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fading vigil
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nc -vz localhost 8123 returns nc: connect to localhost (::1) port 8123 (tcp) failed: Connection refused nc: connect to localhost (127.0.0.1) port 8123 (tcp) failed: Connection refused

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ss -4ltpn | grep 8123 does not return anything

raven forge
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Okay so there's nothing listening and nothing answering (duh) on that port. I'd do the following

# Stop/remove the container
docker compose down

# Check for any remnants of previously created containers
docker ps -a

# Remove if found
docker rm ...

# Start without detaching so you can immediately check the console
docker compose up

Then open another SSH session and try the two commands again. Also check what the console says on the first session, of course.

fading vigil
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Okay I will try that now thanks

raven forge
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It's kinda obvious from the path but I have to ask. You are running this on a pi, right?

fading vigil
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yes

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I have run the suggested commands, and removed one old container and restarted. I have the same results

raven forge
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What happens if you run

docker compose down
python3 -m http.server 8123

Can you access http://192.168.0.2:8123/ then and do the nc and ss commands show something different?

fading vigil
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I can acess the webpage. nc -vz localhost 8123 now returns nc: connect to localhost (::1) port 8123 (tcp) failed: Connection refused Connection to localhost (127.0.0.1) 8123 port [tcp/*] succeeded! with ss -4ltpn | grep 8123 returning LISTEN 0 5 0.0.0.0:8123 0.0.0.0:* users:(("python3",pid=54592,fd=3))

raven forge
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Interesting. Not quite sure why the container doesn't work though but it's a data point hat might help narrow it down.

fading vigil
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I see

humble mirage
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Could be a Docker version problem

fading vigil
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Docker was setup with rootless mode, running docker compose up -d homeassistant as root has fixed the issue

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Thanks for the help in setting up HA

ashen nova
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Hello fellow people of the internet;
I just ordered my first raspberry pi waiting for it to arrive, while doing my research on Home Assistant which I will be using for the very first time.
I looked at some of the installation options and I would like to use my raspberry pi for other things as well so I plan to use a "container" (?) setup for HA.
I learned that it doesn't support addons but it's not the end of the world cause "additions" may be installed manually to container version as well.

The reason I'm writing here is I'm wondering other people's opinions and hopefully hear their own experience on the subject.
I never used Linux before... I'm not a coder/developer but I tinker a lot and most of the time achieve stuff if I put my mind to it... Even if I'm a complete stranger to the subject.
But even with all that, would I be doing a mistake choosing container version, or is it actually "the way" to go for full control (If I ever be able to control that is)?

Sorry I wrote a lot but I appreciate ANY input, guidance and help. Thank you for reading.

raven forge
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If you want control and flexibility it's my recommended choice. I usually recommend buying a "real pc" and virtualize, that way you can run HAOS and still have that flexibility and control but that's even more involved for a linux beginner.
Also see here why I like it so much and don't recommend a pi: <#installation-archived message>

hasty wraith
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Hello,
I want to run HomeAssistant on my Proxmox but performance wise is it better on docker or install the "core" directly in the LXC ?
And what's the preferred OS for the LXC, I personnaly always use Alpine Linux is it fine ?

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And What's the "supervised" ?

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What are the advantages or disadvantages over the core

raven forge
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I use debian for all my servers and CTs. I'd recommend against core as updates can be a pain. Either use HAOS or docker in a VM.
Performance wise I very much doubt you'll notice anything.

hasty wraith
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I know it's a lot of questions sorry

ashen nova
raven forge
sand frost
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Heya, trying to decide if I should restart from scratch or if my install is worth saving lol. I'm having zwave issues, I'm running HAOS, on a Pi3 (SD, not solid state). Zwave regularly stops working, and I simply can't get Home assistant core updated from 10.5 to 11.2. I'm not sure where to start on troubleshooting.

lilac locust
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Hi,

I installed the latest HA .vmdk image in Proxmox. It starts correctly but the default ip-address is 172.30.xx.xx which isn't usable/reachable in my LAN (using 10.200.x.x. IP Range). Trying to change the IP using the cli command "network update --ip-v4..." resulted in nothing but confusion. My L3-Switch does recognize the VM host and offers him a correct LAN IP-address but the VM doesn't acknowledge the DHCP IP offer. I'm totally confused how to tell the HA VM either to use a static IP or to acknowledge the DHCP offer.

Any thoughts on this problem?

raven forge
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It uses DHCP by default. What does ha network info say and what exact commands did you use?

wooden smelt
rich matrix
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Hey! I was just gonna ask a question abt HA in proxmox. Well this is a different question: how do you upload the .qcow2 to proxmox?

wooden smelt
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Easiest way is to use the installation script.

rich matrix
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What installation script?

wooden smelt
raven forge
rich matrix
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I'm waiting for HA to be done.

grand pivot
tender wren
raven forge
rich matrix
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Well, it says "Preparing Home Assistant" now, in the web GUI, so I guess it works. 🤷

empty bloom
fallen lichen
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So much for not clicking random links 🤣

empty bloom
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LOL I was just thinking that

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foot in mouth for SURE

lilac locust
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Nevertheless thank you for the offered help.

lilac locust
lilac locust
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Hopefully I also can get advice on my next challenging task: I currently configured the switch port of the Proxmox Host machine to be untagged and to be member of my VLAN10. Therefore the HA VM also gets a IP within the VLAN10 IP-range which is fine - but I want also that HA recognizes the smart devices in my IoT VLAN and maybe Guest VLAN. I read about the possibility to add logical network devices to HA OS for the other VLANs but this requires (from my understanding) that the switch port of my Proxmox VE machine to be tagged and vmbr0 to be "VLAN aware" to work correctly .
I tried that, but the Proxmox machine wasn't reachable after I changed the switch port to tagged (vmbr0 is currently given a static ip-address of VLAN10). If I could configure that correctly I could create VMs that are only visible in the predefined VLANs which is what I want to achieve. Seems more to be a Proxmox related question than to be a HA question. Anyway some help on this?

violet ferry
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Is it possible to avoid that my laptop shuts down/sleeps when I close the lid? I have installed HAOS directly on the HDD of the laptop.

raven forge
warm dove
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Question: I've installed HomeAssitant on docker. But I can't find supervisor or Terminal/SSH.

Are there different version of HA or something?

grand pivot
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The container install has neither of those things. You already have ssh to the host and you don't need the supervisor

warm dove
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There's also no 'add-on' store.

grand pivot
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True

warm dove
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I need a way to install HACS

grand pivot
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This was all spelled out in the installation page

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That has nothing to do with addons

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Follow the instructions

warm dove
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Which instructions?

humble scaffoldBOT
grand pivot
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For the thing you wanted to install

void wharf
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So I am not sure what happened but I went to restart home assistant and ended up at the Waiting on CLI loop. The delay during the boot process is on "a start job is running for /dev/disk/by-label/hassos-overlay" I've seen the github thread for hassos-data but CTRL+ALT+F2 does not get me anywhere. Any thoughts or should I cross my fingers I have a recent full backup that wont require a ton of work to get back up and running (luckily I backup to a NAS share)

jade moss
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Hello.

I've got a CM4 mounted on a waveshare board with attached SSD.
Including controlled cooling, wifi, also UPS solution. This whole setup is mounted inside a electrical cabinet.

I don't have a way how to directly install the os on the ssd, so I wanted to try PINN to do that for me. I cannot just disassemble the device, if I need to reload the os or something.

I mounted the emmc with rpiboot which worked ok, i loaded PINN using the Raspberry pi Imager, set up a vnc share and that is as far as i got.

I tried to go through a PINN documentation, but apparently you need to have some jsons to get it to recognize to os etc.

Have someone tried to do this?

low notch
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The best way to run a pi where you cannot change stuff is to boot it from nfs. You can then fix / replace boot storage without touching the pi

jade moss
unkempt bobcat
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Hi! Has anyone tried installing home assistant os on the odroid-m1s? Does it boot to emmc memory?

low notch
jade moss
low notch
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well then you're left with ssd/usb

storm axle
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just curius do homeassistant not work on brave browser

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open the adres in edge, chrome or firefox it works on brave its infinate loading loop

humble mirage
storm axle
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sorry went to wrong channel because first i thought it was a install error but then tried a diverent browser sorry about that.

ruby void
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Beginner question, please be patient. Yes, I've searched threads and couldn't find. I've successfully installed HA Yellow Dashboard on my MacBook Air. I would also like to have a Dashboard on other devices, such as iPad and iPhone. How do I do this? When I try to access from a second device, HA seems to want to do a complete install there.

grand pivot
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What does 'installed HA Yellow Dashboard on my MacBook Air' mean?

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It doesn't make any sense to me

crude inlet
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@ruby void Home Assistant is a server. You access it from any other device using a web browser from that device, or a client app if available. You may have installed the HA app client to your Air.

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So you don't install the dashboards to other devices. It is being served by your HA server installation. You access it using the ip address and port HA has in a browser (ie, 192.168.1.20:8123 in the address bar)

river crag
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Sorry to inturrup, but would anyone be able to help me with this issue? I loaded virtual box on the new windows pc and tried to restore home assistant from a previous backup (.tar file) but it failed to fetch. Is there a chance the backup is too old? It’s from January 2022. At this point I don't care if I have to star over, just want to keep my login and username

crude inlet
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Failed to upload?

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@river crag What part is failing?

river crag
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when I select the file, nothing happens, and then after awhile, if I try again it says failed to fetch.

ruby void
crude inlet
upbeat tusk
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So I got a new modem/gateway from my ISP and am trying to set up access to Home Assistant. I did the port forward for 8213->8123 and 442->8123. I can access home assistant on my Android phone, but it won't connect on my laptop. Any thoughts?
I want to say when i originally set it up with my old hardware that I had issues with 443 and somewhere said to use a different port which worked. However, that was about 2 years ago, so I can't remember if that's accurate or not.

void wharf
placid sage
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hello how to install home assistant on bigtreetech pi v1.2

tender wren
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Use an available linux distribution and install Home Assistant Docker container

placid sage
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thanks I will try

raven forge
peak jetty
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hey need some help i installed docker and docker desktop on fedora and also the container for home assistant but after starting home assistant i dont get any errors and still can't connect to the home assistant server

void wharf
void wharf
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so I couldn't find a recent full backup and didn't want to roll back that far since too much has changed since then. I restored the image I took before and threw a fresh install on a smaller 8GB SD. I then imaged just the hassos-overlay partition by itself and restored that over partition7 on the original SD. I can now boot to a CLI and am doing core check and seeing if I can resolve the overlay2 error that comes up and restore web access

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I may have made the last full backup local and not network

raven forge
void wharf
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well then that isn't my problem... I could have sworn I took a more recent manual backup

ruby void
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I've got my HA Yellow installed and cannot get Aqara devices to be found. I 'believe' I've enabled Zigbee on the HA Yellow and can search for Zigbee devices, but none are found. I have the Aqara Hub G3 and multiple motion and moisture sensors.

crude inlet
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@ruby void you would either pair the devices to the yellow, or use the aqara gateway integration for a hub I believe. I don't know if the g3 is covered by that

polar hull
upbeat tusk
low notch
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that sounds... very insecure

wispy mist
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hi

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Ciao a tutti

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installed
Home Assistant
Core 2023.11.2
Frontend 20231030.2
on my QNAP.
Don't show add repository function.

neon fossil
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I entered the web page for more than 1 hour did not welcome, so who can help me solve it, please. (I am Chinese, so I can't type so fast, please take care of me, thank you!)

viscid sigil
wispy mist
raven forge
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Depends on your NAS. Some of QNAP's models can run VMs no?

viscid sigil
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Or you can just run Docker versions of any application you want instead of addons.

fallen lichen
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You'll have to convey the issues you're running into first

surreal jetty
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ok thanks

fickle bolt
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Hi there. I have an Odroid N2 + that i was given as a gift a year or so ago. I want to set it up, but it's sitting on the "preparing home assistant" page for hours, and not doing anything else. I am assuming that something is keeping it from installing updates or whatnot. What should be my next step?

raven forge
raven forge
sand frost
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With a haos install... If an update just doesn't work (start the update, and come back in 15 minutes and the system has rebooted, but it's still the same version) where would I look for logs?

raven forge
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The supervisor logs. There's a selection on the top right

humble scaffoldBOT
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Logs

Open your Home Assistant instance and show your Home Assistant logs

sand frost
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@raven forge okay thank you

fickle bolt
# raven forge Is there a circle? If yes try clicking it

Yeah, there was, and I should have mentioned that I have accessed the logs. And it looks to me like it's trying and somehow failing to install a new version of Home Assistant. I should mention a couple of things:

  1. This is a Home Assistant Blue model. I think i got it in december 2021, or 2022. I didn't get a chance to use it until now. I am not surprised that it needs to update.
  2. I have attempted to turn it on several times, and each time it does the same thing, but also that means that there are a lot of logs. Nearly 160k lines in all.
  3. I opened it up last time, in hopes that there was an SD card I could just overwrite the new OS onto, but it doesn't seem to have one. I am at a loss as to how to proceed.
raven forge
void wadi
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i installed homeassistant on a container but on settings > dashboard i cant see the three dots to add the resources. is this possible with a container? will i need to change to mode yaml on lovelace?

humble scaffoldBOT
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User profile

Open your Home Assistant instance and show your Home Assistant user's profile

raven forge
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Go to your profile and enable advanced mode

void wadi
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yeah that was it thanks 🙂

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at least for the first configuration it is easier to set it up with the ui

pallid cipher
heavy jungle
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@pallid cipher i had same. Just left it for few hours and it was installed.

pallid cipher
heavy jungle
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But it not my last problem) For now some addons not installs. SSH addon installed for 1 hour
HACS can't install at all. Stops on 99% downloading hacs.zip. From other VM on same server all file

pallid cipher
# pallid cipher Many thanks for your fast reply. I will try the same then. I will keep you infor...

Still no change in the current situation: supervisor.docker.interface] Downloading docker image ghcr.io/home-assistant/green-homeassistant with tag 2023.11.2. [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/green-homeassistant:2023.11.2: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.43/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/green-homeassistant:2023.11.2/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/green-homeassistant:2023.11.2") [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec

dull ridge
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Got some Switchbot devices from BF sales. Hub 2 installation worked via Matter on HA Green, but the temp sensors don't show up (apparently on the roadmap by the end of the year). Ordered USB BT dongle from Amz, the dongle installation was a doddle and now 3 closest sensors are showing up on HA Green as well.

fathom rock
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this is what im getting
[supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2023.11.2: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.43/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2023.11.2/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2023.11.2")

halcyon laurel
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hi I have a docker compose hass installation that I would like to move to another machine. Is there somewhere a doc describing how to do that?

keen heart
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Hi, I try to install HA OS on a VM on my NAS (truenas scale). The installation looks good, when I try to launch it, the IP address indicated on the interface does not work (192.168.1.4:8123). On the other hand, that of the observer works (192.168.1.4357).
I can see this information:
Home Assistant observer
Supervisor: Connected
Supported: Supported
Healthy: Healthy

Anyone have any idea why the IP address isn't working?

halcyon laurel
paper delta
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Hi! I just installed HA on a RPi3 and wanted to know if there's any way to use the same Rpi I used for the instalation as a kiosk as it has a connected touchscreen

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I've seen videos of the kiosk mode installation, but if I understood correctly, that is for another Rpi

low notch
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Not with haOS

paper delta
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oof

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can I install another os that would let me run the home assistant on the raspberry and use it as a kiosk?

low notch
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Yes

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But if you need addons you will not be happy

paper delta
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oooooof

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i would just want it to connect to an esp32

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the pi would just work as something like an alexa with screen

pallid cipher
heavy jungle
errant grove
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That'd pull the latest image, not one of a specific date. If the dated one is gone from the server, that would cause this issue.

peak laurel
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So. I went to upgrade to the latest docker image, and I'm finding that the "restore" option doesn't show up, like a couple guides (recent) say it should. Does it only appear if the system detects an image to restore from, or is that gone from the onboarding.html page?

viral snow
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Hi All, I’m new to HA just wondering if there are any good YouTube playlists to guide me through the setup and use. I have it setup on a VM running Ubuntu and then docker and pertainer. Wanna integrate everything into apple HomeKit

grand pivot
peak laurel
sand frost
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is there a decent, raspberry pi alternative that isn't super expensive, and can be quickly migrated to from a haOS install on a pi 3?

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my pi3 is slow as f*** and I have to troubleshoot a bunch of crap, but it takes forever to even reboot the damn system

raven forge
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Buy a (U)SFF/Mini PC

errant grove
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I found a $100 dell on ebay

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Just install linux mint or something else on it and there ya go, server

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Or use an old laptop. Those have batteries in case your power goes out. You can track that.

raven forge
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Servers usually don't have desktop environments. Besides, they want to use HAOS.

feral drift
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update to this, figured I'd go through how I took care of this issue as I managed to figure it out:

  • with VM off, with physical access to the server, I made a network bridge in Cockpit instead of doing so in CLI - making sure I erased previous attempts as well before doing so
  • after doing so via Cockpit, I finally had a setup where it retained LAN access + full internet access, but had a new MAC and IP address
  • my modem/router automatically reserves local IP addresses for devices - i had to delete the old DHCP reservation in its config for my server so it could re-obtain its original IP address later
  • after I deleted the old DHCP reservation, I ran ip addr to get the MAC address of the bridge device & put that into my modem to make a new DHCP reservation manually for the original IP
  • then I brought the link down & immediately back up again so it obtained the correct IP from the router's DHCP server (nmcli con down br0, then nmcli con up br0)
  • used virsh to define + autostart a new network interface (host-bridge), then edit the guest config so it used that interface & a "virtio" model network adapter instead of "e1000"
  • booted the VM once again, logged into its terminal, ran ip addr to get its IP and MAC. then I manually made a DHCP reservation in my router for it, as I wanted it to use an IP with only a 1-digit difference from the server that the VM runs on, and rebooted the VM so I could access it at that IP - solely for convenience lol, not absolutely necessary.
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effectively, what I seemed to miss the entire time is that the bridge got a different MAC address & therefore gets a different IP - with how tired I was that day I probably was completely glossing over that & was still trying to reach my server itself at the IP assigned to its old MAC. so uh, if y'all have the same problem & use an ISP-provided modem/router (made by ARRIS, provided by Frontier Communications), check if that has a DHCP reservation feature on that saves IP addresses for devices

quaint drum
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can i download the Home assistant OS with a USB-stick, I want to remove the usb stick after the installation if so which tutorial is it because i only find a tutorial for the internal medium

humble mirage
quaint drum
humble mirage
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Is your USB stick internal?

quaint drum
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external

humble mirage
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Then what's the problem?

quaint drum
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that if i remove the stick my computer doesn't run the HAOS

humble mirage
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To write the HAOS image to the boot medium on your x86-64 hardware, there are 2 different methods

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read that

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(scroll up a little from the link above)

quaint drum
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but that is the tutorial that i have already followed

humble mirage
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The one about using Ubuntu?

quaint drum
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and then it runs on my stick so if i were to remove the stick my pc doesn't have an OS

humble mirage
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Then you didn't follow the right one, or you didn't follow it correctly

quaint drum
humble mirage
quaint drum
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But it only tells me to insert it and restart, but i have already done taht

humble mirage
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So, you didn't follow the rest of the HA instructions then?

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The part about Then follow from step 2

quaint drum
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I did

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with etcher?

humble mirage
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On Ubuntu

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And you wrote the image to the internal drive?

quaint drum
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External

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Ill just take my hard drive from the server home and put it in my desktop to flash it to my hard drive directly

gentle tiger
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Im having problems right now, melcloud app works but not in home assistant

storm sonnet
gentle tiger
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Did is just solve itself after a while?

brazen basin
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My HA container is rocking on my Raspberry Pi5. It works great. There was doubt some weeks ago. I can confirm that it works great.

brazen basin
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Pi5 is blazingly faster than Pi4.
Using the same SSD, with the same Ubuntu installation it compiles my docker container at 3.5x the speed. Wow.

last coral
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lately ive been having an issue where the docker logs are filling up, taking up the entire space of my docker image

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it seems to be 'docker logs' for the container, not HA logs

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hmm, it might actually be zigbee stuff.. trying to confirm now

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yeah, seems i left zigbee debug logging on

storm sonnet
# gentle tiger Did is just solve itself after a while?

The other day it just sorted itself out after a few hours. Randomly the melcloud app had signed me out and HA worked after I signed back into the app; not sure if that was coincidence. I tried signing out and back into the app earlier and it didn't help this time.

mortal tiger
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Hey everyone. I've got something I can't seem to figure out and was told this channel may be able to help.

I'm running haos in vmware workstation 17 and it doesn't seem like open-vm-tools is working.. i ran ps ax|grep vmware to see if they were running and it did come back with one vmware result that was running, so I'm assuming that they're installed and running.. I've done a bunch of google searches and have seen that open-vm-tools is supposedly installed during the buildroot process that builds the vm itself.. but the vm isn't acting like they're installed. i can't suspend the guest vm, and whenever i'm on the command line in the vm, it grabs my mouse/keyboard and I have to ctrl-alt to give them back to the host machine.. any thoughts?

raven forge
mortal tiger
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I ran systemctl list-unit-files vm* and it returned vmtoolsd.service enabled enabled

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not sure what disk file I used, is there somewhere I can look to find that info?

raven forge
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The name of the attached disk to the VM should help

mortal tiger
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and yes, grabbing is related to the destop env (window 11, in this case) of the host, but the guest needs to have vmtools installed for it to be seamless, otherwise you have to use ctrl-alt inside the guest to relinquish control

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ok, give me a second and Ill look at the disk file name

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ok, "hoas_ova-9.5.vmdk"

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i've done a few os upgrades via the HA interface since installing it, so it may actually be running a newer version of the os, but thats the one I started from

raven forge
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What I meant is that there's no desktop environment in HAOS. I believe a VM has to run one for this to work. Not sure though.
The disk looks correct. The service is also there so that's fine.

mortal tiger
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aah, nope, it works fine in my other ubuntu/debian/etc linux cl only vm guests once I install open-vm-tools package

ripe isle
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how to run home assistans core on linux with custom port

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with docker

mortal tiger
# raven forge Which disk file did you use? What does `systemctl list-unit-files` say? The grab...

in regards to that github link, it looks like it's got the hardware suspend options modified a bit, HandleSuspendKey is ignored, but HandleSuspendKeyLongPress is still set to suspend, and SuspendKeyIgnoreInhibited is commented out, so it looks like suspend functionality in general is still in there somewhere. and since VMware workstation initiates suspend via a system command and not a virtual/physical button press, it shouldn't matter how the hardware options are modified. at least that's how I read it, I'm fully new to Buildroot and so I couldn't be wrong there

raven forge
raven forge
mortal tiger
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gotcha. thanks for the help so far, and if there's anything else I can try, please let me know. the keyboard/mouse issue is fairly minor as I don't spend a lot of time in the vm cli, but the suspend issue is one that's a little more annoying.. anytime that I have to reboot my host machine, I have to manually shutdown the haos vm, and then when it comes back up, I have a bunch of automations that fire off notifications that aren't accurate and I have to message family members to ignore them.

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minor annoyance in the grand scheme of things, but still, figure it doesn't hurt to ask and try and get it figured out

void wharf
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how long should it take to restore a full backup to a fresh install of HomeAssistant?

raven forge
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Depends on backup size, disk speed, processor, etc.

void wharf
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385MB on a pi4

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there doesn't seem to be any progress indicator

raven forge
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You can check the log via ha supervisor logs with a keyboard and monitor or via SSH if it's running

keen heart
# feral drift update to this, figured I'd go through how I took care of this issue as I manage...

Hi @feral drift, I have the same problems you encountered, but I'm not sure I understand your solution.

  • I create the bridge from my NAS (Truenas) and not through Cockpit, does that change anything?
  • The IP address is not entered on my modem, but is it mandatory for a VM even if we stay in a local network?
  • I don't understand the point of the commands: nmcli con down br0, then nmcli con up br0
  • I don't understand the point of the host-bridge either.
    I am a beginner on these systems and I will need your advice to better understand and solve my problem.
feral drift
# keen heart Hi <@211110945718665216>, I have the same problems you encountered, but I'm not ...

As for the first question I can’t really answer, at least not right now - all I can note is:

  • make sure you have physical access so you can enter your server’s terminal & delete the bridge, in case it breaks anything
  • the “nmcli” commands are for NetworkManager - if what you’re running doesn’t use NetworkManager, use whatever the equivalent on your system is to shutdown the link & bring it back up again.
  • the “host-bridge” is so the VM can access your LAN, as if it were another physical computer plugged into your network instead of a virtual machine. Effectively, it’s like a virtual network switch hub - you plug in one Ethernet cable from your router as a source, then however many devices you want, and all of them connect to the router with only one cable physically going to the router.
  • It isn’t necessarily mandatory to reserve the DHCP addresses in your modem - I more or less did so for convenience. If you haven’t set up anything around your NAS already, just make the bridge, then run “ip addr” on your NAS to find what its new IP is, so you can then SSH into it again & continue setup without being physically present at the server.
ancient jetty
#

does anyone know why everything is so slow to load both apps and web browser?

feral drift
#

there can be other factors, but get that out of the way first

ancient jetty
ancient jetty
feral drift
#

an ookla speed test will mean nothing - that tests your speed against an external server, not the maximum capable speed that your network hardware has established as possible with the NIC

ancient jetty
#

this?

feral drift
#

yeah, that

ancient jetty
#

one sec

feral drift
#

if it's plugged into a switch you can also check the network switch itself, most Netgear switches will show a yellow light for 10/100 links but green for 1000/gigabit links

ancient jetty
#

when i open the app it says network utility is obsolete

dry panther
#

Question at the Proxmox guys :

Better install via UEM or LXC?
Lxc(container ) had less features ?

brittle sail
wooden smelt
brittle sail
#

Nice thx

mortal tiger
ancient jetty
#

so if it will happen again i will be back to you thank you though!

void wharf
raven forge
sand frost
#

Hi! is it possible to pull a current installation /configuration of HAOS on a PI into a VM on a windows machine, and have things actually work? Or do I need to start working toward a full rebuild from scratch?

grand pivot
#

Should be no problem

sand frost
#

Is that as simple as... install HAOS on a vm, take a backup of the pi, restore said backup onto the vm, configure passthrough ports and VM stuffs, and presto?

raven forge
#

Pretty much

sand frost
#

sweet. I'll get started on that...

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My general problem lies in the fact that there are a bunch of un-resolved issues with my install, but a reboot takes damn near 10-15 minutes before I'm back up and running, and everything is just slower that I'd like. I feel like moving it to a VM on my gaming PC would be much quicker to resolve these issues, and then at some point maybe push back to a small form factor PC (like a pi 5 or something, idk)

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for example... I can't update home assistant core from 10.1 to 11.2. It just doesn't update, reboots a few times, and then still stays on 10.2. Tried using docker compose to pull a new version and force the update that way, but that doesn't work because I don't have docker compose, and the other method looks a little too intimidating with the time I have available

graceful imp
#

I have a 512Gb SSD i want to use with Raspberry Pi for install. Can you recommend which install I should do? Better to do docker?

raven forge
#

It would be my choice for a pi.

sand frost
#

I'm having a hard time nailing down any log-entries related to failed updates of home assistant core... this is closest I've found...

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@sand frost I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
placid sage
#

5 weeks ago I started with HA. the installation was easy on a old Intel NUC. Almost all devices in my house were found and ready to be configured. Some where allready configured, like my Homewizard devices. All where easily recognisable because the serial numer was part of the entity.id like eg. energy-socket.abcd1234 and many in the dutch language eg. "Home wizard P1 slimme meter". Super easy to work with. Because this was test I used a old pc. Now I would like to start over and use a new faster PC. Yesterday I installed HA again using a newer and faster NUC. When the installation was complete all device where found like the first time but now all entity.id are English and the device serialnumber is not in the entity.id. so now the name is energy-socket.1 and energy-socket.2, "Home wizard P1 slimme meter" is now "Home wizard P1 smart meter" and "actueel vermogen" is now "active power". Terrible. Copying a dashboard (raw) to the new PC results in many error messages entity not found. I use the same install process on both machines, the only differnce is old is 10.2 and the new 11.1. I desperately looking for a answer, did I do something wrong or can I change setting to prevent this from happening. I really hope someone can help or point me in the rights direction to find a answer

raven forge
#

I don't have an answer to your actual question I'm just curious why you didn't restore a backup of the old system.

keen heart
feral drift
#

Unless you’re reading your terminal output wrong - the bridge should have an IPv4 address when you’ve added your primary interface to it, the primary interface itself shouldn’t display an IP when you run “ip addr”

keen heart
#

Yes, the MAC address of the bridge is different to the MAC address of my NAS

feral drift
#

So the bridge itself is getting an IPv4, or is it not?

keen heart
#

no, but the primary interface yes

raven forge
#

Just a little tip. If someone gives you a command to run they usually expect you to share the output of it

feral drift
# keen heart no, but the primary interface yes

As far as I’m concerned, the primary interface shouldn’t have an IP address anymore after making a bridge - I’m not sure offhand how to unassign the IP from it on the server itself

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You may also need to specifically tell your router to reserve an IP for the bridge’s MAC address in its DHCP settings

keen heart
humble mirage
#

Not for the LAN, no

#

The planet shares 192.168.x.y

void wharf
#

ok I don't like the age of my last full backup which is something I plan to fix once I get up and running again. I do eventually plan to migrate to a clustered install. But until then I'm trying to get my pi4 install back up. I found the biggest issue stopping my boot was a corrupt hassos-overlay which I cloned from a fresh install. but I see errors on startup such as this:

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[supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2023.11.2: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.43/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2023.11.2/json: Internal Server Error ("layer does not exist")

keen heart
#

What I see wihout bridge:
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
link/ether 30:85:a9:9d:53:56 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.1.20/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global enp3s0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 2a04:cec2:2d:3532:3285:a9ff:fe9d:5356/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 fe80::3285:a9ff:fe9d:5356/64 scope link
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

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and with bridge:
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000
link/ether 30:85:a9:9d:53:56 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.1.20/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global enp3s0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
...
21: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
link/ether d6:da:31:ed:2b:d3 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet6 2a04:cec2:2d:3532:d4da:31ff:feed:2bd3/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

#

On the physical access, I see IPV6 address for the bridge

keen heart
warm crypt
#

Hey guys, hope this is the correct channel. I had to disconnect the breaker, on which my Pi that is running my HA installation is connected to, yesterday and ever since HA is not starting fully. All I get is the following message [WARN] Home Assistant CLI not starting! Jump into emergency console… I tried searching it up but couldn't find anything. Is that a sign that the SD card is toast or is there something to try to fix it?

humble mirage
#

Did you cleanly shut the host down first?

warm crypt
#

I did not, I was a bit stupid and forgot about it

humble mirage
#

May be time to do a fresh install and restore a backup, if you have one

warm crypt
#

So nothing I can do in the console?

humble mirage
#

Without knowing the problem?

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You need logs to start with

warm crypt
#

I thought it might be possible to find out the problem. But guess not then

humble mirage
#

You get a console?

warm crypt
#

yes I do

#

at least ls works as a command

humble mirage
#

Then you can use the ha command to get logs

warm crypt
#

oh, that gives me an error message Error response from deamon: Container ... is not running but it also reports undervoltage on the power supply I have connected it to so I will be back

#

alright, since I only get that error message I think it is fair to assume I should check my back ups right? Or can I manually try to start the container?

humble mirage
#

If you're not in a rush somebody will be along later who knows HAOS

warm crypt
#

Either option will take a while for me. As long as I get it working again this week I am good. Thank you for now. May I request a ping from the next person trying to help, because I sometimes forget to check the channels xD

keen heart
# keen heart I will try

So it's better! I don't know why, but few minutes laters IPv4 appears and so the NAS is accessible from the new address. However, the Home Assistant IP address indicated on the interface does not work. Is there anything else to do?

lethal bough
#

hi Guys got aa question about Samba on Home Assistant am I right here?

humble mirage
lethal bough
#

oh sure sry

feral drift
feral drift
#

You may also instead want to try accessing the web UI by host name - try “homeasssistant.local:8123” instead of using its IP.

warm crypt
void wharf
#

anyone know the fix for
[supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2023.11.2: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.43/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2023.11.2/json: Internal Server Error ("layer does not exist")

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I ran docker rmi and then did a new pull request

#

but still seems to be my error on startup

void wharf
#

interesting quirk too on boot it shows Home Assistant URL with the port change in my config, but I get the url resolving on the default 8123

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Home Assistant observer
Supervisor: Connected
Supported: Supported
Healthy: Healthy

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@keen heart I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
feral drift
#

make sure you've made an alternate network to switch the VM to before you edit its config - if you haven't made "host-bridge" in virsh yet, make "host-bridge.xml" with the following contents:

<network>
   <name>host-bridge</name>
   <forward mode="bridge"/>
   <bridge name="br0"/>
</network>
  • make sure the bridge name matches the name of your actual bridge on your server
keen heart
feral drift
#

yes

feral drift
keen heart
#

error: failed to connect to the hypervisor
error: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory

feral drift
#

do you have some other means of managing the VM via a web UI?

keen heart
#

yes there is a web UI

#

but I don't if we can create an host-bridge with the web UI

feral drift
keen heart
#

/var/run/libvirt --> this path exists
But libvirt-sock not exists

feral drift
#

make sure the libvirt daemon is running?

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systemctl status libvirtd

keen heart
#

I'm not sure of anything ^^

feral drift
#

check if it's running with that systemctl command, or whatever your server uses for managing running services

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@keen heart I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
keen heart
#

it seems active but with some errors?

feral drift
#

perhaps sudo systemctl restart libvirtd ?

#

then try to make the bridge network again

#

oh yeah, maybe systemctl enable libvirtd

keen heart
feral drift
feral drift
keen heart
#

root@truenas[/var/run/libvirt]# systemctl status libvirtd

● libvirtd.service - Virtualization daemon
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/libvirtd.service; enabled; preset: disabled)
Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-11-21 21:50:48 CET; 3min 3s ago
Docs: man:libvirtd(8)
https://libvirt.org
Main PID: 1300765 (libvirtd)
Tasks: 20 (limit: 32768)
Memory: 14.2M
CPU: 283ms
CGroup: /system.slice/libvirtd.service
└─1300765 /usr/sbin/libvirtd --timeout 120

Nov 21 21:50:48 truenas systemd[1]: Starting libvirtd.service - Virtualization daemon...
Nov 21 21:50:48 truenas systemd[1]: Started libvirtd.service - Virtualization daemon.

feral drift
keen heart
#

same:
virsh # net-define host-bridge.xml
error: failed to connect to the hypervisor
error: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory

#

libvirt-sock steel not present

feral drift
#

does your system package list include qemu, qemu-kvm, libvirt-clients, libvirt-daemon-system, virtinst, and bridge-utils

#

(or, whatever the distribution-equivalents are? - these are package names for Ubuntu, your system may be using packages with different names that do the same thing)

keen heart
#

on /var/run/libvirt?

void wharf
#

Don't know how I managed to rollback to 11.1 but I am back up and running, I think I snuck the update command in just in time after startup

feral drift
# keen heart on /var/run/libvirt?

in any directory - check your system's list of installed packages for those particular packages. you may be missing some things for KVM

keen heart
#

I found only qemu package

late merlin
#

Anyone using Home Assistant from a ProxMox LXC?

humble mirage
#

People are... but they can't answer the question until you ask it 😉

late merlin
#

I'm not sure I understand the restrictions I'll face if I run it as an LXC vs a VM

#

What will I not be able to do?

humble mirage
#

No meaningful difference

late merlin
#

Ok, but LXC is theoretically less resource intensive, right?

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Not that HA is a beast or anything...

raven forge
#

It will probably save you a few hundred MBs of memory

late merlin
#

Today my Home A is an unraid VM but I bought 3x Beelink EQ12 to mess with as a ProxMox High Avail cluster. Noodling if it's worth converting.... The HAHA part sounds fun 😊

raven forge
late merlin
#

Ah, that's good to know

fallen lichen
#

<@&330946878646517761> ^

warm crypt
fallen lichen
#

Did you fix your PSU problem and restart.... same issues?

warm crypt
#

Yes, same issue

fallen lichen
#

Anything interesting in dmesg?

warm crypt
#

it is showing me a lot of stuff there, what am I looking for?

warm crypt
#

I couldn't really find anything concerning, but I don't know what type of thing is should be looking for

#

I am getting a few of these messages though docker0: port 1(vethc...) entered disabled state

warm crypt
#

is it supposed to be a read only fs?

#

I feel like trying to figure this out is too much of a hassle. If I reinstall from a backup, do I need to readopt my entire zha network? I've seen a backup option in zha but didn't ask before everything broke :/

humble mirage
#

No, the backup includes that

echo flicker
warm crypt
undone horizon
#

Hi guys, not sure if this is the right forum or not for this type of query but I have been trying for days to get my home assistant server up and running, finally got all the way to where I managed to run it using Hyper-V and it loads but wont connect. I have got the logs showing the error. Thanks in advance.

empty bloom
#

hyper-v?

undone horizon
#

yeah for my virtual server

empty bloom
#

is there a reason you're going the most painful route?

undone horizon
#

couldnt get it running with any of the others... oracle was my first choice but it gives me an error code on startup that i cant navigate around no matter what I have tried

empty bloom
#

Why are you using windows?

undone horizon
#

because I have a windows pc XD and I am new to all this

empty bloom
#

If you're just starting out and you don't understand virtualization, I recommend shelling out the cash to get a cheap dedicated computer to do this

#

otherwise you're not going to get much help going a full hyper-v route. Most people go virtual box

#

hyper-v will land you in 89237498729487239847298 random issues related to hardware once you get it up and running

undone horizon
#

i see. yeah i dont want to spend anything really on setting it up, have a solid pc this side that does run well and can run 24/7, i have very few items i want to actually add to this its mostly for NFC functionality XD

empty bloom
undone horizon
#

virtual box gives me following error on startup

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Failed to acquire the VirtualBox COM object.

The application will now terminate.

Error in C:\Users\dylan.VirtualBox\VirtualBox.xml (line 21) -- UUID "{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}" has zero format.

D:\tinderboxa\win-7.0\src\VBox\Main\src-server\VirtualBoxImpl.cpp[830] (long __cdecl VirtualBox::init(void)).

Result Code:E_FAIL (0X80004005)
Component:VirtualBoxWrap
Interface:IVirtualBox {7682d5eb-f00e-44f1-8ca2-99d08b1cd607}
Callee:IVirtualBoxClient {d2937a8e-cb8d-4382-90ba-b7da78a74573}

empty bloom
#

you're running this on win7?

undone horizon
#

win 11

#

first time i opened it, it worked. played around a little and then next time i opened it i get this error, uninstalled reinstalled and same error no matter what

empty bloom
#

Sorry, It's been a few years since I've touched any VM. You'll have to wait for someone more knowledgeable to roll through.

zealous nebula
#

Im looking at installing home assistant on unraid... I have frigate setup as its own docker container, my question is: should i install home assistant as a container and install frigate within the HA container?

Or should i just install HA as a container and keep frigate as its own container?

grand pivot
#

install home assistant as a container and install frigate within the HA container?
You can't do that

#

Or should i just install HA as a container and keep frigate as its own container?
You should do that

zealous nebula
grand pivot
#

not if you're comfortable spinning up your own containers for whatever you want to run

#

running HA as a container along with whatever else you want to use is fine

zealous nebula
#

Ok perfect, the downside is i might just end up installing a bunch of containers vs having it all self contained in a vm?

grand pivot
#

all addons are containers anyway, but yes, they'd otherwise be contained in the VM and managed for you

zealous nebula
#

ok sweet, might try find a spare nvme laying around and just get a vm going this weekend 😄

warm crypt
#

Are addons not being restored from backups?

grand pivot
#

they are

tender wren
#

But they need a host reboot after a restore to work properly

warm crypt
#

Oh that makes sense

ornate mulch
#

Hello! I've just started with this, I'm trying to install Home Assistant. I seem to have problems with Jinja2 contextfilter. Even though it's officially not supported, would there be a way to fix the error? I've updated python to 3.9.9... The error is ImportError: cannot import name 'contextfilter' from 'jinja2'...

humble mirage
#

Ummm, you need to be on Python 3.11, and not supported means just that... not supported

ornate mulch
#

Yes, I understand you're not obligated to provide support, I was asking just in case because there is a guide for HA on raspberry pi zero w from an admin out there and i figured maybe someone here would know. I apologize if it was the wrong thing to do.

humble mirage
#

Nah, not that nobody's providing support, but #templates-archived don't support all Jinja2 filters

#

So, "not supported" means that HA doesn't have that, you can't "fix" that

manic bane
#

Also python 3.11 is needed, 3.9.9 is also unsupported in that the latest home assistant core won't install on lower

humble mirage
#

And about 2 years out of support

warm crypt
# grand pivot they are

it actually did not for me. I thought maybe I didn't use them, but minimum ESPHome is missing, and same for my backup solution. It is still added as a custom adon but not installed anymore

ripe isle
#

why docker uninstall homeassistant dont work ?

steady carbon
tender wren
ripe isle
#

xd removed

ebon stream
#

Hey folks, anyone else having issues installing the new core update? I seem to be getting a host error that the image cannot be found for my device type so not sure where to raise or to maybe let the devs know? I see now that the download is failing as well with a end of field error and header errors

raven forge
#

Don't describe the log/error, share it

ebon stream
#

I'm trying a fresh go now, will dump

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@ebon stream Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

ebon stream
#

My instance obviously has connection though as I am accessing from public internet to it at the moment.

raven forge
#

I don't expect it to give more information in this case but can you try docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.11.3 via SSH?
Perhaps also try ping time.cloudflare.com. It seems like it can resolve DNS names but not really establish a connection.

ebon stream
#

hmmm I assume you mean ssh to the actual pi vs homeassistant?

#

I tried to use the terminal&sssh addon but I assume thats running in the container so won't help

#

Or is there a way to go from core-ssh to the respective directory/area?

#

ping is fine though

raven forge
#

The Advanced SSH addon can run docker commands if you disable its protection mode.

ebon stream
#

wierd

#

I'm getting a similar error when trying to install the addon

#

also from the same repo ghcr

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Failed to install add-on
Can't install ghcr.io/hassio-addons/ssh/aarch64:16.0.1: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.43/images/create?tag=16.0.1&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhassio-addons%2Fssh%2Faarch64&platform=linux%2Farm64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": net/http: request canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)")

#

Going to try a full reboot of the pi and see if that helps.

kindred matrix
#

Hey all. I'm trying to pull together a .bat file to get my vmware instance to launch in headless mode.

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The command is -nogui but when running

cd "C:\Software\VMware\VMware Player"
vmplayer.exe "C:\Home Assistant\Home Assistant.vmx" -nogui

VMware Workstation just opens with a GUI as usual.

#

I had this working previously but lost the bat file I wrote.

raven forge
#

Try

"C:\Software\VMware\VMware Player\vmplayer.exe" "C:\Home Assistant\Home Assistant.vmx" nogui

No need to cd

kindred matrix
#

Same deal, opened cmd.exe which then opened VMWare Workstation Player.

raven forge
#

Is there a vmrun.exe in that folder?

kindred matrix
#

Oh, there is!

#

Use vmrun.exe instead of vmplayer.exe, I'm assuming?

raven forge
#

Try

"C:\Software\VMware\VMware Player\vmrun.exe" start "C:\Home Assistant\Home Assistant.vmx" nogui

The examples I found also use the -T flag (-T player) but maybe it works without

ebon stream
#

I've had to restore a backup from 24 hours ago as my system became stuck in what seems like a broken install loop. Back to stable but still unable to access the ghcr repo's. I'll give it a couple of days , possibly a isp issue

humble mirage
#

Did you reboot after the restore?

kindred matrix
ebon stream
#

Other items are talking fine all over: weather, solar, internet, eWelink etc

#

specifically that repo address

#

And i have the notifications of the update etc, just can't action

placid sage
#

Hi guys

#

I'm having troubles adding Netatmo camera. Could you please help me with it?

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@frigid copper Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

  1. What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
  2. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
  3. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
  4. What's the exact error message?
  5. When did it arise?
  6. What exactly don't you "get"?
  7. Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?
humble mirage
solemn pine
#

hi

solemn pine
#

Noob question... I've just installed HA for the first time on a docker. I can't access the http. here are some shell commands and output, including the command I used to install. It's on a windows with a WSL 2

xxx@Carbon:~/dev/homeassitant$ pwd
/home/xxx/dev/homeassitant
xxx@Carbon:~/dev/homeassitant$ docker ps -a
CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES
3cb72782696d ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable "/init -p 8123:8123" 23 minutes ago Restarting (2) 4 minutes ago homeassistant
xxx@Carbon:~/dev/homeassitant$ docker run -d --name homeassistant --privileged --restart=unless-stopped -e TZ="Asia/Nicosia" -v /home/xxx/dev/homeassitant/:/config --network=host ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable -p 8123:8123

humble mirage
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Well, WSL is the problem

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HA isn't supported there, because host networking doesn't work

solemn pine
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I see. (and thanks!) I think WSL was offered when I installed Docker. Should I reinstall without?

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I also see an enabled "Use the WSL 2 based engine" in the seetings. should I simply disable it?
(I'm running docker for the first time, and using it only for HA)

humble mirage
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Have you looked at the Windows install guide for HA?

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(we know the answer is no 😉 )

solemn pine
humble mirage
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There's a whole section for Windows

solemn pine
humble mirage
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Did you actually read that page?

humble mirage
humble scaffoldBOT
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@solemn pine When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
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  1. HAOS in a virtual machine
  2. Core in WSL (note, no Docker)
solemn pine
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I don't have any virtual machine setup. do I need one of these: VirtualBox (.vdi)
KVM (.qcow2)
Vmware Workstation (.vmdk)
Hyper-V (.vhdx)
?

humble mirage
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Yes

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if you want to run HA on Windows then a VM is the only sane option

solemn pine
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I see. Can you recommend of those would be simple to install? assuming it would only serve HA?

humble mirage
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VirtualBox is probably the simplest, there should be plenty of videos on that if you like those

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The challenge is getting it to auto-start on Windows boot, but that should be documented too

solemn pine
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I just want to play with it on my laptop until my dedicated mini pc arrives for the real installation...

solemn pine
south parrot
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Happy Thanksgiving to All I have Home Assistant as a VM on Virtual Box running on Windows 11 Laptop. I had to restart the laptop for update the other day. After the laptop restarted HA was started and it obtained another IP Address. IN HA I set the network to static and saved that info but it still picked up new address. Can I change the address in HA to the previous address it had? Is there a way to use hostname?

humble scaffoldBOT
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Network

Open your Home Assistant instance and manage your systems network configuration

raven forge
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How did you set the static ip?
Not entirely sure what you mean with Is there a way to use hostname?
If you use DHCP your router usually provides that functionality. You can also use the mDNS hostname (homeassistant.local) but I don't recommend that.

south parrot
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In Home Assistant went to settings then networks it was set to automatic I changed it to static. maybe I did not hit the save button . I see many save buttons in the network section So I changed the ip address back and saved it this time. Restarted HA and the ip address was what I set as sstatic in HA

raven forge
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Hopefully it sticks. I'd still recommend putting it into your router's DHCP reservation list even if it's outside its DHCP range if you didn't already.

ebon stream
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Is there a way to manually download packages or updates?

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ie: not in homeassitant but from another machine and put them on a lan share that it can access

ebon stream
# raven forge I don't expect it to give more information in this case but can you try `docker ...

I installed the advanced SSH addon ( not too sure how, it seems to have downloaded info in patches ) and managed to get on and do a docker pull. Watching the ui, a few files were already downloaded and then it got to a slightly larger one, that took a bit of time but then my system disconnected and died. Could it possibly be a bad sector on the sd card? Because the fact that it recieved more than half the files show its communicating. I did do the whole dns reset and force to 1.1.1.1 as well

raven forge
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Not sure. What did the monitor display while it disconnected and died?

ebon stream
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I'm running it remotely but something seems to be dying when downloading the files

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can't take it right now but it shows like

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xxxxxxx: already exists

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aaaaaa: downloading [--->]

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but when my ssh reconnects I can see the process is going on in the background

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but I think thats whats happening, the HA is restarting the whole time or something is

raven forge
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I'd connect a monitor so you can better see what's happening

ebon stream
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yeah I ust want to see if it still progresses , otherwise I'll go fetch the board and psu and hookit up to my monitor, its tucked away

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its a proper pi psu so not power starved

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but I think the sd might be dying

raven forge
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With a SSD/HDD you could check its health. I don't think you can for most SD Cards.
You could check if the host logs contain something interesting.

ebon stream
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logs are pretty clean, been going through them, only thing is the "timeout"

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I do see some folks reckon to rather boot from USB vs SD due to large writes

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Any idea what the phrase Pulling FS Layer means?

raven forge
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It's certainly a more reliable choice (when used with a powered USB hub) but I'm not sure what the issue is so I can't really recommend anything to fix it.

ebon stream
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hmmm I' going to park it for now, force a cycle and then in Decemebr do a move to a USB boot away from the SD and see what happens,

humble scaffoldBOT
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@placid sage I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
humble mirage
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https://homeassistant.local:8123 will throw errors - that's how SSL works

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You have to use your DuckDNS domain

placid sage
humble mirage
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Use whatever port you forwarded

placid sage
humble scaffoldBOT
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@proud panther When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
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Ok, so start by checking the WAN IP shown in the router's admin pages

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Does that match what your DuckDNS hostname resolves to?

placid sage
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ok i have no idea what i have to check - sorry for that

humble mirage
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Log in to your router's admin interface

placid sage
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yep

humble mirage
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You want to check the WAN IP

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internet -> online monitor

placid sage
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yes thats not matching with the duckdns one

humble mirage
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Ok, that's the problem, now to work out why

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What are the first two sets of numbers, eg 192.0.

placid sage
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100.65.

humble mirage
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CGNAT.... you're fucked

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Ask your ISP if there's a static IP option

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Otherwise you need your own domain for Cloudflare Tunnel or you need to buy the Nabu Casa cloud service

raven forge
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Or use something like tailscale unless it has to be wide open.

placid sage
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okay thanks for the help - i need to go but i will try it tomorrow

frosty path
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I tried to install HAOS on an RPI5 8GB. So far the OS is not comming up. I see no network lights though the RPI is connected with ethernet. Is there something else I have to do?

tender wren
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You have to wait until January/February early 2024

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With a bit of luck maybe less

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Saying: it is not supported yet

frosty path
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ok

glad bay
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Hey ! I have reinstalled home assistant to do some more stuff. I again want to set it up via wifi. I know it's not recommended, but my wifi is good, and it would be much easier not to worry about the ethernet cable and where to plug it ( i dont have many spots i can plug it in).

Last time, I followed this guidehttps://community.home-assistant.io/t/guide-connecting-pi-with-home-assistant-os-to-wifi-or-other-networking-changes/98768
But I realise that now, you can set up wifi via the settings. Ive done this, it says its properly connected to the wifi, however, as soon as i unplug the ethernet cable, i can't get back into home assistant. I tried rebooting it, but same, until I plug the ethernet again. Is this normal or am I doing this wrong?

formal sapphire
glad bay
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well, I tried both. I now tried to follow the link's instruction. I've set the ip adress as ending by 22. When its plugged via ethernet, i can detecft on 192.168.1.22, but when I unplug it it first show as 192.168.1.191, and then disappears, so I don't know what to do now...

glad bay
glad bay
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Yup, I've tried again, but sitll can't connect without ethernet...

pulsar cape
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Does anyone have any idea what's going on when trying to install home assistant:

glad bay
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Okay, I've actually found changing to wifi works, it's just that when I set a specific adres with set ipv4.addresses, i lose any way of connecting via wifi, don't know why

ripe isle
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where i found docker instalation mode to change default port without manual edition conf..yml ?

tame heart
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yo my windows setup isnt working

foggy dagger
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says its in a freeze state, whatever that means.

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never heard of that on HA before

tame heart
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im not support but i think i know what to do try rebooting the server your HA is running on and try again

foggy dagger
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i restarted ha but ill try to restart the whole vm

tame heart
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ok go from there

foggy dagger
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alr

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rebooting rn

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ill try again in a sec when its done

tame heart
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ok

foggy dagger
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alr now its seems to be letting me restore

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ill update in a few minutes when this should be done

tame heart
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alr good

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ok happy to help

foggy dagger
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thx

tame heart
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your welcome

tame heart
foggy dagger
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im using proxmox with a sh template to install everything for me

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what are you having trouble with though

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ive only installed ha on linux but i might be able to help

tame heart
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BdsDxe: failed to load Boot0001 "UEFI UBOX CD-ROM UBO-01f003f6 " from
nd
BdsDxe: failed to load Boot0002 "UEFI UBOX HARDDISK UB5cc66c68-4ccc2746
ot Found
BdsDxe: No bootable option or device was found
BdsDxe: Press any key to enter the Boot Manager Menu
PciRoot (0x0)/Pci (0x1.0x1)/Ata (Primary,Master,0x0): Not Fou
from PciRoot (0x0)/Pci (0xD,0x0)/Sata (0x0,0xFFFF,0x0): M
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VirtualBox

foggy dagger
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so you are using virtual box?

tame heart
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yeah

foggy dagger
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what os ?

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or are you using their thing

tame heart
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windows

foggy dagger
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windows inside virtual box?

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hrmm

tame heart
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virtualbox inside windows

foggy dagger
tame heart
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yeah and chat gpt got me as far as coverting vdi to iso

foggy dagger
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you dont need to do that

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vdi is a virtual box disc image

tame heart
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really?

foggy dagger
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like hard drive

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yeah

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iso is the format for installing an os

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you download their vdi and use their tutorial to create a vm with that hard disc file they give you

tame heart
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ok imma look thru the site and brb if nothing works

foggy dagger
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alr

cyan skiff
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Im not able to get past this. this is the first time Ive loaded HA on a Raspberry Pi. 23-11-24 22:15:02 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Downloading docker image ghcr.io/home-assistant/armv7-hassio-supervisor with tag 2023.11.3.

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Any Ideas?

craggy vigil
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Can someone give me some insight on viewing my blink cameras? I have configured them but I have not been able to view the yet. Thanks in advance.

spice ivy
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Hi, I've been using homeassistant for a long time and it has been working great. I'm using the container install on a vm. But the vm is an old version of Debian now. I was wondering is there any benefit to using homeassistant os instead of container? Because online I read alot of people are trying to do the opposite, os to container. What do you guys recommend? It's on an enterprise server btw so no worries about hardware

grand pivot
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not if you're comfortable installing software in containers manually

raven forge
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Debian is usually very pain free to upgrade within 15 minutes or so. It's also risk free in a VM that you can easily snapshot. I'd keep everything as is.
You can also simply try out HAOS. You can import a docker backup into it. I don't really recommend it for advanced users though.

spice ivy
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My entire setup has changed though, but I'll just make a new Debian vm then

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Thanks for the advice!

unborn crescent
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I installed home assistant, but I'm not able to install additional modules like Plejd and my Sonoff Zigbee USB module.

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I'm really confused about the different "versions" of the server. My linux knowledge is extremely rusty... like 20+ years old

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I installed armbian on a radxa rock4 se board, and the OS itself seems fine

raven forge
peak laurel
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So, I broke my container, but have a backup of my config. I'm switching from container to HAOS. Is it possible to import that config?

Also: What're the suggested specs for HAOS if I run video through it? My spouse like viewing our Ubiquiti security cameras via HA, but they were always choppy when it was running on a Pi. I'm switching to x86 (e5-2660) and was thinking of giving it 4 vcpu/16gb ram. Anyone using it to view security cameras? If so, what're the specs on your instance (regardless of platform)?

unborn crescent
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@raven forge does it mean I cannot use armbian if I need addons?

raven forge
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That's right. It's possible the supervised installer will work but pretty much none of us recommends it

unborn crescent
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Do you happen to know if I can install Debian on the radxa rock 4, and get addons that way=

raven forge
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I have no experience with that device and don't know if packages are available for its architecture. Supervised is generally not recommended.

unborn crescent
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What is your recommended hardware if I need addons?

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I have a old windows 8 minicomputer with 2 cores and 8 gig available 😉

raven forge
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I always recommend (U)SFF/Mini PCs to people. I also suggest virtualization if the hardware (and your will) is strong enough but it's not for everyone.

unborn crescent
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ok, the windows machine is a generic x64 at least

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it even was UEFI 🙂 Never than I feared

raven forge
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UEFI is quite old by now

unborn crescent
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It's a 2-kernel Gigabyte Brix from 2013 🙂

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But it is running right now it seems, at least the CLI

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2 core I mean - I should probably get a more powerful one for this

stiff brook
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what can i do if i get this error An error occured while installing Home Assistant, check the logs below for more information.?
On a raspberry pi

deep frigate
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Has anyone tried these switches in the US ? SONOFF ZBMINI ZigBee Mini Smart Light Switch(2 Way), Compatible with Alexa, SmartThings Hub, Google Home & SONOFF ZBBridge, ZigBee 3.0 Hub Required, Neutral Wire Required, 2-Pack https://a.co/d/e3oxnPn

wheat nymph
raven forge
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Please show screenshots of the Details page of both the VMs

similar
And the exact issue. I cannot reproduce this btw.

cyan skiff
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I keep getting Permission denied when I try to pull a new docker container. todd@HA:~/docker/homeAssistant $ docker pull ghcr.io/ome-assistant/home-assistant:stable
permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker daemon socket at unix:///var/run/docker.sock: Post "http://%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fdocker.sock/v1.24/images/create?fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fome-assistant%2Fhome-assistant&tag=stable": dial unix /var/run/docker.sock: connect: permission denied

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Any Ideas?

raven forge
cyan skiff
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Yes, I tried to use sudo as well with the same error

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Im not sure how to use code blocks

raven forge
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Click the link 🙂

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How did you install docker?

cyan skiff
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Its on a RPI 3, I get the same errors with the pi imager version of Home Assistant as well

raven forge
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Did you log out and back in after adding your user to the group?
What does sudo ls -l /var/run/docker.sock say?
Very strange that it complains with sudo as well. Can you try sudo -i first and then run it again and show me?
Code blocks use backticks btw.

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What OS are you running right now?

cyan skiff
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raspberian light 64

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the log out and back in changed the error.

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Now its todd@HA:~ $ docker pull lscr.io/linuxserver/homeassistant:arm64 Error response from daemon: Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": net/http: request canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)

raven forge
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That's not an officially supported image. Please follow the docs. Does your network generally work reliably? nslookup ghcr.io, ping 1.1.1.1 and so on?
Also check systemctl status docker.service and journalctl -u docker.service

cyan skiff
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where should i be looking for the image?

raven forge
cyan skiff
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Seems to be pulling now. Thanks for the help

raven forge
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What did you change. Just a different image?

cyan skiff
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Logging off and back on i think was the key. and using the official image

stiff tree
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hi quick question, does the raspberry pi install support addons? is it considered OS install?

grand pivot
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assuming you mean Home Assistant OS, yes

stiff tree
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ok thanks

raven forge
sand frost
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How can I disable a custom integration (wiz) that I'm fairly sure was installed with hacs?

grand pivot
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There's a built in integration for that

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Anyway, you disable integrations from the 3-dot menu in configuration -> Integrations

restive prairie
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My network doesn't have access to GitHub, so I can't complete the homeassistant installation. What should I do?

restive prairie
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How should I use the proxy in the HomeAssistantOS console?

viscid sigil
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Describe how you tried to install home assistant.

raven forge
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Does your laptop support and is configured for UEFI booting?

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I would've suggested to virtualize HAOS but that thing is too ancient (15+ years old) and too low specced.

unborn crescent
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I have a windows server 2012 r2 here. I wonder if it would work well to run haos virtualized on it

raven forge
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What hardware?

blazing walrus
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Can I set up HA on a raspberry pi and gift the set-up to a friend? Or would the setting up have to be done at thier place? Has anyone done this before?

wispy mulch
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Anyone here have a flawlessly working dockerized HA setup behind Caddy configured with internal TLS ? If so I have questions. My setup is working, kinda, but I cant connect via HA mobile app (err too many redirects)

blazing walrus
unborn crescent
raven forge
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It will probably work but not necessarily well. It's likely still faster than a pi. Can you tell me the exact model?

unborn crescent
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Trying to get a used gigabyte brix i7-10700u - it should do the job well as well as being noiseless

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The phenom is a X6 1045T on an old asus board with SSD as systemdrive and a large adaptec raid

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The Phenom should be like 3-4 times faster than a pi 4b

raven forge
covert nebula
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is there VirtualBox image with preinstalled HomeAssistant somewhere?

raven forge
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That can happen if there's network issues. Can you share a picture of your VM's Details page?

covert nebula
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hmmm, doesn't seem like it accept pasting images

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but network is in 'bridged' mode

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ha, looks like it did finish installation while I was figuring out how to paste an image here :))

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do I need to install any zigbee-specific extensions to get CC2531 zigbee dongle detected ?

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got it 🙂

raven forge
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No. ZHA is included. If you want to use Z2M you need to install the addon, of course

covert nebula
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then I guess I'm lucky 🙂

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Now it can see zigbee coordinator, will it automaticlly detect any new zigbee device I plug? Also, is there any zigbee-specific docs to review?

raven forge
covert nebula
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awesome, ty!

delicate valve
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Does it take a while to restore Home Assistant to a new device from a Backup?>

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Currently in the Restore in progress screen and Home Assistant is Waiting for the HOme Assistant ClI to be ready on my VM

raven forge
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That message is a confusing as it might still display even if the CLi is started.
Restoration time mostly depends on the hardware and the backup size.

delicate valve
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I havent logged in or anything yet cause it all it asked New setup or restore from a backup to which i did

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backup size is 38mb and on a lenovo i5 2.81ghz computer with 8gb ram

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small computer

raven forge
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i5
There's 14 generations by now

delicate valve
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i know but it was a work computer which i thought was pretty good to use since most people use RPI

raven forge
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It should be good enough. Still faster than the pi 4's CPU. I was just being a bit snarky 🙂
Afaik the best way at the moment still is to check the supervisor log via supervisor logs. A reboot after restore is usually recommended to get everything working correctly.

delicate valve
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i stopped it and asked me to log in after refreshing the screen

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now im back baby

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i hope

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crap alot of my addon isnt starting

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i might need to do another backup?

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i mean restore?

humble mirage
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Reboot after a restore

delicate valve
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done... all good except my camera are not shown on my dashboard hhhmmm my docker wyze bridge is on and i see the views

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but not on the dashboard

eager wedge
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I was running haos on pi4 32 bit version. I just built new install of haos on pi4 64 bit and restored from a full backup. Everything is working correctly. Is this a valid way to convert to 64 bit? Am I truly running ha core as 64 bit now? Or am I split with the os being 64 and the core still legacy 32 because it was restored from a backup?

wet forge
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im trying to install home assistant on proxmox and I got everything set up but ive been suck here for like 30 minutes without the console moving. last change was [supervisor.resolution.fixup] System autofix complete

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do i need to just re install it?

manic bane
fringe temple
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Hmm just built a box with an NVME to begin this journey. Currently the system is booting like a live distro from the USB, how do I install it to the NVME?

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Oh, it has to be run in a VM?

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Wait, I get it, I need to run a live distro then write hass to the NVME with balena

raven forge
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There's many options and ways. If you want to run HAOS bare-metal then the latter is correct.

fringe temple
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Im not sure my Syno would be poky enough so have an AMD box doing nothing Ill repurpose

raven forge
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No I meant bare metal instead of VM like you said. You can do either if the hardware is strong enough. There's also many ways to get HAOS onto the disk. You could also temporarily use a external case to flash it for example.

fringe temple
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Yeah I get ya, Would be VM if on my Syno (DS218+). Otherwise I have an old box I can run it "bare metal" (new term to me) on an AMD unit I can repurpose.

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Meh, Im gonna go with the AMD box.

raven forge
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I don't really like the term but I was referring to running things directly on physical hardware. The AMD box might also be able to virtualize if that's your thing.

fringe temple
crude inlet
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@fringe temple if the live usb is Ubuntu, use the disks utility to "restore" the HAOS image to the NVME. Skip Balena

fringe temple
raven forge
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VMs can get their own ip so that's not an issue. There's ways to give docker containers their own too but it seems a bit finicky.

fringe temple
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MACVLAN aye, but I cant set up a vlan without a managed switch?

raven forge
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Been a while since I checked it out but I don't think you need one for this. There's also another *lan method. My point was that you could host VMs on that AMD box.

fringe temple
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Got ya. Will have a ponder whether to Debian this bitch and run Docker.

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Cheers for the advice

raven forge
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Or HAOS in a VM and docker on another 🙂
I currently run HA in a docker container as well. Well, HAOS users are too but I guess you know what I mean.

fringe temple
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I do, mate. Running VM's are something I've never strictly done other than dicking about in Windows just to see it. I'd have to properly research that. Which would be a January job as times not so abundant this time of year.

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Thanks for replying. Im going to read up a little more before I take any further steps

flint violet
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hello, during the installation on x86/x64 system i have this messagge "failed to start wait until kernel time synchronized" and restart the pc

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kernel

raven forge
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Is a network cable connected?

flint violet
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yes but i have 4 ports

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i tried on all ports

cinder sleet
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Hey! I'm trying to download Home Assistant on my Raspberry Pi 3B, and I keep getting this error.

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[322.665139] overlayfs: overlapping lowerdif path

humble mirage
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What size of SD card?

cinder sleet
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32Gb

humble mirage
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That should be enough then

cinder sleet
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Also, i get the error

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Error returned from Supervisor: System is not ready with state: setup

gilded horizon
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Some time ago when I setup HA, I downloaded "haos_ova-7.6.vmdk" and ran it as a VM in unRAID. Now I want to increase the disk size from 32G to 100G or so. But neither expanding by clicking the size and chaning it, nor using qemu-img resize works. What am I doing wrong?

raven forge
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What happens if you use the CLI tool? Did you shut down the VM first?

gilded horizon
humble scaffoldBOT
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@dusty sierra I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
dusty sierra
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I was able to see my backups by copying the files to config/backups but there is no way to restore them.

raven forge
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That should work. You can also upload them via the GUI. Where do you see them?

north venture
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hi i have a zigbee device and i believe i can control it without wifi but how would i acces my home assistant without wifi?

humble mirage
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Again, the Zigbee is not relevant to your problem

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Have you set up working remote access for HA?

north venture
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Duckdns

humble mirage
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And that works?

north venture
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Yes

humble mirage
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Then what's the problem?

north venture
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When i am home i want to be able to control my devices that don't need wifi like zigbee devices when i have no wifi for whatever reason

humble mirage
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If that works then when you turn off wifi on the mobile it'll use mobile data, and you can connect to the DuckDNS hostname

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Earlier you talked about turning off WiFi on your phone

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if you do that and also cut HA off from the internet then clearly you can't reach HA

north venture
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So there is no way to control these devices without having any ethernet myself

humble mirage
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Sure there is, but your phone has to be able to reach HA somehow

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Obviously automations will run regardless, but if you can't reach HA's UI then you can't interact with HA manually

north venture
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Mhm alr

placid sage
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Hello, after a lot of researching at the HA forum, on the manual and on the web I havent found many information about installing HA server and KODI on the same device:
I'm going to start a new HA installation on a mini PC and I was wonderning wich would be the best aproach to install KODI on it too. I just can imagine one way, but for sure there is a better/ less resource consuming option and it is Install windows just for KODI and then HA on a VM. Is there any guide for installing KODI and HA on the same linux bsaed OS ?

empty bloom
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there's a Kodi addon

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so, HAOS w/ the kodi addon

grand pivot
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how would a Kodi addon work? It's not a server like Plex

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and HAOS has no UI

placid sage
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yep, the addon is not a server, just can control a kodi installation as far as I know

grand pivot
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that sounds like an integration

brittle sail
frank gale
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Can someone help me with my home assitsnt installation I've tried everything I use a good oc with enough resources I'm installing ha os but I feel like there's problems with docker it takes a long time to start when booting and the home assitant overall is slow on the fronted I also rsn commands like ha core check which returned error with I didn't understand but said something in the lines of docker

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Please dm me for picture of logs

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This is also a brand new installation no adďons no integration all new when I start it I also get an error saying warn home assistant not starting jumping into emergency console after 15 mins of waiting I typed login it then goes to the home assistant banner it give me a up but still doesn't load I have to wait a bit more then type in banner then it starts to work but still really slow

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Error is home assistant is not ready returned with state setup

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Also cpu and ram usage is low

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Ram is = 0.2/5gb

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CPU = 0.5

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Also I had ha is before then I stopped using it before it worked amazing fast at everything boot front-end even with 2gb ram and a intel atom processor should this be bugs in the latest version if so how can k downgrade to a older version and which version should I go to

wraith quartz
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I find it contradictory that so many seem to prefer ha os on proxmox rather than ha os stand alone. I’ve recently switched to stand alone because I kept running into async errors. Now my cpu temps and usage are cut in half, everything is more responsive, and so far no more disk errors.

robust wolf
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Anyone know where to find the Vmware Workstation (.vmdk)

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I was following a tutorial on YT Linux//
Install Home Assistant Operating System

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But Vmware Workstation (.vmdk) is not there anymore for downloading...

wraith quartz
raven forge
robust wolf
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thx 🙂

robust wolf
raven forge
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Virtualization is awesome. Unfortunately the player can't do snapshots afaik, depriving you from one of its best features

robust wolf
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I´m not sure if I´ll need that?! The reason for the Linux VM is my UNRAID server running 24/7 running mainly as a file server...

raven forge
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You can do snapshots before doing upgrades or testing something. If something goes wrong you can simply restore to the previous state within seconds.
Well you can't with the player but you likely wish you could at some point.

robust wolf
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k got that

wraith quartz
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I’ve had issues with VMware and proxmox. Just seems to run smoother with just the os. I don’t care about snap shots since I can just backup home assistant

storm stump
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I am new to HA and have been adding various things. Today I opened the app on my iphone and it goes directly to HACS and I can't exit the screen

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any ideas?

storm stump
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Got it figued out

raven forge
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You should share the solution for others that might run into a similar issue and those curious about what the issue was.

craggy vigil
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Cdub0160

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Can anyone help me load hacs in the terminal?

grand pivot
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Did you follow the instructions?

craggy vigil
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Yes, the terminal just kept giving me an error code and then started replicating

humble scaffoldBOT
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@craggy vigil I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
grand pivot
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Unclear what all that is. Just copy and paste the command

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If you tried to type it, you probably just screwed it up

frank gale
frank gale
humble mirage
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That's the right place to download from

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Please use a code share site to share the logs as text, and then maybe somebody can help

frank gale
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Great I'll do it as soon as I get home but 1 thing to say is that docker container application engine takes nearly 30 minutes to load so. I suspect itsnthat

frank gale
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What the log command for SSH

humble mirage
tired flume
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Hello
I try to use home assistant on old laptop
Installation is stuck on this screen

What do?
Has been like 2 hour

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It won't let me add photo

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But it's a black screen with big "home assistant"

Like dis

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| | | | ___ _ __ ___ | | ()_ __ | | | | ___ _ __
| || |/ _ | ' _ \ / _ \ '_ \| | '_ \ / _ |/ ` |/ _ | ' \
| _ | () | | | | | | __/ | | | | | | | (| | (| | () | | | |
|| ||_/|| || |_|_|| |||| ||_,|_,|___/|| |_|

humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

raven forge
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This confuses so many people. Maybe it might be better to have the bot delete images and automatically respond with that or overthink the decision.

tired flume
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@humble mirage what

humble mirage
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  1. You didn't even format that mess
  2. Use an image hosting site
grand pivot
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It's like a cat walked on a keyboard composed solely of slashes, pipes, and underscores

humble scaffoldBOT
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@proper elk I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
humble mirage
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What's the actual error?

proper elk
humble mirage
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Well... that's not a problem with HA, that's a problem with your domain and google 😉

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There should be an option there to report that back to Google

quasi phoenix
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Hello!

I've a question about updates of Home Assistant. Home Assistant Supervisor needs to be updated first. This is true when I want to upgrade Home Assistant Core but is this also the case when I want to update Home Assistant Operating System ?

humble mirage
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No, you can usually update everything in any order you want - only rarely will one have to be done before another

quasi phoenix
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Ok thank you for your reply

sand frost
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Hiya, I have a current haos install (raggedly, and sometimes not) running on a pi 3, and I just picked up a small form factor PC to rebuild or migrate. If migration doesn't really work, what is the best install on a dedicated headless machine? I was thinking I'd install Ubuntu, but it already has win10 on it. Thoughts? Opinions?

empty bloom
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HAOS, overwrite the whole OS

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if it's a win10 machine that was dedicated to windows, you can always switch back. There's likely a license imbedded into the mobo

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I forget what they call it, but there's a name for it

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either way, replace the OS and trash windows if you aren't going to use it.

sand frost
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@empty bloom Okay, works for me. I know it's in the name, but totally didn't realize haos was an actual full fledged os lol

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I can set up haos in a headless setup so I can just ssh in as needed from another machine Right? Just won't have any UI (which is fine)... What about installing other things like grafana or influx for reporting? Current install uses docker for those

raven forge
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Only via addons. HAOS might not be the right choice for you

sand frost
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I'm not OPPOSED to using add-ons for those sorts of applications, but it's a pretty capable little machine. Is there a better install that would give more flexibility?

empty bloom
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container on ubuntu or debian

sand frost
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I haven't done an install for years, and not up to snuff on the options pro/con

empty bloom
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just keep in mind, you lose all addons and the "appliance like" software solution that HAOS provides

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i.e. you have to manage it all

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not a problem for people who use docker alot

sand frost
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Oh interesting. How do you do something like zwave js without add-ons?

raven forge
humble mirage
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Option 3

sand frost
raven forge
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That's one option, yeah.

sand frost
# humble mirage Option 3

Oh awesome. Similar set up for other things as well then, integration hooks to installed server or app running on the host machine?

humble mirage
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Yup

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I've never run HAOS and have, to date, never found anything I couldn't do myself

sand frost
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That doesn't sound that bad actually. Feels easier to troubleshoot issues since they're siloed better

humble mirage
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The voice stuff was a little delayed, but not by much

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I also like that I can do my own backups, and restores, and know when a restore has finished... unlike on HAOS 😛

sand frost
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I keep running into issues with haos and docker because everything has is own internal IP address and access to the host machine is weird.

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I kind of like that. So then can I just install something like Ubuntu, and then install docker and run it there? Or is there a better way to approach it?

humble mirage
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Debian > Ubuntu for this

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Oh, and use Docker Compose, not docker run

sand frost
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Got it. Any other tips that I won't run across in the docs? Probably tackle that this Friday

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(also thank you!)

humble mirage
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Personally, use a shared parent folder for your Docker files and all the container configs

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eg

/data/docker - compose file and env files
/data/homeassistant - HA config folder
/data/mosquitto - Mosquitto config folder
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Then you back up /data and get everything you need to rebuild from

sand frost
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Yep that toddler makes sense

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Totally lol*

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Thank you guys! Appreciate all the help

wispy shale
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I had some problem with HAOS so i tried reinstalling it, and in logs i got this
[asyncio] Task exception was never retrieved future: exception=CoreDNSJobError('Rate limit exceeded, more than 10 calls in 0:30:00')> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/plugins/dns.py", line 270, in watchdog_container return await super().watchdog_container(event) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/plugins/base.py", line 109, in watchdog_container await self._restart_after_problem(event.state) File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/jobs/decorator.py", line 276, in wrapper raise on_condition( supervisor.exceptions.CoreDNSJobError: Rate limit exceeded, more than 10 calls in 0:30:00
any possible solution???

wispy shale
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tried restarting DNS getting this
Error: Cant't start CoreDNS plugin

raven forge
tender wren
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They can't see that 😅

raven forge
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Yeah just noticed. Thanks 😄
All I remembered was I had to search for jorg ha dns and picked the first without thinking.

strong kernel
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is it possible to see current state of the backup recovery? my 400 mb running since 29 hours and im not shure maybe its stucked.

tender wren
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One low tech method would be to open a second browser tab/window and try to call HA in that. If it works, the one with the recovery just hasn't reloaded

wispy shale
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is this known problem, or should i report it somewhere??
it would save a lot of time to new people

tender wren
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I wouldn't call it a known problem - more a workaround when the CoreDNS plugin doesn't work as expected

strong kernel
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ok seems i can create new ha normalyy weired :S

chrome onyx
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hiya, im having a problem running HASS in a VM in truenas scale, it says this, but from everything ive looked at on truenas there should be a internet connection
altho when i run net info in HASS it shows up as host_internet: false altho interfaces: -connected: true so im not too sure what i should do, any ideas?

23-11-27 06:02:39 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.jobs] 'Updater.fetch_data' blocked from execution, no supervisor internet connection
23-11-27 06:02:39 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec
(this loops for like 100 lines)
frank gale
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I have a picture of logs

humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

frank gale
humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

tender wren
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Hardly readable

frank gale
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One sec sorry

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Doing ha core check now

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You still there

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@tender wren

tender wren
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Yes, I am still here

frank gale
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Is there like a way to reinstall docker

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Application contsiner engine

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That takes 30 mins to load on boot

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I think thats the problem

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I'm now in root console of os

tender wren
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You are at the console showing ha> correct?

frank gale
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No just #

tender wren
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You can try ha su repair

frank gale
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Home assitsnt os I rpeesend ctrl shift f2

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I'll try that now

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Loading.........

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Still loading........

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Still loading 😦

sand frost
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Recommended Memory amount on debian/docker install we talked about earlier? @humble mirage currently sitting with 8gb

crude inlet
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@sand frost It's like 3am for the person you are pinging

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8 gb is fine

sand frost
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fuuuuu, sorry =S

raven forge
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My HA docker container uses about 1G if that helps. You can check yours with docker r stats

sand frost
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Yeap. That helps. I'll even probably install a GUI then.

raven forge
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What for?

sand frost
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Mostly just in the event I want to use it for something else in tandem in the future...

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Idk. "it's probably a comfort thing "probably is a better answer

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safety blanket

raven forge
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Should've virtualized then 😉
You mean a DE or a docker web GUI?

sand frost
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Meant a DE, yep.

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not docker web GUI, i'll probably go docker engine instead of docker desktop

raven forge
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There are light DEs that you can also only start on demand. Not sure exactly what other things you want to run though.

sand frost
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I don't either if I'm being honest. I ran ubuntu for years, but that was a few years back and so I'm just sorta jumping in with two feet

sand frost
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@raven forge why virtualize? What's the pro/con analysis there vs docker? backup snapshots?

sand frost
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oooooh I'm gonna HAVE to use mqtt now won't I. I'd been able to avoid it before, but I think I'm stuck with it if i'm gonna run this way

serene crescent
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On the installation wiki page, there’s an entry for “expert” installation instructions on Linux via virtual machine, docker, or Python venv. It says that there are limitations to these methods as opposed to home assistant OS. It instructs the user to click a link to find out more, but there is no link: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux

humble mirage
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You don't get add-ons without HAOS

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That means that you don't get a point-n-click software install in the HA UI and have to do it yourself

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Core also means you need to ensure your host OS is kept up to date with the right package versions and that you'll be building Python from source most years

raven forge
strong kernel
mental umbra
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Hi, I can not seemto update the core to 2023.11.3. When pressing update, I get a loading bar for about a minuten it then just disappears again leaving me in the update dialog. I actually bought an 8gb pi because I thought it might be a ram issue, but that did not help. Also there is nothing in the logs.

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I am on 2023.11.2

empty bloom
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do you have enough free space on disk?

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also check the supervisor logs, see what's stalling it

mental umbra
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I have about 20GB left

serene crescent
mental umbra
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well that image does exist

empty bloom
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sounds like you have a dns issue

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or no internet

mental umbra
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well I am connecting via ddns, so it has internet

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i can curl google

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wtf

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i can ping it tho

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140.82.121.34 correct?

empty bloom
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You're running into a common issue that hasn't been solved yet

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We haven't had anyone who's had the issue have the capabilities to get information we need to fix it. Maybe you can be that guy. Someone may contact you.

mental umbra
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I changed the dns to cloudflare, same issue OO

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you can contact me now 😄

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I am at sports later

empty bloom
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it's not me, it's someone else and I pinged them

mental umbra
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ok

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do I need host ssh access to help (as I have not set that up)

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I would assume its a docker networking issue

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ok petro, that dude can just write me the questions he has, I will answer asap

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but I am out for now

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I am a software dev with ok'ish linux and docker knowledge

empty bloom
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Excellent, just the person we need to encounter this issue

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I'll make sure I note that to him

faint dust
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@mental umbra @empty bloom so this particular issue ("... Not Found .. No such image") is not DNS related but seem to be a corruption of the Docker image storage. I was able to reproduce that earlier today. I am currently looking into ways to detect this from Supervisor side and resolve it.

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If you have host SSH access (on HAOS port 22222) you typically see overlayfs errors when using docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2023.11.3.

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Did you had a power outage recently or otherwise removed power without shutting down maybe?

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I feel newer Docker releases show that problem more often then older ones 😢

frank gale
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@tender wren its a jounral issue

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im getting a picture one sec

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systemmd dump : failed to start jounral services

frank gale
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im downgrading version to 2023.11.1

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using ha core update --version x.y.z

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ofcourse replacing xyz with 2023.11.1

sand frost
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Anyone know if the zwave devices follow/pair with the stick or the system? Ie, can I just use an old stick to get everything connected, then upgrade sticks when my new one comes in, or am I adding a bunch of extra work there?

tender wren
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Z-Wave pairs with the stick

empty bloom
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You can but you'll have to wake things up

empty bloom
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so you can pair w/o software

tender wren
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I think it is meant, if the paired devices are stored in the stick or in the software (like Zigbee)

empty bloom
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I used to walk around my house w/ my zstick pairing crap left and right, then I'd plug it into HA and Off-Id-Go

tender wren
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If you are upgrading to another stick, you would have to re-pair the devices (except the sticks are compatible to each other and a NVM backup can be restored on the new one)

sand frost
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Bummer. That's a pain, I'll just wait then lol

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Zigbee is the same, yeah?

tender wren
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No.

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But it depends on the type of coordinator and the integration, if it can use an older backup or not

sand frost
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My old system died, figured I'd upgrade sticks for both zwave and zigbee. New ha system is up and running, but my new sticks don't get here till Sunday. Trying to figure out if I can jumpstart, or if I should exercise that patience thing

frank gale
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im getting timeout errors for the update command

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also getting timeout errrors for the repair command

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any solutions?

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home assitant dashobard shows it at version i downgraded to

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not sure why cli says that

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it also much faster

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at everything so im conclduing theres a bug in the new update

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if im wrong pls ping me

humble mirage
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If there was a general bug then everybody would see it

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Your logs would be useful here

frank gale
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how do i get logs uing the frotend

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@humble mirage

humble scaffoldBOT
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@frank gale Discord isn't like IRC, you don't have to tag people on every response. Keep in mind that every time you tag somebody, they get a notification ping. That can very quickly become annoying and people may block you.
When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

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Logs

Open your Home Assistant instance and show your Home Assistant logs

humble mirage
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Also available through the command line

frank gale
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thx and sorry

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2023-11-30 21:31:27.537 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.hassio] Can't read Supervisor data:

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does the os not have permisons?

humble mirage
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Your paste isn't accessible for some reason

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Try dpaste?

frank gale
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k one sec

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forgot what i said the problems are stillt there

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on the old os

humble mirage
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Check the supervisor and host logs

frank gale
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how would i do that

humble mirage
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Same way

frank gale
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alright one sec thx