speedrunning

[pure vault]

idk for sure tho

[steady lynx]

I'm like 90% sure failing it loses time on console

[vocal dove]

shit.

i'm so tired of running on console

[steady lynx]

I'm mostly sick of mashing buttons for 23 seconds to skip the intro

[sonic crane]

ive done seer skip on cp a few times but i cant tell you what i do wrong the times i dont get it haha, its just randomly i get it

[steady lynx]

You win some, you lose some, 1432 has super free double spike kill and runs smoother, 1221 is better in every other way

[sonic crane]

dont forget bonus fun hk fight on 1432

[fervent kelp]

I'm here trying to do the isma's tear skip cdashless

[regal viper]

I was actually thinking about why I'm doing double spike kill that consistently lol

I guess I'm not a god gamer

[steady lynx]

It's extremely free on cp

[regal viper]

Yeah

[steady lynx]

It's so free so even I can do it

[vocal dove]

so free that i miss it 20% of the time because the left one spawns slow sometimes

[thorn jasper]

yeah it becomes incredibly not-free when the aspids decide to spawn two whole team cherry games apart

[regal viper]

At least the game runs smooth

[steady lynx]

Nah, we're on switch, runs like Gen 7 Pokemon games on a standard 3DS

[regal viper]

Truer

[steady lynx]

Oh, pg, gotta fix that

[hollow mesa]

Oh yeah, @steady lynx did you beat your 112% PS4 time yesterday?

[steady lynx]

I tried but died in Beast's Den so just submitted the initial playthrough as a run

[hollow mesa]

rip

but hey wr is wr lol

[steady lynx]

Somehow still like half of the current WR anyway

[hollow mesa]

Just think, you have a wr run that unlocks godseeker mode during the run

[steady lynx]

It also got 3/4 of the achievements

trophies*

[fervent kelp]

meanwhile I'm here practicing content strats lol

[hollow mesa]

I'm still kind of salty that completing hunter's journal is somehow a broze trophy

[vocal dove]

throwing for content

[fervent kelp]

my tourney strat Pmuch

[steady lynx]

I don't see it as a real WR until I finish a run I intend on being a 112 run from the start though, feels a bit meh

[hollow mesa]

That's completely fair

Your current wr is more of a meme wr than anything

[steady lynx]

At least I have the splits from the initial one now to compare against

It's like the worst run that qualifies as a WR

[hollow mesa]

if it makes you feel any better, i know we kind of talked about zfg on stream but basically every pb of his in 2020 was a run like that

[steady lynx]

Except some pantheon fights were kinda good

[hollow mesa]

p4 pure vessel was pretty monkaS

[steady lynx]

Hey, I made up for that with the damageless P5 PV

[hollow mesa]

truuuuu

floorless markoth was pretty cursed, though. your zote was really good following it, though

[rugged walrus]

Hey all. Question for you. What are the major differences between current patch and 1.2.2.1 in the context of speedrunning?

[steady lynx]

I killed every boss without dying so I don't see any issue

[hollow mesa]

Inventory drops are much more difficult to pull off, and a few lever skips were patched out

[steady lynx]

Except that I messed up FC in base game and had to fight him twice

[carmine yew]

Inventory drops are more difficult, explosion pogo is more difficult, lever skips no longer exist, thk is faster, uumuu doesn't get stuck in walls

etc etc

there's a lot of little differences

routes sometimes change a lot

depending on the category

[rugged walrus]

interesting, thanks for the answer 🙂

[carmine yew]

but running on current patch is perfectly valid if you are interested in that

[short matrix]

Livesplit question: The timer keeps running when my game is paused. I thought choosing "game time" would prevent that, but maybe there are other settings I don't have configured right?

[rugged walrus]

gotcha

[carmine yew]

The timer is meant to continue running when your game is paused

[rugged walrus]

is using a controller viable for high level speedrunning or is keyboard pretty much only way to go?

[hollow mesa]

cp is generally best for console runs, 112% and I think All Skills. Most all other categories go with 1221 as pisces said

[carmine yew]

controller is used as much as keyboard

[hollow mesa]

and yeah, controller is viable

[carmine yew]

current any% wr holder uses controller

[stiff delta]

cp is the only thing you can use for console runs

[rugged walrus]

i see, thanks again 🙂

[short matrix]

I'm a casual player, I want to be able to get up for a beer during my game, etc. is there nothing I can do to change this behaviour?

[stiff delta]

have a beer at the ready or just dont get one

[carmine yew]

that's just the nature of speedrunning, dont know what to tell you

you can manually pause the timer if you'd like

[hollow mesa]

the timer pauses during load screens. if you're playing casually and timing yourself, set a global hotkey for pause

[pure vault]

sprint to the fridge during dreamer cutscenes lol

[thorn jasper]

Assuming you don't care about having "valid" runs on the leaderboard

[stiff delta]

get the load extender normalizer thing and set loads to 2 minutes long

[short matrix]

correct, these times are just for me

[thorn jasper]

Pausing the livesplit timer itself sounds like the best option then

[short matrix]

Hmm, maybe I'll just set "Esc" as the livesplit pause shortcut

[charred sigil]

if you're on 1221 and planning on inventory dropping into kings pass

well

i guess it wouldn't matter if you don't mind a few milliseconds missing

[granite field]

Join us on 4ms CP you'll have 10 years waiting after each resets

And a lot of resets

easy beer

[twin swallow]

run 1xx% categories and get your beer whilst waiting for grubfather rewards

[steady lynx]

That's the bathroom break

[pure vault]

run 1xx% categories and get your beer whilst waiting for grubfather rewards never get a run to grubfather

so get the beer on resets lol

[frail beacon]

where is the 2x hit for Shadesoul lineup for Radience and Forgotten Champ? or is there one?

[steady lynx]

You're gonna need it

[grizzled maple]

Have you met my good friend Soul Sanctum

[hollow mesa]

Just don't forget to grab the mask shard 😦 had a run die to that lol

[steady lynx]

I just grab the shard and then take a break tbh

[pure vault]

every run that has a good sanctum 1 and sanctum 2 now has all this pressure because it's like, when tf is this gonna happen again lmao

[jagged vault]

failed champ gets doubled if you hit as he smacjs the ground with his hammer

this is because his hammer has a hitbox of itself

[hollow mesa]

soul sanctum is where all good things go to die 😦

[pure vault]

yea like my opinion that this is a 10/10 game

[steady lynx]

Very nice since False Knight doesn't have a hitbox on the club

Consistency

[jagged vault]

oh does he not?

[grizzled maple]

for the relay i kinda hope that a newer runner gets sanctum just because i know they'll take it a lot safer than experienced 1xx runners

we rush in head first and die

[jagged vault]

radiance gets doubled if you are far enough away and hit anything more than a bit of her body

[steady lynx]

Xero gets tripled if he exists and you use Shade Soul

[frail beacon]

gotcha

[jagged vault]

i recommend you watch how True Ending NMG runs do the fight to get help with what it looks like

*fights

[pure vault]

uh

I have bad news for you

my FC in the WR is trash af lmao

[frail beacon]

yea, since i finished 1 run of TE on switch i've made it to godhome to practice bosses and i'm trying to understand better fight strategies

[pure vault]

everything went wrong

[hollow mesa]

FC is trash everywhere except pantheons so it just kind of is

[grizzled maple]

Xero gets tripled if he exists and you use Shade Soul

[steady lynx]

phase 1 of TE FC is a mess

[jagged vault]

it's something that you get the feel for, so don't worry if yyou're getting it wrong at the beginning!

[frail beacon]

yea, i have adapted the used of the dream nail to get soul as fast as i can

[jagged vault]

[frail beacon]

usually i get 1 or two additional shots

[pure vault]

nah FC can be good if you get all doubles phase 1 and are in rhythm

I just wasn't in the rekky

[jagged vault]

yeah failed champ can be very seamless

[pure vault]

otherwise the fight is pretty easy for me

[hollow mesa]

@frail beacon watching MonStahLer's pantheon runs on YouTube can be very insightful, too.

[frail beacon]

yea, im not worried about not getting it first try. i know this is a tougher speedrun from my usual games

[hollow mesa]

Then again, just watching MonStah is insightful

[jagged vault]

pickle monstah doesn't use shade soul too much in panths

[steady lynx]

I've stolen borrowed a lot of strats I saw Monstah use on bosses

[jagged vault]

other damage sources outshine shade soul for those fights at that point

[thorn jasper]

Built-in timesave for next wr

[pure vault]

TE is also pretty notorious for being one of the hardest main categories to run in HK

[jagged vault]

i started doing a tiny hop on the triples after seeing em do it and honestly the timing feels 10 times better for me

[frail beacon]

i find the challenge fun

[pure vault]

nah that's the missed explosion pogo lol

[jagged vault]

it is a very fun run though

[frail beacon]

especially on Switch haha

[jagged vault]

definitely my favorite category

[frail beacon]

my main goal is trying to get sub 2 at the very least

[steady lynx]

I wanna get back to TE on switch and PS4 later this year, feel like I can take them

I've even practiced TE LK

[vocal dove]

aye i'll be there with ya gusten

[steady lynx]

Main difference is that I can't spam dive

[vocal dove]

hopefully picking TE up too

[steady lynx]

I heard Trombon also wanted to pick up switch TE

[frail beacon]

the real tough part rn is just not getting hit along the way to the bosses

[steady lynx]

Imho, it might be the least optimised switch category

[pure vault]

either that or console 112

[grizzled maple]

console 112 is pretty solid, but could be much better. I got that pb immediately after my 3:29

[pure vault]

yea I just meant it's a 3+ hour run

gonna be much harder to have it optimized

[steady lynx]

I'm getting there with 112, it's a hard category to learn

[frail beacon]

CP TE on console is not optimized?

interesting...

[pure vault]

nothing in this game is "optimized"

[grizzled maple]

none of the console runs are optimized like pc

[frail beacon]

true

[pure vault]

no one has maxed out any category

because the odds of all the rng plus perfect gameplay is just near impossible

[frail beacon]

is this due to just PC being easier and nicer to run due to variety and reliability?

[jagged vault]

less runners often leads to less optimization

[steady lynx]

Even any% nmg isn't fully optimized

[grizzled maple]

very few top pc runners have run console and the ones who have didnt put much effort into it. The current top console runners have really only run console and put a lot of work into it

[jagged vault]

not that any PC category is fully optimised either

[limpid ruin]

sanctum is safer the less dilly-dallying you do, cmm 😤

[pure vault]

yea I was saying any category on PC or console

nothing in HK speedrunning is optimized aside from maybe PoP ILs

everything has room for improvement

which is the fun part

[steady lynx]

I mostly meant that console TE currently is furthest from optimised of the console categories

[pure vault]

yea I was saying I think 112 could be in the convo just because it's so long that inevitably things will go wrong

but maybe TE is farther idk

I already know how hard 106 is to optimize and that doesn't have to do p1-5

[grizzled maple]

Part of why I like 1xx and TE is because they feel like theres a lot to constantly improve on. Any% isn't too far off from optimized so running it at a high level is much more stressful to me.

[pure vault]

em that's partially why I dislike Any% and AS

AS because every tiny boss rng fucking me just feels so bad

[frail beacon]

ah ok

[grizzled maple]

it's why i used to like AS

[jagged vault]

i really like TE because of the hype buildup

[frail beacon]

im not much for routing, but i do like to help whenever i have the skills to be useful

[steady lynx]

Console 112 is like four and a half hours currently, but closer to 4:20 is very possible

[jagged vault]

also it's just a fun run and a fun challenge

[pure vault]

I've had a bunch of WRs in this game and I don't do ANY routing lol

some people are just good at different stuff

[grizzled maple]

^

[pure vault]

I suck at routing, just tell me what to do and I'll do it lol

(or continue not doing it because I don't like the strat)

[grizzled maple]

i am in this post and i dont like it

[steady lynx]

Imagine if I could get switch 112 down to like 4:20:69 some day

[frail beacon]

same

[granite field]

when you have to deal with many bosses in a run you would almost always have room to optimize in my opinion. I think It's too rare to get optimal (or even good) RNG on all bosses combined

[steady lynx]

My main goal is just 4:25 for now though

[hollow mesa]

^

[jagged vault]

i'm only good at routing when it's a new category (which translates to i suck at routing but i think i'm slightly less bad because when i route i'm the only one of 3 people to run something and if the other people wanted to they could crush my route)

jokes aside routing is really fun to be

[hollow mesa]

even my p4 pb is like 45 faster than my second best because i got a good no eyes

[jagged vault]

*me

[frail beacon]

ok, thanks for the info on the 2x hammer hit on FC

[steady lynx]

Honestly, is there any runner who doesn't hate Elder Hu at least a bit?

[frail beacon]

now my strat is less "psychotic aggression" and more "notice when its hammer time and shoot"

[hollow mesa]

elder hu just makes me mad lol

[frail beacon]

i always feel goofy when i get pancaked

oh also may i get the Speedrunner tag, please? <@&283547423706447872>

[charred sigil]

can you link your run

[stiff delta]

wrong mods

[ionic sparrow]

do you have a run submitted on src?

[frail beacon]

might be easier to talk in specific categories

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/ylov40ry

thank you so much!

[thorn jasper]

ylov40ry you love it, rly

[frail beacon]

hahaha

perfect

[jagged vault]

Alex get the cute ducks

[frail beacon]

now i can never post a new run

[jagged vault]

it's time

[frail beacon]

i have peaked clearly

[steady lynx]

[hollow mesa]

I'm just waiting for my p4 run to be verified lol

[granite field]

New blue name

[fervent kelp]

I'm here trying to acid pool without cdash

it's pain

but I need to learn it to do the content speedruns :L

[hollow mesa]

I'll donate during your swag strat gdq run lol

[fervent kelp]

bestgirl% at gdq we need this to happen now

[hollow mesa]

Myla%

[deft flame]

i actually really like bestgirl% route

[fervent kelp]

that's bestgirl% yes, with the hardest acid pool skip imo

[deft flame]

wait i dont really remember this skip, which one is it?

i know the monarch wings shade skip and isma's tear spike tunnel

[fervent kelp]

the isma's tear skip with no cdash

[stiff delta]

correct me if im wrong but you dont do that during myla%

[deft flame]

pretty sure that is a different category

[stiff delta]

ah

[deft flame]

bestgirl% is not having myla getting infected

[stiff delta]

lame

myla deserves pain

[thorn jasper]

[haughty fossil]

bestgirl% actually has several routes

[deft flame]

ohhhh i see

i've only seen ins0mnia doing it

[steady lynx]

bestgirl% spelless when?

[hollow mesa]

the real question is when does bestgirl% just become low%

[haughty fossil]

that actually seems close to impossible but now that i think about it nothing expliticly blocks you from progressing

bestgirl% replaces cdash with isma's

[steady lynx]

That'd be a very cursed spike tunnel

[fervent kelp]

yup

saving Myla requires the most cursed of things

[deft flame]

you have to put in the effort to save best girl

[hollow mesa]

but it'd still make for a great gdq run lol

[haughty fossil]

insomnia's route: pick up wings from basin, pick up spell twister, do mag skip but it's easier because extra fireball
tas route: same as insomnias but without getting spell twister
my route: kill dung defender before/after getting wings

[fervent kelp]

I'm talking about mag skip btw

[haughty fossil]

mag skip isn't too bad w/ spell twister

[fervent kelp]

hmmm

4 fireballs...

[haughty fossil]

still not doing it because im bad but insomnia has it consistent

[limpid ruin]

Why kill dung defender if you're not on gonna get cdash anyway

[steady lynx]

spelless, chdashless Isma's just seems too cursed

[limpid ruin]

Nah, just get isma's tear for the skip, easy

[steady lynx]

Maybe if you beat Hornet, get shade cloak and sharp shadow

[haughty fossil]

you kill dung defender to avoid the acid skip thats cursed

[fervent kelp]

spellless mag skip is physically impossible

[worthy sluice]

So there is no hope...

[granite field]

what is mag skip exactly?

[worthy sluice]

How about i try to grind it for like hours to prove you nerds wrong

[jagged vault]

magolor ismas is doing ismas tear without cdash or dung defender

[grizzled maple]

there's several mag skips. magalor was a skip hunter back in the day

theyre named after them

[granite field]

Oh cool, thanks for info

[haughty fossil]

insomnia has already done isma's mag skip single segment

[dry sluice]

I've also done the thorns one, idk if there are any left that haven't been

[haughty fossil]

but it's so hard to get that it's honestly better to just pick up spell twister and make it free

[steady lynx]

Might just barely be possible with everything

[short spire]

free

[haughty fossil]

sorry

not technically impossible

[grizzled maple]

when talking about mag skips free = not technically possible is implied

[worthy sluice]

Im legit directing my bio at shaded

[normal aspen]

relatively speaking spell twister makes it free

With twister and the modified way of doing it I found the third bit is easier than QS FB skip

The first bit still sucks tho

[fervent kelp]

Meanwhile here I am, having less problems with the first bit than the 3rd but :L

Bit

[fervent dock]

Yooooooo

My 58 got verified

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zgxgo8vm

[fervent kelp]

AYYY!

[swift ore]

I wish they had a menderbug % page. I'm obsessed with that right now.

[jagged vault]

there is one

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/Kings_Pass#Any

[haughty fossil]

Category extensions > Individual Levels > King's Pass > NG + RNG

[jagged vault]

go under NG + RNG

[swift ore]

thank you very much, I thought I was the only one

[jagged vault]

not everyone has their times submitted though

since the boards are very new

[swift ore]

Oh, I'm in the new patch, got a 1:46.43. I have attempted a few 1.2 runs, but the 2% hasn't happened yet

[ashen wagon]

Im softlocking at the bench at ancestral mound after quiting to menu and going back

Anybody knows anything?

I cant move from here

[stuck raptor]

Gog version? After downpatching? No mods?

[ashen wagon]

No mods, after downpatching

[stuck raptor]

Windows? Gog version? Or steam

[ashen wagon]

On windows yeah

[stuck raptor]

Gog version or steam

This is something that happens to me every time I downpatched my gog version. You can fix it by following the guide instructions to delete your registry files

[cursive linden]

not sure if this applies but i am trying to get the sub 5 hour achievement. what is the best route I can take to get that done?

[grizzled maple]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[grizzled maple]

^

[cursive linden]

ok sry. also ty!

[grizzled maple]

nah youre good. i just did the command for the link

[ashen wagon]

Thanks for the help! Ill try out what you say

[jaunty anvil]

is using a higher hertz rate good for running this game it feels like when i switched from 60 to 144 it is making me drop inputs (idk shit about computers so it might b a placebo but i figured i'd ask anyways)

[stuck raptor]

Higher frame rate will make you drop less inputs

[jaunty anvil]

does hertz rate just up the frames ?

[stuck raptor]

Not if your gpu can't manage it

Or if your settings are wrong

[jaunty anvil]

i see

[stuck raptor]

Hz of monitors is just displaying frames that your gpu outputs

[jaunty anvil]

right , so there is no harm in upping my hz ?

[stuck raptor]

No

[jaunty anvil]

phew , thanks so much !

[stuck raptor]

Just price

[median gull]

cp epogo is impossible but everything else is fine

[jaunty anvil]

hm are u talking about hz @median gull ?

[haughty fossil]

there is a trick that "requires" 60 hertz on current patch, you use vsync to limit your game's framerate to the refresh rate of your display, which does weird stuff to make the trick work.

there are alternate, but harder, tricks for 144Hz vsync and no vsync however

[jaunty anvil]

ohhh like the emray vid spore pogo ?

can u still do the one w the dash ?

hehehe this is funny that u bring it up cuz im just practising now in debug

[haughty fossil]

the emray video does require 60hz

[jaunty anvil]

yeah ik but how about the

like this 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jVHy8ZS640&t=0s&ab_channel=SquamishObscurities

[grizzled maple]

yeah that one is actually hard

[haughty fossil]

that one does not require vsync

but is very hard to learn

[jaunty anvil]

hmm well i guess i will try

[steady lynx]

Well, if it doesn't work just ask for emray's video on it

[grizzled maple]

The damage boost version is very easy if you know what youre looking for. The only hard part to figure out is when to actually jump.

[jaunty anvil]

mmm

[steady lynx]

You kinda get a sense of when to jump after a bit

[jaunty anvil]

yeah

[steady lynx]

I really pushed learning it for too long

Next on my list to get down is Fury Soul Master and Basin jump

[jaunty anvil]

well i praccy for abit , im prolly gnna move to 1221 after i get a time in CP that im proud of so then i can learn that n yea

basin jump is swaggers

what catagory is fury soul master ?

[steady lynx]

112

[jaunty anvil]

ah yeah makes sense

[steady lynx]

My favourite category that I hate

[jaunty anvil]

yeah it seems spooky haha]

i want 2 run it someday

but im not yet worthy !!!!

[steady lynx]

It's mostly the entire start up to after sanctum being meh

[jaunty anvil]

maybe pure 112 , maybe

[haughty fossil]

visual cue

this works for me, might not for others

[jaunty anvil]

this is the emray pogo not the bounce pogo ?

[grizzled maple]

You wanna aim to hit the spore when it is about to wobble and turn green. So I just personally have a feel for when that should be

[jaunty anvil]

yeah

[grizzled maple]

The one people call emray pogo is the cp damage tank version because we knew it was possible but I scienced it out and found it worked for pc

[jaunty anvil]

i feel like using the audio might b good ?

[steady lynx]

90% of the stuff in this game i have no idea how exactly i time it, it's just a feel

[jaunty anvil]

I DI RIEGHBU#4 t

i did the fuckn !!

dash pogo damageless like 6th try

actaully poggiingg

[stiff delta]

Good for you

[jaunty anvil]

i did it again !

[stiff delta]

Nice!

[jaunty anvil]

sorry i dont mean 2 come across as snarky or smthn

i just

:)

[vocal dove]

does anyone play on a macbook pro?

[vocal dove]

i'll let you guys know how it goes lol

[analog monolith]

cp damage tank really isn't too hard

cp damageless is much harder to get consistent

[slate wind]

Is a 40 minute || hornet || good for a first time speed run

[median gull]

You don't have to spoiler anything here. If that 40m hornet beat your goal, yes.

If you didn't have a goal, now you have for your next run

[slate wind]

Okay

Just wondering what’s your average hornet time

[raven holly]

It depends on your skill level

[median gull]

8:1x as my avg on current patch?

I'm not sure

It's been a while since I don't run aluba%

and I don't run any main category

actually, low 8:0x (high 7:5x) should be more precise

[raven holly]

Once you get to the higher up runners it's usually between 7:4x and 8:0x

[stiff delta]

Just you do you b

[limpid ruin]

Your average times will go down tons with practice and experience

I started out literally not making it to hornet

[normal aspen]

@median gull any nmms

[median gull]

oh yea

that's a main cat

idk, 4m for hornet 1?

I need to learn past lurien but studies are consuming so much time

[limpid ruin]

Now last week I got a couple 8:0x mothwing cloak splits, which is pretty decent improvement (avg around 8:3x bc Im still not consistent enough for my own goals)

[normal aspen]

I got one 7:5x but yeah 8:0x for all skills is about where I try and hit on avg

[median gull]

somni, 1221 or cp?

im just a bit confused

[normal aspen]

1221

I dont keep track of times in meme cats

fr tho <10 runs isnt really much to go off of for CP AS

[median gull]

Actually, my hornet time might be a bit off on average since I ran an 8 min category, so pretty much any mistake was a reset

[limpid ruin]

I think good time for cp main cats is like 8:10?

[median gull]

what do you mean by "good time"?

[limpid ruin]

Who even knows 🥴

[median gull]

7:50 to 8:05 should be a good time if you are running for top 3

[limpid ruin]

Ah okay, that was what I meant I think

[normal aspen]

top 3 in what?

[median gull]

any% cp

I kinda want to change that 8:05 to 8:00 but I can't say much about it

[limpid ruin]

Considering how much timesave is later I'd say no point

Also

[normal aspen]

i mean no point grinding for an 8:0x mwc if ur losing 20s in qg

[median gull]

oh yea

[slate wind]

Oof so I got a lot of practice till I’m going to be anywhere’s near y’all

[median gull]

I was just answering the "good time" question

[fervent dock]

What's a mwc for 1.2.2.1

[slate wind]

I know

[fervent dock]

*Good

[slate wind]

It’s impressive that you have a 4 minute hornet

[median gull]

oh lmao that's on glitched category

[limpid ruin]

Why the heck do we care so much about the parts with the objectively least amount of complexity or timeloss to that, when dash movement is so much more important considering that will literally lose you seconds in a straight hallway if you're not good enough

[median gull]

Cause good or bad early game changes a lot your mentality during the run

(also I only run short cat so any mistake is over)

[slate wind]

Oh I’m doing a no glitch steel soul run

[limpid ruin]

For wr chasing any% nmg: 7:3x-low 7:4x, all skills 7:4x-low 7:5x

I know it affects mentality for the run

But still objectively a bad focus (that I'm very guilty of myself 🥴)

[normal aspen]

restn't = serotonin

Almost every mid level runner that plateaus has a really good early game

[limpid ruin]

But also: wr is achievable in both with "bad" mwc times

Imagine having a good early game 🥴

[normal aspen]

im plateau proof copz my early game is garbo

[limpid ruin]

That's not even the fun movement 😤

[normal aspen]

(so is my mid and late game)

[twin swallow]

How can you feel the rush of a great comeback if you're not 30 seconds down at claw

[deft flame]

im mostly good at beating CP THK now but beating him actually fast is still so hard 🥴

[limpid ruin]

Bc timeloss is even easier when I choke other stuff later

[normal aspen]

I feel like all of my best pbs have a trash early game

Then just green and gold late

[limpid ruin]

Most of my PBs are me just giving up on playing to the standard I want and just finishing a run for once instead

[wheat orbit]

So I just finished my first run ever, but livesplit decided to be weirda and all the splits are shifted up for some reason, can I still submit the run?

[median gull]

If your timer worked fine when thk died, yes

[wheat orbit]

Yeah I think timer worked fine there

[median gull]

I don't think that counts as working fine but I guess we can wait to a src mod to confirm this

[wheat orbit]

Eh, I'll just wait on it

Submit a better run

[ionic sparrow]

if the timer succesfully autosplit after you killed thk its fine

we can take igt from livesplit from that

[wheat orbit]

Yeah the timer stopped automatically after thk

[ionic sparrow]

then thats fine yeah

[wheat orbit]

Thanks, I might still hold off because there were a lot of shenanigans on that run

[ionic sparrow]

the splits messed up because there was something not correctly set up in the autosplitter

[wheat orbit]

Maybe, I failed qga and went the other way

that might have messed it up

[stray kestrel]

yea if you have ordered splits on, not going to qg will not progress your timer

if that happens you'd probably want to skip that split in livesplit

by default the bind is 2 on your keyboard

[pastel mortar]

huh?

insomnia?

[normal aspen]

cool jump

may be faster? I'm bad but looks it in theory

u can dash a lot closer to the wall too to minimise the back track

looking at comsob the previous dash may? put you too far left

[frigid rapids]

That's a good question. The critical part there is to be above the ledge so in principle it could be faster

[normal aspen]

yeah u can dash into the wall from like 1mm away and it still seems to work

as long as ur high enough when u do the dash

[frigid rapids]

Idk what comsob does, but when we did some room ILs this was the fastest I got https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/290932216781864960/794552869357092874/last_room_to_distant_village_1185.mp4

[normal aspen]

oh so that looks like a good position for it

[frigid rapids]

Yeah

[stark stream]

wtf is livesplit doing

waittt!

it triggers splits if they happened at all nvm

[knotty vigil]

Can anyone help me please i just depatched hollow knight to 1221 an when i start a new run i can't attack can someone tell me whats wrong?

[verbal stag]

are you using mouse?

[turbid crystal]

Anyone can explain how I get wall cling storage in this? maybe speedrun gods could explain how i got this about 10 times in a row

[snow dome]

Because you drop off the wall and don't jump off it

Possibly doesn't help that you were between two objects at the time

[grand spindle]

can I upload a speedrun of 4 hours and get the role?

[naive socket]

can i upload my speedrun of 2 minutes, nu cheats, i promise

[rancid cargo]

i did 1 milisecond

[naive socket]

oh my god

u are a god gemar

i did half a milisecond nub

[harsh mason]

#hk-meme

[grand spindle]

??

[harsh mason]

yes you can

[naive socket]

ies u cen

[grand spindle]

OK THENK U

[naive socket]

ur welcome

no

me gud

[harsh mason]

its not even your

stop spamming

[naive socket]

ok , man i will try

[abstract shore]

Oh this person again

[stark stream]

no it has to be at least five hours to upload, i think

it was 4, but standards have been lowered after observing the average speedrunner

[turbid crystal]

Dropping off the wall gives cling? huuh

never knew

ight thanks

[median gull]

Yea, there are some weird spots that gives you wcs in impossible birthplace

that's one of them

[stark stream]

idk how i can do a backhalf run like five times, defeat the hecker knights five times in a row, and then die three times on a full run

tis a mystery

[oak oyster]

For the all skills NMG category is isma’s tear considered a skill?

[jagged vault]

yes

[fluid pawn]

Howdy,

For someone looking to learn any% nmg, what would be the best resource to start from? I know some tutorial series have been made, but I'd like to ask y'all's opinion on what's most reasonable/updated to take from.

For reference, I am comfortable taking a bit of a deep dive past beginner routing into more intermediate/advanced by just being a grind monkey until I make it viable. I'm just clueless on where to start

[oak oyster]

thanks! :)

[low bramble]

its also a charm <- this is a joke

[jagged vault]

the optimal way to get it is to use a set of skips that avoids having to defead dung defender

[low bramble]

Fireborn has a great guide that I followed to learn it

[grizzled maple]

Fire has the most up to date and detailed guide

[jagged vault]

yeah, fire's guide series is a very good resource

[granite field]

You would also get Dash Slash to avoid the soul warrior to get the Shade soul, by lever skip

On 1221 (responding to all skills boss skip topic)

[low bramble]

oh yea are you tying to learn 1221 or current patchy profnyan

[fluid pawn]

1221

[low bramble]

then yeah fire's guide is the best

[steady lynx]

Fire's guide also has the plus of being made by a god gamer

[fluid pawn]

alright, thanks everyone. Pretty solid consensus here so I'm betting it's good :)

[jagged vault]

good luck learning nyan!

[oak oyster]

good luck!!

[fluid pawn]

thanks y'all. I don't think I'll be diving into it immediately since I have a goal I'd like to meet in another speedgame first, but I'll definitely be interested on the side.

[oak oyster]

Oh and is there any way I can repeat specific segments of the game (e.g. watcher knights) in order to practice that part without having to start a whole new save file?

[jagged vault]

you might want to set up a separate download of the game with the debug mod

you can use it to give yourself items and set savestates that you can warp back to

[digital jewel]

debug mod is great for practicing. you can set a savestate before a boss and return to it as many times as you like

[jagged vault]

and use that in combination with practice save files that are available for download on speedrun.com

[stark stream]

is there a consistent way to not hit any enemies in the longfall for crossroads?

[meager current]

nope, you just gotta get lucky

[stark stream]

I seem to either get hit 0 times otw down or get hit four times

[jagged vault]

nope unfortunately

[stark stream]

alright

[jagged vault]

you can lower your chances

but not eliminate them entirely

[stark stream]

legit just died on it

[twin swallow]

The room just sucks

[meager current]

so you know the update for livesplit?

[limpid ruin]

If you drop as far to the right on right-side drop you often won't get hit

It's not consistent but as close as we get

[meager current]

im trying to update livesplit but the bar gets stuck empty

[hearty adder]

I'm practicing All Skills right now and can confirm I'm a Crystal Peaks/Crystallized Mound hater

I'd never put much thought into movement at Crystal Peaks because I'm used to any% where I just s&q and don't have to worry about hp

[drowsy tangle]

i have a routing for peaks that is much safer and easier for beginners. First off make sure to hit the lever in resting grounds in the room under Xero after going through blue lake. Then when you come to peaks, take that bench located in the room right from the first real crystal peaks room, then walk back and do normal route, you don't have to worry much about health because you s/q to that bench, go up from there and BAM you're on track again (make sure to use one dash slash in this room or the upcoming Ddark glitch will not work, because of some weird TeamCherry-lazy-coding). Also after dream nail you do not s/q instead you walk down like you do in any% nmg, and walk to Lurien. doesn't lose much time.

TL:DR... eh there is no tldr just read it lol

[vague jolt]

I did something a bit like this when I did my 0 geo run because the dark room is scary. Have you bought the King's Stag at that point in All Skills? If so then it's probably faster to stag there from Resting Grounds (for free) right?

[drowsy tangle]

ah yes scared to lose your geo? jk. Also yes King's station is unlocked so you're probably right about that(!!!!!!)

not even probably, rather very surely right about that!

which also saves like 2 s from not hitting the lever as well but that's minor timesave lol

[vague jolt]

Yeah I mean you have to waste 2s hitting the rg stag lever so it balances out 😛

[drowsy tangle]

ye, about that do you think it's best to hit it then go out-in of room or waiting for the animation? probably first

about the stag lever ^

[vague jolt]

Oh uhh

IDK about that one lmao

[drowsy tangle]

ok nw :)

[carmine yew]

Definitely just wait in the room

Transition is too far away

[vocal dove]

if anyone was curious, the game DOES work on a 2012 macbook pro wit upgraded hardware

would i run on it? ..... no

[elder gale]

i sthat basin skip supposed to be hard

ive heard people had problems with it and i just was learni ng whole movement to all skilss and watched wr do it and did it first try

lol

i mean one before broken vessel

[carmine yew]

It’s finicky for sure

No one is 100% consistent with it

It’s not worth going for if you’re just learning

[elder gale]

i mean i get it about 60% of time lol

not maybe

and yeah propably not worth but its also noit big propblem to fail

[carmine yew]

Yeah but if you fail it more than once you are losing time to going around

[stark stream]

is there a list of all bosses? I've considered running it, but i wanna see them all first pls

[hearty adder]

I can't wrap my head around the second acid skip in isma's grove i just don't get the timing for the movement once you reach the wall on the platform

[twin swallow]

https://pastebin.com/qXszyTvF

[hearty adder]

May just go with wings first for a while but I don't wanna give up yet

[twin swallow]

all bosses pastebin

[stark stream]

ty 🥺

[hearty adder]

Got it right after saying this after practicing it for like 5-10mins

[twin swallow]

oh, that's the 100% one, later patches also require GPZ, White Defender, TMG and NKG

so if you run on 1221 you will need to defeat those as well for example

rules section for each content pack has its' own pastebin https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#All_Bosses

[night ocean]

hello is it classed as an official speedrun even if you do it on xbox

[harsh mason]

yes

[night ocean]

ok

[rugged crow]

there are console leaderboards

[haughty fossil]

there are separate console boards: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Console_Runs

[night ocean]

im gonna start doing propper speedruns then

what format should i do

[thorn jasper]

whichever you find most enjoyable / exciting! lots of beginners go with either All Skills or any% to start out

[night ocean]

my best i have done without optimising is 2hour 2 mins any% which i did as a competition to beat my friend but i want to cut the time down as i got lost in fungle wastes and couldent find the COT entrence also it was in steel soul so i cant do the shade skipp

[vocal dove]

that's a pretty good time! check out some guides. a lot of people start with any% but all skills is poppin right now

[small magnet]

All Skills is the bee's knees

I told myself I wouldn't do All Skills until I got sub-40 any%, but I'm about to break that promise

[oak oyster]

@jagged vault @digital jewel thanks for your help <3 hopefully the ping didnt bother u

[harsh mason]

faster

[granite field]

Chinese version is faster for texts, due to less characters in the text boxes (I think?)

[small magnet]

Yeah, it's noticeably faster. When I first started running I kept it on English because... it's not like Chinese text would impact my 2 hour time. But, when I swapped it was heckin noticeable.

[granite field]

The issue I get when I switched was the Stag Stations, I ended up missing the right ones so many times lol

You're probably playing on 1.4.3.2 (Current patch)

Inventory drops are impossible mid-air on current patch

But it's possible if you're timing it right after falling off ledges

People run on 1.2.2.1 because it's an "optimized" patch for some things (allows more glitches)
Current patch use the mostly of the route from 1221, some strats are just different

[haughty fossil]

(same frame as leaving a ledge, not very easy/consistent but not impossible)

also while CP any% route is almost identical to 1221, CP all skills route is drastically different

[small magnet]

Yeah, there's a good chunk of the community that run Current Patch, but a lot of the streamers you might watch are usually on 1.2.2.1

[granite field]

Yeah I meant for any%

For example there is a short category where I run on current patch (around 9 min long), I find it more comfy on this patch, and also you might have a smoother game while running on CP than 1221

But I prefer 1221 for longer runs, it's funnier

[twin swallow]

basically whatever you prefer there are (almost always) other people that run that category+patch to compete with or ask for help

[strong summit]

is the in game timer with or without loads??

cuz my pb on switch is now 51m 42s

so im just wondering

[stuck raptor]

in game timer is not trustworthy

[strong summit]

how come??

[stuck raptor]

b/c it doesn't work

there are many many screenshots of people with in game timers of 4 seconds or less

[strong summit]

oh yea i got a glitch for 17 seconds one time

but ive been getting actual times of sub 1

[stuck raptor]

exactly. in game timer can't be trusted

[strong summit]

so the in game end of run timer is with loads??

[digital jewel]

no

[strong summit]

or thats just how official runs are timed

oh

[stuck raptor]

it's both with and without loads

b/c menu time isn't counted

[digital jewel]

the in-game timer is neither time with or time without loads

it's just a unique janky mess

[stuck raptor]

and the timer sucks anyways

[strong summit]

oh ;w;

[stuck raptor]

so use it as an approximation

but nothing more

[strong summit]

ig ill just use my phone next time

[digital jewel]

it gives you a rough estimate

your real-time would probably be within a few minutes of the in-game time

[strong summit]

ah ok

thanks for the info

[stuck raptor]

17s

within a few minutes of that

sick run

[digital jewel]

[stuck raptor]

[strong summit]

ikr

but yea most of my more recent runs have been 57-54 minutes with the in game timer

so im getting consistent maybe sub 1

[granite field]

sub 1 is pretty good though 👍

[strong summit]

yea i think the switch wr is like 48m

yea, 48 17

so im kinda close even though 51 is an estimation

and i can save a solid 2 minutes if i just get the fungal bomb skip thing for once

oh and the wr for switch has kinda slow menuing

so i very much have a chance

and im weird, i do low% wall jump stuff so i can flow easier

[granite field]

what do you mean?

[hearty adder]

Still practicing All Skills and wow, Dark Deepnest is way less scary than I thought

[carmine yew]

Yeah! It’s not so bad once you’ve gone through a couple times

[hearty adder]

The only bad thing about it is that staring at it too long makes my head hurt because my eyes are bad

But that's further incentive to do it fast

[meager current]

dark deepnest is only bad if you are an idiot like me who doesnt know what they are doing

[hearty adder]

There's only one way to know what you're doing and that is practice

I believe it you slothy

[meager current]

i mean, i dont even run cats that do dark deepnest so

[hearty adder]

This goes to anything in the game tho tbh

[meager current]

true

[oak oyster]

How would I set up multiple Hollow Knight installs so I can have one vanilla game and one w/ mods?

Someone mentioned that earlier

[thorn jasper]

copy-paste the entire install directory to somewhere else on your pc, and mod that new one

when you open modinstaller for the first time, tell it to pick a different install path

[oak oyster]

and then how would I be able to launch the new game?

because I'd assume Steam only launches from one folder

[stuck raptor]

add the steam_appid txt file

and then launch the exe

[oak oyster]

ah okay

thanks!

[stuck raptor]

add the exe to steam as a non-steam game

it's in the downpatching guide

with pictures

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[oak oyster]

thank you :)!!

[strong summit]

very late response but i do the thing where you walk off a ledge and instantly turn around and wall jump like in low%

feels smoother to me

[granite field]

aaaah yes I see

[knotty vigil]

Can anyone help me please i just depatched hollow knight to 1221 an when i start a new run i can't attack can someone tell me whats wrong?(also i think it is from livesplit but i still am not sure and have no idea how to fix it)

[jagged vault]

You’re using mouse binds?

1221 drops them every time you enter a save for some reason

Check #resources for a program that fixes this

It should be the first pin there

[knotty vigil]

yes

i guess i will have to not :))

Thanks

[jagged vault]

Using mouse binds works fine

I’m an example of a runner that does it. The program in the resources works very well, all you have to do is run it and bind your ingame mouse actions to H and T

[limpid ruin]

It makes your mouse buttons act like H and T respectively, right?

[jagged vault]

Yup

H for left, T for right

[stiff delta]

What are H and T normally?

[thorn jasper]

H and T are keys on the keyboard that you can bind to whatever actions

[jagged vault]

^

[thorn jasper]

click -> H via blue.exe, H -> action via in-game bind

click -> action via both

[short spire]

now that i think of it, doesn't it technically bind two actions to the mouse, click and h

which isn't really supposed to be allowed

[jagged vault]

But click is never bound ingame

So it’s allowed

Only h

If you were to bind click, then it would be invalid if i understand the rules correctly

[short spire]

but click is inherently bound for stuff like menuing

[jagged vault]

Shit good point

Might want to make this program an excetion in the rules

(Pls pls i don’t wanna go back to whatever the times before this magic program was it was pain and i hated it so much)

[formal bough]

don't think about it this conversation never happened

[short spire]

could always make the program unbind the mouse click entirely

[jagged vault]

But how would we menu then

[short spire]

so it's only h

[formal bough]

enter

[short spire]

press enter like normal kb users

[jagged vault]

Omg pls no

[median gull]

smh blue actually using russian cheats that give him an advantage

smh blue I thought I could trust you

[jagged vault]

Not at all

Oh a joke

I’m tiredd

Point is, we’re only using one at a time. When we’re in menus, H doesn’t do anything

When we’re in game, click doesn’t do anything

[limpid ruin]

If enter is good enough for me, it sure as heck is good enough for you 😤

[jagged vault]

Banning this could hurt accessibility

And overall, if someone isn’t abusing the program, it’s a slight disadvantage due to a tiny tiny bit more input delay

It’s next to nothing but still

[limpid ruin]

You're not playing the intended way, the game is intended to have the mouse controls die on every savequit/load

[thorn jasper]

You're not playing the intended way, the game is intended to be a good experience

[median gull]

Ehh

I think no one is playing the intended way

[jagged vault]

Seriously though. No one has used this program to cheat yet, and it’s a very good resource for people like me who have uhh unique keybind setups. Would be a big bummer to see it go

[limpid ruin]

hm, i do wonder actually, does it act like both at once?

[jagged vault]

It clicks both, yeah

[limpid ruin]

doesnt it intercept the mouse click and subs in the letter key

[jagged vault]

But you only have one bound ingame

The menus are the issue as ax brought up

[limpid ruin]

bind jump and nail to left mouse to test

[jagged vault]

But then, in the menu, you’re only using the other

[short spire]

you could use middle click for menuing 🥴

[jagged vault]

I would be fine with kaving to open my keybinds to prove in the start of runs

As long as i can keep using the program

Ax now i won’t like my mouse’s middle click is broken

[short spire]

dang

[jagged vault]

Whcih is why i never did any decorationmaster mod stuff

I couldn’t open the settings menu 🥴

[short spire]

but how do you open new tabs

[jagged vault]

On a browser? Click the thing at the top

I didn’t know middle click was a shortcut for that even tbh

[formal bough]

wait middle click is a shortcut for new tab? tricks trackpad users don't know

[jagged vault]

Scrolling still works luckily

Just not the click

My mouse is like 7 years old

Or like 6

[short spire]

yes middle clicking a link opens it in a new tab

like +200% boost for internet browsing QoL

[limpid ruin]

ctrl + leftclick also opens a new tab

[rotund jackal]

also middle clicking on a tab closes it so you don't have to aim for the x

[high kraken]

how is rng seeded in this game?

[limpid ruin]

ctrl+w closes it and you dont have to touch the mouse at all

[formal bough]

iirc the tasser said system time?

[limpid ruin]

We're not completely sure, at least very few of us

[formal bough]

us speedrunners afaik don't know more than what zippy rhys has said really

[high kraken]

wait theres a tas?

[limpid ruin]

Yea, there's a p5 tas 👀

someone link pls

[high kraken]

p5?

[formal bough]

just go search in celeste tas channels

[haughty fossil]

pantheon 5

[high kraken]

oh right

[high kraken]

how would that help?

[formal bough]

because that is where the tasser has talked

[high kraken]

what should i dm them or smth?

what are they called?

[formal bough]

#754495709872521287 message

#754495709872521287 message

they haven't interacted on hkcord at all and I don't think any of us have really tried due to it being libtas?

[high kraken]

yh fair

[sick raven]

@atomic swift, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[livid zenith]

just downpatched, using keyboard, and if i hold left and up i can't jump at all

anyone know how to fix this? (solved, it was keyboard ghosting that i hadn't noticed before for some reason)

[knotty vigil]

anyone know how to record speedruns on xbox? if so what do i use

[stark stream]

elgato thingy to get the video stuffs

[knotty vigil]

wut

[stark stream]

elgato capture card

[haughty fossil]

can't xbox stream direct to twitch?

you could do that, then make a highlight of the stream

[stark stream]

Some runs don't accept the vods i thought?

[normal aspen]

you just highlight the run

[stark stream]

oh okay

[haughty fossil]

we require permanent video proof that won't disappear. twitch vods expire, highlights persist

[stark stream]

a bit confused why a vod wouldn't be accepted but a highlights exist. Would a vod be accepted if it was recorded/downloaded and re-uploaded to a permanent location like youtube

oh oki nvm

[normal aspen]

also vods arent trimmed to the run

[haughty fossil]

neither are some of my highlights

[stark stream]

i was just wondering if there was a specific reason a vod itself wouldn't be able to be verified or smth

[normal aspen]

the disappearing is the main reason

[stark stream]

oki ^^

[haughty fossil]

shoutouts to xero for watching a full 25 minutes of an any% run that died to something dumb

[normal aspen]

if the video disappears later on the run is yeeted as well

[stark stream]

i wanna stream on twitch and it is definitely easier to play longer while others are watching but like

i get tired of streaming and don't want to only been off-cam when i sleep

[haughty fossil]

streaming is fun and calm, good way to avoid bad mentality from reset hell imo

turn you failing over and over into content rather than getting tilted

[stark stream]

i just have a bad habit of failing 15 minutes into a run and being so annoyed that i just stop

[knotty vigil]

not twitch its something else tho

i need a recorder to record the video

[verbal stag]

you can point a phone at the screen

[granite field]

so, video capture card ? Idk what else you can use

[knotty vigil]

dont have a phone

or tablet

[granite field]

anything that can record then lol

[knotty vigil]

idk what there is lol

[granite field]

Have you got a camera device or something

[knotty vigil]

nop

im quarantined cuz i have covid so i might not be able to do it

[rugged perch]

Brookie cams aren’t required for streaming, I dropped face cam like 3 months ago and it’s been great. Very comfy to not have to worry about having a face

[knotty vigil]

no i need to have a video link

[low thicket]

Hey real quick about I think elegy%
There's one grub if I remember from skurry's video in the abyss that required wings to get and that was the only reason wings were outright required for every grub. Was it this one?

[normal aspen]

yea

[serene coral]

since i'm a noob i'm thinking of doing any% nmg on cp, but routing in shade soul before WKs, even though it's torturously slow

gonna need to find a ton of money though

[stray kestrel]

i believe theres's a route for that somewhere in here

this has a route for any% with shade soul but it only works on 1221 #any-percent-nmg message

[serene coral]

mm, i guess i need to depatch

[stray kestrel]

if you're on pc its probably worth it (if your pc is good enough)

if anything running on 1221 is probably easier

[maiden bane]

Wait, sorry, your name's familiar

Did you use to be a freeze mage guy in Hearthstone years and years ago?

[serene coral]

that is me

good 6-year memory on you

[maiden bane]

Neat

Glad you're doing well

[serene coral]

hope you are too!

i just finished the godmaster content but i don't wanna stop playing HK 😬

gotta speedrun it somehow

[maiden bane]

Well we've got a ton of categories so hopefully you can find something you like

Check out the category extensions board if you want more suggestions

[serene coral]

i noticed quack's react there after looking up from his nkg% run 😮

[tropic shell]

I'm trying to learn current patch explosion pogo, but I'm having a hard time getting it consistently. Does anyone have any pointers or resources for it?

[stark birch]

hi it me, emissary of the meme boards lol

the beauty of the extensions is that they run the gamut from highly optimized 8 minute runs to nice classic-speedrun-feeling 40-60 minute affairs to basically tech showcases for some of the more obscure + obtuse skips in the game

less glory in it than top 10 106 or whatever, sure, but I cannot support the extensions enough

especially the ones I haven't been able to get other people to run for leaderboard status yet, justice for ghostbusters

[normal aspen]

^ this but for AG meme cats which are actually better than AG main cats anyway

[serene coral]

my only run on the site was me pioneering a meme category in a different game

so meme runs are up my alley

[normal aspen]

You should do Best Girl%

[serene coral]

so you just have to kill flukemilf?

[stark birch]

best possible response to that

[weary root]

There's two good videos here for the vsync version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U and the panta version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdfFMLblz4

[stark birch]

but yeah even off the boards there are more memes being developed and run as one-off challenges by streamers like every week at this point lol

[tropic shell]

Thanks!

[devout smelt]

Whats' the best route to take while speedrunning the game?

Also, can you use glitches in console speedrun?

[normal aspen]

Console is nmg

[small sigil]

@ me with meme run ideas and I might be willing to help route

[normal aspen]

routing lowkey the most fun partt

[deft flame]

look here: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[regal viper]

I'm about to learn watchers split

Any recomendations? I'm very scared tbh

[jagged vault]

watch fireb0rn and Pest's guides on the split, they're great resources for learning!

[regal viper]

Cool, thanks!

I can't find Pest's guide

[weary root]

Pest's Watcher guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[regal viper]

Thank you so much!!!

[lucid stirrup]

I just witnessed the most beautiful reunion ive ever seen

[serene coral]

i'm very sentimental 😊

once in a blue moon someone remembers me from playing freeze mage and my instant, heartfelt reaction is always "i can't believe you remember that far back"

it is flattering though

alright, got splits setup, will try a run tomorrow

[lucid stirrup]

i recently found someone I used to play hearthstone with back in like 2016 when I was like 11

[digital jewel]

back in like 2016 when I was like 11

This deals psychic damage

[lucid stirrup]

is this pokemon?

[normal aspen]

me after reading that snetence

[haughty fossil]

why does that make me feel old and im just over a year older than gwonk

[lucid stirrup]

bro what is this cryptic joke im missing

[normal aspen]

ur this 👶
which makes me feel like this 👴

[last inlet]

(dont tell anyone i'm a year younger than that)

[lucid stirrup]

oh

u guys are literally just saying ur old, i thought i was missing a joke

[forest latch]

AUGH I'M IN PAIN
I can't record a run because outdated video driver go brrr

Actually no wait, nevermind, had to change it from Hardware to Software, thank god-

I'll start a run.. maybe tomorrow, I need more research, and I need to practice some skips

[haughty fossil]

i'd recommend updating video drivers before switching to software encoding usually

software encoding can really hurt performance, especially in a CPU-bound game like HK

[stark stream]

Recording and gaming is the first thing to actually push my sorta okayish pc

nothing else I've down has told me to chill out

[forest latch]

I mean, I got a pretty good laptop, I should be fine

[stark stream]

I can't record 1080p60fps although 30fps seems fine

[forest latch]

I'm not sure about 60, but 30 might be possible

[normal aspen]

also 1080 is overkill for just getting runs verified

[forest latch]

I mean, ofc, the runs have to be watchable in order to be verified

[haughty fossil]

usually 720p30 is completely watchable quality, even from a casual consumption standpoint

(and it doesn't eat bandwidth for mobile stream viewers)

[bitter knot]

1080 or go home

[steady lynx]

Watchable is very relative, you could probably upload in 360p and it'd be fine

[bitter knot]

..

no

[forest latch]

I'm still doing research on routes and shit, I need plenty of rest and knowledge before even attempting the first run of my bloody life

[bitter knot]

1080 to 4k or else its brh

[short spire]

maybe it's time for you to go to #hk-meme

[bitter knot]

i do mine in 1080 120fps but idk

[forest latch]

120 FPS lul

Is it possible to even set the video quality?

[steady lynx]

Anyone with good takes?

[haughty fossil]

yes in obs

[bitter knot]

obs studio

[forest latch]

Ok cool

[haughty fossil]

also doable in streamlabs obs if you're into that.

[bitter knot]

streamlabs obs is meh

[slate fulcrum]

i recorded a run in windowed (1300something x 700something) and it was accepted

don't worry

[bitter knot]

🥶

[forest latch]

1920x1080 display for me

[bitter knot]

just buy a streaming pc and get a capture card to take stress off your main pc

[slate fulcrum]

this way i can still see discord messages and live split time, i don't have a 2nd monitor

[short spire]

please stop being actively unhelpful kazkui

[forest latch]

I mean, I got a new PC, and I think it can handle it

[bitter knot]

what gpu

?

[forest latch]

Give me like one second

[steady lynx]

Honestly, why are you trying to say what's acceptable for speedruns when you're not even a speedrunner?

[bitter knot]

well i dont got the role*

[bitter knot]

i mean could be worse

[haughty fossil]

your output resolution does not need to be the same as your display resolution; especially if you're streaming, it makes sense to lower it for performance, or to get around the fact that twitch doesn't give your stream quality options until you have partner (or you get lucky)

[forest latch]

I don't use Twitch lmao

[bitter knot]

wdym doesnt give u stream quality options?

[short spire]

it doesn't give stream quality options

[slate fulcrum]

i don't watch Twitch because my internet is trash and the streams lag for me

[bitter knot]

i use 7000 bit rate and stream at like 120 fps and 1080p on twitch so idk

[haughty fossil]

twitch does not give the viewer an option to change the quality of the stream, so they have to watch at the output resolution no matter what it is. so if i'm on mobile and a streamer is streaming at 1080p60, i have to watch at 1080p60, and will probably get massive delay

[bitter knot]

there is an option..

[forest latch]

Youtube has that option thankfully

[haughty fossil]

that's reserved for partners, or for people who happen to stream when load is low

[short spire]

did you read the other half of that sentence

[haughty fossil]

it is not guaranteed for affiliates

[short spire]

generally understanding people is easier if you fully read what they're saying

[bitter knot]

bro

[steady lynx]

Imagine reading

[bitter knot]

literally what hes saying

twitch does not give the viewer an option to change the quality of the stream

[verbal stag]

correct

[midnight storm]

You can get the video quality option everytime even if you are affiliate, but it's random so you have to restart your stream until you get it

Sometimes I get it first try, sometimes I have to restart the stream 20 times

[forest latch]

Twitch is confusing lul

[haughty fossil]

as i'm saying, not guaranteed, especially if you choose to stream at high load times for more viewers

[bitter knot]

idk ive never had that problem but cool

[forest latch]

Is it possible to not use your mic for the run?

[haughty fossil]

yeah, only requirement is game audio must be audible (and no HUD elements are hidden/obscured)

[bitter knot]

😳

[forest latch]

Ok cool

[short spire]

keyboard noises are necessary for input verification though

[haughty fossil]

thats why i have no runs verified, controller player

[snow dome]

X: Doubt

[forest latch]

Yeah but I use a controller to play the game

[short spire]

yeah if youre on controller youre just out of luck sorry

might as well switch to kb

[median fog]

start pressing random keys while you're playing then you might be able to fool the src mods

[haughty fossil]

[midnight storm]

[snow dome]

This is basically just a description of my runs TBH

[haughty fossil]

switch to kb for text mashing and the mods can verify it

[forest latch]

KB?

[midnight storm]

Ax ... it's not really serious

[snow dome]

Kenneth Benneth

[steady lynx]

I'd end up pressing the end recording button

[haughty fossil]

(if it's not immediately obvious, ax is just joking, there is no mic/keyboard requirements)

[forest latch]

OOOOH Keyboard

Good god I'm gonna have a whole lot of trouble using the keyboard

I use a laptop too soo..

[median fog]

you dont have to dw! using controller is fine

[snow dome]

So does Jamie and she's okay

[forest latch]

Oh really?

[median fog]

yeah ax was just joking

[haughty fossil]

lots of runners use kb, lots use controller, its a matter of preference

[midnight storm]

You are on console ? Switch to keyboard

[forest latch]

LMAO

[short spire]

lol yeah sorry i was just meming

[forest latch]

I heavily rely on tone indicators soo...

[snow dome]

And very shortly we'll find out which is objectively better.

[haughty fossil]

😤

[forest latch]

I kinda have a hard time understanding jokes

[steady lynx]

It's obvious that the better input method is voice commands

[haughty fossil]

that's fine, my tone indicator for sarcasm is the text Ax2u is typing...

[midnight storm]

Ax was trying to convert new runners to heretic keyboard gang

[forest latch]

LMAO

[short spire]

damn you caught me

[snow dome]

I think this race is interesting

[forest latch]

It's like 3 AM currently, still have lots of research to go through before finally starting a run tomorrow

[last inlet]

keyboard supremacy