hardware-archived

[half raptor]

I'm still learning about ESP32

don't know if there is a better company that is "buy and just use" out there that I don't know about

[tepid heart]

There's the Shelly Uni. My advice would be keep learning the ESP. ESPHome just keeps getting better and better.

[tranquil crow]

Hi, I bought a garage door opener but I cannot find entities that open or close. How do I fix it

[tepid heart]

#zigbee-archived may be able to help

[near dirge]

Anybody using/tried the Aqara blind driver E1? Last I checked it doesn't update the position of the cover in HA if it's set manually. Is this still the case or are there any workarounds that have been developed?

[rich venture]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005262421075.html
had anyone tried using this as smart thermostat/ home assistant interface

[glacial oracle]

I should have. It's tuya stuff 🤮

On the good side it's significantly cheaper than aquara gear and it worked flawless to integrate with zha

[tepid heart]

Tuya zigbee is ok. It's their locked down wifi api that is shitful.

[coarse bay]

I have a strange problem with my IKEA TRADFRI LED bulb E27 1055 lumen, dimmable, white spectrum. If I make a light card, and just have it switch the bulbs, they always turn on at very low intensity, like 10%. But the slider is at 100%. If I touch the slider, they light up at 100%. But if I turn them off and on again, they are again very dim. I could call the turn-on service instead, but then I can't turn them off with the same button... Am I missing something?

[rapid wadi]

i really wanted some of their GU10 RGBW but they never seem to be in stock 😦
are there any other brands that have the same features ?

[cold moon]

https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/wled-gu10-rgbcw

lumens arent the best but i have two in a half bath and they work well

[rapid wadi]

thankyou, sadly thats a US basd link, im in the UK..
was looking at these instead https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09M3677F7/ref=ewc_pr_img_2?smid=A36SQ6NXACWNJI&psc=1
and then flash them ? .. smartlife stuff can sometimes be flashable !

so hard to tell 😦

[cold moon]

buy them from alie

[exotic cave]

Any idea what the best integrated robomops are?

[cold moon]

it's a bitch but openvaletudo flashed on roborock seem to be the best

[cold moon]

https://github.com/Hypfer/Valetudo

[exotic cave]

Looks like it's just disassembly and flashing? I can deal with that

[gritty fjord]

Has anyone tried these switches in the US ? SONOFF ZBMINI ZigBee Mini Smart Light Switch(2 Way), Compatible with Alexa, SmartThings Hub, Google Home & SONOFF ZBBridge, ZigBee 3.0 Hub Required, Neutral Wire Required, 2-Pack https://a.co/d/e3oxnPn

[glacial oracle]

yes

they probably work the same as in other parts of the world

[olive sluice]

Hi, anyone know/has experience with a wrgb bulb that could work with home assistant in the « G4 » format ? Zigbee would be even better, but the form factor make me doubt it’s even possible…

[patent river]

That one in the picture apparently comes in a Tuya WiFi version, which is a solid "maybe" for compatibility...

This page says zigbee, but also bluetooth and wifi, so who knows: https://www.lutou-tech.com/products/bluetooth-wifi-led-color-G4-bulb/

[olive sluice]

It’s this one right ?

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ETL-IP65-Ceramic-Smart-WiFi-Control_1600236021642.html?spm=a2706.7843667.0.0.62ce15fbLcCZef

Really look sketchy, hoped someone else had been on this quest before 😅

[patent river]

I also found this page
https://www.superbrightleds.com/g4-led-smart-bi-pin-bulb-rgbw-color-changing-hubless-alexa-google-assistant-wi-fi-compatible-bluetooth-controller

[olive sluice]

Look really similar, probably drop shipping ?

2x 1 star review 😭

[patent river]

Well one says 2W and the other 3W

But the US-based site is offering a 3y warranty

[olive sluice]

Yeah, I’m in Europe, I’ll have to pay twice the price of the bulb for shipping anyway

Lovely

[patent river]

I'm in New Zealand, so I feel your pain there

[olive sluice]

Well anyway, if someone have already tried some G4 rgbw connected bulb, please reach out !

[patent river]

Found another one.
https://focusledlighting.com/products/smart-spotlight-g4.html
Part number that only a mother could love: K22-GU4-RGBCW2250G-AT2.5-D360

And one more with a stupidly high pricetag (but free shipping, which might make up for it)
https://sincelight.com/products/wifi-led-smart-g4-bulb-rgb-3000k-changeable-1

[stable lily]

You should be able to change that in: Settings > Devices and Services > Zigbee Home Automation > click on devices > click on the Ikea bulb > look for Configuration section. On mine there are 5 settings for bulb start-up behaviour

[dreamy nimbus]

Is there a preferred z-wave front door lock you guys recommend. I'm on my 3rd schalge z-wave through warranty. Initially, it was chewing through batteries and then it became unresponsive. Looking for something more reliable.

[autumn axle]

Anyone found a matter or Zigbee lighting scene controller that works with HA? Looking for a 1-gang US solution to set HA scenes

[coarse bay]

Thanks, I'll try that 😊

[olive sluice]

Damn, they’re quite obscure and not really documented…
You think this could be a solution ?

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/252840140853?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=709-127639-2357-0&ssspo=dDiCm2ixRH2&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=iyvmknrhtji&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[patent river]

Aren't those G4 lamps usually 12V?

[olive sluice]

They are, so the sheer existence of this is confusing me

Is there 12V E27 light bulbs ?

Ok there is. But I can’t see any decent connected ones… Damn that lamp is a pain

[olive sluice]

Well, I’ll go with this one and document my findings for the next one who try this. Thanks for the help.

[glacial oracle]

G4 also comes in 230v

[wooden ruin]

I bought a fire tablet max 11 during this black friday and am using it as a home assistant tablet. Fire toolbox worked great, just make sure to check the box of not including your account pre loaded during ordering and not connect to wifi when you boot it

Is there a way to use wakeword with tablets?

[gritty fjord]

Are they really good as they claim to be ? I am confused between choosing this vs a 2 gang smart switch. Any caveats to the ZBMini?

[frigid magnet]

Is anyone elses Skyconnect not loading up. Mine randomly stopped working. I can get it to be recognized by USB and COM port in my pc but when I click to update firmware from the website it just loads forever.

[near dirge]

Hi, I'm considering either Aqara E1 or Tuya AM43 blind drivers for my home. Does anyone have any experience with either of these models??

[glacial oracle]

From the limited stuff I managed to test with em, they works advertised for the most part. Id not trust it to switch near full load but that's just me
Some people switch the firmware
Only major disadvantage I found is the device size making installation kinds difficult if there isjt massive space

[haughty quail]

Hi guys, I recently got some zigbee smart light switch modules (from the Avatto brand). They worked perfectly at first, but we had a smart power outage this morning (just a flicker off and on) and the module I had installed seems to have died... The LED no longer lights up at all. Is this normal with such switch modules, or did I just buy a super shitty type? I have the no neutral type if that matters...

I honestly thought the thing to worry about was connectivity, and that if it consistently stays connected to HA over zigbee, then I'm in the clear... But now having to worry about power outages has me quite concerned 😅

[formal dagger]

gonna give it a try again 🙂

[warm elm]

Is there a preferred wifi or zigbee relay switch that can be powered by 5V usb for HA?

I need to wire a few dry contact switches from an Energy Recovery Ventilator and I don’t have line/neutral available from a circuit

[formal dagger]

something like this?

https://www.philips-hue.com/en-us/p/hue-philips-hue-wall-switch-module/046677571160

or does it need to let energy trough ?

[warm elm]

I don’t know if that’s exactly it. I was thinking/reading something like this :

https://a.co/d/9qNxbhS

[warm elm]

There currently is no switch there, to make smart. I need to add a switch but don’t have typical electrical to support what a smart light switch would require, for example

[cold moon]

https://www.lilygo.cc/products/t-relay there are boards with multiple relays that you can run esphome on

[warm elm]

Someone is saying it should be zero minimum load. I’m not sure what that means or if this relay fits that

Im being told that based on the diagram it looks like those switches are interrupting the circuit which is powered separately

[zealous dune]

Not those because they sneakily adapted the USB port to work with their custom flashing dongle

[warm elm]

Thinking this based on all the info I’m gathering:
Dry contact
Wifi

MHCOZY eWelink app WiFi Smart Dry Contact Relay Switch Module,Work with Alexa Assistant (5-32V 1 Channel) https://a.co/d/9urOBGW

[zealous dune]

That's probably not an ESP WiFi module and I never saw that one before

[formal dagger]

whats your project, maybe we can help

[warm elm]

How do I confirm if ESP wifi?

Also, if it works with Alexa, why do I need ESP?

I have the back door Alexa integration working well

It seems like I can’t find something that is both listed as dry contact, esp, and takes external power from a USB or similar.

[devout parrot]

Pretty sure the board smarthomesellout posted earlier can be configured to work as a dry contact.

[warm elm]

I’m trying wire 2 switches for my Panasonic ERV, for the on/off and boost. My research tells me it needs to be dry contact. I also would like it to be wifi. I do not need a physical switch. I do not have a switch box pre wired for it, so no line/neutral to grab. So 5V usb power or similar would be good

[steel zealot]

You can buy a 2 relay esp board

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLAch72

[warm elm]

That looks appropriate. Can’t confirm if it’s “dry contact” though. Do you know ?

[steel zealot]

The relay is a dry contact you have common NO and NC as you can see on picture 5

[warm elm]

How does it get power ? Could I use a 5V usb 2 wire kit? Something like this?

USB 2.0 Male Bare Cable Pigtail Open End Extension Cables 5V 3A Power Charge Wires DIY Connector Replacement Cable Cord 18AWG -2pcs (0.3M) https://a.co/d/ineRpQB

[patent river]

I see a terminal block right underneath your red circle that says it provides 24V AC to power the thermostat
Here's a cheap 24VAC->5VDC converter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TLLB35X

[warm elm]

I’m running 14/2 wire from the ERV to the furnace already; which tells the furnace fan to run whenever the ERV has power.

My understand is that the on/off switch and boost switch are separate from the HVAC/AHU connection. Sorry the instructions suck for this thing

[rich ruin]

Hey guys I bought a Beelink Nuc to use as my home assistant install. It looks like the options are use ubunto live and install it that way or use an external ssd enclosure. And flash it right from there. I actually have a 256 SSD and I have enclosures too. The beelink came with a 500 GB SSD I'm just wondering how much space I actually need for home assistant directly on a Nuc. Can I use that 256 GB ssd I have or should I go with the 500 GB SSD that came with it.

[golden thorn]

HAOS requires (recommends) 32GB. When you want to run lots of addons you might need a bit more. Are you comfortable/interested with/in virtualization?

[rich ruin]

I kinda know how to do it but a few years ago I used it on a VM and had so many problems. I had to start from scratch two times then kinda gave up on it that's why I figured I would just install it on it's on device. I already bought it. It was cheap and more powerful than a raspberry Pi.

What's so much better about using VM's vs putting it on a barebones system. I plan on buying the could feature and supporting them so if something happens I shouldn't have to start from scratch.

[golden thorn]

That's why I recommend virtualization. The hardware is likely "too powerful" for just HA but it also works bare metal, of course.
256GB should be more than enough if you don't abuse HA as a NAS or NVR.

[rich ruin]

*cloud.

Yeah, I have a NAS for Plex but just with my bad experience before I figured the 100 bucks was worth it I know it's overkill. But I already have it and don't need to dedicate some of my hardware to it from my Nas.

[golden thorn]

Why virtualize: #installation-archived message
I'm not aware that the cloud feature acts as a backup.

[rich ruin]

Oh really? I thought that was one of the main points. I didn't back it up before which is why I had to start from scratch.

[golden thorn]

Nope: https://www.nabucasa.com/

[rich ruin]

I'll look more into it but it's a paid small cloud service why would it not back up your install? Lol

[golden thorn]

You have to ask them. Some people's databases alone are in the double digits GB range and there's already an integrated backup feature.

[rich ruin]

Yeah, I'll do more research and back it up often to my nas anyway. I would like to support the dev and it's not much. Has some cool features even if they don't back up your system.

I'm sure there's a way to back it up daily to another computer. I just haven't looked into it yet. As I said I had a bad experience a few years back but I'm much more tech savvy now. I just wanted it barebones even if its overkill.

[golden thorn]

Your choice. Just wanted to inform you of (in my mind) better ways. As long as you run a supported installation method you should be fine.
I'd recommend adding your NAS as backup storage and making backups to it:

• https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2023/06/07/release-20236/#connect-and-use-your-existing-network-storage
• https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/os/#network-storage
  I'd still be curious what problems you had if you want to share.

[raw cosmos]

Hello, I currently have my pergola setup that opens and closes at the roof like in the image and I want to make it smart and control the open and close like the shutters. Can I do it with a Shelly Plust 2PM (https://kb.shelly.cloud/knowledge-base/shelly-plus-2pm) and if so how is the connectivity gonna be?

[rich ruin]

I don't really remember the specifics that was my first experience with VMS though and it got messed up twice. And I didn't back it up. My nas isn't a commercial one it's got 98 TB but I'm running it on Windows. I hope I can auto backup to that. That's all gonna come later though first order of business is taking apart this Beelink and flashing HA to the SSD.

If I could go back I would have installed unraid or something but I used windows and a windows only pooling software called Stable bit and it's extremely hard to migrate to Unraid. Stable Bit is great though it makes my 14 drives even USB drives that are not recommended for Unraid. And duplicates all the files and makes everything in one folder. Everything is working great so I just don't see a need to go through the hassle of using Unraid.

Someone gave me an older enterprise server that I know nothing about but I want to learn so I'll have that set up in the next few weeks. I will definitely use that for backing up.

There are no options that I'm going to lose by going barebones right?

I'm not that familiar with proxmox I could technically install that on this Beelink too right?

[golden thorn]

Yep

[rich ruin]

The main question is is there any options I would lose running barebones? What would the advantage be for installing proxmox?

I plan on only using this for HA

[golden thorn]

See my link from earlier. You don't directly lose anything. Just miss out on benefits

[rich ruin]

I read them but didn't see any benefits what are the benefits?

[golden thorn]

you get full backups, snapshots, a build in monitor to debug. You can also better utilize the hardware. Not every service (very few imho) are feasible to run inside HAOS

easy troubleshooting (basically a build in monitor and keyboard), snapshots to test and then potentially revert things you otherwise would be too afraid to try. The ability to backup a whole machine and run other VMs/Containers and so on

I recommend running critical/unrelated things (adguard, unifi or bitwarden for example) or those that require flexibility outside of HAOS if you can as these will go down on OS updates. You can't do that with a bare metal HAOS install.
Some of my previous answers to why run HAOS virtualized. Just some of the benefits and reasons why I recommend it.
Also see posts like these which you can find with queries like virtualization benefits: https://old.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/qw4bqn/why_use_virtual_machines/
I recommend Proxmox VE. Here's a quick start guide for HA: https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/10/home-assistant-proxmox-ve-8-0-quick-start-guide-2.html
Even if you only run HAOS I would recommend it due to the benefits. And here's why I wouldn't run HAOS bare-metal without those benefits:

• #1252538816204509195 message
• #1252538816204509195 message
• #1252538816204509195 message
• https://community.home-assistant.io/t/cannot-install-supervisor-2024-11-3-hassos/793231/26

[rich ruin]

I don't plan on using it for anything besides HA. I have a bunch of old laptops running Linux and stuff. And mini computers. Snapshots means it backs it up automatically? And the other pros are I have another IP address to check on it? I have a Nuc. It's not super powerful I probably would have bought something else if I was going to do Proxmox. Can't I see the CPU usage and memory usage and right on Home Assistant? I'm learning about proxmox looks cool for a stronger machine. Better than the VMS I used on Windows. I used the software that goes right on Windows when I had the problems. I think HA running barebones on this NUC would have plenty of resources. It makes better use of the hardware running proxmox and HA? I would think that running one own OS would be better.

I actually have another mini PC that I don't have a use for not sure how powerful it is but would be interested in using proxmox. I've been playing with kali and would like to make other VMS. I just don't know if this 100 dollar NUC is the best device for proxmox.

[golden thorn]

Snapshots and backups are different but both can be used to restore a previous state. A snapshot is more like a bookmark while a backup is a copy. Both have their merits.
Better use of the hardware because you can run more than just HAOS on it. If all you want to run is HAOS then yes that's not a point and only more work.
You still have the other benefits though and your plans might change later if an addon is too restrictive, not available or something like listed above. Like I said I can only give you pointers. It's up to you to research and make a decision. I don't want to coerce/nudge anyone into doing something they're not happy with.

don't know if this 100 dollar NUC is the best device for proxmox.
If you give me more information about it I can tell you more. If it has less than 4 threads or 8GB RAM (PVE itself uses 1GB~) I probably wouldn't recommend it.

[rich ruin]

It's 8 gb ram 500 GB ssd and I think 11th gen 95 nuc.

[zealous dune]

12th gen 😉 and its great for proxmox

[rich ruin]

Yeah actually is 12th gen.

I just figured building a proxmox setup on something with more power. Do you think I could add a windows VM or Linux for trying to hack? I just feel like there's not enough resources.

I could probably upgrade the ram I'm not positive though.

[zealous dune]

only if you plan to use them 24/7 simultaneously

[rich ruin]

Yeah could just turn them off when not using and use it for HA 24/7 how much resources should I give to HA if I do this?

[golden thorn]

I use 2G and 2 cores for my test VM. You can always change it later. Also use ballooning and KSM to stretch the RAM

[steel zealot]

USB 2.0 Male Bare Cable Pigtail Open End...

[worthy lily]

hi, i bought some smart plugs that came pre flashed with esp home.

I'm not sure what I've done but i think I've somehow reset the firmware on them so now they are showing under wifi ssids as "esp-xxxxx" that i can connect to.

When i navigate to the device via ip there is no web server , is there a way i can flash these wirelessly?

[winged knoll]

The ESPHome Discord can help there

[acoustic ice]

https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/04/hands-on-beelink-mini-pcs-for-proxmox-home-assistant-and-plex.html

[gritty fjord]

Is tuya smart devices a good brand ? I an new to HA and I am looking for something affordable and tuya seems to have a competitive price point but i am concerned about privacy however i use Zigbee so should that not be a concern then?

[golden thorn]

Some of their devices are good (or good enough). Zigbee devices themselves are no privacy concern. If you use a tuya hub then that differs.

[winged knoll]

The WiFi devices .... not so much

[gritty fjord]

Cool! I am just shopping around for smart switches and motion sensors!

[gritty fjord]

Nope I use my own conbee II gateway

It always make me think (probably I am just over thinking) since I am new to HA which is hardwires to my router via ethernet and it has Internet access and what stops the devices that are integrated with HA to talk to some random cloud server (not just Tuya but in general) ?

[winged knoll]

Well, HA does

If the devices don't connect to your WiFi (or wired) network, then they cannot communicate out

They don't know how, they have no capability to do so

[gritty fjord]

Yea HA does talk to other cloud services but you are saying the devices don’t if they are not connected to WiFi correct?

[winged knoll]

Correct

[gritty fjord]

Thank you

[cold moon]

does it really matter after initial flash since you can OTA?

you just gotta buy their extra stupid dongle right?

[rich ruin]

This keeps taking about the model above what I have with the n100 mine was entry-level and has an n95 but it probably not that much of a difference.

[golden thorn]

See for yourself: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5206vs5157/Intel-N95-vs-Intel-N100

[glacial oracle]

its comparable, somewhat more efficient

i recommend adjusting the fan curves on those beelink devices

[zealous dune]

Just... Or choose a device where you don't have to do that at all

[devout parrot]

Not a fan of that. If they're not going to put USB to serial on the board they should leave the UART pins available for people who don't want to pay for their little contraption.

Though they do show the pinout right there on the website and USB C breakout boards are cheap.

Or, yes, you could just not buy a device that tries to make you buy a goofy adapter.

[jolly inlet]

Has anyone been able to integrate HA with Enbrighten's Single-Outlet WiFi Smart Plugs? I just got off the telephone with GE/Jasco and I feel like I lost 50 IQ points.

and I'm not interested in installing another stupid app to control a smart plug.

(or to connect it to my Wifi IoT network.)

[neon dagger]

anyone have any experience with a humidity and temperature sensor with a display that can survive a sauna? I've tried the Shelly H&T and it's not working really

[shell tide]

Looking to add my Honeywell Lyric T10 with remote sensors and the thermostat added but not the remote sensors. The IoX/PG3x integration sees the room sensors but not the HA. Is there a way to add to HA with the remote room sensors?

[shell tide]

Do you need the display in the Sauna? I would have a look at the YoLink YS8006 Range is -22°F - 122°F (-30°C - 50°C)

[neon dagger]

would be nice but i can live without it

[glacial oracle]

would that range even be enough for a sauna

[cold moon]

probably not if the integration (zigbee/zwave?) doesnt allow you to integrate them directly

oh it's wifi

ya no way in hell the sensors can be added separately but an integration might allow them to be used

did you add them via homekit controller?

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/homekit_controller/ this

[shell tide]

Seems like the integration should add the sensors, the one for IoX/PG3 does, but I am trying to move from IoX to HA

[cold moon]

is it https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/honeywell/ this integration?

the total connect?

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/honeywell/#sensor it does show the sensors coming in

cloud polling integration rip

[shell tide]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/lyric

That one

[cold moon]

how long has it been up

maybe it needs a bit for the cloud polling to update

[shell tide]

A few days

Looking at the homekit version, thank you.

[grizzled mantle]

Anybody here use Abode for their security and use the zigbee hub they provide? Wondering if I can get rid of my hubitat and just run with the Adobe hub for a few years

[cold moon]

i'd move to fully local regardless (homekit controller)

ecobee thermostats are commonly connected locally over wifi the same way

[shell tide]

That is my goal

[vocal lava]

is anyone aware of a zigbee stick that is connected via ethernet rather than usb?

[cold moon]

ya dude buy a tube PoE coordinator

[vocal lava]

thats what it was called

knew there was one but couldnt remember tha name

[cold moon]

https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p7-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/

i would personally suggest this one, especially for use with zigbee2mqtt

i also own it and beta tested it for a while

[vocal lava]

ok cool

its only poe correct?

[cold moon]

yeah

it's an olimex esp32 PoE with a hat on it for zigbee basically

[vocal lava]

so I would need an injector most likely

[cold moon]

i use a unifi PoE switch but ya you'd need an injector if you dont have any poe switch

[vocal lava]

doubt my switch will reach as far as i need it

[cold moon]

this is what it looks like inside hass

[vocal lava]

or more realistic it goes through a bunch of patch panels so idk how good it will be

[cold moon]

idk

[vocal lava]

either way this is what im lookin for so ty

[cold moon]

ye

works well

do you have a 3d printer?

[vocal lava]

laughs in way too many spools of pla

[cold moon]

tube ships them with a little 3d printed case but my buddy edited the f3d file to add mounting holes

[vocal lava]

oh sick

[cold moon]

if you could do a better job i'll send the f3d files 😛

https://tenor.com/btXDp.gif

[quiet stratus]

I'm trying to setup a stream deck on a separate RPi4 using the custom github repo. Could anyone point me to where/how to ask questions about this configuration? Thanks.

[peak swan]

I've got a ceiling fan (not smart) with no wall switch, just pull cords on it. I'm trying to find a way to control it, turn on and off the light, fan speed, and direction. I'm not sure what these devices do, is this going in the right direction? https://www.shelly.com/en-us/products/shop/shelly-dimmer2-use

[quiet stratus]

Although I've never used Shelly devices on a fan, I've used them in many projects to remotely turn things off and on. Just watch the voltage and amp ratings.

[cold moon]

https://sonoff.tech/product/diy-smart-switches/ifan04-l/ flashed with https://github.com/rh1rich/esphome-ifan04

[cold moon]

it's not just voltage and amp ratings it's the inrush current (like < 3 amp is commonly supported for fans)

[peak swan]

That makes sense! Thank you! 🙂

[cold moon]

most relays just cant handle it i think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIB3kWqqAzE

this covers it pretty well (using a smart plug)

[peak swan]

Ah ha! Now I know what inrush current is! Thankya! 🙂

[cold moon]

yea he's really good at breaking things down in an easy to digest way

[cold moon]

https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-800-series-z-wave-long-range-dc-signal-sensor this can be used to signal on existing smoke alarms with interconnect traveler wire being used

https://www.amazon.com/Z-Wave-Detector-Carbon-Monoxide-Generation/dp/B08FFB233Y there is also this zwave one

[stuck wren]

hello anyone know about fire alarm can use for home asssiant ? want know which kind of that thanks

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-rpx_syria-gif-19044194

[latent zenith]

im having trouble moving datadisk form external ssd to internal nvme any ideas?

[terse pebble]

Is the NVMe bigger than the external SSD?

[raw cosmos]

Shelly Plus 2PM

[jade jewel]

Anyone know if its possible to fit a shelly pro 4pm in a regular NA electrical box like a 3 gang or bigger?

I cannot find proper recessed din rail enclosures for these

[wispy vine]

You probably could, but I don’t know if that’d be a good idea. Why not get a bigger enclosure or a terminal box?

Something like this would be easier (although this could be a little bit smaller)? https://www.mcmaster.com/product/5376K631

(Also doesn’t have to as fancy, but again, it’s a guiding suggestion, not a direct recommendation)

[dry heron]

I have a Zooz Zen17 controlling my Chamberlin garage door since the MyQ drama. I seen an assortment of threads discussing setting the device_class to garage, as it is now defined as a switch. If I can get it set to garage then Alexa will allow pin usage. This worked fine on my previous SmartThings setup. I am on 2023.11.3 Any suggestions? thanks..

[winged knoll]

Probably more a topic for #zwave-archived since that's a Z-Wave device, but switches don't have a device class

[dry heron]

Thanks..

[vague steppe]

I just got myself Audio+ v2 by Raspiaudio, plugged it into my old r/pi-2 - and it immediately started overheating. Specifically, the AMS1117 chip (voltage regulator).

Any idea what the problem might be? Have I got a bad sample or am I missing something?

https://raspiaudio.com/produit/audio

[jagged crypt]

something is shorting, would just replace it. I've got a couple hifiberry dac's in pi3b+'s, anda pirate audio dac on a zero. Also used a hifiberry dac + amp without any issues.

[hallow tapir]

Is there something like Sensibo that connects via ethernet? I really don't need anymore 2.4ghz devices saturating the network I just want to run my mini split with some brains

[tepid heart]

ESPHome can control many split systems. https://esphome.io/components/climate/climate_ir.html

[hallow tapir]

ok thanks hopefully I can muddle my way through this.

[jade jewel]

Would not look good in every room visible and you cant put those in closets by code

[tepid heart]

#diy-archived should be able to,help also there is an ESPHome Discord server.

[outer knot]

ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32, with a native integration for Home Assistant.

You can find their documentation here, and get help with ESPHome itself here in the #diy-archived channel (#integrations-archived for the Home Assistant side integration with it). They also have their own Discord server too.

[hallow tapir]

thanks I've been meaning to learn about this anyways so its time to just jump in

[wispy vine]

@jade jewel Why do you need it in every room? What are you trying to do? And yeah, I’m not familiar with the code and “smart devices”, what are you referring to? NEC/NFPA? If yes, do you mind sharing the sections? I’m curious 🙂

[formal dagger]

Question i want a pressure mat for under my bed i have a withings 1 that does that, but it doesnt work with my reverse proxy setup, it doesnt respond to my subdomain does some1 know a alternative that works with zigbee ?

no DIY quz my crafting skills suck

using this 1 atm
https://www.withings.com/eu/en/sleep-analyzer

hmm could also combine it with ifttt :/

[jade jewel]

Its a new construction and rather than getting all wires to a central place I wanted to keep each smart device in its own room with its own switch so essentially only 2 wires going to each room would be a romex and a fiber.

I dont remember the exact code number but by code you cannot put a junction box or a subpanel in a closet

Junction boxes and sub panels needs to accessible without having to move anything and should not be near anything which could ignite so clothes in a closet will be why its a violation

I will let you know the exact code when I get back from work

[mellow swallow]

I am thinking about ways to make my gas heating "smart", i have wired KNX and added floor heating this year, now i am thinking about a way to "request" heating from my gas heating when there is a need to, turning it on.
I had one of these room thermostats from before the remodeling and just adde a knx relais to simply turn it off and on, on being in the state of "please heat until 30c° is reached, which never happens". Now i wonder if it could damage the gas heater opening and closing the circuit.. Weird that nobody on the internet seems to have gone that approach yet, atleast i can't find any documented case of such smart automation...

[gloomy spoke]

that's delightfully retro

I don't see how that could be a problem, but it's not far off from just replacing the whole thing with a set of remote-controllable relays. Which somebody shared here recently

you're just adding yet another set of relays in series

[mellow swallow]

well i don't really know the internals of this viessmann controller, but it should in theory just send on / off, looking at the red light on the thing

it has 3 connections, so not just a simple relais

hate knx for this stupid thing tho, the mdt temperature controler has no "output" that goes high if any circuit is turned on, i'd need to buy a seperate logic module to or-chain all the 8 inputs... thank god there is home assistant 😄

[cold moon]

i think a group would be helpful for the trigger lol

plus idk why your if is necessary

it's gonna trigger on any of those entities

[mellow swallow]

oh i am turning on / off based if any is on, dont want two different automations

(there is an else to turn off )

[cold moon]

ah ok

[tacit burrow]

My tapo smart switch went nuts yesterday, just started switching on/off every second or two. Most annoying, since my internet/router/ha was on that plug...

[cold moon]

i use trigger IDs and a "choose" action instead to accomplish the same thing

[mellow swallow]

can't seem to find the post you relate to

[gloomy spoke]

It was a couple of months ago. They posted a picture

[mellow swallow]

i think i figured the pinout, it has ground, L and N, .. thats why its 3 pins, not sure why that device needs ground tho XD

well, but nvm, if its just a relais it shouldnt harm to add another relais, atleast i can see the state on the thermostat led that way 😄

since i am close to completing eletric wiring in my house i was wondering about room tracking / presence.. i was looking for ways to put esp32 in the celing, preferable where lamps are at but stumbled upon the shelly plus minis... has anybody sucessfully converted shelly plus pm mini to tasmota and can tell how well ble tracking over wifi works on these small devices?

[devout parrot]

I don't think the Shellys are capable of that. If you want to use ble for presence detection look into espresence

Or just use mmwave sensors

[ashen apex]

Probably a bit too specific for Discord, but anyone got any AU recommendations for ceiling fans with some sort of remote control (either smart or RF) that still have bulb recesses in them large enough to fit Hue bulbs? Looking to replace all my fans and don't know where I should start.

[rich ruin]

Would hardware like this work with home assistant?

I know it says tuya but but their all zigbee devices idk about the actual alarm mount though.

[zealous dune]

but this one has WiFi if the image is truthful

[winged knoll]

Tuya WiFi is a roll of the (pretty loaded) dice. Some stuff works with the official Tuya integration (that Tuya wrote then walked away from), most doesn't. Some more may work with their latest (custom) integration, but based on history probably not. Oh, and there's a bunch of local integrations that also have hit and miss support.

If you're happy knowing that you may buy a bunch of stuff that doesn't work with HA, or may only partially work, or may intermittently work when their cloud platform sulks... go for it

[rich ruin]

Yeah I could always sell it on eBay this whole kit I can get on Aliexpress with the Cyber Monday deal for 40 dollars looks like similar systems on eBay are 100 plus depending on how many sensors and this one has a ton for 40 bucks free shipping.

I think all the sensors are Zigbee I did buy a Zigbee said Tuya Human sensor device for like a dollar something ill see if it works. This looks like all the devices are Zigbee but the alarm is wifi.

Anything that says Zigbee/Tuya I should absolutely integrate right with a local Zigbee dongle.

Am I correct in that assumption?

Because they are just saying Tuya because it can integrate with Tuya.

[winged knoll]

For Zigbee stuff always go direct

Your assumption about them being Zigbee though ... that's optimistic

They may well be RF433 or similar

(that'd explain the low price)

[rich ruin]

The one human detection sensor I actually want to use specifically said Zigbee I'm thinking about buying this thing to sell tbh I don't really need an alarm.

[winged knoll]

Wouldn't be the first time Tuya's got the hardware details wrong 😛

[tepid heart]

Check out Milo Minderbinder over here,

[rich ruin]

Yeah, this specific alarm doesn't say Zigbee. But the other sensor I got specifically did. This alarm says it's compatible with Alexa and google home though.

[winged knoll]

Well, that just means the main unit uses WiFi

[rich ruin]

Yeah think I might just buy to sell. Someone will enjoy it who doesn't care about HA integration.

I bought a bunch of stuff off Aliexpress and turned a profit. Just sold some no-name but feature full headphones. It has a mirror and a flash light you can charge your phone with it so it's a battery block too with fast charging. They have the choice things where you can get crazy low prices I got it for 1.83 and sold it right after I listed it for 16 plus shipping. Just did my first big transaction and got 100 of them from the main company that's made for bulk stuff got them for a little bit more actually with freight shipping and taxes. If this works out I might get that tax-exempt paperwork. I've been decluttering and selling stuff on eBay this is my first venture into actual resale. I'm so mad finding all this stuff I bought on Amazon like the same exact thing for a few bucks when I paid 20 plus. I don't mind waiting for the extra time. Name brand stuff seems like its always the same prices though but always free shipping so thinking about canceling prime. The customer service on Amazon is bomb though. I suspect aliexpress customer service blows and returns probably suck and are expensive.

Got another Beelink and it was only a few bucks cheaper than Amazon. I just bought one for HA but I'm going to put a Linux Distro not sure which one yet and got an HDMI splitter for 3 dollars so I don't need to run my power-hungry gaming computer if I want to just browse the web. Plus I want more experience with Linux.

I'm pretty sure I have most of the sensors I need might buy more later but paid lots for the name-brand Samsung ones. That somethings hub is going on eBay as long as my washer and dryer which are wifi can connect right to HA does anyone know if that's the case? Do I need the hub to interact with their applications? Or can I connect it right to HA? Sorry I got off subject but that's a hardware question I need to know before I sell it. I got a Zigbee dongle and may get a Zwave one. The only Zwave product I have is a smart Smoke Alarm so I'm not jumping to buy one. That would be the only last thing I would need the hub for if my washer and dryer can be controlled by HA locally they connect via Wifi.

"Smart Things Hub

Might sell the zwave smoke alarm too. These devices because their zigbee I should be able to connect locally?

Or you think because it says its compatible with tuya and smart life you need to use those I want to run them locally to my HA. Because these fire alarms are definitely Zigbee. I paid like 90 dollars for a Zwave one. Only have the one about to jump on this deal if you guys think it will be able to connect right to HA?

Might just buy these and never have to buy a Zwave Dongle.

The description talks more about the Smart Life app which I've never even heard of.

Found a review saying specifically that they integrate with home assistant so if anyone needs some extra sensors they're super cheap on here.

[rich ruin]

My Zwave Alarm has CO2 as well but I don't even have gas it is electric everything.

Can someone who has Samsung Smart Appliances confirm if I can directly integrate them into HA I don't need the Smart Things Hub for this?

[mellow swallow]

they are 4mb dual core esp32's, pretty sure they should be able

[finite dock]

Hi, I would like to fully automate my heating. I plan on getting a full set of SonoffTRVs. If I want HA to be able to control the heating demand based on whether any rooms need heating, I am going to need a switch to replace the boiler thermostat. I was going to use a standard Zigbee relay to switch the boiler but someone said this is a bad idea. I am concerned that if I'm out and HA fails it might leave the boiler running always-on. Is there a better device to use to switch the boiler that would be safer?

[livid owl]

I would like to measure if my gate is opening or closing, preferably by measuring the power draw directly on the main board. Are ct clamps+esp the easiest way to do this?

[finite dock]

Are the motors AC or does the gate controller make DC and use that to drive the motor? A CT can't be used to measure DC and I think DC is quit likely as it enables reversing of the motor easily where AC doesn't

[livid owl]

I would be putting a CT clamp on the wire going from the main power board to the motor, so AC current

[finite dock]

Do you have the motor model?

[livid owl]

Somfy slidymoove 600

[finite dock]

I'm still not convinced it's an AC motor given that it can be solar powered and can reverse direction

[livid owl]

Its a DC motor, but converts incoming AC

Which is why I was wondering if using a CT clamp at the breaker in the main board is the easiest way

[shell tide]

Has anyone tried the Insteon integration with a serial to network device to connect the PLM to a HASS VM, like this?
https://forums.homeseer.com/forum/lighting-primary-technology-plug-ins/lighting-primary-technology-discussion/insteon-mnsandler/1354729-serial-plm-over-ethernet-yep

[strange garden]

Im looking to get rid of my Sengled Zigbee bulbs because of the "ON" status when there is a power outtage. I dont really care if its zigbee or Wifi, just need color. Any suggestions? Local if possible

[winged knoll]

Well, Zigbee is always local 😛

Hue, Tradfri (Ikea), and Innr all do that

[strange garden]

I use ZHA, any idea if the Ikea setting can be changed without having the hub?

[winged knoll]

#zigbee-archived would know

Zigbee2MQTT certainly can, so I'd be hopeful

[devout parrot]

Gledopto's RGBCCT bulbs also support configuring start-up behavior.

[winged knoll]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/supported-devices/#e=power_on_behavior has a lot of hits for you

[strange garden]

Oh cool thank you

[finite dock]

How is it attached to the mains?

[livid owl]

Directly connected to the breaker with a 230v ac cable

[devout parrot]

That's where you'd put the clamp, on the AC coming into the board. The board itself is probably going to be where the conversion from AC to DC is happening.

[finite dock]

Are you using the light output?

If the light comes on when the gate is opening or open, either pin 14 or 15 on the connector block will go mains-hot when that happens. That could be an indicator you could use

[wispy vine]

Ah, I see, okay. The code makes sense, yeah, I didn’t process what you’ve said yesterday. You could try a 3-4 gang, but honestly I’d just get a plastic junction box with a DIN rail and cut-outs with available/pre-installed cord grips and just live with the fact it might be a bit visible. Maybe you could place them closer to the ceiling and paint over the cover with the same color as the room it’s in

[livid owl]

I think there is a little misunderstanding. With main board I mean the wall mounted board with all the breakers, not a connection on the motor itself

[raw cosmos]

Any idea on this? #hardware-archived message

[livid owl]

So from this board a cable is feeding 230v to the motor, and it is on this cable I would use the clamp. I do also have a voltage sensor so using the light might also work

[mellow swallow]

argh, bricked the second shelly pm mini, trying to flash espresence OTA... so sad nobody has a guide for this yet :S time for some soldering action....

[jagged crypt]

I have some sonoff zgminil2 (no-neutral) zigbee's to install this weekend, no re-flashing required

[shell hearth]

Hi everyone, I kind of, sort of, got my raspberry pi3 home assistant pretty well setup. I've been trying to move it to a Dell optiplex and doing the migration thing didn't seem to work at all. Almost nothing transferred over. Is there a guide somewhere specifically for moving from pi to dell? Also, I'm a bit confused as to whether I should be using the optiplex exclusively for HA or if I should be running it in a container or docker or whatever so I can run some other stuff on the Dell, and/or use the pi3 to build a pie hole instead. Any links or guidance greatly appreciated. I have so little time and barely enough skill/knowledge to get things working.

[jagged crypt]

suggestion would be to install proxmox, a free hypervisor, and install HA inside that as a guest. Giving you some flexibility for future moves and resource allocation.

I did a pi3->vm install awhile back, but i started fresh instead of migration, so can't comment on backup on pi3, restore on fresh install on vm (though this is the recommended migration way last I checked)

[cold moon]

https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/10/home-assistant-proxmox-ve-8-0-quick-start-guide-2.html follow this to setup an haos VM inside proxmox and then setup a dockerhostVM or for simplicity use LXCs

https://tteck.github.io/Proxmox/ these scripts will also be helpful

[hollow stone]

does any one have a good recommendations for non hub/cloud wifi wall switches? I would like them to ideally fit in a dual gang box with a normal switch. Not too picky about looks other than it be an actual switch and not a touch pad

[cold moon]

Why Wi-Fi only?

[hollow stone]

I dont really want to deal with dongles or add ons to get everything to talk to ha. Im running HA as a vm on proxmox and right now I have some bt sensors working but dont want to think about bt wall switches.

[twin acorn]

what smart speaker has the most functionality with HA? I have a Homepod mini and a Google Nest Mini. Im not really into the google ecosystem so im trying to look at a better solution.

[jagged crypt]

you could look at the logitechmediaserver (aka squeezebox).

I run LMS on server, and have a number of clients in the house for music

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/squeezebox

[placid obsidian]

Im running haOS in a container on proxmox and ive passed through my on board bluetooth adapter. It shows in the terminal under lsusb but when I add the bt intergration it claims no adapters are found. is there something fancy we need to do to use onboard chips

[golden thorn]

haOS in a container on proxmox
Are you sure?
What does lsusb -vt say?

[indigo verge]

Hi all, I just received a Moes smark knob TS004F (zigbee) but when pairing to z2m it says the device is unsupported. Is there a way to make it work or did I buy a paperweight?

and this page seems to imply it Just Works(tm): https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/ERS-10TZBVK-AA.html

and I can see it here: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman-converters/blob/master/src/devices/tuya.ts#L4606C111-L4606C127

[winged knoll]

#zigbee-archived can help there

[glacial oracle]

are you guys aware of some large digital calendar like screen which would work with ha?

[raw cosmos]

Hello, I currently have my pergola setup that opens and closes at the roof like in the image and I want to make it smart and control the open and close like the shutters. Can I do it with a Shelly Plus 2PM (https://kb.shelly.cloud/knowledge-base/shelly-plus-2pm) and if so how is the connectivity gonna be?

[ornate sage]

Hello, I ordered one of these relay switches to test and see if it would work for me. Can someone help me with the wiring of this 3 way switch here in the US? I didn't want to call an electrician just to test this out. Thanks for the help

[fringe crater]

I believe in the U.S. that is considered a "three way switch". Funny that EU/UK call it "two way" and in US it is "three way". (And a US 4-way is a UK 3-way) Makes for often confusing searches 😕

[ornate sage]

yeah.. my bad. I have been looking for the wiring videos on youtube and have come across UK videos which states 2 way

[fringe crater]

Looking at what little documentation I could find, I suspect it won't be possible.

The only three way wiring example has S1 connected to the three way input, and S2 connected to the three way output, which doesn't look like how your home is wired.

[cold moon]

that traveler wire (red) is just going to the second light switch

[twin terrace]

Anyone with a v2.5 ratgdo have poor wifi performance? Pings dropping out constantly. I even setup a new access point that is within 5 feet of the ratgdo and faces it directly. Unifi reports it's all fine but pings drop out and i can't connect to it reliably

i created it's own wifi network / ssid so i can steer it to this AP and doesn't seem to help.

OMG I

I'm an idiot, somehow i have an IP address conflict

So... uhhh... why is opnsense assignig it when I have it reserved... oh well, another topic for another discord/fourm. thanks for being my sounding board.

[shell tide]

Anyone know if the EISY (Matter, Z-Wave, Zigbee) USB device works with HA?
https://www.universal-devices.com/product/zmatter-usb/

[cold moon]

unifi controller added "Lock to AP" a few updates back - i wouldnt suggest adding another SSID that can severely impact performance

[twin terrace]

@cold moon yeah, I'm not using unifi gateway, but when I was I did use that and it was great. The other ssid was just a troubleshooting step... i jumped ahead, IP address conflict should have been my first but I thought I could trust opnsense. lol

[cold moon]

i wouldnt touch this even a little

[shell tide]

I already have it so I thought maybe? Looking to move from EISY/IoX to HA in a VMware VM and only have one Z-Wave device and no Zigbee. I have a ton of Insteon devices. and was also thinking about a one of these for the PLM:
https://forums.homeseer.com/forum/lighting-primary-technology-plug-ins/lighting-primary-technology-discussion/insteon-mnsandler/1354729-serial-plm-over-ethernet-yep

I wanted to avoid using a USB device if I can do it without sacrificing reliability. The other option would be migrate the install from the VM to a PC like a NUC.

[cold moon]

https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p7-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/ i would suggest one of these for zigbee, a zooz 700 stick for zwave, and no idea on insteon i dont buy proprietary shit (often)

[shell tide]

I am running the VM Image of HA on a vSAN flash cluster so performance is pretty good. Do you know if I can get in to the HA OS and map /dev/ttyr00 ?

[cold moon]

you passthru the entire device not ttyUSB0 or whatever

those numbers can change so it's not suggested to use ttyusb whatever

[shell tide]

I ordered a CC2652 P7 yesterday and am playing with a Host USB passthrough Zigbee until the CC2652 P7 arrives

[cold moon]

cool

[shell tide]

Where in HA is the Z-Wave you sent screenshot done?

[cold moon]

oh to see what home assistant sees?

http://homeassistant.local:8123/config/hardware -> all hardware

scroll down til you find it

this assumes you pass through the device correctly on esxi or proxmox or w/e

[shell tide]

For the USB pass (VMware/ESXi) through I have that configured and working, HA saw the device once mapped/connected.

Where can I configure in HA the Moxa NPort 5110A to map to /dev/ttyr00 to the network serial connection?

[placid obsidian]

in the container. my bt adapter is the 1462

[golden thorn]

I was insinuating that you can't run HAOS in a CT and you must be using a VM. Hmm. I was expecting this to list more info. Can you try running it on the VM directly?

[placid obsidian]

that is directly ssh into the vm

[trail rampart]

Anyone have a good recommenation for a smart air purifier that hooks in to HA?

[golden thorn]

Looks like you're in a container. If you use port 22 you're not directly in the host. The real shell looks different. Just use the VNC console

[placid obsidian]

vnc drops u into the ha cli

i didn't think you got access to root

[golden thorn]

Enter login there to get to the shell. I'm not sure if the lsusb result will be different but let's see

[outer knot]

@placid obsidian I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[placid obsidian]

login drops you right back to cli

[golden thorn]

Are you sure you used the VNC Console in proxmox? HAOS is not using alpine, containers are.

[placid obsidian]

2023.11.3
Supervisor
2023.11.6
Operating System
11.1
Frontend
20231030.2```

I don't think you can run os in a container at all

but yes it give me the same response with noVNC

I just terminal into an addon so my copy paste works so the alpine bit was likly just the add-on.

[golden thorn]

I was insinuating that you can't run HAOS in a CT and you must be using a VM
Indeed but you said you run HAOS in a container so I thought you are using HAOS in a VM and just confused it with a container.

[placid obsidian]

I apoligize. i just mispoke in my reply

ill keep plugging at it i don't mean to take your time

[golden thorn]

If you open the VNC Console you should see a ha > promot. That's the HA CLI. If you enter login there you should get to a # prompt. That's the OS' shell.

[placid obsidian]

yea I did. It is the same lsusb respose without device name just id

worst come to worst ill just buy a external adapter as i have tested those and they passthrough fine. my onboard works with my ubuntu, win vm. so i just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something simple.

[golden thorn]

I was afraid of that. I was hoping for a output similar to this (not run in HAOS)

# lsusb -vt
/:  Bus 03.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/15p, 480M
    ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
    |__ Port 7: Dev 3, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=rtl8xxxu, 480M
        ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188EUS 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter

but not all of HAOS' commands have the same features as on other OSs. There's ways to get this info via /sys or whatever but I have to check how.

[placid obsidian]

yeah all the other devices have that information populated under system hardware

lsusb through with root is the only reason I know ha can even see if but there is no mention of it under sys -> hardware

its an intel 9260 too so I would think the kernal has the driver

[golden thorn]

It's also listed here: https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/blob/dev/Documentation/boards/generic-x86-64/README.md#wifi

cat /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices | less via the VNC Console might show something useful. Had to fire up my HAOS VM first.
If it's not listed in the hardware in the GUI it probably won't be here either though.

[placid obsidian]

in didn't think so but im looking

ok we got something to spit out

i passed it through using vendor id. kernal sys log is throwing FW download error recovery failed (-19)

i also get unexpected event for opcode 0x100c

[golden thorn]

Better share exactly what it says. I can't help you with bluetooth directly as I don't use it in that way but the logs might make others provide some hints.
rfkill might be useful here.

I'm also a bit confused about this

passed through my on board bluetooth adapter.
That shouldn't be a USB device?

[placid obsidian]

i was digging in sys.journal and grep but my smooth brain wasn't getting there as fast as i wanted lol

[placid obsidian]

on board adapters show up as a usb device in proxmox idk about other level 1

[golden thorn]

Nowadays you use journalctl. I also still like to use dmesg -T | grep term

[golden thorn]

I just checked. Intel says

System Interface Type Wi-Fi(PCIe), BT(USB)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/99445/intel-wirelessac-9260/specifications.html
Like I said. I don't have much experience with bluetooth devices. I try to avoid them. There's a #bluetooth-archived channel as well but I feel it's still right here for now.

[placid obsidian]

they use a bunch of govee outdoor lights and the api leaves alot to desired. So i was trying to hock em up with ble so they could access the effects from the dashboard. Personally i agree with you i don't use bluetooth devices lol

[shell tide]

Anyone used any hidden door sensors, pref Zigbee? Looking to replace a bunch of these:
https://www.insteon.com/hidden-door-sensor

[placid obsidian]

yeah looks like its detecting just fine just failing to grab the firmware

[placid obsidian]

https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/2142 Yay i found friends lol

[cold moon]

you know you can use esp32 bluetooth proxies instead right? they're confirmed faster at this point than native due to linux bt stack slowness or something even with wifi as an interface for the esp32

[placid obsidian]

I was actually loading up one right now lol

[cold moon]

cool

[placid obsidian]

So many ways to skin the cat

[cold moon]

i just use a couple in cheap 3d printed cases but they sell those cute little m5 atom lite ones

https://shop.m5stack.com/products/atom-lite-esp32-development-kit

[placid obsidian]

I have a box of nodemcu from Ali from my led obsessed days. I have wanted to look at those little atom though they are cute

Thanks for the help guys

[shell tide]

What is the ideal switch/dimmer to replace Insteon KPLs in HA https://shop.insteon.com/products/dimmer-keypad-8-button ? Looking for something with buttons to control scenes, devices. Wouldn't mind something with actual buttons or customizable touch screen? I have a number of 2 gang boxes with 2 switches in them. Looking for local control, no cloud dependency. US style switches

[gloomy spoke]

There really isn't a great replacement for that Insteon keypad, unfortunately. The best alternative depends on what features you care about

you mention a touchscreen, which is a completely different solution

this is one for Zwave: https://www.getzooz.com/zooz-zen32-scene-controller/

Inovelli is working on one: https://community.inovelli.com/t/z-wave-5-button-scene-controller-dimmer-switch-project-limitless/5162/471?page=23

[shell tide]

I tried the zoo ones in ISY and they don't really work as designed, do they work with HA?

[gloomy spoke]

you'd have to specify the issues

they're scene controllers, so I'm sure they work

ISY ZWave support was garbage, as far as I could tell. it's one of the reasons I dropped it and moved to HA

[shell tide]

I am fine keeping my KPLs the scenes I have configured just don't work well with HA or at least working with my Insteon stuff still on the ISY and running through the Universal Devices ISY/IoX integration

[gloomy spoke]

they mention HA on their FAQ page:

How do I program scenes, automations, or direct associations with the ZEN32?

How to Program Your ZEN32 Scene Controller on SmartThings
How to Program Your ZEN32 Scene Controller on Hubitat
How to Program Your ZEN32 Scene Controller on Home Assistant

[shell tide]

Like my fan scenes all show on for each speed, like HA doesn't understand the ISY scene

The Zoo switches in ISY didn't update the scenes with convoluted programs to query the Zoo switch

[gloomy spoke]

I reiterate my comment about Zwave support on the ISY

it was...not good

and completely opaque to users, so if it doesn't work, good luck

[shell tide]

I would call it 💩 tbh

Is there a way for HA to read ISY scenes correctly, or maybe better put, read them the same as ISY.

[gloomy spoke]

"read" is a bit vague

you can turn them on/activate them, as I recall

[shell tide]

Like when I turn on the scene fan low, in ISY it turns off scenes Off, med, high

[gloomy spoke]

I suggest moving that to #integrations-archived

[shell tide]

in HA it turns all all of the scenes

[gloomy spoke]

I didn't have a use case like that

[shell tide]

Back to the switch question and the KPLs am I better off just installing a smart dimmer and running a tablet type device above the main switch/dimmer locations?

The brillant switches are cool but don't want to be in they closed ecosystem. I played with the NSPanel Pro but the flashing failed with a storage full issue and I gave up. I might try to go that route once the management integration goes public.

[cold moon]

they really are not cool

i was just in a multi-million dollar house with them all over and they suck and have zero home assistant integration

they certainly dont "feel" premium

[shell tide]

the hardware it's self is IMO, it's their ecosys that is 💩

[cold moon]

then their marketing dept did a good job

cuz irl they are obviously cheaply made

the screen looks fine but.. we dont need screens on each light switch

[shell tide]

I am looking for something that can replace my ISY switches and want some number of touch screens or maybe I just so with a touch screen device at eye level above the switches at key locations

[cold moon]

android tablets with fully kiosk would be the best bet imo

along with zwave or zigbee smart switches/dimmers

[karmic cargo]

If a product says it's compatible with Alexa and Google Assistant, what are the odds it can talk to HA?
Specifically, I'm looking at a couple of minisplits for garage/shop HVAC.

[cold moon]

no relation period

[karmic cargo]

Kinda figured but thought I'd ask.

[cold moon]

for minisplits look up "midea" based ones

[karmic cargo]

I'm surprised there's nothing in HACS for the MrCool brand.

is midea a brand or technology or ...?

[cold moon]

there are cheap esp you can connect via usb to an internal hidden usb port to control them over wifi with esphome firmware

https://cloudfree.shop/product/ductless-hvac-wi-fi-module/

there are only a handful of different types of ductless mini splits they're all just rebrands with new shrouds for the most part

it's kind of a rabbit hole but there are options

https://github.com/scottyphillips/echonetlite_homeassistant there is also this - referenced here a while back: #hardware-archived message

[karmic cargo]

Awesome! TYVM for the links and info. In the referenced post, it says Make sure it has a MAC-568-IF-E. What is a MAC-568-IF-E and how do I make sure the unit I'm buying has one?

Also, +100 for CloudFree. Their location is close enough to me that it would probably cost less in gas to drive to them & pick it up than it would to pay their small shipping costs! 😄

[cold moon]

lol nice

[karmic cargo]

thoughts or suggestions on this one, @cold moon ?

[cold moon]

Mitsubishi MAC-568IF-E WiFi Adaptor connected to the following systems:

then it lists out a bunch of different models

[karmic cargo]

Ah, it that a Mitsubishi (clone) only thing?

[cold moon]

it's one alternative to the midea options

[sly ravine]

I am having some trouble finding a single zwave / zigbee dimmer switch that can also control a fan. I have some pull chain fans with light that use a single switch atm and I want to hook them to home assistant. Anybody has a good recommendation?

[cold moon]

https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-z-wave-plus-s2-double-switch-zen30-white-for-light-fan-combo

up to 3amps on the relay controlling the fan

[sly ravine]

I saw that one, and I actually have one, but it does not control the fan speed afaik

[cold moon]

You said control a fan I didn’t know you meant fan speed lol

No idea

[sly ravine]

Yeah, sorry I wasn't that specific. I want to be able to change the brightness of lights and speed of fan. I have seen some wireless ones that seem to do that, but no zwave / zigbee options.

[jade oyster]

anyone have any success with PoE celing speakers? the only ones i've really seen around are Lithe Audio, but the PoE module they sell is £200 which is absolute price gouging.

could also do a passive speaker with a PoE amp but ive not seen any

[cold moon]

I have a sonoff ifan04 on the way to flash to esphome with light and fan speed control but it’s Wi-Fi

[abstract bobcat]

I'm having trouble connecting to a new Hue tap dial switch. I'm using ZHA, and I'm pressing the setup button on the switch, but ZHA doesn't detect the device and the switch doesn't give me any kind of cue it's doing anything

[cold moon]

Jump to #zigbee-archived man

[remote walrus]

check out inovelli. they have a new canopy zigbee controller coming to market soon that can control fan speed and it'll pair well with one of their zigbee 2-1 switches to control the light

[sly ravine]

I'll see if any of the canopy controllers work

[tacit pilot]

Any recommendations for candle-shaped (narrow space) E12 bulbs?

Still can't believe how much Hue bulbs are. $50, sheeesh

[tacit pilot]

Looking at these, but it isn't clear to me if they work with HA. Never used Sengled before:
https://www.amazon.com/Sengled-Candelabra-Dimmable-Equivalent-Required/dp/B097D1PNNC

Eh maybe I should just get the zigbee ones:
https://www.amazon.com/Sengled-Candelabra-Changing-Chandelier-Equivalent/dp/B089GVXY7L

[patent river]

That doesn't really look very small, compared to how big I remember typical E12 incandescent bulbs being

To be fair, neither do the Hue bulbs

But compared to say LED E12 filament bulb: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081RCMVZP
freaking giant

[last otter]

I think after you passed through your bt device lsusb shows no bt device. I've the same problem. Before starting HAOS lsusb returns bt device, but after starting HAOS, lsusb returns no bt devices. So I did some trick, and I can use bt device on HAOS now. If you have the same problem like me, let me know. I'll share my trick.

[golden thorn]

Please do. Why would you ping me and not tell it? 🤨
The issue is that lsusb in HAOS is not as verbose and doesn't seem to implement the -vt flags

[jagged crypt]

are you just trying to map a device from proxmox hypervisor into a guest?

or into a proxmox LXC?

or into a docker container in a guest in proxmox?

[bitter zenith]

I'm working on a mmWave comparison Excel spreadsheet. Does anyone have the dimensions for the EP1 and EPL? I found the size of the EP1 PCB but I cannot find their sizes! Thanks!

[golden thorn]

So what about your trick?

[last otter]

1. trun off start at boot option for HAOS

2. reboot proxmox

3. shell > bluetoothctl

4. bluetooth # scan on

then scaniing bt devices

5. start HAOS

for me it works..

I tried this several times, and it works well.

lsusb command shows bt devices on both proxmox shell and HA terminal

[weary juniper]

Hmmm, is there any new informations about adding the Aquara Presence Sensor FP2 to Home Assisstant?
I found some older threads about adding it to Home Kit and adding that to HA works. But Iam not using Home Kit (Iam using Google Assisstant) and Iam wondering, if thats still needed or is there a direct way now? And does it work with adding it to Google Assisstant and adding that to Home Assisstant, too?

[zealous dune]

you don't need homekit, just the HA integration called Homekit Device

[cold moon]

I would just message the YouTuber and ask or ask in his discord

[bitter zenith]

Will do! Thanks!

[clever mango]

anybody got any recommendations for hardwired PIR sensors?

[viral dune]

Hey foolish question... Since Vera is basically dead (and ezlo seems to be very slow moving), is there a firmware to install Home Assistant on to Vera Edge hardware instead of a pi or one of the yellow or green sets.

[cold moon]

none of those are good options honestly

SBCs are getting less and less popular as options for home assistant OS

[viral dune]

more just trying to get my vera to actually be useful rather than buying new hardware right now

[cold moon]

what hardware is the vera? is it like a pc you can just reformat?

or an sbc? or?

[clever mango]

it's a custom board

and it's slow as shit

[viral dune]

It is a vera edge

[viral dune]

i don't disagree there

[cold moon]

well

[clever mango]

a cheap NUC with a USB zwave stick will serve you better

[cold moon]

if you want a good experience with home assistant you'll want to use not-shit hardware

https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-Lake-N100-Desktop-Computer-Ethernet/dp/B0BYJ9BC15 n100 based mini pcs are popular these days

if you want cheaper, you can buy m910q or similar mini pcs on ebay

[viral dune]

yes but i can not buy hardware right now

just need functionality

[cold moon]

it is what it is

[clever mango]

I've been running a blue for a year now and it's been good

[viral dune]

best i can do is downgrade my vera firmware to one that semi functions

[clever mango]

anything other than base processing gets offloaded to my i7 NUC though

[viral dune]

my budget for this is in the negative

hardware is not an option.

[zealous dune]

so you've not been running Blue really

[clever mango]

I'm running blue with zwavejs, zigbee2mqtt

pretty basic setup

I played with frigate for a while but ended up not finding it useful

[tall hare]

any good IP camera i can use with home asisstant?

[runic tinsel]

Hi. I am installing a wallbox charger which will have a power balancing regulator on my energy meter -- I think something like a Carlo Gavazzi EM340. As far as I understand this measured the power drawn by my house, and communicates over modbus to the wallbox to get it to reduce the power drawn.

I would like to also get the power meter information into HA. Is this possible? 1) I would need to connect to the meter a second modbus device to read talk to HA and (2) actually read it. The meter is just outside my house, wifi would probably reach, lan is harder. How do I go about this?

[rich venture]

first find out what exact meter it uses

if it uses that meter you think it uses
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/how-do-i-get-correct-values-from-carlo-gavazzi-em340-modbus/331909/23
you might be able to connect via usb to modbus adapter but i dont know enough about modbus, specifically how to configure for 3 devices in a network

[tawny viper]

Anyone have an easy led controller for all this Christmas stuff? They all seem to use 2 pin power adapters. I guess any controller with enough output. Any preferred ones?

Many seem to have 8 modes. Probably all or close to all same Chinese internals

[cold moon]

Premade wled will give you a lot of local control options

[tawny viper]

Yea. I'm trying to be lazy. Wifi is probably better for Christmas since it goes away.

I can turn the Christmas led on and off. But can't change the modes

Needs to take up 30v

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-familyguy-gif-5567927

5-24v most common

[tall zealot]

I currently have a Telldus Tellstick to control a Zwave device and a 433 device... Telldus sucks badly and decided to screw everyone over that ever used their products... what kind of control device could I get to replace my tellstick to control the 433 and the zwave device?

[cold moon]

Zooz 700 or 800 usb dongle and 433 there’s a few options

Bond bridge or Broadcom rf link are popular options

You can also buy a rtl sdr dongle iirc and use a handful of different projects to control it

[delicate yew]

Hello, is there any alternative to the Sensibo device, or do you recco Sensibo? I need two more for the AC (wall split) so look for affordable ones. Thanks!

[shell solstice]

Hey guys, I am searching for a doorbell to use, I want to be able to have a camera that i can see in my home assistant and on my echo show, also i want to get notifications both on my phone/home assistant and on my echo show.
What are the best options?
is there any zigbee compatible too?

[zealous dune]

reolink
no

[shell solstice]

ok so no zigbee compatible

[silk basin]

I've used rfxtrx for a long time with a few home automation server softwares. it has been fairly easy to integrate and has it's own integration for home assistant. http://www.rfxcom.com/epages/78165469.mobile/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/78165469/Products/14103

[tall zealot]

Thank you

[devout parrot]

Zigbee doesn't have the bandwidth for that kind of stuff. You're going to be using POE or WiFi. Reolink or Amcrest should both work.

[shell solstice]

yep reolink seems cool!

[prime sapphire]

would it be a bad idea to permanently run HAOS on a 2012 macbook air?
1.8GHz dual-core Intel i5 (Boost to 2.8GHz) & 4GB of 1600MHz DDR3L RAM

[golden thorn]

Just based on the CPU and Memory hardware this should do if you don't run any resource hungry addons.
Personally I would sell it and buy something else that also likely uses less power.

[prime sapphire]

gotcha. and is that better or worse than an Rpi4 1GB?

i have both laying around so trying to decide

[golden thorn]

I can't tell you without a CPU model but I'd say yes.

[prime sapphire]

oh i didnt know it had different models one sec

Rpi4 box says quad core broadcom BCM2836 & 1GB RAM

[golden thorn]

That's weird. The pi 4 doesn't use that CPU: https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/processors.html
I meant the i5 CPU model btw.

[prime sapphire]

thats weird....

[winged knoll]

There are hundreds of i5 models across the decades

Some are low power, some are high, some are fast, some are slow

[prime sapphire]

i got this pi4 from a friend, i didnt buy it myself

oh it's a model B

yeah the apple site doesn't say which gen the i5 is

one sec lemme find gind it

[golden thorn]

I'm not sure how the BIOS on apple devices looks but it might tell you the model.
Otherwise just use the OS on it and check that way.

[prime sapphire]

The Apple MacBook Air Mid-2012 has a 3rd generation Intel Core processor, also known as Ivy Bridge

[golden thorn]

That's not a model number 😄

[prime sapphire]

ok i think it's a i5-3427U.

[golden thorn]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4297vs819/BCM2711-vs-Intel-i5-3427U

[prime sapphire]

ah that's a useful site

so much better performance on the i5 even though it's only dual core

also has moreRAM

i bet it has a way higher TDP htough

but that's fine

[golden thorn]

Still has 4 threads.

[prime sapphire]

oh you're right i see

[golden thorn]

Even high TDP CPUs can idle pretty low. This one is a bit older though. Neewer ones are more efficient in that aspect (and in general).

[prime sapphire]

do you think there's any safety risk with the battery and leaving it on 24/7?

that's my only real concern

[winged knoll]

Nah, no risk there

I've got an ancient i5 laptop that's been running as a home server for about 5 years now

[prime sapphire]

what laptop if you don't mind me asking?

if anything i wonder if i can just take the battery out

though the convenience of magsafe will be a problem if i accidentally disconnect it

[winged knoll]

Ancient Dell XPS

Almost everything has been moved off to my Ryzen 5 mini PC box, just got one thing to deal with when I can be bothered

[prime sapphire]

what year?

i'm just a stickler for reusing stuff

i hate throwing away hw that still works

[winged knoll]

2011 or there about

[prime sapphire]

wow nice

[winged knoll]

Well, it's the second oldest computer, and the lowest spec

The Xeon box is older, but much faster and much more RAM

[prime sapphire]

i also have an htpc which i haven't upgraded in 10y since it still runs, but when i upgrade my personal PC i'll probably upgrade the HTPC with it. and at that point could use the HTPC parts for home assistant....

i know i could run home assistant as a container inside my htpc but i'd rather separate and run HAOS

i was gonna just run it on the rpi4 to see what it's like since i haven't ever used home assistant, but all of a sudden i'm having issues with the rpi4 booting anythign at all so i'm looking at my old macbook air

[devout parrot]

You could always run HAOS as a VM on the htpc

[prime sapphire]

the htpc is running unraid OS, so it does support VMs, but i worry that setup complexity for the the few addons i want inside home assistant will be a bit beyond my skill if i add another layer of OS (i want to use ATOM echo devices with a manually configured Assist pipeline)

[delicate yew]

Hello, is there any alternative to the Sensibo device, or do you recco Sensibo? I need two more for the AC (wall split) so look for affordable ones. Thanks!

[gusty fossil]

Seldon2k: Aqara FP2 Auto discovery Issues
Hi Guys, I hope someone can assist me with this problem. I have been searching for solutions but the only ones I have found do not seem to solve my problem.
I am running HA OS in a Hyper-V VM.
I have an Aqara M2 Hub and have installed the Aqara App in Android.
I do NOT have anything apple on the premises.
I have just acquired an Aqara FP2 Presence sensor.
This is a WIFI device and is on my network by DHCP.
I have confirmed with Fing that both HA and the FP2 are on the same subnet. This was the problem for someone else on here.
My HA has always been reluctant to auto detect new additions. In fact I cannot recall that ever working. But I am old and my memory is not the best :-)
I have added the 'HomeKit Device' integration to HA.
When I added the M2 Hub it did NOT auto detect and I had to use the add '+' in the lower right to force the issue it then asked for the Pairing Key from the bottom of the M2 Hub.
After this was entered all went well and all devices on the Hub were exposed to HA!
SUCCESS!

However, after adding the FP2 to the Aqara App on the Tablet I tried all of the usual things including power cycling the FP2 and a Full reboot of HA. Not just cycling the VM.
HA did NOT auto-detect the FP2.
So I again tried to force the issue by adding '+' in the lower RHC.
This presented me with the dialog add ''???-FP2'
Unfortunately after the most recent REBOOT this dialog has now vanished and I cannot list it correctly here.
When it WAS shown to me I proceeded to add the device and it just HUNG while going through the motions of adding the FP2.
This was the point where I was EXPECTING to be asked for the Pairing Key from the FP2.
I have almost zero experience troubleshooting HA issues so please if you are able to help try to include ALL necessary steps and if I have to check Logs, specify which logs if there are more than one.
Thanks in advance for any help that you can give.
I have just gone through the 'experience' of setting up the FP2 in the android app and that was enough for one lifetime. I have mine mounted in a corner and despite what has been said about the dev's allowing you to rotate the room I saw no way of doing this so my room layout looks like something Picasso would have created.

[gusty fossil]

Aqara kit successfully exposed to HA via the M2 Hub include:

Door/Window Sensors

Water Leak Sensors

T1 Pro Cube

M2 Zigbee 3.0 Hub

[gusty fossil]

OK, PLEASE IGNORE I have it working! I removed a couple of things that I am sure are unrelated then rebooted, then power cycled the FP2 and it was Auto-Detected and Requested the Pairing Key!

It is NOW fully integrated.

Admins: Either leave as a cautionary tale or delete as you see fit. 🙄

[burnt mica]

Hello, looking for some opinions between inovelli and lutron! I am not overly concerned about cost, but rather reliability, features, and perceived delay/lag. Thanks!

[sinful mirage]

has anyone run into a cost effective smart xmas tree light set? i found a few but they seem to be up in the hundreds of dollars

[cold moon]

Wled and ws2811 pixels works great

[sinful mirage]

interesting. and you just put some heat shrink tub over the wires?

[cold moon]

Over what wires

[sinful mirage]

the white, red and green wires that connect the modules

i guess another option would be to use some green spray paint

and tape the leds

[patent river]

Cost effective they are absolutely not, but I do like the "Twinkly" brand for RGBW string lights.
https://twinkly.com/en-us/products/strings-multicolor-white?variant=42970661355742
Depends how much you value your time vs your money, I guess?

[sinful mirage]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005815154695.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.3fa6nlDHnlDHoV&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.362094.0&scm_id=1007.40050.362094.0&scm-url=1007.40050.362094.0&pvid=1111086c-bf1a-4524-9a52-50518b0cfff1&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.362094.0,pvid:1111086c-bf1a-4524-9a52-50518b0cfff1,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238110%231995&pdp_npi=4%40dis!CAD!13.46!6.33!!!69.42!!%40210307c317016591315932005e2204!12000035634496124!rec!CA!731206315!

this looks interesting but im skeptical that it will not have a voltage drop at 5v at 20m

[devout parrot]

It absolutely would.

[cold moon]

Those are cool

[devout parrot]

I found these on eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/374360672399?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=qmcu7qwrrtu&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=pdUrRvrNTKu&var=643264925311&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[cold moon]

You can power inject a couple times and hide the wire in the tree

Ya 12v will be better

[sinful mirage]

@cold moon what controller are you using on those ws2811 pixels? im assuming your using the individual addressable ones

[cold moon]

I just made my own in a 3d printed case with an esp32

I’d suggest just buying an athom one

[sinful mirage]

yeah i have made a few esp32 projects in the past. they are great devices but i generally save them for projects that need custom coding

[rotund briar]

Hey all, I have managed to pair a schlage encode plus via esphome bluetooth proxy, out of the box functionality is limited to "locate" and "lock/unlock". How can I help fill in support for more features? Ideally I could get this thing exposed via homebridge to use apple homekey, even more ideally provisioned on my thread network.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated 🙇‍♂️

[simple fox]

Any recommendations for trustworthy GU5.3 bulbs that interface easily with HA?
I've only found the really expensive Philips Hue ones, or then some brands that are entirely unfamiliar to me (eWeLink, gledopto) and are only available through aliexpress?

[winged knoll]

Gledopto are well known and generally well thought of

AliExpress is fine, many of us shop there all the time

[simple fox]

Good to hear, thanks! What about ewelink? And are you aware if gledopto require some specific addon/integration?

I think my main concern is that I couldn't find gledopto seller in EU, so taxes are a nuisance 😝

[winged knoll]

Gledopto is usually #zigbee-archived

ewelink is Sonoff from memory, and that's probaby better avoided

[simple fox]

Sweet, thanks a lot @winged knoll !

Here's where aliexpress loses me; what's the difference between this two?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003390902537.html?pdp_npi=4@dis!EUR!€ 22,82!€ 9,58!!!24.24!10.18!@21038eda17016845801391395edaa6!12000034259580343!sh!FI!104806019!
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005979718354.html?mp=1

[winged knoll]

Different model numbers

Look up what that means on the Gledopto site (or any other)

[simple fox]

I can only spot 5W vs 4W, but the 5W is like 20e cheaper?

Alright, thanks, sorry for the beginner questions 🙂

[winged knoll]

GL-S-014P vs GL-S-004P

[simple fox]

Thanks! FWIW (if anyone comes back to this question too 😝), seems like the main differences are small changes in height, wattage (5W vs 4W), and build material (plastic+aluminum vs aluminum). The 004P also offers a wider beam.
I went with the 004P as that's the one that's sold in other EU shops (though it is out of stock).

[stoic frost]

Replacing my Fire 10 HD w/ a Tab S7 FE and failed to look for a wall mount prior to purchase. Doesn't look like anyone offers one so I reached out to the seller on Etsy I bought my previous ones from and waiting on response. I'm also thinking it might be time to invest in a 3D printer as I have spent 100's on various 3d printed items on Etsy over the last few years. In the meantime, anyone else use this tablet, have made a wall a mount, know where to get one, etc?

[static swift]

I'm thinking about provisions for "smarts" in a part built renovation + extension. I would like to avoid polluting the RF as much a possible. What are the options regarding hard wired things?

[winged knoll]

KNX is one of the few options

[cold moon]

DIY with esphome or knx is the only thing I can think of

As far as whole home is concerned

For Led lighting specifically you can go full retard with dmx controller and cat6a to every fixture instead of romex

Or just run like 18/3 wire from a few IDF locations or closets to centrally manage like low voltage led strips over DC

[static swift]

"romex"?

[cold moon]

Bruh

[static swift]

Are you meaing mains power wire?

romex is a brand btw. it just isn't the hover of vacuum cleaners here, so i just wan't to clarify

[cold moon]

Romex is used interchangeably to mean the wires in your walls going back to your breaker

Idk if anyone knows the real name

[static swift]

How can esphome be done as a wired network?

[cold moon]

What do you mean

Esp32 dev kit boards can be bought with an Ethernet jack or you buy a hat for them

[static swift]

ah, i see. i was thinking esp8266 which by default is a wifi enabled device

[cold moon]

https://www.kincony.com/ this guy makes crazy multi relay boards and has videos showing home assistant controlling them with esphome fw

Just one option

[static swift]

ATM the thought is cat5 + "romex" to every light switch. But i don't know what system i would put on the ends "esphome"

[cold moon]

I don’t like that at all personally

[static swift]

what is you're preferd non-RF solution?

[static swift]

How is this intergrated?

[cold moon]

What do you need eth for at light switch locations?

[static swift]

I am thinking (normal mains dpst light switch) + (relay board) wire as 2 way switching in the light switches wall box. Then the relay board is controlled via cat5 (as eth or rs485 or.....) and the board also sense measures bulb current (amps) to inform home-assistant of the light ON-OFF state.

This would mean if the relay was dead the light would work as a normal light.

plus it means it can be a tactile toggle switch input.

[cold moon]

That’s a lot of work

[static swift]

which bit?

[pliant forum]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LNONZXsLi-R9ejamD9Bd2UfzpqjqEWVt0ZepTGmMC50/edit

Take a look at my prewire guide which may give you some ideas

[cold moon]

i forgot you made that thing

[pliant forum]

lol. I tend to look at it myself when I see people asking about this topic

It’s easy to forget all the possibilities!

[cold moon]

you should add meile to the list of (good) appliances

err miele

[pliant forum]

I’ll add them when I have a chance

[cold moon]

they're recommended across the board on reddit etc

[pliant forum]

good to know, I’ll add that to my to-do list

[cold moon]

a fancy client had one of their fridges it was fuckin nice

[pliant forum]

I need to change some of the suggestions around involving some hardware also

[cold moon]

i dont like your light switches 😛

[pliant forum]

(and software too) deepstack is basically gone now

[cold moon]

dont people still call compreface deepstack tho

or lump it all together

[pliant forum]

Yes, but they’re separate programs

[cold moon]

i think nickm still uses it along with frigate

i see

[pliant forum]

I’m probably going to change it over to CompreFace

and make a note not to use the default model

Ill actually change that right now

easy to edit on mobile

[cold moon]

i'd say run 2x cables to each of these

if you're already going hard might as well go a lil bit harder

[pliant forum]

That’s why I mentioned the Smurf tube

[cold moon]

here i'd mention if you have the $ wifi 6e brings even faster speeds to wireless devices but has an even shorter range than 5ghz

[static swift]

a lot of the smart stuff is zwave?

[pliant forum]

I like the WiFi 6E suggestion though, when I last edited this 6E was unheard of lmao

[pliant forum]

Need to change that too

[cold moon]

this i just dont love at all

[pliant forum]

Z-Wave is still pretty good for the most part, especially with the 800LR stuff.

[cold moon]

you cannot just block airflow to vents in any ac system you want

[pliant forum]

I’ve had people voice their concerns to me, they have a special “feature” which limits damage to your AC

[cold moon]

the motor has to be variable speed and ideally you have like multiple supply boxes that can be split off into zones

i mean it's a physics thing

they can stick their head up a butcher's ass..

wait.. no i mean they can slap a guarantee on a box

https://tenor.com/bXDQP.gif

[static swift]

To what?

[fringe crater]

can = can't?

[pliant forum]

Ideally I’d have multiple protocol options

I plan on doing an overhaul to it soon.

[cold moon]

fixed thanks

[pliant forum]

I’ll look more into the Flair stuff and make a decision whether I should keep it or not

Appreciate the comments though

[cold moon]

this i would mention ikea sells rebranded sonos speakers at a discounted price

and they integrate with home assistant via the same exact integration

and also mention that smart home speakers such as google home, homepod minis, and alexas can be used to play media or text to speech

[pliant forum]

👍

I find it funny already how much stuff has changed since the time I last edited this..

Shows how important it is to run that Smurf tubing.. lol

[patent river]

@cold moon Hah, sneaky edit. Was about to say, the Ikea bookshelf is basically a Sonos One SL for 20% off

[cold moon]

i do like this as far as like.. pulling hot air out of a closet you put server or network gear in

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/bv9Wb.gif

[static swift]

https://www.casetawireless.com/us/en/products/dimmers-switches do these work if the smarts i broken?

[pliant forum]

I was looking at the Sonos One’s on eBay and man they are cheap now

[pliant forum]

Lutron is bulletproof

Lots of professional AV companies use it

[cold moon]

i'd still suggest zooz zwave

[pliant forum]

despite being expensive it’s super reliable

[cold moon]

or inovelli blues if he has stupid money

[pliant forum]

Don’t worry, I’ll include multiple options 🙂

[static swift]

wdym, can the work as a standalone switch?

[pliant forum]

Yes

Lutron has a POE hub

Well RA3 does

[static swift]

No just the switch?

as in on off

[pliant forum]

Oh yeah it can but no Smart Control

all of the options there are standalone

[static swift]

so does the bulb get power through it?

[pliant forum]

and able to be used while being offline from the “hub”

[pliant forum]

yes

[static swift]

and the relay works as 2-way switching?

[pliant forum]

It’s a simple relay

they have 3 way+ setups too

[static swift]

I mean, how does the switch and the relay both switch the light power?

[pliant forum]

the switch’s smarts tells the relay to turn on and off

[static swift]

I said if the smarts are not working

[pliant forum]

I guess I’m confused on what you’re asking.. it works fine without the smarts

[static swift]

so, no it doesn't

[pliant forum]

The smarts are just an added feature

[static swift]

the bulb gets power through the relay not through the switch?

[pliant forum]

the relay is inside of the switch?

[static swift]

no it is not

[pliant forum]

the switch just controls the relay

[static swift]

the switch is inside the module

[pliant forum]

What “module”?

[static swift]

the "smart switch" module

[pliant forum]

I’m not sure I guess. I just know it works without internet

and you still have physical control

[static swift]

smart switch modules

[static swift]

is it it physical or is it "fly by wire" control?

[pliant forum]

I’m not sure what “fly by wire” control is

It completely shuts off power to the light / load when you turn it off

both via the physical switch and the smart features

Just like a normal switch..

[cold moon]

i mean for his smart switches

[pliant forum]

Ah, my bad

[static swift]

i wan't physical control i.e. if the firmware decides to stop working because of a bug e.g.if(time:1733333333){planned_obsolescence = TRUE} the occupants will still be able to control the lights.

[cold moon]

you can still do that with zwave or zigbee switches or dimmers in most scenarios

you can even bind (zigbee) or direct associate (zwave) smart switches with smart bulbs then they will work even if home assistant is down

or like direct associate a few smoke alarms and water leak sensors to a siren.. all kinds of stuff

[pliant forum]

Ah, that makes a whole lot more sense

I’m not sure what supports that and what doesn’t

[static swift]

It is sounding like it is going to have to be custom... I'm surprised no-RF and works-if-dead aren't a common requirement.

[cold moon]

this isnt really something that happens. ultimately there can be a bug in the firmware that changes how zwave-js controls it or something.. but it these light switches are just a fuckin fancy relay at the end of the day

[pliant forum]

^ That’s the likely reason it isn’t advertised and / or known

[static swift]

also relays, break allllll the time

the contacts just wear out

[cold moon]

then build a better one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIB3kWqqAzE

[static swift]

redundancy is my aim

[cold moon]

i hear you

i just think you are focusing on some of the wrong stuff

if you want to limit 2.4ghz stuff (wifi, zigbee, bluetooth, thread, matter, microwaves) i dont blame you

[static swift]

I just want to save the RF for wirless stuff, not suff hard wired to power anyway.

[cold moon]

well

zwave is right around 900mhz

so it isnt affected by that interference

nor does it effect others

[static swift]

if affects other 900mhz stuff

[cold moon]

which is?

are you some old ham guy that just hates waves being used? lol

[static swift]

no, but i can see their point. I stayed in a dense urban area for a while and it was such a pain to have to put up with all the noise while tinkering with projects like making drone video systems.

[cold moon]

i see

well blame everyone for screaming louder i guess

the new mesh shit being deployed to consumers from ISPs is completely shitting on 2.4ghz

and all their neighbors

[static swift]

There is only so much rf spectrum available to us, so i don't want to put a nail in my own foot by filling the house with rf stuff for no reason.

[pliant forum]

I understand where you’re coming from, Z-Wave is an extremely solid protocol (especially with 800LR series devices) though. I would do RJ45 light switches if I could or some kind of hardwired but it’s just not economical honestly in this moment.

The closest thing is Lutron HomeWorks

and that can be 30k+

[cold moon]

i dont think this makes sense

the last rj45 part

[static swift]

I wan't to be able to buy a cheap Bluetooth audio receiver and not listen to my lights shouting "I'M STILL OFF, every 900ms" 😆

[cold moon]

not if you are still using romex

[pliant forum]

I just meant hardwired in general

[cold moon]

if cat6a is ran to the switch and the fixture and back to a dmx controller then sure

but that is only high end houses right now i think

[pliant forum]

Not even really. It’s extremely extremely rare

[cold moon]

i've definitely seen custom homebuilders using it

[pliant forum]

They have products but like I said it’s just not economical really compared to typical smart switches and regular romex wiring

[cold moon]

yea

im not suggesting it

[static swift]

why cat6a?

[pliant forum]

👍

[cold moon]

cuz future proofing

[pliant forum]

I suggest unshielded 6A so you can go one step above 6

and it has a higher MHZ typically

allowing for more bandwidth

[cold moon]

i doubt you'd want unshielded for shit with data tho

[pliant forum]

CAT7 and above is just dumb

[cold moon]

buried in the walls

[static swift]

you expecting a 10gbps light switch?

[pliant forum]

Unshielded is fine even when ran along parallel to romex in residential

As long as it’s not like 25ft+ it will work fine 99% of the time

[cold moon]

fps limitations on rgbw-cct fixtures plus you never know

you telling me you'd try to save what $500 or $1000 on cable when building out and future proofing? i wouldnt

[static swift]

i was thinking about that when i considered can bus 🤣

[cold moon]

yeah i had the unfortunate surprise of everything going along romex with unshielded cat6 at my last client

super happy about that

[pliant forum]

Haha, damn that sucks

[cold moon]

and

the ont was on the other side of the wall of the breaker and all the romex homeruns

[static swift]

shocking!

[cold moon]

and that's the same wall they ran the drop from the ont to the IDF/closet

it was a shitshow

[pliant forum]

We built with basically the crappiest builder in America and all of our 14 Ethernet runs in our house worked fine. So I guess there’s that

I assume they go by power many times..

[cold moon]

also

[pliant forum]

I wish we did so much more, I kick myself for that..

[cold moon]

they ran coax from the ONT to the IDF instead of ethernet

and were paying for 2.5gbps FTTH with a max of 1gbps from router

lol

[static swift]

ONT? IDF?

[pliant forum]

We were lucky and got into the process when they started running Smurf tube standard from the outside to the inside wiring enclosure

[cold moon]

optical network terminal

takes fiber in from street and gives you ethernet out at home

[pliant forum]

Houses built 2-3 months before ours had just coax and CAT5e to the outside

no Smurf tube

so we would have been screwed with our AT&T fiber

[cold moon]

IDF is just like.. a closet where all the shit centrally comes back to. in this instance it was one of the master bedroom walk in closets

[pliant forum]

Since they don’t do outdoor ONTs anymore

[static swift]

ONT is usually on the outside of the wall here. Or it is fiber to the router

[pliant forum]

Nowadays many Fiber ISPs run fiber direct into the router

a couple of years ago (and some ISPs still) ran Ethernet from the router to an outdoor wall mounted ONT

[static swift]

were still on ADSL2

[pliant forum]

Oh wow, that must be miserable.. haha

[cold moon]

nah

the craziest thing that happened at that site will stay with me forever

let me find a couple screenshots so you can picture it

they have a house and a guest house and wanted good internet out there

[pliant forum]

AT&T did a super jank job of installing our fiber though so there’s that

[cold moon]

so i used unifi building bridges to wirelessly beam internet from house to guest house to then hang an AP off of for solid connectivity

during my last day there... frontier guy pulled up and ran a new fiber run to the guest house

[static swift]

ping is better than the "fiber" i was sold, aka not fiber just DOCSIS, the fiber they were offering was just a small part of their DOCSIS on a PON setup 🤣

[cold moon]

completely negating the necessity of entire building bridge + switch + AP setup

[pliant forum]

Interesting the AT&T guy is across the street right now

first time I’ve seen them in months haha

[pliant forum]

Gotta love companies!

[static swift]

free unifi bridge for you!

[cold moon]

nah they are still there

[pliant forum]

I have a free UniFi switch coming which is nice..

[cold moon]

apparently the "guest house internet is a backup"

which they didnt loop their IT guy into

we could've had failover wan at the main house

and still internet at guest house

but noo too dumb

[static swift]

bi-directional wan fail-over sounds complicated to setup

[cold moon]

impossible with unifi

without a bunch of fuckery

it was over $5000 in network hardware lol

they wanted wifi 6e and each AP is $300

[static swift]

would be neat tho. essentially redundant internet to both places

[cold moon]

well that is what i could've done

the gateway in main house fails over and guest house is none the wiser

[static swift]

I have decided to bit the bullet and get all unifi APs for the assisted roaming. Hopefully it will be the end of clingy APs and bad coverage. I just have to decide which unifi APs to get

[cold moon]

assisted?

end of the day it's still up to the client

are you rich?

[static swift]

i though if you go with one brand the roaming is more seamless

[cold moon]

do you want future proofing?

[static swift]

no, but willing to pay to end the earache and get something good

[cold moon]

well in instances where you are using something like facetime and a client roams from one AP to another, yes unifi APs and controller supports fast roaming

[static swift]

6ghz, proably not but i won't say no if it is free

[cold moon]

and you do understand that 6ghz is not the same as the wifi 6 protocol correct?

i.e. a wifi 6 AP is not a wifi 6ghz AP

a wifi 6E AP has the additional 6ghz radio

[cold moon]

it's a $100-$150 price increase depending on Unifi AP choice

per AP*

[static swift]

I don't know. because on the one had hardly any of the devices are wifi 6, on the other and the biggest problem makers are new iphones (wifi 6e)

[cold moon]

yea

[static swift]

and i don't use a iphone 😂

[cold moon]

idk about problem makers

[pliant forum]

What’s wrong with WiFi 6E on iPhones out of curiosity?

[static swift]

I'm saying 2 iphones would be the only reason to get wifi 6 or 6e APs

[cold moon]

you can always upgrade aps in the future

when they're more reasonably priced for 6e

[static swift]

yea

[pliant forum]

I’d hold off until WiFi 7 becomes reasonably priced, and just go WiFi 6 for now

[cold moon]

unifi is crazy for wanting $300 for APs

[static swift]

more the old AP's elsewhere.

[pliant forum]

Probably will be 2-3 years

[static swift]

I think ill do that

[cold moon]

depends on the client dude. if he's got fuck you money then it makes sense to just buy the better APs now

[pliant forum]

Fair enough

[cold moon]

like mine did lol

[pliant forum]

I missed the context so that’s on me

[cold moon]

he had to store his lambo SUV in the guest house garage cuz his mclaren and maybach were taking up the main house garage

as one does

[pliant forum]

Man, I wish I had that money.. 💀

[cold moon]

ye

this was my install in guest house

[pliant forum]

Please don’t tell me you’re a horizontal wall plate screw guy 🤣

[cold moon]

roughed in building bridge to test^

[cold moon]

i'm a whatever way doesnt break the wall plate guy

pretty clean install tho imo

[pliant forum]

Yeah definitely

[cold moon]

this is what the building bridge mounted with

their universal mount

[pliant forum]

I wanna try out the new UniFi Express/UXG Lite.. seems like a great option for family

Now all we need is a UniFi express 6E 😛

[cold moon]

i got their rack to use but then realized they fucked me on the length of cable coming out the wall

i had to buy a vertical rack and mount it in an ugly place

[pliant forum]

Ouch. I had to extend our Ethernet from the in wall enclosure down to my rack

[static swift]

what does that do?

[cold moon]

that looks better than what i did but i wasnt getting paid to make it pretty

i told the guy i could come back and clean up other people's work after tho

[pliant forum]

It’s basically a UniFi gateway / AP (express case) but in Eero form factor

And they don’t obviously do the gross practices Amazon/Eero does 😂

[cold moon]

yeah

eero is complete shit

inside and out

[pliant forum]

I wish my uncle on one side didn’t buy into Eero with 7 of them