speedrunning

[grizzled maple]

yes blue role is for verified runs

[cold pelican]

oh is that the same role as you need to post in #randomizer

[grizzled maple]

if you want rando do "?rank randomizer racer"

[cold pelican]

oh!!

[grizzled maple]

speedrunner isnt required but it does give access without the other role.

[flat hamlet]

I've heard stuff about things being version dependent, will I need to use a different route?

[hearty adder]

Since console is current patch-only, you'll have to use the cp route

[rugged crow]

all consoles are on the most recent patch of the game, so you're going to be following the current patch or cp route under guides

[flat hamlet]

ok, thanks

How significant are the changes to the route?

[hearty adder]

Depends on what category you're interested in

[flat hamlet]

Either all skills NMG or any% nmg

[hearty adder]

for example, any% is basically the same, All Skills is very different iirc

[grizzled maple]

all skills pc 1221 uses the most lever skips of any category so the route is pretty dramatically different

[short spire]

is true end route affected

[grizzled maple]

any% is basically the same

nope not even a little

[hearty adder]

The biggest difference in cp any% nmg is that since you can't use lever skip you have to fight the big guy

[grizzled maple]

other than like, uumuu one cycle i guess

[short spire]

yea cool, figured as much

[knotty vigil]

the shade soul lever is the biggest sequence break

[rose girder]

im sorry (this is off topic) but i cant post in #randomizer, can i ask anyone which randomizer preset is best to start with?

[neon island]

You can post in #randomizer

You just need to do this...

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@neon island, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[rose girder]

ohhhh

[neon island]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@neon island, you left Randomizer Racer.

[rose girder]

thank you so much, im not very smart 😭

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

@rose girder, you joined Randomizer Racer.

[flat hamlet]

Greenpath Skip is available in current patch yeah?

[hearty adder]

Yes

[twin swallow]

if you mean the fireball skips, yes, they are all possible

[hearty adder]

Except for the one shot baldur

fireball skips are all still possible

[flat hamlet]

I've tried the trick before, I've never gotten it to work...

[hearty adder]

Do you use the quick cast button?

[flat hamlet]

IDK what that is

that may be why

[uneven scarab]

It’s too slow if you’re using the focus button to cast

[hearty adder]

The right shoulder button lets you cast spells on like the 1st frame iirc

[twin swallow]

quick cast works on button press

[uneven scarab]

Check your controls, there should be an option to map it

[twin swallow]

focus casts on button release

[flat hamlet]

Do I just use the dpad for the movement

[grizzled maple]

whatever is comfortable to you

there are top runners who main analog and dpad

[flat hamlet]

I used Joystick for my casual run of the game, but I had just a few issues when I did that

it wouldn't be hard to transition to dpad, so I think I'll just do that

[grizzled maple]

i once had top 3 in pc 112% exclusively using analog if that makes you feel any better

i only really use dpad for direct 4 angle movement such as charm menus

theres no real difference in input methods so just do you

[flat hamlet]

damn there's a lot i to learn lol

[hearty adder]

That's another reason why HK is a very beginner-friendly speed game, you can use any control method you like

[flat hamlet]

I'm just going through the guide and watching the strats rn

[marble sparrow]

can someone help me? i want to use a procon for 1.2.2.1 but i cant remember the name of the app to modify the inputs so its like an xbox

[grizzled maple]

joy2key maybe?

[marble sparrow]

ill try it thx

[digital jewel]

joy2key and antimicro both work well I think

[reef compass]

are you allowed to listen to (royalty-free) music while running?

[hearty adder]

As long as in-game audio can still be heard in the video

[reef compass]

ah okay

[chrome bramble]

I finnaly got 1 damegless epogo

on 30 fps with joycon drift and yes im to poor to afford a pro controller

[marble sparrow]

cool

well i tried betterjoy cuz i wanted to use the joystick but its so bugged

[chrome bramble]

Whats better joy

[marble sparrow]

its an app to take the procontroller inputs and read them as xbox inputs

so you emulate a xbox controller for 1.2.2.1 with a procontroller

[chrome bramble]

whats the point pro controller and xbox have the same layout

[marble sparrow]

the size its different

and i find more comfortable the pro con and i only have a procon

[chrome bramble]

But you still use the pro con

So it doesnt change

[hearty adder]

1221 is not compatible with the switch pro controller

[marble sparrow]

but procon cant be used 1.2.2.1

[chrome bramble]

oh

[hearty adder]

So you have to circumvent it

[limpid ruin]

joy2key and antimicro both work well I think
on the topic, right above

thank yall for asking when wondering and others for answering i am only mildly confused and tired

[marble sparrow]

does antimicro mess with the procon when im using it with the switch?

[balmy scarab]

you can use the pro con in 1.2.2.1

im using one

[marble sparrow]

how?

[balmy scarab]

have you added 1.2.2.1 to steam?

[marble sparrow]

yes

[balmy scarab]

if you open the exe with out steam it works

[marble sparrow]

huh

[balmy scarab]

does it work?

its like magic

[marble sparrow]

just the joystick

[balmy scarab]

mine works fully when i did that

[marble sparrow]

thats cool

but mine doesnt do it

[balmy scarab]

mmmmm...

wel then use joy2key

[mild gate]

where should i ask for obs stuff

cuz my obs aint picking up HK audio

[grizzled maple]

this could be a range of things. first thing i need you to do is switch audio captures. what that means is select the wrong one, then switch back to the right one to reset it

you cant switch default while obs is open without correcting the capture itself again

so like if you plug in headphones while its open, it breaks

[mild gate]

confusion

ok now its detecting ALL sound on my pc, do you know how i can make it so its only the game?

[grizzled maple]

theres no way to do that by default. you need a program like voicemeeter to do that

[mild gate]

ahhh

okay ty!

[vague cypress]

How exactly do you do the watcher knight skip (the easiest way) I am not trying to save time in a speed run I am trying to just wrap my head around the whole oob stuff and how to do it

[stuck raptor]

the easiest way is to set a dream gate in their room and TP to it.

[charred sigil]

oh are you talking about Any% NMMS?

[vague cypress]

No I am talking about the all glitches any%

[charred sigil]

por favor

[vague cypress]

Ok wait I just did it after I watched a video of someone doing

It

[charred sigil]

ah

[digital jewel]

did I just get pinged

[dry sluice]

yeah same

[vague cypress]

Oh hey

Wait

[dry sluice]

any% ag uses a room dupe and a wrong warp and then some fuckery with unloading rooms for the WK skip

most categories do a much more simple version

TE AG is probably easiest

yeah

doesn't have access to the fast skips cause current patch

[charred sigil]

I ping then delete,

[dry sluice]

questionable

[hearty adder]

Managed to do 3 cycle uumuu for the first time in practice and my mind has been expanded

[strong summit]

man i see like only pc runs in current patch nmg then theres me who it trying to get sub 1 on switch

like my current pb is 1:45 since im bad at bosses and the skip to queens gardens

[dry sluice]

Console runs have seperate boards which is why you're only seeing PC

[strong summit]

ah ok

[twin swallow]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight#Console_Runs

[short spire]

so your name is fox but your avatar is a red panda

which one is it???

[primal ivy]

is joy2key allowed for runs? I don't have an xbox controller to replace my switch pro

[grizzled maple]

yep

[primal ivy]

thanks

[sweet escarp]

Is ds4 allowed for runs? The program itself, I mean

[grizzled maple]

the only thing that's banned is anything that would give some sort of advantage

people run with any kind of controller you can imagine

[sweet escarp]

I see, thanks

[cosmic shuttle]

any% watcherknights are not possible all your runs are fake

ALL OF THEM

[twin swallow]

how did you know

[cosmic shuttle]

I am the best hollow knight player

and yet i cannot do it

= it cannot be done

[zenith sorrel]

truly unfortunate

when are we clearing the any% leaderboards

[digital jewel]

there aint no way to consistently do this without any i frames because no movement can prevent them from rolling straight forward to separate and then both using bounce (or one bounce on roll) to completely trap you, and it keeps happening over and over. Watching a run doesnt really mean much. A pb/wr could use a frame perfect trick that kills 99% of runs. seeing a success doesnt really mean much

[dry sluice]

Is this jake

I don't remember who that's from

[short spire]

no jake was the anti spell sucker

there is no way he would rely on dive

[thorn jasper]

welcome to the shitposting club! get a verified run, get the speedrunner role, and join us in the hidden channel for all your shitposting needs

[zenith sorrel]

why shitpost there if you can just do it here

[cosmic shuttle]

I would do this if I had any run under 2h

fuckit im doing all glitches

(probably not)

[neon island]

Jake also tried to ping @ here to get help

[cosmic shuttle]

nvm i just

fuckin did it

I reverse-jinxed myself

Alright I now graciously permit any% to live on

[sweet escarp]

B-b-but... Mosquito skip too hard 😔

[hearty adder]

Salvale has allowed us to keep doing any%, thank Salvale

[cosmic shuttle]

I am merciful

[true palm]

i was about to say, if we're clearing any% boards, are we clearing low% and mr mushroom ones too?

but i guess we have also been permitted to prosper under salvale watchful eyes

[cold geyser]

https://youtu.be/osym7p38TdE

world record holders cower in fear of masrock9

the great and mighty hollow knight speedrunner

[grizzled maple]

that pasta was crystillineshine. i will never forget that day

[sweet escarp]

People who speedrun with a ps4 controller, where did you bind your back and menu button, pressing the normal ones is kinda uncomfortable

[twin swallow]

I just use the default to pause menu, touchpad to inventory

[sweet escarp]

Hmm, I think I will use the left button for inv since the map is obsolete anyway in a speedrun

[hearty adder]

I like your layout, if you made your livesplit layout have an image background and you put another image to cover the black space it'd look neat

Also don't forget to submit it to src

[cold geyser]

thanks for the advice, ive never really used obs but ill look into making the layout prettier

im probably doing another run today and it’ll probably be faster so im waiting to submit that one instead

[opaque trout]

i finally got the e pogo , any tips for easier set up?

[hearty adder]

Which patch?

[unkempt saddle]

guys how do we change patches, i wanna be able to menu drop

[twin swallow]

check pins

[unkempt saddle]

tf is a pin?

[twin swallow]

pinned messages, the icon in top right

[hearty adder]

The pinned messages on this channel

[twin swallow]

alternatively go here: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

[hearty adder]

Pins

[dense sluice]

So I'm learning 106% TE and wow Failed Champ was something i never wanna do again

[opaque trout]

its patch 1.2.2.1 , just swapped from current

[hearty adder]

What setup did you use?

It's pretty simple on 1221 so there isn't much variety

[opaque trout]

the nuetral dash from platform , look down and use the background as a visual cue for the timing of the jump

idk if it has a name , just what it looks like

[hearty adder]

That's as easy as the setup gets, to my knowledge

[opaque trout]

so its just practice im guessing , cuz at the moment i can only really get it 50% of the time

im just a tad bad rn , why did i have to insist on elegy%?

[jagged vault]

If you’re struggling with getting consistent try watching how other people do that same setup and compare it to your attempts

[opaque trout]

i think at the moment its just lack of experice with most skips for me , i only recently swapped from console to pc controls

but ill try looking at some other runs at lower speeds

[limpid ruin]

If youre just switching from controller as well as learning generally, don't be afraid to take it as slow as needed. Literally go frame by frame and look at the input viewer if that's needed

That's a lot of new stuff at once to learn and grasp, but you can do it

[opaque trout]

Thanks , I'll try , this is my first game speedrunning a category , and it's a bit of a jump from going really fast with zero strats to using glitches and skips constantly while also going fast

[white valley]

any advice on how to fix livesplit? i just downpatched my game and now livesplit wont work. ive restarted livesplit, hollow knight, and my pc and nothing will make it work. I didnt change any settings and it was working fine before the downpatch.

[uneven scarab]

Did you try running livesplit as an administrator?

[white valley]

yes i did

[uneven scarab]

Not much I can do to help then :/

Maybe someone else has had the same problem?

[ionic sparrow]

does it do anything? first things id recommend is making sure you open livesplit after you open hk, then you can deactivate the autosplitter then reactivate it, double check you still have autosplits, stuf flike that

make a new splits file and see what it does

[white valley]

alright ill try that, i had a splits file downloaded from speedrun.com and ive tried turning autosplit on/off but not making a new save. Thanks

[ionic sparrow]

doublecheck the splits file has autosplits in them

[white valley]

the timer will turn green if i press start but wont actually start counting and autosplit just stays grey

[ionic sparrow]

are you playing HK when you activate the timer

[white valley]

yes, i have auto split on when i start a new file and when the timer didnt start i hit the start button and it turned green but doesnt count

so standing in kings pass right where you start the game

[cosmic shuttle]

so tips for acid skip?

The first one

the uh

easy one

[jagged vault]

Walk off the platform, press cdash as soon as you hit the wall

[white valley]

the one before uumuu?

[jagged vault]

The timing is a bit tricky at first and takes a couple attempts to get used to

[cosmic shuttle]

Ik how it works but like

it is hard as hell

[jagged vault]

Wait, not the one before uumuu?

[cosmic shuttle]

ohh

wiat'

[jagged vault]

The one in crossroads acid room?

[cosmic shuttle]

Yeah that's it

[jagged vault]

Yeah that’s what i figured

[white valley]

walking off the platform for that one is the easiest way to me

[cosmic shuttle]

It's just it \

doesnt input buffer

[jagged vault]

Cdash has no buffers

[cosmic shuttle]

ik

[jagged vault]

The wall has a lot of room

[cosmic shuttle]

heh.

[jagged vault]

So even if you start cdashing a bit delayed you won’t slide into the acid

[white valley]

walk off the ledge quickly so you hit the highest point and you should have plenty of time to cdash

[jagged vault]

So try delaying your cdash input slightly i guess

[cosmic shuttle]

alright

sounds like an idea

[jagged vault]

As for jumping out on the other side, it’s just a matter of knowing the timing

Which boils down to practice pretty mich

*much

Good luck!

[hot osprey]

Ok so someone mentioned earlier that moving the downpatched hk folder into the steam library folder and then renaming it would make my controller work

So I'll give that a shot in the morning. Any other ideas in case it doesn't?

[ionic sparrow]

joy2key the inputs to kb inputs

or something equivalent to that

[hot osprey]

Ah good idea

[normal ember]

Is there an in depth guide to the watcher knight fight? I watched fireborns tutorial but I can’t figure out how to do anything when there are two of them

[short spire]

https://youtu.be/Oc-_Vg-Y8ME this might help

[normal ember]

Thanks

[short spire]

no matter what it's a tough fight though

ultimately you'll just need to grind it out

[normal ember]

Yeah I’ve been on it a couple hours and haven’t made much progress on consistency

[short spire]

yeah it takes time

every time you fight them you get a bit closer though so keep at it

[cosmic shuttle]

wait

is acid skip different/removed in current patch?

because istg I was damaged halfway through a cdash

[grizzled maple]

No with the exception of the jump from the last wall in the 2nd isma acid skip. You HAVE to neutral jump off the wall on cp where you can hold a direction if you want on 1221. The rest are identical

[floral raptor]

Hey guys, I came up with an idea for a new Hollow Knight Speedrun. Here is a video of one of my first attempts. I would love to see this become an official category. If anyone wants to give this a try, please share your times!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnSQKhTqNNA

[twin swallow]

2:57, don't see this becoming a category though since it's essentially the first third of a 4 Mask Shards run except you skip saving one grub on the way

recommend checking that category out if you haven't seen it

[thorn jasper]

4 mask shards

a pinned message has the How to LiveSplit & Autosplit guide

[floral raptor]

Thanks for the info! I'll make sure to check that category out. As you can see I don't know much about Hollow Knight speed runs.

[thorn jasper]

that's what we're here for!

[leaden python]

Also don't be discouraged if you feel that everything has been figured out. Experimenting on your own is very cool and fun 🙂

[cinder bison]

I play with a keyboard and find it impossible to get fireballs out fast enough to hang in the air unless I spam the key and then its pretty inconsistent. (yes I’m using quick cast) Is that normal? Anything I can do about that?

[thorn jasper]

are you approaching it like "turn around THEN fireball", or like "turn around AND fireball at the SAME TIME". if the former, try approaching it like the latter and see where that gets you

might end up being somewhere in between

[cinder bison]

Well usually my problem is that the second fireball doesn’t come out till I’ve already fallen a good amount

[thorn jasper]

oh, the second fireball. yeah some people (i.e. emray) swear by mashing (with a certain rhythm?), but I think most people just practice the timing

[grizzled maple]

Hi yes mashing good if you use it to pace timing

I usually do 3 inputs for one

[cinder bison]

Mmm okay

[leaden python]

mashing is good if it works for you and doesn't kill your hands. If you want to get down the timing then install debug mod, give yourself infinite soul, jump and start fireballing until you get down the timing

[cinder bison]

Maybe I’ll switch the bind to my mouse so I can mash faster

[grizzled maple]

Mouse binding is generally not recommended because spaghetti code

[stray kestrel]

is it allowed to bind two keys to the same input?

[cinder bison]

Ope okay

[thorn jasper]

but maybe there's something you can do physically with your fingers on the keyboard to improve the timing

[leaden python]

there's a program in #resources that fixes mouse bindings on 1221 just in case you want to try it out, but yeah, you have plenty of options

[thorn jasper]

you could try doing the fireballs too close together on purpose, see what the other end of that spectrum feels like

[twin swallow]

Each player input can be mapped to a maximum of one game input. Multiple player inputs can all be mapped to the same game input.

[cinder bison]

Okay! I’ll try these out thanks all

[twin swallow]

so yes, but you can't do the reverse (have one key do two or more things at once)

[thorn jasper]

socd.2.exe: map quick cast and turn around to the same key

[leaden python]

I actually did that slaurent

Just to find out how long the delay between the turnaround and fireball should be for it to work

[thorn jasper]

oh yeah metente, if you're having trouble turning around, try the socd cleaner in #resources

[leaden python]

if I remember correctly, you can't turn around on the same frame, and on the next frame as well

so like you have to skip a frame after pressing the direction, otherwise you'll fireball/nailswing to the same direction you're facing

[thorn jasper]

or just try it regardless tbh

[cinder bison]

What does that do? Makes you turn around automatically?

[thorn jasper]

nah, it lets you keep holding one direction while pressing another in order to turn around

without it, you have to let go of right and then press left. with it you can keep holding right, and press left

also applies to up/down, so you can make the knight do a cute headbang

[cinder bison]

Ahhh okay

Is that allowed? Or just for practice

[thorn jasper]

allowed for runs!

As an exception to the above rules, a macro with the sole function of allowing opposing directional inputs to override one another is allowed. An example script for use can be found in the Resources section.
``` from the game rules on speedrun.com

[cinder bison]

Oh wow okay, thanks!

[stable flint]

how do i get an input reader like gamepad viewer but on my stream?

[normal ember]

i would assume just window capture it

[stable flint]

i dont want to capture all of google, also it does not look good

[thorn jasper]

you can use an obs browser source with the gamepadview url

there should be a url generator

[normal ember]

if the background is a solid color you can just chroma key the rest out

[stable flint]

i have no clue how to do that....

also i tried browser source and it didnt pick it up so idk

[thorn jasper]

was the url like https://gamepadviewer.com/?p=1 ?

and by "didn't pick it up", do you mean it wasn't visible in obs, or do you mean it wasn't displaying the inputs?

[stable flint]

it didnt display inputs

url looked like this https://gamepadviewer.com/#

[thorn jasper]

I've run into that before where the solution was "restart all of OBS" :/

[twin swallow]

for me it's just unplug and replug controller

[thorn jasper]

try with the p?=1 like I pasted above, see if that helps? it's been a while since I switched to keyboard

[twin swallow]

and then occasionally restart obs if it's being a butt

[stable flint]

that made it work

thank you so much

[hearty adder]

If you're having trouble with the browser capture, there's also many controller display plugins available in the OBS forums

Browser captures have a tendency to eat resources

[normal ember]

whens the best time to heal in the watcher knight fight? I can only get anything off between when they spawn after being killed.

[hearty adder]

Right after they stop an attack is an ok window to heal at

[normal ember]

but they never usually attack at the same time

[stable flint]

cant seem to find any

imma just use the browser source for now

[normal ember]

I used open joystick display but thats not being supported by the dev anymore

[hearty adder]

I downloaded one from there, i can find it again tomorrow since I'm about to snooze

[stable flint]

thanks. id appreciate that

have a good night

[narrow crater]

Hello, Im a complete newbie to speedrunning and I want to get started running any% AG. Theres a nice forum on speedrun.com for the AG category however the part that goes through performing the glitches has been marked "TODO" for 2 years. Is there a resource/documentation that I can use to learn the route and glitches? I think the big ones are superslide, lurien x3, and HK cpeak quick kill.

[dry sluice]

It's essentially all main menu storage

[keen cedar]

howdy arcade, no new guides for AG, your best bet is going to be watching WR and asking specific questions here

[dry sluice]

There's no guide for the category, biggest obstacle you'll run into will likely be wk skip as that's really the only difficult trick in the run but yeah just ask questions and people will help

Most of the run is just knowing what menuing to do when

[narrow crater]

Alright, main menu storage, thank for the help and fast response.

[north apex]

i downpatched the game to 1.2.2.1 and except in the main menu im getting really low framerates

also the grass textures are messed up and i cant use my nail

ok not just low framerates its consistently staying at 15 fps

and it seems its not just grass textures its any breakable object

ok now im really confused because its just kings pass that is having low fps

[dry sluice]

If textures are screwed up sounds like something went wrong with doanpatching, I'd try doing it again

Maybe clear registry first as well idk

[north apex]

i cleared the registry and that didnt work so ill try the downpatch again

ok downpatched again and im still having the same issues

when i walk around a lot of the floor textures are missing and foreground textures are also missing

[cinder bison]

Are there any beginner setups for epogo on current patch? Found a video from emray for console but I’m on PC

[cold geyser]

i just copied the setup that pisces does in the all skills wr

it worked well for me

[short spire]

that doesnt work on current patch

[cold geyser]

oh my mistake

[short spire]

you can use the console setup from that video metente, you just need to turn on vsync

[cold geyser]

also does anyone have any tips for avoiding the hard fall in kings pass when the platform breaks beneath you?

[short spire]

you've gotta jump just as it breaks and land on the upper part of the platform below

it's kinda tight, but just try to tap jump as late as possible

if you get the jump off but hardwall anyway, you were too early. if you don't get the jump off at all, you were too late

[cold geyser]

good to know, thank you

[cinder bison]

Alright, thanks

[short spire]

to be clear only turn on vsync for the duration of the skip, and also make sure your monitor is running at 60hz

[stray kestrel]

is there a guide somewhere that goes a bit more in depth on how superslides work other than fireborn's NLDG guide?

like i get pause when you hit an enemy but when i dont do it right i have no idea if im early or late or what

when i do end up getting it, it just feels like luck

also i've seen doing it from the crawlid and jumping, whats the timing with the jump

i have been playing on 1118 btw if that makes a difference

[hollow sparrow]

how long did your first few runs of nmg take? im just trying to gauge if im started out normal or poorly

[cold geyser]

what's a good time for a beginner to get to vengeful spirit?

i spent a bit of time trying to get a good gold split for vengeful spirit

after a bit of work i got it to 3:50, which compared to WR is trash but i felt happy with it

[mild gate]

that is good

[carmine yew]

Honestly the best thing is just getting a full run done, that way you have a time to compare against and improve on

Plus completing your first full run is an accomplishment

[hollow sparrow]

it took me a long time but it did feel good to do a full run

[cold geyser]

^ to rex

started in literally last place so i can only go up 😎

[hollow sparrow]

exactly it took me so long and then the next run i saw how i improved in so many ways

[cold geyser]

it was very satisfying to beat a split by 25 minutes just by learning

[mild gate]

pog

[hollow sparrow]

in my first run i took me 30 minutes to beat the hollow knight

like it was bad

[mild gate]

i havent done my first run yet, but i bet itll take long since i've only practised the beginning and till hornet

[hollow sparrow]

i still find shade skip so hard

[mild gate]

the salubra one?

[hollow sparrow]

yeah like to get into blue lake

[mild gate]

oh right i should try that

[hollow sparrow]

its tricky

[cold geyser]

ismas skip was a pain

to learn

[hollow sparrow]

the crossroads one or the queens garden one

[cold geyser]

first run it took me 45 minutes, second run it took me only 20 😎

[hollow sparrow]

like you mean acid skip right?

[cold geyser]

its for all skills, my choice of category to start on

[stray kestrel]

the acid skips in isma's grove

[cold geyser]

its this really weird thing that involves a spike tunnel pogo thingy then an acid skip then a hard acid skip

[stray kestrel]

are you doing it on cp?

[hollow sparrow]

what catagory do you do that in

[stray kestrel]

All skills

[hollow sparrow]

ah

ive only done nmg

any%

[stray kestrel]

ah yea, any% has a hard watcher knights fight instead

[hollow sparrow]

its not that bad i take extra time to upgrade my nail though

its not that hard of a fight to begin with

[cold geyser]

im on 1.2.2.1

[stray kestrel]

ah, i hear the spike tunnel is easier on CP

[cold geyser]

my all skills nmg (1.2.2.1) run would be last place if i submitted it

[hollow sparrow]

you can only go up from there

[terse agate]

Does it sound stupid to ask if I can get help with the speed run achievements in this channel?

[stray kestrel]

i believe fireborn made a guide on youtube on how to get it

[terse agate]

Oh cool thanks

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[terse agate]

Reminder: that’s crazy bro

[digital jewel]

Mayonnaisical, there is a very short delay between the attack and pause input.

If you kill the enemy and don't get a pause, you paused too late

If you pause before hitting the enemy, that's too early

[zinc cairn]

What do i choose in livesplit when i want to do some of these fun categories like elderbug%?

Or do i have to just write the category manually?

[mild gate]

unless there already is one, you make it

but if you use the autosplit i think it should have npc's as autosplits

[zinc cairn]

Oh yeah, it have this. I meant i haven't seen this in "run category" but i guess it's just for title so i can type that manually

[mild gate]

true

[digital jewel]

Change game name to Hollow Knight Category Extensions

[zinc cairn]

Oh i see

[desert mason]

Man setting up everything to speedrun Hollow Knight seems so daunting haha

[mild gate]

it is

[limpid ruin]

It is, but it also isn't that much you realise once you've learnt it

Just take it one step at a time

[zinc cairn]

yoo i got sub 9 cloak finally

[desert mason]

📝 👀

[snow dome]

What are you struggling with ATM?

[sweet escarp]

Do I have to menu drop in kings pass when the floor crumbles, sometimes I hard fall sometimes I don't when not menu dropping

[snow dome]

The ideal strat is to tap jump just before the floor breaks

[mild gate]

you have to make a small jump when the floor breaks

and then land on the left platform

[snow dome]

Too high and you hard fall normally, too early and you hit the floor then hard fall, too late and you won't jump

[desert mason]

Haven't started setting anything up yet ^^'
Just from someone who speedran games before where there was practically 0 setup all the information for Hollow Knight speedrunning is a lot to take in

[snow dome]

There is also a slide strategy you can use, but I'm not sure if it's consistent

@desert mason I don't know what the guides are saying, but all you really need is livesplit and to set it to "Game time".

So long as you have that you're good.

[desert mason]

I mean generally Route Downpatching etc.

[snow dome]

Oh, right.

[desert mason]

Livesplit is easy

haha

[snow dome]

Sure, but you can run most categories on current patch

No need to downpatch if it's giving you a headache.

I started on CP then moved over to 1221 after I had played with mods and gotten used to messing about with HK files.

[desert mason]

Oh, I see!

[snow dome]

The strats are slightly different, but the routes themselves are usually quite similar.

No Lever Skips is the biggest difference, but mostly that just means you have to do a room "properly" instead of ignoring most of it. (Like in the Watcher's Spire for Any%).

All Skills is a bit different as you need to actually get the key and do the fight for Shade Soul.

But if you just pay attention to Current Patch stuff only you won't have any problems

[haughty fossil]

(shills current patch guide )

[hasty moat]

I have #lab it is all I need jamie

[hot osprey]

ok so i got the downpatching and controller working fine, but 1221 is super duper laggy, and rooms take forever to load. anyway i can change this? my specs are fine and run regular hollow knight with not problems whatsoever

every single time i hit something with my nail, the game skips like all of the frames

[haughty fossil]

im sorry kankan, i am become code monkey

time to get my content stolen by a certain someone

[hasty moat]

[haughty fossil]

what's your specs/framerate on cp?

[hasty moat]

tbh jam jam I tried to open your guide and it took me like 3 attempts to even load it

[hot osprey]

gtx 1050ti and core i5 7th gen

[hasty moat]

power point is kinda like

yikes

[haughty fossil]

yeah making it a powerpoint was a bad idea, might convert to google slides

yeah car24day i have similar specs and cannot run 1221

[zinc cairn]

lmao i died at false knight because one of husks didn't get killed and i haven't seen it, how is that even possible?

[hasty moat]

you probably hit the husk

[hot osprey]

why tho? its older, is it just not optimized well?

[haughty fossil]

hitting enemies gives them iframes

[haughty fossil]

exactly
tc didn't know how to code and didn't bother optimising until they needed to make it run on switch

[zinc cairn]

oh wow, i always pogo on them to get to the end of room faster and that happened for the first time, pretty unlucky

[hasty moat]

I'm kinda surprised 1221 runs so badly even with those specs, mine are way worse and it runs just a bit worse than you guys

[hot osprey]

maybe i can turn down the graphics or something

[haughty fossil]

sets particles to minimum
still gets 3fps in thk room

[hasty moat]

hope silksong's final boss will clean their room a bit more

[haughty fossil]

silksong's final boss: room filled with flowers. every petal has a separate instance of the HP manager. your fps is -1. time has broken and you have become immortal in a world in limbo.

[hot osprey]

yeah i set all graphics settings to minimum and its the same pretty much

i have no other apps open

its pathetic

its unplayable

[snow dome]

I hope it has loads of particle effects and then they swish to clear them away as the fight starts

The graphics settings in HK seem to do nothing.

I can't tell the difference at all, and it didn't help the game run better. I ended up buying a new computer. 1660S and Ryzen 5300X

[limpid ruin]

kanra what specs do you have anyway?

[hasty moat]

potato

[limpid ruin]

I meant more in specific, I new the general summary

[hot osprey]

What's weird is that my friend has worse specs than me and he's running 1.2.2.1 completely fine

No performance issues at all

[digital jewel]

What does your friend have

Hk performance is mostly based on cpu

[clever hornet]

Have you accidentally put the HK 1.2.2.1 folder on a mechanical drive instead of SSD?

[hot osprey]

he has a ryzen 5 3600

but his graphics card is terrible

or low end at the least

[limpid ruin]

Yea r5 3600 is a great value chip, so makes sense

[digital jewel]

Yeah that does make sense

Ssd vs hdd makes no meaningful difference for hk

[clever hornet]

I run it perfectly on r5 2600 and rx 580

[clever hornet]

well that depends on the mechanical drive. If hes using a low RPM one it defo should

[limpid ruin]

Nah

I'm using a 5400rpm, no noticeable load difference to the ssd I used to have at all really

It's not i/o heavy, in other words

[digital jewel]

OK I just looked up i5 7th gen and wtf Intel were still making 4core/4thread cpus in 2017??

Thank god for ryzen. My 1600 is that old and runs 1221 fine

[clever hornet]

I see. I stand corrected. Then I dont see what his problem could be except faulty something

[clever hornet]

yea intel is just bad value all together since ryzen started coming out

[limpid ruin]

Intel has gotten better to follow along. Still left in the dust, but newest i5 is a decent buy tbh

What specs did you have, hobnob?

[clever hornet]

r5 2600 and rx 580

[limpid ruin]

Ooh, sorry. Mixed up who was having issues 🥴

[clever hornet]

haha it happens

[hot osprey]

so yea idk y im having so many issues

[limpid ruin]

What specific cpu do you have, beyond i5 7th gen?

Laptop or desktop?

[fluid phoenix]

does livesplit have to be extracted from the zip to work?

[limpid ruin]

Hm, if you play in windowed and open task manager and look at the performance tab it might tell you where the bottleneck is

Yea, livesplit has to be unzipped and/or installed. I thought it had an installer tho?

[fluid phoenix]

i just got a zip from their website

[clever hornet]

it has an installer as far as I know

[fluid phoenix]

aight i extracted it and its working now

[hot osprey]

I have a laptop

Just to clarify

But that shouldn't matter. It's plugged in. My specs should, in theory, run the game fine on any version

[limpid ruin]

It does matter tho. Cooling on laptops is really frickn hard, and computer components generate a lot of heat

[hot osprey]

Yes but in this case it shouldn't be an issue

My computer cools fine 99% of the time

[clever hornet]

Vsync off?

[hot osprey]

Yeah I tried that

[haughty fossil]

i have an i7-8750H in what is supposed to be a well cooled laptop. trust me, the power limits alone make laptop cpus much worse off

[clever hornet]

so it reacts the same way with vsync on and off?

[hot osprey]

Yes

[clever hornet]

Alright

[hot osprey]

It just doesn't make sense because this guy's performance is nearly always worse than mine, yet for 1.2.2.1 his runs completely fine

I'm trying uninstalling and reinstalling my driver

[haughty fossil]

repeating this, could you tell me the specific cpu? sku matters more than generation in virtually every case

[hot osprey]

I'm not sure, let me check

Ok here

i5-7300

[limpid ruin]

do you have gsync or freesync?

[hot osprey]

Idek what those are lol

[jagged vault]

Car, if you’re having trouble with performance on 1221, running current patch is perfectly valid

CP has it’s own subsection of leaderboards to provide even competition too

[hot osprey]

Yeah that's true, I just kinda wish I could downpatch cuz some of the skips like explosion pogo look like fun but eh whatever I guess

[grizzled maple]

that trick still works

[jagged vault]

At least in the major categories like Any% and All Skills

[limpid ruin]

ryzen 5 3600 is miles ahead of i5 7300hq ngl

[grizzled maple]

its just different. i have a guide in resources

[hot osprey]

Oh it does? Idk much about speedrunning

[jagged vault]

Epogo works on CP, just a lot harder

Same for inventory drops

[grizzled maple]

the main things patched that matter are lever skips which change the route, and inv dropping which isnt a huge deal

i wouldnt call it much harder. the vsync version is equally as easy imo

[verbal crow]

Hey everyone ! I'm new to speedrun and I'm having trouble getting a separate save with mod installer (i'm running in 1.4.3.2), I've already tried the guides for the 1.2.2.1 but it does not work (when I launch the copy of hollow knight, it just launches my original steam version which is modded) do you know if there is a guide for the 1.4.3.2 or can someone explain me how to do it on this version ? Thanks

[grizzled maple]

in fact i find it easier than 1221 now

[hot osprey]

Ok cool, then I'll run cp I guess

Thanks for the help guys!

[limpid ruin]

remember to add the steam_appid file the downpatch guide mentions in the multiple installs sectoin

[verbal crow]

Can you tell me which guide please ?

[clever hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aCaVTAUtc&feature=emb_logo

[grizzled maple]

its in the pins here

that guide is outdated

fire is working on a new one soon

[clever hornet]

@grizzled maple it still covers how to downpatch and add the steam_id I think

maybe Im wrong

[limpid ruin]

How to Downpatch Hollow Knight (Updated):
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten

this one specifically

[grizzled maple]

im not sure specifically what changed but im gonna direct you to the most recent

[limpid ruin]

its in the pins here and is kept more up to date yea

[grizzled maple]

cant go wrong that way

[clever hornet]

Thats fair

[narrow crater]

Having trouble installing mini-debug mod for 1.0.2.8. Downpatched through steam and added to steam as "Nonsteam game" via Xero's guide on speedrun.com. Runs good. I move Assembly-CSharp.dll to "C:\Program Files(x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_367520\depot_367521\hollow_knight_Data\Managed". I go into game and binds don't work. I try adding it to steamapps\common\Hollow Knight...\Managed. Still not working? Anything I missed?

[dull plank]

wonder if i can capture card my switch to a pc and live share it to speedrun

[verbal crow]

So if I had the steam_appid.txt in my copied folder of hollow knight and then I install ModInstaller it should work ?

[grizzled maple]

you can. there's a lot of affordable capture cards though theyre hard to come by since covid started

[digital jewel]

modinstaller is for current patch

[limpid ruin]

it depends, if the modinstaller is directed to the modded install yes

And it being CP ofc

[verbal crow]

Yeah I'm using this version to run

[limpid ruin]

yea, then you shouldnt need any modinstaller thinking

[dull plank]

oh yea i do have one I can use, ill have to learn how to speedrun hollow knight though

[limpid ruin]

then its just getting the game to boot

[dull plank]

only game ive done speedrunning on is bendy and the ink machine so this should be fun

[verbal crow]

Ok I'll try thanks

[sweet escarp]

Why do I feel like I'm not getting knockbacked by my fireballs, 1.2.2.1 patch

[limpid ruin]

that is weird, bc they definitely do

[digital jewel]

the knockback is not super noticeable by itself

[sweet escarp]

They do, mb. I just don't notice it

[limpid ruin]

thats fair

[digital jewel]

especially if your turnarounds are sloppy and you're moving in the direction that you fire for a bit

[limpid ruin]

if you have debug you can turn on inf soul and shoot like 5 fbs, youll notice pretty well

oi xero dont call me out like this

[torpid pollen]

how do you do vs skips

i can never shoot them out fast enough so i just fall

should i not spam the button?

[grizzled maple]

quick cast and get good

[torpid pollen]

lol

[grizzled maple]

i personally mash some people swear by timing

[limpid ruin]

you full hop, once you pass apex you turn around as quick as you can, and quickcast fast after that

[grizzled maple]

literally just find what works for you

[limpid ruin]

i wouldnt call it mashing em, bc you do it controlled for timing it sounds like from previously?

but you can definitely "mash" just to get the rhythm going

[grizzled maple]

kinda but it is mashing. i mean you can look at my vods since i use input display

[limpid ruin]

its like a slow mashing

[grizzled maple]

its calculated mashing but still mashing

[twin swallow]

timed mashing is still mashing

[grizzled maple]

no its actually very fast

[sweet escarp]

I was pressing circle instead of quick cast

[limpid ruin]

ohisee

[grizzled maple]

i do several inputs with the intention of doing one

usually 3-4 per fireball

this game is really bad at taking my inputs so it works for me idk

[torpid pollen]

yeah i was just mashing nonstop

[limpid ruin]

oh yea, I think for me to hit a good timing with it i have to sorta actively slow down a bit (im used to mashing bc i cant sit still ), but ill check a vod

[torpid pollen]

so no calculation involved

i do that with baldurs too and it is also slow

[grizzled maple]

yeah think about when you want the fireball to come out and base your mashing speed on that

[limpid ruin]

i recommend using debug with infinite soul and just figuring out the timings

[narrow crater]

Anybody have suggestions? I'm sorry I know the question is probably annoying but I think I've tried everything and I'm stumped :(

[sweet escarp]

Why do we do a 2-2 Vs combo on the mound baldur and not just 3-1

I mean doing 2 and waiting for him to spit out a normal baldur

[narrow crater]

3 VS adds some extra stun animation or something

[grizzled maple]

you can do 3-1 if you time it right and get 1st spit. theres a stagger to him so you want to wait on his spit

[digital jewel]

that's strange arcade

are you sure the assembly-csharp.dll replaced the one in the folder already?

also make sure to make a backup of that vanilla file if you didn't already

[torpid pollen]

wait cerp what is a simoday?

[limpid ruin]

are you sure youre pressing the correct binds? if its installed it should show "Cheat mode" in top left of the menu when proper. Did you remember to add the steam_app file from the guide to the added install?

[limpid ruin]

its Simo's birthday, it was recently! You should @ simo and wish him a happy birthday for everything he does for the server

[torpid pollen]

oh i just thought it was a different way to say hbd to ax2u

[narrow crater]

Can I send screenshots in this thread? I have steam_appid.txt if thats what you mean. I used Assembly-CSharp-Debug.dll for the debug mod, and Assembly-CSharp for the Load Extender. Are the mods incompatible? Also, I'm not getting "Cheat mode" in the main menu, and in game none of the binds are working.

[torpid pollen]

@abstract shore happy birthday

if this is the correct one

[limpid ruin]

oh yee, theyre incompatible

basically the -debug one isnt being read by the game

the game looks for specifically Assembly-CSharp.dll but doesnt check the content of this file (too much), and all mods are made by injecting code into that specific file and the game reading it

which is why in 1221 you replace that file with the modding api for example, and mods communicate with the modding api

[digital jewel]

yeah so arcade you would have to rename Assembly-CSharp to something else, then rename Assembly-CSharp-Debug.dll to Assembly-CSharp to enable cheats

[narrow crater]

Yep, works perfectly. Thanks so much! I assumed leaving it as -debug would work because theres also a file called -firstpass.

[digital jewel]

and then reverse the process to turn cheats off again

[limpid ruin]

And for mini-debug its just hardcoded into the file, bc theres no api for 1028 (i think?)

[verbal crow]

Thanks @limpid ruin , @digital jewel and , @grizzled maple my problem is solved ! Your are handsome 😉

[torpid pollen]

nice

[hot osprey]

So is the cp route basically the same as the 1221 route but without inventory drops?

There aren't any huge changes to the route, right?

[charred sigil]

There are some changes

biggest one is the removal of lever skips, and explosion pogo being a lot more complicated/precise so some people find it more worthwhile to do without the skip

but, i suppose those aren't too major

you still get items in the same order and stuff

[torpid pollen]

inventory drops can still be performed

just do frame perfect timing or whatever

in aluba% i have gotten the big drop in the room in the left part of the crossroads to be like 50% consistent i guess

but i think you are talking about a different category

[grizzled maple]

again, the vsync version is not that complicated. i feel like saying things like this scares people away from cp even though its actually not hard

[torpid pollen]

are you talking about epogo?

[grizzled maple]

yes

the vsync version is both consistent when you understand what youre trying to do, and has a nice margin of error

since it was discovered that this was possible on pc cp epogo has become something people dont have to worry about anymore yet people still talk about it like that

[torpid pollen]

so there is a vsync version and then another one or smth?

[grizzled maple]

yeah the other version is the complicated and precise version

[torpid pollen]

which one tanks damage?

[grizzled maple]

vsync

[torpid pollen]

or is that both

ah

[grizzled maple]

i mean the other version can but its not necessary. the vsync version requires damage

[charred sigil]

good to know

[torpid pollen]

i originally thought that it was easier to do epogos without vsync

maybe having more frames is bad idk

[grizzled maple]

the reason the trick requires vsync is because lower fps = more knockback

[digital jewel]

if you could do the damage tank epogo with high framerate, then vsync would be no benefit at all

[grizzled maple]

so you stand in a specific spot (which isnt that precise its pretty wide) and pogo to explode the spore early which knocks you straight up

the harder complicated version doesnt change anything and instead does a ridiculous setup to be higher than they should be to reach the ledge with just a spore pogo

[zinc cairn]

there's nothing wrong in dying in aluba% after timer stops, right?

[torpid pollen]

oh ok

that explains it

[charred sigil]

timer stop is timer stop

You're all good

[torpid pollen]

there isnt

[maiden bane]

How much time is lost on PC by menuing to vsync twice? I had been practicing the pantaloony epogo but had low success so maybe I should switch

[zinc cairn]

Oh great

[grizzled maple]

3-4 seconds? maybe? its not that slow. that includes both menus.

[zinc cairn]

I got sub 10, i think i will give it few more tries and see if i can do better

because i used squit pogo

[grizzled maple]

i think xeph is the only top 112 runner who doesnt do vsync and its because she has a 144hz monitor

i dont remember if skurry does or not

[maiden bane]

the hard part now will be remembering which option is vsync in a language I cannot read

[grizzled maple]

middle option > 3rd down > 3rd down

[twin swallow]

Muscle memory takes the wheel (:

[grizzled maple]

i havent played hk in a while tho ngl. its definitely the 3rd option once or twice

[torpid pollen]

whats bad abt having a 144hz monitor

[twin swallow]

If you can do mantis pogo with vsync you only need to menu once but it's kinda scuffed

[grizzled maple]

you need the 60 fps aqua

[torpid pollen]

ah right

[grizzled maple]

remember lower fps = knockback

[torpid pollen]

i also have a 144hz monitor

[grizzled maple]

its possible but its much harder

[torpid pollen]

[grizzled maple]

MUCH harder

[torpid pollen]

not running any% with epogo then

lol

[grizzled maple]

if youre serious about a cp category its probably worth to just change your monitor settings lol

[torpid pollen]

oh right

i can do that

nevermind

[grizzled maple]

some people cant adjust to the lower fps though and thats valid, but the other epogo is ass

[twin swallow]

Going around is 30ish seconds so it's not like the whole run is impossible if you can't or don't want to do epogo at all

[torpid pollen]

how many times do you have to fail epogo for it to be just as fast as going around the long way

[twin swallow]

If you're taking damage each attempt, most of your timeloss will be to healing

[torpid pollen]

oh right

[twin swallow]

Since 3 lots of 2 mask damage and you're killed

[torpid pollen]

i guess if ur health was full you could do it twice

[uneven scarab]

So if your monitor is high quality: cp epogo without vsync = good?

[grizzled maple]

iirc its like 8 seconds per attempt. most of it is waiting on the spore to come down

you need 60fps. thats it. the monitor itself doesnt matter

[twin swallow]

If you can do that insane setup, vsyncless is good sure (:

[grizzled maple]

what vsync does is cap your fps output to your monitors refresh rate

[torpid pollen]

if ur computer is good enough to have 1 frame per hz

then turn down the hz

[grizzled maple]

its HORRIBLE for the normal game because it eats inputs for breakfast but its worth for this trick

[torpid pollen]

so like 144 fps for 144 hz

[uneven scarab]

Yeah, I’ve been grinding vsyncless for the last 3 days

[grizzled maple]

valigna proved it is possible at 144 but its really tight. not worth

[leaden python]

144fps epogo is not hard

I said it's not worth because I'm good at normal setup 🙂

[zinc cairn]

what about 66fps?

or is it worth at all?

[digital jewel]

why 66fps

[grizzled maple]

it would probably work but thats a kinda weird number yeah

[zinc cairn]

oh damn, i meant 60. Haven't had good sleep in a while and that's what happens

[grizzled maple]

then yeah thats what you want for this. also same i understand lol

im on my 3rd day of insomnia right now

[zinc cairn]

hope you can have a good rest soon

[torpid pollen]

now i want to buy a 66 hz monitor

is there a menderbug% category?

asking for a friend

[grizzled maple]

not officially but its been run by a lot of people

[sweet escarp]

In my 50h save file I have only seen menderbug once and that was in the 50th hour lmao

[torpid pollen]

did you destroy things

[sweet escarp]

Wdym?

[torpid pollen]

like he only appears to fix stuff

i think

[sweet escarp]

The sign? Yes

Yea, he fixes that one sign that you first see when dropping down the well

[hearty adder]

Since I just woke up and someone was asking last night:
If anyone wants a controller input display on their OBS layout but can't use browser captures or window captures (they're more GPU-intensive, especially when using a color key filter), this is the OBS plugin I use. It allows for keyboard, mouse, and/or gamepad capture. Very very easy to set up

https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/input-overlay.552/

@stable flint this is the one I was talking about last night, but thought I might as well share it here for anyone else who wants it

[stable flint]

thank you so much

which do i download

[hearty adder]

If you use windows just download the windows zip

The post should have further instructions on installation but it takes like -2 minutes anyways

[stable flint]

it doesnt really

its very unclear

[hearty adder]

Just extract the zip into the obs directory

When adding a source on OBS there should be an option of "plugin capture" or something similar. It'll pop up a window that will ask you to input an image and an .ini file iirc: in the image you look for the input display you want (keyboard, mouse, gamepad), same for plugin file. And there you go

[stable flint]

theres no plugin capture option.

[limpid ruin]

That looks like slobs, it's only compatible with obs studio :/

[stable flint]

oooh okay

yeah i use slobs

imma just stick with my browser sourced one

[limpid ruin]

Yee, that's an okay choice

No need to change unless performance is affected

[stable flint]

if i notice my stream quility drops then yeah ill change

[limpid ruin]

Which it probably isn't

[hearty adder]

Yeah, browser sources are ok unless you notice your gpu suffering

[marble sparrow]

whats the best category to start?

[steady lynx]

All Skills or any%

[marble sparrow]

thx

[steady lynx]

Pretty sure there are guides for both in the pins of the channels named after the categories

[marble sparrow]

thx

[zinc cairn]

I'm doing 4 mask shards and my timer didn't stop after getting an upgrade.

What do i have to choose as the split, i had mask fragment 4 (upgrade) and it didn't work

[maiden bane]

You need "end-triggering autosplit" checked

[stiff delta]

Add an extra split afterwards, the timer will split on the mask then

[maiden bane]

My 4MS autosplits work without an extra split

[zenith sorrel]

that's the old way of doing it

[stiff delta]

thats

thanks for telling me though

[zenith sorrel]

yeah imagine hitting your enter key on accident

[stiff delta]

honestly didnt know the new way

[zenith sorrel]

cerpin added the option to make any split an end split

[stiff delta]

hype

cerpinPog

[zinc cairn]

where can i find this?

[maiden bane]

It should be in the autosplit settings

[marble sparrow]

can i get some advice about the livesplitterr?

[carmine yew]

What do you need to know

[marble sparrow]

how to use it and i was told that you use a load time remover or something like that

do you use live split or autosplits?

[carmine yew]

The program is called livesplit

Once you have it open, you click edit splits, and there will be drop down menus for the game and category

Once Hollow Knight is selected you will see an option to turn on the autosplitter

From there I recommend following one of the pinned guides in this channel to get it set up, and it should do basically all of the work for you

[marble sparrow]

thank you

[keen cedar]

howdy, any glitched runners know how the AG runs do their oobs and dupes? It looks like it has something to do with mms and not normal soob or map oob, but I can't seem to figure it out

[zenith sorrel]

for 1028 or cp ag?

[keen cedar]

1028

[zenith sorrel]

you use quick map when entering a transition

and once you close the map it gives you early control, so you want to time that as the next room loads

[keen cedar]

oh dope okay, thanks

[sturdy drum]

I missed the pantapogo love

[burnt grove]

You give pantapogo enough love on your stream :)

[sturdy drum]

It gets hours of viewtime at least weekly, you're right :)

[burnt grove]

Lmao

Q for the glitch lovers: what has the print screen key been used for successfully? I think manipulating Uumuu attacks was one thing. Epogo knockback?

I'd like to try using pausing to the switch system menu for the same things

[spice cradle]

New Path Of Pain fastest time done on console \o/ (2+ penalty = 2m24s) very cool!

[thorn jasper]

Crônometro sounds so much cooler than timer stopwatch

[zenith sorrel]

it's stopwatch right

[hearty adder]

Yeah

[zenith sorrel]

timer is still there on the bottom

[limpid ruin]

time meter

[thorn jasper]

[burnt grove]

Turns out suspending HK using the Switch home button works just as well as print screen to increase knockback, so it makes epogo more consistent

Is that legal in NMG?

[grizzled maple]

no

its not legal on pc so it wouldnt be legal here

[burnt grove]

Curses, foiled again

Related-ish Q: getting hit while inventory is open cancels knockback. Is that useful for anything?

[hearty adder]

Isn't getting hit while inventory's open something that can increase your chances of becoming invisible?

[grizzled maple]

i don't know that it does anything honestly.

[steady lynx]

I can't see it being useful for NMG at all

Sometimes I screenshot on switch by accident when I try to inventory drop so I have hundreds of screenshots of me walking off ledges

[hearty adder]

The forbidden gusten screenshots

[grizzled maple]

same lol

one day on stream i went through all of them

[glad wyvern]

11 minutes to get the dash, I'm good ?

[grizzled maple]

"ah yes lets take a stroll through all my failures"

[glad wyvern]

I failed all fireball skips and had to heal like 4 times in total

[grizzled maple]

if youre proud of it then its good :)

[glad wyvern]

I should still practice more the fireball skips

and have a controller

[steady lynx]

I kinda wanna see Dad's and Trouser's screenshot collections

[limpid ruin]

we all should

[steady lynx]

Though Dad's controller can't screenshot

[glad wyvern]

plus my keyboard as some weird key press restriction

[leaden python]

ah, awkward key rollover where you can't press certain keys at the same time

[glad wyvern]

to be able to do the more "combo" at the same time I had to put it like that :

but I can't up or down slash when walking to the left

[leaden python]

feel that, I was there as well 😔

[hearty adder]

That's great remember that the beginning of the run doesn't have a lot of wiggle room for time saves anyways

[hearty adder]

A small price to pay for combo

[glad wyvern]

well... failed the first vengly pogo, failed to kill any aspid with the spike, failed all fireball

[leaden python]

yeah, that's no good, you'll have a big problems later in the run if you can't do those

[glad wyvern]

fireball is hell for me

I can't manage to not press right too long

and I still haven't practiced a lot yet anyway, just wanted to see how fast could I do that part

how long have you'all been practicing ?

[limpid ruin]

5:1 practice:run ratio or so id guess

still shit

[hearty adder]

Uh

[stuck raptor]

@potent mountain

pls

👍

[grizzled maple]

i tabbed out for like 2 seconds what the heck

[hearty adder]

I've only been seriously doing it for like a month

[potent mountain]

i just switched servers too 😩

[glad wyvern]

[heavy spear]

So uh, what's the fastest run no glitches or skips period

[twin swallow]

not sure, true glitchless isn't really a category that many if any run

[grizzled maple]

speedrun.com/hollowknight

[gleaming gorge]

Ye

[twin swallow]

also really hard to define what is or isnt a skip (and in some cases, even a glitch)

[grizzled maple]

There are skips in every speedrun

[gleaming gorge]

Also just while you're here, I watched your explosion pogo guide and it really helped 😊

[grizzled maple]

Just uploaded a detailed ismas guide too since the all skills tourney is coming up

[gleaming gorge]

👀

[heavy spear]

Anything that breaks sequence or allows progression in a way not intended by the developers

[steady lynx]

True glitchless would bring into question, what's a glitch?

[grizzled maple]

The category you probably want is NMG though. It allows skips and minor glitches.

[twin swallow]

in a metroidvania, there's really no single "intended" progression outside of the first few areas

[heavy spear]

I mean stuff like the crystal heart fog canyon skip, shade skips, and the spire pogo

[twin swallow]

pretty sure spire pogo is actually intended?

[heavy spear]

I don't think so

[steady lynx]

It's intended

[grizzled maple]

Yeah every legit speedrun is gonna use those.

Yeah it is intended

[heavy spear]

Otherwise the Monarch Wings wouldn't be there?

[grizzled maple]

They have the pogoable object for that reason. Theres a lot of intended skips in the game and some things the devs just liked and kept

[snow dome]

Monarch Wings is required for Hornet 2

[grizzled maple]

Its not

[snow dome]

Okay

"required"

[steady lynx]

If they didn't want Spire Pogo they'd patch it out like other cool things

[grizzled maple]

In fact all skills used to do her after dash slash

You pogo an aspid. Its not too hard

[gleaming gorge]

I think they mean the more intended way

[snow dome]

The person we're talking to is talking about intended progression

[mild gate]

fuck watcher knights

big no

[snow dome]

Not a he

[grizzled maple]

Intended progression is irrelevant in this chat tho

[heavy spear]

You win

[grizzled maple]

This is a speedrun chat and all we care about is speed

[zenith sorrel]

there is no intended progression after claw

[mild gate]

sPEEEd

[zenith sorrel]

you can do it in any way you like

[steady lynx]

After claw it's the wild west of what you can do

[grizzled maple]

The skips are one of the cooler things about this game honestly. Almost no one has the same playthrough

[gleaming gorge]

For the most part, but even low% shows us that even dash isn't required

[grizzled maple]

If youre creative you can literally go wherever you want. God tier game design

[steady lynx]

With only dash and claw it's surprising how much you can do

[zenith sorrel]

it's safe to say dash was intended progression before claw

since that was the point

[twin swallow]

pretty sure intended progression was obtaining float and entering howling cliffs right at the start

[steady lynx]

Intended progression was doing cp MMS and getting all items from a Godhome save

[zenith sorrel]

they added godseeker mode to make ng+ an option using mms

I am too slow

[gleaming gorge]

What's everyone's goals atm?

[steady lynx]

switch 112 WR

[grizzled maple]

Beat dark souls 3

[zenith sorrel]

tbh though cp mms is the most fun I've had playing this game in a long time

it's actually so good

and stupid

[hearty adder]

My only goal is a pb where I can do qga on the first try

[gleaming gorge]

I'm looking to practice any% for a while to aim for a decent placement

[zenith sorrel]

it's just kinda cool to have 15 minute runs with full movement

everything is just so fast paced

[gleaming gorge]

Then I wanna try to go for 112

[grizzled maple]

I agree under. I was gonna run it until allie came along and did other glitches lol

[hearty adder]

Cp mms is very tempting, just for how silly it'd feel to start the game already being buff af

[zenith sorrel]

the other glitches make it pretty cool as well though

and they're all super easy to do

[grizzled maple]

Thats the kind of stuff I dont like though

[twin swallow]

my goal is find time to play this game more than once a week

[grizzled maple]

Never been a fan of oobs and other really broke stuff

[steady lynx]

A smaller goal would be getting past the King's Brand split again

[zenith sorrel]

I've been thinking about just doing ng+ zote%

[grizzled maple]

Its kinda like banjo kazooie with furnace fun moves glitch. You just open with one really big glitch and keep all your moves then do a normal glitchless run

[zenith sorrel]

basically colo1 il but with more things

[snow dome]

What other stuff do you do in CP MMS after the Godhome trick?

Glitch stuff

[sweet escarp]

Learn hornet 1 fight

[zenith sorrel]

noclip until monomon, bench storage to go oob and change charms anywhere, elevator storage to skip wk

those are the 3 big ones

[steady lynx]

Elderbug% all glitches when?

[zenith sorrel]

and they're really easy to learn

[snow dome]

I think I would run a category that was just "Start with all upgrades, any%"

[sweet escarp]

What are the storage things people keep talking about, I'm new so idk

[snow dome]

Glitch categories don't do anything for me, sadly. Enjoy watching them every now and then.

Storage is when you give yourself a state (like being sat on a bench) and then use a glitch to keep that state. The game thinks you are still doing that thing.

[hearty adder]

Doing mms ng+ and then just doing the rest of any% like normal sounds fun

[snow dome]

For bench storage, that means you are allowed to change charms as if you're benched.

[grizzled maple]

^ also allows for a cooler glitch called the unovercharm glitch

[snow dome]

Wall Cling Storage is a common one, which lets you continue moving at dash speed and also wall jump mid air

[sweet escarp]

Thanks

[true palm]

wall cling is also allowed in nmg

[snow dome]

Wall cling is allowed for speed, but you're not allowed to use it for skips

So you can't get wall cling under the peaks laser room and then get to crystal heart, for example

[true palm]

i didnt think he was gonna be routing new skips with wall cling storage but yah

i should be more specific mb

[snow dome]

It just feels like the kind of thing where somebody reads that, goes onto YouTube and sees that skip, then learns it.

Because the one time you don't mention it, that's exactly what happens.

[true palm]

i can see that happening yah

[snow dome]

Petition for that skip to be in NMG

My autocorrect made that nnmmgg

[grizzled maple]

If you dash off a wall you keep a dash but also the wall cling state. So you can just chain them together. It can be really broken

So the rules around it are careful

[true palm]

i feel like if that skip gets allowed that opens up a pandoras box though

[snow dome]

Exactly

[true palm]

one that might lead to some skips in low% that i dont wanna learn

[jagged vault]

Also, were there ever test on how precise WCS chains on the ground are?

[grizzled maple]

You need dash to use wall cling storage so low% isn't affected

[jagged vault]

I mean like rejumping and redashing

[true palm]

if wall cling storage leads to enough skips then it'd be rerouted

[jagged vault]

Because i’ve hear 1 physics frame tossed around

[grizzled maple]

Well most skips are banned so

[burnt grove]

But I don't want you to see what I teach my animal crossing villagers to say

[grizzled maple]

Like I said the usages allowed are strict

[jagged vault]

But it feels less precise

Yeah the rules restrict the usage of WCS a lot

[grizzled maple]

But also you need dash so you literally can't use any wall cling skips in low% but dash is 3% you dont need to beat the game

[steady lynx]

Did you teach them to say heck?

The emray influence

[snow dome]

Whereas my SMG category? (Some major glitches)

OMG: One major glitch per run

[grizzled maple]

Thats just 1221 nmg

Lever skips

[true palm]

shhhh nobody wants to talk about lever skips

lets keep them as is

[snow dome]

Shade Soul Lever Skip is major, Spire is minor. That's my official ™️ take

[true palm]

imagine having to get elegant key in all skills though

all skills lives on lever skips

[neon island]

Maybe you are just good at wcs!

[gleaming gorge]

[pure vault]

lever skips make the runs better leave them alone (:

[cinder bison]

was thinkin about learning any% but trying to do the wk fight may have convinced me theres not enough time left in the world for me to lol