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trail stone
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are there any ESP32/8266 boards that have a stronger WLAN than the D1 Mini?

fringe crater
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you can get some with external antenna, don't know how much better or worse that works than the one on the integrated board

gentle fossil
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or just get one with ethernet

cold moon
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the external antenna are absolutely worth it but ethernet hats or built in like the olimex PoE are good options too

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depends what the use case is and how important latency is for the project

high cobalt
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are there 3 gang light switches with no neutral that act like a zigbee repeater ?

winged knoll
trail stone
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How are these external antennas called?

cold moon
trail stone
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thx

vast raptor
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Hi, I'm looking for a file to 3d print a case/box for a Esp Muse Proto https://raspiaudio.com/produit/muse-proto
(Which works with the new amazing MusicAssistant ...currently available as a HACS beta)
Any help gratefully received!

tacit burrow
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aren't there a bunch of decent thing-searching places? why ask here?

rich venture
vast raptor
cold moon
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he's saying it's not really relevant for this channel specifically, we have a #diy-archived one but it's best to search online for one-off things like that

vast raptor
tacit burrow
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How are we going to be any better at searching, than you bro? Surely the board is a standardish size? Can you find one that's close, and stretch it a little?

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my rpi is taped to the side of my printer, with an old cd-sleeve in the middle for insulation, heheh

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and it's literally taped to... a 3d printer! 🙂

vast raptor
tacit burrow
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If we had, we'd upload it to thingiverse etc 🙂

vast raptor
tacit burrow
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😘

vast raptor
tacit pilot
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I bought a shelly blu button 1 to use as a location tracker based on signal strength like ibeacon or something and I think I fucked up

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I don't think it does that at all

zealous dune
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What was wrong with buying an actual beacon?

quartz sun
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Hey - have problems with aqara motion sensors (they don't always trigger). Anyone reccomend any more reliable ones?

gentle fossil
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The hue ones are premium but are worth it

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Have them since >7 years and only changed battery once a year ago or so

tacit pilot
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And they supported BTHome so I just figured they'd have it all? I dunno 😐

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Yeah, signal strength didn't update at all last night. Only does when you press the button

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Ugh

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Can anyone recommend any other small BT devices like this for distance tracking?

peak swan
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Is there a curated list of HA compatible devices? Today I'm looking for a wifi humidity measuring device to monitor a closed room. (I'm interested in ZigBee, but not for my first device far from my server where the antenna would be. Right now I'm looking for reliability first.)

tacit pilot
peak swan
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That works for me, thank you! :⁠-⁠)

tacit pilot
tacit pilot
peak swan
gray ember
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Hi all,

I'm quite new to HA and after doing some digging, I decided that I'll go for Orange Pi platform and utilize my existing Zigbee 3.0 dongle.

I do have some confusion about which board to buy.

The 5 comes with an M.2 Nvme expansion slot which allows to install HAOS on a faster storage drive, however, that board doesn't come with Wifi and BT capabilities - and if I want to add them, I'll have to use the M.2 expansion slot for that.

The 5b comes with Wifi+BT but it doesn't have the M.2 expansion slot, so I can't connect Nvme SSD drive.

So I'm not too sure what to do, as I want the Bluetooth capabilities to add smart devices / BLE devices to HA.

Any suggestions? or maybe you can recommend on a Wifi+BT USB dongle that is known to work with linux?

primal geyser
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Recommendations for a cheap 30-80 watt amp that can be volume-controlled by HA? Plugging into zone2 line-level outputs for a bathroom speaker.

unreal sedge
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Hi everyone, I have an idea but i don’t know how to search the right device, I wanna get the state of a dumb switch (like a wall switch), to turn on a smart light, this to keep the same behavior of my family, but don’t interfence with automation of the smart light

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The idea is only get the on/off state of my old switch in home assistant

gusty sequoia
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I don't know of devices that read the state of a dumb switch (it's possible they exist, I just don't know of them), but what you describe sounds like using a smart switch in "smart bulb" mode (where it just operates as a button but keeps the power always connected)

tawny viper
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Put a sonoff behind the dumb switch?

devout parrot
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Probably the Shelly since you can flash Tasmota over the air instead of having to crack it open and wire onto the GPIO pins. Both those options do require a neutral wire be present in your junction box.

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They both offer a "detached switch" mode, where the switch and relay operate independently.

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If you don't have a neutral wire or you just want to use dumb bulbs, the Sonoff ZBMINI-L2 has been pretty good in my experience. No detached relay option, flipping the switch always toggles the relay, and the relay can also be toggled and automated from within HA.

meager gale
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@gray ember The orange pi 5 doesn't have a HAOS build so you would be forced to run container or supervised. The one to get if you are set on that board, is the orange pi 5b which includes wifi+bt and onboard emmc storage so no need for an SSD

golden thorn
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Does it have to be a SBC? I'd recomend to buy a cheap second hand (U)SFF machine and virtualize on it.
eMMC might die sooner than a SSD. HA can write a lot of data to the db

meager gale
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yeah but how much sooner, I've been running on emmc for around a year. removable emmc would be even better for that reason which some boards have

golden thorn
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Not sure. I view eMMC as inferior, slow, opaque and not much more reliable than SD cards but I'm both biased and ignorant on the topic of eMMC.
Unless you know the specific chip that's on it it's probably not easy to tell any way. Take it as a question instead of a statement 🙂

gray ember
# meager gale <@141719550600151041> The orange pi 5 doesn't have a HAOS build so you would be ...

Thank you for your reply. I heard from many that the emmc is not that great for HAOS and that is why the Pi 5 with m.2 nvme ssd is more rubst, again, based on what I read in a blog post and reddit.

Adding to that compatibility issue, seems it's doable: https://jamesachambers.com/migrate-home-assistant-to-orange-pi-5/
Using a live ubuntu USB stick to boot and then use Belena etcher to flash HAOS on the SSD of the Pi 5.
also: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/orange-pi-5-with-home-assistant/498585/9?u=gil80
and: https://youtu.be/cBqV4QWj0lE

However, I would be happy using NUC and the likes of it, but I can't find a decent spec one in 2nd hand listings

meager gale
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@gray ember be aware, that guide is not going to get you HAOS. It will get you a supervised installation of HA

gray ember
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oh.. what's the difference? p.s. - is this statement also true to the youtube guide?

meager gale
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not sure about the youtube guide, but I'm not aware of any HAOS build for orange pi 5 at this time

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you can run HAOS on a NUC no worries

gray ember
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I have an Alienware M11x from 2011 but though I flashed HAOS on its SSD using Belena etcher via Ubuntu live, it doesn't boot. In my BIOS I don't have any option for disabling/enabling secure boot, nor do I have a choice for UEFI mode. So I'm out of luck utilizing that laptop and NUCs are not available really

meager gale
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in theory you could do the exact same thing with that laptop as you would be doing with the orange pi 5b, run home assistant supervised on it over debian

gray ember
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I mean, if I install debian on my laptop, then does the supervised approach overwrites it so the laptop would boot from it?

meager gale
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no, you flash the SSD with debian and then install home assistant on top of that

gray ember
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oh but that will take up resources

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I am trying to get it to boot in HA

meager gale
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then the only way is HAOS

gray ember
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yeah, which doesn't work on this shitty laptop

meager gale
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which won't work on your laptop without UEFI, or on orangepi 5b

gray ember
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it doesn't boot

meager gale
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you could try a minimal CLI only build of debian (or a debian based OS such as armbian) with HA supervised or docker installation

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supervised will still launch HA on boot

gray ember
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armbian works on x86?

meager gale
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sorry no

drifting grove
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Anyone have suggestions on a wall mount for a surface 2?? I've tried several random ones from amazon, and none fit well.

rough parrot
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Is there general concenus on which smart plug with energy monitoring is best on for HA? I like tuya compatible and haven't toyed with ESPhome.

gray ember
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where can I get Debian 11? Their site keeps directing me to 12

devout parrot
primal wyvern
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Hi there. As I almost giving up on my try to run HAOS on an OrangePi5 I’m now considering a Beelink S12 as my Server. Would it be enough to run the HA-VM on two cores?

golden thorn
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Sure, I'd buy a cheap used (U)SFF PC though

gray ember
primal wyvern
golden thorn
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Ultra small form factor

primal wyvern
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Ok, I was just wondering if two cores are enough.

golden thorn
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For just HA it's enough. Some addons can take a bit CPU time

devout parrot
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Two cores is plenty, I ran HA for quite a while on a Core 2 Duo (my venerable Thinkpad R500) with 0 issues. When I first started, I was running it on an old Atom netbook I had laying around and it was mostly fine then running just HA.

bitter shale
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@primal wyvern I run a HAOS VM on Proxmox and it's assigned 2 vCPUs. CPU Utilization is about 10% of those 2 CPUs.

atomic marsh
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@gloomy spoke my problem is passive power consumption, elecetricity is really expensive here and the cost adds up

gloomy spoke
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ok

atomic marsh
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I don't need the power, and using an old pc means I'll pay back the savings in a couple of years

bitter shale
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@atomic marsh I have a mini-PC that pulls 8-10w steady state with HAOS and a number of other VMs on it.

atomic marsh
bitter shale
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I have three I've used: Beelink Mini S12 Pro (Intel 12th Gen N100)
Beelink SEi12 Pro (Intel 12th Gen Core i5-1240P)
Beelink SEi12 (Intel 12th Gen Core i5-1235U)

atomic marsh
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this is tempting$

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$131 for 8gb and 256

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what's the consumption on that one?

bitter shale
atomic marsh
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I'm willing to pay cause if I'm keeping it for 3-5 years, if I save 5w that's 30-50 usd off the bill

bitter shale
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The Intel 12th gen CPUs are astonishingly power efficient at low CPU utilization

atomic marsh
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I have like 30 minutes to make a decision cause I'm bidding on ebay lol

unreal sedge
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Thank you @gusty sequoia, @tawny viper, and @devout parrot. I'll search for the device that you mentioned. I'm thinking of using a door sensor and modifying it to achieve the desired behavior, or finding something that constantly sends the ON state and cuts the battery circuit with the switch.

P.S.: I don't have a problem with adding a neutral wire to the circuit.

atomic marsh
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@bitter shaledid you get the wifi/bluetooth working on the s12 pro

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i'm seeing talk off no support for the ax101

bitter shale
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@atomic marsh I have no use for wifi/BT. I pulled that card and put in a coral TPU

atomic marsh
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hmm...

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I was hoping to reduce the cost of a separate bluetooth chip i'd have to get with the n2+

raw scaffold
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Can you recommend some hardware other than the raspberry pi that can run home assistant, and be powered via ethernet?

tawny viper
tawny viper
rich venture
raw scaffold
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I don’t want to add a power strip to my smc and have no more outlets.

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A dell r430 cannot be powered via Poe…can it?

bitter shale
raw scaffold
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Thanks a lot

graceful phoenix
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Is this the place to ask for accesory reccomendations?

gloomy spoke
graceful phoenix
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the Eve Motion blinds have intrigued me again. I lookd inside what I currently have though and I don't think they'd work for me. Any other options out there that are pofficially HomeKit certified and not crap?

raw scaffold
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Lutron shades. But they are more expensive

fast viper
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Greetings all. Has anyone been able to intergrate the Anran Q3 with HA yet. Solar wireless PTZ camera. I have been noticing a theme with battery/solar cameras where they are lacking web servers on the devices so it is very hard to pull into HA. If anyone is running a full Solar Wi-Fi camera setup with HA, I’d be keen to understand more. Thanks.

drifting grove
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I am looking for someone who can help me, because I will have my new house soon and I want it to be a little connected. So I explored what is available on the market and Home Assistance caught my eye. However, I would like to buy a Raspberry server and have a wall screen from which I could control everything: turn on the lights, open my gate, activate my alarm, view my surveillance cameras, etc. Also, I'm looking for a screen that has an RJ45 connection, so that I don't have any exposed cables.
am I also looking for the best camera to install, does anyone have an idea?

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am I looking for the best box to control my switches while keeping my switches at home

drifting ember
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If you're going the raspberry pi route maybe a raspberry pi touch screen and holder?

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I'm sure someone will suggest something much better tho

winged knoll
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Well, I wouldn't run HA on the same computer with the touchscreen, unless that's an 8 GB Pi4 with an SSD... ||when I still wouldn't||

zealous dune
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what if its an actual computer 😄

devout parrot
# drifting grove I am looking for someone who can help me, because I will have my new house soon ...

Ok so if you want to be a little future proof and have the option to run more stuff if you want to, go for something like a NUC or mini PC rather than a Pi. You'll thank yourself later.
There are tons of wall mounted tablet projects people have done and there are dashboard solutions for what you want to do if you Google around a little bit for inspiration, you'll just need an android tablet and whatever additional hardware, which in your case sounds like it might be a POE to USB power adapter and whatever kind of mounting solution you want to buy or DIY.

devout parrot
# zealous dune what if its an actual computer 😄

I'm moving all my stuff to my FB marketplace Inspiron AIO, I'm going to wall mount it on the opposite side of the house from my router and run Supervised for no reason whatsoever, and then I'm going to be in here every day without attempting any research or troubleshooting when stuff breaks and my server runs bad over WiFi.

modest ibex
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Hey all. I'm looking for some suggestions for a Dimmer for my Smart lights. I rent so I can't do any rewiring etc. so I've been looking at the Sengled Smart Light switches. (as I can just stick those on the wall with adhesive if I understand). Does anyone have any experience with these? Are they worth it? Is there better alternatives? I'm looking to put a smart dimmer in each of my major three rooms. (Living room, Kitchen, and bedroom)

outer knotBOT
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Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
tacit pilot
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I think google tv remotes have like a vibration sensor in them. I was doing some testing and I noticed when I simply picked up the remote, Google TV reported a new BT connection.

drifting grove
uncut badger
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Almost any of them are better than a pi. Old and new. In general, doing them with a virtualization platform like proxmox also gives you other benefits. just make sure to have enough ram in them. (main benefit: the ability to take snaphots, to 'back up' your HA before you update it. (snapshots are not backups. do not depend on them. but they're handy for quick rollbacks.) )

raw scaffold
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Woah!!! There is a poe splitter!

uncut badger
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Just be careful on power draw. 100 watts is around the max, but it's not the common standard. that's more like 30. (POE+ is 30. Hi-POE is 100)

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(and not all poe injectors are created equal. or splitters)

graceful phoenix
raw scaffold
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No

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I think your options may be limited for HomeKit native

raw scaffold
uncut badger
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which looks to be 24 watt 🙂 Well withing the capabilities of poe+. Do you have a switch or would you be using an injector?

raw scaffold
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I have a switch. It’s the Ubiquiti 24 port switch lite.

uncut badger
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non-poe?

raw scaffold
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No it’s Poe.

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Wait hold on

drifting ember
raw scaffold
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Lite 16 Poe.

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My mistake not 24

drifting ember
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I remember when 15W was high power lol

uncut badger
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🙂

drifting ember
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I'm old tho

uncut badger
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Have anything else pulling power on it? As it's only 45 watt total

raw scaffold
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Just 1 ap.

uncut badger
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(And in my next trick, I'll show my grandmother how to suck eggs 😉 )

raw scaffold
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The rest of my network is on the ui dream machine

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Phew.

drifting ember
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🤪

uncut badger
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Looks like you should be fine with that 45 watts then 🙂

raw scaffold
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Also I thought odroid n2 is like…6W

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Where did you get 24 from?

uncut badger
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the powersupply you get with it. 12 volts, 2 amps

raw scaffold
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Oh

uncut badger
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yes, I think about worst cases 😉

raw scaffold
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I wonder how they go from 6 to 24…

uncut badger
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ahh

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There's details on the page which confirm your 6

raw scaffold
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The Odroid-N2+ has a power consumption range of 1.6 to 6.2 watts, depending on the workload, which is relatively low for a quite powerful SBC.

uncut badger
raw scaffold
uncut badger
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also the dimensions of the barrel jack

peak mural
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Hey y’all! I ordered this M93 per recommendation from someone on the HomeAssistant Subreddit, but the seller accidentally sent me this M900. It’s a 500GB HDD instead of a 112GB SDD, but otherwise, it seems like a better machine. Would I be able to just get an SSD to install and still use or should I just exchange it?

https://imgur.com/a/xha6xuV

rich venture
peak mural
# rich venture yea just swap the hdd with ssd

Okay. The seller is willing to ship me the SSD and let me keep it, which sounded sweet because it looked better, but I don’t know much about SSDs, whether or not the M900 supported it, and if it was actually a better machine or not.

rich venture
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and then use hdd for backups

peak mural
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My plan is to install JUST HOAS, but everything about the M900 seems better, (twice the RAM, better processor, etc.) I tested HAOS on a Raspberry Pi 3 and loved it, but obviously that old dog isn’t powerful enough or sustainable long term, so I’m excited to get this up & running on a better machine. 😄

rich venture
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i mean you can run proxmox and then hass os in a vm

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and on other vm you can run other home server duties (pihole, plex, fileshare, vpn)

peak mural
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I don’t know anything about ProxMox, but I’m pretty good at figuring tech out. Does that run in windows or is it an independent OS?

acoustic ice
peak mural
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I’ll still want an SSD, correct? I shouldn’t be running any of these on the current HDD?

acoustic ice
# peak mural I’ll still want an SSD, correct? I shouldn’t be running any of these on the curr...

SSDs offer faster performance, increased reliability, lower power consumption, and silent operation. HDDs provide larger storage capacities at a more affordable price. The choice between SSD and HDD depends on your specific needs and budget. Many users opt for a combination of both, using an SSD for the operating system and frequently accessed files, while using an HDD for mass storage of larger files.

peak mural
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500GB isn’t much for storage, and would ProxMox allow HAOS to access the other drive if I get it running on a SSD?

acoustic ice
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Yes. For many users, a storage capacity of 500GB is more than sufficient.

peak mural
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It would be great for HomeAssistant, but movies & media would fill it quick, so I’ll likely just get the SSD and install HAOS then. 🙂 You have been incredibly helpful already!

rich venture
raw scaffold
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I am not sure if this is the right channel. I am planning on running HA on Odroid N2+ with Scrypted for Ubiquiti cameras. I have 3 G4 Pros and 1 G4 Pro Doorbell. Will it be able to handle that or do I need something beefier like a macmini?

novel carbon
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Does anyone here use Lutron Caseta switches with HA? Trying to find a workaround to their weird API that allows me to detect clicks/double clicks

lilac abyss
crimson needle
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I'm a complete newb at this home automation stuff. A co-worker highly recommended Home Assistant. I just want to get started with a few light switches that can turn on at dusk and turn off either after a few hours, or at dawn. Can anyone give me a couple of recommendations on which smart switches I should take a look at that will be compatible with HA? Maybe a good, better, & best recommendation if you're feeling generous? Thanks.

raw scaffold
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you will want Lutron switches they work with all smart home platforms

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and try to tailor your smart home platform to your mobile platform

novel carbon
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I'd hold off on lutron switches. They've got a bunch of really annoying constraints I've yet to overcome

lilac abyss
crimson needle
raw scaffold
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If you said iphone I would have recommended HomeKit/Apple

devout parrot
raw scaffold
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okay i decided to scrap the odroid and go with something a bit beefier that I can run in a RAID setup

novel carbon
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Has anyone tried to hack/integrate a proprietary video intercom system into Home Assistant? I have a Comelit (??) setup in my building, and want to make my unit smart. Baseline is being able to buzz someone in from my phone. More advanced is receiving notifications when someone buzzes up, or even the video feed.

raw scaffold
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can you guys recommend something that is sort of small and can do raid? POE not required.

tacit burrow
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is disk failure really an issue?

raw scaffold
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Is that no longer a thing people worry about ?

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I wanted to use it for next cloud

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Maybe I can just use 2x ssds via usb.

tacit burrow
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Don't worry about it, man. Just use 1 ssd, and back it up off-machine.

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To a local NAS, or to google-drive, etc.

peak mural
peak mural
raw scaffold
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I want something like Siri with homepod support. I don’t think homeassistant has the complete ecosystem yet from what I’ve read

peak mural
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And honestly, we host a lot. We have a lot of extra space in our house, so friends & family stay with us often, and I love the idea of being able to share a link with them while they’re staying, give them a username & password, and letting them have temporary access easily while they’re visiting without ever technically needing to even download anything g.

raw scaffold
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Our guests just use Siri. Worked decently well.

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Home assistant would be a great way to enhance limitations in other home platforms especially around automations and device compatibility.

devout parrot
raw scaffold
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So import home assistsnt into HomeKit?

devout parrot
pliant ruin
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Any good light bulbs?

devout parrot
pliant ruin
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Colour is a bonus

gray ember
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Hi all. Is Intel NUC i3 sufficient for running HAOS?

golden thorn
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You gotta be more specific

gray ember
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like RAM and storage?

golden thorn
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Like the actual CPU model

gray ember
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oh good point

fringe crater
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There's probably over 100 processors named "i3" released anytime in the last 10 years.

gray ember
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i3 6100U, 6th gen

golden thorn
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Generally you want to aim for a single-core passmark score of >= 1000, >= 2 cores and >= 2G RAM

fringe crater
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They're probably all sufficient though.

gray ember
golden thorn
gray ember
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no, I don't own it

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my other option is NUC i5 4250u

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but obviously more expensive

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2nd hand

golden thorn
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It's an i5 but kinda worse and older

gray ember
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hmm...

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how about i3 8109U?

golden thorn
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That's relatively fast and relatively new (5y). I'd recommend you go here and compare the models: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/CPU_mega_page.html
I'm a fan of cheap (U)SFF computers and recommend them over NUCs. At least in my region it makes little financial sense to buy a NUC over them

gray ember
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thank you

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so what's the ideal passmark I should get?

fringe crater
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FWIW I'm using a decade old I5 (passmark 2k) on proxmox with virtualized HAOS and 10 other containers and it feels great.

gray ember
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USFF?

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yeah but I don't want to deal with manually adding addons using containers. I want the OS

fringe crater
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yes I use HAOS

golden thorn
gray ember
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I found somthing: Beelink Mini S12 Windows 11 Intel 12th Gen N95 Mini PC

fringe crater
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If you're looking for a good deal consider broken-screen laptops too. Power efficient, quiet, and with built-in UPS.

golden thorn
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Basically every CPU/machine you shared is sufficient for basic HA(OS) but to determine if it's worth its price you have to compare the price and benchmarks.
I like the notebook idea but I'm not sure if I'd want a spicy pillow in a poorly ventilated cabinet. In my (limited) experience with old laptops they are not that energy efficient.

gray ember
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got it

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everything I see on 2nd hand is old and expensive relative to a 12th Gen Intel mini PC by Beelink

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8GB, 256GB m.2 nvme

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12th Gen

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I can throw more stuff on that CPU aside from HAOS

golden thorn
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I recently bought a fujitsu SFF PC with a i3 6100 and 8G RAM for 40 bucks. 10w~ idle.

gray ember
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and it comes cheapr

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yeah, in my country even air costs money 😄

uncut badger
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(At least it's not the drop and run pillow)

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I'm using an old i5 'nuc' from asus. bought barebones, shoved in 16gb and a 200gb ssd. running esxi (would use proxmox if rebuilding) with no trouble at all.

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external power brick tends to mean lower fan noise. laptops can be not great from a fan perspective. (small fans, spinning fast = noisy)

rich venture
fringe crater
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Personally I feel like that's a bit of an overblown concern. It's not like I'm going to use the battery for anything else, so removing it is equivalent to just throwing it away.
If it degrades some over the lifetime of the laptop, 🤷

rich venture
raw scaffold
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do you guys have any opinions on running a SBC vs a MiniPC for : HomeAssistant,Scrypted,NextCloud, etc?

devout parrot
terse iron
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Hello.

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Does anyone have any recommendations on half decent, HA compatible, light bulb cameras?

zealous dune
golden thorn
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Because people keep suggesting/pushing them to be used for everything

sudden galleon
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Should I install Proxmox on i5-3470T and then HAOS in it OR I'm better off installing HAOS directly, if I have 8GB ram?

raw scaffold
devout parrot
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More bang for your buck buying a decent used mini PC if you're trying to run more than just HA on it.

fringe crater
raw scaffold
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I cannot find a decent used mini pc to be honest

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im about to buy a new beeline

devout parrot
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There's always tons of Lenovo Thinkcentres and Dell Optiplex micros and stuff on eBay.

raw scaffold
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oh i was looking for intel nuc

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Dell Optiplex is too big

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i want something that is like 8"x8" max

devout parrot
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Thinkcentres and Optiplex micros are about 7x7

raw scaffold
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oh i was just looking at Dell Optiplx 🙂

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oh shit man thank you

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this is a great price

sudden galleon
gloomy spoke
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Those are great. I have two

sudden galleon
gloomy spoke
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the only issue is that they lock down the OS signature and PCIe slots

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But you can work around it

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I haven't measured

sudden galleon
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Tdp is 35w so was thinking around 20w

raw scaffold
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how is the power supply on those

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is it pretty small or big

gloomy spoke
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Last one was like $118 ready to go with a spare Windows license (should you need such a thing)

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Half the size of the machine, I think

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Maybe a little smaller

raw scaffold
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darn

sudden galleon
raw scaffold
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im putting this in my SMC so want something erally smal

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i don't think the Thinkcentre m92p has NVME

sudden galleon
gloomy spoke
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Install the OS while the SSD is installed in the machine. I tried doing it on another machine and it kept rejecting it

sudden galleon
gloomy spoke
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One m92p is my main server that runs almost everything

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It's plenty

raw scaffold
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bah this is the problem with these thinkcenters...huge AC supply

rich venture
raw scaffold
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the issue is I am installing this in a structured media cabinet

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i already have a ubiquiti switch lite and dream machine in there

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i can fit a small pc but adapter and stuff starts adding up 🙂

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especially for my heat, I would like it to be closer to the intake fan

rich venture
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how much compute power do you need?

raw scaffold
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do you guys have any opinions on running a SBC vs a MiniPC for : HomeAssistant,Scrypted,NextCloud, etc?

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thats my current needs

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I can really use a BeeLink to be honest

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or that ZimaBoard thing

rich venture
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yea zimaboard is great

raw scaffold
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is it? i thought their containers wer eannoying

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huge sale on amazon on them btw

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$160 for 8GB/32

rich venture
raw scaffold
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Oh reallly i dint know that

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i thought the casaos was mandatory

rich venture
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casaos is really just a web interface
its debian under the hood

raw scaffold
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interesting

terse owl
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Hi all, (repost as per suggestion from other chat) im getting a bit overwhelmed with picking a power monitoring plug that can work with home assistant.

i was hoping for something that had;

  • no demand for wifi
  • no hub
  • no accounts
  • ideally plug and detect locally

i found this one that covers most of those requirments kinda; https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B712GY64?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

but am not sure how to connect them to home assistant as the brand eightree doesnt come under the brand list

any ideas on how to add these and or which hubs i should i should use instead?

tacit burrow
uncut badger
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and you can often get refurbed from Amazon

devout parrot
uncut badger
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if you really want totally local, you pretty much need something like zigbee, which needs a controller. either a hub or a stick. (stick is very common, then using zha or zigbee2mqtt)

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wifi is also an option, but needs more work. at Finn mentioned (the flashing scares me 😉 )

devout parrot
smoky flax
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So I'm looking to upgrade all my home's wall switches with smart switches and need recommendations.

I'm currently considering either a mix of Sonoff NSPanels and M5 Switchman (US Versions) or going with the Inovelli blue switches.
I'm torn between being able to have ESPHome on all the switches or Zigbee, so any feedback towards either is appreciated.

Also any other recommendations or alternatives are greatly appreciated too.

bitter shale
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@smoky flax I'm personally waiting on quality Thread based light switches with matter support. None exist today. So I'm sticking with my z-wave until such time as thread/matter switches come out.

slender pelican
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Yeah I'd like to see Thread

slender pelican
slender pelican
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The Pro or Non-Pro

smoky flax
slender pelican
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I remember buying one as soon as it came out and was so angry to see a Nexiton "Smart" HMI

slender pelican
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But they suck too

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I actually am looking to go back to the basics and follow enterprise options

smoky flax
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I've seen some good looking setups with the Non Pro ones using ESP Home, looks like ppl found ways to customize it

slender pelican
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There is ways to customize it using the nexiton HMI tools

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But honestly it's really annoying

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Because what you're doing is you're uploading assets to the display and then you trigger certain events to have those assets load

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PLC HMIs are this but I wouldn't have them run by an ESP32

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You run RS-485 back to the PLC

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Truth is the problem was that you couldn't display something like a camera

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No one's heard of akuvox tho

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Supports Shelly, Ring, Lutron Caseta ... Hol up

sudden galleon
raw scaffold
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i dont really have the space for that unfortunately.

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i think ill go with the beelink

merry rampart
terse owl
rich venture
terse owl
terse owl
winged knoll
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Tasmota uses MQTT, ESPHome doesn't

rich venture
terse owl
rich venture
uncut badger
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Zigbee is a protocol. like wifi.

winged knoll
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Zigbee is also always 100% local

terse owl
winged knoll
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(like Z-Wave)

terse owl
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blimey there are so many

terse owl
winged knoll
terse owl
winged knoll
uncut badger
#

Zigbee and Zwave are what are known as mesh protocols. So rather than having your router for wifi, and everything connects back to that, giving you limits on the range, plugged in zigbee and zware devices (bulbs, smart plugs, that kind of thing.) extend the mesh. so you can have a longer range, with things connecting via something closer. so bulb A can connect via smart plug B, which connects to the zigbee controller.

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and your zigbee buttons can hook up to one of those to get the message back to the controller. (they don't extend the mesh, as they're not on most of the time)

terse owl
uncut badger
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Yes.

rich venture
terse owl
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you guys are fab. quickest / best reply on a help forum in a long while

rich venture
uncut badger
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Go take a look at the pinned messages in #zigbee-archived to see some common answers to questions 🙂

terse owl
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but now i have a foundation ill go explore

uncut badger
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🙂

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zwave and zigbee are very similar. Zigbee tends to be cheaper.

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and more available

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If you like Ikea, their smart home stuff (Tradfri) tends to be zigbee. Aqara are another major cheap brand for kit. Phillips Hue is also (generally) Zigbee, but pricier.

drifting grove
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May not be the right place. ... accidently misread the blakaddar site .. got 14 Wyze contact door sensors ... didnt read the part about needing hte hub 😅 Anyone know where in the UK i could get just the Hub ?

devout parrot
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Personally I would just return those and go Zigbee or zwave.

molten epoch
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does anyone know if its possible to get xy-coordinates of a persons location in a room from the FP2 Aqara sensor?

peak mural
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So I’ve got a Lenovo M900 Intel i7-6700 3.49GHz 8GB RAM & 256GB SSD, (waiting on the SSD to be delivered) to use for HomeAssistant, and per recommendation here, I might run it in ProxMox so I can potentially use it one day for other things. I have a nice old VGA monitor that can rotate, and I’d love to spin it 90° into portrait orientation. Does anyone know if there’s a way to do that in ProxMox and/or HomeAssistant?

gentle fossil
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Neither proxmox nor haos come with graphical support

golden thorn
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echo 1 > /sys/class/graphics/fbcon/rotate

works for me on proxmox's cli. I tested via DVI but it shouldn't matter.
Tinkerer's link below shows how to set it permanently

winged knoll
gentle fossil
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Oh, you actually want the tty?

peak mural
raw scaffold
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I have a Fan with a RF remote control that I want to control via HA. Is my best option the Bond Bridge

devout parrot
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That's probably going to depend on the frequency the fan uses vs the frequencies available devices support, among other things.

uncut badger
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it'll give you a light sensor, and a number of presence sensors (within the entity) for each zone you set up, and one global.

raw scaffold
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Um…it’s a ceiling fan. I’m not sure what the frequency is

uncut badger
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do you have a model number?

raw scaffold
uncut badger
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looks like they use the 304Mhz band

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bond bridge apparently works, yes

tacit burrow
acoustic ice
tacit burrow
acoustic ice
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That's true! Everyone's experiences can differ.

drifting grove
#

Morning All, i've been trying to search Blakadder for a air quality monitor. does anyone have one in their system they can recomend in particular ... having a particulate matter counter ?

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Trying to get same stats as the Amazon Smart Air Quality Monitor provides alexa but in HA

next solstice
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I run HA on a docker container on my NAS. I want to add a PoE camera to my home, that has decent quality, but I don't want to add more hardware (other than the camera). Is there software that I can run on my NAS (linux-like, docker container, etc...) that plays nice with HA and said camera? Basically just doing some early research on how to add a camera with minimal additional hardware. Thanks!

outer knotBOT
#

@next solstice Please do not cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond. Crossposting wastes people's time as they're unaware of the help you're getting elsewhere.

If you don't get any responses after an hour or more, and your message is no longer on screen, it is fine to re-post or post a link to it.

winged knoll
uncut badger
drifting grove
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Looking at 3 more monitors

uncut badger
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There's the Ikea one? Not as capable as the amazon smart one, but it can do pm2.5, and z2m can do voc. (the others should be able to as well, but probably need quirks.)

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With the amazon one, have you hooked it up via the amazon media player hacs extension? that apparently works.

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(I understand wanting local control. but if you have it, you may as well use it too)

drifting grove
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I've not looked that far into HACS yet i've only just set it up so I can have another HA running on a pi in garage for a second ZigBee Mesh. That Ikea one looks ideal though, thanks for that!

uncut badger
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if all you want is pm2.5, and you're handy with a soldering iron, there's the cheaper ika one which you can shove an esp32 into 😉

drifting grove
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I was just looking at the £15 one, unfortunately the one with the screen wont deliver to my area and I don't fancy a drive to Manchester for a few of them 😆

twilit mica
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ODroid here. What's the recommended EMMC? Do the color and shapes matter? Red dot for example.

uncut badger
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the 15 one doesn't have any remote functionality, unless you are willing to put in an esp, and use it with esphome. It's apparently fairly simple. Though I think my soldering to the data pad failed, because I didn't get anything out of it.

drifting grove
zealous dune
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Didn't you want "same stats" as Amazon's sensor? Vindriktning has only PM2.5

drifting grove
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Ideally that would be great, but if not it will do for the main part

uncut badger
#

what you can do, later, is add other sensors to the esp.

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though there's only so much which can be done in that case

drifting grove
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Yeah I think looking at it , i may by the parts and build one through ESp ... im sure id be able to print a nice case for it aswell

uncut badger
#

Oh no, what have I done!!! 😉

sour flame
#

Heya 🙌 can we run it on a RockPro64, anyone experience with setting it up with a RP?

ionic locust
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does anyone know if the style of the rocker on the smart switch leviton (2nd gen) exists in a non smart variant from any company?
i just mean where its rocker-styled but its not actually a rocker, you just push it up or down

country = canada (happy to buy from US stores)
budget = none
protocols - none, looking for non smart device that i can pair with a relay
no features

thanks 🙂

glossy quiver
ionic locust
sour flame
#

Experience with HA on RockPro anyone? 😯

glossy quiver
ionic locust
#

Sorry if I’m not explaining it well

glossy quiver
#

Ah - so you want it to act more like a button?

gloomy spoke
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The only non-smart switches that I've seen lock in the new position

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it's how the switch works

glossy quiver
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I think I understand better. For a "dumb" switch, that might need a physical latch. I don't think I've seen anything like that.

ionic locust
#

That’s amazing thank you!

sudden galleon
#

is there any good alternative to google coral for cameras?

winged knoll
coarse basalt
#

Wow sucks that raspberry pi's are insanely expensive, I guess I will have to buy some Chinese knockoff like babana pi or something XD

golden thorn
#

Are you limited to SBCs?

tacit burrow
#

Used SFF PCs are a great option for about the same (or less) price as a pi (once you include case, power supply, and SSD).

uncut badger
#

And you can get them refurbed from amazon if you don't want to go the ebay route

gusty fern
#

any recommendation for sff/usff regarding the cpu? I saw a lot of different options for example for the optiplex 7050.. or is the energy consumption for that one too high?

golden thorn
#

<#hardware-archived message>
<#installation-archived message>
<#hardware-archived message>
Here's some recent links/info on what hardware to look out for and how to check/compare.
Define too high. Modern (2015-202x) intel platforms are very energy efficient. A machine like the Optiplex 7050 will probably idle around 10w or less with some optimizations like enabling/setting cstates and other power saving features in BIOS and running powertop --auto-tune.

bitter shale
#

@coarse basalt There are WAY better options than RPi these days. Beelink mini-PCs, or used thin clients/mini-PCs on amazon are generally way more powerful.

safe blaze
#

Hello!

Is anyone here using a door sensor to track gas consumption? I have a RH-MAGv3B board and I can not find where to sold an external relay

half cedar
#

What wall mounted tablets are y'all using? I have an old Google Nexus but its straight garbage even in kiosk mode and want to get something nicer for a control panel on the wall (maybe 2 or 3 of them?)

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Looking at used Fire HD tablets but open to anything

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apologies if this is the wrong channel for this

ocean wolf
rich venture
ocean wolf
rich venture
ocean wolf
#

Aren't there sensors that act as a bobber over a "stick" and sensor just checks where the bobber is on the scale?

rich venture
ocean wolf
#

Is the food-safe version of the etape needed for things like fish ponds?

rich venture
forest heart
#

hello folks, I am after a wifi dimmer plug [UK] that is flashed with tasmota or similar... I can't find much out there, does anyone have any pointers?

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there is a candeo one available but it doesn't flash to tasmota

ocean wolf
ocean wolf
drifting ember
frosty field
#

Hey Fellas,
My room mate made dinner again while on the phone, and accidentally turned the oven knob the wrong direction when he was done. I got home 20 minutes and had to have evacuate the house and open all doors from the outside...

Is there such a thing as a natural gas detector? We have carbon monoxide and smoke detectors.

I've never heard of a natural gas detector. If there is such a thing, are any Internet connected? Zigbee or WiFi?

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If so, I might also want to look at wireless connected smoke and carbon monoxide detectors also. Home assistant compatible, of course.

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Looking online, I indeed see natural gas detectors.

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Still wondering if any have network connectivity and compatible with HA?

drifting ember
#

so the stove was on but not lit?

frosty field
#

Yup!

drifting ember
#

yikes

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I would find another room mate

frosty field
#

Yeah. Apparently for about 30 minutes or so.

drifting ember
#

prolly cheaper and safer than a sensor

frosty field
#

Maybe.

drifting ember
#

I fall asleep and leave my oven on sometimes but it's usually on

frosty field
#

Toasty!

drifting ember
#

this is why I'm working on an LCD panel connected to an rpi for "hey stupid" notifications

frosty field
#

I came home from work, and got an instant headache.

drifting ember
#

like "hey stupid you started the stove 2.5 hours ago"

frosty field
#

That's what my phone and HA are for.

drifting ember
#

plan is to have buttons in the kitchen that I can start timers on

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well I'll be honest I don't check my phone at all when I'm at home

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it's usually sat on the charger till the automation turns the charger off

frosty field
#

I wouldn't check an LCD tucked into the corner.

drifting ember
#

LOL I'm mounting it above my computer monitor

frosty field
drifting ember
#

so it won't be tucked away, and the backlight will come on when I have notifications

drifting ember
frosty field
#

That might work.

drifting ember
#

it's a 1602, so the backlight is really bright

frosty field
#

I make it a point not to charge both at once.

drifting ember
#

my office mostly in darkness when I'm in here

drifting ember
#

infact I need to order a battery and replacement back for it now because when I change the battery on the watch it will lose it's waterproofing

frosty field
#

If I put all my devices on the charger, then it'll be the one time I go outside to check something, and my August smart lock will lock behind me when I don't have my keys...

drifting ember
#

this is why I have a key hidden in my front yard

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I've been locked out by the cats more than once

frosty field
#

Cat stew? Yes please!

drifting ember
#

I am severely outnumbered

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I have 4 inside only cats, and 5 strays I feed outside

frosty field
#

So? You only need to skin one and put the pelt on display. The others will learn really quick...

drifting ember
#

I have a key hidden in the front yard, and my buddy has a complete set of keys to my house and he lives 3 mins away

frosty field
#

Ok.

drifting ember
frosty field
#

Lock them outside.

drifting ember
#

bruh my cats can lock and unlock doors and open handles

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and theyve never been outside a day in their lives

frosty field
#

Not yet...

drifting ember
frosty field
#

You've never put your boot in one's posterior on its way out?

drifting ember
#

never

frosty field
#

I'm kidding, of course.

drifting ember
#

I have put my boot to their collective posteriors

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just not out the door

frosty field
#

Fur babies are kids too.

drifting ember
#

it's like a jail house in here

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I have to keep them segregated

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I have one cat that hates my other cats

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and I have my moms cat here as well right now

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and she hates everyone

frosty field
#

Good luck. I have it on good authority they can open door handles and turn locks...

drifting ember
#

yup, hence why I also have barrel bolts LOL

frosty field
#

Hope they don't figure that out also.

gloomy spoke
drifting ember
#

only my velocoraptors have fur

uncut badger
uncut badger
#

natural gas is, mostly, methane.

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there's also a tuya one which might work.

dire lark
#

Anyone know of Verisure works in HA if I use 2factor-secure login to me account on Verisure?

copper cairn
#

Can anyone recommend an alternative to Switchbot button presser that can be connected over wifi?

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I've got a switchbot but I can't use it togheter with the prana integration which is also over BT

ocean wolf
#

If I were to look for a ESP32 board, is my only option to use a devkit or are there variants which are more suitable for production (home use) but not solely to be used as dev kits? I am not really interested in buying plain chips

I want to use it with different sensors

uncut badger
#

have you see the m5 stack?

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(admittedly I've not used them, but they're looking somewhat viable? and cased.)

ocean wolf
uncut badger
#

yep

ocean wolf
slender pelican
ocean wolf
#

Ultrasonic sensors are completely silent to the human ears, right?

golden thorn
#

I never heard my SR04*s. My dog's ears didn't move either when I tested with them in the same room

ocean wolf
#

How bad practice is it to connect different sensors of different uses to the same PCB? Only due to proximity to the board?

zealous dune
#

only issue is if there's sideeffect from being close to the board like components heating up a temperature sensor

ocean wolf
#

Oh, I don't mean for them to all be that close to the board, just to be connected to the same board

drifting grove
#

How well do samsung air conditioners work with home assistant?

safe blaze
#

I have one 2-way switch working with tuya (1 device with 2 lights). I want to set 1 light to one are and the other to another area. How can I do that?

uncut badger
ocean wolf
uncut badger
#

i2c is designed to have multiple devices plugged into the same wires.

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(it does take a little work to make that work.)

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Otherwise, it's mostly about how much current draw you have to deal with, if you're dealing with sensors plugged into gpio pins

ocean wolf
uncut badger
#

as long as you're using suitable pins, you're fine

#

the board you're using will affect this, of course 🙂 Not all of them have the same number.

ocean wolf
uncut badger
#

yep

#

if you're wanting to use i2c bases sensors, the esp board will likely have a couple of pins which it can use for that. (and only that couple. or 4). For the others, you're talking about the gpio pins.

rich venture
atomic marsh
#

On a module like the esp32-c6 what's the range of the thread vs zigbee vs bluetooth

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I need one to ping the other in a lower power state indoors, without any networks or meshes around

ocean wolf
#

What's the maximum amount of wires you can connect to I2C?

zealous dune
#

4

atomic marsh
#

2 interfaces on that one, but I can multiplex

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Ah wrong question

#

I'll design custom pcbs for everything eventually

uncut badger
atomic marsh
#

I was asking about a low power protocol so I can tell the client to connect to wifi

ocean wolf
#

Do I need any special equipment in order to use ZigBee?
Other than supported boards of course

winged knoll
#

You need a Zigbee coordinator at the very least, and a USB extension cable most likely

hollow finch
#

Is it a bad idea to control a NAS via a wifi plug?
could it damage the hard drives if i shut the complete nas down with the plug?

winged knoll
#

You almost certainly will corrupt your file systems

hollow finch
#

The problem is that the nas needs a lot of power (its about 15-20 watts, thats not thaaaat much but still about 110€ a year) and the wol only works with Windows or Mac and i want to use it mainly from iphones or android phones but cant wake it up

winged knoll
#

You need to shut it down cleanly if you care about your data

hollow finch
#

Thx for your adwise, so wifi plug is not a option. I just dont want to let it run 24/7

winged knoll
#

If it supports SSH you can shut it down that way, if not then you may find that there's some form of web API

hollow finch
#

It does have a wol function, but that only seems to work if the NAS detects a Pc in the network with the running „nas navigator 2“ application.

Its an old NAS but ill try, thank you:)

winged knoll
#

First hit from Google on linkstation pro ssh

hollow finch
#

Shutting down isnt the problem, the nas does it by itself (standby). The wakeup is the problem.

Have to find out if SSH works at standby, that may work

winged knoll
#

It won't

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But, once you've shut it down you could cut the power to it, if it boots when power is turned on

hollow finch
#

I could try to cut the power after it goes to standby. Standby consumptions seems to be about 5-6watts. But then ill still maybe damage the hard drives

winged knoll
#

Well, it won't damage the hard drives, modern drives handle that fine

hollow finch
#

They should be about 10 yo

winged knoll
#

In standby it shouldn't cause a corrupt file system, hopefully

winged knoll
#

Hard drives haven't had major issues with sudden power outages for a long long time now

hollow finch
#

Okay so ill try that. Cut the power off when the consumption is under 10 watts and turn on to wake up. Needs 2 smart plugs, but it could work

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Ill give it a try tomorrow, thanks!

uncut badger
# 
  - platform: wake_on_lan
    mac: C0:0F:79:1A:6G:3E
    host: 192.168.0.652
    name: yournas```
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The ip is there for the detection when it's up and running.

rich venture
hollow finch
hollow finch
rich venture
hollow finch
#

its 2 500gb WD HDD and im clearing them today and then RAID 1

500gb should be enough storage for us

hollow finch
# uncut badger HA can do WOL

This works. The switch is still on when the NAS is in standby, but flicking it off and on again seems to wake up the nas, very nice! Thank you

uncut badger
#

🙂

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I just like being able to get home and yell at ziggy to activate computer. (Alexa with one of the alternate wake words, and a routine to flick the switch)

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being able to turn the nas on and off without needing to go into a different room is just nice

calm horizon
#

Does anyone know where I can find a wiring diagram to use this https://www.amazon.com/Installs-Compatible-SmartThings-Assistant-Separately/dp/B0B5VR87JX/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?adgrpid=87822806535&hvadid=634087678243&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9006595&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=15489091824197815637&hvtargid=kwd-615743336832&hydadcr=25252_13574038&keywords=zooz%2Blight%2Bswitch&qid=1687096453&sr=8-5&th=1&psc=1

I want to install it at the light for a 3 way switch setup where only line/load is running to the switches

fringe crater
calm horizon
#

@fringe crater Thank you!

fringe crater
#

I'm somewhat confused by what you describe though, that's not a 3 way I'm familiar with. What do you mean only line/load is running to the switches. There's no traveler? Or no neutral?

calm horizon
#

yeah, so its power to the light first, then from the light to one switch, its just power in and out, then from that switch box to the other switch box its only line and travelers, no neutral in either switch box.

dry fable
#

Item I Am Looking For: Smart Thermostat
Price: Reasonable, Below 200
Setup: Apartment, A/C Unit no Gas Furnace.
Will be using HomeAssistant for control.
Currently I have an Android Phone, but will be moving to iOS in September.

sly dust
rich venture
sly dust
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As long as your AC is standard wiring should be fine

dry fable
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Ok cool. I'm used to Ecobee products. My parents have them so, that's good to know that they work with HA.

sly dust
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I do all sorts of control on mine for setting away / home profiles based on presence detection , doing low cost super cooling, etc.

glossy prism
dry fable
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USD

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Texas

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I might actually get the Premium one for the Air Quality sensor and the Smart Sensor in the box.

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Seems useful.

sly dust
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I have 4 of the smart sensors around the house.

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They show up in HA too

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They work well for temp, but their occupancy sensor isn’t great. I use mmWave sensor for occupancy

swift quarry
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Is there any way I can use a Roku Smart Plug with HA?

half cedar
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I havent had any issues with the occupancy on Ecobee, but I dont use it a ton. The smart sensor is really nice, though I only use the one I got in the box

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I like the info, but Im not sure how I'd really use the smart sensor since my HVAC only has two states - on/off. I use the smart sensors to automate fans when there is a large delta between rooms (my TV room is usually ~5 degrees colder than my Ecobee sensor, and my main bedroom is usually 5 degrees warmer)

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I suppose I could use the HVAC fan to circulate air when the delta between rooms is >X degrees, but ceiling fans work for me

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(ceiling fans automated using Lutron Caseta switches)

winged sonnet
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anybody know if a Honeywell ABP Pressure I2C sensor would work via GPIO in a HAOS/RPi4 setup?

sly dust
jaunty smelt
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Is there a smart switch that I can use for my dumb lights AND my dumb fan that doesn't have dimmers (my lights and fan are not dim capable bc I don't like dimming)? I will take zigbee, z-wave, wifi...anything at this point.

devout parrot
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Wall switch? And by dumb fan, you mean a ceiling fan or?

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Also what country are you in

novel carbon
iron plover
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Anyone have ideas for tracking a dog? I want to add my dog as a "person" entity so I can put the climate control in "away" mode when nobody is home.

My initial thought was to attach an air tag to his collar, but it appears that air tags don't show in the iCloud integration. Anybody have ideas for an alternative?

-In case anyone is curious, I'm tracking home/away of the humans in my house by seeing if their phone is on the WiFi (via unifi)

gloomy spoke
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Install the HA app on the dog's phone

iron plover
raw scaffold
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is there a sensor i can use to detect natural gas? i want to use it to trigger turning on my exhaust automatically

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found some never mind

golden thorn
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Maybe share your findings for the next person? 🙂

raw scaffold
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shelly gas sensor

devout parrot
dry fable
iron plover
winged knoll
devout parrot
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And I mean they have GPS tags for your pets, but I don't know whether any of those can be integrated with HA.

upper yoke
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are there any things that give the ability to control lights via gestures or without speaking or pressing a button?

gentle fossil
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Yes. I go out of my house and it turns things off

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What do you want? Set up a kinect and use the gestures in a script?

winged knoll
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Fibaro did something a while back, but ... automations are better IMO

jaunty smelt
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Currently there's no good smart lights to replace the canless 4in pucks I have that I actually want. Not without a crazy amount of drywall cutting or other crap. So instead I want the ability to turn lights on and off via both switch on the wall and home assistant

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I don't even need to be able to control the speed of the fan as long as I can turn it on and off

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That said if anyone knows of a 4in canless rgb light that I can control from a switch and not merely a phone...

upper yoke
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i want as close to neural connection as possible 😆

gentle fossil
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Pretty sure you‘ll find enough to work with on github

winged knoll
gloomy spoke
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I can imagine the kind of gestures that Tony Soprano might use

tawny viper
tawny viper
devout parrot
sly dust
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Suggestions for a bedside 'scene controller' type device that is not Zwave or Zigbee?

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Its OK if it requires a USB plugin, but not something mounted in a switch wall plate.

terse pumice
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not sure this question fits best here or in general but: has anyone tried replicating the fully kiosk HA dashboard experience on windows tablet? I can get my hands on a decent one with the stand and I'm currently evaluating options

drifting ember
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a windows tablet will have many ways to do kiosk

terse pumice
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true, I did some quick research and even found clues on how to do it on "clean windows", looking for experiences with other features like turning on the screen when camera detects movement etc, at the end of they day I could code it myself but there's no reson to reinvent the wheel if someone already tried it 😄

iron plover
tawny viper
jaunty smelt
devout parrot
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If you want to keep your existing switches:
Zigbee with neutral: Sonoff zbmini
WiFi with neutral: Shelly 1, Sonoff MINIR4
Zigbee no neutral: Sonoff zbmini-l2 (I actually own one of these and it works great)
WiFi no neutral: Shelly 1L
If you want to replace your switches with new physical switches that have smart functionality, I haven't done as much research on that hardware because most of those require neutral wire but I'm sure other people here have good recommendations.

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As for fan controllers, does your dumb fan have an RF remote or is it the classic pull chain situation?

mossy canyon
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Any... window opening hardware for double pane windows?

indigo sleet
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Hey all, I'm just getting started and I'd greatly appreciate your advice on what to buy for my new setup!

  • USA
  • $1000 budget (flexible)
  • No protocol preference, if possible would like to keep everything on one protocol but I have nothing so far. I'd love to keep it all local if possible

I'm planning on ~ 20 light bulbs (multi-color if possible), thermostat (nest?), led strip (neon if possible like this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BC5FG6N/), 2 smart plugs, and an indoor camera to face the front door

So far I've failed pretty hard on finding the right hardware. Bought some sengled bulbs but they were wifi and not zigbee🤦, bought the led strip above but it was remote only 🤦, bought a z-wave/zigbee controller that, when I looked on the discord, everyone said not to buy it 🤦

mossy canyon
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Unsure if it's the "best" option, but zigbee will do all of those things.

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As I'm sure all of the protocols will

sly patrol
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Hey all, I am looking for some very simple device that can just accept an arbitrary signal (always "llistening", input will be less than 12v for sure) and pass this through USB to my linux server so I can make a notification based on that.

Basically I have a water sensor with a very underwhelming speaker so I want to put the input for that speaker into this device and use that for a more useful notification. Yeah I know there are purpose built devices for this but I thought this would be cool and fun.

mossy canyon
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Arduino, raspberry pi, etc. can all be integrated into HA. Definitely not the "easiest" way, I'm sure there are more purpose built devices that can accept arbitrary inputs.

devout parrot
# indigo sleet Hey all, I'm just getting started and I'd greatly appreciate your advice on what...

If you want to keep it 100% local, go with Zigbee or Tasmota/esphome compatible WiFi devices. Basically whatever you can find most easily that fits your needs and works in your country.
Don't necessarily worry about sticking fully to one protocol, as long as home assistant works with the device it can bring all those devices together regardless of the connection method. Just make sure if you use Zigbee that you set your stuff up so you have a strong mesh.
Also if you haven't already returned that LED strip, just get a compatible controller for it in the protocol of your choice and wire it up.

mossy canyon
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What do you mean by "set your stuff up so you have a strong mesh?"

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I also have zigbee and have seen the "mesh" UI but thought nothing of it

sly dust
glossy prism
mossy canyon
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so basically it boils down to "if you're going to do zigbee, do a lot of zigbee?"

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I don't have to do any more setup?

indigo sleet
mossy canyon
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Well, "do a lot of mains powered zigbee and don't just do battery powered things."

glossy prism
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You don't necessarily need a lot. It depends on the environment you're in

mossy canyon
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I've have a zigbee powered switch on all floors of my small home, and it seems to be ok! 🙂

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zigbee powered mains powered

glossy prism
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But yes, you generally shouldn't only have battery-powered devices. You can get away with that in smaller environments though

mossy canyon
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How small is small? My house is a 1500 foot cabin with a basement

glossy prism
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1500 sq ft per floor or total?

mossy canyon
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total minus basement

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basement isn't included because it's not finished

glossy prism
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Zigbee doesn't care if it's finished or not 😛

mossy canyon
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very true, although I may argue with you over the absorption of EM in carpets and couches 😉 😉 😉

glossy prism
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You'll probably want to get a few more mains-powered devices tbh

mossy canyon
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will do! I love those little switches anyway

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So cheap too

indigo sleet
sly patrol
glossy prism
mossy canyon
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Yes I was being facetious! 🙂 But thanks much for the info, I'll order another 4 pack of the switches

sly dust
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Suggestions for a bedside 'scene controller' type device that is not Zwave or Zigbee? I need to turn on/off fans and lights without getting out of bed

My experience with large zwave and zigbee meshes hasn’t been good

glossy prism
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Zig—oh

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Bedside as in battery-powered?

sly dust
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Ok if USB

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But can’t be something that needs to be mounted in a wall

mossy canyon
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Doesn't HA work with bluetooth too? Or even many wifi devices?

sly dust
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I can’t find a wifi one

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I’d love something wifi

glossy prism
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You could look at a 433 MHz or LoRa remotes, but those are "fire-and-forget" protocols unlike zigbee and zwave

sly dust
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Fire and forget is fine

glossy prism
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Bluetooth could certainly be an option, but you might have trouble finding support

sly dust
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If I have to I could use a couple zigbee remotes with my long range Zigbee3 controller, but I have just had such bad luck with both of those protocols

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My wifi is vastly more reliable

cold moon
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that has to do with your lack of a proper mesh and interference etc, not the protocol itself (zigbee)

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zwave and zigbee are great when you use them right

sly dust
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I’ve had issues even with 2 devices and the controller all in the same room. I’ve also done 60 device meshes with zwave (all@mains powered). They aren’t nearly as visible or reliable

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Zwave certainly better than zigbee IME

cold moon
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they are both reliable

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i have both a zigbee and a zwave mesh and both work very well

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but you have to know what to do and what not to do

sly dust
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I’m glad that’s your experience. In mine, zwave won’t even reach 30 ft reliably

cold moon
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you cant just stand shit up and it "just work" without some groundwork

devout parrot
cold moon
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well with zigbee you mostly can

sly dust
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Again I’m glad they work for you. For me they are garbage and I want to avoid them.

cold moon
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lol

sly dust
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Maybe ill just design something for esphome

indigo sleet
devout parrot
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Yeah just make sure whatever you buy matches the capability of the strip, like in terms of supported color and temperature, number of pins, etc and check compatibility and reviews.

mossy canyon
devout parrot
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RGB, RGBIC, RGBW, RGBWW, RGBCCT, on/off, dimmable and so on.

mossy canyon
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oh geeze

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I had no idea!

cold moon
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Well

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It’s easier to think about addressable vs analog

mossy canyon
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OHHH you mean with addressable you can controll individual leds along the strip?

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Or well, maybe "sections"

cold moon
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You should look into using wled and building your own strip and controller

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Or buy a prebuilt one

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The premade ones like you linked above have a shit controller, shit strip, or both- plus they aren’t meant to be ran long distances with power injection and stuff

shell marsh
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For AV Control

jaunty smelt
jaunty smelt
devout parrot
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So the options there are going to depend on your wiring. Aqara makes a no-neutral Zigbee wall switch, but most of the other stuff I'm aware of as far as drop in replacements for the whole switch require a neutral wire. Zooz or Inovelli are probably the way to go there (though I've heard about some QC issues with Inovelli's stuff).
When it comes to ceiling fans, because they're inductive loads, you'll want to make sure you get a switch that's labeled for use with fans.

jaunty smelt
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Okay, even if it has a pull chain?

uncut badger
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Any inductive load will generate kickback when turned off, even AC loads.

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(Motors can act as generators. They're suboptimal in design for it, but they're similar enough. )

drifting ember
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IIRC a sonoff basic can do fans as well

uncut badger
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What I'm seeing for that is: use the sonoff basic to control a relay.

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not doing it directly

devout parrot
# jaunty smelt Okay, even if it has a pull chain?

Yeah. Replacing a non-remote control ceiling fan's controller with a smart controller is... I don't know if it's even possible honestly, so if you want to be able to replace the dumb wall switch with a smart wall switch, it needs to be one that isn't going to short or burn up when you turn it off.

jaunty smelt
drifting ember
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there's always the iFan04

devout parrot
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There's plenty of switches that are safe for that application, it's just that it would be on/off only, no speed or separate light control.

devout parrot
drifting ember
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so you're saying to uninstall my basic from my fan ? LOL

novel carbon
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has anyone found a way to automate an existing tv mount?

compact kayak
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I'm looking for a control panel that is powered by POE to avoid any battery issues with mounting an always on device in the wall cavity. Would this work, or are there cheaper alternatves that are POE?
https://www.iadea.com/products/xds-1078/

uncut badger
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(later android versions too)

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(not all of them)

pseudo burrow
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Is is possible install HA on a Raspi Zero?

uncut badger
pseudo burrow
uncut badger
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looks like a no then

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you might be able to do it containerized, or in a virtual environment, but the pi zero is very small

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not using HAOS

winged knoll
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The Zero has insufficient RAM and CPU, never mind the pain of SD cards

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It's probably the worst possible hardware to use for anything

lethal grove
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Hello! I would like to create my own Home Assistant server, but I'm not sure what server to choose, and someone advised against using a Raspberry Pi because it's slow. Can you please help me?

drifting ember
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someone?

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LOL everyone does

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😛

uncut badger
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where are you? (country 😉 )

lethal grove
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i am in france

winged knoll
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Do search the channel history, this is asked and answered almost daily

lethal grove
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oh ok i'm sorry to ask it again

outer knotBOT
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Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
uncut badger
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ebay probably goes cheaper 😉

devout parrot
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If you're raring to go and you have an old laptop laying around, you could be up and running today without even having to spend any money. I started out running on an old laptop (Thinkpad R500) and upgraded to a mini PC later, just took the SSD out and slammed it in the new machine. Debian doesn't care as long as the processor architecture is the same.

lethal grove
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Thx !

drifting ember
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or just run it in virtualbox on your PC till you get the laptop sorted out

true bear
winged knoll
true bear
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ok, thanks

zealous dune
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We usually 3D print them. If too thick it won't work properly

vernal heart
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Installing an outdoor ceiling fan that has no wall switch. It will have a remote but I want to get it in HA as well. What can I put in the box above it to make it "smart"?

zealous dune
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A fan controller like ifan04

vernal heart
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Seems cheap enough, not amazing reviews across the board, but I guess I can try it. Thanks

drifting ember
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reviews are just opinions for the most part, and most people don't know enough about anything to really give a good review

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most bad reviews (in general) are when people buy things without reading the capabiliities

glossy prism
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reviews are just opinions for the most part

FTFY

gloomy spoke
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It's white and I wish it was black, therefore it sucks

vernal heart
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Very true. Ordered that and the fan, hope it all fits and works nicely together. Think I read the ifan has a better fw I can flash to it too.

devout parrot
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Yeah, you can put Tasmota on that. You'll just need a USB to UART adapter.
Plus it supports RF remote so you'll still be good to go if your wifi is down.

lucid lance
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Hi guys! I've been looking at smart plugs with energy monitoring capabilities but it's a jungle so I was hoping I could get some of you guys input on it? I'm thinking about two things here: 1 i'd like a decent energy monitor that makes reliable readings - is that possible to get with the smart plugs? 2 how much energy do the smart plugs themselves use? I've been finding it difficult to read that from the specs

zealous dune
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Location and protocol?

lucid lance
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indoor and zigbee or wifi

zealous dune
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American then?

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Generally ZigBee plugs consume less power than WiFi

lucid lance
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Ohh, geographic location? 😄 I'm from Denmark

zealous dune
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I don't know what you consider reliable but they're all good enough for home use

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DK doesn't have many choices of plugs

lucid lance
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Thats what I wanted to know 🙏

zealous dune
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Just don't buy Tuya

lucid lance
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How come?

zealous dune
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you mentioned reliable

lucid lance
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Ah

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roger that

zealous dune
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You can get a good one but again you might not

lucid lance
rich venture
lucid lance
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is nedis a known one?

zealous dune
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That's Tuya but the better ones

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With Nedis you have some warranty and quality control

rich venture
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isnt tuya really complex to run compleatly self hosted

zealous dune
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No

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And ZigBee ones even less

rich venture
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yea zigbee is 100% local

lucid lance
rich venture
lucid lance
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ohhhhhh

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right

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TIL 😄

zealous dune
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Innr or Frient are good Zigbee brands

lucid lance
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Found a shelly plug s that is around half the price of the frient Smart Plug. It doesn't seem to run on the tuya firmware as far as i can tell

zealous dune
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That's a good option too

lucid lance
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The shelly plug s runs on wifi and therefore of course more power but i think the trade off is okay. Shelly is not completely bad right?

zealous dune
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Already is supported and local

lucid lance
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right, thanks!

zealous dune
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Will use more power in the long run

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Shelly is actually great

lucid lance
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So I actually have a follow up question: Right now I'm using raspberry pis with a usb cam attached for giving me some visibility of whats going on at home and also recording if anyone opens the front door when I'm not home. I'm guessing its quite overkill as its running a full OS which is actually why i was curious to find out how much power each raspberry pi + peripheral consumes. But what would would be the smart thing to do energy consumption wise? something esp32?

winged sonnet
lucid lance
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Anyways, thanks @zealous dune and @rich venture ! I appreciate the tips and clarifications 🙏

rich venture
sudden apex
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hi, I'm not sure if im in the right channel but here goes.
i just received my skyconnect in the mail and I just wanted to know what is the best plug or other device to use as a repeater.
I want to put one in each room to make the mesh more reliable.

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affordability and an australian plug are my priorities

hollow lance
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Hue bulbs are repeaters

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I use them almost exclusively

tacit burrow
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I'm using my Hue bulbs as repeaters. Here in AU also.

jaunty smelt
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@devout parrot for the sonoff zbmini, will this work for my 3 and 4 gang switches? Do I need to buy 1 per switch?

devout parrot
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1 per switch yeah. Same deal with the Shelly 1. It's gonna get a little crowded in there though, depending on how clean the wiring is and the depth of your junction box.

Anyone know anything about these guys? https://a.co/d/ghOQUrb
The vendor also sells a lot of other privacy focused, HA compatible hardware, like WiFi devices preflashed with Tasmota, but that doesn't necessarily speak to the quality.

zealous dune
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they're average quality

devout parrot
merry robin
#

Looking for a hardware rec. Currently running a Pi 400 (it was the only thing available at the time!!) with ha, homebridge, mosquito, zigbee2mqtt, pihole all in docker. Feel like I'm missing out not being able to run haos and not having Matter options and some other things.

So I would like to pick up a new device just to run ha (I think MQTT and z2m could be add-ons and wouldn't need them in docker anymore?) and leave homebridge and pihole on the existing machine.

So what do I need to look for in a cheap-ish machine? Are any of these good buys?

https://a.co/d/asQoPFm

https://a.co/d/2AKGyBV

https://www.microcenter.com/product/663411/hp-prodesk-600-g2-sff-desktop-computer-(refurbished)

Or could someone send a direct link of something no more than $200 or so?

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I have a basic understanding of setting up the VM, just can't tell which machine would be good

uncut badger
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the thinkcentre or hp would be decent.

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it is substantially larger (but that gives you space to put other stuff in, if you wanted.) Both are decent. Both are more than you need. either would work

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I'd skip the brand new one. while it's new, the CPU is a lower spec one

merry robin
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Good stuff, thank you. I like the HP and also like the idea of walking into a store for this.

scenic summit
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I have a sprinkler valve that's in the far side of the house, and ideally I don't want to drill stucco to run a wire to the sprinkler controller (right now it has its own, very old, controller). I was thinking of using 2 relays and let HA do the connectivity... any suggestion of cheap-ish relays? any protocol works

zealous dune
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there's so many to choose from

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AC or DC?

scenic summit
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That's always a tough question, I have 120 AC outlets in both ends

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(I have to google every time)

zealous dune
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then pick whatever suits you, there's relays on boards, relays in enclosures

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since its a sprinkler system it doesn't matter what relays are used since its not high power

scenic summit
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I think enclosure will be best

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Any particular brand that's recommended?

zealous dune
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depends on the desired protocol

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for wifi shelly f.e.

scenic summit
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I have a few zwave devices, some zigbee, decent enough wifi coverage

jaunty smelt
scenic summit
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@zealous dune I'm not well versed into which protocol works best though

zealous dune
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there's no best

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if you don't know choose zigbee

scenic summit
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Zigbee it'll bee

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Brands? with a few examples I can go and culture myself more

zealous dune
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Anything but Tuya

lucid lance
#

Hi Guys! Lately I've been having quite a lot of issues with my gateway modem: SSID changes back to default on occasion which then disconnects most of my smart home stuff. It also seems to not be fully aware of the totalt amount of nodes connected - which seems kinda paradoxical. Do you buy your own modems/routers? And can you recommend any brands or models to look into?

scenic summit
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Thanks for the pointers @zealous dune

zealous dune
lucid lance
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Roger that @zealous dune . Any suggestions in terms of what to buy?

zealous dune
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Do you have infinite money?

gloomy spoke
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money is just a social construct

zealous dune
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yes, money is just a promise

cold moon
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It’s not difficult but still

lucid lance
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how so?

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the buying part? Or the bridging part? Or something else?

cold moon
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The bridging part doesn’t make sense based on how he said it above

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But the configuration of your devices can be complicated if you aren’t tech savvy or willing to learn

lucid lance
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I am for sure willing to learn 🙂

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btw, why doesn't the bridging part make sense?

cold moon
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Well first confirm you have a modem or modem / router combo and if your isp requires you to use their device. A lot of fiber installations have an ONT(optical network terminal) that you connect directly to with a router. With cable you’ll have a modem with like coax coming into it then an Ethernet port on the modem that a router’s WAN port will connect to

cold moon
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Basically if you have cable, figure out if you have a modem + a router or a modem router combo. Then figure out if your isp will let you use your own modem, then you make hardware choices

lucid lance
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Well I asked them if I could install new firmware on their combo device and they basically said go for it

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the cable is coax

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and its a modem router combo

cold moon
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Do you have internet only or cable tv too?

lucid lance
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just internet yeah

cold moon
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Any set top boxes etc around the house?

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Ok cool

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So it sounds like you can buy your own modem, buy your own router, and give theirs back to them

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Sometimes that cuts like $10 a month off the bill

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Their website should tell you what modems they support or standards like DOCSIS 3.1 etc

lucid lance
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that would be nice! Not sure actually if I'm paying anything for the device

cold moon
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Then you buy an arris or whatever modem you want that fits that description, then you buy whatever router you want

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Ideally for the router you’re actually not just buying a router

lucid lance
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any suggestions in terms of router choice?

cold moon
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Most non technical people think of a router as a Wi-Fi device

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A router actually just routes packets

lucid lance
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ok

cold moon
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Access points provide Wi-Fi, and a lot of consumer grade routers have built in (shitty) access points

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I personally use and suggest UniFi gear but it isn’t cheap

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It’s user friendly though

lucid lance
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wait so i should by a modem, router AND access point?

cold moon
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Access points plural depending on size of the house or whatever

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I have three

rocky trail
#

Some of the consumer grade mesh stuff isn't bad. Heard good things about orbi. But I also use unifi

cold moon
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You could get away with some asus all in one thing but I personally wouldn’t suggest it

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Mesh is disgusting and orbi is garbage yo

rocky trail
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lol

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Unifi is mesh

cold moon
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What

zealous dune
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don't buy asus if you intend to use iot devices

rocky trail
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What what. Multiple access points creates a wifi mesh with unifi

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They just have a wired backbone, usually

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But don't have to.

lucid lance
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excuse my ignorance, but what is a mesh? 🙂

rocky trail
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But it's still a wifi mesh

cold moon
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When people say mesh they are talking about wireless bridging

rocky trail
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No they're not.

cold moon
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No need to just add layers of confusion here

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Okay dude

gloomy spoke
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Not at all

rocky trail
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Mesh is mesh whether the backbone is wired or wireless

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Mesh means clients can roam easily. Has nothing to do with how the APs communicate

gentle fossil
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roaming is 802.11r, mesh is 802.11s

lucid lance
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So no to interupt your flamewar here @rocky trail but @cold moon was actually helping me out quite a lot so maybe you could wait with this sword fight and let us carry on?

rocky trail
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Sorry, roam as a non-technical term

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Sure. Recommend unifi anyway.

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So we agree on that.

lucid lance
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Excellent - and thank you for that pointer also!

cold moon
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I’ve got to go you’re welcome to message me for one on one help and I can reply later

lucid lance
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Alright - thanks for all the help so far btw!

rocky trail
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I've got 5 unifi APs (though one is for one specific device that doesn't seem to like to connect to the rest of mine) and a few unifi switches.

lucid lance
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how much space are you covering?

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switches are for cabled connections, yeah?

rocky trail
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my Harmony Hub got unreliable so I put an old AP next to it and it's the only device that can connect to it 😂

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Yeah, switches for wires. Basically 2 U6-Pro for 2500ish sqft house. One upstairs, one downstairs. 1 older UAP-AC-LITE for the Harmony hub

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A U6-LITE in the garage and a U6-LR outside

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All wired, not wireless backbone

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But they do wireless linking pretty well too

lucid lance
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I can set bridge mode from the combo device and then buy something like Unifi Dream Machine - would that be an ok idea?