speedrunning

[deft flame]

honestly the only things i dont like about cp are no lever skip and faster thk

[short spire]

it's not the patches fault that the community made the wrong decision regarding lever skip glitch status

[maiden bane]

I agree

But the consequences are the same

[woven glacier]

easy inventory dropping is also nice to have

[steady lynx]

Kinda wish that thing 56 found was real

[deft flame]

I kinda like harder inventory drop because if youre a new runner you can just ignore it exists at all and thats easier lmao

[deft flame]

wdym?

[twin swallow]

Lever skips should be a major glitch

[woven glacier]

kinda unrelated but I finally got around to recording a PB so I just submitted my first run to speedrun.com \o/

[ionic sparrow]

decision was made way back when that they were fine to be in nmg, and have been grandfathered in since the route has massively evolved around them since

[frank cobalt]

I remember when I first joined, we had a conversation where you stated you didn't understand why anyone would run CP who COULD run 1221 😛

[deft flame]

thats interesting

[short spire]

there wasn't even really a decision made

[ionic sparrow]

shocking how my opinion can change in a year

[short spire]

people just kinda started doing them lol

[stuck raptor]

Ush run was just approved with it in it

[deft flame]

what would be the reasoning behind lever skip being considered a major glitch?

[frank cobalt]

oh stop, I'm just teasing you

[deft flame]

not sure i totally understand the distinction between major and non major glitches

[frank cobalt]

all in love ❤️

[steady lynx]

Even cp AS is kinda new isn't it

[stuck raptor]

community decision

[frank cobalt]

yeah we literally just have community votes

[deft flame]

so its basically case by case

[frank cobalt]

yes

[deft flame]

i see

[ionic sparrow]

and like im fine with that, just do that in offtopic not in the public channels lol

[steady lynx]

Yeah, like the thing vali found with wings

[frank cobalt]

chaining elevator WCS is allowed, right?

(in NMG)

[ionic sparrow]

yeah, afaik the only restriction was reaching places you can't normally reach

chaining them is fine

[frank cobalt]

the one big one that I think I want to start seriously incorporating into any% is the one coming down from Lemm on the elevator

where you just hold left and dash through the air repeatedly

that's a very non-negligible time save

[ionic sparrow]

im pretty sure i timed that and it barely saved anything

[steady lynx]

It's less than a second

[frank cobalt]

yeah but like... at the point any% is in

even half a second is pretty nice

[ionic sparrow]

iirc i only saw like

.1

[frank cobalt]

I'm surprised it's that low

huh

[ionic sparrow]

i dont remember fully but i remember it being tiny

[steady lynx]

It's mostly for swag points

[ionic sparrow]

anyone have a video of it lol

[frank cobalt]

swag >> time save

[ionic sparrow]

i dont wanna load up hk again

[frank cobalt]

fire did it in his stream today I know

[short spire]

yeah i wanted to start doing that one too but the numbers people were giving for it were shockingly low

[frank cobalt]

if you can chain the WCS up to watcher knights, that's pretty substantial

the last elevator we actually take I should say

not the actual last one that we ignore

[steady lynx]

Just allow televator in nmg

[short spire]

im def not doing any strats that rely on chaining to save time lol

fuck that 1/50 shit

[frank cobalt]

I mean even if you only get one it's still a time save

[ionic sparrow]

do you have the numbers for that

[short spire]

is it though since you exit the elevator later

[frank cobalt]

lemme look at my current PB, I know I did it. I think I got two instead of 3 but it's still nice

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpicyShakingOysterWow-YRPWRkZInos_6Gfj

there we go

and I've totally gotten a third on numerous occasions

[ionic sparrow]

i mean like timing on when this is faster or breaks even with the regular

[frank cobalt]

I haven't timed it, but #swag

[ionic sparrow]

ok

[short spire]

you exit the elevator like .4 later than the first moment you could've without doing the storage

[flat spear]

I saved my splits on LiveSplit, loaded them back, but they don't show up. However, when I open "Edit Splits", they are there?

[frank cobalt]

for sure, but I'm not sure if I'm actually losing .4 there because I'm moving faster through the room

[meager current]

under plat: swag >= timesave

[frank cobalt]

underplat actually is timesave tho

[flat spear]

Seems re-activating Auto-splitter solved the problem, but it doesn't start when I start new game

[meager current]

i know, thats why i said >=

greater than or equal to

[frigid rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283467985224466442/777903391170756618/lemm_wcs.mp4

i believe headbonk strat is 7.4x-7.5x optimally

[ionic sparrow]

you have all these videos on hand, are they in a public place anywhere

because if they arent, they should be

idk if im just not looking in the right place or what

but these need to be documented somewhere

[frigid rapids]

no i look up my own messages through discord search function

i do be very lazy about putting this type of recordings in #resources

i should gather every clip i posted aimlessly on this server and eventually put them in one message in #resources

[thorn jasper]

iflm

[frigid rapids]

😔

[thorn jasper]

why sad?

oh that's to yourself, not me

[frigid rapids]

that's a lot to go through to find everything

[ionic sparrow]

its just like

we have alot of timings

but they arent documented in any specific spot

[frigid rapids]

yeah definitely

[ionic sparrow]

so people looking for stuff have like nothing to go off of

other than a vague "it exists"

[frigid rapids]

maybe we could have a GDoc gathering clips of various timing videos

[short spire]

yea like a github or doc or wiki or something could be nice

[ionic sparrow]

i thought thats what resources was supposed to be

its the closes we have to a #strats channel

[short spire]

one channel isn't exactly a good way to order things

[deft flame]

a wiki would be amazing

[frank cobalt]

yeah, I mean literally yesterday in #low-percent someone asked if X route would be faster than what we currently do

[ionic sparrow]

its better than what we ahve now

[frigid rapids]

especially as resources are wider than just timing clips

[frank cobalt]

and the only response was "I think we timed this a while back"

[ionic sparrow]

celeste does it fine with one channel

with different tags for the clips

[frigid rapids]

yeah, celeste #strats channel is nice

[short spire]

celeste is a lot more focused as a game in terms of strats though i feel

[flat spear]

could anyone help me with LiveSplit? It doesn't detect when I start new game

[short spire]

it's just platforming

[ionic sparrow]

theres nothing stopping us from treating hk like celeste

and focusing on strats

theres alot to push in hk platforming

[flat spear]

Timer is just dead, same as with keybinds (I have Global Keybinds on)

[digital jewel]

do you have an autosplit trigger

[flat spear]

yes, I have Autosplit on

[frigid rapids]

but the problem is that strats are in #resources, but because timing strats is much harder in HK compared to celeste, those strats are not necessarily timed when posted there

[short spire]

no i meant like it's a lot easier to categorise since there's not other stuff to worry about in the game

[flat spear]

and it does not work

[digital jewel]

do you have any autosplit triggers

[ionic sparrow]

lets move our convo to offtopic so we stop bloating this channel

[frigid rapids]

yup

[flat spear]

what are those? the splits you select in settings of autosplitter?

[digital jewel]

yes

[flat spear]

yes, I do have them

14 to be exact

first starting with Vengeful Spirit

[last inlet]

what patch are you on?

[flat spear]

1.4.3.2

[digital jewel]

close livesplit and restart it as administrator

[last inlet]

also make sure you launch livesplit after the game

[flat spear]

ye I tried that

[snow dome]

If LiveSplit is in your downloads folder it might not work properly

[flat spear]

it's on Desktop

[digital jewel]

did you start it as administrator

[flat spear]

I tried it now

Gonna start new game to see if timer starts

[modest scarab]

So close this is current patch btw

[twin swallow]

That's a really solid time for 1432

[modest scarab]

It’s crazy how you can get such a solid time without qga and explosion pogo :/

[flat spear]

after turning LiveSplit as administrator, it's not visible in-game

[granite field]

wdym by visible in-game?

on OBS ?

[flat spear]

I am not using OBS rn, I just can't see it when I switch tab to game

I see it rn on discord though

[twin swallow]

QGA and EPogo together save around a minute on 1432

[granite field]

maybe you want it to be over your game screen? or something like that

[snow dome]

If hollow knight is full screen it has priority

[hallow orchid]

my first sub-40 was without qga and without epogo

[snow dome]

Press alt and enter on the main menu

[flat spear]

wow thanks it works!

I tried turning off full-screen in settings but the button was locked

[snow dome]

Yeah, that button is fake

[modest scarab]

I fell all the way down when i was going to gorgeous husk 🙂

[flat spear]

and timer works!

[vocal anchor]

can i use the ancient mound skip in any% nmg run?

[digital jewel]

have you read the any% nmg rules

[vocal anchor]

yes

[carmine yew]

Then you would know the answer is no

You have not read them

[vocal anchor]

thanks for the help

[timid turtle]

is it possible to change the binds for debug mod in settings somewhere? I accidentally bound mouse0 to load save state, dunno how to rebind without the click available to me

lol

[limpid ruin]

Like zaliant cycles

[thorn jasper]

In the ?saves directory there is a debugmodsettings json file. Easiest way is to just delete that while the game is closed

You could also edit it to clear out the keybindings

[timid turtle]

ok ty

[grizzled maple]

?rank speedrun racer

[sick raven]

@grizzled maple, you joined Speedrun Racer.

[meager current]

[grizzled maple]

?rank speedrun racer

[sick raven]

@grizzled maple, you left Speedrun Racer.

[meager current]

[grizzled maple]

dont get excited im just seeing if we can see the race channels with that for hk4y

[short spire]

oh can you not see the race channels with just sr role?

[grizzled maple]

nope

[short spire]

hm i feel like that should be changed

[grizzled maple]

i'll just put sr racer on just before the marathon so i dont have to worry about pings

[deft flame]

anything special any% runners do for marathon strats other than obvious safety benches?

[frigid rapids]

not really

[short spire]

nothing specific, just maybe not taking certain risks

[deft flame]

yeah thought so, thanks

[amber lotus]

Day 1 of practice. Learned up to mantis claw for any% NMG 1.2.2.1. And getting about 12:30 times up to that point doing a few practice runs to the claw

[burnt yacht]

poggas!

[snow dome]

Wait, which channels?

I see the races-announcement and races-discussion channels

[meager current]

same

one sec

[snow dome]

My Mantis Claw is just over 11m, so that's a real, real good time!

[meager current]

?rank speedrun racer

[sick raven]

@meager current, you joined Speedrun Racer.

[meager current]

?rank speedrun racer

[sick raven]

@meager current, you left Speedrun Racer.

[meager current]

doesnt seem like there is any new channels

[grizzled maple]

you get the racing voice channels

[meager current]

wait theres a speedrunning voice channel

[steady lynx]

Yeah, nobody uses it

[sick raven]

@formal bough, you joined Speedrun Racer.

@formal bough, you left Speedrun Racer.

[jagged vault]

look again

[formal bough]

I see

[steady lynx]

heck

[tropic heart]

anyone know how to do main menu storage precisely? im just messing around with glitches for future speedruns

[digital jewel]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/812633331

[stiff delta]

Man the guy who did that tutorial seems really cool

[normal aspen]

nah

[stiff delta]

shut the up

[twin swallow]

:D

[worthy sluice]

Wait

Is there an any% race???

[thorn jasper]

tomorrow, yeah

[worthy sluice]

WHY DIDNT I KNOW ABOUT THIS

:/

[thorn jasper]

https://twitter.com/BlueOnTTV/status/1363173755367927811

BlueSR (@BlueOnTTV)

Here it is! The schedule for the Hollow Knight 4 Year Anniversary Speedrunning Marathon, featuring lots of amazing runners and categories! Catch it all live at 15:00 GMT on February 24th over at https://t.co/NffDbQCP2O,
you won't want to miss it!

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Twitter · Feb 20, 2021, 5:08 PM

[worthy sluice]

You know, i wouldve loved to compete if i could

But its a bit late now isnt it

Oh wait

This is

A like

Ok

[thorn jasper]

this is just a 4-person race, showcasing some higher-level runners

[worthy sluice]

I thought it was a community thing sorry

Ok i feel better about it now

[thorn jasper]

oh oh oh no worries. there's a community all skills tournament going on at the moment, separately

[worthy sluice]

I knew about that

But i thought i missed the any%

[thorn jasper]

there was an any% tournament a while back

[worthy sluice]

Thanks for filling me in, sorry i flipped out

[thorn jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdoWICJMgPKUTCvUCPR-kQGUojxb2HwkR

[grizzled maple]

There was a submission period where people in the community offered up categories for the marathon tomorrow, but the runners chosen were mostly high level in their respective categories outside of the relay

the relay is gonna be nutty

[worthy sluice]

Im sure

I have been really busy with school lately so i havent done many runs, and i thought i missed a tournement

[thorn jasper]

I'm a high-level 4 mask shards current patch runner uwu

[worthy sluice]

Lets goooooo slaurent imma root for you

And emray ill try to catch your PoH

[mild stratus]

yeah TIL im a high level dabber

[thorn jasper]

wait em said 'mostly'

[worthy sluice]

Hahahhahahhahaha

[mild stratus]

[grizzled maple]

i mean i was just treading a line. i didnt wanna insult anyones skill

[worthy sluice]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaah suuuuuuuure

[grizzled maple]

i know blue did a good job of not showing bias to just straight up leaderboard times

[stark birch]

its ok jeff you are a high level dabber and even if you weren't you'd still be a higher level dabber than those too cowardly to dab @ slaurent

[grizzled maple]

the people showcased are all really sick runners

[mild stratus]

yeah, honestly the lineup is kinda stacked

gonna be insane

[stark birch]

oh wait lol I misread slauren't post as "well em said almost" not wait ignore me slaurent ily ily

[worthy sluice]

You know what would make it more stacked

If i were running any% (no this isnt serious)

[thorn jasper]

they meant stacked horizontally, not vertically 😉

[worthy sluice]

Whats the difference?

[thorn jasper]

I realize this metaphor is confusing

in fact it might have to be the opposite. iidk ignore me

[worthy sluice]

I think it is

Horizontal is<>

Vertical is ^

Right?

[tropic heart]

this didnt work for me, at the part where he does the quit storage and then goes to his saves, it doesnt show the saves menu and the main menu

[digital jewel]

did you actually listen to it

[tropic heart]

yes

[normal aspen]

then you didnt time it right

i explain that in the video

its frame perfect so turn on vsync

[tropic heart]

i still did manage to break the game though XD

[normal aspen]

you definitely did something wrong lol

if u do that just try again

its easier than trying to save it

[digital jewel]

you have the modding api

[normal aspen]

that'll also do it

[digital jewel]

menus are pretty fucked with mms with modding api

[normal aspen]

remove qol

[digital jewel]

I think you can go too quickly very easily

[normal aspen]

ideally remove all mods

[tropic heart]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zprgl6rm i mean this kind of mms that makes the menu show ingame

[dry sluice]

That doesn't exist on current patch

You need to downpatch to pre-lifeblood for that

1028 if you want to do that run

[tropic heart]

im using the steam depot patcher and whenever i install the old patches it just creates a new version of the recent patch

[thorn jasper]

sounds like an issue with creating the correct steam_appid.txt

[quiet saddle]

Can I post an image of my splits here? I just want opinions on whether they're standard or not

[thorn jasper]

go for it

[neon island]

Why is "Hollow Knight" listed twice?

[quiet saddle]

Oh, that's a typo.

[neon island]

lol

It looks good though

[carmine yew]

Auto splitter ends automatically when you beat the game

[thorn jasper]

that last autosplit is for dream nailing into radiance. get rid of it for any%

[quiet saddle]

Ok cool, I wondered why it specified dream nail

[carmine yew]

Also you’re not splitting anywhere between WK & Ending?

[thorn jasper]

also, for any%, lots of people have autosplits for: wk chandelier, lantern, crystal heart, uumuu, queen's gardens, trap bench, herrah

[quiet saddle]

Dope, I'd want to add these then?

I want to have mine be as easy to compare against others as possible, ideally

[thorn jasper]

check the community sum of best sheet pinned in #any-percent-nmg

[granite field]

wk chandelier is interesting since it's kind of a mark of when you're starting the wk fight

I mean not precisely but you got the idea

[quiet saddle]

Ok, I'll emulate those splits there then

[thorn jasper]

of course, the 'queen's gardens' split being there assumes qga skip route

[quiet saddle]

I'm super new; I'm not sure what the qga skip route is

I'm trying my best to crawl through all of fireb0rn's YT content lol

[thorn jasper]

he'll go over it 😉

[quiet saddle]

It's been dope so far

[granite field]

QGA skip is queen's garden acid skip, the one when you Cdash over the lake

[quiet saddle]

Is that where you like kind of skip across the top of the lake?

[jagged vault]

Yup

[quiet saddle]

Like a skipping stone?

[granite field]

It's the optimal route, then you have other with deepnest from the right side

[jagged vault]

You get a cdash on a small spot of the wall on the side

It’s a very precise skip

[last inlet]

qga route is very hard to learn

[quiet saddle]

cdash being a super dash?

The DBZ one?

[last inlet]

yep

[quiet saddle]

Yea, I prob won't need that one for a while yet

[last inlet]

yeah deepnest is only around 40s slower than optimal qga route

[jagged vault]

Many beginners opt to take a slightly slower route through deepnest

I think fire covers it in the guides

[quiet saddle]

So does that change anything about the splits I'd use or are they still identical?

[last inlet]

(i didnt but qga took ages to get at all consistent)

you'd lose the qg entry split

[limpid ruin]

It'll mean you probably shouldn't split on queen's garden

[last inlet]

but other than that no

[quiet saddle]

He probably does; I haven't gotten into the actual walkthroughs yet. Mostly been watching the setup stuff and a few of his other fun videos

[quiet saddle]

Ok, I won't include it then

[granite field]

also if you really struggle on WK (which is fair, it's a hard part for any% nmg) there is some interesting safe routes

such as Shade soul or nail 1

[last inlet]

i guess you could split deepnest entry instead of qg entry?

[jagged vault]

I started with deepnest route as many others, but pushing through with QGA works better for some

Both approaches are valid

[quiet saddle]

What split is chandelier in the triggers drop down?

[last inlet]

watcher knights chandelier (event)

if you can't find it just search alphabetically

[quiet saddle]

Ok, what about Trap Bench?

[last inlet]

not 100% sure, i think it's beast's den trap bench (event)

could be slightly wrong on that name

[granite field]

that's the bench on beast's den yeah

pretty sure it is

[quiet saddle]

Ok, I think I'm good now?

[last inlet]

yep, all looks good

[strong vessel]

You might want to change the Greenpath split to the area, not the stag station

[last inlet]

oh shit yeah

[granite field]

Greenpath (Stag station) is correct? Maybe you wanted a Split for the area entrance?

[quiet saddle]

I changed it to the area

[last inlet]

ok i think that's it

[granite field]

nice

[last inlet]

remember the basic stuff like launch livesplit after the game

[quiet saddle]

Good to know

Do you guys know how to set up best possible time?

Fireborn mentioned it's something weird you gotta setup

[strong vessel]

The loadless timer?

[last inlet]

livesplit -> right click -> layout settings -> +, best possible time

[strong vessel]

Oh I see

[last inlet]

i think it's in the info category?

[strong vessel]

Everything like that is in the Layout option from right click

[quiet saddle]

I don't see best possible time under any of the options

[last inlet]

do you want best possible time as in best based on current pace, or based on golds?

bc the latter is sum of best

dont remember where the former is if it isn't just an option

[strong vessel]

Isn't best possible time generally the WR or something

As opposed to sum of best

[last inlet]

best possible time is specifically your pace, with a prediction based on your golds

[strong vessel]

I see

[quiet saddle]

I want both

[strong vessel]

I don't use it so I wouldn't know

[last inlet]

so say you reach mantis claw at 12:00 and you sum of golds for the rest of the run totals 30:00, best possible time would say 42:00

[quiet saddle]

I know a bit about speedrunning from sm64, so i know about best possible time vs sum of best

[quiet saddle]

Yea exactly this

[last inlet]

if you then lose a minute to watcher knights compared to gold, it'd then display 43:00

[quiet saddle]

Oh I found it

[last inlet]

cool

[quiet saddle]

You set current pace component and then compare it to your sum of best

[last inlet]

ah ok

does make sense

although for some reason i had my any% sob broken for a little while bc it was displaying a time higher than my pb

still not sure what that was about

[granite field]

maybe you were comparing against best segments ?

[ionic sparrow]

Likely comparing sob as real-time not game time

[last inlet]

maybe? idk it's fixed now whatever it was

[limpid ruin]

You should use ordered splits and blue lake before dnail, and King's station instead of comsob splits. Be the change I want to see

[strong vessel]

You might hate me lol

My splits are the bare minimum

WK -> Crystal Heart -> Monomon -> Herrah

[last inlet]

i'm the opposite end, i have 18 any% splits

not gonna spam them all here

[granite field]

I'd say the more you have the better view you'd have on your times. Even If it takes some time to setup, you do it one time and that's it

[last inlet]

also all of my splits have dumbass names so half of them are completely unintelligible to everyone else

[strong vessel]

I'd set up more splits if I ran more and actually had anything to compare it to as a result

[granite field]

I'm the opposite lol
I have very detailed names
"Mask Shard 3 (Grubfather's)"

[stray kestrel]

how else are you supposed to remember the 4ms route

[last inlet]

my first 3 any% splits are "ball, baldur rng and hup shaw"

ignore the fact that i did the "" wrong

i'm lazy ok

[strong vessel]

Baldur rng is a fair split name

But what about

EDINO

[last inlet]

also my cpeaks split is called homo

[strong vessel]

GARAMA

[last inlet]

i will not stop using it as the name for c-dash split

in runs that fight hornet 2 that one's called git gud

[strong vessel]

Maybe the HK dream nail could be named that as well

[last inlet]

that's discord light mode

[strong vessel]

Name every single split involving Hornet that

[last inlet]

involving hornet is a slightly weird line

but it's hup shaw (h1), git gud (h2)

[strong vessel]

Maybe you should make a route for the most about of Hornet encounters possible

[last inlet]

discord light mode (radiance entry)

uhhhh

i dont think hornet does anything else really

[strong vessel]

Other than stand places lol

[thorn jasper]

that's just TE with extra steps

[last inlet]

ooh my voidheart split is 'not hornet'

[deft flame]

about uumuu, is there anything you should be aiming for to get double hits other than doing the setups? like does it matter if the fireball hits the upper part of his hitbox or right in the middle, or your distance from him when you fireball? or you just gotta pray for doubles?

[strong vessel]

TE but the route ends at the HK dreamnail

[deft flame]

for current patch btw

[last inlet]

get sealed siblings ending for maximum hornet

[strong vessel]

I don't think you can on current patch

[strong vessel]

We need a Sealed Siblings route anyway

[last inlet]

it's literally just te but no radiance

[strong vessel]

Uumuu doesn't get stuck in the middle platform on current patch

[last inlet]

other than that the routes are exactly the same

[deft flame]

im not talking about 2 cycle

just getting double hit on fireballs

[strong vessel]

Idk

Just fireball?

[last inlet]

usually doubles are if you're far away enough

[strong vessel]

Multiple times in a row

So it knocks it back to the right distance

[last inlet]

not sure exactly how uumuu doubles work

[strong vessel]

I think you can just stand on the platform

I'm not an expert on Uumuu though

[deft flame]

yeah im asking because usually i get double hits just fine but sometimes i just throw 3 fireballs and none of them double hit even if he's on the same spot as usual

[last inlet]

just get shade soul for bigger hitbox

[deft flame]

[strong vessel]

Get Flukenest for no double hits at all

Or better yet, use only Spore Shroom to kill Uumuu

There should be a category where you can only do damage with charms, and you start with, like, Weaversong equipped or something

[granite field]

we need to make lawnmower% into the leaderboards first

cut every grass on the map

[thorn jasper]

Skurry is routing it and will probably be the only person insane amazing enough to run it

[granite field]

then I'll be the second !

[hollow mesa]

Skurry's already working on ddrpad% tho

He's a busy guy

[granite field]

I just want it on the leaderboards, It'd be hilarious

same for ddrpad% tbh

I got the exact same pad than skurry, I'm pretty sure he's using one from a PS2 game

I just need to check on my garage or something

[short spire]

i dont think we wanna become one of those games that have a CE leaderboard with 30 different categories that have 0-1 runs

[jagged vault]

3 finished runs rule

At least 2 more people would have to endure the pain that is lawnmower%

[short spire]

wooo pain

also go schlip blu you have a lot to do tomorrow

[thorn jasper]

what poor src mod wants to verify every grass cut

blue schlip schlip

[granite field]

Isn't it like 1:45am GMT ?

[short spire]

i think it's supposed to be an autosplitter thing slaurent lol

[thorn jasper]

what poor programmer wants to write an autosplitter that keeps tracking of the transient state of "grass cut"

[grizzled maple]

I've been working on buying a guitar hero controller for memes

Theyre so rare now tho

[short spire]

skurry has that youtube money

he can pay 56 to do it

[hollow mesa]

I was honestly thinking of using my guitar or bass for a meme run

If davie504 can play minecraft and smb1 with a bass, I can play hk

[granite field]

also fun fact but the ddrpad I have (and probably skurry too) is kind of a cheap material, it weights very low (less than 1 kg I think), and sometimes the buttons doesn't respond well
don't know if it's a popular one, I just remember that the game sold with it was a party game

[jagged vault]

[hollow mesa]

As an aside I almost pb'd on p4 like three times today I just kept getting greedy at pv 🥴

[quiet saddle]

Is there a way in debug to make an area/room reset?

E.g aspid arena

[harsh mason]

i have like 3 or 4 gh controllers

they are shit though, i wouldn't use it unless i modded it and replaced like every part

[raven holly]

Unfortunately no, unless you have already made a save state before you changed that room

I keep a save file backed up where I'm at Uumuu so I can easily practice Uumuu, QGA, and Petra Arena. If I forget to reset the petra arena, then I can just load up that save file again

[quiet saddle]

That's a good idea

[quiet saddle]

Went through part 1 of fireb0rn's guide and did my first Vengeful Spirit split

This is how it starts >:)

(hopefully)

[raven holly]

gl friend I believe in you

[main bear]

Why do runners in all skills bench at ancient basin

Isn’t it faster to keep the watchers spire

Or even just to go back to kings station before going to basin

[thorn jasper]

We buy Hidden Station so we can come back later for Abyss

[main bear]

Ohhhhh

Gotcha

[torpid pollen]

how do you get a feel for the jump before doing the first vs skip? (first one on cp)

[haughty fossil]

depending on how good your turnaround is, you can actually be relatively early and still make it. otherwise I'd recommend just installing showhitboxes to see where the ledge ends and practice

[torpid pollen]

i can do it with an early jump sometimes, just often it tends to be so early that it just doesn’t work

i never do it late but always too early

i think it might be the rhythm of the walking sounds and the jump sound, so i might need to pay more attention to where i start using quick cast on screen

[knotty heart]

does pausing the game count towards playtime?

[fair island]

for the in game achievement?

[knotty heart]

yuh

[fair island]

no

also #hk-help

[normal aspen]

Roses are red
Can't go to ESA
If you want the cheevos
Then ?srpsa

[meager current]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[meager current]

a

[small sigil]

At some point I had a brief thought of rerouting so that you do Hornet 2 before Wings so you don't have to do two Basin trips, but unfortunately shade cloak hardsave is a bully.

this is why dreamgate should be a skill change my mind

[meager current]

i won't try to change your mind, as I think the same

[true palm]

i'd run all skills if dreamgate was in a skills, because then there'd be more bosses

[steady lynx]

If dreamgate counted as a skill for All Skills we'd just kill Gorb, Xero, Failed Champ and Lost Kin

Or replace Failed Champ with Tyrant

But then we'd also get dreamnail before going to city

Then the route kinda becomes even more 1xx lite

[meager current]

[ocean nymph]

is it possible to stream a run with bad internet or does it make it invalid?

[ionic cargo]

as long as it isn't choppy all the way through

[meager current]

i get like 1 lagspike around spirit but nowhere else 🙂

[haughty fossil]

video evidence must have watchable enough quality to see what's going on

if your internet is bad, consider changing quality settings or local recording

[ocean nymph]

my best run was 42:48 off stream and when i tried streaming it, its very choppy in the vod

[steady lynx]

There are legit 360p videos that got verified so worst case that works

[ocean nymph]

well thanks, hopefully my internet doesnt die next time

[ionic cargo]

then you might just have to do it off stream

[mental kiln]

Do you accept runs if they are uploaded to google drive?

[steady lynx]

As long as it's permanent

[fair island]

#speedrunning message

[meager current]

i lost my best run to laggy obs at the start not recording title screen, shouldve done a check before the run

[steady lynx]

You literally asked that before and got a response then asked again?

[fair island]

oh lol I didn't realise that

[steady lynx]

I always record the title screen for like 8 seconds just in case

[mental kiln]

I know that google drive is not a great choise , but I don't want to upload to yt so do they get accepted?

[fair island]

you can make the video unlisted on yt

[mental kiln]

Good idea

[meager current]

i am just a bit sad that showing the title screen at the end of the run doesnt save you from it

[steady lynx]

It's mostly for ease for the verifier, they see it at the start and know it's not modded

[knotty vigil]

no

fellow hornet

[meager current]

[knotty vigil]

:>

[meager current]

would i be able to specify that the title screen is shown at the end?

[steady lynx]

Nope

[meager current]

[jagged vault]

i mean, you're always passing by the menu in the start. so why not just include that in the highlight?

[meager current]

because thats the entire recording

not a highlight, i dont stream

[jagged vault]

you can very easily crop recordings

or trim them

trim is a better word

[meager current]

i thought obs had captured the title screen when i started recording but it hadnt

[steady lynx]

Just wait a few seconds after you start recording

[flat spear]

I lost recording of my 1st NKG win with 7 masks and 3rd nail because it seems that OBS didn't want to record

I don't recommend it

and OBS can't record audio just from one source without some tinkering

[limpid ruin]

Why upload to Google drive tho? That's not a media site, it's a file sharing site, and the verifiers don't want to download runs we verify as that's just tedious

[jaunty anvil]

is there a benchwarp that i can use with 1221 ?

[last inlet]

not that i'm aware of

you kinda just have to noclip around with debug

[haughty fossil]

you can set dreamgates at places you want to warp to

[last inlet]

true

[haughty fossil]

the debug menu lets you switch between dreamgate locations

[jaunty anvil]

yeah im gnna hav 2 learn how to do that , thanks jamie

[last inlet]

although you still have to get there in the first place right?

[jaunty anvil]

yeah but that's not that annoying

[haughty fossil]

yeah that takes noclipping

[jaunty anvil]

like yeah

[haughty fossil]

but only once 🙂

[jaunty anvil]

yeah

[last inlet]

yeah once you have the dreamgate it's easier

[jaunty anvil]

ill try n figure out how to use dream gates

[ionic cargo]

15:00 gmt

[last inlet]

about 2 and a half hours

[jaunty anvil]

OH YEAH

that is not very nice for me (australian)

[last inlet]

i think the first actual run starts slightly after

[jaunty anvil]

hmm do i stay up late 2 watch

[ionic cargo]

runs actually start at 15:20 gmt

[jaunty anvil]

what is the twitch link btw ?

[haughty fossil]

any #races-announcements message

[jaunty anvil]

tyty

[last inlet]

literally just copied that lmao

i am 🐌

[jaunty anvil]

i streamed runs 4 the 1st time today it was pog

[meager current]

so for any uk people, 4 o clock today : )

[last inlet]

3 o clock

[ionic cargo]

3 o clock

[haughty fossil]

...3

[last inlet]

it's 15:00 gmt

[jaunty anvil]

ROFLLLL

[meager current]

huh

[last inlet]

or like half of western europe

[fair island]

its in 3 2 and a half hours

[last inlet]

2 and a half

[fair island]

yea 2

[meager current]

a

[last inlet]

i get it timezones are hard

[digital jewel]

It's 12:30 gmt right now

[ionic cargo]

just hope fireb0rn doesn't choke on uumuu or beasts den/distant village like in practise lmao

[meager current]

i use bst all year round for some reason

[tardy sable]

.07
sudden flashback to when i forgot to hit the dirtmouth stag lever

[ionic cargo]

minute pb good job

[tardy sable]

thanks

[thorn marten]

HELLO

oh wait wtrong channel

[tardy sable]

lol

[ionic cargo]

so hyped for the stream

[stiff delta]

Me too

[ionic cargo]

routing for ax2u

[stiff delta]

but hes a kb player

[ionic cargo]

not xero

[stiff delta]

RhinoFeeder instead of xero right?

[ionic cargo]

sad I won't be able to see emray do poh

[stiff delta]

Emray does colo’s in the relay race

But they also end the event with P5

[ionic cargo]

Here's stuff that's happening

[jaunty anvil]

how long is the stream projected to last for ?

[stiff delta]

Like 8 hours

[jaunty anvil]

oh thanks

yeeeeesh im sad i will hav to miss it

it’s 2am in australia rn

[ionic cargo]

probably longer, emray starts at 23:20

approx

[jaunty anvil]

i don’t go to school but yea

[thorn jasper]

The HK 4 Year event is live! Starting soon at https://www.twitch.tv/hollowknightcommunity

[ionic cargo]

stream's popping off

[normal aspen]

that main hug of death

plus fire and skurry and like literally everyone

[ionic cargo]

true

lmao

[keen cipher]

can anyone explain why the split time in the left is different from the one on the right?

[haughty fossil]

on the right you are in real time, on the left you are comparing against game time

[keen cipher]

nope

[haughty fossil]

wait nope

[keen cipher]

see, still different

[main bear]

why is PoP not on speedrun.com

[haughty fossil]

you're comparing against average

it is, under individual levels

[keen cipher]

wdym?

[haughty fossil]

edit splits always shows pb

[keen cipher]

ah my bad

thanks for the help!

[haughty fossil]

[verbal junco]

would QoL be allowed for PoP speedruns?
to re-access it

[haughty fossil]

no, you can copy over a save file to retry it for runs

no mods, and not even modding api, are allowed for main board runs

[verbal junco]

how could i do that?

[haughty fossil]

#resources message this save, rename to whichever slot you want to replace and copy into your saves folder

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[verbal junco]

k thx

[haughty fossil]

iirc you can replace it on the title screen and it will load the new save when you load in

[verbal junco]

kk

do i put it into hollow knight data?

@haughty fossil

[haughty fossil]

where it says save files

not game files

[verbal junco]

i dont see one

the only folder i see is hollow knight data and theres no game files or save files anywhere in the folders inside that or the basic folder

[haughty fossil]

you went to the wrong folder

[verbal junco]

oh

how do i get to appdata%

[thorn jasper]

open file explorer, copy/paste %APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\

on Windows, %APPDATA% is like an alias for a particular directory

[verbal junco]

kk

[strong vessel]

I just lost a run to a WK glitch

:(

It wasn't a good one but it's still frustrating

[main bear]

Nj Ax

[hearty adder]

What happened?

[true palm]

if its the bounce one it will repeat on the same watcher knight every time he bounces

[strong vessel]

It was

I got hit by it three times

On the last one

It was sad

Well, now I know

[true palm]

its sad, and it doesnt pop up enough for people to realize a lot of the time

so yah if you see it you need to track that watcher knight at all times so you'll know

[bleak gale]

what does nmg mean

[burnt yacht]

no major glitches

[haughty fossil]

No Major Glitches, basically the ruleset we use to allow fun glitches but not the ones that completely break the game.

[dry sluice]

I believe the ruleset you're describing is actually nmms

[haughty fossil]

nah that has televator

which is ruled as anti-fun

[true palm]

basically the ruleset we use is to ban 90% of fun glitches, and only allow ones that we consider too inconvenient to not have

Banned Glitches
Any Invulnerability glitch
Any Out of Bounds glitch
Any glitch that results in an invisible character
Any form of item duplication
Inventory Storage
Float glitch
Superslides
Breaking Boss AI such that they are severely limited from moving or attacking
Some use of glitches may be ignored if usage is both clearly accidental and not beneficial to the run

[haughty fossil]

the full nmg ruleset is found here, and in the rules section on speedrun.com https://pastebin.com/VtzvMpyW

[royal sentinel]

I'm trying to downpatch my game to 1.2.2.1, and followed the guide on speedrun.com, but for some reason it didn't work... can someone help?

[haughty fossil]

did you add steam_appid.txt

[royal sentinel]

I did

but it just opened my normal Hollow knight game, which is current patch

[haughty fossil]

screenshot the contents of your downpatched installation folder

[thorn jasper]

you have .txt.txt

[last inlet]

yeah

[thorn jasper]

you have file extensions hidden

[royal sentinel]

..

that explains a lot

[last inlet]

rename it to just steam_appid

[thorn jasper]

this is a common mistake, and we really should make it more clear in the guide

[still rock]

I am also trying to down patch my game but when I got to step 4 cmd.exe 'dotnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

[royal sentinel]

It worked!! Thanks so much :)

[thorn jasper]

I stand corrected apparently

[royal sentinel]

also, yeah, I saw that, but I'm new to windows, so I didn't realise it was hidden XDD

thanks, everyone :)

[still rock]

in which folder "depotdownloader"?

[digital jewel]

this wasn't directed at you

[haughty fossil]

you can see the whole guide here: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[still rock]

oh that wasnt the guide i was using

i was using a youtube video

[haughty fossil]

generally using the most up to date guide is recommended

[thorn jasper]

which video?

[still rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44HBxzC_RTg

[thorn jasper]

huh, that video was upload a few days ago. I wouldn't expect it to be outdated

[haughty fossil]

no way, i've seen this video for months

[thorn jasper]

CURRENT YEAR SLAURENT

[haughty fossil]

slaurent it was uploaded in 2020

[stiff delta]

lmao

[haughty fossil]

a year off bud

[thorn jasper]

veru has me blocked, can someone else ping them to edit the title to include [OUTDATED] or something

someone who knows that Veru hasn't blocked them

[haughty fossil]

is anyone not blocked by veru

[digital jewel]

@earnest carbon can you change the title of this video thank you sir

[still rock]

your method is working it says it is downloading

[amber lotus]

I am having a lot of trouble with the double mantis pogo right before mantis claw... any strat that is slightly slower, but more consistent?

also, still have only learned to mantis claw so far..... really want to clean up the stupid bad damage taken, and get these tricks a little more consistently before i move forward (i like learning games by sections)

[digital jewel]

not sure what you're trying to learn from

so it's hard to recommend something more consistent

[amber lotus]

was following Fireborns guide.... i think he did show other methods thinking about... will have to go back and look at it....

[still rock]

you could also do it normally

[digital jewel]

he probably did show other methods

[still rock]

if you spam dash it is probbably not that much slower

[digital jewel]

it's a very consistent skip but your movement matters a lot

[haughty fossil]

not doing mantis skip loses c. 20s iirc

[amber lotus]

I just need to set up a savestate and just grind it out... it will eventually "click"..... like Vengefly King... once I figured that out, was stupid easy now...

[stiff delta]

thats.... crazy... good job on figuring it out...

[amber lotus]

sometimes talking/typing things out makes you think of things :p

[stiff delta]

It really does

[amber lotus]

My goal is to get sub 11 mantis claw fairly consistently before learning the next few sections... been getting in the 11:45-12:30 range now....

[still rock]

good luck

[amber lotus]

Will say though as a whole, this is in def top 2 communities I've looked to join in their willingness to help others..

[still rock]

i feel the same everyone seems willing to help even if you kinda suck

[thorn jasper]

who is top 1? we need to be more wholesome

I will infiltrate them and learn their secrets

[amber lotus]

@thorn jasper it prety close to a tie,, cant determine who is #1 cause i havent spent the time here.. but the ALTTPR community

[still rock]

what is ALTTPR?

[normal aspen]

a link to the past randomizer i assume

[haughty fossil]

you would be correct in that assumption

[normal aspen]

[deft flame]

no, you need title showing the patch version

[digital jewel]

title screen is the screen with the title on it

[lunar quail]

5 attempts on Watcher Knights
3 deaths against THK
Got Lost in Fog Canyon

First try explosion pogo
First try acid skip
Best Uumuu fight of my life

Ended up +20 mins over my PB during the HK fight. What a horrible feelio

[tender fox]

is there a video or something about everything i need to know before speedrunning? the any% no major glitches

[amber lotus]

@tender fox fireborn has an awesome guide playlist on YouTube very detailed. It’s what I using to learn

[tender fox]

thanks

[amber lotus]

Learn with me 🙂

[regal bane]

is there a list of DAB challenges anywhere?

[tender fox]

if i down patch the game will i be able to play my game saves?

thanks

[grizzled maple]

You can have multiple installs

So you don't really lose anything

[tender fox]

oh cool

[grizzled maple]

The saves are in a different location so you can just manually back up and replace files as needed

[granite field]

you mean goals on bingo?

[grizzled maple]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[tender fox]

thank you

[granite field]

I think #randomizer channel could answer this, sorry I'm not very aware of the randomizer stuff

[vague jolt]

I think Quack's got a new generator with some of the new goals but the current generator we use for DAB is here: https://jsfiddle.net/Lmcpsdou/1/

If you scroll down the left box with the JS code a bit you can find the goals listed

[regal bane]

thank you! I don't have any runs so I couldn't ask in randomizer

[granite field]

ah, that makes sense

(and welcome if you're new then )

[regal bane]

I am... brand new here, been playing HK since Christmas

are there any guides for speedrunning on switch? all of the guides I've seen elsewhere require an earlier patch of the game that I can't access on switch

[vague jolt]

For non-spoiler formats (the most common are blackout - complete 25 goals and defeat radiance and lockout - 1v1, each goal can be marked by only one player, first to 13 wins) use a generator on bingosync (list here: https://github.com/kbuzsaki/bingosync/blob/master/bingosync-app/generators/hollow_knight_item_rando_generator.js), this one's a bit less sophisticated because the locations of the goals on the board don't really matter

[dusk portal]

You can play on current patch, there's even a Switch category for it @regal bane

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Console_Runs

[regal bane]

but like is there a good guide for running on switch? I've only seen guides that talk about things like inventory dropping and other tricks that don't work on switch

[dusk portal]

Inventory drop works on Switch

You just need to drop off a ledge

[granite field]

Currently, for NMG rules, people runs on either 1221 and Current patch (1.4.3.2) so there is multiple leaderboards for them
to find a guide you could easily just watch a 1221 guide for the main routes and learn the strats that are changed for CP

[regal bane]

oh wow it does? I thought it was patched out or something, I need to go try that out now!

[still rock]

whats CP?

[granite field]

as for console they are counted in real time and PC are in loadless

so we use a thing that stops the timer when you load an area on pc

CP = Current Patch

CP includes the last patch on PC and the patch for consoles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D68LWbb2GO4

this video is nice to understand better

[bronze anchor]

There's a really great powerpoint guide for current patch any% nmg in the srcom guides section

[haughty fossil]

?rank randomizer racer for access to the randomizer channel

[tender fox]

can someone help backup my game saves?

[granite field]

? saves

[haughty fossil]

(i still need to change the powerpoint to google slides and update info)

[tender fox]

i wanna do it before i down patch

[haughty fossil]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[chrome bramble]

I just pbd by 2 hours

[haughty fossil]

copy user1.dat, user2.dat etc. to somewhere else

(from the save files folder)

[granite field]

you can type %appdata% in the windows search bar to shortcut in those folders

[bronze anchor]

Thank you so much for the guide it made getting into HK running incredibly easy for me

[tender fox]

do i need to copy everything with user1? or just the first one

[chrome bramble]

i was grinding for sub 3 hours and got 1 hour 10 minutes instead

[haughty fossil]

just the first one

[granite field]

you copy the saves you want to backup, user1 = the topmost in save menu, 2 the next one etc

oh nvm

I misunderstood the question

[tender fox]

ill just copy everything

just in case

[regal bane]

with inventory dropping on switch, do you open the inventory when you're at the edge of the ledge and then walk off of it, or do you open it the exact moment you leave the ledge?

[tender fox]

thanks for helping btw

[regal bane]

right I was thinking of the map, whoops

[haughty fossil]

for cp inv drop: open inv right as you leave the ledge

[regal bane]

is e-pogo patched out of CP?

[haughty fossil]

it's physics frame perfect so don't feel bad if you miss it.... several times....

[haughty fossil]

it is significantly different, as you cannot pogo the explosion itself

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/gq0g3 shameless self-plug, current patch specific guide (even if it is currently very scuffed, sorry about that)

[regal bane]

thank you!

[haughty fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U&t=15s&ab_channel=emray and emray's tutorial, doesn't include the visual cue i use but still v useful explaining how it works

[granite field]

this can takes some time to be used of Inv drops CP
Alternatively, if you are able to/can afford it, PC 1221 inventory drops are really easier to do and this allow you to practice the segment you want with debug mod etc..

[regal bane]

oh that's awesome thank you, I tried e-pogo at one point but couldn't figure it out based on older guides and I guess I misheard that it was out in CP

[bronze anchor]

CP epogo is very tough, I've gotten it a bunch in practice but with no real consistency

[tender fox]

it doesnt let me down patch does anyone know why?

[chrome bramble]

Are you on console

[haughty fossil]

did you follow the guide ilay

[tender fox]

yep

[haughty fossil]

and run the steam patcher?

[tender fox]

i probably did someting wrong

im following fireb0rn guide

[haughty fossil]

follow the pinned guide

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[tender fox]

do i just need to copy paste this? download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944

oh nvm

its working now thanks

[sweet rapids]

so would this count with hungry knight as well

[haughty fossil]

? hungry knight has a separate leaderboard, found here: https://www.speedrun.com/hungryknight

[inland otter]

kind of a dumb question

but livesplit isn't detecting when i start a game

[haughty fossil]

do you have your autosplits set up

[inland otter]

yep

[haughty fossil]

ok try restarting livesplit once the game is open

sometimes it just doesn't work as it should

[inland otter]

tried that

nothing

should ordered splits be on?

in autosplit

[haughty fossil]

doesn't need to be unless you're doing pantheons, king's pass (area) or blue lake splits

screenshot your edit splits and autosplits settings?

[snow dome]

Where is your autosplitter?

[inland otter]

wdym

[snow dome]

What folder?

On your computer

[haughty fossil]

(livesplit install location)

[inland otter]

downloads

i think

[snow dome]

Move it out of Downloads

[inland otter]

does it need to be with hk?

ok

[haughty fossil]

it can be anywhere it has write permissions

[amber lotus]

I am trying to get the practice mod installed, but cant get it to work on a downpatched version...

[snow dome]

Somebody recently said it didn't work until it was on the same drive (C: vs D: etc) but I've never come across that specifically

But Downloads folder can be awkward

[snow dome]

You will need the specific moddingAPI and Debug Mod for the version you're playing on. Both of these for 1221 can be found in #resources

[amber lotus]

yea i downladed them, and followed the guide in fireborns tutorial...

[snow dome]

Screenshot your main menu pls

[amber lotus]

doesnt show anything in top left corner. gonna re-do the process to make sure i didnt miss a step real quick

[snow dome]

Did the downpatch work?

[amber lotus]

Yea had downpatch working...

and just re-doing it and going thru stepby step with guide again.... realized my facepalm mistake

I downloaded the 1221 debug mod, and copied that over, not the 1221 modding api.....

[inland otter]

moved it out of downloads, still nothing

should i open livesplit when im at main menu?

or some other time

[snow dome]

Yes, while at main menu

[inland otter]

hmm

[snow dome]

What's up?

[inland otter]

time to restart my computer ig

[snow dome]

Yes, the moment the screen goes black after absorbing/killing radiance

[burnt yacht]

Finally figured out downpatching :D

[snow dome]

h y p e

[boreal bough]

Is there a reason why the top runners on NMG buy the lantern instead of just doing deepnest without it?

[snow dome]

On Any% it is to get into Crystal Peaks

You can't interact with the toll in the dark

[boreal bough]

aha thank you

[inland otter]

i restarted my computer and all my autosplits got deleted 🙂

[snow dome]

I think that kind of points out an issue, then

What it is is a bit beyond me, but yaknow

Find your livesplit folder and see if you have splits saved in there

[true palm]

@boreal bough in low% we do deepnest without lantern

[boreal bough]

so you basically do deepnest blind?

that sounds insane

[true palm]

it is at first, and if you do it the way homothety does its horrible

[snow dome]

...

[true palm]

but i collect soul

[snow dome]

How do you get into peaks?

[true palm]

and just fireball the ground spiders

we get lantern later

[snow dome]

Oh, right

[true palm]

but we cant kill gruz mother right?

so we have to go get tram pass to get to city

[snow dome]

What a great route

Absolutely gaming

[cyan vortex]

all skills also do dark deepnest

[true palm]

so yah we do dark deepnest to buy lantern

[snow dome]

TIL Tram Pass isn't a %

[cyan vortex]

the comfy part tho

[snow dome]

Literally had a reply typed with something like this

[true palm]

tbh doing dark deepnest with soul is fine, but once you dont, if you get hit by a ground spider into spikes you just have to reset

[cyan vortex]

that's indeed possible

[inland otter]

now my livesplit hotkeys arent working

[true palm]

are global hotkeys off again?

[inland otter]

nope

and it says ive beaten times

when i start and reset

the timer doesnt change tho

[true palm]

have you tried disabling the autosplitter?

[inland otter]

that works

but i kinda need it

[true palm]

k now double check your splits are right in the autosplit settings

[inland otter]

its all correct

it should start with vengeful spirit right?

[true palm]

yup

so try the timer again, and if it doesnt work send a screenshot of what livesplit looks like

[true palm]

no send a picture of the actual timer while the games open

like this

[true palm]

and you have the game open right now?

[inland otter]

yep

whenever i start it the pb shows up

but the timer still doesnt go

[snow dome]

Right click on it and click "save splits", then close it and reopen it

See if your splits are still around

[inland otter]

after start

ok

they are still there

[true palm]

and the timer still doesnt work?

[inland otter]

nope

[true palm]

welp if i were you i'd try a different version of livesplit, and just open the saved splits you have, but i cant help with troubleshooting any further

[inland otter]

ok thx

should end triggering autosplit be on?

[torpid pollen]

yes

[inland otter]

and i should have thk as a split but not an autosplit?

[snow dome]

No it should not

[verbal stag]

no end triggering autosplit if you're finishing with an ending

[snow dome]

You should have it as a split and no autosplit, yeah

[inland otter]

and start timer at should be 0

[verbal stag]

yeah

[inland otter]

does it need to be in my hk file?

[thorn jasper]

what do you mean by that? you start a new file for the speedrun

[inland otter]

folder

[snow dome]

I think they mean the install for livesplit

[inland otter]

my b

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[thorn jasper]

oh, the livesplit can be saved anywhere and run from anywhere. it just checks for a running hollow_knight.exe

[snow dome]

Mine is next to my HK

Just try it

Somebody else had a problem recently they fixed by moving it

Maybe an update broke something?

[true palm]

if you're running debug it might have some issues in case you're running it

[inland otter]

is that hollow knight folder the one in locallow?

[true palm]

no

[snow dome]

Yeah, this was a bad example, probably

[true palm]

the default folders in steam

[snow dome]

I've moved my files around, but essentially it is at this file path:

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[inland otter]

yeah i found both of them

where do u recommend moving livesplit?

[stuck raptor]

desktop

[snow dome]

Assuming your Hollow Knight is saved in your C: drive

[inland otter]

ok moved it to desktop

and reinstalled

lets hope it doesnt delete autosplits

nothing

every time i start and reset the little attempts counter goes up

but nothing with the timer

[true palm]

maybe its something with the timer?

[snow dome]

What are your global hotkeys set to?

For start/split

[inland otter]

1 and 2

on top number bar

[snow dome]

I assume you're not pressing either of them

[stuck raptor]

are you starting a new save each time? or going into an existing one

[true palm]

Wait is it just me or did the low% channel disappear?

[inland otter]

new save

[snow dome]

Did you hide muted channels?

[inland otter]

click arrow on speedrunning

[snow dome]

Oh yeah, that

[true palm]

Oh lol

[snow dome]

You can edit your submission

Press the hourglass icon at the top then "Show all" or whatever

Find your run, edit it with the correct time

[stuck raptor]

so the timer isn't starting at all? or are you saying the splits times aren't updating

[inland otter]

timer isnt starting