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#community-discussion
gaunt bridge
humble sparrow
remind me in 10 hours to run a friday night activity
jovial zealotBOT
Okay @humble sparrow. You will be reminded in 1 day, 13 hours, 25 minutes and 52 seconds.
humble sparrow
i think i know what's happening
remind me in 10 hours to organise a f. night activity
jovial zealotBOT
Okay @humble sparrow. You will be reminded in 13 hours, 25 minutes and 22 seconds.
humble sparrow
remind me night meme
jovial zealotBOT
Okay @humble sparrow. You will be reminded in 3 hours, 24 minutes and 54 seconds.
fathom vector
So that this guy can see his memes.
I literally told you that the library is a broken piece of shit.
humble sparrow
f might register as friday
fathom vector
Multiple times even. 
gaunt bridge
And yet you still use it. 😔
humble sparrow
remind me in 10 hours to run a fiddlyfoop noot activity
jovial zealotBOT
Okay @humble sparrow. You will be reminded in 10 hours.
humble sparrow
i'm gonna be so confused tomorrow
fathom vector
The alternative is switching to the same parser >lockout uses, which only allows the 1y2mo3w4d5h6m7s format.
I do plan to make my own library eventually, but eh, I have better things to worry about atm.
gaunt bridge
@midnight dune That's fine. I posted it a couple of times in #curators asking for feedback but maybe you weren't in there at that time.
humble sparrow
i recommend we only be able to input times in seconds
gaunt bridge
@fathom vector Why isn't that a better option?
Like I would rather have to write 10h than write 10h and get 13 hours and 48 minutes and 12 seconds or whatever.
fathom vector
Idk people are into natural language processing ig. Though I might just keep that one for the sake of predictability.
fathom vector
Maybe we'll switch to natural language commands in 50 years when computers can actually understand shit. 😤
Reminds me of Berzi's meme thing when he wanted to use commands entirely in natural language. I wonder if that ever got anywhere. 
@blazing crane
gaunt bridge
😄
blazing crane
i never actually gave it a serious try so far
i do have a few minor features on my bot that are very human-friendly, such as after a command you can just write "again" in chat and it will repeat the command, or "again with [stuff]" and it will supply [stuff] as new arguments to the same command as before
and it accepts all the ways i could think of for yes and no when such input is needed, but that's trivial
humble sparrow
i did you weeb
balmy steppe
Can we have something like practice of the day?
A channel where there's a thematic practice for the day.
Such as write passive sentences
I'm thinking maybe using the #lessons channel for it in the meanwhile.
This is an offshoot of the activities, and I don't know if people are getting enough repetition in within the hour that we have.
gaunt bridge
Example?
balmy steppe
Like for Monday it's usually something with the passive. And we have a template for the practice of the day.
Say we'll do passives with "es gibt" in the sentence in pass tense.
*speaking past tense (perfekt, and simple (war ie))
gaunt bridge
But can you give an example of a fully written post?
balmy steppe
Today: Task 1
Write a sentence in the speaking past tense (which is usually Perfekt but also at times Präteratum) with the following:
- es gibt
- one or more adjectives
Example: Es gab viele guten Vögel.
gaunt bridge
So this is for people who attend your Activities sessions?
balmy steppe
Not necessarily, it's just something to get a thematic practice in.
We have lessons too, say hecke that involves say "Lassen"
gaunt bridge
And how often do you want to post them? Every day?
balmy steppe
or your lessons, and there has to be more practice or those lessons go to waste.
gaunt bridge
The normal channel for posting homework for lessons is #study-tasks
balmy steppe
I think probably daily. Because there are basics that needs repetition.
But then where does the product of that go?
gaunt bridge
#beginner-german
#beginner-german is always the channel for practicing stuff outside of a VC lesson.
balmy steppe
But practice is cluttered with so much more things now.
gaunt bridge
Such as?
balmy steppe
isn't that also where the monthly recordings also go?
gaunt bridge
At the moment yeah, but that's something that just started and we're still figuring out the best method for recordings.
Since it's a new thing in the server in general.
balmy steppe
I see. OK
humble sparrow
what a meme bot
dusty oriole
Hell yess
ancient light
nimble pebble
You don't know how to read?
proud egret
@humble sparrow run an activity
balmy steppe
good catch callum @proud egret
she's still recovering from spending all that time germaning
proud egret
Thanks Trax
desert hazel
I was really wanting to study in Germany this year. But obviously the virus is putting a massive halt to travelers. Has there been any word on the upcoming semesters in regards to foriegn students?
fathom vector
That's a question for #archived-culture-study-visa btw.
I'm in Austria and we don't even know how we're gonna handle this semester yet, much less the next one. It's best to email your Uni's Studienabteilung and ask them for more info, though I'm not sure if anyone will be able to tell you anything at this point.
desert hazel
Okay, thanks
tidal anchor
I'd like to run an activity. My idea is a theme chat. I would provide a 5 minute video or audio, an associated Google Slides with vocabulary words (done 3 days ahead of the activity). Then when we come together, we would watch/listen together and work on either exercises or simply discuss the topic.
Here's an example (with links to various videos): https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1iwznNUV5BmOQUFzEzJFMty868QVtrycwjTbVOooFDCo/edit?usp=sharing
dusty oriole
@tidal anchor I like this idea , not mentioning a guitar (bass, electric, acoustic) is my hobby
tidal anchor
Yes, the goal would be to pick topics that I think the participants would be interested in. Many people play (or at least listen to) guitar and enjoy it!
gaunt bridge
That sounds good, @tidal anchor
And guitar isn't a bad choice necessarily but maybe it's a good idea for the first session to pick something more universal. Then you get a better idea of how many people are interested (rather than just people into guitar).
tidal anchor
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HA4fQoRpyL1RHyWP24F-cfaDCnpKO7E1ymPbHEMMEzE/edit?usp=sharing
Kochen !
gaunt bridge
Oh yeah, Kochen is a good topic.
tidal anchor
My big vision is to make the slides available ahead of time so that beginners (who might be otherwise uncomfortable) can get familiar with vocabulary and even the answers to the questions. More advanced learners will still be interested because they can practice speaking. I think it is always a trade-off between beginner-friendly and advanced learner-interesting but that is the goal.
gaunt bridge
Yeah, I think it sounds fine.
If you get a lot of advanced speakers and a lot of beginners, you could always split people into 2 groups as well.
midnight dune
thats great erky :D
sonic bear
the "xoxo 😘" gives me mixed messages
tidal anchor
Okay, so what do I need to be able to do to run my theme group? It seems like I should be able to stream from Activities and also create a reminder in lessons? How do I do that?
balmy steppe
Have to wait for one of the mod to give you session rights.
humble sparrow
@tidal anchor I recommend dm-ing one to get that sorted. I've heard that @gaunt bridge loves getting dms ;)
gaunt bridge
Oh, sorry, I didn't see that message.
midnight dune
just to clarify sicne you deleted my message, you published it publicly
in the document on moderation guidelines
henlo are you going to publish information and/or update info with the helper role
signal idol
haha I was wondering what you were talking about and just saw a mention of a “helper role” in the document and was wondering if that was outdated or what
midnight dune
well its the new guideline so lets hope not 
chrome shadow
No the info in the document is correct I simply forgot that we already mention the role in there
so yeah, there will be additional info about it soon too
midnight dune
btw, since it's my own personal paranoia from past events, could singular mod decisions be revoked if the rest of the moderation team agrees it was needless/bad. Perhaps it was already there since I only skimmed over the document. It would be nice to have a discussion as well as mod feedback on this idea regardless
signal idol
(I’d like to mention interest in becoming a helper without even knowing what it is)
gaunt bridge
If you read the relevant sections of the document and your question isn't answered there, then we can discuss it, sure. @midnight dune
midnight dune
I would appreciate it a lot thank you
humble sparrow
my only question is will the session holder role coexist with it?
chrome shadow
In general, bans should be permanent. An appeal should only be accepted if:
(a) the ban itself was deemed to be unjust or premature
(b) a long time has passed since the original ban (as judged by the moderation team on a case-by-case basis), the user can be assumed to have understood what they did wrong and is ready to change their behavior
a) would apply in the specific context you're referring to but I agree that we could outline more clearly that these decions can also be revoked
and yes the Session Holder will coexist with the Helper role
midnight dune
cheers, it's not even for bans specifically just the 'moderator must revoke his own actions' shit has just caused too much stress i nthe past, I'd like to avoid it if possible
it's incredibly unlikely to happen again but I don't believe it's unreasonable to have an alternative for unforseeable situations
gaunt bridge
There's not really something like "a moderator must revoke his own actions".
midnight dune
ah, I'll read it over again
gaunt bridge
The way it works is more like, the moderator responsible is essentially in charge of a certain case, as they have the info, they've talked to the person, etc.
So they make the decisions, in a normal situation, for that case.
But then when there's something uncertain, or the person can't do that, or whatever else, then they can let the team know. And any member can always request to have their situation handled by someone else anyway.
midnight dune
This means that the moderator who takes action against another user will also be the one to undo it, if it has no fixed length
this is what I had issue with in particular
gaunt bridge
It's not a strict rule, like I said. It's just a way to keep things from being confusing.
Like let's say for example, if Arrem mutes someone and I don't know every detail about why it happened, I'll rather discuss it with him than just unmute the person myself.
But it's not like Arrem can just say "No, I did it so you can't reverse it" or something.
midnight dune
I understand. For my comfort I'd still like an exception to be specified and at least a discussion to be had about it with you all, but I understand if it's too much hassle just for the sake of being detailed.
fathom vector
Do note also that the guidelines explicitly require the whole team to vote when banning anyone who can under any interpretation be considered a regular or a long term member.
signal idol
I’d like to be contrarian and annoying
could someone give me a thing to object to pls?
yall are too reasonable I don’t like it
signal idol
isn’t he american?
humble sparrow
yes
signal idol
see that is unacceptable
midnight dune
Yes however if the ban/action is unjustified in the first place, I don't want a situation where 5 days passes where the rest of the mods have to wait for the mod who ordained it specifically to undo it.
I hope that's understandable for you all, in the end I trust you all and will respect the decisions you make. Again for anything this is more for my own personal comfort than for the sake of the server at large.
also american mods would be great
just we don't have a uh, great selection to choose from
gaunt bridge
Great, I'll let Bro know he's in.
gaunt bridge
@midnight dune This paragraph should essentially address your question: Keep in mind that this does not mean that a moderator’s actions cannot be questioned. All expectations outlined within this document still apply in every case.
At the end of the section you quoted from.
This is essentially an all-encompassing statement expressing that the above mentioned idea (a moderator reverses their own action) cannot conflict with other expectations outlined throughout the whole document.
midnight dune
It doesnt entirely reassure me however I appreciate your response. We can put this matter to rest.
fathom vector
Well, what happened is a stupid mess that was entirely unprofessional and a result of an immature fuck trying to impose "conditions" in order to reverse what was an unjustified ban. In the current team, something like that would instantly be a huge red flag. The team would initiate a vote about it, the person would ideally be outvoted N-1 to 1 and the issue would be resolved within a day at most. If the entire mod team is fucked and the N-1 to 1 thing doesn't happen, then no guideline or written word can help with that, because if a majority is willing to stand that, then they're also willing to ignore any guideline there is.
gaunt bridge
True, after all... we already had those specific guidelines (about team agreement) in place at that time.
And it didn't really help.
fathom vector
Yeah, the way Discord works, there's unfortunately very little to do when you have a power hungry dictator fucko. But fortunately, the team knows how devastating the consequences of having a power hungry dictator fucko can be, so education is the best prevention ig.
midnight dune
Thank you, that genuinely helped a lot
gaunt bridge
@tidal anchor Sorry again I forgot again to reply to your request.
So you want to be able to stream for your sessions?
Basically you're planning to show slides while having a discussion?
tidal anchor
I was super busy this week so no worries. I'd probably share an audio or video (streaming) over the topic, usually it's from DW and then we'd do the exercises together (which would also be streamed). The slides are made beforehand with links and helpful vocabulary so that people can look at it beforehand. A beginner with more time could review the audio/video ahead of time so that it's not the first time during the meeting. The slides would also be useful afterwards for review.
gaunt bridge
Okay, no problem.
glad fjord
Hallo! Ich habe damit angefangen, neue Texte für die Ausspracheaufaben. Gibt es Änderungen und Vorschläge, die ich bedenken sollte?
Ich denke, was darunter steht, wäre eine gute Aufgabe:
- 2 Zungenbrecher
- ein kürzerer Text
- Gedicht
Oh vielleicht gäbe ich eine Übersetzung mit den Zungenbrechern dazu
vagrant python
ja, Übersetzungen wären gut, vielleicht für jeden Text, wenn die entsprechende Übersetzung verfügbar ist
glad fjord
ich habe Übersezungen für jeden Text bereitgestellt, aber wenn das Ping sie einschließen würde,
könnte die Nachricht ein bissel zu lang sein.
Sollte ich die Übersetzungen trotzdem einfügen, oder sie in ein anderes Dokument stellen und das einfach beifügen?
die Texte für diesen Monat stehen schon hierein (und auch die vom letzen Monat): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GZI8j4oSbHhjr2vXaAlqJE1l3pDCCmC7XlSC2PiO3Gs/edit?usp=sharing
vagrant python
@glad fjord ja, ich stimme dir zu, das wäre zu viel Text in einer Nachricht. Die Übersetzungen in dem Dokument zu haben ist schon in Ordnung 👍
glad fjord
the pronunciation excersies are ready to go, should i issue the ping?
vagrant python
jap
harsh tinsel
Why does "study tasks" come under the "community" header and not under "learning"?
Issa small thing n i dont mind it tbh, but jus asking
gaunt bridge
Why not?
harsh tinsel
Seems like its more oriented towards learning the language rather than discussing stuff with the community. We are translating passages and reading excerpts. And doesnt fit with the theme of the other channels on it like Leben unterm dach and media
gaunt bridge
What would you say is the theme of Community category?
harsh tinsel
Discussing stuff that doesnt pertain to learning of the language
gaunt bridge
What about Off Topic?
gaunt bridge
So you feel they should be 1 group?
harsh tinsel
I dont know what the term "group" means on discord, but yes they could be under the same header name . But that wasn't my original point. since people are used to the 2 different headers/groups its fine to me . just "study tasks" seem to stand out from community and doesnt fit its theme/ when compared to the other channels under community.
gaunt bridge
I see.
chrome shadow
You could argue that the tasks also come from community members and thus #study-tasks has it's legitimation to be part of the community group but I don't think that's a strong argument and I have to agree that it fits the learning section much better content-wise
gaunt bridge
The main point of the multiple categories is to make it so all the channels aren't just crammed into one big category, so it doesn't really need a justification aside from that.
But since we were already planning to discuss the channel organization again anyway, we can just discuss it at that time.
harsh tinsel
Cool👍👍
fathom vector
@glad fjord could you replace all occurrences of #beginner-german with #pronunciation in your latest #study-tasks post pretty please.
glad fjord
@fathom vector ohhh nice is that new?
fathom vector
Aye aye.
opaque prawn
Hii i want to learn basics of german this is right place or not ?
grave jungle
You can type this-> ">faq beginner" into #botchannel to get some info
stone root
Does anyone have any... Smaller servers like this one? I find it hard to keep up in ones like this. Since advertising is a no-no, you can feel free to DM me about it
Here's my tag, you may need to add me but I'll accept. Chaotic Neutral#0915
grave jungle
Why would you want a smaller server? What do you think are the advantages that this server doesn't have? @Chaotic Neutral#0915
nimble pebble
That person isn't on this server anymore @grave jungle
He/She left right after asking for other servers
grave jungle
Ah ok, would have been interested to hear what he doesn't like about this server to be able to improve it here... Tja
blissful dagger
Well, if there is a thing that happened today and was pretty sad was a bunch of germans calling other learners "Behinderte" and "Abfall" for not speaking as good as they can.
A couple of minutes afterwards many brazilians came to the chat to troll these germans. These mentioned Germans got so tired (fertig) with being trolled that left the channel to do a private Sprachchat. I found the whole thing quite unfortunate...
Ich meine, jemand hats vor, deine Sprache zu lernen, und das herzliche Wilkommen ist das unhöflichste "Behinderte, hurp durp, behinderte". Sowas hatte ich nie früher in diesem Server gesehen.
glad fjord
Ist das eben gerade passiert?
blissful dagger
Etwa eine Stunde früher
gaunt bridge
@blissful dagger Wer hat das getan? Und warum wurden sie nicht gemeldet?
blissful dagger
Weil ich nicht wusste, dass ich es melden konnte. hehe
gaunt bridge
(Ergibt "melden" hier Sinn?)
glad fjord
Ach mensch das ist verrückt, sowas würd ich nie ein Englischlernende benennen
Melden report, ich glaube schon
blissful dagger
Äh?! Wo, @gaunt bridge ? Ich kenne mich nicht so gut mit dem Discord aus.
gaunt bridge
Ja, du solltest alles Schlechtes melden.
Du kannst die Moderator-Rolle pingen mit @Moderator
Lernende zu mobben ist definitiv nicht erlaubt. Wir verbannen solche Leute gerne.
blissful dagger
Danke für deine Zeit, @gaunt bridge , falls es nochmal passiert, melde ich mich bei dir oder nen anderen <@&305455824174710787>.
gaunt bridge
Thanks as well for letting us know about it.
static dove
(Ergibt "melden" hier Sinn?)
@gaunt bridge ja 😌
gaunt bridge
Danke.
bronze cobalt
hallo
cosmic wigeon
Ein Tippfehler in Archäologie - A Level - 8) ... piece of equipement ... @vagrant python
vagrant python
@cosmic wigeon oh danke, ich hab es korrigiert
glad fjord
Could we organise a Literature appreciation/book group.
Where we read a chapter or such of a book in german every week/month and discuss it
Or a poem, speech, podcast really any kind of text
glad fjord
We could do something like: ping advanced reading with something like: reading chapter 1-2 from X Buch this week; discussion at Y time
chrome shadow
Sure, that is essentially what Reading and AdvancedReading are there for :D
You already have the Session Holder role and can ping both groups, feel free to pick a book or ping the respective group with a bit of info what you have in mind and ask what they'd like to read
glad fjord
Sweeet
wintry nova
i didn't understand how do the lessons work?
glad fjord
@wintry nova someone with a little time on their hands sets a time and an activity and people who want to join in are free to come and go
In a few hours theyll be a reading session where we take turns reading out loud and then translating
Theres are are grammar lessons
faq lessons
jovial zealotBOT
balmy totem
faq
jovial zealotBOT
:x: The required argument name is missing.
humble sparrow
https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/722332364512034867
Can we please implement this as discussed in #suggestions
signal idol
yes please
vagrant python
Ich bin dafür. Ich habe immer ❌ verwendet aber es war vielleicht nicht immer klar was damit gemeint wurde. Ein explizites Emoji, das auf Fehler in einem Satz hindeutet, ist eine gute Idee, finde ich
cold shell
Diese Reaktion hab ich noch nie gesehen. Normalerweise zitieren Menschen den falschen Satz und korrigieren uns im selben Nachricht
vagrant python
@blazing crane ihr habt das neulich im Italienischen Server eingeführt oder? Wurde es schnell übernommen und gab es irgendwelche Probleme?
humble sparrow
die Idee war seine (iirc)
nimble pebble
Ja
vagrant python
Ja das weiß ich, deswegen frag ich ihn
humble sparrow
aber ja es gibt oft (für mich persönlich zu oft) Fälle, in denen man (ich) einen Fehler erkennt, aber weiß nicht, was der korrekte Satz sein sollte.
in diesen Fällen würde ich dieses emoji nützlich finden.
das großes rotes Kreuz ist ein bisschen... unangenehm
signal idol
“ihm seine”, sunset! ||/s||
humble sparrow
lmao
cold shell
aber ja es gibt oft (für mich persönlich zu oft) Fälle, in denen man (ich) einen Fehler erkennt, aber weiß nicht, was der korrekte Satz sein sollte.
in diesen Fällen würde ich dieses emoji nützlich finden.
das großes rotes Kreuz ist ein bisschen... unangenehm
lol ja das kann ich verstehen
humble sparrow
ngl ich finde Präpositionale Genitiv-Substitution ein bisschen liebenswert lmao
aber zuliebe mir selbst und den anderen Lernenden kann ich das nie lernen und nutzen
vagrant python
Ja, das große ❌ ist etwas zu auffällig und aggressiv
grave knot
Ich finde dich liebenswert.
humble sparrow
😍
blazing crane
@blazing crane ihr habt das neulich im Italienischen Server eingeführt oder? Wurde es schnell übernommen und gab es irgendwelche Probleme?
@vagrant python ja, ja, und nein. Die community liebt es und nutzt es selber viel. Es gab ein bisschen diskussion vor der implementierung über die design des emojis selbst und wie aggressiv es aussehen dürfte, aber am ende wurde der derzeitige design (siehe unter) gut akzeptiert, auch von den nutzern, die es anders wollten
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284013501821747200/721326690021802064/Screenshot_20200613-213814.jpg
wir dachten, schon existierende emoji seien nicht klar genug. Wir brauchten etwas, was eindeutig um die sprache ging, was für beide fehler und bloße imperfektionen galt, und was nicht zu anklagend aussah
mMn wurden alle kriterien ideal erfüllt
fathom vector
Bidde keine Objektive treffen, die sind teuer.
fathom vector
Joa.
blazing crane
if we had had that emoji you could have just reacted with it there :>
btw ping me for answers because i usually keep this channel muted. Rude, i know
vagrant python
das Emoji ist jetzt verfügbar 
gaunt bridge
I'm planning to start a regular series of beginner grammar sessions, with 1 hour of teaching per week along with questions and exercises. I'm wondering if anyone here would be interesting in co-hosting these sessions with me? What this mostly involves is running the session on days/weeks where I won't be able to, or potentially also running the same session again at a different time/day (e.g. if we want to cater to multiple time zones). I can provide content and a rough lesson plan, so the only work a co-host would have to do is run the session for 1-2 hours when needed.
For those of you who haven't run a session before and want to learn, I can also help you with that. And the more people who are willing to volunteer, the better. Feel free to reply here or just DM me.
humble sparrow
i'm interestes but would like to sit through a couple sessions first before formally putting my hand up
gaunt bridge
Sure, feel free to just check it out to start!
To clarify a bit more: my main purpose for asking for people to help is that I think a weekly beginner lesson series would be really useful, but I know I probably won't be able to do it on my own consistently every week.
So there is no need to commit from the start - the minimum I'm looking for is that someone could step in and run a session if I can't. (That's the minimum though. We can always build it up from there depending on how many people are willing to be involved)
signal idol
depending on the number of people and the degree of trolling encountered I might be willing to help out, I’ll try to check out the second lesson or so (the first will be a clusterfuck no matter what you do anyway :P)
lofty heron
@gaunt bridge I'd probably be able to help out as well :)
vagrant python
@gaunt bridge ich kann dir gerne helfen, ich wollte eigentlich wieder einen Unterricht über das Passiv halten, aber es wäre vllt besser, das später zu tun
balmy steppe
Kannst du die Unterricht auf Deutsch machen, obwohl ich weiß nicht ob ich es verstehen kann.
midnight dune
I'm interested from the last 1/3rd Juli onwards
Would doing my own lessons be disruptive too
gaunt bridge
What do you mean by your own lessons? @midnight dune
gaunt bridge
Like on the same topics or do you just mean any lessons?
Or do you mean you want to hold yours at the same time? If so, mine don't have a set time yet so we can work out what works.
midnight dune
Any lessons haha, probably b Level, and no I'd probably work around the times set
Was just wondering if the number would be too overwhelming
gaunt bridge
No, lessons are always welcome.
It only matters if you need to organize/coordinate something e.g. times or content or whatever.
glad fjord
A little table with the current lesson times would be nice
Can we work on something like that
Maybe a channel which just lists pings to lesson related groups
gaunt bridge
Yes, it's an upcoming bot feature.
But for now, how about I just pin the announcements that are relevant, until the bot feature is available?
gaunt bridge
Okay, nice.
glad fjord
Hello everyone!
A lot of people show up for weekly reading and i feel like theres not enough time to give everyone a couple of goes to read
Would someone like to test run a concurrent reading session with me in another channel at the same time and see how that works out
humble sparrow
i think it's a good idea and similar things have happened in the past. though usually level divisions rather than just a group division. i.e. a levels would read some simple news articles or texts from dw and intermediate/advanced would read a book
glad fjord
That could be something to consider
I dont have many easy texts but they shouldnt be too hard to find
The only issue is that i dont want to lead to too much of a division between the people joining in on reading
humble sparrow
i've seen deutsche well being used for simple texts before
glad fjord
Ohh they have simplified language articles which are quite nice
gaunt bridge
You can also consider asking one of the people who join the sessions to host for that day.
Since running the reading session is easy.
Once the person knows how it works.
glad fjord
Doesnt seem too reliable, but worth a shot
lofty heron
I could potentially help ya Blu if we coordinate it a bit ^.^
glad fjord
Ohhhhh sound good
humble sparrow
i think people prefer they be a more advanced speaker though. people tend to look to the host for guidance and correction
^ and nop volunteers so that solves that
glad fjord
I try to keep the time consistent
I usually clean up after dinner so i might push the start time back an hour if thats okay nop
lofty heron
Sure should be ok!
fathom vector
Me: Why do they keep saying nop wtf does that mean
Me: ohhhhh
lofty heron
lmao Arrem
glad fjord
Also thanks for volunteering!
lofty heron
😄 I did reading already way back in the past, and it seems like not a lot has changed in that regard ^.^ I''m sure it'll be fun c:
glad fjord
How did you run it earlier?
Im mostly using Hecke and Suns methods (because i sat in on those)
lofty heron
Mixed Deutsche Welle / Fairytales with the same format 😛
gaunt bridge
The methods have been the same since the server began.
grave knot
Yeah, I have to agree: still the same as always. ^^
gaunt bridge
Taking turns to read and then translating.
But if you wish to try some other approach, you are always welcome to do so.
gaunt bridge
Oh yeah, Grimm stories were very popular when we read those.
lofty heron
There could also be a very advanced reading and instead of translating the text, we recap in our own words or something but I never tried that
gaunt bridge
The most popular reading sessions by far.
fathom vector
Are you really doing hecke's method if you aren't being interrupted every 2 minutes and told that your voice is so nice?
grave knot
I'd love to do Max und Moritz for B2-C.
gaunt bridge
Feel free.
humble sparrow
i did that once, nop
the average level of participants is the limiting factor tho. that and the channel isn't level locked so you get a fucktonne of eager a1s who want to join and participate
grave knot
nop
I love that no one calls you 🐱 anymore. :P
lofty heron
Well a select few do Coscer 😉
grave knot
True. ^^
glad fjord
Coscer?
humble sparrow
i don't know who you were. i am baby
grave knot
Bluhu? ^^
glad fjord
Oh
grave knot
🐱 is a former mod/admin.
chrome shadow
Sun meet catto, former admin
humble sparrow
catto don't meet sun. please don't eat me i'm smol and fragile
lofty heron
Another thing I'd like to try is a simple native reads thing or something? In the past there seemed to be a lot of people who wanted to join and simply listen
true Sascha x(
gaunt bridge
Eh, I would say B1+ is fine for Grimm.
A lot of people who did them in the past were B1 and they had no issues.
signal idol
fair
lofty heron
there are some uhh older words in there that aren't as common anymore but welp, nice to know them ^.^
signal idol
also grimm leads to people asking about every five minutes why they’re using es to refer to a girl
:P
gaunt bridge
Nuh, as long as someone is there to explain concepts, it's usually really good.
It really helps train your ability to parse sentences.
I mean, I'm just going by my experiences hosting sessions of different types here. The Grimm story ones were really fun/popular and the people seemed to gain a surprising about of reading skill from them.
glad fjord
Maybe ill shake it up and read some other texts
gaunt bridge
Although now that I think about it, it was usually the native speakers who didn't enjoy those sessions. 😄
lofty heron
lol
balmy steppe
We did grim with pferd once and well there were a lot of arcane words. I like the stories but it's low bang for the buck
gaunt bridge
Possibly, if your goal with reading is vocab, yes.
If your goal is learning to parse sentences better, or how to deal with unknown words, then it's pretty valuable.
fathom vector
It also depends on which version you find. There are originald and more modern rewrites.
balmy steppe
Yeah we talked about how there were rewrites and I tried to find those. And it's true that natives hated them (or a native) but not so much for content because breaking your finger to fashion a key is pretty cool.
solar hedge
Nice server icon🇩🇪 🇦🇹 🇨🇭
midnight dune
@lofty heron reading session when
lofty heron
ja lol, I'll probs do it when Blu has a session as well (except if there's any better ideas around?)
hollow relic
@vagrant python i saw the icon change to austria and was like "huh" and then i watched the whole thing and was like "how long has this been animated 😮 " and then I saw that it was today
XD
vagrant python
@pearl folio berzi hat einen Vorschlag in #suggestions, der einen schnelleren Übergang hat
@hollow relic tfw Ari #announcements nicht sofort liest
vagrant python
in der Tat
pearl folio
nice
echo rapids
vagrant python
@blazing crane hattest du heute Zeit, am Icon zu arbeiten?
azure shard
Hi Leute, können wir das bitte besprechen? Ich finde es besser, etwas Falsches nicht zu markieren (was sowieso des Öfteren vorkommt), als etwas Richtiges als falsch zu markieren (das sollte eigentlich nicht vorkommen). Was meint ihr? Und was spricht eurer Meinung nach noch dagegen?
grave knot
Eine Möglichkeit wäre es, ein weiteres Emoji einzufügen, wessen Existenz bestätigt, dass alle Fehler behoben wurden.
azure shard
Klar, aber das muss man ja wieder aktiv setzen
Ich finde das manuelle Entfernen von schon stressig genug
Bzw müssten wir das „fehlerfrei“ dann bei jedem Satz setzen
grave knot
Diejenigen, die das setzen, müssten dies endgültig auch selbst entfernen.
azure shard
Das habe ich mir auch schon überlegt, aber das ist doch viel Arbeit
grave knot
Obwohl, an deiner Idee ist was dran.
azure shard
Machen aber die meisten nicht mehr, die es auch nur setzen, weil ein MS es gesetzt hat
grave knot
Man kann ja erneut hinzufügen, wenn die Änderungen noch nicht stimmen.
grave knot
Somit ist der Vorschlag, es zu entfernen, wenn die Nachricht geändert wird, super.
azure shard
Danke Casca 😘
signal idol
@blazing crane wie handhabt ihr das aufm Italoserver?
azure shard
Casca was meinst du zu dem Vorschlag, nur einmal setzen zu können? Sprich die Reaktion darf pro Nachricht nur einmal gesetzt werden?
grave knot
Das wäre machbar. Sie gefällt mir.
azure shard
Mir ist aufgefallen, dass ich zB reagiere, dann andere auch drauf klicken (dann sind es 3), dann wird der Satz korrigiert und dann nehme ich meines weg aber die anderen 2 bleiben - das wäre die alternative Idee
Dann muss man es aber auch selbstständig wieder entfernen
Das würde ich gerne vermeiden, da die meisten Sätze nach dem Editieren ja stimmen
nimble pebble
Ich finde es gut, wenn mehrere das können, weil da ja wer bei sein könnte, der es falsch macht, sofern denn einfach alle nach einem Edit entfernt werden
grave knot
Der Bot müsste erkennen, es entfernen und dann selbst setzen.
Sonst kann man die Anzahl nicht beschränken.
grave knot
Deshalb ist die Idee mit dem (edited) besser.
Bulli meint, dass auch falsch sein kann.
nimble pebble
Den ursprünglichen Vorschlag find ich gut
blazing crane
kurzes Fazit über den Status der Diskussion bisher bitte?
nimble pebble
Sprich die Reaktion darf pro Nachricht nur einmal gesetzt werden?
Das nicht so
azure shard
3 stimmen für „bei edit entfernen“
grave knot
- is removed once a message is edited. Should the edited result still be erroneous, then repeat.
- can only be applied to a message by one person. This person removes it once the errors have been fixed.
azure shard
Das ist eine alternative Idee gewesen, Bulli, falls das mit „edit“ nicht durch geht, hast du es gemischt?
grave knot
Das nicht so
@nimble pebble Ist auch nicht gut umsetzbar.
azure shard
Vergesst die zweite Idee, wenn ihr mir der ersten Idee einverstanden seid 😂
grave knot
Geht klar. ^^
nimble pebble
azure shard
Vielleicht kann man sich auch ansehen, wie viele Nachrichten die Reaktion noch haben und mal schauen, ob die eher falsch oder eher richtig sind
chrome shadow
But doesn't that mean even more effort for the person reacting ?
Objectively it's much easier to remove a reaction as you simply have to click on it than to add a new reaction should the message still contain mistakes
blazing crane
- stimme zu. Der "Effekt" oder "Wirkungszeit" des Emojis ist ja ziemlich kurz. Wenn man es editiert und es noch falsch ist, ist es egal wenn die übrige Fehler nicht weiter korrigiert werden. Das Ziel ist ja nicht Fehler komplett zu entfernen, sondern nur hinweisen, dass welche gibt, falls der Nutzer dran interessiert ist. Wenn der Nutzer die Nachricht editiert, und es noch falsch oder sogar ungeändert ist, und das Emoji dennoch entfernt wird, egal.
- scheint unnötig. Ich nahme an, 1. implizierte, dass der Bot es entfernen würde. Man kann ja nicht andere Nutzer zwingen, das Emoji zu entfernen.
azure shard
Der gleiche Aufwand wie zuvor, es ist ja niemand angehalten, das Emoji zu verwenden
chrome shadow
But then it's useless lol
azure shard
Mir geht es im Prinzip darum, dass ich eigentlich meine Reaktion gern entfernen würde, es manchmal aber mühsam ist, alle im Auge zu behalten. Da ist mir lieber, eine (möglicherweise!) falsche Aussage hat keine Kennzeichnung mehr (dann weiß der Autor gleich viel wie vorher ob es stimmt oder nicht), als dass die Kennzeichnung bleibt, nur weil ich zB gerade afk bin
Siehe „lieber falsch nicht markieren als richtig als falsch markieren“
chrome shadow
Yeah but if someone edits a message, maybe even for something like changing a verb tense and not something silly like punctuation, and this "correction" were still wrong, it would be equally confusing if the reaction got removed, thus suggesting that the sentence was correct now
azure shard
Communication is everything
cold shell
Both sides have good points imo. I'll ve very, very honest - I'm not sure whether the emoji brings more good than harm. I have ceased reacting with it and have also found it to be more useful when people just tell me what's wrong with my phrase straight away. After all, like previously discussed, there can be confusion if you leave it (and the phrase is then edited) and confusion if you don't (and the phrase is still wrong)
Which is also why it is only useful when you couple it with the actual correction of the phrase, so the author as well as readers can understand what was the error. This way, even when a message is edited, one can draw conclusions based on the correction
If this is done, I see no harm in installing an automatic reaction deleter
Also sorry for speaking English but yeeee
azure shard
I somehow agree with you Babsi, but I made the experience that people don’t see corrections without tag/quote which basically disturbs the discussion, as we saw... that’s the reason why I think that the reaction is useful. It shouldn’t mean that people don’t tell you anymore what’s wrong
nimble pebble
You can tag the people that reacted and I'm pretty sure that almost always it will be pointed out to you then
azure shard
That’s what I meant. It shouldn’t replace the correction, if wanted
cold shell
I still believe pointing out the mistake is necessary in the grand majority of cases, in which case the tag and quote will have to make themselves available either way
I also reckon one day when someone (just) reacted to my message and I didn’t even see it because the chat was so lively
But this discussion doesn’t pertain to your suggestion
My take on it is simply that I also believe taking out a reaction generates less problems and confusion than leaving it there. One can always react again, mostly edits are made regarding language mistakes, and some people don’t even edit
azure shard
I just wanted to say... if you don’t feel comfortable with the emoji, kindly suggest to remove it 😂 Or at least just say it... if you tell me you don’t want it, I won’t use it for your messages. Just let me know.
cold shell
Yeah maybe I should, but I’m fairly sure I’ll 1. Face backlash and 2. I have been told I should’ve expressed my opinion before the emoji came through I somehow missed the discussion tho
I’m not against the emoji being used in my case, I just want a correction to be produced along with it
You do it all the time for me 🙂
gaunt bridge
No one will face backlash for sharing their opinions about a server issue or change. If anyone speaks negatively towards you in an unfair way because of it, you're always welcome to report them for harassment.
jaunty oracle
So if I understood correctly this is about the bot automatically removing the reaction as soon as the message is edited right? If that's it, I feel like this only adds value and has no really negative sides to it. If the one in charge of the bot doesn't feel like adding the feature that's another story I guess
cold shell
The one negative side that was discussed is if the message is edited for reasons other than correcting the mistake, and thus the mistake stays but the reaction is gone
jaunty oracle
Sure but no one will edit the message for another reason, see that the emoji is gone and think "right, my message is correct now", so it's not a big deal imo
fathom vector
Well from a technical standpoint, deleting it when a message is edited is fine and easy to do, the only question is if it should be done.
Guaranteeing that each message only gets the reaction once is a bit more problematic and I'd prefer if we didn't go in that direction.
jaunty oracle
In the scenario where the emoji doesn't get deleted he doesn't have any sort of feedback anyways
Yeah I feel like guaranteeing that each message only gets the reaction once is unnecessary, I agree
it only overcomplicates something that doesn't need to be complicated
But a "reset" once the message is edited feels okay
azure shard
Solution 1 is killing solution 2 anyway, that was just an additional idea from my side if the first suggestion won’t be approved
cold shell
In the scenario where the emoji doesn't get deleted he doesn't have any sort of feedback anyways
@jaunty oracle I usually keep my messages unedited so people can see the mistake I made and the respective correction
I’m not quite following the “only one reaction” discussion
dire tinsel
I think that the presence or the absence of the emoji wouldn't change the way people perceive correction. It's always a heroic act to flag someone and let them know that something went wrong. At least, it opens dialogue, and the most important thing is always to understand your mistake. So, we simply shouldn't overthink it.
chrome shadow
Sure but no one will edit the message for another reason, see that the emoji is gone and think "right, my message is correct now", so it's not a big deal imo
@jaunty oracle I don't get that sentence
if I edited a message and the emote got removed, I'd assume that meant my sentence would be correct, even if my edit didn't fix the mistakes (which I obviously wouldn't know)
dire tinsel
if I edited a message and the emote got removed, I'd assume that meant my sentence would be correct, even if my edit didn't fix the mistakes (which I obviously wouldn't know)
Under normal circumstances you wouldn't have time to double edit your message. Especially if you follow the flow in the conversation (which is sometimes pretty fast). You might just end up asking more questions about the correction.
chrome shadow
why would I have to make two edits for that to happen ?
jaunty oracle
@jaunty oracle I don't get that sentence
if I edited a message and the emote got removed, I'd assume that meant my sentence would be correct, even if my edit didn't fix the mistakes (which I obviously wouldn't know)
@chrome shadow I get what you mean, but if you see that the emote gets instantly removed after editing, it seems pretty improbable that the person who added the emoji removed it. I think you're making a valid point tho. I mean worst case scenario in the situation we have now is seeing that the person edited the post and telling them "hey, it's still wrong"
cold shell
One usually doesn’t know what is wrong with the sentence if the only reaction to it is a... well, reaction
craggy crater
Yeah... there is often no follow up
chrome shadow
yes lorenz but if it still requires people to take action afterwards there's no point in removing the reaction automatically if that makes sense
you wouldn't gain anything
dire tinsel
why would I have to make two edits for that to happen ?
It was just a hypothetical scenario in which you're first edit wasn't enough. Anyways, I think you'd be wise enough to notice it. Especially if you were explicitely told how to say it correctly.
jaunty oracle
So Actually I kinda agree with Syro
chrome shadow
that's just a lot of "if"s
jaunty oracle
He convinced me, because here's the situation
If the reaction image gets automatically removed, you still need to be actively monitoring the sentence to click on it again
so it's not that far from telling the person, after they edited, that their message is still wrong
chrome shadow
exactly, which is objectively even harder than removing the reaction yourself by simply clicking on it
dire tinsel
If the reaction image gets automatically removed, you still need to be actively monitoring the sentence to click on it again
yeah. and you might not have time to do that.
jaunty oracle
if the emote gets automatically removed and you're not monitoring, it could lead to some, granted not many, people thinking "hey, they removed the emote so it must be correct now" and lead to an unproductive learning experience
blazing crane
honestly i think people should just leave the bloody mistakes there
jaunty oracle
whereas leaving it as it is would completely negate that chance
blazing crane
what's the point in correcting them afterwards? Looking good in the eyes of history?
jaunty oracle
Yeah I think everyone should leave their messages edited, but fact is that most people don't and there's no way to enforce it so
craggy crater
what is this, Putin's Russia?
chrome shadow
I don't get how that is relevant to the discussion, people edit their sentences all the time and this shouldn't be about whether they should do that or not, it's their decision
blazing crane
i edit messages if i notice a mistake after i've posted them, but only if i think it hasn't been noticed yet. If the discussion has moved on (which includes anyone mentioning the mistake) i just leave it there. It's not like it's shameful to make mistakes in german on a german learning server ffs
I don't get how that is relevant to the discussion, people edit their sentences all the time and this shouldn't be about whether they should do that or not, it's their decision
@chrome shadow ok then why should we care if they edit the message when there's a certain reaction on it?
if you make a joke and i react with do we need to remove it if you edit the message and take the joke out?
chrome shadow
because the sentence could still be wrong after the edit but the emote is gone which suggests to the user that the sentence is now correct
nimble pebble
So having the emote still there would suggest it's wrong then?
jaunty oracle
It's a small portion of people that are gonna think that, but the most convincing point is that there's 0% of people who will end up with this unfortunate misunderstanding with the current setup
and then it's correct but has the
@blazing crane Yeah they will just not know, but it's better than thinking you got it right
blazing crane
So having the emote still there would suggest it's wrong then?
@nimble pebble to whom though? The user themself knows and any passers-by sees (edited) and thus has the chance to doubt
chrome shadow
my point is that a user, a human, can decide if a sentence is still wrong after an edit and the bot can't
blazing crane
if they don't doubt they can ask about it
chrome shadow
so it's up to the person reacting to remove their reactions
blazing crane
and if they ask about it someone call tell them the user shouldn't have edited the message because there's no point to it
jaunty oracle
Yeah at the end of the day you need a person actively monitoring the sentence to decide if it's still correct or not, so there's really no automation needed
blazing crane
i have to be honest, i think it's borderline insane to think people would keep checking sentences they'd reacted to in order to see if they've been corrected
nimble pebble
But if one person doesn't remove it and you would be gone for a moment after editing, then you would have no idea to tell which of those reactions were meant for how the statement was in the beginning or if the reactions still apply
blazing crane
i don't even know why this discussion exists at all
dire tinsel
The purpose of the flag is to create awareness, right? So since you have a correction (which is usually a few messages below), or if you dare ask why your message was wrong, who cares if the flag is not removed. When people will read through the history, they'll understand what's going on. I see no point on emphasizing to remove or not to remove it.
chrome shadow
nobody forces you to take part in it, just refrain from it then
azure shard
As already said, my point is, that a correct sentence is marked wrong and that’s usually not the case, that just happened with that emoji now. And in my opinion that’s worse than a wrong sentence unmarked. I understand what you guys mean but it needs to be communicated and that’s it. If it’s written in the rules, it’s not our responsibility if people read it or not. But I don’t want to have the “wrong” mark at correct sentences with my name so I will just stop using it then
nimble pebble
I think there actually are some people checking at least a little bit after that. And those people's reaction wouldn't mean anything anymore if the ones from before don't get removed
blazing crane
i was literally pinged at least twice to ask for my opinion considering i suggested and defended the proposal in the first place and i have it successfully implemented on a community i'm mod of
As already said, my point is, that a correct sentence is marked wrong and that’s usually not the case, that just happened with that emoji now. And in my opinion that’s worse than a wrong sentence unmarked. I understand what you guys mean but it needs to be communicated and that’s it. If it’s written in the rules, it’s not our responsibility if people read it or not. But I don’t want to have the “wrong” mark at correct sentences with my name so I will just stop using it then
@azure shard then make the users aware that they don't need to edit messages to correct mistakes
nimble pebble
For the purpose of this discussion I would rather just assume that either behaviour is possible, although I agree that it would be nice if the messages weren't edited
azure shard
Excuse me, but I think that’s something different. Then I would expect something from the users to DO or in this case not to do but I can’t avoid it, so it’s basically same same like now
blazing crane
and i strongly disagree on it being worse than a wrong sentence unmarked.
- if you really think so, don't use at all, and avoid the risk on your part.
- if someone thinks a correct sentence is incorrect because of it, they can't really act on it except by asking, and if they ask they'll find out the truth: no problem, no victims.
nimble pebble
So yeah, there is basically no gain and no loss right now
But there could be gain from every left reaction for the ones that read over conversations later
blazing crane
if you read a conversation later you know it's old, so the absence of reactions when there's maybe a mention of them could even confuse you
azure shard
I actually like it and therefor suggested how to make it better and easier to use for both sides, the ones who use them and the ones who get them. I guess you can’t see it neither just from one perspective nor from just the other
If that makes sense
blazing crane
and even if they're there you'll presumably be wise enough to know that if a message is edited, the emoji's meaning might not be current anymore
nimble pebble
The confusion could happen, yes
the emoji's meaning might not be current anymore
Yeah, that's the case currently. But knowing that they get deleted after editing if they were, they would be current at any time
blazing crane
yeah so, keeping in mind that (imo) it doesn't matter either way at all, the issue boils down to whether having a false negative is worse than having a false positive
if i had to choose i'd automatically remove the emoji on edit and it's the user's responsibility if they still kept errors in there, because nobody forces them to edit the message in the first place
but i do find the matter silly overall
nimble pebble
I noticed 
azure shard
If I set the reaction I feel kind of responsible for it, so I’m trying to take care of it afterwards. I wouldn’t feel good if my reaction would be still there when the sentence was corrected. Everyone needs to be aware, that if the sentence is edited, it has to be reviewed again and just the edit doesn’t correct the sentence by itself. I think we should anyway think of both sides and the workload for the ones that want to help. It feels pretty weird that this doesn’t count at all in the discussion. I think we all need each other, without people using it, or not using it in the right, careful way, it’s definitely useless.
nimble pebble
But isn't it safe to assume that there will be lots of false negatives anyways?
Cause we won't react to aaall the wrong German sentences on this server
So at least all of the positives would be correct (at least in the opinion of the one(s) who reacted with it)
azure shard
@jaunty oracle I don't get that sentence
if I edited a message and the emote got removed, I'd assume that meant my sentence would be correct, even if my edit didn't fix the mistakes (which I obviously wouldn't know)
@chrome shadow in my opinion it just assumes „everything is open now“ like before. And I guess people can make a difference between correcting grammar or something not really important eg punctuation marks
But, like I also already said, maybe it would make sense to evaluate the already existing messages which still have the reaction to see if they are still wrong or not, if edited
blazing crane
If I set the reaction I feel kind of responsible for it, so I’m trying to take care of it afterwards.
then take your time re-checking posts you've reacted to to remove it. I don't think it'd be fair to expect others to feel the same way you do, however
azure shard
Alright, how can I see all the posts I marked with needs improvement?
blazing crane
no specific way to search for them, you'd have to use your scroll wheel
azure shard
As soon as I get paid for it, no problem
Don’t forget that people are helping here for free
solar hedge
so are the mods, if that's what you are arguing lol
azure shard
Are you kidding me?
Im discussing here cause I was asked to start a discussion here about it
I am telling you that I’m here to help in my free time and it’s not a job, means, it would take A LOT of time to scroll, which I don’t have, unfortunately
broken phoenix
Could someone explain to me, what's the point and why Stella can't get what she wants
nimble pebble
can't cat?
broken phoenix
get* lol
solar hedge
I'm just saying, that even the mods are doing this for free. I was very interested in the point you made about the Reaction, because I've seen it happen multiple times. What I tend to do is, if I make a mistake and someone corrects it, I don't edit it. I just thank them and move on. If I make a mistake and realise that I could correct it, I edit it.
nimble pebble
Well, because this is a thing the whole community will feel the effects of, so we are having an open discussion about it here
azure shard
I said what I had to say about it, kindly inform me about the decision as soon as it’s made, if that’s possible
broken phoenix
does anyone use it out of the nur-deutsch channel?
balmy steppe
Yes
devout spruce
Use what?
devout spruce
Ah ok
broken phoenix
I haven't noticed anyone using that flag though
not that much to consider it at least
nimble pebble
It's definitely used ^^
balmy steppe
It's newish
vagrant python
es ist noch neu
devout spruce
They use it in #nurdeutsch
balmy steppe
I want one with fire
That's when it's so wrong you just need the burn the sentence cause there's no way to save it
devout spruce
Btw Stella used it very well
broken phoenix
I mean except #german-only
fathom vector
I don't get how this whole "doing things for free" thread started. It doesn't matter on either side for this issue lol.
devout spruce
I thought we talk about an emoji??
balmy steppe
Wow is nur-deutsch such a cesspool of terrible German?
devout spruce
Lol no comment
broken phoenix
So in which way is it going to have an impact on all people chatting?
nimble pebble
It can be used by anyone for any sentence. If I talk to you in German now and it might be wrong, it can even be used here. It's definitely not just Stella that is affected if you mean that
balmy steppe
You're muted if you excede your monthly quota
devout spruce
Well Bulli, Stella is helping all the learners there
broken phoenix
But if it is used incorrectly why should we consider it anyway
balmy steppe
You'll get a dm saying: you have made 50 for the month. We suggest you take time and review the basics of German.
nimble pebble
What is used incorrectly, Snorri?
devout spruce
How can it be used incorrectly sniffi?
broken phoenix
by trolls for example
balmy steppe
Like someone flags it but there's nothing wrong with the sentence
devout spruce
Aha ok
azure shard
That’s not avoidable anyway
balmy steppe
Why do I feel like that's directed at me snorri
azure shard
But I would appreciate if you could put the focus on the discussion and not on me personally
devout spruce
Maybe only natives should use it?
nimble pebble
Snorri, that's another issue and a person trolling with it repeatedly may lose their opportunity to use it at all (according to a statement of a mod before)
Which I find reasonable
There are definitely mistakes out there that can be corrected by non natives. Just don't be a troll or to unsure when using it
You can always make it a question instead of a "you are wrong" reaction / statement
devout spruce
It’s not about you Stella, but about you helping others in #german-only
azure shard
Why don’t we just vote till let’s say tomorrow evening, 24 hours? Is that an option?
broken phoenix
Voting for the change
azure shard
And that’s it and we’re not spending more time discussing it
cold shell
Wow is nur-deutsch such a cesspool of terrible German?
Sorry can I laugh at this
I've been away. Let me take time to understand what's going on
broken phoenix
I still didn't get the point why the icon can't be automatically removed after editing the message
devout spruce
Feel free Babsi
blazing crane
Why don’t we just vote till let’s say tomorrow evening, 24 hours? Is that an option?
@azure shard i'd be in favour of voting. What are the proposed options though?
nimble pebble
Feel free to read what was stated above, Snorri. Discussion starts here https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/676090288275587072/726834287524970597
cold shell
Leave the situation as it is, aka people react to posts and if they want to unreact that's on them
A bot will unreact automatically when a sentence is edited
These are the options
nimble pebble
if you don't understand something you can ask the person in question about it here
blazing crane
there, feel free to add your vote to 1 or 2
nimble pebble
Yeah, then it would work
cold shell
This should be pinned then or smth?
broken phoenix
Feel free to read what was stated above, Snorri. Discussion starts here https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/676090288275587072/726834287524970597
As for me it's obvious and I don't really see any reason to not apply this suggestion
nimble pebble
Feel free to make it obvious for the others as well by providing some arguments apart from no one else but Stella using it
Cause that's not the case ^^
devout spruce
Didn’t you say that you use it too Bulli?
nimble pebble
I use it, too. Why is that relevant?
balmy steppe
Yeah bulli 😠
fathom vector
To make it slightly more official,
placid oracleBOT
Arrem#4798 asks: What to do with the emoji? (Please read the discussion starting at https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/676090288275587072/726834287524970597 before voting and feel free to share your thoughts.)
1⃣: The bot should remove the reaction automatically when a message with it is edited.
2⃣: The bot should do nothing when a message is edited.
balmy steppe
Your sentence was convoluted and I had to read it twice
I initially misunderstood it :)
If you hate liberty vote 1
azure shard
I just want to point out that I’m not taking it personally at all, in case it was not clear. Thank you all for voting, no matter if 1 or 2! 😊
balmy steppe
Thanks Stella
I often wished that people wouldn't edit their deformed sentence
I read comments about what people did wrong only to scroll up and not know
Cause of edits
We want to see your defective sentences
broken phoenix
What was the whole converation for if most of the people intrested are for the change anyway
azure shard
Maybe we should think of the suggestion that posts with that reaction can’t be edited anymore 🤭😂
broken phoenix
Do you intend something...
azure shard
I’m not sure if it is cause it could be that this is a right provided by discord and not controllable by admins
balmy steppe
Yeah ^
azure shard
It was actually a joke but feel free to suggest of course if you want 😂
balmy steppe
No then people will call it trax s rule and I'll get hate dms
gaunt bridge
Ich denke, es ist wichtig, dass Leute wählen können, ob sie die Nachrichten ändern oder nicht. Weil sie sonst vielleicht zu schüchtern würden, überhaupt zu schreiben.
azure shard
🤭 *zu schüchtern wären
gaunt bridge
Danke!
blazing crane
in a perfect world, everyone is Base
solar hedge
but everyone can follow the conversation to see the correction
therefore i just voted for both
broken phoenix
but you can think on your own what you can say better
azure shard
Definitely depends also on the length of the message
gaunt bridge
Manchmal ändere ich meine Sätze, zB wenn er einfach das falsche Geschlecht hätte.
azure shard
Die Sätze, Plural
gaunt bridge
Oh, die zweite ist der Satz.
nimble pebble
und nicht hätte, sondern haben
broken phoenix
Wie lange müssen wir noch auf das Ergebnis warten?
azure shard
Bis morgen Snorri 🙃
devout spruce
I don’t really like to correct everyone because I think that it‘s not my role or they prolly don’t want to be corrected
gaunt bridge
Wenn sie in diesem Server sind und auch Lerner sind und niemals "korrigiert mich nicht" sagen, wollen sie korrigiert werden.
gaunt bridge
Das ist wie dieser Server funktioniert.
broken phoenix
Gott sei dank, dass er funktioniert
devout spruce
Ok, manchmal frage ich die Leute ob sie korrigiert werden wollen
gaunt bridge
Einfach gesagt, "korrigiert werden" ist "default" (keine Ahnung wie man das auf Deutsch sagt).
azure shard
PLEASE DONT FORGET TO VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE OPTION! 🙂
broken phoenix
Ja, Sasha definitiv. Ich bin mir immer noch nicht sicher, ob ich einen Satz im Gespräch mit dir korrekt gesagt habe
xd
azure shard
Standard, Base
gaunt bridge
Danke.
devout spruce
D.h du möchtest dass korrigiert wird, base?
Ja, Sasha definitiv. Ich bin mir immer noch nicht sicher, ob ich einen Satz im Gespräch mit dir korrekt gesagt habe
@broken phoenix echt?
broken phoenix
können also zwei Gebäude durch einen Durchgang verbunden sein ?
devout spruce
Korrekt
devout spruce
Ja wenn er korrekt ist sag ich sowieso nix 🙂
broken phoenix
die anderen Fehler habe ich höchstwahrscheinlich einfach nicht bemerkt
devout spruce
War
broken phoenix
Danke
azure shard
Leute, ich störe ungern, aber ich denke der Channel ist nicht unbedingt für generelle Unterhaltungen gedacht 😇
devout spruce
Die nächste Frage ist, soll wirklich jeder kleine Fehler korrigiert werden?
cold shell
nimble pebble
Tippfehler würd ich nicht korrigieren
devout spruce
Soll der Fehler auch erklärt werden?
cold shell
Man weiß manchmal nicht was ein Tippfehler ist und was nicht
broken phoenix
Das ist eine Motivationsrede für unsere Befürworter
devout spruce
Ich kann meistens nicht erklären
broken phoenix
Die ist am Platz xd
grave knot
Having the user show the old and corrected message would be nice, though unlikely.
gaunt bridge
Ich korrigiere normalerweise nur was wichtig scheint für den Lerner.
nimble pebble
Ich schaue immer aufs Level und ich kenne ja auch einige. Wenn du jetzt schreibst "didcord" statt "discord"
Würd ich das nicht korrigieren
höchstens einen Witz drüber machen
nimble pebble
Absolut zufällig gewähltes Beispiel 
azure shard
😂😂😂
gaunt bridge
zB für Anfänger sind die einfachen Dingen wie Level A Themen wichtig. Aber schwieriger Dinge nicht so wichtig, weil sie das nicht verstehen und auch später lernen können.
grave knot
Sonst wird es der- oder diejenige dir ja auch sagen. ^^
gaunt bridge
Naja, gib mal dein Bestes, und das wird reichen.
devout spruce
Ok ich versuch‘s
glad fjord
hello! i think ill run reading with fairytales this week
does anyone have a link to the Brother Grimm ones, i was thinking of picking one and maybe reading two versions of it, the Grimm one and a simplified version
or just the Grimm ones, depends on what people want
nimble pebble
https://www.grimmstories.com/de/grimm_maerchen/list
Wie ist das hier?
nimble pebble
I also know the famous ones only :b
blazing crane
i like rapunzel
grave knot
My favourite is Aschenbrödel (Cinderella). In fact, there's a beautiful film adaptation we could watch together at some point.
azure shard
https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/676090288275587072/726873384050491414 please don’t forget to vote 🙂
signal idol
My favourite is Aschenbrödel (Cinderella). In fact, there's a beautiful film adaptation we could watch together at some point.
drei Nüsse? or is there a more recent one you mean?
grave knot
Yes, that one. ^^
gaunt bridge
I'm creating a small homework related to the last beginner session on Saturday. If anyone has any awesome homework tasks they want to give me to add to it, feel free to DM me the material.
glad fjord
I have a good text book
humble sparrow
which textbook is that? (i'm always hungry for textbooks)
glad fjord
Kontakte: Tschirner Nikolai
I got it from a buddy who lives life on the edge and wrote in it tho
humble sparrow
lmao that's also the textbook we used at uni for a level
glad fjord
So many of the exersises already have answeres which may or may not be wrong
humble sparrow
by any chance does he go to UTS?
glad fjord
Yeah same, but at UNSW
humble sparrow
ah. sadly my copy is at my parents since i don't need to reference a level grammar these days
glad fjord
I google stuff when i get stuck, but i might consider getting hammers
gaunt bridge
Hammer's is the best.
glad fjord
I brought the book Kontakte with me for the purpose of teaching from it
gaunt bridge
Basically any time a weird obscure grammar argument comes up, somehow Hammer's has at least some comment on it.
glad fjord
Wow hot it solves every possible problem
humble sparrow
it sucks for beginners because it's written in german and aimed at those already fairly fluent in the language (if not wholly fluent) but i've found my copy of Duden Die Grammatik to be super useful for some obscure bits of grammar. e.g. the infamous futur ii passiv mit modalverb
glad fjord
Thats fun!
Theres a nice book store in the city, ill see if they have a copy of either of those at somepoint
gaunt bridge
@lofty heron Btw with a listening comprehension, I think that would be really cool. Would you read out a text and then ask people questions about it or something?
Or maybe get people to try pronouncing parts themselves after listening to a native speaker read them?
lofty heron
I had soemthing like your first mention in mind, but the second one also seems very intriguing 😄
I remember from my time doing swedish, I enjoyed the listening comp the most since it was soemtimes very challenging
it depends on what texts I could find
Still not sure if it would be a more formal sorta thing (aka a written text that gets read and then some questions to its content) or more informal (aka. having a conversation in german, daily life stuff)
gaunt bridge
Feel free to ask here if you want help with finding texts btw.
I'm sure plenty of people can give ideas/links.
lofty heron
Yeh if someone around here has some sweet material I'd be very happy 😊
If someone else wants to do a similar thing btw, that would also be nice ^.^ Otherwise they'll all learn Franconian dialect and nothing else!!
lofty heron
btw yo @fathom vector the survey is like 24 hrs now right 😏
cold shell
I don't think we'll get enough voters to turn the survey around, either
midnight dune
we can always re-emote
fathom vector
I don't think we'll get enough voters to turn the survey around, either
Hey now we can make alts
But yeah bippity boppity the poll is now close uhhh closeoppity.
fierce sapphire
@gaunt bridge Can you please delete my roles
I don't want to be mentioned,in channels
signal idol
you can remove them yourself with the bot
fierce sapphire
how?
signal idol
Groups
We currently have 2 other kinds of opt-in roles (besides CEFR levels). You may add these roles by using the >sub command, such as >sub gaming or >sub all. Type >groups into the #botchannel to see all the available groups. Similarly, you can use >unsub to leave a group.
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midnight dune
yo, weird question, can i also post text i found cool in totd
nimble pebble
What's totd? 👀
gaunt bridge
#thing-of-the-day
nimble pebble
Oooh
balmy steppe
No rules. So why not hecke
lofty heron
So I thought a bit about the listening thing and I believe that, although the second mention from you Base sounded pretty interesting, I'm not sure I could do such a thing with a larger group of people (cuz then people would like get 2 sentences or so and that's meh). I believe that a. "answer questions to the listening" could include more people
I'd probably try to do a test run with some folks that wanna help me first as well, since we all know the first time is always messy X(
gaunt bridge
You're welcome to use the hidden group VC feature of the groups. Idk if you know it, but there's a bot command so you can create a channel for a specific group (e.g. Activities) and everyone with that tag can see it.
Maybe if you do that + make the session level B-C then it will be a smaller and easier group to try it with.
lofty heron
Now I just need to find a text that I could try lol. I'll see if I can find something in a book here so no one can cheat lol
gaunt bridge
help session
jovial zealotBOT
gaunt bridge
session create grammar 23h3m Beginner German: Lesson 2 - A session aimed at complete beginners, discussing nominative and accusative case, and how to construct basic sentences
jovial zealotBOT
Okay @gaunt bridge. Your session has been scheduled for in 23 hours and 3 minutes.
gaunt bridge
sessions
jovial zealotBOT
gaunt bridge
session post 1 This coming Saturday at 4pm UTC/GMT (6pm Germany time) - same time as last weekend - we're going to have our second beginner German session! Everyone is welcome, but the sessions are aimed at absolute beginners. This week we'll be learning about indefinite articles, accusative case and how to construct basic sentences and questions.
jovial zealotBOT
:white_check_mark: Message has been added to the session info.
gaunt bridge
session info 1
jovial zealotBOT
glad fjord
session create reading 11h44m Reading German Fairytales:
jovial zealotBOT
Okay @glad fjord. Your session has been scheduled for in 11 hours and 44 minutes.
jovial zealotBOT
fathom vector
Just do >session edit 2 new text here.
jovial zealotBOT
glad fjord
session info 3
jovial zealotBOT
gaunt bridge
>session info for Session Holders:
The new >session command allows you to create sessions and make pings/posts for that session. People can then view this info using the command >sessions to see a list of upcoming sessions and >session info [ID#] to see additional posts for a specific session with a specific ID. Feel free to try those two commands in #botchannel to see how they work, but we ask that you don’t use the other commands until you’re making an actual session. Instead, you can see an example of how the command is used here: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/676090288275587072/728655726771306566
In order to use the feature as a session-creator, you must first create a new session with a brief description using the command >session create [group name] [time] [description]. Once the session is created, you can then get the session ID for use with other commands. >session ping [ID#] [text] works exactly like >group ping [group name] [text] but adds any announcements to the >session info [ID#] list of “session posts”. You can also add a post without a ping/announcement using >session post [ID#] [text]; for example, if you want to add extra info or corrections without pinging everyone twice.
Note that any person who is a group moderator for a particular group may edit other people’s sessions for that group. For example, if I make a Grammar session, anyone who is a group mod for Grammar may edit my session. We ask that you use these permissions responsibly; for example, if someone is taking over your session because you’re unavailable.
Currently the sessions require the time format 1w5d12h, 1h30m, etc. but this will be improved in future. Same goes for the time display - it’s subject to change and we’ll keep you updated. Aside from that, feel free to give us any feedback about the commands and let us know if you have any questions.
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balmy steppe
Who made the server icon and specifically what was used?
humble sparrow
the people are listed here:
https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/251115764680097794/726498295412949064
multiple tools were used i presume since multiple people contributed
balmy steppe
Thanks sun
onyx thunder
How do "study groups" work?
gaunt bridge
The VCs? They're just small channels that people requested so they can study with only a small number of people.
onyx thunder
Oh, is there a specific channel I can find some people to study with?
gaunt bridge
Not really. You can ask in #beginner-german or #general-2 and see if people reply.
onyx thunder
Oh, okay. thanks.
lofty heron
@gaunt bridge I'm a bit behind on how session stuff works, is there still a way to create a throwaway VC and textchannel? :3
gaunt bridge
Yeah but you need to be a group mod of that particular group to do it, I believe.
Which group do you want to use? @lofty heron
There's Grammar, Reading, Advanced Reading and Activities.
lofty heron
uhh 
Does Listening Comprehension count as advanced? Not sure. Maybe Activities is more reasonable
gaunt bridge
Okay, sounds reasonable to me.
And if you're wondering about it, the Reading / Advanced Reading distinction is basically because we wanted a role specifically for B2+ reading since it caters to a specific niche. Whereas Reading is all ages (can include B2+ stuff too but encourages all levels to join).
lofty heron
I see! That makes sense 😄
lofty heron
Question: Is there a github/gitlab/whatever you use page for the bots? I want to see which group commands exist without spamming the help command lmao
chrome shadow
why would you need to spam it 
just invoke >>help group in #botchannel
lofty heron
nevermind, maybe I'm just rly dumb
gaunt bridge
session create Grammar 1d17h1m Beginner German: Lesson 3 - A session aimed at complete beginners. In this session, we will discuss greetings, self-introductions, and talking about family, pets and hobbies, including relevant vocabulary.
jovial zealotBOT
Sorry but this description is too long (205/200 characters).Please use the >session post command to add detailed information about your session.
gaunt bridge
session create Grammar 1d17h1m Beginner German: Lesson 3 - A session aimed at complete beginners. In this session, we will discuss greetings, self-introductions, and talking about family, pets and hobbies.
jovial zealotBOT
Okay @gaunt bridge. Your session has been scheduled for in 1 day, 17 hours and 1 minute.
gaunt bridge
sessions
jovial zealotBOT
glad fjord
session create Reading 2d3h20m Reading and Translating- a reading circle event where we take turns reading a passage aloud and then translating it.
Open for all levels of German
jovial zealotBOT
Okay @glad fjord. Your session has been scheduled for in 2 days, 3 hours and 20 minutes.
glad fjord
I think i got the time right this time
gaunt bridge
Not sure if you know it already, but it's usually best to create the session first, then ping. So that your ping info is saved in the lesson info.
jovial zealotBOT
gaunt bridge
You can also add the info without pinging (e.g. if you forgot to use the session command) using >session post
jovial zealotBOT
glad fjord
session post 6 Hey everyone reading and translating Tintenherz again this week.
Where: lessons channel
When: Saturday 1pm CET
jovial zealotBOT
:white_check_mark: Message has been added to the session info.
glad fjord
@gaunt bridge would it be possible to set the bot so that old session numbers can be reused
Else were gonna get a session 154 kinda issue
glad fjord
I see
gaunt bridge
Like if it's the same session, like your readings.
You can use the >session reschedule command to update the time.
And I also did consider making it so that it would just have numbers 1, 2, 3... etc each time, however... once you get into it, it creates an issue.
glad fjord
Fair enough
gaunt bridge
Are there any native speakers out there (or fluent with good accent) who want to help me record some short audio clips for learners sometime today or tomorrow? If so, reply here or DM me.
grave knot
Are there any native speakers out there (or fluent with good accent) who want to help me record some short audio clips for learners sometime today or tomorrow? If so, reply here or DM me.
@gaunt bridge Aye.
Ideally tomorrow, I'm not home for long after work.
gaunt bridge
No problem. And I forgot to add, but at least 2-3 people would be good, so if anyone else still wants to help, I'm still looking for more people.
signal idol
I'll gladly help if I can be of help
signal idol
I’d like to request (once more) for this emoji to be added. Use case: e.g. to react when someone writes B instead of ß. Yes I know we have 
but well that’s a beta not an ß
grave knot
But Beta makes it memeier. ^^
signal idol
yea but also less clear
lofty heron
@gaunt bridge well since I do the listening comprehension already anyway I can help as well
gaunt bridge
Oh yeah, nice.
viral thicket
i still dont get why is called beta when it doesnt make any sense on this server 😛
signal idol
because it’s a β, not a ß
viral thicket
so what, it looks like a ß and thats what its used for 😛
subtle patio
i know the horizontal line is a leftover from the historical long s, but is exactly how eszett is displayed in some fonts
on that note, a lot of the emojis on the server do have very cryptic names 👀
lofty heron
btw @gaunt bridge When do you need the recordings? 😄
gaunt bridge
@lofty heron Oh, well, it's not urgent. I'll just ping everyone who offered, after I finish working on it. I was planning to finish it today but I didn't get time for it.
cold shell
You gave three very good points so I’d like to just state that I agree with you.
Some time ago I said something in #german-only in the lines of “what about granting level roles only for those who can prove they have these levels”, and it wasn’t even a serious suggestion, but more of a product of the discussion of a problem much like this one. And someone said this makes no sense because the point is not to institutionalise such roles. Yet when the roles are low-key being monitored and somehow enforced so that people fit in specific levels... This gets really confusing. Either let members pick their roles or take this right away from everyone and only grant roles based on whatever makes you think someone should have such and such level (but do consider what Salonce wrote regarding determining levels). There is no way of combining those two.
fathom vector
Base will respond to your message in detail, but for Babsi, we generally don't force level roles upon anyone, we only intervene if we see that they're clearly inappropriate and intended to misguide. Salonce was given B because his response to Base's plea not to be too critical of himself was to give himself the C role. If you simply don't mess with roles and stay green or take A/B, we won't have the need to change your roles.
signal idol
well, if a B2 speaker gives themselves the A role there would surely be complaining too
gaunt bridge
I don't quite understand why I am forced to have an ‘accurate’ opinion about my language level
We don't mind what your opinion is about anything. We only have expectations/rules about what people say in the server, not what their opinions are.
not to being allowed to joke about it
While one or two casual jokes would not be seen as an issue, this issue is recurring for weeks now, has been brought up by multiple concerned people, and your behaviour regarding it is not something I would consider a joke. We do actually have rules against excessive self-deprecating behaviour and we do tend to ask people not to significantly over- or understate their roles.
Minor discrepancies aren’t an issue, of course, but intentionally lying about your role to a noticeable degree as a way to self-deprecate, and repeatedly stating self-deprecating messages in the server over a significant period of time, to such a point that people are concerned about it and commenting about it - that is not a joke and it’s something the mod team is going to address.
So I would rather not have forcefully granted “B Role”.
You intentionally abused the bot by giving yourself the Level C role and also posting multiple messages of a similar nature in the server. Given this intentional bot abuse, we removed your bot perms (as we do with anyone who abuses the bot). And we decided to give you the Level B role, because we felt it would help people avoid confusion about the false claims you were making during that time (about being Level C, etc.). Simply put, that “forceful” granting of the role was entirely a result of your own inappropriate actions.
but am I am getting formally punished for stating opinions about my own skills
Aside from the above mentioned issue with bot-abuse, I don’t believe you have received any punishment for this issue at all. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
there are people who don’t actually care about the roles and the language levels and treat them more like guidance
Yes, we have no problem with people “not caring” about the roles. This issue isn’t about roles at all. It is about your behaviour in the server.
I find the strict surveillance over everything anybody says about their skills as a big overreach
We rarely even pay attention to this kind of thing at all unless - as with this issue - it gets brought up to us multiple times, creates an issue over a significant period of time, we have to address it personally multiple times, and the behaviour is relatively over-the-top.
@dim shoal
Either let members pick their roles or take this right away from everyone and only grant roles based on whatever makes you think someone should have such and such level
We let everyone pick their roles unless we see a significant discrepancy or we run into an issue like the above described, with the bot abuse and so on.
@cold shell
That role assignment approach has worked very well for us for the past years and we've had no significant issues with it.
gaunt bridge
@lofty heron @signal idol @grave knot Okay, I have several small scripts written for the recordings now. This is my first time trying it so I'm not sure how it will go, but let me know when you're free (sometime before Tuesday preferably) and we can do a VC where I can record it.
signal idol
do you want me to practice a more german accent
if so please send me the snippets ahead of time
if not I’ll just talk my usual swissly accented standard, a bit of variety can’t hurt
but if it’s for A1 speakers maybe not
(I don’t know what you’re planning exactly, listening comprehension?)
gaunt bridge
Yes.
gaunt bridge
I mean, it doesn't have to be a discussion. All we're really asking is that you tone down the self-degrading speech. That doesn't mean you have to mindlessly praise yourself either. Just avoid making those self-deprecating comments. If you think about saying something self-deprecating, just don't post it. It's as simple as that. @dim shoal
Yes, I'm very serious. You're not in trouble and there are no hard feelings from us towards you. It's just a straight-forward request.
Not really. As in the previous interactions, we're asking you to simply be more mindful about what you post on the server. It's nothing to do with emotional states.
cold shell
I struggle to see which rules he’s breaking
gaunt bridge
The rule about excessive self-deprecation in the server. You can read about it in the extended rules. It's not written in the short form of the rules.
And as I said anyway, no one is in trouble. We were only making a request that it be toned down. I'm not exactly sure why you want to make it such a difficult situation. It's very straight-forward. But I understand some people have a difficult time understanding when they're crossing a line, so I'm open to further discussions in DMs about it in future, if you want to talk more in depth about the situation.
cold shell
Why is there an extended rule and a short form? Where’s the extended rule?
gaunt bridge
Because the extended rules are too long to post in the server.
cold shell
Found it
gaunt bridge
It's linked in #rules
It's a Google doc.
It has examples and more specific information about the server guidelines.
cold shell
I would comment on how this makes things more complicated but I know it would be a lost battle
Let me check the doc anyway
gaunt bridge
Feel free to point out the contradiction and I'll try to clarify it for you.
Okay, that's all we're asking anyway. If the issue can be resolved simply, that's the best outcome.
azure shard
gaunt bridge
@grave knot Are you available today to do the audio stuff?
grave knot
Yep! I can also send you audio files if that's easier.
gaunt bridge
Well my plan is to have you guys go into a VC and I'll just record it.
@signal idol @lofty heron @grave knot Are you guys all available right now to do it? Or should it be later today?
lofty heron
I just woke up but I'm ready to go if everyone else is!
signal idol
uh yea sure I have some time rn
grave knot
Yeah, I can be ready in ~5-10 mins.
gaunt bridge
Okay cool. In 15min just join whichever VC and I'll move everyone into a private VC.
signal idol
oh
I just got set up
I interpreted “right now” as “right now”
in 15 minutes we might be eating breakfast
lofty heron
😹
gaunt bridge
Well "right now" was a question, not a statement.
But we can do some right now and then some when Casca is back. Since obviously not everyone can do it at the same time anyway.
So if you guys want to read some now, go ahead and join a VC.
lofty heron
I was about to say that lol
balmy steppe
How much of a diva director is Base?
Can you do that one more time with more feelings and accentuating the ha in hallo bitte?
signal idol
the opposite. “sure, this will do” (is utter garbage)
onyx thunder
@gaunt bridge you left so much material for accusaitve self studying
im still doing it a week after 😂 takes a lot of time to translate, understand is it nominate/ accusative, get the right article . . .
gaunt bridge
What do you mean? @onyx thunder
onyx thunder
A lot of material haha
gaunt bridge
Oh, you just mean there's a lot of tasks?
I just like to add a lot because some people like to do a lot of homework.
onyx thunder
Yeah :D
gaunt bridge
Don't worry if you don't finish them all.
The only important goal is understanding the ideas.
If you understand it after one exercise, then that's good enough. If you do 3 exercises and still don't understand, then you need to do more.
balmy steppe
gaunt bridge
@balmy steppe ?
balmy steppe
The loudness discrepancies
gaunt bridge
What loudness discrepancies?
balmy steppe
Between the two people speaking
gaunt bridge
I don't get what you mean.
balmy steppe
To me the first person speaking was softer than the second person speaking
The second being Sasha
gaunt bridge
Oh I see, you made the first person louder than the second person, instead of the other way around?
I mean, the difference sounds identical to me, just that the tiny volume difference is the other person.
Btw it's way, way, way more useful if you actually explain stuff you post instead of just randomly posting a clip.
Actually now that I listen again, the difference in volume sounds more pronounced in the version you posted. Did you edit it manually or just apply a filter onto it?
balmy steppe
Yeah. It was probably the same for the first audio. But it just sounded faint in the second audio.
balmy steppe
I did a normalization filter in audacity
It's hard to tell because there's also echo involved in one.
gaunt bridge
In which one?
balmy steppe
I mean one speaker has an echo and one didnt
gaunt bridge
Does that affect the volume?
balmy steppe
It might affect the perception of loudness
balmy steppe
But I just up the volume cause I had a slight problem hearing the second audio
You mean the echo?
That's just my guess
But the actual loudness you can visually see
gaunt bridge
I mean does the echo affect your perception of loudness, or the program's ability to normalize?
gaunt bridge
Okay, so you meant your perception.
balmy steppe
And I don't think the program would know
But the actual difference in the volume you could visually see
It's probably true of the first audio
Audio 1
But it didn't seem so marked as in the second audio
Not sure why
gaunt bridge
What is true of the first audio?
balmy steppe
That the volume difference was the same
I'm assuming it's the same people
And so the relative volume difference was probably also there in Audio 1
gaunt bridge
Yes, the audio difference should be the same. The actual overall audio might be slightly louder but shouldn't be in a way that's difficult to hear.
balmy steppe
It was just harder in audio 2 for whatever reason
Meaning I only cared on the 3rd line of the second audio
lofty heron
TIL I'm dry
gaunt bridge
😹
balmy steppe
That's you catto? Drink more
lofty heron
Don't drink and talk lads!
lofty heron
But explain how not having an echo == dry? Isn't that what you'd prefer lol
balmy steppe
Yes dry mic is preferred
Cause then you can apply different reverbs to 'wet' it
I'm not sure why it called dry
The reason why a reverb is applied in this case is to better place the two speakers in the same room although in this case sashas reverb wasn't matched
signal idol
I don’t really have much control over my audio, I just have a mediocre headset
balmy steppe
It's not a complaint
gaunt bridge
If anyone here is interested in supervising/guiding the study group on Sunday, let me know. It doesn't need to be officially hosted, but it would be nice if someone can be there just to help it work smoothly.
Or even if you don't let me know, feel free to just drop in there during the session.
lofty heron
Don't know if I'll be around since I have some stuff to do this weekend but if I am, I can drop in and see if they need help. Can't promise it though >.<
gaunt bridge
Np.
glad fjord
Hi everyone
I was thinking of running a nur deutsch reading session next week
In der wir ein Buch (vielleicht Momo, ich bin aber für Vorschläge) vorlesen, dann die Szene, Dialoge unsw. auf Deutsch erklären.
Gebt mir mal Bescheid, wenn ihr Interesse daran habt, dann können wir eine (hoffentlich) gut passende Zeit für die Session koordinieren :D)
stable crescent
@glad fjord ja gerne
lofty heron
@glad fjord ||Are germans allowed to read too? :^)||
glad fjord
Ja klar! Es wäre toll wenn du dabei wärst! @lofty heron
gaunt bridge
@balmy steppe Well, just as a general consideration point: if the host felt there would be too many people, spending time on a native speaker might be wasteful if a lot of learners are there.
Like it's often not feasible in beginner sessions.
Whereas Advanced sessions are usually fine.
balmy steppe
I'd just limit the people struggling to read
gaunt bridge
In a beginner session??
balmy steppe
To give natives more time
gaunt bridge
Oh, I guess you're joking.
gaunt bridge
Like I said... It depends on the point of the session...
balmy steppe
But it depends on the goal of the session
And in beginner session the time is sometimes disproportionate
signal idol
in reading sessions I like to also ask for a turn reading just to get some feedback on (imitating a german) accent, so it’s still a learning thing for me, but honestly I still feel guilty about taking other people’s time away
balmy steppe
I mean like you can take less time than someone who's really struggling
gaunt bridge
Yeah, I mean, same thing there tbh, Sascha. Like if you're reading with a small group, it's no big deal. If it's a session where there's like 25 people, it's different. 😄
signal idol
and I do
balmy steppe
Sascha
For me reading is best for comprehension so it doesn't matter who reads
For pronunciation it's kind of a waste of time
glad fjord
Is it tho, i hear a lot of fun pronunciation things, and usually comment on it
Sometimes its just nice to have someone tell you when you’ve misinterpreted how to make a sound
Example, i hear a lot of fun ways of saying ei and ie, and having an easily remembered rule on hand helps clear that up
Or s(ch)t and s(ch)p, like in sprechen or stehen