropped do you feel?

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Feels like they've been making all the same blog posts and have been hosting all the game streams and stuff

severe socket
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On the forums at least in two most recent "hot topics" like the acquisition itself and the expansion one.

median ore
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I dont think it has dropped tbh I think it is about the same. They need to improve their marketing but tbh the PS announcement was obviously a rush job so I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

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They need to give details on the expansion, it was rushed for sony state of play.

severe socket
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I really want to be optimistic, but what Jackie said pretty much.

low moon
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they arent discussing Krafton and fears of paid dlcs... that's why people think EHG is less active with the community, cause those are the overarching questions atm

median ore
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Everyone knows what Sony is like.

severe socket
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Oh, speaking of Sony, btw. Remember how it went with Helldivers 2?

median ore
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Yep I dont buy Sony product anymore. Gave up before PS4 even released.

stone badge
median ore
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They wont force a PSN account, it makes no sense.

simple bison
severe socket
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🤷‍♂️

median ore
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XBOX will come 1 year later. It will be 1 year exlusivity deal paid by Sony.

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As always

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Why would Krafton not release on all platforms? Bexause they were paid for a period.

severe socket
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And what about crossplay? Will PC and PS players be able to coop properly?

torn holly
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theyre gonna have a lot of controller based UI fixes to do if they want to push consoles lol

median ore
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If Sony dont mess it up, yes.

torn holly
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hell you still cant even shift right click items from stash to turtle

median ore
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EHG forums use Steam to link. They will ofer PSN link too most likely but they will be seperate. They arent owned by Sony.

simple bison
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Does Xbox have something similar to state of play?

median ore
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Yes

inner finch
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The xbox gaming show where us PC gamers can see everything we won't have to buy a console to play

median ore
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When xbox release their new console/handheld you will be able to buy LE PC version to play on it

inner finch
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You can already play LE on any Windows supporting handheld anyway

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you can do that with the current Ally

median ore
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Yeah true

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I played it on my windows handheld

inner finch
#

im not sure how well LE works on Linux atm, maybe a Linux user here can testify

median ore
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LEworks fine on Linux

strong echo
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Gaming would be better off if game design was not centered around controller layouts for EVERY game. L le devs managed to find a sweet spot.
But d4 game design around 4 buttons because of controller is what doomed them.
Give me my d2 necromancer ans 12 skills anyday

median ore
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Some stuttering

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I have played LE on Mint and Debian

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But I stutter some on Windows too

errant verge
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Missed the livestream at the gym today, how was it

median ore
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I have played online, offline and true offline on Linux through Proton/Wine

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Probably better than the Linux native port that existed a while back

river kelp
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the news post said reverted a change causing stuttering. Now i'm getting stuttering and not before. Did they revert whatever changed they had made and it caused stuttering? Wondering if myabe I should just do a fresh install

median ore
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Mines been okay

wicked egret
#

Red Rings are difficult to get just 1LP? I egged several of them but all have useless legendary affixes..... 🙁

long viper
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Has EHG mentioned anything on the stream tonight about if the expac is paid or not?

median perch
#

Dancing Strikes still trash?

chilly ember
torn monolith
# 
"John 3:16"
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

"Ephesians 2:8-9"
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast."

"1 Corinthians 15:1-4"
"Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures"
smoky pier
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Which timeline is this lore from brother?

slender bramble
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The worst one for sure

final roost
#

Why is there religious non-sense posted in my disconnect from reality discord?

karmic prairie
worldly moth
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I put way too many hours in this game for it to keep screwing over my gears

slender ridge
rancid pulsar
willow sentinel
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Good morning travelers

median ore
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👋

sly turret
#

Yo. How do I equal corr level on alts as I have on main?

simple bison
sly turret
simple bison
untold heath
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sigh... I hope they fix the inactivity kick bug soon, this is so annoying getting kicked in the middle of forging stuff

sly turret
#

When converting fireball into lightning, every new echo it loses 3 skillpoints because I am assuming the tag on it changes from fire/lightning and depends on your gear, it goes silly mode

sly turret
#

Does Rune of t8 depend on whether t7 roll is good/bad, or does it randomly roll t8?

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It seems that it does depend on the t7 roll

glass pendant
main frigate
#

First time to see HR online to sleep here (A official HR account stay in a game community is interesting and fresh)

willow sentinel
ionic vale
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when season 4

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december 20?

ionic vale
south moat
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I don't think they'll release something right before christmas

ionic vale
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why

south moat
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Because of holidays..?

ionic vale
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they did it during easter

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so

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try again bro

south moat
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Ah yes, it's the same having 2 weeks of holidays and just a day or two.

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100% same

ionic vale
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holiday = holiday

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idk wot problem is

south moat
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Aight I guess I'm not going to bother explaining it to you
because it seems like you don't even want to try and understand

main frigate
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I have 0% concept for easter because it's too far away from me

main frigate
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Speculations are no sense because we need the confirmation from the official at last

round lake
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Who want some pineapple spaghetti 🍝

dry thistle
#

do we know if theyre charging for the thing they said theyd never charge for yet

night marten
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there has been no information outside of what we were already given

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and by the sounds of it, we arent going to get any soon

fallen dove
zealous nimbus
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because if something would go wrong, and it alwyas does, the team wouldnt be there to fix it or do you want them to stay on alert during holiday?

fallen dove
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good game devs do stay alert even on holidays tho??

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tarkov literally does a huge patch every christmas, can run a skeleton crew to fix bugs fam, doesnt need the whole dev team.

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updates already out

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and its the best time to get sales, good activty numbers etc. there's a reason companies do it lol

night marten
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and a big difference between tarkov's game code and LE's game code. massively different games there

slender bramble
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Depends entirely on company culture. Most modern societies have this neat thing known as the "right to disconnect"

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I suppose this might be a difficult one to grasp for gaming addicts for who might see this right as a wrong

south moat
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I'm so glad I've never had to work over christmas / new years break
Though I have had the chance to do it

sullen dew
#

so close to finily get the game and shit happen

willow sentinel
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What a shame

outer lily
strong echo
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I've worked over christmas Hollidays for the last 5 years. Oil refineries don't stop for holidays lol

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I got this christmas off, I think

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Somebody has to keep the lights on

outer lily
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I'm sure there is a difference in priority when it comes to keeping the infrastructure alive vs releasing a patch for a video game

strong echo
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Haha, more than likley

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I volunteer for them, I get 2 weeks off every 2 weeks anyway. Unless there is a shutdown, where I'm working for 3 months straight or something

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I think Mt record was 75 days in work camp in a row

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My

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Before covid, as I recall

outer lily
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At least they pay well, or so I heard

strong echo
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Yea, it's allright

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Got my first red ring last night, a nemesis gave it to me, gave me t5 minion health though lol

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So do I imprint that somehow to get a 1lp? Or what?

south moat
dusty peak
#

Returning to LE after a LONG break. Is it easy to re-spec later; for now I just want to play, make an intuitive build on the fly, rather than spending a lot of time designing a build; and then respec later.

strong echo
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Naw. It's pretty cheap to repec

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10k ish?

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Or you can repec 1 point at a time as well

dusty peak
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If I remember correctly its cheap to respec passives. Skill specialistions can be changed but need to be re-learnt; and when I last played you couldn't change your sub-class but I think I read you can even change that now. Sounds right?

strong echo
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Yup, you can change mastery

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Yea, skills will have to level up, but does not take long at all

tender marsh
#

5293 HP, 1393 HP regen, 66% armor mitigation, 121% movement speed, 82% endurance, 2189 endurance threshold, 100% crit avoidance. Polar Bear Druid. Not too shabby defensive wise

outer lily
willow sentinel
inner finch
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There... wasn't any patch drop... right?

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Maybe a figment of my imagination

timber remnant
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New to the game and streaming it if anyone wants to stop in and help a brotha out. its Av3rag3jo on twitch.

tender marsh
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as that's my benchmark for "playable" builds