yellow-archived

[compact quartz]

It's on the list of things that falstaff wants to look into I think.

[rugged lodge]

Yellow arrived and I also got CM4 on alliexpres. Currently restored, I also report a working SSD, type:

Patriot P300, M.2 - 128GB

[near hull]

Hi. I am working on installing my Home Assistant Yellow. It does not show up in my router and following the process to use putty to connect via serial is not working either. Anyone have any suggestions?

[fresh bough]

With nvme?

[near hull]

no nvme. Factory Default config.

[graceful zealot]

Does your Pi have storage on it?

[near hull]

just on the pi module.

It is the standard Yellow, pre-configured.

[keen parcel]

Where’s my yellowphant

[fresh bough]

not all cm4s have storage @near hull

does yours have emmc storage ?

[near hull]

yes, as per crowd supply description: The CM4 is a version without wireless and has 2 GB RAM and 16 GB eMMC storage.

[fresh bough]

Then, have you flashed the OS via USB ?

[near hull]

The version I purchased came pre-installed. fyi. I am also being assisted by @compact quartz via Yellow support. I do appreciate your assistance, just don't want to waste your time. 🙂

[wary pivot]

But we are all curious. Every solution to a problem might help another user.

[wintry stream]

Ok I installed and configured the multiprotocol addon but my devices are not paried with my ZHA still? This happens everytime why?

[agile knoll]

How accurate are the yellow shipping timeframes? Both of my orders have been pushed from Nov 27 to Jan 27 next year.

[wary pivot]

Don't count too much on CrowdSupply's estimations. In today's release party stream they stated, the Yellow PoE are on the way from China to the USA.

[agile knoll]

Good to know. Mine are not PoE though...

Will that include standard yellow kits?

[wary pivot]

Yellow kits include the Yellow PCB, the case, a heatsink, an ethernet cable and the power supply kits get a powersupply. The CM4 is not included in the kits.

[agile knoll]

Sorry, not the kit, the full yellow

I.e ready to plug and play

[wary pivot]

The full Yellow comes with Yellow PCB, case, heatsink, ethernet cable, powersupply and a preinstalled CM4 (2GB RAM, 16GB eMMC, no WiFi/BT). The HA software is preinstalled as well.

[agile knoll]

Cheers that's the one. Are those in today's announced shipment from China to the USA?

[wary pivot]

No. They just mentioned the PoE variant, which had some more delays.

[agile knoll]

Thanks

[wary pivot]

But CrowdSupply's shipping estimations have no good reputation in this community.

[keen parcel]

I understand my yellow will be shipping in January

It’ll be nice to finally have a use for the CM4 and NVMe gathering dust on my shelf.

🤞 neither of them are DOA because they’ve been there a while

[supple robin]

You can then possibly upgrade straight to the CM5

[fresh bough]

Why not wait even longer and upgrade to the CM6 ? 😉

[latent fern]

everyone will be running HA on moldy potatoes waiting for CMx+1

[fresh bough]

It's still better than a pi3 with SD card

[daring kelp]

https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/11/07/radxa-cm3-raspberry-pi-cm4-alternative/ would this be a good option for an HA yellow?

[wary pivot]

No. The software is not designed for that board. And hardware compatibilty is not tested or guaranteed.

[keen parcel]

Hey I’m running a mastodon instance on an SD card

[keen parcel]

And I’ll continue to do so until the constant I/O from postgreSQL cooks it

[fresh bough]

so 3.4 h then

good fun

[full crest]

I'm running zigbee2mqtt on the yellow, I can't have more than 40 devices, when I get to 41 it reboots and drops 2 of them. Any ideas?

[graceful zealot]

Are all the devices battery or do you have mains powered devices there too

[full crest]

13 are powered and I see the battery devices connect to them

14 actually

[fresh bough]

Using the onboard ZigBee radio?

I don't use a yellow, but I use zigbee2mqtt with 120+ devices

Sounds like a software issue though, I'll gander it is a radio vs software bug

[full crest]

Yup, using onboard. Z2m lists it as experimental I'm finding out. There's also a lot of new firmware for the chip. Should I try an update?

[fresh bough]

It is always a good idea to keep firmware updated

[full crest]

I wonder why it's so far back? I would think that home assistant would be updating it

https://github.com/NabuCasa/silabs-firmware

This is what I'm considering, currently on 6.10

[wanton tapir]

z2m support might be worse for any 7.x ezsp firmware as the there were some changes to the ezsp protocol as well. v8 > v9

[final pelican]

its over 2 months since the last update any word about a new update regarding the POE version?

[wary pivot]

@final pelican #yellow-archived message

[thick parrot]

On the livestream Paulus said they are on the cargo ship

[fresh bough]

Is that the same ship that I boarded in that resident evil game?

[full crest]

I see. Any suggestions?

[wanton tapir]

I sell efr based coordinators and don't recommend z2m for them 🤷🏼‍♂️

[full crest]

should i try zha then?

[fresh bough]

You'll probably have more luck with it with that chip

[full crest]

aight, thats a lot of automation to rewrite. oh well i guess

[hushed kayak]

#yellow-archivedFail?

[shut cedar]

Yeah I was considering jumping to 7.1.3.0, but since I've heard of Z2M issues, and not really aware of issues with 6.10.x I went the save way and left it as it.

[full crest]

Zha is going well so far, seems to have most of not all the features z2m has that I was using

[junior gulch]

yes, interested, just finally got mine, any points

[old haven]

We published a new update around Yellow https://www.crowdsupply.com/nabu-casa/home-assistant-yellow/updates/more-yellows-shipping-and-thread-plus-matter-updates

[trail cairn]

You figured it out before I understood that there is a different OS version of Home Assistant as Home Assistant OS Installer for Yellow (https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/reinstall-os/ = Option 2).

I ran that reinstall OS but ran into user issues as the CM4 would reboot after the install/upgrade from Home Assistant to Home Assistant Yellow and continued to blink the yellow LED in a hearbeat.

All's well now as the Home Assistant Yellow OS detected the Zigbee radio.

[near stump]

Anyone else have an issue where the D25 led near the ZigBee radio turns on solid and they can no longer access the web UI? I can ping the server but no UI or ssh. The factory reset didn't work either but I may have done that wrong. I tried playing with the multi protocol firmware and this happened soon after.

[mystic iron]

Is it possible to load the whole home assistant to the NVME and ignore the EMMC? From what I know the NVME is so much faster

[fresh bough]

From what I heard only if you don't have emmc

Otherwise you can only move the data disk

So a cm4 without emmc, sure everything on nvme

[wary pivot]

If the eMMC is empty (no software flashed) and the HAOS Yellow image is flashed to the NVMe directly (not using the USB method) the CM4 boot sequence should start the OS from the NVMe. Maybe the boot order of the CM4 needs to be changed.
https://www.hagensieker.com/wordpress/2022/04/17/booting-a-raspberry-pi-cm4-from-an-nvme/

The RPi-Imager has an option to flash a boot order change, if I remember correctly. 🤔

[mystic iron]

Would that be a suggested method?

[wary pivot]

It is no official installation method for the Yellow.

It would do no harm to flash HAOS Yellow to the NVMe (with a USB adapter) and leave the eMMC empty. If it doesn't work, you still can decide to modify the boot order of the CM4.

[pearl frigate]

make sure you do a firmware update on the z-pi 7, any questions just PM me

[compact quartz]

@mystic iron I'm not sure you gain any significant speed vs using the data move option

[mystic iron]

Right now im most worried about the Z2M support. Hopefully the firmware will be more stable, but ZHA just dont feel as capable yet

[safe parcel]

Yes. We need a way to migrate z2m in yellow that will also use the built-in radio.

[mystic iron]

On the Z2M discord they are not too optimistic that it will ever happen. I cant see Z2M would like to loose that big user group

[fresh bough]

Long live z2m and TI

[wary pivot]

A little bit of Z-Wave in my life... 🎷

[wary pivot]

Is that mentioned 40 device "limit" a common Z2M problem with Yellow's Zigbee radio or is it an individual issue?

[gilded mortar]

At https://yellow.home-assistant.io/support/#which-ssds-are-supported for the Crucial P5 1 GB is mentioned instead of 1 TB, just one letter difference 🙂

[dusk vortex]

Z2M doesn't have a 40 device limit. Every router you add to your network increases the total number of devices your network can have by like five or six, if not more. The coordinator device limit is only an issue if you plan on hooking up 40 sensors and not a single light bulb, outlet, relay, etc.

[wary pivot]

I meant the phenomenon ecto1a2003 had, not a real limit.

[dusk vortex]

Tons of people have networks with hundreds of devices, it's likely a problem with that one installation

[ornate orbit]

I'm trying to install Zigbee2MQTT as a docker container, but I'm having trouble with the Zigbee adapter. I thought it would be available under /dev/AMA1, but only a /dev/AMA0 exists (on the host). Also /dev/serial/by-id doesn't exist either

[compact quartz]

Did you install HA using the installer? @ornate orbit

[ornate orbit]

No, I just flashed an SSD with Pi Imager and booted from it

My CM4 has EMMC, but I checked and I'm booting from the SSD

[wary pivot]

What image did you use? The Raspberry Pi or the Yellow image?

[compact quartz]

It needs to be the image for the Yellow

for Yellow hardware

[wary pivot]

The Pi Imager just shows the regular Pi image and the Yellow installer. You need to download the Yellow image from GitHub and flash it to the SSD.
https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases/download/9.4/haos_yellow-9.4.img.xz

[ornate orbit]

Thanks, will do 👍

I installed the Pi OS lite because I only needed SSH

But that means I have to put the Internet and SSH config in the boot partition manually, right? Pi Imager provided a great interface for that

[fresh bough]

[ornate orbit]

@austere basalt? The Pi has to be connected to a Network and accept my ssh key (or a default password) or I won't be able to configure it. I always did that with a WPA*** config file that had to be created on the boot drive

[fresh bough]

Preferably you would not connect a server via wifi

[wary pivot]

So you are not using Home Assistant OS for the Yellow? It has some special settings for UART, afaik. And Pi OS lite might lack some drivers.

[fresh bough]

Pretty sure it isn't supported either

[ornate orbit]

Via LAN, you are right. That was just a temp solution for convenience during configuration

[fresh bough]

Then install the HAOS yellow OS for starters, and connect it to a switch and you'll be golden

[ornate orbit]

Does HA OS support running docker containers in it?

[ornate orbit]

Right. It didn't matter for Pi OS because you could just enter the WiFi credentials when flashing the OS

[wary pivot]

The add-ons are running as docker containers and you could run own containers with some tinkering. But it is not supported or recommended.

[ornate orbit]

Yeah I was worried about the "tinkering"

[fresh bough]

You have bought into an appliance, that has rules and requirements

[ornate orbit]

It's a Linux server. And the only issue I see is that I don't have the required drivers

Also using some smart devices in HomeAssistant is already breaking with their rules and requirements. Using a ZigBee adapter is also unintended

Is there anything else that might not work because I don't use HA OS? If only the ZigBee adapter doesn't work I might as well use my old one via USB

[wary pivot]

What Docker containers are you going to run? Some have already been "converted" to custom HA add-ons.

[mighty chasm]

what is everyones strategy on zwave with yellow? I currently have the aeotec 5 usb, but im considering donating a pi 3 and that for the people taking over my old home just for them to make it simpler to control the lights

[ornate orbit]

At least HomeAssistant, traefik, cloudflared, duplicati, pihole/adguard, gotify, grafana, influxdb, mariadb. But I wanted to play around with e.g. jellyfin and others

[graceful zealot]

Why do you say using a zigbee adaptor is unintended? HA supports a zigbee adaptor to work with its own built in integration

Also, a yellow is really not intended to run all of that stuff. A pi is a pi, it is not powerful. You should've saved your money and bought an old desktop or something to do it

[ornate orbit]

Intended by HomeAssistant, yes. But I was talking about how a lot of things I use with HomeAssistant right now originally want you to buy their ZigBee bridge. Or some other protocol. So an adapter is unintended by the manufacturer

[graceful zealot]

See the beauty with zigbee is although they say use their own coordinator, you can use any and that has to be intended behaviour (as its part of the standard)

[wary pivot]

I have a Z-Pi 7 waiting for the Yellow.

[mighty chasm]

never even heard about that, will check it out! thanks

[ornate orbit]

I don't have any issues running all these services. Heavy database usage? Video streaming? NextCloud? Sure that is a little much. But my CPU isnt really utilized, because most containers are in idle. I don't run a server with hundreds of clients

[graceful zealot]

And then you go to stream on jellyfin whilst its also doing other things (say you want to have it doing frigate) you'll find a Pi really is not good

Plus the yellow is an appliance, Its not a ready to use linux server

[ornate orbit]

"play around with jellyfin" as in I want to test it out and then think about buying a dedicated machine

[graceful zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-reply-discord-reply-off-discord-reply-gif-22150762

[ornate orbit]

I don't understand what you mean by that

[graceful zealot]

The yellow was intended to be used with HAOS, as a ready made appliance to use. Its not meant to be used to be a linux server. Things may not well or at all

[ornate orbit]

(I think you want me to stop pinging you? I don't know where to do that on mobile, so I will just not directly reply)

[graceful zealot]

The same place it is on desktop, right hand side of the replying to bar

[dusk vortex]

You totally can use it as a regular CM4 board and not use HA OS but you'd lose out on the Yellow-specific features of HA OS

[graceful zealot]

The @ on part

[graceful zealot]

Also may encounter issues given the hardware may not be supported in mainline distros

[wary pivot]

It's an Aeotec Pi HAT which uses the GPIO pins. You can find pictures of it in a Yellow here:
https://www.crowdsupply.com/nabu-casa/home-assistant-yellow/updates/z-wave-and-rename

[ornate orbit]

It was supposed to be used with HAOS, sure. But it's just a computer. I may fall on my face using it in another way, but it works just fine right now. I bought it because of the SSD slot and the built in ZigBee module

[fresh bough]

Which could have been achieved a lot faster and cheaper with any other hardware

[graceful zealot]

ebay

[ornate orbit]

And it is a Pi, so it uses less energy. As far as I have seen, thin clients and Nucs use more power

[fresh bough]

"more power" is relative

modern minicomputers can use less than 15w on average

and have a lot more headroom

heck, my DL380 Gen9 uses 95w average if I turn off the VMs

[ornate orbit]

Which are? The HA docs listed Core, OS, Core+Supervised and Docker as installation options. I know I loose the supervisor (and apparently the Zigbee driver lol), but is there anything else?

[dusk vortex]

The Zigbee chip talks over serial so you can probably configure that. At the moment, the only Yellow-specific features are auto-flashing of the Zigbee radio, but more will come.

[graceful zealot]

10wh more is really not much. 87.6kwh a year, or what is about $20 lol

[mighty chasm]

Looks good. In my new house I have so far manage to get zigbee so maybe I don’t need zwave this time.

[ornate orbit]

In idle a Pi4 consumes ~5W. Idk how much a yellow consumes in addition to that

[fresh bough]

so, 5w vs 15w

negligable

if you don't live in an RV

[graceful zealot]

See what I said above, its about $20

[ornate orbit]

I'm not that fast 🥲

[graceful zealot]

Fast?

[ornate orbit]

Typing and at the same time looking at replies

And using Google

[ornate orbit]

My calculation is probably wrong, but it's about 43€ per year more for me. For me that is not negligible

[fresh bough]

You should see my powerbill

I'm up to €5600 so far this year

[ornate orbit]

Thanks for the tip. Maybe I can get it working with some tinkering. And if that "more" will come, I might reconsider

[dusk vortex]

At the end of the day it's open software and hardware. If you like tinkering, have fun with it.

[wary pivot]

If you go the official HAOS way, at least Traefic and Jellyfin are available as custom add-ons. Duplicati has been deemed too hard to maintain by Frenck. And for gotify I haven't found an add-on. But you could install Portainer as a custom add-on and start own containers at your own risk.

[graceful zealot]

I forget European electric bills are stupid now.

Though even still, €3.50 a month, it's nothing. Just one less coffee a month

[wary pivot]

Don't make jokes about less coffee!

[ornate orbit]

Damn. Do you have Aircon and a Tesla?

[fresh bough]

No, I have an EV and a hybrid, but that is probably less than 5% of my power usage

[graceful zealot]

He's got a datacentre lol

[fresh bough]

I have 3 heatpumps and a datacenter though

but still my house uses 20% less than the average house my size

[ornate orbit]

A Datacenter? That's cool. Explains how that is pretty much 10x my energy consumption (if I remember correctly)

[fresh bough]

doesn't pull much, 9U active server and storage, 30u only powered as needed

pulls about 13-15kwh per day

negligable

compared to my 128kwh pulled yesterday

[wary pivot]

I've pulled 150kWh in two months. 😆

[keen parcel]

I did 120kwh in two days

[fresh bough]

We are currently at -13c

[keen parcel]

We’ve been at 37c

[fresh bough]

[daring kelp]

Can still smell the bratwurst

My cm4s arrived fr Germany

[mystic iron]

I have a 4GB CM4 if anyone wants in Norway. I got a 8GB too, but that is for me 🙂

[fleet cloud]

How much? Sweden here

[mystic iron]

Just marked regular marked price. Its not to make money, just sharing

[fresh bough]

marxism in pis

[latent fern]

From each according to his (RPI) stock, to each according to his (Yellow) needs

[wary pivot]

One CM4 to rule them all, one CM4 to find them, one CM4 to bring them all, and in the Yellow bind them.

[fresh bough]

_But the elves were tricked, because Mairon had turned off all the PCB factories _

[full crest]

does anyone have an idea of the max zigbee devices the yellow supports with ZHA? i keep having sensors falling off at 47 endpoints or so 17 of which are routers.

[fresh bough]

That sounds low

I have 80 or so routers here with 40 or so end devices, not on a yellow though, could probably easily add the double

[full crest]

i was on z2m previously couldn keep more than 38 devices

[dusk vortex]

There's no hard limit but at least a couple of hundred.

[full crest]

just lucky i guess

ill monitor and see if its the same devices over and over

[fresh bough]

What devices are you using?

[full crest]

hue bulbs and motion sensors, sonoff temp and humidity sensors, xfinity dor and window sensors, and some keen vents

[keen parcel]

I’m seeing a pattern here of Z2M on the yellow having issues with >40 devices

https://tenor.com/view/homer-gif-22373934

[fresh bough]

Mostly known ok stuff then

I do tradfri bulbs and buttons, Xiaomi motion, door, buttons, light, mmwave and some odd namrom and gledopto stuff

[full crest]

Seems to be some of the same devices repeated, I'll fully remove and re add and see what happens

[wary pivot]

Has anybody built a wall mount for the Yellow yet?

[foggy plinth]

2 part question. Let me know if it belongs in a different channel.

1 - I have a yellow with a pi CM4 zero, a compatible nVme SSD. Currently I am running HA on a roughly 7 year old Nuc but it's on its last leg. Starting to have random issues (hardware related). I just realized that the CM4 zero obviously doesn't have BT. I have other ESP32 BT proxies setup. Could I use one of these to plug into the yellow or does the yellow even need BT to do proxies or is a USB BT 5.0 dongle needed for the yellow?

2 - Can I simply take a backup from my Nuc and restore it to the yellow or would it be more involved? I have a ConBee ZigBee USB adapter running Zigbee2MQTT on my Nuc so from what I have read I would have to reset up every ZigBee device on the yellow due to the different adapter built into the yellow since Zigbee2MQTT doesn't have a backup option like ZHA has. Is this correct? I just want to make sure I have all my bases covered before switching. Thinking about setting up the remote (something) HACs add on which allows 2 HA instances to play nice on the same network but I know it's not officially supported.

[placid heath]

Not sure about #1.

#2, moving HA is simple, backup/restore. Looks like this thread covers migrating Z2M: https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/keypix/migrating_zigbee2mqtt_to_a_new_machine/

[graceful zealot]

For 1, why do you want the pi to have Bluetooth. The proxys achieve everything you need and you already have them set up

[fresh bough]

Can it do everything?

Couldn't do homekit controller with proxy last i checked

[graceful zealot]

I forget Homekit has Bluetooth

[foggy plinth]

@graceful zealot I just wasn't sure if the Yellow required Bluetooth or not. Both my previous HA instances (a raspberry pi 3 and now my old Intel NUC) had BT but I get what you're saying. The yellow doesn't require Bluetooth in order for the proxies to work. All the yellow needs is an Ethernet connection for everything to work as the proxies are connected to wifi on the same network. Thanks!

[graceful zealot]

Yeah yellow doesn't need Bluetooth as such. Its just a nice to have feature if you have those devices

[keen parcel]

whats bluetooth

seriously though, very annoying i have to pull all my proxy's back in and do a serial update for 2022.12

[fresh bough]

Why?

[supple robin]

because they require a manual upgrade via serial apparently for this single iteration of update

[fresh bough]

LOL

[full crest]

ZigBee update, some sensors fall off repeatedly. Some I've never had an issue with. Seems to coincide with a state change. Sometimes the sensors drops and reads repeatedly several times a minute. I don't see stability until I delete and re add the device. Ideas?

[full crest]

Re #2, I tried migrating my z2m install. It was a nightmare. Start from scratch. I also had issues using z2m on the yellow once I got to more than 38 devices so be weary about that. Zha is only slightly better I can keep around 55 of the 58 devices up at any one time. They eventually become unavailable because? I have to delete and re add them.

[fresh bough]

[dusky hollow]

I know the ATX standard includes 17ms minimum hangtime for motherboards but can anyone tell me if Home Assistant Yellow is capable of handling a power outage / blackout before a UPS/Inverter kicks in

[fresh bough]

Why not just have it connected to a ups that always delivers instead of switching?

[dusky hollow]

So far, I haven't come across a UPS that has inverter capabilities wherease the inverse is true. It thus comes down to affordability.

[fresh bough]

Really? You haven't seen an online ups at affordable prices?

Both of my cyber power are, at $70 and $140

1100 and 2200va respectively

[dusky hollow]

It isn't the online double conversion or zero transfer time that is at issue but how multiiple energy sources are handled (e.g. solar, wind, battery)

[fresh bough]

Oh, you want a ups with multiple inputs? Why not handle that at house level?

Or rather distribution level

Or even better, if it is the Poe yellow, have a dual input Poe switch

Or ac switcher in front of the Poe switch

[dusky hollow]

The Poe option sounds interesting, thanks

[fresh bough]

Heck, could even do Poe switch with AC and DC input

I design 110% uptime solutions, i have some good ideas

[dusky hollow]

Reading between the lines I am getting the impression that you feel zero transfer time is a must?

[graceful zealot]

So you're saying don't run your servers without a UPS? 😛

[wary pivot]

No risk, no fun!

[fresh bough]

I work with systems that have dual or triple line input, with triple site redundancy, transfer time doesn't matter that much to me

[fresh bough]

Yaas queen

[graceful zealot]

Speaking of which @fresh bough I need to get a UPS for my new server. Will bug you to help me get a good one

[fresh bough]

Oh no

[keen parcel]

the yellow ships with a 12v 2A power supply, but the crowd supply page has a 12v 3A power supply available for purchase as well

if I buy myself an after-market 12v 3A with the same barrel size and polarity, I assume this is safe to use? (not an electronics guy)

I would buy it through crowd supply, but I'd like to receive it before I die of old age 🙂

[foggy plinth]

@full crest Thanks for your feedback and experience, based on what I had read you had to completely redo Zigbee2MQTT even if you just switched adapters or did a firmware update to your existing adapter like my current Deconz USB ZigBee adapter. I went with z2m over ZHA because it supports more devices than ZHA and allows you to do firmware updates to some but not all ZigBee devices. While ZHA allows backups it appears restoring them to another adapter after moving to the Yellow isn't ideal based on your experience anyways. Luckily I only have 8 ZigBee devices in Z2M anyway so I will just redo that when it comes time to do so. 56 devices sounds like a lot more fun but 8 should be pretty straight forward. I've actually got 4 more ZigBee devices but I'm going to wait until I move to the yellow before adding them for that very reason.

[full crest]

ZigBee trouble update. My sensors occasionally swing from unavailable to stale information. I have to manually resync or delete them as this happens. This is getting really annoying. Should I switch zha to my conbee 2 adapter I have? Should I put a formal bug in? Thoughts?

[fresh bough]

for once a Conbee sounds like a better option

would never have thought I would say that

you should make an issue yes

[full crest]

Is there a yellow specific GitHub to make a bug at or just the normal ha one?

[fresh bough]

@shut cedar or @light sluice might know

[shut cedar]

Regular ZHA/Core bug tracker. Did you run the same setup before with ZHA? If so, what radio?

[full crest]

I was running z2m for a bit with the stock yellow radio. Ran into an issue where devices would disappear after 28 items or so. Made the switch to zha and am now seeing all kinds of issues. Before the yellow I was running conbee 2 on a container and z2m. Worked wonderfully, I'll try migrateing to the conbe 2 tomorrow and run that way for a bit to eliminate possibilities

[shut cedar]

Hm it's unlikely Yellow specific, I'd say as its a SiLabs radio just like others. Changing stack and radio makes it hard to pinpoint..

[full crest]

First 12 hours or so on the conbee 2 seem uneventful after doing a few re pairings after the radio switch.

Seems to have lost some range tho, even from the routers. Used to have a sensor at my mailbox. But it can't seem to reach now.

[fresh bough]

[full crest]

Still fine ... So must be a bug wit the onboard radio of some king. I'll get some logs and whatnot together for an issue on GitHub

[keen parcel]

where's my yellowphant

my nvme arrived today

i literally just need the yellow now

[graceful zealot]

Santa is delayed and will bring it Christmas 2026

[keen parcel]

perfect timing for the CM6 release!

[wary pivot]

So you are saying, we should pre-order our Yellow 2 soon?

Rumors say, it will have Power-over-WiFi, 10GBit-NIC, integrated 30 days UPS and unlimited power.

[fresh bough]

No Xeon? Pathetic

Also 10Gbit is so 2005, where is my 25/40/100/200/400 at?

[keen parcel]

By 2026 if it’s not a quantum SBC I wouldn’t even bother

[velvet vessel]

are we allowed to sell our HA Yellows in here?

i purchased the standard kit with cm4, but decided to also order the poe version, so im waiting for that to come in and id like to sell my unused standard yellow kit

not sure if its against the rules though, so i dont want to piss anyone off!

[compact quartz]

@velvet vessel should be fine. If someone in here notices...

What part of the world are you in?

[velvet vessel]

In the US in Louisiana

[compact quartz]

Ok, I'll keep an eye out

[tender arrow]

So what's the latest shipping update? Is it really not possible to give us a better estimate? Or is it really not going to ship for more than another month? Crowd Supply is definitely the worst backer platform I've ever encountered 🤣

[storm prawn]

With the temperature issues in the POE version of the yellow that have been mentioned in the latest update on Crowdsupply can you give us any indication as to what operating temperature is expected, and what ambient temperature can cause issues? I live in Australia and we get temperatures as high as 40 degrees in the summer..will it operate in a non air-conditioned rooms without stability issues?

[supple robin]

it will be very close to throttling at least

[keen parcel]

Is it only an issue if using POE?

I’m not planning on using mine

I have not read the update

[fresh bough]

Guessing the DC/DC converter generates a lot of heat in s enclosed space without fans

[keen parcel]

I was planning on running this in a tv unit

[fresh bough]

Fanless is great with proper heat sinks, plastic case? Not so much

[keen parcel]

I’m in the tropics in Australia

Well, subtropics

[fresh bough]

Does the Poe case have design differences perhaps

Heatsink in the lid make sense

[keen parcel]

Can I slap a heat sink on the POE chip?

[fresh bough]

If it has a contact surface I don't see why not, but it is still inside the case, a thermal conduit going outside the chassis might help

[keen parcel]

I must say, if I were a less tolerant man I would consider invoking our consumer law

[fresh bough]

I'll stick to my water cooled closed loop 8 GPU servers thank you

[keen parcel]

A product that’s 9 months late, and now likely won’t operate properly in our climate

[supple robin]

those poe - usb adapters at least generate a lot of heat, i ditched them because of this reason

[keen parcel]

Where is this update? It’s not on crowd supply.

[fresh bough]

Poe usb? What in tarnation

[supple robin]

poe -> usb-c with ethernet

[fresh bough]

Yikes

[keen parcel]

Or are the first batch of POE’s affected by this issue, and it’s been corrected for future production runs?

If so that’s kind of fucked

[fleet cloud]

If you use a power supply with the poe version, will the overheating still take place? I bought the poe to avoid a second cable but if it overheats with poe this just adds to the mess that is the yellow project

[fresh bough]

I'm gonna guess it doesn't happen with external PSU

[keen parcel]

I’ll have one of the fixed ones thanks

[fresh bough]

Aussie edition

Bushfire special

[fleet cloud]

I live in a poorly ventilated Swedish house. I would like the same

[keen parcel]

That paragraph in the update is ambiguous as hell

It implies the issue was detected during testing and corrected by the production partner before the run started

[violet fractal]

Any luck yet? Haven't looked into the Yelllow yet, cuz I have 2 solid instances running, but may be interested. I'm north of the lake from NOLA. You can shoot me a DM with the specs or a link to which kit it is if you still have it. Thanks!

@compact quartz (hey bro! Long time🫡 )

[velvet vessel]

poe ones werent shipped because they found the issue before production i beilieve

first batch of poe is supposed to ship in january iirc

but here is the latest update on new non poe orders:

Home Assistant Yellow
This flagship version of Home Assistant Yellow is ready to go out of the box. It comes pre-assembled in a custom enclosure with a Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 (CM4) and a custom heat sink for fanless, silent operation. The CM4 is a version without wireless and has 2 GB RAM and 16 GB eMMC storage, pre-installed with Home Assistant. All you need to get started is to plug in the power supply and the Ethernet cable, both of which are included. This variant does not have Power-over-Ethernet.

$185 $10 US Shipping / $20 Worldwide
Orders placed now ship Mar 31, 2023.
Supports Zigbee 3.0, OpenThread, and Matter

[silver lichen]

I love yellow 💛

[calm herald]

Hallo - I use a Yellow (non POE) with an 8 GB CM4 Module (version with WiFi) and an 1 TB Samsung M.2-SSD.
All 1....2 weeks the system crashes and only way I found so far is voltage supply interruption.
When I look in the Log-Files there is no hint - beside data are missing from a certain point in time on and Pi-Data for Load and Heat do not show any hint what is happening.
Does anyone have an idea what to do? Can I access the supervisor somehow in that state for further investigation?

[shut cedar]

Is the system still responding to ping when it happens?

What can be useful is to enable the system monitor integration to see what CPU and memory load have been just before the crash:

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/systemmonitor/

[keen parcel]

I love lamp 🛋️

[fresh bough]

Linux Apache MySQL PHP?

You nasty

[calm herald]

Thank you for the PING-hint. Systemmonitor is running and does not show any specific change before it stalls.
Probably I have to way 1-2 weeks to test again - the good thing is that it happens seldom, but it makes it difficult to investigate.

[wary pivot]

Your Yellowfant feels neglected.

[dark orchid]

Hi, does someone know about the status of SkyConnect? I got mine for two weeks now and am still not able to use it 🙈

[dusk vortex]

What are you having problems with?

[dark orchid]

It is disabled because of some firmware problems

With a link to this blog post: https://developers.home-assistant.io/blog/2022/12/08/multi-pan-rollback/

[dusk vortex]

Multi-PAN isn't auto-configurable but it's still very functional as a normal Zigbee radio out of the box

[dark orchid]

Ah okay i didn't know that... Looked for me like the whole dongle doesn't work. Then i will try again

Thank you for the hint

[latent fern]

It worked right out of the box for me with zha, and by using the experimental driver for z2m

As a regular zigbee coordinator

[tender arrow]

Yellow seems on their way to Belgium!

(I did not order anything else from mouser and it seems to be in Texas at the moment)

[wheat parcel]

Zooz is trying to setup an HA Yellow to support their customers and having trouble. Is anyone good at troubleshooting these and wants to help them by email?

“The Yellow lights up in solid red and green but it doesn't blink or light up in yellow at all. We checked all of the connections and troubleshooting available online. Is there anything in particular we should be doing to get the yellow LED to light up?”

[abstract wharf]

Cool. Me too. Just got the notification but should already be here by tomorrow (NL).

[shut cedar]

Probably a boot issue, without context hard to tell what is wrong. Probably best if they write to our support.

Good to hear that Yellows are shipping again 🎉 ! This is the second shipment which is processed 👍

[wary pivot]

Are those still the non-PoE ones?

[abstract wharf]

Looks like it. Mine was scheduled for the 27th of Jan, but just shipped.

[wheat parcel]

Write to support how? As far as I know the only options are the Community, GitHub, and here.

[wary pivot]

[e-mail]

[wheat parcel]

I’ll pass that along

[shut cedar]

PoE are in the third shipment, they are still in transit.

[compact quartz]

@wheat parcel or you can invite them here and ping me

[wheat parcel]

I’m told someone from HA is in contact, so I’ll let the official channel handle it. I’m not sure why they also emailed us (zwavejs)

[compact quartz]

@wheat parcel It will be me who replies to the email 🙂

It is having to do with the zooz 800lr gpio module? Because I just received one for myself to try

[wheat parcel]

Ah. alcalzone said someone was in touch with them

[compact quartz]

ah ok

[wheat parcel]

I don’t think so. They can’t even get it to boot. We’ve been trying to get them to run HA somewhere on something for over a year so they have some reference.

[stoic skiff]

Hey, This is Bartek from the Zooz team 🙂 I will shoot you an email tomorrow about the Yellow. So far we have two solid LEDs green and red, and that would be it 🙂

[compact quartz]

@stoic skiff I messaged you directly here if you'd like to continue there tomorrow instead

[stoic skiff]

Got it! Thanks!

[crimson quiver]

Oh wow! Just got the notification that it should come to Warsaw on Friday. Already forgot that I’ve ordered one 😄

[wheat parcel]

@stoic skiff while you’re here, the #zwave-archived channel is one where a lot of people talk about devices and support and such. It’s a good place to send people when they need live help about HA specific things

[eternal quiver]

Finally shipped my HA Yellow

[opaque summit]

With the new bluetooth stuff will you consider selling Yellow that has CM4 with wireless just for the bluetooth or does it make more sense to use usb extension and external adapter?

[wary pivot]

They won't. The certification is valid for the non-wifi CM4 only. Using it anyways is up to the user.

Compatible with all 32 variants - Regulatory approval does not cover wireless variants

[wintry stream]

Is the Silicon Labs Multiprotocol addon fixed yet?

[dusk vortex]

We're still working with Silicon Labs to fix the firmware

[wintry stream]

Any ETA?

[dusk vortex]

Nope 😄 (but hopefully some time in January)

[latent fern]

[dusk orchid]

evening fair gentlepeople
i purchased a tuya zigbee airkeeper thingy. and i only see the VOC reading added to the dashboard. is there a way to map its other sensors?
(apparently the formaldehyde and co2 are reversed or something)

[dusk vortex]

You'll get more help with Zigbee stuff in #zigbee-archived (but if you're using a Tuya device with ZHA, it probably just isn't supported yet, since Tuya devices implement a proprietary protocol on top of Zigbee and each device needs to be reverse engineered and explicitly supported)

[dusk orchid]

yeah.
😦
i know. im sorry. but all the discussions there assume im buying the tuya zigbee gateway. which id prefer not to since it kinda defeats the purpose of a yellow

[dusk orchid]

well that sucks.

[dusk vortex]

Not at all, nobody in #zigbee-archived ever suggests to buy Tuya/Aqara/etc. gateways because there's not much to discuss after you do. If a device doesn't work with one of them, there's nothing to do.

[tender arrow]

Just got an invoice from FedEx to pay tax, however Crowd Supply already took care of that AFAIK? Anyone else in Belgium/Europe that encountered this?

I see @limpid sequoia @lucid viper @dusk tiger @warped barn mentioned it earlier, but not sure how it ended for you...

[pulsar schooner]

I had to pay import duty in Canada on mine

[lunar lichen]

Same here. Just received an invoice of 21.99€ from FedEx. Would be interesting to know how to handle it.
From checking the CrowdSupply order I can see that they charged already 26.60$ tax + 20$ shipping. My expectation was that there is no additional payment necessary.

[graceful zealot]

https://www.crowdsupply.com/guide/fulfillment-and-logistics#vat-and-customs

They say it's covered

[lunar lichen]

Yep. That's why I am surprised 🙃.
I just used the contact form on the CrowdSupply website and ask for explanation and guidance... Let's see if and what they answer.

[graceful zealot]

They probably won't answer for a while. Given its the holiday period right now

[wary pivot]

Have they ever answered?

[fresh bough]

[harsh light]

Hey, can someone say from where are the international Yellow orders shipped? I'm getting a package with FedEx that I have no idea what the hell it could be - it's coming from Grand Prairie, TX.

Ha! Sorry, no worries, it has appeared as shipped now on Crowd Supply! Now that I know what it is, I can do customs...

[limpid sequoia]

@tender arrow I got 3 yellows (because my friends couldn't make up their minds and I had to order each one separately) and all 3 came right to my doorstep without any customs fuzz or such.
And as LKuech said we already paid whats due during ordering, so I'd say CS screwed up proper declaration of the package and its status (or to be fair to CS Fedex could have entered the worn info about the package into their system)
either way, someone owes you your money back

[graceful zealot]

Hmm a thought with this. Could you contact FedEx and show you've paid tax on it and see what they say?

[tribal stirrup]

I want to cut the power of in my house (temporarily). How do I shutdown/turn back on correctly?

(For home assistant yellow)

[fresh bough]

I've been forcefully rebooting my ha container / venv for 4 years

Yet to have issues

[tribal stirrup]

By forceful you mean just disconnect the power and ignore? 😂

[fresh bough]

Well, docker restart homeassistant or just sudo reboot of the host

I also have dual local and dual off site backups, that I've yet have to use

[keen parcel]

that's crazy town

coo coo bananas

[wary pivot]

Settings - System - Hardware - 3-dot-menu - Shutdown system

[tribal stirrup]

Thanks!

[wary pivot]

To turn on, just plug in the power.

[supple robin]

Docker stop and restart just send a process stop signal which is actually graceful, docker kill would be forced

[fresh bough]

don't break my fun!

[wary pivot]

Happy New Year, dear Yellowers!

[soft fulcrum]

Happy new year!

My Yellow arrived 2 days ago here in the UK .... unfortunately BROKEN. I have left details via twitter, crowd supply, & FB but so far no response. 😫

[graceful zealot]

What's actually broken?

Also nabu casa is probably the best contact for this

Either here or their support contact

[wary pivot]

The Yellow with the broken heatsink pin? You should contact Nabu Casa at [e-mail] .

[soft fulcrum]

Broken heatsink pin

[soft fulcrum]

Thank you - I have emailed them. 🤞

[mighty chasm]

If you owned a server would you still use yellow if you hadnt ordered one?

[fresh bough]

[wary pivot]

Depends on if the server is running 24/7 anyways.

[fresh bough]

People have servers that don't?

[wary pivot]

Some like to tinker around with them or just start them as needed.

[fresh bough]

That's called a lab

I have one of those too

[wary pivot]

Or a Minecraft server 🤣

[fresh bough]

Thankfully don't have any of those

[mighty chasm]

yes, it run 24/7

I have home assistant running on a VM on it today but I thought that yellow would be safer as a server can always struggle 🙂

i already got cm4 but while planning my rack I was just wondering if I really need a yellow

as I have done some more research and I might convert my small serevr into a 4u server at some point 🙂

[graceful zealot]

Your server will struggle less than a CM4 most likely

[fresh bough]

definition of "server" might be relevant too, if it is a DL360 G4p it is ewaste, if it is from this decade it might be usable, if it is a desktop with an ssd it is also acceptable, yet probably more prone to failure

[keen parcel]

Have any of the POE units shipped yet?

[graceful zealot]

It's only 2023 after all 😂

[fresh bough]

Give it three more years

[delicate cape]

I am considering going from a regular pi to the HA Yellow. I couldn't find clear information about one point that I find relevant. If I get a RPI CM 4 with eMMC storage (say, 16gb), and then I add a nve SSD, can HA be installed on the eMMC and use the SSD to store user data like history, long term statistics & energy data? Is there even a point in that? If not, the compute module without storage seems a better option.

[fresh bough]

Afaik you can do data move, but haos itself will live on the emmc

[compact quartz]

Yes, that's how the "data move" option works and it is not as finicky as trying to boot the whole system from SSD, where more compatibility issues come into play

[delicate cape]

@compact quartz is there any disadvantage of having the OS in the eMMC and the user data in the SSD? Also, where would addons, which are docker containers, live? What happens if the SSD is removed, I only loose historic data but the rest works as usual?

[compact quartz]

It's nicely separated between the read only parts of the system and the read/write part (which is the /data partition)

So your /data partition is moved to the SSD. That's where everything that gets written lives

the config directory, all add-on data, etc

database

If you remove the SSD it would be similar to deleting the config directory.

you would be at onboarding again

[delicate cape]

I dig that actually

8gb of eMMC seems too little. Can I consider the 16gb considered enough or should I go for the 32gb?

[compact quartz]

8GB is going to be just enough. I would go with 16 if the plan is to move data. 32 would be my recommendation if there were no SSD to move to

But it's also hard to find, so you might take whatever becomes available and go from there

[delicate cape]

CM4 is somewhat findable. Any other raspberry pi is just nowhere to be seen

[tender arrow]

I still did not hear from Crowd Supply but cogneato said he would try to check, I suggest you mail [e-mail].

[hazy bear]

Hi there. I’m attempting getting an Yellow but I am so confused about Bluetooth connectivity. In the description page on CrowdSupply says:

Home Assistant Yellow does not have integrated Bluetooth or Wi-Fi.

However I checked the spec of MGM210P from Silicon Labs and it does support Bluetooth 5.1. Do I need to get a wireless CM4 in order to talk to BLE sensors?

[tender arrow]

Yes (or better: get a high performance USB adapter)

[fresh bough]

Or use something more flexible like esp32 with Bluetooth proxy

[tender arrow]

What the person above me said. Literally just set up an M5STACK atom lite, I had no clue it was so easy and useful.

[hazy bear]

Thanks for the input. I’m gonna take the ESP route

[storm thistle]

Hi, does Home Assistant Yellow hardware come with a licence, if so is it detailed anywhere. I am guessing its Open Source https://www.crowdsupply.com/nabu-casa/home-assistant-yellow#:~:text=This all sounds,the project progresses but its not clear

[fresh bough]

You mean a LTU?

HA has no licensing

In the software licence key context

[storm thistle]

I can see software licence as https://www.home-assistant.io/developers/license/ but was not sure if same applied to Hardware , eg ability to use Home Assistant Yellow in packaged products for resell to 3rd parties.

[wary pivot]

For commercial purposes you should contact Nabu Casa directly. They can help you with licencing or B2B stuff.

[storm thistle]

thanks will do

[wary pivot]

[e-mail]

[blazing aurora]

I want to connect my Aeotec Z-Wave dongle, but don't find any information as to dev location i.e. /dev/tty.... for the two USB A ports. Is this listed somewhere? I searched but didn't find it.

[wary pivot]

You can look at Settings - System - Hardware - 3-dot-menu - All Hardware. I'd expect it to be ttyACM0 or 1.

You can find the /dev/serial/by-id/ path there.

[tribal stirrup]

Hi all, I'm using Spotify Connect trough the audio jack in home assistant yellow, however the volume is very low. Any idea why? Has anyone tested this?

I did a comparison between my laptop and home assistant with the same headphones, both with volume at max on spotify but got two different volumes

[fresh bough]

What ohmage headphones?

[fluid sedge]

The hardware docs say it's a line-out, not a headphone jack
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/yellow-v1.2-standard/

You'd need to use a headphone amp, connect it to powered speakers, or connect it to something else that expects line-out

[fresh bough]

The spec only mention 2v rms

Which is pretty common output if memory serves right from fixing amps 20 years ago

[tribal stirrup]

hmm, I only used the headphones for testing. I'm connecting it to a sound system that came with my house. Reading that system doc, it seems that it should amplify, so I'm not sure why it's also low in that system

it says input sensitivity 1Vrms and impedance 30ohm. Could this be the problem?

[fresh bough]

That sounds like normal headphones

[tribal stirrup]

so the only solution to connect to this system is headphone amps right?

[blazing aurora]

thanks, I looked under hardware, but it didn't show until I selected all hardware from the 3 dots.

[compact quartz]

@tribal stirrup do you have the ssh add-on? something like ha audio volume output --volume 35 --index 0 might change it

try ha audio info first

[tribal stirrup]

Thanks, will try it tomorrow!

[keen parcel]

Where’s my yellowphant

[tribal stirrup]

it was already maxed out. I think I'll just return the cable as buying a headphone amp just for this is not worth it :/

[tribal stirrup]

On another note, how’s everyone experience with zigbee2mqtt on the yellow? I have a device that seems will be buggy with Zha (https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/1854) and works with z2m. But Im wondering if I won’t have problems in the future once I start using thread

(I haven’t wired the neutral yet so I can’t test the device)

And please tell me if this fits #zigbee-archived better 😛

[fresh bough]

I love zigbee2mqtt,not on a yellow and with a Texas instruments coordinator mind you

[safe parcel]

How is the os for Yellow being built? Is it the same buildroot system?

[compact quartz]

@safe parcel yes. It's simply another board in the list with an image for it https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases

[minor meadow]

I just unboxed and plugged up my #yellow-archived which appears to boot fine. However I'm adding add-ons like file editor and they fail to start - the listening address according to the log is http://0.0.0.0:8099 which as far as I know is not valid. Also a side by side comparison to a virtual manchine install the file editor runs fine in the integrated environment. Do I need to do additional steps to integrate and it to work in #yellow-archived?

[fluid sedge]

0.0.0.0 means it listens on all IPs which is normal. Is there an error in the add-on log?

[fresh bough]

Also, what cm4 do you have? Hopefully not a 2GB one

[minor meadow]

No it appears to have a normal startup - but when I go to the sidebar to start it it says "Add-on is not running. Please start it first" which "OK" takes me to the info page for file editor and I'm presented with "Start" or "Unistall" ; repeated bangning on the start has no effect.

[minor meadow]

Not sure - looking under the hardware tab it indeed shows 0.6 GB/2 GB which I take to mean its using .6 GB off a 2GB one - only other notable thing is that there is a message in response to "configure" on the Hardware/Home assistant Yellow tab that says "This hardware options are temporarily disable while we fix a bug"....Multi-pan temporarily disabled (as of 12/8/22 Maybe not so good?

[fluid sedge]

The Listening on: http://0.0.0.0:8099 is normally the last line you'll see in the log if everything is running okay. Try checking the supervisor logs to see if there's any indication of the docker container dying somehow
https://my.home-assistant.io/redirect/logs/

This is the message where it'd be starting up in the Supervisor log:
23-01-05 19:21:38 INFO (SyncWorker_7) [supervisor.docker.addon] Starting Docker add-on homeassistant/aarch64-addon-configurator with version 5.4.2

[fresh bough]

Yeah,the vscode addon will consume almost all your memory then @minor meadow

Don't expect to run many addons

[wary pivot]

Is the multi-pan firmware still disabled in 2023.1?

[loud swift]

Yeah, the relevant UI still says it's disabled.

[inner orbit]

On the subject of the Yellow Zigbee and the multi-pan firmware, I seem to have screwed up my ability to use the Yellow Zigbee . I opted in for the multi-pan firmware at the beginning of Dec which obviously flashed new firmware to the radio. Over Christmas I factory reset my Home Assistant Yellow. Now I get an 'Unknown Error Occurred' when setting up the Yellow Zigbee integration😫 .

[wary pivot]

Have you flashed the Zigbee-only EmberZNet firmware?

https://github.com/NabuCasa/silabs-firmware/wiki/Flash-Silicon-Labs-radio-firmware-manually

Factory resetting the Yellow won't reset the radio's firmware.

[ornate sedge]

Is there a known person I can talk to about changing my order? I dumbly ordered the "kit" which doesn't come with the CM4 and I meant to order it that way

Asking here in hopes I can fix it before the crowdsupply website notices I goofed up

I was now able to find this page, which I think does what I want https://www.crowdsupply.com/contact/change-order

Please @ me if responding to this

[eternal quiver]

Can someone check their processor temp on the HA yellow? Mine is around 55 celcius.

[dusk vortex]

46C for me. Why do you ask?

[daring kernel]

I just got my yellow setup and working fine. Is it possible to partition the ssd and install docker as well? I'd like to run this on the yellow as well https://gitlab.com/elad.bar/DahuaVTO2MQTT. Any guides or how-tos would be greatly appreciated. I am a total novice. Thank you.

[fluid sedge]

You can't run arbitrary Docker containers on HAOS. It would have to be provided as an add-on

[daring kernel]

Right, I want to run this entirely outside of HAOS but on the same raspberrypi in my yellow. how do I install docker there while not breaking haos?

[fresh bough]

You can't

You chose an appliance

Either create an add-on, or... Run your own install of base os and run containers, albeit I'm pretty sure it wasn't straightforward to do that either last i heard

[daring kernel]

ok thanks. i will get another raspberrypi

[graceful zealot]

Or a mini PC

[daring kernel]

good call. it's impossible to find a raspberrypi now

[inner orbit]

Sorted and thanks! Had a quick search for people with the same issue and found none, missed the GitHub page with the manual update instructions. When I factory reset it wasn't to try and fix Zigbee more out of curiosity to test the process and give a refresh to my install, breaking the Zigbee was a side effect of doing so.

[mystic vale]

Does anyone know the dimensions (specifically thickness) of the thermal pads used in Yellow? I'd like to replace my CM4 with a beefier one, and want to make sure I order the right thickness pads.

[compact quartz]

@mystic vale saw your submitted email. I imagine its 1.5 or 2 mm but hold tight and it can be confirmed

[hybrid sluice]

For everyone with a yellow, how are you liking it so far? Does is seem to be more reliable than the standard pi 4 SSD situation?

[supple robin]

More reliable? You might need to investigate because my pi4 with ssd is rock solid

[fresh bough]

It should be a rough 1-1 comparison tbh, unless there is fudged soldering on the yellow PCB

[bold light]

Hi, my Yellow seems to be stuck, solid red LED, green 4 slow, 5 fast blinks

I already tried the red button at startup 5 sec, and the 15 sec both buttons

any suggestions?

[fluid sedge]

https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/yellow-leds/ -> https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/configuration.html#led-warning-flash-codes

Fatal firmware error

[bold light]

what can I do to fix this error, I tried the rpiboot approach

[ornate sedge]

This is the correct path to use to get your order changed. Support was helpful and was even able to just charge me the difference to upgrade

Bravo!

[lament lily]

Question: has HA changed from Blue to Yellow now?
The HA Blue ODROID N2+ seems to be discontinued...

[compact quartz]

@lament lily the blue was a bundle of Odroid n2+ with HA preinstalled and a nice case. The case is not made anymore. You can still get an Odroid n2+

Just search for vendors online which can ship to you.

Some still bundle HA

The Yellow is a step up from that offering and a little more custom

[lament lily]

I already have the blue, for a year now. I was curious about the future of blue but found the answer after more digging/reading...

What is the difference with Home Assistant Yellow?
We partnered with a single-board computer (SBC) manufacturer to introduce Home Assistant Blue, our first foray into creating hardware that runs Home Assistant. Home Assistant Blue was always meant to be a limited edition and its production has been discontinued.

Though Home Assistant Blue has been limited, we will continue to support it and, just like Home Assistant Yellow, it is able to run the latest version of Home Assistant.

[graceful zealot]

As long as HA works on an odroid or on a Pi then the blue or yellow respectively will work

[valid mirage]

Has anyone made a printable rackmount for the yellow yet?

I see it's on https://www.thingsinrack.com/ but I'd like to print my own if possible

[wary pivot]

A wallmount would also be nice

[steady delta]

Any news on shipping for Yellow POE? Anyone get a shipping notification yet?

It's definitely early in the month, so I'm not actually expecting anyone got them yet but figured I'd ask!

[keen parcel]

Nada

[fresh bough]

Nada casa?

[latent fern]

homeless

[fresh bough]

Great song from a great album

[vapid tulip]

Got my yellow in Australia about a week ago - popped in a 32GB eMMC+ 8GB RAm CM4 + 500GB nvme drive. Man, such an improvement from the old Pi 3B+. Really enjoying it, easy set up, no issues. Long wait but it's real!

[fresh bough]

Yeah, anything is an improvement from a 3b+ (that is supported with ha)

[vapid tulip]

It was great for seeing what HA is all about.

[wary pivot]

Where is @keen parcel' Yellowfant? 😎

[keen parcel]

I have pretty much that exact same setup (when my yellow arrives)

Did you get the wifi cm4?

[pulsar schooner]

Does the Yellow box not work correctly with an RTL-SDR? For some reason I don't get any events, despite rtl-433 seeing the plugged in dongle and being able to connect to the MQTT server to publish stuff to. I have my own add-on that wraps up rtl-433 and does custom stuff with it, but even if I use other add-ons I can't seem to get anything out? It seems to work fine on other devices

[heavy niche]

Whats the suggested config for the Yellow M2 slot, an SSD drive or an AI accelerator? I have the 8 GB CM4 with 32 GB storage.

[vapid tulip]

Yes but I have no need for the wifi. Not sure if it is disabled by default or can/should be

[tender arrow]

AI accelerator like Google Coral won't work

[gaunt vigil]

So I can't seem to get past the initial setup (preparing phase) on my prebuilt home assistant yellow. I tried connecting it via a usb hub to a screen and keyboard to attempt to do this fix https://community.home-assistant.io/t/solution-to-a-hanged-preparing-home-installation-screen-during-new-install-on-a-raspberry-pi-4-dns-fix/273803 but I'm not getting it to connect to the display properly.
Any ideas on what I should do? It feels like this isn't too difficult a fix if I can just get a terminal on the yellow and run some commands

[heavy niche]

I guess that answers the question. SSD drive it is.

[tribal horizon]

They have any updates on when the yellow poe will ship? Last thing on the page was January.

nm, looked and the order says est ship Jan 27.

[steady delta]

I was skeptical this was true, but turns out it is! https://www.crowdsupply.com/nabu-casa/home-assistant-yellow/updates/thank-you-video-demo-and-google-coral

[tribal horizon]

cm4 gives you a PCIe lane. I've got a couple running on waveshare base-b boards with a 20 dollar 128gb samsung m.2 ssd. way quicker. You will need to image the ssd like you image an sdcard, so you need an adapter for that. Still cheap and the pi boots crazy fast.

[wary pivot]

Yellow has no display output (without soldering). You can use a serial console to get a terminal.
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/use-serial-console-windows/
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/use-serial-console-linux-macos/

[rocky frigate]

Hi, might be a stupid question..
I have installed yellow with CM4 (with storage) and a M2 SSD (1tb, I know... overkill but pricewise it was a goood deal!). The problem is that the SSD is not showing up

[wary pivot]

What SSD did you use? And is it a NVMe or SATA?

[rocky frigate]

NVMe

WD Black SN850 M.2 NVMe SSD 1TB to be precise

[wary pivot]

It is known as not compatible.

https://yellow.home-assistant.io/support/#which-ssds-are-supported

[rocky frigate]

Oh shoooot.. 😦

How unlucky can you be haha! Well, I will find another use case for it 🙂

To be sure, will a WD Blue SN570 250GB NVMe SSD work? 🙂

No known issues?

[wary pivot]

At least someone reported one variant of WD Blue SN570 as working. Samsung ones seem to be a safe call.

[rocky frigate]

Ok thanks a lot 🙂

[wary pivot]

But that user didn't mention the used size.

[rocky frigate]

I will go for a Samsung 980 250GB M.2 NVMe SSD

[heavy niche]

Thanks. The ideal setup then seems to be the SSD HD and a USB Coral accelerator.

[steady delta]

That is my plan as well! Finally was able to order an accelerator just yesterday.

[royal wind]

That would be me. Ive a 1TB running fine for a few months now

[gaunt vigil]

Thanks, I'll try that

[gaunt vigil]

that worked (once I realized I had to use the uuid when using nmcli ), thanks a bunch!

[tender arrow]

Update: Crowd Supply replied to my mail and paid back the VAT/taxes on my order.

[wary pivot]

Good news

[graceful zealot]

<@&330946878646517761>

[umbral pine]

Hi there,
i recieved my Yellow late last year and to be honest i don't really have a use for it anymore, so i am looking to give it to a friend. He wants to know how much ram the thing has, and i looked it it and can't actually tell. Is there any way to know which CM4 variant is installed without actually setting the thing up or ripping the heatsink off? Do they all come with the same module?

[fluid sedge]

If you bought the prebuilt one, it's 2GB
https://www.crowdsupply.com/nabu-casa/home-assistant-yellow#products

[umbral pine]

Thank you, wasn't able to find it myself!

[keen parcel]

11 days until my POE yellow is due to ship 🤞

[graceful zealot]

Inb4 12 month delay

[keen parcel]

Mouser has lost your shipment

Mouser is routing your shipment via the moon

[latent fern]

It's counterintuitive, but it's really faster...Like a Great Circle Route

[keen parcel]

harnessing the gravity of earths moon, our carrier will use a slingshot manoeuvre to deliver your parcel to your door at near-terminal velocity

[fresh bough]

Just like our internal booking system, if I need to go to France it tells me to fly via Zurich and spend the night and fly to France the next day, because that is the cheapest option when the travel applications doesn't know about the hotel prices

[graceful zealot]

I know someone from Melbourne to Sydney was routed via Brisbane, had to take it too since the system had no leeway

[fresh bough]

LOL

I just choose override and my managers managers manager gets an email

[graceful zealot]

See that's a sensible system

Ours blocks you out if it thinks there's a better deal

[fresh bough]

Yuck

[opaque summit]

gotten any further confirmation or just the due date on your crowd supply order details?

[wary pivot]

Due date on the trusty Crowd Supply order details

[opaque summit]

Ah, yeah, my page even say Originally estimated to ship: Jan 27, 2023 with order date of Jan 04 2022. At least its i on a boat from somewhere to somewhere!

[keen parcel]

Are you suggesting Crowd Supply is unreliable?

Surely not!

[fresh bough]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-monkey-island-gif-10529927

[wary pivot]

I would never do that!

[lament lark]

~~Hey folks, I've just tried to set up my Yellow, using a CM4 Lite (all I could get hold of in the shortage) and a Patriot P300 NVMe SSD with a Phison E13T controller, which wasn't listed among the incompatible ones.

I followed the instructions, during installation it got a DHCP lease with the hostname yellow-installer, but once it finished and I rebooted, it's not getting a DHCP lease, and I get a solid red LED, with a mostly solid green LED that blinks out briefly every 5 seconds.

I've tried opening a serial console using USB-C, but I get no output.

Based on these symptoms, is it likely that I've found yet another incompatible SSD, or could there be something else wrong? Are there any more troubleshooting steps I can try (I haven't yet tried mounting the SSD on another machine to check the contents / wipe and try again, I'll try this next if there's nothing simpler I should try first).~~

Edit: I wiped the SSD and tried installing again, and this time everything worked. The only difference was I had a serial console open during installation this time, but I'd be surprised if that made the difference.

[dusky hollow]

Hey, does anyone know if Crowd Supply provides some kind of shipment tracking? Now I'm waiting almost 7 months for prebuilt version. The delivery date is approaching...

[graceful zealot]

Theres no tracking until it gets to the final mile courier

Which who knows when

[fresh bough]

Insert the Titanic 84 years gif you say

[cedar basin]

Guys, need some help, I am setting up my HA Yellow at the moment. Currently on CM4 emmc + WD SN810 ssd. Had use the USB drive method to install the HA, but i am unable to move the datadisk, as its not able to detect my SSD. Im not sure whats happening and if someone is able to guide me on the next steps, tried looking in HA forum but no luck.

[graceful zealot]

Theres a chance the SN810 may not be supported, as there have been other WD drives not working
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/support/#which-ssds-are-supported

[cedar basin]

I read this thread and it says Samsung Drives are ok, SAMSUNG 970 Evo Plus is this model worth buying?

[cedar basin]

Guys, i just tested with a Kionix SSD and it was able to detect, seems WD SN810 can be added to the list.

[tribal stirrup]

is there a simple way to turn off the leds on Home Assistant Yellow?

[limpid sequoia]

Simple? Depends on your skills.
All of them? No, the ZigBee Radio will continue. (as far as I know)
For what you can do, check this message further up
#yellow-archived message

[fresh bough]

Very dark nail polish

[fluid sedge]

Electrical tape, if you want to see the LED without them being super bright then try ruby red lithographer's tape

[keen parcel]

Nine days!

[signal oasis]

I am using Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB M.2 SSD, which does work ok.

[opaque summit]

This SSD compatibility issue is a CM4 or a Yellow issue?

[graceful zealot]

CM4 I think, due to the firmware

[opaque summit]

Was hoping so; have pile of WD SN350 at least they work with other CM4 carriers

[tribal horizon]

people hanging a ton of ssd off this thing. 128gb is plenty for HA.

finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel with POE version. Everything is sitting here waiting for it. Including an 800 series zwave module. https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/collections/zooz/products/zooz-800-series-z-wave-long-range-gpio-module-zac93-lr

[steady delta]

I also have my ZWave module, SSD, and my CM4 is out for delivery. Now to wait for the POE Yellow.

[peak urchin]

Can’t seem to connect to my yellow as of this morning. Both red and yellow lights are blinking but the web socket says disconnected. I’be tried unplugging and replugging the power and it still doesn’t connect.

[opaque summit]

Maybe using the serial console could shed some light on the situation? https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/use-serial-console-windows/

[twilit locust]

I just got an email from UPS, saying I have a package from "MOUSER ELECCTRONICS" that is 1.3lbs in weight. I donno what it is? Perhaps my PoE Yellow I think? Exciting? 😛

https://ibb.co/Z6fz6D1

[latent fern]

Could be a big mouse...

[keen parcel]

A rat.

[fresh bough]

Since it is in pounds it will probably be assembled in imperial, so watch out for those metric screws falling out

[timber tinsel]

nah, go one metric size up and crossthread

[shut cedar]

Did you order a PoE only? I am not aware that the PoE shipment arrived at Mouser just yet, can be any day from what I know.

[twilit locust]

Yes, I only ordered a PoE version. Nothing else. I guess I'll see when it arrives. Supposedly arrives today.

[topaz trench]

same here, I ordered a PoE version and got SMS from FedEx about package from Mouser (I am from Europe)

[twilit locust]

I'm Canadian**

[stone jackal]

got my message from FedEx too - POE version on it's way, been a long wait but will be worth it

[fleet cloud]

Same here!

14 months wait ends on Monday apparently

[shut cedar]

Cool, good to hear it is finally happening 🎉 ! A pilot version of the latest PCB revision with PoE assembly is running here a bit more than two months now in production. Excited to see that this becomes true for you folks as well 🤩

[olive shore]

Received message from FedEx today as well, was surprised to get a request for info to pay taxes and customs since I already payed these during shipment. Anybody else with same experience? I’m in the Netherlands

[twilit locust]

Yea. UPS charged duties and the $10 brokerage fee on my package today entering Canada. As they often do.

[stone jackal]

mine was a message saying it's scheduled for delivery Monday but i'm in the UK

[graceful zealot]

Shouldn't have them charging it though, since CS is meant to cover it

[wary pivot]

And CS is known as a reliable shipper. 😆

[fresh bough]

I thought you could scratch reliable but then again you can scratch shipper too it seems

[opaque summit]

Really? the $20 world wide shipping for the Yellow kit with PoE is supposed to be DDP? Thats probably gonna mean a loss for someone somewhere.

[wary pivot]

They charged 20 USD shipping and additional taxes. So it is supposed to be DDP and not DAP - even according to their own terms and conditions.

[opaque summit]

ah, i didnt see any adittional taxes when shopping so I opted for US delivery and a freight forwarder. (and I guess thats because i'm only EEA not EU)

[twilit locust]

For Canada, they charged $20usd shipping, and didn't charge any additional taxes. So I was always expecting to pay duties. I do see on their TOS that some countries (in europe) they do collected the vat and taxes and such though. But yea not all countries it seems.

[fair reef]

I am still waiting for the SMS…… POE version, Hungary

[lucid raven]

Me too!

[heavy niche]

Confirmation that my Yellow POE shipped. ETA the 20th. I’m excited. Have my CM4 8GB - 32 GB and Coral USB accelerator all waiting. Will get a Samsung SSD tomorrow to wrap it up.

[tender arrow]

Yes, contact CS and they will refund the tax they charged (Belgium same problem).

[weak sable]

PoE shipped!!! woot

[peak urchin]

After resetting the yellow how long should it take for it to download all the necessary files in order to boot to the log in screen?

[sharp coral]

Poelephant should be stumping up tomorrow

[worn wedge]

Ugh, my Yellow ship estimate just changed from 1/29 to 3/5. Would be great to have some communication on this…

1/27, rather

[noble juniper]

@worn wedge seems like you just missed the Jan fullfillment shipment. Sorry 😦

[worn wedge]

What’s so frustrating is that there has been zero communication since December, when they said “If you are waiting for Yellow or Yellow Kit, chances are that you will receive it before the end of the year. But, as this is a busy season for supply chains, we cannot make promises, which is why the communicated shipping date remains January 2023.”

[noble juniper]

Can someone point me to the 'right' way to move from a docker HA core to HAOS on yellow? Just set it up and copy all the config yaml?

[keen parcel]

Run a backup, restore your backup

Oh you’re docker

Prayer?

Seriously though, yes copying your yaml config would probably be the best way to go

[latent fern]

Copy the whole config directory, not just configuration.yaml. But making a backup in the container install and restoring it on the Yellow is the easiest and best way

[steady delta]

Any folks in the USA get a shipping confirm for their POE yet?

[lyric root]

I got the shipment notice today for PoE kit, delivering Saturday. I’m in US, western states area 🙌

[drifting kestrel]

Is the driver for all yellow components included in Rasbian? It’s there any real downside to continue running HA in Docker on Yellow ?

[keen parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-trampoline-gif-5255758

Got my Crowd Supply shipping email

[wary pivot]

Dito. At least for one of two Yellows. The crowdfunding one hasn't been shipped yet.

[graceful zealot]

Chances are this is why you're shipment date moved so far, may means it'll be protected against any further delays hopefully

[keen parcel]

it'll arrive when it arrives

[wary pivot]

Unless it doesn't arrive

[graceful zealot]

In which case keep waiting

[twilit locust]

Hehe mine just arrived. PoE Yellow. Shipped to Vancouver, Canada. Shipping was super quick really from USA. Time to start tinkering. :)

https://ibb.co/L1Ln0zy

[daring flame]

I am expecting a PoE Yellow in March. All of my efforts to confirm NVMe Command Line Interface (NVMe-CLI) is in the build returns HA-CLI information. So my question, is it? And if not, what blows up if I attempt to install NVMe Command Line Interface (NVMe-CLI). https://nvmexpress.org/open-source-nvme-management-utility-nvme-command-line-interface-nvme-cli/

[wary pivot]

It can be installed as nvme-cli package in the SSH & Web Terminal add-on. If it works - don't know 🤷‍♂️

[wary pivot]

Just add nvme-cli to the packages section of the add-on configuration and it will be installed on each add-on start.

[daring flame]

Thank you! It will be my first effort, NVMe health / condition monitoring, like processor monitoring is key to stability. I am new to HA, complete newb. My CM4108032 is 'in the mail' also but I have an RPI4-MODBP-2GB to start. Should I anticipate differences in operation beyond the obvious?

[wary pivot]

No. Should be the same experience.

[daring flame]

Thank you.

[tribal horizon]

@twilit locust usually USPS notifies you they have a package a week after they've delivered it. 🙂

now I need to check email.

I did get an email from crowd supply saying my cm4 was going to be canceled, which is fine as I've got a few of those laying around now.

[latent fern]

Like money in the bank

[tribal horizon]

yeah, thought about selling all my Pi's and retiring. 🙂

I know what I've got!

[wary pivot]

Yep. CS/FedEx fucked up my import taxes too. What a surprise.

[drifting kestrel]

Hm, also got a message to pay 23,66 … I have think the price was with tax :/

Checked my order…

Items Total $99.00
Shipping $20.00
Tax $22.61
Total $141.61

So what we have to do, to not pay double ?

[wary pivot]

I've contacted CrowdSupply that they need to reimburse the prepaid taxes. But I'm not at all surprised they didn't get it right.

[shut cedar]

@drifting kestrel did you got it through FedEx? CrowdSupply is aware of the problem and is working with Mouser on fixing it. Contact CrowdSupply support to get a refund for the Tax amount.

[rocky frigate]

I recieved mine some weeks ago, and havent got any taxes.. and I live in a country where we get taxxes as soon as a package is coming from another country.

[drifting kestrel]

Ok, so for the moment I have to pay and get it later back ? Yes it’s FedEx to Germany

[shut cedar]

They say that FedEx somehow changed incoterms. We'll see.

[shut cedar]

Yeah FedEx you have to pay I guess since they paid the taxes for that shipment...

[wary pivot]

Well... If CrowdSupply reimburses the whole tax amount from their invoice, we have a good deal... CS 27.55 USD taxes, FedEx 23.66 EUR ~ 25.61 USD 🤣

[drifting kestrel]

Maybe make a small announcement about the problem that ppl not get confused about it. No problem to pay it, but without any information it looks strange 😉

[rocky frigate]

The problem with announcing it, is that (sadly...) some people will as for the refund even if they did not pay for taxxes. So instead of making a bigger fuzz, I think they are doing it that way

[shut cedar]

You mean a project update? That goes to so many people, also those who already received it.

[wary pivot]

Nevertheless - it is so annoying and perfectly fits the image of CS' performance. I don't think, I would order again.

[rocky frigate]

I have a question regarding yellow HA with FTP server. Anyone know if that takes a lot of CPU/memory? I have a netatmo doorbell with camera, and it has an option to save videos via FTP.
And as I have a 250gb SSD in the yellow, I think I can safely use some of that storage for those videos..

[drifting kestrel]

I mean it’s so simple for EU, you have to wrote outside of the package that tax is already payed ( with exact list what is inside and wich price). Ali Express have need 1 week to change there shipping system 🫣

Lucky that the packet not come with DHL, they take >15€ as “service “

[lucid raven]

Should not be any problem.

[drifting kestrel]

Package received, yep missing any information about what is inside and the value. Also missing https://www.verpackungen365.ch/media/image/product/1599/md/altacell-weiss-das-passende-fuellmaterial-fuer-die-schweiz.jpg 🥺

[wary pivot]

Those information can be provided electronically to FedEx by the shipper.

[drifting kestrel]

… why is the antenna connector missing ?

[shut cedar]

The one for the MGM210P? The footprint is only there for certification.

We don't have firmware which uses the connector.

[drifting kestrel]

Hm… really ? I checked the picture on crowd supply and was happy about the connector. Because in the past we know that without extra antenna there can be some issue 😦

[shut cedar]

The units on those pictures were prototypes where we assembled everything for testing. Granted, that is a it missleading, sorry about that 😦

I did some early testing with external antenna, and I was surprised how well the chip antenna performed. In fact, the external stub antenna I used performed worse...

It seems that the on-board chip antenna is really well tuned.

(after all, it is not one of those cheap PCB antenna)

[drifting kestrel]

I hope 🤞. I really like the project, I can live with the extrem high price compared to a simple waveshare Mini Base (B) with rtc, Fan Header, m.2 nvme for 30€ + Sonoff Zigbee dongle 15€. But please try to fix the issues with communication

[shut cedar]

What did you end up paying for that Waveshare combination vs. Yellow PoE?

(including shipment and all?)

[drifting kestrel]

35€ total ( without Poe) bought it ~year ago. There was no shipping. Was from EU storage

+35€ for the smaller ssd (2280 is to large)

[graceful zealot]

Given experiences with FedEx too, could well be them not listening to begin with

[shut cedar]

In the end, we are not in the business of producing cheap CM4 IO boards. Our business is to provide a board which provides top notch experience with Home Assistant. If Yellow were not around, HAOS would not work with CM4 NVMe (since we wrote patches to fix NVMe on U-Boot). Waveshare just drops a piece of hardware, as cheap as possible. None of these people work on Software end of things. There are tons of such examples, where we work throughout the stack to make things work nicely.

Sure, Yellow is not the cheapest option, but its nicely integrated. If you are not willing to pay for that, Waveshare is the better option, period.

[drifting kestrel]

I’m willing .. I mean I got one now 😉 But it have to be clear as possible with all information. Keep a things up to date. I mean you know now, that the picture misleading, fix it 😉

And not simple replace the picture, also make a small notice in the text that the picture changed and why

[shut cedar]

Creating new product pictures of the latest version is actually on our todo, so updated pictures will come at one point.

FWIW, if you want to use the u.FL connector, you can solder it:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/linx-technologies-inc/CONUFL001-SMD-T/7427732

And schematics show how it is hooked up to MGM210P, which allows to build custom firmware:
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/resources/Yellow_1.2c_Schematic_git.0b4049bec10a.pdf

Also just noticed that at least for older EmberZNet firmwares I've built versions for the external antenna (_ext).
https://github.com/NabuCasa/silabs-firmware/tree/main/EmberZNet

[wary pivot]

Speaking of firmware. Can you share some news about the multi-pan one?

[shut cedar]

Silicon Labs says they fixed the problem with 4.1.4 which just dropped:
https://github.com/SiliconLabs/gecko_sdk/releases/tag/v4.1.4

@light sluice was working on validating yesterday. If it turns out to fix the problem, we well update the add-on 🤞

[wary pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mob-riot-torches-pitchforks-gif-5859895

You know where to find a mob with forks and torches to send to Silicon Labs if needed.

🤣

[fresh bough]

[dusky hollow]

I can't believe it, they postponed the delivery date again. Does anyone have a similar experience? what did you do? 😠

[stray atlas]

I got my POE version this morning though does any have any ideas home to install HA on it im using a CM4 Lite with a Samsung 970 EVO and all it does when i start with the USB in is Red and Green Solid Light

[final pelican]

My Yello POE is finaly in the country but I just had to pay €25,06 taxes that i already payed a long time ago

[stray atlas]

I cant get it to install anything

tried the CM4 and SSD on the raspberry pi carrier broad no problem

[shut cedar]

When did you order and what version?

[shut cedar]

The installer should detect the NVMe automatically and flash the OS to the NVMe. You are using the installer from USB flash drive?
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/poe-nvme/#installing-home-assistant-software-on-kit

[dusky hollow]

Sometimes end of July, PreBuilt version

[shut cedar]

So with CM4? Unfortunately we don't get enough CM4, despite we ordered them 14 months ago. Supply chain 🤮

What date did your order got set to? A batch of almost 1k Yellows with CM4 left Shenzen this week, I expect them to arrive in February.

[stray atlas]

yep flash the installer to the USB drive, plugged it in instantly just a red and green light nothing elase

[shut cedar]

Hm, sounds like the CM4 has troubles booting from that USB flash drive. The Yellow LED should start to blink if it is able to boot.

Can you double check if the CM4 is plugged in completely? That is the PoE version correct? Also maybe flashing the USB flash drive again might help (in case something got wrong there).

[dusky hollow]

Yes, with CM4. Originally estimated DEC 31., current estimante is MAR 03.

[stray atlas]

Yep re steaded a couple of time now and used a second flash drive and flashed the usb a couple of time

[shut cedar]

Ok. Yeah this shipment was PoE only, so Mouser certainly is not able to fulfill currently. But based on your order date, they should be able to fulfill your order with the February shipment.

[stray atlas]

any other ideas?

[shut cedar]

Not really. Do you have a USB flash drive with LEDs? If so, are these blinking?

[stray atlas]

no

[drifting kestrel]

Have check the bootloader from the CM4 ?

[stray atlas]

i mean the leds are not flashing

[shut cedar]

From what I know even the oldest of CM4's are able to boot from USB flash drive. So if its not software (not correctly written), it must be broken hardware (Yellow/CM4/USB flash drive)..

[stray atlas]

boots fine on the pi daughter broad with sd card this is a lite model

[stray atlas]

damm that sort of means a problem in the yellow

[drifting kestrel]

Is it not a option to flash the SSD directly ?

[shut cedar]

TBH, Yellow is very unlikely as we factory test them.

[shut cedar]

Hm, so maybe its a CM4 firmware + your flash drive issue..

[stray atlas]

i could put it back on the CM4 Broad and update

[shut cedar]

You can do that on the Yellow as well

Use https://github.com/raspberrypi/usbboot, ./rpiboot -d recovery should update the EEPROM.

Maybe swapping CM4 and using RPi OS on the CM4 IO board is easier/faster.

[shut cedar]

That is an option as well. However, older CM4 do not have the EEPROM code to boot from NVMe. The Yellow installer also comes with the latest CM4 firmware to make sure the CM4 has a EEPROM which can boot from NVMe.

[stray atlas]

BOOTLOADER: up to date
CURRENT: Fri 4 Nov 15:19:15 UTC 2022 (1667575155)
LATEST: Fri 4 Nov 15:19:15 UTC 2022 (1667575155)
RELEASE: stable (/lib/firmware/raspberrypi/bootloader/stable)
Use raspi-config to change the release.

[drifting kestrel]

Have you check the boot loader order ?

Maybe the "usb" is missing

[shut cedar]

Hm, good point. Especially if there is something on the NVMe already, the EEPROM might get stuck there.

[shut cedar]

or that..

The default does include USB though.

[drifting kestrel]

I can not remember the command to show the current eeprom setting. I remember it was tricky on the CM4

[stray atlas]

sudo CM4_ENABLE_RPI_EEPROM_UPDATE=1 -E rpi-eeprom-update

aw after an apt update im now offered a newer bootloader

[drifting kestrel]

But make sure you set the BOOT_ORDER= correctly

https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/raspberry-pi.html#BOOT_ORDER

[stray atlas]

what boot order do you recomment

[drifting kestrel]

The goal is to install from a USB drive into a Yellow NVMe SSD ?

0xf64 , if you sure the SSD is empty maybe 0xf46 @shut cedar what you think ?

[shut cedar]

Since there might be something on NVMe which doens't boot correctly I'd go for USB MSD first.

Probably also leave SD card in just in case so you are able to boot on CM4 IO board

So, 0xf164

[dreamy plume]

If we have a CM4 with eMMC - AND - and m.2 NVMe, is there a config param to direct the HA installer to install entirely on the M.2 - IE as-if the CM4 were a 'lite' variant?

[shut cedar]

@dreamy plume not yet, but I intended to add such support (by holding the Blue button I think).

I'd also format eMMC to make sure it then boots from NVMe.

[dreamy plume]

Is there a means to do so in a more manual sense - IE using a USB stick to update the EEPROM as normal, and imaging HOAS onto the m.2 via a second machine?

On a related note - As I've got a CM4 with only 8GB eMMC - is there any installer logic that avoids installation to storage targets below a minimum size?

[shut cedar]

You can get a serial console on the USB-C plug. There you get a root shell. Right after boot the installer starts, but you can kill it, and do what you want manually:

E.g. (untested!)

# Stop the running installation
killall wget
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=4M
# -or, if there is blkdiscard not sure-
blkdiscard /dev/mmcblk0
# Trick the script there is no eMMC
rm /dev/mmcblk0
# Now flash again.
/usr/bin/haos-flash

See also: https://github.com/NabuCasa/yellow-buildroot/blob/2022.02.x-yellow-installer/rootfs-overlay/usr/bin/haos-flash

[dreamy plume]

Cool - I'll give that a try this afternoon and report back 🙂

Thx

[shut cedar]

I mean 8GB does work, you can't just do very much. But a vanilla Core installation maybe with a few small add-ons even works.

and 8GB is the smallest variant available.

[dreamy plume]

Oh understood - I just prefer avoiding reliance on the eMMC, which is why I've gone the m.2 NVMe route. I might find a use for the eMMC later, or in other projects.

(CM4s being hard to come by still I've had a number on order for different purposes, but the present one is all I have to hand right now)

[lucid raven]

POE-version just delivered at my door in Norway 🥳

[fresh bough]

[stray atlas]

@shut cedar @drifting kestrel Spot on with the boot order

Thank you very much

[sharp coral]

Can’t believed it’s arrived in UK 😂. Time to use that dusty pi

[mighty chasm]

Yeah, i just got my POE yellow now also in norway 🙂

time to order a nvme I guess 🙂

is there any point of going for something bigger than 250gb and does speed on the nvme matter?

[drifting kestrel]

nope. It only matter if you have all pcie lines

[mighty chasm]

https://www.komplett.no/product/1120735/datautstyr/lagring/harddiskerssd/ssd-m2/samsung-970-evo-plus-m2-nvme-ssd-500gb so something like this is good I guess

or even better this I guess:
https://www.komplett.no/product/1181515/datautstyr/lagring/harddiskerssd/ssd-m2/samsung-980-250gb-m2-nvme-ssd

ordered. Now just time to get the new house and then I will try it out 🙂 happy days

[fresh bough]

Sorry new houses have a lead time of 12-18 months due to chip shortage

[drifting kestrel]

Can I disable the Red and yellow LED from the yellow ?

[wary pivot]

#yellow-archived message

[drifting kestrel]

Not correctly working ... dtparam=pwr_led_trigger= have to be default-on for the CM4

dtparam=pwr_led_trigger=default-on
dtparam=pwr_led_activelow=off

And ... maybe I'm wrong ... but https://www.crowdsupply.com/nabu-casa/home-assistant-yellow say

Status LEDs (can be powered off during regular operation)
Green: Power
Red: Disk usage
Yellow: Home Assistant system state

It looks like the Red led is power and green disk usage

@shut cedar I know you like it if i ping you^^

[wary pivot]

I'd recommend to use the commandline switches.

[shut cedar]

@drifting kestrel this should be working:

dtparam=act_led_trigger=none
dtparam=usr_led_trigger=none
dtparam=pwr_led_trigger=none

[dreamy plume]

This worked as intended with a few niggles.

You can't kill wget until it's called which seems quite late? However, running the dd command breaks the haos-flash script anyhow [261], as it errors on 'dd already running' [270]. dd from /dev/zero returns the 'no space on left on disk' error, as expected, and removing the eMMC device via rm, and recalling haos-flash has the desired effect of re-targeting the m.2 as the installation location.

All-in - thanks, good call 🙂

[drifting kestrel]

nope, only work if I use default-on

[shut cedar]

You are using latest Home Assistant OS?

[drifting kestrel]

And if I use

dtparam=act_led_activelow=off``` it keeps the led always on

Using Rasbian and Docker

[shut cedar]

Yeah that is different. Raspbian does not use our Yellow device tree

[drifting kestrel]

I'mean I try ... but the Sonoff USB dongle is now showing up. And before someone ask .. yes I know there is the SiLab chip, have to switch slowly from one to other)

[wary pivot]

There is the SiliconLabs chip 🤣😝

[drifting kestrel]

O really ? Do I have to change some config to activate him xD ?

[shut cedar]

For Yellow we use a custom device tree, which account for how the hardware is wired up (see https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/tree/dev/buildroot-external/board/raspberrypi/yellow/patches/linux). I yet have to send them to the Pi folks so it would also be available for Raspberry Pi OS. Currenlty not the case...

[fresh bough]

The case has a device tree?

[wary pivot]

Don't water it. It won't grow.

[cloud maple]

Good jobs on the yellow, folks. Just got my delivered today (Two days from Texas to Germany is kinda impressive). No issues whatsoever with the migration:
Assembled (PoE Kit with NVMe), First boot from USB, Let the installer run, made backup from current RPi4
Unplugged old RPi, put Yellow in the Place, plugged old ZigBee and HomeMatic Radios in Yellow and powered up via PoE.
Restored Backup, waited a few minutes, everything looked fine.
Pulled Backup from ZigBee Network, migrated Radio, Waited a few minutes
All done ... no tinkering, no issues. Almost kind of boring 😉

[wary pivot]

If you insist on having issues, just grant us remote access. We will be happy to cause some for you. 😝

[steady delta]

Not urgent, but anyone know what I should expect for shipping to a US address for an order placed Oct 14th on crowd supply for a yellow?

It is a crowdfunding order (if there is any other type of order or if that makes a difference)

Oct 14, 2021

[wary pivot]

A PoE one?

[worthy cradle]

Never rains but it pours, my Turing pi 2 just arrived last week and now my yellow next week. Need more cm4s 😂

[lucid heart]

I have just migrated my HAOS installation from an Rpi4 to the yellow, and I am suddenly getting the "Unsupported system - Unsupported software". I can't for the life of me find the offending container. The only supervisor error I am getting is: 23-01-20 22:10:16 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.addons.model] Add-on a0d7b954_foldingathome not supported on this platform, supported architectures: amd64

which is also puzzling to me, as I have no such add-on installed and can't figure out how to remove it

[wary pivot]

Have you rebooted the host system after migrating the backup? Not just restarting HA?

[lucid heart]

I'll give it a go

Thanks. Seems to have resolved the unsupported problem. But the strange add-on not supported remains (must have been unrelated). Any way to remove an add-on that isn't anywhere to be seen in the interface?

[wary pivot]

Did you install folding@home on a amd64 system and migrated to your RPi4?

[lucid heart]

Possibly years ago, on a Synology NAS

[fluid sedge]

Try the command line. ha addons uninstall a0d7b954_foldingathome

[lucid heart]

Error: Addon is not installed

Can't see it in the list either (ha ad list)

[dusky hollow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[wary pivot]

That's a common issue. It's best practice to reboot after restoring a backup

[dusky hollow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[wary pivot]

You could try ha supervisor repair

[lucid heart]

Got the error immediately after the repair finished 🙂
23-01-20 23:50:12 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.core] Finished repair of Supervisor Environment
23-01-20 23:50:35 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.addons.model] Add-on a0d7b954_foldingathome not supported on this platform, supported architectures: amd64

I think I'll let sleeping dogs lie... It doesn't seem to be impacting anything. Just annoying to have a persistent error

[wary pivot]

Strange. I just can provoke that error message, if I try to install folding@home manually. Looks like some process tries to install it

Maybe the #add-ons-archived channel can be more helpful

[lucid heart]

Thanks for your help 🙂

[wary pivot]

You're welcome

[modest dove]

Just received my PoE Yellow! Flawless install of the OS. Happy customer over here ♥️

[blissful mist]

my yellow showed up. if only i could find a cm4. last time rpilocator shows a US cm4 with any ram was october 😦

[timber siren]

@blissful mist Try eBay or AliExpress but its probably going to be double the retail price...

[blissful mist]

A guy asking for 200obo on eBay refused an offer for 150, countering 190. I’m desperate but not that desperate.

And playing that game seems destined to perpetuate it.

[timber siren]

@blissful mist not surprised, seems like these hoarders get more greedy with time...smdh, I paid 170 back in Oct...

[blissful mist]

I’m hoping to get lucky in a adafruit drop, but it seems unlikely. Seems hoardes of scalpers manage to get all of those, too.

If one of the knockoff pis worked, I’d gladly go that route

[timber siren]

Yea, that really sucks, good luck

[twilit locust]

I'm sorry. silly question... Whats the easiest way to enable SSH access to Yellow? I can't seem to see the SSH Add-on under Add-ons... Or best way to send files to the Yellow?

[latent fern]

Enable advanced mode in your profile

And https://www.home-assistant.io/getting-started/configuration/

[twilit locust]

oww i see it now. thanks 😛

i thought SSH wouldn't be considered advanced. I thought it be basic. 😛

[graceful zealot]

Most users don't need SSH, thus advanced 😛

[fresh bough]

Most users are idiots too

Best regards person who works with users

[graceful zealot]

So are a lot of admins too

[fresh bough]

Yes

A lot

[ivory pagoda]

@blissful mist https://www.seeedstudio.com/Ochin-Tiny-Carrier-Board-with-Raspberry-Pi-Compute-Module-p-5563.html
Almost your offered 150

[wary pivot]

Well, well, well... CrowdSupply's next achievement. They declared a wrong customs value for some buyers. FedEx charges the exact same import tax for pre-ordered and crowdfunded Yellows. The latter have been 26 USD cheaper, meaning the import tax should be lower. 🙄

[sage robin]

Quick question, I had a hard time getting my yellow to work with a used CM4 and was just curious if the team has a GitHub repository to document use cases that I could do a PR for as I couldn't find it anywhere online.

[wary pivot]

A repo for what? The installer or the OS?

[sage robin]

For me to push my documentation to help any one else in the same situation

[wary pivot]

You could mail your suggestions to [e-mail]

[sage robin]

Okay cool, because none of the eMMC wiping steps would work for me. I had to do a usb recovery and wipe. I couldn't find any documents for this procedure so it might help someone else out in the long run

[wary pivot]

Maybe this is the right repo - but not sure.
https://github.com/home-assistant/yellow.home-assistant.io

[sage robin]

Great thank you @wary pivot

[polar scarab]

Great experience moving my core install to the PoE Yellow yesterday Great product so far!

What are expected operating temperatures? Yellow feels rather warm at 10% CPU…

[tender arrow]

'feels warm'? 😅

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/sensor.command_line/#cpu-temperature

Mine seems about 46°C and 6% cpu usage.

[fresh bough]

Pis are generally hot

Modern 40 core xeons are usually sub 40

[steady delta]

Yes

[wary pivot]

I'd expect it to ship the next days.

[steady delta]

Ok! I will keep an eye out. My existing setup works great, so I'm not in a rush.

[polar scarab]

ofc i could have configured the sensor 🙂 feels warm --> 52 deg. let's see if it stays in that region. thanks for the tip!

[opaque summit]

What is the ambient temp? 25C over ambient isn't something to worry about imho

[polar scarab]

17C so we are at 30C over ambient on avg in a closet next to a modem. So not worried indeed

[lucid heart]

The bluetooth has gone AWOL. It seemed fine when I initially set up the yellow and was detected fine, but after a few restarts the integration reported "Failed to start Bluetooth: [org.bluez.Error.NotReady] Resource Not Ready; Retrying in background". Tried rebooting to no avail, and decided to delete the device, but now it's just not detected. When I try to add the bluetooth integration it just says: "No unconfigured Bluetooth adapters found".
I have tried rebooting and even reseating the CM4

any tips?

[wary pivot]

Was the CM4 from the prebuilt Yellow or your own?

[lucid heart]

my own. CM4104016

[wary pivot]

Do you have any custom bluetooth integrations from HACS running?

[lucid heart]

no, nothing bluetooth related

[wary pivot]

If you run bluetoothctl power on in a terminal, does it show an error or does it "fix" it?

[lucid heart]

I've tried that and it just says "Changing power on succeeded", so no error

doesn't fix it though

what would the name of the adapter be in the "all hardware" list?

[wary pivot]

You try to use the onboard BT of the CM4 and not a dongle, right?

[lucid heart]

Yeah.

[wary pivot]

On the first glimpse my BT adapter doesn't show in "all hardware" - should be hci0. Some forum comments suggest, a hardware reboot is needed to fix the BT not ready issue.

[lucid heart]

Rebooted many times 😦 even tried shutting down and reseating the CM4

Perhaps my CM4 is faulty

Hang on... It's back... Weird

Thanks for your patience 🙂

[blissful mist]

that's the best compromise so far. they're charging MSRP for the pi, and the extra for their board. the combo price makes sense. at least in that case i'd be getting some value, even if that breakout isn't very useful for me 😄

[gritty marten]

Hello Everyone! Can i simply move my existing SSD from RPi 4 to Yellow POE and expect it to work?

[opaque summit]

From mentions of a new device tree for the yellow I'd think not; best backup, do a new install and restore. (I know the yellow installer doesnt work on a normal pi4 as well)

[gritty marten]

Thanks! I will go the backup & restore route.

[keen vessel]

Just setup my PoE Yellow (1.3). I didn't read all the docs before putting a new WD SN770 into it. It appears to have installed on the CM4's MMC.

The SN770 looks to be seen just fine. There's no "link down" in dmesg, lspci sees it fine; it's appearing as /dev/nvme0n1, etc.

The Yellow installer didn't install to it or even format it. Any ideas of how to start over and get it using the NVMe drive properly?

[opaque summit]

https://yellow.home-assistant.io/support/#which-ssds-are-supported

[keen vessel]

Yeah, but that appears to be wrong. The issues it refers to all have the NVMe drive not working. It's working just fine for me.

[opaque summit]

Installer may be ignoring it based on the supported list?

[keen vessel]

That seems unlikely.

OK, so using the Settings->System->Storage page's "Move Data Disk" option did format the NVMe and is now using it for data, although it appears to still be booting from the MMC.

Feels like the installer is possibly doing the wrong thing.

[wary pivot]

The installer is always using the eMMC unless it is a CM4 lite.

Unusual installations have to be done manually.

[twilit locust]

Anyway to get CLI on the yellow? I'm trying to debug one of my Home Assistant execute command_line sensors... which works on my previous rasp system but not working on the Yellow. Debugging threw the sensor has been tedious... the ssh add-ons don't seem to be the same environment as what HA is executing the sensor_commandline as... since the command is working via the ssh addon, on the Yellow.

[wary pivot]

The SSH & Web Terminal add-on can be run in non-protected mode. Or you can get a serial console using the USB-C port.
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/use-serial-console-windows/
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/use-serial-console-linux-macos/

[twilit locust]

Ah thanks

[sage robin]

has anyone found a way to reset the zigbee device in the yellow? I tried to setup multi protocol for matter and zigbee and now it just won't work

[onyx summit]

Hi community! Do someone know if the yellow supports a pcie 4.0 ssd via the M.2 slot. And which speed is max possible (using the cm4)?

And which cm4 is best? The 8 gb one with wifi and emmc or should I buy one with 32 gb emmc? I heard, that emmc + ssd should be bettee than only ssd

[heavy niche]

I previously used HA in a docker container with a reverse proxy in front of it. I switched to the Yellow and get 502 error when accessing it through the reverse proxy. I know I need to change the config file, and I did, but 502 error is persisting.

Does anyone know where the access log is located? In the docker version I remember it being an NGINX log file. I can't find that in the HAOS yellow version.

I think I just have the trusted IP set wrong, but I want to verify in the logs.

[sage robin]

in configuration.yaml you need to set your trusted proxy

[heavy niche]

I did, but I think the IP I allowed is wrong, and my Firewalla Gold is modifying it. The log would let me verify what it is seeing. Unless I have the trusted config wrong.

[sage robin]

You can do something like this

[heavy niche]

I have:

[sage robin]

http:
use_x_forwarded_for: true
trusted_proxies:
.../32

That would be for a single upstream proxy

[heavy niche]

Support for REverse Proxy

http:
use_x_forwarded_for: true
trusted_proxies:
- 192.168.10.1

Which should be correct based on my config, but is failing.

[sage robin]

You need /32 at the end

change the last line to - 192.168.10.1/32

The /32 sets the subnet mask so that its limited to just 1 ip address

If you wanted your whole network it would be 192.168.10.0/16 or /24 depending on how your router is setup

[heavy niche]

I did try it, and using the discrete IP without using the CIDR format has worked in the past. Still failed. I think that the Firewalla Gold is sending it from a different IP. I could try everything under the sun with 0.0.0.0/0 and restrict as I narrow it done.

Its why I am looking for the log. In the docker version it showed me exactly what IP the traffic was from.

[wary pivot]

https://github.com/NabuCasa/silabs-firmware/wiki/Flash-Silicon-Labs-radio-firmware-manually

[onyx summit]

Which ssds do you use? Is pcie 4.0 supported?

[wary pivot]

https://yellow.home-assistant.io/support/#which-ssds-are-supported

[onyx summit]

So 3 is max? I can‘t see anything related

[wary pivot]

"PCIe is backwards compatible, NVMe SSDs supporting a newer generations of PCIe or more supporting multiple lanes should generally work"

The NVMe will work (if it isn't an incompatible one), but just with PCIe 2.0 and 1 lane performance. Buying better ones will not bring better performance.

[onyx summit]

Thx

[onyx summit]

Another question. Cm4 with emmc better for yellow than without? If yes, why?

[wary pivot]

The eMMC versions seem to have fewer problems. CM4 lite with older firmware have problems booting from NVMe out of the box.

[onyx summit]

Thank you. Ok than I‘ll go for the wifi + 32 gb mmc one (if they come in stock ^^)

[opaque summit]

Doesn't the installer update the firmware anyway?

[wary pivot]

In theory yes - but some still had a few problems.

Either problems with the firmware update or with the boot order.

[sharp coral]

Make sure you use a suitable power supply, don't make the same mistake as I did 🔥 😢

[lucid raven]

Did you fry it? 😯

[sharp coral]

Yup 🥲. Had it for less than a day

[wary pivot]

Did you use a 24V power supply?

[keen parcel]

How on earth did you fry it?

My POE Kit is in my city!

[storm prawn]

My POE kit arrived finally. I was disappointed to see a sticker on the unit saying "Made in PRC". If I'd known beforehand I probably wouldn't have purchased.

[wary pivot]

It has been stated on the crowdfunding page and in the updates. You could have known if you had read it.

[fluid sedge]

Our Shenzhen-based manufacturing partner

[graceful zealot]

Like most electronics

[fresh bough]

Look out of that American protectionism coming now @graceful zealot

[calm herald]

It needed some time for the next crash...which was today. It is answering Ping. I restarted by a power disconnect. What could I do instead next time?

[shut cedar]

@calm herald How much was memory usage at the time of the crash?
Did the Yellow LED flash a heartbeat pattern?
Try accessing your instance on port 4357 next time, it should show the health status of Supervisor.

[shut cedar]

Sorry to hear 😭 . Most likely the DCDCs fried (Rohm BD9D321EFJ-E2, available at Mouser, U16/U17 on the PCB). They are hard to replace by soldering iron because they have a cooling pad underneath. But in case you happen to have a temperature controlled hot-air gun it is possible to replace them 😅

[wary pivot]

What are the specs of the thermal pads? Just in case they need to be replaced.

[shut cedar]

• Heatpad Memory: 10x15x1.8mm
• Heatpad SoC: 12x12x0.3mm

FWIW, it is safe to run it without, the thermal head room is just not as much (CM4 starts to throttle earlier). On a mostly idle system its not really a big deal.

[wary pivot]

Thank you!

[worthy cradle]

My PoE yellow literally just arrived 😀

[wary pivot]

That's the Yellowfant in the room

[pastel forge]

Thinking about setting up home assistant and have very very little technical knowledge outside of the mobile apps associated with all my products.

Went down the rabbit hole once I saw an article on Matter. Realized I was late to the game on home assistant blue. If I went with home assistant Yellow, how hard would it be to physically and technically add the NVMe SSD for storage? I know I’m taking the easy route out of experiential learning all about raspberry PI’s, I’ll blame it on my generation

[fresh bough]

adding the nvme to the yellow is very easy

but don't worry about matter yet, it is very infantile, heck it isn't really even born yet

just becaues matter exists doesn't mean everything else stops working

[fluid sedge]

https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/add-ssd-existing-installation/

[dusty flume]

Hey there! Today I got my Yellow and I transferred my existing CM4 + SSD to the Yellow. Now the yellow LED isn't lit (though everything seems to be working fine!) and Settings > System > Hardware still says rpi4-64. Is there a way to change the hardware mode to yellow so the install acts accordingly?

[wary pivot]

That's propably because you flashed the CM4 with the RPi4 image and not the custom image for the Yellow. One way would be a backup and reflashing the CM4 with the correct image.

[fleet cloud]

At last, it has arrived in Sweden. Yellow PoE

[gaunt kayak]

Im in the excited yellow PoE crowd now, time to dive in!

[brave lagoon]

Any tips on removing the heatsink's plastic spring loaded pins? Wow are they near impossible to remove.

[shut cedar]

Pinch carefully with pliers from the underside. But yeah they are a bit PITA

[brave lagoon]

ahh, thank you that works. yeowza

[dusky hollow]

Hey guys, just received my Home Assistant Yellow. Somehow it's not Booting with a cm4 32GB / 4G there are no indicator lights whatsoever. Tried different USB stick for install that had an indicator led and it's flashing ultra fast (like there is a power / mosfet issue) since this USB is not able to blink fast like this during normal operation

Are there any known issues related to this? Checked cm4 seating, currently powering with a 12V 3A power supply