speedrunning

[haughty fossil]

look i arrive in black egg temple, i have cyclone slash, my hands stop taking orders

[stark stream]

aight thanks guys

see yall in roughly an hour

wait, i do wanna know smth first

what do people usually have the comparison for the split time thing?

personal best or best segments?

[meager current]

I have both

[hearty adder]

It's your personal choice, really

I used to do Best Segments when just starting out to track progress in movement and such

Rn I've just switched to PB

[dreamy bough]

i usually compare against balanced pb

pb tends to be still very fluctuating, so you feel terrible about your runs if you're running against it and it has a good early game

[leaden python]

balanced doesn't make much sense if you reset a lot and if you didn't finish lots of runs

in this case it'll just have good early game and trash late game

so your pb will be from +20 to -20 in the last 3 splits

I'm exaggerating a bit but you get the point

[dense gyro]

and how do I make that visible on a twitch streaming?

[frigid rapids]

which one

[dense gyro]

gamepad viewer

[frigid rapids]

you set it up in your browser (https://gamepadviewer.com) and when you're satisfied with it, you click the three horizontal lines in the top left of the website, click "generate URL", copy the address you obtain. Then, in OBS, you create a new browser source, paste the address, and click OK

actually, you need to make the browser source a bit bigger than it is by default, like 800x700 instead of 800x600

[dense gyro]

ok, thanks buddy

[dreamy bough]

wait, i don't get it. I use balanced precisely to stop resetting too much by looking at superb pb early game

[chrome bramble]

I got a 1 hour pb because first try watcher knights and also 3rd try hk 1:20 pb

[dense gyro]

ok, and how do I make the thing that shows in how many time I did an event on the game?

[leaden python]

yes, sometimes your pb will have superb early game that sucks to run against, and balanced might look better in that case.
But generally how it works is that you reset early a lot, so your late game is naturally worse than your early game, and your splits will naturally have more data about your early game and less data about your late game. Which'll effectively shift more timeloss later in the game.
This is true if

1. your late game noticeably worse than your early game.
2. you don't have much data to properly balance the splits.
   That said, it doesn't mean that you can't have that one pb when your early game was just too good to run against. Then just do what your mental health tells you to do 🙂

[short spire]

if your balanced early splits are way better than your balanced late splits that's more a sign that you need to reset less than anything

[meager current]

i compare against SoB

[leaden python]

yes, pretty much. Otherwise balanced early game will generally be better than your normal early games

[dreamy bough]

yeah, def agreed on the need to reset less. And thanks for the detailed explanation vali :) didn't know the lack of data had that much of an impact

[jagged vault]

wait, balanced is something different then i thought it was i'm not misunderstanding. I just thought it took the total timesave your PB has to your Sum of best and distributed that timesave evenly between every split. am i wrong here?

[hasty moat]

balanced is pog, for when early game is like this

[short spire]

it distributes it based on your average performance on each split

[hasty moat]

I think the run I had earlier was +17 at claw comparing to balanced but +30 comparing to pb or something

just with 2 missed epogos lol

[leaden python]

it with such an outliers comparing to balanced might be more healthy 🙂

but yeah Blue it's not that simple. If you just distribute your timeloss evenly, you might end up with the split that is more optimal than your gold

[hasty moat]

does it just try to average between your pb and gold as much as possible?

[leaden python]

This is probably not very helpful, but here's an actual algo:
https://github.com/LiveSplit/LiveSplit/blob/304c1c46c617428a5fdb15f35a31ba881854d0ab/LiveSplit/LiveSplit.Core/Model/Comparisons/PercentileComparisonGenerator.cs

[hasty moat]

well.. I guess not between that actually, or else it wouldnt work on my early game

[short spire]

it's basically average splits except it adds up to your pb time

i know thats not a perfect explanation but i think it gives a pretty good idea what balanced splits are trying to do

[hasty moat]

yeah that's what I imagine it as

it was definitely a pretty good comparison for my current patch runs, because my late game isn't that bad there somehow

[meager current]

why does everyone pronounce pogaxe as pog EX

[leaden python]

yeah it's not average, it actually uses a percentile function on each segment, and if there is not enough history it medians it out, if we're being super nerds about it, but what Ax summarized is a nice way of thinking about it

[snow dome]

Probably an accent thing

[meager current]

'merican

[stark stream]

i just had the worst half a run ever

like i did well in boss battles and I've definitely done better in them but like

i cant platform for shit

maybe speedrunning at 9am without sleeping isn't the best idea in retrospect

[hearty adder]

yeah that's probably not the best idea

[leaden python]

unless you're 13yo doing speedruns at 9am without sleeping will kill you in a couple months. Well maybe in a year

so you decide

[stark stream]

Lol I'm gonna kill myself before my lack of sleep does

im also an, uh, night worker so i usually go to sleep at 6-7am although im tired af rn

[leaden python]

lack of sleep and apathy for life might be connected to each other. Picking up speedrunning as an additional late-night hobby might not be a good idea tbh. Although it's not my business, of course, you do you.

Btw there was an issue in livesplit repo for modifying balanced comparison to set a particular goal. Which is essentially what I wanted in sro recently as a percentie comparison

Because balanced is essentially a weighted percentile, you can just attach a gui to it to modify initial values based on which balanced is being calculated

[golden bobcat]

What are the relics you pick up in any% current patch?

[snow dome]

The same as 1221

[haughty fossil]

(aka journal above king's station, seal above king's station, watcher knights seal)

[snow dome]

Journal just above King's Station near the elevators
Seal above King's Station itself in the same r-

FINE THEN

[haughty fossil]

look i started typing first on my screen

i was determined to not be 🐌 again

[golden bobcat]

Is there a journal in Kings station? I only knew about the seal.

[haughty fossil]

it's in the room above the station itself

[snow dome]

mine was better

[haughty fossil]

just after the big city elevator

[snow dome]

so i still win

[whole rivet]

are you able to downpatch on ps4? probably not

you know what nvm ur not

[golden bobcat]

The one where you go right of the elevator and up as soon as you can?

[haughty fossil]

no that's a vessel fragment

route looks something like this

[golden bobcat]

I’ve only done one playthrough

Sorry

[golden bobcat]

Are there any Stags I have to open up?

[jagged vault]

king's station after lemm, crossroads before gruz mother

then distant village

[haughty fossil]

guides can be found here: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/vdaiv

[golden bobcat]

Is the toll lookdown glitch still in the game?

[digital jewel]

yes

[golden bobcat]

I'm having a lot of trouble with the seal in King's station

[digital jewel]

what with?

[steady lynx]

If you have trouble grabbing the wall you can use the right wall and dash over as a start

[golden bobcat]

I just take damage and I can't get it

[digital jewel]

take damage to what

[steady lynx]

Just pogo over

[golden bobcat]

The spikes

[digital jewel]

then pogo them?

[steady lynx]

If you're too low after one pogo just pogo again for more height

[hearty adder]

Hey, does debug mod affect inputs? I find myself missing random inputs and such when practicing in debug

[short spire]

if anything it should make the game more responsive cause the modding api considerably improves the performance

[golden bobcat]

Does the time spent in the pause menu count towards the time shown in the title screen?

[digital jewel]

no

[golden bobcat]

Ok

Tips for WK?

[leaden python]

https://youtu.be/Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[brave vessel]

What is elegy %?

[twin swallow]

Save all grubs and get the grubberflys elegy reward

[digital jewel]

you know grubberfly's elegy?

[steady lynx]

Is Elegy the longest time charm to get from start of new game?

[granite field]

probably, I'm also thinking of the Kingsoul but I guess elegy's still longer

[steady lynx]

Grimmchild4 is kinda close but that got beaten

If you rush Void Heart it's sub 1 hour but, why

[granite field]

yeah

better do a true ending run then lol

[steady lynx]

Like half the "Speedrun to get this charm" would just be get enough geo and unlock Sly/Salubra and maybe Elegant key

[brave vessel]

Ohh haha. I thought it was referring to that poem at the start of the game

[twin swallow]

That is also an elegy, but not the elegy% elegy (:

[daring coral]

you know what, new category, cutscene elegy%, requirments: watch the opening cutscene

[reef rain]

I’ve been doing a 5 hour speed run from a guide on steam and I can’t navigate the queens garden entrance of deep nest

And I don’t want to farm geo for the lantern cause I only have 1 hour left to get the achievement

[jagged vault]

i am almost 100% that route gets the lantern

[snow dome]

It does

[reef rain]

Looking back through the guide

I missed the lantern in section 5

[versed elbow]

Scuffed Shade Skip that still worked.

[reef rain]

Cool

[daring coral]

damage strats

more air time

[split spoke]

Damn nice

[daring coral]

big brain play

no mistakes here

[snow dome]

True Ending skip incoming

[hearty adder]

The damage boost was 100% intentional

Had a run earlier today where the shade was too close to me and I was afraid i'd just go back to its spawn, but it fired VS at me and the knockback set it in the right position

[daring coral]

i dont beleive in rng

only skill

[golden bobcat]

I get to WK at about 30 mins. I get the nail upgrade but I still can’t beat them. Any tips? I just gave up and practiced start to claw and then just started over.

[snow dome]

I personally don't like Nail 1 route

I would follow the All Skills route for extra geo, get Dash Slash, and then go get Shade Soul rather than Nail1

Nail 1 takes ages anyway, and doesn't really help in my book. Shade Soul is absurdly powerful, and the damage it does really helps mitigate the time lost from getting it

Which isn't a tonne.

(Note that this only works on 1221)

[potent thorn]

what system is hk best on?

[snow dome]

PC

[potent thorn]

ok

i have ps4

[twin swallow]

PS4 has its own leaderboard so you won't be disadvantaged against people with similar hardware

[potent thorn]

sry i thought this was the discussion thing

[golden bobcat]

I’m on current patch. What should I do then?

[snow dome]

You're going to have to just practice, I'm afraid >_<

[golden bobcat]

Should I get Nail1?

[dreamy bough]

any% WK is hard to get used to

[versed elbow]

Or lose the time having to get shopkeeper's key, buy elegant key, and fighting soul warrior 1 and 2

[dreamy bough]

it just takes practice

[dreamy bough]

don't have to fight 1

[versed elbow]

How you skipping him tho?

[digital jewel]

shaded getting shopkeeper's key makes no sense on current patch

[versed elbow]

I'm aware

[digital jewel]

ok

[golden bobcat]

That sounds like way to much of a time loss for one upgrade

[versed elbow]

I'm just saying if he wants to go for Shade Soul.

It's far too much timeloss

[golden bobcat]

I’m really new

[versed elbow]

At that point you'd be better off running All Skills

[golden bobcat]

I started practicing yesterday

[versed elbow]

Then give yourself some time

[golden bobcat]

So I’m REALLY new

[versed elbow]

My first time practicing WKs took the better part of 4 hours to get them down.

Nail 0/Base VS against them is rough.

[twin swallow]

Any% watchers are hard, the hardest part of learning the run for most new people

You are not alone

[versed elbow]

Consistent 3 cycle Uumuu?

[dreamy bough]

Yeah, it took me easy 5h to have my first "feel for it"

and i'm still not good against them by any mean

[last inlet]

yeah i'm personally finding uumuu (and epogo) harder to learn than i found wk

[versed elbow]

I'm inconsistent against WKs at best.

[twin swallow]

Missing 3 cycle uumuu and losing 20 seconds is better than chain dying to watchers and losing 20 minutes

[versed elbow]

You right

[last inlet]

that's true, you dont really die to uumuu

[golden bobcat]

What is the hardest part?

[versed elbow]

WKs

[last inlet]

honestly depends on what you're good at

[versed elbow]

Definitely

[last inlet]

i found a couple of movement tricks, mostly epogo, harder

[versed elbow]

Personally the hardest parts for me to learn were Watcher Knights and Fog Canyon acid skip.

[last inlet]

fog canyon acid skip is slightly awkward but setup's nice

so overall not too bad

[golden bobcat]

I just skip Epogo

[last inlet]

i'm trying to learn qga and that one's nasty

[versed elbow]

The setup is good. I think I just hold cdash late and make it harder on myself.

[last inlet]

so do i lmao

[versed elbow]

I'm yet to try practicing epogo

[golden bobcat]

What is Qga?

[versed elbow]

Queens Garden acid skip

[last inlet]

queen's garden acid skip

c-dash from fog canyon to queen's gardens, so you don' need isma's tear

it's very precise

[versed elbow]

I think it's technically the most precise skip in the Any% route?

[last inlet]

i think so but i still think epogo is harder

i might just be bad tho

[versed elbow]

CP or 1.2.2.1? I know they're different setups

[last inlet]

1221

i think it's nearly impossible on cp from what i've heard

[versed elbow]

With VSync on/on console there's a pretty consistent way to set it up that Emray found.

[last inlet]

ik there's consistent setups it's just that i cant do them

[versed elbow]

She made it look easy. Then again she's like 20x better than me.

[stiff delta]

1221 epogo is free cp epogo is hard but the setup is easy enough to learn

Qga is the hardest trick in the run

[uneven scarab]

Cp epogo is free

[golden bobcat]

Is Qga mandatory?

[last inlet]

ok apparently i'm not very good at epogo

no

[stiff delta]

Qga is not mandatory

There is a deepnest route

[last inlet]

there's an alternative deepnest route

[stiff delta]

But its 40 seconds slower

[last inlet]

loses around 40s

[versed elbow]

QGA is usually the last trick runners learn.

[last inlet]

for some reason i don't find it too difficult

[versed elbow]

Unless they wanna really practice it early on.

[last inlet]

compared to other tricks at least

[lucid stirrup]

loses less than 40s if you aren't doing qg optimally, and assuming you are struggling with qga, you probably aren't doing qg optimally

[snow dome]

If you're just starting I have a couple of pieces of general advice:

1. Watch Fireb0rn's guide on YouTube. All of it. Yes it's fucking 5 hours long, yes it is worth it.
2. Use safe strats and longer routes. You will eventually figure out QGA, or maybe you won't, but right now, just don't.
3. If you are struggling with bosses but really enjoy the rest of the game, run All Skills first.

This is my PSA

[versed elbow]

I sometimes wonder how many of these skips were intended by TC and how many they were just like "okay, that's cool. We're letting them keep that." After they watched speedruns of the game.

[stiff delta]

All skills propaganda

[last inlet]

tbf if you're not doing qg very well there's a good chance your deepnest movement isn't very good either

[golden bobcat]

All skills seems a bit too long for me

[last inlet]

since both are mostly movement (although it's a bit harder in qg)

[stiff delta]

We’re just talking about how shit team cherry is in #srcom-discussion shaded

[lucid stirrup]

true but qg is like exponentially harder than deepnest

[stiff delta]

mantis arena 😦

[lucid stirrup]

but if you do have an intention of going for a really good time in any%, id recommend just brute forcing qga at first. You'll get shitty times when you start, but once you finally do enough qga practice it'll click, and youll start to drop some pretty good times

[versed elbow]

I'm not calling them shit. I'm just wondering how many of these skips were intended because like they kinda intended for Spire Pogo to exist.

[last inlet]

i think it's more that more things can go wrong than that there's lots of harder movement

[snow dome]

Honestly, you would be surprised. That's why i didn't run it for a while, but my All Skills time is only about 10 minutes longer than my average Any% time

Any% is really, really hard.

[stiff delta]

Eh

Just practice

Shaded ik you weren’t talking shit on tc but we are

Honestly its kinda funny

[versed elbow]

[deft flame]

personally i find qg much harder than deepnest route

[stiff delta]

Because it is lol

[last inlet]

i think the only noticeably harder section is mantis arena

[snow dome]

Queen's Gardens is one of the hardest splits in any cat I've played.

[last inlet]

and that has a relatively consistent strat you can do

[versed elbow]

Ehhhhhh. Maybe it's just that I learned other speed games too, so like maybe I have a learning curve different from other people who started with HK.

Any% in this game 100% has a learning curve, but I don't think it's super hard.

[deft flame]

i mean just QGA + mantis arena is more than enough for it to be much harder

[last inlet]

maybe i'm just good at qg compared to the rest of the run? idk apparently i find the wrong bits hard

oh yeah qga is brutal

i was talking about qg itself

[deft flame]

but i do see your point that if you practice the mantis arena setup it gets easier

[stiff delta]

As long as you have full soul which is easy enough, mantis arena should be cake

Ill still throw there though

[last inlet]

yeah, 4 hits + vs/2vs kills them iirc

[lucid stirrup]

tbh qg is the hard part, not qga

[deft flame]

but then if you're a beginner its easy to lose a lot of hp to get QGA and then mantis arena becomes very scary

[last inlet]

that's true

[stiff delta]

Yea its nail + vs double, then use last 2 fireballs to hit them both

[golden bobcat]

I want to have a speedrun timer to be able to time for real. I know that livesplit is safe but my PC flagged it as a potentially harmful file.

[stiff delta]

Its safe

[lucid stirrup]

then again if you are beginner you can dreamnail the spikey guys whos spikes are on the wrong layer and heal too if you want

[last inlet]

you should be able to override that

[versed elbow]

It's safe

[lucid stirrup]

tell your pc not to

[hearty adder]

If it's not letting you download it then turn off your firewall for a sec

[deft flame]

yeah true too

i run CP so i didnt even think of that

[lucid stirrup]

oh yeah you can get soul from them on cp its just a million times more annoying

[versed elbow]

The only thing potentially harmful about LiveSplits is for mental state when you start seeing red numbers

[uneven scarab]

Cp sanctum is by far the most frustrating segment I’ve done

[stiff delta]

Compare to sob so you get used to seeing red

[last inlet]

i havent done a run since my first i've just practised, can't relate

[versed elbow]

Fuck CP Sanctum and Crystal Hunters

[twin swallow]

If you're distracted by the numbers, just hide the timer and only review at the end of the run

[lucid stirrup]

If you are distracted by CP sanctum, try running 1221 instead

[versed elbow]

Console

Sanctum/Crystal Hunters were my motivation to just nut up and learn Any%

Honestly, no regrets

[hearty adder]

cp Crystal hunters are cursed

[twin swallow]

If you ignore the crystal hunters entirely they almost never hit you in my experience

[golden bobcat]

Uumuu without Ismas sounds kinda scary

[twin swallow]

If you aggro them though then prepare for pain

[versed elbow]

It's not that bad, trust me.

I'm only 4 runs in @golden bobcat

The part that's gonna require a lot of patience is Watcher Knights

[warm spade]

hey how do you check what your speedrun.com ID is?

[versed elbow]

And maybe Hollow Knight. On CP he's kinda a bully

[warm spade]

or is it just your username?

[versed elbow]

I believe your ID is your username

[warm spade]

alright thanks

[versed elbow]

[golden bobcat]

I got LiveSplit working

Thank you guys

What splits should I use?

[limpid ruin]

What category are you running?

[golden bobcat]

Any%

[limpid ruin]

A good baseline is looking at the comsob (community sum of best) or wr and yoink those splits, but I'd say a bit different depending on chosen route

If I was to start now I'd probably do any% comsob (found in any% pins) but remove qga/Queens Garden acid

That way it'd still split at herrah and all the other points, but I wouldnt be locked into qga route which is honestly really hard, together with the following Queens Gardens sections

But I could still go for it if I wanted to, and splits would still be good

[snow dome]

I would put Deepnest in that spot, just so that I had the same number of splits, but that's neither here nor there really

(That's literally what I did is really what I'm saying)

[limpid ruin]

Eh, but then you lock yourself out of trying qga without messing the splits too much imho

[golden bobcat]

How does this look?

And Hollow Knight

[meager current]

Maybe add cdash and lantern

[deft flame]

just a suggestion but i really wouldn't do nail upgrade, it helps way less than you would expect

[snow dome]

I would suggest Chandelier and Watchers

Putting the boss fight into its own section is nice

[limpid ruin]

I recommend lantern before lurien, bc wk is hard, then Kings Station and Crystal heart before uumuu

[snow dome]

Like, instead of Lurien at all

[deft flame]

i'd also add gruz mother

and maybe dream nail

[limpid ruin]

Also nah, do nail upgrade when starting, no point in not doing so

[last inlet]

i personally use gruz mother as a subsplit before d nail

[snow dome]

I genuinely don't think it helps

But like, if you think it makes it easier then that's cool

[limpid ruin]

I mean it saved djnattie uumuu 2 cycles multiple times

[golden bobcat]

Is this better?

[meager current]

I have shamanS instead of gruz mother

[limpid ruin]

Objectively so

[deft flame]

looks good to me

[snow dome]

That seems good enough

[limpid ruin]

Also yea, bench

[lucid stirrup]

use this, if you are doign deepnest route replace qg with deepnest area

and dont split lurien

[last inlet]

also quick question, does anyone know how to get benchwarp for 1221?

i can't find a download for it online

[snow dome]

You cannot, I don't think

[lucid stirrup]

you cant

[last inlet]

damn

[golden bobcat]

Is there any way to save a category in LiveSplit?

[limpid ruin]

You can't, unless you port it yourself

[lucid stirrup]

save splits

[lucid stirrup]

dont split nail upgrade, so that when you swap route eventually, you can see how much time you save

[golden bobcat]

Ok

[deft flame]

thats true

even if you do nail upgrade its better not to split it

[lucid stirrup]

also no monomon split

[golden bobcat]

Should I do anything between Dreamnail and WK?

[lucid stirrup]

chandelier

basically just copy the splits i posted, so you can compare to other peopel

[meager current]

At this rate you guys are just gonna recommend splitting everything except nail upgrade

[versed elbow]

These are mine

[snow dome]

I think you should just use the regular splits everybody else uses. That way you can see where you're losing the most time compared to other people and see what you can improve

[versed elbow]

No, no shroompog

I've had this for a few days now

[golden bobcat]

How do I change the look of Livesplit?

[versed elbow]

I was just too lazy to take a new screenshot

[deft flame]

layout settings

[limpid ruin]

(split on dreamers, King's Station, shaman, thk chains, and then get wr to force change to more consistency )

[limpid ruin]

Google is a good friend

[meager current]

Google is best friend when it isn't wrong

[versed elbow]

Says no shroompog

Shroompog count goes up to 2

I love you guys.

[meager current]

Now it's 3

[versed elbow]

Yep

You guys are the best

[meager current]

4

[versed elbow]

It's also worth mentioning you don't have to make yours that god awful color. I have a chromakey to make mine transparent.

That's not required.

I actually have to fiddle with my chromakey again because my reds turn transparent instead of red.

[limpid ruin]

You can mute the colour significantly and still have use colourkey efficiently (also use colour key not chroma)

[snow dome]

I made mine into a weird shade of grey to get around it

I can't actually see my reds on the LiveSplit itself I have to look at my times on OBS

[versed elbow]

You mind giving me about 10 mins to grab a shower then walk me through how to do this?

[limpid ruin]

Also with a single colour bg your colour key should only barely key it out, bc there's only one shade basically

Sure thang

[snow dome]

Yo you should do it here just for other people who don't know what you mean who aren't me. 👀

Because I obviously already know.

[limpid ruin]

(@ srmods would it be possible to append to fireb0rn's autosplit guide or would it have to be its own thing?)

or is it already there

[hearty adder]

iirc, chroma key is mostly tailored towards irl footage, and is able to be applied on different values similar to the reference color you set, so it's able to be applied correctly independently of your lighting . While color key is geared towards digital footage which has the one consistent color throughout, so it only processes the one thing (though colors too similar to the reference hue usually end up less opaque)

i'm assuming using a chroma key on digital footage, such as livesplit, would either look worse or just be more gpu-intensive

[versed elbow]

Okay, so when I started speedrunning and using LiveSplits idk if anyone here knows the name, but I used Smallant1's tutorial on setting it up

[limpid ruin]

i think i saw that one yea

i didnt actually look into the chroma key vs colour key specifics bc math 🥴 but i trust the internet on the case

[meager current]

🥴

[hearty adder]

I learned it like 1+ year ago in uni so i only half remember how it works

[limpid ruin]

for example this colour could still be less vibrant and work without any real trouble

[meager current]

my colour is a bright blue and it works great

[thorn jasper]

Can vouch for cerpin color, she gave me the hex code and it works nicely

[limpid ruin]

and then you can just use a color key set to something like this

[twin swallow]

Any colour can work as long as you tell obs to key out that same colour and you don't have anything else that's too similar

[limpid ruin]

I think that was the lowest I could have similarity and keep the livesplit "shadows" proper

[meager current]

i replaced my blue colours on the letters with pink

[limpid ruin]

that sounds painful to look at ngl

[meager current]

haha it is

[versed elbow]

Alright, I'm good. So do I just change the color on my LiveSplits then turn off Chromakey and use something else?

[meager current]

use colour key

[versed elbow]

Aight

[limpid ruin]

yee

[versed elbow]

What's the hex code?

[limpid ruin]

could've grabbed this as well but thinking

[versed elbow]

is it 39ie2f or le2f? the quality on my laptop screen is shit

Nvm. Found it the easy way

Little dropper icon and clicked on your timer

[limpid ruin]

but like just using those colour key settings literally anything can be a decent colour as long as it doesnt clash with your other livesplit colours (ahead, behind, gold, etc etc)

[versed elbow]

So my common red/green/gold setup should be fine?

[limpid ruin]

yea, as long as the "similarity" slider is set properly low

[versed elbow]

I used your settings

So the similarity is set to 50

[limpid ruin]

The only reason I dont have it lower is bc of the lil dividing bar above the final split not being clean any lower, itd have the colour then

[versed elbow]

I'm now just messing with livesplits and positioning lol. Bottom left is what I got used to with Odyssey. I think I'mma use top right in Hollow Knight. Since not much goes on in the top right corner of this game

[deft thorn]

I just use chroma key and it works very well
but I am also not putting any strong colors in there to begin with, so my livesplit window doesn't burn out my eyes

[limpid ruin]

i mean, practically speaking you wont have issues with chromakey, but its overkill or something

[deft thorn]

it looks like this

right is my livesplit window, left chroma keyed

I think it's nice, and I couldn't get the same with color keying

[versed elbow]

I like this. Thanks @limpid ruin

[deft thorn]

sure, the split icons with black in them get a little transparent, but honestly, you don't notice it half the time because this game is so dark anyway, and when you do, it just looks artsy^^

[golden bobcat]

Is there any way to skip the super hard fall in the beginning of a run in current patch?

[versed elbow]

Nope

[limpid ruin]

ooh yea thats probably bc of having all the different shades in the default layout

[short spire]

the issue with using black as the background is that then you cant have black outlines on the text

which can make it hard to read especially for people who might have visual impairments

there's a reason subtitles usually have a black background or outlines

[limpid ruin]

fr, its a very interesting decision to have the default layout be that bad for keying

[leaden python]

another big reason is that half of assets in this game is dark grey/black

I've used black as a color key and my livesplit looked horrible on video because half of icons were transparent

[golden bobcat]

When Should I start the timer in Any% Current patch?

[limpid ruin]

console?

or pc?

[golden bobcat]

Yes

[versed elbow]

When you select difficulty

On console

[limpid ruin]

start it at the same time as selecting "difficulty" (steelsoul or not, etc)

or savefile select if those arent unlocked yet

[golden bobcat]

Ok

[versed elbow]

https://youtu.be/f6SJqC3oKYQ

@golden bobcat if a visual aid would help more.

Just watch the start for when I start the timer.

[golden bobcat]

Is there a separate leaderboard for console?

[tardy sable]

yes

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Console_Runs

[golden bobcat]

Why is console so much slower?

[tardy sable]

because you aren't getting loadless time and it is locked to current patch

[carmine yew]

it's timed real time

[golden bobcat]

What is easier to learn. 1221 or Current patch?

[carmine yew]

just about the same

current patch thk is harder

1221 wk are sometimes considered harder because of ai behavior

but it's effectively the same difficulty to learn

[versed elbow]

Current patch THK is a bully

And a very proficient Dark Souls player. Parry parry parry

[tardy sable]

i think cp uumuu is also harder

[golden bobcat]

I would prefer Switch for casual play because of portability. But I think that PC would be optimal for speedrunning. I already own it on Switch. Should I buy it on PC?

[mighty compass]

just remember if you do end up buying it on PC you can always transfer your save

[snow dome]

That's up to you really

[tardy sable]

having it on pc means modding support and a debug mod, which is really helpful for practicing

[versed elbow]

Switch honestly isn't that bad.

[tardy sable]

so you can reset a boss that you killed, give you infinite hp/soul, etc

[thorn jasper]

learning 1221 brings with it a wider breadth of community knowledge

[mighty compass]

is there a way to go back to 1221

[golden bobcat]

How?

[mighty compass]

steam betas i'm assuming

[mighty compass]

there's an online save editor that allows you to put in your switch save and download it as a PC save

[golden bobcat]

Ok

[daring coral]

only on pc i think

[mighty compass]

well yeah i have it on PC

[thorn jasper]

downpatching guide in pinned messages

[mighty compass]

oh thanks

[daring coral]

you need to download a few things

[golden bobcat]

If I’m buying it it’ll probably be on some sale

[daring coral]

steam downpatch

[twin swallow]

If you're buying on pc, I hear down patching is much easier on gog than steam

[stiff delta]

its so very easy

[mighty compass]

i'll look into that guide later, i have work to do and i'm currently just taking a break from writing lmao

[stiff delta]

literally just a press of a button, ez pz

[golden bobcat]

What icon should I use for the chandelier at WK in LiveSplit?

[formal bough]

a chandelier perhaps?

[golden bobcat]

I didn't find a png of the chandelier

[short spire]

i use this

this is the full chandelier but it's way too detailed for a split icon

[golden bobcat]

Ok

Ty

This is what I have now

Any suggestions?

[slate fulcrum]

you can use some of these

[golden bobcat]

(I put Lurien right after WK)

[slate fulcrum]

these are all just .png files so i guess it's ok if i send that

[chrome bramble]

does anyone have tips for timing Qga skip its much easier to to acid skip to fog canyon but Qga is much harder

[slate fulcrum]

lmao

[golden bobcat]

Is there any way to preview without downloading?

[slate fulcrum]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources

you can get it from here too

it's the same thing

i just renamed the zip file

[tardy sable]

i remember emray has a video thing for it, maybe try that #speedrunning message

[chrome bramble]

Thank you that really helped

[tardy sable]

np, thank emray 😛

[chrome bramble]

true but i wouldnt of found it

its a twitch clip its not on youtube

[tardy sable]

lol i healed on the 4th phase on my pb when i was at one mask because i wanted to play safe, and then i smacked HK again and he died

[chrome bramble]

I lost a pb like an hour ago thk is so hard on CP

[wintry bone]

Anyone know a way to get the shortcut near flukemarm from the wrong side on 1221?

[short spire]

not a thing

if it was it'd def be used in 106

[wintry bone]

Rats. Thanks Ax

[wintry bone]

Is the super quick kill on flukemarm considered NMG safe?

with the infinite dive?

[ionic sparrow]

what do you mean by that

[wintry bone]

is it considered a major glitch

[ionic sparrow]

The fluke quick kill is nmg

Yeah it’s fine

[wintry bone]

okay ty

[meager current]

is flukemarm quick kill the one with ddark?

[wintry bone]

wasn't sure if it fell under the category of breaking boss ai

you can do it with ddark or just regular dive

[golden bobcat]

If I close Livesplit, will my current time be saved?

[limpid ruin]

if you save your splits, yes

but you cant resume a run no

[golden bobcat]

Ok

Strats to kill Great Husk Sentry in The Spire?

Fast

[uneven scarab]

6 fireballs and hits to get soul for 6 fireballs

[golden bobcat]

What are some ways to make WK easier while not losing too much time?

[limpid ruin]

Learning the fight mostly

[uneven scarab]

What’s ur damage?

(Basically: u doing any% or a different category?)

[limpid ruin]

There's alternate routes with nail 1 upgrade or shade soul, and resources in fireb0rn's any% guide and the pest video in the #any-percent-nmg pins

[stuck raptor]

there is no substitute for practice when it comes to WK

just gotta put in the work to practice that fight

[haughty shard]

[golden bobcat]

Any% but I get nail 1

[golden bobcat]

I’m on current patch so I can’t do the shade soul skip

[limpid ruin]

Yea, then I'd just say practice practice practice, then more practice

[warm spade]

im very excited about finally getting my recording to work

it makes my game a bit eh but at least it finally works

im gonna try my best to complete a run today

after i get a lot of all skills practice im gonna work on zote% for the marathon cause thats what i signed up for

idk if itll be there but still seems like a fun run

[limpid ruin]

Zote% 👀

The movement in deepnest and that climb up to colo is sooooo good

[uneven scarab]

U really want to do colo 1 with no damage

[warm spade]

being the first one, at least its the easiest

[deft thorn]

can't git gud if you don't do hard stuff

tbf colo 1 with no damage is way harder than it would seem if you haven't done it yet

but I really respect anyone who does hard stuff

[warm spade]

can i not get hit at all?

[limpid ruin]

You can get hit, it's just kinda hard to heal, and stay alive at times

[warm spade]

oh yeah true

but colo 1 isnt bad

just gonna be tedious dealing with the high hp enemies at low level

[uneven scarab]

Ye

[deft thorn]

I don't know what charms and spells you will have
but I recently had to do no damage colo1 for room rando and only then did I realize just how fucked nail 0 is lol

[limpid ruin]

Soul catcher nail 0 and base vs lfg

[deft thorn]

holy that's it 👀

that truly is no damage at all

not even shaman stone?

[warm spade]

yeah it kinda sucks

[deft thorn]

ok my respect to zote% runners

I think combat in this game is kinda hard, ngl

at least with low gear

quite unlike dark souls, which is designed to be very playable with low gear, and is a very gratifying experience

[warm spade]

wait hollow knight is hard?

[deft thorn]

hm, not sure if you are being sarcastic
I did think hk was harder than dark souls by a little bit, but my previous community was geometry dash, if that's something you recognize

[warm spade]

yeah i was being sarcastic

havent played dark souls but i really wanna at some point

[deft thorn]

after putting geometry dash on an extended hiatus, coming to hk felt like a very chill experience, ngl

[warm spade]

oh geometry dash

[deft thorn]

and yeah, definitely recommend it

[versed elbow]

Can you buffer a dream nail on 1.2.2.1?

Just curious

[jagged vault]

yes

you can use it to gain early control from essence collection animations from dreamwarriors

check a run of True Ending to see how they do it

[deft thorn]

well, I have 800 hours in that game

twice as many as in hk

and the same is true for hk and dark souls, imho, you choose your difficulty based on your playstyle and progression and which items you collect/don't collect and also, which restrictions/challenges you enact upon yourself

[versed elbow]

Why would current patch remove this...

[jagged vault]

because team cherry didn't like it pretty much

[daring coral]

why didnt team cherry add a button in KP that just deletes THK, this is so sad

[stable bronze]

my run was verified!

[granite field]

nice

[formal bough]

link the run for a blue name

[versed elbow]

Ayyyy

Where's nugget?

[stable bronze]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/zqgwdw9m

it me

[versed elbow]

I think I just booped his PB unless he got a new one.

[formal bough]

ping any speedrun mod to speed up the coloring process btw

[versed elbow]

He's a WR holder?

[stable bronze]

technically

[formal bough]

world record out of 2 runs, not many console runners

but still sub hour real time is impressive

[versed elbow]

I mean it's sub hour

So congrats my guy

[stable bronze]

danke

[formal bough]

Probably around 80th for loadless? which is around the top half so again, impressive

@digital jewel consequences of being first alphabetically, give our new wr holder a shiny blue name

[stable bronze]

I can be gracious in many languages

[versed elbow]

Let's Go

[tardy sable]

ayy

[stable bronze]

🎵 I'm blue a da bo dee

[mighty compass]

what's NMG

oh nvm

no major glitches

[tardy sable]

no major glitches

[mighty compass]

whoops

forgot LMAO

[stuck raptor]

No major glitches

[worthy sluice]

Shaded beat my pb!!!! : O

[worthy sluice]

I wish i could do an attempt

[jagged vault]

gg shaded!

[versed elbow]

Thank you guys

[worthy sluice]

Looks like your gunna get sub hour first

I cant do a run until thursday

School and extracurriculars

[stable bronze]

gg!

[versed elbow]

I'm finally starting to

That THK practice the other night came in clutch

[worthy sluice]

I'm decent at thk

Its wk I suck at

That watcher knights split looks pretty hot ngl

I do

Its just I especially suck at wk

[versed elbow]

I went in today with the mindset of "I'm first trying WKs"

I reset 3 runs because I died to them.

I'm about to. I decided to eat after I finished

I'll post it here when it's up

[worthy sluice]

I get to try about 1 run per day

Kinda trash

But thats all the time I have

[long ginkgo]

So what would you guys consider a good speed run time

[stuck raptor]

10 minutes

[thorn jasper]

as long as you're proud of where you've come, and you're looking forward to improving, then it's a good time

[crystal relic]

yeps

[long ginkgo]

What yours guys speed run times ?

[crystal relic]

1h 40min

[stuck raptor]

category dependent

[long ginkgo]

Any percent

[stuck raptor]

2 hrs 12 minutes. 100%

[crystal relic]

Juicy

[versed elbow]

1hr 7mins Any% NMG

[crystal relic]

I'm more of a pop runner

I do any% but I die too much to uumuu

[versed elbow]

That's not the boss I expected you to say

[thorn jasper]

most of our times are here: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/

[crystal relic]

lul

[versed elbow]

Who made this cursed thing?

[thorn jasper]

[stuck raptor]

team cherry

[versed elbow]

Oh dear lord

Why is yours even more cursed?

[crystal relic]

I stopped dieing to wk

[thorn jasper]

they made this emote?

[stuck raptor]

they made uumuu

[thorn jasper]

[stuck raptor]

[crystal relic]

Press g to dab

cursed mod

[stuck raptor]

ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

[versed elbow]

[long ginkgo]

[crystal relic]

I Legit bought hollow knight on my brothers pc(mine was too potato)
Just to try mods

fun stuff

[long ginkgo]

God almighty it’s perfect

[crystal relic]

Out of what

oh yes(I use it for studying tho)

[verbal junco]

ok this is going good
43+ minute lurien

(and yes, it's still going)

(maybe i should've gotten charm notches)

no i just suck at wk and only have 3 notches

[wheat orbit]

I'm having trouble disabling the debug mod for a speedrun

[formal bough]

verify game install should work

it should reset the game to default vanilla, and all you would have to do is re-install modding api

[wheat orbit]

is that a program?

[formal bough]

wait what do you have the game installed on? It's an option on steam

[jagged vault]

droop you might want to set up multiple installs

there's a good guide to doing that on speedrun.com

[daring coral]

i just flawlessed WK

[wheat orbit]

This is where my 1.2.2.1 is

[daring coral]

hecking frick

[deft thorn]

2:30 is my PB after 300+ attempts
2:14 is my PB after 2 attempts
But the first is minutes, and the second hours
And the first is an IL, the seconds AS

[daring coral]

wasnt even that slow

AS so less impressive but ok

[deft thorn]

Hm, I don't know in what system you put hours after minutes

The first time is in minutes

[marble kestrel]

Do you guys know any good source for speedruning on console?

[daring coral]

holy fuck i've beat WK like 3 imes in a row

im getting less shit

[jagged vault]

moru your best bet is watching other console and current patch runs

[marble kestrel]

Yeah thats what i thought thanks guys

[jagged vault]

console is locked to current patch, and cannot use the autosplitter or load remover (and therefore times in real time)

there are boards just for console to provide even competition for console runners

[wheat orbit]

is it okay if this is still showing up?

[twin swallow]

No, the modding API must be completely removed for your run to be valid on a non-modded leaderboard

[tardy sable]

in a submitted run, no

[wheat orbit]

so even though it is out of the folder, I need to delete the api from my computer?

[tardy sable]

from speedrun.com

[twin swallow]

Verify integrity of game files in steam to do this for you

[tardy sable]

generally we have two seperate installs for using the modding api (for practice) and one for actually speedrunning

[twin swallow]

The modding API improves game performance slightly, even if no mods are actually installed

[wheat orbit]

oh okay

Thanks for the help

[deft thorn]

If you verify integrity of game files, you will lose your 1221 install btw

In case you are on 1221

If you didn't make a backup of your install before modding it, you may have to downpatch again for a clean 1221

[wheat orbit]

so when I try to get 1221 back, I should make multiple installs

[tardy sable]

yep

[deft thorn]

This is why it's generally a good idea to have multiple installs (modded and vanilla, for 1221 and cp, if desired) and also a backup of a vanilla 1221, so you don't need to downpatch again if you lose it or it gets corrupted

[wheat orbit]

wait I just verified and I have my 1221 still

with the mod

[deft thorn]

Since vanilla 1221 is the thing that takes the longest to reacquire

[wheat orbit]

wait I just realized

[deft thorn]

That's strange
Did you already have it in a different folder?

[wheat orbit]

my Modded 1221 is running from steamapps -> content

not from the normal place

[jagged vault]

The difference is quite minimal, so they are in the same boards. Swich however has much slower loads and therefore gets it’s on boarss

*boards

No idea tbh

[wheat orbit]

eh everything too confusing, I just uninstall and reinstall

if I uninstall game from steam client, then delete all the files

I still keep my progress right?

[granite field]

Saves are on a different folder, if I'm not wrong

should be something/Locallow/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight

Don't remember the correct root

[formal bough]

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[wheat orbit]

I'm gonna keep a backup of the data from my current patch main run just in case

[granite field]

good idea

[daring coral]

why cant i count

i keep getting 2 hits of soul and trying to cast

[tardy sable]

you played too much with soul eater/spell twister

[daring coral]

never used it

my brain just goes, its higher than 1, its probably 3

[hearty adder]

Just gotta learn the rhythm until you don't even think about it

[daring coral]

fair

should be on speedrun.com

i think?

[hearty adder]

For future reference, it's next to Low%

[daring coral]

ok im confused

im doing WK

i either win with like 3 masks left or die on knight 2-3

i basicaly never get in the middle

[hearty adder]

that's just how it is sometimes

[stuck raptor]

b/c they wanted to

[marble kestrel]

Sorry i chose the wrong category

[long ginkgo]

Hey do you guys have any tips for an any percent speed run

[hearty adder]

watch fireb0rn's guide and good luck
https://youtu.be/RLS9SH7MrO0

and then also check the src guides and the posts over at #resources

The differences between 1221 and cp any% aren't super huge

at least not when compared to something like All Skills

[long ginkgo]

How do you check what your version your playing ?

[hearty adder]

If you haven't downpatched, you're playing on current patch

the patch is listed on the title screen

[long ginkgo]

K thanks

[daring coral]

does dashing take away i-frames?

[digital jewel]

from? dive?

[daring coral]

ye

[digital jewel]

yeah it might

I don't fully remember the mechanics of dive iframes on current patch

[daring coral]

im on 1.2.2.1

[digital jewel]

does it cancel iframes on 1221?

[daring coral]

thats what im trying to figure out

it feels like it does but that might just be it running out of time

[limpid ruin]

I thought dive iframes were a fixed time no matter what

Might very well be wrong tho, never actually thought about it

[snow dome]

I'm pretty sure they're a fixed amount of time on 1221, and on cp certain actions cancel them, like nail swings and spells

[short spire]

really, all spells and nail swings? i thought it's just doing another dive

[stark stream]

blehh a usb for my wireless 360 controller doesn't work. ig ill just buy a wired controller.

the internet has lied and made me waste $10 smh

[snow dome]

I could've sworn nail did, and it might only be dive not any spell

[short spire]

yeah im not claiming anything for certain either, im not a cp player

[snow dome]

I assumed they fixed chain dive by making it any spell but that would've been consistent, so it probably isn't.

[stark stream]

im not sure but i don't remember nail slashing cancelling a dive

[snow dome]

I know that the strat for CP Watchers is to dive, walk out of the dive, then nail before repeating, so I assume that dash, nail, and dive all do at the very least, or else you would probably dash instead of walk.

It doesn't cancel the dive, it cancels the I frames after the dive

[uneven scarab]

That’s why i can’t do 3 dives really close to each other in a row

[snow dome]

Edited my comment so it made sense

[snow dome]

This. On 1221 you just spam the spell button.

[sleek oasis]

hey i want to try to speedrun the game in under 5 hours can i have some tips

[tardy sable]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

abuse descending dark

[jaunty anvil]

DDARK

[hearty adder]

if you want the achievements go to the steam guide, if you want to do a speedrun for the leaderboards pick a category and then check the src guides, the pins here, and #resources

[versed elbow]

Here's the video @mighty vault

https://youtu.be/yg6WRUdVReQ

[tardy sable]

ayyy there it is

[formal bough]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[formal bough]

^the command for the people curious about achievements

[tardy sable]

it's funny because some guy in #hk-help told him to come here lol

[daring coral]

ok ive managed to get hornet conststent

[tardy sable]

lol, idk

[daring coral]

i havent died in like 20 mins of tries

[tardy sable]

hornet 2 i am assuming?

[daring coral]

no 1

[tardy sable]

oh ok

[daring coral]

i went back to practice

ive yet to try 2

also im not sure but i think i might have just got a tripple hit w/ fireball

[tardy sable]

i feel like if I am on one mask during hornet 1, i can just heal during a stagger

lose some time but at least I have to option to heal

[daring coral]

i have not healed once in all my time here

i work on the logic that if shes dead she cant kill me

[tardy sable]

oh

ok

fair

[daring coral]

it seems to be working for the most part

im proud of it

ummm

she stuck

[stuck raptor]

yup

happens

just wait til you kill her upside down

or stagger her into the floor

[daring coral]

tf?

if this was to happen in a run is there a way to fix it?

[stuck raptor]

reset

[daring coral]

f

[stuck raptor]

just be proud that you've joined the long line of runners that killed her on the perfect trajectory to get stuck in the door

[tardy sable]

lol

[daring coral]

yay

[tardy sable]

only happened once to me in practice

[daring coral]

its the first gamebreaking bug ive encountered other than benchfloat which is kind of my fault

[tardy sable]

next is locking the game at dreamer statues

[daring coral]

?

[stuck raptor]

or VK scream

or getting butt slide THK

[tardy sable]

#speedrunning message

[daring coral]

thats a fancy pose

the knight has mastered the sustained flop

[hearty adder]

at least butt slide THK isn't a softlock, just very annoying

[tardy sable]

every time butt slide THK has happened I have died

which is twice exactly

[stuck raptor]

i don't think you can kill him anymore when he's in that state

[tardy sable]

oh damn did not know that

[limpid ruin]

Doesn't thk's hp go below 0 for every phase change and stuff?

Seemed that way when I used debug enemy panel

[hearty adder]

i'm almost sure the few times i've gotten butt slide THK they stopped eventually and kept fighting as normal, but also I haven't had that in a long time so i'm not sure

[hearty adder]

but why

[limpid ruin]

Bc yes

[stuck raptor]

no. only the final phase change is below 0

and he's given 250 hp

for the limping phase

https://clips.twitch.tv/FrailCoyPresidentJonCarnage?tt_content=url&tt_medium=clips_api

butt slide glitch

[hearty adder]

ngl, pogoing on THK like that looks kinda hypnotic

[stuck raptor]

i'm trying to find upside down hornet

cuz it's hilarious

[hearty adder]

Upside down Hornet best Hornet

I only got upside down Hornet once during the pantheons

[stuck raptor]

yeah. the animation plays out going up still

but she's upside down

[surreal prism]

finally got speedrun 1 and 2...

got a time of 3 hours 30 minutes at my first attempt

any of you have tips on making the time better?

thats what i used

[formal bough]

the pins are 10/10

[tardy sable]

where did you die? Problem solve them

[surreal prism]

lmao

[hearty adder]

If you have the resources on hand, just practice getting better at movement and bosses

[surreal prism]

true

[hearty adder]

there's not much more than that

if you're on pc get debug mod

[surreal prism]

im playing on switch

i was asking if there was any skips i can do to impove the time

( i was using fireborn's guide)

[tardy sable]

depends on hard you want it

if you want to get into speedrunning, we use a different route where we don't get ddark

but you can get around 1h still using ddark

[surreal prism]

i assume that i just have to optimize the strategy

and routing

[tardy sable]

uhh isn't that that what i said?

[surreal prism]

ye

[hearty adder]

if you were using the guide, that has the whole route and the skips; at that point it's a matter of practice

[tardy sable]

i was assuming he's using the 5hr speedrun guide

[surreal prism]

i was

[hearty adder]

ooh, i thought they meant the any% guide

then just switch to the any% one, lol

[limpid ruin]

Let's just say team cherry never actually fixes stuff, they just put limit your abilities/options instead, so basically every skip is possible, just more annoying

[surreal prism]

no im not that good especialy when i just came back to the game after a while

[limpid ruin]

(it implied only any% is a category)

[tardy sable]

oh yea

I think playing on that route is pretty fun, but ddark is really a big training wheel. Nevertheless you can decent times with it. I did a run with that route earlier, the only thing i did different is I think i did the mosquito skip in greenpath because i wasn't thinking
https://youtu.be/UDC-nE24cQI

[hearty adder]

You can try using the all skills route as inspiration for your next try

Just inspiration, not a 1-on-1

they can pick up relics and get lantern if they don't wanna be 100% strict

[surreal prism]

yeah im just going to do the run, just better

same run

without dying to the charm notch room...lmao

anyways thanks guys

[versed elbow]

Do I wanna submit this one to lbs

I had a horrible early game

In my PB I died to Watcher Knights like 4 times, Uumuu took like 30 mins, and THK wasn't first try

Yea

The PB was gonna be fat

I first tried all of them this run

[versed elbow]

Yea

If I don't die in my next run there it could be like 1:04-1:05

[daring coral]

oops

not sure which word it didnt like but i guess i used one

well i got to watcher knights in a practice run and forgot the chandeleer because i have no brain

but i still beat them first try

[versed elbow]

Was on 1 mask and got hit by a laser that I didn't think would hit me

[tardy sable]

ouch

[versed elbow]

You had to square up with 6 Sonic Wannabes

Well you beat them lol

All that matters

[daring coral]

yeah, its annoying enough in AS, i dread to think of what any% would be like

[tardy sable]

WK with ddark and without are two different fights

[daring coral]

never beat grimm

[limpid ruin]

Wk with ddark is the most annoying piece of crappy rng ever

[daring coral]

yeah but im just going for survival rather than optimal speed so its fine for me

[limpid ruin]

Fair. I remember having to actually practice them significantly even in all skills bc ddark don't actually make them free whoulda thunk that

[daring coral]

yeah i practiced for about half an hour today and now im fairly consistant

i beat them about 4/5 of the time

yeah theres a reason im doing AS

yeah i hate those

[versed elbow]

Any% isn't too bad

[daring coral]

i have aphantasia so theyre pure hell

[worthy sluice]

Any% funnn

[versed elbow]

Have you done a run yet?

[limpid ruin]

Any% isn't too bad ...once you've put in double digit hours on wk

[worthy sluice]

Besides wk, Cuz wk is too hard

[dull lion]

Are you dream nailing them as they spawn Delurzum? Because if you are you should be able to keep your soul high enough that they barely have a chance to attack you and you just spam ddark

[daring coral]

yeah ive got the timing to have full soul when 2 and 3 spawn

4 and 5 are a bit of a crapshoot though

[dull lion]

Are you on current patch or 1221? And yeah 4 and 5 are a bit sketchier

[limpid ruin]

Are you on current patch or 1221?

[daring coral]

1.2.2.1

[limpid ruin]

Nice. I like dnailing the 4th one once then doing some any% style rotations to build soul, then shade soul to hit both 4 and 5

[versed elbow]

I feel attacked

[daring coral]

ive never done any% so i dont really know the rotation for that

[limpid ruin]

Pogo on two at a time when they're ganged up, then ddark

[dull lion]

Because if you have the dream nail on 2 and 3 down it should be pretty consistent for you. Are you starting ddark immediately after 2 and 3 spawn you should be able to kill at least 1 right away every time

[daring coral]

in general im trying to hit them in the back once then pogo twice then dd

[limpid ruin]

Understandable. It's basically just nail nail pogo dash over nail fb nail fb

But having previous experience helps a ton yee

[daring coral]

yeah i usually get 1 dead straight away

sometimes both but im guessing thats down to rng of them running away rather than a difference in play

ill look for it

[dull lion]

Yeah it is. Sounds like your fundamentals are pretty decent. Just keep practicing and it’ll probably get really consistent for you soon

[limpid ruin]

The #any-percent-nmg pins has it

[daring coral]

thanks

is there a way to make my nail do 0 damage but still show hits?

im wondering about killing all but 1 and just practicing not getting hit and doing that pattern

[formal bough]

you can make bosses invincible

if you want

(or rather 9999 hp)

[daring coral]

how do i do that?

[formal bough]

I think it's the x button in the debug pause menu for enemies

[daring coral]

ok i found it thanks

its the infinity sign

[formal bough]

oh that's what it is

[full prairie]

Lets go!

[faint mulch]

So, I don't technically have a speedrun question, but I figure this is the only section where I can find people good enough to help me. Discussion isn't helping much.

[formal bough]

go to help I can talk to you

[faint mulch]

Okay cool.

[pine wave]

Ugh I keep having runs die to the mantises in qg

[daring coral]

f

[pine wave]

This one would've been the sub hour otherwise

[dim arch]

is there a practice version of the game?

[carmine yew]

Debug mod is in #resources

[dim arch]

oh cool thanks

[stark stream]

no practicing allowed

you get one attempt ever. make it count

[steady lynx]

Horheristo moment

[twin cosmos]

hi i was wondering if someone could help, i down patched my game 1.2.2.1 and made a separate folder for the down patched version so i could have that and the current version but when i run the executable for 1.2.2.1 it just opens my current patch version, any idea?

[uneven scarab]

U running as administrator?

[twin cosmos]

oh do i need to? i'll try that

[uneven scarab]

I hear that that’s usually why, but sometimes it can be something else, in which case I prolly can’t help

[thorn jasper]

usual troubleshooting for that symptom is: please make sure you have steam_appid.txt in that directory with the correct number. if you are unsure, screenshot the folder contents for us to sanity check

[twin swallow]

underscore required not dash

[twin cosmos]

OH

im dumb thank you

i corrected the error but unfortunately its the same

[weary root]

the number is "367520"?

[twin cosmos]

yeah it is!

[thorn jasper]

Is your Hollow Knight 1.2.2.1 directory under anything like C:\Program Files, or maybe under AppData? If so I'd move it to like your personal Documents folder

[twin cosmos]

i have it as Desktop/Hollow Knight 1.2.2.1/depot_367521

[weary root]

Are you trying to run it from the folder or from steam?

[twin cosmos]

ive tried both, but still the same

it seems strange it has no reason to be running my current patch version

[weary root]

and it says 1.4.3.2 in the bottom left? just making sure

[twin cosmos]

it was but i just got it

for some reason having it in the depot folder stopped it from working