💬general-discussion

[runic aspen]

Ceramic probably breaks extremely easily

[solid cape]

The time ceramic break you will be already dead with steel

There is no point to use it atm with bugged damage cap

[lime notch]

me with steal

[gaunt holly]

Protip: stop getting shot 💉🫵

[lime notch]

god dammit

[heavy tide]

ultimate tip: play minecraft to avoid getting shot

[lime notch]

Liar

[runic aspen]

The skeletons
They shoot a lot

[modest fern]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-minecraft-glock-chamber-gif-17234578255426981032

[heavy tide]

oh yeah i totally forgot about the skellies 💀

[runic aspen]

What is that call of duty inspect animation ass thing

[runic aspen]

Pillagers too. They shoot

[modest fern]

Also Ghasts, snow golems, llamas, the Warden

[runic aspen]

What the actual hell is the warden

What has been added to Minecraft in the past five years that I've missed wtf

[heavy tide]

that thing will rip and tear you

[gaunt holly]

Sp00ky

[heavy tide]

even you are fully equiped with netherite

*without enchantments

[runic aspen]

mk18 with 7 AP mags
Glock 19 with no mags because who the hell uses their sidearm when you've got your good old AR
Heavy armor with full coverage
Ballistic mask
M320 stinger (ball gun as I like to call it, because it shoots balls)
3 stinger hand grenades
And a lockpick gun

Rate my loadout (as someone who has played a full 12 hours over the past year and few months I'm definitely an expert)

[haughty burrow]

Does having two nutritionist stack? for Commander mode?

[solid cape]

Yes

[haughty burrow]

awesome thank you

[solid cape]

But it's only 25% vs 30%

[runic aspen]

I'm assuming that yes was for my loadout

[haughty burrow]

I am trying to run Ironman mode now that I am done the normal game

[haughty burrow]

looks good to me but lots of AP mags tho

[runic aspen]

Gotta be prepared for a fight

[solid cape]

Steel is bad, dont use it unless you want die faster

[runic aspen]

Fine I'll use cardboard then

[solid cape]

That still better compare to current steel

[haughty burrow]

how bad is steel? I've only used Ceramic

[solid cape]

Very bad #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[runic aspen]

Judging by me dying in under a second from people who I can't even see

Probably worse than no armor

[solid cape]

4 vs 12 possible hits from rifle with ceramic with no damage taken + 7 shots to the limbs

[runic aspen]

Is that dude with no neck on 23 MB a second normal or is my game bugged

[solid cape]

Yeap

that normal thing

[runic aspen]

He's kind of got a see through neck thing going on

I don't recall that being the case a year ago

[solid cape]

there are bunch of other models that have same or similar issue

[runic aspen]

Does shooting someone a couple times make them more likely to comply when you tell them to put their gun down

[solid cape]

Yeap

but it's really ineffective if they already shoot you

[modest fern]

Me shotgunning the guys on Brisa to get compliance

[haughty burrow]

I am so happy I don't have to do S tier anymore

tired of using beanbags

[runic aspen]

Cuffing dead bodies is still a thing 😭

[modest fern]

sometimes they're not dead

[solid cape]

Well you dont need to cuff dead or incapacitated suspects, only incapacitated HVT for objective

or civi

[runic aspen]

Oh trust me when I put three bullets between their eyes they're dead

I don't take any chances

They're always dead
Unless I die first

[gaunt holly]

Perhaps

[haughty burrow]

Do you have to cuff dead bodies?

[runic aspen]

The ai teammates seem to think so

They unload a whole mag into a suspect then go up and cuff them

[haughty burrow]

Is there a point of getting A+ now that I've gotten S tier in everything?

[pastel mantle]

Ive only seen a suspect get back up once n its cuz i shot him in the ass once w my pistol

[runic aspen]

Imagine using a pistol

Be like me and bring 7 AP mags for your primary

[haughty burrow]

Cause now I just want to play the game and shoot and kill the suspects

[haughty burrow]

Shoot em up

[pastel mantle]

i bring 8. Would bring 9 if i could but i like having 2 mags for pistol

[solid cape]

Nope

[haughty burrow]

Alright cool imma quick end missions then

Cause I don't want to go searching for the one gun I forgot or something anymore

I wanna sweep the map and shoot bad guys properly now

[pastel mantle]

Hide n seek is the only mission i get C rating in. I dont undertsand how to get B

I do everything correctly

[solid cape]

You need arrest more suspects alive

[haughty burrow]

Did you get all the objectives and hidden crates?

[pastel mantle]

yes

[haughty burrow]

I noticed the Ready or not Wiki forgot to include them weapons cache in their objective descriptions

For Hide and Seek

[modest fern]

Truly a wiki of all time

[haughty burrow]

Oh nvm I am wrong

It's in primary objectives

😂

But yes imma shoot every suspect now if they don't surrender or come out shooting

[runic aspen]

Why does blood splatter make me drop so many frames

[haughty burrow]

Who else here hates Twisted Nerve.... That is my least favourite mission because of how disgusting the homes look.

It literally looks like hell

[gaunt holly]

4 rifle mags and 9 flashbangs is goated loadout

[runic aspen]

I drop to 20 frames somehow when spraying bullets at a corpse

[haughty burrow]

9 flashbangs is pretty awesome

[runic aspen]

Even just looking at a corpse I drop frames

[gaunt holly]

No pistol mags bc pistol useless

[haughty burrow]

I use gas but for the Ironman run I'm going for Flashbang

How many mags do IRL swat guys carry?

[gaunt holly]

Prob 4-5 rifle and 2-3 pistol

They usually don't end up shooting

[pastel mantle]

asmongold map

[runic aspen]

it depends

[haughty burrow]

Why you say that?

Cause he don't clean?

[runic aspen]

3 magazines typically iirc
One in the gun and two spares

[haughty burrow]

So 3 in chest and 2 elsewhere

[runic aspen]

No
3 total

One in their gun then two spares

[haughty burrow]

I guess they don't need to use them all mainly

Anything more and the threat is much more severe

[gaunt holly]

Most cases they don't end up firing a single shot

[runic aspen]

If you're in a situation where you need more than three mags then you're probably in an actual warzone

[haughty burrow]

Yeah

[gaunt holly]

3 mags is actually nothing

Especially in a warzone environment

[haughty burrow]

I love how the shotguns in this game are like IRL

Tired of seeing shotguns like they are in Call Of Duty

[runic aspen]

3 mags is enough to take out a few dozen people unless your aim sucks ass

[gaunt holly]

3 mags is barely enough for breaking contact and retreating

[pastel mantle]

I only need 3 bullets

[haughty burrow]

I'm going to use a shotgun in this playthrough

[runic aspen]

Three bullets for how many people?

🤨

[haughty burrow]

3 bullets 30 people

😂

[pastel mantle]

The more the merrier. I would pick up their ammunition after

[runic aspen]

Maybe if it was a .50 cal you could take out 30 people with 3 rounds

[modest fern]

bros got Yondu ammunition

[haughty burrow]

Not sure if the guys irl be picking up bullets of suspect guns

[pastel mantle]

can always duel wield

[runic aspen]

Someone in an actual warzone would probably do that
A swat officer probably not

[haughty burrow]

Yeah talking about swat

I like the pacing of this game

One thing that I really enjoyed is no sprinting option

It's literally like IRL

[runic aspen]

I absolutely hate that

[haughty burrow]

The fastest you can move is to lower your gun and walk fast

And I do enjoy that

[runic aspen]

Walk fast = 1.001x faster

[haughty burrow]

Sprinting would make this game feel like Call of Duty

[pastel mantle]

Sprinting should def be an option, especially for active shooter missions. Its what cops do irl

[runic aspen]

You know in real life people sprint bro

[haughty burrow]

I like Call of Duty but I wouldn't want sprinting in this game

[runic aspen]

Mobility is incredibly important in a firefight

Both in real life and in games

[haughty burrow]

Personally I feel like it's plenty fast when you lower your gun and walk faster

[runic aspen]

DUDE ITS LITERALLY BARELY FASTER

[haughty burrow]

You guys are remembering to hit shift right?

😂

Toggle your walk speed?

[runic aspen]

Shift? No it's space

[pastel mantle]

i never walk in this game

[haughty burrow]

You can set it in your keyboard commands but you can toggle faster walking

[runic aspen]

I just got nuked through a wall
Great game

[haughty burrow]

This next play through I want to slow walk

Really lock in and focus

[pastel mantle]

Should bring a a walking stick with u at that point

[runic aspen]

Playing against cheating AI makes this exactly like call of duty having to deal with constant aimbot and wallhacks

[modest fern]

yuge skill issue

[haughty burrow]

I dunno about wall hacks or aimbot

[runic aspen]

Bigly*

[haughty burrow]

Looks like it

[haughty burrow]

If there is an option for that it would be hilarious 😂

[runic aspen]

You can sit at spawn in a map doing nothing and suspects will instantly know where you are

[gaunt holly]

I have a drawing that might help you

[pastel mantle]

use the mirror gun

[haughty burrow]

Sometimes it do be like that. Suspects aren't always static and can alter their behaviour each map and playthrough

[gaunt holly]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[runic aspen]

60 seconds of sitting in spawn at 23 megabytes a second and the AI knows where you are
Every time

[pastel mantle]

I wish suspects were more aggro. Like they should push u when reloading/ healing

[gaunt holly]

Study this religiously and you'll never die again

[haughty burrow]

For the Lethal Obsession map sometimes they come out shooting the front and other times they don't

[haughty burrow]

100% agree. They would make it so much more difficult and realistic.

[haughty burrow]

Wtf that's one of the easier missions

[pastel mantle]

Especially for the veteran maps. They exploit weaknesses like that irl

[hardy canopy]

Mods

[haughty burrow]

Are you walking into the kill box?

[runic aspen]

Sit at spawn and you'll see that within about 75 - 100 seconds you'll be dead, because the AI knows where you are despite you doing nothing to alert them

Just sit there doing nothing
And they'll come right for you

[haughty burrow]

I usually go hunting the AI in this map

[pastel mantle]

Why are u having pic nic outside? u are first responder

[gaunt holly]

Brother, this is not helping you beat the skill issue allegations 😂

[haughty burrow]

😂😂😂😂😂

[runic aspen]

I like to sit outside the scene
Dw
Things will work themselves out eventually without intervention

[haughty burrow]

@runic aspen did you recently get this game?

[runic aspen]

I've had this game for a year longer than you have probably

[haughty burrow]

Sounds like he'd fighting the AI with thoughts and prayers

[solid cape]

They will, because they can patrol outside on balcony, in any other case they dont know about you and you can actually sneak behind them

[haughty burrow]

Yeah sounds like you have.

[runic aspen]

My first achievement in this game was December 26th 2023

So yes I've had it a lot longer than you probably

[haughty burrow]

Have you completed all the missions yet?

[hardy canopy]

FUCK!!! PIGS!!! RATATATATATATA

[runic aspen]

Only noobs complete missions

[frigid sparrow]

yo ketchup

[runic aspen]

[frigid sparrow]

since your still here lemme ask you sum about computers

[hardy canopy]

I fucking love and hate the voice lines in this game

[haughty burrow]

The audio is immaculate in this game

[pastel mantle]

should be able to talk shit to suspects like in isnurgency sandstorm

[hardy canopy]

For one they are entertaining, but they also kill some of the fun and can kill immersion

[gaunt holly]

"I CAN HEAR EM!!!" - Suspect in every map

[frigid sparrow]

aight so i got a B550M-A AC motherboard rn, and a ryzen 5000 for a cpu, and obviously i need to update my gpu from previous conversations, should i upgrade to a 4060 because they're at a good price

[hardy canopy]

I don't like it that in TN or Dorms you can tell often tell if they are a civi or a suspect based on voice lines

That is one of the best parts of those maps

[runic aspen]

4060 is bad
It can't do 4k

3060 is better

[hardy canopy]

That you have to treat everyone as a suspect

[haughty burrow]

No do not buy a 4060 heck if any 40 series cards atm

[frigid sparrow]

how is a 4060 worse than 3060

whats the naming system for gpus

lmfao

[runic aspen]

Because they cheaped the fuck out on vram

[haughty burrow]

It's an abomination of a GPU please avoid

[frigid sparrow]

interesting i see

[runic aspen]

4060 is one of the worst gpus money can buy

[haughty burrow]

You're better off getting a used 3080 10gb

[hardy canopy]

Yeah you will definitely do 4k on a 3060

[haughty burrow]

3060 is slow

[runic aspen]

I do not every day

[frigid sparrow]

for a budget of like 500 cad what do you recommend then for a gpu

[runic aspen]

3060

It will do 4k for you

[haughty burrow]

I would get a 3080 or 6800xt

For $500 cad easily

Which province are you from?

[runic aspen]

You can't get a working 3080 for $500

[haughty burrow]

Yes you can

[runic aspen]

No

[frigid sparrow]

does a 1050ti do 5k LMFAO if not then im willing to cheap out in order to not have that 4k cause ive lived without it

4k*

[frigid sparrow]

'berta

[haughty burrow]

Ah I'm not familiar with prices out there but in Toronto you can ez pickup 3080 or 6800xt for $500cad

[runic aspen]

3060 is enough for max settings at 1440p and 1080p in almost any game Youre good then

[haughty burrow]

I'm seeing plentty of ads

[runic aspen]

3080 is purely for 4k

[frigid sparrow]

cad is the same across canada i'm more likely to pick one up online

[hardy canopy]

Yeah because you can get a used 3090 for that money

[haughty burrow]

3080 is not meant for 4k?

[runic aspen]

Tell that to the fact it does 4k masterfully

[haughty burrow]

3080 barely has enough VRAM for this game at 1440p

It'll work but 3080 isn't my first choice

6800xt is much better buy

[hardy canopy]

You be playing ancient ass games dawg

[runic aspen]

Dawg
What game are you playing rn

I'm using a 3060 at 4k in ron
High settings

[haughty burrow]

Yes it'll work

[runic aspen]

No
Recent games

[haughty burrow]

But you won't get optimal experience

[runic aspen]

High settings is pretty fucking optimal

There's only one step up

[haughty burrow]

I would pick 3080 over 3060 any day of the week

But 6800xt over both

[frigid sparrow]

ketchup if i sent you an amazon link or a screenshot of the page would you be good to tell me if its good

[runic aspen]

Yeah

[frigid sparrow]

aight ty

[haughty burrow]

I'm seeing so many used 3080 for $500 cad and $600

If you buying 3060 for $500 thats crazy

[frigid sparrow]

nah its like

419

[haughty burrow]

For which GPU?

What resolution are you playing on?

[frigid sparrow]

wait im stupid ts a 4060

[haughty burrow]

Ignore 4060

3060 isn't much better but I wouldn't buy either

3060 is slow af

It had VRAM but that's about it

Nvidia very stupid with their GPU VRAM

[hardy canopy]

B580

[frigid sparrow]

sorry i searched up 3060 on amazon and a 4060 came up LMFAO

i sent that dude a link to a 4060 asking if its a good 3060 LMAO

[haughty burrow]

Does it run this game good? I'm honestly impressed how far intel has come

[frigid sparrow]

so what do you reccomend

[haughty burrow]

What's your budget?

And what resolution are you playing on?

[frigid sparrow]

500 cad

[runic aspen]

3060 isn't slow, I can show you examples of what it does if you want 😭

[frigid sparrow]

1080 i think

[haughty burrow]

I had a 3060 before too. It's slow

[frigid sparrow]

like the monitor resolution? 1920x1080

i think thats what the card is outputting

[hardy canopy]

Idk about ron specifically but it easily beats a 4060 on average. Even when the 4060 has 8gb of vram it will still edge out the 3060 too. Idk why anyone would buy that card in 2025 as new

[runic aspen]

Then how can I game 4k max settings in games that look fucking amazing

[hardy canopy]

Pretty much all dx11 and dx12 games run well. It's always been more of a problem with backwards compatibility on legacy API's

[runic aspen]

You clearly had a 3050 or something

[haughty burrow]

Okay for 1080p honestly a 3080 or 6800xt literally fits your $500 cad budget
Check on Facebook market place. If you gotta go for new then 6750xt

[runic aspen]

A 3080 is overkill for 1080p

[haughty burrow]

Good for you on running this game at 60fps...

[runic aspen]

You don't need more than 60 fps in a non-competitive game

I hate tech illiterate people man 💀

[frigid sparrow]

literally anything that is a decent jump from the 1050ti im running right now is ideal

[hardy canopy]

That's just an opinion and not a fact

[haughty burrow]

I dunno man whatever floats your boat but for pc gaming having the ability to go above 60fps and not doing so. Defeats the purpose of pc gaming IMO

[solid cape]

Only if you don't care about smoothness and mouse respond feeling

[runic aspen]

Unless you want like a few hundred fps you don't need anything else what that guy was suggesting

[haughty burrow]

What CPU do you have?

[frigid sparrow]

ryzen 5000

[frigid sparrow]

gotchu

[runic aspen]

Higher than 60 fps = screen tearing

[haughty burrow]

Which one?

[runic aspen]

I always limit to 60 and have vsync on

[haughty burrow]

I am not sure if you're trolling but if you are you're terrible 🤔

[runic aspen]

This guy doesn't know about screen tearing? 😭

[frigid sparrow]

5600x

[hardy canopy]

Did you know that higher than 60hz displays exist. Also did you know any modern monitor made in the last 5 years does NOT have an issue with screen tearing because these days companies know what the fuck they're actually doing

[haughty burrow]

Don't pair excessively better gpu than CPU.. Which 5000 series do you have?

[runic aspen]

Most people are running 60 hz screens

[haughty burrow]

Man plays games on pc and doesn't want above 60hz.. Buddy should have stayed on console

[runic aspen]

Also literally screen tearing is a massive issue to this day, are you drunk

[frigid sparrow]

im running a 75hz monitor but yeah frames above that arent necessary because yes screen tearing exists

[haughty burrow]

Yes the people in the office are adequate with 60hz

[hardy canopy]

Most people as in general public who own a PC. Majority of "pc gamers" run higher than 60hz

[frigid sparrow]

i run vsync on everything anyways

[haughty burrow]

It's why you don't use vsync and limit fps from game or rivatuner

Why the hell are you using vsync?

[runic aspen]

That's false actually
Most people don't have $500 to drop on a 1080p monitor to get 120 hz instead of 60 hz

[frigid sparrow]

convenient LMFAO

[frigid sparrow]

5600x

[haughty burrow]

Just use rivatuner to limit fps so you don't have input lag

[runic aspen]

Merely limiting fps doesn't even eliminate screen tearing bud

You can cap your fps and still get screen tearing

You need full vsync

[gaunt holly]

What's the best fps?

[runic aspen]

As much as possible ideally
But screen tearing makes high fps an inconvenience

[frigid sparrow]

i dont think theres like an exactly ideal number

yeah

[haughty burrow]

@frigid sparrow 5600x + 6750xt would be alright for 1080p. You'll have an awesome experience

[frigid sparrow]

ketchup thoughts

[haughty burrow]

6750xt (new)
6800xt (used)
3080 (used)

If you have a higher refresh rate monitor screen tearing is almost irrelevant

If your gpu can push high enough fps

[frigid sparrow]

i think i have vsync on globally through my graphics card app

[haughty burrow]

I wouldn't pick any gpu under 10gb of VRAM and not the 3060

[runic aspen]

I don't recommend an AMD GPU personally

Their cpus are great

Their gpus are rather mediocre in quality

[frigid sparrow]

cause i played ROBLOX and had screen tearing which was something i never experienced then i figured out how to enable vsync somehow

[haughty burrow]

I play on a 6800xt and it runs this game great

[hardy canopy]

you can buy a 100hz IPS monitor for 110 USD. 144hz above for slighgtly more. around 250 USD for 1440p 144+hz. you are trolling.

[frigid sparrow]

their prices are looking a little better, by mediocre in quality do you mean very specific things people who are more advanced like you are bothered by or a general overall worse experience

[haughty burrow]

I get like 120fps all the time

[runic aspen]

From a subpar brand sure

[frigid sparrow]

because all i need is just, idk, faster than what it is rn and given i'm running a 1050ti anything above that works

[runic aspen]

They can't do dlss, they're bad at ray tracing, they don't last as long, etc

[haughty burrow]

Sure but for $500 I'd lock in a 6800xt if you're looking for best bang for buck

[frigid sparrow]

dlss looks horrible

[haughty burrow]

Or 6700xt if you're trying to save more

[runic aspen]

Fsr looks worse

[frigid sparrow]

probably stupid question but does 1050ti have decent ray tracing

[haughty burrow]

6700xt used can be had for $250 cad

[runic aspen]

No lmao it can't even raytrace at all

[frigid sparrow]

FSR actually surprisingly looked better than i thought when i tried it today

[runic aspen]

I also don't recommend buying a used GPU fyi

[haughty burrow]

IMO FSR looks slightly better but it's all subjective. Either or is okay

[frigid sparrow]

SEEEE thats what I mean, i don't need all the features i didnt even have before to be the best

[hardy canopy]

😭 not even

[frigid sparrow]

definitely not going to

[runic aspen]

When you buy used GPUs you always run the risk of it being damaged, people don't take great care of their PCs

[haughty burrow]

Then buy a new 6750xt

[frigid sparrow]

yeah that makes total sense,

[haughty burrow]

Just don't buy a 4060

[frigid sparrow]

but yeah overall i'm just looking for the cheapest option within that budget that will in some way upgrade my setup

[haughty burrow]

And you're good

[hardy canopy]

this is literally a classic case of a person who got their tech knowledge from.. around the time of 2012-2017 and thinks nothing has ever change since. you got to be kidding me 😭

[runic aspen]

I literally looked at 144 hz monitors a month ago
Nothing from any decent brand was available for cheaper than a few hundred bucks

[frigid sparrow]

i can spend 500 on a gpu but below that is more preferable

[hardy canopy]

you're the type to buy a samsung piece of shit G5 aren't you

[runic aspen]

Asus and Dell are both actual shit brands, there's a reason they're the cheaper screens

[hardy canopy]

it's not about the brand, it's about the product. hell here is a fucking shocker for you. most of the monitor oem's do not make the panels themselves

[runic aspen]

Anyone who knows anything knows not to trust either brand

[haughty burrow]

I cannot tell if you are trolling but if that's the advice you're offering you're completely wrong

[frigid sparrow]

my motherboard and monitor are asus

[runic aspen]

Well RIP 💀

[haughty burrow]

Alienware Monitor is one of the best on the market atm

[frigid sparrow]

LMAO, havent caused me any issues so far

[haughty burrow]

Man does not keep up with modern hardware

[hardy canopy]

i'm done here

[runic aspen]

Alienware is overpriced for something you can get for like 75% cheaper

Alienware is the biggest scam

[haughty burrow]

Trolling is one thing but bad advice is another

[hardy canopy]

mf says he can't stand tech illiterate people...well personally i can't stand stupid people

[runic aspen]

Alienware shit is worse quality than an equivalent product of another brand and yet somehow 4x the price

[haughty burrow]

Bro I think you're delusional. But Alienware atm is literally one of the top choices for 1440p OLED monitors

[runic aspen]

OLED is disgusting

It's actually terrible

[frigid sparrow]

ketchup what about a 6650xt would you say should deterr me from buying it

[gaunt holly]

Remember guys, rule #1

• No being mean!

[runic aspen]

I'm not familiar with that one
It appears to be slightly more powerful than a 3060

[frigid sparrow]

but you also mentioned you didnt like amd

[runic aspen]

Not by large margins though

They don't last as long

[frigid sparrow]

gotchu, how long would you say it would last

[haughty burrow]

Each to their own but whatever floats your boat just don't tell someone else bad advice

[haughty burrow]

Fr

[runic aspen]

It's probably gonna last 7 or 8 years whereas an Nvidia one will last 10 or more if you take especially good care of it

[haughty burrow]

😂

[frigid sparrow]

i feel like in 7 or 8 years this gpu will be far too outdated right

[runic aspen]

Probably

[frigid sparrow]

i'll be replacing it anyways at that point so

not a huge worry of mine

anything else i should be aware of?

[runic aspen]

Not particularly

[haughty burrow]

Accurate 😂

[frigid sparrow]

gotchu i see

well i mean thats the only one you can both agree on which seems to be an extremely impressive feat so

i feel like imma go with that

[runic aspen]

It's also very possible it'll still be usable, because of fsr advancements

[frigid sparrow]

i'll give you the link to check out for the one im looking at

[runic aspen]

Yeah that one looks good

You are going to be held back by 8 GB vram though tbh

[frigid sparrow]

where do you think that'd be a problem, like where would you see that start causing issues for me for an example

[runic aspen]

8 GB is like bare minimum for modern games

[frigid sparrow]

how much vram do you recommend

[runic aspen]

Some games need more than 8 GB in fact, like that new Indiana Jones game, 3060 outperforms 4060 by 10 fps for reasons of vran alone

[frigid sparrow]

i will not lie to you like the only 3 games i play are roblox, forza 5 and occasionally RON

i shouldnt be too burdened by that kind of preformance limit

the only other games i see myself playing are both gta6 and forza 6 when each of them come out

[runic aspen]

gta 6 is going to definitely need more than 8 GB

[frigid sparrow]

gotchu, how much vram should i have then

[runic aspen]

But that one isn't even gonna be out for PC for years so you don't need to worry about that for a while

In a few years most cards you can buy currently aren't going to hold up well regardless so

[frigid sparrow]

it's true, pc building sucks

expensive because everything advances too fast for anything slightly old to keep up

[frigid sparrow]

^

[gaunt holly]

Is forza going backwards? I remember getting forza 7 years ago

[runic aspen]

That never happened 💀

[frigid sparrow]

LMAO i dont think so

oh shit forza motorsport had a 7th one

[gaunt holly]

I have the disk lol

[frigid sparrow]

forza horizon no though

i'm specifically talking about forza horizon

[gaunt holly]

O i c

[runic aspen]

Like I said unless you're planning on getting into playing super recent games 8 GB should be plenty

[frigid sparrow]

okay sounds good, well i think imma get the one i sent you then

how substantial of a jump do you think i'll find it to be from a 1050ti

[runic aspen]

Dude what are you talking about
Forza motorsport 1 released like a year ago, how is there a 7 already

[runic aspen]

Multiple times more performance

[frigid sparrow]

forza motorsport 7 was released in 2017

i just googled it im as surprised as you LOL

[runic aspen]

Then what's the current Forza motorsport doing without a number 💀

[frigid sparrow]

alright good shit, thank you for the help mate

[runic aspen]

How is the one without a number made after 7

[frigid sparrow]

they're actually just going down in numbers and then they stopped with the number system in 2023

nevermind, FM6 was released 2015 which adds up

but holy shit that's a lot of releases for the same game

i never got why people bought games which have an entirely new release yearly

what a goddamn waste of money

[runic aspen]

Lol

It's like call of duty players buying the same game every year but most suck worse than the one that came before it

[frigid sparrow]

my GPU was the last thing that needed replacement so after this i'll finally not have to worry about my pc until it's so outdated it doesnt function anymore and im forced to replace it

[hardy canopy]

Modern racing games are either full on hot wheels or simulators

[frigid sparrow]

which is how i got here LMFAO

[runic aspen]

The only good call of duty is black ops cold war

[fervent socket]

The same with fifa or whatever it's called now

[runic aspen]

Madden too

[hardy canopy]

Just FC i believe

[frigid sparrow]

you think i'll need to upgrade my power supply ketchup?

[runic aspen]

Madden
FIFA
NBA 2k
WWE whatever the fuck

All those games that are literally the same every year, just with different rosters

[runic aspen]

What's your current power supply wattage

[frigid sparrow]

500w

[hardy canopy]

Why do i feel like it's one of those thermaltake smart units

[frigid sparrow]

yeah all the sports games come to mind when i think of those constant releases

evga or some shit the brand logo is so unreadable i cant even tell

oh yeah it is EVGA

[rocky burrow]

yo chat, do i delete the mod.io folder

[hardy canopy]

then i assume it's a BQ

Or worse a W1

[runic aspen]

Your new GPU is going to be like 100 watts more than your old one
I know 550 is enough for me with my ryzen 7600 and 3060

I'm unsure if your 500 watts will be enough

Time will tell I guess

[frigid sparrow]

LMAO what do you mean time will tell

what happens if my power supply is too low again

[runic aspen]

I mean well see eventually

[frigid sparrow]

i genuinely know like the most surface level shit when it comes to pcs

[runic aspen]

if your GPU decides to draw power you don't have your PC will shut off usually

[frigid sparrow]

fun, atleast thats not harmful

and very easy to diagnose LOL

[runic aspen]

Yeah it's not gonna hurt anything

[frigid sparrow]

if you're running those at 550 i should be good at 500

with a 5600x

[runic aspen]

I also have RGBs and a shit ton of fans also running on my 550 watts so yeah you're probably gonna be fine

[hardy canopy]

What's gonna happens is during a transient spike a really bad psu doesn't have the capacity and response time to adjust so your system is just gonna suddenly shut down

[frigid sparrow]

my motherboard doesnt have enough fan inputs so i actually just took one out

[runic aspen]

It's also possible it will blue screen instead of shutting down

[frigid sparrow]

now i only have intake and exhaust

at 1 point each

but i mean she seems happy so far so 💀

yeah my motherboards at 29 celcius im fine

[runic aspen]

Yeah so this is going to get a lot warmer, 2 fans ain't gonna cut it

[frigid sparrow]

well

2 fans at one point for intake and 3 for exhaust

[runic aspen]

How hot does your current GPU get

Typically

[frigid sparrow]

i haven't looked at the temperature while using it a decent amount yet cause i wasn't worried about it

ill put 'er to the test rq

currently sitting at 34.5 degrees tho

only got a youtube tab playing and discord open

fans are at like silent rn

[runic aspen]

I've got a fuckjilliion fans in mine, and it still gets up to like 67 Celsius, and of you got that 6650 or whatever, it's gonna be slightly more powerful, and it has slightly higher power draw, so it's probably going to be a bit hotter

[frigid sparrow]

below like 80 degrees is fine right so i should be good

aslong as it isnt like constantly sitting at 79 whenever im gaming i should be aiight

i think >80 is for cpu nvm

i forgot

[runic aspen]

Below 80 you're fine, yeah
Above that it throttles, so your temperature would drop but you'll lose performance
90 - 100 is when you're going to start approaching damage territory

[frigid sparrow]

nvm i was right nice

[frigid sparrow]

okay gotchu

[cobalt tinsel]

guys

[frigid sparrow]

lmfao loaded up RON into training mode and gpu immediately spikes to like 54 degrees

[runic aspen]

[cobalt tinsel]

what do you mean ‘80 degrees’?

[runic aspen]

Talking about gpu temps

[frigid sparrow]

thats the temperature my gpu can be at before its considered abuse

[runic aspen]

A cpu can reach like 100 and survive without problems these days which is crazy

[frigid sparrow]

5600x is relatively new right

[runic aspen]

Yours only has a max temp of 95
But that's still pretty damn good

[hardy canopy]

modern hardware doesn't let you cook itself without modifying the vbios

[frigid sparrow]

never gets near that yeah we're good

[cobalt tinsel]

alr

[runic aspen]

You still decrease the longevity even if it's not at max temps

Once it gets hot enough to throttle is when you're in "well there's a chance this could fuck something" territory

[stray oracle]

gn chat

I got my fist "excessive force" when the guy was faking his surrender lol

[hardy canopy]

yeah the silicon might physically die in 12-15 years instead of 20 years but let's be honest it's ewaste long before that

[runic aspen]

Nah
I know people who play modern games on 15 year old hardware that's almost definitely also on ddr3 ram

[hardy canopy]

"modern"

[runic aspen]

GTX 760 can play modern games

Resident evil remakes
Back 4 blood
Left 4 dead

Wait no world war z not left 4 dead
Wtf was my brain thinking

[frigid sparrow]

aight after a full game in RON shes sitting at 60 celcius

[hardy canopy]

jollygood experience

[runic aspen]

Stable 60 fps at 1080p in world war z, which lags sometimes on consoles

That's pretty decent honestly

[cobalt tinsel]

which misson is the most horrible
1 hid and seek
2 Ends of the Earth
3 ides of march
4 vally of dolls
5 neon tomb
6 twisted nerve

[frigid sparrow]

just under*

[runic aspen]

All
Because no Diddy party

[cobalt tinsel]

lol

[runic aspen]

Objective Complete (Reported evidence of Baby Oil Storage) +50

[cobalt tinsel]

Objective completed (arrested diddy’s wife)+500

[frigid sparrow]

is the thats pretty decent about the gpu temp

[runic aspen]

Objective complete (obtained the pizza boxes) + 69

[runic aspen]

That's not bad
But like I said the new one will be a bit hotter lol

[frigid sparrow]

well i mean aslong as its not being fried

[stray oracle]

2 or 1?

lit everthing can run l4d2

i play in a laptop men

[runic aspen]

I didn't mean left 4 dead, I even said so 😭

[frigid sparrow]

if its of absolute necessity i can just run the fans on full speed to keep the gpu alive lmfao

but thats only if its reaching actually dangerous temperatures

[runic aspen]

Even overclocked out the ass my max GPU temps were only 67 because my cooling system is decent

[frigid sparrow]

overclocking sounds like the most terrifying thing to do

i kinda regret not trying to do it on my old setup because i didnt give a fuck about any of that hardware

[stray oracle]

fr

[runic aspen]

It's fine
The worse that will happen is
#1: your temps will go up
#2: you might crash your games or your PC if you slide those sliders too far

Otherwise nothing bad will have

[hardy canopy]

once again, gpu's don't let you damage them without modifying the vbios or doing pcb modding.

[stray oracle]

type "then why the hell do you buy certain equipment if you're going to end up modifying it"

[frigid sparrow]

what do you achieve from overclocking

[frigid sparrow]

gotchu i see

[cobalt tinsel]

Get banned

[runic aspen]

Again that's not entirely accurate

[cobalt tinsel]

?

[frigid sparrow]

how would you

[runic aspen]

You increase your frames by like 5 fps

[frigid sparrow]

get banned from using your own hardware as intended

[frigid sparrow]

Ah yes i completely understand now

[hardy canopy]

tell me why it's not accurate

[cobalt tinsel]

No i ment if the game overclocked you will get back to head i guess

[frigid sparrow]

wym

[cobalt tinsel]

Idk

[frigid sparrow]

okay

[cobalt tinsel]

Overclocked

Will just do nothing

[frigid sparrow]

is there any other scenario thats more like reasonable for overclocking

or do people actually just risk hardware for

[hardy canopy]

so i take it you don't know, alright

[cobalt tinsel]

Btw i am sry for typing get banned i ment if the misso overclocked

[frigid sparrow]

5 more fps give or take a little

[runic aspen]

It's not especially risky if you're using the right hardware and software at all

[frigid sparrow]

you're a tad bit confusing but other than that no problem

[runic aspen]

As long as you have a cooling system you're fine

[cobalt tinsel]

What if i have a hot system

[frigid sparrow]

ah okay, when people talk about overclocking they make it sound like you're stepping into an active war by turning it on

[cobalt tinsel]

Like my computer is very hot

[frigid sparrow]

like literally anythign could happen

[hardy canopy]

some people do. most people do not. you can make overclocking dangerous too

[runic aspen]

Like I said, temps
Your GPU kill switch is set to a higher temp than if should be, you can in fact damage a GPU by overheating it

[frigid sparrow]

your RAM could just pop out and attack you because you overclocked your computer

[runic aspen]

As long as you don't overvolt and your cooling system is rather beefy you can overclock as much as you want

[hardy canopy]

do you care to citate a source

[frigid sparrow]

whats that thing called that runs immediately when your computer boots up to see if theres any problems then turns off the pc if there is

[runic aspen]

That's just your operating system
That's why startup takes a while sometimes
Windows 11 doesn't run as many checks as 10 which is why it boots faster

[frigid sparrow]

windows 10 and 11 booted up quick as shit the entire time ive had this computer

theres a specific name for the operation though

[runic aspen]

Dude ten takes like 30 seconds to a minute and 11 takes like 15 seconds 💀 10 isn't fast when you compare it to 11

[frigid sparrow]

i havent even noticed a difference since switching to 11

[runic aspen]

Not only does 11 boot faster but you also get better fps in games

[frigid sparrow]

and i switched to 11 with the new hardware too i didnt even have windows 11 on my old hardware

i wouldnt be able to notice lmfao because i changed everything along with the os update so i have nothing to compare it to besides the different hardware not the OS itself

[hardy canopy]

bios loads first but it's not really a troubleshooting thing. it just has certain checks in place usually, not every oem does this tho

[frigid sparrow]

i remembered it

POST

power on self test

[runic aspen]

Like anywhere between 1 - 5 fps extra on Windows 11 compared to 10

How is it possible I have three dudes named Robinson in my squad

[frigid sparrow]

my old processor was so bad it wouldnt allow me to upgrade to windows 11

it didnt meet the requirements

[runic aspen]

Here's a little secret

You can run windows 11 on old "incompatible" PCs by forcing the upgrade

[frigid sparrow]

yes i could have just boot loaded windows 11

knew it

LOL

[runic aspen]

People on very old hardware are capable of running 11 just fine lol
The hardware requirements are a load of shit

[frigid sparrow]

i thought of doing that myself then googled it and it said some shit about windows being pissy about when you do that and refusing to let you reactivate windows or some shit

or like refusing updates

i realize now that makes no sense

[runic aspen]

They say they'll refuse updates

But they still let you update 💀

[frigid sparrow]

but the difference in my experience and competence when it came to computers was extremely large from back when i was researching that to today

[frigid sparrow]

i still to this day have no idea where those rumors come from

why tf would they refuse updates for hardware that is currently running the OS it's "incapable of running"

[runic aspen]

When you force the update you get notifications and shit that say you'll be refused updates, but those notifications are lies

[frigid sparrow]

interesting

sounds very much like microsoft

[runic aspen]

They try and scare you out of doing it because they don't want you to do it

I know someone who's on like a 15 year old PC that's been using 11 for a couple years and no issues

[frigid sparrow]

definitely worked for me like 2 years ago

[frigid sparrow]

LMAO good shit

[hardy canopy]

microsoft trying to control the public perception, especially on launch. i imagine they didn't want a bunch of people with legacy hardware to get into early windows 11 and then be loud and complain about why it doesn't run optimally

[runic aspen]

Even the "ai" features work

[frigid sparrow]

holy fuck i hate 'copilot'

[languid light]

Hello I still couldn't figure out how to make the game harder it's still very easy

[frigid sparrow]

theres nothing useful about it

cortana was equally as useful bruh

and cortana didnt do shit

[runic aspen]

For real
It's literally just chatgpt but censored even heavier for some reason

[hardy canopy]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/797

[frigid sparrow]

and slower

everything about copilot just takes a long time

[rocky burrow]

Hey can someone tell me how to download Armed SWAT and CharacterLookOverrider cause its hiddon on nexus mods

[frigid sparrow]

i remember when i was one of the 2 people on the entire globe who used microsoft edge and every time id google something it'd first redirect me to 'copilots response'

[runic aspen]

At least it doesn't tell you eating rocks is healthy like what Gemini does

[frigid sparrow]

#🔧modding-chat would probably be more helpful for you

[frigid sparrow]

LMFAO

[rocky burrow]

yeah no ones in there 💀

[frigid sparrow]

fair enough i dont know why i didnt assume that

typically is LOL

[runic aspen]

Gemini is like "eat 5 - 10 small or medium rocks per day because of minerals"

[frigid sparrow]

was gemini the google one

[runic aspen]

Yes

[frigid sparrow]

which one told people smoking 5-6 packs of cigs a day is ideal for preparation for childbirth

cause that shit was fucking gold

[runic aspen]

Probably Gemini

[frigid sparrow]

lmfao seems like it

[runic aspen]

Gemini has some unhinged responses

[frigid sparrow]

then there was that catholic church ai bot that told people to baptize their babies in gatorade

ai is fucking hilarious

[hardy canopy]

they do have further plans to switch from cloud based to running it locally whenever possible

most users do not have dedicated neural processing units tho

[frigid sparrow]

i can imagine immediately how horribly they're going to optimize it when they do that

[hardy canopy]

which are required

[frigid sparrow]

im going to see my cpu spike to 100% usage when i ask co-pilot how to make mac and cheese at home

[languid light]

How can I make the game harder

[frigid sparrow]

mods

[fervent socket]

Mods

[frigid sparrow]

if the mods dont make it difficult enough your fucked

you can just tell people you're the best and enjoy the game past that

[hardy canopy]

it won't use x86 instructions

[languid light]

Thnx mam

[fervent socket]

Or go solo without armor with just the colt with the snubnose

[runic aspen]

Anyone who has an RTX GPU can do such things

[frigid sparrow]

wym

[runic aspen]

Tensor cores baby

Those work wonders

[languid light]

What is commander mode quick play and training I know training but what's the other 2

[fervent socket]

Commander mode is the single player mode

[hardy canopy]

it's not really commercially viable tho for office workstations

however both intel and amd are heading to a direction where NPU's are included in cpu's

[fervent socket]

Idk about quickplay, i think it lets you choose a mission without going to the Police station

[hardy canopy]

commander is quote on quote story mode and single player is... dumb

[languid light]

Why is single player dumb

[low nexus]

Hey there, sorry to interrupt or just jump in, but do you guys know much about the keybinds not actually changing? I've reset like 5 times, changed the actual file too

[frigid sparrow]

ive hated commander mode ever since its release

[hardy canopy]

you choose a map and you play with ai but there are minimal stakes

[runic aspen]

Single player is better because the AI doesn't try and make small talk like other humans would

The ai also can aim

Other players have shit aim

The ai teammates basically have hacks like the enemies do

It's great

[fervent socket]

Well, there is the aim assist setting

[languid light]

Fr and one thing more when I press 4 to select taser it automatically selects something else so I have to press it again to select taser

[fervent socket]

You can hold 4 and scroll

It works with 3,4 and 6

[runic aspen]

Who the fuck put aim assist in a game that doesn't support controllers

[fervent socket]

Since 1 and 2 are your guns, and 5 is long tactical

[fervent socket]

I don't know, it works in the shooting range

It's on medium by default

[rocky burrow]

does anyone know any good mods that make deaths look more brutal and makes it more realistic

[runic aspen]

I wish it did because I don't have a mouse pad and my desk isn't flat so my mouse movements are unpredictable and erratic

[fervent socket]

It's in the accesibility tab

[low nexus]

Im on laptop

[languid light]

No I mean when I am using my main gun I wanna quick switch to taser instead of the other things can I do that

[runic aspen]

No amount of aim assist could help inconsistent mouse movements

[fervent socket]

The high setting of aim assist is pretty strong from what i saw, try it for yourself

It almost removed recoil from the scar

[fervent socket]

Hold 4 and scroll

[frigid sparrow]

aight gents imma go to sleep, have an amazing night guys, thank you a shit ton ketchup and indigo for the help

[runic aspen]

You underestimate the inconsistencies rough surfaces can cause in mouse inputs

Unless it's aimbot or something

[fervent socket]

Goodnight

[runic aspen]

I could get a mouse pad but man that's probably like $5

[fervent socket]

I don't really know how it works but you should try it if your desk is such a big problem

[runic aspen]

The surface is about as rough as a piece of gravel is
Approximately

Lots of ridges and shit

Its not even a desk
It's just a table i repurposed for my gaming room

[fervent socket]

Oh

Did you try sanding it so its a bit flater

[runic aspen]

I'm not sure about the effectiveness of sandpaper on plastic
I'm also not sure that's very cost effective, would be cheaper to pay the $5 or whatever for a mousepad

[fervent socket]

Depends what kind of plastic

But yeah a mouse pad would be better

[languid light]

Nvm got it

[fervent socket]

Got what

[rocky burrow]

can someone tell me what mods i can and cant download

cause my game keeps fucking saying i need to verify some shit

[runic aspen]

What you should do instead of mods is enable auto HDR.

It really changes the whole experience

[rocky burrow]

someone help pls 😭

[runic aspen]

Like I said hdr completely changes the game so try that

[fervent socket]

#💻tech-support message

[fringe wasp]

Hi friends,

Ive recently played a few missions with friends and noticed that the host isnt always "gold".

Is there something else that chooses team leaders out of a group?

[worthy birch]

quick questin when playing solo - im going through elephant again to try to get a decent score. is there a way of commanding the 2 teams so that a reduced number of civilian casualties occur (0 - 1) whilst beating the 10 min timer?

[tough breach]

Your primary obstacle is the 2-3 minute timer before they start killing civs. Ignore the bombs until all 4 shooters are dead/arrested

[cobalt tinsel]

Yeah

[wintry loom]

is there a differnt sensitivity for mouse sens and ads sensitivity?

[rocky burrow]

no one active in that channel

[fervent socket]

Did you saw the message from the link?

[blazing sinew]

I have an idea for dlc 3: los suenos is on fire and looters are impersonating firefighters to loot burning houses. It would introduce new game mechanics like fire spreading through the houses and the structures collapsing, maybe firefighters-like equipment.

[frigid sparrow]

people really seem to want to integrate these california fires into a swat game i dont get it

why would swat be deployed for looters

[autumn halo]

Ready Or Not: Firestorm DLC

Maybe callouts after the LS Fire just like the Home Invasion DLC

[blazing sinew]

Yeah sure but why would swat be deployed offshore to an oil rig

[frigid sparrow]

extremely random question but probably to capture someone who is wanted by the department or to respond to an active threat

is that one of the dlcs they have up?

[autumn halo]

Well COAST took the PD as a their HQ

[blazing sinew]

Yeah dark waters

[blazing sinew]

Yes but is it possible to be a swat officer and a coast officer at the same time? Otherwise it wouldn’t make sense that judge was dispatched

[frigid sparrow]

according to the dlc description the story of the map deploys swat because the oil rig was overrun by terrorists executing workers

[autumn halo]

Judge is the SWAT commander around

[frigid sparrow]

which makes complete sense as to the specific question of why would you deploy swat

[fallen sail]

The leader seems to be random now for some reason, no clue why

[frigid sparrow]

i dont think its stupid to want to find some way to integrate real life events into games like these i just dont get how fires would in any way warrant the response of an assault group

[autumn halo]

Well all we know that 213 Park is like LA fire

[frigid sparrow]

if it were a game around normal police patrol yes absolutely for helping people find shelter and generally assisting people, traffic control etc but guns dont put out fires so SWAT isnt really relevant to it

[frigid sparrow]

how

[blazing sinew]

Wdym

[autumn halo]

In the evidence locker, that's a evidence called "the cooking man"

[frigid sparrow]

maybe an arsonist yeah but lke

would you be deploying swat into an active fire to find an arsonist?

[autumn halo]

So the 213 Park fire happened in 1997

[frigid sparrow]

probably not

[autumn halo]

No but criminals or suspects will use this time to commit crimes

[frigid sparrow]

if you were deploying swat to find an arsonist its really unlikely it'd be in the midst of a fire

[blazing sinew]

There was a fire in the twisted nerve neighborhood?

[frigid sparrow]

general crimes like stealing looting etc arent really means to deploy an assault team

[autumn halo]

Around the 213 park area

[frigid sparrow]

do you kinda get what im saying, it just doesnt really apply

[blazing sinew]

Yeah kinda

[frigid sparrow]

i think your idea of an arsonist is absolutely realistic and applicable

but it just doesnt require a fire to be present for the story to make sense

[blazing sinew]

What could be dlc 3 then

[frigid sparrow]

idk i never buy dlc for games

i have always absolutely hated the idea of having to pay MORE for content in a game you already bought

[autumn halo]

Prolly related to the MLO

Bc since the MLO will be returning soon

[blazing sinew]

How do you know that? They’ve been gone for so long

[blazing sinew]

Yeah that sucks

[frigid sparrow]

always thought the entire concept of DLC was greedy asf but its extremely normalized now so i've never complained about it

[blazing sinew]

Wdym?

[autumn halo]

Or maybe some more missions about the USIA and Judge's backstory

Since there was a huge MLO logo in 3 Letter Triad

[blazing sinew]

We gettin judge lore before gta vi

[autumn halo]

Since Judge is prolly a sleeper agent

[blazing sinew]

Yeah he doesn’t need therapy, food or sleep

[stray oracle]

Need kill crackheads

[smoky wharf]

Hey guys, anyone knows how to use magnifier of modded weapons?

and zoom optics, lets a scope is 1x /4x

[sacred lichen]

Also the secret room

[autumn halo]

Oh yea but its only an easter egg

[languid light]

This game is so poorly optimized it dosent even matter if I'm on epic or low I get the same fps

Fps are constant ig its how because the light works in-game it causes stutters

Can I lock fps

What is helmet camera fps limit

I get the same fps on epic and on low

[pliant briar]

bro just discovered cpu bottleneck

[languid light]

Naw it's just with this game

Ain't no bottleneck

[pliant briar]

helmet camera fps limit is exactly what it says it is. fps limit of the helmet camera

[languid light]

What is the helmet camera

[pliant briar]

it doesn't matter if this is the only game this happens (which is highly unlikely), cpu bottleneck is cpu bottleneck

[pliant briar]

it's a.... helmet camera?

[languid light]

More like lack of optimization

Why is the discord server for this game so blatantly stupid

[pliant briar]

what's your cpu

[languid light]

Idk if y'all act stupid or u are

I5 11 and rx 580

[pliant briar]

so presumably it's i5 11400f

pretty dated but shouldn't be that bad, and definitely not bottleneck a decade old card

[languid light]

11600

Yes idk why it's happening

Maybe the optimization like other say or cuz I have this desktop for so long it's

I'ma upgrade anyways soon

[pliant briar]

when people say optimization they often don't really mean optimization, they just have a stinky windows installation that barely runs and just have to blame it on something else

[languid light]

Nvm it's fixed

[pliant briar]

they just don't understand the pinnacle of video game engineering...

[languid light]

Stinky windows?

Brotha there are so many other games that have better graphics and gameplay than this game and they are optimized

Red dead runs so smooth on my pc

Although it's open world is so vast

[pliant briar]

red dead is also like decade old so

[languid light]

Yeah and it has better gameplay

Graphics and stuff than this

[pliant briar]

well no shit

[languid light]

So ur argument is baseless

[pliant briar]

and what was your argument? rdr2 runs well because it has better gameplay?

[cobalt tinsel]

Wdym

[languid light]

No it is optimized well

[pliant briar]

debatable

rdr2 has some options that will fuck up your game performance

[languid light]

For me it ran on ultra

[pliant briar]

and don't forget that rdr2 was developed by thousands of people compared to like dozen that don't even have an office

[languid light]

Yeah it's a indie game so I understand

[pliant briar]

they also have their own engine which they can optimize for their exact use cases...

ron is ue5 that runs on prays and hopes

[cobalt tinsel]

Rdr2 better storyline

[pliant briar]

i would imagine a game with no story wouldn't have it better than one that does

[atomic belfry]

buddy is comparing a multi billion dollar studio to ready or not

[pliant briar]

comparing performance between games is pretty stupid as is

[atomic belfry]

unstable engine 5

[boreal ore]

Could be worse, it could be running on Unity.

[languid light]

It's not every game should be optimized this game is good but it lacks optimization that's it stop defending

[languid light]

Phasmophobia runs on unity has similar graphics to this game

Dosent lag at all

[boreal ore]

Maybe your PC is not really that up to par with the necessary specs to run RoN.

[languid light]

Yes

[viral badger]

…?

We playing the same game?

[boreal ore]

And I'm running RoN on a gaming laptop that has a single stick of 8 GB DDR5. And it runs great.

[languid light]

Ehat gpu and cpu

[boreal ore]

I know it's criminal.

[boreal ore]

8 GB DDR5, RTX 4050 Mobile (6 GB GDDR6X VRAM), Intel Core i5 13500HX.

[languid light]

Bro

[boreal ore]

That's just my laptop, my PC is a different rig on its own.

[languid light]

Ima soon get a new laptop

4060 or 4070 smtng

[boreal ore]

Sooo... You're running RoN on a laptop?

[languid light]

No

Desktop i5 11600 and 580

[boreal ore]

A GTX 580?

And you're wondering why it's struggling?

[languid light]

Rx

580

[atomic belfry]

one singular stick

[languid light]

Tfs a Gtx 580

[pliant briar]

it's a gtx 580

[languid light]

What

[boreal ore]

Surprisingly it runs with 150+ FPS.

[atomic belfry]

isnt the rx 580 like 7 years old

[languid light]

It is

[atomic belfry]

this ^

[boreal ore]

And has slightly eh... Performance.

[pliant briar]

technically it would be 8 years old as it's just a rebrand of 480 with higher stock clocks

[atomic belfry]

hey man im not the computer guy here

[boreal ore]

I'm seeing the performance list and let me tell you... It's not looking good.

[boreal ore]

Radeon RX 580
100%
Radeon RX 5500 XT
101%
Radeon RX 6500 XT
102%
GeForce GTX 980
102%
GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER
103%
Radeon R9 FURY
103%
Radeon RX 590
108%
Radeon R9 295X2
114%
GeForce GTX 1660
114%

There's an entire list forward.

[atomic belfry]

how much memory would i need

i have 32 right now should i get 64

[runic aspen]

Most games run fine on 16gb.

[smoky wharf]

why 6700xt aint on list, thats my gpu

[runic aspen]

The recommended for Ready or Not is 8gb of RAM.
So you wouldn’t need 16gb to run it fine, given your PC meets the other requirements.

[languid light]

What's this

[smoky wharf]

Most of my friends are on 8gb, it works fine. We've been doing crazy pvp matches

[languid light]

Bro open reddit there are tons of thread saying the game isn't optimized

[smoky wharf]

weird, one of them is running i3 4th gen, gtx 750 ti and 8gb ram

[languid light]

Like I don't even need to go on Reddit

[smoky wharf]

40/45 fps on lowest

[languid light]

People are ltrlly saying it here

[hardy canopy]

32 is pretty much the sweetspot for gaming atm

[wanton musk]

This isn't normal btw, the fps should reflect quality settings

[hardy canopy]

the one point up from

32gb is 48gb

and it still makes some sense, 64gb is kinda excessive

[languid light]

I just realized it was that one map only it's very dense in other map I get constant 60

But it's the third map ig with police cars and stuff

But ig where the game lack optimization is how the lightning works in this game

That's what makes it laggy cuz I have seen that in a game called Neuclear nightmare too it's also a indie game.

[wanton musk]

Hm alr, are you running on DX12?

[languid light]

No 11

Cuz I know it'll lag on 12

[wanton musk]

Yeah it's unlikely it would work better

[languid light]

Ye

Anyways I'll just play less dense maps but it'll be great if the game.can be optimized in future it's a very good game

[wanton musk]

Are u running mods, graphics + windows drivers up to date, resolution set correctly etc?

[languid light]

Might be the resolution cuz it dosent let me change

Only two options 1650-1080 and 1920x1080

[wanton musk]

Well the thing is the general consensus atm is it's optimisation is good for how it looks and the fact it's UE5

[languid light]

Yeah then I'ma just get a new pc

Hopefully cuz it's old anyways

[wanton musk]

Yea an rx580 will struggle with most games nowadays

[hardy canopy]

580 doesn't support dx 12.1 or 12.2

just 12.0

so it'll often shit the bed just because of that

[wanton musk]

yeah they're on dx11

[pliant briar]

who's consensus is that?

ue5 doesn't make games run bad, devs do

the game also looks mediocre and is linear, which generally helps the performance a lot

[wanton musk]

Community discussion on here, reddit, steam, twitter etc. Most of the time people with super bad frames or stutters either haven't bothered trying troubleshooting steps, or are withholding the fact their computers suck. Also, the initial compatability problems with UE5 and intel weren't really foreseeable by the devs, and that accounts for a fair bit of the "bad optimisation" reports since home invasion.

[wanton musk]

I'd say it looks better than mediocre, but that's opinion ig ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pliant briar]

just because a lot of people mistake bad optimization for their ignorance doesn't really mean that the optimization is good

and historically the optimization was bad, most recently with the dark waters dlc

[wanton musk]

idk what to say tbh, if ppl can't be bothered to even try switching dx version, updating drivers etc, what more can you do?

[wanton musk]

Yeah it used to be pretty rough with stutters due to lack of caching, which ue5 helped with

[pliant briar]

in a way it is reasonable for them to assume a game will just work with no tweaking

[wanton musk]

Few games work like that for such a variety of hardware

[pliant briar]

there was a cache, just not a precache

[wanton musk]

mhm, so like I said, a lack of caching

[pliant briar]

no, because the cache was always a thing

[wanton musk]

precache = example of cache, therefore lack of cache includes lack of prechace

[pliant briar]

no?

[wanton musk]

checkmate

[viral badger]

Perchance?

[pliant briar]

dx11 still doesn't have precaching

[wanton musk]

indubitably

[pliant briar]

by your logic it doesn't have any cache at all

[viral badger]

I’m lost

[pliant briar]

and if that's the case... explain how it doesn't stutter after you play for a bit?

[wanton musk]

So am I, getting a bit semantic lol

[pliant briar]

by definition cache is a store of pre computed data for quick access

no shader cache = stutter

[wanton musk]

PSO prechaching doesnt work on dx11?

[pliant briar]

as it has to compute them mid game

[pliant briar]

yup

[viral badger]

Nerds..

[wanton musk]

well I didn't know that, but some kinda cache improvement regardless was implemented alongside ue5, including for dx11, which improved sutter

[pliant briar]

tl;dr shader cache was always a thing

[wanton musk]

never said it wasn't , but there was a lack of some kinda of cache technology™️, which they have since improved/implemented, resulting in less stutter.

[pliant briar]

what wasn't is shaders getting there before loading a map

[wanton musk]

right

[pliant briar]

as far as i'm aware precaching could be done in ue4, so there were some options

but maybe not as convenient as porting the whole game to ue5

[wanton musk]

yeah no defo it was pretty bad even for ue4

[wanton musk]

probably was the most stuttery game I played

[pliant briar]

i think i've seen worse but as usual i forget what games i even played

[languid light]

One more.time whenever I boot the game why does it always ask for steam client permission

Shouldn't it be one time

[pliant briar]

ah, cyberpunk 2077 on a severely outdated hardware froze like every time i moved

[pliant briar]

what steam client permission

[wanton musk]

Don't make me relive the trauma of cyberpunk on launch

I wanted so bad to love that game

[wanton musk]

Try closing steam and reopening as admin

[thin path]

cyberpunk on launch gave me a lot less issues than ready or not does now

and that games performance improved overtime, instead of downgrading

[wanton musk]

This games performance has, objectively, improved over time

[thin path]

i dont think you understand what objectively means if you think that

ontop of that DLSS has been broken for what, half a year now?

[wanton musk]

Ok, not here to argue, just stating my own and countless other people's experiences since EA launch. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wanton musk]

Theres a rare bug with it still yeah, idk if they fixed it yet or not

[thin path]

so subjectively, thanks

exactly my point

[wanton musk]

I consider a seemingly majority opinion backed up by performance results "objective", but call it subjective if ya want its fine.

Now lets move on, ty

[pliant briar]

why would you ever launch steam with elevated permissions

[wanton musk]

You shouldn't have to, idk why sometimes it helps me lol

[hardy canopy]

it's funny

i just tried different graphics settings

15% performance difference between low and epic

[thin path]

this is just selective and even more opinion based
no actual numbers, rather you saw what you wanted to see
it improved for some, worsened for some others

and dlss is still broken, and i just hope itll get fixed for DLSS4, since ready or not is on its list

would be embarrasing to be listed there for it to just still be broken

[wanton musk]

If that's what you've seen, cool.

[thin path]

🤦‍♂️

[pliant briar]

as a certified ron hater i can confirm performance improved overtime

[languid light]

Less go no lah

Constant 60 now

I decreased the bounce of light and lightning reflection and it is 60 constant

[thin path]

for some people it did, for some it didnt
you cannot say it improved for you, and then throw more opinions and call it "objectively"
not what the word means

[wanton musk]

oh god yeah I forgot about that mb, should have recommended it. Same for per-object shadows or whatever its called, makes a huge difference.

[thin path]

anyways, DLSS fix is what i care for more

because FSR looks really bad

[wanton musk]

fsr is hot garbage can confirm

tho fsr4 lookin kinda snazzy

[languid light]

On native upscaled it's fine anything above looks poop

[languid light]

Yeah it was the reflection mostly I have the texture set to epic and it runs fine

[wanton musk]

Oh nice

[thin path]

DLSS quality looks okay in my experience as long as you arent upscaling to 1080p
upscaling to 1440p, or 4k, usually looks pretty good

some games look fine on DLSS performance too

but as soon as its FSR it just looks awful, especially movement is much worse with FSR

[wanton musk]

Can't wait for 4x the fake frames for 4x the motion blur on 50 series

5070 price at 4090 performance is the most hilariously disingenuous marketing lmao

[thin path]

it might end up looking better than what it does now with better base DLSS model, considering they shown that there is a lot less ghosting

but still, we should aim for native on new cards, and dlss stuff to help aging or lower grade cards

[wanton musk]

Yeah nvidia upscaling is still second to none, but frame gen itself is just... yikes

[thin path]

sadly not where it went

[thin path]

acceptable in some games, and only if your base fps is good without it

if your fps is low without framegen, it looks bad, but whats worse you get a lot of input lag