5hrs in just trying to beat them at all at this point
#speedrunning
cinder bison
stiff delta
its a tough fight
its the typical roadblock, a lot of people have trouble with them at start
snow dome
Could be worth trying All Skills first?
Or potentially getting Shade Soul to help with the fight
cinder bison
Yeah I’m thinking if I can make myself able to beat this it’ll motivate me enough to learn the rest of the run
snow dome
Ah.
hearty adder
All Skills has you way more beefy when facing them
cinder bison
right
hearty adder
If you're having a lot of issues with them it'd be best to go that way
snow dome
Then I have no other words of wisdom for you. Go forth and bash thy head
cinder bison
In my casual playthrough they were the last thing I fought before finishing the game and were still hard for me w monarch, shade cloak, pure nail etc
snow dome
You could literally just grab 800g, get the bench at King's Station, grab Dash Slash, then grab Shade Soul, then do Watchers
I did a route where I got Descending Dark at first
That's how much I struggled with them.
limpid ruin
WK do get significant health increases as you level your nail
snow dome
This was about 3 months ago.
cinder bison
Think I’ll grind a few more hours tomorrow and then try that if I still can’t
snow dome
Also that ^^^ they get together at nail 3 and 4
All Skills is much more movement focused than boss focused. The bosses are about not losing time more than not dying.
cinder bison
Also maybe try and boost my performance somehow, already have all the settings lowest but maybe I can do sm with my computer
I think hk’s lowest particle setting is more than any amount of particles ive ever seen in a game lol
snow dome
I'm convinced those settings don't do anything
cinder bison
I’d believe it
snow dome
I had serious lag issues at Hollow Knight so I ended up buying a new computer
limpid ruin
I would say that learning all skills is a more broad category to learn, but you have so much more damage you wont have to do endurance style fights in every fight
and yea, HK is just straight up poorly programmed, so the only way to run it well is with a good computer FeelsMan
snow dome
The category is like twice as long as far as stood to remember. I'm playing with a notepad file open at the moment and still missing small things
And by "still" I mean "I have run it 3 times and I forgot to bench once"
uneven scarab
which category?
uneven scarab
ah, 1221 or cp?
snow dome
I'm on 1221 because the E-Key route is even more fucking about
lucid stirrup
dont need dash for wcs on gates btw
patent olive
What's a good time to aim for as a first speedrun?
raven holly
If you're doing the any% route, then a goodish time as a brand new player is around an hour and ten minutes for your very first run from what I've seen. The time doesn't really matter though to begin with you just want to have a time on there to run against no matter how fast or slow it is 
charred sigil
^ finishing a run with any time is highly recomended. A lot of people stress about initial placement on leaderboards and how they measure up, but one way of looking at speedrunning is self-improvement and competing against yourself
and to that end, your start really won't matter
zinc copper
i got wr with a time of one sec ez
thorn jasper
I bet you re-did what fireb0rn did but without the last heal 
stiff delta
omg hi
normal ember
how do I stop uumuu from getting out of the platform too early? I get 4 hits and 2 fireballs in and hes already floating to the right.
raven sand
Is there a decent sized community for speedrunning Path of Pain specifically?
dense hinge
there is, yeah. around 50 runs on the leaderboards
raven sand
I don't have any mods installed, so I've just been practicing the platforming section (either quitting when I reach the final chute, or just trying to go backwards to the beginning(ish)
dense hinge
if you want to submit a run to src, you need to do it on a fresh file of the path of pain.
ie the lever in the second room isnt hit, and the floor isnt broken there
stiff delta
There should be saves in src iirc
dense hinge
in #resources as well
raven sand
My time for everything BEFORE the minibosses is 2:30 or so (though I could get 2:10 if I did it hitless, which I'm working on). Does anyone have a good sense of how much time is usually added by the minibosses?
raven sand
There should be saves in src iirc
Awesome, thanks. I still need to look into how all the modding and stuff works, but I'll probably be able to figure it out
stiff delta
?saves
sick ravenBOT
Saves
Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\``` ** ** Mac File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/``` ** ** Linux File Paths: ```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/ Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```
raven sand
My time for everything BEFORE the minibosses is 2:30 or so (though I could get 2...
Trying to get a sense of whether that's close-ish to a good time, but it's hard to say without the minibosses, and I don't want to fight them and end up locking my run out until I figure out how save files work
dense hinge
My time for everything BEFORE the minibosses is 2:30 or so (though I could get 2...
if you do everything optimally, the kingsmoulds and cutscene takes about 30s to complete i think
raven sand
if you do everything optimally, the kingsmoulds and cutscene takes about 30s to ...
cool, thanks
dense hinge
save files are pretty easy to work with, it shouldnt be too big of a problem
raven sand
Okay, so it sounds like I have a decent time then, if I can cut out the last couple hits (I find my better runs involve taking damage 2-5 times, but I think a perfect run is just a matter of luck lining up this time)
dense hinge
if youre not already, you can also use livesplit for loadless times (timer pauses automatically while the rooms are loading, and it stops automatically after the cutscene at the end)
raven sand
oh wow, that sounds very helpful. I've literally been using my iPhone timer, lol
I wasn't taking it that seriously b/c I figured I wasn't close to good enough, but I've put a lot of hours in over the past several months just incidentally
dense hinge
all runners have start out somewhere, and hey, a 3:00 or so PoP time is really good. and the more practice you get in, the better youll get 
oblique oxide
so, question
Is explosion pogo possible on the latest patch?
I got close once
but I don't know if I can do the full thing
dense hinge
i believe it is, yeah. ive seen guides around, gimme a sec
raven sand
all runners have start out somewhere, and hey, a 3:00 or so PoP time is really g...
Thanks 🙂
dense hinge
Is explosion pogo possible on the latest patch?
oblique oxide
alright thanks
ok I should be able to do it dashless as well. Considering running lowpercent 🙂
verbal stag
dashless epogo isn't possible on cp iirc
steady lynx
cp low% does a shade skip up there iirc
hot spire
i need some help everyone. i’m trying to learn any% nmg. but i’m completely stuck on explosion and mantis pogo. i’ve been practicing for like 3 hours straight and haven’t gotten a single mantis pogo and only like 4 explosion pogos. any tips?
exotic thunder
is vsync off
make sure its off and just practice. maybe look at how top runners set it up and copy their setup exactly
eternal anchor
I'm sure this is a common question but I've just started speedrunning Hollow Knight and I was wondering if Menu Dropping isn't do-able in the current patch
Again sorry, I'm sure this is a really common question
carmine yew
It is doable, but not in the same way
eternal anchor
The only way I figured out how to do it
carmine yew
It’s physics frame perfect when you walk off of a ledge
carmine yew
If you watch top cp runs you’ll see how they position themselves well to use it
eternal anchor
I got decent at that but I would have to be insane to be consistent through a full run
fathom ibex
It's possible but now it's a frame perfect trick, don't remember the ratio if 1/50 or 1/60
carmine yew
A lot of runners aren’t super consistent with it
You don’t need to worry too much about it, especially if you are just starting
eternal anchor
But in the dp its do-able by just opening menu in-air?
carmine yew
On 1221 and before you can simply open inventory mid air yes
eternal anchor
Thanks 🖤
carmine yew
No problem!
hot osprey
I'm assuming baldur instakill is not possible on cp?
mild gate
nope
hearty adder
Any% NMG and All Skills NMG are very beginner friendly
hearty adder
Any% has tougher boss fights and all skills has tougher platforming
hearty adder
i assume it's just getting all skills?
Getting all skills and beating the game
limpid ruin
All movement skills, spells, and nail arts
its a really fun category
a ton of good movement :3
warm iron
ill see if i can start learning it
hearty adder
There's a lot of guides and resources on the pins
And if you have any specific questions people will be happy to help
hearty adder
You can run in either, they have their separate leaderboards
vocal dove
i got 1:00:23 🙂 failed epogo. sub 1 is in reach!
haughty fossil
ok I should be able to do it dashless as well. Considering running lowpercent 🙂
the shade skip in low% is skippable using fireball turnarounds at the normal entrance to mantis Village (similar to the low% queen's Station skip). if you are going for the shade skip, it's optimal to do a fireball turnaround to leg eater first and get his bench
drowsy tangle
so im running all skills nmg, and i accidentally did some glitch. just after picking up kings brand, hornet rescues the knight, i paused there because my sister came into the room, then when i unpaused i had early control. will the run still count??
zenith sorrel
not if you turned invisible
zenith sorrel
you probably hit dream nail or cdash
limpid ruin
yea thats a major glitch
drowsy tangle
even if i add the time it would take to walk?
limpid ruin
its still a major glitch yea :/
drowsy tangle
omg im so sad
mild gate
oof
drowsy tangle
that was so big PB haha
mild gate
better luck next time ;/
limpid ruin
pb bigger next time 
drowsy tangle
well well, rules are rules :(
limpid ruin
did you finish the run?
mild gate
o7
limpid ruin
yea, PBs are more for personal gain than submitting really either way
drowsy tangle
ik it's not supergood but it was 2:30 time save
limpid ruin
gg, sub hour when? 👀
drowsy tangle
idk, but that's my goal :)
chrome bramble
Should i upgrade my nail before watcher knights
twin swallow
if you have the geo spare and think you need it, sure
mild gate
i think wk scales with nail upgrades
twin swallow
their HP only scales at nail 3/4
twin swallow
it's 220 each at nails 0-2
chrome bramble
id rather upgrade i have 500 spare geo
drowsy tangle
is this glitch ok? some variation of wall cling storage
zenith sorrel
yes, you didn't use it to get to a place that would otherwise be unreachable
drowsy tangle
oh ok good, if that was the case, it would not be cheat?
zenith sorrel
no
snow dome
I thought that getting that kings brand glitch by accident was deemed okay
drowsy tangle
yes, you didn't use it to get to a place that would otherwise be unreachable
i mean if i DID use it to reach an unreachable place, that is cheats right
snow dome
If you didn't gain an advantage with it. We had like a day long discussion about this.
chrome bramble
Im guessing wall cling storage isnt in cp
snow dome
I was just talking about the king's brand glitch there
Wall cling storage is okay everywhere so long as you only go fast and don't actually skip anything.
thorn jasper
Im guessing wall cling storage isnt in cp
It is still technically possible in some places, but afaik there's no place where you can get extra momentum and/or improve your room movement with it
snow dome
Wait is that true? This explains a lot about my cp runs. 👀
drowsy tangle
so how does one get that kb glitch?
obviously pausing and resuming does the trick
since that's what happened to me :(
so i don't accidentally do it again.
snow dome
You mean the bad one or the good one?
What you're going for to get the legal glitch is charge a nail art and then you release it just as your character starts moving. If you release it before you start moving you have invisible movement and that's illegal.
It's very easy to get wrong by accident. I thought it was ruled that getting it wrong was a 2s penalty, to be honest, but that might not have been the end conclusion.
zenith sorrel
as far as I'm aware this has not been decided on by the mods
jagged vault
ville you want to charge a nail art
snow dome
Ah, it was never actually concluded. I really would like it to be, especially given that I'm not running All Skills. I'm literally not doing the glitch until it's ruled to be a time loss not a reset.
Basically
jagged vault
and only let go after the knight moves up one pixel
snow dome
Woops! I meant nail art not dream nail, sorry.
jagged vault
that's the visual cue for not turning invis
if you do it earlier it's major because you get invis control
if you pay attention to the knight, right after hornet jumps away after saving you, the knight moves up a pixel or two. you want to release the nail art charge after that cue pretty much
drowsy tangle
ok, and by moving u guys mean the animation of getting up?
snow dome
Yes
drowsy tangle
ok, is that like just a 1 second save
cuz seems pretty risky to risk blowing the whole run away
ty guys!
snow dome
Yeah this is why I'm not doing it
hot osprey
ever since i tried downpatching hk ive been having modding problems, can 1221 cause mod problems with the main game? i never tried installing them on 1221, but i did switch 1221 to my main version for a time
limpid ruin
mods are usually just for cp
if you downpatch youll likely have to repatch it after uppatching again
thorn jasper
yeah, I'd recommend having 1.2.2.1 be an entirely separate install, so modding issues don't happen. In fact, I have four separate installs:
- 1.2.2.1 plain
- 1.2.2.1 with debug mod and show hitboxes (which are separate versions)
- 1.4.3.2 plain (the default steam install)
- 1.4.3.2 modded (I pointed modinstaller here)
hot osprey
that's what i did
i kept it separate
and when i went back to cp
the mods weren't working
i checked everything, went to #archived-modding-help, and nothing
limpid ruin
1221 debug uses different formatting than 1432 debug I know, in case thats why you have issues
hot osprey
i dont think so, i never actually installed mods on 1221
digital jewel
perhaps you did something that caused steam to verify your cp install
and redownload changed files
hot osprey
idk maybe
idk how that works tho
the mods are all there, ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling both the mods and the game
nothing seems to work
digital jewel
that doesn't make sense
did you somehow end up with 2 cp installs, and you're loading the wrong one?
hot osprey
no, only one install of cp. i made sure my 1221 install is outside of my steam library as well
and i checked the location of the mods, even opened the exe file from file explorer, nothing seems to work
digital jewel
are you sure the mods aren't installed but just deactivated?
hot osprey
yeah, i made sure in the modinstaller. i also checked my files, the disabled folder is empty
this is the mods folder
digital jewel
can you screenshot your title screen when you start cp
twin swallow
you don't have hk installed in multiple drives (e.g. internal and an external hdd) do you
and it's opening the unmodded one even if you point steam to the modded one
I had this problem a few months back and removing the external drive install fixed it
hot osprey
i only have it on an external hardrive
and as i said, i checked the location of the mods multiple times just to be sure
digital jewel
the only explanation for this I can think of is that there's a copy of the game on an internal drive somewhere
an easy way to make sure would be to just add a txt file to the modded folder like you did with 1221
it should 100% launch the modded version from that exe if you do that
hot osprey
what do i put in the txt file?
and do you mean the "mods" folder or the "Hollow Knight" folder with the mods in it
digital jewel
yes
zinc cairn
How can i get permission to write in randomizer channel? I want to start with this because it looks like so much fun and i have few questions about it.
thorn jasper
?rank randomizer racer
sick ravenBOT
@thorn jasper, you left Randomizer Racer.
thorn jasper
?rank randomizer racer
sick ravenBOT
@thorn jasper, you joined Randomizer Racer.
thorn jasper
run that once
sick ravenBOT
@zinc cairn, you joined Randomizer Racer.
hollow kestrel
Finally finished my notes for the 112% run route. 10 pages from watching Valignatev's run and using the guide Fireb0rn shared.
Time to start grinding. Huge thanks to those two if they see anything, and to anyone who answered questions for me along the way!!!
hot osprey
Ok so someone suggested deleting modinstaller from %appdata% to completely reset it, but nothing is in there and I also seem to be missing a Team Cherry folder that was in there before. Is this a problem?
fathom ibex
Hello people, got a question, how much time saves in average Queen's Garden over Deepnest route in Any% NMG?
digital jewel
on average is a hard question to answer
it saves 40s at the highest level
however it's very very easy to lose time
it's unlikely that you'll save any time with it at all once you first learn the route
hot osprey
i uninstalled all of the mods, modinstaller, and then reinstalled them and nothing happened. i didnt end up finding modinstaller anywhere in appdata. this is a bummer, debug mod would be super useful right now, especially since im just starting out
thorn jasper
i uninstalled all of the mods, modinstaller, and then reinstalled them and nothi...
skimming through #archived-modding-help it looks like the issue was fixed?
hearty adder
Tfw you're on pb pace and the power goes out 
harsh mason
need a ups 
blazing kestrel
Do you guys have a tip on how to do fireball skips? It seems pretty hard to do, but I’d like to learn how
hearty adder
Use the Quick Cast button
limpid ruin
Quick cast button yep, and practice the turnaround -> fireball inputs mentally as well to mentally build the muscle memory
and also: never turn around before apex, instead turnaround after starting to fall a bit
otherwise just practicing to get the fb timings down is also helpful
hearty adder
Also practice the fireball timing by using debug and giving yourself infinite soul
violet frigate
hey
i need help
i wanna downgrade a game
but steamdepotdownloader just not doing it
can anyone hlep
limpid ruin
is it hollow knight?
violet frigate
no but i mean everything should work same
digital jewel
hmm
try to be a little less memey when you're asking a question about a totally different game
limpid ruin
do you have the depot manifest, own the game, and the account details are input correctly?
violet frigate
game is f2p
dotnet DepotDownloader.dll -app 397900 -depot 397901 -manifest 1982552566564377711 -username F** -password S****
this is the code that i made
digital jewel
remove your steam details
violet frigate
and dont worry about the password dude its like 654b1fg65bn984fg1684bn18fgn64186D65ASD4ASDDASDaa_dasDSADSADFLKNSFKDSFS
digital jewel
posting your username and password minus 3 characters is not safe
that's not a manifest of that depot
oh nvm I see it
violet frigate
?
digital jewel
do you have the game on your steam account?
digital jewel
does the depotdownloader give an error
violet frigate
no its just crashing without saying anything
i downloaded the microsoft thingie too
dotnet
can someone download that specified depot for me
digital jewel
yes
violet frigate
it got outdated
in the last update
and i tried this tool too
but at least it give error to me
digital jewel
it was recently updated
violet frigate
can u send the lastest version's link
digital jewel
it's in the guide
violet frigate
me while trying to download a steam depot
harsh mason
stfu
limpid ruin
please
digital jewel
@potent mountain can I get a little slap
digital jewel
potent mountain
i didnt slap him last time tho, now he knows
small magnet
Hey all, this might be more intuitive than I'm making it, but if I want to add a save file, do I just plop the folder in there or do I copy/paste the data files user1.dat, user2.dat etc.?
grizzled maple
the files themselves
small magnet
Gotcha, thanks!
limpid ruin
the files yep. The number is the slot you see it in ingame
small magnet
Oh, also very good to know, awesome!
sly fulcrum
?rank randomizer racer
sick ravenBOT
@sly fulcrum, you joined Randomizer Racer.
balmy widget
Hello! Is there any way to autosplit pantheons in Godseeker mode? I've been trying to time my P5 times but I'm incapable of setting the autosplitter right. However, doing some tests in usual runs (ie starting new file and reaching crossroads) I've had no problems. Thank you 😄
balmy widget
Will do, thanks !
topaz beacon
Does the guide on this page: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten still work for downpatching without DepotDownloader? I'm trying to figure out if I'm messing something up or if it's simply not possible in that way anymore.
digital jewel
yes it still works
topaz beacon
Hmm, ok. I was doing what it said but I couldn't even get the "Win+r" to do anything. I assume it's supposed to bring up a command window
digital jewel
topaz beacon
And when I do it myself I get this
digital jewel
did you run the steam patcher
topaz beacon
Yeah, the "SteamDepotDownpatcher.exe" file?
digital jewel
yes
digital jewel
@hidden fractal might be able to help
otherwise just use the depot downloader method I suppose
topaz beacon
Yeah, I was hoping to avoid that just because it sounds way more complicated. But there doesn't seem to be a ton of information for troubleshooting this problem out there.
hidden fractal
hidden fractal
I swear if steam updated again
topaz beacon
Lol so there's a chance I'm not the problem here?
digital jewel
true palm
hidden fractal
are you on the steam beta branch by any chance
topaz beacon
Maybe, yeah. Let me check
Yep, I was. Let me try again now.
Ayyy it's working
Thank you!
cinder bison
8hrs into practicing watcher knights finally killed #4 for the first time and got hit & died to the 5th right after
limpid ruin
That's great progress, metente
cinder bison
Yuhhh I’m at least killing 3 of them most of the time now.. 5 soon
rugged spire
yeah i just started speedrunning and the watcher knight are my nightmare
topaz beacon
I didn't think they were that hard in casual play but I'm just beginning to learn the route so I'm not sure what abilities I will and won't have at that point
Could make things messy
thorn jasper
optionally you could have 1 nail upgrade
topaz beacon
Ooh, yeah. The weak nail will definitely make that non-trivial
thorn jasper
super-optionally you could grab shade soul if you're on 1.2.2.1
topaz beacon
Shade soul would be pretty nice
sonic crane
I stopped doing nail 1 pretty quick because it just didn’t do much for me to actually make the fight easier
Most of the damage will still come from using the spells properly
topaz beacon
Side note, I think I'm finally through with the downloads and everything. Both the debug/save state version and the no-mod version run without issue
I had to do the 1.2.2.1 downpatch again because I'm a goofy goober and added the mods in before I made a backup. I wasn't sure about how it would affect run legitimacy so I just started the whole thing over
So yeah long story short I have 3 installs of HK right now, not sure if that's intended or not
thorn jasper
I have 4 installs
topaz beacon
debug for current patch is 4th or?
cinder bison
I thought they were hard in casual play too with all upgrades lol 
I’d say the hardest thing other than radiance for me
flat orbit
guys is PiscesFL's All Skills Tutorial still useful or is it outdated?
topaz beacon
They definitely weren't easy for me, but I will say I didn't really understand the hype around them
thorn jasper
guys is PiscesFL's All Skills Tutorial still useful or is it outdated?
useful
flat orbit
alright thanks
thorn jasper
debug for current patch is 4th or?
yeah
topaz beacon
Ahh, gotcha. For the moment I'm looking at just Any% NMG on 1.2.2.1, never done any speedruns before so HK is my intro to them. Probably will stream some practice tonight and learn some of the more basic tech. I've watched a couple runs before but this will be my first time actually performing any tricks
snow dome
For the people really struggling with bosses, I really, really recommend All Skills
The bosses are easy easier in that than they are in any%. You do have to fight Hornet 2, though. That's the main hard fight in the run
cold geyser
im doing all skills until im good enough to beat watcher knights
cinder bison
Finally beat WK for the first time! many many tries & the fight took about 3 min which I assume is pretty slow but finally at least beat them
limpid ruin
(hornet 2 learning is near wk level i swear 
)
(screw hornet 2 )
(thats probably bc i approached it poorly and was aggressive before i knew how to dogde 
)
cinder bison
That sounds scary.. had a lot of trouble w that in my casual play, the snow/ash/skin/whatever particles also made it rlly hard to see
limpid ruin
I remember emray summed up a great approach a while ago:
Step 1: Learn how to survive. Stay in the arena and literally dodge and nothing else for an hour if needed.
Step 2: Start actually fighting back until you can win the fight consistently even if slow.
Step 3: Start optimising for speed.
and NEVER skip a step
Learning efficiently makes everything both here and later easier
Although yea, the colours in that fight are so bad :/
You do have ddark tho, which is iframes and dmg 👀
thorn jasper
@real flame if you run ?rank Randomizer Racer you'll be given the role and can chat in #randomizer
oh wait I may have completely misread your question
limpid ruin
isnt speedrun racer a rank as well?
thorn jasper
it is!
grizzled maple
"?rank speedrun racer"
limpid ruin
but yea, probably good to add some more info to the question 
grizzled maple
if you wanna ask in those channels
real flame
?rank speedrun racer
sick ravenBOT
@real flame, you joined Speedrun Racer.
real flame
thx
knotty vigil
Just to ask, is there any known issue with massive frame drops (from constant 300, down to 1 while collecting vengance). I want to be able to speedrun the game, but there are some challenges when this happens.
thorn jasper
I've heard of lags when picking up vengeful spirit, but not that drastic
Does the frame rate go back up after?
knotty vigil
yeah, but it's frozen on that frame for a while. A big issue is the fight before vengful spirit, which also frame drops after you can break out, but I get hit due to being frozen for about 2-3 seconds
grizzled maple
the game freezing on staggers, hits, and collecting spells is just a thing that happens. alexxa would have her game freeze for like a whole 2-3 seconds on wraiths when she ran 106%
its mainly a 1221 (and older) thing. i think its better on cp
that was one of the big optimizations they did
haughty fossil
could maybe try the classic "clear registry and pray" tactic 
knotty vigil
well dang, I guess i'll have to learn to deal with that (I'll try the clean registry and pray tatic though 
). I also wanted to ask about a game mechanic with VS. I can't seem to fire it immediately after I press the button, and just wanted to check if that was by design. Skips are difficult for me to grasp atm b/c of that.
thorn jasper
use the quick cast button
grizzled maple
are you using quick cast?
knotty vigil
Well time to go practice that. Thank you all for the help! It's highly appreciated
thorn jasper
@ mods update channel description to be Use Quick Cast thx
twin swallow
when I pick up any spell on 1221 my game freezes for 4 seconds (:
snow dome
I'm pretty sure it's a feature not a bug
sonic crane
water break
twin swallow
would be nice if my timer didn't keep running
grizzled maple
yeah that was the same reason alexxa complained about it and i brought her up
i have a pretty decent pc and it still freezes for a second or more depending
just 1221 things 
trim ferry
Average players speeed racing rn, anyone want to jioin?
mild gate
whats that
tame nexus
does anybody know where i can find the route for sppedrunning?
mild gate
look it up
steady lynx
speedrun dot com, pins
mild gate
are you doing a real speedrun or the 5 hour one?
steady lynx
Ask Gwonkee, he has the fastest speedrun in the world
tame nexus
how do i get his discord?
haughty fossil
Ask Gwonkee, he has the fastest speedrun in the world
lacking in feelspkman
haughty fossil
does anybody know where i can find the route for sppedrunning?
routes for any% and all skills are linked in the pins
tame nexus
Sweet thabks
azure gazelle
?rank Randomizer Racer
sick ravenBOT
@azure gazelle, you joined Randomizer Racer.
versed scroll
normal ember
anyone know how to tell if hollow knight is going to scream?
short spire
when you do the fight enough you'll know when you've dealt approximately enough damage, and then he'll kinda do a short pause before the scream
normal ember
so its not counting hits the entire fight?
short spire
if your brain is large enough to hold that much information you could technically do that i suppose
raven holly
you could try to keep track of how much damage you are doing to him, but that would be pretty hard to do
short spire
when you've done the fight enough times you'll just know
grizzled maple
Honestly most bosses I go by the music because dps is usually consistent
Like if I hear a weird part i know I done hecked and im losing a ton of time
stiff delta
Real gamers go slow on purpose to hear the music
raven holly
Yeah after you fight bosses enough you'll get a good feel for how much damage you've dealt to them with nail hits and spells and how close they are to dying/next phase
Not very helpful to start out, but you just kinda get there. It isn't something to worry too much about early on.
short spire
yeah don't worry too much about getting the scream skip when learning the fight, it'll get a lot easier to go for with more experience
mild musk
Whoo I did shade skip for the first time
cinder bison
Are WK different at all between 1221 and cp?
sturdy drum
yes
I'd defer to literally anyone else to explain how though
short spire
on cp they cant roll from offscreen from what ive heard
uneven scarab
most people also have more spells on cp
if they're playing casually that is
usually
digital jewel
Fireballs also don't deal damage off screen on cp
haughty fossil
on cp they don't fakebounce anywhere near as much as 1221
frail beacon
when it came to doing your first run, with you practice in segments or just the whole thing and learn more and more advanced strats?
fireball skip im not to worried about, as i have started to incorperate them into my randos. Acid and Shade skips (salabura to Blue Lake) have me the most concerned
torpid pollen
shade skip shouldnt be too bad
frail beacon
i know you have to take damage then parry/poggo it to get there
torpid pollen
you die
frail beacon
(for reference im doing Switch - TE)
haughty fossil
honestly i'd just recommend biting the bullet and practicing te shade skip, the setup is relatively consistent
on the plus side, since the bench is right there it's one of the easier skips to practice on console
azure bobcat
I just attempted my first Any% NMG Speedrun and got 2 hours and 54 minutes
Is that good for a first attempt?
wispy mulch
jagged vault
It’s good if you’re proud of it!
sturdy bay
Been running some any% (now that my time is getting decent I'm gonna work on recording to submit) but i've been wondering about the livesplit format, the guide I used said to set a detailed timer to game time, it doesn't show up as the big satisfying one with the colors and its bothering me lol. I'm pretty sure its the main one so I was wondering if others could show me their layout
a quick part two btw, anyone know how to fix their splits? I accidently saved the best segments from a good run I choked and I didn't want to save those segments, dunno what to do to put it back
haughty fossil
you can open the splits file and delete the most recent runs if you'd like (but generally if you've got best segments legit you should probably keep them)
all you need for valid is a timer comparing to game time and maybe some splits, but here is my layout for reference
detailed timer is game time, timer below is real time (unnecessary but makes submitting pbs slightly easier)
sturdy bay
alright thank you, one last question. This one is any% related, the guide I used has a route you can take to pick up a nail upgrade, I was wondering if anyone knew if that was actually viable for a run or if it's just to make it easier
haughty fossil
its not viable for competitive runs
sturdy bay
got it (:
sonic crane
It’s awkward because you have to sell to lemm twice, unless you do nail upgrade after wk
sturdy bay
the route I took was to get a journal near mantis claw, other stuff into gorgeous husk, run and grab upgrade, then go do watcher knights
I had enough cash that I just sold the extra journal with the first sale to Lemm
sonic crane
Oh right
sturdy bay
so I could afford station plus lantern
but if it's slow im not gonna do any of that anymore lol
sonic crane
Yeah it’s been a while since I did it, I abandoned it pretty quick
sturdy bay
I haven't recorded but this was only my second full run, so I wanted to knock out the question while I still could
wispy dune
you can like pogo on explodey orang gas thing is this useful? 😳
sonic crane
yes, its used in speedruns
sturdy bay
I don't do explosion pogo but I've seen the setup, seems to be the fast strat
digital jewel
If you're doing nail1 route, don't sell to lemm twice
Go once on your way to get nail upgrade and then go straight to King's station after watcher knights. There's another hallownest seal in the big room above and to the left of lemm so you don't need to sell the wk seal.
Rest at the bench on watchers spire on your way up and quitout back there after nail1
burnt grove
Fireballs also don't deal damage off screen on cp
Welp, time to practice watcher knights again
blissful axle
How do i get acess to any% nmg?
bitter moat
What do you mean with access
blissful axle
It means write in there
bitter moat
Ah you mean the speedrunner role. You can get it after having a run on the src.com leaderboard
Fastest way to get it is probably doing an IL
hushed island
Could I have the speedrunner role plz
potent mountain
sure @hushed island i got you since @digital jewel cannot perform his oathly duties
fuck
hushed island
Thanks!
simple ice
Apparently you can use dark gates to store dash slashes, can't really think of a use for it
https://streamable.com/4vpcm4
digital jewel
dash slash storage on cp lol?
simple ice
this is 1.2.2.1, but it should probably work on cp as well
you can do the inv method on cp as well
potent mountain
you want me to play too?
normal ember
what do I set as my final split in the auto splitter?
normal ember
so if I have the hollow knight kill as a split I need a split after that?
digital jewel
there isn't a hollow knight kill split
normal ember
guess I chose the dream nail one oof
digital jewel
that's for dream nailing hk to enter the radiance fight
leaden python
you can also store dash slash from pickups. Like from ddark or wraiths or wings
frail beacon
honestly i'd just recommend biting the bullet and practicing te shade skip, the ...
thats what i was kind of wanting to do anyway
snow dome
guess I chose the dream nail one oof
Your last split on the auto split settings will be whatever comes before Hollow Knight, nothing to do with HK itself.
grizzled maple
all natural endings act as splits on their own
normal ember
sub hour but very sloppy first run lol
snow dome
Horizontal splits gang are coming up strong today
vocal dove
do y'all submit runs every time you PB or do you wait to reach specific goals?
grizzled maple
people do both
normal ember
id just do it for every Pb
snow dome
I've only not submitted once
grizzled maple
src tracks obsolete runs so its up to you if you want your whole progression on your history or just the runs that made your mental cut
vocal dove
that's cool i didn't know that! i think i'll wait for sub 1 to submit because i'm at 1:00:23 right now
grizzled maple
lmao i just checked the board and not a single run except console are my actual pbs
i am so bad at submitting
normal ember
anyone have that sheet with the language picture stored somewhere
grizzled maple
for any% yeah its under a minute. it really starts to add up in categories that talk to both lemm and seer
106 and 112 sell to lemm minimum 3 times on top of all seer dialogue so its quite a bit of time saved
thorn jasper
anyone have that sheet with the language picture stored somewhere
the pins of this channel?
sonic crane
helma delka
thorn jasper
i am so bad at submitting
stop being BAD at submitting, and be DAB at submitting 
normal ember
leaden python
lol em that's why I never excited about bopping you on the boards. Because I'm like 90% sure the boards have your 10 years old pb
grizzled maple
they arent too far off honestly. just checked 106 and 112 and its 2:37:50 and 3:29:29 respectively
i also have a 54:54 in all skills and a 1:15:43 in TE both that i just never submitted at all lol
the all skills one was just never recorded. i wouldve been happy with that honestly
leaden python
yeah, not too far off but still sad that it's not an actual pb on the leaderboard. If you entered the tourney, you will definitely pb during the race
grizzled maple
still debating joining anonymously. just i wanna run ds3 
leaden python
that feeling when you're racing against anon1234 and you get destroyed although I definitely don't see anything bad about joining as anon
grizzled maple
idk how the anon thing works honestly. i just dont want to put info into the site, and insomnia said you could join without it
like maybe it would still show my name? i just wouldnt need an account maybe?
leaden python
ah, yeah, I think insomnia can add people as anons
short spire
simply do this em
put ax2u in every box where it allows you to type
works every time
thorn jasper
if em does that there will be two Ax2us
grizzled maple
you misspelled sweden
haughty fossil
anyone have that sheet with the language picture stored somewhere
what's chinese, i only know 2 left of english
carmine yew
Em I can put you in anonymously so that it requires literally just a name, so I’d put Emray in that case
If you go on the attendee list you can see Paum as an example
grizzled maple
i just don't know if i want to yet which is why i havent said anything. im leaning towards not because i dont really want to run hk right now
digital jewel
don't force yourself to take part
taking a break seems like a good idea and dark souls 3 is a great game
leaden python
kinda same tbh. I am preparing for the tourney but I still don't know if I will actually participate cuz February will be pretty wild for me. I guess I can sign up and then just disqualify myself if I can't race but idk
rugged spire
any tips for any% watcher knights, just cant beat em
grizzled maple
narrow crater
how do you do inventory storage double jump? I need it to get to the lever that opens up resting grounds from below.
short spire
cant you lure the flying guy from the right
carmine yew
^
haughty fossil
yes
narrow crater
well yes but I'm tryna go fast
grizzled maple
did you do clawless dashless shade skip or something?
if so then the flying guy is your best option. also you can hit this particular lever through the floor if youre just trying to open it
narrow crater
im doing any% AG
digital jewel
narrow crater
oh yea sorry
grizzled maple
yeah this sounded like rando or a challenge run lol
short spire
also you probably wanna watch the rekky to learn from
sorry xero ill repay you for the .05 youtube bucks lost
grizzled maple
thats a very generous estimate
narrow crater
so when you mash the map button to phase through the water, you jump to not hard fall, then you go into the next room and exiting the inventory lets you double jump?
I was watching the wr first, but I couldn't figure out how they did the bench thingy in dirtmouth at the very beginning
digital jewel
yes that's it
narrow crater
in your run you exit the game right on the cliff of kings pass (after the 13 hit big door), inoki and kry exit in dirtmouth right before the bench in dirtmouth and do MMS, and suddenly they are in dirtmouth but not resting on the bench.
idk if i explained that right
digital jewel
oh yeah I see what you mean
if you select a file with the left and right mouse buttons at the same time, your character gets off the bench in the load
it's weird and not necessary to the trick
just a bit faster
digital jewel
my PB does a different overall route that's slower
I use a save that's at the leaving king's pass hardsave to get vengeful spirit
short spire
if you select a file with the left and right mouse buttons at the same time, you...
is this an mms exclusive thing or can you do it on any quitout
narrow crater
okay that makes sense because when I load the save when I enter the loadzone past corny its like kings pass and ancestral mound combined
digital jewel
exactly
I think the route I do will be easier to follow especially since I can give advice on it
but it is slower
narrow crater
yea its a lot of offscreen stuff so I'm glad you guys have input displays
digital jewel
works without mms on 1028 ax
short spire
can you get it on 1221
digital jewel
I'm trying now
short spire
i tried a couple times but couldnt but maybe im doing something wrong
narrow crater
oh also how were you able to use A for jump without selecting saves in the menu, I rebound mine to RB and it seems to work
digital jewel
oh ok so
I'm using a controller but not as a controller in hk
I use a program called AntiMicro to make my controller simulate keyboard inputs
that way I can keep my normal binds but without selecting things in menu
since on keyboard select and exit are hard bound to enter and esc, so just pressing your jump key does nothing
huh yeah it works on 1221
short spire
so is this for nmg something that needs to be discussed?
narrow crater
that great Ill download it
digital jewel
doesn't work on 1432
limpid ruin
It sounds like it could potentially cause some big stuff, if the scenes load slower than you get control
also invis control potential
narrow crater
can you start moving during the load?
digital jewel
maybe I explained it poorly. it's more like you load in at the same time as normal, you're just off the bench already so skip that animation
I don't think any movement happens during the load
leaden python
I can't get it. Do you just select the save file by clicking with both buttons?
digital jewel
it's releasing both at the same time
limpid ruin
so hold both until the input is available?
digital jewel
I have this script for mouse clicks on b and n since I found the trick too hard on actual mouse buttons
leaden python
yeah got it right after asking lol. It's pretty damn tight
digital jewel
yeah it is tight
limpid ruin
finally my stardew fishing experience can come in handy
short spire
dang yeah i managed to get it with the rebind too
it doesnt break any current nmg rules does it
leaden python
antiblue.exe incoming
I can't believe Xero was hoarding on all this knowledge for years
limpid ruin
Why is it hard?
leaden python
and like casually dropped it "didn't you guys know it"?
short spire
i think he just didnt want to go through another #srcom-discussion argument 
leaden python
yeah same with inventory dropping into wings 😠
limpid ruin
I mean it literally just sounds like early control to me?
short spire
the double input is frame perfect right
leaden python
I would guess so
digital jewel
yeah I think so
leaden python
but it's easy on kb
digital jewel
well I guess it can't be true frame perfect
leaden python
I'm a bit excited but not in any way surprised
ionic sparrow
and it was stupid back then
leaden python
mine is 250 fps and seems pretty consistent
digital jewel
exactly
limpid ruin
I'm guessing physics frames bc hk input handling
digital jewel
🥴
don't get your hopes up though
I doubt many people want frame perfect inputs that save like 5s or something once you have dash
short spire
yeah it does feel a bit out of place for nmg
limpid ruin
But I literally already have a pb going here
leaden python
so is that another shady thing everybody will know about but nobody will mention it
I guess the main argument against it is that it will be omega annoying to lose the run at high level because you missed the inputs
like the opposite of fun
limpid ruin
with the precedent of all the other early controls allowed 
short spire
yeah even if it doesn't lead to anything that glitchy, a frame perfect menuing glitch doesn't seem too popular for nmg
leaden python
yeah sounds shady. Like anything that involves menu, map or inventory is 
by default
short spire
yeah for sure
leaden python
cough cough dash slash storage
snow dome
Except menu drops
short spire
shhhh
sonic crane
cough cough inv drop
digital jewel
@tough breach did we already make a decision about double click early control on benches and I just forgot it?
tough breach
like for if it's nmg?
short spire
if you did it certainly wasnt a community decision
digital jewel
ya
tough breach
it's so easy to get bench storage with it
don't think it really makes sense to use in nmg
digital jewel
I couldn't get bench storage when I tried it on 1221
snow dome
It is easy to get invisible control with the Nail Master glitch at King's Brand, but it's still allowed if you don't.
stuck compass
How do you do explosion pogo on the current patch?
haughty fossil
stuck compass
ok thanks
knotty vigil
33:08 pb
digital jewel
damn nice troll dude
twin swallow
maybe it was a king's pass IL time
flat hamlet
I'm watching the current wr nmg current patch run to try and start learning the route
In one of the early rooms in Crossroads you get locked in a room withsome enemies and you have to kill them all
But the runner just jumps to the top left and swings, and the enemies all just... die?
what's happening there?
haughty fossil
they hit a spike
digital jewel
there's a stalagmite that hangs from the ceiling there
you can hit it to redirect it into the enemies as it falls down
flat hamlet
Wow, ok
It happened so fast I just missed it
Is that an rng thing or is it consistent?
twin swallow
the timing is consistent and somewhat lenient on current patch
narrow crater
I somehow inspected the lore tablet mid-superslide.
twin swallow
occasionally the flying enemies will spawn at very different times to each other and it can be hard to hit both of them
but if you jump from the lower platform as soon as they start to appear, and then hit the falling spike as it gains a hitbox, you should get it fairly consistently
flat hamlet
The fastest language is chinese, right?
twin swallow
yup
if you're running any%, all you really need to know is that Yes/Accept is the option on the left, and each time you take a stag it's one station below the one you're currently at
flat hamlet
How strict is the timing on the vengefly kill?
digital jewel
vengefly king?
flat hamlet
Yeah, the one who has zote
digital jewel
it's fairly tight
the quick kill has to be done close to perfectly to avoid being hit and so that all the geo lands on the big platform
median mauve
Is elegy% just dead?
zenith sorrel
most meme categories are
jagged vault
most meme categories aren't that actively run
digital jewel
what do you mean dead?
median mauve
Like no one has uploaded a run in 2 months save me
Yeah but 4 mask shards is getting a lotta talk in #misc-runs-nmg
I’m not bitter, I just wish more people would save the grubs 😔
zenith sorrel
why don't you do it 👀
digital jewel
2 months isn't that long maybe that's just me
twin swallow
4MS is a good entry point for new people because it's super short and easy to route (you never leave crossroads)
leaden python
yeah two months is just fine. There are main categories that might stay dead for even longer. And then they suddenly explode in popularity. And then die again. The only consistent ones are any% and all skills (although a bit less consistent, there was a period during which AS was pretty much dead too)
median mauve
Fair enough, my b
leaden python
nah, you're fine, we're not super metroid or SM64 after all, this community is quite smaller
although steadily growing
flat hamlet
I just want to play more Hollow KNight
ANd I've done pretty much everything already
so speedrunning's how I'm getting more of the game
median mauve
^^^
leaden python
yeah, speedruns are a perfect way of getting more out of the game
median mauve
Which category?
twin swallow
randomizer is an excellent timesink too
flat hamlet
I'm learning any percent current patch
median mauve
Oh cool, any reason you picked that over 1.2.2.1 or another category?
flat hamlet
Simple. I only have the game on Playstation and any% is kind of the main category
median mauve
Good luck!
flat hamlet
Thanks
sturdy totem
Hey speed runners. Sorry for the question that has probably been asked a million times.
What's the route for 100% under 20h speedrun achievement?
And can I do it off the back of the 5h achievement save?
haughty fossil
pins
uneven scarab
pins
digital jewel
this section of the server is for speedrunning leaderboards, so stuff relevant to the achievements isn't really important to us
it's only pinned here because people come here often to ask about them
limpid ruin
3 things:
Use quick cast, not focus.
Never turn around before youre at the apex (top) of your jump, usually after that even.
Practice the timing of casting with debug and infinite soul.
Bonus tip: practice the inputs in your head, without even playing the game necessarily.
flat hamlet
How should you practice on console?
twin swallow
if you have a completed game save, soul eater+catcher and spell twister will let you cast and refill soul quickly from birds in the previous room
steady lynx
I really have no idea, I just started doing runs and it kinda worked out over time
flat hamlet
Lol my casual save has 80 hours on it
flat hamlet
Missing geo when I arrive at the Crossroads Stag, what geo sources am I supposed to hit?
steady lynx
Which category?
flat hamlet
Console nmg any%
steady lynx
For any% you unlock it after Claw
digital jewel
both elder baldurs and vengefly king
short spire
it should be physically impossible to not have money at the stag
digital jewel
those are the big sources
steady lynx
Unless you do VS2 strats
digital jewel
especially on current patch
flat hamlet
I forget enemy names
short spire
are you trying to buy it during the vengeful spirit split?
flat hamlet
Yes, I'm stupid
steady lynx
Baldur, Baldur, Moss Knight, VK
short spire
ok yea youre supposed to just grab it before gruz mother
steady lynx
That's already like 205 geo
cinder bison
just finished my first attempt/run, died & messed up a lot but just went all the way thru it 
any% nmg on current patch, time was 1:03:53
flat hamlet
I'm currently doing a casual playthrough where I try some speedrun strats
carmine yew
Shoutout herrah split
flat hamlet
Just learning the route
cinder bison
thanks! 
& thanks for all the advice everyone
flat hamlet
I'm literally just going to practice the fireball jump for the next hour or something until I get it
flat hamlet
I'm not gaining any distance off of my fireballs, I'm going the same amount of distance to the right when I turn around to fire
digital jewel
that's because you're not turning around and fireballing immediately
short spire
fire sooner
uneven scarab
Ye, it’s like that for the first little while.
flat hamlet
I'm taking a break, been practicing a while now
fading fern
My hand is just not working properly tonight <..< I just can't do this skip, it's like my brain forgot how to do it
Slams head on desk
flat hamlet
What is the skip?
uneven scarab
You pogo on the spikes, dash and land on the left platform. U then cdash to the right, skipping waterways entirely.
flat hamlet
I'd have to see it, I guess
twin swallow
are you hitting the spikes at the top or the bottom
you need to pogo from quite low down, the hitbox on the spikes is deceptively low
and then dash as soon as possible to avoid gaining too much height
uneven scarab
https://youtu.be/9XpSyK76eyQ Something like this, just without dashmaster. Not how you actually do it tho.
flat hamlet
THATS SO SICK
uneven scarab
Here’s the most common method in speedruns
flat hamlet
How strict is the dash timing?
steady lynx
Not too strict, you have like 2-3 physics frames in my experience
uneven scarab
Whoops here it is: https://youtu.be/_85a0_yXHPs
steady lynx
I just do like 10 to 20 before I start doing runs for a day so I got it down
lucid stirrup
How strict is the dash timing?
usually you can just press it instantly after pogo and trust your hands, should work everytime
steady lynx
I had it kill two runs in a day for me once because I was peepo, never again
knotty vigil
the dash timing is pretty generous, the pogo timing is the hard part
you can basically dash as soon as you pogo
steady lynx
Does the dash buffer if you press them at the same time?
normal aspen
Idk. The timing is way harder on 1221 imo tho
lucid stirrup
ppl say that so its probably true, but i dont notice a diff on 1221
snow dome
It felt like I was pressing Dash and not getting the dash a lot for me
lucid stirrup
and hitting the ceiling or floor?
twin swallow
idk if I found it harder or if it was just the timing feeling different
normal aspen
It's just different yeah
short spire
probably just cause all inputs are easier on cp
cause it runs slightly less like garbage
normal aspen
Esp coz spikes give me frame drops on 1221
zenith sorrel
yeah I have to do it way earlier on 1221
and the actual window is smaller since if you do it earlier you also bonk in the upper spikes earlier
fading fern
aaaaaa okay I'm done with the salty practice for tonight
I've been hitting the lower spikes a lot
Idk if it's my controller but sometimes it feels like the pogo is just not pogo-ing
or my timing was just messed up tonight
The better news are: I've learned how to properly go through the Crystal Peak dark room + got faster with NKG
dull birch
I DID IT
I finally completed a run!!
It's not a good run, in any way shape or form, I messed almost everything up, BUT, I actually completed it
I had some real weird issues with my controls sticking though? Made me mess a lot of things upo
I even died to HK lmao 
thorn jasper
still sub 1:30, that's great!
dull birch
yuh! My only goal was to actually complete it
I got first try hornet 2, so im happy lol
fading fern
Good on ya! Hornet 2 is definitely not the easiest of fights
dull birch
Thank! Anyone else encounter the inputs kind of sticking though?
i never had that issue with the practice mod
fading fern
Sticking?
knotty vigil
oh wait theres a speedrun channel
dull birch
I'm not sure how to describe it.
Like I'd press a button, and it's like the buttons are sticky, like I'd look up, but even when I'd stop holding up, the knight would still be looking up
again, not an issue i have on the practice mod, so wondering if anyone has encountered it before while playing
fading fern
I haven't had stuff like, more stuff like "I was clearly holding RIGHT to use fireball but somehow I'm using DIVE I guess"
knotty vigil
im just gonna speedrun in general 2
hornet1%
steady lynx
Aluba% without Aluba
dull birch
also, when using crystal dash, when I let go of the button, sometimes it will take a few seconds to actually go, it will get stuck in the charge animation
fading fern
Okay that's actually very weird
haughty fossil
are you on controller?
fading fern
Yeah it totally shouldn't do that
dull birch
yup
haughty fossil
my old controller had busted membrane on the buttons and took ages for a to unpress
dull birch
again, i dont have these issues in the practice mod
haughty fossil
what's your fps like on 1221 vanilla?
dull birch
aaaaaaah, i dont know lol
I'd have to check, it seems fine, I dont get frame drops
but i dont know the exact fps
fading fern
I think you can turn on the FPS on Steam so it will show up?
dull birch
hm, i can apparently turn the fps viewer on my video card, so ill do that tomorrow to check it out
haughty fossil
if you're using steam, you can use steam overlay settings (open steam overlay settings, In-Game > Show Fps)
dull birch
Ah gotcha. I'll give it a look tomorrow, see if that's what's causing the issues
but, ill activate it now because I 100% will forget to do so if i dont lol
cinder bison
omggg sub hour also saw menderbug for the first time ever
btw does anyone have recommendations for a recording program for low spec computers
normal aspen
Obs is pretty lightweight
steady lynx
Just leave it there, as a relic
molten dust
ill leav it there so for that the next time he comes by, he will loev t :)
steady lynx
Oh, I hope he doesn't come by
molten dust
dont worry he only des it every 2 months
steady lynx
Does he look up every usage of his name? 
molten dust
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ionic sparrow
yes
uneven scarab
alarming
mystic forum
Hi everyone. I’m having trouble down patching on pc. I’m trying to follow fireborns setup guide but when I enter the download_depot code for 1.2.2.1 it says manifest not available. Can anyone help please and thank you!
Nvm I’m a huge dumbass and didn’t see the (OUTDATED) part 😦
wheat orbit
I'm trying to do the crystal peak beam room but I feel like I arrive at the laser I'm supposed to damage tank too early
hot cradle
does anyone use WASD? if so I was wondering what keys you preferred for your other inputs
stray kestrel
i use wasd
I have J as nail, K as quick cast, L as dash, ; as jump, U as dnail, I as focus and H as crystal dash
also Lshift as inventory and Space as quick map
normal aspen
i use wasd and have k l ; ' as nail jump dash quick cast, smace as dnail, , as cdash, shift as focus
ax does the same
hot cradle
okay awesome! thank you all so much!
timber ice
I'm new to this and am only really doing speedrunning to get the achievement and i'm just wondering, is there any possible skip for watcher knights? they're definitely gonna be a run killer for me
torpid pollen
no there isnt a skip
timber ice
damn. I guess i'll just have to practice in godhome.
torpid pollen
supposedly godhome fights are a lot different than their base game counterparts
but its probably close enough for you
?srpsa
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torpid pollen
this right
timber ice
Yeah. Thanks for the guide link 👍
narrow crater
well, there is a skip
deft wing
Hello, I want to start speedrunning switch any%. How do i record my switch in a good way. Can you just record with a camera on the screen?
limpid ruin
as long as you have game audio present and its watchable, recording the screen is good enough yee
deft wing
Okey, thanks!
chrome bramble
ok im practicing VS skip but when i VS i get to low and dont make it i would use squit skip but im trying to use faster strats
mild gate
damn. I guess i'll just have to practice in godhome.
else you can download the debug mod and make a savestate
thats what im doing atm
rugged crow
ok im practicing VS skip but when i VS i get to low and dont make it i would use...
are you using quick cast or focus? its a lot harder to do the trick if you're using focus.
narrow crater
Any% AG question: How does WR do the bench float without having the map open ~5:37? Is there a timing to when you hold jump during the load?
dry sluice
its been ages since I ran but yeah iirc its just a timing thing
you might also have to do the save file double click thing
where you input with both mouse buttons at the same time to have control earlier
chrome bramble
are you using quick cast or focus? its a lot harder to do the trick if you're us...
Quick cast
dull birch
Out of curiosity, what's the general time it takes for run verification? I'm assuming a week or so, depending the schedule of those who verify it?
torpid pollen
0 days to 3 weeks
formal bough
Believe it's been less than an hour before because an srcom mod watched the run live or smth, so it can go fast or slow
Often the mods just take like a dozen runs and do them in one sitting I've heard so whenever they get around to it
dull birch
Okie dokie! Thanks 
grizzled maple
it 100% depends on the mod
dull birch
Understandable, different schedules and all. I've never submitted one before last night so was just curious :)
twin swallow
Runs for short category extensions and ILs might also get checked faster than full game runs for example
lucid stirrup
yeah my last pb took 5 days, the one before that was like 3 hours. either way they get it done pretty fast
dense hinge
i heard gdq has been slowing things down lately as well
low trellis
Guys, what is the lowest quality of video that can be provided as a proof?(Any% NMG Current Patch)
formal bough
as long as it is clear what is happening I think it should be fine
torpid pollen
yeah
low trellis
144p 30 fps is normal??????
dull birch
As long as it's clear and you have audio I believe
low trellis
hmmm
leaden python
if if it's watchable and the timer is visible, and the audio is audible you're fine
torpid pollen
"pay to play"
limpid ruin
144p might fall outside of the "watchable" spectrum yea