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low notch
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one can run vms on ipads. just saying

placid sage
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Hello guys, Im really new to it. Im trying since 2 days to install Home Assitant OS on my old Laptop.
Finally yesterday I succed to flash the ISO to a USB Stick and today I got it that my laptop tries to Boot from the USB Stick instead of Ubunut (it was the running system before).
Now when booting the laptop, after some process I get into a black Terminal saying Welcome to Home Assistant etc....

The thing is I dont have Lan, so how should I continue?

low notch
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what iso?

final socket
dawn pumice
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hey, I am trying to upgrade my HA container using portainer through the recreate function with re-pull image, but I am getting this error, is this an issue with docker?
Head "https://registry-1.docker.io/v2/ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant/manifests/stable": unknown: invalid repository name

charred cloud
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Hey guys, i got a question.
Im trying to use esp32 with home assistant, but eventually my project i want to apply it on other networks and other houses for that reason, do i need to have a virtual server on a PC and have it running constantly to have home assistant connected to my esp32 to get data and so on? is there a way to just set up once the esp32 and use home assistant with it only connected to the other house's wifi network? Can i run the whole thing just from my esp32? i dont know to deal with this issue

humble mirage
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Hey guys i got a question

spark fjord
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my pi came back from warranty, but when I try to set it up, I cant get past the make an account screen. After filling in the required field and clicking on 'make account', nothing happens

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the image quickly flashes, but nothing else happens. When trying to upload a backup, it uploads for a couple of seconds, and then comes asking for the file again

spark fjord
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Reflashed the ssd, and now UI isnt even coming up anymore. I get connection refused error, but observer says its connected and supported

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In other words local:8123 doesnt work but local:4357 does

spark fjord
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solved by installing via Balena Etcher and not raspberry pi imager (might be a problem with 10.2?)

worldly wren
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Hey guys. I am currently switching from an esxi server to a proxmox server. So I have my old home assistant sitting in a vm on my desktop in vmware workstation. I went ahead and ran a HA full backup and using the google addon I uploaded it. I then in proxmox created a new vm with HA. I installed the addon and then downloaded the backup. I went ahead and went to the backup section and told it to restore. I was kicked out of the gui and figured it was doing its thing. However after leaving it sit overnight for 7 hours I'm still unable to pull the gui up on either the static ip that was assigned in the other vm nor the new ip address that was dhcp assigned to the new vm.

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the backup was 24GBs in size. I am curious if there is somewhere I can look to see is it running, why is it hung up, etc.

raven forge
worldly wren
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ok

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ha network info is showing the ip address still of the dhcp assigned

raven forge
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You can also check docker ps to see if ha is running at all and if http://yourip:4357/ responds
When the logs don't have any recent information I'd attempt a restart

worldly wren
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ahhh when I just pulled docker logs for supervisor I'm seeing an out of space error. Its a 50GB HDD for the OS

raven forge
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HAOS should grow the file system(s) on its own (at boot I think) through systemd-growfs when you increase the disk

worldly wren
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the backup at 24, according to the add on there was only 35GB free. I'll increase the size of the virtual disk in proxmox

twin cypress
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Hi cam someone please help me with Docker on "Home Assistant Core: 2023.5.4"

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I am not able to execute any command related to ha docker - for example ha docker ps

raven forge
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Where/how are you executing them? What happens if you try? Try to omit the leading ha

twin cypress
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more details I am running Home Assistant Core: 2023.5.4 as a VM in ProxMox

I am able to

ssh root@homeassistant.local
humble scaffoldBOT
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@twin cypress I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
raven forge
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You need to use the community SSH addon and disable protection mode: https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-ssh
You can also use proxmox's VNC console to use it directly on the host but you have to type login first

twin cypress
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trying proxmox console

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awesome that worked thanks @raven forge

twin cypress
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so quick question is it possible to redirect all docker logs to external system

worldly wren
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Just had to up he size of the hdd to 100GBs. Finally went through. I guess the only thing backups don't do is the IP address?

low notch
humble mirage
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They're actually using HAOS

low notch
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oh, then thats not going to happen

viscid gate
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How long does it typically take for this "HAOS swap" service to start?

versed wadi
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Hi there. N00b here. Been looking for a while now to bring all of my devices under a single umbrella and am hoping that HA is the way. I've read through the documentation for installation. I'm running Fedora Workstation, with a 250GB SSD attached to the system via a disk cloner (sabrent). When attempting to install to the medium, I encounter: "Something went wrong. If it is a compressed image, please check that the archive is not corrupted. The elevated process died unexpectedly.

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I noticed that the "source url" in balena etcher says "cancel" where in the screenshot of the documentation it reads "remove". I had thought maybe I'm not giving it enough time to download, but I let it sit for an hour with no change.

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I attempted to install via CLI, and the repo apparently is unable to be found. I'd appreciate any help or pointing me in the right direction.

brittle sail
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dns strikes again

raven forge
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I attempted to install via CLI
What did you do exactly?
As for the etcher thing, try to unpack the file yourself and give it that.
You can also manually write the image to the disk like this: <#installation-archived message>

brittle sail
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so you're feeding etcher a url instead of a file?

versed wadi
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RE: CLI - disregard. I ran into that problem when attempting to BalenaEtcher via CLI. Apologies

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I am. Using HomeAss.io's installation guide to generic x86_x64 systems

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Sigh. nevermind. I'm a dumbass.

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Thanks for helping so quickly though.

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New to HA and Discord.

raven forge
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What was the issue/fix?

versed wadi
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I had downloaded the img.tz file for some reason let the .tz trip me up thinking that I couldn't just select the file itself as the source.

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I've used Balena on macOS in the past...first time on linux and I have no idea why I let the .tz at the end of the image file lead me to thinking I couldn't just target the file itself.

versed wadi
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I now now have a new problem. Image loaded to media. Media installed to system. System hooked up to wired LAN and monitor. I get a GRUB loader with options:
SLot A (OK=0 TRY=0)*
Slot B (OK=0 TRY=0)
Slot A (rescue Shell)
Slot B (Rescure Shell)

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  • is the default and spits out what appears to be hardward checks/driver loads then just stops.
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I remove a USB device, it updates that that device has removed. Re-seat, it updates the device is now loaded. But it doesn't load any further that that to the actual OS.

versed wadi
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I am at a loss. It continues to just boot into what appears to be a verbose log tracking changes in hardware (removing and adding random USB devices). I'm not able to web into, I don't see any activity on the NIC post boot, and have no idea where to go next. Doesn't seem to be much out there about this problem or I'm not asking google the right questions.

humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

raven forge
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Some images might help. Is your device set up to boot in UEFI mode?

versed wadi
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It is. In fact, Legacy boot mode isn't even an option on this box.

keen crown
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hi

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Is thre a demo site for mobile home assistant to connect

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i have ran home-assistant android mobile code on laptop in emulator

low notch
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yea sure just connect to my instance

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jk, you might need to setup a real server. not just the mobile app

orchid anvil
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It's been a while, but I finally had some more time to tinker. Seems like db size was not the problem after all, just made trying stuff really slow...

I eventually found some other mariadb logs (in my container they were at /config/databases/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.err) and they stated that there was a version conflict between the database and the installed version. Seems I had inadvertently installed an update to the mariadb container that had taken it from v 10.5.15 to 10.9.x and was HA was unable to update the database. Downgrading the mariadb docker container to 10.5.15 made database upgrade in home assistant succeed and i have started upgrading through version 10.5.16 and am currently on 10.5.17 with no errors. All historical data is intact too.
Now I guess next step is to try an upgrade to 10.6.9 and see how that goes. Ultimately I will try to get to 10.11.x as i have an other HA OS install running that version with no problems.

Next on the agenda, pruning the database. Is there a way to trim the dataset and get rid of unnecessary data from within HA?
Is there a way to reduce the time resolution by e.g. deleting every second state change for an entity (for temperature loggers or other sensors)?
Also, are there any known pitfalls when upgrading mariadb from 10.5.x to 10.6, 10.7 and beyond? Should i go through every subversion with subreleases released at the same date? I see 10.5.17 was released same day as 10.6.9, 10.7.5, 10.8.4 and so on...

quaint bolt
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(take a snapshot, run your updates, and it it doesn't work, roll back to the snapshot. if it all works, just delete the snapshot)

versed wadi
versed wadi
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Figured it out! Now to tinker.

raven forge
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What was the fix?

placid sage
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Hi again, I finally installed HA OS on my old Laptop. But have trouble to connect with my windows Laptop.
I use an old smartphone with a SIM card inside and hotspot on for my internet. So I went to my brother to install HA OS so I can connect the laptop to ethernet. Everything worked. I connected to the mobile phone hotspot from the Iphone HA app and it works so far from the mobile phone.
However, I cannot connect to my Windows computer via the browser. (It works with Safari on the iPhone)
I tried the following:

The funny thing is that all connected devices and their IP addresses are usually listed on my HotSpot mobile phone. The laptop with HA OS on it is not displayed.

But it is definitely connected to the network, otherwise I wouldn't be able to connect via my iPhone.

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Any idea what this is about?

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btw I found the IP address when I logged out of the app and wanted to log back in, and it was there automatically. However, I could not use it to log into the app. For this I had to enter homeassistant.local:8123

placid sage
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I solved the issue, by change the settings for ipv4 and ipv6 from disabled to automatically. I dont know what was the problem, but well now it works

daring cypress
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Is there any suggestions as to how I might debug a HassOS install 2023.05.03 that doesnt see any available updates? I am in the beta channel, and at the very least i would expect to see 2023.05.04 as an option... not really sure how to troubleshoot this 🙂

raven forge
grand pivot
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that's not a beta issue, since they're not running a beta build

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troubleshooting always starts the same way - look at the logs

daring cypress
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supervisor or core logs?

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any keywords you would recommend ? I'm not seeing much w/ "update" or "upgrade" except typical slow sensor updates

versed wadi
# raven forge What was the fix?

By default, the optiplex micro desktop storage controller (in the BIOS) was configured for RAID. Flipped the switch to AHCI/SATA and blammo. Loaded up with no problems. Now I'm trying to figure out how to view camera's in real time and review historical video not-in-benny-hill-mode.

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How easy/difficult is it to offload hosted instance to a container or would I be starting from scratch?

raven forge
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You can't exactly import a HAOS backup into a container installation. You can manually extract (mostly extract and copy & paste in the right place) the HA part of course, but the addons you'll have to piece together

grand pivot
fallen stone
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Hey, I’m trying to migrate from a docker installation to a vm. I made a Backup in the docker installation, created a user on the new installation and rolled back the backup. But I’m sitting here for like 45min and nothing happens. The backup is only about 100mb. How long does this usually take?

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just now it finished 😂
thanks again for your help 🙏 smile

acoustic badge
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Hi, I have upgraded HA docker container and restored config directory from backup but when I try to log in into HA again I get redirected to the onboarding page. Any way of recovering my data? The backup was created manually by copying the config directory with HA container stopped.

midnight cloak
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Hi, Power went out, UPS power backup ran out of battery, power is back but I can't access my HA instance. I'm running the latest HA OS in an HA Blue Odroid N2 Plus and HA running on a USB external M2 solid state drive.
Does anyone have a up-to-date link for reinstalling HA on the Odroid?

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I connected a monitor and keyboard to the Odroid and I have an ha> prompt.

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I'll look up restoring from the prompt. Maybe I can just restore the last backup.

fallen lichen
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Sounds more network related than anything. Have you tried the IP that it's displaying on screen both ports 8123 and 4357 in a browser that's on the same network? Can look at core logs as well.

midnight cloak
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My setup has a static IP for the Odroid and the router displays it as connected.
Yes, I tried your suggestion but HA does not respond. I also tried via Tailgate and the HA app. but no-go.

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I'll try the logs once I find out how to get to them via cli. Thanks.

fallen lichen
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find out how to get to them via cli
core logs

midnight cloak
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ok

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errors too far up to view where it starts. Will look up how to save logs or how to scroll them in cli.

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500 server error....Internal server error...temporary failure in name resolution.

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[error 101] Network unreachable ...

sacred sapphire
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It sounds like the device doesn't have a DNS server to resolve URLs against

midnight cloak
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Any suggestions on how to assign the DNS server?

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I vaguely remember changing DNS via a configuration file in the OS file system. I will try that. In any case you gave me a starting point. Now to start troubleshooting. Thanks for the suggestions.

sacred sapphire
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I haven't added any extra to mine.. however, you should be able to add additional entries to /etc/resolve.conf

humble mirage
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HAOS uses the ha command to change the DNS servers - messing with /etc/resolv.conf isn't the right approach

sacred sapphire
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I will return to my corner now...

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Nothing to see here folks!

midnight cloak
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@sacred sapphire thanks

sacred sapphire
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All good

# 
ha dns restart```
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(today I learned something)

midnight cloak
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Sorry, wrong "reply to" recipient.

humble mirage
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That won't make any difference to you accessing HA

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You have tried accessing the IP directly?

midnight cloak
humble mirage
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If you have HA configured for SSL you still need https: there

midnight cloak
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Good point. But I don't have it configured for ssl. I always access it via http and external access via Tailscape.

midnight cloak
final socket
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I don't think this is an issue that calls for reinstallation, I think this is network related.
Have you tried turning everything off and back on again? Starting with your modem and moving "in"? Power outages do funny things sometimes.

humble mirage
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However, I'd check the observer first

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Port 4357

midnight cloak
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Thanks to both. I'll test your suggestions.

midnight cloak
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@sacred sapphire , @final socket , @quaint moss The issue was nothing more than the LAN cat5 cable was slightly pulled out. I started troubleshooting the network first following your insight and suggestions. the observer is a good tool. Thanks to all.

humble mirage
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Wrong Tinkerer, but that's good 😛

frail verge
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How easy will it be to change hardware with HA? I'm planning on upgrading to a rasp-pi 4b 8gb with NVMe SSD from a 3b. Do I need to do a fresh install on the new hardware?

crude inlet
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create a full backup and then restore the backup on the pi4

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you will need to install HAOS to the pi4 first

brittle sail
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It lets you restore from backup during first boot now which is nice

teal axle
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I tried to upgrade to 2023.6 (I skimmed through breaking changes) and now ha wont start. I checked the logs https://pastebin.com/4rsDJghn and it seems there is some error (exit code 1), though I'm not sure where the error is.
The HA observer page says connected, supported, and healthy.
Where do I go from here?

raven forge
teal axle
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Supervisor logs Show 23-06-07 17:29:29 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Home Assistant has crashed! And 23-06-07 17:29:58 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.core] Can't start Home Assistant Core - rebuiling

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ok. I'll look at that.

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makes sense, I was testing something, I thought I erased the file.. 😦
Thanks for that, now I see it in the logs. I didn't know what I'm looking at.

echo zodiac
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2023.6.0 via pip is not available, can you confirm?

raven forge
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You might need a recent version of it/python

teal axle
teal axle
teal axle
raven forge
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Yeah addons run in a separate container. What do you mean too small? How are you remoting in? You can also SSH into the host/VM directly if configured

spring dust
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Hi All, need help installing button-card or any other custom cards

crude inlet
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covers all cards and custom cards

teal axle
raven forge
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I'm sure that's fixable but I don't use that software and not sure how you're virtualizing exactly

spice frigate
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Running baremetal. Anybody have any tips on how to check the mount logs?

raven forge
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dmesg/journalctl. What are you trying to do?

rose quest
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Hi,
How to mount NAS Storage in to Hass with Network storage.
I am stucking at Remote Share Name

velvet thistle
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I'm having issues with the new network storage feature as well, I was able to add my truenas storage as an smb share and it shows up without errors under Storage -> Network Storage. I don't actually see the location visible in my media folder though. No hints in the log that I can find either.

rose quest
celest breach
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I am also not being able to get this working. I have been playing with the share syntax but no luck so far and errors won't help. I have also tried using the ha mounts cli with no luck

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well just found out that credentials were the problem. Even though my shares are public, it seems to be required to pass username/password. Got that working now

placid sage
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Can I get help with Proxmox here, or is there a better spot? I need someone to grok me LOM/bridging on a cisco u220 M3, and making proxmox happy.

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Currently I get no DHCP on any of the 3 chassis interfaces.

humble mirage
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This channel is for help installing HA, not Proxmox. You could try #general-archived or one of the home lab Discords

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Both DigiBlur and DrZzs have more general sections too where you may find people who know Proxmox

placid sage
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Well, the intent is to add HA to proxmox of course.... Thank you!

woeful anchor
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Hi, i bought Conbee 2 Deconz Zigbee Usb Dongle and Ynoa Smart Lamp compatible with zigbee 3.0. But install is not working. It should be compatible right? thanks

humble mirage
woeful anchor
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oh srry thanks

fringe sentinel
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Short question, i noticed that has core 2023 06 has removed edl21 ya l config support as all is done via the Webinterface now

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My version 2023 02 something has full edl21 y'all support

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It was deprecated in between it seems

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Can I directly move from my version to 2023 06 and this one also imports the yaml config automatically or do I need to update to a version in between where it was deprecated?

humble mirage
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I would update to the intermediate one

fringe sentinel
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If I need to upgrade to a version in between, is it possible to give the --upgrade a version to which it should upgrade ?

humble mirage
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Yes

fringe sentinel
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That's not in the doc, how does that work ?

humble mirage
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It's in the docs...

fringe sentinel
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Yes, for the install

humble mirage
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You can use the CLI to upgrade to a specific version

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Try reading the link 😉

fringe sentinel
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I don't have ha os

humble mirage
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What do you have?

fringe sentinel
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Ha core running in a python venv

humble mirage
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Click the relevant one in the top right

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Also in the docs

fringe sentinel
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It is mentioned running a specific version, not upgrading to a specific version

humble mirage
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And ... ?

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If you're on 2023.2.3 and want to run 2023.3.1 is that not an upgrade?

fringe sentinel
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Is install doing exactly the same as --upgrade

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For software you usually have an upgrade way and a fresh install way, often doing different things

humble mirage
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Not here

fringe sentinel
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Ok, that's the info I was missing

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If it is the same, then I will use the install command with th specific version i stead of the --upgrade

humble mirage
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--upgrade just says install the most recent version

fringe sentinel
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Ah ok, thx !

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Might be a good addition to the doc

humble mirage
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There's a link at the bottom of the page to make suggestions

fringe sentinel
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Thx again !

river hawk
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hello everyone

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I have trouble connecting to the home assistant url

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I am using a different device

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while the home assistant is running on another device

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can you pls help me

echo zodiac
echo zodiac
echo zodiac
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2023.6.0 require libz which are not included & mentioned...
if you dont know how to build pip installation please avoid it, thanks

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This package requires Rust >=1.48.0.
piece of shit, bye

brittle sail
edgy walrus
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Hi, I'm trying to upgrade to 2023.6.0 core version (raspberrypi 2 running bulleseye) and hass --script check_config fails updating ha-av to 10.1.0 (apparently due to ffmpeg version) can anyone here help me solving this issue?

copper steppe
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which version of python do you have? paste your exact here (pastebin etc)

edgy walrus
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running python3 -V:
Python 3.11.4

sick thunder
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Quick question. Did a full backup from the UI today and the machine rebooted but HA never came back up. Is there a trick to get it to boot?

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I expected it to just come back but it didnt;

raven forge
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Connect a monitor and keyboard and see what it says

sick thunder
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I don't have a micro hdmi cable

raven forge
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You really should get yourself one. Can you ping/SSH to the machine?

sick thunder
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I just blew it away and reimaged to restore.

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Now its hung on the preparing install step

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Weird

raven forge
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I think you can click the thingy to get a log

sick thunder
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Yeah, tried but it didn’t load anything

sick thunder
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So flashing with balena allowed me to "restore" a backup again.

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But same issue

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Restore never comes back up

edgy walrus
raven forge
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Can you share some information what happens exactly? You say there's an error but didn't share it

abstract void
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where are the home assistant host logs?
/config/home-assistant.log is pointing me there.
2023-06-09 07:49:55.080 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.hassio] Failed to to call /mounts - Mounting backup_synology did not succeed. Check host logs for errors from mount or systemd unit mnt-data-supervisor-mounts-backup_synology.mount for details.

edgy walrus
raven forge
raven forge
abstract void
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Thx Impact

edgy walrus
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My setup is RPI2 running bullseye, home assistant core 2023.5.3. Currently running Python 3.10.9, but I also have 3.11.1 installed

raven forge
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I'm actually not that familiar with troubleshooting python dependency build errors but having that info is useful for others who are

edgy walrus
low notch
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whats your libavutil version?

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SEI_UNREGISTERED available since version 56.54.100 of libavutil (FFmpeg >= 4.4)

edgy walrus
# low notch whats your libavutil version?

ffmpeg -V gives:
libavutil 56. 51.100 / 56. 51.100
libavcodec 58. 91.100 / 58. 91.100
libavformat 58. 45.100 / 58. 45.100
libavdevice 58. 10.100 / 58. 10.100
libavfilter 7. 85.100 / 7. 85.100
libavresample 4. 0. 0 / 4. 0. 0
libswscale 5. 7.100 / 5. 7.100
libswresample 3. 7.100 / 3. 7.100
libpostproc 55. 7.100 / 55. 7.100

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So I guess it's not uptodate - but that's the most recent package in bulleseye

low notch
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might need to build yourself, ffmpeg is often far back in debian

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or change it to testing

edgy walrus
low notch
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depends on the machine i guess

edgy walrus
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it's an old RPI2

low notch
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fun, then testing will be a lot faster

edgy walrus
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what am i looking for? Bulleseye or Bookworm

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Another question, If going the compilation path - what do I need to compile? FFMPEG?

low notch
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you will have a sure way with building ffmpeg, also by just upgrading

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bookworm is the newer I guess so go with that

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you can also just setup docker and use a containerized HA. the time and effort is pretty much the same in this situation

final socket
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Same features too as far as I can tell. Might be easier to just start over with Docker, just make a copy of your HA config folder and use that with the new installation.

abstract void
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Following the steps at https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/operating-system/debugging/
I can't get real SSH access to work.
I've

  • copied the .pub file which I use with the SSH addon to authorized_keys
  • encoded it ANSI
  • removed the CRLF characters
  • formatted the USB stick to NTFS and named it CONFIG
  • placed the authorized_keys on the usb stick
  • put it in my ha server
  • run the ha os import command, which indicates success
  • set my new connection in KiTTy to use port 22222
    yet I still get "server refused your key"
    what am I missing?
cinder marsh
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I had to use the above method, as the documented method didn't work for me either

edgy walrus
humble mirage
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Not at all, the HAOS method uses the same container images

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The Pi2 just has the performance profile of a potato

edgy walrus
humble mirage
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Well, if you want HAOS you follow the HAOS steps

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If you want pure Docker you follow the Container steps

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Just ignore the Supervised column, it's there to trap the unwary

edgy walrus
humble mirage
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Better is a personal thing... if you like locked down appliances then sure, HAOS is "good"

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  1. Not really
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  1. The official Docker docs ...
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I would also point out that HAOS hides the Pi2 image deliberately, at some point it may drop support for it as it did for the Zero/One

edgy walrus
humble mirage
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Yes, and ... why a Pi?

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Why limit yourself to a sub-par platform, with SD cards that fail on you and take all the data with them?

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An old (ish) laptop will also be lower power, and low running cost, while having far better performance and be more reliable

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I ran HA on a 2014 vintage i5 laptop for long enough, did the job well until I bought something newer for all the things I wanted to run

edgy walrus
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ah... I don't have old hardware laying around, and I really thought RPI was the best option for HA.

humble mirage
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If you have a Pi then it's an ok starter platform, but the only Pi setup I'd even suggest would be a Pi4 with an SSD

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Even then, if you're going to spend money on it you can buy a second hand PC for the same

edgy walrus
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I guess that's what I'll do... regarding my current setup? all I need is to backup ~/.homeassistant?

humble mirage
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Yes, including all the hidden files and folders

edgy walrus
#

Thanks! I guess I'll have a bunch of more questions when I'll get the "new" hardware...

teal birch
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On a new installation of HASS on RPI via docker i dont have a backup restore option? Any obvious reason why?

humble mirage
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Only HAOS has support for restoring installs since it's a feature of the Supervisor

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For Container and Core you can just extract the files wherever you need them to be

abstract void
cinder marsh
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No worries 🙂

raven forge
#

Did have to do a physical power off
Kinda curious why that is

abstract void
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One of life's many mysteries... two and a half hours later and I can finally continue looking into the issue I was actually trying to look into.

raven forge
#

A classic hal fixing a light bulb scenario

quaint bolt
raven forge
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About that issue. Try systemctl list-units --failed to list failed units, then check their log with journalctl -u namefromsystemctlhere.
Also try dmesg -kT | grep mount or journalctl -kg mount.

abstract void
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Thanks Impact, that's helpful.
The only failed unit from systemctl is rpcbind.service, any idea if that relates to a failed mount to an SMB share?

dmesg gives me something more useful
[Fri Jun 9 08:48:45 2023] CIFS: No dialect specified on mount. Default has changed to a more secure dialect, SMB2.1 or later (e.g. SMB3.1.1), from CIFS (SMB1). To use the less secure SMB1 dialect to access old servers which do not support SMB3.1.1 (or even SMB3 or SMB2.1) specify vers=1.0 on mount.
[Fri Jun 9 08:48:45 2023] CIFS: Attempting to mount \192.168.68.204\backup
[Fri Jun 9 08:48:45 2023] CIFS: VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -13

My synology NAS supports SMB2 at minimum and SMB3 at maximum. I guess SMB3.1.1 is out, but if I'm reading this error correctly it will already attempt to use SMB3 or SMB2.1 by default?

wispy trail
#

Hello, I have some issues with HA in a container and mDNS. Someone is able to help me about it ? Can I ask here ? Ty.

raven forge
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Just ask, if someone knows they will answer

quaint bolt
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(the fact a site exists for it, well, a lot of people ask to ask. )

raven forge
quaint bolt
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-13 is permission denied I believe

wispy trail
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Hello,

I have an installation of Home Assistant on a Docker container.
I have enabled mDNS+Reflector on my LAN network.

My goal is to be able to ping "something.local" from my other containers (HA, ESPHome, etc.).

Currently I can only ping from my host machine or alternatively from an Ubuntu based container, in "host" network mode, with Avahi installed and volumes "/var/run/dbus" and "/var/run/avahi -daemon/socket" mounted.

I'm looking for a solution to repeat/mirror to my other containers.

I've tried different approaches with Docker images and network types (bridge, host, macvlan)... but I'm not finding any solution.

Thank you in advance for your help.

quaint bolt
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( negative numbers are harder to google for. if you don't quote them, google thinks you're trying to negate it.)

raven forge
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It is for mount but I wasn't sure it it applies to cifs mounts as well because of the - and didn't want to assume.
I actually googled for cifs "-13" error

abstract void
#

As an alternative, I set up NFS on my synology NAS and tried to connect to that.
Sadly I am getting the same error in the UI (using the new functionality with .6 in system - storage )

quaint bolt
#

It's probably either a authentication issue, or it's a protocol version issue.

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Anything in the logs on the nas side?

abstract void
#

not for Samba, checking for NFS

raven forge
#

It becomes apparent that I haven't had a chance yet to play around with the network storage options 😄

abstract void
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also nothing for NFS

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interestingly NFS doesn't show up in dmesg -kT | grep mount or journalctl -kg mount

abstract void
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d'oh.
If I just do "dmesg" without the grep I see it's giving a logon failure.
I needed to put the username without the @rigid finch and use the IP address instead of the hostname.
I tried both, but not in that combination.

raven forge
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You fixed it now but I've already tested and written this so... Worked fine for me and mount | grep cifs shows

//xx.xx.xx.xx/test on /mnt/data/supervisor/mounts/test type cifs (rw,relatime,vers=3.1.1,cache=strict,username=test,uid=0,noforceuid,gid=0,noforcegid,addr=xx.xx.xx.xx,file_mode=0755,dir_mode=0755,soft,nounix,serverino,mapposix,rsize=4194304,wsize=4194304,bsize=1048576,echo_interval=60,actimeo=1,closetimeo=1)

HAOS sometimes has problems resolving local hostnames

abstract void
#

Thanks for the help Impact and Steve

quaint bolt
#

Just tried out the functionality myself. not bad. Though I do want the ability to pick a backup location when backing up, rather than needing to change the default one. (right now I'm not running the nas 24x7, as I have no need to do so. can fire it up with wol and shutdown with a webhook) decent for an initial release 🙂

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(also, can I have the moon on a stick while I'm being unreasonable 😉 )

heavy tundra
#

From my understanding there is no functional difference between running HA in a VM or in a docker.
Am I correct in saying this?
I want to migrate from a VM to a docker and since add ons are just dockers that means I shouldn't have any issues, as long as I put in the extra work, right?

wispy trail
humble mirage
heavy tundra
heavy tundra
heavy tundra
wispy trail
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Yes I know it, but I don't want to resovle container name. I want to resolve hostame outside of my container, like my ESP or Google Cast..

low notch
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why don't you use host network?

wispy trail
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Even why host network I can't resolve mDNS

low notch
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thats the only way

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you will shoot yourself in the foot by using reflectors

wispy trail
#

How I can do that ? I explained in my previous message what I'm able to do

low notch
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network_mode: host

wispy trail
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Yes I did it, my HA container is in host network. But when I log into console and I ping something.local, there is no response

low notch
#

what is something.local ?

wispy trail
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hostname of a device, like an ESP

low notch
#

then you have that esp configured wrong or generic network issues

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but host mode is the only way

wispy trail
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But when I ping from my pc or server who have docker installed it work

low notch
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i have nothing more to add

wispy trail
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Well, no worrie, ty 🙂

low notch
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are you running docker in a vm ?

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and talking about the vm settings?

wispy trail
#

@heavy tundra If you do your install via container, can you tell me if you are able to have mDNS on your container

wispy trail
heavy tundra
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Link me to the repo you are using.

low notch
#

what machine? windows?

wispy trail
#

Linux Ubuntu

low notch
#

docker desktop?

wispy trail
#

No, no GUI interface

wispy trail
low notch
#

then you shouldn't need anything more than host mode and a container

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runs fine for me

wispy trail
#

Where your mDNS is enabled ? On your router ?

low notch
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mdns does not need to be enabled

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it lives in the multicast network

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clients just attach to that

wispy trail
#

But you link your devices by IP ?

low notch
#

no, i use dns which is generally more reliable

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you want mdns for discoveries of services on your network

wispy trail
quaint bolt
low notch
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but that has nothing to do with dns

wispy trail
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Yes i know, i only talk about mdns

low notch
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don't use mdns to resolve ips, use dns

rigid bolt
#

Hi,
I recently set up my HASSIO using a VM.
It was running fine for a few days, but when I tried to set up remote access with DuckDNS it did not restart when I had to restart after installing duckDNS and adding the ssl to the configuration.yaml.

The web UI just gives me the following:
This page isn’t working
homeassistant.local didn’t send any data.
ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE

humble mirage
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Are you using https:// to access HA now?

rigid bolt
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no, still http

Port forwarding is also not yet set up on my router. I wanted to confirm the IP for hassio to set up port forwarding which is where I am stuck now

humble mirage
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If you added the ssl lines and restarted then you ahve to use https to access HA

rigid bolt
#

even though port forwarding is not set up?

humble mirage
#

Yes

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Port forwarding is completely irrelevant to the fact that you've configured SSL in HA

wispy trail
rigid bolt
#

Well now I feel stupid, thanks!

quaint bolt
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ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE tends to mean that you tried accessing an https site using http. http://google.com:443/ as an example 🙂

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one of those things which, when you know, it's obvious. when you don't, it's a really dumb error message

queen arch
#

So.. my HA instance crashed hard...
I managed to get out one of the partial backups of the core a few weeks old.
I've now reinstalled HAOS and I'm trying to restore to this backup, but it's not working through the UI restore.

Is it possible to just unpack the .tar file and get the content of it, it contains the db, and all my yaml and config file for most addons,
and just drop this into the storage folder?

Any pointers would be super helpful 🙏

fiery forge
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Is there a way to manually cancel the update of core from 6.0 to 6.1? It seems to be hung.

frank perch
#

Thats my current situation

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But my internet is IPoAC

grand pivot
#

I thought it was IP over Carrier Pigeon

frank perch
#

Avarian Carrier

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Did you not see RFC1149

crude inlet
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@queen arch You can restore /config that way but not the add-on data. Though if it is a partial backup does it even contain the add-on data?

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You can drill down into the archive to see what it contains

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@fiery forge sure you can reboot host and cross your fingers. That cancels anything going on

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It's also possible to partially restore, so you could try only restoring HA

queen arch
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I managed to make the fresh install pick up the "old" db. 🎉
Dropped the entire config folder including .storage back in and almost everything came back.

#

just a few snags here and there it looks like, due to changes, but i think i can work those out

placid sage
#

Hi everyone im having some troubles with my SWAG reverse proxy,
Swag works 99% of the time but sometimes it spits out random ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED. I cant find anything weird in the logs.

royal robin
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HI all - in the process of moving my install from RPi4 to a generic x86 box. Initially this will be HAOS to HAOS. I have the new box installed (2023.6.1) and a paired down restore, which has a handful of add-ons and the core HA config, but not too much actual data (about 27MB tarball). I've uploaded it to the new box, but when I try to restore, the HA UI goes to "Connection lost" and, checking the supervisor logs, I can see that it's starting the restore, and the next line is "stopping homeassistant application" but it proceeds no further. Any suggestions as to where to look next?

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ha core status reports "Container homeassistant is not running" (which makes sense as it was stopped)

royal robin
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Well, never did solve this. It was the base HA config restore that was killing it, so I used the restore to put all of the add-ons back, and then manually restored the main HA config from the tarball.

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Reckon there's a latent bug, or something I don't know about there, but anyway. Sorted now.

vapid sinew
#

I bought a Deta Smart Double light switch. Can HA utilise these if there is another physical switch?

placid sage
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does anyone know a good guid to use for installing home assistant on docker with supervisor?

raven forge
vapid sinew
cinder marsh
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lol

winged bramble
#

Anyone got an idea how to make use of the network share to store backups ?
I get the message that it is not supported by the OS. I'm using Supervised on Debian.
I looked at adding my NAS storage as a volume, but attempting to deploy the container it is failing...
It does not look like a capability that should be added on the container...
So I'm still looking at how to make it work. Any help would be appreciated

placid sage
#

Hey guys,

I'm having an issue with my Home Assistant and I hope you can help me out. So, here's the situation: I have Home Assistant running on my old laptop with HA OS. On the display, everything looks normal, and in the router, I can see that the laptop is connected and has been assigned an IP address.

The problem is that I can no longer access Home Assistant, neither through the browser nor the app. I've tried all sorts of inputs, but nothing seems to work. This happened after I created an automation for turning off the lights after a certain time. After restarting Home Assistant, it became unreachable.

I installed the advanced SSH add on, and I set a password and started it, there was nothing necessary with a key or anything. How can I connect to it? I tied in the windows cmd: ssh 192.168.49.109 -p 22 and ssh {username}@hassio.local -p 22 (for username I used the name with what I logged in in the App)
Is that the right way? Anyways I couldnt connect.

for more context: I only have wifi at home, I have a mobile cellular router. For the installation, I went to my brother's so that I could connect the laptop to ethernet. and took my router with me. Once installed, I was able to connect to my wifi through the app. When I got back home, however, I could only connect to the Windows computer via the browser after I turned off IPv4 and IPv6.

Thanks in advance for your help!

cinder marsh
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if that is indeed the correct IP address

placid sage
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@cinder marsh same result. My Browser tells me, not avaiable.

cinder marsh
#

can you ping the IP address from the command line?

placid sage
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sorry english is not my main language and i'm quite new in the field. Do you mean I should write 192.168.49.109:8123 in cmd

cinder marsh
#

you should write: ping 192.168.49.109

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in the windows command prompt

placid sage
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it tells me 100% loss

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Ping stats for 192.168.49.109:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4
(100% loss),

cinder marsh
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mobile cellular router hmmmmmm, there might be a setting on that router that stops clients communicating with each other

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and you may or may not be able to change it

placid sage
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but before Yesterday it worked

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Its an old Smartphone that I use only for Hotspot. There arent a lot of settings

cinder marsh
#

and to get a bit more background, when you say you are running HAOS on the laptop, do you mean natively? or through some other method?

#

what IP address does the windows PC have? type ipconfig in the command prompt

placid sage
#

Yes I installed the HomeAssistant OS to the Laptops drive via the Ubuntu Live option in the tutorial. I didnt use docker or something

cinder marsh
#

that's good

placid sage
#

*192.168.44.87

cinder marsh
#

is that set statically or does it get the IP address from DHCP from the phone's hotspot?

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usually they would be on the same subnet ie. 192.168.49.x or 192.168.44.x

placid sage
#

If I look at the network settings, it says: IP assignment: DHCP automatically

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Ah ok I need to correct myself. Yesterday the HA Ip was xxx.xxx.49.xxx today it is 43. As all my other devices

cinder marsh
placid sage
#

Yeah I tried, its same result. Not available

#

My thought was that I could still connect to the shh add-on, otherwise I'd have to do a reset. Unfortunately I didn't download a backup

cinder marsh
#

you might try using the ha network command in the HAOS console to figure out what is going on

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if you can't even ping the device HAOS is running on, you won't be able to ssh

placid sage
#

I typed ha network into the terminal, but I only get general information like this: "The network command provides command-line tools for control" ... and so on

#

I tried ha network info,
now Im getting a lot of information

#

Oh again I need to correct something. I tried to ping the adress with the xxx.49.xxx Now I tried with 43 and it works

#

It tells me, 0% losses

cinder marsh
#

ok, so now you should be able to ssh to that address

#

if you remember the username and password you set in the configuration

placid sage
#

could you tell me what I should type in the command? Is it one of this: 192.168.43.109 -p 22 or ssh {username}@hassio.local -p 22

cinder marsh
#

ssh username@192.168.43.109

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22 is the default ssh port so you shouldn't need to specify it

placid sage
#

hm it asks me to write the password, and then after few times: "Permission denied (publickey,password)."

cinder marsh
#

yeah because the password is incorrect

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try no password, but I'm not sure it will let you do that

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or the username is incorrect

placid sage
#

but it was the correct password, Im sure. What is the publickey,password?

cinder marsh
#

it means it failed on both public key and password

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you don't need to use public key with that addon, ignore it

placid sage
#

ok

#

what do u meant by try no password? just put enter?

cinder marsh
#

yes, with the correct username

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that you set in the sshd add-on configuration

placid sage
#

I didnt change the username. So it should be the one I also loged in with in the app

cinder marsh
#

no, I think the default username for that add-on is hassio

placid sage
#

yes it works after 10 trys

#

sorry for that :/ Im way to stupid that

cinder marsh
#

happy days

placid sage
#

Thank you so much
but what should I do now, I see the same temrinal that I see on the laptop running HA

#

?

cinder marsh
#

yeah I'm not sure either, I thought you had a plan once you got ssh access but you've actually got better access through the laptop screen shell

placid sage
#

haha lol shit 😄 Im sorry. I just heard you should to that if ure not able to acess Home Assistant

#

Yeah I will have a research later, and maybe I just install it again I dont know

cinder marsh
#

you could maybe try accessing it through the browser again if you can ping it. maybe try https://192.168.43.109:8123 if you previously enabled ssl

#

well, you can ping it and ssh to it so it's on the network and reachable..

placid sage
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I did evreything again. I opend the command on windows. Wrote ping 192.168.....
the ssh hassio@...... and then tried to acess with the browser with: https://192.168.43.109:8123/. Thats what you mean?

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But it didnt worked

#

I think I try to go to my brothers flat and plug ethernet in the Laptop. Maybe it works

cinder marsh
#

it's strange that you are able to reach it but not the web interface, there should be some ha commands you can run to check the status

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though you might even try just rebooting the laptop with the command: ha host restart

placid sage
raven forge
summer nacelle
summer nacelle
quaint bolt
placid sage
placid sage
#

Okay guys I could solve the problem I found some commands to list and restore backups, and there was a backup I could restore. I lost some stuff, but it works now. Thank you so much I was about to reinstall the whole os ❤️

rare junco
#

Morning all, I made a full backup yesterday which I'm trying to restore to. Does it give you any updates on the restore process? I'm running a VM on my Synology NAS and when I connect to the VM it doesn't show any information related to the restore. After I clicked restore on the frontend it just says "Connection lost. Reconnecting…"

thorny valve
#

Hi all, I’m new here and tried finding the answer but I couldn’t… I’m running a HomeBridge on a Raspberry Pi4 loading directly from the SSD. I have Docker installed and was wondering if I would be able to install/run Home Assistant on the same Pi by installing it in Docker and have HB and HA both running. Would appreciate any support!

raven forge
rare junco
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It's 11:47 so I guess it's still going

raven forge
#

I guess you could also check docker ps, docker stats, top for resource usage but likely.
I don't remember what it says when it's finished restoring but it'll likely pull images and start the containers

glacial zenith
#

now that bookworm is official, what are the plans to support it? I'm looking to upgrade my debian install as I've got a new intel nuc that doesn't have very good driver support with the 5.x kernel

glacial zenith
low notch
#

dont install supervised

#

either haos or container if you want docker

#

if you don't want docker you're left with pyenv

glacial zenith
low notch
#

because nobody sane would use a system that can break at any moment

crude inlet
#

So is HAOS. Docker isn't the point

low notch
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just because you are running it or some dude on youtube says its fine - its not

glacial zenith
#

I suppose my experience with supervised has been flawless and runs very well on a rpi4; with the convenience of being able to spin up addons without issue

#

why do you claim it's unstable or doesn't work?

low notch
#

I don't claim that

#

its the user failing to follow the requirements of a supervised setup

#

which is >90% of cases landing here asking for support

#

so advising supervised is a bad idea

crude inlet
#

It's a copy of the HAOS ecosystem but where you manage the OS and all dependencies. So if you're not paying attention to the project things go wrong.

#

It works until it doesnt

glacial zenith
#

a vanilla supervised install, and adding HB via apt is trivial. maintaining packages, equally trivial. I'm not sure what a HAOS setup does that's otherwise different from a supervised install aside from a cronjob that updates packages every so often. Surely spinning up a docker config file is more convoluted (and every addon that you're interested in after that) than running a supervised install that allows you to manage the entire HA ecosystem via the addon / HACS repos via a web ui.

low notch
#

you've clearly not read the requirements of the install method you're running

glacial zenith
#

Anyways, my two cents, HA supervised for the added benefit of addons, and HB via APT. Has been rock solid for 2 years now

thorny valve
sonic wharf
#

In the end I changed the label of the partition /dev/sda8 from hassos-data-backup to hassos-data using the e2label command, rebooted, and Home-Assistant was back in business. I assume an update failed or was interrupted part way through and left the label set incorrect.

low notch
#

What do you need homebridge for anyways? Just use HA and scrypted for the camera stuff

gilded pewter
#

Hi can i use the qcow image for kvm debian? I get booting from hard disk.... for a long time

gilded pewter
#

Got it working. Try and error with the docs

flint crypt
#

Hi, I have a problem installing HA on HA Yellow.
I have a USB flash stick with HA OS.
No internet aside from mobile hotspot.
HA Yellow have a board with wifi.
I stick USB into the port and power it up, but it just infinitely blinks 2 times orange and 1 time green.
I don't know how to get logs or anything, and just guessing it never finishes installation because there is no internet over ethernet or because something has gone wrong.

Any ideas on how to fix the situation?

fallen lichen
#

I'd imagine as with all HA OS installs you need network connectivity to pull images, and since there's no interactive way to connect to Wifi prior to the initial install, you're out of luck unless you connect it via Ethernet. In general, it's not a good idea to use wireless for HA. #yellow-archived might also have more specific info for that device.

flint crypt
#

Is there a way to serve internet from laptop that connected to wifihotspot maybe?

cinder marsh
#

if you can get a console, then maybe you can use the command 'ha network' to establish a wireless connection but you might not even make it to the command prompt I'm not sure sorry

runic venture
#

Hey dude! Me again, been a few weeks! I finally got the thing down from the shelf and plugged in, and have run login and docker logs hassio_dns and got a huge vomit of outputs. When you have a few moments, can you let me know what I should be looking for here?

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Don't stress much about replying right away! Just when you can!

#

I am also wondering about doing the proxmox idea while it's down... Not sure about it but, heck, if it lets me use this NUC as more than just a HA box... Maybe media centre and similar? Then I'm somewhat keen.

#

I don't really want to go through the trouble of setting everything up AGAIN, but, in the lead up to now, my HA instance has started to get worse and worse, so I'm wondering if it might be a sign.

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Oh, and also - in startup I got an error - something timed out. I think it was a 'wait for something initialisation - 1m30' but just as I saw it it shot off screen and I don't know how to find that again to give you better info. Might be a bit of a sign?

thorny valve
low notch
#

homebridge people are crazy

vital nymph
#

Hey, I'm also interested in a helm chart for HA, have you had any luck ?

north escarp
#

please help me find what I am doing wrong. long time ha user but not a great at the nitty gritty. Tried to update wouldnt work, wouldn't allow a back up to be made etc. figured well just start from scratch.
odriod n2+ (HA blue EMMC) re flashed the EMMC using the little usb dongle tool that the EMMC attaches to. Plugged her all back in. Get stuck on the prepareing home asssistant this may take up to 20 mintues page. 1st attempt I let is go for 3 hours. reflashed again 3 hours no progress. follwed the steps AGAIN, left over 12 hours over night still stuck on prepareing home assistant page!
Also grabbed old RPI 3B+ tried that 2 times got no further, used a different sd card, no dice also stuck on preparing home assisant page.
I can find the RPI3B+ and Odriod on my network, I can pull them up via ip addy:8123, BOTH hang on Preparing home assitant.
Thoughts?

grand pivot
#

Did you click the blue dot?

north escarp
#

What Blue dot? I think this must be a network issue on my end somehow. Cureently also trying to set up a vitrual box instance on my laptop, stuck at the SAME spot. so 3 ways: vitual box, odriod, and rpi. ALL 3 stuck at home assiant preparing screen.

grand pivot
#

the one on the "preparing home assistant" screen

#

and yes, it's undoubtedly some network issue

north escarp
#

There isn't a dot to check. the blue dot puslates

grand pivot
#

that one

#

click it

north escarp
#

you want top or bottom?

grand pivot
#

just read through it

#

what does it look like is wrong?

north escarp
#

preschool.... that stuff is BEYOND my abilty

grand pivot
#

reading?

#

does it look like it's failing?

#

they're just words

north escarp
#

ordriod blocked frome xcustion system unhealthy is the most recent

#

virtual is trying to download docker

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Pi is sitting in time out beacuse I considered throwing it

plush quartz
#

help please. on the process of installing HA on debian, I get temporary failure resolving deb.debian.org when I do sudo apt update

frank perch
#

That's internet/dns related

plush quartz
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now in the CLI it's not working anymore

frank perch
plush quartz
low notch
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you need to fix your dns issues

plush quartz
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I did the installation again, and this time I selected ftp.de.debian.org and again, during the installation is works fine, but once I'm in the CLI it doesn't work

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how do I fix it?

low notch
#

check resolv.conf

plush quartz
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it's set to nameserver 192.168.1.2 which is my Unbound DNS server on my Raspberry Pi

low notch
#

which apparently doesn't talk nicely with your debian host

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change it to 1.1.1.1

plush quartz
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ok

#

I have two enteries there, duplicate

#

ok I did sudo systemctl restart networking after updating the file and still the same issue

low notch
#

why did you do that?

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what is your ultimate goal?

plush quartz
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installing HA

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but I need to update packages first

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this is a minimal debian install

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using debian 12, I had no issues. but Bullseye seems to be misbehaving with updating packages

low notch
#

check your resolv.conf

plush quartz
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I thought that maybe it's a wifi driver issue, but again, during install it found my wifi SSID and connected to it, so drivers should be installed

low notch
#

wifi is bad for servers

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supervised is bad for homeassistant production installs

plush quartz
low notch
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then ping some random domain

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if you can't ping then curlsomething

plush quartz
low notch
#

you have

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a container install

plush quartz
#

curl and ping require net-tools which I cannot install

low notch
#

congratulations, you are probably missing some base packages

#

anyways, supervised is definitely not for you if you struggle with that

plush quartz
#

I can't install using containers because it doesn't download packages

low notch
#

then supervised is way out of reach

plush quartz
#

how come during install it downloads packages then?

frank perch
#

Don't install from minimal perhaps

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I only use minimal on rpis

plush quartz
#

but again, with Debian 12, it worked flawlessly, but HA is not supported on that version

frank perch
#

Yeah but it's an Alienware

plush quartz
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so something with bulseye

swift rivet
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just tried to update for the first time in months after being away from home for a while. trying to go from 2022.12.8 to 2023.6.1, docker install. ended up with the following error:

2023-06-11 02:18:37 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.loader] Unable to resolve dependencies for hacs:  we are unable to resolve (sub)dependency repairs
[02:18:38] INFO: Home Assistant Core finish process exit code 1
[02:18:38] INFO: Home Assistant Core service shutdown
s6-rc: info: service legacy-services: stopping
[02:18:38] INFO: Home Assistant Core finish process exit code 256
[02:18:38] INFO: Home Assistant Core finish process received signal 15
s6-rc: info: service legacy-services successfully stopped
s6-rc: info: service legacy-cont-init: stopping
s6-rc: info: service legacy-cont-init successfully stopped
s6-rc: info: service fix-attrs: stopping
s6-rc: info: service fix-attrs successfully stopped
s6-rc: info: service s6rc-oneshot-runner: stopping
s6-rc: info: service s6rc-oneshot-runner successfully stopped
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can't seem to get past this. had to roll back to 2022.12.8 for now just to get my install working again. any ideas?

low notch
plush quartz
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I think the supervised mode is not supported with debian 12 because the error I got during HA installation was that Debian 12 is not supported, but I hope it is supported with the containers method

final socket
#

Why do you want to run supervised? If you need the convenience of add-ons, run HAOS in a VM. If you don't, just use Docker.

plush quartz
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I have it running now in docker

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but I can't find how to restore my configuration now

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I don't have the AddOns menu

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and no way to access my backup

languid quest
plush quartz
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nope

grand pivot
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if you're using a container install, you won't have addons

plush quartz
#

oh great

grand pivot
#

it doesn't really matter

plush quartz
#

ha is such a pain...

grand pivot
#

ok

plush quartz
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to get it running I mean 🙂

#

HA Core doesn't have addons as well... so how do I get addons?

pastel sphinx
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@plush quartz I use HOAS for the full HA experience with no limits

final socket
pastel sphinx
grand pivot
lean dust
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Thanks

swift rivet
#

i finally got the upgrade to start but now i'm stuck at the db migration with tons of mysql errors in the logs

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always the same error it seems, "Unknown column 'events.context_id_bin' in 'field list'"

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it does look like there's still stuff running on the db though

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this shows up in the processlist

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UPDATE statistics_short_term set start_ts=IF(start is NULL or UNIX_TIMESTAMP(start) is NULL,0,UNIX_TIMESTAMP(start) ), created_ts=UNIX_TIMESTAMP(created), last_reset_ts=UNIX_TIMESTAMP(last_reset) where start_ts is NULL LIMIT 100000 |

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can anyone help with this?

frank perch
#

Help with waiting?

swift rivet
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i was more asking how long it was supposed to take, as it had been 2+ hours. seems like it has finally finished now though

frank perch
#

YMMV

swift rivet
#

now it's doing the upgrade again? i just updated a few things in HACS and restarted the container, and now i have the database upgrade message showing again...

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and it seems to be stuck on "Waiting for table metadata lock"

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and now it seems to be done again

#

is that normal?

raven forge
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It should prevent you from restarting during an upgrade. How did you restart the container?

runic venture
timid sentinel
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when using the VM image, do we need to forward any other ports than 8123 to the guest?

grand pivot
#

You should use bridged networking. It gets its own IP address

vivid solar
#

Hi 🙏🏽

timid sentinel
# grand pivot You should use bridged networking. It gets its own IP address

right, im a bit confused what you mean. Networking is certainly not my forte, and im far from a virtualisation expert 😆 but im a bit confused. have a bridge set up, but I was under the impression that unless I assign a spare physical adapter to said bridge, i will still need to forward from the host to the guest?

say right now, I got a bridge setup, that assigns each guest its own ip (default libvirt config) and can reach the LAN from the guests, but, other machines on the LAN can only reach the host, not the guests, ,so currently, to allow other machines access i had to forward port 8123 from the host, to the guest.

fiery iron
#

I have my home assistant running on an ubuntu pc, but while the VirtualBox virtualmachine keeps running every day or two tha site becomes unavailable. Maybe there is a common fix?

frank perch
#

Bridged will give guests the same ip range as the host got from the network and you don't need to forward ports

#

You don't assign a 'spare physical adapter' it bridges the one you already have

frank perch
timid sentinel
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(it basically says, to make sure to not use your primary. but it soundsl like thats fake news then 😄 )

#

but, ok, the takeaway, i need to create a new bridge, and assign the network adapter to said bridge. I'll try and read up on it, never done this before

frank perch
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Those instructions say to not add your primary to the first example because it explicitly says its NAT. A true bridge is different.

timid sentinel
frank perch
#

That has several ways to skin the cat, pick one

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But yes

alpine rover
#

I'm using winscp to copy my config folder from my old HAOS to my new HA in docker container on Ubuntu server. I'm only getting permissions denied error. Can somebody help with this

final socket
alpine rover
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So it's permissions I don't understand. For testing I made a txt file in windows and trying to copy to a folder I made outside the container. Now my understanding is since I made both the file on windows and the folder on my server I should have all permissions?

solemn beacon
#

Hey, I have a question about some hardware & running HomeAssistant - would this be a good channel to ask that in? I’m new to HomeAssistant so I apologize if I’m a bit clueless.

final socket
frank perch
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you might not have SFTP enabled in the SSH addon

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that could be a reason too

alpine rover
#

ok, this is good. You probably understand I'm a newbie, so how do I check if SFTP is enabled?

frank perch
#

in your SSH addon configuration

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look to see what the SFTP: line says

final socket
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If you're going to run a Linux server you're going to want to learn how file/folder permissions work.
on the Ubuntu server you're going to want to make sure whatever user you're accessing the files as has the permissions to write to the container directory.

#

So you're able to connect to your Ubuntu machine from winscp using SFTP or whatever? It just denies you the permission to upload the files?

alpine rover
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Yes, thats correct

#

I'm able to connect to my server

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But not upload files

lean dust
#

I am not sure if this is the right channel. I am going to get a odroid and run HA on it, but I would like to run some other things on there including self hosting BitWarden. What is the best way to do this?

final socket
# alpine rover But not upload files

Ok. On your Ubuntu machine, you have to give your SFTP user the permissions to write to whatever directory you're trying to upload to. sudo setfacl -R -m u:SFTPusername:rw /folder

alpine rover
#

Thanks!! I will play a little bit with that

final socket
frank perch
#

sftp: false isn't there then?

alpine rover
#

My test folder is in my home directory. Will the path then be "/pi/home/test" or is this correct ~/test

final socket
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/home/pi/test and ~/test are equivalent, the second one is just less keystrokes

alpine rover
alpine rover
alpine rover
alpine rover
final socket
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Sudo apt install acl and try it again, or I guess you could just use sudo chmod -R 774 /folder

frank perch
alpine rover
# final socket `Sudo apt install acl` and try it again, or I guess you could just use `sudo chm...

I tried sudo chmod -R 774 /home/pi/test, but I still get permission error. I also installed acl, but that gave the same error. Only thing is when installing acl I was prompted to restart some services and I left it default with only one service restarting (the top one) sorry for don't remembering the names of the services. When trying to open remote folder test from winscp it returns: Server returned empty listing for directory '/home/pi/test'.

lean dust
final socket
final socket
lean dust
#

Scrypted is an add-on I imagine?

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Oh I just have to installed it Supervised and not Core Python virtual environment, got it.

alpine rover
fallen lichen
lean dust
#

that chart says container has no add-on support...

#

is Scrypted an add-on?

final socket
fallen lichen
#

That's correct. It is an addon, but it's also a standalone app

#

Addons are typically wrappers around existing software you can spin up through other means

lean dust
#

So I have to run Scrypted manually in its own docker instance? and then send that to HA then to HomeKit?

final socket
#

That's what the add-ons service does.

north escarp
#

anyone avaliable to help me with my internet settings? I belive my settings are blocking my odriod n2+ from being able to finish set up

lean dust
#

but the site you linked said add-ons dont work in containers

fallen lichen
crude inlet
north escarp
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error on home assitant instaltation retry in 30 seconds...

north escarp
lean dust
#

I see, so if I run HomeAssistant in a docker instance, I have to also run Scrypted separately and send that to HomeAssistant then onto HomeKit.

north escarp
#

downloading the docker image and python seems to be where it sticks in a loop

crude inlet
#

Scrypted, or any other service you may find a normal image/container for

lean dust
#

Got it

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I just realized I can send Scrypted directly to HOmeKit, don't need to go through HA 🙂

#

Thank you sir

north escarp
lean dust
#

how much space does HomeAssistant need? is 10GB sufficient?

grand pivot
#

32GB is recommended

north escarp
#

is there anyway to dowland ALL the files needed so I can bypass all this GET errors I am having?

placid sage
#

hey all, i'm working on securing my docker HA instance and I'm having trouble getting it to work without being privileged. here's my docker config:

  home-assistant:
    container_name: home-assistant
    hostname: home-assistant
    image: "ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable"
    volumes:
      - /mnt/md0/streaming/data/config/home-assistant:/config
      - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro
    devices:
      - "/dev/ttyUSB0:/zwave-stick"
      - "/dev/ttyUSB1:/zigbee-stick"
    restart: unless-stopped
    network_mode: host

supposedly, this is all i need to provide HA access to my zigbee/zwave stick. but zigbee devices are not working unless i add privileged: true (they display an error: "This entity is no longer being provided by the zha integration. If the entity is no longer in use, delete it in settings.")

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fixed it

#

i had the devices mapped, but never updated the serial path in HA to /zigbee-stick

grand pivot
#

You should use /dev/serial/by-id/... or you'll have a bad time in the future

placid sage
#

i'm definitely down to switch, what issues will it prevent?

grand pivot
#

The OS will randomly choose the ttyUSB node depending on what it sees first

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They will switch back and forth

placid sage
#

ah okay, so i can still map it go /zigbee-stick within the container, but change the host path to the /dev/serial/by-id path

grand pivot
#

yes

placid sage
#

awesome. done, thx

waxen flume
#

Have updated my Tasmota MQTT message format,.. which now means HA does not recognise new message structure,.. how can I delete or get HA to refresh connection and message structure,.. Thankyou

humble mirage
#

Use the Tasmota integration?

waxen flume
#

but that only updates the tasmota device,... AFAIK,.. its HA that has not caught up with the changes... unless I'm missing something..

humble mirage
#

You should be using the Tasmota integration with those devices, not MQTT Discovery

frank perch
waxen flume
#

so why can I not just delete the device,.. and then rescan for it,.. and pick up the updated MQTT message format?? getting perplexed..

low tulip
#

How would I go about updating hap-python if I’m running home assistant os? Do I need to log in physically (running on a pi), or can I do it remotely from inside my network?

spiral kiln
nova depot
#

Hi, I'm new to HA and wanted to start transitioning from OH to HA.
For this I installed the hass.io image and started to install integrations from HACS. Unfortunately, I already encounter the first problem here, that many of the integrations want to use Python to be able to install them.
Unfortunately I can't use Python with the hass.io image (pip not found / python3 not found), although HA is programmed in Python?

So I tried to install HA on Raspberry Pi OS with the official instructions and fail miserably here.

If I install everything according to the instructions (which are incorrect) and manage to start hass (this also happens rather randomly), I am immediately informed that Python3.9 is no longer supported and I should update to 3.10.

If I then update Python, I am still nagged that 3.9 is no longer supported.

Does anyone here have a working guide on how to install HA on a Raspberry Pi OS and get it running cleanly?

fallen lichen
#

Otherwise, container is on that same page if you'd prefer Docker

fallen lichen
# runic venture Hey dude! Me again, been a few weeks! I finally got the thing down from the shel...

Hey, for the output there, just errors in particular, if the thing doesn't have internet access, you could snap a picture of the logs and share that as well. I believe we trying to track down if there was some issue w/ the DNS container making it to the outside world.

If you were to consider Proxmox, you could still backup/restore HA, so all you'd really be setting up is the actual VM for HA and then passing through any devices to the VM and then proceeding w/ a restore which will get you back to where you were.

nova depot
fallen lichen
#

Do you really want to install Home Assistant Core?

#

You'd save headaches of maintaining python if you just used Container

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The latest release is running on Python 3.11, as well (3.10 to be removed in August)

runic venture
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It's a stock standard 4G router used to give new devices basic internet before going onto domains or whatever, so it's literally just - router. 192.168.1.1, ethernet, blah blah. I can't think of why it would work back there but NOT when I come home...

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Oh, and I also had some false starts - I had something about an error at 'startup', but a restart seemed to fix that.

fallen lichen
#

I think in general it's been issues w/ DNS servers provided by ISPs, so I think that's pretty reasonable to show that your hardware and setup is fine and the issue lies within your network connectivity at home

runic venture
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I can just feel the groans as I approach this with a more front-facing tech support mindset... "why would you restart it and lose the logs when you could have just run 'wop4tiun'vap49u3n'e9ga[0r9e'???"

runic venture
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Router DNS?

fallen lichen
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I'd try just having it hand out 8.8.8.8 and see how it goes

runic venture
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Because sincerely f- those and i've been meaning to change them

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Let me see if they're still set to something nonstandard

#

Yeah I like 1.1.1.1 and 8.8.8.8 as prim/sec

#

Ah. Nope, unless I'm in the wrong place, the two above are set in my router

#

I can't imagine Cloudflare being too something to not work with HA, but - I can try swapping them

fallen lichen
#

There's usually 2 spots for DNS.... one is what it hands out over DHCP the other is what it uses

#

and if it's handing itself out over DHCP... maybe for fun have it just hand out the external servers directly

runic venture
#

Have I ever mentioned how much I hate finding stuff in this router?

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Okay, found it at last - both are 1.1.1.1/8.8.8.8

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It is also the same subnet as the router at work, 192.168.1.x

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Although that said, I'm not sure if it's the same pool... I think it is

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Do you happen to know why 255.255.255.0 (which I did not change) might now be invalid, by the way? I'm clicking away and it's going Invalid Subnet Mask. Please input another one. as if I changed something

fallen lichen
#

If all you had changed was DNS servers, I'm not sure why that would've caused that to appear

runic venture
#

I am confucious.

frank perch
runic venture
#

"A man who stands on a toilet all day can only be high on shit" ~Sun Tzu, the Art of War

placid sage
#

Hola muy buenas
Soy angel martin soy elctricista y estoy interesado por home assistant y lo estoy probando. Demomento compre equipos de sonoff lo malo que los videotutoriañes son de una version del año pasao y yo intele la ultime la 2023.5 creo el problema es que no soy capaz de instalar el complemento de sonoff.

Agradeceria que alguien me ayudara para poder segir

frank perch
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Nunca veas videos, todos son demasiado viejos

#

Ademas, la mayoria de la gente solo habla ingles aqui, por lo que seria mucho mas facil si puedes traducir

#

Flasheaste el sonoff con tasmota?

placid sage
#

Hello good Morning
I'm angel martin I'm an electrician and I'm interested in home assistant and I'm trying it. At the moment I bought sonoff equipment. The bad thing is that the video tutorials are from a version from last year and I got the latest version 2023.5. I think the problem is that I am not able to install the sonoff add-on.

I would appreciate if someone could help me to continue. I'm using a translator I apologize

frank perch
#

You're trying to get ewelink working and not tasmota right?

marble ravine
#

Hello. Im Jacques, and trying to start on HA. I live on a 2 story house, would I need to have 2 skyconnects/RPi with HA?

grand pivot
#

Skyconnect is used to support Zigbee and Thread (future) devices, so you should start with what sort of devices you plan to integrate

#

but no, you do not need 2 of them in any case

crude inlet
#

If you choose and implement router devices like bulbs and outlets you can extend range

marble ravine
#

ok, I wasnt aware of that (yeah, im that new to HA)

crude inlet
#

It's good to plan ahead, get those in place, then add sensors and other battery powered zigbee devices last

grand pivot
#

the formula is 1 HA server + 1 coordinator (of which Skyconnect is an example) + many Zigbee devices to form the mesh

marble ravine
#

so, at the moment, I have an incredible amount of 2 savvy (aint smart yet) lights on the closet, bought on Ikea. I was reading about the Ikea environment (because I forgot the correct word for it) and was considering the Dirigera Hub. And then, reading on, I begun to wonder if SkyConnect would act as the hub instead of Dirigera.

crude inlet
#

I don't have a huge zigbee network, but here in the zha visualization page the ovals are routers (some are ikea bulbs), the circles are end point devices (battery powered sensors). The rectangle is the controller.

marble ravine
#

How Pollock of you 😉

crude inlet
#

I'm zoomed out and the details aren't showing up there

marble ravine
#

so, skyconnect would be a controller, as well as the dirigera, and lamps/bulbs work as routers

#

that expand the mesh network

crude inlet
#

yeah

#

though some bulbs do not, like some sengled brand bulbs.

marble ravine
#

in that case I can just say no to the Dirigera... ok, that is money I can put towards SkyConnect

#

right now I have the tradfri with 3 lamps Oversidan (the ones that go inside the closet) and they attach to a " 9 port hub-controller" tradfri that looks like a little brick, for 30w

ebon cairn
#

hi! im new here, i hope this is the place where i can find somebody who can help me set up duckdns on a NUC with docker-compose, using swag

slender adder
#

I run HA on a VM (Oracle VM Virtualbox). All works well for many years. I get the message in HA: Available space is less than 1GB! I checked the docs. I already limited the data saved in the database but after a few years , it seems I have to extend. Any idea how to achieve this in Virtualbox?

fallen lichen
raven forge
slender adder
#

Thanks @fallen lichen and @raven forge, I did it that way and expand from 32 Gb to 64 Gb. Restarted HA but it still gives 93 % of storage used...

raven forge
#

Maybe you can type login in the VM's ha > prompt and then df -h to get more information

slender adder
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Sorry, seems I modified the wrong VM

#

45,9 % used. Thanks guys!!!

vital nymph
#

is anyone here running homeassistant in kubernetes ?

copper steppe
#

For a single container, it's roughly the same as running in docker

#

that's how truenas etc manage their apps

neon chasm
#

hello hello, I've just gone and got a case for my RPi 4, which allows me to hook up a M2 SSD easily, with the intention of running HA on it

#

if possible, I'd like to also run kodi on it, as a service I just turn on when I'm using it, and then shut off again when not (obviously)

humble mirage
#

If there's a Kodi #add-ons-archived then you can... it's likely a bad idea, but you can

neon chasm
#

just wondering if the best way to do that is simply start with RPi OS and then go straight through the sudo-apt installs, or does anyone have any pointers for me, or does and don't

#

why'd you consider it a bad idea?

humble mirage
#

Well, I'd assumed you were going down the add-on route

#

If you're not and just going with native Docker then you can do it more easily

neon chasm
#

yeah

#

when installed, kodi is basically just an app "mediacenter" that can be started, and stopped easy as

#

I kinda plan to just go through the installs and fight with whatever's fighting with me... unless ye chase me out of here with pitchforks! 😄

low notch
#

i think there are installers out there for libreelec

#

far from supported though

#

what you can do is use the docker addon in libreelec and setup a container install

neon chasm
#

yep, that's about what I'm thinking of, just wanted to throw a sentence or two out here, just in case it was a totally crazy thought

#

is there any particular flavours of RPi OS, or another linux install that's best for HA? or just go default, default? - for a Raspberry Pi 4

humble mirage
#

Well, there's only one flavour of the Pi OS itself 😛

neon chasm
#

I'll never, ever fully believe what's written in the docs before chatting to some nerds first! 99% of the time there's something hidden somewhere else that you only know if you have a few chats 😄 😄

wicked magnet
#

gonna go with Generic x86-64

plain quest
#

Hi, is there a bug with HAOS for Odroid N2? I flash my eMMC as instructed and I get stuck on "starting kernel"

placid sage
#

Smartthings installation error 500 internal Server, Server got itself in trouble, how to fix?

humble mirage
#

Are you setting up the SmartThings integration, or something else?

humble mirage
placid sage
#

configuring Smart Things, and then adding devices

humble mirage
#

SmartThings itself, or the SmartThings integration?

#

Nobody here can help with SmartThings itself, but the #integrations-archived channel can help with Home Assistant's SmartThings integration

plain quest
neon chasm
#

quite frustrating experience with the raspberry pi installation btw, via the sudo apt install section of the docs, it installs all things python, but that's python 3.9.x... then says install homeassistant==2023.6.1, but that requires python 3.10.x...

raven forge
#

Well there's a Prerequisites note

neon chasm
#

that probably should be put at the install dependencies step, rather than at the start of the whole thing

#

this is the install all the things step
sudo apt-get install -y python3 python3-dev python3-venv python3-pip bluez libffi-dev libssl-dev libjpeg-dev zlib1g-dev autoconf build-essential libopenjp2-7 libtiff5 libturbojpeg0-dev tzdata ffmpeg liblapack3 liblapack-dev libatlas-base-dev

#

having that there, but saying you should have python 3.10 installed already is slightly redundant and misleading

raven forge
#

Maybe pyenv can be of use here. Docker is usually less hassle

neon chasm
#

I don't think pyenv will help, there's just no 3.10.x version easily available for raspios

sacred snow
#

Ok so I installed HA on truenas scale... but how do I access the web interface? I'm awful at networking stuff?

frank perch
tired granite
#

hello guys

#

help needed with jsnsr04t

#

the readings are not accurate

humble mirage
humble scaffoldBOT
#

@slim timber I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
humble mirage
#

It sounds like maybe you didn't create a Python venv for HA

#

However, is there a reason you didn't use Docker (or Podman)?

slim timber
humble mirage
#

Third party packages

slim timber
#

and the "fixing" method was rm -r /var/lib/hass/deps/lib

#

and it was recerating that on its own

humble mirage
#

Best thing to do is to raise an issue with the Arch package

slim timber
#

probably, yes, however...

#

i've tried downgrading

humble mirage
slim timber
#

and it does exact same thing now meaning something else has changed

humble mirage
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See the link... carefully linked from the Arch package page 😉

slim timber
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oh carp. i was googling for these yesterday

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i wasnt able to find it

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well, derp, thanks 😉

humble mirage
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I just followed the links...

slim timber
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Actually, it seems to be caused by new python-3.11.3-2. Downgrading back to python-3.11.3-1 makes hass start up properly...

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there

humble mirage
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Aye

slim timber
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ok, well

humble mirage
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The answer is Docker/Podman

slim timber
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i hate docker 😉 its a personal thing

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spent best years of my life managing docker crap

humble mirage
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The Podman 😛

slim timber
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same shit

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😄

humble mirage
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Or ... just move to pyenv and manage the environment yourself

slim timber
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i'll migrate to haos eventually, once i install proxmox on my home server

humble mirage
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You do know that HAOS uses Docker 😛

slim timber
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but i won't look at it

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i'll treat it as an appliance

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anyways, thanks. it was late night yesterday when i was screaming at it internally so i guess thats why i couldnt find the answer

humble mirage
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A second pair of eyes is often all it takes

slim timber
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it's working now

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managing its lib thing with the venv

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sweet

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thanks!

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i wonder why did google didnt return this to me yesterday. i guess google really goes to sh^t

humble mirage
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Google doesn't index everything... sometimes it requires you to simply click the link for known issues yourself 😛

slim timber
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its time to retire anyways

thorn dove
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Hey Im having a weird issues where netatmo devices are not showing up in logbook, they are in history and fire automation, but in logbook there is only 1 device from netatmo out of 58 (7 devices 58 entities), I dont have any exclusion for netatmo entities and i dont do inclusions for recorder or logbook settings, I'm confused why they are not in the logbook while other devices(check a lot of them) are there.... (when I try to type devices in entity its not showing up) Anyone seen anything like this ? Or can point me in the right direction where to ask ?

humble mirage
thorn dove
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its not specificly integration related i dont think, but Ill try to post there as well

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its more of a logbook issue i would think

humble mirage
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Well, logbook is also an integration

thorn dove
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LOL true

placid sage
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Hey guys, I installed HA for the first time and am being greeted with a login screen. My understanding is I should be greeted with a screen to setup my account.

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Installed using this

raven forge
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Whether the hostname works depends on your networking setup/hardware/configuration but you can try the .local address

frank perch
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should work if mDNS works

placid sage
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Nope, didnt connect

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still getting a login screen on the ip though

placid sage
frank perch
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Well if you can't get to the onboarding screen I'd say reinstall

placid sage
placid sage
frank perch
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supervised supports debian only

keen bramble
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is there an easy way to install an old version of home assistant on proxmox? My z-wave thermostat quit updating a couple of weeks ago, and I'm currently trying to diagnose, because two things happened at nearly the same time, I updated HA, and I factory reset the thermostat. It's kind of working, the Z-wave integration can see it, and I can send commands from HA, like changing the set temperature or the HVAC mode, but the "current temperature" shown in HA doesn't update correctly anymore. I tried a full reinstall of HA, thinking that maybe the factory reset had caused duplicate entities or something weird, but the brand new install is showing the exact same symptoms, so I need to try a fresh clean reinstall, but of an older version back when I know it was working.

copper steppe
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old version of core, or haos?

keen bramble
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ideally the whole thing, so I guess that would be haos

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I only have a few devices and simple automations so I don't mind wiping and starting from scratch

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I just need to diagnose this because it has rendered pretty much everything useless

copper steppe
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start with core; from the HAOS prompt you should be able to do (ha) os upgrade --version x.x.x

keen bramble
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will that also roll back the z-wave integration changes that were included with the recent update?

copper steppe
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haos and ha-core are fairly independent

keen bramble
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I've already attempted a roll-back using backups, as well as a full clean reinstall, which installed the latest version

copper steppe
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do core upgrade --version 2023.6.0 or whatever you want to go back to

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did you restore your system/config as part of the reinstall?

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or clean/empty

keen bramble
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I nuked the VM

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no restore

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just went through the setup again

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exact same symptoms

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messages from HA to my thermostat all work perfectly, then HA just seems to never receive anything back

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the current temperature never changes, it always shows idle even when the thermostat is not idle, any changes I make on the thermostat itself never show up in HA

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worked fine for 6 months, it just started happening one day

copper steppe
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is HA polling the thermostat? or using mqtt etc?
is this a core integration, or an external/hacs one?

keen bramble
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it's z-wave.js

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I do see it polling in the logs, and I did see a temperature change message in there as well

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but HA never did anything with it

copper steppe
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are you looking to the sensors via the integration, rather than coming at them from History? Maybe they changed names?

keen bramble
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I thought the same thing about changed names, which is why I did a full clean reinstall

copper steppe
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check the issue queue, see if others have similar issues?

keen bramble
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I'm trying to do my due diligence first with the version rollback to see if I can get it working again that way.

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if the older version still doesn't work, then HA isn't the problem

copper steppe
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can you correlate the breakage with a core, or OS, update?

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I suppose you deleted all your data now 🙂

keen bramble
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yes, but I also did some rewiring that same day that took the thermostat offline and I had to reset it in order to get it to reconnect, so I can't say for sure if it was the reset or the update

copper steppe
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Sounds like some kind of pairing/pin problem?

keen bramble
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it's connected just fine now, HA->thermostat communication works fine

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it's just the thermostat->HA communication that isn't working

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looks like the core downgrade succeeded, now to wait and see if the symptoms persist

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if nothing else, I may try another clean wipe/reinstall, and run the downgrade before installing the z-wave integration or connecting any of the devices

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for now I have to wait for the temperature in the house to change, because it's set to only report temperature after a 1 degree change

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I have a feeling it's still not working though, because I just changed the set temp using the thermostat touchpad, and HA didn't show the new set point

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Yeah, no change. Fans are running, HA still reports idle.

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oh cool, turning on logs somehow managed to crash the dashboard 😂

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at this point, I'm veering off of installation questions though, I'll move to a different channel

copper steppe
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good luck 🙂

copper steppe
keen bramble
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I'm aware. Hence the original question of how to install an older version...

regal linden
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So is there really no bare-metal x86/x64 installer for Home Assistant OS? This seems bizarre?

humble mirage
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Why? You just flash the image to your boot device

regal linden
# humble mirage Why? You just flash the image to your boot device

I think anyone who's installing to a bare metal x84/x64 device will have their boot device installed inside the machine. Are we meant to remove the device and connect it to another machine? Or do we have to download a second OS (ubuntu), flash that to a USB drive, boot from that then download the HAOS image and install it from there? It just seems like an insane amount of effort, particularly for less technical people.

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Home Assistant goes to so much trouble in so many other ways to make everything work so beautifully for less technical people. It just seems crazy to make onboarding so difficult.

humble mirage
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HAOS came out of support for the Pi, where this approach is trivial

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It's not hard on non-Pi, with the ability to boot from live images... and honestly if people can't get that working they're going to have major pain with the rest of HA

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Not saying it couldn't be better, but I have zero input or involvement in those kinds of decisions... and honestly don't care shrug

quaint bolt
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My personal feeling is: installing onto bare metal x64 is a mistake. Doing it virtualized is almost always the way to go.

humble mirage
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Or don't use HAOS 😛

quaint bolt
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😛

granite lagoon
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@humble mirage @placid sage Advice please: Quick question: if I install HA with docker on a device which is running HA in virtual environment, will the new installation over-write the config files of the existing system? Thank you

final socket
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No.

humble mirage
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No need to tag @granite lagoon - just ask the question and people can answer

manic bane
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But if you don't make that decision

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Then nothing will be overwritten

granite lagoon
manic bane
# granite lagoon Meaning that over-writting is a specific parameter to put in the docker command?...

If your virtual env is storing files in /home/popsyann/homeassistant then you tell docker to store files in /home/popsyann/homeassistant then you will encounter the same issues as pointing two programs at the same directory in that you may have corruption or overwriting

If you just want to replace virt env with docker, make a backup of your config folder, stop virt env, start docker pointing at your old config location, start, will work fine

granite lagoon
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Thank you!

sweet berry
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Hello, I am trying to move a configuration from Docker HA core to a HA core under Python. However whenI overwrite the config folder I get a bunch of errors and it doesn't work

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which folder, files should I discard, please?

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NVM it was just an issue of ownershit of the files

earnest river
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Hey hey, I updated to core 2023.6.2 and my HA is not loading. logs aresaying that all plugins are causing issues. and i cannot seem to downgrade. i ghett the error that it cannot downgrade when jobs are running. stopping the core does not change anything either.
can i get help to downgrade so i can get back up and running please?

placid sage
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What container image link do yall recommend for docker?

humble mirage
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The one in the official HA docs

gusty cedar
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Hey there, I have an old Acer Aspire 5742 laptop. Unsure of the specs, but I beleive it's intel i5 with 4GB ram. I'm currently running HA OS on a RPi3B with several addons that I'd like to keep. So I would want to run HA OS on the laptop, but not a VM on Windows because I feel like that'll have extra bulk.
I'm not too computer savvy, but I'm good at googling if I know where to start. Does anyone know if this is possible?

raven forge
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It might not support UEFI booting but other than that I don't see why not. If the former is the case I'd install proxmox on it and virtualize HAOS. You'll lose about 1.1G of your RAM to proxmox.

gusty cedar
raven forge
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I can't really recommend one but google probably has some. Depends how cheap you can get one. We usually recommend (U)SFF PCs here as they can be had for very cheap, are relatively reliable and easy to work with. It will probably work without a battery as well

copper steppe
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check the specs of your old laptop, but it's likely to be way better than a rpi

frank perch
copper steppe
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Slight exageration 🙂

frank perch
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shrugs

copper steppe
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1996 was 200Mhz Pentiums. Trust me, I was there (and working).

frank perch
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I'd take a real machine over an Rpi any day for HA, and I've ran HA on an rpi since like 0.66 release

copper steppe
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Yeah, I ran ha on rpi3 for ages, but recently switched to SFF pcs. Soooooo much better.

frank perch
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I know just what hardware I had in 1996, a 266Mhz pentium

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lol

copper steppe
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I was working on a flight simulator around 96, we had dual-CPU 200Mhz Pentium Pro, overclocked to 233Mhz.

frank perch
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I also had a server that was only 233

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I have some slot ones knocking about

hexed mirage
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ha on rpi4 runs perfectly fine. If ypu have 8gb version, then no machine can compare it's power efficiency. You can also run bunch of containers alongside without going over 7w

copper steppe
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With a $5000 (in 1996 dollars) lockheed-margin graphics card.

frank perch
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and a few server in the attic that are barely 486

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I was a voodoo adopter early

copper steppe
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I threw out everything older than 15 years recently. One of my rpi runs my octoprint and I think my son stole my other one...

frank perch
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all my friends were jealous of my PCI graphics card when they were still on ISA

copper steppe
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This was before there was voodo 3dfx etc. It was in the age of matrox milliniums or something like that

frank perch
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yeah matrox 4mb I think

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I never had my own PC till late

copper steppe
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I remember my first real PC, was a 386dx33 with 4MB of ram (which cost an extra $1000) and a 120MB hard drive.

frank perch
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all my brothers are engineers and they hogged the PCs in the house till they moved out

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my first pc had a 40mb hard drive which I still have

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I have a shipping crate of old hard drives from my old systems

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lol

copper steppe
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I was on c64 until I got an inheritence near the end of high school, so bought a 386

frank perch
acoustic thistle
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@copper steppe @frank perch
If you still have old games (cds, floppies, etc) and a nostalgic side like me, check out PCEm. Unlike Dosbox, qemu, etc., it emulates specific hardware, like i386, i486, pentium cpus and boards, specific audio cards (awe32, gus, SB16, and so on), and various video cards. All customizable. Mix and match.

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Now, moving on, before I get in trouble too.

acoustic thistle
ebon garden
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I've had Home Assistant running on my Nuc for a few months now, as HOAS, but I think it would be best to run it through a container so I could use the NUC for other tasks aswell. Is it possible to transfer my Home Assistant data/config over to a new installation on a container?

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Or would it be better to converto a VM running on the NUC?

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I basically want it so Home Assistant is running on my NUC while I can run other scripts aswell

hidden ice
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I am having some issues install HA OS on my Pi 3b+ and I saw somewhere that it could possibly be fixed by using the 32bit version, but I simply can't find it. The issue is that when I upload the newest version of HA OS it won't find the ethernet. I am new to this system.

low notch
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you can probably go both ways, a vm will always reserve the ressources

ebon garden
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why can a container installation not have addons? isn't this quite problematic

low notch
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because haos manages the addons (just a bunch of containers)

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and with a container installation you can run the origin source from these containers yourself

ebon garden
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rn i use cloudflared for home assistant

low notch
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yes, you can run that totally without addon

ebon garden
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okay, its just i want to be able to run seperate scripts, like a service that logs energy use to a database, alongside home assistant without having to use other devices such as a desktop

low notch
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then a container install is for you

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but as said, you have to manage and install the add(itional) software yourself

ebon garden
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does HACS and stuff work the same

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also, is it hard to install addons like cloudflared or studio code?

low notch
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it is not hard, hacs has custom integrations not addons