speedrunning

[grizzled maple]

sure, what do you need help with?

[green galleon]

just a quick question right now, I just downpatched to 1.2.2.1 and it won't let me access the Full Screen option at all. It won't even skip over it, I have to go the other way to reach the options below it.

[haughty fossil]

you can use Alt+Enter to enter fullscreen

[green galleon]

bless, thanks 🙂

[snow dome]

Welcome to 1221 where your computer will consistently ask you "Why?"

[green galleon]

hehehe

[snow dome]

And you will answer "For the speed"

This was supposed to be a Watchmen reference but it kind of fell apart

[grizzled maple]

and in rebellion will crash thk's load

[woven glacier]

https://celerih.s-ul.eu/Rwhjs88Q.png

when u go from +4:00 to -2:30 lmaoo

this second run went wayy better than the first

[finite heart]

So what version is 1221? And whats the current one?

[woven glacier]

current patch is 1.4.3.2 iirc

[tardy sable]

1221 refers to 1.2.2.1 and current is 1.4.3.2

[woven glacier]

1.2.2.1 is the grimm patch

[grizzled maple]

specifically the final one, there are more

[finite heart]

So before lifeblood. Which fixed a bunch of bugs and made runs harder im guessing

[grizzled maple]

Yeah the patch immediately following was the one that optimized performance to work on consoles, and also removed a lot of important speed tech.

[stuck raptor]

harder, no. slower, yes

[finite heart]

Well traitor lord became harder.

[grizzled maple]

A lot of people who downpatch to 1221 are shocked at the performance difference

[dull lion]

Eh CP is slightly harder for some of the enemies but that’s not why we run 1221

Yeah 1221 performance is awful

[grizzled maple]

.... no

even my really good pc has a 150 average fps variance between the two

i get 300 on 1221 and 600 on cp

[haughty fossil]

do you um have vsync on perchance

[grizzled maple]

yeah lmao maybe. thats the only way

it's a HUGE difference. the switch could quite literally not run 1221

[haughty fossil]

i only get 150fps on 1432, and consistently dip below 60 on 1221

[grizzled maple]

because of the performance issues it also tends to eat more inputs and generally have a lot more jank

its a lot to get used to for someone who's only played cp

dont worry most people have both, and idk maybe you just adjusted well to the 1221 version, but i assure you, it's a lot more intensive on your pc

it was my casual patch and i had to do a lot of practice to adjust to how light the cp version felt

[dull lion]

It’s definitely not lol. Maybe your PC is just so beastly you can’t notice either way

[uneven scarab]

Well, if you play rando, it’s basically 1221 tech on cp

[dull lion]

Also 1221 eating inputs is literally the most frustrating thing

[haughty fossil]

maybe your pc is so bad you can't notice the difference between bad performance and bad performance

[uneven scarab]

Ooooh, makes some frenchie fries out of it then

[finite heart]

Im gonna do a nkg %. Haven’t actually seen the route at all and i cant record since im on switch but ill let you guys know how that goes.

[grizzled maple]

gl

[dense spire]

gl

Any PoP speedrunners? I have some questions..

[stiff delta]

Im bad but ye?

[dense spire]

Like, you know the part right after you hit the lever

[stiff delta]

Ye

[dense spire]

After the first 2 saws you have to fast mantis claw

so you can get faster than the saw

[stiff delta]

Okay

[dense spire]

Is there a way to actually mantis claw faster, I know it sounds stupid

But I can't get it consistent

And I lose a lot of time

[stiff delta]

look im ngl i dont know how to answer this

like i said im bad maybe someone good could give an actually good answer

[fervent dock]

It's just a rhythm

[dense spire]

Thanks anyways

[fervent dock]

I can't exactly say like what the rhythm is

You just get a feel for it eventually

[dense spire]

I think I understand

[fervent dock]

Yeah

[dense spire]

It's pretty hard to explain, but I think we are on the same line

[finite heart]

Omg i just fucked my whole run.

I just died to a vengefly immediately after killing the king so i missed all that geo and am back at ancestral mound

[dense spire]

[small magnet]

Awww

Saddest panda

[daring coral]

that vengefly needs a promotion

the previous king has been found lacking

nah, last i checked that wasnt neccesary

[finite heart]

He is the king now! And 25 minutes for claw.

[daring coral]

you seen most of the current monarchy?

they aint lived in decades

[formal bough]

#speedrunning is where speedrunners meme. White names need to meme in #hk-meme

[daring coral]

i do greatly apologise

[grizzled maple]

nah we meme in #sr-offtopic

no memes allowed here

[daring coral]

is this meant to be a reply to me? im confused

ok

my brain can fit now

[grizzled maple]

all consoles are 1.4.3.2 which is current patch

[ionic sparrow]

1433 is a thing

im not sure which consoles all have it, but some do

[grizzled maple]

there are ways to downpatch to older lifeblood dlc and godhome dlc but it's not allowed

oh is there pest?

[ionic sparrow]

yeah

[grizzled maple]

switch is definitely 1432, i honestly know nothing about the other consoles

is there even any notable differences?

[ionic sparrow]

not afaik

[grizzled maple]

fair, maybe its just the newest consoles that have it

[ionic sparrow]

you dont need to ping/reply to people unless you are specifically trying to get their attention btw

the constant notifications can get annoying unless its for a specific purpose

[grizzled maple]

(im always here unless sleeping or doing runs)

i don't know anything about ps4 though sorry

[daring coral]

optimal priorities

[thorn jasper]

note that you can disable the ping feature of replying, as demonstrated with this reply

[grizzled maple]

i do this for a living so it's pretty high on the list

[daring coral]

fair

[daring coral]

oh nice

[ionic sparrow]

1433 is weird cuz theres like no info on it anywhere

no patch notes like there is for the other patches

but it def exists

[grizzled maple]

yeah, that's why i was thinking it might be related to high tech consoles like ps4 or the new ones, maybe they just had to change something functionally for the different console itself

[ionic sparrow]

do you have it downloaded or physical on switch em

maybe its for the physical releases

[grizzled maple]

digital. i got it when it was first ported

ah yeah maybe thats it

[ionic sparrow]

yeah thats the only thing i can think of

i dont think ive seen this version of the voidheart screen on 1432 so yeah there are differences

tldr is 1432 == 1433 for all intents and purposes

[normal aspen]

yeah irts literally just the title screen

[dense spire]

case solved

[haughty fossil]

incorrect, 1433 also has this weird glitch where if you go into King's Pass, dreamgate into Colosseum and then do 3 nail cancels Will Smith from Team Cherry appears behind you

or at least thats what i assume the version number increment was for

[thorn jasper]

I would like a video of this

[grizzled maple]

Also I heard marissa sings the ievan polkka

[dull lion]

So upsetting that Smith Skip is console exclusive

Smh of course it’s a PS exclusive

[hearty adder]

Will Smith getting paid off by Big Console to give an unfair advantage to PS players

[fervent dock]

How would you get the time with loads?

Is it a separate option in LiveSplit?

[dull lion]

If you open up live split and click edit splits there will be a tab called real time I think, click that

[fervent dock]

Thank you

[finite heart]

So ive been mildly watching nkg% wr as ive been working on my own and yeah I actually did figure most of this route on my own (once i learned brumm gave a flame). It was just geo that I wasn’t sure about.

[grizzled maple]

Actual nkg wr is on patch 1221 btw

I finally remembered to submit it today lol

[steady lynx]

If you do a run on PS4 1433 just submit it as 1432

[grizzled maple]

Also geo routing is the hardest part of routing this game by a wide margin

When I route geo I look like that scene from its always sunny with Charlie and the paper is scattered all over the floor with 3 calculators.

[steady lynx]

Just pick up all the geo in a run and then calculate how many sources you could skip when you end up with 5k geo over

Wait, what does voidheart title look like in Chinese?

[finite heart]

And im scraping this. I have died so so many times its just uggh

Im over an hour and I haven’t even gotten the first flame set.

[grizzled maple]

Maybe nkg% isn't the best first category. Even as an experienced runner of going on 3 years who mains categories that fight him, I died on my first attempt of the category lol

I recommend all skills if youre a big fan of boss fights. Theres also a lot more resources for the beginner categories.

[steady lynx]

brb, gonna run PS4 112 until I get WR instead

[vague jolt]

Stupid question but what does "End triggering autosplit" mean?

[grizzled maple]

Every ending ends the timer

[haughty fossil]

the autosplit is allowed to end the timer

[grizzled maple]

Oh wait thats the new thing

Yeah so any split thats last will end the timer

[haughty fossil]

rather than default behaviour, where any game ending ends the timer, but not autosplits

[vague jolt]

Oh right, so it's for meme categories basically

[grizzled maple]

Yeah

[finite heart]

The thing i enjoy the most about speed running is the routing and figuring it out on my own. I dont really ever expect to be top on a leader board nor do i want to put in countless runs trying to get there. Ive actually done early nkg a couple of times. Once as the 4th boss, it twice with old nail. This isn’t beyond me this is just a really bad run. Probably should have realized that when i died to a vengfly

[haughty fossil]

aluba% isn't a meme category 😤

pretty sure it still ends timer on endings

[grizzled maple]

Posting here about your runs, we're gonna assume you want direction. Im not sure why you would otherwise

[finite heart]

To share accomplishment

[haughty fossil]

that's a good point actually, we should allow overriding the end split behaviour so future all cheevo runs can be leaderboarded

[grizzled maple]

Btw you definitely want to keep nail 0 (base nail) for nkg% because every level of grimmkin scales with each upgrade

Its a pretty dramatic difference, same as grave warriors

[finite heart]

I am aware of that.

I always try to deal with markoth before coiled nail. Tear through with abyss shriek

[vague jolt]

So what's the thing about fake splits I've seen somewhere?

[thorn jasper]

before Cerpin implemented end-triggering autosplit, a lot of meme categories had to have a dummy end-split after the target split. for example, 4 mask shards ends on the mask upgrade split, but it's not coded to end the run. so we used to have to manually split after that to end the run

[vague jolt]

Oh right so fake splits is no longer a thing that I should care about?

[haughty fossil]

correct

[vague jolt]

Awesome

[haughty fossil]

because cerpin is amazing

[stiff delta]

cerpog

[vague jolt]

Another question, can I make livesplit be a loadless timer but without actually having splits? Like if I just want to time things without going through the hassle of making splits just to test something

[thorn jasper]

I believe you need at least one split

[haughty fossil]

you need to have at least 1 autosplit for loads to be removed

[grizzled maple]

Mr. Mushroom (Location 6)

[haughty fossil]

i prefer Husk Miner (Killed)

i could never hurt her

[grizzled maple]

Also safe only normal miners also count as myla

I used to use PoP but one time I did it for a meme in a rando and cried because I couldn't make the timer start again lmao

[haughty fossil]

path of pain... for a meme? path of pain is a perfectly sensible course of checks

[formal bough]

Talk to Elderbug

oh but if you need rando map mod 😦

[haughty fossil]

i don't think we've even added an autosplit for that

not worth the effort

[formal bough]

The whole "every conversation in the game lfg" run hasn't recieved their splits yet? shame

[grizzled maple]

No lore tablets splits for mossbag% 😔

[haughty fossil]

lore tablets are getting some love in the form of lore tablet rando at least

[vague jolt]

Lore tablet rando soonTM

[twin swallow]

you don't have to complete the whole thing, just get the totem in the last room 🤔

however i am obligated to say path of pain good

[haughty fossil]

if you don't complete it after already doing every room

whats the point

[twin swallow]

inefficient 😔

[haughty fossil]

content

[twin swallow]

this is an ideological battle for the ages.

[vague jolt]

I'm sure I could full clear an EVERYTHING room rando seed faster than doing the final room Kappa

[rustic terrace]

time to start learning

[small magnet]

It's always learning time! Woooo!

Get it!

[fervent dock]

Welp, I'm very stupid and didn't realize my video stuttered so hard

[dull lion]

If you’re having trouble with video stuttering try turning down the resolution and FPS on your recording software 30 FPS 720P is more than enough for hollow knight recordings. You could probably get away with even less resolution if you had to. Also changing your encoding settings might help depending on your hardware but I’m not well versed enough with that to give much great advice

[golden bobcat]

What are the hardest parts in Any% where you’re most likely to die?

[normal aspen]

Watcher Knights

[golden bobcat]

Yeah

[knotty vigil]

somebody said woo

[golden bobcat]

I spent 30 mins on WK yesterday. I was mainly wondering if the worst is yet to come

[old bloom]

i feel rlly bad somehow i managed to submit the wrong video on a run submission and this persons gotta watch 2 of my runs now

[golden bobcat]

Can I submit a Switch run to both console runs and current patch?

[knotty vigil]

im sure theyll live but i get the guilt.

[old bloom]

ya, ig ill just have to be extra careful to not do it again ^^

[knotty vigil]

yeah lmao. at least you have the balls to upload a run. ive got a 4:47 on P1 and im still too scared to upload fgsdfgsdfg

[old bloom]

P1?

[knotty vigil]

pantheon

1

[old bloom]

ahhhh

why r u scared to upload

im out here in 17th/20 on switch leaderboards i just think its fun to be apart of xD

[knotty vigil]

i mean it would put me top 5 but im a perfectionsist soley in this game

[old bloom]

ahhh validddddd

[knotty vigil]

i have problems with holding myself to high standards dfgdsgsdfg

[old bloom]

omg mood

what if you saw it as

i upload this top 5 run now

[knotty vigil]

i think if i pb tho im def uploading

[old bloom]

and i use it as reason to keep going for 1

[knotty vigil]

yeah but

actually

thats prob a good idea

[old bloom]

XD

[knotty vigil]

considering the problem with people uploading wr's or even second places for their first upload fsgsfgsd

[old bloom]

yaaa theres that too

i mean my first run (offline) was almost 4 hours and with the largely the same route im now sub 2!

[knotty vigil]

sub two is pretty dope

[old bloom]

yeth! its especially impressive to non speedruners XDD

like my friends

[knotty vigil]

i might try running it for two hours tonight and if i get a pb ill upload. if not ill upload the other one lmao

LMAO

moood

[tardy sable]

lol

[old bloom]

cute! good luck :))

[tardy sable]

gl

[knotty vigil]

im like 4:47 could be better and my friend is like I CANT GET SUB 8 fkjghsdkfgjdshfgkjh

[knotty vigil]

ty ❤️

[knotty vigil]

ty

[old bloom]

asdjhdakda i rlly started speedrunning becasue my friend was stuck on hornet and i was like
lol what if i caught up before you beat her

and then i just didnt stop playing

[knotty vigil]

im an ok any% speedrunner but

when i just found out that

there are IL speedruns of the pantheons

I was like

hehe*

[old bloom]

hehehe

i can do bosses but
im not great at bosses quickly

so i stick with the any% for now

[knotty vigil]

im ok at movement, and ive been practicing via impossible any percent, made me get good at acid skip lmao. but boss rush is where is shineee

[old bloom]

also im kinda just playin as filler for SS
so we'll see how long this lasts

likely ill lose interest in like a month and not speedrun for another year

[knotty vigil]

now that i started i cant stop

i plan on speedruning SS tho

new game new leaderboard lmao

[old bloom]

nice!! I beat p4 after a spicy 14 hour grind and said

no more pantheons

[knotty vigil]

p4 is the one im worst at ironically time wise

not even p5

[old bloom]

i wouldnt be surprised if i end up doing it
but ill prolly try to do my first run as long as possible just to explore everything

[old bloom]

pfffft i love that

[knotty vigil]

yeah no i feel like ss is gonna be not as fun to speedrun but

its def gonna be nice to have a fresh game to explore

[old bloom]

if we're right and the map rlly is much bigger the runs will be longer and less peoeple will do it prolly

[old bloom]

100%

and the new mUSIC

[knotty vigil]

i spend almost as much time on music as i do playing holoow knight so ss

is the best of both worlds. but enough about that cause speedrun chat fdsgsfdkgj

[old bloom]

nashkjgsadjk ya i realized that too

uhhh speedrunning thigns

[fervent dock]

I'm a little late but I did end up fixing it, still just silly that I didn't do anything even though I had seen that error several times. Didn't think it would screw wiht the video that badly

[tardy sable]

Honestly, If the any% route ends up to be 3 times as long as hollow knight, i'd still do it

[old bloom]

valid, i feel like a lot of runners who run now will but i feel like less people would start know?

[tardy sable]

maybe, i can definitely see it being more daunting

i think it's going to depend on how difficult the game is for people casually. If it is about the same I think there might be still people that would want to start

[snow dome]

I'm hoping to get in at the ground floor for the 100% equivalent

[deft thorn]

Sorry, been busy with AS
But I did go over some route notes yesterday, so there is progress

Also I would think that any% AG for silksong will be -2s

[lofty bronze]

so i was reading the game rules for HK on speedrun.com and i saw that you cant even have the modding api installed, why is that?

[normal aspen]

Because even having modding api installed affects game performance

[lofty bronze]

wait does it actually?

i assumed it would be down to unfair mods or something but thats new to me lol

[normal aspen]

Yeah modding api makes a lot of stuff run faster

So you would save time all over the place

Plus its a lot easier to moderate when no mods are allowed

[lofty bronze]

thats fair, thanks!

[tardy sable]

dying in peaks is a mood

😦

ah yea

which is why i don't go for pogaxe

[meager current]

pogaxe

[proven shoal]

nub

[knotty vigil]

Uploaded first speedrun feelin happy

aww ty, also ty

[tardy sable]

so are you just waiting for it to be verified now?

[knotty vigil]

yeppo

gonna do a speedrun of every pantheon now

lmao

maybe not

[tardy sable]

haha, i also have a run that i got today i that i am waiting for

[knotty vigil]

give them time to relax lmao

[old bloom]

i hit the emoji cap :(

[knotty vigil]

nice!

aww rp cap

[tardy sable]

i honestly can't do a lot of the pantheon stuff anymore. I keep forgetting wings and shade cloak exist, and pure vessel, whom i had radiant on, is impossible for me now thanks to all the THK practice

[knotty vigil]

ah rip

pantheons are kinda my thing

im not goo at any% and stuff

so help with autsplitter

hecc nvm look it up

[snow dome]

The key for Pantheons is that you MUST have Ordered Splits on

[vague jolt]

Is there any reason to not have ordered splits on?

(I mean in any category, not just pantheons)

[normal aspen]

ordered splits on was making my livesplit crash at herrah on CP

[knotty vigil]

rip

[hard river]

I have a question for the Autosplitter; Is the 'Hollow Knight Scream (event)' the start of the fight?

[normal aspen]

yes

@haughty fossil 🐌

[hard river]

Sweet, thanks. I've been wanting to know how long it takes me to actually fight, rather than just go from beast to end game

[haughty fossil]

i exert self control and don't send the message and i STILL get snailed

[normal aspen]

yeah its a good way to get an idea of how good ur fight is

[normal aspen]

you just cant win

[meager current]

[limpid ruin]

(so when is THK scream added to every comsob?)

[meager current]

do it

[haughty fossil]

Herrah -> THK just isn't a variable enough/execution heavy split in any% imo

[deft thorn]

I want an autosplit for every unique line of dialogue

But I can't see sharp

[haughty fossil]

get glasses

[limpid ruin]

i mean, fireb0rn had a thk comsob that stood for an eternity with major (multiple seconds lost) herrah -> chains mistakes

[stark stream]

i did my speedrun and like it turns out my obs settings made it so that the timer was invisible. everything else was fine, but the time was 99.9% invisible so you couldn't see it at all

[deft thorn]

I have glasses
I still don't like that language :thkhands:

[limpid ruin]

if you submit it we'll just time it RTA if you want, brook. Its lightly annoying for you if you want future comparisons, but completely fine

[stark stream]

I figured out why. the color key also removed green colors in addition to making it transparent. i had to change the similarity to the color to 0 to make it not remove anything while also making it transparent

it's not that big a deal. it's just an annoying delay on top of other things

[haughty fossil]

i personally use a blue chroma key because i really don't want green being keyed out

[stark stream]

I've had issues running that I've never had before because apparently recording messes w my head apparently which is terribly ironic

[limpid ruin]

also protip for figuring out proper colour key value: make empty splits that you leave running while you figure out keying values

jamie, your blue livesplit burns my retinas, pls make it less vibrant

[stark stream]

lol

I figured it out. it's just. shocking i haven't noticed

imma just blame it on my controller

[limpid ruin]

yee, its incredible how much we dont think about which in retrospect seems obvious

[stark stream]

i dont really have time to run now. like, the time i have left to run is usually when im sleep deprived

[haughty fossil]

cerpin its not even that blue what

[stark stream]

my schedule is so busy lately. stream for 4/5 hours, sleep for 18 hours, and then i only have like two or so hours left to do anything

which is like one run w failed attempts

[limpid ruin]

wtf jamie change it to ins0mnia's livesplit colour so i look less wrong

[meager current]

mine is super bright blue

[normal aspen]

[meager current]

true pain

[limpid ruin]

[meager current]

whats also pain is that i missed 1:10 by 39 seconds

smh

[steady lynx]

Try being 39 seconds faster

[limpid ruin]

calling the genderless thk brother

[meager current]

k

[limpid ruin]

actually try being 39 minutes faster, and see what happens 👀

[meager current]

imagine being a speedrunner and knowing lore

[snow dome]

What does that emote mean?

[limpid ruin]

which one?

[deft thorn]

She got blinded by the color

[snow dome]

I clicked it then unclicked it

[limpid ruin]

?

[snow dome]

The one that is a reaction to your message

Yeah

[limpid ruin]

oh yea, it "Feels like PK/HK, Man"

usually in reference to tc jank killing runs

[haughty fossil]

[snow dome]

Ah

Thanks

[haughty fossil]

also used as an alternative to kappa for some reason

[snow dome]

Good stuff.

I will continue to not use it

[meager current]

i use it as a alternative to feelsbadman

[deft thorn]

I think it's less like normal kappa and more like "this hurt deep inside my heart" kappa

[daring coral]

he looks more emotionally scarred

[haughty fossil]

i mean

[stark stream]

imma blame this bad luck on my controller

hopefully the new one will be good. using joytokey is really iffy and i cant do some skips and stuff with it

for example, if i try to turn really fast and fire a fireball to the left, there's a 50% chance of it shooting to the right and me getting knocked into the enemy

i ordered a wired xbox 360 controller which will hopefully work much better and be native to the game

cp has the switch pro controller work natively but not 1221

it should be here today uwu

[knotty vigil]

am i the only person that gets extreme anxiety while waiting for a run to be verified

[old bloom]

not at all

[knotty vigil]

ok cool thanks

[old bloom]

pog

[stark stream]

i get massive anxiety sitting on my bed so relatable

the key is to stop caring

[old bloom]

plaese rate my quality assistance from 1-10

[stark stream]

or take your medicine

9

[old bloom]

wow what brought me down a point

[knotty vigil]

dont worry i rate it 11/10, nice voice ;3

[old bloom]

FSHKUASDGHJADSHJLAFSHLJASFHLIFS SHUT UP

[stark stream]

@old bloom you didn't use the corect grammar

[knotty vigil]

but yeah waiting for the verify is terrifying me, even tho it was only a 4:47

[old bloom]

its 4 am dont judge me...

[stark stream]

it's 7 am and ill judge

[limpid ruin]

omfg brook i never thought about the turnaround aspect of using joy2key for controllers and it messing up turnarounds and stuff

[old bloom]

ok then you didnt spell correct right /lh

[stark stream]

okay but are you a hot gamer girl

checkmate

[limpid ruin]

worst case: you get feedback telling you exactly whats lacking to get verified
best case: wr pog

[stark stream]

im not one either, but if you're not then why should i care

[knotty vigil]

not a wr

30th for P1

[old bloom]

uhhhh
i dont think i am
but other would disagree with me

[limpid ruin]

30th for p1 sounds like wr to me

[knotty vigil]

wr once i take the time to get lifeblood to Fury boost my way through it lmao

xD

[stark stream]

what category

[knotty vigil]

fr tho i just started actually practicing and even without using fury for basically the entire thing i hit 4:47

[stark stream]

unless its 112 and im dumb

[old bloom]

pantheon 1

[knotty vigil]

Il for P1

[stark stream]

ah i see

[knotty vigil]

IL*

[stark stream]

i was wondering if 4:47 meant hours not minutes

not sure what other categories have as wr

[knotty vigil]

lmao P1 taken me 4 hours

[stark stream]

i thought like 4 hours for 112% lol

[knotty vigil]

most have 3 to 9 mins any bindings, i think p2 is like 22?

p5*

[stark stream]

i seeee

i just do any% atm. I've decided to move on to the others when i get frustrated by my inability to even get top 100

[meager current]

idk what IL means

[knotty vigil]

Individual Level

[meager current]

ok

[old bloom]

do it on console, theres only like 20 runs :3

ez top 100 when 20th is the lowest place

[stark stream]

yea lemme buy a $150 elgato real quick

[old bloom]

just use your phone

thats what i do lol

[stark stream]

my fastest console time was like 1:09 on switch or smth

[old bloom]

F ok put me to shame like that

[stark stream]

any% nmg

[old bloom]

i always read nmg as nightmare ming grimm-

[knotty vigil]

Nightmare Major Grimm

[stark stream]

do u mean daddy

bc grimm is 100% daddy material

[old bloom]

this chat took a turn

[knotty vigil]

anyways my fastest p5 is like 28 mins but ive never recorded it cuz im dum and have anxiety issues

[old bloom]

head pats s ok, youll do better next time ^^

[stark stream]

my pb os like 1:00 on any%nmg

and every run since then has been worse actually

with loadings. i didn't check without loadings before

i think it was like 53 minutes or smth without loading

grimm makes me sad bc he reminds me of my extremely toxic and unhealthy ex-bestfriend who ghosted me. i miss em a lot

[lofty bronze]

does anyone have any advice for P5 speedruns? im gonna start soon so any advice would be good

[stark stream]

@lofty bronze play it as fast as possible

do what the world record guy does but faster

[knotty vigil]

dont damage tank, dont rely on just ur nail, go for double vengeful's and d o n t p a n i c

[lofty bronze]

based

i'll try that xd thanks

i hope to get fury strats in soon but rn i dont think i could

[knotty vigil]

fury strats is hard lmao

[lofty bronze]

i can imagine lol

[old bloom]

watching khas do fury strats gives me intense anxiety

[knotty vigil]

lmao it wasnt even that bad

[old bloom]

OK IT ALWAYS FEELS LIKE YOURE GONNA DIE

i get worried :<

[knotty vigil]

i did fury strat without lifeblood like a dingus

[stark stream]

stop feeling like that then

[old bloom]

you give rlly good advice

[dusk portal]

I have a question for the 4 Mask Shard speedrun: Does being on 1.2.2.1 really makes the speedrun faster or is it ok to be on current patch?

[old bloom]

depressed? dont

[stark stream]

it worked for me. I've never had a problem not solved by ignoring it

[meager current]

its faster on 1221 probably

[normal aspen]

It is fasater on 1221 but there is a seperate current patch cat so it doesnt matter

[old bloom]

im very jealous

[meager current]

most things seem to be

[stark stream]

if you ignore all your problems, then you cant have any

just read naruto fanfiction and drink strawberry milk since walmart didnt have any chocolate nesquik syrup

[knotty vigil]

that sounds like ur projecting

[stark stream]

wdym

life is actually going rather well for me if you ignore my mental health. i dont think there's any major problems im ignoring

[old bloom]

you dont just-

you dont just ignore

[stark stream]

i even got the lump on my left boob checked out. was benign growth, not cancerous at all. it went away after a couple months

very responsible of me

[knotty vigil]

unless ur speedrunning ur mental health we shoul try to stay on topic

[old bloom]

^^^

[stark stream]

im speedrunning talking about everything in my head

but yis i got naruto fanfiction to read.

[versed elbow]

Morning

Anyone else going for a PB today?

[meager current]

yes

[limpid ruin]

No, early game and my own destructive reset habits are stopping me

[meager current]

same

im still gonna go for it tho

[subtle mesa]

wow, i just got the 5 hrs playthrough cuz i didnt do it before and was like why not and the ingame timer was on 2 hrs 1 min, why couldnt i just do it in under 2 xd

well it was my first ever time trying to play through hollow knight fast so i guess

but how does the the vengeful spirit skip in green path work btw? i just cant get it

[steady lynx]

I'm always going for PB, if not for a fastest run I want a PB in most deaths to Hornet 2 in a day

[subtle mesa]

or like i know how obv but i cant perform it

[steady lynx]

My PB is 27

[hearty adder]

Gonna try getting 8:4x or lower on 4ms today

Had a really good pace yesterday but then i got a phone call and had to stop

[sturdy jay]

me on my fist speedrun "this will go well" 30 minutes later...dies to watcher knight ... nevermind.

[subtle mesa]

feel u

[steady lynx]

Happens to everyone

[hearty adder]

To be honest, everyone dies to Watcher Knights

[subtle mesa]

but it was actually a lot of fun so i might do some more runs

try to get something at 1:30 maybe, should easily work if i dont die to WK like 6 and THK 3 times ( but THK is just because THK is super laggy for me)

[lofty bronze]

what do you think a good time to aim for would be on your first couple runs? (poh runs specifically)

[sturdy jay]

i have not reached the poh but i am assuming it would take at max about 1:50

[hearty adder]

Whatever you get on your first try

Then you can set goals from there

[lofty bronze]

oke, thanks!

[golden bobcat]

Tips for WK? How much damage does shamaned VS do?

[median gull]

20 but can double and triple hit

[lofty bronze]

wrong channel or uh

[median gull]

and yea

wrong channel

[lofty bronze]

watcher knights

[median gull]

pls #hk-help question in #hk-help

[open swan]

i have heard wk are one of the hardest bosses

[snow dome]

Unlikely I'll be going for a Pb today as I've deleted everything off my computer

[granite field]

in a purpose of a any% nmg run they are tough yes

[snow dome]

Speedrun redownloading all my files and games

[deft thorn]

Ossyboi, how about that route Jamie made for you yesterday? I think I even pinged you with it

[snow dome]

hey hey

Which version of the downpatch is the one that currently works?

I remember there was some new one but then there were problems with it?

[digital jewel]

both should work still

[snow dome]

Thank you 🙂

Is there a guide for this depot downloader method?

Or is this some kind of fix to make the method in the Fireborn video work?

[digital jewel]

there's a text guide for both

[snow dome]

Ty

[granite field]

hello, quick question but the sound is mandatory to submit a run?

I just had a PB and wanted to upload but realized too late that my obs wasn't on correct settings for sounds so it didn't recorded it

[snow dome]

It is

[granite field]

arf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFspRnWDyQQ&feature=youtu.be

this is mega RIP

wanna delete it tomorrow and try another one probably

[snow dome]

Don't delete it

But it is a shame

[granite field]

yeah

[versed elbow]

Ooof. That's a feels bad

[mighty trellis]

can I get 18 masks today??

I'm at 10 currently

[leaden python]

you're in the wrong channel. Go ask in #hk-help

[mighty trellis]

ok

[lone oar]

Sub 2:00 Colo 1

[versed elbow]

A true gamer

[twin swallow]

can't stop won't stop

[lone oar]

epic gamer moment

[lone oar]

Might stop now though

[twin swallow]

for now...

[warm spade]

ooooeeeee i have a blue name now

oh wait nvm not yet

but my run was verified at least

[thorn jasper]

Put link to run on src here for blue name

[warm spade]

okie

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/yd907kjz

very exciting times

[granite field]

Gg Riley Knight

[versed elbow]

You WILL have a blue name.

[thorn jasper]

I see all skills splits 👀

[warm spade]

👀

full run soon

[verbal junco]

notlikequirrel name isnt taken on speedrun.com, this is pog

well now it is
i took it

[charred sigil]

gratz

[verbal junco]

cant believe that name wasnt taken tho

[verbal junco]

gg

i still cannot get blue name because i never finished a run because of the fucking watcher knights making me have a 63 minute lurien and at that point i just quit

[lofty bronze]

one day you'll get it

[dusk timber]

YOU'RE INSANE LETS GO

[formal bough]

@digital jewel you are consistently first alphabetically don't know what's up with that want to give our local kp runner a blue name?

[verbal junco]

"g" is one of the first alphabet letters so

[verbal junco]

1:4X possible or no

?

asking for a friend

[cosmic turtle]

hi all, new here.. do i just drop a link from speedrun.com to get a blue name?

[verbal junco]

yeah but it has to be your run

(which is obvious)

[cosmic turtle]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/run/z18o59wy

[dry sluice]

[cosmic turtle]

nice, gracias

[spiral gorge]

nice

whats your guys favorite boss ? mine is grimm the troupe leader

i like the colors

[formal bough]

sister of battle and #hk-discussion

in that order

[verbal junco]

my favorite boss is the white (cough) palace (king of pale boss fight)

[formal bough]

(actually I'm too scared of that second boss)

[spiral gorge]

hi im baby simp

[charred sigil]

my least favorite boss is #hk-meme

[charred sigil]

is there any reason you've replied to that person twice now?

[formal bough]

I haven't even attempted that fight

[spiral gorge]

i was introducing myself because I was looking at his run video he is very talented

sorry

[verbal junco]

ye

i had a sub 1hour until watcher knights
than it became 2+hour and i quit

[formal bough]

that's any% watchers for you. If you struggle too much against them may I recommend low% watchers? You lose dash and shaman stone, two of the most useless items in the game Kappa

[verbal junco]

but my entire playstyle is based around shamanstone

[lone oar]

1:4x is a tad optimistic I think, the fastest I could currently imagine would be 1:56ish, but ya never know what this crazy category has in stock

[charred sigil]

can you even triple wk without shaman?

[verbal junco]

yeah that makes sense

[thorn jasper]

Alex was being sarcastic just fyi. As an actual route alternative, I've been doing a few any% runs with Shade Soul and it's very nice

[verbal junco]

i was using shade soul

[snow dome]

I hard suggest All Skills if you're struggling

It's a real good category

[charred sigil]

Apparently it's not even that slow if you're good

[snow dome]

And there's tonnes of resource for it right now

[thorn jasper]

oh my apologies

[formal bough]

All skills is mainly hornet 2 for boss difficulty right?

[snow dome]

Hornet 2 is the only really hard boss fight, yeah

[verbal junco]

ddark worth? (for any%)

[limpid ruin]

shriek thk is horrible

[thorn jasper]

yeah, All Skills gets Descending Dark for Watcher Knights which makes them soooo much easier

[snow dome]

I got D-Dark on my first Any% run

[formal bough]

for any% ddark is generally more of an achievement object instead of a speedrunning object

[verbal junco]

hmm
i feel like
true ending
would be better for me
imo

[snow dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knh2r1nIALE&t=572s

True Ending is really hard

[verbal junco]

i get that

[thorn jasper]

True Ending typically only gets Shade Soul anyway

[verbal junco]

but i like it more

[granite field]

join us in 4 mask shards

[limpid ruin]

do TE if you want to :3

while any% is easier to learn, wanting to run something is better for learning

[verbal junco]

i think one of the reasons why i kept losing to wk

1. i refused to get anything above old nail, even though i use nail a lot

2. i'm honestly just shit at wk

[deft flame]

although if you DO like any% you shouldn't quit it just bc of WK

[formal bough]

Have you watched the relevant guides for wk?

[verbal junco]

im fine with any%

[jagged vault]

TE is quite a challenge coming from someone who has run it, but if you feel like you would prefer to run that, go for it!

[deft flame]

WK simply needs a lot of practice, thats how the fight is in any%

[formal bough]

also don't forget this masterpiece of an artwork to help with your watcher knight fights

[verbal junco]

ye

[deft flame]

have you looked at the WK video pinned in #any-percent-nmg ?

[verbal junco]

hmm
ismas worth?
i dont know how to do the crystal dash thing

• quality of life

[deft flame]

very much not worth it

you don't need to do QGA, you can do deepnest route

and as for the other acid skip besides QGA, that one is pretty easy

[verbal junco]

hm
whats the easiest way to get to monomon without crystal dash acid thing or ismas

[deft flame]

that is the one you'll need to do, but that one is easy

[jagged vault]

do the acid skip in crossroads, it's pretty straight forward

[versed elbow]

[deft flame]

the one you dont need is to get to queens gardens

[formal bough]

You can literally walk of the platform and time c-dash

[jagged vault]

it might look a bit harder than it is

[versed elbow]

Do I go for Any% PB or do I go for an All Skill no reset to get a baseline today

[jagged vault]

you just have to walk off the platform and hit the cdash when you touch the wall

[deft flame]

this, it looks kinda hard but its surprisingly easy

[thorn jasper]

all skills

[jagged vault]

the timing is more lenient than it seems

[versed elbow]

Anyone says All Skills

Slaurent:

[verbal junco]

what is an all skills

[versed elbow]

Exactly what it sounds like

[snow dome]

It's where you get all the skills

[versed elbow]

You get all skills before beating the game

[snow dome]

Then go kill Hollow Knight so it seems like it's not a meme category even though it is

[jagged vault]

all skills is a speedrun category where you get all nail arts, movement abilities and upgraded spells then end the game

[verbal junco]

ah

[jagged vault]

it's the second most popular category after any%

[versed elbow]

It's a meme category, but with a shit ton of traction lmao

[jagged vault]

it's not really a meme category at all

[thorn jasper]

I disagree with "meme" categorization

[jagged vault]

all skills is a common category in metroidvanias

[versed elbow]

I saw Slaurent typing, Blue

I had to mess with him

[stable bronze]

I'm taking a bit of a break but I'd like to push the XSeries WR down a bit so it's not quite so embarrassing, but then I'm interested in TE just because I don't like the bad ending

[limpid ruin]

The only meme category I know is anything that's not 106%

[versed elbow]

@stable bronze Just so you know, it's free for you

[stable bronze]

obscurity has its privileges I guess

[twin swallow]

There are no runs.

[stable bronze]

let me know where I can buy one too plz

[versed elbow]

I am begging my friend to let me use his Series X

Lmao

[stable bronze]

someone please relieve me of this burden

[jagged vault]

also, all skills shares a lot of aspects with True Ending while being significantly easier to pick up, might be worth taking a look at

[verbal junco]

even if i get a 2:24:56 on my run i'd be top 150
because im doing CP

[thorn jasper]

...what aspects? Shade Soul and wings?

[versed elbow]

I'd argue that All Skills is ever so slightly easier than Any% just because of having DDark/Shade Soul for WK/Uuwuu

[jagged vault]

pretty much yeah lol

[versed elbow]

However... Dark rooms

[jagged vault]

and abyss, hornet 2

[verbal junco]

wings worth for any%?

[jagged vault]

no

[thorn jasper]

My first All Skills runs routed a Lemm trip for lantern!

[jagged vault]

not if you're asking in terms of speed, which i presume you are since it's a speedrunning chat

[thorn jasper]

which only lost like a minute or two

[verbal junco]

my inexperienced ass doesnt know how to get to lurien without them

[jagged vault]

but if you want to add it in to make it easier to get into, feel free to!

[twin swallow]

you pogo a statue

[jagged vault]

speedrunning doesn't necessarily require the most optimal route

[verbal junco]

yeah

[versed elbow]

I only feel confident doing it because of how many times I've practiced it for Any%. The doors and movement become muscle memory.

[jagged vault]

it can be whatever you want it to be!

[deft flame]

jamie's guide has everything you need: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/gq0g3

[verbal junco]

• if i get shade soul (like i usually do, for quality of life) it takes like 4 seconds to beat BV so
  not too much time lost

[versed elbow]

Dark room in Crystal Peaks however

^literally me

[verbal junco]

getting to ddark room with no lantern

[twin swallow]

you can do that room pretty safely with cdash strats

[versed elbow]

You wanna hear some babyback BS?

[verbal junco]

all i want is sub 2hours it should be fine

[versed elbow]

I did that room perfectly the first time I ever practiced it

Have never been able to repeat it

Well "perfectly"
Perfectly with baby strat as Hyperion mentioned. Cdash and wall hop when you hit a wall

[twin swallow]

current patch pogaxe is annoying

dude can just say "no i will not throw the thing"

[versed elbow]

How much of a timesave is Pogaxe?

Genuine curiosity

[frigid rapids]

~2s

[versed elbow]

That's literally for WR grinding

Got it

[golden bobcat]

Any% WK is hard

Really hard

[versed elbow]

At first it is

I can consistently 1st or 2nd try them now. I just spent way too many hours in that arena getting my ass kicked

Ask Nugget next time he's here. His experience was worse than mine.

[stable bronze]

yeah like half the time I get it first try, and the other half I die repeatedly

my average is coming down

[golden bobcat]

I've been stuck on it for 1.5 hours. Over 2 days

[versed elbow]

Rookie

Numbers

[golden bobcat]

It was a speedrun

[verbal junco]

time to practice wk for 14 hours

[golden bobcat]

Not anymore

[versed elbow]

Lemme go get my first run splits for you

You'll notice where I got stuck

[verbal junco]

i got 114 hours in hk over a single week, i'm a healthy person

[verbal junco]

u u w u u

[golden bobcat]

These are my best splits so far

[frigid rapids]

kinda yeah. It's fairly consistent tho, so a lot of runners still go for it, but i'd say most of them are in the 35-36 range (or below) in Any% NMG (1221)

[golden bobcat]

Never got past WK

[versed elbow]

[charred sigil]

are you on PC ossy?

[stable bronze]

yeah I struggled on uuwuu until I realized you can dream nail it

[golden bobcat]

No

Switch

[charred sigil]

hmmmm

how do console players practice bosses efficiantly?

[golden bobcat]

They're not the same attempt

[stable bronze]

we die a lot

[versed elbow]

There's an easy way for the WKs

[deft flame]

i think they just die on purpose to the last knight

[golden bobcat]

Just a compilation of the best splits

[charred sigil]

that's pretty rough

[versed elbow]

WK specific- don't kill the last one and save/quit out

Once you're a 1v1 with that last one you shouldn't lose

[frigid rapids]

smash your console to the wall so the game doesn't save

[versed elbow]

That should be 10/10 wins

[charred sigil]

Yeah

but if you do the WK fight correctly they can both die on the same spell cast

[golden bobcat]

I just don't feel like spending 40 just grinding WK

[charred sigil]

so uh

what do you do if that happens

[deft flame]

then i guess you just start a new run lmao

[twin swallow]

free early game practice

[deft flame]

yeah console is... complicated

[charred sigil]

[versed elbow]

I've never gotten the same spell kill

I'm bad

[charred sigil]

honestly it's pretty hard, especially on the last set

[verbal junco]

this is my layout (i accidentally reset my pb's

[twin swallow]

bruh

[versed elbow]

That's fine, just get new PBs

[deft flame]

hey at least you dont have to worry about how to practice THK

[median gull]

bruh

[plucky moss]

?

[golden bobcat]

Why Fury of the fallen?

[median gull]

they are just trolling sonia

[charred sigil]

what

[plucky moss]

what happened?

oh

[median gull]

nothing happened

[verbal junco]

makes earlygame bosses easier

[plucky moss]

[golden bobcat]

Fair enough

[median gull]

(but take this ping as a rando ping and play rando)

[twin swallow]

:D

[verbal junco]

and i bank on city crest because fuck going to lemm and than sly than getting lumafly

(dont tell them i get lumafly for herrah

[plucky moss]

uh huh

[median gull]

I can translate any questions you have

[stiff delta]

ah yes

[median gull]

just don't @ mods.

[plucky moss]

oh are they asking me if im brazilian?

[median gull]

yea

[deft flame]

yea

[plucky moss]

I'm french so no

[deft flame]

btw @median gull you brazilian too?

[median gull]

yea

[deft flame]

huh i had no idea

[verbal junco]

im ukranian but native english speaker

[limpid ruin]

Omg Brazil oui oui? 😳

[plucky moss]

brazil is in france? lfg

[glad sluice]

no

[verbal junco]

french is brazil

[limpid ruin]

Le sí

[versed elbow]

Anyway @golden bobcat I'll say to you, the same thing my friend told me when I was down on myself when I started speedrunning Mario Odyssey and wasn't doing well.

You're not a pro. You're just starting. Noone started out and got a WR or even a top 10 on their first run.

[formal bough]

bagette ≠ brazil

[versed elbow]

French

[golden bobcat]

I really enjoy doing any% until WK. I just feel I don't have the patience to grind out a single boss for I don't know how many hours. What should I do?

[deft flame]

either go to another category or learn to enjoy practicing WK i guess?

[twin swallow]

• practice more and prove yourself wrong
• get extra equipment to help you
• play cat extensions that don't fight watcher knights

[median gull]

play 4ms

[thorn jasper]

:shroop

[golden bobcat]

What other categories could I do?

[versed elbow]

I swear 4ms has it's own cult

[golden bobcat]

What is that?

[deft flame]

all skills probably

[haughty fossil]

that. we usually recommend all skills as a beginner cat because the difficult learning comes from dark rooms rather than boss fights, which are a lot easier to learn

[twin swallow]

it's not a cult it's a way of life

[median gull]

4 mask shards, basically getting all mask shards in crossroads

[golden bobcat]

What is 4ms?

[versed elbow]

4 mask shards

[haughty fossil]

.

[median gull]

4 mask shards, basically getting all mask shards in crossroads

[thorn jasper]

it takes a bit longer than 4 microseconds though

[versed elbow]

Basically speedrunning getting 1 more hitpoint

[thorn jasper]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes#4_Mask_Shards

[median gull]

you could also do aluba% since you already know early game

or myla% elderbug%

[twin swallow]

no, spare myla

[thorn jasper]

[twin swallow]

myla did nothing wrong

[versed elbow]

Myla% makes you a villain in the community, but I'd say go for it

[thorn jasper]

you spelled hero wrong

[formal bough]

Myla% makes you a villain hero in the community, so I'd say go for it
ftfy

[hearty adder]

Myla% is about saving her from the horrors of the infection, you see

[versed elbow]

Ah I see, 2 more people with mindsets like mine

[formal bough]

best girl% or myla% nothing inbetween

[haughty fossil]

bestgirl% is the best theoretical category extension

[plucky moss]

where is that clip of blue saying he wants to kill myla btw

[versed elbow]

Best girl%?

[haughty fossil]

what other category extension gets 1 nail upgrade to allow you to do a blessed shade skip in basin

[golden bobcat]

Why is the 4ms WR done in Steel Soul?

[hearty adder]

i was just thinking about that

[haughty fossil]

(beat game right after talking to myla, so no picking up dive or cdash)

[formal bough]

best girl% = beat the game without infecting myla = no cdash

[twin swallow]

why not

[thorn jasper]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CalmLittleIguanaMingLee

[lucid stirrup]

https://www.twitch.tv/blue_sr_/clip/CalmLittleIguanaMingLee?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[twin swallow]

4MS is so short that if you die you lose enough time that you may as well reset (if you're going for WR at least)

[hearty adder]

4ms record is 7:51 iirc, Steel Soul and regular aren't separated though

[charred sigil]

i think you are snailed on everyone elses screen

[versed elbow]

2 people just had that ready to go

Love it

[lucid stirrup]

oh lmao

i was first on my disc

https://www.twitch.tv/blue_sr_/clip/CrowdedSoftWebSoonerLater?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time Part 2

[charred sigil]

ye that's how it goes

[hearty adder]

the way it cuts off is so perfect

[thorn jasper]

gwonkee is a good clipper

[golden bobcat]

Approximately how long will a first run of All Skills% take? Is King's brand included?

[median gull]

Depends on how much practice you did

[formal bough]

You need it for shade claok

even if it wsan't

[limpid ruin]

And shriek

[haughty fossil]

king's brand is a key 😤

[formal bough]

Actually does glitched all skills get king's brand because they could probably oob past the door

[golden bobcat]

Is there any runs like Cloak% or Claw%?

[median gull]

https://youtu.be/shC6LSJGwRE

[haughty fossil]

aluba%

[median gull]

why need key

there's aluba% that is basically dash% but kill aluba after getting dash

[formal bough]

aluba% = kill the aluba in lake of unn = dash% = me 🐌

[haughty fossil]

aluba% NMG = run up to cloak then pogo my best friend to get up to kill a horrible monster

[vague jolt]

But do you have to kill that aluba or would it be valid to kill the white lady aluba

[formal bough]

it would be vaild I think

just bad

[vague jolt]

[formal bough]

on the other hand no more meme than 24 hour kings pass so go for it

[maiden bane]

Truth be told I was disappointed to not see a white lady aluba run on the board

[vague jolt]

I mean if I wanted to run aluba% by killing the white lady aluba instead I'd run 4ms but you get the cg2, flower, hive and 1500 essence mask shards

[median gull]

just do 1 run and submit to both categories

[vague jolt]

[formal bough]

get the 1 essence from cloth

that should help for 1500 essence

[lucid stirrup]

wasn't there something about it being possible to kill the aluba from frogs grub?

[golden bobcat]

I'm gonna do a run

[vague jolt]

Yeah, you do it in rando with shade soul

[lucid stirrup]

yeah why would you need shade cloak then

[golden bobcat]

Don't think I'll get past WK though

[median gull]

shade cloak was another convo for AS

[lucid stirrup]

oh lmao

[median gull]

you don't need shade cloak for white lady aluba%

[hearty adder]

Don't you need shade cloak to fight traitor lord?

[lucid stirrup]

what would be the fastest way to get qg aluba then?

[ionic sparrow]

yep

[median gull]

you don't need to fight traitor lord

[formal bough]

shade soul works

[maiden bane]

Isn't shade soul longer than shade cloak since you need to get dash slash for the lever skip (I don't play 1221, that might be wrong) and you need to get into QG somehow and the easiest way is probably the shade entrance instead of dark mask maker or crystal heart for QGA

[haughty fossil]

dash slash, shade soul

use dash slash to enter QG

[maiden bane]

Oh, can you lever skip QG? CP reacts only

[lucid stirrup]

you can enter qg with dashslash, cdash, or isma

[haughty fossil]

you can, ASS slow route uses it

or great slash 🙂

[lucid stirrup]

AS uses it

[haughty fossil]

also gwonkee you're missing shade cloak

[vague jolt]

Shade soul + cdash might be faster than shade cloak

[median gull]

why cdash

[lucid stirrup]

wdym

[median gull]

you can also enter QG with shade cloak

[vague jolt]

cdash to enter QG is faster than going through deepnest

[haughty fossil]

you can enter qg with shade cloak

[lucid stirrup]

well, since you either need cpeaks or dashslash for shade soul, and both cpeaks and dash slash give access to qg

[median gull]

flib

we are lever skipping

with dash slash

[vague jolt]

Oh I'm CP gang

[lucid stirrup]

oh yea jamie that too

so would QGA route be faster or dash slash

[haughty fossil]

cp gang you do reverse dark deepnest 🙂

[lucid stirrup]

err wait

[vague jolt]

@haughty fossil but then how do you kill the aluba

[maiden bane]

But on CP you need Elegant Key or Shade Cloak

[haughty fossil]

buy e key using cp all skills geo routing

[maiden bane]

If you get shopkeep's key may as well get Cheart, right?

[haughty fossil]

that is fair

[lucid stirrup]

shade soul from frog room

[vague jolt]

If you do shade soul then you get cdash right there

going through deepnest is slow

[haughty fossil]

(might have forgotten shop key exists 🥴)

[lucid stirrup]

cdash should be slower than dslash

bc you would need lantern

[haughty fossil]

this is cp route

dash slash is worthless on cp

[lucid stirrup]

why would you do this on cp tho

[median gull]

now we are talking about CP gwonkee

we already routed 1221

[lucid stirrup]

obv i know for jamie

[median gull]

like 3 min ago

[lucid stirrup]

oh wait wtf

i was here 3 mins ago

[vague jolt]

because I don't want my computer to explode

[median gull]

and you missed the route lmao

[lucid stirrup]

can you link msh

msg

i dont see it

[haughty fossil]

im writing route + scuffed geo route

[median gull]

oh no one full wrote a route

but route is basically any% + geo to dash slash > shade soul > kill aluba

[lucid stirrup]

what is the fastest way from shade soul to aluba?

[median gull]

maybe AS geo routing actually

[hallow orchid]

through dark deepnest, of course

[vague jolt]

Maybe stag to QS which you opened after getting claw

Or go through fog canyon past archives

[haughty fossil]

doesn't 1221 all skills get gp stag or am i insane

[lucid stirrup]

so then you would wanna get kings stag right

and go there after Shade soul like in AS

[hallow orchid]

it does not Jamie

[haughty fossil]

🥴

[lucid stirrup]

it used to and it would get gslash right before thk

[vague jolt]

Yeah, that geo route might be a bit tight for no lemm

[lucid stirrup]

watch ush's run for reference

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[twin swallow]

good luck \o/

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[hallow orchid]

after getting shade soul via lever skip, kill the soul warrior on the way out for an easy 200 geo

[haughty fossil]

1221: All Skills to shade soul Drop down to lemm, grab rafters seal and sell. quitout back to king's station buy king's station, stag to dirtmouth run to QG through greenpath win

[median gull]

you can get a bunch of geo going to dash slash, can't you?

[haughty fossil]

if you can get enough early game geo before dash slash to buy QS stag then that's optimal

but it doesn't seem likely

[hallow orchid]

you need it all for dash slash, viitor

[lucid stirrup]

CP qg aluba% might be the most obscure catagory I've ever heard

[hallow orchid]

if we use AS routing anyway

[lucid stirrup]

just add AG to make it better lmao

[median gull]

no shaman stone tho

[hallow orchid]

honestly why are we routing QG aluba% instead of 2 aluba%?

oh yeah we can skip shaman

[haughty fossil]

alubas%

[median gull]

420 ghusk + 350ish crossroads? + IDK GEO TO DASH SLASH + profit

[haughty fossil]

oh damn yeah

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[median gull]

also

[lucid stirrup]

wait can you kill norman without ekey??

[haughty fossil]

so this is just all skills except right after claw you go unlock QS stag?

[median gull]

get the seal above king's

and not rafters

oh wait

nvm

[haughty fossil]

that is a better seal

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[golden bobcat]

How do I do the goam room in Crossroads fast?

[median gull]

oh ok

[hallow orchid]

GP stag is probably better than QS stag?

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[haughty fossil]

gp stag takes less time but you run a long way

[hallow orchid]

alubas% peeps should we take this to #misc-runs-nmg ?

[lucid stirrup]

GP stag is faster to open, but slower to get to autopilot area

[haughty fossil]

this would require timing

[vague jolt]

Actually I think for cp the shade cloak route is maybe better than the peak route

[median gull]

yea math