speedrunning

[harsh mason]

on 1.0.2.8 i had 12minutes of loads in any%

[meager current]

sadly there isnt

[snow dome]

112% has almost no changes at the top

[meager current]

[harsh mason]

that would be very easy to do

you're just not allowed to run with mods so its not allowed

[frigid rapids]

Veru's low% NSOOB has a whole day of loading

[snow dome]

There's a file you can use to ensure your loads are consistently extended

It's not a mod

And is legal for the boards as of soon tm

[harsh mason]

if you want igt to work, you just replace the shitty code tc has

[haughty fossil]

to be fair, srcom does state in their site rules that mods to a game's files should be used extremely sparingly, and only when required. the load extender for old AG made sense, since that was load dependent, and then the same for the new tourney load extender

[harsh mason]

with the exact same code the splitter does

as it just looks at the games vars, and is written is c#

[meager current]

so just grab livesplits code and yeet it into igt files

[harsh mason]

so you can straight up load up dnspy, copy and paste and it works correct

[haughty fossil]

you'd also need to display that the timer is fixed in endgame screen though

to distinguish between vanilla and timer assembly

[dreamy bough]

very 🐌 but i see the "no benching till salubra" and
Cries in any% steel soul (no benching from hot spring bench to dreamnail)

[snow dome]

Is benching at Hot Springs after you get Cloak a quicker quit out after Claw?

Has this been timed?

[dreamy bough]

oh, not those hot springs

deepnest

[snow dome]

Sure

But like

...

Is it?

You skip exiting Ancestral, then the drop down in mound entrance, then the drop down and cut right

[weary root]

huh

[snow dome]

In exchange you have to go to the top right and bench, then go back

That seems shorter

[haughty fossil]

its longer since you have dash the second time around

[digital jewel]

it's been timed and it's slower yeah

[snow dome]

Damn

[meager current]

ye but who timed it

[mighty rain]

Is 17 mins to get the mantis claw good?

[weary root]

after dash though, before claw?

[mighty rain]

I dont have a timer so i use the save file times

[meager current]

save file times dont work

[snow dome]

That's basically impossible to figure out then, sadly

[meager current]

team cherry spaghetti code

[haughty fossil]

if you're on windows, download livesplit
if you're not on windows, good luck

[snow dome]

My Claw RTA is 13:21 or something

And my Loadless is 12:05

So like, somewhere between that is the save file time

My SoB up to claw is not as good as the better time actual Pb's 🙃

[dreamy bough]

10:28/12:18 for me (some variation, geo rocks in crossroads/no vk, but should be somewhat comparable)

vk is probably much faster than both geo rocks + stag, so any% would be faster

[mighty rain]

I wont be able to get the program till at least the weekend

Im not doing it for a record or anything, Just for a challenge anyways

[meager current]

i do it because fun

and also bragging rights

[mighty rain]

Challenge = fun

I Just wanna know if its a good time, started proper today Btw

[meager current]

its a good time when not watcher knights

[mighty rain]

Wym

That sentence didnt make sense to me

[meager current]

when you arent having your run killed by the runkiller knights, its a good time

[mighty rain]

Gotcha

I had to reset because i took a wrong move in city of tears and soflocked myself

[meager current]

how did you softlock yourself

[mighty rain]

Soflock as far as speedrun goes

[meager current]

what happened

[mighty rain]

I didnt unlock a gate and i could go up or through the gate, i could only go to waterwats

[haughty fossil]

gate next to fountain

[meager current]

ah

[haughty fossil]

yeah that's generally not recommended

[mighty rain]

I dont have access to the tutorial im in school

So yeah

[snow dome]

Dying before you get to a bench in City is the fun run killer I used to have a lot

[haughty fossil]

watcher's spire bench real lifesaver when starting out

i still consistently take it early in all skills

[meager current]

i take bench for wk allways

[snow dome]

I take it for WK for sure

But I take King's Station in Any% also

[mighty rain]

Any reason not to take the bench? Apart from time save

[haughty fossil]

time save

[mighty rain]

Apart

[haughty fossil]

otherwise no, any% can take that bench freely

[snow dome]

It's optional, which means incorrect

👀

[harsh mason]

i dunno why you'd take spire bench

and kings station

[snow dome]

The King's bench costs like 8 seconds

[harsh mason]

only need to take one to prevent softlocking your self out of geo

[haughty fossil]

current patch runner wants free heal before great husk sentry in my case

[snow dome]

I used to take a lot of damage between Blue Lake and Gorgeous Husk

[harsh mason]

sorry i dont speak current patch

can you translate that into fast

[snow dome]

Walking into Gorgeous Husk with 2 masks sounds scary

[haughty fossil]

damage bad

health good

[harsh mason]

now can you translate that into french

[snow dome]

Damage le bad

Health le good

[harsh mason]

good is bon

[snow dome]

Sorry

[leaden python]

you forgot 🥖

[mighty rain]

Mal is bad

[snow dome]

Damage le bad
Bon le good

[harsh mason]

and also you have to start every sentence with oui oui

[haughty fossil]

dommage 🥖 mauvais
bonne 🥖 santé

[harsh mason]

por que no los dos?

[deft thorn]

so

if I break AS rekky by 11 minutes right now

I can still get a PB in for seed

[meager current]

[deft thorn]

that isn't third to last on the leaderboards

[haughty fossil]

damage ∩ health = damage ∪ health

[meager current]

sorry i cant do math

please say in simpleton language

[snow dome]

Isn't there only 36 minutes left?

[harsh mason]

damage ∩ health = damage ∪ health means damage = health

[snow dome]

So you would need annihilate the wr

[deft thorn]

yeah tami

that's why I said by 11 minutes

48-11 = 37

so it would be clutch

but I got this

[snow dome]

Reading comprehension

[meager current]

gl

[snow dome]

Is not my strong suit

Unlike French

[deft thorn]

oh wait did I say 48

I am dum dum

[meager current]

same

[deft thorn]

I literally watched monstah get wr

[harsh mason]

ask for an extension for your homework from the professor aprillomat

[haughty fossil]

if (damage && dealtToBoss || health && heroHasIt) return "good"; else return "bad";

[deft thorn]

@ ins0mnia can I please 👀

but nah, it's fine

I think last seed or whatever this will be is probably fine

for someone who has done 5 runs^^

[harsh mason]

return health > 0 ? "good" : "bad"

[meager current]

i still dont get that

[haughty fossil]

generally health <= 0 is indeed considered bad

[deft thorn]

if you are alive or boss is dead, good

if boss is alive or you is dead, bad

simple

[meager current]

ok

[harsh mason]

return health > 0 ? damageToBoss > 0 ? "good" : "bad" : "bad"

[deft thorn]

generally speaking, all of my runs start out bad, because bosses are all at full health and I know that my hp can only go down from there

[haughty fossil]

hits watcher knights once without getting hit fuck yeah

[harsh mason]

return health > 0 ? damageToBoss > 0 ? currentIGT < wr ? "good" : "really fucking bad" : "bad" : "bad"

god i love ternaries

i know 56 does too

please dm him long ternary chains

[meager current]

i like paradoxes within code but this stuff just confuses me

[haughty fossil]

katie please for the sake of my sanity separate your nested ternaries into separate lines

[deft thorn]

nesting ternaries

[meager current]

please do this

[harsh mason]

return health > 0 ?
 damageToBoss > 0 ?
 currentIGT < wr ? "good" : "really fucking bad" 
  : "bad" 
  : "bad"

[deft thorn]

(tbf it's cool if it's a list comprehension, list comprehensions are great and I can forgive any violation of style guidelines if it's to make a list comprehension more powerful)

ifllc

[harsh mason]

you cant really put them on mutliple lines

because i always setup my nested ternaries on true and not false

-return 
-  health <= 0 ? "bad" :
-  damageToBoss <= 0 ? bad :
+  currentIGT >= wr ? "good" :
-  "really fucking bad" 

[haughty fossil]

return health <= 0 ? "bad"
       : damageToBoss <= 0 ? "bad"
       : currentIGT < wr ? "good" 
       : "really fucking bad";

[harsh mason]

[haughty fossil]

i can't tell who's snail here

since clientside screwery

[meager current]

jamie you are the snail this time im afraid

[haughty fossil]

mine has syntax highlighting though so i have that going for me

[harsh mason]

you will have to commit hairy kirry

[meager current]

[harsh mason]

i gave mine red <= signs

does yours do that hmm

[haughty fossil]

what's up with the last one

(im guessing mercury uses << for less than operator?)

[harsh mason]

i dunno

[dreamy bough]

wait jamie you monster you don't parenthesise mixtures of && and ||

[meager current]

i dont know what that means :?

[haughty fossil]

oh wait my initial statement was straight up completely wrong

[harsh mason]

i made it darker

[haughty fossil]

if ((damage && dealtToBoss) || (health && heroHasIt)) return "good"; else return "bad";

[meager current]

[haughty fossil]

katie im not sure thats how syntax highlighting is supposed to work but i'll it anyway

[harsh mason]

if((health+damage)|dealtToBoss|heroHasIt) return "good"; return "bad";

its diff

• is removal, + is additions

[haughty fossil]

anyway, speedrunning channel

code bad, speed good

[meager current]

true

[harsh mason]

code good, speed bad, unless its my programs fps

[haughty fossil]

correction: my code bad

[meager current]

code bad in #speedrunning , code good in #modding-discussion , speed good in #speedrunning , speed bad in #modding-discussion

[harsh mason]

nah anything is good in modding discussion

except shitty memes

[haughty fossil]

speed still good in #archived-modding-development though

[snow dome]

Nothing in any of the three modding channels is good

Read the readme

[haughty fossil]

can't wait to start asking questions answered in the readme in #archived-modding-development

[harsh mason]

everyone does pepega stuff sometimes jamie

i had this in my code, and was wondering why it always nre'd after passing the first if

                if(lootFilterIdToStyle.containsKey(item.getItemId()))
                {
                    if(!lootFilterDataDictionary.get(lootFilterDataDictionary.get(item.getItemId())).shown) {
                        continue;
                    }
                }

[haughty fossil]

exclamation marks are hard

[harsh mason]

the exclamation mark is fine

[haughty fossil]

oh

oh

[dark blaze]

what happened here

i was doing a run and then my save just vanished

after i quitout from mothwing

[meager current]

strange

[haughty fossil]

will smith decided you were getting too good times

[meager current]

were you recording it?

[haughty fossil]

vs gold? not permissible in a pb

[dark blaze]

no i wasnt recording it

[meager current]

rip

[dark blaze]

I am happy any daay to give will smith my golds

[meager current]

but ye will smith from team cherry said no

[dark blaze]

im on GOG and i just downpatched from there so idk what went wrong

[meager current]

i love will smith copypastas so much

hey guys, will smith here from team cherry. did you know that you can heal by holding down the b button?

[autumn parrot]

Hey im new at this speedrunning things so i download LiveSplit i watched fire's video but it doesnt working

[rotund jackal]

Make sure you have at least one autosplit setup, that you're comparing against game time and that you launched livesplit after hk is fully loaded

[meager current]

open hk then livesplit and make sure that you have the autosplitter set up

[autumn parrot]

Can i send a video?

[rotund jackal]

Sure

[snow dome]

You can just screenshot your Edit Splits screen

[rotund jackal]

Click on "activate" in the edit splits window

Also I'm not sure giving yourself things with debug triggers autosplits

[meager current]

1. im pretty sure giving yourself things through debug doesnt trigger it
2. turn on the autosplitter and add the autosplits

ok imma just snail every message i send trying to answer a question from now on because i cant type fast enough

[autumn parrot]

so ı am a dumb the timer doesnt starts now ?

sorry for bothering too ı should probably give up

[rotund jackal]

No dw

Restart livesplit (with everything saved) and start a new save file

And don't forget to add one autosplit in settings

[meager current]

ye it cant be an old save

[autumn parrot]

now it looks like this

ıts working but ı have a problem too when i open LiveSplit the timer doesnt show up in game i need to do alt+tab for looking the timer

[rotund jackal]

You want to launch hk in borderless windowed mode : add -popuwindow to the launch arguments in steam

[dreamy bough]

you are playing fullscreen? if so, second monitor to see timer afaik v:

or that

[rotund jackal]

And set livesplit to always on top

[dreamy bough]

also fyi you are missing some autosplits

[rotund jackal]

But yeah second monitor is optimal

[autumn parrot]

okay thank you so much :3

[rotund jackal]

:)

[snow dome]

Your splits are not correct, FYI

You also don't want end triggering auto split and do want ordered splits

[tardy sable]

why is every run i do with a gold vs always busted

Literally impossible

[steady lynx]

Rule 1 of Hollow knight speedruns, if VS golds you're getting at least five spits

[meager current]

gold vs = 4/5 next splits will be red

you know how it be

snail shaman curses you because you speedran ancestral mound

[tardy sable]

Oh well, it’s ok

[whole glade]

knight is just like, well i was going fast....

[versed elbow]

Why does this speak to me on a personal level?

[normal aspen]

my vs gold had a 13 spit baldur after

[meager current]

speedrunners: use a very fast route
team cherry: no. no. no. we gave you so much routes, and you chose the worst one?!?

it do be team cherry hating speedrunners tho

[regal viper]

I just did my 10th run up to Hornet without dying in a row, time to learn mantis claw

[meager current]

me: ok time for exp pogo
sporg: no

[real mortar]

I’m going for the speed run achievements what’s the best order to get the dreamers

[normal aspen]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[real mortar]

What

[deft thorn]

#speedrunning message

[stark stream]

why can't my ocd loops do something when i need it to smh

sometimes my ocd makes me do the exact same movements/patterns over and over, and that would be amazing for memorizing the memory of some skips

[dusk portal]

Are disabled mods ok for speedrunning or do I need to uninstall them?

[digital jewel]

<@&283547423706447872>

[whole meadow]

sigh

[dim swallow]

xd

[normal aspen]

o7

[whole meadow]

ata

[potent mountain]

@rare sail don't spam reacts 🙂

[normal aspen]

Stats padded

[jagged vault]

@dusk portal if you're planning on submitting anywhere else than the modded leaderboards, you can not have any mods or the modding api on your game

[stark stream]

ngl i read that and wondered why a mod specifically being disabled would disqualify them but then remembered it meant like hk mods and not someone's mental disability

[jagged vault]

the modding api changes the game in some minor ways, so you need to have an install where the api isn't present for your runs to me valid

[dusk portal]

Ok, thanks!

[jagged vault]

i believe there's a section in the downpatching guide on SRcom that covers having multiple installs of the game

[stark stream]

i basically just copy pasted the depot files myself. not sure how others do it

[limpid ruin]

Ngl I love having a "disability" (adhd in my case) and just that there are some parts like that where my traits lead to positive stuff and results

[stark stream]

my mental illnesses are the spice to the dry chicken that is my personality

a lil adhd for quirkiness, a bit of ocd and having uwu as a tick, and a fuck ton of depression to make me not wanna live

oh and the anxiety for needing to be told what to do since decisions are hard

[fervent dock]

Most notable change with just the Modding API is that you can pause and unpause whenever, meanwhile Base game only lets you pause and unpause after delays

[pearl holly]

any tips on how to do the queens gardens skip?

[knotty vigil]

not from me, im having issues with it myself. But i'd just recommend practice, thats what im doing

[pearl holly]

ok

[rugged crow]

debug mod, it takes some practice to get used too

[knotty vigil]

i cant have debug on switch

big rip

[granite field]

practicing on debug mode or if you're on console, well unfortunately you'll either have to manually try and heal on stuff around or get the Hiveblood charm equipped and wait for the heal if you want Infinite retries

[versed elbow]

If I had access to debug I'd know E-Pogo

[haughty fossil]

you can farm the enemies outside qga's room for soul if you have dream nail

or even without

[granite field]

oh yeah Dnail is a good Idea too

[versed elbow]

Just first try it 5head

[fervent dock]

Wait can you even do it on console?

I thought CP cut QGA out.

[versed elbow]

QGA? Yes you can do it

[dreamy token]

i've never ran this game before

uh

how do i install the speedrun mod

and what does it do

btw im doing any% nmg

[snow dome]

You do not need any mods

[dreamy token]

ok

[snow dome]

To run Any% NMG you cannot have mods installed

[dreamy token]

well i saw it on fireb0rn's discord server and i was like

what is that

[snow dome]

Speedrun Mod is a mod that changes some of the features of the game to make it work

[dreamy token]

ah

so like

[snow dome]

But it is not allowed for actual speedruns

<_<

[dreamy token]

if i were doing all glitches

is it still banned?

[hallow orchid]

yes on the main boards

[dreamy token]

im gonna go get my controller

brb

[hallow orchid]

there is only one mod allowed on the main boards and it is to extend loads in a glitched category. The speedrun mod is I believe still somewhat in development? But either has or will have a place on the modded boards

[dreamy token]

kk

im gonna see if i can get a sub 20 first run

btw how do i inventory drop in latest v

[pearl holly]

you need 1.2.2.1 patch

[formal bough]

it is a physics frame perfect you have to do it the instant you leave the ledge

[granite field]

CP inventory drops are different, you need to time your inventory opening right off ledges in order to do them.
But yeah Inv drops mid-air need 1221

If you are on PC you should look at this if you want to downpatch https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[light summit]

hey i just downpatched the game and it´s running, but it doesn´t register my controller. I´m using a ps4 controller with usb cable and i can skip the intro cutscene but no other inputs are taken Edit:solved

[dusk portal]

I was training my Pantheons for the last 2 hours and I found a glitch with the Dung Defender (similar to the one where you are able to hit him while he is shouting), I hit him and he fell and started to shout at the same time, resulting in my character being able to hit him while he shouts. (I don't know if someone found it before or if this will ever be useful)

[hallow orchid]

yes this is known and used in the pantheon speedruns actually (and 112% runs), we call it scream skipping

it also works if you take damage as he screams

[granite field]

does it also work for his phase 2 scream?

[hallow orchid]

yep, that's the one being referenced here

if you stagger him as he screams for phase 2 it skips the scream

[dusk portal]

I knew about the damage way to skip his scream but not about this one, not really useful tho because as soon as I hit him he got back up and started attacking

[hallow orchid]

it's still faster than sitting through the scream, and it can be timed consistently which is nice

[granite field]

there is a few other bosses where you can scream skip, like brooding Mawlek on 1221 patch

and THK iirc

[dreamy bough]

Collector, too

[spare jungle]

Any tips for vengeful spirit skip in greenpath

[deft thorn]

practice

turn around at the apex of your jump

but it's really hard, so don't expect to get it in the first half or hour or so of practicing

and also, what I found helpful, only change the directional input right before you want to fire, then immediately fire and let go of directional inputs until you have input your final fireball, then press left again

[median gull]

First one doesn't have to be in the apex of your jump, it can be after you start falling a bit (which is easier imo)

the other 2 have to be on the apex of your jump tho

[deft thorn]

I find the second one the easiest

it's also the most important in terms of timesave, right?

eric takes like 5 seconds

[old sphinx]

Use quick cast

[dreamy bough]

third one saves the most time i think

[median gull]

3rd one saves more time, but because eric exists

[dreamy bough]

also yeah what zvii said, delay the first one by, like, a ton

[limpid ruin]

Turn around AFTER the apex of the jump

[dreamy bough]

fall about like half

[formal bough]

I mean no eric pogo vs fireball skip then that saves the most time but since eric is there

[limpid ruin]

never before or during. The main pro of shooting the fireball is often not the pushback, but how it sets fallspeed to 0 so you have to accelerate again

[hallow orchid]

The backup for the third isn't very slow, that's faster than Eric pogo. Going all the way around on the third might be slower though

[old sphinx]

if eric is the husk, he's never on the left when we need him to be there

[hallow orchid]

Eric is the squit

[deft thorn]

only the first one? explains why I never get it :D

[hallow orchid]

Just run on cp pharest the husk is always there

[limpid ruin]

Especially the first fb skip

[hallow orchid]

The first skip you want to fall quite a bit

[limpid ruin]

But also the others, even if way less pronounced

[golden bobcat]

I've been stuck on WK for an hour now

Any help?

[hallow orchid]

WK are one of the biggest pain points of any% if that's what you're running. I'd recommend fire's video from his any% tutorial series, if goes into the fight in detail

[dark blaze]

Line your fireballs to hit both of them

And try to consistently double hit the rolls, its a good damage point

[echo wagon]

I submitted an all skills run (https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/yo933n0y), so according to the pins I can now ask for a speedrunner role? Is that still the procedure?

[dark blaze]

And yeah like mathalu said, check fireb0rns speedrunning guide for it

[limpid ruin]

its verified, so now just gotta bug the mods

[echo wagon]

Right, yeah was just double checking whether that's still the procedure. Cause I thought I also saw some ?rank stuff the other day 🙂

[echo wagon]

But in that case: <@&284848710960021504> ?

[limpid ruin]

oh yee, the ?role (i think thats the command?) stuff is completely independent, but can give access to a couple channels like randomizers

[echo wagon]

I right, okay 🙂

[limpid ruin]

for doing rando races and such, also one for speedrunning races (its never used )

[haughty fossil]

speedrun racer is the "i want to see #randomizer but don't want to be pinged" role wdym cerpin

wait no that's speedrunner

[deft thorn]

actually Speedrunner gives access to all but the racing voice channels

[echo wagon]

Thanks to whoever gave me access 😄

[spare jungle]

Ok. Thanks

[stark stream]

did pretty good on platforming but today i also suck at bosses so it balances on my garbage

also almost did qga like 5 times but didn't stick the landing

failed uuwuu like three times, thk like three, and hecker knights 2 times.

[hollow mesa]

it happens to everyone

do a part of the route you're good at for fun, maybe take a break for a day or two

[vocal dove]

i noticed that spellless is on the leaderboard now

does anyone have routing for this? the shade skip to salubra shouldn't be that hard right?

it's basically a TE shade style skip?

[hallow orchid]

Salubra skip is not hard at all. The hard part is killing the baldur with either longnail or dreamshield

[vocal dove]

yeah the bandit kill is frame perfect right?

[hallow orchid]

It's not TE style btw you just pogo the shade

[vocal dove]

lol baldur *

[hallow orchid]

With longnail it's close to frame perfect. Dreamshield is more lenient

[vocal dove]

oh okay i thought you had to parry the shade slash

[hallow orchid]

You can do it that way if you want, but it's not necessary to just get to salubra

They do that in GH% because you need to preserve the shade's health

[vocal dove]

okay thanks! but i guess if i do the dreamshield way i'd have to do clawless dashless shade skip right?

i might try to do longnail and see how that goes

[hallow orchid]

No dreamshield grinds for lantern for 20 minutes

Clawless dashless needs VS to stall so you can't do it spell less

Dreamshield is the easier route for sure

[wooden rivet]

how many dashes do you have to do before cdashing would have been better? this number is pretty low right

thank you

[digital jewel]

to be clear it's more than 4

[meager current]

guys what categories should i run next

[steady lynx]

Godhome Ending

[meager current]

i havent even beaten p5 before

[formal bough]

low% GE

[wooden rivet]

sealed siblings ending

[formal bough]

okay but low% is fun

[jagged vault]

have you considered trying all skills?

[steady lynx]

ASS (All Stag Stations)

[jagged vault]

it shouldn't be to hard to hop onto after any%

don't listen to gusten

i've run it, not a good idea

[meager current]

ass

[jagged vault]

(jokes aside, i love ASS to bits tbh)

[steady lynx]

It's just that one cursed shade skip

[jagged vault]

oh no don't take that out of context now

lol

not just that

[wooden rivet]

you could always run randomizer on the "everything" preset too

thats assuming you memorized the location of every soul totem of course

[jagged vault]

optimal route does full darknest from fungal, then back up through darknest to mask maker entrance

fun times

[meager current]

i have now taken it out of context

[stiff delta]

Lets gooooooo

[meager current]

little did you know i asked for cat recommendations just so i could find a new joke

[snow dome]

I love that Soul Totems was the thing you chose here

[wooden rivet]

given that there are hidden soul totems in the path of pain

[hollow mesa]

10th

this was try 6 or 7. I messed up my splits and reset them

[snow dome]

Unlike the hidden Geo rocks in every room 👀

[wooden rivet]

true

[snow dome]

I should do some pantheon runs

Maybe I'll do that tomorrow

[wooden rivet]

i put together a checklist for that by scene name and that helped a lot with geo rocks

[hollow mesa]

p4's the best one

p3 is cursed lol

[formal bough]

people do rando with geo rocks and soul totems. People know where they are

[snow dome]

Anything without Sly is fine in my book.

[snow dome]

Geo rocks are a myth

[hollow mesa]

like p3 has sly, uwu, zote, and hu

p4 has all the fun bosses and markoth

[fervent dock]

Tami you'll be pleased to know that the current route I'm trying out in my any% runs completely removes the need to even talk to sly

[haughty fossil]

dark deepnest

[fervent dock]

Dark deepnest isn't hard if you do it a few times with light

The only problem is the 2nd room with the platform, but I found that if you enter the room and just hold left and do two dashes asap, you hit the platform without needing to think about it

Cause if you miss that platform your run just dies

[hollow mesa]

dark deepnest

[snow dome]

Dark Deepnest is an All Skills staple

But you also have Wings there so you basically cannot miss the platform

I did fall down in Distant Village today, though. I got very lost on the way back up, died, then lost a further 3m collecting Geo to get the Stag out.

[unique wedge]

Quick Question.
Considering learning Any% NMG CP Console (PS4)
Saw 2 ways to enter deepnest on two recently posted runs:
one via QG w/ Isma's Skip in the PC run and the second via F.Wastes Breakaway floor on the console run.

What are the adv/dis to both? is one preferred over the other? How do they time out?

Thanks 🙂

[digital jewel]

the queen's garden method is around 40s faster if done well

but the skip into queen's gardens is very difficult

[snow dome]

If you're just starting, I highly suggest Deepnest route.

But QGA (Queens Garden Acid skip) is the technically optimal way.

[unique wedge]

I see. considering first run territory is going to be well over 1h I wont take a much harder skip for 40s of time save lol. Thanks a ton.

[limpid ruin]

and queen's garden itself is very difficult, and requires one intentional dmg tank aka you (optimally) have 1 hp less for Beast's Den, which is a horrible horrible place

[snow dome]

Fwiw, 40s is generous. If you can do both optimally, it's 40s, but I find the Queen's Gardens Route harder anyway after the skip, so it definitely didn't save me 40s

[snow dome]

Yes what the Queen said

[unique wedge]

Queens Garden on Sword 1 and 5 HP seems really monka

oh also, can you do the frame perfect menu falls on console? I see the console runner, Fuzzyvolt, used Dream Nail falling in a few spots but never the fast drop.

[limpid ruin]

Queen's Garden probably lost me like 20-30 minutes, what you mean it didnt save time no matter what

[digital jewel]

yes you can

[snow dome]

You need to press inventory just as you step off the platform

There's a very narrow window where the game thinks you're still stood on something so you can do things that would require you to be stood, then you fall

[grizzled maple]

See this message:
#speedrunning message

[deft thorn]

Before or after getting Herrah?
Also props to navigating the part from bottom of dv up in the dark

[hallow orchid]

console and current patch pc have all the same tricks

[snow dome]

Before getting Herrah

[snow dome]

I did not. I died and lost all my Geo.

[unique wedge]

alright. Worth practicing then. It saves enough time to be worth attempting for sure from what I saw. THanks Emray

[deft thorn]

Aw, that's sad
Well, I have started benching in qg by cornifer, has saved me a few times

[grizzled maple]

It's worth knowing how to do. Just keep in mind that every ledge is shaped differently and is not represented well visually so each drop is unique. Also even top runners don't make a huge deal out of it. We're talking seconds over the entire run.

[deft thorn]

Worth pointing out, if you do fall after herrah, you can just s+q without losing too much time

[snow dome]

^^^
There's like three throughout a run you do want to try to get, but focus on the route itself first

[snow dome]

Yeah, I will definitely be doing that next time

"next time" 🙃

[deft thorn]

I sometimes forget that dreamers hard save

[unique wedge]

I was wondering why the runners didnt do bench resets after dreamers. Then I realized they count as benches

took me longer then it should of tbh

[snow dome]

Learning what is and isn't a hard save is important for routing, yeah

[deft thorn]

Like, I used to not get h2 bench because I forgot that kb hard saves as well, and thought I was doing myself a favor by being able to s+q back

[unique wedge]

one more question for now, theoretically, could you run CP w/ out the lantern? Not gunna bother, since it seems extremely unworth but...

[snow dome]

Yes

But it would lose a chunk of time

[grizzled maple]

All Skills doesn't buy lantern.

[snow dome]

^^^

[grizzled maple]

It's just lantern is the actual fastest way into cpeaks

[unique wedge]

oh does the toll not spawn w/out lantern?

[snow dome]

Essentially you have to get Dive or Lantern to get C-Dash.

[grizzled maple]

its there you just cant interact

[snow dome]

Yeah, you can't interact in the dark

So you also can't fight No Eyes

[unique wedge]

😮 wow thats good to know

[snow dome]

(Which isn't relevant for this discussion, but is true)

Relevant for Rando 👀

[deft thorn]

Which route does AS on cp take to get from archives -> wraiths -> herrah btw?

[unique wedge]

yeah I did Stone Sanctuary casually w/ no lantern...had to backtrack w/ it for that fight

...fun fight

[digital jewel]

through qga entrance then up to open the shortcut to wraiths

[deft thorn]

So it's only a bit slower?

[digital jewel]

yeah shouldn't be much slower

[deft thorn]

Wait is it just backtracking through qg and normal route into darknest from wraiths?

[digital jewel]

yeah from wraiths it's the same path as 1221

[deft thorn]

I assume the biggest timeloss comes from the extra 800 geo for ekey and fighting the annoying soul warrior before ss without ss

[unique wedge]

alright thanks a ton guys. No plans at current but 👀
and maybe AS in the future depending on if the speedrun clicks as much as the casual did

[digital jewel]

having to do the whole of soul sanctum with vs is a big timeloss

and no lever skips

[snow dome]

I honestly think All Skills is easier than any%, FWIW

I would highly recommend starting there, but if you're set on any% that's also cool

[thorn jasper]

echoing ths

[unique wedge]

I will take your word for it. if Any% doesnt fly ill give AS a independent review

I cant even beat the game 112% though so it will take a while 😛

stupid pantheons

[formal bough]

all skills doesn't need 112%

[unique wedge]

yeah im glad for that

[formal bough]

decent quantity of people haven't done p5 and speedrun

[unique wedge]

dont even have to touch godhome

[limpid ruin]

Oi, I tried p5 once

[snow dome]

I only full cleared the game for the first time about 3 weeks ago

(p5 third try, no Biggie 👀)

[unique wedge]

casually im stuck on 110%. NKG, P4, and P5. I have confidence in P4 but the other 2 are kinda monka

[snow dome]

I only killed NKG because he was a goal on a bingo board

[mild stratus]

Fwiw I've still never beat absrad and I have WR in an all bosses category. Game is hard

And p5 is like, omega hard

[deft thorn]

How was it? 👀

[unique wedge]

gam hord inded

its fun though and challenging but also rewarding in...most cases

[normal aspen]

I had to be told how to get Banishment by Paum during a coop rando and got the achievement that way for a goal, same for gpz

[thorn jasper]

I started speedrunning when I only had like 109% casually. I still haven't done p5, despite scamming scamming my viewers out of their hard earned channel points for a community goal

[snow dome]

This is a really funny joke

[unique wedge]

I could just banish NGK but it feels wrong to not fight him. Plus grimmchild is decent for my build

though I HATE enemies that do double damage

and NKG does double on everything

[snow dome]

Absrad doesn't do double on every attack, confirmed not as hard as NKG

[limpid ruin]

Let's just say p5 motivated to pick up speedrunning for the rest of the game

[unique wedge]

you have to fight NGK for Absrad anyway so 👀

does anyone know what level Zote is in P5?

I did p3 w/out fighting him

[snow dome]

Did you fight him in Dirtmouth?

[hollow mesa]

Zote's toward the end. Right after floorless markoth

[unique wedge]

after I beat P3 I went to fight him in dirtmouth ye

[snow dome]

He only appears in the pantheon if you have fought him already

[unique wedge]

beat his first 3 fights but gave up after double damage kicked in

[snow dome]

He's the only optional pantheon boss

[unique wedge]

yeah. I did so he is in my P5

cant back out of that one

[snow dome]

If you do P3 again he should be in there

[unique wedge]

Ill have to if I want those life bloods

but what level is he? Fight 1-5. Any idea?

[snow dome]

Oh he's just base Zote, I believe

[unique wedge]

phew

[snow dome]

I thought you meant when in the pantheon

Imagine being able to type. Couldn't be me

[limpid ruin]

I think he's lvl 2-3 in pantheons?

[unique wedge]

1,2,3 do one damage he just gets faster and has extra enemies

spiders are fine bats are annoying

if he is 3 and has bombs thats no fun

[snow dome]

Oh, then I have no idea.

I didn't notice he got faster

[limpid ruin]

Yea he has explosions

In pantheons, I mean

[deft thorn]

Wait you stared speedrunning after that? Nice

[snow dome]

Or that anything changed. I just assumed it was RNG of things spawning or not. 👀

[unique wedge]

Lvl 3 then 😦

[deft thorn]

I started after doing pop practice and realizing I can submit those to src

[unique wedge]

nope each refight of both White Def and Zote get harder

[charred sigil]

I was going to do all bindings before speedrunning but pantheon 3 was

[unique wedge]

NGL I had to spend an hour fighting Sage himself alone just to figure him out

that fight is annoying

[deft thorn]

Sage is unironically still my biggest hurdle

[unique wedge]

didnt help I did P3 before Fool

[deft thorn]

Most inconsistent fight for me

[unique wedge]

so I also had to learn God Tamer the hard way

I can do sage reliably now

but it aint fast

If I try to do sage fast I eat every sword he swings

[snow dome]

Sly took me longer than any other boss in the game

Including the ones after him

[unique wedge]

Pure Vessel doesnt seem to bad tbh. Havent gotten past Traitor Lord though so I dont know from experience

[snow dome]

I beat Absolute Radiance on my 6th or 7th try. PV in about the same. Sly was a solid 30 minutes

PV is one of my favourite fights in the game.

[limpid ruin]

god I hate PV in the sense that they dont have audio cues

[unique wedge]

sly is 90% dodging and baiting

[snow dome]

It's such a well designed fight.

[unique wedge]

my favorite fight in the game is Grimm

not NGK, just Grimm

[limpid ruin]

I love PV now after 10-20 hours of ingraining the visual cues into muscle memory, but the arena is honestly too big for the lack of audio imho

both nkg and grimm, thanku

[unique wedge]

teach me how to not be bad at NKG

none of my Grimm strats work anymore...stupid dragons

one day ill beat P4 and still be at 110% and itll be sad. But I hope the speedruns make me better. SO I can actually beat P5 and NKG

actually, do you guys recommend practicing Path of Pain for any reason? Ive...not gotten far on it but its good platforming

[tardy sable]

depending on category, you probably will only be marginally better at fighting NKG from speedruns

[deft thorn]

PV is basically just jump in a certain rhythm, it will almost always end up dodging the next attack clutch before you even see it coming, and if not, then you can usually parry with a downslash somewhat reliably

And I also love it

It's such a great fight

[unique wedge]

considering my favorite way to play HK right now is to accidentally eat every attack swung at me... I think itll help lmao

[deft thorn]

Super consistent, fast and satisfying

[tardy sable]

most speedruns have low equipment, which makes godhome feel really weird

like, i suck more at godhome now than before speedrunning, because i keep forgetting i have double jump and shade cloak

only improvement is that I can kick watcher knights' balls every time

[deft thorn]

FWIW, I am just starting to learn my first full game category and having exclusively run pop before, I can say that movement sections are, for the most part, not the problem

[unique wedge]

awesome. becuase I couldnt even get past the first section. 🙂

blind dropping onto saws is FUN

[deft thorn]

Yeah, first room is hardest

[hollow mesa]

My usual strat is using nail arts and abusing the hell out of shade cloak. You never really need to leave the ground when he's not doing his balloon attack

[tardy sable]

what, the last room is hardest

[deft thorn]

and last one is hard casually, but easy if you go fast

[unique wedge]

the 2 knights? or the last platforming room?

[deft thorn]

Because the rhythm is literally "go as fast as possible until the previous to last moving sawblade, do a variable height wing jump to correct for slight timing differences, then continue to go fast until the end"

[tardy sable]

maybe yea, never ran pop and never will 😛

[deft thorn]

Took me some time to figure that out, but it's literally free

[tardy sable]

was a nightmare casually, first time doing it took me around 10 hours

[deft thorn]

Like, in easy free
I tried forever to play it safe and kept messing up

Because trying to get the timings down for anything fancy "semi fast" is actually just harder

[tardy sable]

PoP is harder than P5 for me lol

it's probably better if I do it right now

[deft thorn]

Good luck :)

It's a fun run

But very reset heavy

[daring coral]

hey im trying to practice acid skips, can anyone give me advice on the timing of starting the c-dash and jumping off at the end

AS btw

[tardy sable]

which acid skip? Isma's acid skip?

[daring coral]

yeah

im practicing next to the first one rn

i figured i should practice on walls i can actually see for timing

[tardy sable]

what i did for practicing jumping at the end is just go to dirtmouth stag station and c-dash back and forth above the stag

and try to jump after hitting the wall without dropping too far

[daring coral]

ok ill go there

[tardy sable]

i haven't seen anyone else do it, but most of the time when i fail it's because I am too excited and jump way too early

[deft thorn]

Dashing into walls, then cdashing without losing height

[daring coral]

thats what i was trying but im not good at it

[deft thorn]

Also learning the height at which you dash into the wall above the acid

[daring coral]

honestly im having more trouble with jumping off after

[deft thorn]

It's quite low

[tardy sable]

I usually jump practice that on the ledge above QGA because that's what i am after

[deft thorn]

You can also just practice jumping off by cdashing into walls

[daring coral]

yeah i was just wondering if anyone knew how long after in time

numbers sometimes help me

[deft thorn]

Hm, not long

You can kinda buffer a jump I believe?

But it's quite short

Basically listen for the big thump to end, then jump

Like, not after

But like, right as it's ending

[daring coral]

actually i think i just got a visual cue?

theres a smoke effect when i hit the wall

its just as that dissapates

does that happen everywhere?

[deft thorn]

Visual cues are overrated
Just run with closed eyes

[haughty fossil]

most people just end up with a feel for either cancelling or slamming into a wall and how long it takes

[deft thorn]

(I unironically do some parts of pop with closed eyes because it's easier to focus if your muscle memory can carry you hard)

[haughty fossil]

some people recommend cancelling before hitting the wall because it's slightly more movement, so easier to see how far through the animation you are and hence easier to see when it ends)

[daring coral]

actually i think my visual que is working quite well for me for now

hopefully thatll last untill i get a feel for it

also hopefully i can always see

no idea if it was a fluke but on my first attempt at the actual skip worked

[tardy sable]

isma's acid skip is pretty lenient i think, you will probably be consistent with a few more tries

[daring coral]

you underestimate my incompetence

[deft thorn]

Also which one? Second or first?

[daring coral]

its the first acid skip ive encountered

[deft thorn]

I mean there are 2 you do for isma's

Hwurmp room and isma's room

[daring coral]

im folowing a tutorial room by room so if theres one after this i havent seen it yet

[deft thorn]

Ah

So the first room

[daring coral]

ye

[deft thorn]

Yeah you'll get it quickly

[daring coral]

im like 50%

very glad i started on AS not any%

if QGA is significantly harder than this

[tardy sable]

QGA is much harder but you can go around at least

if you don't do isma skip you have to fight dung defender

[daring coral]

dont you also have to go through most of waterways to get to him?

sounds like a lot of time

[tardy sable]

yea

it is

i mean you can go left from spike tunnel to get to him

so at least you don't need the simple key

[daring coral]

i should just do a 100% as my first AS so i have infinite timesave on run 2

i could die 400 times and still pb by hours

wait what

my c-dash just cancled mid air

[tardy sable]

bonked into something

probably the ceiling

[daring coral]

fuck can that happen here?

[tardy sable]

yea? if you are too high

[daring coral]

so i have to be not too high and not too low

joy

[tardy sable]

you have to be pretty high to bonk

[daring coral]

honestly it didnt happen for ages so i assumed the roof was just too high

[tardy sable]

AS looks pretty fun, i think i will get into it after i get sub 40 for any%

i am at 43, so still a ways to go lol

[daring coral]

oh he mentions a beginner route exists after i learn how to do it

yay

well at least i know how to do it now

[deft thorn]

well, the beginner route is 12s slower

but honestly, learning isma's skip is fun

[daring coral]

yeah it is

[deft thorn]

and it's not that difficult

it's basically free

[daring coral]

also i imaging learning it will make learning all future acid skips a tiny bit easier

[thorn jasper]

...after learning and practicing a lot

[deft thorn]

probably yes^^
though I think qga is still the non plus ultra for that

[thorn jasper]

and even then I manage to mess up all the time, so

[deft thorn]

(I am sure I am wrong and someone will come and correct me shortly)

[deft thorn]

I mean, if you try to do it first try
but with resetting for setup version, it's kind of free

honestly, the spike tunnel is more inconsistent for me on 1221

[thorn jasper]

QGA is likely the hardest technical movement in any main category, I would agree. But I lack experience with most categories

[deft thorn]

which is why I really like splitting at the spike tunnel

[daring coral]

ok the second half of the second acid skip, sometimes the wall jump fails to shunt me through time and space, im fairly sure im not holding anything, what am i doing wrong?

[deft thorn]

yeah, fair
I think mayybe some variation of cp epogo as well?

[deft thorn]

the setup is somewhat precise

do you line up the knight's eye with the middle of that pebble in the wall?

[daring coral]

i got it consistently like my first 5 attempts and havent got it since

[daring coral]

trying to

[deft thorn]

I don't know the exact tolerances, but I know this works

and a bit higher as well

[daring coral]

oh i was trying for higher than that

[thorn jasper]

there's also this guide pinned in #all-skills #all-skills message

[deft thorn]

yeah, a bit higher works well enough

but if it's too high, you will bonk

also, the jump shouldn't be just a light press
you can do a medium jump there

maybe even full

[daring coral]

ah ok

maybe thats it

[carmine yew]

also the jump needs to be a neutral jump

i talk about it a decent bit in the tutorial, should answer most questions

[limpid ruin]

(is this the time and place to mention "setupless" )

[daring coral]

definetly

i should go for that

[deft thorn]

cerpin I tried

it don work

[daring coral]

whatever that is

[haughty fossil]

setupless is a scam made by the american government!!!!!! don't fall for their tricks!!!!!!

[limpid ruin]

there's a video in the #all-skills pins that show it really well with input display

[deft thorn]

like, I get to the part where I cdash into the room

then I cancel

and I dash away from the wall, into the acid

nya

yeah but input display can't save my poor untalented butt

[haughty fossil]

cancel earlier then

[limpid ruin]

cancel close enough to the wall that you can dash and reach it, far enough you can still dash into it instead of away from it, then simply press jump as soon as you touch the wall while the dash is still "active"

[deft thorn]

just jump? I thought also left?

or can you neutral jump there as well?

[limpid ruin]

you dont need any inputs other than dash and jump (after stopping the cdash, that is (technically after starting it, bc jump cancels cdashes))

#all-skills message

[short spire]

far enough you can still dash into it instead of away from it
as long as you don't press right before dashing, this isn't an issue

[limpid ruin]

hm. That sounds logical

[daring coral]

what factors could stop the acid skip from working?

is it just height and jump timing?

because it sometimes doesnt work when the height is fine and i dont think im messing up the timing but if thats the only other factor i must be

[short spire]

if you're doing the setup then yeah jump timing is arguably even more important than the positioning

you need to jump pretty much immediately as you gain control for it to work

[daring coral]

im definetly jumping, just not moving round the platform

does that mean im too late?

[short spire]

if you bonk into the platform your jump is too late yeah

assuming the height was correct

[daring coral]

ok i have come to the conclusion that my brain is tiny

i wasnt using the audio cue

then i started using it and now its easy

[thorn jasper]

this is like the HK runner motto, welcome to the community

[charred sigil]

[daring coral]

yayyy

[knotty vigil]

i havent pb'd in a few days, i think im starting to stall out at skill cap. time to put even more time in now to compensate lmao

[stray kestrel]

do you do dedicated practice time or just do runs?

[knotty vigil]

i just do runs

usually all night cause insomnia and then i actually fall asleep cause not insomnia and then i sleep past meal times so im def eating first

[normal aspen]

Whoa domt blame me

[thorn jasper]

it's very easy to go weeks without PBing while still improving as a runner

[uneven scarab]

^^ consistency is key

[midnight storm]

Even months sometimes unfortunately

[thorn jasper]

true!

[stiff delta]

yea i had a very long stretch of time where i wouldnt pb

hated myself for it but my SoB went crazy

[uneven scarab]

I haven't got many pb's recently, but my sob was lowered quite a bit

Like my SoB is over 10 min ahead of my pb

[midnight storm]

Looking at your PB video is a good way to figure where you made mistakes and what you need to work on, so you can spend time practicing the most important parts of the run

[uneven scarab]

^^ same for rando as well

[stray kestrel]

yea if runs get too mind-numbing for you, try playing some rando, its really good for just getting better at movement and bosses with various items/equipment

[midnight storm]

It can sounds dumb but starting a run is also a good way to PB

[stray kestrel]

or trying out another category or meme runs for a little bit

wait slaurent howd you get ~~two ~~ three s's

[midnight storm]

KP%

[thorn jasper]

nitro + https://discord.gg/3E47qMZzZs

[midnight storm]

Seriously ...

[uneven scarab]

lol

nitro is ridiculously overpriced

[stray kestrel]

how much is it?

[haughty fossil]

you only need nitro classic

[midnight storm]

It's not free

[uneven scarab]

$100 for a year iirc

[haughty fossil]

which is half the price of nitro

[midnight storm]

Which is too much

[stray kestrel]

hmm, is that 100 cad or usd?

or both

[uneven scarab]

usd

[haughty fossil]

50usd for 1 year of nitro classic

[short spire]

nitro pricing is fine imo, it's not like you need it for any necessary discord features

[stray kestrel]

hmm, i see 100

annd im nont iinn nthhee statas * and im not in the states

[short spire]

if that's what people are willing to pay for the nitro QoL stuff then that's what it's worth

[stray kestrel]

whohaok keyboaard pllss

[tardy sable]

Hey uh, is it possible to PB and stil be upset
This run is gotta be one of the biggest emotional rollarcoasters for me

lmao snipping tool

[worthy sluice]

Nice time

[tardy sable]

had a terrible cloak split and then pull it back, only to lose it all again

2 second pb baby

[worthy sluice]

I mean thats faster than my pb

[tardy sable]

thanks

[midnight storm]

Gg

[pulsar pine]

how many hours of practice until I'll be able to run 1221 any?

[tardy sable]

depends on what kind of time you want and how much experience with the game? Assuming you did things like P5, for sub 1h I would say maybe 10 hours is fine

[thorn jasper]

I started speedrunning before finishing pantheons, so that's definitely not like indicative of any "minimum skill" or anything. To this day haven't done p5

(I know you didn't mean it like that, I just wanted to clarify)

[thorn jasper]

technically zero - your practice can start off with doing runs

[deft thorn]

so many people who still haven't done P5

[tardy sable]

Minimum Skill: Your controller/keyboard works

[knotty vigil]

It's all your fault, how dare you! You owe me 97,000 hours of sleep

[deft thorn]

react here if you haven't done P5

[tardy sable]

zzz

react here if you have done P5

[deft thorn]

bananas

[tardy sable]

Come on, if you speedrun you use quickcast. If you quickcast you can beat P5

impeccable logic

[deft thorn]

I only recently started using quick cast

after 460 hours in the game

[neon island]

That is about when I started using it

[deft thorn]

because I realized fb skips kinda work with it

and I do fb skips now due to AS (I have done a total of 3 or 4 so far)

very proud moment

PoP doesn't need quick cast

except I went back yesterday and realized that if I use it for the 3 dives, it probably saves half a second or so across the entire run

so I guess it does need it, but I just never had a real reason to get into it

not really there yet to try and shave off half a second off of my PB

[stiff delta]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@stiff delta, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[stiff delta]

dub

[knotty vigil]

i havent used autosplits for any% yet, whats the split for autosplitter when running any%

for beating THK*

[deft thorn]

ending autosplits

[knotty vigil]

oH

[deft thorn]

automatically

[thorn jasper]

ending the game like that will trigger your last split, so no need to find an additional trigger in the settings

[knotty vigil]

the option i dont use cause i run pantheons, got it haha

[deft thorn]

yeah, it's kinda unintuitive

[knotty vigil]

yeah heh thank you guys

❤️

[open laurel]

Hello! I'm absolutely new here, but as I was practicing (i'm absolutely shite, that ain't the matter xD), my game had a weeeeird glitch that skips all dialogue. Text just... doesn't appear

[honest dove]

how do i down patch to 1.2.2.1? can someone help me

[verbal stag]

there's a guide in the pinned messages

[open laurel]

Idk if this is a know glitch, just letting y'all know

[charred sigil]

You've heard of "no main menu storage" but here we have No Main Menu

now this is next level science

[open laurel]

and absolutely no dialogue

[twin swallow]

an all glitches runner could just say "this is normal for 1028" and I would totally believe them

old patches are sorcery

[open laurel]

makes total sense

[charred sigil]

I have done runs on 1028

and i've not seen this

quite interesting

I must ask frey, is there a reason you're on 1028?

[open laurel]

Either I got some numbers wrong or I saw it was recommended for all glitches, so I downpatched to that

[charred sigil]

ah yes, that's the right patch

[open laurel]

good to know

[grizzled maple]

I feel like I've seen this before but with someone who downpatched to 1221...

It was the same thing but troupe bg

[charred sigil]

hmmmm so perhaps a missing file from downpatching?

Frey have you been able to open the game noramlly at all or?

[open laurel]

nope

[charred sigil]

is this the only result

[open laurel]

i downpatched a month ago

first time this happened

[grizzled maple]

Oh this just happened out of nowhere? Hmm have you cleared registry?

I cant think of much that can break the game like this

[open laurel]

I just started the game normally (I think), minimised it to do some stuff, and tadaaaa

and I haven't done anything to the files, so idk

I just restarted it and it still doesn't have text

[grizzled maple]

Sometimes downpatching from current patch to an older patch can cause problems with files. I recommend clearing registry, and if that doesn't work maybe try to download the downpatch again. Its not impossible that some file corrupted somehow.

I had a 1221 copy corrupt. Never figured out why. It just wouldn't launch and popped up an error.

[open laurel]

Yup, i'll do that

it's a shame it's not a replicable glitch tho, would have been a massive time save in all glitches

[dry sluice]

It'd be more of a thing for nmms

I think literally the only text in AG is the stuff to enter dream nail

And the majority of that is a cutscene that I assume wouldn't be skipped

[open laurel]

fair enough

The text of the dreamers wouldn't appear, so that's that

[dry sluice]

like it'd be a couple seconds assuming it straight up skipped those couple text boxes

[open laurel]

Yup

[dry sluice]

although I have a feeling you might just softlock at that point

[open laurel]

Idk, seemed to me those kinds of texts just... don't appear

Twas weird

[dry sluice]

yeah, I'm just saying I have a feeling that might cause a softlock in the case of entering dream nail

since pressing through those textboxes normally triggers the next part of the cutscene

depends how it works though

[open laurel]

and now it's back?

[dry sluice]

questionable

do you have minidebug

[open laurel]

xD, i didn't do anything, just restarted it twice

[open laurel]

nupe

[dry sluice]

sounds like something messed up with your downpatching tbh if you can't think of anything specific that could be causing it

[open laurel]

possibly

[dry sluice]

just since no one else has ever encountered this

and you don't seem to have done anything to cause it

[olive smelt]

hey guys how do i get split timer on mac??

[open laurel]

Yep, seems to me it isn't replicable

[charred sigil]

@olive smelt from what i understand the process is either much more complicated or impossible

Also frey out of curiosity, are you learning speedruns for all-glitches?

if so, how is it going?

[olive smelt]

just any% nmg CP

[charred sigil]

That second bit was meant for frey

[open laurel]

It was the original plan, but I got scared by the number of inputs necesary xD

[open laurel]

So now it's nmg, and it's going terribly xD

[charred sigil]

Do you intend on using 1028 for nmg?

[open laurel]

nupe

But since I'm not going very far yet, and just practicing the early levels, I haven't taken the time to downpatch again

[charred sigil]

i see

good luck on that

[open laurel]

thank you very much 😄

[fervent dock]

I give everything after uumuu and before beast's lair a 🖕 🖕 🖕 🖕 🖕🖕 /🖕 🖕 🖕 🖕 🖕

QG is such an annoying area sometimes

[charred sigil]

it's pretty rough yeah

[fervent dock]

Requires a lot of practice cause if you don't get it down tightly enough the enemy placements can just

Ruin your day

The Mantis arena just takes forever if you don't instant kill them
If you hesitate during the horizontal platforming you risk having manti chase you and if you hit the spikes you go back to the start of the room

Just

E.

[charred sigil]

I've seen some great runners lose runs there

lot of potential to get chain hit, even 4hp can be taken quite quickly

[fervent dock]

Funny you say that

lol

I went into that room with 4 hp, came back and
Spawned back in archives

Just a place to practice I guess.

I think I have everything else down

Tomorrow I'll just practice everything past QGA

Livesplit's still running, maybe I can get a decent Herrah and THK split

[fervent dock]

Herrah did not go well because I could not make the money before it to get DV station

Did shave off 34 seconds of my THK segment though so that's fine.

[keen plume]

do you guys think soul master in 1 hr is ok for my first speedrun?

[lucid stirrup]

yes

[fervent dock]

Yeah that's pretty good

[lucid stirrup]

or no

there is actually a total of 0 context

[keen plume]

aight thanks

[stiff delta]

For a first speedrun anything is ok bb

And on a second speedrun

And a third

It just depends on what you believe is inherently good

[lucid stirrup]

but not the fourth, thats the cutoff

[stiff delta]

yea

You gotta have wr on the fourth one

[lucid stirrup]

fourth is the point of no return

[fervent dock]

That's very true, don't be upset if you don't get a "good time"

It's all a matter of practice

[stiff delta]

Thats when you stop having fun and then start pushing yourself too hard

[fervent dock]

and it takes time

[stiff delta]

Holding yourself to an unobtainable status

[fervent dock]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And that

[stiff delta]

The games like 100% mental honestly

[olive smelt]

Hey guys i’m trying to set up my stream on mac. i’m using OBS and iShowU to capture my desktop audio. i almost have it working, but i hear my echo when i talk. does anyone know how to fix this?

[keen plume]

or i just want the achievement lol

i dont care bout speedrunning

[vague frigate]

hi

[stiff delta]

This is a channel for competitive/competition speedrunning lol

[lucid stirrup]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[keen plume]

oh damn

[white sierra]

i have a question

how do i do a speedrun on nintendo switch

pls help

[meager current]

you use rta time

[white sierra]

whhat is that

i want to submit i think

[jagged vault]

switch is run on current patch, and timed in real time

this is due to the fact that you can only downpatch and use the autosplitter/load time remover on PC

all you need to submit a run is the game, (you don't need a capture card, you can film your screen with your phone ect as long as the view is clear) and a timer, that you start and stop at the correct times. Do note that it is very important that you can both see and hear the game audio at all times

i recommend you watch other current patch PC runs and console runs for strategies and routes

[white sierra]

ok

[jagged vault]

the 1221 speedrun guides are useful for general strategy in most categories as well, just keep in mind the routes might be slightly to very different, seeing as a lot of glitches and exploits are patched out on current patch

[white sierra]

ok

[jagged vault]

good luck!