speedrunning

[twin cosmos]

i put the files directly in the folder i made and now its working :)

[weary root]

Awesome! GL with runs

[twin cosmos]

thanks! and thank you guys for the help

[modern umbra]

For current patch, are there any major difference in routes compared to 1.2.2.1?

any percent nmg

[lucid stirrup]

in all skills yes

roomwise no, but the lever room in spire is much different

[modern umbra]

Only that?

[lucid stirrup]

because you cant lever skip so you have to kill the sentry

also there's no damage warp in qg

[modern umbra]

I'm just looking for a casual speedrun, I don't plan on going for an amazing run so just knowing the differences help

also if possible, is there a map route somewhere?

Thanks

nice, its not opening

don't know what changed but got it open now, neato

[lucid stirrup]

also i recommend fireborns'

[golden bobcat]

Any way to grind practicing WK with the exact equipment I will have at that point without having to start a new run every time I beat them?

[thorn jasper]

If you're on pc you can set a savestate with debug mod

[golden bobcat]

I’m on Switch so that won’t work

[coral scroll]

Will the debug mod work on all patches, like 1.0.2.8?

[stray kestrel]

you need a version-specific debug mod and modding api

[warm spade]

do i have blue name yet?

oh :(

oh well

i get that it takes time

anyway speedrunning am i right?

[stray kestrel]

send the link to your run for the mods

[modern umbra]

admittedly I haven't played HK in a long time, but I completely forgot how difficult WK are, my practice run ended up me getting stuck there for an hour

[granite field]

I guess you can rest at bench before the fight and when there is 1 WK left, quit to title screen and come back to retry

That's still useful to train even if it's a bit longer than on pc with debug

[modern umbra]

where should I start looking for setting up debug mode? I'm gonna need a lot of practice against WK

[granite field]

modinstaller in #resources, then pick debug mode in the menu of installer and this should be ok

Be careful of the version tho

there is a debug for 1221 too

[jaunty anvil]

thinking of using a gamecube controller 2 speedrun this game cuz my ps4 controller is dying

r there any ways on getting mor control over repmapping controls ?

i hav it working but i wanna try making stuff like dpad imput dream nail n shit like that so

[snow dome]

You will want an external program that remaps your buttons to keyboard inputs

[jaunty anvil]

ty

[solid sphinx]

when in the run any% route do you get the crossroads station?

[meager current]

before shamanstone

[solid sphinx]

ohhh

ok thanks

[snow dome]

I also bench at crossroads station with 36 Geo on the regs before I fight False Knight because I also cannot remember where I'm up to at any point in the early game. 👀

[jagged vault]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@jagged vault, you left Randomizer Racer.

[midnight storm]

36 geos ?

You should have a maximum of 18 at this point

[stark stream]

i make it a game to have 0

[midnight storm]

[limpid ruin]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@limpid ruin, you left Randomizer Racer.

[limpid ruin]

Sorry gotta follow blue (also I check the channel regardless of pings )

[deft thorn]

same actually

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@deft thorn, you left Randomizer Racer.

[deft thorn]

I will be rejoining after AS tourney is over or I am out, dw

but I have been more sad to not be able to join the rando pings recently because of work and also AS, so I'd rather keep them out for now and then I can enjoy them fully once I get time again^^

[snow dome]

?rank Randomizer Racer

[sick raven]

@snow dome, you left Randomizer Racer.

[daring coral]

hey can anyone give me some help with WK?

im trying to do the 123 jump patern

but i keep jumping into them

should i be jumping away then turning?

[snow dome]

No

Straight up, then dash

[limpid ruin]

You should just jump straight up if started early enough

[snow dome]

If you're getting hit there then you're too late

[limpid ruin]

Or too low

It's better to be too high than too low

[snow dome]

Also, I think of it as:
Nail->nail->swap sizes->nail

That helped me

Also yes make sure you're actually jumping over them, that's pretty important

[daring coral]

ok that feels more consistent but i also feel like ive only time for 2 nail hits

also ill be doing all skills so ive been trying to figure out how to incorporate ddark ito this rather than VS

[haughty fossil]

if you're doing all skills: spam ddark into them and they will die

[daring coral]

yeah but someone told me to learn the rotation to help me avoid stupid damage

i need 3 nail hits still

ive just been pogoing for now but they tent to hit me if they jump up

[haughty fossil]

if you're on 1221 then you should just be able to spam ddark and you won't get hit, if you run out of soul you can dash out of their hitbox

[daring coral]

yeah but once im out of their hitbox would it not be helpfull to know how to hit them to gather soul?

if im being stupid here please tell me

[snow dome]

All Skills is very different

The first one dies to triple spell
The second one you dream nail on wake up, then hit it two-three times then walk left and hit the next one a couple of times, then you D-Dark them both.

It's not the same damage rotation at all

[daring coral]

ah

[snow dome]

Your aim on all Skills is to get soul and then kill them, whereas on any% you need to be consistent in your nail hits because you want to time your fireballs on the latter stages to double or triple hit them

[daring coral]

i can get the first one with spam, then i can get full soul for 2 and 3, kill at least one of them, then i start improvising which tends to result in damage

[haughty fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmpYSGi5wzI&ab_channel=PiscesFL c.9:30 is where he starts wk

[daring coral]

yeah thats the video i was watching

ill rewatch it

[floral tulip]

oi gente

d boa?

[daring coral]

Português?

[soft jolt]

Yep

[soft jolt]

Sou brasileiro se precisar de algo

[short spire]

english only in this chat please

[soft jolt]

Yep, I know

That's why I said to contact me if needed

Probably he doesn't know english

[median gull]

I'm also brazilian, just DM me any questions you have.

[daring coral]

i speak english, im very helpful

[limpid ruin]

Even on 1221 all skills you still have to gather soul for the ddark spam, especially for the last pair and for bad first pair rng

It's a bit weird to tell someone to not learn a fight properly just bc you can brute force

[snow dome]

I'm not saying don't learn it properly, but that is not the ideal way to do the fight on All Skills is the thing. That damage rotation fills your soul meter to the top, and outside of dream nailing you don't want to do that. You also need to not constantly swap sides because you need to make sure both Knights stay together as much as possible, and the more you move the more likely it is one will just roll to the other side of the arena

[daring coral]

so what should i be doing to get soul?

pogos?

[ivory roost]

Dream nail?

[daring coral]

yeah but while theyre awake

[snow dome]

Yeah, so as they wake up you dream nail for 33, then you can usually get 2 hits in for free before they do anything.

So the first one is actually free because you start the fight with 99 soul. There's no movement it can do where you don't kill it before it does something.

The first pair you can mess up the setup and only have 66 soul. As soon as the second becomes active and damageable, just spam as many D-Darks as you have. If they are still alive then you want to ideally just pick one in the corner and then do the final D-Dark.

[daring coral]

yeah im ok at first 3

but 4 and 5 i tend to only start with 33

[snow dome]

Then you run over to the left, dream nail the first of the last pair as it wakes up. At this point you go nail nail, jump, dash into the corner, then nail nail again. If it slashes, do two pogos

[daring coral]

and theyre split up so i cant ddark them both

[snow dome]

You should be able to stay just doing this until the other one comes over, then you spam D-Dark.

That's generally how you should be doing the fight

[daring coral]

ok ill try that in a bit

thanks

[snow dome]

If they start rolling and things out call get a little chaotic, but the general advice in the video of "Stay in the corner so they stay together" is very important. If they start bouncing and you're not sure how to deal with it, just do a dive for I Frames. It might not hit both properly, but you will do some damage, and you shouldn't take a hit.

[daring coral]

fair, its difficult to kill them if youre dead

[snow dome]

Killing them after you die is definitely the hardest strat to learn.

[daring coral]

i suppose ill just have to practice it

[versed elbow]

Now that I'm better at the game maybe I'll try All Skills again.

Actually I'll probably wait till after I get my sub hour Any%

[midnight storm]

Sub 1 Any% is a good goal yeah

[finite heart]

Anyone got a route for nkg%? Im working on one just curious if someone already has it.

Also is there anyway to get into fungal core without wings?

[midnight storm]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#NKG

You can look at the route they are currently using for NKG%

[steady lynx]

We skip fungal core and do hive

Somehow easier

[leaden python]

I was trying to lab jumpdash into fungal core but wasn't able to pull it off 😔

[finite heart]

Skip core? Dont you need all the flames? Im gonna have to watch this now

[normal aspen]

theres 4

[frigid rapids]

you get a free flame from Brumm

[finite heart]

Ooooooh that actually makes sense then. Core is the only one that requires wings so the cuts out broken vessel and an extra trip to basin.

[stuck saffron]

RIP to my save got overwhelmed in city of tears revisited a few days later and died again LMAO

No lumafly lantern perms

forgot where my shade was at

i was city of tears 1 hour 5 mins i doubt that's very good i have never even attempted a speedrun before

losing 2k geo in a speedrun really destroys a man's heart

[golden bobcat]

Should I split selling relics to Lemm?

[finite heart]

Id imagine you want as few trips to lemm as possible

[golden bobcat]

Do you use more than one?

[golden bobcat]

I mean in LiveSplit. Not splitting the trips

[finite heart]

Oh. I dont use anything

Ive only played on switch so far. I actually really want to build my first pc and start streaming whatever. Probably do a few HK streams to make sure everything works and then do blue fire blind.

Im either blind or there isnt a route saved for nkg% on speedrun.com

[haughty fossil]

depends what category & what you prefer

there is not a route for nkg% on src because it is a very new category w/ afaik a still-evolving route

you can try watching the wr to get an idea of what the route is

[finite heart]

Yeah im going to have to. Ill type out my current thoughts at my lunch break. Brumm giving a flame makes things a bit tighter.

[livid stirrup]

Okay nkg% sounds terrifying

Like I'm good at the fight but good grief fighting him low equipment would be An Experience

[golden bobcat]

How do I use multiple categories in LiveSplit? If i change the category can I somehow save the splits to that particular category?

[haughty fossil]

right click > save splits

then you can close them, and start editing a new set of splits

[tame hare]

why is the autosplitter not working?

[charred sigil]

ooo

does it normally work for you when you do this/

[normal aspen]

do u need end triggering autosplit on?

[haughty fossil]

you do you want the final split to trigger

[tame hare]

so you need end triggering autosplit on

[thorn jasper]

is it autosplitting neither?

without end-triggering, it should split both but then keep going I think

[tame hare]

its splitting kings station

[thorn jasper]

oh, if you only have two splits in the layout, then yeah end-triggering

if you had a dummy split at the end, then it would split cheart

I believe

[tame hare]

ah so thats why this had a dummy split when pest gave it to me

alright ty

[thorn jasper]

IFLCerpin for implementing that. It's so useful

[finite heart]

Ive done it about as low as you can get. Old nail, no charms, 5 mask, vs only, no shade cloak, no shade

[slate fulcrum]

i can't get the explosion skip on current patch

i never get enough height

any tips?

i tried around 20 times already and each time ended the same - getting hit by the explosion doesn't get me high enough

[thorn jasper]

I always had a problem with letting myself drop too much before my downslash went out. If you think this might be the case, try downslashing earlier so that it comes out at the apex of your jump

[haughty fossil]

i find it impossible to time without visual cues

you pogo just as you reach the peak of your jump

[slate fulcrum]

i'll try that

[haughty fossil]

(also make sure hk hasn't decided to turn off vsync for you 🙂 )

[slate fulcrum]

i'm playing with v-sync off

otherwise all of my inputs are delayed by like 0.5 seconds

[haughty fossil]

ah

you need vsync on for the damagetank epogo to work

most cp runners who do vsync epogo turn it on just for the duration of the trick, then either turn it off after or wait until the mantis claw quitout, where it automatically turns itself off due to hk's dumb menuing forgetting your settings

not having vsync on = not having enough knockback

[slate fulcrum]

weird

i'll try but like i said, for some reason my inputs are really delayed with v-sync on

[haughty fossil]

yeah, that's normal

[shut beacon]

sorry ,whats Vsync

[haughty fossil]

vsync sucks and you should never use it for anything other than this trick

[slate fulcrum]

got it 2nd try

you were right

[haughty fossil]

VSync is a game setting that limits the game's framerate to the refresh rate of your display. This is useful for certain tricks because having the game at 60fps changes some of its behaviour, most notably how much knockback you take. However, due to its very poor implementation, it's horrible to use and introduces loads of input lag.

[shut beacon]

oh thanx

[haughty fossil]

If you can bear to play until claw with vsync on, then you can simply never turn it off and it will turn itself off when you quit out, so long as you exit the pause menu using the pause button

[slate fulcrum]

so turn on v-sync during Mothwing Cloak quit out, have it on during Mantis Claw split and turn it off again after quit out?

[haughty fossil]

no

[deft thorn]

exit the pause menu using the pause button
nani?

[haughty fossil]

turn it on pausing as you set up epogo

[void dock]

hi, I have question

[slate fulcrum]

that's like a 5 seconds time waste

[haughty fossil]

yes

[void dock]

the tutorial for a speedrun says to save and quit

[slate fulcrum]

maybe i'll just downpatch my game

[void dock]

do I just sit on the bench, quit the into the main menu and re-load it?

[haughty fossil]

5s is not a lot compared to the hours it takes to learn panta epogo

[versed elbow]

Just play on console where VSync is always on 5head

[haughty fossil]

don't sit on the bench first, it tells you to save and quit specifically to warp to a bench you sat at earlier

[void dock]

Ah right

so just quit the game and re-load

got it

[versed elbow]

I found a consistent way to time my end split finally.

[deft thorn]

wait so you mean if you click "continue" after turning vsync on, it will save, but if you just press the pause button again to close menu, it won't? 🥴

[haughty fossil]

yes

[versed elbow]

The only downside is it requires me to play with controller vibration on.

[deft thorn]

good to know, thanks

[haughty fossil]

it keeps the setting on while you're in game, but when you quit to menu it forgets you ever changed your settings

[deft thorn]

interesting design choice

[haughty fossil]

it's probably just that they forgot to tell the game to save globalsettings when closing w/ pause button, but remembered to when pressing back button

[deft thorn]

ngl I be worried for silksong release

[versed elbow]

Why's that

[haughty fossil]

im ready for silksong televator to just teleport you to the end of the game tbh

[deft thorn]

their game design itself is impeccable and I think they really know how to make it "fun" for a casual first playthrough
but reading through what they said about fixing speedtech after watching sr videos, or how they approach fixing things and optimizing things in general, I feel like they just don't have the right mindset to program a game

like, it's one thing to be bad at programming if you've never done it before and you are making your first game and it turns out kinda shit in that regard

but I used to think this would change with silksong probably, because more experience

but at this point, I am starting to worry that they just don't get what's wrong with their approach, and they really aren't trying to get "better" at programming

[haughty fossil]

don't forget that HK was originally built by william and ari who both had next to no programming experience

all the optimisations made from 1221 to 13xx was due to hiring an actual dedicated programmer who knew what he was doing

[deft thorn]

like, just looking at how carelessly they design everything, and make things needlessly complicated
even someone who just reads a basic programming guide is told how to optimize at least to some extend, but they seem to be way more focused on patching out things they "see"
and you can tell that they have never ever once stopped to think about where a problem is coming from, what causes it or what implications it might have (or fixing it, for that matter, might have)
instead, they are super focused on fixing symptoms by disallowing players to do something, restricting their game experience in the process
this has been a super common trend, and I am just worried that this is where they are right now

[haughty fossil]

imo if silksong is a bad speedgame, it really doesn't matter. even if it completely sucks to run, we still have hk to return to

[marble kestrel]

I recently started speedruning on console, should i practiced each segment or should i do a complete run To set my pb?

[short spire]

they had an actual programmer on the team much earlier than 1.3

it was just in the very beginning that it was the 2 of them only

[twin swallow]

inb4 4D silksong televator that puts you back in the first game

[whole glade]

I'd recommend just doing a run see where you die and where you need practice

[charred sigil]

depends on your goals imo

and your mentality

some people really get stuck practicing for like

so long they get burnt out

and never do any runs

some people do their first run, and can get discouraged if they think their run isn't "good enough"

[deft thorn]

surprisingly easy, that^

[daring coral]

honestly im a tad worried ill end up doing that

[deft thorn]

practicing until you are burnt out and never finishing even a single run

[charred sigil]

personally i like doing a run as soon as i feel able to complete it

and just reserve judgement on myself

and tell myself any timeloss can be improved upon in the future

[normal aspen]

my biggest advice starting off is to just do runs

[daring coral]

i dont even know where the run goes after WK and ive been practricing them for ages

[normal aspen]

people grind the first 3 splits for a week and get burnt out before even finishing a run

[twin swallow]

then you submit to aluba%

[normal aspen]

after u have done some runs you know where to improve, then you can do runs again and see a tangible improvement

[daring coral]

i think ill stop practicing WK and move on

[normal aspen]

you can't go in expecting to have a great time or hold yourself to impossible standards

[marble kestrel]

Thanks for the advice

[normal aspen]

your first run could be 6h but who cares, thats 5.5h of time to save in subsequent runs and its still infinitely better than not finishing

[marble kestrel]

Im practcing kings pass, crossroads and greenpath for now

[haughty fossil]

i remember a particular example of somebody who wanted their first any% NMG run to be 40:xx.... and never got past greenpath because they'd reset anything worse than 8min cloak. don't do that, setting impossibly high standards off the bat (especially when they're way too high for your goals) is setting yourself up for failure.

[daring coral]

oof

[marble kestrel]

But there is some part i can practicie on my main save

[daring coral]

yeah im going through the route split by split with a guide and practicing each room as i go, then every few splits i do a run up to what i know to test memory

[marble kestrel]

Im on xbox and my absolute goal is do sub 2h ill see after that

[haughty fossil]

as long as you can

• remember the route (even if you need notes)
• get past the bosses, even if not first try
• accept not having an amazing first time
  you should just do a couple runs.
  practice is VERY important, but practice alone won't make you a good runner; you also need to have the experience of going into late game on good pace

[normal aspen]

Doing no resets is a good way to build composure, and even if you don't pb you will gold something or just become more familiar with certain rooms and interactions

[haughty fossil]

my first completed Any% CP run was 2:4x:xx. My second was 1:2x:xx. My fourth was sub 1 hour. I promise you will improve just doing runs

[daring coral]

yeah i plan my first few full run to be no resets

[limpid ruin]

Do no resets, but don't feel too bad about resetting to practice if you chain die enough

[marble kestrel]

I havent even practiced for a week so ill wait a bit

[daring coral]

if i die to the same boss like 7 times ill open my modded game and practice with cheats and just accept huge timeloss

would that be allowed?

if i was to tab out and just idle in the actual run?

[haughty fossil]

i mean, i guess you could, but you could also just run back to the boss every time

[daring coral]

yeah but on the other file i can have infinite health

[haughty fossil]

all the bosses in any% have less than 30s of runback time (unless you consider hornet 1 a boss)

[daring coral]

im doing AS

seems less painful

also, how much time does the benchwarp back to WK save after ddark?

im thinking of benching in the villiage because i suck at peaks

[haughty fossil]

is this current patch or 1221?

[daring coral]

1.2.2.1

[haughty fossil]

it should save around 40-50s based on my gut instinct "calculations"

[daring coral]

well thats probably less than running back from that bench all the way to the stag and then to peaks

also i get to heal on the way

[marble kestrel]

What sucks on xbox the charge time count in the final time so if i had an xbox one x i would do better time

[daring coral]

sorry what?

ive read that 3 times and my brain melted on all of them

[haughty fossil]

XSeries and PS5 are separate on leaderboards to PS4/XB1 for that reason

[marble kestrel]

I have an xbox one s

The xbox one x is faster

But still an xbox one

[haughty fossil]

misread question

[daring coral]

oh load times

that just clicked in my brain

i have ascended

[haughty fossil]

I mean, probably yes. i assume load times on xbox one s are fast enough for that not to make more than a minute's difference overall

[stuck raptor]

considering Xbox/PS WR is still currently slower than switch.... which loads far slower....

[normal aspen]

I mean the series x / ps5 wr is even worse

[stuck raptor]

What sucks on xbox the charge time count in the final time so if i had an xbox one x i would do better time
do we even have measurements on this? This statement may not even be true

[normal aspen]

It's barely sub 1h, doesn't do epogo or qga, gets to dv stag 40 short and has to go back for geo

I know the xbone elite has an sshd which would prob help loads

[stuck raptor]

we've proven no difference on PC between ssd and hdd

[normal aspen]

True

[stuck raptor]

but it's also pc

so maybe not applicable

[normal aspen]

The fancier Xbox ones had better specs in almost every way though so it would probably have some advantage

[versed elbow]

This is why I try to complete as many runs as possible.

[dim arch]

does anybody speedrun on a box controller?

[daring coral]

personaly i find the cubeness and lack of buttons or any method of connecting them to a computer to be a bit of a barrier to using a box

[dim arch]

lol

do you guys know about box controllers?

[stuck raptor]

yes

[grizzled maple]

theress one runner who uses a smashbox that i know of

[stuck raptor]

this is my box

[dim arch]

what the hell

that's insane

[stuck raptor]

do YOU know about a box?

[dim arch]

you use that to speedrun HK?? :0

[median gull]

mickely when will you solve that magic cube?

that 4x3 seems scary

[dim arch]

I'm just learning any% nmg on a box now

[stuck raptor]

who's michely?

[median gull]

idk how to type ok

[median gull]

does a fingerbox count?

[stable bronze]

not having enough geo for the deepnest stag was pretty embarrassing 😩

[golden bobcat]

When I try to reset a run on Livesplit. It asks me if I want to save my new PBs. If i press no, it doesn't save them and when I press yes, it also doesn't save them. Does anyone know why this is?

[ionic sparrow]

its probably asking you if you want to save golds

thats the only thing from my experience it asks when you reset a run

when you close livesplit it asks if you want to save the split file

the two are different things

[golden bobcat]

It says exactly this: "You have beaten some of you best times. Do you want to update them?" I'm really new to livesplit so I don't know that much

[ionic sparrow]

yeah, that's asking if you want to save your best times (aka your gold splits)

lemme load up livesplit and screenshot somethngs for you to explain better

the column on the left is your pb, this will only get updated when you finish a run faster than you have before. The column on the right is all of your gold splits, which is the fastest you have done that segment

if you complete a segment faster than you have before, you will set a new best time for that

when you reset those splits, it will ask if you want to save those segment times

[golden bobcat]

Gotcha, thank you so much for explaining

[ionic sparrow]

the PB only updates when you finish a run completely

np, livesplit can be weird in the beginning

keep poking at it and it'll make sense soon

[versed elbow]

Nice 32 ya got there.

[golden bobcat]

I downloaded it yesterday and started practising runs 4 days ago. Still haven't beat WK lol

[versed elbow]

Honestly I'd just sit down and do 1 no reset run.

[golden bobcat]

WK is just so hard

[versed elbow]

Personally (idk if it works for you) when I decide to start running a game I'll do 1 no reset after learning the route and figure out what the parts are that I'm gonna have to put a lot of practice into.

[granite field]

Do you try healing or not during the fight?

Or you just yolo

[golden bobcat]

Can I save my PBs for segments when I reset?

[versed elbow]

Yes

LiveSplits keeps your golds

[golden bobcat]

This

[golden bobcat]

And this

[versed elbow]

And will compare you against your PB by default.

You click yes when it asks if you wanna save your new best times. That's saving your gold splits.

Your golds will also show you your Sum of Bests if you enable that tab.

Like, as you see I have a 1:07 in this run, but if I played and got every single time right on my gold next run it says I could get a 1:03

Side note- Should've been a 1:05 if I didn't choke CDash split.

A 15/nearly 16 min PB was a win my book.

[livid stirrup]

Heck yeah

[deft flame]

congrats! getting close to sub hour

[elfin rampart]

I am sad

[livid stirrup]

Oof

[elfin rampart]

sub 40 sold because died to THK and uumuu

[livid stirrup]

Screw uumuu

Screwmuu

[versed elbow]

That's the short term goal.

Sub 50 is the major goal

[marble kestrel]

Switch are allowed To use splits

[stuck raptor]

anyone can use splits

it's just a timer program

autosplits and load removal don't work though

on any console

[carmine yew]

Same

[versed elbow]

What's your time?

I would've thought you had sub 50

[thorn jasper]

Pisces means for All Skills. Current WR (by him) is 50:00

[golden bobcat]

These are my splits in my run

And if I reset and tell it that I want to save my new best times. It just goes back to this

Why?

[daring coral]

I've been using your tutorials for AS, thanks, they've helped a lot

[versed elbow]

Did you finish a run at some point?

[golden bobcat]

No

[versed elbow]

It compares against your previous finished run

[twin swallow]

it can't give you your time for a split if you haven't finished a run with that split included

[versed elbow]

Theoretically until you finish a run you shouldn't have times on the right side

[golden bobcat]

But I do

[twin swallow]

looks like a run was completed, then that specific split was added in later

[versed elbow]

[golden bobcat]

Gruz mother

But I never finished a run

[twin swallow]

you're comparing to your PB, but in your PB, you never had that split

[golden bobcat]

That's the thing

[versed elbow]

I've never seen this before

[twin swallow]

so livesplit has nothing to compare to

[versed elbow]

He's saying he hasn't completed a run Hyperion.

That's why I'm confused

He shouldn't have splits to compare to

[twin swallow]

are you comparing to best splits then?

[golden bobcat]

I think. But why doesn't it update?

[twin swallow]

is this the first time you finished the new split?

that is, first run you have attempted since adding it

where you got past that split

[versed elbow]

I've never seen this

[golden bobcat]

No

It isn't

I think I've done three now

But it still won't update

[versed elbow]

Do you know what you're comparing to? It should be in your LiveSplits settings.

[dull lion]

I’m pretty sure it updates your PB to your closest run to finishing when you’re just starting if I recall correctly. When you make it past your furthest split with a time it should update Ossy

[golden bobcat]

Ok, that means that I have to beat WK

[granite field]

Do you know what kind of attacks you die on usually? @ Ossyboi

[deft thorn]

ok so I have in my last run manually advanced 3 split, because I had to undo them (since they were fake golds aka I took the route in the wrong order)
this caused their split time to show as - in livesplit
I thought it was just for that run, but today I did a run again, and now these split still show up as -

anyone know how to fix that?

or do I have to green/gold them for them to update?

because when I reset, livesplit asks if I want to update my times if I have beaten some of those, and I guess it only updates golds?

[dull lion]

No I don’t know how to fix that but for future reference. There’s a clean sum of best function in live split that will help you clear “fake” golds without having to manually split.

[deft thorn]

oops it actually looks like I may have clicked on "don't save" accidentally
that would explain it

since they are all on their old time (even the gold ones)

[deft thorn]

ah, thanks, that's also helpful to know :)

[golden bobcat]

Mostly the double slashes. When I did it in my normal playthrough i had Nail2, Shade Soul, Dive and 7 masks and I still trouble. So the fight is really hard with 5 masks and Nail1

[granite field]

Hmm yeah fair

[versed elbow]

Anyone here know the type of font in HK off the top of their heads?

[short spire]

perpetua regular & trajan pro are the 2 fonts

[versed elbow]

Thank

I'mma try and set my livesplits font as it

[granite field]

honestly in addition to guides and videos I don't think there is much to learn, I mean, when you will really get used to it you might have more ease as the time pass. If you manage to do them in 2-3 tries that would be a great beginning

[golden bobcat]

I've done like 10 tries

[granite field]

Oof
don't loose hope

[versed elbow]

Is there a way to download more fonts to LiveSplits?

[granite field]

That might sounds stupid but maybe is a solution to not healing and go yolo? Like I remember finding it easier to concentrate on killing them fast instead of healing myself

With dodges of course

[thorn jasper]

do they not show up if the fonts are installed on the system?

[granite field]

I don't think there is that many moments where you can heal besides the time of "one is dead/another currently appear"

[digital jewel]

install the fonts and restart livesplit

[deft thorn]

does anyone know how to disable steam from overlaying a virtual keyboard over my screen every so often when I press certain buttons on controller too fast/at the same time?

[digital jewel]

that sounds like big picture mode settings

[deft thorn]

I don't even know which buttons they are, but I think it's something like left trigger select and maybe some other buttons

yeah, I am not sure. the thing is, I don't play with big picture mode on

but if I press the big round button in the center of my controller while on the deskop, steam pops up, and if I press it again, it enters big picture mode
while this is annoying, it's usually easy to work around by not pressing that button twice in a row^^
but ingame, it's something else, and it's definitely annoying as hell

[digital jewel]

yeah you don't need to actively enable anything for steam big picture mode settings to be active

you need to go in and disable everything if you don't want that

[thorn jasper]

@versed elbow can confirm it works

[versed elbow]

[deft thorn]

found it, thanks
it was "steam guide button chord" which is some thing to enable global shortcuts using controller
pressing the big central button and select brings up the keyboard

guess I'll just have to yeet that completely

[thorn jasper]

Timer: Perpetua Bold
Times: Perpetua Bold
Text: Perpetua Regular
Title Font: Trajan Pro Regular

[chrome bramble]

I died to THK 29 times and lost like 2 hours

[daring coral]

oof

[carmine yew]

glad they are helping :)

[near heron]

for the any% NMG category are mods like enemy hp bar and custom knight allowed

[thorn jasper]

no mods at all, not even the modding api

unless you want to submit to the hkmods board, which is separate

[golden bobcat]

I've died to WK like 10 times

my time is at 45 mins

I need help

[near heron]

I found it useful to practice them in halls of gods

also strategy's used for Oro and Mato seem to help

[golden bobcat]

I died again

[fair island]

i dont think that will help

are you doing a speedrun?

[near heron]

yeah, but I use a save that has hall of gods with pretty much nothing unlocked

[golden bobcat]

Yes

[near heron]

so that does help with practice

[golden bobcat]

But it's barely even a "speed"run anymore lol

I'm sooo bad

[near heron]

no 45 mins in quite impressive

[golden bobcat]

I'm at 50 and I haven't beaten them yet

WK

[fervent dock]

Dying at WK is not uncommon

It's hard without any upgrades

[golden bobcat]

I even got Nail1

[twin swallow]

nail1 doesn't make that much difference against watcher knights imo

[fervent dock]

^

[twin swallow]

your vs is still doing twice as much damage

and that's even if you don't get multi hits

[fervent dock]

Most of your damage throughout the entire run comes from shaman stoned spirit

[golden bobcat]

I forgot to equip it

...

[fervent dock]

Pretty sure VS does 30 damage per hit versus Nail's 5 and the fixed nail's 8

And oops

[dull lion]

I think it’s 20 but I could definitely be wrong

[fervent dock]

+50% of 20 is 10 so

[stuck raptor]

15 base, 20 with shaman

[fervent dock]

I assume it's 30 atleast

oh

[stuck raptor]

shade soul 30 base, 40 with shaman

shaman does not give a flat percentage upgrade

it's different for every spell

[fervent dock]

I see now

Hm

[golden bobcat]

I'm so bad

I'll just give up on speedrunning

[haughty fossil]

(nail1 does 9 damage btw)

[versed elbow]

Well that's not the way to improve

[small magnet]

I think it took me 6 hours in debugger before I got a single WK kill

[low bramble]

^ maybe more for me

[haughty fossil]

aerto pog

[low bramble]

i am slowly making my return

[small magnet]

Yeah, I think I just got lucky cause it took me another 3 to get another kill lol

[low bramble]

yea its def rough the first couple days

[small magnet]

And then on my 153rd run attempt I forgot to equip a shaman stone

[haughty fossil]

these are my wk practice splits. I have over 1.1k hours in hk and have sub 40 on cp. i still die to them in practice, and even in runs when i'm taking it safe.

[small magnet]

Yesterday I forgot to bench before going to Crystal Peaks

We all had to work hard to get WK on lockdown and even then we ALL make silly mistakes sometimes

[low bramble]

oh trust me i still do that all the time

[haughty fossil]

all mistakes you make once, then learn from (then forget about a week later and do it again )

[open swan]

so true

[low bramble]

whats shaman stone i thought we just bought that bc it looks pretty in our inventory

[small magnet]

If you can't handle that, then maybe running isn't for you, but I'm making the point that your struggles aren't unique to you being "bad" at speedrunning @golden bobcat

The only difference between you and an experienced runner is that an experienced runner keeps running lol

[daring coral]

if youre going to give up it might be worth giving all skills a try first?

[low bramble]

Thats why we're so elite

[daring coral]

WK doesnt seem enourmously hard like it sounds like it is in any%

[small magnet]

It's a much easier fight on all skills for sure

[daring coral]

and if you get good at combat in general through getting good at AS then when you come back to any% WK will be easier

probably not massivley so, but less mind melting

[golden bobcat]

I got 2 kills, but I'm on 1 mask

[daring coral]

nice

[small magnet]

That's something to be proud of

[daring coral]

youre unlikley to suddenly flawless them in one try, you'll get better over many attempts

[small magnet]

I definitely recommend watching fireb0rn's any% guide and really making sure you're practicing proper technique. The biggest issue I see with people entering speedrunning that have a ton of time put into playing casually is that they've developed a LOT of habits that work fine in casual play, but are a huge hindrance in speedrunning

[limpid ruin]

I picked up any% after some 500 hours of all skills, 106 and rando practice/experience. Only spent 5 hours to consistently kill 2 watcher knights

[daring coral]

yeah im very glad i decided to start with AS

[small magnet]

Only 5 hours?!

[daring coral]

ive yet to hit any massive roadbumps

[small magnet]

I'm disappointed in myself for starting any%

I started with any% because I didn't want a super long run as my first attempt at speedrunning, but... any% is effin' hard sometimes lol

Not that all skills isn't. Different challenges for sure.

My point is that I underestimated any%

[limpid ruin]

yeaa

whats better tho: underestimating any%, or underestimating all skills

[golden bobcat]

I GOT THREE

[daring coral]

honestly i initially got the impression that any% WK was hard and AS WK were easy which is why i picked AS, now im realising that AS WK are hard and any% WK are aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[daring coral]

nice

thats some big gamer improvment

[golden bobcat]

i died

[daring coral]

but you got 3

[small magnet]

I'm also a bit of a smooth brain. After my 20th hour practicing WK people were like "Maybe try All Skills! WK are easier in that cat!" and my stubborn monke brain was like "NU! I MUST PERSEVERE!"

[daring coral]

giving up is faliure

never shortcut

[small magnet]

It got to a point where I wanted to do it just to prove I could lol

[daring coral]

work hard or fucking die

the correct mentality

[daring coral]

tbf spite is excelent motivation

[small magnet]

I'm super excited to try All Skills, though. Been watching it a lot with people prepping for the the tournie and it looks like an insanely fun cat

[daring coral]

so far i like it

aside from dark room

[limpid ruin]

all skills has great movement

[daring coral]

they can fall off a cliiff

my brain is speccle so i cant dark rooms

even the lever skip one i have trouble doing

[small magnet]

I love that emote. Ominous and adorable at the same time

[golden bobcat]

I get one pretty consistently now

[daring coral]

nice

consistency i imagine is the important part

[golden bobcat]

But is there any way to save my previous splits in this run?

[small magnet]

Yeah, your split times should be saved

You just won't have a PB until you've completed a full run

[golden bobcat]

Bc I got a really good Claw split. Will it be saved?

[carmine yew]

Soon enough with AS WK you’ll find that it’s very difficult to die as long as you’re abusing ddark iframes properly

[thorn jasper]

don't underestimate me

[daring coral]

yeah im finding that i only tend to die about 1/10 attempts

[carmine yew]

That’s not a challenge lol

[daring coral]

but only about 2/10 of those feel fast

[carmine yew]

Replying to slaurent

[golden bobcat]

I got a really good Claw split. Will it be saved even if I didn't complete a run?

[carmine yew]

Your best times will be saved ossy

Yes even if the run didn’t finish

Your golds are saved

[golden bobcat]

It wasn't

[carmine yew]

Are you comparing against best segments?

It won’t show if you’re comparing against PB cause you don’t have one

[golden bobcat]

How do I check?

[carmine yew]

But livesplit still saved your best time

Right click -> compare against -> best segments

[golden bobcat]

Now

Ty

It worked

[carmine yew]

Once you’ll get a PB you’ll want to compare against that tho

[golden bobcat]

These are my best times so far. How does this look?

[carmine yew]

Anywhere is a good start

[uneven scarab]

A lot to improve, but good to start :3

[carmine yew]

Just keep working til you are proud of your times

[golden bobcat]

Where is the first place that I should start improving?

[fervent dock]

Best thing to do first is, at the very least, is complete a run

[carmine yew]

Finish a run first

[fervent dock]

no matter how slow it is

[daring coral]

probably finish a run?

[carmine yew]

Improvement after that

[fervent dock]

It's good to get a handle on the route you need to take

[golden bobcat]

I play on Switch so the times are with loads

And Current patch

[daring coral]

it might be worth trying to practice some of the route after WK too, so that when you beat it you dont then spend a while practicing the rest then lose the knack

[fervent dock]

Ah, if you're on switch then it's pretty hard to practice

[golden bobcat]

I know what to do until Monomon. After that I have no clue what route to take

[golden bobcat]

I'm waiting for a sale to buy it on Steam

[daring coral]

yeah might be worth just trying the route after lurien

[fervent dock]

Nice

[daring coral]

all the way to black egg

[chrome bramble]

THK is a bully

[daring coral]

f

[golden bobcat]

Should I buy it on Steam or just play on Switch?

[fervent dock]

If you can, you should get it on PC

[twin swallow]

both are perfectly valid ways to speedrun the game

[fervent dock]

^ true though

[daring coral]

but pc seems drasticaly easier to practice

[fervent dock]

Only advantage over Switch really is being able to run a modded version and practice certain segments

[chrome bramble]

THK keeps ruining my sub 3

[low bramble]

THK ruins everything

[daring coral]

ponch them

[fervent dock]

THK's an endurance test for sure

And sometimes RNG just does not play in your favor

[chrome bramble]

this is really dumb but i practice PV for thk

[fervent dock]

I've had several times that guy would hop spike me into a corner 3-4 times in a row

If you can it'd probably be a better idea to practice against THK than PV just because the movesets and phases are different

[chrome bramble]

i play on switch and CP thk is way hatder than 1221 thk

harder*

[golden bobcat]

The reason I lose so much time on my chandelier split is because I mess up the Sentry. Any easy strats to not mess it up?

[fervent dock]

Sentry?

Oh are you talking about the big dude with the shield you have to fight to open the door

[chrome bramble]

I reccomend doing atleast 10 runs before using splits its annoying to deal with both

ok a tip is attack him on the side and when he starts swinging pogo over him and hit him in the back and to some VS when you have soul

[fervent dock]

For that, when you drop down into the room, I would try immediately killing the spear dude by dashing left and pogoing him to death so you aren't getting pelted/pressured the entire time

[granite field]

Ig for the Sentry you could side hit > pogo when he's attacking > side hit (spells when you can) etc.

oh wait his range is big my bad, I think he could hit you whatever

[fervent dock]

^^^^^^

Nah that's right

For a while, even while running on 1.2.2.1, I did that fight because I thought lever skip was just the queen's garden thing and not that

[granite field]

Same lol

[fervent dock]

If you hit his shield and jump immediately to pogo him while constantly moving left or right, even if he swings up he can't get you

Usually a good way to get 2-3 hits in

[granite field]

Also for this enemy I think gathering soul and getting full mana before the fight is ideal

Kinda obvious thing to keep in mind but still important

[fervent dock]

^
You can usually get as much soul as you need not only from the groups of enemies in the tight tunnels but also you get 4 hits for free on the spear guy

So you can actually spare some soul to clear the tunnels quickly

[granite field]

Yeah I guess 1 fireball on the tunnel is ok

[fervent dock]

Infact you can use two fireballs total in the tunnel since you can do the top tunnel and bottom tunnel and hit the big husk 2 times

[knotty vigil]

oh no i found it

[golden bobcat]

Found what?

[fervent dock]

@golden bobcat

Not the cleanest but

[golden bobcat]

That’s still 1000 times better than I do it

[near heron]

can't you hit the switch up top from below

[golden bobcat]

Not on current patch

[daring coral]

not on cp

[fervent dock]

He's playing on switch/current version

[near heron]

oh ok

[fervent dock]

No lever skip

I'm stupid and also didn't do lever skip for a very long time even on 1.2.2.1

[haughty fossil]

it's uh, faster to just take the elevator up

[near heron]

I wasn't aware of that not being on the switch version

[knotty vigil]

a ||grub||

[fervent dock]

I assumed as much I'm just dumb

But hopefully that helps with the sentry, Ossy

[thorn jasper]

#hk-meme is one channel up

[golden bobcat]

Is there any upgrades (other than Nail1 because I already use that) that’ll make Any% WK easier?

[fervent dock]

Not really

[deft thorn]

dive will make them easier because of iframes, but you'd have to do sanctum to get it

not really worth it, unless you don't mind losing like 5 minutes

[golden bobcat]

5 mins is ok, how much easier does it get?

[knotty vigil]

oh shit sorry i didnt know i posted it here <:

[deft thorn]

also I think that vs is better in terms of damage because it will usually hit 2 of them, and sometimes even double hit

[deft thorn]

really depends. I'd personally say it gets harder because I find sanctum to be difficult enough as it is with shade soul and lever skips (in All Skills), but just being able to pull off a dive in case you get into a tight spot can really help. on 1221, you can also spam dive without losing iframes in between dives

[daring coral]

yeah sanctum is annoyying even with shade soul and all the lever skips to bypass rooms

[deft thorn]

most people will probably recommend practicing watcher knights though, since that seems to be the only medicine to really make them easier

practicing like, a lot

[fervent dock]

Since you're on switch, (don't quote me on this, idk much about current patch runs) it might be a great idea to try and get to godhome asap for boss practicing since that's the only way to practice them without having to reset your entire file each time you beat them

[finite heart]

You also cant get shade soul with dash slash on the current patch.

[deft thorn]

yeah, not to mention that getting dash slash would also take some time and cost 800 geo
same as getting elegant key, btw if you are on current patch
you'd have to route in an extra 800 geo either way if you want to get shade soul. but if you do, then it will be a lot easier with shade soul.

[haughty fossil]

800 geo is doable w/ an early lemm trip, rafters seal and the journals next to gp stag and above mantis village. though this does mean you have to go to lemm twice

you'd also have to buy king's station early to get back to dirtmouth though

[deft thorn]

I am not familiar enough with the any% route to know how much time it would take to route in the way to dirtmouth at any point after cpeak and before watcher knight (if you have already unlocked king's station at that point etc)
but getting the shopkeeper's key and thus, elegant key should only take a few seconds

snail me

and well, you would save time on the watcher knight fight itself, though not so much on the way there and back^^

[daring coral]

tbf if youre unable to do WK with current equipment then anything that helps you do it is infinite timesave

[deft thorn]

yeah, true

or just give up, like I do

[daring coral]

5 hours is still better than dnf

[fervent dock]

^

It feels much worse to reset a run to a loss then it is to finish one with a slow time

Meanwhile, 137 attempts later and dozens of hours of practicing things like acid skip, bosses, and routing, I'm still resetting on stupid things like missing pick jump. Haven't even got a time for Crystal Heart yet
Don't do that to yourself

[deft thorn]

yeah
I continued an all skills run earlier today after I lost my shade in overgrown mound
that meant getting back 300 geo by farming mantises in queens gardens so I could buy the toll in beast's den after herrah

[daring coral]

i keep dying in peaks

is so annoying

[deft thorn]

I was feeling so demotivated

[daring coral]

f

[deft thorn]

still only lost 15 minutes to my (arguably improvable) pb

[daring coral]

nice

[deft thorn]

same. peak is deceptively difficult to go fast

[daring coral]

there are too many sharp things

[fervent dock]

Lots of weird patterns, especially the CH room

[daring coral]

and my health is too small

[finite heart]

I had a run ruined it peaks. I can actually do all the major skips for any% but im not good enough to get through watcher knights and uumuu

[fervent dock]

The lasers can ruin your day

[deft thorn]

yep. and the cycles are so tight. if you aren't used to them, you will get hit left and right because you are just a smidgen too late

[daring coral]

also im still bad at just generic gameplay so i usualy take a few random hits on the way there so fairly often i end up stopping to farm enemies for soul to heal

[finite heart]

Im more preoccupied trying to figure out nkg %. The second set of flames is the most boring.

[daring coral]

ive never beaten grimm

[median gull]

just do nkg% mms

[fervent dock]

ew

wait

[daring coral]

my casual file is benched in dirtmouth for "when i get back to it"

[fervent dock]

I saw AG and got spooked

[finite heart]

AG?

[median gull]

AG = All Glitches

[fervent dock]

All Glitches

[finite heart]

I cant even do one glitch

[median gull]

play on the right patch and you'll do glitches without even knowing them

[fervent dock]

These are my splits for now, but I can't even finish a run so it's not adding up to anything

[worldly shard]

is there a difference between vengeful spirit and shade soul, in terms of knockback or timing?

[tardy sable]

what's stopping you from finishing a run?

[worldly shard]

I'm trying to practice spell skips

[carmine yew]

There’s no difference

[fervent dock]

I have terrible impulse and will reset runs to small losses in time

[haughty fossil]

shade soul travels faster, and is larger if using shaman stone. for fireball skips there is no difference in knockback

[carmine yew]

Definitely finish runs

[fervent dock]

^^^

[carmine yew]

If you’re just starting don’t bother with pogaxe

You’ll feel so much better having a time

Especially since you’ll probably crush it soon after

[fervent dock]

I definitely agree, but since the reset timer button is a button press away

I'm usually upset for like 2 seconds and hit it

[deft thorn]

I got pogaxe first try ever and then never after that

[tardy sable]

if I am not behind for at least 5 minutes im not resetting lol

[fervent dock]

Honestly I'm super happy about the VS split atleast

I haven't been able to match it and that was on like

[tardy sable]

just think of it as late game practice

[fervent dock]

Attempt 3

[haughty fossil]

alright i've been trying to route in enough geo to do early peaks for shade soul before WK and i literally cannot find the geo

wip:

- kill moss knights for 180 geo (in addition to VK kill), then pick up the journal next to GP stag
- Grab mantis village journal after claw, then go towards queen's station and pick up the wanderers journal and seal 
- Grabbing the any% journal and KS seal, bench at king's station
- Kill gorgeous husk and go to lemm via big left-side city room, grabbing the seal in the rafters
- Sell all to lemm, giving 1500 geo for a total of around 2700
- Quit out to King's station, then buy the stag and go to fc (2400)
- buy lantern, open gate, go to peaks, pick up shop key and cheart (550)```
any further inspiration for 250 geo anyone? ![feelspkman](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/639636442821165056.webp?size=128 "feelspkman")

avoiding a lemm trip after cheart because slow

(then again so is seal + mantis village journal)

[fervent dock]

What about the journal in the well

[haughty fossil]

oh that's a seal

[fervent dock]

Oh

[haughty fossil]

yeah thats uh probably a better bet

[formal bough]

also if you need just a bit boomer rocks exist

don't know how many they are

[haughty fossil]

i'll write up formal cp shade soul route after eating

[tardy sable]

there's probably 50 in the two rocks in crossroads

probably quite slow to get them

shade soul is great, and it helps you learn how to use vs

[formal bough]

As rhino said, "Having already found the optimal any% route, and with the NMG ruleset banning anything exciting from happening in the category ever again, the community turned to a new goal: How can we make the category slower and slower?"

I think it's mainly that low equipment bosses are hard and so try to fix that

[tardy sable]

unlike ddark, you either have it your you don't

[worldly shard]

the vengeful king maybe?

[formal bough]

that is already part of any% geo routing

[worldly shard]

intelligent

[deft thorn]

• Grab mantis village journal after claw, then go towards queen's station and pick up the wanderers journal and seal
  if you are next to queen's station, can't you get autopilot within a reasonable amount of time?

[haughty fossil]

ideally you wouldn't need to go anywhere near queen's station in the first place

[deft thorn]

yeah, true

[meager current]

true

[deft thorn]

but then, if you go, you might as well just take it

also, is there any chance of it being faster if you just bench at queen's station and stag back to crossroads? you do get crossroads stag in any%, right?

[haughty fossil]

you then have to buy queen's station

[deft thorn]

benching at qs so you can grab the journal and seal in fungal, s+q, grab the autopilot seal, s+q, stag back

yeah, but it's just 120 afaik

and you'd be getting more than that with the seal

assuming you have at least enough to buy the stag in the first place, by the time you get there, which shouldn't be too difficult

[haughty fossil]

yeah but then you'd route out paum journal or gp stag journal

[deft thorn]

honestly, this is where my route understanding is falling short
which bench are you on when you s+q from mantis claw in any%?

is it not mound?

or do you not even s+q after mantis claw in any%?

[haughty fossil]

you do

it's mound

[finite heart]

Any% benches in mound. Gets dash, warps, claw, warps and then benches by salubra for shade skip into blue lake

[formal bough]

Getting vs auto sets your bench to mound iirc

[finite heart]

Optimally

[formal bough]

no need to bench there

[haughty fossil]

that yes

[finite heart]

That its ture

[deft thorn]

because then you take the gp stag journal, s+q to mound, go to fungal, grab claw, go out top of mantis village, and according to your route, grab paum relic and sporgs seal and s+q, and according to mine, go to qs bench, go to paum relic and sporgs, s+q, go to autopilot, s+q, buy qs stag, stag back to crossroads -> blue lake skip

it's a detour, but it nets you 330 (450 seal minus 120 stag) geo, which is more than you had left to collect for the elegant key, and you get out at crossroads stag, meaning you don't have to walk back the (admittedly short) distance from mound to salubra

which saves maybe in the order of 10-20 seconds, idk
but that should be enough to justify benching at qs first and getting autopilot seal

unless I am mistaken and the detour is just way too much to justify it

in fact you could probably leave out collecting paum relic and just get the additional 20 geo via fungal or crossroads geo rocks or something

[haughty fossil]

if i wasn't lazy i would get out my geo routing sheet

[deft thorn]

you have one of those

nice

[twin swallow]

ooooo you are no longer lazy ooooo

[deft thorn]

lol

I think I will try to time that

[haughty fossil]

damn jb i just opened excel

[deft thorn]

if I don't die to falling in acid, I mean

[twin swallow]

gottem

[haughty fossil]

the whole point of this route is to get shade soul early to make WK easier

this route isn't meant to be optimal

[formal bough]

oooo yoo oro no longor lozy oooooo

[haughty fossil]

yes

it would also save some time to devouts

not anywhere near enough to justify the detour, but

[mighty trellis]

FINALLY

with qol

I still don't know how to do it without it

it actually worked

[daring coral]

?

[digital jewel]

grats

[daring coral]

is that some sort of glitch to start w/ extra stuff?

[digital jewel]

without qol it helps to enable vsync for it

[harsh mason]

mms

you start with a max save yes

[mighty trellis]

yea

start with godmaster save

[daring coral]

ah, so thats why AG is so fast

[harsh mason]

ag uses mms to duplicate dreamers

[stuck raptor]

AG doesn't load in a godmaster save

[daring coral]

mms?

[formal bough]

AG is in 1.0.2.8? before godmaster

[stuck raptor]

main menu storage

[mighty trellis]

TE AG does tho

[formal bough]

yeah but that's significantly slower I think

[daring coral]

honestly i have no idea i just know its way too fast

[haughty fossil]

i have unlazied, this seems to work out, if incredibly scuffed

[mighty trellis]

can you be invincible with any easy glitch

it's used in speedruns tho

people here surely know about things like that

[haughty fossil]

actually it makes more sense to get gp stag journal than paum journal since you'd be coming from the bottom

[stuck raptor]

dream gate storage makes you invincible

[mighty trellis]

oh fine

I know that one

use map while cristal dash, dream gate then release crystal dash at the end of it right?

crystal

[stuck raptor]

no

you get inventory storage so you walk around with the map up

start a dream gate warping away, press inventory to close it while in that animation

as soon as the flame above your head goes away, walk thru a transition

I don't think it's natively possible this way on CP, but with QoL it might be

[mighty trellis]

ok

i have qol on so its fine

[stray kestrel]

so like after the flame disappears and before the screen goes white?

[stuck raptor]

https://youtu.be/4kJ4c7n5qVg?t=8222

[mighty trellis]

alr it worked

with the cdash strats

[reef rain]

Just got the first 2 speedrun achievements

I’m really proud of myself

[open swan]

shaman stone or strength

[haughty fossil]

shaman stone

[open swan]

ok

[haughty fossil]

with nail0 strength takes your nail damage from 5 to 8

shaman boosts VS from 15 -> 20, and makes it larger and easier to double hit enemies with

[median gull]

your vs + shaman can do up to 60 damage = 12 nail hits

[formal bough]

Not believing in the quadruple hit smh

or the sextuple hit from tripling both watchers

[haughty fossil]

Any% Shade Soul CP route (very scuffed)

Slap TE geo rocks and buy xroads stag
Any%->VK, kill VK then get moss knights geo
Pick up GP Stag journal, then any%->Dash->Claw
After claw, do not quit out, but go up, grab mantis village journal, then take lower route towards queen's station
Pick up the seal at the top of the room to the right of Queen's station, then bench in queen's station and buy the stag.
Go get the seal next to the lifeblood cocoon in canyon, then quitout
Stag to xroads stag, Any%-> King's station, bench
Kill gorgeous husk, run to lemm via Watcher's Spire (without benching). Don't forget to grab the seal in the rafters to the left of lemm. Sell. Quitout.
Buy King's station, stag to dirtmouth, bench.
Buy lantern and stag to xroads stag, go to crystal heart picking up shopkeeper's key
Quit out to dirtmouth, buy Ekey.
Stag to King's, bench in watcher's spire, get shade soul, quit out
Kill watcher knights, pick up half of the geo chest (around 200)
King's station -> Dirtmouth, then Uumuu->End as any%

this is a lot more complicated than i imagined it would be

[versed elbow]

God that sounds like it loses so much more time than it's worth.

[twin swallow]

it does have the "very scuffed" disclaimer

[haughty fossil]

imo just learn normal wk

[stray kestrel]

or run a category that doesnt require an ending

[daring coral]

damage%

no WK needed there

though they would be helpful

[hearty adder]

ooooo you wanna run 4ms so bad

[daring coral]

4ms?

[twin swallow]

4 mask shards

[stray kestrel]

4 mask shards

[daring coral]

ah

[hearty adder]

4- yeah

[twin swallow]

the superior meme category, crossroads grand tour edition

[daring coral]

i ask and the hivemind responds

[stray kestrel]

its fun and like ten minutes long

[daring coral]

ill have a look after i have a few AS runs

starting another category before even learning the full route for my first category sounds like a bad idea

[hearty adder]

Meme cats are good for when you're tired or burned out from main cats

[sterile charm]

Guys what are ur complete times???

[stray kestrel]

and/or when you're feeling particularly masochistic

[haughty fossil]

ooooh you wanna run King's Pass New Game Plus Slow so bad

[stuck raptor]

speedrun.com/hollowknight

[fervent dock]

Finally got it

didn't record it though because im stupid so

I'll have to do another one

[thorn jasper]

scuffed route might be more enjoyable than vs wk

[twin swallow]

finished run pog

[stuck raptor]

10.11 seconds from the perfect time

[tardy sable]

lol

[slate fulcrum]

THK teleported into me

why is that even allowed

[tardy sable]

the life

[stuck raptor]

🍝

[daring coral]

his home, his laws of physics

[stuck raptor]

just you wait until you head into soul sanctum

many TP enemies!

no restrictions!

[daring coral]

the room at the top right infuriates me to no end

[slate fulcrum]

like

[daring coral]

that guy always hits me like twice if i dont kill him

[slate fulcrum]

he didn't even teleport next to me

he literally just teleport inside me

[stuck raptor]

just you wait until you head into soul sanctum

all the soul twisters that can do that too!

[daring coral]

file a harrasment claim

[stuck raptor]

[daring coral]

pk?

[slate fulcrum]

Pale King i'm guessing

[daring coral]

i dont know enough of the shorthands for this game

[thorn jasper]

FK MK VK VS always trip me up

[stray kestrel]

nmg is the worst

[thorn jasper]

nailmaster's glitches

[stray kestrel]

no major glory

[hearty adder]

False Knight Malse Knight Valse Knight and Valse Snight

[formal bough]

reminder:

ss = SilkSong, Sharp Shadow, Stalwart Shell, Shaman Stone, Stone Sanctuary, Shade Soul, Stag Station, Storerooms Stag, SuperSlide, Soul Sanctum, Snail Shaman, Steel Soul, Spore Shroom, Supreme Spaghetti, anything else?

[daring coral]

false knight, ? vengefly king and vengeful spirit?

[thorn jasper]

Moss Knight

[stray kestrel]

salse snight

[daring coral]

oh yeah

[thorn jasper]

ss = that hissing noise you make when you hazard respawn to the start of a dark room

[slate fulcrum]

i'm getting tired of THK

he pissed on me

and i died

[stray kestrel]

try this #resources message

[granite field]

Soup Stew

[slate fulcrum]

ok i'm done

he keeps pissing on me

[limpid ruin]

Screw thk, worst trash ever

[slate fulcrum]

this is the worst designed boss in the entire game

it's way too difficult when beating the game normally and way too easy when beating it 100%

[limpid ruin]

I hate that forehead

[twin swallow]

it's several orders of magnitude too large

[stray kestrel]

no mind to think eh? its large head would beg to differ

[slate fulcrum]

finished my second any% nmg slowrun

after dying to THK 10 times

[low bramble]

THK is mean

[fervent dock]

THK is rude af

Run I did died twice to him cause he slapped myself into the corner

[slate fulcrum]

pog, now give me the wr

[fervent dock]

Anyway, time to do another one

[slate fulcrum]

imma just keep running Aluba% for now

[hard river]

I had a PB attempt nearly ruined due to THK going invis on me

[deft thorn]

@golden bobcat

[hearty adder]

Do you think would could send it as an mp4?

[stable bronze]

you're being super aggressive, but the only thing that really jumped out at me is when you fireball in the air, it can kind of leave you stranded if you have to jump again

I tend to stay further away so I can react better, but also my HK split isn't great

I've also seen people jump over HK when he lunges and shoot fireball in the direction he's moving to get double hits

I hope that helps!

[deft thorn]

I am really curious how much time this would lose with proper execution

[deft flame]

finally got a new PB after days of playing terribly

[haughty fossil]

gut instinct says 5 minutes, probably not right bu

[deft flame]

and first two splits were terrible which is good cause now i wont reset as much lmao

[stable bronze]

gg!

[snow dome]

You play this fight really well until you take like your second hit

You know what you're doing, you just panicked.

Or maybe started altering your play because you got hit and got worried about your health, which caused you to take more damage

[tardy sable]

Sub 45! Didn't die to uumuu like i did in my pb
And I have turned my shitty cloak split into a shitty VS split with a 1:02 kings pass

[snow dome]

Yep. It's not wr pace kind of fight, but you look like you're really safe. I thought this was a successful attempt until about 58s in

After your second hit you lose rhythm. After the third you panic.

You take a safety heal which is good, and then you get hit again and start just jumping about at random.

(That's an exaggeration, it's not random, obviously.)

[fervent dock]

Back to back!

Watcher knights screwed me from a sub hour

[tardy sable]

ouch

[worthy sluice]

Is it just pb day today?

I wish i could do a run

[tardy sable]

real reason i am +13.3 on VS
https://youtu.be/RWCy_sed760

[worthy sluice]

But i have a metric crud ton of homework

[fervent dock]

Everything before CH I've done dozens and dozens of times but I've done CH and later twice ever in an actual run

[worthy sluice]

Thats why i use the middle

[versed elbow]

I also use right side

[tardy sable]

i tried mid drop once and i got hit 😦

[versed elbow]

I've seen very little difference between middle and right tbh unless we're talking about once it's infected crossroads.

[tardy sable]

twice 😦 by tik tiks

[versed elbow]

Mid is the only way to go when it's infected

[grizzled maple]

If it was only tiktiks, no hits from gruzzers, then you were too late

theyre on consistent cycles, the gruzzers are just a mess of rng

[versed elbow]

I always get hit by gruzzers

[grizzled maple]

also if you get hit by the first tiktik you can 100% guarantee you will hit the 2nd

[tardy sable]

hmm probably, i think i fumbled up something on the way

[hearty adder]

Tfw you end up oob after taking damage in the dark room leading to desolate dive twice in a row

[fervent dock]

I always just did middle

[stable bronze]

something that's happened to me a couple times and I have no idea why, but sometimes after Lurien the screen stays white and I have to save and quit

[grizzled maple]

are you doing seer skip?

[haughty fossil]

you're not standing up fully after doing seer skip most likely

[grizzled maple]

^

[haughty fossil]

tap up when you begin to fall

[stable bronze]

oh, OK, I can't consistently do seer skip so I didn't make the connection

[vague jolt]

Why does HK do this? Is it just 🍝 ?

[grizzled maple]

basically yeah lol

[stable bronze]

hey software is hard

[grizzled maple]

it was their first game ever so i don't bully too hard but if i see a potato i'm gonna call it a potato

hk = potato

[stiff delta]

Disrespecting hungry knight smh

[grizzled maple]

it was a web game, it doesn't count

[stiff delta]

Its a classic

[green galleon]

is this the right channel for setup help?