#speedrunning

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hoary ivy
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is it good for a first run?

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keep in mind ive never done these skips before

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lots of improvisation

jade crow
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Got a new PB for trial of the warrior though it will probably take alot more grinding to get an actually good time

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runic musk
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should i move my save files for the lastest update before using the steam beta for 1.2.2.1?

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will 1.2.2.1 mess with them?

jagged vault
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It won’t mess with your files unless you open them usually.

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However, moving them/making backups might be good for organization and creating space for new ones

runic musk
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thank you!

weary root
celest fossil
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i removed my mods from my game file so i could record a run and now my splits arent working, any ideas as to what the problem could be?

weary root
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try opening livesplit after hk is already open

celest fossil
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ive tried that

weary root
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could you post a screenshot of the auto splitter settings?

celest fossil
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when i put the mods back in it works just fine

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my auto splitter settings are working fine

weary root
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what are you doing when adding/removing mods?

celest fossil
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im just taking the contents out of the folder

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the mods folder

weary root
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well for a start if you want to submit to the leaderboard having the modding api installed isn't allowed

celest fossil
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yea thats why im trying to remove it

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so i can record a run

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do i need to make a different copy of the game?

weary root
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There are options
To get back to a vanilla install you can "verify integrity of game files" through steam.
If you want to have multiple installs of the game then there's a section called "Multiple Installed Patches" that tells you how to do that in the downpatching guide here: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten#ch3Installing
If you don't have space for two installs or don't want another for whatever reason, you can make a copy of the Assemblycsharp.dll and swap that with the modding api version every time you want to switch

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As for livesplit issue try again with the vanilla install and let me know if it still doesn't work

celest fossil
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since my copy of the game rn is modded, do i need to reinstall to get the vanilla assemblycsharp.cll file?

celest fossil
weary root
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Awesome! GL with your runs!

celest fossil
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ty!

knotty vigil
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<@&283547423706447872>

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thanks

sly tulip
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you are the mod

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smh

knotty vigil
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i can't ban people quin

jade crow
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Dose the version of the game matter at all when submitting a speedrun or is any version fine?

clear rampart
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Depends on the speedrun you're completing, the rules on the category page generally state the requirements

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So you can't run earlier version of the game for latest patch category etc

jade crow
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ok cool thanks

knotty vigil
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Is there a mod or something I can download that would let me practice splits in Any% NMG?

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I know there's a mod installer at NexusMods but the recent comments lead me to believe it's malicious software

weary root
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patch 1221 or 1.4/1.5?

knotty vigil
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nexusmods is super outdated

foggy onyx
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Hi guys, im a newcomer to HK and Speedrun, i saw a discord about it on the speedrun website but i cant open that web link, is that link this discord?

stuck raptor
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?pins

sick ravenBOT
foggy onyx
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Oh, I see, thanks

fast dragon
final elk
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+49:06 beesive

celest fossil
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is time with loads just the time the game gives you?

sly tulip
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wdym?

wraith trellis
verbal stag
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if you're submitting a run to src time with loads is just the real time

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so like the video length from when the timer starts to when it ends

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you can also see time with loads by changing livesplit to real time

brazen quartz
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hey guys, is there any way to get more savestate slots than the standard 6? I wanted to create savestates for each difficult point in the game 😉

stable quarry
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Any one want to join a 5 player HK any% speedrun?

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@wraith trellis Plis help us

wraith trellis
dark dome
stone solar
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any% NMG new wr 34:09 by Yihou

coral shore
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But like, I can join, although I never ran any%nmg seriously

coral shore
marsh tiger
stone solar
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on bilibili

steady lynx
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It's been submitted, just need one of those src verifiers to get at it

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steady lynx
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Amazing early game up to Chandelier, some small mistakes on WK onwards, amazing THK

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They may be able to pull a 33, if just barely

tough field
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Man ;_;

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Im pretty sure I have livesplit configured properly but it doesnt start automatically

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(path of pain)

vagrant warren
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Did you make your own splits or DL them?

tough field
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Downloaded the layout

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I set the rooms

vagrant warren
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Make sure you have appropriate start & end triggering splits.

Or just download splits from hksplitmaker

tough field
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Ok I dont understand how to use the 2nd thing .-.

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I think I have the start end properly now I'll check later u-u

cerulean yoke
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Can someone give me a hint to how defeat watcher knights using only Vengeful spirit and shaman stone (no nail upgrades), that boss always kill my runs

knotty vigil
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how do i explosion pogo, i can never land it for some reason

cerulean yoke
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same

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its hard

knotty vigil
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i just dont know if im doing it rightr

tough field
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And if you use other charms try the white king thingy or spell twister

tough field
cerulean yoke
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i use the resting grounds route

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to go in city of tears

vagrant warren
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There is a great Watcher Knights tutorial by pest.

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There's also good epogo tutorials, but depends which patch you're using

knotty vigil
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1.5.something

cerulean yoke
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i think i gonna switch my route

knotty vigil
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the one i found is the double fireball one

cerulean yoke
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i gonna get dive first

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and then watcher

vagrant warren
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For 1.5 epogo you'll want to check out mathulu's tutorial if you haven't

knotty vigil
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its so hard doe

tough field
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I CANT FIX MY SPLITS ;_;

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Dude they just dont work im going to commit diecide

digital jewel
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🗿

vagrant warren
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Honest just get them from hksplitmaker. Just select the run cayegory, generate, download.

tough field
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ok done

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Note to self

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Dont ever try to do stuff by myself

steady lynx
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@normal aspen 107 when?

coral shore
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lmao

celest fossil
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kinda a weird question but are pest's gold times for any% available anywhere?

vagrant warren
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Comsob sheet is available in the speedrun server, although I don't know how many of the times are pest's

normal quartz
celest fossil
tardy meteor
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is it better to speedrun with controller or keyboard ?

celest fossil
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up to preference for sure

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some top runners use keyboard, some use conch

tardy meteor
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ok thanks !

celest fossil
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how do i get access to the other speedrun channels? i have a run submitted to speedrun.com

final elk
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You need the speedrunner role although they’re pretty obsolete now that the community has moved to their own server hollowpins

celest fossil
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ok, ty!

final elk
stuck raptor
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watch his run, compare his PB to his SOB

silent pollen
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Whats a decent run on the newest patch

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is 53 minutes ok or is my route (and skill) ass

toxic ember
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how 2 beat game in 5 hours

sly tulip
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?tags

sick ravenBOT
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spritepacker, spoilers, spoil, saves, savefiles, reset, pirate, pins, noping, modlog, install, info, i, hp, hkmp, error, enemyrando, crash, ck, anyrad

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sly tulip
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mh

toxic ember
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oh sorry

finite surge
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Hey, quick question not really pertaining to speedrunning, but asking here because I figure you guys know the mechanics of hk, particularly quitting out and items saving, quite well and that's what my question pertains to. Feel free to re-direct me but I was told to go elsewhere when I asked in #hk-help lol.

I was under the impression that since the game says "progress will be saved" whenever I quit out, anything you do is saved. It's possible I've just not noticed it NOT say that, and that would explain this but idk what's goin on lol.

https://youtu.be/HBPiE8vNjTw at 13:36 they pick a charm notch up, 15:08 they quit out believing it'll let them retry delicate flower with the "original" flower for a better ending, then at 19:02 they pick it up again.

Quitting out did save the flower having been broken, but for some reason didn't seem to save the charm notch since it was there when they got back again, and I have no clue why lol, any ideas? #hk-help person suggested that it may have been a pirated game, but I really doubt that given the circumstances. This is a pretty solid let's play channel with lots of games and 25k subs who have been loving the game (and end up playing to 112% I believe based on episode names though I haven't watched that far yet). There's been nothing else weird or sketchy going on throughout the series (and I'm 47 parts in, each of which is 20-1h+ long), and they've mentioned buying some merch off of fangamer (a lore book, a grub plushy, and maybe some other stuff) which they genuinely seem to care about. I don't see any motivation for them to have pirated, and even if they did it'd seem like they'd be on the real version by now if they loved it that much to support team cherry (which they've also mentioned wanting to see more games from). That explanation of pirating just doesn't make sense to me, and I'd be interested if there's anything else.

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sorry for a text wall lol

sly tulip
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i think that its a channel where 2 people play

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so one person picks up the notch and later there's a clip of the other one picking it up

finite surge
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Nope, just the one person. In that part they were switching between 2 saves (so that when they re-did the grimm troupe for the NKG ending they had all the same stuff as their main save) but I didn't get the impression that they had swapped saves since most of the time they mentioned when they swapped saves

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(there's 2 people but only one of them plays minus like a 5 min section of one episode thus far)

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that's totally possible though that they wanted to do it on both saves and figured it didn't hurt to just mesh them together in editing and didn't even consider that it's a bit weird

true palm
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if you quit out, it does save progress

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a pirated copy won't affect this

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most pirated copies are on what we call pirate patches, which is just the first patch of any dlc release of the game since they're the first ones to get pirated and dont get updated since contents not added

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for example 1.4.2.4

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this isn't to say if you have that patch its not legitimate, we use it for some speedruns

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this games not drm'd completely, so most pirated copies aren't going to have bugs like that

finite surge
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Alright, good to know, thanks!

tardy herald
jagged vault
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What

weary root
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you have claw and dash?

stable quarry
stable quarry
late aspen
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Um im thinking about getting into speedrunning i was just wondering if it's possible to do a 100% run on current patches, is that acceptable or do i have to either do 112% of downpatch?

weary root
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If you want to submit to the 100% board it has to be on a patch where 100% was max completion so 1.0 or 1.1

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Same goes for other 1xx categories except 107% which we allow to run on patches older than 1.3 because 1.3 is a terrible patch

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(It's really because people wanted a 1xx category that didn't include pantheons without having to downpatch, but the point about 1.3 being a terrible patch stands)

cunning ember
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when i downpach hk via steam to 1.2.2.1 what will happen to my saves?

weary root
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they'll be fine if you don't open them on 1221

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you can make backups though if you like

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?saves

sick ravenBOT
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Saves

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
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Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
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Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
cunning ember
weary root
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they'll be called user1.dat, user2.dat.. etc

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can just copy them somewhere and they'll be safe 👍

late aspen
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Thanks a lot

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I actually had been playing hk on xbox app then i thought about taking up running so guess i gotta get it on steam now

stable quarry
knotty vigil
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hello hollow knight pleps
I recently started speedrunning path of pain
can anyone give me any tips regarding it?

vagrant warren
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You would probably have better luck in the pinned server in #il-movement channel

knotty vigil
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ah okay

brisk linden
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Are we able to downpatch to a version not in the Steam Betas? I'm looking to get back to a version before the Nail Arts damage was reduced by Nail Binding and hear the patch number is 1.4.2.4, but all that's available in steam is 1.4.3.2

steady lynx
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For the special patches you basically need to use depotdownloader

brisk linden
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Thanks for that!

obtuse oasis
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Hey speedrunners like editing save files, right? Are there any resources to help me understand what I'm doing?

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Trying to recreate my PS4 save file

vagrant warren
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Not particularly - speedrunners use saves or savestates for practicing but not generally frequently editing save files. Maybe adding/removing things with debug on occassion.

Depending on exactly what you're trying to recreate, you may just be able to DL a file from SRC

obtuse oasis
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Got it thank you

final elk
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You know who does like (or at least knows how) to edit save files? The modding community over at their server or the channels

knotty vigil
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I am BenjiDestroyer

royal stirrup
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gud for u

supple obsidian
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i got a sub 30 hour

terse ridge
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I remember the days when flukenest was a broken af chamr

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Ah yes, let me just cast once and kill this enemy six times

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Goodbye watcher knight fight

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Hello gorgeos husk 6k geo

final elk
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It’s

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It’s still broken

terse ridge
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Not as broken sadly

final elk
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I’m guessing you came from blues video, and hello, I’m one of those pantheon runners, not the ones who made discovery first or anything but

terse ridge
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I did, however i did play a good bit for like a month back in those days

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Lost that steam account tho, only have the game on switch now

terse ridge
steady lynx
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I can't wait for someone to think you can't kill dupe with flukes on 1.0 patches because of that video

knotty vigil
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speemdrum

sly tulip
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indeed

devout linden
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I did my first full speedrun of HK today!
It failed to record

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💀

late aspen
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I went to modding help and was told to come here i would like to downpatch debug mod to 1.2.2.1

true palm
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you can get newer versions of debug mod and the modding api in the speedrunning discord in pinnned comments

hallow hemlock
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Hey, I’ve seen a lot of speed runners using keyboard and wondered if it has an advantage over controller?

true palm
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theres no inherent advantage

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general consensus is that its slightly easier but not in any significant advantage

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one reason keyboards better than it would be casually is we allow a program called socd cleaner, which make our turns better

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if you press left, and then right, you will turn right, even if ur still holding left, and vice versa

hallow hemlock
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Oh ok thanks for clarifying that

true palm
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this allows for significantly easier fireball skips compared to controller, and makes movement cleaner than it would be otherwise

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keyboards also more popular from an ergonomic perspective, as controllers put almost all the work into your thumbs

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where keyboard spreads the load across all of your fingers

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but despite these things, the current any% wr holder runs on controller, because its really not a big deal

late aspen
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Thanks a lot ive already got the beta i just didnt know where to get the mod version

hallow hemlock
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Ok good to know that it’s not really that different

true palm
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thing is its just a big commitment to swap

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so most runners don't really try both out

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usually the trend is controller runners swap to keyboard (like myself)

hallow hemlock
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Yea as a controller player I’m trying to figure out a good layout for keyboard bc the base one isn’t very good

true palm
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do you want to use wasd?

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you can kind of just mirror defaults if you like wasd

hallow hemlock
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Probably would be the most natural since I use wasd for every other game I play

true palm
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ye so you can try that, just matching the fingers

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some people like jump on space which gives more options but can hurt your thumb

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if you join the server in the pinned comments and search in the meta and mentality channel you'll find pictures of a bunch of different layouts people use

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since this question gets asked a lot

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keyboards a bit of a time investment to get comfortable with it, but i 100% feel like the swap was worth for me personally

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as someone who thought they'd never run on keyboard because it sounded hard and weird

pure epoch
coral shore
steady lynx
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If you're gamer enough you can even kill dupe without flukes

coral shore
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How???

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I will be sad if it's not "just room dupe and kill normally"

steady lynx
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By using dcrest and a very well timed nail hit to kill an enemy twice at the same time

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Still fixed in 1.1.1.6

coral shore
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That's cool

true palm
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it should be any of the dots

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so sporeshroom, dung flukes, etc

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and it should work with anything, its just multiple damage sources

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and because of iframes, one of them needs to be immune to iframes like flukes is

steady lynx
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So you can't dislodge a shriek and kill it with a nail slash at the same time

true palm
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you cannot

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cuz those both use iframes

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you can shriek and dcrest through

steady lynx
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I feel like the lack of iframes is big part in why flukes dps is so good in pre-1.3

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Also not unstaggering bosses

tepid hatch
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Just got to Deepnest in first steel soul speedrun !

coral shore
steady lynx
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On early patches you can completely dislodge an abyss shriek from the Knight

fast dragon
fresh remnant
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hey so i wanna practice any% nmg lately but my downpatched version of 1221 is really, really laggy
this only happens in my downpatched version so when i play current patch it's perfectly fine
any ideas on hwo tto fix this? i literally have everything in my computer closed except for discord, my browser and steam

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i also use opera gx so i can limit the ram and cpu it uses, i have it on minimum

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and i've cleared all temporal files that make my computer slow

final elk
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One way I know of is to run current patch

fresh remnant
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i was thinking about that but idk 1221 feels so much better to play and i just generally prefer it.

final elk
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It feels better to play? What about all the lag?

fresh remnant
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no but like with all the inventory dropping and all the skips that are available i like it more

final elk
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All the skips is inv drops and one lever skip

fresh remnant
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and baldur thingy to kill him one shot

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so does anyone know how to fix it?

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maye i should get a new downpatch? the one i have is like 6 months old

final elk
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A new downpatch?

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Like

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A better version of 1221?

fresh remnant
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no but like downpatch it again
idk i'm really desperate to play 1221 tbh

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it doesnt really make sense

final elk
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Well what you could do is lower resolution and fps, play windowed mode and make the window smaller, those are all just things I’ve heard around h that help with performance

fresh remnant
final elk
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Well

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Current patch is wildly more optimized in performance

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Worse on 1221 is very expected

fresh remnant
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yeah but that worse?

final elk
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Yes. 1221 is not very good performance

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This is what I’ve heard, I’ve only done 1221 a bit a long time ago

fresh remnant
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oof then i will have to run current patch until i get a new PC

final elk
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The chances are that it’s performance related are pretty high, but if you want opinions from people more knowledgeable than me try visiting #tech-support in the pinned server

fresh remnant
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what channel is it pinned in

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oh ok i just saw it

hollow cedar
near nova
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I cant found THK in the splits, what do i do?

hollow cedar
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Do you mean the end of the game? The auto splitter ends automatically, you don’t need to add an auto split, unless you check “end-triggering auto split”

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Also, check out hksplitmaker!

rocky karma
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I want the timer to start when the Pantheon starts, but it starts when the game starts. How can I fix this?

unknown.png
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Isn't it about Start-triggering autosplit?

near nova
final elk
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It’s easier and faster

rocky karma
hollow cedar
near nova
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Thanks!

shy coyote
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different streamers use pictures in their splits or icons. where do i get them?

vagrant warren
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they come with the splits if you download them from hksplitmaker - otherwise, there is a pack of images somewhere but honestly I got it like 4 years ago & have no recollection where it is

shy coyote
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ok thank you

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love the skins drive btw

thorny musk
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it's on src

vagrant warren
shy coyote
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what is the trick that we do on kings pass for an inv drop on 1.2

stuck raptor
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Pausing the game?

fervent wing
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im so glad to say I've finally reached the world record for speedrunning 100 hours on hollow knight

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it took me exactly 100 hours of in game time

meager moth
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Does anybody know how to get speed run timer on PlayStation 4

reef acorn
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I wanna start speedrunning, but i only have a ps5, so is there a way i could do things like downpatching, livesplit, debug, or anything like that?

meager moth
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Do you know about speed run timers on PlayStation

reef acorn
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no but i’ll look that up

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thanks

meager moth
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Ok

stuck raptor
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Timer for consoles is just real time

meager moth
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What do you mean

stuck raptor
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The real, actual time from file select to game end

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You don't need a timer

meager moth
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Oh ok

reef acorn
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i’m an actual idiot

meager moth
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Is there anything else you need for a speed run emphasis on need

stuck raptor
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Livesplit can be used if you want, but time rules for console are real time

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A way to record

meager moth
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Ok

stuck raptor
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Video proof of the whole run must be provided. that's it

meager moth
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If I do a twitch stream will it record it or not

vagrant warren
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by default no, but you can turn on saving of vods & then highlight from the vod

meager moth
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Ok

stuck raptor
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?guides

sick ravenBOT
sly tulip
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?tag achievements

sick ravenBOT
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dynoError No tag achievements found.

sly tulip
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bruuuh

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?tags

sick ravenBOT
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spritepacker, spoilers, spoil, saves, savefiles, reset, pirate, pins, noping, modlog, install, info, i, hp, hkmp, error, enemyrando, crash, ck, anyrad

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sly tulip
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i don't know man

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sorry

steady lynx
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7785897634333714879

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Just replace the long number with that

wary oriole
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is there a fluke% meme category at all

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godhome ending except all mandatory nail damage aside from the flukemarm kill/getting VS has to be done by flukes

steady lynx
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No, people tend to run memes that are good ideas

analog monolith
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other similar categories that exist already (low%, grass%, kronk%, etc) have much more verifiable and manageable endstates

vagrant warren
analog monolith
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what would minimum required damage be actually hmm

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45 aspid arena, 105 false knight, 60 baldur, 350 flukemarm

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what else?

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sanctum for dive, forgot ab that. so more there

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yep! theres a steam betas option in i think the game's steam preferences? that lets you select and run 1221, 1432, or latest patch (1578)

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fireb0rn's video on how to set up a speedrun install is not

meager moth
shadow dagger
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quick question, can you downpatch on console?

stuck raptor
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no

shadow dagger
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ight thanks

vagrant warren
# meager moth Where is the setting for it

In the stream settings, I think the same place as the stream key? but it's been like 4 years LOL so if you can't find it just google it & the help center article will probably pop up

reef acorn
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what would be an efficient way to practice skips like fireball skips on playstation

steady lynx
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debug mod, then just go at it with infinite soul

next forge
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how come my splits dont start when my i start playing? do u have to do it manually

weary root
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try opening livesplit after HK and see if that fixes it

next forge
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ok ty

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some reason when i go into the vengefly spirit room thing once im transfered into the little trial thing my character lies on floor for about 10 seconds

weary root
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on 1221?

next forge
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yeah

weary root
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yeah you have to use default binds to wake up on keyboard for some reason, so just mash the arrow keys a bit

next forge
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i use wads

weary root
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yeah specifically waking up ignores whatever you've set the binds to

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do you have to use default to wake up

next forge
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ah ok

winter solstice
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has anyone speedran p5 hitless all bindings

open silo
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only 2 ppl have done r5ab

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ppl have speedran p5 hitless and p5ab tho

pure epoch
sudden solstice
final elk
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Another Chinese player

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WJLFF or something like that

knotty vigil
sly tulip
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jump and fireball in the opposite direction

toxic ember
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how 2 get speed completion achievement without anxiety

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i did speedrun 2 and it felt like i was in a hurry the entire game since even with a route i was low on geo and had to improvise the whole time

formal bough
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!srpsa

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what is that gone it was such a nice link to the guide

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oh it's a ?

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?srpsa

sick ravenBOT
formal bough
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this guide is pretty good

toxic ember
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tyty

blissful depot
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the inputs can be kinda tricky but once you get the muscle memory down it’s not too hard

stable quarry
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If your on keyboard then I heighly reccomend SOCD Cleaner

final elk
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Fb skips on switch would be really rough

shy coyote
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does anyone have an updated guide to the any% route?

stable quarry
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@shy coyote

hallow dock
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two questions... the answer the either one would be helpful and both would be amazing. first, how do i get HKTimer to work on 1221. i installed the mod and everything but how do i actually make it time things? second, i cant figure out how to create multiple save states using debug mod (i have the latest version). thanks in advance, please ping on reply

wraith trellis
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<@&283547423706447872>

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ty again!

shy copper
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vagrant warren
vagrant warren
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@hallow dock ^ unpinged by reflex

hallow dock
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not sure if you wanted me to ping or not @vagrant warren

vagrant warren
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It's not necessary but I don't particularly mind. The other thing that comes to mind is updated 1221 api, if you have that I'd suggest asked in the speedrun server as there are more people who actively use it

hallow dock
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yeah ive got it

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i think its mostly i dont know how to use the mods, as they seem to be functioning correctly

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i already asked in that server, and nobody replied after a day, so thats why i came here

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i can ask again though

vagrant warren
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Which channel did you ask in? Tech support & help are usually pretty active bit it might just be that no one who knew the answer actually saw your Q

hallow dock
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tech support

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yeah thats probably what happened

swift ridge
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I tried to redo whole splits, tried with 1 split, time stays green but still does not run

slow pivot
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Hello, is there a tutorial available for the mantis petra arena on current patch? (1.5 +)

final elk
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Although idk if it’s different on current patch

verbal stag
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its different on lp because they have more health

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looks like you just do the 1221 strat then hit the last 2 with a nail after the 2 fbs

vapid knoll
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silly meme category idea

unknown.png
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the motivation being: how do we make boss order randomization as cursed as possible?

sly tulip
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huh

analog orchid
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wrong channel lmao

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they meant to put it in hk voice XD

fair trellis
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mb

steady lynx
vapid knoll
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i didn't intend for it to become a real category lol. i'd like to try it once out of curiosity though

steady lynx
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I did some semi low% AB on 1.2.2.1 once as a joke, really only notable thing of severe difficulty was Grimmkin nightmares and colo 3

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Even NKG was more tedious than difficult

vapid knoll
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the point for me at least wouldn't be low-equipment boss fights; the point would be to see what sorts of weird or obscure skips you have to pull off for it, à la hk randomizer

steady lynx
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It'd really end up just being most fights with only base nail, rarely Dive

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Kinda like how casual players who didn't find the nailsmith play

vapid knoll
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or more broadly: what's the way that you can play hk that most resembles how you play hk randomizer? that's the aspect of weird boss orders that interests me the most, because they emulate it the best, i've found

vagrant warren
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Probably something like SBRCO

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(Salubra's Blessing Random Charm Order)

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but if you want to resemble rando why not ... just play rando?

steady lynx
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We considered making a more competitive random boss order format but it never took off

vapid knoll
# vagrant warren but if you want to resemble rando why not ... just play rando?

i don't want to play rando. (i mean, i do sometimes, but when i do, i go play rando.) i want to find the most accidentally interesting category unintentionally designed by team cherry. it's a happy accident that p5 order overworld bosses is possible at all; it could easily have put a dream warrior too early, or only included hornet 2 and not hornet 1 (since with other fights with two versions, it only includes one, even nosk 2, who's mechanically more similar to vengefly king than to nosk 1). that's why having an element of randomness isn't satisfying to me; it's got to be deterministic, or else you can't claim that it's team cherry's fault that the category is the way it is. it's interesting when you can look at all the different design considerations that went into shaping a category and making it possible, without any of them having a single damn to do with it. i think both low% categories and weird boss order categories are good resources for that, so combining the two would be interesting

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that said, charm order is an angle i haven't thought of. i wonder if salubra's blessing, alphabetical charm order is possible? assuming that it's possible to collect grubberfly's elegy before grubsong (since they aren't like essence rewards in that you have to collect them serially to obtain the next reward)

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void heart is last or almost last (are there charms beginning with w or y?)

steady lynx
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I remember there was some order that was impossible

vapid knoll
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so it might be 1. possible, and 2. interesting. but since you have to get basically all the skills early on it might not be fun

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or, like, interesting

steady lynx
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Or was it that alphabetical order makes 0 sense when TC made the game be in Chinese for some reason

royal rock
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i speedrun hollow knight in 17 days 3 hours 42 minutes 9 seconds 37 milliseconds

knotty vigil
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wrong server

vapid knoll
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very cursed

analog monolith
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salubra's blessing alphabetical order iirc is only possible in chinese

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or smth like that

vapid knoll
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wait, that's an actual thing? wow. does "only possible in chinese" mean that it's possible if you get them in standard dictionary order? (insofar as chinese has a standard dictionary order. my understanding is that even within the prc there's multiple standards.) or is it only possible if you claim that "alphabetical order" as a concept doesn't exist in chinese? or actually since it's "alphabetical", is it alphabetical order by pinyin? so many possible ways to interpret it

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(note: i said prc because afaik hk's chinese is simplified, not traditional like the roc uses)

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(never looked at it closely, though)

analog monolith
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looks like it actually is possible in english

sacred thunder
vapid knoll
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til itemless baldur is possible

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not the worst nail in the coffin for a category but def unfun and unpleasant

compact cliff
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uhhh ive never done a hollow knght speed run before, and im interested in doing abyss climb, but i dont know how to set up livesplit for hk

coarse rune
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ive seen clips of someone dashing then fireball then suddenly another dash in the air

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how does this actually work?

sly tulip
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when you dash of a platform you keep the dash

verbal stag
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^

sly tulip
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basically double dash

verbal stag
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fireball is just for air stall

sly tulip
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the fireball is there to stall in the air and minimise the time you fall

coarse rune
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alr thx

clear rampart
compact cliff
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Thanks

clear rampart
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All good :)

oblique crane
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FINALLY

unknown.png
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My first speedrun

knotty vigil
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gg

peak delta
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is explosion skips still doable or did they remove em?

weary root
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Epogo still works but it's different cause you can no longer pogo the explosion
Tutorial here if you're interested https://youtu.be/bYsRWyHjcmM

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[Hollow Knight] Current Patch Explosion Pogo Tutorial

Update with the release of 1.5: This explosion pogo is still valid on the current patch of Hollow Knight, and older methods are still patched, so all the information in this video is still up to date.

This is a new method for performing Explosion Pogo in Hollow Knight on Current Patch (1.4.3.2 at the time of publishing this). This came out of s...

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slow pivot
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It's the most fun skip imo

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The new one

scarlet dune
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does anyone have splits for pantheon of hallownest?

vagrant warren
scarlet dune
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thx