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round bison
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Both directly connected to usb port (raspberry pi 3) only zigbee on 2 meter extension cable.

tender wren
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Do you use a weak power supply for the Pi? Maybe it is browning out

round bison
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No, it is the correct power supply. Used to get error messages but not since I switched to real power adapter (rpi4 original adapter)

humble mirage
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To be honest I'd use a powered USB hub for those, you're probably hitting power problems

gloomy crown
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Why is HAOS using 8.7GiB of RAM?

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It has been up only a day

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2023.11.1

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It seems to hog 20MiB more every 10 minutes

empty bloom
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sounds like you have a memory leak

gloomy crown
empty bloom
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you most likly can't fix it

gloomy crown
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Can I see inside HAOS what is using all the memory?

empty bloom
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it's a memory leak

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there are tools, you should search the forums

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it's mostlikely a custom integration

humble mirage
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Or add-on

stable swallow
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Has anyone experienced issues with HA and WLED, I did a new HA install and it discovered my WLED instance and asked to configure it and what ever it did it blew out my esp8266 chip and wled no longer sees it. tried to reinstall wled on it but it fails every time.

humble mirage
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Well, that's got nothing to do with installing HA

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And HA couldn't "blow out" an ESP

trail shell
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Nope 😦

Just used a fresh SD card, same issue of being stuck on 10.2

manic citrus
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I'm looking to rebuild my HA OS instance (VM on Unraid) as it's become cluttered and sluggish. How can I best do this to retain sensor history for example when I recreate the entities?

crude inlet
south grove
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Is there a guide for installing HA OS onto a Proxmox VM, without using the community made script?

humble mirage
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There should be some

south grove
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My search results on google just seem to all end up on guides that use the script so

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I may have found it, so nevermind πŸ˜…

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Well not for proxmox but for KVM so

wooden elm
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What is this error on creating the arm64 image of the home assistant and how to resolve it:-

ERROR: failed to solve: process "/bin/ash -o pipefail -c pip3 install Β  Β  Β  Β  --only-binary=:all: Β  Β  Β  Β  -r homeassistant/requirements.txt" did not complete successfully: exit code: 1

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While creating an image for the architecture amd64 is working fine

gloomy crown
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/bin/ash should be /bin/bash

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or /sh?

wooden elm
gloomy crown
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What does the requirements.txt have? Can you connect where its getting them?

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Does "pip3 install --upgrade pip" work fine?

wooden elm
ripe isle
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no installation iso files ?

humble mirage
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No

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HAOS is an image you write to the boot drive, as covered in the install docs

merry wigeon
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Context: Converting from windows VM to a dedicated mini-pc
What are the advantages of going for a supervised HA installation? If my plans are beginner-intermediate, am I most likely better off with just doing HA OS (either directly or a VM)?

empty bloom
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HAOS or Container.

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supervised is if you are a linux expert

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and it's largely not needed anymore

merry wigeon
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Okay. I'm comfortable but wouldn't call myself an expert lol

empty bloom
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I'm comfortable at linux, I have to google everything to fix it and bash my head against the keyboard

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it really is 100% for experts

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becaues you manage the OS that manages HA

merry wigeon
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Appreciate the insight lol

empty bloom
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and you have to keep up w/ the changes that HA imposses on the OS

merry wigeon
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With a container I can have multiple servers running off the machine right? and HAOS direct means the box is only HA?

raven forge
empty bloom
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Yes

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container is "You are the supervisor"

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so it's alittle more work, but you have more control

merry wigeon
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Realistically I probably don't need the control, atleast not yet.

empty bloom
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keep in mind that container does not have addons, you make additional docker containers

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Then go HAOS

merry wigeon
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I can always change my mind later anyways as long as I don't screw the backups. I think that's probably what I will do. I will read up on the guides .. but the guy I am going to buy it from said he can pre-load it with whatever distro I want since he has to wipe the drive anyways. Am I better off just having the blank drive?

raven forge
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Nods head

empty bloom
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Blank drive

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I bought mine w/o windows

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saved money

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and just loaded debian + supervised (but don't do what I do, I'm dumb)

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just do the generic x86/64 HAOS install

merry wigeon
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Yeah it's just some guy local that has a media-server mini pc for sale cheap. I don't wanna spend too much until I know I am really committed lol

raven forge
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I've seen HAOS break too often here to ever recommend a bare metal install

merry wigeon
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Gonna keep it simple for now, save myself some pain

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Will be glad to not be running a 24/7 VM on my gaming pc anymore though lol

empty bloom
raven forge
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I run a HAOS VM to be able to help people here and aside from the infamous DNS issues I haven't encountered breakage either. It's very basic through as I'm not using it productively.

empty bloom
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I use supervised and it rarely breaks.. if ever. And when it does break, it's my fault

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run it bare metal

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but HAOS is very similiar, it just has autoamated OS updates

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I'd say, from seeing issues here, 9 times out of 10 people are being impatient w/ some HA process which borks their machine

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wether it's an OS update, supervisor update, or DB migration

raven forge
stone swan
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@raven forge

I would like to thank you so much for helping me out the other, I just got it to work all again, i swapped to my proxmox server from the raspberry, got my backup loaded in and everything appears to be working again, keep doing what your doing , legit godsend <3

sturdy mist
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I just get a bunch of these 404s on a fresh install

raven forge
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Run docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.11.1 via the advanced SSH addon (without protection mode). It probably has more information.
If you don't have the addon you can use a keyboard and monitor but you have to enter login first.

sturdy mist
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I don't think I can get into it to do that?

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I did have a prior working install, but I wanted to start fresh

raven forge
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I see. This can happen when there's network issues. Mostly DNS from what I've seen.

sturdy mist
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observer shows connected, supported, and healthy

raven forge
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Can you share the whole log?

humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

sturdy mist
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does that 404 for you?

raven forge
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No

sturdy mist
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I just changed a dns server. That may be doing something

raven forge
sturdy mist
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hmm, yeah I'm not getting 404 anymore, but I do see the logs keeping 404ing

sturdy mist
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So I just modified dns, and blew the card away and reinstalled.

jovial swallow
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i am thinking of moving from a docker hosted instance to a vm hosted instance with the homeassistant OS or move to a raspberry pi for the more complete feature set
is this recommended? and if so why/why not?

humble mirage
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The only Pi setup many of us would suggest (not even recommend) would be a Pi4 (or newer) with an SSD on a powered USB hub.

Whether moving from Docker to HAOS is recommendede... well, that's more personal preference. It's neither "better" or "worse", just different.

jovial swallow
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what would be the biggest advantages in your opinion? if i keep it in a vm i can still do almost everything what docker gives me like the ports, passthrough, etc

raven forge
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Sounds like you've already made your mind up. I'd suggest a VM over the pi.
Some pros of virtualization:

jovial swallow
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thank you, so in short there is no real advantage, and if you got the hardware for vm, vm is better because of snapshots/backups and more reliable possible hardware/cooling like ecc memory which is overkill

besides maybe an easier frontend ui configuration from what i understand and a more stream lined updates i hope because sometimes my docker version got broken.

ill just try out the vm version and if i do not like it rollback to my docker

humble mirage
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Keep in mind that HA is the same no matter, so if it was broken when using Docker the same problems exist with HAOS

jovial swallow
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darn it, i had hope

uneven bear
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There is any way to restore the data from a .tar backup to the disk and start it like that? IF I try to use the restore button its always hangs up. I was waiting for days, tried it already 4-5 times.

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I does not want to really re-configure and install all that addons and community stuffs and also the dashboard would be hell to re-create.

empty bloom
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a .tar file is a zip file

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you can manually unzip the contents and pick and choose what you want to restore

gloomy crown
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Is homeassistant doing automatic updates nowadays? My grafana went 404 and I looked at the logs and there is this: ```Logger: homeassistant.components.hassio
Source: components/hassio/websocket_api.py:138
Integration: Home Assistant Supervisor (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 15:20:26 (5 occurrences)
Last logged: 15:20:46

Failed to to call /ingress/validate_session - System is not ready with state: setup
Failed to to call /ingress/session - System is not ready with state: setup
Failed to to call /backups - System is not ready with state: setup
Failed to to call /host/info - System is not ready with state: setup
Failed to to call /addons - System is not ready with state: setup

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And I saw a supervisor update on the settings page, it went away after coming back to the page after looking at the logs

empty bloom
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supervisor always automatically updates

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been that way since it was added to HA

uneven bear
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I short question.

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If I see there are no new entries on observer since 50 minute. Should I still wait or is it sure its dead?

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I try to restore, this is the 7th time today, I tried full, partially but even only the version I cannot restore.

merry wigeon
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Picked up the mini pc today for the install .. time to pray.

cyan drum
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hello,
I have a raspi3 with pihole
I would like to get HA OS running on it, I would prefer to keep the pihole for now
is it possible to install HAOS via ssh, without formatting the entire machine ?

humble mirage
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No

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The only way to install HAOS is to flash it to the SD card

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(or SSD)

cyan drum
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does the docker version provides the ability to have addons ?

humble mirage
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No

cyan drum
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crap, ok thanks πŸ™‚

humble mirage
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But add-ons are just software, not magic

empty bloom
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addons are just other docker containers

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you can make them yourslef, just like you did w/ pihole

cyan drum
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ok, is there any other difference between docker/os I should keep in mind ?

humble mirage
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(ignore Supervised)

cyan drum
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ok, I'll try the docker approach
thank you !

vital pier
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Is KVM on Ubuntu server any good? If so are there any tutorials how to assign ip to the vm or port forward

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Theres already a homeassistant device in our network so homeassistant.local is taken

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I need Addons so docker wont do it for me

humble mirage
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You can rename the HAOS install to change the name

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You should also set it up bridged to your network, so it gets its own IP

vital pier
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And what would be preferred? ubuntu server or desktop

humble mirage
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Not desktop

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You're talking about a server after all

uneven bear
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There is anyone who can help with restoring a backup? I tried everything but not working. I have 3 different backup of a totally working system. As soon I restore it after a few minutes it stucks. Observer stop sending messages and even if I wait for a day nothing happens. I tried to restore only smaller parts not the full, same situation.

vital pier
humble mirage
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Maybe you should just switch to Proxmox then πŸ˜›

vital pier
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is it good? It's quite an old laptop so can't run anything too heavy

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i5 4th gen with like 4gb of ram

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more than enough for hass

humble mirage
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Well, Proxmox is basically what you're trying to build here with Ubuntu and KVM

vital pier
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Allrighty, I'll use that then

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Can I change the ip after it's been installed (I assume you can). The laptop will eventually be placed in my parents' house. Their internal ip addresses are 178 instead of 68 (192.168.178.x)

humble mirage
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Yes

dire horizon
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hey everyone, im trying to install supervised on my debian machine i have at home, but i am stuck at curl -fsSL get.docker.com | sh

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It gives the error

curl: (6) Could not resolve host: get.docker.com
vital pier
# humble mirage Yes

Which kvm file would I need? qcow2 seems to be unavailable for the latest version of proxmox as it used LVM-THin

dire horizon
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It seems people have the same issue after following that part of the instructions.

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it breaks the network when following those instructions:

apt install \
apparmor \
jq \
wget \
curl \
udisks2 \
libglib2.0-bin \
network-manager \
dbus \
lsb-release \
systemd-journal-remote \
brazen basin
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hi docker experts... πŸ˜„ how can I call a script from the HA container that does things on the host?
you know something that says to the host to shutdown, reboot, execute a docker pull, or something similar?

vital pier
raven forge
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Did you enable UEFI? Did you add it to the boot options?

vital pier
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probably not

cyan drum
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ok, docker is up and running
im trying to install adGuard, to hopefully replace my pihole
do I need to install it on a container ?

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im beiung asked IP and port which im not sure what they are

vital pier
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BIOS: OVMF (UEFI)?

raven forge
vital pier
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Should QEMU AGENT be turned on?

raven forge
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Yes

vital pier
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Where do I edit bios on an existing vm?

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found it

dire horizon
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no docker image of homeassistant is running,.

humble mirage
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Oh boy... another victim of Supervised

raven forge
vital pier
raven forge
dire horizon
humble mirage
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You need HAOS, not Supervised

cyan drum
dire horizon
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exactly, or a whole OS dedicated to home assistant.

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wich will probably clash with frigate, or tailscale for remote access.

humble mirage
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Supervised is for people who enjoy pain and suffering

raven forge
humble mirage
dire horizon
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what part? that its dedicated to home assistant?

grand pivot
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which is all of it

humble mirage
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Yes, and no other software

dire horizon
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for that, might as well install the whole HAOS then.

grand pivot
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yep

dire horizon
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no point in supervised.

humble mirage
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Correct

grand pivot
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I wish it would disappear

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not even petro should run it

dire horizon
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i wouldnt mind installing HAOS on it, but think other software, (that compliments HA) would get issues.

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frigate is a powerful integration that allows cheap cams to work as presense sensors etc.

humble mirage
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Well, you shouldn't be running other software on that host with Supervised

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if you want to do that then you should install Proxmox or otherwise HAOS in KVM

raven forge
dire horizon
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i need the add-ons, for for example zigbee devices i want to add later. at least i see them as add-ons in the add-ons screenshot on the HA page of add-ons.

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i am migrating from smartthings.

humble mirage
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No, you don't need add-ons

dire horizon
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i guess i need to look into virtualizing, but then im afraid i also get issues how frigate is reaching home assistant etc.

humble mirage
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Zigbee2MQTT has options other than add-ons

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Same for pretty much 99.9999999999999999999999% of all add-ons

vital pier
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Hmm still doesn't seem to work with proxmox

humble mirage
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People seem to think that add-ons are the only way of running software... even when that software was around for years before HA was launched, never mind HAOS and add-ons.

Still don't know why this happens

dire horizon
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im curious how much you cripple yourself if not using that.

humble mirage
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Well, what add-on are you talking about

raven forge
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Hmm still doesn't seem to work with

humble mirage
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I've been running HA and Zigbee2MQTT for years, and have zero add-ons

humble mirage
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All of those exist as not an add-on

dire horizon
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here it shows "deconz" for a zigbee stick

brittle sail
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ya dont use that lol

humble mirage
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deCONZ existed long before HA did

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(and it's crap)

dire horizon
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hm...

humble mirage
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MariaDB existed for even longer

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Mosquitto too

grand pivot
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I mean, how do you think the dinosaurs controlled their smartplugs?

brittle sail
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anyways nothing wrong with using haos in a vm like suggested above but that isnt your only option

humble mirage
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The Check HA config add-on might not exist as a non-add-on option

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Everything else there however...

vital pier
humble mirage
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All of which pre-date add-ons

dire horizon
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ok, so if i go for ease of use of a docker container....i lose the Managed Restore, and the Supervisor. when i read about the supervisor, its the tool that does updates. so i lose the ability to update home assistant, i have to do it through cli?

humble mirage
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(and are run by millions of people who've never heard of HA)

brittle sail
dire horizon
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grafana is a epic one i'd probably have a good use case for.

humble mirage
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docker compose pull homeassistant
docker compose up -d
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Again run by millions of people who've never heard of HA

brazen basin
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is it a bad solution?
I simply output a command to a text file from HA, this file is mounted on a volume that is shared with the host, the host listen to that file modifications, and execute the command.
obviously the inotify, verify that the command is an allowed one.

vital pier
dire horizon
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and what is a managed restore that you lose? a backup?

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basically restoring backups is no longer possible?

humble mirage
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Yeah, so you get to manage your own backups...

dire horizon
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basically copying the docker container file?

humble mirage
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rclone, rsnapshot, kopia, urbackup...

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Well, your compose file and config folder

dire horizon
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yeah, sounds easy enough, plan to make copy's of the whole OS incl all files, daily.

grand pivot
humble mirage
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Everything I care about goes under /data, so I back up /data/ (locally and to the cloud, encrypted)

dire horizon
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good choice πŸ˜„

humble mirage
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Restores are trivial, and backups even tell me when they went wrong πŸ˜›

dire horizon
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on my main pc, i also use veracrypt and cloud backups that are encrypted twice.

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and chopped up into unreadable file chunks.

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so ok, il just try to see if i can get away with running a container. how to nuke supervised? explode

humble mirage
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Carefully?

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I think you'll have to stop all the containers then remove them, and then remove the package

dire horizon
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thanks, think i did it.

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ok, tommorow i'l try to install it by container, hope it will all work out. it can still work with zigbee/thread usb sticks right?

humble mirage
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Yes

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(though Thread and Matter are currently a clusterfuck... come back in 2025)

fast magnet
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Hya. n00b here, working on first Home Assistant install. So, I got a dedicated PC ready. I want to run Home Assistant and Frigate on the same machine. I dont want to use unsuported OS'es / run stuff in a VM. So, I'll have to use Debian then, correct? Cant use CentOS?

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or are VM installations good enough? Ive read that you'll lose some functionality / run into more bugs etc

humble mirage
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Well, for Docker run what you want

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(or Podman, even)

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Just don't run Supervised

fast magnet
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So for example Ubuntu, docker for HAOS and Frigate?

humble mirage
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Yup

fast magnet
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And not HAOS as a VM?

humble mirage
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You said you don't want to use VMs...

dire horizon
humble mirage
fast magnet
humble mirage
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VM's are fine... just not VirtualBox

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Proxmox is fine

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KVM is fine

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QEMU is fine

fast magnet
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Ah okok. Thanks, i'll look into those

merry wigeon
cyan drum
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how do I get my wifi enabled devices into HA ?
directly, or through alexa/google would be nice
I tried an Alexa tutorial and hit too many road blocks with certification and duckdns :/

humble mirage
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directly, or through alexa/google would be nice
No chance of that

gentle bronze
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yellow. im migrating my HA system from one device to another, currently have the new rpi3 device up and running with a fresh install of the HA operating system. I am using a partial configuration restore in order to simplify things. It seems like its taking a while even though the backup was only about 3mbs in size. any way to see the progress during this state to know its not dead?

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its been about 20 minutes since I started it I think

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if it takes longer than like an hour ill just config from scratch

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okay it appears that its been done for a while the web gui is just stupid

gentle bronze
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yeah im all good, no worries here

fast magnet
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Hya. Im having trouble installing my zwave usb stick. It is not automatically recognized by HA, it Is visible on linux as connected USB device, and when trying to manually add the device, i either get a Failed to Connect error and a prompt to an ip adress (?) or when I try to use the zwave JS supervisor add-on, it prompts me to add keys or leave the fields empty, but when leaving empty I get a "Not all required fields are filed in"

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aeotec zwave 7 dongle btw.. I tried factory resetting the thing, but according to the manual that can only be done by the host software, which in this case would be Home Assistant

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frustrating lol

fast magnet
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thanks!

keen tulip
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trying to install core on an odroid c2 that has an amlogic s905. I tried last 2021, 2022 and 2023 version using python 3.8, 3.10, 3.11 and 3.12 with ubuntu 20.04.. all of which has not error during installation but after the initialization, it will error with illegal instruction

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is it even possible to install core on this this box? It is odd since I was able to install a couple of years ago 2021 version on unknown kodi box with a s905x and running ubuntu 20.04. Best of my knowlege back then I had python3.8 . I can run it at least. However can't reproduce the installation on the odroid

humble mirage
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trying to install core on an odroid c2

dire horizon
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Hi everyone. I have a live ubuntu version running on my intel noc, downloaded libfuse2 in order to run appinage files, started balena etcher and want to flash home assistant OS to the main 1tb drive of the noc, however when authenticating, it takes 1 seconds for etcher to give the error " something went wrong if it is a compressed image, please check that the archive is not corrupted"

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Already tried formatting the drive from ext4 to fat32, didnt help.

humble mirage
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The format of the drive is irrelevant

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Try uncompressing the image you downloaded?

dire horizon
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Uhh..let me google a guide and try that

humble mirage
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https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases/download/11.1/haos_generic-x86-64-11.1.img.xz
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xz -d haos_generic-x86-64-11.1.img.xz

dire horizon
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Working

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Done. Lets pray this works

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Got a error again, but this time different

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EBUSY: resource busy or locked, open '/dev/sda'

humble mirage
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Well... you're sure you're running from a live boot?

dire horizon
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Yes.

humble mirage
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And you don't have another copy of etcher or other running?

dire horizon
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What do you mean other?

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Its just the basic gnome envoirement.

humble mirage
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Well, any other software that'll busy the disk, like a file browser open on it

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Oh, and you're running the tool as root?

dire horizon
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Let me try that

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How?

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Right clicking the appimagr doesnt have a windows thing "run as admin,"

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No root/sudo option either

humble mirage
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Open a command prompt and type whoami

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(or id -un)

dire horizon
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Ubuntu

humble mirage
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Ok, so then you're not root, which is probably the problem

dire horizon
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Ah

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Solved

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Now simply retry launching the flashtool?

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Tried that^ same error

humble mirage
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How did you "solve" it?

dire horizon
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Sudo -i

humble mirage
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That works for that shell

dire horizon
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Oh damnπŸ˜…

humble mirage
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if you don't launch etcher from that shell then it won't be root

dire horizon
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Ffs now i cant access the normal folders

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No such file or directory

humble mirage
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Probably Ubuntu's apparmor fucking you over

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Just wget the URL

dire horizon
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Trying to run it

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Command not found

humble mirage
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Ooof

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curl?

dire horizon
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Had to install that. But done and tried to start it, but doesnt do anything

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Curl link-to-image

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No error, just nothing

humble mirage
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check the folder for files

dire horizon
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Its there from the wget(or curl?)

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But when i execute curl image-file then it says could not resolve host.

humble mirage
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ls -l to see if you have a file or empty space

dire horizon
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Definitely there

humble mirage
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Then ... use it?

dire horizon
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Packages.chroot, snap, and balenaetcherxxxxxxxxxxx.AppImage

dire horizon
humble mirage
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Did you just type balenaetherxxxxxxx.appimage or ./balenaetherxxxxxxx.appimage?

dire horizon
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devtools
🀨

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The first

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Ah there we go

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Permission denied, chmodding...

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Wish i could attach a photo

humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

humble mirage
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Ah yes, you'll have to do something like:

export DISPLAY=:0.0
./bale...
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You may also need to do xhost + in another window

dire horizon
raven forge
humble mirage
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Daft, because etcher should have prompted for the password

dire horizon
#

Close and open a new one and sudo -i again?

humble mirage
#

<CTRL><C> works

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The dd route is probably simpler at this point

dire horizon
#

Same error

raven forge
#

Apparently you're supposed to run it as normal user

dire horizon
#

Ebusy resource busy or locked

dire horizon
dire horizon
humble mirage
#

No

dire horizon
#

So annoying, so mamy things tried and a simple os install doesnt work. Very frustrating.

humble mirage
#

Look at the link impact posted

dire horizon
#

Why y u no include installer

humble mirage
#

Because for most people it'd not help, and Etcher is the installer

#

Something is fucked up with your setup because this normally works

dire horizon
#

Yeah i bet, but weird since i even formatted the main drive, latest ubuntu live on a usb stick

#

Idk what more i can do.

dire horizon
#

Ok so execute the slur of commands in that txt file.

#

Is there a easy way of getting that txt on my live ubuntu

#

I sended it to gmail and opened it.

#

Now, when executing the unxz or xzcat, it does nothing.

#

No error or other message. Just a new line for a prompt.

#

Even lsblk at start does not do anything

raven forge
#

I'd recommend you reboot or open a new terminal and see if it changes anything. lsblk should definitely do something

dire horizon
#

It was the root terminal. Now it works in a new one

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The command lsblk worked, then executed the bash lines as you can see. No reports, but there's a process running? 🀨

raven forge
#

Uhh. Those backticks are code blocks the bot stole and put in the file. They were part of the text formatting to make it look nice like this

Codehere
humble mirage
#

Sadly they're also special to the shell

dire horizon
#

Ah discord formatting

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My bad

#

Looks like something was done now in another root panel.

raven forge
#

sda2 is wrong, btw. You want to use a disk, not a partition

dire horizon
#

Oh, good that you tell me before i reboot πŸ™‚

#

So i select sda? Instead of sda2

raven forge
#

Yeah. You can also use gparted go find the right one

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At the end it should look similar to my result

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If you run lsblk -po+LABEL,FSTYPE you can see the labels if that helps

dire horizon
#

Ubuntu does not allow opening sda2 anymore

#

Hopefully this works, i can try a reboot?

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Ah there's a hassos-boot directory/partition now

raven forge
#

That should be all. Make sure that you have UEFI boot enabled and secure boot disabled and hopefully it boots

dire horizon
#

Many thanks for your time, also @humble mirage πŸ™

vital pier
#

What would be the best way to backup HASSOS so I can move it under proxmox?

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Proxmox will be installed on the server that runs HASSOS currently

empty bloom
#

just do a normal HA backup

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restore after you install HAOS on proxmox

vital pier
#

Alrighty thanks

zinc raptor
#

I have "investigate influxdb and long term statistcs storage" on my todo list. I run HAOS on a pi with an endurance-rated SD card at the moment, but I also have a debian docker server on my network. I am considering whether to keep MariaDB on the HAOS, but put influxdb on the DB server, to spare the SD card and to keep my HAOS footprint as small as possible for "just enough to make the house work."

What does HAOS do if the influx server is down? Does it keep working and simply not store those statistics? (I am hoping so.)

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(aside: the SD card is temporary, I will be getting a smallish NVM driver for the Pi in the near future and moving the install to that. But it might still make sense to keep HAOS as small as it can be, I think.)

high lance
#

Hello, I installed Home Assistant OS on a new machine, and tried to transfer over all my info in a backup. Now that it completed, my configuration.yaml is gone. My automations.yaml is there, but it doesnt sync to the frontend, just the file is there. Also, there is no option for Nabu Casa cloud connection, the option doesnt exist anymore

crude inlet
#

@high lance did you reboot the system after the restore?

high lance
#

Yeah, twice

brazen basin
#

Is there someone who knows if HA Core is agnostic to the type of hardware used?

#

I mean, can I install HA Core (container) on Raspberry Pi 5 right now or should I need to wait for a proper support?

humble mirage
#

Actual Core is

#

The Container needs to support the CPU architecture

vital pier
#

How would I go about setting up nginx for HASS? I have Nginx Proxy Manager Docker-Compose on a different VM and that works perfect for creating reverse proxies for all my services except hass

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Hass says the following ^

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400: Bad Request

humble mirage
#

Well... that was a pointless image...

humble scaffoldBOT
humble mirage
#

See the docs there about reverse proxies

vital pier
versed vapor
#

yea you likely forgot to trust the use of this proxy

humble mirage
#

To be fair, it's only obvious once you remember to look at HA's log file...

brittle sail
brittle sail
#

expecting end users to always look at logs (even tho it makes sense) feels less user-friendly than something like notify

#

plus for this specifically, it doesnt feel like an error

#

since the same shit works across tons of other containers etc (properly configured nginx)

empty bloom
versed vapor
#

well it is, the error could include an additional description

humble mirage
#

So... pointless πŸ˜›

empty bloom
versed vapor
#

not using 502 makes sense tho as thats more of what the proxy should report

brittle sail
#

this is kind of a one off

#

and actually yes i'm still okay with that

empty bloom
#

I just want to be the source of annoyance for users

brittle sail
#

if people have 30+ errors shit's probably fucked

#

in my opinion, it would force some newer users to dig deeper instead of pointing fingers and saying "homey didnt do this" or some shit

empty bloom
#

the last software I worked on, someone convinced my boss that a "crash report" dialog pop up when we start the software if it had an unexpected crash

#

it's the most annoying feature ever

versed vapor
#

there kinda are too many notifications for not that important things already

brittle sail
#

like what?

#

only time i see notifications are after updates

versed vapor
#

like push updates not workijng on shelly plugs

brittle sail
#

like "repair this cuz we changed a thing"

versed vapor
#

or something going temporarily unavailable

empty bloom
#

that's not normal

versed vapor
#

it would be cool if we could filter / permanently ignore some of those

empty bloom
#

why don't you just turn it off

versed vapor
#

where can i do that

empty bloom
#

HA by default does not notify you for either of those things

#

so that means you must be using some automation that does

versed vapor
#

i get the yellow indicator on the settings icon

#

if i remember correctly, even on non admin accounts

empty bloom
#

when a sensor goes unavailable?

versed vapor
#

when it cant send a push update thing

empty bloom
#

it appears on settings, not notifications?

versed vapor
#

i would need to check once it shows up again

#

not that i am confusing it

empty bloom
#

Yeah, the only things that appear as a notification "yellow bubble" on settings are repairs and updates.

versed vapor
#

i see

vital pier
#
http:
  use_x_forwarded_for: true
  trusted_proxies:
    - 192.168.68.8/24

So do I add this to config.yaml or somewhere else?

brittle sail
#

Needs more dockernet

vital pier
#

As in?

brittle sail
#
http:
  use_x_forwarded_for: true
  trusted_proxies:
    - 192.168.1.0/24
    - 172.17.0.0/16

this is what i use but i'm on haos and need the 172.17 for the dockernet that supervisor uses for addons i think

vital pier
#

I have a VM with haos so no need for dockernet I think

brittle sail
#

because 192.168.68.8/24 isnt possible

vital pier
#

without /24

#

ohhh .0/24 = all ips in the home network

brittle sail
#

well i access from more than just my pc

brittle sail
vital pier
#

I suppose it aint .17 for me is it?

#

How would I find the ip of dockernet of supervisor

brittle sail
vital pier
#

not at my own house so unsure of the lan subnet where would you find that

brittle sail
#

that was your 192.168.68.0/24

vital pier
#

and the 172.17 stays at /16?

brittle sail
brittle sail
vital pier
#

I just get this screen somehow

brittle sail
#

too cool for dark mode in ui?

vital pier
#
Logger: homeassistant.components.http.ban
Source: components/http/ban.py:80
Integration: HTTP (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 18:44:55 (1 occurrences)
Last logged: 18:44:55

Login attempt or request with invalid authentication from 172.71.99.116 (172.71.99.116). Requested URL: '/auth/token'. (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/119.0.0.0 Safari/537.36)
#

This error pops up in logs

vital pier
brittle sail
#

oh

#

you gotta add all the cloudflare IPs i think

#

i dont proxy mine in front of cloudflare

#

i just looked up 172.71.99.116 and it's a CF IP

vital pier
#

oh gosh

brittle sail
#

luckily people have done this before and you can just copy paste lol

#

next time add that info when someone is helping troubleshoot lol

vital pier
#

is that the latest list tho?

brittle sail
#

you've got google man

#

see what you can find lol

vital pier
#

got a txt list

#

This just goes in configuration.yaml?

fast magnet
#

Hya. Just installed HAOS in a VM on Ubuntu, and having problems recognizing USB connected devices: they do show up in Ubuntu as being connected, but any automatic USB discovery in HAOS is not working. What would be a good way to troubleshoot this?

fast magnet
#

I'm trying to get SSH to work to check if I can see some USB devices, but no luck. HAOS has native SSH plugin already, correct? I've installed the Advanced SSH & Web Terminal, but doesnt seem to be working (doesnt start the add on after hitting "start")

#

Is my installation just wrong? Should I have not used Ubuntu and a VM?

grand pivot
#

You need to configure it

#

You need to read the installation instructions for the addon

fast magnet
#

Hmm.. I dont see install instructions with the addon, just a list of features

grand pivot
#

See the tabs

fast magnet
#

Ahhhh, blind. Thanks!

grand pivot
#

If you want to get to the host, just use VNC or whatever your VM provides

fast magnet
#

"Configure the username and password/authorized_keys options" would you happen to know where to do that?

fast magnet
grand pivot
#

That's just an ssh client, and you can use that with the ssh addons

fast magnet
#

ah okok. So, when it comes to configuring the username and password, should I be able to do that in the Configuration tab?

grand pivot
#

I suggest following the instructions

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They are step by step

fast magnet
#

Yeah.. Really apreciate the help, but the instructions on this addon are not that clear. It prob is just me though. So, I installed the addon (step 2), then step 3 it says "Configure the username and password/authorized_keys options" without explaining where I would do that. The Configuration tab for this add on says "This add-on has no configuration."

grand pivot
#

I think that's a browser issue. I don't use HAOS, but I suggest clearing the browser cache

fast magnet
#

Got it. Had to start the addon first for a config file to show up in the tab, and then use YAMS edit to actually be able to store the changes. Am in the terminal now. Thanks for the help πŸ™‚

vital pier
low notch
#

*scheme in nginx: http -> https

#

usually proxmox runs https on :8006

vital pier
#

Ah alright

#

Thanks that did the job

brittle sail
#

you're exposing your entire server via nginx?

#

dont love that

low notch
#

not good, yes

brittle sail
#

bad @vital pier

vital pier
#

Uh no right?

brittle sail
#

it's not something most people do or suggest

low notch
#

setup a vpn for these critical things

#

only route over vpn, don't expose

brittle sail
#

ya you tunnel into your secure network you dont just leave everything accessible outside your lan

vital pier
brittle sail
#

no i mean reverse proxying proxmox is fucked

low notch
#

if you really have to expose then secure it properly, country bans + fail2ban + waf + log checker

vital pier
brittle sail
#

idk

vital pier
#

Proxcord server said create a cf tunnel

brittle sail
#

i guess if you're proxying with cloudflare and want to access remotely atleast setup MFA in cloudflare for that site

#

instead of just reverse proxying it behind an ACL (login)

low notch
#

shodan and its friends will talk to your proxmox in a few days

vital pier
#

If it is I can't find it

vital pier
#

Its a private proxmox with only homeassistant in it tho

vital pier
#

is wireguard useful when I don't have an external server to run it from?
My setup is as followed:

Laptop 1: My House | Main Server
Proxmox Installation with Home Assistant, Portainer and Nginx Proxy Manager

Laptop 2: Parents' House
Proxmox Installation with only Home Assistant

I need to manage Proxmox and Home Assistant that run on Laptop 2 from my own house

Both Home Assistants and Portainer will be made publically available using reverse proxys

fast magnet
#

using Home Assistant SSH, how would i naviage to an optical drive on the host machine and run a file off of that drive?

raven forge
#

I looks like media is not mounted automatically and you likely can't mount it via the SSH addon.
If you have debug SSH or access to the host system via keyboard and monitor you can do something like this

# Find the drive. In my case it's sr0
lsblk | grep rom
sr0     11:0    1  510M  0 rom                                         rom

# Create a mount point and mount the drive
mkdir /mnt/data/tmp/cd
mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/data/tmp/cd

# Make a directory in HA's config dir
mkdir /mnt/data/supervisor/homeassistant/cd

# Copy the drive's data to that dir (not including dot files)
cp -R /mnt/data/tmp/cd/* /mnt/data/supervisor/homeassistant/cd/

That being said. Use other means to transfer the data! I just did this out of curiosity

fast magnet
raven forge
#

You should have said that initially. HAOS is not a "normal" general purpose system: https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/operating-system/
I don't think this will work, at least long-term, but feel free to try. Open the VirtualBox window and type in login to enter the shell. Then follow the instructions.
You can stop after the mount and work directly with /mnt/data/tmp/cd.
Please check lsusb -v and lsblk depending on what you pass through. Your USB device is probably already there. I recommend something other than VirtualBox though.

fast magnet
#

There's nothing there, no USB is being passed through..

#

Yeah i've been warned about VirtualBox

#

So, I have Ubuntu running, and then VM for HA and I want to use docker for Frigate later on

#

prob not the best idea?

raven forge
#

I don't see why it would be a problem. I'd just use something other than VirtualBox to run servers

fast magnet
#

which one would you recommend?

brittle sail
#

you could've been done with proxmox already bro

fast magnet
#

haha true.. I discussed it with my wife, she really wants to keep ubuntu πŸ˜‚

#

she does other stuff on the server

brittle sail
#

i see

#

i'd probably not share servers with anyone

#

especially my wife lol

raven forge
#

Ah so it's a desktop machine that (ab)used as a server?

fast magnet
#

could I just install proxmox and run HA and Ubuntu both as seperate VMs? hmmmm

fast magnet
brittle sail
#

given what we've discussed in #zwave-archived and you wanting frigate and haos i would definitely buy a mini pc to dedicate to home assistant (and frigate) and whatever else you want in the future

#

<$100 can get you rolling

#

all in one server is fine but not when you're sharing it with your wife

#

and benefit of dedicated smart home device is if server is down smart home isnt down

fast magnet
#

I think i'll do it like above: proxmox everything, and then when / if it goes wrong get another box

brittle sail
fast magnet
#

i7 10th gen, 32 gig ram etc. HA + Frigate should be fine. Im not sure what else she's gonna run though hehe

#

thanks for the article earlier, following that now

brittle sail
#

ye

#

it's pretty foolproof

fast magnet
#

Its working, USB passthrough was a breeze too! Thanks!

brittle sail
restive socket
#

If I'm upgrading via docker, (setting version umber in a compose), and it all goes pear shape. Can I simply downgrade the version number in teh compose file and bring it up?
I also assume I should backup .storage - incase of a schema change between versions.

normal bison
#

If I have a firewall, should my home assistant be plugged into the router before the firewall or into the firewall?

low notch
#

after firewall

brazen basin
low notch
#

Yes and no

arctic vault
#

Hi, I'm currently using the docker based image to run homeassistant - I would like to just install some basic linux distribution on the raspberry pi and get it to run there (under docker) - can I just make a backup of the current installation and restore it - or are there some problems with that ?

low notch
#

docker based image

#

which image?

#

yes, take a backup

arctic vault
# low notch > docker based image

sorry - I don't know how to say it - but currently I'm using the image that just installs homeassistant but I have no access to the sytem underneath

low notch
#

I suspect homeassistant OS

arctic vault
#

and I just want to change that to some distribution + homeassistant on top

arctic vault
low notch
#

you can't restore addons on a container install

arctic vault
#

I see

low notch
#

if you don't need addons (you don't) you can safely migrate your config folder to a container install and have fun with your own flavor of linux

arctic vault
#

I see - I need to get the folder somehwere manually or I can just take a backup in the web ui ?

low notch
#

take a backup in the webui, it will be included

arctic vault
#

got it - thank you πŸ™‚

austere condor
#

So, my server just died that was hosting HAOS VM and I've ordered something to replace it. Anyone got opinions on how best to install it? Currently I had it running as a VM on Proxmox, is there any benefit/downside to running bare metal on the new hardware? Any other suggestions/opinions?

kind musk
#

hello, Trying to restore Raspi backup to a new x86 install. Restore in progress for more then an hour now. how can i check is it still running or stuck?

tender wren
kind musk
tender wren
#

I'd do the onboarding and upload the backup in the UI and trigger a restore from there

kind musk
#

ok

#

it was unhealty supervisor, checking now the restore

latent shell
#

Good evening, could someone help me install home assistant on asus tinker board thank you I'm stuck (sorry for my english i use google translate)

severe oak
#

im so confuised.how do i add Lovelace or this plugin Mini player on my dashboard

#

im a dev yet still confusign

wind tusk
#

Hey y'all
I'm trying to get HA running on top of NixOS, exposed only via Caddy but for some reason I keep getting those weird uninformative errors:
Would appreciate some assistance with it

Nov 11 02:05:45 t410 hass[69785]: 2023-11-11 02:05:45.710 ERROR (MainThread) [aiohttp.server] Error handling request
Nov 11 02:05:45 t410 hass[69785]: Traceback (most recent call last):
Nov 11 02:05:45 t410 hass[69785]:   File "/nix/store/9qd23dga31s158y4qknxy5c0fp2v4hfq-python3.11-aiohttp-3.8.5/lib/python3.11/site-packages/aiohttp/web_protocol.py", line 332, in data_received
Nov 11 02:05:45 t410 hass[69785]:     messages, upgraded, tail = self._request_parser.feed_data(data)
Nov 11 02:05:45 t410 hass[69785]:                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nov 11 02:05:45 t410 hass[69785]:   File "aiohttp/_http_parser.pyx", line 557, in aiohttp._http_parser.HttpParser.feed_data
Nov 11 02:05:45 t410 hass[69785]: aiohttp.http_exceptions.BadStatusLine: 400, message:
Nov 11 02:05:45 t410 hass[69785]:   Bad status line "Invalid method encountered:\n\n  b'\\x16\\x03\\x01\\x02'\n    ^"
wind tusk
little swift
#

somehow I must have missed the fact the /config folder now is /homeassistant .... not seeing any errors, but all of my includes in the config point to /config, and I wonder if we need to change that now..

#

or is this the new /www vs /local πŸ˜‰ and auto mapped by the system

raven forge
#

It looks like it's symlinked

little swift
#

i just tested chagning the /config in my yaml includes to /homeassistant but that does not work.

raven forge
#

I think it's only for addons

little swift
#

so it Is the new www/local ....

tender wren
#

On OS level (HAOS) the config directory does not exist anymore. In the userspace config is a link to homeassistant

tender wren
#

I suppose one of the next releases will introduce the homeassistant directory formally and make it usable.

little swift
#

Yeah maybe. Consistency in naming those folders would be better.

dense dust
#

Doing the Core installation, but it's showing no matching distribution found for 2023.11.2. The lastest one is 2023.7.3. How do I get the latest?

raven forge
#

What's your python version?

crimson laurel
#

If your addon maps the entire config, like samba

#

And /config in the addon is now for addon specific things only

dense dust
left acorn
#

hey guys, i am asking for help. I am not a native English speaker so may understand installation guide wrong.
I have Intel NUC 11 without OS rn. i've did download and wrote image on external usb device with Etcher. Am i right what Haos would be installed on this usb drive and not m2?

brittle sail
#

you need to do the live linux method in the documentation

left acorn
#

you mean this one?

#

oh, i can't paste images

#

"Create a β€œlive operating system” on a USB device running e.g. Ubuntu (how-to guide). Insert it into your system and boot the live operating system. Then follow from step 2 in β€œWrite the image to your boot medium”."

brittle sail
#

Typically an internal medium like S-ATA hard disk, S-ATA SSD, M.2 SSD, or a non-removable eMMC is used for the x86-64 boot medium. Alternatively, an external medium can be used such as a USB SDD, though this is not recommended.

#

ye

left acorn
#

ye that's what i am reading πŸ™‚ okay thanks, gonna get my live cd then

brittle sail
#

you could also take the m.2 out of the NUC and put it in your pc and flash it with etcher

#

then no live cd method necessary

#

whatever feels like less work lol

left acorn
#

sadly i can't, i have only one m.2 slot and it's already with my OS

brittle sail
#

i see

#

some people prefer this method so they can run other things alongside haos on powerful NUCs

left acorn
#

that way HAOS would be as VM so two OS on intel NUC? Honestly my NUC isn't so great and i have new NAS in delivery for docker games with radarr, sonarr etc

brittle sail
#

minimal overhead but yeah

shell osprey
#

Time for an amazingly stupid question: I've been hanging on back on 2021.5.5 since, well, 2021. I just purchased a mini PC and have done proxmox setup + latest HAOS as a guest.. I'm looking to export my old pi's configuration and upgrade, but all the backup instructions seem to have changed since my (admittedly ancient) version. Any tips?

brittle sail
#

you have backup in settings right?

shell osprey
#

I don't even have "settings" lol. I've got "configuration"

brittle sail
#

backup and download that bitch and restore to a haos vm on proxmox

#

and then expect to have to fix multiple things

#

breaking changes have definitely happened over that time

shell osprey
#

oh, yeah, I am fully expecting the cutover to be painful (I held out on 2021.5.5 as long as I did because I didn't want to fuss with zigbee2mqtt and the new zwave-in-a-container business. But it's time.

#

My old Pi3B is getting ever-slower and sometimes it just dies and needs to be rebooted. Hurts wife acceptance factor.. so now I need to figure out how to set up and do the cutover to the new machine without damaging WAF.. if I can tee up everything may do it tomorrow morning while she's sleeping in. πŸ˜…

brittle sail
#

idk man

#

this is one of those "talk to her like a reasonable person and explain there is a major upgrade needed" situations

shell osprey
#

oh, absolutely.

#

I just want to schedule it to minimize disruption. We've absolutely talked about it and she knows it's coming.

brittle sail
#

well you can always fall back to your old one

shell osprey
#

yeah exactly. But first I have to get the existing config backed up, and.. ugh, I know I did this at least once back in the day but it's been a while since I touched it since I've been stressing about other things. Heh. So away we go.

brittle sail
#

well the new install first boot lets you restore from backup right from there

#

just point to a file

shell osprey
#

yeah. Just have to get the file.

brittle sail
#

if you have a multi gig backup you might need to actually install haos new then install samba addon and copy it over

#

i wouldnt start with that tho

amber iron
#

is there a line i can look for int he logs to see wht caused home assistant core to shutdown/restart

hearty pollen
shell osprey
#

ok, so, after reading.. I've got my old 2021.5.5 HA Core config folder (.homeassistant) copied over to another PC, and the ssh addon setup for the new HAOS install. So in theory, I guess I could just overwrite the stuff in the HAOS install's config folder, reboot, and see what blows up. >_> .. any reason not to do that?

grand pivot
#

literally everything will blow up

#

you should start over

shell osprey
#

well, fair enough.

fossil veldt
#

hey I run a generic x86 install. Is there anything that I can run from the command line to use the monitor for something? it just sits there unused, would love it if there were some type of browser or anything like that?

grand pivot
#

nope

late shell
#

Currently running 10.5 in docker, want to switch to HAOS, will the backup work in HAOS 11.1?

tender wren
#

What 10.5 are you talking about?

late shell
#

Home Assistant 2023.10.5
Frontend 20231005.0 - latest

raven forge
#

You can't just omit the major version of a version number πŸ˜„
I'd say yes. It's barely a month old.

tender wren
#

You should look at the release notes of HA 2023.11 and check for breaking changes.
If nothing bad is stated: yes

tall dock
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I'm trying to install Home Assistant for Windows, but during installation I get "An error occurred while installing Home Assistant, check the logs below for more information."

humble mirage
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How are you trying to install it? What guide are you following?

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There's only two official options, and neither should produce that message

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@tall dock ☝️

tall dock
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I'm trying to install it via VirtualBox by watching a video on YouTube.

humble mirage
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There's thousands of those, without a link we can't even begin to guess what you're doing

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(and many of them are outdated)

tall dock
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can i send link the video?

humble mirage
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Well, if you don't we don't know what you're following

tall dock
humble mirage
#

What step are you getting the error at?

tall dock
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The minute I got the error was 2.21

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I get this error after entering the ip address

humble mirage
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So, you have the console showing in VBox?

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And you're connecting to the IP and port 8123?

humble scaffoldBOT
#

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

humble mirage
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Share what you're seeing in the browser

tall dock
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Should I share the log?

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I don't know English well so please forgive my mistakes.

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I use translation

humble scaffoldBOT
#

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

humble mirage
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Share the log with one of those, or the image of what the browser shows you using any image hosting site

tall dock
humble mirage
#

Your computer isn't low on disk space is it?

humble scaffoldBOT
#

404 Error for docker usually is a result of one of these things:

  • The image tag you are trying to use does not exist (if this is the case you will see the word 'manifest' in the error)

  • There is not enough space left on the device to download the new container.

  • There was a networking issue preventing the image from being downloaded.

humble mirage
#

And it does have working access to the internet?

tall dock
tender wren
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And is the VM network adapter set to Bridged Adapter - with your LAN adarper selected as source?

humble mirage
#

That error really only turns out when you're out of space or there's no internet access.

tall dock
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wait a minute

humble mirage
#

If you're not out of space then... well...

tall dock
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im using wifi

low notch
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wifi & bridged adapter on windows, good luck

humble mirage
#

There's a well known problem with VBox and bridged wifi adapters

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Some work, some don't, some work sometimes

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In other words, it's a bad combination (Windows and VBox) made worse

tall dock
#

So what should I do?

humble mirage
#

Use a wired connection, or find another computer

tall dock
#

I understand, thank you all for your effort.

gusty siren
#

Hey. I just got a new server and wanted to move everything over. For the most part it was easy since im using docker I just had to copy over all the config folders and thats it. But for some reason it looks like home assistant still thinks im a new installation even tho the log shows that all my components and stuff get loaded. And even when I try to procede with the onboarding process, i simply cant create an account - nothing happens.

tender wren
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Have you mapped the config directory to the HA Docker container properly?

gusty siren
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yes. I can even see the logs

#
2023-11-12 12:20:07.793 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.http] Failed to create HTTP server at port 8123: [Errno 98] error while attempting to bind on address ('::', 8123, 0, 0): address in use
2023-11-12 12:20:20.439 WARNING (MainThread) [soco.events_asyncio] Could not bind to 192.168.178.69:1400: [Errno 98] Address in use

Those are the only two messages I dont unterstand. Rest are warning I know from before (custom components)

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I have no other service running on the new machine. No docker stuff and its a complete fresh ubuntu server install.

brittle sail
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Hidden folders in config not copied?

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Oh is your old box still online?

gusty siren
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i checked. I copied .storage and .cloud. I've checked with ls -lisa if there is anything more

gusty siren
tender wren
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Is a container without directory mapping still running?

gusty siren
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on the new or old machine?

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On the old - yes. On the new: no.

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But on the old on different directory. Duplicati to be specific.

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Just rebooted my old HA Instance to do a manual backup in the UI

humble mirage
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You apparently missed .storage/

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Hopefully Duplicati runs as root

gusty siren
gusty siren
humble mirage
#

Check

tender wren
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What command or docker-compose config did you use to spin up HA?

humble mirage
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Because some files in that folder won't get backed up unless you run Duplicati as root

gusty siren
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  homeassistant:
    container_name: homeassistant
    image: "ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable"
    volumes:
      - ./hass-config/config:/config
      - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro
    restart: unless-stopped
    privileged: true
    network_mode: host
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Object { error: "Response error: 500", status_code: 500, body: "500 Internal Server Error\n\nServer got itself in trouble" }

This is the error I get when I try to login

humble mirage
#

You've checked that all the files you have in the original .storage/ exist with the same contents in the new?

gusty siren
#

I will check it. But I get the same error from above even when I try it with a complete blank, new Instance of HA. With an empty config folder.

gusty siren
#

ok i think we found something. Even without any docker image i can still access the "dashboard".
I checked and I have python3 -m homeassistant --config /config running on 8132

humble mirage
#

Well... you need to kill that container

gusty siren
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but where does it come from?

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all i did was create an instance first to check if I can reach it. I somehow have stuff running plain without docker. That makes no sense at all.

humble mirage
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--config /config points to Docker, not Core

gusty siren
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but docker ps is emty

humble mirage
#

Time to chase the process tree and find the parent

gusty siren
#

I gave up. Fresh install it is

round harbor
#

I am switching my network infrastructure to use NGINX Proxy Manger instead of Kemp's Free Load Balancer. I like Kemp's LB, but I have too many internal services running through it and the free version is bandwidth limited. I am running into some issues with HA.

Firewall rules forward to NGINX on the proper port
NGINX is configured forward to the correct HA host
HA has user x fowarded for set to true, and the NGINX host IP listed as a trusted proxy.

Hitting the URL takes me to the 'Unable to Connect to Home Assistant' page. I believe the connection is being refused.

Where can I look to see why HA is rejecting connections?

humble mirage
#

HA's log file

round harbor
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which one?

humble mirage
#

There's only one

humble scaffoldBOT
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If you're having problems with your updates to your configuration:

round harbor
#

I must be dense- when I go to the logs I see: Core, Supervisor, Host, etc

humble mirage
#

Core is the only thing that matters here, as covered by the bot message's links

torpid bronze
#

HomeAssistant on Raspberry Pi 1 B ?

round harbor
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I edited the config yaml to debug. What would a connection accepted/ rejection line look like? I'm not fining either

humble mirage
#

You'll only see a rejection, and only if http isn't set correctly

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What does your proxy logs tell you?

round harbor
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found it- I no longer had to specify the port in the URL

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once I get more experience with NGINX, I'll look to move all apps to 443 and let the proxy sort out the location

humble mirage
#

If you're using Docker can I suggest you look at Traefik

#

It natively handles SSL renewal for you, and more

round harbor
#

thanks, I'

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I will look into it

meager sand
#

I cant update supervisor on my raspberry pi. I keep getting this error:

23-11-13 00:46:47 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.supervisor] Update of Supervisor failed: Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2023.11.0: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.43/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2023.11.0/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2023.11.0")
[00:52]
Quite frustrating as this stops me from updating the core aswell. So Im now completely blocked from all updates.

meager sand
#

Yes

raven forge
meager sand
raven forge
meager sand
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Sorry, just noticed the "login" part first. Doesnt seem to be the same login details as for the SSH tho

meager sand
#

And I cant install the advanced SSH addon instead due to an error message which asks me to update Supervisor first

raven forge
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Hence the multiple mentions of a keyboard and monitor. You don't need the SSH addon if you have physical access

meager sand
#

Alright, will try that. Thanks

meager sand
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Hold on, pics coming

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It weirdly prints out as loginlogin and dockedocker even though I just type "login" and "docker".

raven forge
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Yeah it's a bit bugged. Enter just login then press enter. Only then run other commands. The ha > should go away

meager sand
#

Now I got this:
Failed to register layer: error creating overlay mount to /mnt/data/docker/overlay2/cb156b6babd0606e4a42eae4bc7adc76af0ec391f467947250e500419564701d/merged: too many levels of symbolic links

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Its probably a lost cause, isnt it?

raven forge
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That's a bit harder to fix but not impossible. HAOS complicates fixing this a bit. I'd make sure I have backups and re-flash. Did you have any power interruptions or brownouts?

meager sand
#

Yeah, we had an outage a couple of days ago. Could this be some kind of automatic update that got interrupted by the outage and then blocks another try?

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I'll reinstall with a backup, thanks for the help anyways. I was thinking of installing using Docker next time. Is that a good or bad idea on a Raspberry Pi 4b?

raven forge
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I don't think so. I read about this a few weeks ago and docker apparently has a fix for it in newer versions.

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I use a docker installation myself and prefer it

meager sand
#

I will try that then. Thanks for your time!

timber needle
#

hello. I've been running HA container for a long time and now I would like to migrate to HAOS. Several forum threads suggest it's pretty easy to backup/restore but I'm wondering if ZHA will just work as a part of that or if it needs some extra work?

humble mirage
#

Yes, that's an integration so covered by the backups

timber needle
#

i guess my concern is will the coordinator stick have the same device name

empty bloom
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don't use the usb aliases

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use the device_by_id then there's nothing to worry about

timber needle
#

ok, so that will be the same then. I mapped /dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_86e4a17f4e19ec11b3b63bcc47486eb0-if00-port0 in the host OS to the same device path in docker

empty bloom
#

I'm impressed by the length of that device by id

timber needle
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it's highly specific. I feel it's future proofing for the sitiuation where i wanted several billion zigbee sticks in one machine

mossy gyro
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Hi guys I'm running into an installation issue, here are the logs, can anyone help me?

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Basically the first error that I see on the logs is

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Can't find Supervisor network, creating a new network

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And from there

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[supervisor.utils.whoami] Whoami service failed with SSL verification: Cannot connect to host services.home-assistant.io:443 ssl:True [SSLCertVerificationError: (1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: certificate is not yet valid (_ssl.c:1006)')]

low notch
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Fix your systems time

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Or the connection from your system to ntp

mossy gyro
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I had to re install hass on my rpi4 because it didn't start up anymore... It was having a problem with the 'systemct1 status systemd-time-wait-syn.service'

loud hemlock
#

im migrating from the sonoff zigbee zbdongle-p to the new skyconnect. what is the best practice here? do i convert my existing infrastucture to the skyconnect, backup, restore on a new box? it should also be said that im migrating hardware too (apu4 to nuc). HAOS for both.

mossy gyro
loud hemlock
#

oh right!

mossy gyro
low notch
#

By waiting for someone who knows how to do that on HaOS.
I donβ€˜t know.

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I donβ€˜t use that inferior technology

little swift
#

wow, updating the OS from 10.5 to 11.1 makes the memory usage % drop at least 4, from +21 to 16-17ish. seems also the processor is left alone more πŸ˜‰ good to see things calm down

raven forge
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Percentages are kinda meaningless without knowing what 100% represents and how and when the memory utilization was checked.
I still want to see a picture of it though πŸ™‚

vague crystal
latent thistle
#
recorder:
  auto_purge: false
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is this how to turn auto purge off?

remote valve
#

Integration was already installed on my HA

static yoke
#

Does anyone know how to resolve this error ? "Error: Update of Supervisor failed: Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2023.11.0: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.43/images/create?tag=2023.11.0&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Faarch64-hassio-supervisor&platform=linux%2Farm64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": dial tcp: lookup ghcr.io: no such host")" I am running HA on a Nabu Casa Yellow. I can resolve the host manually "host ghcr.io
ghcr.io has address 20.29.134.18"

raven forge
#

Did you run this on the yellow? You could try ha supervisor repair and show what ha network info says

static yoke
#

yes, I first tried to do the update via the web ui. When that failed I tried via ssh. I have now ran the repair, that rain without error but an update after that failed with the same error.

lucid spear
#

hi

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πŸ‘‹

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so

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i wanna get steam so i can game on my mini pi 4 ( 8gb)

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since im making it a mini gaming pc

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and i gotta 3d print the parts later and that

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but

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i tried to get steam from pi apps

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and that shi dont work

low notch
#

This is a homeassistant server

lucid spear
#

just runs in the backroun

#

oh

empty bloom
#

this is a home assistant server, not raspberry pi server

#

we aren't going to know how to do that

lucid spear
#

ok

raven forge
#

So many messages πŸ‘€

vague crystal
remote valve
calm wasp
#

installer been stuck on [supervisor.resolution.check] System checks complete [supervisor.resolution.evaluate] Starting system evaluation with state running [supervisor.resolution.evaluate] System evaluation complete [supervisor.resolution.fixup] Starting system autofix at state running [supervisor.resolution.fixup] System autofix complete [supervisor.host.services] Updating service information [supervisor.host.network] Updating local network information [supervisor.host.sound] Updating PulseAudio information [supervisor.host.manager] Host information reload completed
for 2 hours now /:
anyone any idea? (x86_64 based thin client)

fast quiver
#

How can I make home assistant tell me which lights I have on?

feral drift
#

i installed via virt-install in the docs, but my VM apparently cannot access the LAN whatsoever - what gives?

raven forge
#

You need to provide more information. Probably misconfigured networking.

humble mirage
#

How can I make home assistant tell me

hoary widget
#

I'm stuck trying to install HACS via the SSH add-on terminal (tried the official add-on as well as the advanced terminal add-on), I seem unable to find a solution online, the terminal doesn't seem to be able to have internet access. Found some forum posts with the same issues but without solutions. I read that there's ways to install it manually but I would rather install it the official way and find out why I can't seem to install it this way. Any help would be very much appreciated!

raven forge
#

the terminal doesn't seem to be able to have internet access
Show us what you see

hoary widget
#
➜  ~ wget -O - https://get.hacs.xyz | bash -                                                                                                                                                                                              
--2023-11-15 09:11:00--  https://get.hacs.xyz/
Resolving get.hacs.xyz (get.hacs.xyz)... failed: Try again.
wget: unable to resolve host address 'get.hacs.xyz'
➜  ~
raven forge
#

Show us what nslookup get.hacs.xyz and nslookup get.hacs.xyz 1.1.1.1 and ha network info says

hoary widget
raven forge
#

Looks like coredns isn't running

hoary widget
#
➜  ~ nslookup get.hacs.xyz 1.1.1.1                                                                                                                 Server:         1.1.1.1                                                                                                                             
Address:        1.1.1.1#53                                                                                                                          
Non-authoritative answer:                                                                                                                           
Name:   get.hacs.xyz                                                                                                                                
Address: 104.21.39.42                                                                                                                               
Name:   get.hacs.xyz                                                                                                                                
Address: 172.67.143.44                                                                                                                              
Name:   get.hacs.xyz                                                                                                                                
Address: 2606:4700:3031::ac43:8f2c                                                                                                                  
Name:   get.hacs.xyz                                                                                                                                
Address: 2606:4700:3034::6815:272a
humble scaffoldBOT
#

@hoary widget I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

raven forge
#

Try ha dns logs. The settings look okay to me but 172.30.32.3, which is the hassio_dns container seems to have died for some reason.

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@hoary widget I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

raven forge
#

Yeah coredns definitely died. I've seen something similar a few days ago: <#general-archived message>
I'm not sure what causes this. You can try ha supervisor repair (give it a few minutes, works in background), ha dns update, ha dns restart.
I'm gonna research what ha dns reset does and look or the error in the github repos.

hoary widget
#

Cool, gonna try that right now, thanks so much for the help!

#

yeah it says it can't start the CoreDNS plugin

humble mirage
#

Very on topic for this channel

raven forge
#

I can't find anything illegal instruction related to DNS in the home-assistant org but this is the repo to report such a bug: https://github.com/home-assistant/plugin-dns.

This is for HassOS and is the login shell for supervised systems.
Yeah I don't think so πŸ™ƒ

ha dns reset seems to call the api with /dns/reset which triggers this: https://github.com/home-assistant/supervisor/blob/60a97235dfd8e315a4a32aa7a95f02144f977ae8/supervisor/plugins/dns.py#L248
Not what we want but now I know for the future.

Unfortunately I don't have any ideas on how to easily fix this for now.

feral drift
#

unless I'm terribly misinterpreting something, all the direction that the docs give you as far as I'm concerned is just to make the VM & boot it, then proceed with onboarding

raven forge
#

apparently
Show us what made you think that.
Maybe it's not connected to a bridge, or the bridge is not configured correctly. Both virtualization and networking are complicated things.
Guessing around is hard for such topics is hard as there's a billion variables, guessing without any information even more so.

low notch
#

My guess is DNS

#

Its probably not but who knows

#

Always a good bet

feral drift
#

as far as I'm concerned it isn't a DNS issue - logged into the VM itself & pinged a known working domain, it reported a connection like it should. just can't access the Home Assistant onboarding page by any means.

raven forge
low notch
hoary widget
raven forge
#

Looks like it. I'd never recommend overtaking someone else's install or having someone install it for you. You don't want a black box (better term anyone?).

hoary widget
#

Yeah, I'll try reinstalling HAOS. I feel like it would teach me couple things or two. =-)

feral drift
# low notch ok. so its not dns. explain further.

tried to access the onboarding page by hostname - no dice, tried homeassistant.local and homeassistant
tried accessing it by IP address - still doesn't work

at least according to Cockpit (which I didn't use to set up the VM, to be clear - I did so over SSH), it should be on a separate subnet (192.168.1.xxx instead of my local 192.168.0.xxx), and the forwarding mode is NAT.

when I go to the VM & run ha network info, it claims its IPv4 is 192.168.1.161 - tried that IP, goes nowhere on any device I try to reach the onboarding page on.

#

the installation of QEMU is rather fresh on the system as well, it was installed just today for exactly this purpose & nothing else, have barely touched any settings within.

#

i've searched a bit & see some suggest that you shouldn't use NAT for the HAOS VM & instead need to set up a network bridge - but every time I've tried that, it causes the host to lose all network connectivity outright, seemingly directing all outgoing requests back into itself when you attempt to ping a known working server? not sure why, all I know for certain is that the exact second I add an adapter to a bridge after making one, the host drops any current connections & doesn't know how to do anything but ping itself.

low notch
#

why nat?

#

and if you go with ip don't forget :8123

#

you want it bridged, doesn't make sense to NAT HA

feral drift
# low notch why nat?

i didn't forget the port lol, I'm familiar with specifying port

I'm assuming NAT is the default that virt-install uses?

#

i didn't pick it specifically, that's for sure - though if it's not the right one to have in any case, then it's probably the problem I'm having

low notch
#

yes it is the default. you want a bridge interface properly set up attached to eth0 and spanning your host and vm clients

feral drift
#

in that case, not to sound needy but how exactly do I go about setting that up without causing the host to lose connection?

#

i've went through probably 4 different guides now on how to make a bridge interface, every time I encounter the same problem: as soon as I add the host's network adapter, the host completely loses connection & any ping to known-good servers redirect to the host itself

low notch
#

don't panic. debug that while it lost connection

#

at least don't go back to where you started because that isn't working either

#

we don't even know the os yet I think?

feral drift
#

oh yeah, maybe should've disclosed that - running the VM on Ubuntu Server 22.04,3 LTS.

low notch
#

thats how much useful information we have. superb

feral drift
low notch
#

ubuntu sucks

feral drift
#

i'm fully aware of that, unfortunately i wasn't when i first put the server together several years ago lol

#

in the morning I suppose I'll try yet again to make the network bridge work without somehow taking down the host's connection - too late for me to get to that right now

dull ridge
#

Just got my HA Green today and already having issues. Cloud integration says the core is insecure, but the Green FW is up to date.

humble mirage
#

What's the actual message?

dull ridge
#

Remote UI
Insecure Home Assistant instance detected.
We have detected that you are running Home Assistant Core 0.65.5. This version has been marked as possibly insecure by the Home Assistant team.

#

After a quick Google, it'd would be related to Pi but I have Green

#

This security mechanism is triggered when we detect an instance running Home Assistant Core 2021.1.4 or older. Those versions have been marked as possibly insecure by the Home Assistant team and are blocked from using the Remote UI feature.

humble mirage
#

And... what version are you running?

humble scaffoldBOT
#

Open your Home Assistant instance and show your Home Assistant version information

ripe isle
#

manual for install on ubuntu 18 ?

humble mirage
#

Follow the install docs for Linux?

#

You almost certainly want Container (Docker)

ripe isle
#

i se only manual for some virtual machines i search for normal install on pc with ubuntu

humble mirage
#

Open the channel topic and click the first link

#

Click Linux on the right

#

Click the penguin

#

Click install HA Container

#

(oh, and sure Ubuntu 18 is LTS, but it's already out of standard support... long past time to upgrade)

dull ridge
#

Core
2023.11.2
Supervisor
2023.11.3
Operating System
11.1
Frontend
20231030.2

humble mirage
#

Weird... I'd raise a bug about that

humble scaffoldBOT
#

Want to see what issues are open (or were open and are now closed)?

Don't forget to check for any alerts

If you think an upgrade broke something then:

  1. Downgrade to the previous version to check if it works correctly there
  2. If it does then change the logger settings for that integration to debug
  3. Upgrade to the new version again
  4. Look in the logs for errors
  5. Open an issue, following the template provided and including the log information
humble mirage
#

Probably open it in Core, though I suspect it'll be moved

hoary widget
humble mirage
#

No

crude inlet
#

@dull ridge do you have a synology or qnap?

olive iron
#

can anyone help me figure out and easiest way to go from a Low Voltage Halogen Bulb? or where best to start to figuring this?
MR16 12V to a LED bulb and not being able to see or get to the transformer of the wiring as it is now! Has this would mean ripping the all ceiling down! Thanks

humble mirage
#

That's got nothing to do with installing HA

ripe isle
#

TZ=MY_TIME_ZONE for Poland πŸ‡΅πŸ‡± ?

humble mirage
dull ridge
crude inlet
#

You might check and confirm. Docker installation on the QNAP? Isn't it the very old version by default?

dull ridge
#

QNAP only works as a storage/Plex server

crude inlet
#

And you confirmed this just now? Because when I see "0.65.5" my mind instantly thinks "qnap" and then I asked if you had one and you said yes πŸ™‚

#

You can even search for "0.65.5" here and find similar results

dull ridge
#

I've said in pretty much all my messages that I have HA Green and my 3rd message says my core version is Core
2023.11.2

#

You asked me if I have Qnap or Synology, and I said I have Qnap, but HA is not running on it, because I have HA Green.

crude inlet
#

Can you shut the green down? Settings > icon in the upper right corner, choose restart, click on advanced options, choose shut down

#

Or, physically disconnect ethernet would also do I guess.

#

@dull ridge did the message change there at the website?

dull ridge
#

No. But then again the HA Green Core version is 2023.11.2

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Hmm, I refreshed the page couple of times and now the error message is no longer there

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Wow, seemed to have worked. Thanks @crude inlet

bronze talon
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I am running home assistant, I install MQTTT but I want to enter the MQTT Host in the configure page but I cannot figure out where to find that name for MQTT Host.

raven forge
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The addon should list its hostname on its overview page.You can also use the HA ip

bronze talon
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Thank you

dull ridge
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Now the next issue then... trying to do Netatmo integration. Everything goes fine until I get to Netatmo page, where I click accept, but instead of proceeding, the page merely refreshes itself and stays the same. I've disable all the blockers etc and tried with 3 different browers. https://imgur.com/a/Hq6WU2H

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I've logged out of Netatmo account and tried while logged in, deleted cookies for Netatmo site.

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The usual stuff.

bronze talon
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I put in the ip address of my home assistant the field and get this

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00:00:00.001 HDW: ESP8266EX
00:00:00.050 CFG: Loaded from flash at FB, Count 43
00:00:00.055 QPC: Count 1
00:00:00.062 Project EZPlug - EZPlug Version 11.0.0(tasmota)-2_7_4_9(2022-02-15T15:11:54)
00:00:00.551 WIF: Connecting to AP1 Knapp-Smart-Home Channel 1 BSSId 26:5A:4C:90:FF:E0 in mode 11n as EZPlug-8B49FF-2559...
00:00:04.756 WIF: Connected
00:00:05.008 HTP: Web server active on EZPlug-8B49FF-2559 with IP address 192.168.1.248
19:34:17.002 MQT: Attempting connection...
19:34:17.214 MQT: Connect failed to 192.168.1.133:1883, rc -2. Retry in 10 sec
19:34:17.460 QPC: Reset
19:34:28.016 MQT: Attempting connection...
19:34:28.232 MQT: Connect failed to 192.168.1.133:1883, rc -2. Retry in 20 sec

raven forge
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I'd test MQTT connectivity with something like MQTT Explorer. What does the MQTT addon's overview page and its log look like?

bronze talon
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I dug deaper into the system and found a different IP address and used that and it connected. Now I have to see if everything else works. Thank you for such elementry questions from this retired probrammer.

quaint hawk
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Hi mates, i am trying to install it.
Everything worked fine until I try to connect to http://localhost:8123
I am hosting on my pc with virtual box.
Netstat doesn't show 8123 listening.
I got the VM NAT enabled.
Any idea what should i do??

low notch
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Disable nat, use bridged adapter

vital jackal
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What is the point of Backups?
I have backups but when I try to restore one it tells me it can not restore it because my HA is in freeze state. How do I unfreeze it? πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

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quaint hawk
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Ooooo thx mate, didn't realise that's different

heavy fractal
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How can I edit my fstab on HAOS? I have root access. I think my media drive is occasionally interfering with my boot drive on boot.

thorn lake
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dear all

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I have a following problem with my fresh installation - can someone help me out?

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I'd be very gratefull - yes the Pi has internet connection, dns also works πŸ˜‰ - THX!

humble mirage
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How can I edit my fstab on HAOS? I have

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Try flashing again, or try another SD card

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Did you do either of those?

thorn lake
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will do now - I'll let you know

humble scaffoldBOT
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@fading vigil I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

fading vigil
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I am currently following the guide on installing HA on my raspberry pi with docker however it doesn't seem to get further than the last line shown above I have made sure the config folder perms are set correctly

humble mirage
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Are you using docker run or a compose file?

fading vigil
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compose

humble mirage
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Exactly what command are you using to start it?

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What does your compose file look like?

fading vigil
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services:
  homeassistant:
    container_name: homeassistant
    image: "ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable"
    volumes:
      - /home/pi/homeassistant/config:/config
      - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro
        environment:
      - TZ=Europe/London
    restart: unless-stopped
    privileged: true
    network_mode: host```
humble mirage
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Exactly what command are you using to start it?

fading vigil
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docker start homeassistant

humble mirage
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You should be using docker compose up -d homeassistant

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(that's even in the docs)

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What you ran doesn't use the compose file, and just starts a basic container

fading vigil
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docker compose up -d homeassistant results in the same result posted earlier

humble mirage
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Now look in /home/pi/homeassistant/config

fading vigil
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I am unable to connect to the webpage however

raven forge
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That YAML is indented wrong but besides that, are you sure you're using the right address to access it?

fading vigil
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I noticed that and fixed it, yes

raven forge
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I was hoping you tell me which one you used πŸ˜„
What does nc -vz localhost 8123 and ss -4ltpn | grep 8123 say?