speedrunning

[midnight storm]

[snow dome]

The top times are mostly on keyboard, but is that just because those players are better or because of the keyboard?

[forest latch]

But real quick, isn't there a software that tracks the keyboard/controller imputs?

[midnight storm]

Better

[snow dome]

All I know is that I've used both and am bad.

[midnight storm]

Fireborn is on controller

[snow dome]

"mostly"

[midnight storm]

Yeah

[snow dome]

Fireborn uses keyboard for blue lake though

Ergo

[last inlet]

we all know blue lake is the apex of skill

[midnight storm]

I use keyboard to do the "early bells"

[steady lynx]

Blue Lake isn't real

[short spire]

for any% top times are majority kb actually

[forest latch]

It's just a fabrication from our minds

[short spire]

i mean controller

[midnight storm]

Blue lake doesn't even exist

[short spire]

majority controller

[steady lynx]

What does pest use?

[snow dome]

This can't be true because I said otherwise? And that would make me wrong?

So I'm pretty sure it can't be true

[midnight storm]

Any % top times are majority controller ?

[forest latch]

I still need to finish setting up the splits tho
And I need to figure out a route that I can do, along with learning the skips for Current Patch NMG Any%

Yes, I said Current Patch

Fight me /j

[haughty fossil]

gamepadviewer.com for controller (recently broken on obs studio, an alternative is input-overlay) and nohboard for kb

[short spire]

only people in top 10 who play kb are me and muri i think

[haughty fossil]

why does editing replies make them ping discord what

[midnight storm]

This is why I had trouble with gamepadviewer.com recently ...

[snow dome]

Kanra plays keyboard?

[forest latch]

There's a way to turn them off

[snow dome]

And is wr

[normal aspen]

Kanra isnt top 10

[snow dome]

In best cat

[haughty fossil]

i don't see it when i'm editing a message

[forest latch]

Ohh okay! I'll see what I can do

[midnight storm]

Pharest is playing controller ?

[frigid rapids]

she's top 10 on CP insomnia

yes tinker

[normal aspen]

outside of meme cats

[snow dome]

Angery react

[haughty fossil]

ins0mnia i will remove your spleen >:L

[midnight storm]

CP ... you mean that famous meme cat ?

[snow dome]

Read this to the tube of Hot Chip

[short spire]

i was talking any% nmg, not any% nmg with even more arbitrary restrictions

[forest latch]

Turn the circled thing off when replying to someone

[charred sigil]

I'm going to remove his... speed!

in that upcoming race

hehheh

gottem

[forest latch]

Races... oh god

[haughty fossil]

i have a plugin that does that for me, but when i'm editing a message i can't turn it off and it turns the non-ping reply into a ping reply. see?

[snow dome]

Doesn't appear when editing

[forest latch]

That's actually odd ngl

[frigid rapids]

it highlights the message but doesn't properly ping people

[forest latch]

Yeah I can see that

[frigid rapids]

like when you edit a message

[haughty fossil]

yeah but still i dont like the highlighting

[forest latch]

Replies are kinda broken in general

[normal aspen]

I miss quote

[charred sigil]

I hated quote

[haughty fossil]

anyway, check out the current patch nmg guide on speedrun.com, i heard the person who made is is very cute (and should turn the powerpoint into google slides so it doesn't take 20 years to load)

[normal aspen]

^ +1 for the cuteness of the creator

[forest latch]

I got god knows how many tabs up, time to add one more

[normal aspen]

The first swing here isnt too hard and saves around 0.03-0.05, second one was just to up size diff to get a better idea of timesave. Seems run viable for russian hacks users or ppl on cntroller using claw and basically every cat does aspid arena

Sure there are more applications, but its certainly the most prominent before dash

For ref the room was 6.30-6.32 walking through

[midnight storm]

@haughty fossil how are you doing the baldur spelles

[haughty fossil]

crying 🙂

(for both dreamshield and longnail baldur kill: line up at edge of baldur curlup range, tap right and pause at the same time, hold left, press nail just after unpausing)

timing is slightly different for the two, and with both you can attempt to swing again to get a second hit

[midnight storm]

I just got a hit, thanks

[short spire]

i estimated it to save about .05 per swing by using half speed insomnia so that seems about right

[normal aspen]

the last goam room u can do like 4 pretty easy too

actually VS split has a fair few with walk offs too which are the easiest. imo kinda worth

def gonna go for them for Muris roomsob thing

[short spire]

yeah we'll def try to fit in all we can for the segmented run im sure,bit sketchy still for full runs tho ha

tfw dirtmouth is no longer a free room 😔

[normal aspen]

yeah some of them are pretty fucked

walk off ones seem kinda chill tho

[midnight storm]

Well ... spelless Baldur is damn hard, I was trying a route with long nail + fury of the fallen to be able to do it with only 7 hits, and avoid farming for lantern early and going twice to Cpeaks

But I only managed to land 2 hits in 1 hour

[granite field]

Long nail + Fury seems optimal though, I also tried with it just to see by myself

[snow dome]

I've never heard of this pause method fwiw

I just keep pressing left and right and nail until it dies

[haughty fossil]

pause method makes timing easier

[granite field]

I've done approximatively 0 hits in an hour

[haughty fossil]

i tend to get dreamshield hits like 1/5 and longnail 1/10 - 1/20 on a good day

[midnight storm]

I have to train that a bit

[haughty fossil]

(that came from a full day practicing for spelless%, followed immediately by an urge to not run the category )

after as tourney though, wr is going to be destroyed

[midnight storm]

Spelless category looks fun without this Baldur

[normal aspen]

Should do bestgirl%

[steady lynx]

Should have subcategories on spelless for true ending

[midnight storm]

Bestgirl% ?

[steady lynx]

Basically cdashless

[normal aspen]

only valid if u dont kill dung defender tho

because uhhhhh reasons

only valid ifg you dont fight dung defender tho

[forest latch]

Alright so I just finished setting up the splits
Now, onto the skips

[fading fern]

Just curious, how do you properly skip this?
I know you can Cyclone Slash it and skip the lil cutscene but I can never get the timing for it

[meager current]

Don't you just use cyclone slash on the lantern and once it lights up try cdash out

[haughty fossil]

you do a lil wiggle

stand behind the pillar on the left, and release cyclone and wiggle left and right

some people do some hits beforehand to reduce the number of successful wiggles they need

[short spire]

you gotta move the hitbox of the cyclone in and out of the lanterns hitbox, each time it passes in it will hit

[fading fern]

Ahhhhh it worked! So that's how you do it! Thank you!

[steady lynx]

It's one of those things thay seems hard, then it isn't, then you realise it's hard to do fast

It's used in 106 and 112, but not in 112 if you're a weenie like me who gets Joni's after banishing

[fading fern]

Well now I have a free time save in my runs at the lantern

[forest latch]

Ok so I'm practicing the VS skip
And I'm struggling with it

[haughty fossil]

that's fine, it's a pretty precise skip to memorise inputs for starting out

[forest latch]

Yeah, true that
I can do the squit skip just fine if I fail the first VS skip, but the second one... oh god

[haughty fossil]

the second one you can just walk around

it's something like 8-10s timeloss iirc

[granite field]

Isn't there a backup where you bait one of those guys up there to fall then pogo on them?

For 2nd VS

[forest latch]

No lol

Oh wait

Yeah there is, from my knowledge

[haughty fossil]

that's current patch "exclusive" and takes some practice to make consistent

[forest latch]

I think I can do that, idk

I think one other skip I struggled on was the acid skip

[digital jewel]

it works on every patch it's just only consistent on current patch

I think the husk you pogo has different spawns on other patches

[haughty fossil]

yeah that's correct

[forest latch]

Isn't acid skip harder to pull off?

[granite field]

I've seen a few people doing it and that seems cool, but not hyper consistent. Though Idk if you can backup for it after VS attempt or need to go straight for this skip

[haughty fossil]

the fog canyon acid skip is quite easy, the one into queen's gardens is much harder, but again there is an alternate route that loses ~40s

[forest latch]

Idk how I'm struggling on the fog canyon acid skip

[haughty fossil]

walk off the floating platform and press cdash as you hit the wall

[forest latch]

Alright, I'll go try that rq

I'm still struggling the hell-

[low bramble]

do you have ismas on?

[forest latch]

I'm in my 112% save file trying to practice the skip, so.. yeah

[low bramble]

you cant do the skip with ismas on its impossible

the acid sucks u in

[forest latch]

Ah, makes sense

[haughty fossil]

aerto real mvp

[hearty adder]

Are you on pc?

[forest latch]

Ofc I'm on PC

[hearty adder]

If you are, you can download debug mod

[haughty fossil]

recommend downloading debugmod massively

[hearty adder]

Will make practice so so much easier

[forest latch]

True, I'll see what I can do

[hearty adder]

Also, are you running cp or 1221?

Cp has the Modinstaller, but if you're running 1221 you have to download mods manually (which is actually pretty easy)

[forest latch]

CP

[hearty adder]

Then that's easy

Just remember to have a separate unmodded install

[forest latch]

I'll look into that, hopefully I don't mess anything up while getting a modded install set up-

[hearty adder]

Just installing moddingAPI and debug won't mess anything up, don't worry

... though I recommend you back up your save

[forest latch]

Got it

[limpid ruin]

Mm, I think obs studio for recording, timer I'm unfortunately clueless on tho. No autosplitter for Linux and mac either, so has to be timed realtime (rta), just an unfortunate side effect of the operating systems being different

[haughty fossil]

(i'd honestly just recommend dual booting windows to speedrun hk, you're going to have a v. inaccurate perspective of your times using rta)

[knotty vigil]

I'm considering doing a speedrun, (not for uploads or anything, just for fun ☺️) do you guys have any suggestions?

[haughty fossil]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[haughty fossil]

^ this guide

[knotty vigil]

thank you!

[blazing aspen]

for speedrunning to be verified i can't have mods on right

[hearty adder]

Yeah, unless you're running one of the mosded categories

No mods dependant on moddingAPI

Some categories use things such as load extenders

[blazing aspen]

Ok thanks, and the split timer is that a mod or how can i download it

[hearty adder]

That's Livesplit, it's a separate program

Check pins

[blazing aspen]

ok thank you!

[grizzled maple]

Livesplit. Basically all speedrun communities use it so there's a lot of resources online. For our autosplitter specifically check pins

[jagged vault]

Yeah, make sure you don’t have the moddinapi itself installed either, it invalidates your run if you do

[devout smelt]

thank you

and thank you

[limpid mural]

Guys what about 1% speedrun

You need to get 1% ASAP

[harsh mason]

kp il

bad meme

[limpid mural]

What

kp il?

[harsh mason]

its a kings pass il

except you go to fotf instead of leaving

[limpid mural]

Yes

[forest latch]

Time to start the run

[harsh mason]

and as i said, bad meme

[forest latch]

Be back soon

[twin swallow]

good luck

[haughty fossil]

at least menderbug% has rng meme 🥴

[limpid mural]

Why bad meme it’s a great idea

[harsh mason]

4ms is probably the best "1%" esque category

even if you get extra %

[twin swallow]

you could just stop at "4ms is probably the best" tbh

[haughty fossil]

aluba% though

[meager current]

1% ag 🥴

[median gull]

run 106% fotf comsob

That's your 1%

Also, we usually keep meme categories as just meme, and avoid shitpost categories on it.

[midnight storm]

This is what it feels to fall before beast's den

[uneven scarab]

Learn the route back up, np, np

[midnight storm]

I just tried to see if there was something under the ground by falling during hours

And there is nothing
Like there is no hope when you fall before beast's den

[median gull]

just get pfloat and climb up

oh wait, there's no ground to get your first jump nvm

[midnight storm]

I'm at -10 millions position

I can't just wall jump to climb up

[twin swallow]

truly embracing the void in a literal sense

[median gull]

is that GE wr?

[midnight storm]

RealVoid% meme category incomming ?

I should have post this into a meme channel I guess

[forest latch]

I struggled a whole lot, I'm too tired to do it anymore
Tomorrow is another day

[stark stream]

@midnight storm I'll run it

[low thicket]

Ok so I fell asleep before checking this again but that picture was taken with no wings

[outer gate]

is there any way to get my switch pro controller working on 1.2.2.1?

[haughty fossil]

iirc pro con users use joytokey to map controller to keyboard but i might be wrong

[outer gate]

alr ty ill try it out

[golden bobcat]

Is there any way to disable Ismas tear to practice QGA?

[harsh mason]

debug

[digital jewel]

do you have debug mod?

[harsh mason]

save editor

[golden bobcat]

I'm on Switch

[digital jewel]

no

there's no way to disable it

[steady lynx]

Play another save up to then

[elder gale]

4th full run

[carmine yew]

gg!

Huge PB

[elder gale]

fun fact died broken vessel without even breaking the wall so i needed go all the way around 2 times

[carmine yew]

Oh no haha

[elder gale]

-3 from just hornet and - 5 just from dark deepnest makes it pretty much

[digital jewel]

does your livesplit usually take up 1/4 of your screen

[elder gale]

yeah right now it takes lol

maybe should be less

[digital jewel]

it should be less

[elder gale]

i mean its little bit invisible so you can see trough it

if you wanna analyse something behind it

[digital jewel]

that makes it a bit better

[elder gale]

in that screenshot its unclear becouse blaack backround

looks like this with some colors on back

[steady lynx]

Just realised I can bind inventory to the L button since it's not used anyway

[hearty adder]

Oh god you're right

I think I'm gonna do it too

[plush stone]

is this good for my 2nd attempt?

(finished the game btw)

[hearty adder]

Any time you're proud of is good

What route did you go for?

[plush stone]

I think fireborns 3 hour guide is similar to my route

I basically got all mobility upgrades (dash, claw, wings, crystal, isma) upgraded my nail 2 times, got 2 charm notches (bought one from the npc along with shamans stone) + shade soul and descending dark

No health or vessel upgrades

[small magnet]

Is that the guide to get the 5 hour achievement? I'm not familiar with it

[hearty adder]

If that's what you're interested in, then I suggest you check out the All Skills category to streamline your runs further

[thorn jasper]

you could take the all skills route, throw in a bunch of relics for lantern/nail upgrades/charm notch, and boom gg

I hope that helped console some of your worries

[twin swallow]

hang around for more, slaurent has plenty

[thorn jasper]

I hope you were able to Switch up your routine a bit. Maybe go for a nice airwalk, maybe finding a new dashing outfit. Now that you're rested, you can return with a vengeful spirit and pb to-knight!

[small magnet]

I'm not sure how I feel about what I just read

[charred sigil]

Art

[small magnet]

Art can be confusing

[charred sigil]

Sadly it will have to be unpinned in a while, there is important stuff up there

but i will leave it for now

unless someone requests it to be fixed right away

[digital jewel]

[haughty fossil]

sabi pinning art is respectable, but unfortunately the art gallery is in #any-percent-nmg

[charred sigil]

hmmm true

[grizzled maple]

mods meming in #speedrunning 😔 who will save us

[thorn jasper]

I got a screenshot of it being in pins

[short spire]

#any-percent-nmg pins are just the public display, the true treasure vault is the #sr-offtopic pins

[grizzled maple]

we ruined it with serious posts 😔

quick someone pin a duck

[deft flame]

whats the easiest way to get THK scream skip? grounded dash or dashing above him?

[haughty fossil]

absolutely above him

you want your dash to end above him so that you get stunned by the scream, then fall into him

[sage tinsel]

@tender fox BEST SPOEEDRUNNER IN WORLD

HE FINISHED IN 29mins

[tender fox]

yes

[short spire]

#hk-meme

[deft flame]

thank you jamie

[sage tinsel]

@tender fox just set new rekod for biting the gmae in 27 miuntes

[digital jewel]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[digital jewel]

not the place for this

[spark oyster]

<@&284848710960021504> Hi ! My Any% Current Patch run has just been validated :3 Could I get the speedrunner role pls ?

[snow dome]

Please post a link to it

They should do so pretty quick once you do

[spark oyster]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yj1gpody
This link ?

thanks !

[stable bronze]

oh phew I'm no longer the wr holder for xseries

[steady lynx]

Take the WR back

[stable bronze]

I'll try!

it's about a minute faster than my run but I'll be the first to tell you my run has lots of room for improvement

[snow dome]

~Every speedrunner after every single run

[stable bronze]

it's how I know I've made it

does something faster than they've ever done it before this is terrible, just the worst

[haughty fossil]

guess who hasn't run any% since

[knotty vigil]

thats crazy

[normal aspen]

It's because you're not near me

[haughty fossil]

its because i need to beat u in all skills tourney

as soon as i fail to do that, i'll go back to any%

[normal aspen]

Ur like 2m ahead of me

You'll beat me free

[stable bronze]

I have a long weekend now so maybe I'll do some wr attempts at some point

[haughty fossil]

not if i do this in tourney 🥴 https://www.twitch.tv/manicjamie/clip/ObliqueBusyVampireCorgiDerp?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[normal aspen]

Lmao

Instant karma

[haughty fossil]

i was just trying to be funny

[jagged vault]

omg jamie

that's such a good clip

[hearty adder]

I would say you were successful, if in an unintended way

[charred sigil]

Jamie's laugh is just beautiful

blessed

[jagged vault]

jamie is such a hecking cute

iflj

[charred sigil]

iflj

[haughty fossil]

no u @ sabi no u @ blue >:L

[charred sigil]

u

[snow dome]

Jamie is so posh

[pseudo laurel]

that clip was fantastic

[normal aspen]

Clip hall of fame when

[pseudo laurel]

at first i thought it was kinda like how hard underplat is

fantastic

[steady lynx]

You can hear the life drain out of him

[haughty fossil]

i proceeded to not get another run the rest of the stream

the power of self-deprecation while running.... wait no this is a bad example i swea-

[pseudo laurel]

woooooooooooooo we suck

[normal aspen]

wooooo

[vocal dove]

i was on pb pace, somehow got QGA, and died

died to the flying motherfuckers

[steady lynx]

One day you'll reclaim the switch any% WR you had for like 10 minutes

[hearty adder]

Queen's Gardens is a cursed place

[vocal dove]

you mean the WR that skurry verified and made the whole srcom channel get mad at me

[steady lynx]

I don't think anyone was mad

I just thought it was kinda funny

[vocal dove]

true i shouldn't say mad. it was hilarious though.

lul

[steady lynx]

At least your any% times are getting better than mine

[stray kestrel]

finessed that wr

[steady lynx]

Wait, I don't even have any submitted

[stray kestrel]

well played

[vocal dove]

better get on that!

[steady lynx]

But I'm on the 112 grind, sub 4:30 ain't gonna get itself

[vocal dove]

bless

[steady lynx]

I would've gotten it if I remembered that one dreamgate but ya know, you win some you lose some

[vocal dove]

damn there's really only 2 switch 112 runs

[steady lynx]

There's actually five, three of them are obsolete though

[forest latch]

So I fucked up during my first three attempts because I was nervous as fuck and couldn't remember the route properly

So I'm gonna try again today

[steady lynx]

PS4 112 is even worse, and PS5 112 doesn't even have runs

[limpid ruin]

Is that still an issue? Basically it's bc time without loads always gets precedence, and the others only had rta. It's just a minor slip up from us verifiers and/or mods

[steady lynx]

Yeah, Skurry did it by accident but it was fixed

[limpid ruin]

Dw I do the same and I'm 900 attempts in

[haughty fossil]

remember, there's no shame in having the route up for your first few runs: its actually how I and a lot of other people use to get used to a new category

[steady lynx]

Even top runners sometimes go completely wrong

[forest latch]

Yeah my third attempt.. I had a pretty good run going, until I forgot the way to Fungal Wastes-

[limpid ruin]

Let's just say I used rather very detailed route notes even after months of learning beforehand

[normal aspen]

VS 2

[haughty fossil]

here is a clip of ax2u, 2nd place in any%, doing vs twice 🙂 https://www.twitch.tv/ax2u/clip/CrypticAmorphousPineappleCclamChamp?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[forest latch]

I was nervous (obvs) and tired at the time, so I feel like I'll give it another go later today

[grizzled maple]

i use paper notes so i can just keep them next to me as a safety net

[normal aspen]

I just fuck up

[steady lynx]

Fun thing, I barely know where any grub in the game is off the top of my head but somehow I remember getting them when I run 112

[grizzled maple]

Here's that same segment, but better
https://www.twitch.tv/acridstingray3/clip/LittleAgitatedPenguinFunRun

[steady lynx]

ay papa never gets old

[forest latch]

ay papa

[short spire]

damn the gruz mom split is actually a meme machine

[steady lynx]

Honestly, shouldn't have told Ax and just seen how long it'd take him to realise

[short spire]

well i wouldn't have been able to break out of fk so then at the latest lol

[hearty adder]

ay papá

[tardy sable]

😦

[versed elbow]

Even your vessel looks distressed

[tardy sable]

something about dying in peaks is especially sad, it's like, i didn't die to watcher knights, how did I die to flippy crystal platforms

[forest latch]

I had such a good run going, but then I accidentally died to one of the sentry husks-

Pain, agony even

[tardy sable]

Living the life

I got stuck under an elevator when going from Lemm to King's station and went out of bounds, had to save and quit back to Lurien, and it was all tilt from there

[vocal dove]

🙃

[unique wedge]

is there a backup to the early Mantis VIllage in CP? Any tips on makng the explosion bounce if not?

[normal aspen]

you can just go around

loses like 30s or smthn but is free

[unique wedge]

30 aint that bad alright. THought it was worst then that

def will go around if I miss it then

less time loss then dying

[neon island]

idk why, but this shot looks so sick

but sad

[forest latch]

LETS GOOOO
Watcher Knights took me longer because we know how they are, but still

[neon island]

GG!!

[forest latch]

More clear image

[serene coral]

my baby nmg route with shade soul has delivered me a sub-1h run

considering how close my boss fights were, i'm a liittle concerned about doing them without shade soul if i switch to a more serious route 😬

before that, though: is my livesplit messed up? showing 58m59s IGT but livesplit's "game time" is 55:48

not sure if that's a typical discrepancy or what

[neon island]

No, your LiveSplit is correct

Hollow Knight's in game timer is broken

Some people's finished any% runs have displayed times less than a minute

[serene coral]

thanks!

is it bad etiquette if i submit a noob run for access to channels

[neon island]

Not at all

[normal aspen]

nah

[forest latch]

I mean, I just finished my first run, so...

After 16 attempts

[formal bough]

It is only bad etiquette if you then stop doing any speedrunning. cough cough me cough cough

[normal aspen]

its only bad when its obviously 0 effort for blue name and then ur never seen again in sr

[fair island]

How much time do you lose by doing the mosquito skip in green path rather than the fireball one?

[forest latch]

I did Squit Skip instead of VS skip 1 because good god is it ever hard to do it

[neon island]

Somewhere around 10s iirc

but that is if you attempt to go for it once then fail it, and then make the squit backup

[forest latch]

Rq, does Youtube bar you from uploading videos over 30 minutes?

[neon island]

I don't think so

[normal aspen]

no

[forest latch]

Ok good

[serene coral]

i remember when there was like a 10min limit

[normal aspen]

[forest latch]

Ah, the old Youtube

I'm pretty sure you could break that limit by verifying a phone number

I could be wrong

[fair island]

What if you don't do the vs skip at all?

[neon island]

You mean what if you don't try to make the fireball skip and just go straight to pogo the squit?

[fair island]

Yea

I should have phrased that better

[neon island]

Well, you might only lose around 8-9s

Somewhere in that range

(completely guessing, btw)

[normal aspen]

Worth going for tho coz you will get it down sooner that way

[fair island]

I tried for half an hour yesterday and I didn't even come close

[neon island]

Are you using quick cast?

[fair island]

Yea

I found that Im not casting fast enough even with quick cast

And I'm not sure how to fix that

[meager current]

You can't spam the button, you gotta time it so as soon as you can fire another Vs it fires

[forest latch]

I just stick with Squit Skip, VS skip is kinda too difficult for me

[serene coral]

probably listen to a better runner before me, but i've found it useful to put quick cast on L1 if you have a controller

[fair island]

It's safer but it's less cool. I wanna be cool and do a fireball skip

I'm on keyboard

[serene coral]

default controls are kind of bad

[forest latch]

What is the L1 even do?

[neon island]

L1 by default is Map I think

I wouldn't know, I don't use DS4

[forest latch]

I use the Xbox One controller, the button is called LB

iirc, it's also the map button

[serene coral]

i like L1 quick cast, R1 dash, makes them feel much easier to use on my gamepad

but maybe other controllers have better L2/R2 buttons or something

[forest latch]

YOUTUBE.

Welp, off I go to grab a phone number

[stray kestrel]

Yea I had to verify something something to upload my runs

[forest latch]

Alright, verified my account
Let's try this again

[fair island]

if youtube struggling to process it try compressing the video a little

[forest latch]

“Video is too long.”

[meager current]

How long is it

[fervent dock]

Nah, it can be as long as it wants usually

But if you don’t have a verified google account you can’t go past 15 minutes

I had the exact same issue with my first run

[forest latch]

Now that the video is actually done, it's about time I submitted the run

[serene coral]

oh oops

i submitted under the general NMG category and just specified the current patch, didn't realize there was a "Current Patch NMG" category

[forest latch]

Yeah, there is

[fair island]

You can edit your run to change it

[serene coral]

can i do that while it's awaiting verification? doesn't seem like there's a button for it

[knotty vigil]

Is that speedrunner role I see?

[serene coral]

wait jk i'm a noob at this website, i found the button

[jaunty anvil]

I GOT MY RUNS VERUIFIED CAN I HAS A SPEEDRUN ROLL ?

(murmurmur on speedrun.com)

[knotty vigil]

link ur run still

[high kraken]

what does an any% run on most recent patch look like? like what tech is there and what tech is there that would be tas only?

[knotty vigil]

i know ur not wr but ther are plenty of runs on speedrun.com that you can check out and see what they did for the place and time they got, and idk the command but theres a command to a nice guide for it im just a pantheon speedrunner and never use it klsajfdsalkfj

[lucid stirrup]

no tas only stuff so far

[normal aspen]

some small stuff thats not rlly rta viable but yeah

[lucid stirrup]

and even if something is frame perfect people will probably do it. There's a few things people can do but don't go for in runs because they are dumb

[high kraken]

is stuff like menu storage still in most recent one?

[normal aspen]

ye

different to pre lifeblood but the godmaster version is still in cp

[high kraken]

it doesnt seem like theres a true any% for most recent patch

only nmg

[normal aspen]

any% AG is faster on 1028 yeah

[high kraken]

im from celeste where we always use most recent version so im torn on if i should downpatch to an older version or not

[normal aspen]

the curent patch nmg cat is only a thing so cp runners arent disadvantaged in the most popular cat, but yeah if u wanna do AG or NMMS ur gonna have to dowpatch

plus ya know, current patch bad

[lucid stirrup]

the older patches are more competitive/more people running, but there are plenty of resources for current patch

but also current patch bad

[granite field]

As you want honestly. 1221 has cool glitches and skips but CP might run smoother for some specs

[normal aspen]

CP is def better on potato PCs yeah

[granite field]

also current patch not that bad

[forest latch]

True -wheeze-

[granite field]

Ok 1221 runners I bet you can't do 112%

(jk)

[high kraken]

for all glitches which version should i use and also can someone please explain or link to something that explains how it works?

[normal aspen]

1028 for AG, but its unironically bad, you may want to watch a run of that and NMMS to compare. There isn't really any resources for AG beyond watching runs and asking questions

[high kraken]

whats nmms stand for?

[normal aspen]

no main menu storage

[high kraken]

oh right why is it bad?

[normal aspen]

main menu storage is a super over centralising glitch and reduces the run to getting 2 items and doing minimal actual tricks

nmms is a lot more vaired and interesting

[high kraken]

its also longer tho, and im looking to make a tas

[normal aspen]

oh uhhhhhhhh good luck TASing HK

[high kraken]

yeah ik

why do you say that, is it the rng?

[normal aspen]

bisaclly everything being tied to framerate as well

[high kraken]

whys that bad?

[normal aspen]

coz stuff like dash length and that will change based on miniscule fluctuations in framerate and desync

[high kraken]

im sorry does it not run at a consistent framerate?

[weary root]

Nothing you'd notice playing normally but your TAS wouldn't get the same results every time

[high kraken]

kill me

are you sure

[weary root]

Very sure

[high kraken]

whats that kind of stuff based on?

[normal aspen]

I mean youre more than welcome to try

[weary root]

Unity

[normal aspen]

its all unity engine

[high kraken]

no i mean, why will it be different?

what causes the framerate fluctuations?

[devout lynx]

Hello, I'm new here and in the speedrunning community as a whole

[weary root]

Cause framerate is inconsistent (unity), and many things are framerate dependant(also unity)

[normal aspen]

#archived-modding-help is prob more qualified to answer tas related stuff btw

[forest latch]

Welcome!
Even tho I don't have the speedrunner role... yet, hopefully you have fun speedrunning 👁️👁️

[weary root]

Welcome randomname! If you're looking for guides or help there is a bunch of info in the pins!

[devout lynx]

Thanks, I'll be sure to check those out

[weary root]

Any more specific questions feel free to ask here

[high kraken]

what acc causes the fluctuations, is there no way to control them?

[weary root]

You could control them by limiting your framerate to something very low maybe, but input handling is also framerate dependant

[harsh mason]

the fact frames dont take the same amount of time

but it uses how long they take to do logic

[forest latch]

Yeah I remember that I failed the first jump in the husk area in Greenpath because of input lag

[high kraken]

well when making a tas you advance frame by frame, would that help?

why do frames take different amounts of time who thought that was a good idea?

[harsh mason]

thats how computers work

[forest latch]

I struggled with Acid skip (ofc), and Shade skip was kinda difficult to pull off

[high kraken]

celeste doesnt do that

[harsh mason]

most modern games don't have fixed duration frame rates

yes

well technically no

but yes celeste doesn't

celeste frames take a random amount of time, but to make it deterministic it does

elaspedTime += deltaTime;
if(elapsedTime < 1/60)
  doNothing;
else
  runOneFrame();
  elapsedTime = 0

[weary root]

The closest we've come to TAS is some people slowing the timescale of the game and using that to get inputs correct, then speeding up the video to normal game speed

[harsh mason]

which technically unity does do, but only for physics

and only if the devs code their game correctly

[high kraken]

well im using libtas

would it be important for an all glitches tas?

is there a way to enforce a consistent framerate through a mod or smth?

[harsh mason]

all glitches is filled with framerate specific stuff

and yeah

its super easy to do

[normal aspen]

you'd at very least be capping fps

[harsh mason]

go to unityenginecore.dll

and replace all external gets for deltaTime with return 0.02f

[weary root]

Any% AG would be super boring to TAS anyway

[high kraken]

its fast to tas thats why i want to start with it

[harsh mason]

i dont think libtas works great with unity either way

but you only really need deltaTime to return a fixed value, and for number of fixed frames to run this frame to always be 1

[weary root]

Ignoring that framerate and inputs aren't reliable would there even be a way to reliably manip boss RNG?

[high kraken]

isnt there? its seeded based on system time and inputs so it should be right?

[normal aspen]

the one for panths broke on quitouts

and AG is like 80% menuing

[weary root]

I'm legitimately asking the question I have no idea

[harsh mason]

its probably reset when the game "reloads"

so unless your loads are fixed length

[high kraken]

ugh why

[harsh mason]

because its a shit coded game

[high kraken]

why hasnt it been fixed?

[harsh mason]

they dont give a shit

[weary root]

HK code = 🍝

[harsh mason]

it runs

[normal aspen]

coz being TASable isnt top of their priorities

and even if they did it would stil be broke on 1028

you could start with a KP IL or somethin ig

[jaunty anvil]

oops i forgot 2 link my run , can i has speedrun roll ? https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yd9eq7wz

[high kraken]

KP?

[jaunty anvil]

:>

[normal aspen]

king's pass

[high kraken]

which area is that

i have not

beaten the game

[normal aspen]

has a board on SRC and its 1 room and no quitouts

[high kraken]

dont judge me

[normal aspen]

literally first room

[jaunty anvil]

that is the start of the game b4 dirtmouf

[high kraken]

oh right yeah

[normal aspen]

has a lot of spots for nail turnaround tech

so it will at least be cool to runners

[harsh mason]

i mean just mod the game to make it work if you really care
you can patch the unity dlls to fix time keeping on any patch
you can mod the input handler with hooks to do inputs
you can mod to replace the prng with something with per entity seeds

i've already done 1 and 2

[high kraken]

wait the second one allows a tas to be made without the need for libtas right?

[harsh mason]

yes

[high kraken]

bruh

BRUH

[harsh mason]

it loads inputs from a text file

just like celeste

oh actually it needs game state detection to pause playback during random length loads actually

[high kraken]

okay okay wait, would it be possible to make an input editor?

how difficult would that be to do?

[harsh mason]

i mean you just fork the celeste one

the format is the same
4,R to hold right for 4 frames

[high kraken]

idk how to do that myself

i am not a coder

this allows many possibilities

[sleek jay]

is that mod able to manip the rng?

[normal aspen]

I think Katie was sayting its how you would mod it, not that the mod has been made

[sleek jay]

oh yes

[normal aspen]

I know SameUumuu is a thing

whuch set uumuu rng

[harsh mason]

i only have the first 2 done

[high kraken]

umu

[harsh mason]

although for somereason my tas src code is missing my input parser cs file

[sleek jay]

that would be good

[high kraken]

so are you in the process of making a tas tool?

[harsh mason]

its at the very bottom of my priorities

[sleek jay]

since it's a bit annoying to sync the movie using libtas

[high kraken]

oh :(

:((((((((((((((

is there anyone else thats interested in making it?

did you ask anyone in the modding community?

[normal aspen]

👉 #modding-discussion

If its something u wanna push for the modding channels are more likely to have interest

[high kraken]

okay

thanks

[normal aspen]

[high kraken]

would you be able to share your progress with people if i found someone interested in developing a tool?

[harsh mason]

sure

[high kraken]

sweet

[high kraken]

apparently libtas enforces constant framerate shouldnt that fix the issue?

[harsh mason]

did you try to make a tas with libtas

[high kraken]

not yet i asked in the tas discord

libtas discord

[sleek jay]

i have a completed tas

i finished it with libtas

[high kraken]

yes

god gamer

also you can manip prng with libtas i think

still would be better to have a native thing

[dapper kettle]

i really wish i had a capture card so i could record speedrun on switch

[granite field]

I think you can record your game screen with your phone pointed at it

As long as you've the entire screen and it's lisible enough, of course

(phone or any camera device btw)

[dapper kettle]

Thanks

[digital jewel]

game audio needs to be recorded as well

[visual palm]

Hello. I had a guide on https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides called the "Randomizer Speedrunning Guide". It has recently been deleted. Is there still a way to read it?

[thorn jasper]

I don't think so, but also feel free to send ?rank Randomizer Racer as a message to give yourself that role - you'll be able to talk about rando stuff in #randomizer

[digital jewel]

homothety may have backed it up if there was anything relevant in there

[visual palm]

Multiple people asked me where it went, so I guess it was somewhat useful XD

?rank Randomizer Racer

[sick raven]

@visual palm, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[frigid rapids]

rando has tremendously changed since the guide, so it might have been really outdated. Having a link to the more current guide could be a good call tho, yeah

[digital jewel]

guides page is not the best place for that info

I think all the important resources are pinned in #randomizer

[visual palm]

Ok, I'll go check there.

Thanks.

[frigid rapids]

Hollow Knight mods sounds like a good place for it to be

[digital jewel]

yeah maybe

[versed elbow]

Do you want capture card recommendations?

[dapper kettle]

I do have Christmas money

[versed elbow]

How much are you willing to put out for one?

[dapper kettle]

Low quality speedrun didn't work out could not line up phone

How do I even use a capture card?

[dapper kettle]

Around 50

Maybe 60

[harsh mason]

hdmi go into capture card

[digital jewel]

capture cards work as a splitter for your console output

[harsh mason]

hdmi from capture card go to pc

[digital jewel]

so you can play on a tv or monitor and have the output also go to your pc to be recorded

[versed elbow]

Katie summed it up pretty well.

[dapper kettle]

You just plug shit in

[harsh mason]

heres my good drawing

[versed elbow]

There a HDMI that goes into the capture card itself from your console. Them the card has a HDMI that goes into your TV. Then a USB that goes into your PC.

Katie, you're a wonderful artist.

[dapper kettle]

Lol

[versed elbow]

@dapper kettle look at the KeeQii capture card on Amazon. It's within your price range

[dapper kettle]

Do I get the big one or the little tiny one

[versed elbow]

It should be a larger one with the price $48.98

[dapper kettle]

There a ton of bad reviews

Should I get elgato?

[vocal dove]

if you have the money, ive had really good results with the elgato hd60

[stiff delta]

i have an elgato and it works really well

I think i have hd60 s but i cant remember off the top of my head, but if you have the money absolutely go for it

[twin swallow]

I've used the hd60 and found it to work fine, though I have no experience of other cards to compare it to

[obsidian fulcrum]

Hey was wondering if there is a way to downpatch Hollowknight for MacOS? Running on an old machine so think it might make it run faster

[dapper kettle]

Elgato goes for like 120 for normal one can't afford

On amazon

[digital jewel]

no downpatching won't make the game run better

actually the opposite

older patches were much less optimised

[stiff delta]

cp is way more optimized

[obsidian fulcrum]

cp?

[stiff delta]

current patch

[obsidian fulcrum]

ah

I get framerate drops when large enemies are on the screen even if theyre dead

[vocal dove]

yeah i tried running HK on a 2012 macbook pro and it just couldn't handle it, even with upgraded SSD and 16 gig ram

you're better off on switch at that point

[hollow mesa]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y9n3olrz <@&284848710960021504> can i have a blue name please

I also made a pastebin with the current 112 route if it's okay to be added to resources https://pastebin.com/1NMtLe28

Thanks mods

[hearty adder]

Can I get some feedback on my aspid arena (1221)? I always just hit the first aspid with the spike and I don't know if I'm too early or too late

[digital jewel]

your initial jump here is too early and then you delay hitting the spike too late

[hearty adder]

Got it, ty

[digital jewel]

do your first jump once you see the aspids appearing

buffer your 2nd jump before you hit the ground

for the timing of nail hitting the spike, I like to focus on the spike itself rather than looking at the knight

[limpid ruin]

I like lower plat bc it's just hop perfectly with float data based jump precision and then jump until far enough horizontallt and you win

[meager current]

hmm

[limpid ruin]

But main issue here was that you hit the spike way too late

Fun fact the nail hitbox goes waaaaaay higher so you can reach it at like half the distance

I actually think your jump timing was decent for optimal upperplat, maybe a bit off bc hard to judge, but that's just something you have to get a feeling for

[hearty adder]

Thank you both gonna keep grinding it

[limpid ruin]

Also stand a bit further back on the upper platform if you want to do the full jump, or else you'll land too far towards the middle of the spike plat

And then you can't start jumping up towards the spike in time to reach it early enough

(this is unironically one of the most complex/tight tricks in hk )

[meager current]

guys if obs starts with a laggy recording at the start and it decides to not record the title screen at the start is it fine if the run shows the title screen at the end of the run?

[digital jewel]

that would be rejected yea

[meager current]

there truly is no way to save my best run then

[harsh mason]

just pretend you did an ax2u

[dull hemlock]

I was told that I would find in pinned messages the command prompt for downpatching but I can't find it

[digital jewel]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

this guide is pinned

[dull hemlock]

Thanks!

[mighty rain]

should i submit my next run? i want to have like a good time before my first submit yknow?

[hearty adder]

If you're proud of your next run, then yes

[mighty rain]

I think i might then

[regal viper]

I've been practicing watchers and I can't beat then without Descending Dark, I haven't killed them once

[stiff delta]

They are a really tough fight

[regal viper]

They're driving me crazy

[carmine yew]

All Skills fights them with DDark 👀

[thorn jasper]

if you're on 1.2.2.1 there's a decent Shade Soul route for Any%

I can barely handle WK with just Vengeful Spirit

[regal viper]

I'm in console, sadly

I'll just practice more and more

[stiff delta]

All skills propaganda smh my head

[thorn jasper]

doubting the great and masterful pisces smh my head

[stiff delta]

And id do it again

[regal viper]

I actually really enjoy watching all skills , I will probably give it a shot after any%

Buut step by step is better

[mighty rain]

You want to hit, pogo, hit hit spirit

And the 2 hits and spirit are behind

@regal viper
A good way to "practice" is to get down to 1 knight and Just die, since thats probably the easiest part of the battle

When youre on console*

[dull hemlock]

hey guys, I've been getting a glitch where I am unable to attack until I rebind the key when I start a new run, does anyone know how to fix this

[mighty rain]

Do you have it binded on the menu options?

[dull hemlock]

yes

and when I check the menu when it's not working it's binded, but I have to unbind and rebind to make it work

[haughty fossil]

are you using mouse?

[dull hemlock]

yes

[haughty fossil]

1221 unbinds mouse inputs

[dull hemlock]

oh

[haughty fossil]

#resources message use blue.exe

rebinds mouse to some keystrokes, can't remember which off the top of my head

[dull hemlock]

How do I use it?

wait never mind, it's working

I just tried to click and it happened

is there a command I have to put in to turn it off

[haughty fossil]

closing the window disables it

[dull hemlock]

ok nice

thanks for the help

[regal viper]

Ok I'll try

Thanks so much

Btw I got a really weird glitch today in City of Tiers

[mighty rain]

I got soflocked in city of tears by taking a wrong move

[regal viper]

I hit the elevator on my way to kings station and suddenly the game went really slow

I activated the elevator and I started yo go down and then clipped through the floor

Is that known? I'm assuming it is a mayor glitch

[haughty fossil]

yes it is known, happens when the game doesn't properly track whether or not you're in the elevator

[regal viper]

Oh

That's cool

That would make my run not able to get in the leaderboard right?

[haughty fossil]

correct, that would not be accepted as NMG

NMG: https://pastebin.com/VtzvMpyW

[regal viper]

Okay

Thanks Jamie

[real flame]

after a month of no pracitce

[thorn jasper]

I see a gold Uumuu and THK are rude

[small magnet]

The rudest

[serene coral]

if you're desperate you can route shade soul into current patch, it's what i'm doing for the time being

just want to get some runs done without needing to grind WK a lot

[regal viper]

I'll give it a shot

[chilly bear]

Does someone know how to downpatch Hollow Knight?

[haughty fossil]

yes, there is a guide in the pins

[chilly bear]

It just says what patches I dont see anything on how to do it

[haughty fossil]

did you read the whole guide

[chilly bear]

What link is the guide?

nvm I was looking at the wrong pin

[mighty rain]

F

[obsidian fulcrum]

Any way of optimising HK as well as having all specs reduced to minimal?

[thorn jasper]

cap frame rate with something like rivatuner or the nvidia control panel (if you have an nvidia graphics card)

[small magnet]

Playing in windowed mode at a lower resolution can help significantly

[old sphinx]

When I was playing on my laptop I reduced the resolution and it helped a lot

(don't forget to disable vsync too)

[serene coral]

is the in-game fps cap not good or something?

[haughty fossil]

absolutely not, in game fps cap is cursed

[serene coral]

good to know

[paper geode]

I'm trying to make a modded practice installation of hollow knight and im confused on how to do it (im not understanding it). i dont understand how to copy hollow knight to allow me to play the modded practice version. im on mac. if anyone can help that would be very appreciated.

ive already downloaded the modding API

[haughty fossil]

do you have 2 separate installations of hk already?

[paper geode]

no that is what im trying to get but i dont want to mess it up

[haughty fossil]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[haughty fossil]

copy the Game Files folder and paste it somewhere else, then inside hollow_knight.app/ make a text file called steam_appid

[paper geode]

do i copy the app properties?

or package content

[haughty fossil]

copy the entire hollow_knight.app folder

[paper geode]

ok

what do i do with the steam_appid? do i put the number that fireb0rn puts in to his text thingy

[haughty fossil]

after that's done, edit steam_appid and paste in 367520

[paper geode]

ah ok

[haughty fossil]

then you can follow the steps to installing moddingapi on your separate install

[paper geode]

oh ok thx

do i put the modding API in the package contents of hollow_knight.app?

[haughty fossil]

iirc the managed folder on mac is <hollow knight>/Contents/Resources/Data/Managed

put the Assembly-CSharp.dll in there

[elder gale]

Btw im not gonna propably submit even that run but would my run get banned becouse I accidentally started invisible walk after hornet 2 becouse I had seen strat In runs and tryd to do it No practice causing to the major glitch. I just paniced and stopped when that happend and run is still bad. But yeah No big deal im gonna propably pb sooner or later and that pb is very slow

[stray kestrel]

all skills nmms peepoarrive

[elder gale]

Lol

[haughty fossil]

yeah, that is not NMG unfortunately, so your run would be rejected. a detailed post on hornet 2 early control can be found here #srcom-discussion message

[paper geode]

if i were to do a run of the game, cant i just turn off the mods from modinstaller or do i have to create a different game installation?

[gusty rune]

@mighty girder

[mighty girder]

Sup

[haughty fossil]

you must use an installation of the game without moddingapi

[paper geode]

ok

[haughty fossil]

are you using modinstaller2?

[paper geode]

yes

i had that

[haughty fossil]

yh afaik there is no way to disable moddingapi in that one, you can manually replace assembly-csharp.dll every time or (probably easier) just have 2 installs

[paper geode]

ok

ive uninstalled hollow knight and reinstalled it on steam to start over again and if i run into any problems along the way ill figure it out with the messages you have sent previously

[barren valve]

So, I'm running into an issue with 1221 (but has happen on cp) THK were the game itself lags horribly with a lot of frame skipping. With some cases even ending were the game completely hard locks my computer. My computer is fine and everything with the computer is reporting back there is now issues to cause the lag. Is there something that can be done to fix this THK lagging issue?

Also be sure to @ me as my attention is elsewhere at the moment

[carmine yew]

Are you using streamlabs OBS? @barren valve I’ve heard that gives people issues in the past

Also are you local recording while streaming

[barren valve]

yep to both of those

by the sound of it both of those things at the same time cause problems

[carmine yew]

Yes so I’ve heard

[barren valve]

Ok then. Thank you for the info Pisces 🙂

[jagged vault]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

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Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[stray kestrel]

Thundar, you could also try running the game with dx9 instead of the default dx11

i had the same problem when playing rando and that seemed to mostly fix it

[thorn jasper]

@barren valve ^

[dapper kettle]

Is it possible to do the queen station skip on switch

With 3 vengeful spirit

[hallow orchid]

yes

it's a very difficult skip though

[dapper kettle]

Do I launch all 3 at the peak of my jump or launch move forward a bit launch move forward a bit

[hallow orchid]

you move between them, it won't work if you fire all three at once

the main purpose of the fireballs is to reset your fall speed in that skip

one of the fireballs can be facing forward if you time them well enough, but you need at least 2 turnarounds

[dapper kettle]

Am I able to do a turnaround easily with a stick flick

[hallow orchid]

yeah it's not too hard with analog

I have done that skip on switch with a pro controller using analog

[dapper kettle]

I'm using pro controller rn

[hallow orchid]

it's tricky though, you need to practice the timing of turning around

again it's definitely one of the hardest fireball skips, and switch makes everything harder because the game runs at 60 fps

[dapper kettle]

Is it good to practice with abyss shriek before doing it with vengeful spirit

[stray kestrel]

shriek messes up the timings becasue it doesnt push you back and its animation is longer

[hallow orchid]

that can give you a sense of the timing for when to cast the spell but obviously won't help with the turnarounds. It's an easier skip with wraiths for sure

yeah actually shriek has an even longer animation than wraiths I think, so the timing may actually be thrown off worse

[dapper kettle]

Can't even do it with shriek

[hallow orchid]

Don't get discouraged, as I mentioned it's one of the hardest of these skips. I'd recommend learning the fireball skips in greenpath as a better starting point

Without debug mod it's hard to get quick practice in too

[dapper kettle]

Can't debug on switch

[stiff delta]

thats what hes saying

its hard to practice without debug

[strong vessel]

Does anybody know of any good speedrun timers for mac

I can't find any with an autosplitter or without loads

[dapper kettle]

Livesplit is decent

[digital jewel]

There aren't any with autosplitter or loadless

[dapper kettle]

Can't detect loading though

[strong vessel]

That's unfortunate

Similarly, am I able to downpatch on mac?

[sinful scarab]

downpatching works fine on linux, I assume it does as well on mac

someday there'll be a timer that's crossplatform

I hope

livesplitone works in browser but can't autosplit because browser, I think

[strong vessel]

Ok, thanks for the help

[jagged vault]

you cannot use the load time remover or autosplitter in the browser version, correct

[hollow mesa]

Like Lexi alluded to, if it works on Linux it’s incredibly likely to work on Mac, given they’re both Unix-like operating systems. If there isn’t a guide for Mac, the guide for Linux is an excellent start.

[jaunty anvil]

hello my runs got verified ! can i hav the speedrunner roll ? 🥺😎 https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yd9eq7wz

[normal aspen]

56th place

[jaunty anvil]

:3

[haughty fossil]

yooooo shoutouts

[jaunty anvil]

thanku jamie

[mighty girder]

yo what's up, I would like one serving of the speedruner role please

and also racer, if that's a role too

[jagged vault]

Post a link to your verified run and the srcom mods will give you the role!

For the racer role type ”?rank speedrun racer”

[mighty girder]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/mk786w5y

?rank speedrun racer

[sick raven]

@mighty girder, you joined Speedrun Racer.

[mighty girder]

noice

[jagged vault]

[mighty girder]

should i @ srcom people or should I not

[grizzled maple]

If no one notices soon then yeah. They might be busy but one at least is usually lurking

[mighty girder]

Nice, i'm blue now. Thanks!

[royal gorge]

?rank speedrun racer

[sick raven]

@royal gorge, you joined Speedrun Racer.

[knotty vigil]

Speedrun mods:
You're blue now, that's my special at-

[long lichen]

Hi all, just watching and starting to learn speedruns for this game. I notice that people always upslash when possible. Is this to eliminate knockback?

[knotty vigil]

basically. not getting knocked backwards and away from an objective is a timesave. that sounds very captain obvious im not tryna be condescending fjgdshfkgjh.

[long lichen]

Nah, I'm new and dumb, no worries. I will ask plenty of silly questions. My only SR experiece is ALttP randomizer racing.

Heck, I just learned overcharming is a thing 30 minutes ago.

[knotty vigil]

well if you need some help, im not super experienced but i know enough about any% to help get you started, or if your gonna do things like colloseum and pantheons, those are what i run xd

[long lichen]

I was actually planning on 112%. so I may take you up on that. Checking out the guides on speedrun now.

[stray kestrel]

there was a route pastebin uploaded here recently with i believe the most recent route, the one on srcom is fairly outdated, this pastebin is fairly up to date, i think there is one reroute that isnt in it #resources message

i know zenonira, xephros and mathulu all got new pb's within the past week in the category so once those get on the leaderboards, those will be high-level runs with current strats

[rotund jackal]

?rank speedrun racer

[sick raven]

@rotund jackal, you joined Speedrun Racer.

[limpid ruin]

Even just as a 112% runner I would recommend trying to watch fireb0rn's tutorial series for downpatched any% nmg (no major glitches). Its not a 1:1 application ofc, but he describes a lot of concepts and general information on doing runs, so if the format fits that's a good start regardless :3

[shut beacon]

whats a fast way to get geo in beast den for stag if i messed it up

[normal aspen]

Rocks

[digital jewel]

there are geo rocks to the right of herrah and just above the bench

[shut beacon]

ok ... how much do you get?

[digital jewel]

I think there's 70 geo in total?

[normal aspen]

There are ones right of herrah and like 3 passages above the bench

[shut beacon]

ill have to kill the devouts too then

[normal aspen]

When u get the herrah ones don't touch the crumble floor right next to them or you will lose a lot of the geo

[shut beacon]

cos i need 100

[digital jewel]

yes maybe you will have to kill some devouts

[shut beacon]

yeh .... im so anoyed this was my best run yet

[snow dome]

Fireborn's guide has backup rocks in beasts Den

[shut beacon]

and i messed up the geo

[snow dome]

Listed/pointed out

[shut beacon]

yeh ill take a look

[snow dome]

I did this three times in a run recently. Had to collect 50 for King's and about 50-70 for DV. Lost a solid 2 minutes.

[shut beacon]

oh so its not that big of a loss

Also... How do I get a run verified?

[snow dome]

Post it on speedrun dot com

The rules for speedruns are on there

Check both the game rules and category rules

[shut beacon]

Oh cool .... Thanks so much bro

[snow dome]

🙄

Not a man, pal

[knotty vigil]

screeches in gender queer

xd

[shut beacon]

soz

[knotty vigil]

Can you inventory fall with a ps4 contorller, because I can't seem to do it

[knotty vigil]

ok so i assume you're playing on current patch of the game?

Yeah

inv drops arehard but you should be able to inv drop, just have to find that timing.

Should I open it mid-air or jright before I fall?

in current patch you have to open it as you walk off a ledge, you cant open it middair

[normal aspen]

It's the physics frame before you walk off the ledge

[knotty vigil]

Ok thanks

[echo wagon]

Anyone around that can take a look at my failures at explosion pogo to provide some hints? 🙂

[low bramble]

ill take a look

[solid coral]

is KIll Quirrel% a thing

[low bramble]

no but kill myla% is a thing

great run

[jagged vault]

no aerto stop spreading lies

horrible run

[normal aspen]

Wtc

[solid coral]

genocide%?

[digital jewel]

kill quirrel% is basically kill myla%

[normal aspen]

Save Myla is unironically much worse

[low bramble]

all new runners should run myla%

[solid coral]

nah elegy% is much better

[forest latch]

You wanna bet

[fair island]

What is the 105% meme run. the rules only has an emoji

[rotund jackal]

A 106 run but you forget something

[grizzled maple]

It has to be a real 106 run yeah

[harsh mason]

does it

[limpid ruin]

What if you forget 2%s, is it edouble invalid then?

[harsh mason]

i feel like if you unironically did a 105% run

it should count

[twin swallow]

I don't see that in the rules

[grizzled maple]

Yeah its not listed but it would probably be rejected ozzSHRUG

I hate this stupid mobile doesnt do twitch emotes anymore

[limpid ruin]

Same. Even after multiple patches it's still not fixed

[steady lynx]

I like the idea of 105 having to be unintentional

[grizzled maple]

The joke about 105 for new people is ax was on sick pace and found out at the very end it was 105. So dreamshield became a meme and we stuck this on the board for real 106 runs that miss something

[steady lynx]

Still no 111% for when homothety forgets the godtuner

[grizzled maple]

My pb forgot the mask shard during flower but like... I did the section I just didn't get it lmao

[harsh mason]

yes but how do you enforce that

[grizzled maple]

Because if someone forgets something huge like colo 3 thats pretty obvious

[steady lynx]

"Oh no, I forgot to fight NKG"

[grizzled maple]

In my run I could've stopped once I realized I didn't get it, because the complete mask is the % but I did it in the spirit of 106

[leaden python]

you'd be surprized but you can unironically forget that when coming to 106 after 112

[grizzled maple]

Skurry definitely forgot godtuner his first 112 run lol

[leaden python]

ooff, yeah that is a sneaky one

[steady lynx]

I've heard of people forgetting to ascend seer

[granite field]

ascending seer is very unintuitive though

I didn't known it was a % until yesterday, to be honest

[grizzled maple]

Its the most common coming from TE. A lot of the runs on the 105 board forgot it

[thorn jasper]

you can start typing a : and then the name of the emote. it will bring up an autocomplete for you

[fair island]

She tells you to get her 2400 after you get awoken dream nail

[grizzled maple]

yeah slaurent but it used to just work by spelling like on desktop

< no colons

[granite field]

yeah I know, it's just hard to know it counts as a percent imo. Usually you'd get items/skills or boss kills etc. so that's kinda an exception

[thorn jasper]

yeah, it's like "okay that's a percent, but kingsoul -> void heart is not a percent".

[queen cliff]

SPEDRUN

[mild stratus]

My first 106 run def forgot seer. I wish I'd saved the vod since I think it'd have been 3rd in 105%. Its the most forgettable % for sure

[desert mason]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@desert mason, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[dusk portal]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@dusk portal, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[hearty adder]

Yeah, that happens lol

[broken crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yr-KmrY7XQ

[haughty fossil]

thanks i've never heard of these runners

[harsh mason]

its so sad fireb0rn isnt in this channel to advertise his own videos

also fuck you fireb0rn, i cant even spam spawning hwurmpU because emray banned me

[velvet dove]

Any tips for the dashless Queen's Station skip?

[harsh mason]

the triple fireball one?

space your fireballs out evenly

and practice

[mighty rain]

I messed up and didnt get sub hour