speedrunning

[harsh mason]

i'd be impressed if a broke a femur from 6ft

i'd deserve it tbh

[short spire]

you literally just proved you don't

[meager current]

i simply couldnt find a better word

[formal bough]

distaste?

[elder gale]

this is #speedrunning btw

[meager current]

ye you can say that

[formal bough]

sorry but the offtopic chat is filled with on topic speedrunning discourse so we can't use that

[deft thorn]

lol

you mean livesplit hacking course

[formal bough]

given that they are trying to get a hollow knight split to work, yeah

[grizzled maple]

the thing that unnerves me about spider is that they

[digital jewel]

yeah me too

[worthy sluice]

Hello nerds im struggling to pb

Its annoying

[tardy sable]

isn't that just life

[deft flame]

have you tried going faster

[narrow pecan]

In what category?

[worthy sluice]

Ah gotchu my giy

[meager current]

[worthy sluice]

Ill try thanks

[deft flame]

but srsly what u having touble with?

[worthy sluice]

Consistancy in general

[meager current]

just get more consistent and you will become more consistent

[deft flame]

well that does take time

[worthy sluice]

Ive had two okay runs not pb because of a annoying death or mistake

[deft flame]

what i usually do is take segments where i died before in runs and practice them A LOT until i'm sure they wont kill any runs anymore

one by one until theyre gone

[worthy sluice]

Probably smart

Time to do entire runs over and over again

Lego!

Nah crystal peaks greenpath and WK

[meager current]

i just try not to die and kill the boss as well

[livid stirrup]

Crystal peak used to be one of my absolute worst splits but I practiced it a ton and feel way better about it

It still isn't great but the practice helped

Also greenpath sucks for me too and I can't figure out how to make it better 😂😂😂

I'm just so clumsy with it

[meager current]

not be bad

jk you arent bad

[livid stirrup]

O hecc I hadn't thought of that

[quasi stirrup]

ive always wanted to do a run, but ive never been able to submit as i have a switch

any suggestions?

well

the lowest capture card is 300$ so no

phone will eventually die sooooo

[harsh mason]

what kind of $

zimbabwe dollars

[quasi stirrup]

canadian

[meager current]

just use a phone and a sd card with at least 40gb because videos on mobile and plug the phone in

[digital jewel]

lowest capture cards are not $300

even in CAD

[quasi stirrup]

maybe

[limpid ruin]

$150 cad, max

[quasi stirrup]

but i was looking around last year for a few days but idk

all i could find were 300$ or really crappy ones for 50$

maybe ill use phone, i just dont want it to die is all

eh ill get an extension

[pine wave]

Is uumuu any different between 1.2.2.1 and current patch?

[grizzled maple]

yes

[tardy sable]

cp uumuu has more hp i think

[grizzled maple]

no

[tardy sable]

no?

[pine wave]

Does he not get stuck?

[grizzled maple]

Current Patch uumuu gets more knock back from Dnail and Nail, 2 cycle is not possible on current patch, however you can do the same setup for a consistent 3 cycle

[pine wave]

That's why I'm having so much trouble, thanks

[grizzled maple]

It does get stuck, but it's floatier and you don't have time for the same damage rotation

no?

If there's ever been a theorized cp 2 cycle with VS I'm completely out of the loop

[limpid ruin]

150+ has been done for both cycles independently

But it's practically impossible, and getting soul even assuming you do get a 150 first cycle is probably going to be impossible outside the most lucky rng

Floaty uumuu is just too difficult to stay close to for soul gathering

[warm spade]

lmao i’m doing all skills and i can barely get 2 cycle

cp uumuu is heck

[grizzled maple]

generally on cp with shade soul you aim for 2 cycle unless you're doing a really interesting setup

if you do the VS setup uumuu should die to 1-2 fireballs next cycle

[hollow mesa]

I get that, I feel the same way about Nosk lol

[hearty adder]

You just gotta get used to THK's massive head

[hollow mesa]

Weirdly enough, I still have an easier time with Pure Vessel instead of HK

[mighty trellis]

same

same wih ultrad's phase 1 and phase 3

[deft thorn]

I just did fb skip for the first time, and first try in a new run

[knotty vigil]

Hi

[tardy sable]

hi

[knotty vigil]

🙂

Is it possible to make a decent time without fireball skip ? this seems so rng

[tardy sable]

sure, yea

[deft thorn]

it only loses a few seconds to get the spit up there

but it's not at all rng

[tardy sable]

if you are referring to the fb skips in greenpath in any%

[grizzled maple]

fireball skips lose in the ball park of 10 seconds each. there's a super easy consistent back up for the required one

[knotty vigil]

Yes I am refering to this one

[deft thorn]

by rng do you mean human error?

[knotty vigil]

I tried today and I could pass like 7 or 8 out of 500

[grizzled maple]

#speedrunning message

Read all of this ^

that's the backup, it's important to know even once you finally get fireball skips down. Also read the pins and make sure you're doing it correctly

[knotty vigil]

Well at first I was doubting it was even possible

Then I could pass a few

but I cannot imagine to be consistent enough during the pressure of a run

[tardy sable]

i think it's pretty consistent if you get the inputs right. Are you jumping too late? Dropping between fireballs? Not getting a max height jump? Fireballing too late? There are too many things that can go wrong

[dreamy bough]

you'll get there eventually

[grizzled maple]

You'll get more consistent with time, don't be too hard on yourself. Even top runners still fail this trick occasionally

fireball skips are impossible man

[dreamy bough]

train them, go for them in runs, know the backups

as you go you'll eventually use the backups less because you'll have done them so many times

[grizzled maple]

if you want real input you can record a small snip and we can probably identify what you're failing about it, assuming you can't figure it out yourself

[knotty vigil]

well yea I am not this far, I am not sure to go this far

I mean I think it is fine, thanks, I was trying hard during one or two hours, then I figurd out something and I could pass a few in ten minutes

but yes, it is not rng

[daring coral]

intense battle
nails clinking against each other
Knight yeets himself straight into THK's forehead

[solar geyser]

o/

[verbal junco]

my first try speedrunning (aka which happened today)
I got lost in greenpath and than quit
its still on my channel from 0.5 secodns ago

[daring coral]

nice

my first half run to check my memory of the route died to hornet and i had to run all the way back from crossroads

[tardy sable]

ouch

[solar geyser]

just a quick question if i may; i play this game casually but like to try to implement speedrun tech whenever possible since it looks cool

is the monarch wing skip possible on the current patch or do i just gotta get good 👀

[verbal junco]

i died multiple times too
anyways this is the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3xiZwkETqk&t=415s

when you cant ever manage to do a fireball skip in your entire life

[daring coral]

just jump forehead

[dreamy bough]

if you mean the skip to go to watcher knights, still doable in cp

[dreamy bough]

there are two pogoable objects, both can let you do the skip

[solar geyser]

ah in otherwords; i gotta get good

[dreamy bough]

yup

[solar geyser]

tyty o/

[tardy sable]

oh, i thought you mean the skip to monarch wings D:

[daring coral]

theres a skip to wings?

[dreamy bough]

the only skip i know to wings is the really cursed shadeskip

[tardy sable]

yea, that one

[solar geyser]

Thats the one im tlkin bout

[dreamy bough]

wait

[solar geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtk9jZx1CBQ

This one

[dreamy bough]

oh

yeah, that one's cp viable iirc

[solar geyser]

aaaaaah ok

cause the vid is 2 years old and i just wanted to know

[daring coral]

yeet me off a hecking bridge

there are too many things that hurt me in peaks

[solar geyser]

its tough tho since it looks like my fb goes through properly but it doesnt seem to hit the shade

[dreamy bough]

hence the cursed bit :P

[solar geyser]

I now understand

thank you LOL

[vocal dove]

is it quicker to go right after herrah instead of left? seems counterintuitive but everyone does it

[tardy sable]

on 1221 the devout to the left respawns

idk about cp, i don't think he does on cp

[vocal dove]

oh that makes sense i play on CP

so i never understood

[dreamy bough]

the devout doesn't respawn on cp, on cp you cdash left

[versed elbow]

Yea, you double hit him with one fireball

Do you have any idea how you did it?

[jagged vault]

I think it has to do with the timing of the nail slash windup animation

Thk’s hitbox moves backward slightly enough for the fb hitbox to collide with theirs long enough to do two damage ticks

It’s not a worth double hit to go for because it requires you to stand far away and in the path of aforementioned nail slash attack

[charred sigil]

a very specific percentage

[verbal junco]

oof

lets hope it goes better this time
https://youtu.be/eANeVr21x90

[tardy sable]

gl! if you get lost you can put something here and we can help you out probably

[vocal dove]

i don't think i need nail upgrade anymore

[tardy sable]

oh damn

taking off the training wheels

hey, it's better than losing steel soul to THK

[jaunty anvil]

can u nail cancel using dive n shriek?

[short spire]

#hk-discussion

[daring coral]

what do the eggs actually do?

is it just jiji?

fair

[tardy sable]

answer is yes

also gets you money on steel soul

[jagged vault]

join the rando racer rank to speak in the rando channel i think

?rank randomiser racer

[sick raven]

That rank doesn't exist.

[jagged vault]

i forgot what it was

[snow dome]

I believe it's a z

[short spire]

yeah it's spelled incorrectly for some reason

kinda weird

[jagged vault]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@jagged vault, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[snow dome]

(it is, I have the role)

[jagged vault]

there we go

[daring coral]

if im planning on running all skills should i get a roll like that or should i wait till i have a submited run?

[proud vessel]

hey ive been practicing wk and ive got to theh point where i can consistently beat the first knight before the second one wakes up

[daring coral]

gamer

[jagged vault]

to speak in the all skills chat you need a submitted run on the boards delurzum

[proud vessel]

in conclusion, im improving

[daring coral]

ah ok

improvment good

[jagged vault]

only the randomizer chats and the speedrun race chats have opt in ranks like that one

[sick raven]

@hollow junco, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[proud vessel]

whoah i just died as i fireballed and it did the fireball after i died

[daring coral]

i have yet to fight WK since my first casual playthrough

imma die

like instantly

[tardy sable]

WK is a run killer if you don't have ddark or if you haven't practiced

[jagged vault]

yeah you can do fireballs in the death animation for some reason

[proud vessel]

thats weird

[proud vessel]

same actually

other than rn

[tardy sable]

on 1221 you can also ddark as you die and the effects will pop up as you wake up on the bench

[jagged vault]

doing that causes bench storage which can get you softlocked

[daring coral]

luckily im doing all skills so i get to rain hell from above

[coarse ginkgo]

can someone help me set up debug menu? i have it in my mods folder but it doesn't seem to actually do anything, even the text in the topleft corner isnt there for mods

[snow dome]

Please stop. We are all aware of the Rando mod

[proud vessel]

do f1 whil you're in game

[jagged vault]

now that you have the rando role, use the #randomizer channel for discussion about that mod

[coarse ginkgo]

f1 doesnt pull up the menu

[proud vessel]

do it in-game

[coarse ginkgo]

yes

in game

[proud vessel]

while youre actually in a save

[tardy sable]

if there is no text at all on top left of menu, it probably means your modding api is the issue, not the actual debug mod

[snow dome]

Head over to #archived-modding-help and we'll take a look

[proud vessel]

wait i read that as there being top left text, sorry i guess it isnt set up right

[snow dome]

But this is likely correct

[proud vessel]

it always feels cool when you fireball a bouncing wk out of the air

honestly it feels cool when you kill a wk at all

[snow dome]

Get those bouncing double hits

I'm pretty sure I've never got one

[proud vessel]

i havent

definitely

i was about to say i have yet to beat a wk with more than 3 masks left, then i just beat it with 4 left

a wk, not the whole boss

[daring coral]

big gamer

more health good

[snow dome]

I beat them with 5 masks all the time, but I am also on All Skills so yaknow

[daring coral]

im on all skills, i expect to have like 1 mask left after 2

[tardy sable]

watcher knights with ddark and watcher knights without are two different fights

[proud vessel]

yeah im on any% so i have it way harder

[daring coral]

i have yet to get that far in the route though

[tardy sable]

you can ddark like 4 times can kill knights 2 and 3 right away

especially since they spawn next to each other

[worthy sluice]

Wk is the only thing that makes any% hard

[proud vessel]

yeah

and uumuu

[tardy sable]

uumuu: you forgot about me

[proud vessel]

nope i didnt

[worthy sluice]

Thk is manageable

[proud vessel]

well i havent fought uumuu in any% yet so i cant really talk

[worthy sluice]

Uuwuu is just stupid rng

[snow dome]

Just FWIW if you get full hits then they die in 3 D-Darks exactly, you shouldn't be needing a fourth.

[proud vessel]

ive always wanted to speedrun games, im glad i started seriously practicing for speedrunning this game

[daring coral]

same

ive always done "speedruns" of my favourite games but this is the first where ive actually seriously started practicing for a timed run

[tardy sable]

same lol

[proud vessel]

i tried speedrunning botw for a bit but i stopped completely after like 2 seconds

[tardy sable]

i tried to run celeste but i realized that i am really really bad at platforming

[daring coral]

i attempted the actuall speedrun route for smo once but i was bad and i was borrowing the switch so i didnt have time to practice

[proud vessel]

wk are not going to stop me from speedrunning this game and getting on the leaderboards

[snow dome]

I've never done a speed run before this, and now I've started running other games and a speed running podcast

[verbal junco]

i misclicked and it removed the time for splits and i stopped

[snow dome]

👀

[tardy sable]

just get nail 1

[proud vessel]

i did

[tardy sable]

oh hey welcome back, i was watching

[proud vessel]

im still having a really hard time, but im practicing and im getting better at it

[verbal junco]

were u ranout

[tardy sable]

ye

[verbal junco]

cool

[proud vessel]

it would be so much harder to do this without savestates

[verbal junco]

time to cough clear save and try again

[daring coral]

thank god for pc

[proud vessel]

im going to stream my attempts from now on

well this sitting of attempts

[worthy sluice]

If you clear splits just make sure your recording

[tardy sable]

just out of curiosity @verbal junco how much did you play casually? If you are sure about getting into speedrunning i suggest setting up a debug mod for practice, if not i suggest reading up on an easier route

[daring coral]

savestates and noclip are the saviours

[proud vessel]

yup

[verbal junco]

i played for like 80 hours casually and did true ending + normal ending 3 times each

[worthy sluice]

And you can finish the run

[snow dome]

I'm running Hyper Light Drifter and there's no save states function or whatever, so I just did runs. I'm now 16th after a week. 👀

[daring coral]

big gamer

[tardy sable]

also please don't get stuck on greenpath fireball skip, try to pogo the mosquito down below once you run out of soul

[proud vessel]

hyper light drifter is really fun

[verbal junco]

i figured out how to do it

i thought i needed 2 fireballs i need 3

that was the problem

[daring coral]

yeah, i try once then go for bouncy boi

[tardy sable]

2 is consistent but 1 is possible

[verbal junco]

ima use 3 just to be safe

[tardy sable]

i can do it maybe 4/5 times but just knowing the backup skip will help when you miss, which will happen a lot

[verbal junco]

kk

[tardy sable]

also you forgot city crest

in case you were banking on it to get into the city

[daring coral]

i can do it consistenly when im just sitting savestating and doing it over and over but all my runs have failed it

[tardy sable]

me and epogo

[daring coral]

same

i tend to be like that with most things

i can do things when im just repeating them over and over but getting back into it after stopping for a little bit is hard

ill fight you for the title

oof

i once ran full force into a wall because i thought my head was further back than it was

[snow dome]

To be fair having no shade in THK doesn't actually do all that much

You have 33 less max soul

That's all

[daring coral]

its out of 99 right?

[tardy sable]

yea

[verbal junco]

city crest makes it easier but i can still use the harder route with mantis

i think

im not usre

:p

[tardy sable]

on your splits it looked like you wanted dive to get into peak

[verbal junco]

yeah

i can use lumafly too tho
would be a long detour for it

considering its 18hundred

hmm

[tardy sable]

there are only 4 ways into the city, via city crest, peak (which need either dive or lantern), waterways (which needs access to city crest anyways) and kingdom's edge

if you are getting lantern first then you might want to move your splits around

[verbal junco]

would kingdoms crown be worth

channeled could stack up against thk etc.

4 extra dmg

(kingdoms crown is peaks pale ore

[tardy sable]

yea forgot about that one 😦

also your timer is on real time. It should be Game Time since there is the autosplitter

[haughty fossil]

may i suggest https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[tardy sable]

^^^^^^

[verbal junco]

how do i change it

[snow dome]

In layout

[verbal junco]

figured out

nvm

[tardy sable]

livesplit > layout settings

[verbal junco]

the splits may be fully opaque in the stream but its actually mainly transparent for be because yeah

i want to see the right side of me screen

[tardy sable]

Also the guide Jamie linked is pretty good, it avoids most major skips and it still has some similarity to the any% route. I started with this running the game, I got to 1:09 before switching to the faster routes

[verbal junco]

cool*

i lost so much time by falling into acid

but every attempt is more learning

attempt tres
https://youtu.be/lB01NnqqLaA

some

i can do most

[tardy sable]

also how you getting elegant key

without going into peaks first

you need shopkeeper's key to get it i am pretty sure

[snow dome]

If you're on 1221 you don't

[jagged vault]

on 1221 you can leverskip to shadesoul with dash slash

[snow dome]

You can Dash Slash your way in

[verbal junco]

i forgot to save changing it around

[tardy sable]

@verbal junco is on cp pretty sure, and i see elegant key on the splits

[verbal junco]

ye

im on cp

ill fix later

[tardy sable]

okay

[slate fulcrum]

fuck any%, just speedrun Aluba% like i do

[tardy sable]

also, on the last run you went the long way to false knight. After the two goam rooms just go up

[verbal junco]

ok

[steady lynx]

Just use it for scream skips

[tardy sable]

also unless you want an extra charm notch from salubra because you want equip spell twister, i would also suggest against getting and using fury

[verbal junco]

i do want the extra charm notch tho
ST is worth

also we're back up
fixed the order
https://youtu.be/kEkzNRfn0Zs

ew no

i like this mor

kk

didnt even know that existed

[sick raven]

That rank doesn't exist.

[deft thorn]

which channel do you wanna write in?

[daring coral]

13 minute greenpath bois

[deft thorn]

I always take a few minutes between making the choice to go to sleep and actually turning off my pc

I also have a bad habit of checking my phone once I am in bed, and partaking in more conversations

[daring coral]

and 2nd try epogo

and i fucking died in mantis villiage

[versed elbow]

I just hit the most scuffed shade skip ever

[proud vessel]

imagine being able to beat bosses consistently

yes im still stuck on wk

was this on any% or just a normal playthrough

woah i just got the quadruple hit

i am a god gamer

yeah normal playthrough isnt nearly as hard

especially if you get ddark

my hollow knight just stopped responding

probably not a good sign for whats to come

[slate fulcrum]

on my first playthrough, i didn't get any nail upgrades until almost the end of the game because i didn't know they existed

i went to City of Tears really late

i did Watcher Knights with no nail upgrades, took me like 3 hours

also did Nosk with no nail upgrades, took me like 2 hours

[proud vessel]

you, my friend, are a god gamer

[slate fulcrum]

i felt so stupid when i found out that if i went to City of Tears after Mantis Claw like a normal person would, the game would be so much easier for me

[proud vessel]

even speedrunners go to city after mantis claw, and they are by far not normal people

[slate fulcrum]

didn't know about that strat back then

[proud vessel]

im such a god gamer i just got the rolling triple hit on wk

im even more of a god gamer i just beat the first wk without losing a mask

then immediately died to the second and third

wow im even MORE of a god gamer i just did it again

i really am getting good at this fight

[daring coral]

nice

[formal bough]

but you aren't doing a modded speedrun, you just have a bunch of mods on

[versed elbow]

Why can I not just buffer a dreamnail

[normal aspen]

What are you even doing?

[formal bough]

I think just every mod they can basically?

[normal aspen]

Literally all I've seen u do is shitpost in #randomizer

[proud vessel]

randomizer speedrun?

[verbal stag]

[formal bough]

randomizer, binding mod, hitboxes, and that is the minimum I've seen

[proud vessel]

true i guess

[raven holly]

modded runs refers to things like impossible any% or impossible birthplace

[proud vessel]

i need to create a category of speedrun

damage%

how fast can you get damaged

[short spire]

no

[normal aspen]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmods

this is what modded runs refers to

[formal bough]

1. The only way to talk in non #speedrunning/#randomizer is to get a blue name. Non-negotiable.
2. #modded-runs is not just any mods, it's specifically the modded runs on the leaderboard.
3. I'm sure I have more to say if I think about it

[steady lynx]

That's just a variation of Death% which is already a bad idea

[proud vessel]

why can i not talk in #randomizer?

[formal bough]

You need rando rank

If you want to talk there just do a ?rank randomizer racer

[proud vessel]

well i dont really want to talk there since im just doing any% but i'll get the rank anyway

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@proud vessel, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[formal bough]

warning it does give pings

[dull lion]

Lots of pings

[proud vessel]

not i if i have the channel muted (:

[short spire]

why do you want the role if you dont want the role

[median gull]

^

[formal bough]

^

[proud vessel]

well i just want access

it doesnt really matter

i might do a randomizer run after i finish an any%, who knows

[formal bough]

If your goal is a blue name (which I think it is) you get access to rando racer anyway

[proud vessel]

thats kind of my goal

my goal is to submit an any% speedrun, so thats basically my goal

[median gull]

Well, that's true, just don't shitpost in #randomizer.
People there are usually VERY nice and can help you a lot, but we hate shitposters.

Also having rando racer goal doesn't help you to get a speedrun

[proud vessel]

i wont

um i have a glitch i just have a black screen but whenever i use save states i can hear myself moving and activating stuff

welp im just gonna restart hk and see how that works

[daring coral]

god the crusher room in peaks is infuriating

[proud vessel]

ikr

[daring coral]

im already bad at timing why do there have to be 5000 noises in the background

[rotund jackal]

Save and quit and reload the savestate. Also friendly reminder that this channel is for speedrunning help, sharing your PB, or more generally discussing speedruns, not narrating your run play by play

[proud vessel]

yes, i was just proud of myself

[slate fulcrum]

is this guide still up to date?
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/7y92q

[versed elbow]

So I decided to just grab the speedrun achievements quick on Xbox...

I should've started recording

This is a good run

[knotty vigil]

biggest changes since that guide are getting crossroads stag early, leaving the elevator VF for later, getting flukemarm before dung defender, going through kingdom's edge clockwise, and getting shaman stone after the cpeak trip

[slate fulcrum]

that's exactly what i needed, thanks

i'll watch the run

also, what do things like 1U or 1D mean in the splits?

[median gull]

1 up (stag station)

1 down (stag station)

[slate fulcrum]

oh

i don't see the point of that

at least for me

[verbal stag]

so you know where to go at the stag

[slate fulcrum]

after 400 hours, i remember the Stag order

[median gull]

some people just don't bother learning it cause it doesn't save any time

[slate fulcrum]

yeah, i get it

[median gull]

it is a really good cheat sheet

[slate fulcrum]

anyway, i'll go watch the run now

it's not like it's 3 am for me

[median gull]

well, in that case you're losing a bit of itme doveless

nothing much but that's why they have it

[proud vessel]

ive decided i hate wk

i mean in any%

normal playthrough they probably arent that bad

[raven holly]

Any% wk is one of the biggest barriers starting out

[proud vessel]

yup

ive been getting better at it though

[raven holly]

Uumuu isn't fun either, but as long as you can kill him in 3 or 4 cycles to start out with, then you're fine

grinding for the 2 cycle is something you don't need to worry about until you want to go super speed

[versed elbow]

I kinda purposely threw that run so I didn't PB without recording lol

and it was still a 1:32:03 (ingame, so RTA would've been around 1:36)

I just went back to Zote to get the free "Neglect" achievement since I don't do Vengefly King quickkill in my route

Then proceeded to pogo on his mask for 20 seconds

Yes

[daring coral]

sucessfull route

im liking the something

[median gull]

vengeful... clip?

what's vengeful clip

[normal aspen]

Please don't shitpost here

[daring coral]

alright, first attempt at WK

wish me luck

[thorn jasper]

Snail Shaman ?

[daring coral]

and im already dead

[stiff delta]

what

[thorn jasper]

why are you saying this to someone fighting WK?

[normal aspen]

@hollow junco Stop.

[daring coral]

theyre just shitposting

[thorn jasper]

that's a bad reason to shitpost

[normal aspen]

they left

[daring coral]

ive managed to be on 1 mask w/ 1 knight down

[stiff delta]

they left or they "left"

[normal aspen]

they actually left

[stiff delta]

neat

[daring coral]

so WK is significantly harder than it was with like 8 masks and 2 soul vessels

what a surprise

[full prairie]

i have been stalking this server for 2 hours... Hey there!

i can speedrun 😄

[stiff delta]

neat

[full prairie]

what's your best time

[daring coral]

DNF

im skilled

[full prairie]

nice man!

[thorn jasper]

You can see all of our times in various categories on https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/

[full prairie]

Yay!

[median gull]

so, is that a +2s penalty?

[full prairie]

what who where why when

[median gull]

(DNF in speedcubing adds 2s on the clock)

wait

[thorn jasper]

Do...Not.. Feed? I'm confused

[median gull]

i'm mixing up terms again

i hate it here

[stiff delta]

did not finish?

[median gull]

did not finish

[daring coral]

thats what i thought it meant?

does it have other common meanings?

[stiff delta]

it is

[median gull]

yea

i'm mixing up terms again

i hate it

[daring coral]

tf is speedcube?

[median gull]

ehh

let's go to #off-topic

i'll explain there.

[daring coral]

well i just beat WK

probably wasnt very fast but hey

[thorn jasper]

slow fights are faster than dying

[daring coral]

yeah fair

now time to do it again

on second thoughts its 3:20

[full prairie]

wait The Dark Radiance wasn't shitposting this IS #speedrunning ... so uhhh why was he banned...? (Please don't ban me I'm just a discord friend of his and he wants to be in this server i'll obey the rules and stop talking about it if someone tells me to OKAY?)

[stiff delta]

he was shitposting

[full prairie]

Wait what was he talking about?

how?

[stiff delta]

cant messages are deleted

[normal aspen]

?whois 805305464664883250

[sick raven]

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ID: 805305464664883250 · Feb 1, 2021, 3:27 AM

[stiff delta]

wrong chat insom

[short spire]

[steady lynx]

Oh, welcome to discord, you seem to be new

[full prairie]

yeah!

[normal aspen]

it was pretty obvious trolling

[median gull]

He clearly was trolling.

[full prairie]

Who what where why who?

[normal aspen]

and they listened 0 times after being told to stop across like 3 channels

[full prairie]

oh..

[normal aspen]

also brand new account is kinda an obvious alt btw.

[full prairie]

well uh i'll go inform him

[full prairie]

no no please It's not alt

I'm just a marshmellow D:

[rough echo]

uh huh

sure you are

[dry sluice]

[full prairie]

YES I AM A DIFFERENT PERSON

i wanted to join mossbag's server

[thorn jasper]

protip: if you are really different, stop talking about the person who got banned

[full prairie]

ok like i said i will

[normal aspen]

also leaving to avoid mute / warn is a ban

[thorn jasper]

I was done with the pink for a while, so I transferred my Nitro Boost elsewhere

[daring coral]

hey can someone tell me health of a watcher knight and damage of descending dark please?

[median gull]

ddark + shaman = 88 total

[daring coral]

the video im watching says they should die to 3 dds but the seem to take a bit more for me?

[grizzled maple]

You're probably not hitting centered

[median gull]

you need to hit all 3 attacks

[daring coral]

does that affect it?

[median gull]

yes

[daring coral]

heck

[grizzled maple]

It has 3 hitboxes yes

[median gull]

dive damage + shockwave 1 and 2

[daring coral]

so i need to land relativley in the midlle of them?

[grizzled maple]

Yeah pogo into dives

[daring coral]

how much of a window is there?

how close to dead centre

[grizzled maple]

Watch the video pinned in any% and do that nail pattern but on the 3rd, pogo instead then mash quick cast down

[daring coral]

ok thanks

[grizzled maple]

If youre on cp you won't be able to mash ddarks, just get over it again and do another ddark

[median gull]

It is not a tight window, it should be really easy if you are used to hk movement

[daring coral]

im on 1.2.2.1

[grizzled maple]

Then yeah you can literally chain them together

Cp removes iframes from the previous dive when a new one starts

[daring coral]

oh wow yeah thanks

that already feels substantialy easier

[grizzled maple]

Its what I'm here for

[daring coral]

thanks :)

[warm spade]

I think I've learned 85% of what I know about hollow knight speedrunning from emray videos

the other 15% is a combination of fireb0rn and a bunch of other people

[weary girder]

I tried to speed run ss but realised that my speed run techniques are for normal speed running.😫

[steady lynx]

Just run any% Steelsoul, the most ran category

[tardy sable]

I mean, all your skills translate over, except for shade skips.

[weary girder]

True

It just occurred when I was about to die to bounce off of a shade

[soft jolt]

Test

Wasn't letting me write

Strange

[uneven scarab]

Test successful

[soft jolt]

Question about current patch, console in case, explosion pogo... The only one possible is the one that you run, pogo the mushroom, run again, do a somersault, do a barrel roll, etc?

[uneven scarab]

there's two methods for cp epogo, both in #resources

[normal aspen]

vsync epogo works because consoles are capped at 60fps

[uneven scarab]

vysnc (method) is better for console, but there's also panta epogo

[grizzled maple]

Console doesn't have vsync. Its like insomnia said

Vsync is a pc specific feature that caps your fps to your monitors refresh rate

[normal aspen]

https://youtu.be/uztaN_toC_U

[grizzled maple]

The panta one is really difficult and complicated but this version is easy

[soft jolt]

Da ageless is only the crazy one yeah?

Damageless*

[grizzled maple]

Yeah. I have pantas video in this videos description. Valignatev has a guide now too that I should add

[lucid stirrup]

#resources message

[soft jolt]

I was training it and got crazy just training it

[lucid stirrup]

you also might find this helpful #resources message

[uneven scarab]

well, it's definitely more difficult but ur almost guaranteed to not getting hit

[soft jolt]

Only the wr does it... Everybody else above me goes around

[uneven scarab]

which category?

[soft jolt]

Console any% ps4

[lucid stirrup]

its a lot of free timesave

if you wanna practice that

[grizzled maple]

Ps4 and xbone are the least run consoles. I think all the top switch runs do it

I think people just have them less than switch

[uneven scarab]

yeah, the Ps4 and xbox leaderboards are all quite empty

[soft jolt]

I started this month, basically

I'm 8th and have a 7th place run to be verified

[normal aspen]

PS5 / Xbox Series X are omega free too

[soft jolt]

And the only two tricks I didn't put in the run are epogo and mantis pogo

[grizzled maple]

Imagine getting one though

[normal aspen]

WR for any% doesnt do epogo or qga and loses 40s coz they couldnt afford dv stag

[steady lynx]

If anyone wants a "free" WR just run low% on PS4

[lucid stirrup]

ps5s and xbox x are free?

[soft jolt]

Was thinking about it

Like 80 hours

[steady lynx]

Or beat the current PS4 112% WR, at least until I get to it

[soft jolt]

Free PS5 I heard?

[uneven scarab]

Imaging finding a PS5 for sale that's a reasonable price.

[steady lynx]

scammers be at it

[warm spade]

@uneven scarab VS - 4:04.93
Greenpath - 2:05.43
Cloak - 4:13.40
Claw - 3:47.50
Shamen - 1:52.69
Gorgeous Husk - 2:48.91
D-Dive - 11:45.72
Kings Station - 3:19.67

these were my splits before i had to call off the run

oh boy cp soul sanctum

[uneven scarab]

not bad

but yeah, cp soul sanctum...

practice makes perfect!

[warm spade]

i think my very very best vs was when practicing any% i got like 3:45

[uneven scarab]

That's not bad at all

[warm spade]

its just like crazy how when practicing you can get such good segments but in an actually run youre just so bad at all of them lmao

[uneven scarab]

...

ye

but

not ye

[lucid stirrup]

id recommend no resets if that is happening

[warm spade]

yeah speedrunning just be like that

[uneven scarab]

what Glostkee said

[warm spade]

no it's fine, just kinda frustrating

[uneven scarab]

Well, if you need quick geo after dying twice. Lemm is an option

[warm spade]

yeah true

[uneven scarab]

It'll just cost like 3 minutes

[warm spade]

but i dont really pick up anything on the way there

[haughty fossil]

you've got to balance practice and full runs - spend too much time just doing practice and you'll never get the nerves down in a full run, never practice and you'll choke mid-late game

[uneven scarab]

Grab rafter's seal

[haughty fossil]

unless you're me and practice as beast's den only to die there for literally no reason

[uneven scarab]

lol

[warm spade]

yeah its a balance

also lol

currently trying to set up dual pc recording so i can actually record a run

[uneven scarab]

:3

that's important

[warm spade]

im so excited for epic poggers blue name

[uneven scarab]

btw, you can do meme cats like kp and 4ms to get blue name much faster

like when you start recording attempts, if you get a really good kp (i'd say around 58s or lower), you could just pull that specific portion of the attempt regardless of how it goes and submit that.

[warm spade]

what's kp stand for?

i know 4 mask shards but kp doesnt ring a bell

[verbal stag]

king's pass

[warm spade]

ohhh

yeah i think my best kings pass is 1:03

all the others very similar

[small magnet]

@warm spade were you able to get your recording stuffs optimized and working?

[warm spade]

no not yet

im trying a dual pc set up set up but idk if that'll help recording and not just streaming

so im a bit worried

[small magnet]

Oh wow. Yeah, the dual setups aren't something I'm versed in, but I've been fuddling around with OBS for years if you want to bounce ideas around for different things. I know a lot of people here have already given lots of good advice, though.

[warm spade]

i feel like as long as it can send it over to the other computer without messing up the footage, the recording should be good

but im worried its just having it run while the game is runnning thats messing it up

but im gonna try a kings pass run when i get it set up to see if its any better

[small magnet]

Yeah, I think that's the idea. One PC dedicated to the game, the other dedicated to recording should make it super doable

Best of luck! Hope to see you on the boards soon!

[warm spade]

i didnt get far cause its really complicated

im gonna try tomorrow

but tonight im gonna try to optimize my own computer as best possible

and plus im really thinking its not gonna work

but i will try tomorrow

[golden bobcat]

When are bench warps used and what benches do they use?

[warm spade]

depends on the category and what you're trying to do

[golden bobcat]

Any%

[warm spade]

i suggest looking up the guide for the category you're trying to run

on speedrun.com

[frail beacon]

Sheesh. The work alone on traitor lord, thk and radiance in TE

[warm spade]

i can pull up the link for you if you want, what patch are you doing, 1221 or current patch?

[golden bobcat]

Current patch

[formal bough]

(you can check the pins for useful things)

[warm spade]

https://1drv.ms/p/s!AmK6gKsur0IMiNxAkUD1n_yeV-topg?e=2gXlhc

heres a doccument guide

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH

and heres a playlist for the 1221 version, but very little is different for any%

at least in routing

for specifics like boss fights and skips like explosion pogo you need to look up cp guides

emray has a LOT of really great current patch guides

@golden bobcat

[golden bobcat]

I got claw at 19 mins in my first run. How good of a time is this?

[jagged vault]

It’s a good time if you’re proud of it!

[stark stream]

yis be proud that you did it at all

[mighty girder]

yo I'm awaiting verification for a run, otherwise I'd post it in the All Skills category, but what are the rules exactly for the Early Control glitch after King's Brand? what can and can't you do?

[leaden python]

if you do it without getting invisibility - as is after the knight's sprite pops up a bit, you're fine

Otherwise your run is invalid

[haughty fossil]

#srcom-discussion message see here

[meager current]

question, what does being invisible change?

[jagged vault]

by itself it is pretty major

like, it's a matter of consistency in the ruleset

[warm spade]

I have submitted a run, I am so proud of myself

[jagged vault]

because being invisible does strike me at least as pretty major

[normal aspen]

if u allow invis early control u get mound skip in nmg

[jagged vault]

gg riley!

[warm spade]

i mean its kings pass just to test if i could record

BUT GUESS WHAT

I FINALLY GOT IT WORKING!

[jagged vault]

oh and you can also do a bunch of weird glitches that result in invisibility

mostly forms of early control

[meager current]

can you fix the invis if you accidentally get it?

[jagged vault]

you can wait until when you would usually gain control

so if you notice you get it, stand still until you would normally be able to move around

because your run won't get invalidated if it's clear that it was accidental and you didn't use it to your benefit

[stark stream]

is there a guide on how to consistently get the queen's garden acid skip? i can sorta get it but maybe like 10% of the time

the time when i can do the crystal dash seems to be weird and im not sure if there's an indicator of when i can

[haughty fossil]

practice, you can practice the timing for pressing cdash by trying to dash+cdash into a wall anywhere without losing any height

[stark stream]

yea i practice stuff in debug by slowing time and slowly increasing it. im practicing it now but was wondering if there was like a key frame im missing

[haughty fossil]

i don't think anybody uses a visual cue or anything, its just the feel

(for the cdash anyway, ofc use visual cue for the dash)

[stark stream]

the only visual clue that i can find is that the mask is actually submerged when the cdash is possible

[haughty fossil]

you want to be dashing very close to the acid, basically half inside

[stark stream]

which is too fast to see in real time ofc

[haughty fossil]

usually a good lineup is w/ the eye touching or a third into the acid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA0lewYacyk&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH&index=11&ab_channel=fireb0rn video

[stark stream]

yea I've seen it thanks

[stark stream]

its very satisfying to practice. i think i prefer it to actually running tbh

[midnight storm]

Running with debug mod save states is satisfying too

Also really good way to practice

[stark stream]

i wish i could have multiple savestates, but yee it's pretty good

rn i just have dream gates on different save files to places i practice a lot

or just teleport to locations

[midnight storm]

I was more thinking about doing entire runs but put save states before each dangerous parts of the run

[stark stream]

wait i think that's a thing lol

i just found out it has a solution to my problem

[midnight storm]

[stark stream]

practice is more instant gratification than a full run

[lucid stirrup]

you dont wanna slide down the wall for qga. ideally, just dash into the wall very low, and press cdash as early as possible before sliding

[stark stream]

wdym?

ah i see what you mean nvm

that's probably a better idea than sliding into position

[mighty girder]

ah I forgot to check back after asking the question, thank you to all who answered!

I think I accidentally invalidated ONE of my runs but I think the one I just submitted is fine lol

[stark stream]

i really hate the nintendo pro controller for this

[mighty girder]

I will check this as soon as my run is validated and I can get the speedrunner role

[stark stream]

it just. doesn't work very well. dpad doesn't work, B is A, A is B, and the joysticks very often bounce back and trigger the opposite direction. hopefully the 360 controller will work better tomorrow

[mighty girder]

I haven't been able to get my Switch Pro controller to work for me. interestingly, my dpad works great, but my + and - buttons don't work

[haughty fossil]

wait srcom discussion isn't visible? til

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511969090873720852/787374069137408081/kingsbrandbanned.gif

invalid as control is gained way too early

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511969090873720852/787374127513862174/kingsbrandallowed.gif

valid as control is gained only after knight sprite moves up

[meager current]

camera control

[leaden python]

gifs are bad tbh, we should have a video so people can pause and go frame by frame to observe the cue in detail

[haughty fossil]

camera control there is irrelevant, that's not due to the dash slash

[meager current]

i know

[haughty fossil]

it's just a fun bit of 🍝

[leaden python]

also, camera control in the gif makes it actually impossible to see the cue

[stark stream]

joy2key makes it sorta workable but i definitely don't recommend it at all. it's very wonky

[leaden python]

at least I can't see it on the gif even though I know where too look

[meager current]

team cherry should rebrand as team spaghetti

[mighty girder]

Ok so I see you're mashing attack in both, but only the top one actually works. What causes the early control?

[snow dome]

It's letting go of the nail art

When you let go you gain control

[stark stream]

it seems to let me get it more often, it seems like it's harder to jump out the acid at the end

[snow dome]

Jamie is slashing to prove they have control

[mighty girder]

right ok

[snow dome]

You have to release the nail art after you start moving for it to be valid, as you are never moving while invisible in that case

[mighty girder]

so it's charging nail art that causes the early control?

[snow dome]

Releasing it, specifically

[haughty fossil]

it's releasing the charged nail art specifically

[snow dome]

But yes

[haughty fossil]

🐌 me

[mighty girder]

gotcha thanks all

[snow dome]

Owned. 😎

[lofty coral]

holy just got my new pb on HK Any% nmg 2hrs 27 mins yay

pog

[lucid stirrup]

trust me that sliding down the wall is less consistent. Whether or not you are high enough to easily jump out of the acid isn't affected by the method you use at the start. You will get the cdash more often dashing into the wall at the correct high and pressing cdash right away than sliding down it. if you are too high on the wall to cdash, just jump back up and try again instead of sliding. You'll know when you are too high or low just from the dash alone if you practice enough, it just takes time

[lofty coral]

Acid skip is hard af but after 3 months I finally did it once

y a y

[dense gyro]

how do I activate the control thing?

the thing that shows which button I'm using

[jagged vault]

it's a separate application or browser source

i think the most popular one is called nohboard

[frigid rapids]

for keyboard yeah, otherwise it's gamepad viewer for controller

[stark stream]

idk i can see a very clear difference in height depending on the level

if the eye is like half submerged, I've never been able to jump out. successful ones are usually less than 25%

[midnight storm]

I never knew how to use this 😭 All the basic "skins" are so ugly and poor

[meager current]

hack it so you get good skins

[stark stream]

yea idk it seems harder. maybe it's just because I've practiced sliding more, but i just cant get dashing into the right position much

[lucid stirrup]

you can jump out from almost any cdash height, some just make it much harder than others. Either way, that isn't relevant to your method of getting the cdash in the first place. There is an audio cue for when you can press cdash, which is as soon as you hear the wall cling sound. It's not useful when doing it, but its helpful when learning the cdash timing

[stark stream]

it seems like it's harder to get the first landing and harder to jump off the wall. maybe I'm just bad at the timing

it seems like razor thin margins of error

[lucid stirrup]

I think you have around 5 frames to press the cdash

so its not that precise actually, just muscle memory

[stark stream]

at what fps?

[lucid stirrup]

physics frames

so 60 i believe

[stark stream]

how many of those are in the game per second?

okay

[haughty fossil]

50fps

[lucid stirrup]

^

[haughty fossil]

physics frames are 50fps

[lucid stirrup]

jamie is usually right-er than me

[haughty fossil]

only at the stuff i know, which is only because current patch

[stark stream]

cool

idk it's just. muscle memory is hard for me here as every single jump is different enough that i cant replicate it

i dont think two jumps off the edge have been identical over an hour or so of practice

[lucid stirrup]

yeah, you just wanna get qga to the point where its exactly the same everytime. if you dash too high you never wanna slide into it and risk dunking in acid. just jump back up and try again

youll get there i believe in you

[stark stream]

ugh wait lemme fix

here's a solid minute of me failing just in case theres an obvious issue

[lofty coral]

you poor thing

the suffering is worth it though

[stark stream]

yall will here plenty of my voice cryin out about it dw

[digital jewel]

actually I think you're doing pretty well

[stark stream]

in what way exactly

dont be fooled by the super lucky good first attempt lol

[snow dome]

Fwiw I think you're jumping too high

By the time you get near the acid you're quite fast. A small hop is better

Actually that's something you only do at the beginning and then you do shorter hops

So ignore that 👀

[haughty fossil]

better success rate than me and i have 1k hours

[stark stream]

i played about 300 hours and then i got the first ending

i like to take my time on open world games lol

did the same w botw! about 300 hours before fighting ganon although i did everything except get the korok seeds there. only got like 250 of the seeds

short hops do have a better success rate

i dont speedrun the game too often. i think about it a lot, but its been a while since i seriously tried. i did it earlier and got like 1:07 any% nmg with the explosion pogo and hornet skip which is somehow slower than my pb with neither

[jagged vault]

as long as no more than half the knight's eyes are submerged in acid you can make it out on the other side

[stark stream]

its supposedly possible even then, but yea i've never gotten the jump outside of roughly a quarter of his eyes

i just did a very successful try without any submersion of the eyes wow

[jagged vault]

try cdashing into other walls to practice jumping out without losing height in a safer environment

[stark stream]

yea thats what i need i think

my timing for activating it without sliding is garbo atm

[haughty fossil]

some people find it easier to cancel the cdash right before hitting the wall, there's no real difference but for some people getting control out of cdash cancel is easier than getting it out of a wallslam as there's more movement in the animation

[stark stream]

is there any part of the game yall can think of where two clingable walls are down a long shaft?

so i can cdash between them mostly. seems more fun than bouncing off one wall

[haughty fossil]

beast's den springs to mind

the big walljumpy climb after first devout

[stark stream]

devout?

ooo just finished the jump at like 50% submersion! first time doing it that high

[haughty fossil]

big slashy bois in beast den

[stark stream]

oh you mean "those fuckers"

i can get the jump like 10% of the time. i could probably pull it off like... in a third of runs? ideally

any idea how much faster it is than going the alternative route?

not sure if it would be worth it to farm some jellies for more soul

[haughty fossil]

40s

like 35s on current patch

imo if it's your last remaining barrier to finishing a run, i'd just finish a run w/ deepnest route first so you know that QGA is your main problem, then returning to it.
however, a lot of people here will disagree with me on the grounds that you should just bite the bullet and learn the route properly

[midnight storm]

40 seconds yeah

[stark stream]

its just a skip i wanna do

i havent really done much with skips tbh

[midnight storm]

And really hard to get the 40 seconds time save at the beginning

[stark stream]

like... the only one i can think of doing is the shade skip into the resting grounds and the mosquito for hornet

[haughty fossil]

^, for 40s you need a perfect qg which alone takes a lot more segment practice past QGA

[midnight storm]

Even for 1 second time save it's hard at the start 😅

I was losing time and consistency on my runs when I switched from Deepnest to QGA route

[stark stream]

my time variation in runs can be like 20 minutes so everything needs work

may as well get the practice on that route too

[shut beacon]

how would u practice Qga acid if ur on cosole

[stark stream]

im not even sure if console has fast enough inputs for it

i swapped to pc explicitly because the input delay

[midnight storm]

You can bench at Uumuu and start training

[stark stream]

dream nail the jellies for more soul too maybe

[shut beacon]

makes sense

maby .... how hard is it i was gonna start trying it like today

[midnight storm]

Unfortunately you can't use debug mod on console 😔

[stark stream]

people say the qga skip is the hardest skip i think

at least in any%nmg

[shut beacon]

rip.... i gotta practice it then

[midnight storm]

It is yeah

[shut beacon]

my main time loss is watchers knights tho

so i might just focus on that for a bit

[stark stream]

i recommend doin the other skips first if u wanna save time tbh. they're nice time saves for the effort needed

the fireball skip for hornet and the explosion pogo during mantis claw

[haughty fossil]

iirc em said console qga sucked more than literally anything else in hk or something to that effect

[stark stream]

i did console a lot and like

i legitimately dont know if it processes inputs fast enough to do it

[shut beacon]

u might have a point

i feel its too slow when im trying a fireball skip... but thats probbable me just bening bad

being*

[stark stream]

console is slow af

idk it was such an amazing upgrade to go on pc although i had 3fps until i got a 1050ti gpu

now i sit at 200 fps if anyone is curious. i think fps is pretty important because it changes how many inputs you can do iirc

whats the input test thingy on console at 30 fps? i think its 30 at least

[haughty fossil]

inputs should be taken at render framerate. on consoles its 60 apart from switch handheld mode, which is 30

[stark stream]

i didnt know there was a difference, neat

i never noticed the difference and i used both equally

[haughty fossil]

actually is hk still at 60 on ps5/xbsx? seems unlikely given those consoles power

[short spire]

most likely because i doubt console players can tell the difference

[stark stream]

i can usually tell the difference but i never really looked for it

[digital jewel]

I don't think the game was updated in any way for new consoles

[stark stream]

game looked pretty either way so i didnt care to stare at it

[digital jewel]

I'm pretty sure it's still 60

[haughty fossil]

incredible

[short spire]

there are people who say this game runs at an acceptable level on the switch

i think thats enough said about console player standards for performance

[haughty fossil]

when somebody tells me switch handheld is the optimal way to play hk because joycons on either side of the screen are comfy

[stark stream]

i prefer controllers everywhere except minecraft

idk why but i was like. i could fight the pantheons on switch without any trouble really, but i died sooo many times to the first lil enemies on keyboard

i just decided to use controllers from then on

ppl say its mostly the same on hk which is good

[granite field]

I'd say both have some interests to play with, and mostly it's a matter of what you prefer and/or if you're used to one of them on other games

I've heard people saying mashing to fast text is good on Kb even if you're on controller

like personally I do everything on controller except FPS or games like Risk of rain 2 because it's funnier to play on kb for those

[deft thorn]

I love me a controller but playing Terraria without the comfort of opening your inventory while walking around/fighting bosses would be hell, so that's a definitive kb game for me
even though it has excellent controller support, for what it's worth

[granite field]

ah yes you're right, terraria is also a game I play on kb

but yeah there is some games like that where it's much more comfy than controller

[slate fulcrum]

who tf plays Terraria on controller

[granite field]

console players

[slate fulcrum]

i love playing most games on controller but Terraria is a keyboard only game for me

[slate fulcrum]

consoles, ew

[stark stream]

consoles are great

minecraft and terraria are keyboard for me

idk like any new game i play just feels so wonky with keyboard. all the muscle memory for the same general setup with a controller feels right

[slate fulcrum]

i prefer keyboard for Minecraft, because you can turn your camera way faster and more precise with mouse, but controller isn't that bad

we should probably end this conversation or move it to another channel, this channel is about speedrunning

[stark stream]

maybe

[granite field]

yep consoles are pretty good, was talking about Terraria specifically which I feel like it's one of those game I couldn't play on console/controller pc

(and I'm lagging so my messages are delayed )

[stark stream]

is there any way i could get the speedrun tag without actually uploading a run? i just like. feel bad uploading anything. like it just feels like im wasting time to upload a run that isnt even top 10

[slate fulcrum]

try Aluba% i got 6th place without any effort

i wanna get >9:00 minutes

[stark stream]

lol whats aluba%

[granite field]

You can try 4 Mask shards it's short

[slate fulcrum]

i almost got an 8:58 run and mistimed the Vengeful Spirit at the end and fell into the lake

[granite field]

And fun

[slate fulcrum]

Aluba% is killing Aluba, the thing that flies over Lake of Unn

[stark stream]

its more like i just dont wanna waste someones time looking at my run when it would be 275th place

[haughty fossil]

srcom mods volunteer to verify runs because they enjoy it, they're not gonna be mad at you for not getting a good enough time unless you're obviously deliberately taking the piss

[stark stream]

its no big deal, id just prefer to go to the specific nmg channel given its all i run atm

ill upload smth when its under an hour. that feels like a solid landmark

ill go get that run real quick cya in 59 minutes

[slate fulcrum]

Skurry once said, if he sees anyone completely waste 5 seconds on talking to Elderbug, he'll not validate the run, since it's disrespectful to the speedrunning community

[stark stream]

but he gets so sad if u ignore him

[meager current]

i stand by that logic

[stark stream]

luckily, i already have all the stuff to upload and record thingies thankfully

[granite field]

I'd even say if you don't hop over him it's sad

[deft thorn]

this will be funny for all dialog% and elderbug%

[meager current]

True

[stark stream]

wtf

why did my time change

[meager current]

Wdym

[stark stream]

i deleted all my splits earlier and started from scratch

then i did a run and finished on like 1:07

[slate fulcrum]

i agree with that too

[stark stream]

i reopened lovesplit and it says 59:30

[slate fulcrum]

lovesplit

[haughty fossil]

check your comparison

[stark stream]

comparison for all the splits is pb in gametime

[mighty girder]

Hey so for the All Skills tourney that "starts" tomorrow, do we need to like check in or anything? I've done Smashgg stuff but never an event like this that goes several days lol

[haughty fossil]

it does not start tomorrow, seeding will be finalized a week from now and then there will be a ping in #races-announcements

[stark stream]

here's the timer (i got a screenshot) before and after closing and restarting livesplit

apparently it was 1:17 not 1:07 oops

[mighty girder]

whew that gives me more time to prepare thank goodness lol

thanks!

[stark stream]

im confused about my times here help wtf happened that removed 17 minutes of time

whatever. i'll just delete all the splits again

[digital jewel]

no

I think it's showing your best segments there

the above one is your PB

[stark stream]

ohh yea it is

this is broken af actually

heres what it says when i swap it to real time

i manually deleted the split times before doing the run tbh, so maybe that made it do this wonky stuff

like just went into the files and deleted the run history

[meager current]

Go to your split settings and take a pic please

[stark stream]

of what

[meager current]

Of the settings

[meager current]

Not the layout ones

[stark stream]

there's an awful lot of settings here bro

[haughty fossil]

those are your layout settings

[stark stream]

layout settings of the splits

thats what happens when you're a lil bitch when someone asks for clarification

[meager current]

I think if you click other there is a way to clear split times if that's what you are looking for

[stark stream]

apparently my best segments for ch, lurien, and uwu are 0

[haughty fossil]

ensure this

[stark stream]

the settings are fricked up

[haughty fossil]

manually editing split times other than best segments tends to do that unless you use the buttons from the "other" dropdown

[meager current]

Jamie your split names XD

[haughty fossil]

dw they get better

[stark stream]

yeaaa i didnt know about that button lmao. in retrospect, there definitely should've been a button

i have a copy of the old splits tho, so i'll use those and just use the button

[haughty fossil]

🙂

best part of ax (2u) is that is a legitimate stag input instruction 🙂

[meager current]

🙂

[stark stream]

cool there we go then

[dreamy bough]

imagine resisting cyclone knight

just do demon form instead :3