thanks
#speedrunning
white sierra
jaunty anvil
hey any1 know roughly how much time base nail compares to lvl1 nail in the THK fight , ive decided it's big girl n stop using the noob nail upgrade but it feels like the fight takes me so so so much longer that it would barley even gain me any time at all
im p inconsistent at hitting the double hits on THK
wicked trench
I might be wrong, correct me if I'm am boys, but a decent fight in 1221 any% is around 1:2x
haughty fossil
depends how dependent you are on nail for THK
jaunty anvil
im playing on current patch wuiefghiuwef
limpid ruin
Nail 1 vs nail 0 is definitely a fair difference in a fight like that. Nail 0 is just a glorified soul collection+stagger tool, nail 1 deals double dmg of it basically
jaunty anvil
altho im thinking of switching to 1.2.2.1 soon
normal aspen
it prob saves like 10s
limpid ruin
So off the top of my head I'd say 10-15s yea
normal aspen
coz that was around fury timesave
haughty fossil
cp thk is harder 
wouldn't blame people for wanting to downpatch to avoid that
midnight storm
its more like 1:10
WK or THK ?
normal aspen
and thats 9dmg too
haughty fossil
ah i see
jaunty anvil
i can actrually run older patches
limpid ruin
Yooo murmur š
haughty fossil
saving for a pc but spending all my money on twitch subs because i love everyone in hk 
limpid ruin
jaunty anvil
but yeah if it only saves around 10-15 seconds i might stick w nail upgrade
limpid ruin
Ngl, I still haven't seen menderbug in a run. Maybe bc I've finished like a total of 30 runs š„“
normal aspen
my fc run had it right at the start
jaunty anvil
i think im gnna try to lower my 47:11 to a 45:XX n then swich to current patch
*1221
jagged vault
oh, they meant using nail 1 saves 10-15 in the fight
limpid ruin
you do save a ton of time to just not routing the nail upgrade and geo for it in, but if that means you die even once you kinda lost it already
limpid ruin
I've no clue how much, but the huge golds both nattie and wasabi got on chandelier from making the switch (after completely scuffing city) tells me in that area yea
jaunty anvil
fuck it im a god gamer i can do it yeah
i just needa get better at hitting doubles n more consistent
limpid ruin
(there's 0 shame in using nail 1 btw, but I getchu. I'd say practice with debug using nail 0, but do runs with nail 1 until you're comfortable and consistent in practice)
jaunty anvil
mmm
fervent kelp
aren't spike tunnel skips supposed to be hard?
especially the one to Isma's grotto right
Cause I'm not having much trouble with either
jaunty anvil
think ur just a god
fervent kelp
ah okay
jaunty anvil
hahaha
limpid ruin
The spike tunnel is harder on 1221 bc hit freeze frame performance being horrible, as far as I've heard
But it depends on the person, I still suck at it after hours of practice
Others get it first try (probably), and most are somewhere in between
granite field
For spike tunnels I think it's important to start your dash at a low position (y axis) because pogoing can make you easily hit the ceiling spikes so, in that way, you would have a bit more time to fireball/shriek + dash
limpid ruin
Yea, that's a good point, etimo
midnight storm
For spike tunnels I think it's important to start your dash at a low position (y...
So you mean that for spike tunnels you need dash, this is why I had so much trouble doing it 
granite field
hahaha
limpid ruin
If you have inf soul or a very short tunnel you could probably do it with just fb chaining, or fb + pogo chaining
midnight storm
That's right
midnight storm
I think that you can spike tunnel with only dash and 2 fireballs, but it's really precise
Fireball skips Etimo
granite field
yeah 
midnight storm
Don't worry, it doesn't looks like but this is an hard trick to be regular on
limpid ruin
I only have another 20 hours in just fireball skips and still regularly mess it up and need to derust.
midnight storm
Exactly what I mean
midnight storm
Fireball skips are EZ PZ but when I fail one of them, I'm in a bad mood during all the run 
fervent kelp
I can't do fireball skips for the life of me :l
but all spike tunnels seem to be easy for me now :L
impossible any% changes a man
gonna finally get debug mod to help with practicing :L
granite field
Impossible any% is like the chapter 9 of celeste
you're forced to learn some tricks and they end up being casual things after 40 hours of practice
midnight storm
š¤ Lag input in debug mod ?
fervent kelp
I'm on a shitty laptop instead of my regular PC
normal aspen
isnt debug more optimized
fervent kelp
I dunno :L
limpid ruin
Debug is more optimised tho 
fervent kelp
tell that to my shitty laptop :L
granite field
Isn't QoL mod also optimized for that? might be good to try it
fervent kelp
good idea, I'll get them :L
knotty vigil
yo guys, so i have a question. I started running PoP a while ago(cough yesterday cough) and was wondering about something, till now i have been using QoL to retry PoP once i finished it, but i heard that having any kinds of Mods installed would make it not possible to submit a Run to Speedrun.com. So i have been asking myself how can i still practice PoP without using Mods. While i dont have any Times that are worth submitting rn(obviously) and that probably wont change for a while, i was still asking myself this. Hope y'all have a great Day/Night
haughty fossil
you can quit out, then replace the save file to retry PoP. there should be a PoP save file in #resources or on the resources on speedrun.com
(and a clarification: you must not have any mods or moddingapi itself installed for speedruns on the main & category extension boards, as it changes the performance of the game)
weary root
you can also rename the savefile user1.dat, user2.dat etc. to fill your save slots with PoP files
fervent kelp
wait... you can't do PoP after you complete it once?
NO WONDER I ALWAYS DO DLC ROOMS
knotty vigil
thanks for all the help guys and girls!
weary root
Also for runs we require that you haven't hit the lever or broken the floor
fervent kelp
what's the hardest spike tunnel skip in the game?
it's not the glowing womb one right?
normal aspen
gwomb ig?
fervent kelp
nvm, they all easy then damn
normal aspen
prob like non qol dashmaster gwomb or right side ismas
deft thorn
depends, I feel like gwomb is the hardest with dash and dashmaster / airstall
but i find itemless broken bridge relic quite a bit harder
especially getting back from it 
haughty fossil
right side isma's is harder than glowing womb imo, i find it harder to get the right height out of a pogo
deft thorn
why would anyone do dash master spike tunnels tho :L
QoL makes them free
fervent kelp
yeah, still
also, shade cloak doesn't change spike tunnels unless you have sharpshadow right?
deft thorn
I mean, with dash and dashmaster on cp, no spike tunnels are really hard
but itemless? broken bridge
meager current
what is best girl percent
deft thorn
dashmaster is needed for bestgirl%
because of mag's skip?
meager current
ah
normal aspen
yeah
meager current
so i guess you get ismas?
normal aspen
ye
fervent kelp
somehow dashmaster made it harder :L
deft thorn
with or without qol?
fervent kelp
with
deft thorn
hm
haughty fossil
dashmaster is not required for bestgirl% smh
fervent kelp
timing different prob
haughty fossil
its only required for mag skip route
meager current
dash down: imma ruin your day
deft thorn
just spam dash + nail and hold down and direction
deft thorn
just spam dash + nail and hold down and direction
when I say free, I mean you literally don't have to time anything
fervent kelp
okay it's not as painful as I thought lol
deft thorn
the buffers for both, dash and nail are quite huge
fervent kelp
just way different timing
deft thorn
yeah
fervent kelp
with spell I have a bit of breathing room
deft thorn
I personally find the airstall version a bit harder, because you actually need to time your inputs somewhat
fervent kelp
with dash master everything goes too quickly :L
deft thorn
but I guess it's just a matter of what you are used to
normal aspen
gslash is the hardest imo
haughty fossil
people use great slash to airstall? 
normal aspen
I've got it in the playlist
meager current
great slash air stall lasts really long
haughty fossil
yes but great slash has no buffer out of a dash
meager current
hmm why not dasche slasche
haughty fossil
if you don't have dash slash maybe
fervent kelp
not as good ait stall :L
normal aspen
and yeah this is for when u dont have the 3k channel points 800 geo for dash slash or during rando
meager current
3k channel points
mighty rain
1st speedrun finished took me 3h,it was the bosses that i died a lot to
Is that good for a speedrun?
Like
First time
meager current
my first run was actually invalid because mod installer and that run was 3 hours so i say ye
i still dont class it as my true first run tho because invalid run
mighty rain
I dont have mods
But i dont have like, a proper timer as said yesterday
I Just, used the game time, so its probably more/less idk
limpid ruin
why would anyone do dash master spike tunnels tho :L
Bc speeeeed and zoomies
mighty rain
Fast!
normal aspen
you should run bestgirl% the if ur good at the skips to ismas
fervent kelp
what's bestgirl% :L
normal aspen
saving myla, so no cdash or dive
fervent kelp
damn
mighty rain
Mean while i cant do anything well 
normal aspen
mood
fervent kelp
wait... no dive?
meager current
Meanwhile all i run is any% nmg and I still suck at that
fervent kelp
why no dive?
normal aspen
yeah Dive makes her go into the woozy state
meager current
Myla gets partly infected if dive
normal aspen
it is if u wanna do optimal route
normal aspen
optimally u dont kill dung defender too
fervent kelp
oh fck
normal aspen
literally ran it coz Mag Ismas was optimal lol
normal aspen
normal aspen
do a run
meager current
Boring is subjective
fervent kelp
112% ALL THE WAY
meager current
Any% with qga route looks crazy
I take the deepnest route tho
Becuase I find it funner
fervent kelp
boooooring
practicing dashless QGA as well for rando lol
update; dashless QGA is a pain
practicing spell stall timing by doing tons in sequence trying to get from one side of a room to another while staying airborne
stark stream
people use the dash's delay to help them. so it's less lenient for dashless
normal aspen
I practiced it by fireballing all the way to cdash
stark stream
damn
i actually got a 1 fireball hornet skip earlier for the first time ever during a run
normal aspen
It's a good backup if u miss it with 2
stark stream
yee, I'm slowly able to do it more consistently
chrome bramble
nice elderbug% Pb
meager current
or you can do somnis fireball backup
stark stream
I've just managed to get the explosion pogo pretty consistent too
meager current
i cant get over that video omg
stark stream
what's the one where someone kills the mosquito for more soul to do a 1 fireball skip
fervent kelp
hey... anyone got a video of cdash and isma less isma's tear pickup?
twin swallow
Insomnia put some videos in #randomizer a couple months back if you search for "mag skip"
quaint skiff
does anyone know how to run hk in borderless windowed mode?
fervent kelp
thanks :>
hmmm... so you dash twice from the walls
interesting
I'll try it out
probably fail but eh
you never know lol
white sierra
Dont know how to record the timer and the gameplay at the same time i play on switch
meager current
you could just record the screen and when you upload the video somewhere they could check when it starts and ends idk
haughty fossil
a timer is not required for console runs, as they are timed manually by the length of the video anyway. You can add a timer yourself using something like ffmpeg (or more comprehensive video editor), or you can just submit and a mod will retime it for you.
thorn jasper
Some runners use a capture card, and feed the capture into OBS Studio, and also have LiveSplit as a window capture inside OBS Studio
wanton tulip
anyone ever had a softlock here? this is like the 3rd time its happened lool
thorn jasper
I believe this happens if you aren't fully grounded while interacting with the tablet
wanton tulip
interesting
ive had a similar ish softlock when killing VFK
if i kill him while hes screaming
limpid ruin
The dnail one can happen if either you press activate in the middle of a dash (dashing and just mashing up for example), or more usually like what slaurent said that you're just in the air when interacting
midnight storm
Try to stop dashing or jumping for 1 second before interracting to avoid that
wanton tulip
interesting, thanks!
leaden python
I think fireborn explains it in his any% turorial series as well
limpid ruin
Wonder if it's the same with nail, spells, and focus as well
white sierra
do you have to show a timer when playing on switch
cause i cant get my timer and my moniter with the gameplay at the same time
thorn jasper
nah, the mods should be able to look at the start and stop times in the video
and do ||math || to figure out the time
white sierra
oh ok i just made a super cool timer tho
midnight storm
||math ||
white sierra
but thanks
white sierra
i firgured out a way to record both the tiner and the gameplay
jagged vault
yeah, i gave you some slightly incorrect info, my bad
you don't need to have the timer visible as many pointed out
white sierra
just used obs
jagged vault
having it is very convenient though
white sierra
now i do have a timer
uneven scarab
Cooleo, which one?
thorny agate
I don't know if it was found
uneven scarab
Video?
uneven scarab
Yeah, I use it all the time
thorny agate
Qoh ok
uneven scarab
U donāt need any nail lengthening charms tho
thorny agate
Oh thanks
uneven scarab
Nice that u found it on ur own :3
thorny agate
Thanks
vocal dove
am i crazy or can you dash as soon as you enter a room if you aren't holding any directional input? if that doesn't make sense i can explain it in a different way
carmine yew
That doesnāt seem correct, thereās always that short wait period
vocal dove
That doesnāt seem correct, thereās always that short wait period
damn okay
lemme clarify though, so that transition room between crossroads and fungal where you have to dash over a gap, if i hold left and dash i miss my jump input, but if i don't hold left and just dash i can jump and make it over
it kind of seems like i can dash earlier without any direction input
carmine yew
Yeah thatās just a spacing thing with the dash
You arenāt dashing any earlier, your dash is just going slightly less far so that you donāt fall off
vocal dove
gotcha that makes sense, thanks!
carmine yew
No problem!
white sierra
im stopping with speedrunning for today i came to mantis but instead of splitting it stooped my recording im upset
meager current
Just did another run and got sub hour, it's worse than my unverified pb but I'll keep it as a backup incase my pb is invalid when someone verifies it
charred sigil
very nice
meager current
If I hadn't gotten such an unlucky uumuu it would have been ahead of my pb 
vocal dove
im stopping with speedrunning for today i came to mantis but instead of splittin...
lol been there. yesterday i slammed the space bar so hard i not only reset the timer but also made my switch disconnect from the dock lol
meager current
Lol
fervent dock
Just did another run and got sub hour, it's worse than my unverified pb but I'll...
Nice work, Proto!
meager current
this one was 58:xx and my pb is in my nickname
well, we will see when my pb run gets turned down for a reason i didnt notice
fervent dock
Hey, still good to have a guage for your progress
patent quartz
Just did my first livesplit run. could save a lot of time with watcher knight and uumuu, but overall not disappointed
granite field
congrats
meager current
uncut cloak
is there any 112% hitless speedrun?
haughty fossil
there are a few pantheon 5 hitless runs, but no full game 112 runs, no
rugged crow
you could be the first!
uneven scarab
Cooleo, wr for 112% is like 3hr24:xx
fickle igloo
https://i.imgur.com/MM1HyIL.png getting there! (slowly)
granite field
I guess it's nmg?
GG for this
Don't worry about the "slowly" it's important to have a base time, that you can improve later, and also I think sub 2 hours is decent as a base
regal viper
Hey guys, I've got some problems with epogo
Fireborn recomends the damage tank for beginners, but I allways reach that spot with 1 mask or two and with barely any soul
Do you recomend getting used to fungal wastes movement to not get hit before epogo or just avoiding the trick completely?
Thanks in advance
hearty adder
I'm assuming you're talking about current patch epogo? if you reach the place with such low health, then yeah getting better at movement should definitely be a priority imo
leaden python
It's up to you honestly, people will recommend you different things here, but generally doing movement so that you don't get hit in unexpected places is a good idea
hearty adder
If you find it too inconsistent even with full health, then going around when you're just starting out won't affect your time too much
leaden python
dying while going around is even easier sometimes š
regal viper
Hmm
Okay
I'll practice more my movement then
This game is harder to speedrun than I thought
leaden python
don't put yourself through too much. Going safer at the beginning is ok as long as improve over time
hallow orchid
Fwiw if you're on 1221 you don't need to do the damage boost epogo
And if you're on cp you don't either but I'd just recommend going around at first
pastel mortar
is there any way to insert a hollow knight layout into livesplit or do i have to edit each split manually
and should i get the auto splitter?
haughty fossil
if you're on pc definitely use the autosplitter, it's what we use for comparisons on leaderboards
pastel mortar
ah cool
granite field
In the purpose of not sending the run into the leaderboards, it's as you want, auto splitter is comfortable to avoid loading times and have a better view on your splits. If you want to submit on leaderboards, sure use it
haughty fossil
and you can open other people's splits files, what category are you planning on doing?
pastel mortar
any% nmg
yeah i saw i can open other people's files but would it also bring over their personal time?
hallow orchid
you can always wipe the times
pastel mortar
oh i see
haughty fossil
(don't forget to change the category to NMG rather than Current Patch NMG if you use those files for 1221, just good practice)
pastel mortar
category in livesplit?
granite field
In "edit split" there is an area where you can enter the category title
haughty fossil
granite field
Or this ^ yeah
pastel mortar
ooooh
haughty fossil
just better so people don't come in, read your splits say current patch then watch you lever skip
pastel mortar
and where do i save the layout? in the livesplit folder or does it not matter
granite field
as you want
dreamy bough
just to be certain, the runs are timed rta for consoles right?
granite field
Yep
haughty fossil
and where do i save the layout? in the livesplit folder or does it not matter
literally anywhere you have access to. i personally have them inside a folder inside my livesplit install because i like portability, but
pastel mortar
and i dont really get how you split without global hotkeys, if youre in the middle of a run
does it still work from inside the game?
hearty adder
autosplits do it automatically
pastel mortar
oh
haughty fossil
i'd still leave global hotkeys on so you can fix any errors if you have splits set up wrong
or if gruz mother randomly decides to die during mantis claw quitout
granite field
or if gruz mother randomly decides to die during mantis claw quitout <:feelspkma...
wait what?
pastel mortar
hmm which hotkey settings do yall use then?
twin swallow
Sometimes when you load in after mantis claw s+q, autosplitter will split gruz mother immediately for some reason
My hotkeys are all on numpad, just make sure reset is not close to anything else in case you hit it by accident
granite field
Ooooh okay I thought gruzmom actually die in the game (that would be crazy)
I got manual split on spacebar, global hotkeys activation on 9, R for reset and 1 to pause.
But I'm on controller so I don't really mind
pastel mortar
ooh yeah ill be on controller im stoopid
what does "deactivate for other programs" do?
granite field
Also be sure your hotkeys don't mess up with OBS hotkeys (or whatever software you use)
hot stag
Does anyone know the best any % current patch route? How do I get 1800 geo for the latern? or do you use desolet dive to enter crystal peeks?
digital jewel
you use lantern to enter crystal peaks
hearty adder
Does anyone know the best any % current patch route? How do I get 1800 geo for ...
the 1221 route and the cp route for any% are the same iirc
digital jewel
you get geo mainly from the watcher knights and from selling city relics to lemm
hot stag
ok, thanks a lot
patent quartz
I believe the route on speedrun.com works just as well on current patch, you just have to do the full room instead of lever skip
hearty adder
Yeah, you can't do the lever skip at the Watcher's Spire, so you gotta kill the big dude
haughty fossil
correct, the only major differences are having to kill the great husk sentry in spire and not being able to do QG hazard respawn
hearty adder
i always forget the name of those husks tbh
haughty fossil
dammit im half š yet again
hearty adder
Big Dudes
hearty adder
dammit im half š yet again <:PepeHands:468770185810149406>
at least you also mentioned the hazard respawn
uneven scarab
Jamie is a snapping turtle, humble and patient, but he will snatch pbās and helping other people in a heartbeatš¢
fervent dock
I just realized that when THK is stabbing himself you only do one damage no matter what
Smh
Wasted so much soul
uneven scarab
I just realized that when THK is stabbing himself you only do one damage no matt...
Wait what?!?!
hearty adder
I just realized that when THK is stabbing himself you only do one damage no matt...
yeah, that's why runners only use soul once they're done stabbing themselves, and also why it's a good time to heal
fervent dock
Yeah I Had never known that which is great that I found that by accident
Wish I had known earlier tho
pure vault
fervent dock
Ah yeah that'll do
pure vault
I made this video like 2.5 years ago because someone on reddit was arguing with me about it lol
I like that you can hear me watching csgo in the background lmao
fervent dock
Lol
But yeah that information is
Incredibly important, I've wasted atleast 8-9 casts a fight thinking you could do regular damage
pure vault
iirc grimmchild does normal damage, as does some minion charms too
but not really relevant to speedrunning
dreamy bough
do flukes do normal damage?
haughty fossil
spore shroom is incredible against thk, at least on cp
steady lynx
When's cp any% gonna start using Spore Shroom strats?
hearty adder
spore shroom is incredible against thk, at least on cp <:feelspkman:639636442821...
this is spelless% propaganda
haughty fossil
cp spelless% already does use spore shroom strats
in any% though qg is so much faster it's not at all worth
in as you don't even go near spore shroom
opal rock
I am trying to speedrun but LiveSplit isn't showing over Hollow Knight
How can I fix it?
patent quartz
Pretty sure you cant show livesplit over fullscreen hk on one monitor
opal rock
Oh dang I wanted to record it over it
patent quartz
I believe you can record both at once
opal rock
I guess I can go windowed or use my second monitor.
I mean if I was using OBS
Guess I'll re-install it xD
patent quartz
Second monitor is probably the best option
rugged crow
You can't get livesplit to be on top in fullscreen, if you're in windowed mode you can hit "always on top" In livesplit window settings and it will be on top
nimble galleon
I finally did the explosion pogo! I will probably never get it again but I got it on video! Absolutely evil skip
More of a damage boost, really
patent quartz
Nice!
tardy sable
I finally did the explosion pogo! I will probably never get it again but I got i...
Nice! I would just say for that strat, you might want to learn a visual cue from where the spore is so you know when to start moving. I feel like that's where most of your inconsistencies come from.
fervent dock
leaden python
that's actually a super good time for someone who's not on the leaderboards, you have to really do your paperwork for that blue name my friend
fervent dock
I'm waiting for a 58 I posted to get verified
leaden python
you don't have to wait, you can submit a new run and it will supersede the old one
fervent dock
I wanted to post a 53 I got earlier before this
ALright
Good cause I was worried I was gonna flood the mods with
leaden python
and both of them will be a part of the history š
fervent dock
Runs
leaden python
that's very nice of you actually 
fervent dock
I'm only sad about screwing up a shade skip and missing a jump in dream land, but real nice to see good rainbow splits
Oh and stupid lever skip in QG didn't work and I needed to use the bench
Is there a specific time/line I need to cross to have it work more often?
leaden python
Lever skip in QG?
haughty fossil
are you on current patch?
leaden python
Ahh, hazard respawn
leaden python
yeah, gotcha
yeah sometimes when you fail it once it just spirals and stats feeling like it was sneakily patched behind your back
fervent dock
Atleast the bench is there
I forgot it was right there and I was worried that was gonna be it
leaden python
game knowledge carried you love to see it š
fervent dock
Got a visit from good old corni twice
And honestly only lost like 20 seconds because of it
digital jewel
all the time?
stark stream
@fervent dock sameeeeee
i only uploaded a run because i wanted access to the other channels and to have like a history of runs. i dont really feel like its valuable to post my 243rd ranked run
granite field
Btw can I refuse to get blue role now when i have run on leaderboards
why would you refuse? but sure you can, I suppose
I guess you just don't ask for it, should be fine
(sorry if it was a joke my brain is melt)
mental berry
@normal aspen can you give me the speedrunning role please?
thorn jasper
Btw can I refuse to get blue role now when i have run on leaderboards
yes, you can opt out if you wish
stray kestrel
gp is hard, i hate it
livid stirrup
Greenpath is just looooong
Once I get to the room with the carriages in it I'm like "okay yes can we just get on with it"
granite field
Not gonna lie my very first runs were on Switch (just trying to follow any% route, no livesplit) and I struggled so much on greenpath. Couldn't even do 1 fireball skip. I think this was on early 2020
granite field
yeah Squit Skip once you have a consistent strat it's very useful
then later on, WK
I've almost surrender at this point lol
midnight storm
WK
twin swallow
Run 4 Mask Shards so you never have to leave crossroads
little kelp
110% 2 hour speedrun Steel Soul no healing besides benches, who's in?
stark stream
@twin swallow i don't even see 4 shards on the leaderboard
granite field
110% 2 hour speedrun Steel Soul no healing besides benches, who's in?
that sounds very hard, but I like the Idea 
I also had in mind a few weeks ago the special rule of no healing, it can be interesting but kind of broke by quitouts and all the stuff that heals you
little kelp
I'm just talking about no focus, and with a time limit you would waist time by quitouts
digital jewel
no focus isn't possible
you need to focus to absorb each of the dreamers and also radiance's infection at the end of the game
little kelp
No focus for healing outside of those cases
granite field
or maybe the goal is godhome ending? In that case I'm sure this would work
for strictly no focus, I mean
stark stream
@digital jewel no, you just don't focus for those things. it's a long run
digital jewel
hmm maybe you're right actually
stark stream
i heard that someone is still running the first dreamer š
jagged vault
GE is possible without focus
little kelp
Oof
steady lynx
It's basically just the dreamers that don't work
granite field
So you can either go for godhome ending or assume a special exception for this rule where you can use focus in dreamer rooms and after beating THK
little kelp
Exactly
granite field
and again in a purpose of an optimal run you would likely allow quitouts so that's easy heal
That would also mean you could technically quitout during WK to retry it
(or you just don't allow them and it's simplier IMO)
little kelp
Well that's true for all steel soul runs
granite field
My point is that with this rule you should not die at all so I suggest to not allow them
It could be more interesting in that way, in my opinion
and yeah you're right steelsoul runs use them I forgot lol
twin swallow
<@121787907978690563> i don't even see 4 shards on the leaderboard
it's on category extensions https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#4_Mask_Shards
wispy vessel
Does anyone know what xbox controller uhhhh input display people use for OBS when streaming?
digital jewel
š„“
twin swallow
is it not that one š¤
steady lynx
I think that's it
hearty adder
yeah the most popular one is that one
steady lynx
I wanted to look into it for PS4 since someone mentioned it was possible but meh
stark stream
ah i see!
stark stream
it's on category extensions https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#4_Mask_Shards
thanks!
i might do a short run like that just for funsies
twin swallow
category extensions have some nice runs to chill on if main category grind is giving you a bad day
stark stream
yea, speedrunning is fun to do in general
which is hilarious because i dont play my brother's games because i dont like the repetition in them
warm siren
Sp
stiff delta
Sp
neon island
Sp
feral hazel
Sp
lethal crest
Sp
warm siren
When the
knotty vigil
Youāre right sending the devil emoji feels cringe
knotty vigil
Didnāt say it was
uneven scarab
?srpsa
steady lynx
It's srpsa
sick ravenBOT
Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602
knotty vigil
Ok
warm siren
Ok
lethal crest
yeah
pretty big community
as you can see from my username i'm mostly just here for the art
stiff delta
This is meant for speedrunning
crystal relic
yes
median gull
Please do not shitpost in #speedrunning
thorn jasper
I don't even shitpost here
digital jewel
Wholesome
silver granite
oh huh
chilly pier
oi arthur
median gull
<@&283547423706447872>
steady lynx
FFS
median gull
tyvm mods we love you
normal aspen
u
charred sigil
u
crystal relic
mods are great
rich karma
help me 
median gull
i can give virtual hugs and love, does it help?
steady lynx
Wish I could Benji, but I have less of an idea on this than you
steady lynx
Didn't even have to ping that one
dry sluice
I didn't really process what it was, but it looked really bad from the glimpse I got so I just deleted it
warm siren
dry sluice
I unfortunately can only delete messages though so other than like awful shit I'll leave it to actualy mods so they can take better action
Yeah it seemed bad
ionic sparrow
it was bad yes
rich karma
Yeah banning them deletes their msg history too
plucky moss
Thanks allie 
ionic sparrow
stop bringing it up please
steady lynx
I should delete that message before more people imagine it
knotty vigil
so, I downpatched and got 1.2.2.1, but my nintendo switch pro controller doesn't seem to be recognized whatsoever by the downpatched version, zero inputs are registered.
I added it to steam, which has allowed my controller to work for other random non steam games, and even another downpatched game, yet it won't work at all with 1221 hollow knight.
I can go to current patch and my controller works just fine, so I am unsure what I could do to fix this
pls @ me if you can help
still belfry
What happened here?
steady lynx
1221 doesn't support switch pro controller
thorn jasper
What happened here?
#hk-meme leaked
hearty adder
so, I downpatched and got 1.2.2.1, but my nintendo switch pro controller doesn't...
Get joy2key, the pro controller isn't compatible on- yeah what gusten said š
knotty vigil
is there a tutorial for this?
still belfry
<#736153071218065508> leaked
Elaborate
hearty adder
Whatever other program that can map controller inputs to keyboard should work
knotty vigil
tbh that makes me rly worried, the only way I've gotten switch pro controller to work with games is through steam
idk how tf switch pro can just NOT WORK with the downpatched version, because it works with games that obviously weren't meant for it
like, why doesn't it work, is it known?
median gull
Elaborate
yes, let's go to #off-topic i'll explain over there
knotty vigil
is there a PC runner that uses switch pro controller?
grizzled maple
Plenty, why do you ask?
grizzled maple
You have to map the inputs to keyboard inputs using a program like joy2key
Its the only way since the new gen controllers weren't supported yet
Used to just be switch pro but people are realizing with ps5 controllers now too
knotty vigil
have you used switch pro yourself?
crystal relic
How do you downpatch
median gull
knotty vigil
because for me, a long time issue has been any program reading a constant stream of random inputs that renders them unplayable
like, I can't play any game with switch controller, but if I try to map stuff in joy 2 key, it does the same thing
so when I'm mapping the a button, the box is like
abbbababbbb+++Aaaaa+++><><>>>^^^
as soon as I click something to map, bam, input that isnt mine takes it up
hasn't been an issue i had to deal with since I've gotten the controller to work with everything else
but back when I did, I tried double checking vjoy and stuff wasnt on my pc, uninstalling, all this stuff
grizzled maple
Hmm I havent tried to remap a switch pro but I have remapped my xbone controller to play among us with it. I would wait and see if someone more familiar knows what could be wrong.
knotty vigil
so I would prefer if I could talk to someone who runs 1.2.2.1 with it
stark stream
twas going so well
i think imma start doing runs that start at hecker knights. i need more practice w the second half of the run and focusing just on it might help
hearty adder
That's a good idea, more often than not people only practice the first half and then get too burned out
pointing at myself here
prime delta
it is possible to speedrun on anything
obtuse dome
I'm getting quicker, but hornet is unimpressed
lethal agate
I just beat Pantheon 1 in 3:27.20!!
quiet pollen
can I just record a run and show the time from the credits or do I need the liveSplit to be able to submit it
or AutoSplit
weary root
Console timing uses real time (the ingame timer is pretty broken)
maiden bane
We don't use in-game time, partially because it can be manipulated to be basically anything
I think for recording a console run you don't need a timer because it's timed real time with loads anyway, I think I see a couple runs on the boards without a splitter
stark stream
@hearty adder do you think using debug mod is fine?
Like are there actual gameplay differences? Asking because of save states and stuff
Would be annoying to do have to keep a certain back up to make sure you start at the same time without having to run up to that point multiple times
quiet pollen
Thanks
analog monolith
question, is it possible to make an exception for load normalizer for src submissions
it's a mod but also prbably the only feasible way i could run the game
formal bough
loadnormalizer? didn't that just add loadtimes
grizzled maple
There is a legal load normalizer for 1221 now that I believe several people are using for this tournament
It doesnt use the modding api
But yeah im not sure you would actually want to have it on if its not for competitions because it just makes loads really long.
hearty adder
<@230832374202630154> do you think using debug mod is fine?
You can't use any mods dependant on moddingAPI (like debug) during recorded runs for the leaderboards because it changes the game performance
But like, just using it for practice is 100% ok
grizzled maple
The only exception is regarding specific glitched categories that need super long loads.
stark stream
@hearty adder we are talking about a half-only practice
@grizzled maple It's just for practicing the back half of any% to stop getting burned out on the front half when the back needs work
formal bough
btw emray isn't a huge fan of pings as they moderate a bunch of servers so usually only get pinged for fires to put out. anyway I just wanted to say that when the message was just "@ emray it" I was so confused I was just scrolling up "did emray use a pronoun to refer to you and you were indicating it as preference" because I had no clue
short spire
also please use the reply feature instead of pinging people
knotty vigil
What's the difference 
median gull
You can reply without pinging
so they know you're talking to them and you even specify what message you're replying to
stray kestrel
click this
knotty vigil
it was a joke
stark stream
oops sorry emray
trail comet
im downpatched to 1.2.2.1, but for some reason when i start my game i cant use my nail unless i go reset it in my binding, and it takes 5 seconds out of my run. Is there a good fix to this?
yea
is that why?
stark stream
does anyone know how to make livesplit start at a different time automatically? I want it to start automatically when i break the chandalier before watcher knights, but it wont start the run when i do so unfortunately
stark stream
i am using it
verbal stag
does anyone know how to make livesplit start at a different time automatically? ...
you can have a dummy split at the beginning then manually start
stark stream
wdym
verbal stag
then just count the time from the autosplit on
stark stream
i want it to start when first loading the game or when i break the chandalier. preferably when the chandalier breaks
verbal stag
yeah you can't make it auto start on any split except when loading into kp afaik
verbal stag
so like if you want to time wk fight starting from chandelier, set up an autosplit for chandelier and wk
stark stream
i did that, but it doesnt start the timer
verbal stag
yes you have to start it manually
stark stream
aight.
verbal stag
so start it, then hit chandelier
stark stream
imma be late for work over this lmao
trail comet
uh
can anyone help with the code thingy?
im trying to figure out how to make it so i dont have to keep rebinding my keybinds
to be more specific
i was givena download but idk how to set it up
short spire
the instructions in the linked message are pretty thorough
trail comet
im no good at coding, sorry
short spire
if the terminal is open it's working
harsh mason
but what do i put in
trail comet
ido i just keep the terminal open while playing ig?
short spire
yes
trail comet
and i hope its allowed for speedrun.com as well?
short spire
yes
verbal stag
yes
short spire
knotty vigil
Does anyone here use Nintendo switch pro controller in 1.2.2.1 for runs?
verbal stag
it's not supported on old patches so you have to map the inputs to keyboard with joy2key or something similar
knotty vigil
have you done it yourself?
knotty vigil
is there an example of one of those people
joy2key doesnāt function with pro controller, like a lot of other programs (other people I know have this same issue so itās not like a thing specific to me)
because thereās this strange bug where when you play games it will just rapidly do a ton of random inputs
makes binding anything impossible
Iāve only been able to use it for games by adding them through steam, steam makes it work properly
small verge
is there anyone who can help with explosion pogo? i know it's a harder skip but i can never do it consistently and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong
formal bough
current patch or 1.2.2.1?
small verge
oh sry current patch
formal bough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdfFMLblz4 is a good video I think
(if you haven't watched it)
small verge
thanks i have seen that one actually, think something about the setup i can't seem to grasp i'm never in the right spot to pogo the thing i just whiff and fall to the ground. i've been practicing emray's setup and i get it every once in awhile but usually miss it
small verge
yea it looks pretty precise i'm probably not at that point yet with speedrunning
formal bough
It saves I think like 25-35 seconds depending on your movement?
small verge
going around to mantis village is annoying xD
i probably just need to keep practicing thank god for debug mod
analog monolith
But yeah im not sure you would actually *want* to have it on if its not for comp...
probably faster than 50 second load times for 1 room lol
snow dome
https://gamepadviewer.com/
Well somebody really likes Black Flag
twin swallow
though I do see the resemblance, I'm pretty sure black flag do not own the rights to the colours black and white, or the rectangle as a shape
who knows, maybe they're gamers at heart I guess
weary root
probably faster than 50 second load times for 1 room lol
I've been thinking about your problem with the fungal transition. Often HK has problem the first time you load a room/boss after opening the game. Often this results in inconsistent loads.
Do you know if it only happens the first run or has it happened again after loading that room (without quitting the game)?
analog monolith
it happens only on the first run
weary root
Yeah
So if you have a dummy file at leg eater bench, you can load that up, enter that room, then do your run and you should be fone
Fine
analog monolith
it seems to happen every vertical downwards room transition :(
weary root
I'm assuming you've tried clearing the registry, reinstalling the game etc?
sick ravenBOT
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
weary root
The annoying solution is to go through every room that gives you this issue before starting a run. You could do it on your casual file to have all movement/stags which would make it faster but it's still very annoying
stark stream
@knotty vigil i did
i highly dont recommend it
The joy2key never really matches. the dpad might not work, some inputs will do others, the movement stick will trigger right if you go left too fast, etc
Everything adds up to make using it really uncomfy. buy a $15 wired xbox 360 controller on amazon
haughty fossil
Everything adds up to make using it really uncomfy. buy a $15 wired xbox 360 con...
alternative: treat yourself to an xbox series controller, feels nice 
harsh mason
buy a $200 custom built hitbox
short spire
or simply switch to the input method we all know is the one true way, whether that be consciously or subconsciously āØļø
haughty fossil
fun fact: i tried to do dark deepnest on keyboard yesterday. was not a great experience
snow dome
Dark Deepnest isn't a great experience on any device, though
haughty fossil
its fun on controller 
dusk timber
imagine using controller 
dusk timber
amen
haughty fossil
i play using a virtualboy vr gaming console personally
regal viper
Can you pogo on the explosion gas in cp?
I allways get the first pogo but never the one when the proyectile already exploded
frigid rapids
you can't
frigid rapids
you either go around (+20s), do the panta setup (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdfFMLblz4) or the vsync setup (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U)
frigid rapids
np
knotty vigil
Hey can someone help me pls where do i find the links and stuff for downpatching?
normal aspen
knotty vigil
oh thanks :))
regal viper
I'm pixels away of the floor, epogo is not for me
patent quartz
PB by almost 10 minutes, very happy! I think it is quite clear where I messed up last time...
Think I'll sumbit a recorded run soon
old sphinx
patent quartz
Ik, but discord broke on pc, so i just took a photo with my phone
granite field
so many golds 
snow dome
I just got a 1:06:47 yesterday then you go show me up with this nonsense. š
granite field
GG Fine_Boi
snow dome
Things like having a sum of best time that benches neither before nor after Lantern
Or just Herrah being Herrah
meager current
ah
median gull
tami, what does hld stand for?
meager current
so when i bench before lantern one time and after the next time and get a gold by like 1 second would that be fake gold?
median gull
yes
meager current
ah ok
snow dome
tami, what does hld stand for?
Hyper Light Drifter
median gull
ty
snow dome
(AKA best game š )
open laurel
Heresy
meager current
True
steady lynx
Have you played it?
grizzled maple
probably faster than 50 second load times for 1 room lol
I stared at this for a bit trying to understand what it meant. And you dont understand what the load normalizer DOES I think. It EXTENDS the load to make it match a fair extension with someone else's so that a race would be fair. We up that number when someone has a really terrible pc. It does not make loads shorter. It is specifically a mod for races.
Side note if youre getting 50 second loads you almost definitely have bigger problems. Thats unheard of for even the most potato pcs.
grizzled maple
This is a conversation from last night. They're on pc asking if the mods would allow modding api for an exception to use load normalizer. Im trying to figure out why someone would want that
median gull
I think it is in 1028
grizzled maple
The new one yes, not the one this person wanted
median gull
but in 1221 it is a separate mod that depends on modding api
meager current
The new one yes, not the one this person wanted
ah
median gull
oh ty em, didn't know about that
limpid ruin
~~but in 1221 it is a separate mod that depends on modding api~~
Load normaliser isn't, n-Ah, ninja edit 
grizzled maple
There was a vote a while ago. Theres an api-less 1221 version now. Thing is... if your loads are 50 seconds that won't help you lol
meager current
you could change your loads to 1 minute instead of 50 seconds maybe
steady lynx
Yay?
haughty fossil
consistency
steady lynx
It can't make loads faster, it can only make them slower
hallow charm
Galaxy brain
steady lynx
Imagine if TC could optimize stuff, then we'd barely have loads
haughty fossil
just preload everything š š š
steady lynx
I have, my switch has been on for two weeks
harsh mason
you would probably have no loads at all if this game was optimised
besides when you turn it on
steady lynx
Maybe at most like half a second for massive rooms if even that
grizzled maple
valid. knowing how to do it tho so you can practice when/if you get more serious is Pog
mental berry
nice!
regal viper
valid. knowing how to do it tho so you can practice when/if you get more serious...
Pog me then lol
Thanks guys
steady lynx
I wish for Hollow Knight to understand that no matter how many gruzers I hit on the way down, I am getting that inventory drop
low bramble
It becomes personal after a certain point
quiet pollen
is it possible to inventory drop on console
haughty fossil
not in the same way as 1221 speedruns
you have to do it on the same frame as leaving a ledge
steady lynx
I legit just inventory dropped from the third platform from the bottom but those idiots won't stop me from inventory dropping
quiet pollen
ok thanks
sinful turtle
ey just wondering, since im planing to beat steel soul as a speedrun, the upgrades needed are
shadecloak, crystal dash, dream nail, and mantis claw right?
like, the bare minimum amount of items
digital jewel
no you don't need shade cloak at all
sinful turtle
then how do you get to the archive?
hearty adder
If you want the bare minimum, check the low% any% route
meager current
You use a cdash skip
granite field
usually getting to archives requiere an acid skip with Cdash
meager current
^
granite field
Or isma's tear but it's slower
meager current
My wording wasn't very good 
sinful turtle
neat, neat
granite field
it can be hard to figure out how to do acid skips consistently, I highly recommend to install debug mode and practice a bit before starting
If you're on PC of course
hearty adder
Gladly the acid skip to get to Fog Canyon isn't as hard as others
sinful turtle
nah imma run on xbox
all i really know about speedruning atm is fireballin and skiping hard lands
so imma do some major research
meager current
Skipping hard falls is mainly only viable on pc becuase of downpatching really (
me if I'm wrong, k?)
meager current
I mean it's barely possible becuase of single frametiming
sinful turtle
as we have to time it when we hit the ground instead of before
hearty adder
On 1221 you can do inventory drops anywhere, on cp you can only do it when falling off ledges
hearty adder
There's an any% nmg guide by fireb0rn, though it's for regular runs and not steel soul. The main difference being that the any% route uses a shade skip to get to blue lake
granite field
yeah for console you shouldn't base on 1221 but rather 1432 runs. It's pretty much the same for console
meager current
It's almost the same route, just different strats
granite field
I think the only difference between 1432 pc and console is the frame rate? (Being able to change it)
meager current
I think?
vocal dove
you can't turn off Vsync on console
chrome bramble
Does anyone know the Cp all skills route
chrome bramble
thanks
dreamy token
someone please help me downpatch with gog
it just shows this
i watched fireb0rn's tutorial aswell
hold on
i need to reinstall
im downpatching with gog
somone please help me
digital jewel
you own the game on gog?
dreamy token
i own it on steam
digital jewel
ok
dreamy token
i imported it from steam
digital jewel
very interesting that you're trying to downpatch the game on gog then
digital jewel
I have bad news for you
dreamy token
?
digital jewel
it's the only thing that won't work
dreamy token
i apparently
hold on a sec
can you gimme the steam downpatch to 1.22.1 code?
wait i think its on speedrun.com
found it
hold on i need the depot
manifest*
haughty fossil
its all on speedrun.com
dreamy token
yeah i found it
steady lynx
Couldn't get any runs past epogo today, and I'd rather not continue if I mess that up, meh
steady lynx
My most inconsistent is Mothwing cloak somehow
My most consistent are everything after Hornet 2 except Nosk
meager current
My most inconsistent split is WK
fossil crater
nice
knotty vigil
How do i get there to be installations??(to downpatch the game)
digital jewel
you can't downpatch through gog if you don't own the game on gog
knotty vigil
i have it on steam tho
digital jewel
who is telling you otherwise? because you're the 2nd person today trying to do that
knotty vigil
how do i get it on gog
ionic sparrow
buy it on gog
knotty vigil
oh...
digital jewel
if you want to downpatch and you own the game on steam then you need to use a method for steam
knotty vigil
ok
digital jewel
has someone told you differently?
knotty vigil
i just did not know that
:((
thanks anyways
Soul Tyrant keeps getting me and ruining my runs :(
leaden python
we really should add this owning the game on gog thingie to the FAQ
short spire
"to play the game on gog, you need to have the game on gog" 
thorn jasper
to be fair, one could easily read the "gog method" as "hey, use this gog thing to downpatch your game"
leaden python
I think the confusion comes from the fact that gog galaxy can seamlessly display steam library by just connecting your steam account
and you can play/uninstall/install games from there without opening your steam interface
This is what gog lets you do with your steam library
regal viper
Is the glitch where you advance in the wall cling state because of doors openning possible on CP?
torpid pollen
no
leaden python
it's kinda possible, but isn't really useful. You get an extra wall jump, but you don't keep your dash momentum
torpid pollen
yeah ok, i think i heard someone say you just get the wall cling only, so i assumed that meant you dont get it
meager current
ye its just a tiny bit more precise i think
regal viper
Cool
grizzled maple
It's a little more than a tiny bit, but yeah
meager current
a tiny bit is subjective
grizzled maple
I would say "free" to "you have to do nearly perfectly timed dashes" is a pretty big jump
they didn't intentionally patch it though, you just get control later on cp everywhere
meager current
you do realise that i am bad at this game and its hard for me so to me its 'quite precise' to 'extremely precise'
deft flame
point is, its a very considerable difference
grizzled maple
How I mean it is that even at a high level people aren't 100% at cp seer skip. At a high level on 1221 it is 100%
torpid pollen
i have done seer skip once on cp
dreamy bough
bless categories where you get to do seer skip skip, aka save quit
deft flame
if you just spam dash in 1221 do you usually get the skip or nah?
normal aspen
1221 seer skip is just autopilot after you spend like 2 mins learning it, where a I can count on one hand the times I've done it on CP (admittedly from far less attempts but point stands)
grizzled maple
I've never gotten it a single time on console but trombone has and I was super impressed. Console is omega tight
torpid pollen
all i did was spam menu and then spam dash
normal aspen
Yeah 1221 you can just mash it
torpid pollen
worked out somehow
deft flame
Yeah 1221 you can just mash it
i see
yeah i'd call it not subjectively a very big difference then
in CP i've tried many times both mashing and trying to get the timing and haven't hit it once
steady lynx
Console seer skip is so close to impossible so I don't even bother
I got extremely close like twice
vocal dove
it's still worth it to go for though. you're still closer to the exit than you would be.
pure vault
I mean, if the timer isnāt loadless (which it obv isnāt) you might be losing more time to pausing and unpausing than being closer to the right saves you