speedrunning

[leaden python]

mp4 is better for discord, you can embed and play it without downloading

[daring coral]

ill go convert it

h

[leaden python]

your dash is too late

press dash at the apex of your second pogo, don't wait until you drop down a bit

[daring coral]

ok

im still trying to get used to when im at the apex of my jumps

thanks

[leaden python]

yeah that's fair, the trick definitely has a certain rhythm to it that you have to get used to

[thorn jasper]

Oh God I think this explains about 5/7 of my failures. Iflv

[leaden python]

learned the hard way while labbing CP epogo

[daring coral]

its been my main struggle with most tricks so far

took me ages to realise that my problem with the fireball skips was that id been falling a while before i turned

[leaden python]

full height jumps and not losing height is deceptively hard in this game, and it's not something the game forces you into casually, so that's fair

[daring coral]

im attempting mantis pogo and im having trouble getting the flying ones in the right position, as someone who hasnt even done a run yet should i just be walking round?

[versed elbow]

Fireball skips are deceptively hard. I always try it whenever I have the soul for them. I always come up what feels like millimeters short.

[daring coral]

i keep ending up with the first one being too far to the left

[snow dome]

It's a case of being fast enough through the room that they don't move too much and then reacting to their position in the fly

If you're too slow through the room the first time they go out of position

[daring coral]

ok

[frigid rapids]

the setups are precise yes

[daring coral]

ill try for another 5-10 minutes and see if i can figure out where im being slow in the rest of the room

[dreamy bough]

i had the problem before, dashing back as soon as i hit the lever worked

[snow dome]

Are you doing explosion Pogo?

The setup is different depending on whether you do explosion Pogo or not, because you're in a different position.

[daring coral]

ok, ill try that, thanks

[daring coral]

yes

[frigid rapids]

it's not only a question of being slow, but also doing the right inputs overall

you can go for an easier mantis pogo by fetching a third one on the right of the room before going to the left

it's important to start practicing it but i wouldn't worry to much about it in your first runs

[daring coral]

ill try that if i cant get this vesion to work for now

[versed elbow]

I should learn CP E-Pogo.

[daring coral]

isn't that version significantly more precise?

[versed elbow]

I've heard it's the one thing Switch makes easier because fps drops.

[daring coral]

ayy i got it

[versed elbow]

Nice

[daring coral]

now to try for better than 1/50 consistency

[versed elbow]

^reasons I practiced fighting Hollow Knight last night.

I first tried him for the first time since my casual playthrough last night.

[daring coral]

i have not fought ummu or THK since my first playthrough where i had most upgrades

im dreading doing them with less stuff

[versed elbow]

And believe me that's gonna be a wake-up call when you're doing them with nail 0 and base VS

It was for me.

[daring coral]

im doing all skills with that being one of the main resons

[versed elbow]

HK?

[twin swallow]

Current patch THK is a bit of a bully

[versed elbow]

He's a bad dark souls player... He just spams parry

[daring coral]

hey, at least he knows the parry button exists, makes him better that quite a few DS players

[versed elbow]

Am I salty about getting 8 straight parries? Nah, not at all

[daring coral]

oof

thats the slowest move right?

[versed elbow]

I believe so.

The only redeemable part of it is if you proc it while in the air you can go behind him for a quick nail/fireball combo

[daring coral]

look at me, im basicaly a pro gamer with all this game knowledge

[versed elbow]

I actually got semi decent and get double hits on fireballs against him.

[daring coral]

nice

[versed elbow]

Obviously only if he doesn't the right moves for it. Except one point where I'm not sure how I did it, but I got a double hit on him while he was standing still?

If anyone can explain that one I'm interested.

[daring coral]

pro gamer triple backflip rng manipulation

[versed elbow]

He was literally standing still and I double hit.

No clue how

Probably something weird because I never got it again.

They gave me god gamer powers for half a second then took them away.

I channeled my inner Fireb0rn then lost it.

[uneven urchin]

friend asked if explosion pogoes were still possible on the latest version

[versed elbow]

Yep

[snow dome]

Yes but different

You'll need to look up a specific CP strat

[uneven urchin]

can anybody link me please?

[versed elbow]

Which chat was it pinned in? I can't find it.

[twin swallow]

emray vsync version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztaN_toC_U

panta non-vsync version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdfFMLblz4

vsync is easier* but slower and requires taking damage, non-vsync is harder and more swag, can be done with or without taking damage

[versed elbow]

And E-Pogo is like 30 seconds time save right? Like if you've only done alt route

[elder gale]

https://www.twitch.tv/tipu_real im running all skils first time. I may speak finnish but dont be scared and come to chat so i can speak engliosh

[twin swallow]

30 seconds sounds about right if you're equally proficient at both routes

[versed elbow]

After I get my next run that hopefully I don't lost 30+ minutes at Hollow Knight I'll practice it.

It seems like a pretty free timesave once you get consistent at it

[daring coral]

optimal strats: die 5 times in every possible place so your next run has big timesave

that way you can tell people you saved like an hour on previous best

[steady lynx]

https://clips.twitch.tv/IcyPatientEggnogFloof Did the knight reenter the normal walking animation for like a frame before the load happened or is it just me?

[versed elbow]

Optimal Strats: Take a bathroom break every run so you can say "next run has a minute of timesave"

Totally didn't do that in my PB because I had to go really bad.

[steady lynx]

Just run 1xx for a built in bathroom break

[versed elbow]

Wait... What?

[steady lynx]

Grub rewards

[versed elbow]

Lmao

[steady lynx]

It takes like a minute and a half

[versed elbow]

It do be like that

My family probably had some questions during my casual playthrough. I kept saving grubs and had no idea what it did... I saved about 30 and found my way to the grub room. At one point I yelled "how long is this man gonna throw money at me?"

[daring coral]

f

time to learn shade skip, im sure this will go very well and i will be very calm throughout

[versed elbow]

If you put all the skips in a tier list at least imo shade skip is the easiest one.

[daring coral]

really?

oh

i guess i got the wrong impression then

[versed elbow]

Yea. I think it's the only skip that took me under half an hour of practice to get.

[steady lynx]

QGA on the other hand

[versed elbow]

Have not attempted it to this day.

[steady lynx]

I tried it for two hours and got it thrice

[versed elbow]

I actually surprised myself...

I decided to try the Isma's acid skip at one point yesterday on a completed Any% save.

First try

[daring coral]

big gamer

[versed elbow]

Spike tunnel pogo however...

[steady lynx]

Isma's acid is probably my favorite to pull off

[versed elbow]

I'm still new enough to the run that a first try shade skip makes me smile.

Shoutouts to Fog Canyon acid skip being the hardest skip I had to learn

I'm really bad at timing the jump at the end.

[daring coral]

where on the wall should i be jumping for the salubra shade skip?

i feel like i keep jumping too high and bonking my head

[versed elbow]

I'm really sorry I can't make a timestamp ping on mobile.

Skip to 18:40 and this is how I've learned to line it up.

https://youtu.be/f6SJqC3oKYQ

[daring coral]

well i just got 5 in a row

[versed elbow]

[steady lynx]

Love the walkoff strat for the acid skip

[versed elbow]

Oh trust me. That's the easy part

[daring coral]

god is there a way to shut salubra up?

ive only been here 3 minutes and its already getting old

[steady lynx]

I'mma find a run I did it in

[versed elbow]

I'm fine at this part. I'm awful at the jump at the end

Until I miraculously first try it for no reason at all

[daring coral]

also is the pogo hitbox way more generous than i thought or is that something specific to the shade?

[versed elbow]

Downslashing has RANGE bro

... of course I responded to the wrong message

Somehow

[daring coral]

proud

[versed elbow]

Either way

Yea, downslash has RANGE

Like sometimes you just gotta trust that range.

[daring coral]

i feel like im below it and a decent chung to the right and still, i go up and he goes dead

[deft thorn]

If you have Mark of Pride equipped, you can literally pogo a hitbox that is above you

[daring coral]

wow

[steady lynx]

Seem to have nuked my any% PB

[deft thorn]

And it's used a bit in pop

[daring coral]

i remember using mark of pride for nearly all my casual playthrough but i dont think i ever noticed that

[steady lynx]

What if you have both mop and longnail?

[versed elbow]

90% of the time if you're playing casually without the mindset of a speedrunner you're not gonna be thinking to pogo

[deft thorn]

It gets even bigger

[versed elbow]

So it makes sense you wouldn't have noticed.

[daring coral]

yeah basically all i pogod were large bosses

[deft thorn]

Mop=25%, mop + ln = 40%

[steady lynx]

So what you're saying is

mop+longnail makes epogo free

[versed elbow]

Oh I pogo'd a bit in my casual playthrough because I thought the mechanic was really cool.

[daring coral]

i spent most of my time in WK playing the floor is lava

[steady lynx]

free-er*

[versed elbow]

So not much is gonna change when you learn the speedrun strat for them, Bob

[daring coral]

joy

[deft thorn]

I am not sure because I think the amount of vertical momentum you get is the same, and since you do epogo at the apex of your jump either way, it may not make a difference to your height

[daring coral]

oh god is my name still the bob one

[versed elbow]

The one with 2 bobs

[steady lynx]

Honestly, epogo you kinda are at the ceiling when you get hit anyway

It's still free though

Which means technically not impossible

[daring coral]

i made that user when i was like 10, used it for everything, i keep forgeting to change it for things

[versed elbow]

We talking about 1.2.2.1 E-Pogo here or CP, Gusten?

Ah, I found it pretty entertaining so maybe I'm still mentally 10.

[daring coral]

my name isnt even Bob, i have literaly no idea where it came from

[steady lynx]

There's a bit of a joke where we call stuff that's actually really difficult "free"

[versed elbow]

Ah, so it's like calling the mech strat in Odyssey "free"

Got it

[deft thorn]

Like cerpin calling setupless isma's free, but without joking apparently

[daring coral]

i have done 1 fast playthrough of odessy in my life and i died to mech more than most other things in the game put together

[deft thorn]

I tried it yesterday

[steady lynx]

I've practiced cp epogo on switch for like 20 hours and I still mess it up because I mess up

[deft thorn]

Went back to the setup version

[versed elbow]

Oh... April didn't see me say I first tried Isma's acid skip.

[deft thorn]

Well, I did see

[steady lynx]

Honestly, with Isma's I just have a feel for when to start the cdash to be at the setup position

[versed elbow]

Yea... Whenever I start going for All Skills I feel pretty safe once I get there....

That goddamn spike tunnel pogo however.

[deft thorn]

But setupless?

[versed elbow]

Define setupless

[steady lynx]

Whatever Monstah does

[deft thorn]

There is setupless and setup version

[versed elbow]

Oh god no

I definitely did setup version

[deft thorn]

They are pinned in #all-skills

[daring coral]

does "setupless version" not imply some level of setup?

[deft thorn]

And I find setupless deceptively hard

[steady lynx]

Nah, just cdash, cancel, dash and walljump

Way harder than it seems

[daring coral]

if theres a consistant version thats done isnt that a setup?

[versed elbow]

Only having 4 full runs of practice I find this game deceptively hard.

[deft thorn]

No, you just dash at any height and then do a certain wall dash cancel jump thing

[daring coral]

oh heck

[steady lynx]

I tried setupless all of once and honestly, setup only loses like a second

[versed elbow]

My friend was talking about buying the game yesterday and asked me about charms and I was in the middle of a run and focused so I instinctively said "Shaman Stone is the only charm"

[deft thorn]

Lol

This game has one charm

[steady lynx]

Shaman is the only charm that matters for most cats

[daring coral]

i dont think i ever used it in my casual

[versed elbow]

"The game has one charm. Ignore the other 20+ slots"

[steady lynx]

Sometimes, only sometimes, Spell Twister exists

[short spire]

and if you're playing a good category you can sometime equip fluke too

[versed elbow]

And some say if you're a Pantheon runner there are 4 charms.

[daring coral]

i basically chose my charm layout fairly early in the game and never chamged it because who needs think

[steady lynx]

The optimal 11 notch charm setup for pantheons

[daring coral]

i think i used the 4 notch soul eater thing

[steady lynx]

Shaman, Quickslash, Strength, Grubsong, Compass

[deft thorn]

Also I recently let my s.o select a random overcharmed collection of charms for me to fight the radiance with, and fury and quickslash just happened to be on the menu
Radiance's 4th phase was 2 full seconds long :feelspkman:

[versed elbow]

I am so sorry

[daring coral]

ah yes, compass, my favourite

[versed elbow]

I've never equipped compass and I feel bad about it.

OP charm and I've never touched it.

[steady lynx]

It's the main reason I'm not happy with my current 112 PB, didn't use Compass for AbsRad

[daring coral]

i got my friend who doesnt play many games and has no sense of direction to play this and she's never uneqiped compass to my knowledge

[granite field]

Does he even used spells ?

[daring coral]

she beat hornet recently

[versed elbow]

I just wish I could route in the extra Geo to use it in my Any%. I'd beat Ax's PC loadless time on Switch.

[daring coral]

shes not very far

[granite field]

I remember not using them and pretty much spamming nail all along when I was a total newbie
Even for pantheons

[steady lynx]

You might be able to beat Ax's time with loads

[daring coral]

just grind gruzzers in the tall room in crossroads

[versed elbow]

With compass? 100% bro

[daring coral]

optimal geo farm

[versed elbow]

Ax isn't ready for this.

[steady lynx]

You could get the nail1 journal above Mantis village and buy compass

[daring coral]

i did this to get lantern in my first playthrough

[versed elbow]

[daring coral]

my brain is 1 dimensional

[versed elbow]

By god he's right

[steady lynx]

You'd have to do the entire game overcharmed to fit it and Shaman Stone though

[daring coral]

worth it

[versed elbow]

Haha, imagine getting hit.

(Please don't watch the PB I posted above)

[daring coral]

what is double damage to a god gamer with compass protecting them

[granite field]

actually if you don't want to overcharm I'm pretty sure you can grab the slot in fungal wastes with the two shroom handbangers

It wouldn't loose that many imo

[steady lynx]

And you'd have more geo for the charm

[granite field]

yep

[steady lynx]

shitpost% is getting stronger

[daring coral]

but you cant waste time in that, this is a compass run, 100% optimal routing is required

[steady lynx]

Considering the damage tanks in beast's getting the extra notch is optimal

[daring coral]

no

[granite field]

Maybe it's even long that getting journal above mantis claws

for the money

[daring coral]

just unequip shamans for that bit

compass only

[steady lynx]

If you unequip it you need to damage tank more

[granite field]

yeaaah totally I didn't though about that

[daring coral]

heresy

[versed elbow]

Compass carry

I wonder how hard the game could unironically be if you did a full run overcharmed, but with normal Any% setup (5 masks, nail 0, only base VS)

[steady lynx]

That was actually considered kinda

Overcharm Fury and Shaman

Everything at 1 health

[granite field]

hmm that seems a really risky strat

[daring coral]

112% overcharmed but modded so you dont actually get any of the masks or vessels that you get

[steady lynx]

Yeah, that's why nobody does it

[granite field]

Would you get some lifebloods sometimes or not?

[versed elbow]

Calm down Satan

[steady lynx]

So, Godhome Ending overcharmed?

[daring coral]

yes

[steady lynx]

Do a Godhome Ending run without fragile health and I'll consider it

[daring coral]

i have never beaten p2

[versed elbow]

Pantheon of Bob Ross?

[daring coral]

i am clearly up to this challenge

[versed elbow]

Del is currently trying to figure out what I'm talking about.

[daring coral]

the paint bois

[versed elbow]

Boi*

Singluar

[steady lynx]

The nailsmith's "roommate"

[daring coral]

my brain big

is there a point when theres 2 of them?

have i seen that in a video or something?

[granite field]

I kinda thought about doing a P5 nail arts only.
because 1) original challenge
2) arts are cool

[versed elbow]

I was considering doing a 112% for some reason... Then said fuck that because I've never done 3, 4, or 5. I've only done p1 and p2

[granite field]

Or even a timed one

[daring coral]

do it, no practice, i beleive in you

[granite field]

I'm sure with the optimal charms it wouldn't be that hard

[versed elbow]

My first 112% run would be 10 hours and I'd be profusely sweating afterwards.

[steady lynx]

My first recorded 112 basically had me fresh out of my first ever finish of the Embrace the void ending

[steady lynx]

Get sub 8:59 and be faster than the PS4 WR

[versed elbow]

....

Okay I don't wanna admit this

But my goal for my first Any% NMG was to be faster that 5:50 so I couldn't be last on the Switch lb

[steady lynx]

Isn't that the Zote guy?

[versed elbow]

Nah

alebb

It's funny you mention Zote tho because after I got my 1:23 and checked the lb I made the joke "better than Zote. Nice"

[steady lynx]

A good goal, be better than Zote

Zote never ran 112% or low% though so can't compare with him there

[versed elbow]

Wait... Monstah has played on Switch?

He has the 112% APB WR

[leaden python]

switch 112% APB has a separate leaderboard, Monstah is PC 112 WR holder

Click "112% APB" tab here: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Console_Runs

[versed elbow]

Ohh. For some reason I thought I was in console runs lb

I was like "wait... Monstah doesn't play on Switch."

I can at least flex my run is faster than the Series X/PS5 WR

[flint horizon]

so guys we did it

[versed elbow]

On Xbox that achievement is under 1%

[flint horizon]

by 49 seconds

[versed elbow]

A win is a win bro

A win is a win

You're now in the top 2% of Hollow Knight players. How do you feel?

[flint horizon]

like a very special boi

[granite field]

Is HK released for those?

(or I just missed the joke)

[versed elbow]

There's new leaderboard specifically for them.

[granite field]

oooh ok

[versed elbow]

With a single run submitted

That I just happen to be faster than

So I was meme'ing

[granite field]

makes sense

[versed elbow]

For reference tho

[granite field]

I guess it is separate because of the slight better loading times

[versed elbow]

I don't blame them. In a game with so many load zones those seconds add up.

[granite field]

yep

[versed elbow]

I could probably go do a run that's the exact same as the one as I did on Switch on my One X and the load times would make the One X run faster.

I'm honestly surprised there's not a different leaderboard between One X/PS4 Pro. Unless the difference is negligible compared to the base versions of the consoles. Or the mods just didn't feel like having 5 different leaderboards for console. Both are acceptable reasons.

[grizzled maple]

xbox and playstation generally have similar specs which is why they share a board. switch wouldnt make sense to compare to them

[steady lynx]

switch has better WR's anyway because we pushed it further

[versed elbow]

I meant for the One X/PS4 Pro @grizzled maple

Like the "2.0" versions of the consoles

[steady lynx]

Honestly, if enough people ran PS4/Xbox one for that to be considered we'd look into it but currently

[versed elbow]

Difference is probably negligible at best.

[grizzled maple]

yes shaded i meant every tier of xbox and playstation

[steady lynx]

We mostly just don't want seven different console categories

[grizzled maple]

like theyre in a rat race vs each other and have been for 20 years. they use similar specs and improve about the same amount each generation

meanwhile switch is a noticeable potato

[versed elbow]

Yea, but it's a lovable potato

[steady lynx]

Technically, switch lite probably has faster loads than normal switch but we just tend to not talk about that since that's a whole other thing to deal with

[grizzled maple]

it does. switch runs better undocked for whatever reason

that's why pokemon switch categories specify that the console must remain docked

[versed elbow]

Odyssey does the same thing

[steady lynx]

If they make a switch pro and it has the same notably different loads that'll just be a headache

[versed elbow]

There was a trick top runners started exploiting where if you took the Switch out of the dock it made loading faster

[grizzled maple]

katsukity did at one point make on board capture cards like the 3ds had, so for some it would be possible to run undocked

then they went out of business because they didnt pay their taxes

[steady lynx]

I know someone in merki's discord asked about a switch lite cap card but he said it'd likely be more effort than it's worth

Then he quit the capcard business

[grizzled maple]

yeah its not necessary. externals are better anyway

[versed elbow]

Capturing gameplay for a Switch Lite sounds like torture.

[grizzled maple]

merki does still work on cards for previous customers. loopy is getting back into it lately but he mostly doesnt work on 3ds and up

[golden bobcat]

What skips in the WR are possible in the current patch?

[steady lynx]

We technically don't require docked, but most switch runners do docked since it makes recording so much easier

[grizzled maple]

we have a current patch category for both beginner categories

so any% or all skills

[versed elbow]

I use an elgato, so like... Docked makes my life so much easier lol

[steady lynx]

My elgato is comfortably in the mess of cables behind my monitor

[versed elbow]

Sounds about right.

[versed elbow]

The only time mine really moves is when I have to swap the HDMI from the Switch for the HDMI from the Xbox.

I record stuff on both.

[steady lynx]

I have my PS4, Wii U and switch stacked on top of eachother so I just move the same cable between them

[versed elbow]

That's 9k IQ

[golden bobcat]

What skips in the WR are possible in the current patch?

[steady lynx]

Epogo, Shade skip, spire pogo

Did I miss any?

[golden bobcat]

Epogo?

[hearty adder]

Explosion pogo

[steady lynx]

Explosion pogo

[limpid ruin]

Explosion pogo

[golden bobcat]

Are fireball skips still in the game?

[limpid ruin]

Yep

[hearty adder]

Oh yeah, fireball skips too

[steady lynx]

Actually, define a skip

[hearty adder]

And the backup squit skip

[limpid ruin]

Acid skips as well

[golden bobcat]

What is Spire pogo?

[hearty adder]

You pogo on a breakable object to get into Watcher's Spire early

[steady lynx]

Do we count homoball as a skip?

[limpid ruin]

Just pogoing an object before watcher knights to get up there. It's intended by the devs

[golden bobcat]

Ok

[limpid ruin]

There's a list in the pins I believe, of what's still possible in case we missed some

[golden bobcat]

Is acid skip where you get into fog canyon early?

Using Cdash

[hearty adder]

Yeah

[limpid ruin]

Yeps

[steady lynx]

Oh, the vengefly pogo in KP is probably a skip

[golden bobcat]

What is KP?

[steady lynx]

King's Pass

[golden bobcat]

Oh

Ok

[steady lynx]

The part that Ax does about 20 times an hour

[grizzled maple]

@golden bobcat i already answered you, we have categories for Any% and All Skills, so asking what is still possible on current patch.... everything because they are categories

The Any% category is actually almost entirely the same

[golden bobcat]

Ok

[limpid ruin]

Basically the only difference is lever skips and a few big rooms being split into smaller ones yea

[grizzled maple]

I'm about to make a doc that actually lists the differences through any% and explains everything tbh

[leaden python]

Jamie has one already IIRC

[deft flame]

there is a doc guide for any% cp

[deft flame]

yeah this one

it's on speedrun.com but nobody checks it apparently?

[grizzled maple]

I don't mean a guide, I mean specifically a doc that says this is no longer possible, here's why, and here's what it did on 1221

for people who ask stuff like this who actually DO want a list format of what changed

Because there is a lot of little stuff that's different and people expect the list to be small

[deft flame]

that's fair, it might be cool to have it in a list format

[meager current]

i have new verified pb

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/y665e1py

also my first verified 1221 run

on the other one i linked the wrong video

[deft flame]

nice!

[hearty adder]

Niiiice, so close to the sub 1:10

[versed elbow]

I still can't believe I had mine last night and completely threw

Should have it today tho

[meager current]

i havent been able to complete a run in ages

[daring coral]

i just did my first "run" of the first part of all skills up to dash slash, died to hornet and a random primal aspid in kingdoms edge, and i nearly died to hecking gorgeous husk

im so skilled

[meager current]

i have a habit of 'if i die to watcher knights enough times, i reset'

[versed elbow]

I kinda put my standards up on WK. I don't take the safety bench anymore

So if I die it's a reset

[deft flame]

I haven't finished a run since thk decided to go invisible on me

[versed elbow]

That sounds TERRIFYING

[hearty adder]

Same, I've started running meme cats do destress from any%

and when i stress over meme cats i jump back

[deft flame]

I was about to maybe get sub 43 too

[versed elbow]

[deft flame]

Def sub 44 though

[hearty adder]

Can you even finish a run if THK in invisible? Like, can you keep the run going if you close the game and open it back up

[deft flame]

Idk, I tried dying to him and save quitting and found out it doesn't work so I just reseted

[versed elbow]

I think you have to completely close the game to fix that one

I saw someone have it happen during PB attempts and they had to do that to fix it

Doesn't closing the game mess up the auto splitter tho?

[hearty adder]

This used to happen to me a lot on my potato laptop

[meager current]

doesnt it just keep going?

[versed elbow]

Honestly I'm just speculating. Am just a console runner boi.

[meager current]

i cant wait for sub 1:10

[versed elbow]

The worst thing that could happen to me during a run is my power goes out

[meager current]

whats cool is that my sob is sub hour

[versed elbow]

Mine is 1:09 I believe?

[daring coral]

fuck

i forgot i had to do a room blind as part of this

[golden bobcat]

What completion % does a normal any% run get?

[grizzled maple]

16%

[golden bobcat]

Low%?

[digital jewel]

11%

[grizzled maple]

11% for NMG

[golden bobcat]

What route is recommended for any% for complete beginners?

[grizzled maple]

there are guides on speedrun.com that likely cover beginner strats

The route is mostly the same, just with some safety nets like getting a nail upgrade before watchers, or taking the route through deepnest to herrah instead of the high skill QG route

[short stag]

Hello! Tell me what my problem is! When I watch the speedruns of people at the very beginning, the character starts to fall at 1-2 seconds of the livesplite timer! When I start the game and skip the cutscenes, my character starts to fall only in 4-5 seconds

[digital jewel]

set comparison to Game Time

[short stag]

ty ❤️

[golden bobcat]

Is there any way to skip having to do acid skip while not losing too much time?

[grizzled maple]

which acid skip

[hearty adder]

Depends on which acid skip

[golden bobcat]

Are there multiple?

[grizzled maple]

the fog canyon one is extremely easy. i promise you can get it.

[hearty adder]

You can avoid the Queen's Garden one by going through Deepnest

[golden bobcat]

The one into Fog canyon

[grizzled maple]

the queens garden one is an alternate route which loses 40 seconds loadless roughly

okay so the platform there

hold left off of it, and be mindful to not start the cdash before the wall grab

thats it. thats the trick

[elder gale]

first allskills run ever done

[digital jewel]

there's no reasonable way to avoid doing the skip into fogcanyon

[elder gale]

no any pracitce

[grizzled maple]

This is the deepnest movement to avoid the Queens Garden skip
https://youtu.be/WaZ6yRHOf-o

[meager current]

Wait what queen's gardens loses time?

[haughty fossil]

holy this is an old vid, i should probably get a new one for this skip lol

no qga is the fast way

[grizzled maple]

you misread what i said slothy

[haughty fossil]

deepnest route loses 40s

[grizzled maple]

we were discussing alternate routes

the alternate to queens garden

[slate fulcrum]

how do you do the second acid skip in any% nmg?

[vocal dove]

with lots of practice

[slate fulcrum]

no matter how long i try, i just can't get it

the wall is too short

unless it's because i play on current patch, but i don't think it makes any difference

guess i'm just bad

also i saved the grub in Beast's Den

• fireb0rn will remember that *

[limpid ruin]

my main tip is visualise it, and internalise a rhythm for it that you follow

[grizzled maple]

i usually recommend practicing starting the cdash from a dash into the wall thats directly above the acid skip

dont bother messing the with precise acid part until youre comfortable not losing height

[limpid ruin]

there're some catches like you cant cdash if youre too high, and you cant(?) get up on the other side if youre too low

[uneven scarab]

General tip for qga, start the cdash a little later than u might think

[haughty fossil]

there are 3 main ways to screw it up: not cdashing at right time, dashing too far above the acid, and dashing too low into the acid

[limpid ruin]

(again I definitely second Emray's suggestion as well)

[haughty fossil]

em's suggestion handles the first one, and the other 2 come with lots of practice

[grizzled maple]

you can be a lot lower than you think you can (and this advice goes for basically every hazard related skip in this game)

[slate fulcrum]

damn, thank you for all the advices

[grizzled maple]

visuals are basically never indicative of actual collision because TC

[slate fulcrum]

i love this community

[uneven scarab]

Yeah, rip visual setups sometimes.

[meager current]

ye platforms never exactly line up with their collision

or at least the sides of them

[grizzled maple]

Here's an example of that

something that looks like it would be a tight skip but... isnt

[tacit musk]

Guys which language do the speedrunners use

[grizzled maple]

chinese

[tacit musk]

ok thanks

[meager current]

2 left from english

[tacit musk]

thanks

[daring coral]

hey, im fighting soulmaster and the video im watching tells me to fireball to the right which should break all 3 jars and give me full soul but im only getting about 2-3 hits worth each time, what am i doing wrong?

[short spire]

8 right from english

[harsh mason]

its the one in chinese

[grizzled maple]

they actually cleaned up a lot of spike hitboxes in lifeblood to make it more accurate but it's still not great

but also each floor has a different spaced collision from where it looks like it is which is why inv drops on current patch are so much more complicated

[meager current]

its not wrong

[grizzled maple]

you really just have to learn each one

[harsh mason]

i mean spikes should be tiny and only be active if you're moving away from the axis they face

[slate fulcrum]

why does Hollow Knight's parry attack exist?

[short spire]

the latter is debatable tbh, while i suppose it makes sense if you think about how spikes would work realistically it can lead to some wack looking interactions

unless youre just memeing about how they were coded in celeste

[harsh mason]

i guess it can look wack, but its fine aslong as its consistent

[short spire]

yeah i agree

[harsh mason]

like mario killing stuff as long as hes moving down

so you can kill stuff with your head

[daring coral]

boop them with your nose

[harsh mason]

and yeah it gets rid of wack stuff like trying to jump over spikes and hitting the side of them

oh no the side of this pole has touched my toe

now i am DEAD

[short spire]

yeah 🥴 both approaches have their advantages and drawbacks

[grizzled maple]

since most games are like that tho it's intuitive to me

[daring coral]

yeah but also, game made by 3 people

[harsh mason]

celeste is made by 2 people

[grizzled maple]

like obviously avoid touching any part of sharp object or die

[meager current]

dont the first few sonic games have a thing where only touching the top of spikes hurts you?

[grizzled maple]

see the thing youre not considering is that it is a 2d game, and as such, they are basically swords

sides are sharp

[meager current]

no not really

[short spire]

what emray did there is called humour

[harsh mason]

they are infinitely flat

thus razor sharp

[grizzled maple]

i'm glad at least one person understands me

[harsh mason]

but if you land on them they shouldn't be able to support your weight

[meager current]

its a 3d world but you are only allowed to move on 2 axis

[harsh mason]

and should collapse

[daring coral]

yeah but celeste is a precision platformer so it needs very visually accurate hazards, the games are trying to do different things

[harsh mason]

the hazards are very inaccurate

[grizzled maple]

i am talking about hollow knight slothy

[meager current]

i am too

[daring coral]

not saying it wouldnt make the game better, just i think its justified that development time didnt go there

[harsh mason]

spikes are like 10pixels tall, but only 2pixels are hitboxes

[meager current]

[harsh mason]

i mean development time is whatever

hk has wild stuff like polygon colliders for floors and roofs

which is just a massive waste of time to draw

[short spire]

pretty much every aspect of celeste is designed to be super forgiving towards the player and their inputs

[daring coral]

yeah fair

[grizzled maple]

ironically i literally could not beat it

bad game tbh

[daring coral]

also talking on discord is clearly the key for me to be less shit at video games

[harsh mason]

did you try assist mode

you can turn off dying

[daring coral]

i just flawlessed soul master

[grizzled maple]

nah. i got stuck at some point in golden ridge and got bored trying

[harsh mason]

if you mean at 12s

yes

[grizzled maple]

it is, it just doesnt stay as long as 1221

[harsh mason]

isnt it just 2 cycle that isnt

[grizzled maple]

it floats out instead and gets huge knockback from both nail and dream nail

so you wont get the same damage rotation

you still do the same setup though for the 3 cycle

[slate fulcrum]

Hollow Knight any% NMG slowrun

[formal bough]

Sub hour next?

[slate fulcrum]

next i should probably actually practise

instead of just remembering the route and beating the game

[hearty adder]

Well, loadless it's probably below 1 hour

that's pretty good

[golden bobcat]

How do I do if I can't do the first fireball skip to Hornet?

[grizzled maple]

oh nvm i see what you mean. the backup is a squit pogo

that should also be covered in a guide

If it isn't this is it
https://youtu.be/b6KrPiA3_bs

"What you want to do is go close enough to agro him. Just jump onto the right platform where he is and immediately climb up into position. Stall until he charges, jumping slightly to try to aim him slightly higher. I failed to agro him higher in the recording, but that’s fine. You’ll just need to wait a little longer for him to be high enough to pogo."

probably

his is for 1221 though, jamie's is for cp. I still recommend new runners to watch fire's just because he was so thorough on a lot of stuff new runners wouldn't realize

[golden bobcat]

Messed it up

I killed it

[grizzled maple]

squits respawn on transition

[golden bobcat]

This is my first run

[grizzled maple]

you just have to leave the room and come back to try again

also i recommend practicing a lot with debug mod before attempting a run. you're just going to frustrate yourself

[daring coral]

i agree

i would have broken my computer several times by now if i didnt have savestates

[golden bobcat]

I'm on Switch

So i can't mod

[grizzled maple]

Then you should make a bunk account and set up some practice files for things like that. What you can do for fireball skips is have a file saved at the waterfall bench in greenpath, and you can farm the birds next to the door that respawn on transition for soul to practice

it does take a bit longer than infinite soul but i highly recommend practicing a lot first

[glad fossil]

very niche question, but anyone know if it's possible to 1. die to crystal guardian 2. kill him without killing shade 3. pogo off shade to enraged guardian (without monarch wings)? Am on Switch or would try myself

[grizzled maple]

You WILL get stuck on watchers, uumuu, beasts den, and thk

[haughty fossil]

i recommend people watch fire's because i still need to entirely remake cp guide to not take 20 years to open

[golden bobcat]

Got it

[grizzled maple]

yes brohitbrose but it is extremely cursed

you have to get the shade trapped outside or manage to kill CG without killing the shade

I think it might require air stall for the actual shade skip but i'm not 100%

[haughty fossil]

it's not that bad imo but yes doable, most people lure shade out of right side of arena then hit cg1 to wake him up

if you kill the shade and mess up the shade skip though then you're locked out of it

[glad fossil]

ooh, that's smart. yeah i figured you only really get one try after killing CG. thanks everyone!

[daring coral]

ha

pc master race

[grizzled maple]

you can do two things

[formal bough]

If you want to be safe on the shade skip reload the room instead of hitting it twice

[grizzled maple]

i cant imagine it ever being in a speedrun because of how long it takes to get back to the death location. wings has got to just be worth it

yes it is on speedrun.com with all the other guides

jamie's is the main any% cp NMG guide

ngl i have no idea what it is because i havent seen it

[meager current]

the powerpoint is really good

[grizzled maple]

ive been running this game for going on 3 years so i dont look at the guides unless i made it

[deft flame]

yeah i've used the powerpoint too, its good

[meager current]

it was how i learned the route for both versions

[grizzled maple]

i just know its a good guide

[haughty fossil]

i'm actually going over it w/ kanra now, getting some better strats/advice in there too

[deft flame]

since you're doing that, it might be worth it to point out in THK slide that he's much faster in CP

including pest's video on WK might be good too

idk why but i just found pest's video easier to understand

its just a suggestion though, fireb0rn's is great too

[golden bobcat]

How do I do epogo in the wastes?

First run

[grizzled maple]

#resources message

it's 100% consistent on consoles since you're locked to 60 fps naturally

also again... i can't stress this enough. stop trying to do a run, and practice

like go through the run, but dont care how long it takes and really make sure you understand each step

[golden bobcat]

That looks really hard

[grizzled maple]

it isn't

[deft flame]

its a bit hard to get it 100% consistently but if you practice a bit you'll get it in most runs in my experience

[grizzled maple]

Hollow Knight is a really beginner friendly game, and we have a lot of resources to help new runners on top of being here to help on tap. But also it's still kinda hard. There's a lot to get down and you shouldn't rush yourself.

[meager current]

I perform worse while practicing than in a real run

[deft flame]

me too for epogo actually lmao

[grizzled maple]

This is another section that I have an entirely separate file for on a bunk account for Switch runs. I got all the masks on a file, then put a dgate next to it in fungal so I can use dream weilder for healing soul and I have max tries

[golden bobcat]

I died

[grizzled maple]

This is something you'll have to sit and practice. Make sure to listen to everything I say in the video carefully.

Every step is important

[daring coral]

maybe get a high completion file with lots of health for practicing that

[deft flame]

most important thing is to find the timing for when you need to jump and down slash

[grizzled maple]

This isn't even a required skip btw. You can go around, but it's a minute slower on console, and you can't do the consistent Double Dash mantis pogo

[golden bobcat]

How do I go around?

[grizzled maple]

The intended way

[deft flame]

you can look at jamie's guide: https://1drv.ms/p/s!AmK6gKsur0IMiNxAkUD1n_yeV-topg?e=2gXlhc

[daring coral]

go to the right of the epogo room

[quick meteor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FrozenExquisiteSalsifyPRChase

2 cycle uumuu on CP except in impossible any% arena

[daring coral]

are walljumps being finicky my fault or the games?

[limpid ruin]

sane uumuu

both

[grizzled maple]

both depending on the situation lol

[limpid ruin]

theyre consistently finicky

[daring coral]

i feel like my inputs keep getting missed but i might just be bad

[limpid ruin]

thats just HK for you

[grizzled maple]

this sort of thing is the reason i started using input display. so i can see, was this my fault or did it me

[daring coral]

also do i need to be activley holding towards the wall because that thought just occured to me and would explain a lot

[short spire]

thats pretty cool cactus

[limpid ruin]

what are you trying?

[grizzled maple]

as long as you dont hold away you should stay stuck

[daring coral]

im currently in peaks

[short spire]

qol changes uumuu to 250 hp right?

[quick meteor]

oh does it

[limpid ruin]

yup ax

[quick meteor]

sadge

[short spire]

yeah there's no chance that 2cycle would be possible otherwise, doesn't take away from how cool that is tho

[quick meteor]

[limpid ruin]

as a general rule when you feel you miss inputs youre probably pressing too early (in my experience)

[daring coral]

ok, ill try jumping slightly later

thanks

[meager current]

do you guys think getting nail 1 would help me save time on bosses?

[grizzled maple]

It's not really a time saver, more a backup if you aren't able to win consistently

[formal bough]

I mean nail 1 is faster than nail 0, but the time to get nail 1 isn't worth

[meager current]

im bad at fights and lose a lot

[daring coral]

i realised i hadnt changed it

[harsh mason]

are you on cp or 1221

[meager current]

1221

[formal bough]

(I mean if it's an issue of dying or not dying not dying with nail 1 is good)

[grizzled maple]

If you're dying a lot, then yeah it might be a good idea

[harsh mason]

then definitely dont get nail1

get shade soul

[grizzled maple]

That's a lot slower katie...

[formal bough]

doesn't that need dash slash?

[daring coral]

thats my old one that i seem to have used for everything that i keep having to change

[grizzled maple]

because you have to come up with 800 more early game geo

[harsh mason]

its not that much slower

think its faster than nail1

[grizzled maple]

Not even close

[meager current]

1 minute versus like 5

[grizzled maple]

Nail 1 gets the journal above village before the quit out and gets it on a quick detour from spire

[haughty fossil]

you have to go to dash slash, pick it up then go to shade soul and pick that up

[harsh mason]

shade soul makes wk and uumuu free

[grizzled maple]

you would need to farm 800 extra geo, then go all the way to KE, then still have to do the lemm route

[harsh mason]

if you're dying shade soul is definitely going to be faster

[short spire]

shade soul takes considerably longer to get but is also considerably easier

compared to nail1 that is

[meager current]

i forget to use spells so

[grizzled maple]

idk i feel like it's terrible advice to someone who wants to run any% because you're not going to get any better at the VS fights and that's the hard part

the nail is just a small crutch

shade soul is more than a crutch

[short spire]

just depends on what their goals are really

[formal bough]

The question is if nail 1 fixes the dying problem

[short spire]

nail 1 is def a better gateway into actually becoming good at any%

[formal bough]

if nail 1 doesn't fix the dying problem then shade soul might be better. But if it doesn't then stay with nail 1

[meager current]

my goal is to get at least sub 50

[haughty fossil]

ultimately the solution is practice 🙂

[harsh mason]

also if they suck at bosses its probably because they dont use spells enough

so getting a better nail doesn't really force them to use spells more

[meager current]

but upgrading to shade soul doesnt do that either

[grizzled maple]

That's the thing though. Nail 1 isn't good enough to be main DPS still. You still need to focus VS, but it does mean you don't have to carry out as long as Nail 0

its only 9 from 5, VS is still 20

[harsh mason]

so its 15/20 -> 27/20

versus 15/40

[limpid ruin]

also shade soul has the same mechanics as VS, except stronger and bigger

one option could be drop the Shaman and use shade soul

[golden bobcat]

How hard is shade skip at Salubra?

[limpid ruin]

would make dash slash easier to fund

[golden bobcat]

I'm at it now

[grizzled maple]

The spacing for doubles/triples with shade soul is different than VS because it moves at a different speed btw cerp

so its still not good practice

[limpid ruin]

[harsh mason]

if you want to improve i'd say play with nail-1 and get shade soul

[limpid ruin]

does it??

[grizzled maple]

yeah

[limpid ruin]

wtf

[grizzled maple]

it something that really threw me off when i went from any% to TE

[harsh mason]

because then you're forced to learn bosses with spells, and nail as a battery

rather than a damage tool

[grizzled maple]

like that dash double on thk really shows the difference in timing

[meager current]

shade soul doesnt force people to use spells

[harsh mason]

it does if you have nail-1

[digital jewel]

iirc nail1 is around a minute slow and shade soul is closer to 3 minutes

[harsh mason]

you would literally never kill anything

[daring coral]

not too bad

[golden bobcat]

Yeah

I did it

[daring coral]

nice

can you do it consistently?

[meager current]

i simply forget to use spells

[harsh mason]

nail-1 is your nail dealing 1 damage btw, so it'd take like 1000 hits to kill thk

unless you used spells

[grizzled maple]

that's where practice comes in though

it becomes more natural the more you do it

[meager current]

default

i cant be bothered to practice for the reason that i dont know how to use debug mod and where to put the dreamgate folder

[grizzled maple]

ngl i have no idea what you're talking about

but we could help you figure it out?

[formal bough]

I mean noclip and savestates can get around any dreamgate schenanigans

[meager current]

this

[daring coral]

the debug mod was pretty simple to do

[harsh mason]

if you forget to use spells you don't even need to doing any fancy practice

[haughty fossil]

simply run current patch so you can use benchwarp in practice

[meager current]

[harsh mason]

you could just go do pantheons, with your nail debugged to 1 damage
until using spells is what you do naturally

[grizzled maple]

pantheons won't match up to base game bosses. ush fussed me about this when i was new

they have different hp and arena sizes in some cases

[meager current]

also what made you think nail 1 did 1 damage :/

[grizzled maple]

wk is horrible to practice in panths

[harsh mason]

nail-1

[meager current]

nail1 does 9

[harsh mason]

you debug to 1 so it does minimal damage

thus becoming useless

not nail 1

-1

[haughty fossil]

katie is talking about training you to use spells

[harsh mason]

negative

[grizzled maple]

i still dont think that's good advice though since what they really need is to get used to the damage rotation like pests video explains

[meager current]

you know nerfing my nail doesnt make me not use it

[grizzled maple]

youll make a habit of WHEN to use spells, because its not always a good play to use one

[harsh mason]

its just a mentality change that'll help you with anything you do

[steady lynx]

Can you make the nail deal negative or 0 damage?

[harsh mason]

regardless of knowing anything about the boss

[steady lynx]

That'd be fun

[grizzled maple]

yeah you can gusten

[harsh mason]

no, 1 is minimal or it doesn't work

[daring coral]

negative damage

[harsh mason]

hitbox collisions check for damage for somereason

can't even hit levers with 0 damage

[steady lynx]

Oh, does 0 make it not break stuff like background objects and levers?

[grizzled maple]

that part is true

[meager current]

i would probably forget i even nerfed it and use it like it did normal damage

[grizzled maple]

but you can set it to 0 lol

[harsh mason]

you can set it to 0

but it wont work as a nail

[steady lynx]

That's a kinda wonky way to program levers and such but it's HK so yeah, normal

[grizzled maple]

"I mean it doesn't not make sense to do it this way" - Team Cherry

[short spire]

ill be honest i dont get what's so difficult about learning to use spells, literally just tell yourself to use a spell whenever you have the soul

[steady lynx]

Wallcling storage

Sometimes when you slide off a wall, the game just forgets you did

[grizzled maple]

There's some practical uses for it, some are considered major glitches. Most cases are minor and can even happen on accident

The latter being what it looks like you did

[harsh mason]

ax that implies people can focus on 2 things at once

[daring coral]

why is peaks hell on earth

[harsh mason]

you think i can look at my soul vessel and at the boss

😤

[steady lynx]

I had it happen in WP in a run that went defunct, you know at the bottom of the wall you have to be low and cdash from

[harsh mason]

i bet you think i can count to 3 too 😤

[meager current]

ax never overestimate people

😡

[steady lynx]

It's Hollow Knight, don't question that

[harsh mason]

what you should do is make everything in the game invis except the soul vessel

then you have nothing else to look at

[golden bobcat]

Should I get dive?

[formal bough]

?useful for achievements

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[meager current]

thats... not on the route

[steady lynx]

Just make the soul vessel invisible too, and the entire game, just have the area hitboxes on

[golden bobcat]

I'm just really bad

I need all the help I can get

[short spire]

im just saying, if your problem is "i dont remember to use spells" then maybe that's something you can fix by yourself by simply using more spells

[daring coral]

i swear the number on your name has been slowly increasing

[short spire]

it's kind of a ridiculous thing to expect other people to fix for you

[meager current]

would anyone like to skim through my pb and pick out mistakes so i can try fix them?

[harsh mason]

yeah you should just use more spells

its nice to force yourself to do it

any hellmod

[meager current]

[daring coral]

i hate my brain

[steady lynx]

Honestly, when you run the game for just a few weeks you just kinda get used to how much soul you have at most points

[daring coral]

i take one damage and i dash randomly and probably take another then fall down and take another

how is panic a useful part of evolution

[meager current]

its not

[harsh mason]

you don't need someone to skim if you're not using spells constantly

your mistakes are "not using spells enough"

[steady lynx]

Just get rid off panic, it's a useless feature

[daring coral]

where is the delete button?

a knife?

a hard flat object for me to run into?

[meager current]

ye just cut the part of your brain that manages stress

[daring coral]

ah thanks

[steady lynx]

That is a bad idea

[daring coral]

im going to guess the front bit

[meager current]

[daring coral]

life any% here i come

[steady lynx]

You'll sadly not get anywhere near a top time

[daring coral]

well ill probably beat all of yous

[meager current]

top time is in the minus numbers, maybe they ran all glitches

[daring coral]

what does glitches imply in life?

[harsh mason]

i should make a mod where you nail does 0 damage, and if you get more than 66 soul you die

[daring coral]

where can i get wall hacks?

[meager current]

i dont know

[steady lynx]

Can you also fix so the 0 damage nail affects levers then

[haughty fossil]

Since i've seen a fair few people asking recently, OBS performance tips and stuff https://pastebin.com/z5qVqnSQ

[harsh mason]

i'd just make it 1 damage, and if anything takes 1 damage it'd heal 1 health

[meager current]

gorbbrain

[harsh mason]

what if i dont

[steady lynx]

You'd have to heal halfway through the FK fight to not insta die

[golden bobcat]

I messed up the early spire skip

What do I do?

[harsh mason]

reload the room

[steady lynx]

Just leave the room and try again

[meager current]

ah yes, sarcasm

[steady lynx]

Everyone does at first

WK is the point when people realise that All Skills looks kinda fun

[meager current]

correct

wk is the point where i reset

[golden bobcat]

How do I hit the switch at the door before WK?

[meager current]

can anyone help me put this file in my game so i can dgate to any part of the run?

[haughty fossil]

are you on current patch?

[golden bobcat]

Yes

[haughty fossil]

you don't

the lever cannot be hit though the wall on current patch

kill the great husk sentry on the left side of the room and do the room as normal

[golden bobcat]

ok

[meager current]

my question has been ignored

[meager current]

ok

[haughty fossil]

place it in your hollow knight install folder and rename it to dreamgate.dat

[golden bobcat]

I die to the Sentry

[haughty fossil]

don't do that

[golden bobcat]

[narrow pecan]

Okay so what were you asking about a capture card?

[candid bear]

To submit a run do you have to like film the whole run?

[narrow pecan]

Yep, from title screen to final cutscene

[candid bear]

Cause on switch I would need to buy a recorder and a capture card to store the data that I record

which costs quite a bit of money

[harsh mason]

take phone

point at tv

[narrow pecan]

Technically that does work haha, Katie is correct

[candid bear]

hmm true

is there a certain time that the run has to surpass to get the speedrunning role?

[formal bough]

no

[narrow pecan]

Nope

[meager current]

no

[narrow pecan]

Just have to submit the run and get it verified

[golden bobcat]

I'm at WK rn

[haughty fossil]

also you can get a bad capture card for very cheap to plug into a pc

[candid bear]

cause I was thinking of taking two detours (since I’m not the best player): one for Isma’s and one for lantern

[haughty fossil]

eg

[candid bear]

[golden bobcat]

Died

[narrow pecan]

Yeah, with capture cards you really don’t need a good one lol

[hearty adder]

What category are you running?

[candid bear]

probably just any%

[hearty adder]

Any% gets lantern naturally, so you'd only detour for isma's

[candid bear]

cant do mods or randomizer or anything on switch

[haughty fossil]

if you're running any% honestly isma's is not even required at a baby level, just learn the fog canyon acid skip as it really isn't too hard at all

[narrow pecan]

I mean, if you’re just looking to submit a run to get the color...Kings Pass is a very easy category...just sayin’ lol

[candid bear]

isn’t there a QG one too?

[golden bobcat]

How do I react to WK two fast slashes?

[hearty adder]

Yeah, the acid skip to get into Fog Canyon is pretty easy, and then you can go through Deepnest instead of QG

It loses 40s in comparison but that doesn't really mean much when you're just starting out

[candid bear]

and that’d be fungal core right?

[narrow pecan]

That’s what I do in runs Zana lol

[haughty fossil]

no, the floor just past Spore Shroom

fungal core requires wings

[narrow pecan]

Not fungal core, no, moss prophet

[haughty fossil]

If you want a look at the route, check out guides on speedrun.com

[candid bear]

Sorry, what do ya mean?

[hearty adder]

There's also a video on the deepnest route

[haughty fossil]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/vdaiv (obligatory link)

[golden bobcat]

Are there any tips for WK?

[hearty adder]

For which category? Any%?

[golden bobcat]

5 masks & 1 nail upgrade

[golden bobcat]

Yes

[meager current]

[haughty fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlmjHynpIjc&ab_channel=fireb0rn

[meager current]

also ye fireb0rns guide

[candid bear]

I’ve almost perfected shade skip and the watcher’s spire pogo

but I’m having trouble beating the great husk sentry in the spire

[meager current]

downpatch to 1221 and you wont have to

[candid bear]

can you downpatch on switch?

[meager current]

rip

[candid bear]

isn’t switch like really strict with mods and patches and shit

oof

[meager current]

get it on pc

[candid bear]

well, thanks! You guys have been really helpful, all of you

I’ll take these tips to heart

[meager current]

except me

i have not been helpful in any way

[hearty adder]

Yeah, console can only run cp and no mods

Just not possible to downpatch nor mod afaik

Screw the little weavers

[meager current]

[candid bear]

Any encouragement is helpful to me no matter how small

[meager current]

i didnt give any encouragement-

[candid bear]

you recommended downpatching, and even if I can’t do it you had good intentions

[hearty adder]

your existence is already uplifting Slothy

[meager current]

😳

[haughty fossil]

you will still see the little weavers

albeit only 1 of them

[hearty adder]

let the frustration make your runs better

[meager current]

3 of them but okay

[deft flame]

i mean at least the little weavers are good to fill soul meter

[meager current]

true

[deft flame]

ive been practicing QGA but even if i hit it im still very bad at getting to beasts den w/ soul and health

[meager current]

why play a game about insects and bugs then

[golden bobcat]

Is fireb0rn’s any% guide for current patch or 1221?

[deft flame]

1221

[hearty adder]

Some things are a little different on cp but overall the route is the same

[deft flame]

you can still use it for most things though

[digital jewel]

scorpions are arachnids too

[golden bobcat]

How much of a difference is there?

[digital jewel]

and mites I think?

[meager current]

true

[hearty adder]

since you were having trouble with the Watcher Knights, your biggest issue would be the fireball not going as far as it used to on 1221

[deft flame]

you should also read jamie's guide, then you'll see the differences

[harsh mason]

im surprised games trigger peoples arachnophobia

[deft flame]

but basically epogo is different, THK is faster, Uumuu can't be 2 cycled, you cant 1 shot elder baldurs

[pure vault]

definitely does for me Katie

[deft flame]

and you can't inventory drop reliably

[meager current]

technically, weavers arent spiders

[digital jewel]

katie were you watching when I played Roki?

[harsh mason]

i have acrophobia, and outside of vr i have no issue with heights in games

[digital jewel]

I almost couldn't finish that game

[pure vault]

but I can’t even touch a picture of a spider in like a book

[digital jewel]

I was close to throwing up at a certain point

cursed

[harsh mason]

i mean just seems weird if its easy to detach from reality

[pure vault]

lol, idk if a plushie would do it for me but like I can’t even watch the entire spider section of the 2nd harry potter movie

[meager current]

so are you scared of hornet and wont play SS?

[harsh mason]

if someone in a game threatened to stab me i wouldn't be alarmed
but irl it'd be

[digital jewel]

🤔

I think you don't understand phobias lol

nobody's worried a spider is gonna stab them

it's irrational

[harsh mason]

i just mean the detachment from reality

[meager current]

if a spider did threaten to stab me i would be scared tho

[harsh mason]

i cant go 6' up a ladder due to acrophobia

[deft flame]

that would be cause for concern yes

[harsh mason]

but a picture of insane heights does absolutely nothing

[narrow pecan]

Take halo for example, the flood in halo 2 remastered are graphic and scary as shit lol

[snow dome]

Everybody is different

That's the main takeaway

[formal bough]

great katie, so for you specifically you don't have to worry about imagined versions of your phobia. Clearly this is different for some people

[narrow pecan]

Lucky tbh

[harsh mason]

at what point does it stop for people though

do people with arachnophobia get scared by a circle with 8 lines

poorly polygoned spiders

[meager current]

i have a strange phobia of 'slightly off things' where if something is very slightly off itll annoy me but if its really off it doesnt bother me

[formal bough]

depends on the person

you mean the uncanny valley?

[digital jewel]

the thing that most unnerves me about spiders I think is the way they move

so it's very very easy for fictional depictions of spiders to gross me out

[narrow pecan]

Oh totally agreed Dom

[meager current]

wdym

[formal bough]

In aesthetics, the uncanny valley is a hypothesized relationship between the degree of an object's resemblance to a human being and the emotional response to such an object. The concept suggests that humanoid objects which imperfectly resemble actual human beings provoke uncanny or strangely familiar feelings of eeriness and revulsion in observers. "Valley" denotes a dip in the human observer's affinity for the replica, a relation that otherwise increases with the replica's human likeness.
^wikipedia, basically not human fine, human fine, almost but not quite human scary

[harsh mason]

not really uncanny

[elder gale]

btw any tips to that walljump just before ismas tear on alll skills. I was maybe over half an over on thaty split first leraning spike tunnel and then raging to that stupid wall jump

[short spire]

being "annoyed by" something is not a phobia

[meager current]

well idk what it is so

[short spire]

i would recommend learning the meanings of words before using them

[meager current]

i know what phobia means

[harsh mason]

my fear of heights is rational 😤

what if i fell and hurt my ankles

[meager current]

i just didnt know what the thing my brain does is

[deft flame]

as someone who fell and broke their femur, it certainly is lmao

[meager current]

and if you say 'think' you are wrong