questions-2

[narrow pier]

OK thank you, I can not use " sehr " alone, ?

and I always get the spelling of ( Video ) wrong, danke

[long whale]

No, "sehr" alone sounds weird here.

[narrow pier]

...

Generally speaking, only subject and object and TEKAMOLO can have position changing,

and these words do not have so much flexibility ? ( Wo - wörter and Da - Wörter ) " Worauf, Worüber, daran usw.. "

[narrow pier]

yeah, I can see that

[narrow pier]

groß and viel, are inflected differently, even though they are both adjectiv

[long whale]

Yes. Because with uncountable words (Spaß, Zeit, Gepäck, Kleidung), "viel" (much) does not get inflected.

[narrow pier]

ok, Thank you so much,

[amber pumice]

Why is this chart using / for Konjunktiv I/II with Futur?

[undone verge]

because the options in the examples are Konjunktiv 1 and 2 respectively

ich werde gehabt haben <-- K1
ich würde gehabt haben <-- K2

[amber pumice]

Danke. I'll make my own chart that separates them better so I don't get confused. @undone verge

[undone verge]

best of luck! But in principle you should recognise that anywhere 'würde' is used is konjunktiv II

[fervent kernel]

What are the portals with job offers in Germany?
I mean even more about services e.g. Hedge cutting etc. Not full time work ( i know ebay Kleinanzeigen already )

[fair plank]

DeutscheJobAgentur.de

[night dagger]

This is a question better suited for #archived-culture-study-visa, but I would suggest indeed.de

[lost parcel]

sich begeben bedeutet "Embark" auf Englisch? , kann jemand bitte das antworten?

[fair plank]

To embark on a ship means auf ein Schiff gehen

To disembar a ship means ein Schiff verlassen

[lost parcel]

Begib dich auf eine emotionale Reise in eine
barbarische Welt und erfahre, was es kostet, deine
Liebsten zu retten.

Was ist das denn?

[fair plank]

Go on an emotional journey in a barbaric World and discover what it costs to save youre loved

Hört sich wie ein komisches Spiel an

[fervent hollow]

Yeah

[lost parcel]

Auf jeden Fall , ich habe schon gezockt und es ist sehr fun

[night dagger]

sich begeben hat mehrere Bedeutungen.

an einen bestimmten Ort, irgendwohin gehen
(in, auf, zu, in)

• ich begebe mich ins Bett
• ich begebe mich auf die Suche
• ich begebe mich zu Bett
• ich muss mich in ärztliche Behandlung begeben

mit etwas beginnen

• ich muss mich an die Arbeit begeben.

auf etwas verzichten

• willst du dich deiner Rechte begeben?

[fair plank]

Das letzte hört sich ganz falsch an

Aber sonst sehr schön

[lost parcel]

Was meinst du?

[fair plank]

Das habe ich noch nie gehört

[merry viper]

Wie ich kommen in der sprach ding

[fair plank]

Ich denke, dass es falsch ist

[lost parcel]

Achso

[night dagger]

hatte mich vertippt

[fair plank]

Ne das: willst du dich deine Rechte begeben.

[whole portal]

vertippen ist reflexiv

[night dagger]

zweimal 😂 danke

[long whale]

auf etw. verzichten = sich einer Sache begeben (Genitiv) -> deiner Rechte ;)

[night dagger]

I‘m too hungover to be typing today apparently 😂

[rare jetty]

Sir, isn't it evening for you by now?

[night dagger]

I live in the states, so it’s only 16:40 here. Was a long night :)

[rare jetty]

Oh damn, respect. Looks like you had fun

[night dagger]

Thanks by the way

[fair plank]

Ich habe das noch nieee so gehört

Was soll denn dis

[rare jetty]

Man lernt nie aus

[merry viper]

wie komm ich in den VC

[rare jetty]

faq vc

[stoic mauve]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[fair plank]

Ich übergebe mich maximal auf einer Sache aus

[long whale]

3 here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/begeben

[fair plank]

Dankee

[proven sphinx]

That doesn't make any sense...

sich übergeben = to vomit

I think you mean something like "Ich versuche, einer Situation das Beste abzugewinnen" or "Ich versuche, das Beste aus einer gegebenen Situation zu machen", meaning "I'm trying to make the best out of a given situation"

[scenic sun]

Hello, how you doing guys?
looking for a double check also an answer for a point that i tried so hard to solve but can't get it tho

Wer sich von der anstrengenden Arbeit erholen möchte, der macht am besten Urlaub. Immer
mehr Menschen können sich heute einen Urlaub leisten (1). Zu einem der beliebtesten Reiseziel gehört Barcelona. Barcelona ist die Hauptstadt (2) von Katalonien, die gilt als zweitgrößte Stadt des Spaniens. Jährlich kommen ca. 16 Millionen Besucher (3) nach Barcelona zu (4) Besuch. Besonders voll ist Barcelona im Sommer und die Strände sind immer von(5) Touristen besetzt. Die Preise für Unterkünfte sind von Mai bis September am höchsten,(6) die Warteschlangen an den Sehenswürdigkeiten ebenso. Wenn Sie Barcelona ohne Touristenmassen erleben möchten, sollen Sie entweder in der vorweihnachtlichen Zeit, oder über Silvester die Stadt besichtigen. Für viele berühmte Sehenswürdigkeiten, wie z.B. Sagrada Familia, Park Gull, usw. bekommt man Tickets (7) wenn man diese im Voraus buchen (8) In Spanien ist der Euro gesetzliche Zahlungsmittel(9) In Barcelona haben **berühmter **(10) Künstler wie Pablo Picasso und Salvador Dali gelebt.

7 is kinda unknown for me also if someone can double check the rest i would appreciate

[delicate tiger]

10 needs a different ending; 7 a form of "einfach"; 8 different form of "buchen"

[scenic sun]

i thought of einfach for 7 actually but then i rulled it out

other alternative that i would include is doch tbh

[long whale]

I'd have chosen "only/nur" for 7. 🤔

[scenic sun]

buchen :: kaufen i say tho included this alternative also

[scenic sun]

dann , bekommt man Tickets nur wenn man diese im Voraus kaufen

or buchen

but can't decide if buchen works here

[long whale]

Either, but you need to change the form. "man" = 3rd person singular!

[scenic sun]

kauft ye i didn't notice it

the rest are fine ye?

except for 10

[long whale]

Looks like it... (I guess the errors in the text got in while you were copying?)

[scenic sun]

nah the text was empty i had to fill the numbers in there

https://prnt.sc/yUaiQcBZloov

[long whale]

That's a bit weird then, because it's "das Zahlungsmittel" -> it should be "gesetzliches" But then again, the 3rd sentence doesn't work at all, so... 🤷

[scenic sun]

well i used the synonym of kommen zu besuch and used besucher according to the context

but it doesn't seem reasonable as you said

[long whale]

No, no, that's fine.

[scenic sun]

oh the 3rd sentence i thought it's the 3rd point

[long whale]

I'm talking about Zu einem der beliebtesten Reiseziel gehört Barcelona

Zu den beliebtesten Reisezielen gehört B. OR Eines der beliebtesten Reiseziele ist B. 🤷

[scenic sun]

yeah i thought of that

if i would say it in english i would say one of the favourite travelling places is BR

so i would use gehören zu + dat

and since it should be die Reiseziele i would turn it to den Reisezielen

i was confused answering it actually

[long whale]

unsurprised

[scenic sun]

a broken text in an exam?

wow

[long whale]

Yes. 👀 Is that from a book?

[scenic sun]

some texts were sent by my friend to practice it and he claimed it's from a book

what do you think of this btw

https://prnt.sc/xzyCVTUHxBn4

my answers were

mir
mich
dir
sich

[long whale]

Your answers are correct. But did you notice? There's also a mistake in there. 🤢

@scenic sun

[scenic sun]

ein paar tage?

same thing i was like why there is an N

also compared it to first sentence if dir changed the following to dativ, shouldn't mir change einen to einem

got what i'm saying?

[long whale]

Ehh - no? What? Ich bestelle mir einem Salat ?

But I just found another one: von vor dem Weihnachtsmann 👀

[scenic sun]

i mean i was like why it's ein paar tagen if dir in the 3rd sentence changed tage to tagen dativ , shouldn't also according to this logic the ** mir** pronom in 1st sentence change einen to einem

[timid vector]

the case of time adverbials are irrelevant to the rest of the sentence btw

[long whale]

shudders No, no. "Tagen" is just wrong, that's all.

[scenic sun]

went to pons and found it versteckt vor also

[latent wadi]

Luftzug, Brise, Windhauch ?

[latent wadi]

Getümmel vs Wirbel

[long whale]

Wouldn't DWDS be actually more helpful to you at this point, and for this kind of thing? What I mean is - Getümmel and Wirbel can be used as synonyms, but Wirbel has about 5 other meanings. Wouldn't you find those interesting, too, at this point?@latent wadi

[shut briar]

Sorry for another why/how question, but how does Geschick mean both skill and fate? Is it a coincidence? And Schicksal is also fate so is geschick some sort of combined fate of many? (Because of ge-)

[long whale]

It's an interesting question. DWDS gives an answer under "Etymologie": https://www.dwds.de/wb/Geschick See if you can make sense of it... ;)

[shut briar]

Hahaha saw that already, can't even understand the English translation 🥲🥲

Apparently geschick and Schicksal are related to verb schicken

[long whale]

Mm... the way I understand it, the root is an old word for "order". So, on the one hand, you get the order things are sent in by god/from above, preordained things, i.e. fate, Schicksal, Geschick. And on the other, you get the ability to do things in an orderly fashion, the way they're supposed to be, geschickt, Geschicklichkeit Does that make sense?

[shut briar]

It does! But where does schicken factor in?

And is there a noticeable difference between meaning or usage of Schicksal and Geschick

[nimble viper]

Du hast mal gehört, über drei Ecken... < Ist das ein Idiom?

[long whale]

Yes. It's usually "um die Ecke", resp. "um 2/3/... Ecken", and it means "not directly (but rather via one or several other people) Does that help?

[long whale]

It seems schicken is the root of that old word for "order". Also, "sich in etwas schicken" = "to bow to something, e.g. fate".

[long whale]

I'd say "Schicksal" is more common, but that's about it.

[shut briar]

Ach so. Also from to bow to something to send an email 😂

[long whale]

Well... DWDS has 2 separate tabs for "schicken" as in "to send" and "sich schicken" (which has other meanings, apart from "to bow to fate") 🤷

[nimble viper]

Yeah that’s how I figured it was being said. A guy was explaining his knowledge of sexual incompetency but was clarifying that this was surely second-hand knowledge

Thanks!

[narrow pier]

Hello, I have an exam in two days, and have wrote three emails,

80words, 80 words, 40 words,

Does someone want to get in the study groups, for helping with writing,

I don't know about writing, when do people have free time, which I totally understand,

But I posted something in the writing,

Someone corrected it, but then I asked some small questions about corrections, sadly they did not reply to me,

[nimble viper]

I can help u out for the next 15 minutes if you are still here

[narrow pier]

yes

[nimble viper]

Dm me whatever

[narrow pier]

get in study group?

[nimble viper]

sure

[fervent kernel]

1. habe ich dich schon einmal gesehen? oder 2. hab ich dich schon einmal gesehen?

[long whale]

2 is just the colloquial form of 1. ;)

[timid vector]

or schon mal for more colloquial (?)

schomal

[cobalt inlet]

Hello i’m one of beginner german learner can i ask?

What’s the different between mein and meine?

[timid vector]

faq gender

[stoic mauve]

Grammatical gender

German nouns are sorted in three different genders: masculine, neuter and feminine. These have nothing to do with sex or social gender.
The first thing genders will influence are articles like der, das, die. Each word has its own and you better get it right: some words that look identical can have different meanings depending on the gender they're used with. For example:
die Band = the (musical) band,
der Band = the (book) volume,
das Band = the tape.

Some words, mainly trademarks and loanwords, have multiple acceptable genders while having no change in meaning:
der Jogurt = das Jogurt
das Virus = der Virus
These may vary by region or colloquiality.

💢 But WHY, German, WHY ⁉
Gender is actually quite useful! Since sentence structure is less rigid than in English, grammatical case helps you tell the various elements apart (with some practice), and that works through genders: each gender has its own forms, which makes everything a little less ambiguous. Besides, as you've seen with Band above, it allows us to make up words with different meanings that look the same but are not ambiguous, and if that's not magic, I don't know what is. ✨

🙀 But how am I supposed to tell them apart? 🙀
Check out >explain gender patterns. 😉

[timid vector]

@cobalt inlet maybe this helps

[narrow pier]

Hello, selber has no conjugations right? or how would it be conjugated

it can even be used for plurals?

Die Leute brauchen Zeit **für **selber, das bedutet selbstfürsorge

( deepl seems to use " sich" between the **für **and selber)

so his self, himself, herself, its sich selbst?

also google gives me this:

Nominativ ** das selbe**
Genitiv des selben
Dativ dem selben
Akkusativ das selbe

, but it does not contaion selbst, are they different?

[fair plank]

Sich selber is right

And also the translation

But idk the difference between sich selbst and sich selber

Müsste das gleiche sein

Egal ob:
Man selber muss oder man selbst muss...

[undone verge]

selbst is formally correct, selber is more umgangssprachlich

[fair plank]

Exactly

[narrow pier]

I have a question please?

should it always be used with sich?

how do his self and themselves work, is deepls translation accurate?

[undone verge]

I do not understand the english sentence

but no, selber and selbst are not always used with sich

[fair plank]

You can also say: Ich selbst/selber finde/denke...

Oder ich habe mich selber/selbst nass gemacht

[undone verge]

ich habe es selber gemacht = I did it myself
also just read your above message. Note that something like 'dasselbe' or dieselben is not the same as 'selber' meaning oneself

[fair plank]

Woher kennst du die ganze Grammatik 😲

[narrow pier]

how can I specifically study that, what should I search for, if you know?

if figured

You should do it yourselves = Ihr sollen es euch selbst machen

[undone verge]

here without 'euch'

ihr sollt es selbst machen

[fair plank]

Ihr sollt es euch selber machen heißt was komplett sexuelles

[narrow pier]

where can I learn it please?

where have you learned grammer, you answer the most specific questions

[undone verge]

you could just search up 'selbst/selber deutsche Grammatik' or something

[narrow pier]

warum??

[undone verge]

but the phenomenon is quite...idk like informal. So you could also just learn it by exposure.

[fair plank]

Idk if I am allowed to write it here

[narrow pier]

dm?

[undone verge]

I learned grammar with Grammatik Aktiv and a few other books, as well as online resources and spending time in these very channels. A lot of questions get asked over and over again and you pick up new tidbits along the way 😄

grammar is something you can learn from a book, unlike Sprachgefühl 😭

[narrow pier]

yeah I agree

I think that grammer aktiv book is A1-C1, meaning its probably four or five books, but I guess that one way to learn most of the important grammers

[undone verge]

it is only 2 volumes. One for A1-B1 and one for B2-C1. I only used the latter, but it covered a lot and had some really great exercises

even though vocab and idiomatic phrases were far from the point of that book, I learned a lot of that too just from the practice exercises

[narrow pier]

I wish I had not spent that much money on German grammer review and German hammer, they are literally for someone who has studied the language, and I find them very confusing

[narrow pier]

Danke für deine Vorschalg

[undone verge]

oof yeah that sucks :/ I also never use Hammer's. I know it's supposed to be good but it's more like a reference book than a learning tool

[narrow pier]

Yeah I totally agree

[narrow pier]

Hello, there is this process where you, turn your digital picture onto a paper, I do not know what its called either or english or german,

And I know its not paper,

But whats it called please?

To film a picture ??

[proven sphinx]

It's pronounced like in French in German.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/De-Cousin.ogg

[proven sphinx]

Printing? I don't know a different word for it. You just print out a picture.

Ein Foto ausdrucken

[narrow pier]

That may be it

[undone verge]

in english we can say 'getting a photo developed'

that is where you give film to someone and they take it to a black room and put it to paper. The process is related to film but you'll still hear it used with digital photos just because people call the whole process that

[proven sphinx]

I don't think that's what they meant, though.

And it's not something a lot of people do these days anyway.

[undone verge]

it may not be what they meant, just trying to throw out some terms that may spark their memory

[proven sphinx]

I had a photography class in secondary school, so I did get to develop some photos for real.

[narrow pier]

Thank you so much

[narrow pier]

That was what Ieant actually

[narrow pier]

So its ( ein Foto entwicklen lassen ) according to deepl, is this correct ?

[proven sphinx]

Yes, that is correct.

[undone verge]

I am not sure about what it is in german 🙈

[proven sphinx]

entwickeln

[narrow pier]

Danke

[proven sphinx]

Ein Foto entwickeln lassen

[timid vector]

hm? I'm gonna go get my photos developed. Where can I get my photos developed? I'm getting our photos from the wedding developed. makes sense to me

[undone verge]

yes...

that is why I brought it up

[timid vector]

omg I read can't lmao

mb

[undone verge]

np

[idle heron]

why cant i enter the voice chas

[stoic mauve]

@idle heron, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[boreal onyx]

does this make sense: ich wäre aufgewacht, wenn meiner Wecker funktioniert würde

[rare jetty]

Ich wäre aufgewacht, wenn mein Wecker funktioniert hätte

[boreal onyx]

oh right thank you

[steel patrol]

Should the word "Beschäftigung" as a noun only be understood to mean "employment" (that being a job you do to earn a living and thus get paid for), or can it also mean being in education/training, doing the occasional gig (with or without compensation), or even working on personal projects, etc.? I'm just wondering because I'm already used to the phrase "sich mit etwas beschäftigen" and know that it typically expresses being busy with sth./spending time on sth. in a pretty broad sense - But in this case I'm not sure.

[long whale]

Yes, it depends on context. If somebody's recently retired, and they're bored out of their wits, you'd recommend "Er/Sie braucht eine Beschäftigung", "Er/Sie sollte sich eine Beschäftigung suchen", i.e. they need some kind of hobby, volunteer work, project.

[steel patrol]

Ah excellent, that's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for. Thank you!

[nimble viper]

darf man sagen, dass man was zu sagen meinte?

wie auf Englisch

Ich gehe davon aus, die Antwört wäre nein, doch falls Sie mich bzgl 'wie auf Englisch' richtig verstanden haben, könnten Sie mir die richtige Äußerung erklären? danke

[long whale]

No. The German version is "Ich will/wollte [damit] sagen..." or "Was ich [damit] sagen will/wollte..."

Please don't post the same question in more than one channel. People may not realize it's been answered in a different channel -> waste of time and effort.

[stray ingot]

I'm sorry. I forgot to delete it. It won't happen again. Sorry

[long whale]

Thanks!

[nimble viper]

Danke schön. Ich hoffe übrigens, dass es dir gut geht. 🙂

[tender dagger]

Ich würde sagen, es ist nicht falsch, sondern eher falsch formuliert. Ich höre/ sage auch viel "Was ich [damit] meine/meinte..."

[long whale]

Ah, well, yes, in that case - I thought they wanted to say Ich meinte zu sagen, which...

Go ahead, you ping them, will you?

[tender dagger]

und tatsächlich würde ich auch nicht "Was ich damit meinte zu sagen war..." auch nicht als falsch empfinden

vllt nur etwas umständlich formuliert

[long whale]

Well, that... on the other hand... no. IMO, it really doesn't work. 🤷

[tender dagger]

i guess per definiton

but in a conversation I wouldnt really find it weird to hear

[native wren]

how do you differentiate der das die in food and animals?

[tender dagger]

i think there are general rules for articles, but mostly its just remembering them

really

[native wren]

i seeee thanks ^^

[maiden badge]

What do "lieblichen Rotwein" and "trockenen Rotwein" mean? I translated and googled it, still have no idea what they are except that they're Red wine 😕

[tender dagger]

they are defined by the amount of rest sugar it contains

[maiden badge]

Lieblichen is sweeter than trockenen?

[tender dagger]

yes

well more rest sugar

idk how that affects the taste of wine, but thats the assumption xd

[tender dagger]

well i asked a friend and he wouldnt have picked it out as a mistake

[maiden badge]

Gotcha. Danke schön ✨

[tender dagger]

as i said, even if its wrong (which might be the case idk), to me it doesnt sound that off

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[tender dagger]

there is "trocken, halbtrocken, lieblich, süß"

its just the spectrum

[tender dagger]

@nimble viper

[junior flame]

In diesem Satz " Er darf sich von Pekings kalkuliertenn Drohungen nicht beeindrucken lassen.

Does beeindrucken have a negetive connotation here?

Normally it means " to impress", isn't it?

[tender dagger]

It basically means "He is not impressed"

i dont know what you mean with the negative connotation

[junior flame]

Let me write the complete sentence

Wer Taiwans Freiheit bewahren will, braucht Standhaftigkeit und darf sich von Pekings kalkulierten Drohungen nicht beeindrucken lassen.

[junior flame]

I meant that usually "eindrucken" means "to impress", but in this sentence "impress" doesn't suit. So is "undertaken" used in any other context differently than " impress"

[tender dagger]

mhm

well lets take the definition of the verb "beeindrucken": make a strong impression, have a lasting effect (on someone)

think of it more that way

so "to be affected" might be a better translation

or to affect

in that sense you are right, "beeindrucken" can be used in a negative context

[proven sphinx]

Ich habe gerade jemanden ein Wort benutzen gehört, dass ich noch nie in meinem Leben gehört hatte. Es klang wie "klamauklich", aber ich kann überhaupt nichts dazu auf Google finden. Was könnte das denn wohl für ein Wort sein? Klamauglich? Klamauklich? Klamauklig? Keine Ahnung. Irgendwie so etwas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx54EJP_uzo

7:51. Vielleicht versteht ihr ja, was zur Hölle er wohl gemeint hat.

[rare jetty]

@proven sphinx

Goofy ahh

[proven sphinx]

Ach so...

Danke. Höre ich wirklich zum ersten Mal. 😂

[rare jetty]

Ich auch, um ehrlich zu sein

[proven sphinx]

Na ja, er braucht relativ oft einige recht anspruchsvolle Wörter, also überrascht mich das nicht.

[tender dagger]

ich kenne das wort klamauk

[nocturne cloak]

Man kennt es aus der TV Spielfilm

[proven sphinx]

Es ist tatsächlich etwas, was man über Filme oder Serien sagt.

[narrow pier]

Hello, how do you say, this, I am not sure how would you say it in nor in english, neither in German .

A-I am studying for nurse

Or
B-I am studying nursery at University

Or
C-I am studying for nursery at University.

Or

D- I am a nurse student

Would this deepls translation be correct?

1-Ich studiere Krankenpfleger an der Universität

Or

2-Ich bin Krankenpfleger Student an der Bobialo Universität

[timid vector]

1 Krankenpflege* without the r

[tender dagger]

Im studying to become a nurse or im studying nursing

[nimble viper]

Ye saw, will stick with Susana’s recommendation thanks

[fervent kernel]

1."Laura hat das Geld auf den Tisch vergessen" oder 2. "Laura hat das Geld auf dem Tisch vergessen" ?

[long whale]

Where did she leave it? (Not "Where to/Towards where?) -> Dativ. ;)

[fervent kernel]

[fervent kernel]

so with "dem" right?

[fair plank]

Yes

[fervent kernel]

so can I say: Laura verliert das Geld auf dem Tisch ?

[fair plank]

Ja

[fervent kernel]

what about: Laura liegt das Geld auf dem Tisch ?

[fair plank]

Laura legt*

Aber ja

Geht auch

[delicate tiger]

*legt; auf den (where to)

[fervent kernel]

So:
Laura legt das Geld auf den Tisch
Laura verliert das Geld auf dem Tisch
??

to me that does not make sense, why is that

[long whale]

There is movement involved with "legen": money -> table. That's why it's Akkusativ. Whereas with "vergessen" (or even "verlieren", to lose), there is no movement, that's why they work with Dativ.

[fervent kernel]

i have to marry you susana, dankeschön

[patent urchin]

Ich fühle mich als ich alles vergessen habe.

is tihs sentence right?

Ich fühle mich wie ich alles vergessen habe.

how about this one ? 😄

[long whale]

https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/englisch-deutsch/as+if?bidir=1 ;)

[patent urchin]

sorry, still don't know the right answer

[long whale]

Did you read beyond the first couple of lines? Because it says on that page: it seems as if [or as though] [or ugs like] ...
es scheint [o. hat den Anschein] , als ob ...

[patent urchin]

so it should be Ich fühle mich als ob ich alles vergessen habe

thanks

[nova sparrow]

Better even: als ob ich alles vergessen hätte

because als ob tells. that you are not so sure about your memory loss

[narrow pier]

Ich beharre auf meinen Gedank und meinen Meinungen

So would ( beharren ) work, I am trying to understand its meaning,

The way I understood was, to remain by your beliefs,to be firm on something,.

I do not know in how many contexts and which other meanings it has, thank you

[long whale]

*Gedanken - ye-e-es... it implies some stubborness, pig-headedness. "Alle haben ihm gesagt, dass das so nicht funktioniert. Aber er beharrte darauf."

[narrow pier]

Also, Ich beharre bei meinem Entschluss. Niemand darf mein recht, meine Wille nehmen. Ich beharre auf meine Willen und mein Recht ( also true )?

[narrow pier]

Okay, I understand

[long whale]

beharren auf... And there are various ending and case mistakes in this one.

[narrow pier]

So many verbs are used with a preposition ? Its common now I think

It seams like its mainly used with auf, because in yoir example, you also used ( darauf ), which has "auf" inside it

[charred fog]

would als hätte ich alles vergessen work as well?

[long whale]

Yes.

[narrow pier]

Auf would be dativ here, and I used accusativ, that why its wrong?

[long whale]

That's one of the things which are wrong, yes.

[narrow pier]

Ich beharre bei meinem Entschluss. Niemand darf mein Recht, meine Willen nehemn. Ich beharre auf meinen Willen und meinem Recht

[long whale]

auf. auf. auf...

😿

[narrow pier]

But in dwds I saw

[long whale]

auf etwas beharren

[narrow pier]

What what was written ( bei meinem Entschluss)

[long whale]

Okay. Fine.

Also, Ich beharre bei meinem Entschluss. Niemand darf mir mein Recht, meinen Willen nehmen. Ich beharre auf meinem Willen und meinem Recht ( also true )?

[long whale]

Because "to take something away from someone" = jemandem etwas nehmen

[long whale]

Yes. I checked. You're right. That's why I wrote "Okay. Fine." 🤷

Above, I also corrected all the missing endings.

[narrow pier]

Okay, so did not know if (dürfen ) can have also a dativ object. And in Leo.dict it say

Der Wille ( or rarely der Willen ) so Willen can sometimes singular and commonly plural.

You used the Willen as in singular?

[narrow pier]

I wanted to show it, Thank youu

[long whale]

"der Wille" is commonly only used in singular. Here's the declination (ignore their plural forms): https://www.verbformen.de/deklination/substantive/Wille.htm

[narrow pier]

So here after "darf"when you used (meinen Willen) that would be ( Akkusativ maskulin ) ? It can not be dativ plural

[long whale]

Correct.

[narrow pier]

But why isn't it ( meinen Wille ) 🥲🥲,

Because ( Akkusativ maskulin singular ) have to be jsed here right, and its ( der Wille ),

I am very confused

[long whale]

#questions-2 message

[narrow pier]

So ( der Wille and der Willen ) are both singular and in the websites example

(Er hat einen starken Willen. ) he used Willen, like you did

[long whale]

Yes. That might be because, as I said, the plural is practically never used. But I really don't know. Maybe it's just an exception. 🤷

[proven sphinx]

It's rarely used in the plural even in English, since "wills" makes me think more of "last will/testament" than anything else.

[smoky wigeon]

Is this grammatically correct?
Ich möchte spaghetti essen und cola trinken bitte.

[proven sphinx]

It's technically grammatically correct, but no one would say it like that. I assume this is meant to be you ordering something at a restaurant?

"Ich hätte gerne Spaghetti und eine Cola."

That's how you'd usually say it if you're ordering something.

[nova sparrow]

hmm 🤔 , to me me it sounds more than weird "beharren bei..." 😱
I have searched around a bit and found that "beharren bei.." is seldom used
If I were to use bei meinem Entschschluss I would say Ich bleibe bei... @narrow pier

[narrow pier]

Oh ok, Thank you, that (bleibe bei) was also in dwds

[charred harbor]

Apparently in Austrian German it’s “ein Cola”

Because people there tend to say “das Cola”

[tame beacon]

Are you sure? Because I am half Austrian and I've never noticed that

[proven sphinx]

Dude, I thought you were Serbian? Are you like Serbian-Swiss-Austrian all in one?

[brisk bloom]

3 in 1 Sparpaket

[rare jetty]

Mans casually switching teams

[tame beacon]

Yeah

[tame beacon]

Jetzt zuschlagen!

[proven sphinx]

Like, one parent is Serbian, the other parent is Austrian and they both live in Switzerland?

[tame beacon]

Exactly

[proven sphinx]

I see.

[brisk bloom]

Hast du eine Brille? Dann lohnt sich das wenigstens für (neue) Kontaktlinsen

[tame beacon]

🤦‍♂️😂

Nicht so zuschlagen

[brisk bloom]

Wollt nur meine unschätzbare Hilfe anbieten 😂 😝

[delicate tiger]

bedeutet zwei unterschiedliche Dinge, was willst du denn sagen?

[fervent kernel]

Ist richtig, Er hat mich gelassen,?

[serene slate]

If you’re going for the end to a relationship maybe:
Er hat mit mir Schluss gemacht.
oder
Er hat sich von mir getrennt.

If you wanted to say leave I think
Er hat mich verlassen
sounds better

I believe lassen is more to leave something, in the sense like,
Ich habe das Ding auf dem Tisch gelassen

?

[long whale]

Er hat mich gelassen -> colloquially "He let me [do whatever it was I wanted to do]" ;)

[serene slate]

yeah to leave or to let

[smoky wigeon]

Thanks! Yes it's for ordering.
Any tips would you give as today is test for A1

Anyone?!

[charred harbor]

Zum Beispiel: Heißt es nun „die“ Coca‑Cola oder „das“ Coca‑Cola? Um es kurz zu machen: Es geht beides. In Süddeutschland, Österreich und in der Schweiz gilt es vor allem „das Coca‑Cola“ herüberzureichen, im sonstigen deutschsprachigen Gebiet ist „die Coca‑Cola“ üblich. Der Duden legt sich übrigens auch nicht fest.

Wiktionary lists two forms too

[tame beacon]

Ok👍🏻

[charred harbor]

I find it kinda interesting tbh

Fanta has the exact same thing too apparently

[tame beacon]

That's really confusing😂

[charred harbor]

Even more confusing is that “das Schorle” is technically valid

“Ich trinke ein Apfelschorle” sounds weird af to me but it’s technically correct

[rugged swift]

Thats one of the things that are correct, but you will never ever hear someone say that

[stoic mauve]

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Hello everyone. I have a question please. So what is the difference between “an” and “zu” in German Language. From what I’ve got from my lecturer is that they mean: at. However why we can say for instance: ich bin an der Uni. And not: ich bin zur Uni?

Oct 20, 2022, 11:01 AM

[long whale]

@gaunt shadow There is rarely a 1:1 translation for prepositions, I'm afraid. ;)

[nimble viper]

@long whale Hätten sie Zeit, mir mit etwas Deutsches zu helfen? Bzw. Ich muss ein paar gute Adjektive ausdenken, doch ich fühle mein Wortschatz ist noch nicht genügend weit dafür gekommen

Um meine Personalität zu beschreiben

Ich weiß man kann sie übersetzen aber ich gehe davon aus, dass es Einige im Deutschen gibt, die einfach nicht so häufig verbreitet im Englischen sind und auf diese Weise was auch immer ich ins Deutsche übersetze, wäre es nicht ganz authentisch

zB Sagt man eher freundlich oder sympathisch, um eine allgemein nette Person zu beschreiben?

Ich will mich einfach auf natürliche Weise vorstellen können, was für eine Person ich bin usw

[long whale]

meine Personalität Persönlichkeit OR meinen Charakter - freundlich ~ kind (the way you are); sympathisch (the way other people see you)

[nimble viper]

Danke. Was sind Ihrer Meinung nach andere gebräuchlichen Adjektive, die ich benutzen könnte (je nachdem, wer ich eigentlich bin), wenn ich mich beschreibe?

[long whale]

*gebräuchliche (no -n) - Well... how about you choose some, tell me what you think they mean, or what you would like them to mean, and then, I can try to help you further? I mean, how would I know whether you're an animal lover (tierlieb), or hard-working (fleißig)?

[nimble viper]

Sure

[nimble viper]

How could I improve these?

Selbstständig (independent)
Selbstmotiviert (self-motivated)
Meinungsstark (opinionated)
Direkt (direct; to the point that it is sometimes unhöflich).
Launig (witty; perhaps even sarkastisch so?)
Raffiniert (sophisticated; maybe gehoben?)

Brackets show what I am aiming to say from english. Happy to recieve corrections or even just better adjectives to use.

Is it too much to call myself a Luftikus as well?

[long whale]

selbständig; motiviert (no self/selbst in German); eigensinnig; sehr direkt, fast schon unhöflich; witzig, vielleicht sogar ein bißchen sarkastisch; gewandt. Note: both "launig" and "Luftikus" are very dated. Also, "Luftikus" means a person you definitely wouldn't want to do any business whatsoever with, they'd be likely to spend other people's money - on top of their own - on horse-racing and/or caviar.

[nimble viper]

xD

Wow, thanks for the words though!

[long whale]

Feel free to ask if you don't understand why I chose X over Y when cross-checking. ;)

[nimble viper]

I have an unrelated question actually,

This is easily translatable but I don't want to say the wrong word for this, as there are often synonyms for it in English:
Just wanting to talk about languages native to a land before it was colonised etc., so native or indigenous languages. Is the best expression for these: indigene Sprachen?

I am also recommended: Eingeborenensprachen

[fair plank]

Eingeborenensprachen is not really used in Germany

Das beste wäre die Indigene Sprache oder generell einfach ihre Sprache

[nimble viper]

Thanks

Just one more (sorry!)

I want to say 'word of mouth' and this word Mundpropaganda keeps popping up. I think it's too negative for what I'm saying. Namely, that information is passed down through talking, over a long period of time (information of a Mundart). I might have the wrong word in english too

[long whale]

I think you do, yes. "Mundpropaganda" is not negative at all, I feel - I mean, when you've got a product which is so excellent, it kind of sells itself, because everybody who's ever bought it keeps raving about it - you get my drift? So, what is it you're trying to say about a dialect/Mundart?

[nimble viper]

That the words of the dialect are passed down through talking and not writing

[long whale]

mündliche Weitergabe [über Generationen hinweg], mündlich weitergegeben

[nimble viper]

Something like: Wie man die Mundart spricht, wird einem durch Reden beigebracht

Ah, so something like: Diese Mundart wird mündlich weitergegeben?

[long whale]

Yeah... well... Maybe... something like "Diese Mundart wird in den Familien gepflegt/gesprochen und so [an die Kinder] weitergegeben" How about that?

[nimble viper]

That's perfect! thanks

[tranquil flower]

Mündliche Überlieferung

•https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_tradition

•https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mündliche_Überlieferung

[long whale]

Yes, I was aware of that. However, I didn't feel it would work very well with a dialect. ;)

[tranquil flower]

Understood. 😅 Thank you!

[smoky wigeon]

Hallo!
I speak English and little german and Japanese. So is it okay to say
Ich spreche English und ein bisschen Deutsch und Japanese. Or
Ich spreche English und ein bisschen Deutsch und ein bisschen Japanese.
Which one is correct?

[charred harbor]

You should be using the German words for English and Japanese

English is Englisch and Japanese is Japanisch

Ich spreche Englisch, ein bisschen Deutsch und ein bisschen Japanisch

That’s how I’d do it

[smoky wigeon]

Ohh! Thanks!!!

[jagged briar]

is "Das ist nicht wirklich." a sentence that german people would say? if not, what would be an appropriate way to say "This isn't real."?

[long whale]

It would depend on context. As a default word, you can use "real" (same as in English, but very different pronunciation).

[jagged briar]

there wasn't really a given context, but if i wanted to say that some knock-off version of something that i got was not genuine, would it be appropriate to say "das ist nicht wirklich"? i have ben told that this isn't really how german people speak, but am unsure due to conflicting sources

[long whale]

Ah - in that case, if it only looked like gold/silver, for example, or as if it were an expensive brand, you'd use "echt" (= genuine, but also has other uses).

"wirklich" totally wouldn't work in that kind of context, no.

[jagged briar]

thank you thank you

[long whale]

I mean - but this is a little complicated - you'd have to be really careful about structure: "Das ist nicht wirklich (not really) Cognac" or "Das ist kein echter (not genuine) Cognac" - if this is too much information, just forget about it for the moment, okay?

[jagged briar]

i guess the first one implies that it isn't supposed to be cognac, but the second implies that it is a fake version of cognac?

idk if im completely off the rails tbh

[long whale]

It feels as if they pretty much mean the same - I mean, do you see a whole lot of difference between "This isn't really Cognac" and "This isn't real/genuine Cognac"?

[tropic thistle]

I think in the second case (the English case corresponding to "kein echter") there's a slightly stronger hint that it is supposed to be real cognac — at least e.g. if we're talking about a cup of colored water used for a stage production, for instance, it would feel much more natural to describe it as "not really" cognac, vs. "not real cognac" more naturally encompassing situations in which counterfeiting or trademark/DOP restrictions meant that it was some sort of alcohol with cognac-like properties.

it's very weak, though, and I think it has a lot to do with the fact that echt in this case can span an English semantic field from real to genuine (only the latter of which obligatorily carries that counterfeiting/DOP implication)

[long whale]

Mm, I see what you mean. So, I guess for the purposes of answering OP's question, I think we can agree it's pretty similar to the German sentences, then? @jagged briar

[warped spear]

are these question just about grammar?

[tropic thistle]

yes, for the purposes of the OP's question I think there's a broad similarity! sorry for the distraction 🙂

[tropic thistle]

if you mean in this channel (and also in questions), it tends to be about grammar and also sometimes vocabulary clarification (although often for vocabulary question the first advice is "have you checked a dictionary?"—if a poster has checked and is confused by the multiple meanings people can often help with that)

[warped spear]

@tropic thistle oh ok I was searching somewhere to. ask question related to tourism

[tropic thistle]

i think generally the advice for that is to use #archived-culture-study-visa

[long whale]

No, no, no need to apologize. I wanted some input, so, thank you for that. ❤️

[smoky wigeon]

Thank you very much for your precious help!!!
Just Finished German A1 test! It was a blast!!!🔥🔥
Glad was able to find this group!

[tiny parrot]

Does it change from "dein" to "deinen" when the sentence is stating something is actively doing something? Like "magst du deinen chef?" where I guess it is asking if you actively like your boss? Or "Ich muss meinen pullover waschen" As if I'm actively washing my sweater?

[cedar breach]

In questions you sometimes say "deinen" like: Magst du deinen Chef? or sometimes: Ist dein Chef hier?, so if the word is at the start say :Dein Boss ist nicht nett. But it really depends because it can also be: Ich mag deinen Chef nicht. ( realized I made a little mistake sorry)

[tiny parrot]

Ahh ok, thank you!

[foggy mist]

it's not about whether it is happening right now or if it happened yesterday, if that is what you mean!

The term for this is called: "the direct object of the verb"
some verbs can take a direct object. It is logiclly : "the noun who is being [verb]ed"

Ich mag deinen Chef. = the person I like, the noun being [like]ed
Ich wasche meinen Pullover = the thing I am washing, the noun being [wash]ed
Ich habe gestern deinen Chef angerufen = the person I called yesterday, the noun being [call]ed

You can find a verb's object with the question: "Who or what is being [verb]ed?"
another example: "Ich esse." I am eating. What am I eating? I didn't say! So there is no object in the sentence: "Ich esse."

Also, it does not matter what position the word is in the sentence (as the other user suggested)

Ich mag deinen Chef. ✅
Deinen Chef mag ich. ✅

ALSO: this change is only made with masculine nouns : )

[cedar breach]

Oh thats how the question was meant! I understood it differently.

[tiny parrot]

OMG TYSM! You have no idea how much ive been scratching my head at this one for. Thank youu!!

You explained it perfectly

also the last part of the word order makes me feel better, the word order of a sentence can be really confusing and new to a native english speaker. obviously some sentences you have to word order differently but its cool that can make sense too

[tiny parrot]

Sorry to ask another question but I can't seem to find the verb in "Ich habe eine katze und einen fisch" You dont have to answer but im just confused

[foggy mist]

oh no worries the verb here is hard to spot it's: "haben"

[tiny parrot]

Ohhhh

[foggy mist]

you can usually find the verb in a German statement in the second position

that is where it belongs in a declaritive full sentence

[tiny parrot]

So would "haben deinen mutter eine katze?" be correct?

Ohhh let me change it to deinen vater

because it doesnt change with feminine

[foggy mist]

ahh yes so it's masculine, good idea.
So, there are still a few things we have to clarify:

and the first thing i want to point out is actually something in English
say we are talking about a male person
when he is the actor of what is happening, the guy doing it, we use the word : "he"

he does something,
he has a cat, two dogs and also a pet lizard
he travels the world

when he is the object of what is happening, we use the word : "him"

I like him.
I called him yesterady.
Stop eating him!!!

so this "deinen" word is used when he is the object, so it is
logically sort of like "your" but when it's "him"

I like him - Ich mag deinen Vater
I called him yesterday - Ich habe gestern deinen Vater angerufen.

dein Vater hat eine Katze - your father has a cat - he the person doing the verb, the person having a cat
Ich habe deinen Vater. - I have your father. I AM HOLDING him hostage!

this is why you would ask here:
"Hat dein Vater eine Katze?"

because he is the one who has

and the object, the noun he has, is a cat
Right? because:
What does he have? a cat
and not:
What does the cat have? him=?

and of course the verb changes when you mean one noun

er hat - he has

and multiple nouns

they have - sie haben

[tiny parrot]

Again! Thank you so much! This is honestly so cool youre explaining all of this to me, thinking it of "him" in you form makes it so much easier ty ty ty

Ahh so sie can be "she" singular and she plural?

[charred fog]

this is a technically correct way to ask if a cat has your father but nobody would say it using that word order

[tiny parrot]

Wait nvm im asking too many questions you odnt have to answer

[charred fog]

what's she plural?

[tiny parrot]

sie? i guess?

They have would be sie haben right?

[charred fog]

sie can mean a lot of things

[foggy mist]

it's true they are the same word -
we can only tell the difference by the verb

sie hat - ( she has )

sie haben - ( they have )

then we also use "Sie haben", capitalised, in formal speech.
We basically address formal Mr. and Ms. Lastname people as "they" when we speak to them directly but CAPTILISE the first letter in writing to indicate that this is formal

"Möchten Sie etwas trinken, der Herr?"
Would They like something to drink, sir?
(= it means you, Would you like something to drink, sir?)

[tiny parrot]

Ohh so it's up to context sort of, like a lot of english words to determine the meaning of sie

[charred fog]

sie can be translated as 6 different English words: she, her, they, them, you, it (for feminine nouns)

[tiny parrot]

Damn- i chose this path learning german

jk ofc i love german you guys have such a beautiful language

im enjoying learning more and thank you guys a lot for answeing all of my questions i understand alot more now

[foggy mist]

Sie ist klug - She is smart
Julia? Ich mag sie - I like her
Sie sind kluge Kinder - They are smart kids
Die Beatles? Ich mag sie - I like them
Herr Petersen, Sie sind klug. - Mr. Petersen, you are smart.
Ich hole sie. I'll get it (referring to the remote control: die Fernbedienung)

😵

💫

[tiny parrot]

It's going to be an accomplishment being fluent in german

Where are you from in germany btw? (just curious)

oder Österreich oder Schweiz

[charred fog]

libya

[foggy mist]

hmm somewhere boring in the middle of Germany 🙃

[tiny parrot]

Oh nice, what brought you to learning german?

[charred fog]

I'm not German

[tiny parrot]

Haha all of deutschland ist schön

[charred fog]

it started because my parents wanted me to go to university in germany but now learning languages is just a hobby that I enjoy

[tiny parrot]

Cool, so youre learning other languages too?

[charred fog]

yeah I'm a beginner at Spanish now

[tiny parrot]

Thats so cool

[steel patrol]

Is "Auseinandersetzung" basically a more polite, delicate way to say "STREIT"?

[long whale]

Mm... I'd say "Auseinandersetzung" is more like "controversy", while "Streit" is more like "verbal fight" -> you're probably right. 🤔

[steel patrol]

So just to confirm, "Auseinandersetzung" is about two or more people disagreeing on a topic, but it's more likely to be done in fairly civilised manner, with both parties letting the other person present their arguments, possibly without interrupting and/or swearing - something like that?:)

[foggy mist]

I would say I agree with this, an Auseinandersetzung is more about just, having different opinions,
while a Streit is a fight

but essentially the same thing

[steel patrol]

I see, thanks Liebelle and Susana 🌺

[foggy mist]

though, you can also have a very ugly and uncivilised difference of opinion 😅

[oak prawn]

Hello, how can i correct a paragraph in German? Anyone knows a site or a book that could help to write better? Thank you !

[tranquil flower]

#resources message

[analog sequoia]

Hello everyone, could someone help me to practice my basic German introduction pronunciation? It's really basic it shouldn't take long.

[acoustic breach]

You could try recording yourself and send into #pronunciation

Or ask for someone in #beginner-german or #german-only

[analog sequoia]

Will do, thanks for the tip

[night dagger]

#pronunciation

[ripe garden]

hii, does "funf tageszeiten/uhrzeiten " mean only 5 times of the day (d.h. 11 Uhr, von ... bis ...) or does it include durations like eine Stunde as well?

[long whale]

No duration - fünf/fuenf (the dots aren't just decorative elements, they mean it's an entirely different letter)

[quiet wren]

an dem der letzte stern stirbt
I put it into google translate and I can understand the meaning of the whole sentence, and I understand the last 2 words, but can someone explain why the rest of the sentence is organized like this?
(For context the entire sentence is "es wird der tag kommen, an dem der letzte stern stirbt")

[timid vector]

Es wird der Tag kommen - The day will come (es here doesn't mean anything, it just allows you to postpone the position of der Tag)
, an dem (Tag) der letzte Stern stirbt - on which the last star dies

In english it would idomatically be
The day will come where the last star dies, but german just formulates it formally differently

[quiet wren]

ye

I get the "es wird der tag kommen" part

but I don't quite understand why it's "an dem der "

[timid vector]

well first off capitalize your nouns

makes it easier (and it's wrong not to)

did my inclusion of what dem refers to not help?

[quiet wren]

I suppose

[timid vector]

An diesem Tag stirbt der letzte Stern
Der Tag (dieser Tag), an dem (diesem) [der letzte Stern] stirbt

do you know what relative clauses are or no

[quiet wren]

I don't

[timid vector]

well that's why you don't understand it

try reading the dartmouth page about them

The man who is tall
Der Mann, der groß ist

clause that further describes a noun

or phrase

[quiet wren]

OHH

an dem is describing the previously referred to day

[timid vector]

yes

[quiet wren]

okay

[quiet wren]

can you please send a link to it

[timid vector]

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/WordOrder/relatives.html

[quiet wren]

thanks

[fervent kernel]

Hey guys. I'm a rural American trying to learn German. My college doesn't offer it, but I was wondering if anyone has any opinions on Babbel as a learning medium?

[night dagger]

I'm also an American learning German. I used babbel once and found it to be ok, overall not impressed (maybe it's slightly better than Duolingo though, not sure). Would definitely recommend other resources, like these here: #resources.

[fading prawn]

hello does "Gestern habe ich ..." mean the same as "Ich habe gestern ..." ?

[night dagger]

Yes

The only difference is the emphasis.

[fading prawn]

nice thanks

[fervent kernel]

Thanks for the reply, liebl. I'll be sure to check those out. My hope is that after practicing long enough, I can convince my institution to provide me with a language proficiency test so that I can earn credits towards my degree. I've always wanted to learn German, but my backwater location doesn't have a ton of language options available.

[night dagger]

If you can afford a private tutor online, I would strongly recommend that (iTalki, Preply, etc). I've been using one since I started and it's helped tremendously with structuring my learning.

Not necessarily required, but certainly helpful.

People learn with free resources all of the time :)

[fervent kernel]

I've heard that learning to read German versus speak it are two different things, haha. So I could see how having a tutor to converse with would be useful.

[fading prawn]

i have a homework and i need someone to check if I have any grammar mistakes

can some1 help me?

[proven sphinx]

If you've already done it, just post it here.

[fading prawn]

i cant post imgs

[proven sphinx]

Eh?

You should be able to, though.

[fading prawn]

it doesnt let me

i have limited permissions

mby thats why

[proven sphinx]

Probably.

[fading prawn]

omg i can now

[delicate tiger]

"Lieb_ Anton" needs a different form

[long whale]

The 1st word "Lieb_" is missing its ending. And isn't it a bit strange to say you're on holiday at school? 🤔

[fading prawn]

oh XD then its liebE ?

and i will chose something diffrent than school

and the story under is ok?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, almost. You wrote "Lagerfeur" instead of "Lagerfeuer".

You also don't really need to repeat "Gestern habe ich", since that's already given.

[fading prawn]

oh ok tysm ❤

[proven sphinx]

"liebe" for girls/women/multiple people, "lieber" for men/boys

Liebe Sarah, lieber Peter, liebe Damen und Herren

[fading prawn]

ooh

thank you

i didnt know this

[tiny parrot]

When do you use kein and nicht? eg: Could it be "ich nicht habe einen onkel" instead of "ich habe keinen Onkel"

[charred fog]

no

First the verb always has to go in the second position, so nicht would never go there

and second when you have nicht and ein in the same clause they become kein

[tiny parrot]

Ohhh so when you say you have or have not ownership over something you would use kein?

[foggy mist]

use "kein" when the focus is that noun not being there
like in the sentence "I don't like cake",
a German speaker would express that as "Ich mag keinen Kuchen" instead of "Ich mag Kuchen nicht"
to better focus on that wish for cake to not be there: NO CAKE!!

so for not having an uncle you will definitely use "kein"
because we are focusing on the uncle not existing

[tiny parrot]

Could you say “ich mag kuchen nicht”?

Like would that still be a correct sentence

[earnest arch]

"Die Negation eines Nomens mit bestimmten Artikel lautet "nicht". Die Negation eines Nomens mit unbestimmten Artikel lautet "kein-". Die Negation eines Nomens mit Nullartikel lautet "kein-". Der unbestimmte Artikel wird demnach mit "kein-" verneint."

Ich mag den Kuchen nicht. (That one here)
Ich mag keinen Kuchen.(I don't like cakes in general)

[foggy mist]

"Ich mag Kuchen nicht" sounds incorrect / not German
according to the above post, it is wrong

[narrow pier]

Hello, has anyone ever put ( #2 ) in the DWDS dictionary,.

Its very strange, when I search ( verkehren ) it guves two meaning

When I search ( verkehren #2 ) it gives another meaning,. And the hashtag vanishes from the search bar when you tap search, I will send the search results if my question is confusing.

[foggy mist]

that is most likely a feature so you can look up different words that have the same spelling

https://www.dwds.de/wb/verkehren#1
https://www.dwds.de/wb/verkehren#2

[narrow pier]

Ok, thank you so much

[stoic birch]

Die Kripos am verzweifeln und die Feinde sind am zittern

is am + verb infinitive here a correct thing? I am not too sure

[long whale]

Not all that much agreement among native speakers about that. I think it looks ugly and sounds very colloquial/regional, other native speakers disagree with me on that. ;)

btw, it's am Verzweifeln and am Zittern - capitalization of nouns is obligatory in German.

[stoic birch]

Thank you! I found this on Genius and it wasn't capitalized, but I thought it would be.

[tiny parrot]

What makes "gut" be changed to "guten" in "guten morgen" or any other adjectives in that sense that are changed before noun

[long whale]

Do you know about grammatical gender in German?

And/Or how the articles are affected by the cases?

[tiny parrot]

I know that articles change depend on the noun!

Ohhh wait no i think j get it now,

[long whale]

Yes, correct. And then, the articles also change based on the case the noun is in. And this change also affects adjectives.

[tiny parrot]

Ohh, yeah i thought so

[long whale]

Mm. "Guten Morgen!" happens to be a kind of abbreviated version of "Ich wünsche dir/Ihnen einen guten Morgen" (I wish you a good morning) -> Akkusativ.

[gilded pagoda]

I started learning german recently and I saw that some words starts with a capital letter even if they are in the middle of the sentence, why does that happen?

[delicate tiger]

all nouns and names

[gilded pagoda]

Those are the only cases?

[rare jetty]

Beginnings of sentences as well

[gilded pagoda]

That's from #german-only
"Buchhaltung hat Mehrwertsteuer auf den Bruttobetrag berechnet"
So Mehrwertsteuer and Bruttobetrag are nouns?

Danke schön!

[fervent kernel]

ich stelle den Bildschirm neben das Fenster (movement/action, thus accusative)
der Bildschrim steht neben dem Fenster (no movement, thus dative)

Is my understanding correct? @long whale

[long whale]

Yes!

[fervent kernel]

so, which is correct:

1. Maria geht aus dem Haus
2. Maria geht aus das Haus

[long whale]

Less catchy, but more to the point: directional movement -> Akkusativ vs. non-directional movement or no movement -> Dativ

[long whale]

1

see above

The question for Akkusativ is "Where to? Towards where?"

You could also be in your room, walking up and down, right? Then, there would be movement, but since it isn't directed anywhere, you'd be using Dativ: Ich gehe im Zimmer herum.

[fervent kernel]

so, taking this example, how would it be the accusative form?

[long whale]

The whole action would have to change: Ich gehe in das Zimmer (I'm moving/walking into the room)

[fervent kernel]

if so, "2. Maria geht aus das Haus" can it also work?

[long whale]

No.

Where is the Where to?/Towards where? in that sentence?

[fervent kernel]

where to: aus = out ?

[long whale]

Huh? Maria's walking out to the house?? That changes the whole meaning, doesn't it?

[fervent kernel]

how do you say "Maria's walking out to the house" in german?

[long whale]

zu always requires Dativ -> M. geht zum Haus

Instead, think of "Maria is walking out of the house and into town" (Maria geht aus dem Haus und in die Stadt, i.e. Haus still in Dativ, Stadt in Akk.)

[fervent kernel]

I think I kind of understand. In the first part is Dative, because the where it is not defined (I mean, it is going outside, but the outside seems to be not particular enough). whereas in the second part, the where is "clearly" define: the house. Am I more or less right?

[long whale]

Yup. ;)

[fervent kernel]

Can I also say? Maria geht in das Haus

[long whale]

Of course. She's stepping into the house. -> clearly Akkusativ

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön noch einmal @long whale

[narrow pier]

Hello, has culture study visa and sensitive topics channels changed to forums?

[tame beacon]

#announcements

[tardy shadow]

I thought it's the same with in

[viral jolt]

unfortunately not, zu is exclusively, always dativ.

[tardy shadow]

Are there other prepositions that use more than one case?

[verbal girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221709483284496394/1033832267178582067/unknown.png

[tardy shadow]

Is there a common meaning for using Dativ/Akkusativ with the ones in the red set

[tardy shadow]

Wait, why is aus not in the red set

Oh never mind

In the example sentences for "vor", does "Er stellt sich vor die Tür" mean "He is going to stand before the door" and "Er steht vor die Tür", means "He is standing before the door"?

[deft perch]

As far as I know, correct

[verbal girder]

i don't know much of anything but wouldn't "going" require werden?

[undone verge]

where did you get those sentences? It should be 'er steht vor der Tür.

and it is dative because he is not moving. he is standing at a location: in front of the door

er stellt sich vor die Tür implies the movement of going to stand in front of the door

[undone verge]

no

[tardy shadow]

der* yes I didn't see right

[gritty gyro]

Can you say Protagonist as main character or do you have to use "Hauptperson"?

[verbal girder]

thanks but kinda blunt

[earnest arch]

Yes, der Protagonist, die Hauptfigur.

[wise pendant]

"going to" as the future tense can be translated with "werden" in some cases. Although only very rarely can translations be done like this on the basis of single words.

Translations need context as things rarely mean exactly the same thing across languages.

"He is going to stand before the door" can become "Er wird vor der Tür stehen" though

[gritty gyro]

thanks :)

[long whale]

@tardy shadow Oops! Total, utter brain fart on my part - of course, "aus" always requires Dativ. 😳

[primal current]

I hace a quesitos

Someone can tell me what muller says in this video in German please

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFBFWvPh/

[foggy mist]

auch hier: "aus" always requires Dativ 😃

aus dem Haus
aus der Schule

[tiny parrot]

🤯

[foggy mist]

Lewi, wir kommen!
 - Lewi wir kommen!
Hier schaut, schau mal, eh
Osterhase, mach mal deinen Hut runter!
 - Ja, jetzt, hi
Sunny nicht schüchtern sein, schau mal dahin
 - Lewi, wir kommen!

Lewi, we're coming!

• Lewi, we're coming!
  Here look (guys) look
  Easter bunny, take of your hat for a second
• yeah now, hi
  Sunny don't be shy look there for a second
• Lewi, we're coming!

[tiny parrot]

dativ akkusativ und nomativ ist sehr stressig

[primal current]

Danke

[tiny parrot]

I am very very new to german, like only about 75 words new. Would learning accusative, dative and normative be a good first step?

what would be a good place to begin

[foggy mist]

#getting-started

[tiny parrot]

Ahh wunderbar, danke

[foggy mist]

wait no

hang on

okay we found it XD

[viral jolt]

yeah I'd say so. after numbers, the alphabet, and generic greetings, akkusativ was the first topic in my A1 Buch. then Perfekt Form, then Dativ, bla bla

[foggy mist]

with verbs :
nom - it is the one doing the verb
akk - it is being verbed
dat - it is receiving the thing being verbed

it does not have to be stressig!
(EDIT: + there are more usages you will learn later, this is a simplification)

[tiny parrot]

You guys have been a great help, honestly thank you i was so confused on where to start! ❤️

I took a picture of it, i have to go to the shops but when i get back i'll get straight into it!

[plain umbra]

faq beginner

[stoic mauve]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[plain umbra]

Type this command in #botchannel at any time to see this list.

[plain umbra]

The difference between accusative and dative is a little bit more complicated than that, so for most beginners I don't think that simplification will be super helpful.

[foggy mist]

I wrote this because it has helped people before.

maybe explain what you mean so it can be more helpful

[plain umbra]

Sure. So basically, you have multiple sets of rules for how accusative and dative are used. The simplified version (similar to what you wrote) is actually this:
Nominative - the subject
Accusative/dative - the object

Some people extend this like you have done, by saying accusative is the direct object and dative is the indirect object. This does apply to verbs with 2 objects, but not for other situations.

So you effectively have two main broad categories for this topic: verbs and prepositions.

[foggy mist]

@tiny parrot when you come back this is for youuu

[plain umbra]

Within verbs you have two topics: verbs with 1 object and verbs with 2 objects. And in prepositions you have: accusative prepositions, dative prepositions and two-way prepositions.

A beginner who is learning accusative and dative generally can ignore prepositions at the start. You can learn it as its own topic later on.

Usually beginners start with just "verbs with 1 object". And they start learning this with accusative case.

The majority of verbs with 1 object have their object in accusative case.

So a total beginner can basically start with just this:
Nominative = subject
Accusative = object

And make basic sentences like "Der Mann isst das Brot".

[viral jolt]

I wouldn't agree that this would be helpful for a beginner than the simple (and yet accurate) answer Liebelle provided to help give a general idea at the start. as someone who already understands Akkusativ and Dativ, the complexity of this explanation is still going over my head.

[viral jolt]

plus you missed the dative case.

[plain umbra]

The complexity of the answer was for Liebelle, not necessarily the beginner.

[viral jolt]

they did mention to give something helpful for the beginner

[plain umbra]

Exactly! That's intentional.

[plain umbra]

Okay, sorry, let me follow that up more clearly.

[tiny parrot]

All of this is uper useful thank you!!

[plain umbra]

Beginner explanation (but keep in mind you don't learn this overnight - you learn it over several weeks):

Step 1. Start with verbs with 1 object.
Nominative = the subject.
Accusative = the object.

With this, you make simple sentences, like "der Mann isst das Brot".

Step 2. Dative is also for objects, so once you learn dative, you have to learn when to use dative instead of accusative.

There are two things to learn (explained below): verbs with 2 object and dative verbs. (Later you can also learn prepositions as a separate topic.)

Step 3. Verbs with 2 objects: the direct object is accusative and the indirect object is dative. (Example: Ich gebe dem Mann das Brot.)

Step 4. Dative verbs: a small number of verbs with 1 object have their object in dative case. You just memorise these from a list. (Example: Ich helfe dem Mann.)

[tiny parrot]

I've taken lots of screenshots of what you've sent me! Das ist wunderbar und super helpful!

Btw how do i see part 2 of the "how to get started"?

i'm currently writing it all in a book

[plain umbra]

Run the command in #botchannel and then press the arrow at the bottom.

[tiny parrot]

Ahh ty

[foggy mist]

I think it is a perfectly valid learning method to look at an overly simplified model at the beginning, and then go into more depth later on, once you get into it more.

there is no one correct way to learn!

[plain umbra]

Exactly. That's why I started with one.

But the main concern I have with the simplification you provided is that it's quite specifically for verbs with 2 objects.

[worn tendon]

Der Mann ist das Brot ✝️

[plain umbra]

And learners try to generalise it to everything, which can be quite confusing for them.

[plain umbra]

@foggy mist I'm not sure why you keep posting and deleting messages, but anyway, I'm not saying your explanation is bad necessarily. I think you just need to make it clear to learners that your simplification only applies to 1 usage of dative, but that there are other usages they will learn later.

Basically it's fine to simplify stuff, but it's beneficial to the learners if they know it's a simplification.

[foggy mist]

I added a disclaimer!

that it is an over simplification

thanks for the tip

[plain umbra]

Thanks, and no need to apologise either. It's actually pretty common for people to incorrectly simplify it in the same way as you did, so you probably have seen people do it that way before anyway.

So I just wanted to add some comments to help avoid that misunderstanding.

[tiny parrot]

When would you use the nouns "Australisch" und "Australier"

[plain umbra]

Australisch is normally used as an adjective, not a noun. So when you want to describe something as Australian like "Australian culture" or something, you could use that word. But Australier means specifically an Australian person, a male Australian. Australierin for female.

[fervent kernel]

what is 'comparative essay' in german? google says vergleichender Essay but it sounds weird idk

[tiny parrot]

Ahh that makes sense! thank you

[fervent kernel]

could someone please confirm

[charred harbor]

Ein Australier, der australische Kultur liebt

[tiny parrot]

When would you add the "e" at the end? is it before a feminine word?

[charred harbor]

Yes

Kultur is feminine (die Kultur)

[tiny parrot]

Ahhh is it the same with deutsche?

I remember seeing that

[charred harbor]

Yes

[tiny parrot]

And then deutschen would be when you are describing something before a masculine word

[charred harbor]

Because that context requires accusative case, yeah

[tiny parrot]

Ahhhh

[charred harbor]

(Cause it’s the object of what’s being loved)

[tiny parrot]

loved?

[charred harbor]

“Liebt” is the verb which is demanding accusative case there

The verb determines case

[tiny parrot]

So like "ich liebe deutsche kultur" would be a correct sentence?

Or "sie liebt deutsche kultur"

[charred harbor]

I would probably use an article there, personally

Ich liebe die deutsche Kultur

[tiny parrot]

Ahhh I see, i'll keep that in mind

[charred harbor]

Well both are said though

[tiny parrot]

Whatever sounds more correct i'll do haha

[charred harbor]

Your version sounds more colloquial I guess (in my opinion)

[tiny parrot]

Oh so i'll probably use that in a casual convo online

But if i want to sound smart i'll use the article

[charred harbor]

I don’t think too hard about it though so idk

[crude knoll]

Is it any different when you say `Kann ich Sie sprechen?´ instead of ´Kann ich mit Ihnen sprechen?´

[golden cradle]

not really
the difference in nuance may be roughly as minute as between
• Can I speak with you?
• Can I talk to you?

Kann ich Sie sprechen? miiiight be the tiniest bit more likely to be used in a slightly threatening situation, like when a supervisor asks an employee into a talk about a fuckup

Kann ich Sie sprechen? has a light nuance for a shorter convo, prbly only one talking point

altho the other one prbly too, but a bit less likely

[golden cradle]

nah i agree entirely, i think you grasped it perfectly

[sharp dawn]

i have a question

using the gender differences is hard for me as i don't understand

for example discords search bar says "suche" but my iphones search bar says "suchen"

[golden cradle]

die Suche = the search
suchen = to search

[sharp dawn]

ah

so it's a rlly minute difference

[golden cradle]

imperative: suche! = search!
ich suche = I search

[sharp dawn]

OH

that makes a lot more sense

tysm

[golden cradle]

gladly! 🙂

[lament ermine]

dsa

[heavy viper]

hallo ich habe eine kleine Frage, was beduetet Tag in Bundestag?

[rare jetty]

Bundestag is just a fixed term, for the "German house of parliament"

[glass hawk]

From wiktionary under "Tag", sense 9:

(countable, dated, now found chiefly in compounds such as Bundestag, Reichstag, Landtag, Sudetendeutscher Tag or Tag der Oberschlesier) convention, congress (formal assembly)

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, often it's not actually all that helpful to analyze a German word by its constituent words. Compounds often have meanings that are entirely distinct from any of the words it's composed of.

Like, it's not all that helpful to analyze a word like "Schriftsteller" as "Schrift + Steller". Sure, you may know from "Schrift" that it has something to do with writing, but its actual meaning (writer/author) isn't very transparent.

[south zenith]

counterargument: staubsauger lol

[rare jetty]

Counterargument:

[south zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-that-is-fair-chris-farley-enough-okay-gif-12224131

[golden cradle]

ich denke, hier ist Tag eine große Gruppe, die tagt, also sich trifft, um größere Sitzungen abzuhalten. Ich nehme mal an, dass Tagungen so heißen, weil so tendenziell lang gehen, vlt. den ganzen Tag oder mehrere Tage.

Falls dich solche Hintergrundinfos interessieren, kannst du die in Etymologie-Wörterbüchern nachschlagen.

[fallow spire]

naja, Bundestag ist ein begriff, der ist halt so. aber wahrscheinlich kommt es von den sogenannten Tagungen also Besprechungen. aber so eine richtige Bedeutung hat das wahrscheinlich nicht (wenn man das tag weglässt Heist es aber leider nur noch Bundes)

[golden cradle]

ah ja, hätte ich vlt. klarer stellen sollen: alleingestellt findet Tag keine solche Verwendung

[heavy viper]

ja das verstehe ich, dass Bundestag ein Begriff ist, einfach so. ich wollte die Herkunft des Wortes nur wissen, ausserdem konnte ich keine Informationen aufs Internet finden. Danke für eure Antowrotungen 🙂

[night dagger]

Antwortugen erinnert mich an das eine Mal, als ich Beschwerdung statt Beschwerde sagte 😂

[upper ember]

Drückt "was fällt dir ein!" eine Art Überraschung oder Empörung aus über das, was gesagt worden ist?

[deft perch]

I think it'd depend on how you say it 🤷

[noble yacht]

Es kann beides ausdrücken. Um die Intention einer Überraschung zu verstärken, würde ich jedoch das ganze als Frage ("Was fällt dir ein?") formulieren.

[narrow pier]

Hallo leute, ich habe eine frage

verzichten as I understood, give up on your rights, on a belonging, like a house, a reward, money, heritage, even participation in something? , because its not rightfully entitled to you, so can I say this?

Ich verzichte meine Teilnahme an dem Fußballspiel

[wise pendant]

*verzichte auf

[nova sparrow]

you could emphasize that you would like to participate but unfortunately you can not:
Ich muss (leider) auf die Teilnahme am Fußballspiel verzichten (, weil...)

[golden cradle]

*Antowrotungen (scnr 😉 )

[deft perch]

I've just written Wartungszeit in a text ;-;

[golden cradle]

ich widerspreche den Vorantworter*innen: Es ist 100% Empörung

[golden cradle]

that’s a good word, why cry?

[deft perch]

It was marked wrong and corrected with "Wartezeit"

[golden cradle]

oh haha, yeah Wartung is maintenance

so it’s good that your correction system caught that 🙂

[deft perch]

It was in a Probeprüfung lol 🤡

[golden cradle]

so can I say this?
yes (with André’s correction)

(side note, this seems contradictory: )

give up on your rights

because its not rightfully entitled to you

verzichten generally means to go without something you value, it does not have to be voluntarily: Er musste sich in Verzicht üben.
But yeah, usually it is a more or less voluntary choice, the word does suggest that.

[narrow pier]

Danke

[narrow pier]

I do not understand you man, sorry, you are saying, you could do it, but you Can't?

[narrow pier]

So it becomes ( ich verzichte auf meiner Teilnahme am Fußballspiel ) ?

[narrow pier]

I do not really understand, I think I understood defenition of DWDS, but I don't get yours sorry, what does this mean ( to go without something you value )

And you used Verzicht as a noun ?

[deft perch]

ich verzichte auf meiner Teilnahme am Fußballspiel

[narrow pier]

But auf should be dativ, ne?

In that context*

@deft perch

[narrow pier]

.

[deft perch]

Verzichten auf+akk

[night dagger]

huh, ich glaub, du hast den Clou nicht verstanden, das war der Zweck meiner Antwort :)

[nova sparrow]

You could say (...), if you want to tell that you would really like to participate, but for some reason you can not participate (because e.g. you have another appointment, or your leg broken or...)

[narrow pier]

Danke

[uneven sparrow]

Is this translation correct?

I train my Body every Day, because i want to stay healthy.
= Ich trainiere meinen Körper jeden Tag, weil ich will gesund bleibe.

[tame beacon]

", weil ich gesund bleiben will."

[timid vector]

Wenn man nach einer Wohnung sucht und keine Küche kaufen will, heißt das "Einbauküche" oder

[uneven sparrow]

Viele dank ^^

[tame beacon]

Bitte

[gritty gyro]

"Dieser letzte Satz fasst den Film sehr schön zusammen" Is this correct or is another word more fitting than "sehr schön" wundervoll perhaps?

[golden cradle]

both can be perfect if that’s the nuance you want to strike

„sehr gut“ and „exzellent“ are less sentimental options

all 4 nuances are the same as with the literal translation in English

[gritty gyro]

Thank you :)

[golden cradle]

except that in English you wouldn’t say “very beautifully”, just “beautifully”

gladly 🙂

[golden cradle]

ich hab Dir ’ne dm geschickt mit Erklärung, wie ich meinen Witz gemeint hatte

[night dagger]

ach vllt bin ich der Blitzmerker dann

[golden cradle]

to go without sth. = to have to live with the fact of not having sth.

sth. you value = sth. that is important to you

lmk if anything else is unclear! 🙂

And you used Verzicht as a noun ?

Verzicht üben is a more lyrical form of verzichten

[night dagger]

übrigens willkommen auf dem Server

[golden cradle]

ouh, ein liebliches Danke schön!🙏^.^`

[gritty gyro]

@golden cradle Just another question. Why is it called "um x zu helfen" and not just "zu helfen"?
"Wenn er seine Arbeit riskiert, **um **x zu helfen."

[golden cradle]

<@&229282615927111680>
wow, Du bist nicht Muttersprachler*in? D::

[golden cradle]

same as to help vs. to help person X

[night dagger]

um + zu = in order to

[golden cradle]

oops, sorry HBY, got your question wrong

[night dagger]

nö bin halt ami ;)

[golden cradle]

mega Respekt

fooled me!

nö
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[gritty gyro]

Ah makes sense. Thanks :)

[worn tendon]

bröther i require more öats

[golden cradle]

relätable

i hope at least you don’t have to verzichten auf BOHNEN

ich und die Jungs um 2 Uhr nachts auf der Suche nach BOHNEN

[night dagger]

danke dir, geb mir ja mühe

[narrow pier]

So in that sense, could you give another example, if possible, it can be very short. I saw this word a few times, I remember it in forms of ( verzichtete ) it was in my exam. So its stuck in my head 😅

Er musste sich in Verzicht übem ( can not really get the english meaning even ),

[fervent kernel]

How do you tell the difference between k1 and präteritum?

or k2 if no umlauts

[undone verge]

when does k1 look like präteritum

[deft perch]

K1 might be confused with Gegenwart not Präteritum I think

[fervent kernel]

how to tell it apart from present*

[timid vector]

do people actually call present tense gegenwart

I thought it was (Indikativ Präsens)

[deft perch]

I'm not sure lol

[fervent kernel]

i just call it the "normal" tense mentally

[timid vector]

I think gegenwart is more like irl present

[fervent kernel]

so how do you tell k1 and present apart

[timid vector]

the meaning

or they might use k2 instead if it's unclear

especially if it's important i.e a newspaper

[deft perch]

You'd see deference in some strong verbs

For the du and er conjunctions

[fervent kernel]

isnt k2 for theoretical situations

[deft perch]

Also with Höflichkeit

[timid vector]

yes, but as I just said

"if k1 is unclear they might use k2"

[fervent kernel]

ok danke
and how do you tell präteritum and k2 apart if no umlaut?

[deft perch]

Well they most likely use würden + inf for k2 I believe

[timid vector]

not everything is going to have a unique form

[deft perch]

Verb like sollen which is sollten in both präteritum and k2, you must know from the meaning I'm afraid

[timid vector]

you're gonna have to use some context clues to understand language

[fervent kernel]

fair
danke

[thorn pelican]

just think of put - same in present and past tense. english has plenty of ambiguous things

[worn tendon]

Had I a million dollars, I would buy many things

(conditional)

[golden cradle]

To honor the FSM, i will go without having pasta for the whole month of Febtember. = Zu Ehren des FSM werde ich den ganzen Febtember lang auf Nudeln verzichten.

üben = to practice (in this case not in the sense of training, but of acting something out)

to go without sth. = to forgo sth.

lmk if you have more Qs 🙂

Wer Geld ansparen will, muss einfach manchmal auf etwas verzichten.
Wer viel Geld ansparen will, muss sich im Verzicht üben.

[narrow pier]

Thank you, I guesses its equivalent word in my mother language, thank youu

[narrow pier]

Wenn du wirklich dünner werden will, musst du unbedingt dich von Reis und Düßigkeiten Verzicht üben / muust du auf Süßigkeiten und Reis verzichten ( verzichten is rally easier to use, did not know which preposition to use for Verzicht üben )

Korrigiert mich bitte

[golden cradle]

Wenn du wirklich {abnehmen / dünner werden} willst, musst du dich unbedingt in Verzicht von Reis und Süßigkeiten üben. [This sounds kinda weird tho, wouldn’t recommend.] / musst du auf Süßigkeiten und Reis verzichten

( verzichten is rally easier to use
yeah for sure
, did not know which preposition to use for Verzicht üben )
honestly just forget that one ^^ it’s not worth the trouble.
it’s pretty unusual and would sound weird from a non-native speaker (which could be quite funny tho)
as i said, it’s a bit more lyrical/ poetic

sorry for confusing you with a little used phrase, my bad.

[fervent kernel]

can someone please tell me the difference between so , also and damit ?

[worn tendon]

so = so
also = therefore
damit = so that

[fervent kernel]

ty very much

a life savor

[timid vector]

that's not a very good example tbh...
so = like that, or as an intensifier (so smart)
also = so, therefore
damit = with that, so that, in order to

[fervent kernel]

Yaxom as im reading this , so only goes with adjectives?

[worn tendon]

No, it can stand on its own (e.g. "like so")

[fervent kernel]

doesnt it have other utilities?

or only these 2

[worn tendon]

conparative:
to say "as … as …" you say "so … wie …"

e.g. "I am as tall as you," becomes »Ich bin so groß wie du.«

[night dagger]

oder in manchen Dialekten: groß als du

[golden cradle]

[golden cradle]

wo?

[night dagger]

Süddeutschland

[vagrant ravine]

Sagt man in solchen Dialekten noch "so" vor dem Adjektiv, oder lässt man es weg?

[night dagger]

vllt hab ich mich teilweise falsch erinnert, hab's grad nachgeschlagen und ne Website zeigt:
Im bayerischen Dialekt allerdings wird häufig der Komparativ mit wie gebildet. Sätze wie unser zweites Beispiel: Berlin ist größer wie München sind ein typisches Merkmal der bayerischen Regionalsprache.

[night dagger]

kenne mich leider nicht so gut aus mit den verschiedenen Eigenheiten von Dialekten

nur manche Dinge, die ich hier und da aufgeschnappt hab

[fervent kernel]

guys is using deshalb better than damit?

for less error

i saw that damit have maaaaaaaany meanings

[golden cradle]

heh yeah i guess that could be an argument?

but deshalb sounds weird, it’s very high language, not really used

but you can use deswegen in its place

[fervent kernel]

tbh with you

i use english alot

and in my english essays i say alot of therefore

in some cases

[golden cradle]

yeah i also use therefore a lot, well relative to normal people hehe

[fervent kernel]

but in deutsh its complicated 😦

there are like 5 or 6 therefores

[golden cradle]

i apologize

[fervent kernel]

for what?

[golden cradle]

on behalf of whoever came up with all of those

[fervent kernel]

ohhhh

ahhahaa

[golden cradle]

😉

[fervent kernel]

you didnt see frensh ma dude

haahhaa

[golden cradle]

i did actually

i’ve studied in French

[fervent kernel]

because = 8328 alternatives

[golden cradle]

hehe

[fervent kernel]

parce que de maniére que de sorte que en raison de.......

[golden cradle]

that’s a lot

yeah good point hehe

[fervent kernel]

what u do in my place

[golden cradle]

wym

[fervent kernel]

im sick therefore i go to doctor

u have 832 options

[golden cradle]

also

[fervent kernel]

how u know hahaha

my question here was why not deshalb?

or so

[golden cradle]

language feeling from experience – listening to native speakers

[fervent kernel]

lucky man

can youtube do the job?

[golden cradle]

i alr answered that

[golden cradle]

yeah

[fervent kernel]

.

bruh

[golden cradle]

?

[fervent kernel]

googoo translator wants me to die

today

[timid vector]

there are many synonyms for therefore and also for daher, also etc

that's how languages work unfortunately

it's not wrong to translate it that way

[fervent kernel]

im sick therefore i go to doctor

[golden cradle]

deepl.com is better

in either, you can click on the word to get alternative translations

[fervent kernel]

ty

so effct

lets say i usef deshalb

in this"im sick therefore i go to doctor
"

it is correct

but it sounds wrong

[timid vector]

Ich bin krank, deshalb gehe ich zum Arzt
Ich bin krank, also gehe ich zum Arzt

both work

also seems more... idk casual maybe

[fervent kernel]

viele Danke

[golden cradle]

not wrong, just slightly weird, cause Germans wouldn’t speak like that. Write, maybe. It sounds quite formal, dry

similar in English: therefore is much more academic than so. But less so than deshalb

[wise pendant]

If you take direct reference of a sentence directly after it has been said, you wouldn't use "deshalb" or "deswegen". Those words are usually used when referencing stuff, that has been said before but not directly before like if you reference the whole talk, and not just a sentence.
"Ich bin so krank, weißt du? Deswegen gehe ich zum Arzt." not closely coupled, so its referencing the general thing said before
"Ich bin krank, also gehe ich zum Arzt" closely couples, so its focused on a direct relationship between both actions.
@timid vector @golden cradle

Thats why it sounds wrong

[golden cradle]

eehh that’s a decent point, but i think it’s only a tendency

[wise pendant]

A strong tendency I'd say

Darum, Deswegen, Deshalb does not reference a concrete action said in a sentence. "darum" etc is the start of a new thought. "also" continues a thought.
I'd say that makes the most sense, if I think about it

[nimble viper]

would you say that ‘weswegen’ works as well as ‘also’ in that sentence?

Although you’d need to push the verb

[nimble viper]

I personally always thought it was just completely wrong both grammatically and logically, if that brings you any peace (the using deshalb deswegen in such a way)

[wise pendant]

Yes, I think so

[golden cradle]

weswegen is much less usual tho, somewhat higher lang register

[golden cradle]

well, you can see them as two separate sentences, but you can chain those into one, like with a semicolon (but also with a comma)

[heavy viper]

gestern musste ich leute befragen, und sagte danke für ihre zeit. Aber ich konnte auch danke für ihre mühe sagen. Jetzt frage ich mich ob da einen unterschied gibt.

vielleicht ist "danke für ihre Mühe" wie "sorry for the inconvenience"?

oder gibt es tatsächlich keinen Unterschied?

[golden cradle]

Mühe würde ich eher bei was Größerem sagen, oder wenn die Person sich selbst initiativ bemüht hat

[golden cradle]

eher wie “thank you for your efforts”

[granite spade]

'Eigentlich hätte er ja mit diesen überschüssigen Geldern die Schuld des Vaters gegenüber dem Chef weiter abgetragen haben können, und jener Tag, an dem er diesen Posten hätte loswerden können, wäre weit näher gewesen, aber jetzt war es zweifellos besser so, wie es der Vater eingerichtet hatte.'

From Kafka, Verwandlung. The grammar in the first clause is tripping me up: Could he have written '...hätte er mit diesen überschüssigen Geldern die Schuld des Vaters gegenüber dem Chef weiter abtragen können'

what does the form 'hätte ... abgetragen haben können' do?

[golden cradle]

hätte er abtragen können = he could have reduced
hätte er abgetragen haben können = he could have had reduced

does that clarify it?

[granite spade]

yes! thank you

[golden cradle]

Plusquamperfekt

[worthy igloo]

https://youtu.be/Kwy1pNzeDP0 welchen Akzent/Dialekt hat er?

[wise pendant]

Grob süddeutsch

Bayerisch vermutlich

[fervent kernel]

Halo ^^ , can someone please tell me how to say "i want to skip the routine" in deutsh? Danke 🙂

[night dagger]

die Routine überspringen

[golden cradle]

#dialects

[golden cradle]

more context might be useful

[fervent kernel]

i would like to play football to skip the routine

[golden cradle]

dym play?

[fervent kernel]

yeah

[golden cradle]

i still don’t know that i get it.
are you saying your daily life is boring, so you want to pick up a new hobby?

[fervent kernel]

my idea here is im a boy who only goes to school so in weekends i try to go play football with my friends to skip the routine

[undone verge]

unfortunately this phrasing doesn't really work in english

I think 'Pause vom Alltag' or 'Flucht aus der Routine' could work in german

[golden cradle]

or
for a change = zur Abwechslung
for variety = für mehr Abwechslung

[wise pendant]

Er spielt Fußball um

• sich aus dem Alltag auszuklinken
• abzuschalten
• den Kopf frei zu kriegen
• dem Alltag zu entfliehen
• sich eine Pause aus dem Alltag zu gönnen
• um dem Alltag zu entkommen
• sich eine Pause zu gönnen
• um für Abwechslung zu sorgen (thx effct für die Idee)

[worthy igloo]

welcher ist richtig:
„Hast du je einen schwedischen Film gesehen?“
„Hast du jemals einen schwedischen Film gesehen?“
oder sind beide richtig? keine?

[fervent kernel]

Beide sind richtig. Jeder Satz ist nur etwas anders Formuliert.

[ashen cairn]

Beide sind richtig

[worthy igloo]

danke euch beiden!

[golden cradle]

alltäglichere Formulierungsweise: Hast du schon mal einen …

[worthy igloo]

ich behalte das im Hinterkopf!

[exotic lintel]

Könnten Sie mir erklären, ob die Position des Verbs nach sondern korrekt ist? Weil der Satz mit sondern zum Nebensatz gehört, denke ich, dass das Verb am Ende stehen soll. Habe ich Recht?
Man sagt häufig, dass eine Sprache lernen eine neue Kultur kennenlernen bedeutet. Es genügt nicht, dass man Wörter und Grammatikkenntnisse hat, sondern man muss den Kontext verstehen, in dem diese Wörter eingebettet sind.

Can somebody pls answer my question ??

[night dagger]

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/sentence-structure/dependent-clauses/conjunctions

[exotic lintel]

Sir/ Ma'am I have read similar explanations already, I am still unsure since this sentence has a dass sentence before the sondern sentences. So therefore my question. Although thank you for your help 🙂
p.s. a simple yes or no would help me more. Is my sentence structure in the sondern sentence correct?

[night dagger]

It is correct.

[exotic lintel]

ok sir/ma'am thank you very much 🙏

[fervent kernel]

Nimmt "sich sorgen" Akkusativ oder Dativ? Und kann man das Verb ohne reflexive Pronomens nutzen?

[golden cradle]

^ ich habe auf den Crosspost in #questions geantwortet

[ashen cairn]

mit Präposition "um"
sich sorgen um+Akk

oder sorgen für+Akk
auch man kann sagen sich Sorgen machen um/über

Aber es gibt Unterschiede:
„sorgen für“ = „sich kümmern um“
reflexive Variante hat andere Bedeutung:
„sich sorgen um“ = „sich Sorgen machen um“

[fervent kernel]

@ashen cairn das kann ich nicht 100% verstehen 🤔 Was ist die Übersetzung auf Englisch? Kann ich "sorgen" als "care" benutzen? z.B. "I care the environment/nature" -> "Ich sorge mich um die Natur"

[golden cradle]

*care for
ja
oder (eher): worry about

[fervent kernel]

Auch mochte ich das fragen, ob "sich" Akkusativ oder Dativ ist

[golden cradle]

kann beides sein

[ashen cairn]

I think so:
"sorgen für" = to care for, to look after
sich sorgen um = worry about

[fervent kernel]

Einige Verben haben verschiedene Bedeutungen wenn man Akk oder Dat nutzt

Bist du dir sicher?

[ashen cairn]

"sich" can often be translated to "himself/herself/itself, themselves"
it depends on your sentence

[fervent kernel]

Für "sorgen"? Welche?