installation-archived

[warped nimbus]

ok

[humble mirage]

Well, two, but pasted as one

[warped nimbus]

okok

i need to write the &

its going

0%

i think that its very slow

still 0%

ok now 44

[humble mirage]

You don't need to tell us any more until it completes 😉

We don't need step by step updates, honest

[warped nimbus]

it says: 11: resource temporarily not avabile

[humble mirage]

What's the entire message?

[warped nimbus]

Err:4 https://mirrors.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/debian-security bullseye-security InRelease
Could not wait for server fd - select (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)

[humble mirage]

[warped nimbus]

?

[humble mirage]

You've got a problem with your network/connectivity to that mirror

Are you in China?

[warped nimbus]

italy

[humble mirage]

Then WTF are you using a mirror in China?

[warped nimbus]

china?????

[humble mirage]

.cn

[warped nimbus]

idk ahah

[humble mirage]

What crackpot OS install did you perform

This keeps on getting worse and worse...

[warped nimbus]

dusun support sent it to me, they are Chinese

[humble mirage]

Time to update your mirrors

[warped nimbus]

how

[humble mirage]

https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+change+mirror

[warped nimbus]

the first?

[humble mirage]

The first what?

[warped nimbus]

the first link?

[humble mirage]

Damned if I know

[warped nimbus]

?

[humble mirage]

You really need to move to using HAOS on supported hardware

[warped nimbus]

yes i need home assistant

[humble mirage]

Home Assistant OS is what you need, and you have Supervised

You don't have the skills needed for that

[warped nimbus]

and how can I have only home assistant without supervisor?

[humble mirage]

Buy a Green or a Pi - https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/

Or even a second hand PC

[warped nimbus]

what

i have the dusun bro

[humble mirage]

And you don't have the skills to manage it

[warped nimbus]

i cant install home assitant withount supervisor?

[humble mirage]

Sure you can

But you need to know how to manage Linux

[warped nimbus]

ok

[humble mirage]

Or you need to be able to run a virtual machine on another computer that's always on

[warped nimbus]

ok

thank you

bye

[warped nimbus]

can you send me the link for home assistant os, so i change home assistant supervisor to home assistant os?

[tender wren]

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/generic-x86-64
https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases/tag/12.4

[warped nimbus]

thanx

[warped nimbus]

but i have no hdmi for the pc that i use for ha

i need to download it with android tool

[tender wren]

Android tool?

[warped nimbus]

nothing

because i have a dusun dsgw-210 and it doesent have a hdmi/display port

[tender wren]

I don't think that device is supported by HAOS

[warped nimbus]

i bought it with preinstalled haos, but i reinstalled it

[tender wren]

You would likely have to ask the manifacturer how they did that.

[warped nimbus]

ok

[humble mirage]

What you "re"-installed though wasn't HAOS

[fallen imp]

If youre able to get a refund for your desun and get a raspberry pi then do it. Youre gonna have a much more enjoyable experience with a raspberry pi.

[zealous hawk]

I'm gonna move HAOS from VM in Vmware in Windows to bare metal HAOS on the same Intel NUC. I have a Sonoff usb thingie for Zigbee and a UZB usb thingie for Z-Wave. Should backup to Google with the addon and restore after HAOS installation go smooth or do I need to do anything else first? Should the USB devices simply work without changing configs? I think I recall having to manually set stuff like port: /dev/ttyUSB0 or something. Will that be different?

[humble mirage]

Hopefully you used the /dev/serial/by-id/ paths, those don't change

/dev/ttyUSB0 can change

Otherwise, yeah, backup and restore

[zealous hawk]

Maybe I should find the /dev/serial/by-id/ and change now before moving it then

Could I just change that ttyUSB0 to this I found in system - hardware ? /dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_dagasgasgasgasdasgasgasgags7-if00-port0

I'll try 😛

Zigbee buttons still work. Guess that worked. 🙂

[idle pelican]

Hi , does anyone have experience with virtualbox and HA ? I'm having issue with some USB that are disconnecting once in a while (more or less one time a day

this is doing it for my ZBT-1 and my Z-Station

[humble mirage]

That's probably Windows related

[empty bloom]

is

if it uses hyperv, which i'm pretty sure it uses a derivation of hyperv

[humble mirage]

Well... it could be VBox being shit, again, but yeah... not likely this time

[idle pelican]

Hoo.. power plan settings : USB Selective suspend settings was enable

must be that

[gentle cedar]

I know some VBox users have had success spinning up a new Vm and moving their virtual disk to it, but that's speculative based on forum posts. I would guess that far more folks have VBox problems than have it running, if forum posts are any indication

[idle pelican]

so far this is the only issue I have , I read also that putting one processor only is better than more

I'll see if this USB suspend settings do the tricks

https://i.imgur.com/kNt38Du.png

hopefully

[normal dew]

hi does any one know if its normal on the preparing home assistant screen it stops on the [supervisor.resolution.fixup] System autofix complete

[crude inlet]

It can, yes. You want to wait and try refreshing the page once in a while

[warm falcon]

Hello, I have a question. I have a sgc01 smart wifi (its application is Xhome), don't you know how to use the Home assistant?

[humble mirage]

Hello, I have a question. I have a sgc01

[weak sand]

Hi, I’m not able to access Home Assistant from Microsoft Edge. I’m using VirtualBox. Since I’m using an administrator computer without internet, I downloaded the .vbi file on my personal computer and powered it up on my navigator, which works perfectly. Then, I cloned this VM, zip it and put it on a USB key to transfer it to the administrator computer. I “add” a new VM on VirtualBox with the .vbox file. When I powered it up, it worked. But it has no IPv4 since I don’t have a DHCP server. So I manually add an IP with network update –ipv4-method static –ipv4-gateway 192.168.0.200 –ipv4-address 102.168.0.207. I checked that my PC is in the same network with ipconfig on cmd, it has the ip 192.168.0.203. But when I try to access Home Assistant on Microsoft Edge with 192.168.0.207:8123 it doesn’t work, it says : “Hmmm can’t reach this page 192.168.0.207 too long to respond”. If someone has an idea of what’s my problem and how to fix it, it would really help me, I have no idea left 😩

[humble mirage]

Can you ping the HA IP from the PC?

Did you remember to set a netmask for both computers?

[weak sand]

No I can't... "host unreachable"

[humble mirage]

Did you remember to set a netmask for both computers?

[weak sand]

For my VM I put /24, my administrator computer has the subnet mask 255.255.255.0 and my personal computer I don't really know but I think it has the same. I don't know if you are speaking about that

https://imgur.com/a/yRXgseG

[humble scaffold]

@weak sand When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

[humble mirage]

Can the PC or the VM ping themselves?

[weak sand]

how can i ping with HA OS ?

[raven forge]

Enter login and you have a shell where you can run ping.

[weak sand]

ok thx, so the PC and the vm are able to ping themselves "is alive"

[humble mirage]

Are they connected via network cables or WiFi?

[weak sand]

My personal computer and the administrator are not connected to each other. But I might have found the problem, I’ll tell you 🥰

[zealous hawk]

I just installed HAOS bare metal and try to restore from backup. When I log in the dashboard says cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'includes'). Logs just say Found incompatible HTTP option 'server_host'. Watchdog feature disabled.

Ideas?

[humble scaffold]

To check your configuration use the command for your install method:

HAOS

ha core check

Container

docker commands

Core

Requires you to activate the venv first

[humble mirage]

Run that, fix the problems

[zealous hawk]

Successful config (partial) it said

[warped nimbus]

hi guys, my supervisor is not healthy, how can i fix it from ssh?

thats it: system is not healthy - supervisor

[humble mirage]

Great, so what else did it say 😉

[humble mirage]

You're still running that broken Supervised install from the other day?

[warped nimbus]

yes, but i re-flashed it

[humble mirage]

Great, so why is it unhealthy now?

[warped nimbus]

idk

[humble mirage]

Really?

We went through this yesterday

Only if you find out can we help you

[warped nimbus]

I have always used the supervisor via ssh, now it gives me this error that I don't know what it is

if you want i can give you the error that it gives me when i try to update core/supervisor/install extension

[humble mirage]

The system tells you why it's unhealthy

[warped nimbus]

where?

[humble mirage]

If you've forgotten how go and and re-read the posts from the other day

[warped nimbus]

https://codeshare.io/r466lz

[humble mirage]

You can search for your own posts

[warped nimbus]

thats the errror

[humble mirage]

And that's not what we're asking for

However, I'm gonna give up on this until you've moved to HAOS

[zealous hawk]

It mentioned my unavailable_sensors.yaml from packages so I disabled that and restarted HA. Now it mentioned media_dirs of my Synology NAS (which is probably not mounted yet). Removing those seems to have fixed things. It's starting normally at least.

[warped nimbus]

and how can i move to haos without an hdmi in the micro pc^

?

there is a method?

[zealous hawk]

But now I wonder... should I restore something from backup or should everything be back now that I fixed the media dirs?

[humble mirage]

Yes, buy supported hardware, as we discussed before

[humble mirage]

That should be you all sorted

[zealous hawk]

Thanks! 🙂

[warped nimbus]

my dusun can support haos, you just need to tell me how to install it without an hdmi port

please

[humble mirage]

Ask the manufacturer

[warped nimbus]

he give me the supervisor

[humble mirage]

They'll need to tell you what image to flash, and how to flash it

Then probably it doesn't support HAOS

[warped nimbus]

yes, it can

[humble mirage]

(and by probably I mean that there's a snowball's chance in hell that it does)

Great, so ... you say it does. Where's the proof?

The manufacturer flashed Debian (or some derivative)

All they're giving you is Debian

No HAOS

[warped nimbus]

oh

my bad

and i cant use the supervisor?

[humble mirage]

Well.. apparently not

Supervised requires that you have awesome Linux skills

[cinder marsh]

they've no doubt supplied debian with supervised HA

[humble mirage]

Yup

[cinder marsh]

not HAOS

[humble mirage]

Another brand to tell people to avoid

Setting people up to fail is not ok

[warped nimbus]

maybe i need to change the docker, as you know, they are .cn

[warped nimbus]

can you send the link for checking the problem?

[humble mirage]

Checking what problem?

[cinder marsh]

@warped nimbus https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/ choose one of these methods, the easier the better. With that hardware, your best bet is Home Assistant Container

[humble mirage]

Honestly, just buy a Green, or a second hand mini PC

I expect you'll struggle with Container/Docker too, based off of the chat so far

[cinder marsh]

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#install-home-assistant-container

[warped nimbus]

for you, for the dusun, which should i do?

https://www.dusuniot.com/product/dsgw-210-home-assistant-zigbee-gateway/

thats it

[humble mirage]

Install Debian, follow the docs above, and use a compose file rather than docker run

[cinder marsh]

do you know how to use linux at all?

[humble mirage]

Based off the chat so far... no, not at all

[warped nimbus]

I'm going to lunch now

[humble mirage]

You should read yesterday's chat

[cinder marsh]

enjoy your lunch

[warped nimbus]

thanx

[warped nimbus]

so then i install this

from the ssh

[humble mirage]

Re-install Debian first

[warped nimbus]

ok

i need to re-flash it so

but i dont have debian, i have the file for supervisor

i need the file for debianOS

[humble mirage]

Yes 😉

[warped nimbus]

can you send me?

[cinder marsh]

looks like the whole purpose of that board is to run debian with supervised home assistant, I doubt there is a plain debian image available for it that doesn't include the home assistant parts

they really should've just built HAOS for it and save themselves and their users big headaches

check it out, here it says they have HAOS for it: https://www.dusuniot.com/product-specification/dsgw-210-ha-home-assistant-gateway/

but they don't

lol.

[humble mirage]

The DSGW-210-HA is pre-installed with the Home Assistant Supervised

[cinder marsh]

link to the 'firmware' (os image) is 404 too

yikes indeed

[humble mirage]

And probably cost more than supported hardware would have

[warped nimbus]

how can i uninstall supervisor?

[warped nimbus]

probably i sell my fucking dusun and i buy a green, it has all the protocols?

like zigbee etc.

[raven forge]

I'd recommend a general purpose PC like a (U)SFF/Tower or Mini PC.

[tender wren]

No, it doesn't. It needs to be equipped with according USB dongles

[warped nimbus]

and where can i buy the dongles?

[raven forge]

That greatly depends on your location, the device you want to buy, etc.

[warped nimbus]

I would like to get the green one, but they told me that it doesn't have all the protocols, and that USB dongles have to be purchased separately, where can I buy them?

?

[raven forge]

I just told you. It depends.

[warped nimbus]

from what?

does it depend on the smart things I have at home?

[raven forge]

It depends on a few things. What protocol do you want to use? What software do you want to use with it? In the case of zigbee there's Z2M for example. Where do you live? Which adapter do you want to buy exactly?

It doesn't really make sense to ask where to buy xyz as google can tell you that.

[warped nimbus]

i live in Italy, in my house i have some philips hue, some shelly's, some things with zigbee, reolink and imou cam's

[raven forge]

Shelly is (mostly?) WiFi. Philips hue is zigbee (and bluetooth?). The cameras I assume are WiFi as well. You don't need dongles for WiFi.

[warped nimbus]

so only zigbee?

and xiaomi things are zigbee?

[raven forge]

Xiaomi makes a lot of things.

[warped nimbus]

i have like a air fryer, air purifier

also a Daikin air conditioner

[raven forge]

I don't own any xiaomi devices but if you share the model the guys in #hardware-archived can probably tell you.

[warped nimbus]

ok, and for the air conditioner?

[raven forge]

Not sure. A IR blaster will probably work in any case but it's not as nice as a real integration. We're getting a bit off-topic here.

[warped nimbus]

ok

and i have a tv, sony bravia, and then a av reciver, a denon

[cinder marsh]

both have integrations in home assistant

[warped nimbus]

so i dont need a dongle?

[cinder marsh]

you only need a dongle for zigbee if you use a green

[warped nimbus]

where can i find it?

https://www.ebay.it/itm/115971515041?itmmeta=01J1W5ES3D6BB3K3HH4G6TRETM&hash=item1b0070e2a1:g:NOoAAOSwmgll-sjH&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA0DxK%2FUqcEs99jpHnZBf0qxfYgFWnl%2BWZz%2BQebu0AGh5n5%2FMi9lhfpCdmNWC4guTTphbKgNTqBQcgzI3AyOTZKMK5GlMKUR8lUwYvSI0%2BGI7dKrSbhzH4jbAa0l6aAJP8PUIc0KNo%2FacDvr2qgKhpVRlT0TLPBGQ1gU2FdnBvCzDhkpMLvPBKnIuo6TewilK04%2BT97BBMDyecOhEp3aEIC7YUjDXy2anvrkaajGAQ67NRMKX67%2FZAWw7MZWs2YmW30tEy0fJDEyupo3RbCgycaQQ%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR-yRu4WPZA

like this?

[cinder marsh]

yes, and damn that is cheap

[warped nimbus]

144€

[raven forge]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#recommended-zigbee-radio-adapters-and-modules

[warped nimbus]

sky connect is the dongle for zigbee?

[raven forge]

It's one option.

[warped nimbus]

ok

[cinder marsh]

ahh my mistake, it said 40 something euro when I accessed the page

[warped nimbus]

yes just the dongle yes, 144 for the device and the dongle

so this is for zigbee?

https://www.home-assistant.io/connectzbt1/

[cinder marsh]

yes

if you press the 'BUY NOW' button on the green site, it shows a list of retailers in Europe

https://www.home-assistant.io/green/

for example: https://www.domadoo.fr/fr/produits-compatibles-home-assistant/7046-nabu-casa-box-domotique-home-assistant-green-0794677011758.html

[warped nimbus]

ok

im in italy, so the best is from switzerland i think

correct?

[tender wren]

That is a business decision you have to make yourself

[warped nimbus]

ah ok

thanx to all of you guys

[mortal agate]

Switzerland might have import taxes into italy. Denmark, Poland, German have not - there are shops there (got my yellow from germany last week)

[nocturne bramble]

hello, I would like create a home assistant box for my family in plug and play with integration directly pre-configure with false information (like integration i would like forecast solar, solar edge, home wizard). Do you have any idea of how to pre-configure (with docker or script)?

[warped nimbus]

from which shop?

lats thing, how to uninstall supervisor with ssh?

[mortal agate]

Botland

[mortal agate]

Can‘t help you with that. I run HA in a podman container

[proven grove]

Not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean you want to change your installation type? If you're running HAOS, you should not be removing Supervisor.

[warped nimbus]

I have supervisor, but here I was told that it's not very good, and therefore to remove it, install Debian with container

[tender wren]

Tbh I'm not sure, if it can be uninstalled via apt, which would be the easiest way

[proven grove]

You mean you did a supervised install? If that's the case, your best bet would be to create a full backup (using the UI), removing the containers and then just setting up a docker compose with the Container only and copying your config over from the backup.

[humble mirage]

Read up, they have a well fucked up special setup

Supervised, on some butchered Debian, on weird hardware

hello, I would like create a home

[proven grove]

Ugh... ouch. sigh

[weak sand]

is it possible to change my username ? thanks to Ha or OS

[cinder marsh]

@warped nimbus try sudo dpkg -r homeassistant-supervised

[warped nimbus]

it says: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove homeassistant-supervised which isn't installed

[tender wren]

Wait for the next release today. That feature is expected to be added in the 2024.7.0 release

[cinder marsh]

@warped nimbus then I'm not sure, maybe they renamed the package

[warped nimbus]

someone know how to do it?

[cinder marsh]

whatever the case, if you would like to continue to attempt to use the DSGW-210 you should probably reach out to them for support

as in, the manufacturer/supplier

[proven grove]

Yes. Get supported HA hardware and install docker on debian and only use the Container image.

[warped nimbus]

how can i download it? with ssh

[humble mirage]

Buy supported hardware

[warped nimbus]

ok

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/

which for the dsgw-210^?

[humble mirage]

Linux

install Debian first

[cinder marsh]

@warped nimbus https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NHFqo69C4M7LMB_wy1WnekQidKmkKJZh/view

that's a debian image for that dsgw-210, from this website: https://www.dusuniot.com/product/dsgw-210-rk3328-iot-gateway-hub-controller-bridge-hardware/

[warped nimbus]

thats debian with container?

[cinder marsh]

if you manage to flash that image, and it's pure debian, then you can follow the instructions on how to install home assistant container

but who knows

[warped nimbus]

but from what I saw in the instructions for the container it is necessary to have HDMI, or am I wrong?

[humble mirage]

You'll need SSH, which hopefully that image includes

[tender wren]

Didn't we have the exact conversation yesterday?

[humble mirage]

Yup

We'll have it again tomorrow?

[warped nimbus]

which method should i use for linux?' virtualbox, unraid, kvm ?

[cinder marsh]

yo what the

[tender wren]

None of that

[proven grove]

[cinder marsh]

#installation-archived message

[warped nimbus]

which method should i use?

[humble mirage]

Container

As has been said many many MANY times

[warped nimbus]

where is it BRO

[cinder marsh]

gold medal for pro troll

bro, no.

[warped nimbus]

i cant see container in the site you sent

[humble mirage]

#installation-archived message

[cinder marsh]

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#install-home-assistant-container

[humble mirage]

Haven't you posted that before 😛

[warped nimbus]

ok

[tender wren]

And please... use the Docker Compose part. Fewer things to remember for you later.

[warped nimbus]

i tryed, but i think that it dont goes

i pasted this: docker run -d
--name homeassistant
--privileged
--restart=unless-stopped
-e TZ=MY_TIME_ZONE
-v /PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG:/config
-v /run/dbus:/run/dbus:ro
--network=host
ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable

[fallen imp]

Docker might not be the right option for you my friend. You havent setup this compose at all. HAOS is going to be the only real option for you on a supported device. I dont think you'll be able to figure out how to setup a zigbee container for example with docker. HAOS on a supported device.

[warped nimbus]

many people here told me that my device doesn't support haos

i have a dusun dsgw-210

[warped nimbus]

correct?

it says me: Error response from daemon: No such container: homeassistant

[humble mirage]

Which is why we keep telling you to buy supported hardware

[tender wren]

Option A: Read and understand the instructions - and learn basics of Docker as well
Option B: Get supported hardware

[humble mirage]

Your Dusun is a POS (pile of shit) and you were sold something completely unsuitable

A Green, or second hand small form factor PC that supports HAOS, is the only sane way forwards unless you want to actally learn Linux and Docker first

[warped nimbus]

can i run it on a vm?

[humble mirage]

Yes

[warped nimbus]

ok

[humble mirage]

That was already suggested to you 😉

[tender wren]

But likely not on a VM on that darn Dusun

[warped nimbus]

now I'll see whether to make a VM on a second PC, or whether to buy a green one at this point

[humble mirage]

Return the Dusun if you can

[warped nimbus]

I'll probably sell it

do you want it? haah

[tender wren]

Oh, the poor buyer

[warped nimbus]

ehhh ahah

[humble mirage]

Here. Have a hand grenade. Pin? Nah, you don't need that, just keep the spoon held down and it'll be ok.

[warped nimbus]

ahah

[tender wren]

As good as new. Slight signs of fragmentation.

[harsh nebula]

Hi All.. Currently running RPI3 with USB SSD. Now moving to Odroid N2+ 4GB, with MicroSD and want to move my USB SSD as data disk from my RPI3 to the Odroid. I've made a full config backup using the backup function of the RPI3 HomeAssistant config. Currently Odroid is setting up the freshly flash HomeAssistant on MicroSD. If a load the config backup into the new Odroid and physically move the USB SSD from the RPI3 to Odroid. Will HomeAssistant use this disk automatically (since it was maybe part of the config?)

[harsh nebula]

Update.. I just tried and went ahead. After start of the fresh HA i've moved over the USB SSD and Home Assistant detected it. Selected the disk , reboot and voila.. working !

[warped nimbus]

i bought a green from this site, is it reliable? https://ewelinkstore.com/product/home-assistant-green-smart-home-hub-with-pre-installed-home-assistant-skyconnect-usb-coordinator-for-zigbee-and-thread-bundle/

i found it in the official home assistant site by clicking shop now

so i think that is reliable

[urban tusk]

Hello, does anyone here happen to know the url where the raspberry pi home assistant img file is stored? The one raspberry pi imager downloads?

🤣 Lol, ChatGPT just suggested I could install wireshark to eavesdrop on the raspberry pi imager on my laptop

Well it's not wrong, that WOULD work...

Never mind, found it.

[urban tusk]

How can I configure wifi on a freshly installed home assistant? There is no raspi-config!

do I need to get into wpa_supplicant directly?

[grand pivot]

don't use Wifi for HA

[proven grove]

You can do it through the UI in HA. But yeah, don't use WiFi.

[urban tusk]

And how am I supposed to get to the UI if I don't have network?

[grand pivot]

you use Ethernet

as you should for all servers

[urban tusk]

So you are saying, I can't set this up unless I use ethernet right from the outset and I can't really use wifi?

[grand pivot]

really don't use wifi

is that a big deal?

plug it in in a closet, forget about it

[proven grove]

You need ethernet to do the initial install.

[urban tusk]

Look, it has to use all kinds of radio communication with the sensors, right? That means it has to be rather central to the house. And it so happens, the only place I have wired ethernet is in the basement.

[proven grove]

After you do the initial install, then you can go into the UI and add the WiFi information.

[urban tusk]

sigh I should probably just forego the ready-made image and install it on a mint raspbian-headless.

That has all the useful little tidbits installed that makes life bearable.

[proven grove]

What do you mean by "install it on..." You mean going with a Core install? You still need internet access for the packages and such.

[warped nimbus]

@humble mirage excuse me for the tag, but, FINALLY I BOUGHT AN HOME ASSISTANT GREEN

[proven grove]

There is no installation method that doesn't require internet access in some way, shape, or form.

[urban tusk]

On a stock raspbian, I'd HAVE internet access out of the box. Look, I've had a difficult day, ok? Todoist have withdrawn their alexa skill so my integration between alexa lists and my magicmirror is broken, I've jumped through a million hoops to get haos running on an nvme drive, and now this.

[proven grove]

I get it. 🙂 But honestly, do the initial install on ethernet, then just switch it over to WiFi.

[brazen herald]

It'll be faster that way too.

[fallen imp]

Depending on what radio waves your devices use, they would probably reach from your basement honestly. But after setup wifi should be fine.

[humble mirage]

Depends on what "radio" you mean

WiFi doesn't need the HA host to be connected by WiFi

#zigbee-archived and #zwave-archived and #thread-archived are all mesh networks

[urban tusk]

The question is, what little inconveniences will I discover next? is there a proper package manager? Do I have a proper shell or just an unconfigured PITA busybox?

[brazen herald]

HAOS isn't intended for you to be doing things like managing packages.

[humble mirage]

HAOS has no package manager, no shell

[vital summit]

[urban tusk]

So who does the OS updates then?

[humble mirage]

If you want full control, use Debian and Docker

HAOS is an "appliance"

[brazen herald]

You run HA on it, and #add-ons-archived. There are #integrations-archived including custom ones, but you don't mess with the platform outside of those.

[humble mirage]

HAOS handles OS updates, and software installs (aka #add-ons-archived) in the UI

[urban tusk]

Just for context, if I DO install ha-core on a linux box, I get essentially the same functionality as if I had used that pre-cast hands-off image, right?

[humble mirage]

Don't use Core

[urban tusk]

same UI, same modules, same config?

why not?

[humble mirage]

HAOS or Container - all bring you the same HA

Core requires you to do annual Python installs from source

Docker saves you from that

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation#advanced-installation-methods (but skip Supervised)

[urban tusk]

docker is what I have now. makes it a big PITA to get at the config and borderline impossible to get serial devices like a zigbee bridge attached.

[humble mirage]

What?

Bollocks

[tender wren]

🤨

[urban tusk]

No bollocks. also the nas I'm running it on is borderline overworked as it is.

[tender wren]

Docker on Windows?

[humble mirage]

Well, Docker on a NAS is your own fault

Docker on an actual computer has no problems like you describe

[proven grove]

@urban tusk We talked about this 🙂 Get it off your NAS. MUCH better experience.

[urban tusk]

That, my friends, is EXACTLY why we're having this conversation.

to bloody GET IT OFF THE STINKING NAS.

[proven grove]

lol what are you trying to install it on? rPi? Mini PC?

[urban tusk]

A brand-spanking new pi5 I bought specially for the purpose.

[proven grove]

Ok, fine. Throw raspbian on it and then docker and then create a compose file for HA. Done and dusted 🙂

[humble mirage]

Then Debian + Docker if you want a package manager, the ability to run random Docker images, and the like

HAOS if you just want an appliance

[urban tusk]

so the ha website tells me core can't do modules, that pretty much rules that out.

[humble mirage]

Modules?

You mean add-ons?

Core is for *nix greybeards

[fallen imp]

Home Assistant container you build your add ons as their own docker containers.

[urban tusk]

What do you mean *nix greybeards? I AM a *nix greybeard!

[humble mirage]

So am I... but I still use Docker 😉

[brazen herald]

As you've been struggling to install HAOS, your skills clearly lie in other areas 😉

[urban tusk]

@brazen herald I've had a trying day, ok, I don't need that kind of aggravation right now.

[warped nimbus]

can you check a thing for me please?

[brazen herald]

Perhaps take a break and try again tomorrow? 😉

[urban tusk]

THAT is a much more insightful and sensible comment than your last.

I'll have a beer, watch some eighties comedy and get back on it in the morning.

[brazen herald]

Considering the fact that I'm here volunteering my time for free after working for 13 hours today... good choice 😉

[urban tusk]

Considering that you just tried to burn me -and failed, I might add - I think we are even.

So have a peaceful one, peeps, I'm off to cool my head some.

[humble scaffold]

ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32, with a native integration for Home Assistant.

You can find their documentation here, and get help with ESPHome itself here in the #diy-archived channel (#integrations-archived for the Home Assistant side integration with it). They also have their own Discord server too.

[warped nimbus]

ha green have home assistant os?

[tender wren]

Yes

[warped nimbus]

ok thanx

[glass tinsel]

anyone have a good guide for using zigbee and z-wave dongles on an RPI and sending to Home Assistant? I have seen a few on Google but I'm not sure if maybe there's preferred/recommended guides?

(home assistant is a docker container on my main servers, not on the Pi)

[fallen imp]

Run docker on the RPI with a zigbee or zwave container. Check in at #zigbee-archived or #zwave-archived for any additional support.

[dense trail]

Hello Friends, I am running HAOS on RPi5 4GB now. Planning to add 6 Cameras, hence installed go2rtc with Frigate. Seems RPi5 can not deliver hence looking for Google Coral advise. is it worth investing on Coral. If so which one? the USB or M.2 PCie one? Any advise?

[proven grove]

You'll want to ask in #cameras-archived

[dense trail]

oh i didn't know there is camera section.

got it. Thank you @proven grove

[warped mica]

Since 2024.6.3 I have been unable to update my HA Core. It’s in a VM on a Synology NAS. I’ve tried rebooting the VM, rebooting the NAS. In the supervisor logs, I get this message:

2024-07-03 15:06:41.701 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2024.7.0: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.44/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2024.7.0/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2024.7.0")

Please help?

[raven forge]

Check the host logs.

[feral moth]

Hello! I'm currently migrating hass to a NUC from a PI, installing supervised via KVM image. Just finished installing and am prompted with
Welcome to Home Assistant
homeassistant login:
is there a default login or do I need to somehow figure out the IP and configure from the onboarding page?

[brazen herald]

Why did you install Supervised? Raspberry Pi supports full HAOS

[feral moth]

moving off a PI to a NUC

want to use the NUC for other things

[brazen herald]

Then you should use the docker container install 😉

[raven forge]

You can restore a supervised backup with a HAOS install.

[feral moth]

docker doesn't support addons

I tried that already

[raven forge]

Addons are docker containers.

[brazen herald]

Supervised is really really not recommended for a lot of reasons—and in your case, you will be breaking the requirements for Supervised by installing the other things you want

[raven forge]

Besides, supervised does not support running anything else. I mean you can but you will get an unhealthy system at some point.

[feral moth]

is there any documentation on how addons can be used in the docker install?

[brazen herald]

An add-on is a docker container

I recommend using docker-compose files to manage them.

[raven forge]

Or virtualize HAOS and run your other stuff in another VM: #hardware-archived message

[feral moth]

I thought thats what I was doing

ah right yes I explained myself wrong

its HAOS virtualised

[raven forge]

Ah, yeah, missed that KVM mention 👀

The CLI should give you an ip/URL. It should look something like this: https://community-assets.home-assistant.io/original/4X/b/5/6/b56b931fcc819ca4a781162ddebf769a939de2db.png
If not you can run ha network info but my guess is that networking for the VM is not configured correctly if there is none.
If it looks different than that you might have installed something different. Care to share a picture?

[feral moth]

I assume thats what it shows me after I login

but its asking for a password on boot

[humble scaffold]

@feral moth I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[raven forge]

HAOS doesn't really have a password: #general-archived message
Can you tell me what image you used?

[feral moth]

the KVM image from here:
https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#install-home-assistant-operating-system

which links to:
https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases/download/12.4/haos_ova-12.4.qcow2.xz

[raven forge]

Try just root without password.

[feral moth]

yup that worked

thanks

are we sure I have the right image?

happy to redownload if theres a better one

[raven forge]

No that's the right one.

You probably used a serial terminal to connect to the VM, right?
On a (emulated) display or monitor it looks like in the link I shared but on the serial terminal it looks like what you have. I'm just not used to that. My bad.

But back to the topic. ha banner will give you the banner from my picture and ha network info will give you the whole network info.
ip a also works.

[feral moth]

ok cool

looks like it has net

but has put it self on a strange ip range

so I cant hit it from my machine

[raven forge]

I'm not sure what you use to virtualize (besides KVM, of course) but it might use NAT. I think virt-manager does that by default. You want a bridge.

[feral moth]

as far as I know I just did a default install of kvm and loaded the image

I did install virtmanager was seeing conflicting instructions for KVM installs

ok cool sounds like I need to do some KVM reading

if you have any references for installing KVM in a more out of the box way im happy to blow away the machine and start again clean

[raven forge]

I recommend Proxmox VE: #hardware-archived message

[feral moth]

legend cheers ❤️

[grizzled pewter]

i tried reinstalling but it is still not working

[tender wren]

You should ask the people in the ESPHome Discord.

[grizzled pewter]

im going to be honest i mixed up home assistant and esphome

i just installed Home Assistant onto a RIPI4, its stuck on create user and wont go past that point

[warped mica]

Did anyone have any thoughts on where I should go with this?

Not sure if it was suggested to me, but someone mentioned look at the host logs, here’s some of the errors:

2024-07-04 03:28:42.701 homeassistant dockerd[516]: time="2024-07-04T03:28:42.701724362Z" level=error msg="Download failed after 5 attempts: local error: tls: bad record MAC"
2024-07-04 03:28:42.749 homeassistant dockerd[516]: time="2024-07-04T03:28:42.749814425Z" level=info msg="Attempting next endpoint for pull after error: local error: tls: bad record MAC"

[cinder marsh]

@warped mica do any of the synology dsm apps such as the web server have an update?

[humble mirage]

i just installed Home Assistant onto a

[urban tusk]

Hey guys, I'm back. I'm happy to say I got my HAOS up and running. Thanks for setting my head straight last night, I needed that.

[nimble jay]

Which one 4GB or 8GB I am planning one. Hit a wall trying to install on Odroid N2+.

[proven grove]

Hope you have fun with it. Glad you went with HAOS.

[umbral tundra]

Hi, I've tried the install HA on my Elitedesk 800 machine but after finishing and rebooting it seems to be just stuck on a gnu grub interface.
Is there anything I might be doing wrong?

[humble mirage]

That machine has UEFI support?

[raven forge]

Can you share what you see? Might be a situation like this (not exactly): https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/3348
How did you flash HAOS?

[umbral tundra]

I used the instructions with the ubuntu usb flash drive
https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/generic-x86-64#start-up-your-generic-x86-64

I'll take a picture

[humble scaffold]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

[umbral tundra]

https://imgur.com/a/cgYxxGN

secure boot is turned off. Not sure about "Sure Start" though

[raven forge]

You can try to disable sure start. HP is kinda vague about it. If that doesn't work I'd like you to boot the ubuntu iso again and run this

efibootmgr
lsblk -o+FSTYPE,LABEL,MODEL

[umbral tundra]

@raven forge with that command I get the following message:

order+FSTYPE```

[raven forge]

Huh. You ran both as separate commands, right?

[umbral tundra]

oh 😅 let me retry

Okay I'll restart now

Hmm still the same screen

[raven forge]

Can you share a picture?

[umbral tundra]

It looks like this again

[raven forge]

No I mean of the command outputs.

[umbral tundra]

ah

[raven forge]

I want to check if your disk was flashed correctly and UEFI boot is active.

[umbral tundra]

https://imgur.com/a/tzL2Ht6

[raven forge]

EFI boot is okay but that disk layout does not look right. There should be more partitions and one with a label like hassos-boot.
See here for an example: #installation-archived message

I'd recommend the pi flasher or dd. See here for dd: #general-archived message

[umbral tundra]

I'll try that. Ty

[raven forge]

Note that the disk is /dev/sda. At least this time. Don't target a partition or the stick 😄

[warped mica]

No NAS app updates afaik

[void wigeon]

I've installed HAOS in proxmox and I'm trying now to recover my backup, but it stays in the restore backup screen loading forever, is it just slow or there's something wrong with it?

I can see in the network connections of the browser that the fetch it's still pending

it's 4.1GB, but it's on my local network, it shouldn't take that long, right?

[humble mirage]

For backups that size it's recommended (in the docs even) to do a minimal setup and use Samba to upload the backup so you can restore

[void wigeon]

Thanks

[zealous hawk]

Changing from HAOS through VMware on windows to bare metal on my NUC made watt usage go from 40W to 25W. But minimum watt increased from 11W to 12W which I thought was kinda interesting.

[copper steppe]

Yes, a little interesting. I guess HAOS is hitting some hardware that was virtualised in vmware.

[mighty thorn]

Hi my home assistant crashes while updating the system

making it impossible to update

[humble mirage]

What's your install method? HAOS? Supervised? Container? Core?

What hardware is it running on?

[mighty thorn]

Pi 4b

I'm trying to update core from 2024.5.5 to 2024.7.0

[empty bloom]

You skipped his first question

[mighty thorn]

I don't know what he meant with that

[empty bloom]

You don’t know how you installed home assistant?

[mighty thorn]

No I don't remember

[humble scaffold]

System info

Open your Home Assistant instance and show information about your system

[humble mirage]

Go there

[mighty thorn]

Okay

Home Assistant

Core
2024.5.5
Supervisor
2024.06.2
Operating System
12.4
Frontend
20240501.1

[humble mirage]

HAOS

1. How are you powering it?
2. What's plugged into the USB ports?

[mighty thorn]

65w pd charger
P1 meter cable, zigbee dongle

I'm going to try a different power supply

[humble mirage]

Pretty sure the Pi doesn't support PD

You need one that provides the voltage and amps it expects

You also probably want a powered USB hub

[mighty thorn]

It works fine but I think I understand the problem

[humble scaffold]

@mighty thorn When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

[mighty thorn]

How is that frustrating

Just turn pings off

[humble mirage]

Ok... bye

[mighty thorn]

I fixed it

[brazen herald]

Turning off discord pings is not a good idea for mods, as it means people tagging the mod role for spam won't reach us. It's a bad discord default and lack of settings, but you can help but turning off pings when you reply to people.

[raven forge]

Kinda useless to use reply to respond to a message directly above.

[serene maple]

ok so i think i messed up i was following a yt video and went in and tried switching to a static ip address and now i cant get into my HA at all do i need to do a complete reflash?

[delicate aspen]

Hi All, just installed HAOS on a pi5. First time installing and using HA at all.

All seemed to be going okay until I got to the create user screen, and unable to actually create a user. Can fill in the form but not able to create an account. Have tried clearing the cache changing browser, trying it in the app on 2 devices and in pvt browser.

Only constant is the web page loading bar just seems to get stuck at 1/4 of the way to full. This is as soon as I click to create my smart home as the next create account page loads. Any help would be appreciated. TIA.

Update: restarted the pi5 and it now shows me a login screen that I have no idea what the details are 🤦🏽 any way to hard reset once it thinks an admin account has been created?

[raven forge]

Just a keyboard and monitor.

[serene maple]

@raven forge ok i have a keyboard and monitor setup on it

[raven forge]

You can change networking settings via the CLI. Check ha network update --help for the options.
See here for an example:

• #installation-archived message
• #installation-archived message
  You can get your current settings and the name of your interface via ha network info.

[serene maple]

@raven forge ok thank you i will do that and see if i can figure it out if not i will be back

[serene maple]

@raven forge ok i got it switched to where i can get back into my dashboard thanks so much

so my next question would be how important is it to have a static ip address for HA

[raven forge]

Depends. If your DNS works properly and you use hostnames probably not that much. I'd recommend a static DHCP lease though.

[serene maple]

the thing is i don't have regular internet and im using a router that they supplied and after talking to them earlier a static IP would have to be done through them they said they would assign it and its $15 a month

So im trying to determine if its worth $15 a month extra or not

[raven forge]

I meant a local ip lease.

No.

[serene maple]

i have no idea what a local ip lease is lol

[raven forge]

Google it 🙂

[serene maple]

is DHCP reservation the same thing?

[raven forge]

Yeah. A static DHCP lease can also be referred to as a ip reservation.

[sacred holly]

can you help me

[humble scaffold]

Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

1. What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
2. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
3. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
4. What's the exact error message?
5. When did it arise?
6. What exactly don't you "get"?
7. Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

[serene maple]

@raven forge ok i have that option in my router dashboard

[raven forge]

I only let the device itself choose its ip if I have no other option. Otherwise I use DHCP to give it one.

[serene maple]

so should i just do a DHCP reservation on the ip that has already been assigned

[raven forge]

Sure. You can also combine this. This makes sense when you have to let a device set its ip but still want to be able to reach it by its hostname and protect against collisions. If you're smart you let the device set a ip outside the DHCP range.

I'd generally recommend DHCP unless you have a good reason not to use it.

[serene maple]

i also have DNS host mapping it looks like in my router

[rigid nimbus]

Hi all, I installed HAOS 12.4 on a laptop for the first time today. I navigated to homeassistant.local:8123 on my desktop and it instructed me to make an account. Clicking the "Create Account" button does nothing. I restarted the laptop, let it boot, and tried to restart the onboarding. The page now just has the "Welcome home!" login box, and of course the username/password I used doesn't work. Do I need to reinstall HAOS to restart the onboarding process?

[crude inlet]

Did you have ha running somewhere else before this laptop

[rigid nimbus]

Nope, trying it for the very first time today

[crude inlet]

Do you see welcome to ha in the console?

On the laptop display

[rigid nimbus]

Yes, just under the ascii logo

Under that is IP address, version etc

[crude inlet]

And it has an ha> prompt?

[rigid nimbus]

it does

[crude inlet]

Enter “auth list”

I think

[rigid nimbus]

i gave that a go, it just comes up with []

so i assume there's no user account

hence wanting to restart onboarding

[crude inlet]

But it’s asking for a user so that’s weird. Not sure how that happened

[rigid nimbus]

exactly...

[crude inlet]

You could try entering “login” to get to the host and the # prompt

[rigid nimbus]

that does bring up the #

[crude inlet]

And then delete the config directory

[rigid nimbus]

can that be done while HA is running?

[crude inlet]

enter "ha core stop" for that

[rigid nimbus]

that worked, thank you

just looking up how to delete those files now

[crude inlet]

then rm -r /mnt/data/supervisor/homeassistant

[rigid nimbus]

-r is 'remove'?

[crude inlet]

that will remove (rm) the homeassistant directory (which is /config when you are in HA) and then you can use reboot

[rigid nimbus]

alright, giving that a go

[crude inlet]

the -r means recursively delete the directory and everything in it

Wait till you see the welcome to ha and ip address etc again and then try to reach in the browser. You should be at onboarding

[rigid nimbus]

fantastic, that allowed me to restart onboarding

thank you very much for your help

now to see if it allows me to create an account

[crude inlet]

right. that's the odd part.

[rigid nimbus]

name and username don't need to be a specific length, i assume

and the 'create account' button would only go blue if the password is of sufficient strength

brilliant, i just made the username the same as the name and it allowed me through

looking forward to using HA, thank you again

[trim needle]

Hey all - been using HAOS in a VM and like it well enough to put it on dedicated hardware. Converting the VM to a physical disk seems like some faff, but I know HAOS can do config backups to Samba shares with an add-in. If I back up my VM config and then restore it to a fresh install on my dedicated box, is that a good plan?

[delicate aspen]

Would I be using this same solution for the same issue posted slightly further up, just not a laptop but a raspberry pi5? (Assume as I'm not actually on the device I would need to do this by plugging in a keyboard and mouse?)

[raven forge]

You can wipe HAOS and start fresh with ha os datadisk wipe.

[delicate aspen]

Just tried this and back to original problem where I enter the account details I want but won't allow me to click the create account button.

Have also fully wiped the SD card and reloaded from raspberry pi 5 loader with os 12.3 to no avail

[raven forge]

Sounds similar to this: https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/3459

I'd check the browser's developer tools.

[delicate aspen]

Awesome great will give that a go 👍🏼

[delicate aspen]

😂 when capital letters in a username are the problem. need a tooltip 👍🏼

[dull summit]

Hello, quick question, I ve my home assistant using the duckdns domain available on internet but on the local network it's not working.
This prevent me to cast on my google nest a dashboard (because it doesn't use the local network).
https://homeassistant.[mysubdomain].duckdns.org -> 5G ok / wifi KO

Behind home assistant I ve swag as reverse proxy on a OMV on a proxmox if it can help.
I ve the exact same issue related with jellyfin and other self services exposed on the internet, so it's not a HA related issue

Any idea where I need to look ?

[tough latch]

uh, I've run into that with my setup before, trying to remember the term for what you need to set in your router

you're looking to set up NAT loopback or NAT hairpin, which is allowing your local devices to go through the port-forwarding as well

having said that, I think I ended up not figuring out how to do that, and I set up a split DNS instead. so jellyfin.home.example.com resolves to my outside IP address with a CNAME, and from the inside it resolves to my reverse proxy with another CNAME

not sure if that's really easier, but I already had BIND set up and was not afraid to use it 😉

[neon path]

Trying to get HAOS off the ground on a new Pi 5, 8GB, getting this

[supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi5-64-homeassistant:2024.7.1: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.44/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi5-64-homeassistant:2024.7.1/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi5-64-homeassistant:2024.7.1")
[supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retrying in 30sec

Googling got me nothing.

Nevermind, I put the full URL in, and got a page.

Still not a solution though.

[tender wren]

Make sure it has unrestricted internet access and no custom DNS messing with it

[neon path]

There a way I can SSH into it in this state?

It should be unrestricted, and I have nothing special DNS wise.

[tender wren]

You can also try to get access to the console and set DNS by hand
ha dns options --fallback=false --servers dns://8.8.8.8
followed by ha host reboot
For the console with keyboard and display, you don't need the starting ha

[brazen herald]

Though if you are using your ISP's DNS, you may want to try cloudflare with 1.1.1.1

[tender wren]

If a Terminal add-on is running (and configured for SSH) you can SSH into it.

[dull summit]

I ve a adguard selfhosted running, it can mess with my config ?
How did you do the CNAME stuff ?

@tough latch that ? https://pasteboard.co/wyYYqHJbVyQb.png
but I can't insert the port :/

[neon path]

Did that; issue persists.

[neon path]

Huh. Had to give it a static IP.

[tough latch]

I'm running HA behind a reverse proxy that uses the requested hostname to decide where to route the request to

so as long as I talk to my proxy using "ha.home.example.com" it'll do the right thing

so no need for extra ports, it's all 443 for HTTPS

[dull summit]

you don't need port forwarding on your router ?

actually I have one for swag and one for qbittorent

But where should I investigate to fix my issue ? ^^'
I m confused with it, t work on the outside and in the inside but not with the external URL inside the local network

[tough latch]

oh, sure, I need to forward the HTTPS port on my router, but that's separate to the DNS rewriting

but my point is that I have my HTTPS reverse proxy. and that's the one that is the endpoint of my https://ha.home.example.com

and that then proxies to my homeassistant box on port 8123

[dull summit]

yeah, I have setted the config for each app for every exposed app

It's why it's accessible outside

I don't understand the difference with being inside the network

do you have a sample of your rewriting ofc, obfuscated

[tough latch]

I don't rewrite anything. I ryun my own full-fledged DNS server, and that has a rule to make it serve different IP addresses depending on where the request is coming from

[dull summit]

So you didn't do anything spedical in adguard

[tough latch]

I don't run adguard

[dull summit]

or pi hole

[tough latch]

I do run pihole, but the DNS server I'm doing that dance is the one pihole talks to

[dull summit]

hehe in the end I don't know where I should investigate ^^'

it's too complicated for me

[tough latch]

what brand router do you have?

[dull summit]

Orange livebox

[tough latch]

seems like that can't do NAT loopback: https://martin-jones.com/2013/12/10/orange-livebox-2-0-port-forwarding-and-nat-loopback/

[proud owl]

Hello, I wanted to install hass OS again on my rpi5, but it shows me that Home Assistant CLI not starting, jump into emergency console... I tried to reinstall it a lot of times and still nothing, It's pretty new SD card, I have it used it last time with no problem...

[proven grove]

Does the rpi5 have internet access? Have you checked for error messages?

[frank vigil]

How can I solve? raspberry pi 4b

Wating for the Home Assistant CLI to be ready....

WARN Home Assistant CLI not starting! Jump into emergency console....

$

[proven grove]

Is this a new install or did this just start happening?

[frank vigil]

new install

@proven grove

[proven grove]

Is it connected to the internet?

[frank vigil]

not by ethernet

[proven grove]

That’s your issue.

[frank vigil]

Ah, does it only work if it's connected to Ethernet?

[proven grove]

For the initial install, yes. After that, you can setup WiFi for it (but it’s not recommended to do so).

[frank vigil]

oh ok thanks

[proven grove]

Anytime 😊

[proud owl]

yep it was a problem with internet.. fixed, tysm

[proven grove]

Happy to help. 😊

[brazen herald]

What are you hoping to achieve by installing Proxmox?

Well, until you have a reason to deviate from the official documentation, I recommend not bothering.

Pis aren't the most powerful of devices, you'll be further limiting what you can do by running HA inside of Proxmox

[grand pivot]

If you don't know why you're doing something, maybe don't do it 🙂

[serene bison]

yeah i'm just going to keep life simple and go with Rbp OS

[brazen herald]

Wait, Pi OS? Why not HAOS?

[serene bison]

life is more exciting when you do questionable nonsense for no particular reason

[brazen herald]

Exciting/problematic for unknown reasons 😉

It's an OS

If you try to install HAOS on top of another OS that's Supervised, which has to be installed on Debian (not a variation), and requires you to do a lot of work for no gain yourself.

[tender wren]

That's why it is called HAOS

[brazen herald]

HAOS is the way to go to keep things simple!

[serene bison]

yeah I was thinking about running other stuff on this thing in addition to HA, but for my first install this time, I will just keep it simple on here

[brazen herald]

Keep it simple, make backups, and then you can always migrate to a container install later.

Glad to help!

[daring spruce]

yes, I am a noob. this is probably a dumb question, but it's where I am.

I currently have HAOS installed on a N100 mini PC. I'm running Frigate with a Coral as well. I added a second hard drive to my mini PC for Frigate to store the media (as opposed to the main drive), but it seems that the add-on version of Frigate does not allow a separate local storage for media. it says as much in Frigate documentation as well, but the documentation notes that it is a limitation of HAOS.

it seems like running HA and Frigate as docker containers on a linux host would fix that issue and let me configure Frigate to my liking, but I don't know how far off the deep end I am going because it seems like that route would get rid of the Supervisor that manages add-ons?

any advice/assistance clarifying this in my mind?

maybe a more specific question also: would running HA without HAOS (by just installing the core as a docker container) mean that any add-ons I install (e.g. Node Red) must be manually installed as its own docker container on the host?

[raven forge]

You can either virtualize HAOS and manage storage how you wish or run the software in the addons as your own docker containers. I feel like virtualization isn't a good idea here.

[daring spruce]

^ no, that appears to be completely possible using HAOS from everything I've read. it involves mapping the network storage and mounting it as /media

the challenge is only when you want to use a separate local storage because there are not provisions for mounting a local storage as /media as far as I can tell

when you go to** Settings -> System -> Storage -> Add Network Storage** one of the options there is Media. that's what you'll want

[crude inlet]

Anything with “OS” is an Operating System, unless it is wrongly labeled as such. Can’t think of any examples of that

[grand pivot]

I have Optically Stabilized camera lenses

They don't do anything for HA, though

[bitter echo]

Hi there,
I'm having issues installing HA 2024.7.1 (python 3.12.4)
I've been going back & forth all weekend, trying to get the 'hass' command after installation to work.
But even after leaving it open for over 8hours, It still gave no reply whatsoever.
I've installed HA on an ubuntu WSL (on windows 11), (tutorial checked & followed: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/windows )
Anyone that can help ?

[humble mirage]

Is there a reason you're trying to use a pure Core install?

If you have to run on Windows then a VM (VirtualBox) + HAOS is better

[bitter echo]

That's a fact, and I already did the install on virtualBox. But ... it's still bothering me that I couldn't get it to work 🙂

[humble mirage]

Getting it working there requires some Linux-fu and some Python venv-fu

It's perfectly possible, but if you're not already at home on both it'll be hard work

(also requires you to follow the docs very carefully)

[bitter echo]

Quite 'at home' in both areas, but still ... the HASS command doesn't do anything

[humble mirage]

If you just type hass then that runs HA

There's nothing else to see at that point

If you ^C then you'll stop it running

You may want to re-read https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/windows#create-the-virtual-environment

[exotic hare]

I am a newb to HA. I am trying to install HAOS on a Intel 185H machine and I disabled secure boot. I ended up using the try Ubuntu on a USB and installing the HAOS on the local hard drive. Now, when I try to boot the hard drive, and I am getting stuck at Booting 'Slot A(OK=0 TRY=0). I am wondering if the grub is wrong???

[vestal osprey]

Fresh user on HA here. I set up HA on RPI 3B+ without issue. I enabled Wifi client and could access via both IP addresses. But when I unplugged the Ethernet and rebooted, the RPi comes up on Wifi (ping works) but the HA http server is not responding ("refused to connect."). Is this expected (maybe boot is waiting for something to timeout)? UPDATE: I suspected that I made the mistake of installing MQTT add-on and that ate up the RAM. Starting over. UPDATE2: Not only MQTT had been enabled, but also ESPHome, so yeah... I think RPi 3B+ is simply too limited in RAM. Moved HA onto an x64 machine using Docker. And all-in-all, installations have worked well. I think I just tried to squeeze too much into too little RAM.

[sturdy rain]

Hi everyone, I'm having a problem with my home assistant instance running in a VM in windows: I can't access my instance from my phone or computer or from anywhere. I have a DNS service set up and I used to be able to access Hass with this link. My SSL certificate has not expired. Even when I try to connect to it locally it says dns_probe_finished_nxdomain... I know that the VM can access the network because my esphome motion sensor still works and runs it's automations. Anyone have a solution? Thanks in advance

i tried the lan ip and that didnt work either btw

[humble mirage]

What's the IP shown in the (VM) console?

[sturdy rain]

http://homeassistant.local:8123

ohhh wait

http://10.0.2.15/24

which gives me this

ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT

[humble mirage]

Well, it'd be http://10.0.2.15:8123/ or maybe https://10.0.2.15:8123/

[sturdy rain]

both say ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT

[sturdy rain]

Btw last time I tried to start the VM it completely crashed

And also home assistant doesn't appear in my router

[humble mirage]

And the rest of your computers use 10.0.2.x?

[sturdy rain]

Well my main pc is on 192.something

[humble mirage]

Sounds like the VM isn't bridged 😉

Check the network settings

[warped nimbus]

i've installed hacs but i dont see on the left sidebar

[brazen herald]

Did you set it up?

[warped nimbus]

how?

[brazen herald]

https://hacs.xyz/docs/configuration/basic

[warped nimbus]

ok, now i am doing an update, then i do it, thanx 🙂

did it 🙂

https://imgur.com/a/WrY13KU

which is the right?

[brazen herald]

That's a #frontend-archived question entirely dependent on what you want to do.

[warped nimbus]

ok

[sturdy rain]

I'll check in a sec, thanks

I changed my settings to bridged adapter and it's still not working lol

[terse siren]

hi, I need help with the migration from tuya/smart life to home assistant, I have it installed on a NAS, I have done all the previous steps but when I have to put the user code to import the integrations it gives me the message: unknown error occurred. What am I doing wrong?

[teal thorn]

Can I install Home Assistant on my Raspberry Pi without flashing my SD card?

[proven grove]

Anything in the logs? Any errors?

[proven grove]

The short answer is no. There's a longer answer, but def not recommended on a rPi.

[humble mirage]

Yes, but not if you use HAOS. A pure Container (Docker) install will work

A Pi3 though will be underpowered

And don't even think about anything lower

[teal thorn]

Can you send me a tutorial?

[humble scaffold]

The topic of this channel is:

Discussion about how to install Home Assistant (https://www.home-assistant.io/installation), and issues with the install itself. Make sure to mention which type of installation you have. If you're not sure of your installation method, check under Info in the System Health Card (https://my.home-assistant.io/redirect/info/)

[humble mirage]

There's a link in the channel topic

Scroll down to Install Home Assistant on Linux

Then Install Home Assistant Container

And use the Compose option 😉

[teal thorn]

I haven't installed Linux on my Rasp.

[humble mirage]

Well... you have to flash something on that SD card 😉

Flash HAOS and be done with it

(and then plan the migration to an SSD so you don't lose all your data when the SD card dies)

[teal thorn]

No, i have scripts on my SD card!

[terse siren]

no, only these.

[proven grove]

And you're trying to use the Tuya integration?

[terse siren]

yes

[teal thorn]

I try this way!

[humble mirage]

Please read the thread 😉

[teal thorn]

Can I install this from the command line?

From rasp?

[humble mirage]

FFS

Are you actually reading my replies?

[teal thorn]

Yes

[humble mirage]

Did you look in the thread?

I'll take that as no

[humble scaffold]

@terse siren I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[proven grove]

That's different than your Tuya issue. Does your HA instance have internet access?

[terse siren]

yes, the NAS has internet and apparently home assistant too. I have an other container for Pihole. Whatever, both containers works in a virtual lan and I think is generating the problem.

[proven grove]

Is it possible that pihole is blocking the Tuya and metno calls? You should check the query log there and see if that is the case.

[terse siren]

Yes, I was thinking this but I paused pihole and the result was the same. sorry for my english.

[humble scaffold]

@terse siren I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[proven grove]

s6-rc: info: service legacy-services successfully started
  [✗] DNS resolution is currently unavailable
  [✗] DNS resolution is not available

Uh, I think I found your problem 🙂

[remote pawn]

Hi, installed and booted the haos, but I am now staring into a black screen for like 3mins now, is this normal?

[terse siren]

I'm worried about the last 2 lines that say the dns don't work. But pihole does its job and the rest of the devices have internet perfectly.

[proven grove]

What do you mean a black screen? And yes, it can take up to 20 minutes for the installation to complete.

[remote pawn]

Ah

[humble scaffold]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

[remote pawn]

By black screen I mean that I after getting into boot selection, and booting HAOS it just went blank

I’ll wait like 20mins and if nothing changes I’ll come back here

[terse siren]

but how it's possible the DNS is unavailable but the devices has internet perfectly?

[humble mirage]

Remember, there's no local UI

You need to use your web browser, as explained in the install docs

[proven grove]

That's a good question. My guess might be that they are falling back to your router's DNS server?

[terse siren]

yes, then there should be no problem, if it works for some things it should work for home assistant

[sturdy rain]

what confuses is me is that up to this point everything worked fine, i just restarted my computer for an update. i tried making a new vm, still nothing

[remote pawn]

I am waiting for this: “Power the system on. If you have a screen connected to the Generic x86-64 system, after a minute or so the Home Assistant welcome banner will appear in the console.” And I can’t connect to the local address/site w/e

[sturdy rain]

oh so now zigbee2mqtt doesnt work either it does nothing anymore, cli is still functional though

[sturdy rain]

So what do I do from here? I don't know what to do anymore. I don't have a spare computer either- so if I don't get this working no more lights in my room for a while 😅

[tender wren]

First thing: downloading a backup asap

[sturdy rain]

It's on a virtual disk so it should be fine

But as I said I don't have a spare computer to run this on and it would be very hard for me to get one

Does anyone have any idea what could be happening?

[humble mirage]

Could be many things, including Windows

Your PC is wired, not using WiFi?

[sturdy rain]

my pc is wifi

but i can very easily wire it

[humble mirage]

There's well documented problems with bridging to WiFi networks on Windows

[sturdy rain]

let me try

booting and praying at the same time

but what im confused about is that the esphome motion sensor still worked for some reason 🤔

YES

IT WORKS

still very confused by:
how it worked pefectly until now
how the esphome motion sensor still worked

but thank you for your help :3

[teal thorn]

Yes

Yes

[tender wren]

No

[humble mirage]

Probably a Windows update or VBox update that broke it all

[sturdy rain]

im going on a trip to the us and i plan to come back with a pi to run all of this on

[gloomy orbit]

Err... in my config folder there are endless levels of the same directory. All files changed at the same time, indicating that they are indeed the same files. Can anybody explain what is going on here? 😅
https://i.imgur.com/etnnnAE.png

[proven grove]

Samba run amok?

[gloomy orbit]

Could be... but I have no idea where to start troubleshooting

[tender wren]

Symlink to that directory within the same directory?

[gloomy orbit]

Don't know what that means unfortunately

[proven grove]

If you don't know what it means, then I bet it's Samba acting weird. Try rebooting your HA instance (full reboot) and maybe also reboot your computer as well.

[gloomy orbit]

Will do

Properties of the config folder currently says > 175 000 files, still counting 😅

[proven grove]

You have a recent backup, right? Just in case?

[gloomy orbit]

Yeah every night

[proven grove]

Keep it handy... I've never seen Samba wig out like that, but it also wouldn't surprise me.

[gloomy orbit]

I recently opened the config folder in vs code via smb, maybe it could be related

But I do that from time to time

Using https://github.com/keesschollaart81/vscode-home-assistant

[gloomy orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/B8Gb4ZD.png Does this seem strange to you? I'm not very handy on these parts... (considering I do backups each night, I suppose those are the peaks). But I'm not sure why it would write to the disk. Maybe that's where something is happening?

Theory being the backup is being written to the config folder - essentially creating a copy of all the files. But that wouldn't explain all files on different levels indicating that they were edited at the same timestamp

[proven grove]

🤔 Maybe? It might be the database performing writes in bursts. That's not unheard of with sqlite3's wrte ahead logging.

If you remote into the console and do a ls -lah, do you see the same thing?

[gloomy orbit]

No 🤔 At least I don't think so: https://i.imgur.com/B4sx4xW.png

[proven grove]

Actually... yeah, that link homeassistant -> /homeassistant looks odd to me.

[gloomy orbit]

I'm running a full backup now then a snapshot, then I'll remove the top dupe dir and see what happens

[proven grove]

Yeah, I'm not sure how or why that symlink is there. It's weird and not something that HA would normally create (that I know of)

[gloomy orbit]

Full backup is by the way 1777mb, while if I inspect the properties of the dir from explorer, its >50 gb

[gloomy orbit]

I removed all the duplicate directories and rebooted now. Seems to be working and no new directory is created. I'll see what happens overnight... thanks for your help

[gloomy orbit]

this is still present though

[proven grove]

I think you had a combination of issues. That symlink still bothers me, but also I think Samba freaked out on you as well.

[gloomy orbit]

How would I go about removing the symlink?

[proven grove]

From the console, rm -f homeassistant. But I would take a backup before that just to be extra safe since I don’t know how it got there in the first place.

[gloomy orbit]

it's back after reboot 🤔

[proven grove]

Yeah, I’m not sure. HAOS might create it? I run Container, so I’m not sure.

[proven fern]

Hi! Same here with my VM 😦 everything works, only the GUI not.

[proven fern]

My PC is running on LAN, so maybe wifi is not the problem.

[humble mirage]

Check that it's still on bridged networking

[proven fern]

I unfortunately restarted it, so everything is ok now. I have to wait for it to happen again. I had to use the HA so I was not able to let it sit stuck.

[proven fern]

I can probably replicate it. I had similar problem when I was changing my switch! Seemingly dead HA, maybe will be same result.

So unplugging it for a second from the switch

[near arrow]

Hello

I install home assitant on a respberry pi 5 with sd card and i have a Raspberry Pi M.2 HAT+ with a ssd how can i put home assitant from sd card to ssd?

[humble mirage]

If you're using HAOS you either:

1. Flash the image to the SSD
2. Keep the SD card and move the data only

[near arrow]

yes i use HAOS but how can i flash the ssd?

[humble mirage]

Same way you flashed the SD card

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi#write-the-image-to-your-sd-card

[frosty plume]

https://dpaste.org/nSqoz this is my logra

[teal rapids]

how long should a HAOS restore (HA, Folders, 12 Addons) roughly take on a Pi4 with a USB3.0 NVME? It's been an hour so far, no response from HA

[proven grove]

Depends on the size of your instance and how much data has to restore. Typically, for a 10gb restore, I tell people 15-45 minutes. Bigger than that can take longer.

[teal rapids]

ok. i think it'sa bout 30GB

i'll let it sit

[proven grove]

Yeah, get some coffee... touch grass... um... whatever the kids say, do that 🙂

[teal rapids]

nap

lol

[proven grove]

lmao even better.

[proven fern]

It seems like my HA is bridget, right? The case when HA GUI is not working but everything else seems to does. https://pasteboard.co/FXKHvegcjYU9.png

maybe another different problem not related to the one we talked before.. https://pasteboard.co/dnskeklQ8fzm.png It just did "systemd-coredump"

[proven fern]

Did it solve your problem?

[proven fern]

Sorry for not posting it in one message, I just found another log https://pasteboard.co/HudkY7CfVSOQ.png The worst part is, that anyone having the same issue and posting it online gets no replies 🙁

[humble mirage]

You've not yet shared any image of the VM network settings

[simple wigeon]

Yes, worked perfect for many months

[proven fern]

I have it set to Attached to: Bridged Adapter, or at leas I dont know about any other settings there I could post

[proven fern]

Thanks! If I dont find solution, I might try it.

[simple wigeon]

You've read 12000 messages to find mine from January. It would be much faster to install VMware 😂

[proven fern]

To be honest, I have heard of people suggesting to install Proxmox atc. but I already had VirtualBox and it feels like its super easy to use, and I was not into switching. Until recently..

[humble mirage]

Running Windows (desktop) for VMs can be fine, or full of problems, or flop between the two

[simple wigeon]

When I used virtual box, in the last few weeks it got stuck every 2-3 hours. With VMware it only got stuck once in 6 months.

[proven fern]

I have been running the windows server 2022 edition with the WirtualBox for a looong time, even had the 2019 edition before. After that 5 years of running it that way I havent had any problems :/

It just started for no reason :/ Not sure what happened. I am mainly running on windows because of BlueIris

[humble mirage]

#android-archived can better help there

[teal rapids]

well after 3 hours it was still completely down. did a hard reboot and we're back but i have no idea if the restore took or not. at least it's usable again

[proven grove]

But you got a good nap in, right? 😉 How do you not know if the restore took or not? Are your "things" there?

[teal rapids]

my history seems good and there are no errors. it was a good nap.

[elder pike]

Hey everyone...
I'm trying to setup my Pi5 with the official HASS OS image but I can't get it to show the GUI. I always get connection refused so I'm guessing that something is stopping my Pi from booting correctly. I can ping but I can't get to the GUI even with the IP:8123. The issue is, I'm pretty far off in a remote area right now and don't have an HDMI cable to check whats going on. Is there any way to enable SSH via the boot image like you can do with a standard PiOS image? I don't even have a config.yaml since I wasn't even able to access the setup GUI. Any ideas?

[gloomy orbit]

Does the pi have internet access?

[elder pike]

No, not yet. Is it required to? Can I setup wifi without the GUI?

[humble mirage]

Yes, HAOS needs internet for the install, and setup

Better than providing a 16 GB download 😛

You can cut it off after setup

The problem is that it downloads all the Docker images, and all the Python packages after the HAOS install

Adding any integration results in Python package downloads

Adding any add-on needs a download

[humble scaffold]

@cinder tulip When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

[humble mirage]

Yes, it could, but somebody would have to develop that change, and it's not been on anybody's priority list

Maybe you could develop that change 😉

https://tenor.com/view/critical-bard-cb-critbard-block-blocked-gif-17797062

Also https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/ and #rules rule 4 😉

[tender wren]

[tough ember]

when I access home assistant (with the IP that my rasbperry provided me) to be able to register there is this message ("An error occurred while installing Home Assistant, check the logs below for more information.")

[elder pike]

Yes once I have access to the GUI and can setup wifi Internet wont be a problem... can I prerequisite the wifi connection settings in the installer image somehow?

[humble mirage]

No, still no

[quaint arrow]

Good morning, I got a HP elite desktop and want to use it only for HomeAssistant

I do not have a need for docker

[humble mirage]

Then flash HAOS

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/generic-x86-64

[quaint arrow]

I figured that would be the easiest. THANKS. Can you recommend good Zwave and Zigbee hub?

[humble mirage]

#zigbee-archived and #zwave-archived can if you tell them your country

[quaint arrow]

🙂

[humble scaffold]

@sand niche I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[humble mirage]

#integrations-archived can help there

[sand niche]

oh i thought this was still a steap of installation

thanks

[quaint arrow]

I reading the docs and its seem there are 2 method. It seem like the prefer Methond 1?

Use this method only if Method 1 does not work for you.

[humble mirage]

That's what the docs say...

I'd suggest not second guessing them and just following them 😉

[quaint arrow]

sorry, but i dont see the advantages of installing ubuntu?

[humble mirage]

You're not installing it

You're using a live distro to allow you to easily flash the drive

[quaint arrow]

ah!! ok. Now this makes total sense. THANKS

[humble mirage]

Create a live operating system on a USB flash drive

Guessing you skipped the reading part 😛

[quaint arrow]

LOL .... yes i skim it.

[midnight crater]

I'm getting this error when trying to install HAOS on an Optiplex:

[supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/generic-x86-64-homeassistant:2024.7.2: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.45/images/create?tag=2024.7.2&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Fgeneric-x86-64-homeassistant&platform=linux%2Famd64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": net/http: request canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)")

Is this a dns issue?

[frigid cave]

I had a similar issue the other day, except it was a 40x instead of 500. After a few retries it resolved itself. I thought it was a DNS issue first but pihole was resolving the domain just fine

[midnight crater]

Unfortunately, I let the installation try to run all night and it never made past that. Kept retrying but failed everytime.

[proven grove]

Does the optiplex have internet access? Are you blocking it at all?

[midnight crater]

It does have internet. Connected via ethernet

[proven grove]

Huh, can you get to the console on it?

[midnight crater]

I'm just at the HA cli

I added the dns server 8.8.8.8. Saw people mention that but no success with that either.

[proven grove]

What do you get if you do a ha network info?

[midnight crater]

I can't post an image, but it shows

docker info,
host_interface: true
interfaces:
-connected: true
enabled: true
interfaces
ipv4
ipv6
supervisor_internet: true

[proven grove]

No IP information?

[midnight crater]

It shows my ip address in the ipv4 and ipv6

[brazen herald]

Sounds like a DNS issue to me, or you got (temporarily) blocked for too many requests to the servers

Try switching your DNS to 1.1.1.1

[midnight crater]

Okay I'm trying 1.1.1.1

[teal rapids]

i can't seem to upgrade to 7.2. I keep getting this:
Error in database connectivity during commit: Error executing query: (sqlite3.OperationalError) unable to open database file (Background on this error at: https://sqlalche.me/e/20/e3q8). (retrying in 3 seconds)

after the last time i got this, i did a restore from the night before, which also didn't quite work, but a hard reboot stabilized everything

not sure what to do

i also cannot soft restart in this state:

Failed to restart Home Assistant
[Errno 5] I/O error: '/config/configuration.yaml'

[midnight crater]

Okay it eventually made it through the installation and I was able get setup. But it is saying "Unhealthy system - supervisor update failed"

Showing that I am on 2024.06.2

But at least I'm in!

[restive raft]

Hey, im trying to Install Home Assistant on a Raspi 4B - I always get Errors while installing.. Here my logs:
http://pastie.org/p/6vSpdbR7tiGsHwXsdn52OH

It's conncted via Ethernet to the Router and got enough Power via USB C 🙂

[raven forge]

Use a proper paste site.

[tender wren]

Please use a code sharing site. I will not download random files

[humble scaffold]

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language, and consider picking a longer expiry)
• http://pastie.org/ (select YAML for the language)
• https://paste.debian.net/ (you guessed it, select YAML as the language)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

[restive raft]

Sorry, its now on pastie 🙂

[tender wren]

That doesn't look like a fresh install. More like a failed backup restore

[restive raft]

Strange - Did a fresh Install to the SD-Card for the first time..

Can I restart the installation?

[tender wren]

Reflash the SD card

[restive raft]

Ok

[proven grove]

Yeah, that's not a fresh install at all.

[restive raft]

So strange - new raspi + new sd 😄

Should I try Etcher instead of Raspi Imager?

[proven grove]

Raspi imager should be fine. Did you have an existing installation there already?

[restive raft]

Nope - First time in my life xD

[tender wren]

Reflash it with the RPi Imager (the image for the Pi4) and make sure iit has internet access when starting the Pi

[restive raft]

It's new flashed - I will try it again - Ethernet is plugged in

SanDisk Extreme 128GB A2 should make no problems or?

"Preparing Home Assistant
This may take up to 20 minutes"

[tender wren]

And now... patience

[restive raft]

It's working 🙂 Ty

[long wyvern]

After a power outage, HomeAssistant refuses to load without going to safe mode. The only error in the log that could be relevant is The system could not validate that the sqlite3 database at //config/home-assistant_v2.db was shutdown cleanly

I've tried removing the database completely and rebooting, but safe mode and the error reappear after the reboot. Anyone have any other suggestions?

While NTP is active, it appears the time zone is no longer set correctly. Console shows TZ is Etc/UTC instead of what I configured.
edit, the console is the host itself. I'm reading that the TZ in the host is always UTC, the containers are wher the TZ offset is utilized

[tender wren]

Have you tried a full reboot instead of a HA restart?

[long wyvern]

Yes, sorry. Reboot was what i actually meant.

[tender wren]

I have to leave soon. But to have the info for others available:
what installation type do you have? Core, Container, Supervised or HAOS?

[long wyvern]

HAOS running on an ESXi VM. Thanks for the attention!

[tender wren]

It is still complaining about the database, even though you deleted it?

[long wyvern]

Correct.

If it helps, our internet was still down when I was attempting to bring HomeAssistant back up. Now that we have internet again, I"m revisiting this issue.

[tender wren]

As it is a VM...
I wouldn't tinker much with it and create a new one and restore a backup (an up-to-date one, downloaded before the incident/before deleting the old VM)

[long wyvern]

Output of ha host info - https://pastebin.com/t3q2rVYv

I don't have a recent full backup, but I can manage to get back up to date with what I have

on a side note, I remember a heated discussion about certain install types being "utter bullshit". Can you remind me what the suggested installation type was? They trash-talked my HAOS install, but I hadn't had any issues thus far.

[tender wren]

It is totally fine to run HAOS in a VM

[long wyvern]

Trying to find the super-convienant download page

[tender wren]

HAOS: convenient, but limited on the OS level, has add-ons
Container: less convenient, full control on the OS level, has no add-ons (as you already can use containers)
Core: not recommended for endusers. More for developers - you have to keep track of all requirements
Supervised: not recommended for anyone. breaks easily if requirements are not met. Illusion of more control

[long wyvern]

Github is sufficiant.

[tender wren]

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/

Github for HAOS?

[long wyvern]

aha, it must have been the container version they were suggesting

https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases

[tender wren]

https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases/tag/12.4

[long wyvern]

there don't appear to be any download links (to github or otherwise) on https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/ . Just instructions.

[tender wren]

There are links embedded in the instructions

[long wyvern]

ahh, that's where I tripped up. I didn't necessarily need the instructions so I didn't check those.

[long wyvern]

Is it normal for HAOS to take roughly 15 minutes to actually respond to the web server after the console prompt loads and says supervisor has been started?

[humble mirage]

Not normal, unless you run on a toaster or have wet string for internet

[long wyvern]

oh, so it's internet dependant?
It didn't take very long to load after this fresh install, but while the internet was out it took FOREVER

[humble mirage]

Well, sort of

The problem is that the integration use Python libraries, and those have to be downloaded when they're set up - or when the container is rebuilt

So a full restart that results in the containers being rebuilt will result in downloads

[long wyvern]

I self-host everything on this network - DNS/DHCP/NTP
We were affected by the hurricane, power was out for about 6 hours, but after power came back WAN was still down for 4 days. If the docker host didn't have internet, I don't see how that could trigger a container update

[humble mirage]

It may have tried and fallen back to anything cached, without logs it's all just guessing

[long wyvern]

I understand, hard to diagnose without symptoms.
odd thing, just FYI I guess -
After the power outage, I couldn't get HA to boot without going into safe mode. It was complaining about 'couldn't verify sqlite3 database was cleanly unmounted'
After creating a new VM and installing HAOS, I mounted the old disk as a secondary drive - which HAOS happily used as the system disk.. (Boot partition on new disk, all data partitions were mounted from old disk automatically)
and HA loaded just fine. All my addons, automations, configuration, recorder database, EVERYTHING worked.

Do you know if the backup restore process checks hashes of the backup?
I'm considering repackaging core_ssh.tar with my ssh authorized_keys file

[humble mirage]

I doubt it, I've seen nothing to suggest it stores any hashes

[long wyvern]

I'm thinking the default 2GB ram is too low for this install

[dusk herald]

Will I need the IKEA hub/app to use IKEA's zigbee switches to change color and turn on/off the IKEA lamps?

[humble mirage]

No

You can use a #zigbee-archived coordinator with ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

That channel can help further