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sturdy nacelle
Ein Kanal für Brote
sand bramble
See #282831147942281216 for information about group channels and other things you might want to know.
gritty geyser
suggest Can you create roles for native speakers of the most important languages (English, Italian, Japanese, Russian, Arabic, French, ecc.) like you did with the native German speakers, so everyone who wants to help/talk with a person can read what language does person actually speak and if he/she knows/understands that language can find the better way to help him/her?
dull horizonBOT
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gritty geyser
I know that there is already the channel #other-languages , but it would be easier for all to communicate with each others
sand bramble
We generally prefer not to create language/region roles because then we have to decide which languages/regions to include and there's a limit on how many roles a server can have.
gritty geyser
Ah ok
fickle turtle
That was such a great idea though
umbral blaze
I mean it also leads to a tonne of clutter
gloomy matrix
plus the CEFR colours + native take priority. and beyond what colour someone has, do you ever actually look at someone's roles. tbh there are plenty of people here who spend months here before they even learn what the colours mean because they don't read anything
static pulsar
People can add their languages to their nickname/description, and often do.
lofty oracle
do you ever actually look at someone's roles
w-well...
sand bramble
I occasionally look at yours to see if there are any new groups that you might want to be a part of, sonne. 😌
gloomy matrix
unsub coding
nova scroll
Maybe DM roles? Like Open DMs, Ask To DM, No DMs?
I always just get randomly messaged from people on this server and it's getting tiring.
For the Ask to DM maybe make a seperate channel where you can @ the person and ask them if it's alright
tacit relic
You can turn it off by yourself @nova scroll
nova scroll
I mean, yes
But I do want to help some people, I just don't want to get randomly messaged if that makes sense?
still grove
the life of a native speaker
tacit relic
lol
still grove
hahahahah
sand bramble
Feel free to report unwanted DMs to us and we'll talk to the users in question.
clever zephyr
I do want to help some people, If they ask me beforehand I'd be more willing to
@nova scroll
if you disable direct messages for this server, that will require people to ask you first. Then you can add them as a friend and talk to them. 🤷♂️
nova scroll
Yeah but I don't want to add them as a friend...
fathom fulcrum
Feel free to tell people off (politely) if they DM without permission too. Most people just don't care but maybe some people just don't realise it's rude to do that.
nova scroll
Okie
fathom fulcrum
However, I can't imagine a role would help, because, trust me, pretty much no one reads or cares about stuff like that, as annoying as that is.
nova scroll
I guess so ;w; Well, thank you anyway!!🧡 🧡
fathom fulcrum
No problem. The feedback is always appreciated, even if we can't help much.
peak holly
the life of a native speaker
@still grove believe me it's not about that
i get messaged often. Some people will message you if they so much as theorise the possibility of the existance of a vagina in your pants
still grove
And with what purpose? I'm convinced closing DMS is really the way to go.
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, unfortunately, it's mostly a matter of the limitations of Discord and personal preference. Roles won't really help, rules won't really help. You basically have to choose between closing DMs or putting up with them, because there's not a lot else that will actually make a difference.
I mean, we can definitely deal with people who DM uninvited, but it's the prevention that we don't have a way to deal with.
delicate hawk
Damn i have had a fiona dp since 5 months and havnt got a single dm😫
peak holly
And with what purpose? I'm convinced closing DMS is really the way to go.
@still grove i dunno i guess they think they're somehow going to get laid
i keep dms open because i don't actively use the "friends" feature but most of the time if i get weird or unexplainable DMs (sometimes from people i don't even share a server with, wtf) i just block right away. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lone marsh
You know u don't have to like my suggestion, but just deleting it is a dick move
fathom fulcrum
@lone marsh I don't think you made any official suggestion. That requires using the command >suggest. Also, your comment definitely came across as a joke / trolling, so I assume that's why it was deleted. There's also no benefit to a NSFW channel in this server, as most NSFW content is already prohibited for Discord Partner servers.
lone marsh
Well thx for the answer :)
gritty geyser
suggest create a #welcome channel in the server category and let @dull horizon send the welcome messages to this exact channel.
dull horizonBOT
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gritty geyser
suggest create a „#welcome“ channel in the "server" category and let @dull horizon send the welcome messages to this exact channel.
dull horizonBOT
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peak holly
+1
i keep allgemein unmuted because unlike general it's relevant to the server (= it at least encourages speaking german, and isn't a constant distraction). If it gets flooded with what's essentially useless messages i'm gonna have to mute it too
fathom fulcrum
The current thing with #general-2 is just temporary due to having a lot of people joining today (the server was linked in a large German learning community).
It will be moved back to #general later.
peak holly
i know but it's not the first time it happens. Why not disable welcome messages or use a temporary channel instead?
fathom fulcrum
It's pretty uncommon. Usually if a lot of users join at once, it's during a bot raid, in which case we usually turn off the welcome messages anyway.
Why not disable welcome messages
A lot of people actually like them, and it helps people to know how many new people are joining and who those people are.
gritty geyser
Is there a list with books/ workbooks for German?
fathom fulcrum
Check out #resources
gritty geyser
Nice
mighty thunder
Maybe make a google classroom to learn off of
gloomy matrix
@mighty thunder suggestions need to be submitted with the >suggest command. And it's also recommended to provide a lot more detail. E.g. what exactly would go in the google classroom? How would that compare to the systems the server already uses. I.e. what would be the benefits of using a google classroom over how things are currently run?
mighty thunder
suggest command
dull horizonBOT
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mighty thunder
suggest command I think if the google classroom was used we can use it as an example of the study tasks community and it would be assigned to us to do the work and there would be 2 classrooms one for beginners and one for intermediate, we can use printable work or google docs to do the work on, with this people who stay offline for a long time can to the work and learn it off of the google classroom so then more people can learn the language.
dull horizonBOT
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gloomy matrix
who would make the resources to go on there?
fathom fulcrum
@mighty thunder Currently we use the #study-tasks channel to post worksheets and tasks for people to study with. Can you explain what kind of benefit a Google Classroom would give?
mighty thunder
suggest command if some people are always offline on discord because of other things they can use google classroom to catch up
dull horizonBOT
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mighty thunder
suggest command I have a website that has a lot of resources
dull horizonBOT
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gloomy matrix
you don't need to use the suggest command for discussion of a suggestion
mighty thunder
Oh ok
dull horizonBOT
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fathom fulcrum
The #study-tasks don't get deleted though. You can go back and access them any time.
sand bramble
As sun said it's fine to just add the details after the original command. Using the command adds the suggestion to our queue forcing us to reply to it, so it only makes sense to use it once per suggestion.
mighty thunder
http://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar.html here’s the link to the website
fathom fulcrum
Thanks for the recommendation. We already have that resource in our resource list, but you're always welcome to add links to other resources (as long as they're not against Discord ToS) in #resources
fathom fulcrum
faq resources
dull horizonBOT
sturdy nacelle
suggest add to the rules that adding people as friends (without asking, out of the blue) is forbidden. Yes I could technically turn off "allow friend requests from anyone" in my discord settings, but I actually use that for other stuff.
dull horizonBOT
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gloomy matrix
unfortunately i doubt adding it to the rules will do anything. most people hardly read the rules to begin with. especially those who don't engage with the community (which is where most of these random friend requests come from)
lucid ledge
^
peak holly
and the mods can't do anything about it anyway
sturdy nacelle
That is true... :/
lime sparrow
that said, if someone from here is e.g. spamming friend requests or sending inappropriate messages through dms, you can (and should) still report them and depending on the situation there can still be consequences (such as a ban from this server)
sturdy nacelle
But where is the place to report those people
gloomy matrix
You can always DM a mod
sturdy nacelle
Sounds like a terrible way to do it, there's multiple mods so which one, and the mods would have to coordinate amongst themselves to figure out who is spamming a lot
gloomy matrix
Any single mod. And the mods share all those reports in a single mod channel
gloomy matrix
There used to be a bot command for it but no-one ever used it
sand bramble
Quite literally. It was used for a serious purpose once. 
Pinging @ Moderator is the preferred way of contacting us, if that isn't an option, DM anyone. We log every offense, so coordination isn't an issue.
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, basically, instead of having a special channel for reports, we let people report in any channels using the moderator ping. It does the same job.
silk ibex
Hello all! Does anyone have good, thrilling books for a B1 deutschlerner? Be it about science, history, a novel, stories, whatever. I just want it to be amusing and thrilling rather than educative and suitable for B1 level. Thanks!
spice granite
Imperium (Christian Kracht) sieht gut aus.
gloomy matrix
@silk ibex #resources is the better channel for that. Please read #282831147942281216 and / or the channel descriptions on discord to see what each channel is for. This channel is for suggesting changes to the server. E.g. new bot commands.
silk ibex
Understood, thanks for the heads-up
solid gorge
suggest wir mussen dringend eine Memes channel bauen
dull horizonBOT
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peak holly
tight hill
not again...
lofty oracle
now that's a very nice idea
static pulsar
meme idee toujours
weary night
Do lessons stop appearing the >sessions list once they start?
Is so, could we change it so that they continue displaying for about 5 mins after starting
So that if people miss the intro, or the host is late, people can still check what lesson it is
fathom fulcrum
Sure.
static pulsar
suggest updated and obvious coronavirus discussion guidelines
dull horizonBOT
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fathom fulcrum
@static pulsar What kind of update do you want to see?
static pulsar
Just something that is easily accessible, as the other one is a bit hidden
west crown
help
dull horizonBOT
west crown
suggest Ein Sprachkanal für Spiele
dull horizonBOT
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fathom fulcrum
@west crown There already is one. Read #282831147942281216 to learn how to access it.
civic dust
suggest a Voice channel where people with a special role (which is given manually) can stream their games
dull horizonBOT
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dull horizonBOT
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static pulsar
I should have clarified. I meant make it easier for people to access it. It is hard to find.
wild aurora
mh but a faq is pretty easy accessible, isn't it ?
static pulsar
I hope so
civic dust
@wild aurora well, may i get the role? <3
obtuse stone
We don't give it out to people just for them to have it and generally be able to stream (no one has that role as of now). You may ask a mod for it for a specific time you wanna stream at @civic dust
gritty geyser
civic dust
Ah I see, thx, was planning on maybe streaming some VR tomorrow @obtuse stone
Just so you know
tulip yew
suggest provide a correct me role for beginners
dull horizonBOT
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gloomy matrix
tulip yew
😅 👍
latent igloo
Would be cool if we had like different sections for begginers, intermidiate and advanced german speakers
fathom fulcrum
@latent igloo That has been suggested before, and while I understand that some people like categorizing stuff in that way, we decided that there's no real practical benefit to that kind of structure.
But if you feel there's a good reason to do that, feel free to explain it.
latent igloo
Well, there isn't really a good reason to do that, just tought it would be a bit more "organized"
Bruh
fathom fulcrum
Organized in what way?
latent igloo
Like, it would separate begginer learners from advanced ones
fathom fulcrum
But why would someone want that? Don't you want beginners to learn from advanced speakers and advanced speakers to teach and get along with beginners?
latent igloo
so begginers wouldn't feel intimidated when joining a Vc with an advanced speaker
fathom fulcrum
Ahh, I see.
In that case, we do have a channel for that.
Practice Room VCs are channels where the focus must be on the learners. So if you join there as a beginner, you can ask people to keep the conversation at a level that you're comfortable with, and you can freely ask questions and practice basic conversations and all that kind of stuff.
You can also choose to use a Study Group that was as well.
latent igloo
I see, thanks for the explanation
fathom fulcrum
No problem.
fathom fulcrum
I'm glad that you appreciate it and thanks for your suggestion/feedback as well.
devout notch
Improve emotes ffs
https://media.tenor.com/images/8433c5977b0eaf9cdd703541843d0fee/tenor.gif
jovial kettle
A channel for german slang/Jugendsprache
unique tiger
wyld
jovial kettle
so, genug schabernack
lone marsh
Naberschnack
white wharf
More gaming stuffs :D
dull horizonBOT
@tulip yew, your suggestion has been answered:
static pulsar
suggest enforcing members having roles accurate to their levels. It can be pretty upsetting seeing people who are clearly fluent or higher level pretending to be a lower level for whatever reason.
dull horizonBOT
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peak holly
i second this. Setting oneself as level A as a joke because of a typo or some shit gets old real fast
fathom fulcrum
@peak holly Feel free to report if you see someone doing that. We can give them a warning and potentially remove their role changing perms if they abuse the bot/roles for jokes. What Maple is referring to though is people who genuinely claim to be a lower level than their skill level, so it's a bit more complicated, although also something we take seriously. But I just wanted to mention that so you know you can report it if you see someone just doing it as a joke.
peak holly
yeah it's not just jokes, i was mentioning another way roles are abused in the same way
fathom fulcrum
Makes sense.
upbeat wind
Add a memes channel
gloomy matrix
peak schooner
suggest it'd be cool to have a music channel for german music only. exchanging music in german could be a good way to listen to more deutsch media and also discover new musik. while we're talking about music, it'd be probably interesting to have an off-topic music channel as well, for general music discussion and exchange
dull horizonBOT
Aborting...
peak schooner
😦 why does it say aborting... ahahah, pretty sure i hit the green check
suggest it'd be cool to have a music channel for german music only. exchanging music in german could be a good way to listen to more deutsch media and also discover new musik. while we're talking about music, it'd be probably interesting to have an off-topic music channel as well, for general music discussion and exchange
dull horizonBOT
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peak schooner
🤦♂️ okay so only after phrasing "musik" as media did i notice there's a media channel already 😦
tulip yew
suggest spam channel
dull horizonBOT
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fathom fulcrum
@tulip yew What do you mean by that?
lime sparrow
you see base, sometimes users get this urge to just spam random (generally racist or otherwise offensive) content. clearly the proper course of action is not to forbid that, but to instead encourage it by making a dedicated channel for such content
fathom fulcrum
Are you sure, Maple?
static pulsar
Maybe for you.
tulip yew
Yeah, many servers have that channel
fathom fulcrum
And what do you use it for?
tulip yew
To vent out?😅
gloomy matrix
vent out what?
tulip yew
anger, thoughts, for a scratchpad?
peak holly
i don't know of a language server that has one
also if it's just to vent in a one-sided way what's the point of it being on a public server
gloomy matrix
venting anger is especially a dangerous one to have on a public server. i doubt communities want to promote spewing vitriol or other such things
static pulsar
just get a diary
unique tiger
what if they get a diary and start uploading a photo of each page in #archived-media checkmate
glacial stump
or write it in german and send it in #writing
tulip yew
lmao
fathom fulcrum
or write it in german and send it in #writing
@glacial stump I support it.
glacial stump
😎
gilded swan
suggest Add a command (or multiple) for the bot to show a list of german movies / podcasts or youtube channels, that got recommended in resources once. Maybe also with a small description like this:
Der Schuh des Manitu (comedy)
Der Untergang (history war drama)
Maybe also with an automatic system to add movies and such with an add command.
dull horizonBOT
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sand bramble
We don't plan to have an automatic command, but we are reorganizing/expanding the current resource list at the moment, and when that is done, there will be a command to suggest new resources that we'll add. Movies and TV series will be a dedicated subcategory in the new resource list.
weary night
Es wäre eigentlich ganz schön wenn wir einen faq-Eintrag (oder auch mehrere) hätten, der podcasts, Fernsehsendungen or Lesemittel beschreiben würde. Da wir recht häufig in Questions die Frage gestellt bekommen; wo finde ich Ressourcen zum hören/lesen usw.?
Ich meine es wäre schön wenn wir mit sowas erwidern könnten:
resources podcasts
fathom fulcrum
@weary night The main problem with that is that someone would have to constantly update it Whereas if they just go to the resource link, they can find all the same info. It's basically like... overcomplicating the system just so people can avoid clicking a link and scrolling down a bit.
weary night
Ja macht schon sinn.
steht übrigens das resourcen-Dokument schon durch einen Bot-Befehl zur Verfügung?
dull horizonBOT
weary night
Schön, das reicht ja schon aus. Danke
grave glade
@tulip yew @fathom fulcrum uhh no shit posting isn't venting anger
as far as i've seen it just means posting things of bad quality/poor taste, mostly memes and usually to an ironic effect
tulip yew
I think we can have a test trial of the channel?
gloomy matrix
i think the better question is how would it add to the server's goals
this is a server for learning german after all, and I don't see what value a spam channel would add there
delicate steeple
Hallo
delicate hawk
i am not for a spam channel, but there are plenty of channels here which aren't geared towards learning german itself per se and are there for the comunity. gaming/cooking and so on. So imo that argument wouldn't make sense to the person who posted that suggestion
@ sun
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, it doesn't add to learning or to community stuff.
tulip yew
Okay, kein Spam
gritty geyser
there should be voice channels based on levels. For example A1, A2, B1, B2, C1 and so on
covert path
Ja, das ist ein gut ahnung
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser Can you explain what benefit it would give?
Btw if you want to make a suggestion, you need to use the >suggest command.
gritty geyser
suggest level based voice channels
dull horizonBOT
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fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser can you explain what benefit it would give?
gritty geyser
So the expected level of speaking could be tailored to the level you are in so that you could get more out of it. the problem with this however is that if you were in a lower level group, you may develop bad speaking habits and not be with as many native speakers as a higher level group.
fathom fulcrum
We have Practice Room and Study Group VCs where you can set the level of difficulty of the discussion, ask people to stick to that level, and people are required to be patient with beginners.
Is there a reason why those channels don't cover the issue?
gritty geyser
when joining said channels mid discussion it may be hard to see what level it is at
fathom fulcrum
Sure, but it's fine to ask.
I mean, no one is going to know the topic of a discussion when they join a channel, regardless if it's labelled or not. You have to listen/ask either way.
And if the vcs are labelled, it would just cause more confusion, honestly. Because I guarantee people aren't going to switch channels every time they switch between A2 and B1 level, for example.
rapid cobalt
perhaps you could do like a C voicechat role to be able to ping that to whoever wants to create a study room in that level
fathom fulcrum
The Nur Deutsch channel is effectively a Level c channel so there wouldn't be a benefit of that for Level c people.
rapid cobalt
The Nur Deutsch channel is effectively a Level c channel so there wouldn't be a benefit of that for Level c people.
@fathom fulcrum ok after checking it out, it isn't
gloomy matrix
while i don't think levelled VCs are necessary i do agree that nur deutsch isn't effectively c. one can still carry a conversation at b2, sometimes even b1. and the level of conversation happening in the nur deutsch vc greatly depends on the people in that room.
lucid ledge
UHM HELLO? MODS ARE YOU SLEEPING? WHERE ARE THE SPOOKY CHANNEL NAMES
gilded swan
@gloomy matrix yes correct, however if you are a certain level, native speakers (including myself) are generally trying to speak slowly and clearly if necessary if told.
fathom fulcrum
@Gonzaloc01#7936 @gloomy matrix What I meant is that the channel is unleveled. Which, in my opinion, means it's equivalent to what a level C channel would be if we made once. If you join that channel, you must expect that the language can and will include native speakers speaking relatively fast and fluently, and you can't expect them to simplify the language for you. This is exactly how a Level C channel would also work.
gilded swan
Yeah if a level B channel would exist, there would probably very sparsely be a native and if only B level speakers are speaking together it would not help far from it imo
fathom fulcrum
There's also no way you can force people to always speak at a level C level. Even native speakers don't do that in real life since most everyday discussions are already level B by nature.
So I think the best thing we can do is have the following:
And that's how we have it set up currently.
gilded swan
Right and levels in their pure nature are very fuzzy, thus making it almost impossible to even separate them adequately.
And imo even in Nur Deutsch I would welcome level B's, because if they are level B they certainly can acquire a lot through listening to C (natural) type of conversation. And according to the methods proposed and proven by Dr. Stephen Krashen and his colleagues, comprehension through listening and not the act of being able to take active part in a conversation will make you acquire the language.
(Which is why I would actually recommend people to come to Nur Deutsch to just listen, even though it would be beyond their level to take part, since active reproduction following the natural order of language acquirement will be quite late in the process. Which I hope more people will be able to realise, struggling with and / or quitting because of the general expectation for a learner to be able to speak too early [Which (and I mean the negative emotions) after Krashens work on a side note are highly likely to have an adverse effect on the language acquisition itself].)
So now let me step down from that soapbox of mine...
dusk plank
suggest a channel for song recommendations
dull horizonBOT
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wild aurora
What's wrong with #archived-media / #resources if it's a German song ?
dusk plank
those work too but i was thinking like a channel only for music
doesn’t necessarily have to be German
dusk plank
suggest a chef’s kiss emoji
dull horizonBOT
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dusk plank
here’s what it looks like
tacit relic
🤌
dusk plank
❔
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peak schooner
why are there no channels where you can share your screen ?
i kinda feel like there used to be ?
ahaha
lucid ledge
only lesson holders can for the purposes of, well, holding lessons
timber sage
Add a bot for giving people reputation.Like if someone helps you so you can do +rep @person-who-helped.
gloomy matrix
A nice idea at the surface imo, but is prone to abuse as a popularity system
fringe ravine
suggest I understand the idea of the gradual shift between English and German from #general to #general-2 to #german-only and it's certainly well thought out.
In reality, #general-2 isn't used that much. Especially new members of the server who are unaware of this fact join the channel, say hi and nobody is there to answer them. Which must be quite discouraging.
There are a lot of days when there are only a few lines on this channel.
On the other hand, even in #german-only people are writing in English or French from time to time.
Maybe one should get rid of #general-2 and adjust the policy of general and #german-only accordingly. As far as I'm aware it's okay to talk some german in #general and that might be sufficient for starters.
Concerning #german-only, anglicisms are fairly common in colloquial German, so I don't know if one should avoid them completely.
One could argue that there is no real benefit in removing #general, but I think it makes more sense for binding and bundling new members.
This is less a suggestion than a circumstance that should perhaps be discussed.
dull horizonBOT
Sorry but this suggestion is too long (1183/1000 characters).You can always add more explanations to your suggestion after the initial post.
fathom fulcrum
On the other hand, even in #german-only people are writing in English or French from time to time.
This isn't very common, and it's also strictly against the rules. Sometimes people just forget which channel they're in, in which case, you should remind them. But if anyone is doing it despite knowing it's #german-only , please report them. We can warn people and even block them from the channel if it becomes a significant issue.
But deleting other channels obviously isn't going to help with that. The only thing that will help is reminding people and reporting the issue to mods.
Maybe one should get rid of #general-2 and adjust the policy of general and #german-only accordingly. As far as I'm aware it's okay to talk some german in #general and that might be sufficient for starters.
It's not just okay but also encouraged for people to speak German throughout the server. From what you've written, it sounds as if you might have the mistaken impression that #general is an English channel. It's not, but we simply don't put any explicit rule or guideline on it so that people can speak whichever of the 2 languages they feel comfortable with.
Many people are total beginners who speak no German, so we're fine with people speaking English in order to make it a more welcoming place for everyone, and so people can actually communicate.
In what way would you suggest adjusting the policy?
One could argue that there is no real benefit in removing #general, but I think it makes more sense for binding and bundling new members.
What do you mean by "binding and bundling new members"?
Maybe one should get rid of #general-2
Can you explain more specifically why you wish to get rid of #general-2 and what benefit it would give? It's not really clear from the rest of your post.
@fringe ravine
fringe ravine
One could argue that there is no real benefit in removing
#general#general-2, but I think it makes more sense for binding and bundling new members.
Meine Idee war, dass ein mehr oder weniger verlassener Channel mehr schadet als nützt, insofern er nicht die eigentliche Dynamik des Servers widerspiegelt. Wer in diesem Channel schreibt und sich dieser Tatsache nicht gewahr ist, bekommt unter Umständen den Eindruck, es lohne sich nicht weiter auf dem Server zu verweilen.
Außerdem gibt es in der Realität wenig bis kaum Trennsehschärfe zwischen allgemein und nur-deutsch. Was einen von beiden als redundant erscheinen lässt.
Wenn das Ziel des Servers ist, dass gerade neue Benutzer möglichst früh ein interaktives Erlebnis genießen, um motiviert zu bleiben, dem Server eine Chance zu geben, ist ein wenig responsiver Channel eher kontraproduktiv.
dusk plank
suggest a channel to talk about movies and tv shows
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lilac urchin
Eh we have #archived-media
weary night
Media bekommt viel spam geschickt und dies bezüglich sehe ich diesen Vorschlag als eine sehr schöne Idee ein.
Wir können sie auch erweitern und den noch zu besprechenden Kanal als den Treffpunkt für das Buch-Club verwenden, das sich zugebend noch in Bearbeitung befindet ;-;
gloomy matrix
At least for finding movies and tv shows, that'll be addressed in the resource doc update. discussing when they happen can just as easily happen in one of the general channels. If there's enough interest for it maybe a group like geg-essen and gaming, but i think the main points of those group channels is because conversation drowned / drowns out and/or bugs people in the general channels, which i've yet to see with tv and movie talk. for linking them, linking them would be no less spammy than any other post in media.
weary night
As a slight meme suggestion, i feel like #science is a missleading name, only maths happens there
But maybe i dont check it often enough to see chem poo up
But also like there no need to change it, hence the slight memyness
gloomy matrix
might also be because most of the sciency people active on the server are math-freaks
weary night
;-;
fathom fulcrum
i feel like #science is a missleading name, only maths happens there
That's just because we have a lot of maths/physics/cs people and not many people who study other areas of science (at least, not active ones).
weary night
No love for bio ;-;
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, I don't really know anyone on the server who studies/studied bio and likes talking about it.
There are a few chem people but they don't chat much.
but i think the main points of those group channels is because conversation drowned / drowns out and/or bugs people in the general channels
Yeah, pretty much. Most topics are by default best suited to General Discussion, but we ended up creating some channels for certain topics for practical reasons.
Most of them are topics people actively complain about if they get brought up too much in the general channels.
lilac urchin
No love for bio ;-;
@weary night WHERE IS LOVE FOR BIOO I LOVE BIO
dusk plank
Eh we have #archived-media
@lilac urchin have you seen the stuff that people post there? Not exactly a great place to discuss tv shows/movies
lilac urchin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
static pulsar
Yeah, science is misleading. It is all math. I like bio, blu
wild aurora
I don't think it's misleading, people just happen to talk about math a lot more than other things there
fathom fulcrum
True. It's like saying " #arts-and-crafts is a misleading name because people mostly talk about digital art there". 😄
#science is there for whenever you actually decide to talk about bio there. 😌
lucid ledge
@lilac urchin have you seen the stuff that people post there? Not exactly a great place to discuss tv shows/movies
@dusk plank honestly I think this is a great point mods should maybe have a discussion on
theyre right in saying you cant really talk about media there, or rarely, its primary function is a video/music/meme dump
dusk plank
genau
fathom fulcrum
A question worth considering: if we made a new channel for a media topic, how would you prevent it from turning into the same thing as #archived-media is now?
Ban people from posting actual links/pics there?
After all, #archived-media is also intended to be a channel for discussing things like music and movies, but no one chooses to use it for that, so it looks like a meme dump because people choose to avoid discussing anything there.
And it's nice to think "if we just make a new channel, that won't happen". But the reality is, your actions are what make those changes, how you use the channels and so on, unless we make explicit rules and enforce them.
weary night
You could put it behind a group
And name it something along the line of books-and-film
Or some broader definition of literature which encompasses film too
I feel sharing individual songs is better left for media though
wild aurora
Or some broader definition of literature which encompasses film too
Like.. #archived-media ?
The thing with groups is that we usually only create them when a certain topic dominates the general chats and this has never been the case with movies, it would probably die within 2 weeks
weary night
Thats fair enough, it makes me sad but #arts-and-crafts is quite dead
fathom fulcrum
It probably won't be once I finish my exams. 😌
lucid ledge
I dont believe a new channel is actually the answer here, I think reinforcing boundaries (like with the writing channel) or organising things in the group would go a lot further
lucid ledge
The old mods went to a lot of effort to try and categorise what was posted there, there was a music list, two even, that was used as a resource when someone wanted to delve a little bit more into the german music scene, or just wanted cool songs in general. Occasional memes and meme videos are ok but I feel like now we just moved the problem of people randomly posting it in general to just randomly posting it in media, where it gets even less attention and in my opinion serves only to clutter the channel move.
Sometimes there are conversations about videos posted and sometimes if someone wants to show someone a picture, media is used in order to get around a spam-heavy general. I believe both these uses are fair and ok, however I find the fast and uncategorised pace of the channel makes it difficult for those kinds of conversations to be enabled or questions to be answered.
fathom fulcrum
"the group" = #archived-media ?
lucid ledge
mhm
fathom fulcrum
there was a music list, two even, that was used as a resource when someone wanted to delve a little bit more into the german music scene, or just wanted cool songs in general
This part specifically we consider to be more of a #resources thing so we have this already in the resource list.
Occasional memes and meme videos are ok
It's extremely hard to determine what is and isn't okay. It's one of the hardest things to draw a line on, because it's almost just a matter of personal preference what kind of media someone considers worth posting. It's easy when it's against the rules, but other than that, it's kinda difficult.
I find the fast and uncategorised pace of the channel makes it difficult for those kinds of conversations to be enabled or questions to be answered.
I don't believe it is usually a very fast-paced channel. Most days people only post something like 5 or sometimes 10 things. That's much slower than most of the discussion channels, and people don't seem to have issues with discussing stuff posted in the other channels.
But mainly I'm just wondering what you meant by "organising". I don't think I was here at a time when anything in the channel was organized so can you clarify what you mean by that?
lucid ledge
there was never a time where it was organised but there were times where effort were made so that it could be. Sadly nemo left and I believe there was no great interested in changing things after that.
If we are going to make a music/video/media list on the resources channel, I do believe its worth looking into connecting that to the media channel directly, which gives us more exposure to the resources doc, more input in the resources doc, and back to my original point, changes the channel from pure media-spam
fast was perhaps the wrong word here, I mainly want to highlight that the majority of the content people post has and will be ignored. This is of course inevitable when people have wildly different tastes and preferences with what they want to do with their time. I believe organising the channel so that different types of media are clearly laid out can make the channel easier to navigate to each individual taste and preference, and encourage conversation between likeminded individuals
fathom fulcrum
I don't get how that would work for a Discord channel though.
lucid ledge
I also don't have a solid idea but I'm hoping its something we can all discuss more thoroughly in a suggestions discussion so that even if all points made aren't integrated we do come to a nice compromise between what people want and what can realistically be implemented.
I hope you don't mind this is just a short run-down here, im rushing for work and would be happy to talk ab it later.
fathom fulcrum
Sure, no problem.
We can discuss what options there are for organizing a Discord channel sometime. I just want to comment on one more point though.
I mainly want to highlight that the majority of the content people post has and will be ignored
This mostly has to do with people posting stuff other people aren't interested in, because they just want a chance for people to see something they thought was cool. If someone posts something and then tries to start a discussion about it, it's not as likely to be ignored. At least, in my experience, if it's interesting to people and someone tries to discuss it, then a discussion happens. If no one is interested and no one bothers to try starting one, no discussion happens.
Technically we could say "you're only allowed to post stuff if you know other people will want to discuss it", but that's (in my opinion) a bit too excessive and hard to regulate.
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hidden mist
perhaps, allow posting media and whatnot, but as long as you will stick around to discuss it? so like no dumping random stuff to then not add anything to it.
i tend to avoid #archived-media unless i have some cool music to share cuz like... its been used to dump memes and links with nothing to add on. so i guess encouraging conversation could be a good step?
i think i try to add at least a sentence when i post my music links but i dont post them often
fathom fulcrum
perhaps, allow posting media and whatnot, but as long as you will stick around to discuss it? so like no dumping random stuff to then not add anything to it.
@hidden mist I don't think there's any way to do this though. Because it's not like you can say "you're not allowed to leave a discussion", and most of the time, it's not that people aren't willing to discuss something they themselves posted, but simply that no one else wants to talk about it.
But the biggest issue of all of this is that if you're going to tell someone they can't post something, you need to be able to justify it and explain it to them each time it happens. It's easy to say "don't post political or NSFW content". It's a lot harder to explain when it's just "we feel like people won't be interested in this". Because who are we to say what people will find interesting?
hidden mist
true
dusk plank
@fathom fulcrum maybe you could make a test movie and tv series channel, and if not many people are using it, then delete it. I just feel that #archived-media as it is now is used as a dump, no matter what it’s intentions may be. I feel that it’s a bit too vague, as “media” includes everything from music to videos to photos to memes to website links. Even if people were to get a discussion going in it, there’s no way of preventing other people from continuing to post memes and such, which tends to derail discussion. Since you’re saying it’s likely not possible to moderate this/impossible, I think that just creating a channel for movie and tv discussions is the easiest solution. Technically it could be argued that #arts-and-crafts counts as media, and it has its own channel.
fathom fulcrum
Even if people were to get a discussion going in it, there’s no way of preventing other people from continuing to post memes and such, which tends to derail discussion.
Like I said before though, people usually only post (on average) 5 things a day there or so, maybe a little more, like 10 sometimes. It's one of the best channels to start a discussion in, if your measure is whether it will be derailed or not. I don't think it's really possible in most cases for 10 posts in a 24 hour period to derail a conversation, especially since a lot of people will wait until the discussion is over to post their thing.
Technically it could be argued that #arts-and-crafts counts as media, and it has its own channel.
That's true but part of our motivation there was to give people a space where they could show their own creations to people. So you can consider that our media channels are currently split up into:
leaden merlin
Karnevalsdekoration für den 11.11. morgen?
gloomy matrix
please no more channel name emojis
gritty geyser
Please make hourly basis voice groups. If possible based on exchange languages. Thanking you
dusk plank
suggest pronoun roles i.e. she/her, he/him, they/them
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gritty geyser
Not needed imo
gloomy matrix
same goes as any other profile information. if it's important enough to the person they'll put it in their nickname. otherwise people don't really look at peoples roles
we get enough questions about what yellow, blue, pink etc mean to begin with and those are just the ones people see from their username colour
gilded swan
Since many people kept suggesting roles for all kinds of purposes there is a profile bot command feature in work as far as I know. And the possibility of just writing it in your name still works, if your preferred pronoun differs from what people would assume, which frankly aren't a lot of people.
||(One feature that might help though is a filter, that knows all already answered suggestions and just automatically responds to frequently asked questions with the appropriate responds. Because frankly no one simply looks up if it has been suggested before, even though 90% of it are just repetitions.)
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dusk plank
you say that people wouldn’t use the roles, and that’s possible, but if it were made available and was known that these roles existed, a lot more people would use them than you expect. Perhaps you could have a trial period to see if people commonly use this role.
gloomy matrix
use them yes as in add them. people actually check other people's roles? that i highly doubt
dusk plank
I do 👀
gritty geyser
@gritty geyser check the pins
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ember moon
suggest Language roles that can be self assigned?
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fathom fulcrum
@ember moon What do you mean?
ember moon
you know like gaming roles
and science
and stuff
that for languages
for example i could assign myself languages like english, french, spanish, swedish etc.
silk trench
Swedish should be called Viking tho
ember moon
that's mean for norwegians and danes
silk trench
I guess
fathom fulcrum
Ah, I see. The roles like science and so on are for the purpose of accessing hidden channels. Languages don't have any hidden channels.
The channels are #other-languages and #languages
ember moon
yeah but, it could look cool? idk
fathom fulcrum
Do you mean that adding more roles to an already cluttered role list would look cool? Or something else?
ember moon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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dusk plank
suggest an Uno bot so we can see who the true champ is
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versed flame
we should have some type of competition
gilded swan
elaborate on that a bit
dawn plinth
suggest add something so the bot replies if someone writes "gewurden" (its wrong) the bot should reply "*geworden"
maybe would be nice
Tut mir leid für mein scheiß Englisch
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hidden mist
im pretty sure people in the server do that already? and having the bot for minor mistakes could be... a lot
obtuse stone
You can also suggest in German btw
For the next time, although your English seems fine~
versed flame
>suggest add something so the bot replies if someone writes "gewurden" (its wron...
your English is good
versed maple
A role for "please correct me", since some people want to be corrected, while others don't want that.
versed maple
Not everyone learns like that though. Some people hate to be corrected and they freak out and quit.
gloomy matrix
Then it's just as easy for them to put 'don't correct me' in their name
especially as they tend to be the minority
versed maple
If you're like that, then you aren't the type of person that would put that in the name.
fathom fulcrum
If you aren't willing to put it in your name, you can't really complain if someone corrects you. Correcting is and always will be the default of the server.
If you come to a learning server, you just have to accept that people will correct you, (unless you explicitly ask for them not to).
versed maple
I can't find a single example of someone who has either one in their nick. 🤷♂️
gritty geyser
Well there's quite a few
versed maple
Es war sowieso nur 'n Vorschlag.
fathom fulcrum
I can't find a single example of someone who has either one in their nick. 🤷♂️
Doesn't that mean there's even less reason to make a role for it? I mean, if no one even cares enough to put it in their name, why would we bother to make a whole role for it?
versed maple
Es wird irgendwie oft genug erwähnt im VC.
gritty geyser
Das ist ||bescheuert|| 
amber jetty
Es sollte mehr Lernräume mit begrenzten Benutzern geben 
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vital plinth
suggest Karaoke Channel für deutsche lieder
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lilac urchin
Es sollte mehr Lernräume mit begrenzten Benutzern geben <:thisisanneirl:72689059...
Smh
sand bramble
They're called DMs Alyer. 😌
And we already have something like that planned for the future.
lofty oracle
you're planning DMs?
solemn root
Can resources be suggested here?
fathom fulcrum
In #resources
solemn root
Danke
gritty geyser
As well as a bot
there already is one
obtuse stone
Yeah, we already have a bot. And you can use #archived-media for music. It can be used in almost every voice channel btw.
On another note, use >suggest to suggest stuff, so that it gets appended to the list of suggestions. If you don't know about that command, type
>help suggest in #botchannel
lucid ledge
suggest Hello! Christmas emotes but only at the end of the channel names to help readability! Thank you!
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honest turret
suggest a role for german people to help the others learning german
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hidden mist
isnt that the purpose of the whole server tho?
and the native speaker role is for well... native speakers
gritty geyser
suggest Adding example sentences to the word or thing of the day section. That section is pure gold, especially for learners like me who are somehow new and not-so-advanced. The best part about it is that you guys provide the general structure for whatever thing you're explaining. Sometimes, though, it still would be tremendously more helpful to have one or two examples sentences per item so that the provided structure and word/idiom become even clearer.
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neat atlas
suggest text and voice channels that can only be accessed based on someone's level, for example specific rooms for level A, B, C
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sand bramble
@gritty geyser Pferd is the most active in that channel and he always posts example sentences ("Beispiel" in German), and so do people who follow his format. Are we missing something or did you mean something else?
gritty geyser
I'm a massive idiot and it's embarrassing. Sorry. I literally did not see the examples ;-; Sorry to have wasted your time haha :c
ruby surge
suggest **M e m e c h a n n e l . **
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gloomy knoll
suggest Hello, I tried to post in #writing but it was rejected, and I wasn't clear why. Perhaps the channel description could contain some notes about the apparent message throttling that's happening there. Thanks very much! jz
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fathom fulcrum
@gloomy knoll The slowmode is to discourage people from having conversations there. You can edit your previous message to add a link and that should work.
gloomy knoll
Thanks @fathom fulcrum , cheers!
slow hemlock
suggest Wir brauchen ein Anfängerchat
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gilded swan
@slow hemlock Ist der nur-deutsch / Allgemein nicht eigentlich ausreichend?
Wir brauchen keinen weiteren Chat a la "Hallo, wie geht es Ihnen? Mir geht es gut danke [Diskussionsende]"
Anfänger können einfach auf gut Deutsch gesagt nix, bzw keine konstruktive Unterhaltung zustande kriegen und lernen tut man in einem Chat mit anderen Anfängern sowieso nichts.
slow hemlock
Wirklich. Ich war gedenken, da ist ein "anfängerchat" in eine Englisch Discord. Mein Muttersprache ist Englisch, aber ich denke es ist für Anfängern nützlich. Nur mein Deutsch ist schlecht. Ich brauche es nicht, aber könnte nützlich sein.
Ich denke "Wirklich" ist nicht das richtig Wort.
fathom fulcrum
@slow hemlock What do you mean by Anfängerchat exactly?
slow hemlock
I might have translated wrong, but beginner chat
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, I'm just asking for specifics of what you want.
Like is it text or VC? What rules would it have? What purpose?
slow hemlock
just like nur de text channel but intended for beginners
rich verge
add streaming pls
sand bramble
purpose Television Fan
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leaden orbit
Suggest Would it be possible to have a role for heritage speakers, but have it be a grey one that goes alongside the primary role? Purely to make the distinction on how I, and others like me, learned my German!
obtuse stone
You have to write 'suggest' in lowercase @leaden orbit
leaden orbit
Oki
suggest Would it be possible to have a role for heritage speakers, but have it be a grey one that goes alongside the primary role? Purely to make the distinction on how I, and others like me, learned my German!
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shadow forum
You have to write 'suggest' in lowercase <@218476503070015488>
Suggest More rights for people who capitalize their S's
weary night
I Second thiS SuggeStion
lucid ledge
Sebi wouldn't approve
leaden orbit
Sebi wouldn't approve
I approve of anything
lucid ledge
Not you love
warm salmon
I suggest a music channel
worn fable
suggest A only-read channel where lessons are summarized and easy to find. At the moment, the visualizations are fine but the information gets easily lost in the chats and it is extremely hard to find, even when subscribed to the content
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still grove
suggest a reading-only channel, one with a special role that gives access to a special VC. People take turns to read and the bot can be programmed to give a link to a book or to organise the session in a sense.
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still grove
thanks for the inspiration ^^
sand bramble
@worn fable well, you can invoke >lessons at any time to see what's planned.
worn fable
<@!465971453272129537> well, you can invoke `>lessons` at any time to see what's...
thank you! I didn't got that before
fair rampart
suggest renaming #other-languages to #andere-sprachen for consistency. Every other channel with more than one word uses '-' for spaces. This is the only channel where everything is written together.
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grave glade
oop i would've assumed it was one word
wheat mica
suggest politics channel
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grim stag
suggest a reading-only channel
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lofty oracle
but then who would write in it?
charred oyster
suggest a channel where streaming is allowed for german lessons
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tight hill
Pretty sure you can get that permission if you ask a moderator to become a lesson host @charred oyster
charred oyster
@tight hill ive messaged every mod, no one has responded q.q
tight hill
<@!135826293471182848> ive messaged every mod, no one has responded q.q
Maybe they are busy atm, I'm sure someone will get back to you ASAP. If you do have something in mind (in terms of creating a lesson) feel free to share your thoughts in #community-discussion so others can give some input and/or help out!
tight hill
suggest If the bot is unable to find a given string in certain commands (for example faq, explain etc.) but finds one similar entry to the given string, it should default to said entry with a note at the beginning that the exact string wasn't found but the similar entry was returned instead (so typos don't annoy you anymore)
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fathom fulcrum
@tight hill What about if, when it lists the corrections, you can press a react to bring up the faq? Would that work or do you specifically want that the FAQ comes up without any more interaction?
tight hill
@fathom fulcrum A list could work if there's maybe more than one entries that are similar to the search term. If it's just one though it could just show that one similar entry
fathom fulcrum
<@!217080185252478987> A list could work if there's maybe more than one entries ...
Well, I was just wondering, because it already shows the similar entries.
So I was wondering if you specifically want it to bring up the FAQ, or if you just wanted any easier way to do it when that thing comes up.
faq word order
dull horizonBOT
FAQ not found. I found the following similar entries: word order verbs, Word Order for Verbs, Word Order for Nouns & Pronouns, word order of verbs.
fathom fulcrum
Like this.
tight hill
the initial suggestion is only for the one entry thing so far^^ The reaction thing could still be useful to get in moving quicker but I guess it's not necessary
fathom fulcrum
Okay, sure.
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versed flame
Add a comedy night in german or a mix of English and german
obtuse stone
Use >suggest ... @versed flame, so that it gets into the list of suggestions
versed flame
Fine
proven adder
...
winter frigate
When someone pings a moderator, can helpers be notified as well?
Also, if word H*TLER is mentioned, can that be turned into an automatic ping?
obtuse stone
We already get mentioned for that and I think that's nice
winter frigate
Because we can act a bit faster @cedar needle and not let stuff sink into chaos without fun
fathom fulcrum
Not really a Germany thing. But since this is a German learning server, we get those kinds of trolls relatively often.
You know that the mods aren't all German, right? 😄
I'm Australian for example and I also don't want trolls like that in this server.
It's not really about sensitivity, but rather the fact that people don't like that stuff and this is a learning server. People shouldn't have to be bothered by people making bad jokes about WW2 while they're just trying to hang out and study some language together.
Yeah but I'm saying that our rules have nothing to do with people being German or not.
obtuse stone
Mostly when people say that name, it's just some troll
Cause we get those daily
So we let that name ping in order to act fast against those, even when no mod is looking at the chat in that moment and when no one who reports them is around
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, but it was too scary so I left. 😳
tight hill
I remember accidentally pinging the mods because of a listening session... fun times ❤️
obtuse stone
Being pinged by you is a pleasure 
safe geyser
suggest When session holders create a session add the option to add a recommended CEFR level so as to help people determine if the session is worth making time for
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safe geyser
Not sure if this is obvious or not but don't make it a mandatory minimum requirement as to restrict people from joining any session
fathom fulcrum
>suggest When session holders create a session add the option to add a recommend...
Hmm, what do you mean by adding the option? Session holders can freely add any info they want already.
safe geyser
Well hmm when they are making a session like this
tardy swallow
autumn niche
>session create Advancedreading 2021-01-29 20:00 Momo nur Deutsch Vorlesensstunde. Jeder ist willkommen!
Jeder, der an der Stunde teilnimmt, liest etwa einen Aufsatz aus Momo von Micheal Ende vor und erklärt danach worum er sich gehandelt hat.
For example add the option after Advancedreading for a1, a2, b1, b2, c1 or c2 for example
>session create Advancedreading B2 2021-01-29 20:00 Momo nur Deutsch Vorlesensstunde. Jeder ist willkommen!
As to give people a better inclination if its within their levels, such as in upcoming sessions it would be convenient to see the recommended level for a session
Just took an example from the #botchannel
I mean you can add wherever suits
fathom fulcrum
Ah I see. So basically you want it to be required?
safe geyser
I think it'd be very nice if it was, although if that isn't something you think would be good then maybe make it standard to include it in description
Or option for any level as in something accessible to all all levels and useful with some letter like E
That I mean not sure if topics like that exist but generally speaking adding a recommended level would be nice
fathom fulcrum
Okay, thanks for the suggestion. It's an interesting idea. We'll discuss it sometime and let you know.
safe geyser
Perfect, no bother at all, thank you
fathom fulcrum
We're planning to improve the session command soon anyway so we'll include that in our discussion.
safe geyser
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Ah grand, will I be notified like this?
Or Rejected
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, all suggestions are replied to with the bot when we look at suggestions (about once every 2 weeks).
safe geyser
Ah okay, danke!
sand bramble
In the meantime, you can look at the group names for rough guidelines. Reading is usually for A and lower Bs, while AdvancedReading is intended for higher Bs and Cs. But of course, everyone is always welcome to listen in.
safe geyser
In the meantime, you can look at the group names for rough guidelines. Reading i...
Perfect good to know, wasn't entirely sure what difference between advanced and normal was prior, danke!
tender kestrel
A meme group would be fun👍 figuring out what the words mean is fun
fathom fulcrum
A meme group would be fun👍 figuring out what the words mean is fun
You're welcome to post (appropriate) German memes in #archived-media .
gritty geyser
a channel for a "word game" in German where you write a word that starts with the last letter of the previous word. i think it would be a great way to learn some vocab.
it could also have cooldown timers
i think there should be a bot for this but im not sure
gilded swan
Such a word game channel might be an idea, but that particular game you mentioned does not seem like the perfect fit for it, though
Because for such a game, you either already know words or you are forgetting every word again, because it's only used once and without appropriate context
gritty geyser
i mean there is already #thing-of-the-day for that (with context and translation)
and while it is great, i just thought a word game itself would get people more involved, while also helping with active learning
gilded swan
With languages like Japanese that works better, because in German it really doesn't work, since the amount of words you can use, that just begin with the responding letter results in too many options, thus not really difficult. Plus the word endings of German words are biased towards a few selected endings, like -en, -er, ung, you get the point.
Thing of the day offers only interesting little pieces of knowledge, that is only one for each day, which makes remembering them much easier, than in a word game.
gritty geyser
yea u got a point there
gilded swan
Maybe something like a big word search table (50x50 or so) for every week or so, where the community is challenged to find german words with varying length and rareness horiz. vert. and diag.
Though that would mean either a bot that generates those would have to be written, or they would be done by volunteering natives of some sort.
And there could also be a rating system, where you get points based on rareness and length of the word.
Might be too easy though, don't know.
Just came to my mind
pale blade
is there a group for reading/discussing books ?
sand bramble
Hello, yes there is. I'd recommend going through #getting-started where you can read about that and many other useful things which you might want to know.
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safe geyser
suggest Renaming German Only 2 to Nur Deutsch 2, keeps the consistency between similar channels like questions and study group
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safe geyser
Like Practice Room and Practice Room 2 too
winter frigate
suggest weekly or bi-monthly community days, where each session we can nominate discussion topics users would pick (games, music, art), and we could create pings/announcements that these sessions are about to take place at x date and y time (bring your own wine and food)
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slate osprey
suggest Renaming German Only 2
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safe geyser
gritty geyser
oops
suggest a channel for a "word game" in German where you write a word that starts with the last letter of the previous word. i think it would be a great way to learn some vocab.
it could also have cooldown timers
i think there should be a bot for this but im not sure
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gritty geyser
suggest new emoji
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obtuse stone
>suggest new emoji
Sorry, da war ich wohl undeutlich. #community-discussion :D
gritty geyser
oke danke. sorry für den ping
obtuse stone
Nee, das ist kein Problem
gritty geyser
suggest Adding a channel for german music
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fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser Sorry, it's a bit unclear what you mean. Could you elaborate a bit?
gritty geyser
like
i think it would be cool if there was a channel for music
german music
@fathom fulcrum
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser Like a voice channel? Text channel?
gritty geyser
text channel to share links to german songs
fathom fulcrum
Okay, thanks.
gilded swan
I mean it would be great if there's some organised place somewhere, to find German music (or films, series, youtubers, books etc. for that matter) that others recommended, but with an overhauled resource listing system that problem might already be solved imho. To keep the server free from unnecessarily many barely active channels.
spice creek
Why can't i join voice chat?
safe geyser
Why can't i join voice chat?
It says VC pending, you gotta wait a bit
Look at your role
wild aurora
Why can't i join voice chat?
ex vc pending
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lapis nymph
suggest
>sub <group>-->>sub <list of groups>
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heady garden
suggest adding this emoji
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wild aurora
>suggest adding this emoji
emoji suggestions should go to #community-discussion
heady garden
oop I'm sorry. I saw #suggestions so I thought this would be the right channel
north skiff
<:squint:779466596418322472>
If something it would make more sense to rename Nur deutsch to German Only 1
north skiff
most channels are in english, and considering not everyone speaks german it would make more sense imo
idk either sorry
safe geyser
Yeah if I could change that somehow it'd be good, maybe just make another suggestion?
suggest Renaming Nur Deutsch to German Only 1, all voice channels are in English and this is to replace my previous suggestion of renaming German Only 2 to Nur Deutsch 2
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obtuse stone
Yeah if I could change that somehow it'd be good, maybe just make another sugges...
Yeah, that's fine
safe geyser
Yeah, that's fine
Thank you
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sonic olive
Reaction role bots (like Zira) to make it easier to claim roles
fathom fulcrum
Reaction role bots (like Zira) to make it easier to claim roles
Make sure to use the >suggest command to make a suggestion. We don't invite other bots for our bot features though - we just add them onto our bot.
sonic olive
suggest Reaction role bots (like Zira) to make it easier to claim roles
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sonic olive
Hm, kinda weird that you don't want to support the development of other bots (I did not make Zira btw)
wild aurora
Well we support the development of @dull horizon
fathom fulcrum
I don't get what you mean by supporting development. We just have our own bot that we use for everything.
If we already have a bot, there's no reason to invite others.
worldly sapphire
suggestion add role for the country you live in
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fathom fulcrum
@sick dagger Can you explain more about what that is?
sick dagger
sure! i think you know what pomodoro is about, if not i can explain. In a pomodoro VC people can study together during the study time of the pomodoro, and in the short breaks they can chat.
ideally someone should be streaming the timer and people make silence during the study time
fathom fulcrum
Okay, makes sense. Is there any reason why a normal VC won't work?
sick dagger
i tried it only today, so i can't say much. but normally the people that joined were more up to a chat in german than straight up studying, i don't know if this is a recurring thing.
i can try it out more times and report to you later if u think its needed
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fathom fulcrum
That would be really helpful! If you don't mind doing so.
tacit dagger
i tried it only today, so i can't say much. but normally the people that joined ...
What do you mean by studying?
I mean, important part of learning German is to practice speaking, and voice channel seems logical place to do so?
Also, there's a bunch of VC channels, some has the purpose of 'just talking' at least that's how I interpret the names
From what you described to me, it looks like you want just to stream a timer, and everyone sits in quiet doing whatever, and then when timer is off, you talk a bit
I mean, there are study group channels
But honestly, I don't see the point of streaming the clock
There are services which give you countdown links, you share the link, one person starts it, and it pings everyone when it's over
So you could occupy some study room, be quiet and read your stuff or whatever you plan, and when the timer is off, you talk
I personally see zero usefulness of sitting somewhere in silence knowing that there are other people doing the same, but I've seen that it helps to many, like a virtual library
I forgot the name of the service for link with timer, will look up
I didn't use this one, but another, but I can't find the link, however principle is the same, make a team name, share the link, creator of the link can start it
Everyone sees it
No need for screen sharing and therefore additional permissions for discord :)
gritty geyser
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gritty geyser
heh
gusty cradle
Esayed ?
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north skiff
It would be cool if the heritage role had a colour, I want to feel special 
gritty geyser
I think it would be cool if you had a gaming voice chat?
tight hill
@gritty geyser but there already is one? 😄
gritty geyser
Yea someone just told me thanks
leaden orbit
It would be cool if the heritage role had a colour, I want to feel special <:fee...
I'm gonna make a suggestion in the morning, if I remember. Let's persuade the mods 😤
suggest I know I made the Grey role suggestion, sorry. But could the heritage speaker role have a colour? Lorenz and I would appreciate it very much pleading_face
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leaden orbit
I did it now instead
north skiff
I did it now instead
Danke Brudi
cerulean scarab
suggest,Give me a history role so I can tell people about history or actual you should make a greeting role for people that can greet people.
rugged basalt
suggest add a role that deletes messages in english for the user who had it. From my experience, its hard to keep being nurDE, and i think itd be really helpful.
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clever folio
hallo
sand bramble
>suggest add a role that deletes messages in english for the user who had it. Fr...
Denied so I can keep muting you and muted since that was English.
rugged basalt
:(
spark skiff
suggest on #writing, make it required that texts that have been already corrected be marked as such. Either through a emoji reaction (like an emoji that says "done!") or something similar. This way, the people who like to correct texts can focus on the ones who haven't been corrected already.
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spark skiff
I was re-reading!
xD
suggest on #writing, make it required that texts that have been already corrected be marked as such. Either through a emoji reaction (like an emoji that says "done!") or something similar. This way, the people who like to correct texts can focus on the ones who haven't been corrected already.
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wild aurora
>suggest on <#252121415912914946>, make it required that texts that have been al...
see the last paragraph here <#announcements message>
the problem is that you can't really force people to do it but if you have any further ideas on this please don't hesitate to share them
spark skiff
see the last paragraph here <:mmlol:251009518631256064> <https://discord.com/cha...
Oh, I see...
Well, I'd say adding this to the channel description would be nice.
Or together with this, a pinned message.
Making this more used would also be easier for the people who want to check if their texts have been corrected. Otherwise I personally need to open the document on Google Docs from time to time.
wild aurora
usually people read neither of these two things but I guess it doesn't hurt to remind everyone that this exists
spark skiff
True 🤣
but I guess it doesn't hurt to remind everyone that this exists
So it's going to be implemented?
wild aurora
well I'm only speaking for myself here
I think it's a nice idea but from a moderation perspective we only have so much influence on it, that's why I was curious if you had any further ideas
spark skiff
Well, I guess if people start using it, it'll with time become the norm.
Thanks for the feedback and explanations!
exotic portal
i want a karaoke channel
buoyant glacier
Warum hat DER deutsche Server noch keinen Döner emoji? ich bin ein wenig enttäuscht
fathom fulcrum
@wild aurora @spark skiff I added a pin for it in #writing , so maybe that will help.
spark skiff
Thanks a lot! :D
obtuse stone
Warum hat DER deutsche Server noch keinen Döner emoji? ich bin ein wenig enttäus...
Für Enotesachen #community-discussion lieber ^^
wild aurora
Enotesachen
unique tiger
shit mod strikes again 😔
obtuse stone
:((
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round cloud
suggest
I have a suggestion for the server
I feel like that the functionality of enabling the members to create their own channels, will be a nice feature to be added in the server
the issue is there is only one 2 peoples channel in the server
If it is full other members are then forced to join the other crowded channels
Not only that, but also sometimes I just want to read, and not speak, so it would be nice if I can just create my own channel and call it reading
Tbh, the lack of this feature in the server, discourages me from participating on a daily basis
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tender solstice
Suggestion: can we have limited and focused channels? There should be a different channel for those interested in forming own group or pairing for practice.😊
fathom fulcrum
@tender solstice To make a suggestion, you must use the >suggest bot command. Btw, could you explain more about what you mean?
Like do you mean voice channels or text channels? And what do you want to use them for?
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tender solstice
suggest Can we have limited and focused channels? Eg. Voice channel, only german, english-german, all lang, and practice buddies.
There should be a different channel for those interested in forming special group or pairing for practice.
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gaunt carbon
suggest For each Level, an own Talk. Eg, Level A Talk, Level B and Level C, Native/Heritage Speaker Talk
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vocal oak
suggest add a nsfw channel
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proven adder
>suggest For each Level, an own Talk. Eg, Level A Talk, Level B and Level C, Nat...
what would be the function of those channels, isnt the exchange between the different levels what draws people to this server?
gaunt carbon
You're right, but maybe some people want to learn at their levels.
fringe ravine
The suggestion comes up again and again, and it is always rejected for the same reasons. It is supposed to have no real benefit and people who teach each other bad or wrong German are supposed to be protected from themselves.
(Warum schreib' ich das überhaupt in Englisch... 🤦♂️ )
obtuse stone
(Warum schreib' ich das überhaupt in Englisch... 🤦♂️ )
dumm
obtuse stone
Klar, ich kenn dich ja gut
gritty geyser
suggest
self roles to identify people’s first languages
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quaint cipher
Das wäre eigentlich schön. Manchmal hilft es zu wissen, welche Sprache Leute sprechen, um ihnen besser beim Lernen zu helfen. Mehrmals kommt diese Frage vor
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gilded swan
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quaint cipher
suggest a "no DMs" role for people who don't want to be DMd by random people
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quaint cipher
Apologise if this has been suggested before. I also don't know if it will make a difference, some people dont read roles, but this is driving me insane.
I can't set my account to friends only because I am a moderator in another server and need to be accessible
(Maybe the profile command can take care of that?)
obtuse stone
You could set it for this server only
fathom fulcrum
Apologise if this has been suggested before. I also don't know if it will make a...
Yeah, I think the issue is mostly that the kind of people who DM people without asking are the kind of people who just don't give a fuck about being polite / reading roles / whatever.
I've tried to explain to people like that before that you shouldn't just DM people randomly, and most of the time people like that simply express that they don't care, they just keep DMing, no matter what people say to them, and a lot of them even explicitly say "if they don't want to be DMd, they shouldn't have their DMs open".
So yeah, considering the attitude of such people, I doubt anything will help besides closing your DMs for the server... sorry. I think Discord just doesn't provide enough control over DM permissions for us to do much about it.
quaint cipher
You could set it for this server only
I didn't know that was a thing!! Thank you so much 😛
obtuse stone
Yeah, I think the issue is mostly that the kind of people who DM people without ...
Ah, would be nice if it (discord) did
obtuse stone
I didn't know that was a thing!! Thank you so much 😛
You're welcome! I hadn't known of it either, until some other user, who'd asked a similar question to yours before, some months ago pointed it out to me
tacit dagger
I don't understand why you shouldn't dm people?
I don't see much difference between this and any online forum in a community sense, and I never asked permission to send a message to someone in my almost 30 years of being on the Internet, if someone doesn't want dm/pm, they disable it and that's it, if they don't reply, they don't or block you if they consider you annoying
Granted, I had a huge blocklists in some places, and I see no problem with that
And when I send pm to someone it's because I have something to say in private or don't want to be interrupted, I mean, normal things, normal polite messages, can't remember if it ever happened that we didn't chat a bit
Same for receiving the messages, you ignore/block idiot (whatever you define by that) and reply to someone normal
Only here I see such requests about asking mods to tell people to not dm someone, or to ask permission to do so, and I find it utterly weird
So, would someone please care to explain what's the catch? No blocking abilities? Or what?
I'm really curious :)
fringe ravine
@tacit dagger Maybe people have just become more sensitive, or rather, think they have to be. I don't know, I am also a fossil...
tacit dagger
@fringe ravine 🤣
When I was teaching, kids once said 'can you please not send emails at 4am, I'm sleeping' and I was flabbergasted. Immediate response was - put your phone on silent /use profiles when you sleep.
It seems that many people think that they have to be reachable and have to reply
I have my online/reply status available, and my notifications off
I reply when I have time, if it's urgent - call, if it's really urgent, call 112/911
But my mom will stop everything if some notification comes :/ like pavlov's dogs, totally trained
Ok, I did teach her about automatic profiles
But I was wondering if issue here is something else, since this is the only place so far I've seen such requests from mods
fathom fulcrum
I don't understand why you shouldn't dm people?
I don't see much difference betw...
Basically we're not talking about DMing people for a practical reason. But a lot of people get tons and tons of random DMs from strangers, where people pester others to teach them German, practice German with them, get German help, or sometimes just to talk about random stuff like "where are you from? how old are you? what do you do for work?". This is fine if you know them already, but it's pretty annoying if it's a total stranger who's mass-DMing everyone without thinking about how rude it is.
And maybe it's not a big deal if it happens now and then, but some people get these messages every day or even multiple times a day. And it's annoying for them to have to individually block each person, or to close their DMs, because maybe they still want to DM with people when there's a practical reason. And turning notifications off doesn't solve the issue, because some people want notifications on to see when their friends messaged them, or mod pings if they're a mod on another server.
I get if you're someone who doesn't get these messages, it can seem like a non-issue, but even for me, who probably barely gets a fraction of the number of DMs that native speakers here do, it's really annoying.
And the issue is essentially that a lot of the current settings are very "all-or-nothing". It's not very customizable at all.
tacit dagger
Isn't there setting that you can allow only friends to send you messages?
And then you just reject all requests unless you know who it is
Also, there are apps that allow you to filter notifications and get pinged only for certain things
Like, one for my watch (not official one) allows me to filter by name of the sender and the app and even keywords
For phone I have all silent and minimised
I was on dating sites, I know what dummy messages are and how annoying they are :)
I had blocklists with several hundred accounts
I agree, having option to regulate in detail is helpful
But maybe this discussion helps someone to setup their system
I use tasker for many things profile/notifications related, but learning curve for that is huge
Ifttt, automate and similar should be easier to grasp
It's just that if you're at some social platform, no mods in the world can remove unsolicited messages no matter what they do, so, you as a user have to use all tools available to do so
I'd probably just block all non friends or everyone and create another discord account to use for friends and never write publicly with it so no one knows it exists
Throwing some ideas
Or just answer with 'yeah sure, this is my bitcoin wallet, transfer 10 bitcoins in advance and I'll think about teaching you'
I mean, you are allowed to be rude if someone is rude to you
I feel sorry for people who are harassed in their pms, I know the feeling, and staying sharp and 'cruel' is a way to go IMO, you're not here to provide free service, you're here to have fun, if it's not fun, delete it from your inbox and have zero remorse
There are options
And yes, mods cannot do anything useful about it, not with this huge number of users
@fathom fulcrum
fathom fulcrum
If it's easy for you personally to just ignore that stuff and not be bothered by it, that's very good. But it's not necessarily that easy for everyone, and there are completely valid reasons why people comment here asking what can be done to improve the situation, as not everyone finds the solutions that you mentioned adequate.
Your suggestions may be helpful for someone, so providing options for people is definitely welcome. But basically it's good to remember that even if you can't relate with their reasons for having concerns, those reasons can still be very valid, as is the case here. Different people have different needs, to put it simply.
lucid ledge
suggest A small role for trusted correctors in #writing and #corrections that enable them to mark a work as 'corrected' with a bot command. A further idea would be to ping the individual who has published the work when this command is invoked. The idea would be to help make the channels more systematic and organised for each individual who needs it.
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fathom fulcrum
@lucid ledge Is there a reason why doing it manually doesn't work?
lucid ledge
I would prefer to discuss it with everyone when we're running through the suggestions, however to summarise my viewpoint is to give recognition to those who do provide high quality corrections to the benefit of the users receiving corrections and the correctors themselves. I'm hoping that this will also reduce the work of correctors in general by making sure that if a work is marked as corrected in this format, we know that the corrections themselves must not be corrected based on this system of trust.
fringe ravine
Ich denke, dass gleich mehrere Gründe dagegen sprechen. Zum einen könnte es Personen entmutigen Korrekturvorschläge zu machen, die nicht solch eine Rolle ausfüllen, was grundsätzlich ja gegen die Server-Philosophie der freiwilligen und spontanen gegenseitigen Hilfe spricht. Zu anderen macht jeder ab und an Fehler - auch Korrekturen bleiben unter Umständen verbesserungswürdig.
Darüber hinaus, wer soll denn bitte entscheiden, wer und warum jemand solch einen Status bekommen soll? Bleibt am Ende des Tages dann nur noch ein Anspruch auf professionelle und fachliche Expertise?
quaint cipher
Ich stimme shin komplett zu
lucid ledge
Ich denke, dass gleich mehrere Gründe dagegen sprechen. Zum einen könnte es Pers...
Danke dass du deine Meinung teilst! Ich geb dir meine Antwort wenn ich wieder zuhause bin 
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leaden orbit
Woohoo
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obtuse stone
^*of this server
quaint cipher
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Wie können Leute diese Rolle anfordern? Wird's ein Botbefehl sein oder etwas ähnliches wie die Muttersprachlerrolle?
leaden orbit
It won’t be a primary role I believe. And will need to be requested from a mod ^^
obtuse stone
Ähnlich wie die Muttersprachlerrolle und ist auch bereits in #getting-started vermerkt ^^
obtuse stone
It won’t be a primary role I believe. And will need to be requested from a mod ^...
Da hast du recht!
rugged basalt
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Rip
Hi bulli
Bye bulli
quaint cipher
Cool, danke :)
leaden orbit
Da hast du recht!
Darf ich bitte die Rolle haben?
obtuse stone
Du hast die Rolle
leaden orbit
Ich dachte die Farbe war geändert. Oopsie
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compact garnet
suggest Give Nitro boosters their own role.
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lapis nymph
suggest Bot gibt lustige Antworte darauf, wenn man besondere Befehle nicht verwenden darf, statt einfach "DAS KANN NUR X TUN" zu sagen
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obtuse stone
>suggest Give Nitro boosters their own role.
You mean something else than 'Booster' which is given on any server by discord?
compact garnet
something like this.
obtuse stone
So your suggestion is that you want it to be shown in the memberlist?
compact garnet
So your suggestion is that you want it to be shown in the memberlist?
yes
obtuse stone
Oki ^^
sudden willow
Hallo
lucid ledge
Ich denke, dass gleich mehrere Gründe dagegen sprechen. Zum einen könnte es Pers...
hat eine Woche gedauert aber bin wenigstens jetzt zuhause :^)
Ok, ich glaub aufgrund der Detail-Armut meines Vorschlages kam es zum Missverständnis. Meine Idee war es nämlich, dass #writing/ #corrections genauso funktionieren würden wie bisher, nur mit dem Zusatz von einer 'Korrektur' Rolle. Jeder hätte immer noch die Fähigkeit Korrekturen vorzuschlagen, die (seiner Meinung nach) der ursprünglichen Absicht und Bedeutung des Textes zutreffen. Was der Server von einer solchen Rolle und damit von der Bot-Integration gewinnt wäre nicht nur die Sicherheit der Lernenden in Bezug auf die Gültigkeit ihrer Korrekturen, sondern auch die Möglichkeit für Lernende und Korrektoren, zu sehen, wessen Text möglicherweise unbemerkt geblieben ist.
Zum ersten Punkt: Das ist kein Vorschlag für eine endgültige Lösung für schnelle ''Einzelhandelskorrekturen'' rund um die Uhr. Aufgrund des menschlichen Faktors ist das auch keine Garantie dafür, dass die Korrekturen von denjenigen die diese Rolle besitzen würden, auch stets inhaltlich und grammatikalisch korrekt durchgeführt werden würden. Dem Lernenden steht es nach wie vor frei, Korrekturen von allen Mitgliedern zu verwenden, unabhängig von Niveau oder Richtigkeit. Allerdings erkennen wir durch so eine Rolle - genau wie ein vertrauenswürdiger Kritiker oder Rezensent - die Konsistenz an, die die Korrektoren selbst uns gegenüber bewiesen haben. Genauso gut könnte ein Amateur eine ebenso treffende Aussage machen, und der Erfahrene könnte genauso gut Mist bauen. Aber dadurch, dass wir ihnen die Rolle übergeben, zeigen wir, dass man ihnen schon aus Erfahrung vertrauen kann. Der Korrektor ist ebenfalls immer noch frei in seiner Entscheidung, ein Werk zu korrigieren oder zu lassen, kann sich aber dafür entscheiden seine Zeit anders zu nutzen wenn er sieht, dass jemand dem er vertraut es schon gemacht hat.
Zum zweiten Punkt: Es liegt schon in der Natur von #writing dass es immer mehr unterschiedliche Beiträge als #corrections haben wird. Daher kommts häufig vor, dass Texte leider übersehen werden, und aufgrund des ständigen Zustroms von Nachrichten für immer unbeantwortet bleiben. Im Laufe der Zeit trägt es dazu bei, dass die Motivation der Lernenden ihre Sprachlernreise mit uns auf GLaD fortzusetzen, leidet. Wir tragen zwar nicht die Verantwortung für ihre Motivation, aber ich finde, wenn ein Benutzer sich mit der ehrlichen Erwartung auf Hilfe meldet, sollte er nicht ignoriert oder unbeantwortet gelassen werden, selbst wenn es unabsichtlich ist. Ein weiteres Problem ist die unterschiedliche Herangehensweise an die Korrekturen. Viele Leute haben sich angewöhnt, eine Reaktion unter dem Text zu hinterlassen, um eine vollständige Korrektur zu kennzeichnen. Manche pingen die Person direkt an, manche pingen mit langen Erklärungen, manche hinterlassen Kommentare auf Google-Docs, manche hinterlassen Kommentare und Korrekturen auf Google-Docs, die sofort alle angenommen und gelöscht werden, ohne dass es ein Zeichen gibt, dass es jemals korrigiert wurde. Durch die Systematisierung lassen wir keinen Raum für Unklarheiten für alle Mitglieder.
Mein letzter Punkt, der bisher unerwähnt blieb, ist, dass die Rolle auch dazu dienen würde, die unzähligen Stunden anzuerkennen die Mitglieder in den Server und seine Benutzer gesteckt haben. Ist ja vollkommen Wurst, ich finde es aber trotzdem schade, dass viele solcher Mitglieder trotz ihrer Arbeit in der größeren Community unerkannt bleiben. Die Rolle verpflichtet sie weder dazu jemals wieder zu helfen, noch haben sie irgendwelche zusätzliche Macht oder Ansehen. Es ist einfach eine Anerkennung, die längst überfällig ist.
Die freiwillige und spontane Hilfe die auf dem Server geleistet wird darf nicht unterschätzt werden, nur weil es Einzelpersonen gibt die es vielleicht besser machen. Diese Personen wird es unabhängig davon weiterhin geben, es ist jetzt nur unsere Entscheidung, ob wir glauben dass Anerkennung und Systematisierung unseren Mitgliedern schadet, nützt oder überhaupt nichts bringt.
English vers:
I believe as a result of the lack of detail in my suggestion we have come to a misunderstanding. My idea was based on the principle that #writing/#corrections would function exactly as it has before, only with the addition of a 'corrector' role. Everyone would still be fully able and encouraged to provide corrections that (in their opinion) fit the original intention and meaning of the text. What I'm looking to add with such a role, and further bot integration, is not just giving learners security with the validity of their text, but also help learners and correctors alike in seeing whos text may have gone unnoticed.
On the first point: This is not a suggestion to provide an penultimate solution to fast retail corrections around the hour. Because of the human factor, this is also not a guarantee that the corrections from those with the role will be consistently correct in context and grammar. I do however believe that it's ultimately a step forward in helping both learner and corrector. The learner is still free to accept corrections from all members regardless of skill level, however not entirely unlike a trusted critic or reviewer, we are acknowledging consistency that the corrector themselves have proved to us. In the same vein, an amateur might be able to give just as poignant of a point, and the experienced one may just as likely fumble, but by bestowing the role upon them we signify that from experience, they are to be trusted. The corrector is likewise still free to choose to correct a work or leave it, but may choose to use his time differently if he sees someone he trusts has done so before him.
On the second point: Due to it's very nature, the #writing channel will always have more unique participants than #corrections. As a result, it is often the case that texts can be missed and due to the constant influx of content, are left forever unanswered. I see this over time contributing to a detrimental effect on the motivation of learners to continue their language learning journey with us on GLaD. While I do not claim we take responsibility for motivating them entirely, I do think that when a user reaches out with a genuine expectation of help, it shouldn't be left ignored or unanswered, even if ulimately unintentional. Another issue is the varied approach everyone takes to correcting. Many people have adopted leaving a reaction underneath the text to signify a complete correction, some ping the person directly, some ping with long explainations, some leave comments on google works, some leave comments and corrections on google documents which are immediately all accepted and deleted signifying not change to have occured. By systemizing this process we leave no room for ambiguity for all parties.
My final point and one left mostly unmentioned up until now, is that the role would also serve to recognize the help that users have spent hours and hours providing to the server and its users. This is entirely arbitrary, however I still find it a shame that despite their work, a lot of such members still go unrecognized within the wider community. The role does not bind them to helping ever again if they don't so wish, nor do they hold any extra power or standing, it is simply recognition well overdue.
To conclude, the voluntary and spontaneous help provided on the server will not be underestimated just because there are indviduals who exist who may do better. Those individuals will still continue to exist regardless, it is just our choice now whether we believe recognition and systemisation will provide harm, good, or nothing of value at all to our users.
On my personal thoughts on who should decided who recieves such a role, along with the usefulness of such changes, would be in my opinion best assigned and 'peer reviewed' by those most active in the channel. Those members include (but are not limited to) @leaden merlin, @quaint cipher , @kind glacier, @fathom fulcrum , @gilded swan , @lime sparrow, @lapis nymph, @sinful oak
I hope this answered your questions, if you find any mistakes in english or german grammar feel free to correct (hahahahha xDD) me
lime sparrow
I actually don’t hate the suggestion btw it sounds like a good idea
at least on paper
lucid ledge
careful so did communism
jade spindle
suggest As the international memes day for 2021 approaches, I'm once again asking for your administrative support. As I think all of you know, we don't have a memes channel. I'm not running all over this server raising enormous sums of attention from some of the wealthiest learners of german. I am so proud of all of us that we have up to this point in the campaign received more individual contributions for the memes channel than any other potential channel in the history of the GLAD server. I believe a memes channel is a right, not a privilege! #MemeCareForAll
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jade spindle
suggest this
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tacit dagger
@lucid ledge just chiming in to say that I find your proposal really good!
Both in terms of making it more directed/clear how to do things and in terms of recognising generally known contributors
I never participated in those channels because honestly when I looked at them, it was just too much for me to figure out what I have to do, how will I know if it is corrected and especially if I can trust the correction at all, and such so I lost the interest and just muted them
Being new at the server and in German, having some hints how to navigate around each channel is really helpful and especially such roles are giving you the confidence that you don't need to spend a ton of time to triple check the answer
lucid ledge
I appreciate your feedback immensely, thank you
fossil jetty
Hallo, können Sie bitte auch Sprachkanäle für Anfänger und Fortgeschnittene erstellen? Das macht die Kommunikation einfacher
Ich meine unterschiedliche Kanäle für unterschiedliche Neveaus
fathom fulcrum
Hallo, können Sie bitte auch Sprachkanäle für Anfänger und Fortgeschnittene erst...
Ja, das gibt es. German Only für Fortgeschrittene (aber Anfänger sind auch erlaubt) und Practice Room für Anfänger (aber Fortgeschrittene sind auch erlaubt).
fossil jetty
achso danke 🌹
spark skiff
suggest Implement pronunciation lessons, similar to the sessions held for grammar and reading comprehension. Those lessons could be held by a native speaker or someone who has extensive knowledge of the language, tongue positioning, possibly know IPA, the different symbols and what they represent, etc.
The students could try to pronounce a vowel, consonant, word or entire phrase, and the teacher can then review them, one-on-one, one by one, correcting their mistakes and giving advices, as is done in real schools. This would greatly benefit the students, as routine practice and corrections are what makes someone learn a language. Homework could also be implemented.
P.S.: Everything in the second paragraph are just suggestions. The teacher can adapt or change them according to what they see fit; those are just to give an example of what a session might look like.
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wild aurora
@spark skiff this should go to #community-discussion ^^
wild aurora
it's fine 😅 I just wanted to point out that this is not really something that can be implemented by the moderation team, if people would like to run these sessions they are more than welcome to but we can't force people
odd widget
Can we have channels related to Bundesliga
suggest channels regarding Bundesliga football
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odd widget
noice
static pulsar
I like that suggestion!
uncut zodiac
suggest Kanäle in Bezug auf die deutsche Regierung und die Europäische Union
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hidden mist
suggest This is a two-parter:
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tight hill
I support this motion :3 @hidden mist
lucid ledge
Big big support
Yall sick of me saying it but more mods/helpers is a natural and healthy part to a rapidly growing server, and baby you been growing
If accountability and trust is important trial a bunch of eager people from the americas/Asia as helpers and see who you feel good ab having in the team.
glacial stump
Yeah I feel like the mods aren't spread out as much geographically
fiery tree
suggest Create voice chats for different levels of discussions.
I am at A level, and it's difficult for me to find fellow A level speakers, I always meet people from the higher levels, which is nice, but it's not good for them because they can't enjoy the conversation and it's not good for me because I can't understand what they are saying.
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hidden mist
suggestions like this have been rejected before, as when one level is in a channel, it allows for mistakes to not be noticed ^^
however, if you wanna vc with similar level people or practice, you can always ask someone in text and do that. and the practice vc might be useful
buoyant glacier
suggest having #nsfw and #politics as seperate channels
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sick epoch
suggest >bonk command
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sterile sky
Thanks
lapis nymph
>suggest >bonk command
was würde ein >bonk Befehl tun?
lilac urchin
Bulli wehtun 
sand bramble
Sorry Alya. We can't make a command that takes away his drugs. 😔
obtuse stone
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odd widget
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Nice
lucid ledge
Thank you for your lovely response 
jade spindle
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my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
limpid lodge
i think there should be a >faq memepage because people keep asking for them
compact garnet
just make a memepage
exotic portal
could we do a 18+ channel
tight hill
according to #community-discussion , the overwhelming majority of people voted against such a channel so I'd say no
rugged basalt
suggest add the >faq homework thing to rules. I think that less people would ask about it if it were an actual rule that we can't do homework
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quaint cipher
I doubt it tbh. People barely read rules or understand them, especially those looking to cheat on their work
wild aurora
it's also already part of #getting-started
limpid lodge
Maybe we can lock people out until they read #getting-started
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, some servers do that. And we've discussed it here before as well.
My personal view is that I don't like being forced to read stuff when I join a new server. I prefer having the option to look around and get a feel for what the server is like before reading rules, etc. so I don't really like that idea.
rugged basalt
Idk i feel like it would help with raids
And it might make some specific weirdos realize they aren't really welcome here
Maybe like making 2fa required to send messages would be cool
fathom fulcrum
Maybe like making 2fa required to send messages would be cool
I don't think that's possible?
rugged basalt
I think it's possible through settings. I Believe I've seen it on a few servers
Yea it's a setting under the moderation tab in the server settings
There are several levels, I think raising it a big might help
fathom fulcrum
There are several levels, I think raising it a big might help
2FA and phone verification are different.
rugged basalt
Ah, well regardless i think moving it up more would be helpful
fathom fulcrum
2FA is only a setting for moderators/admins. And we have it on.
rugged basalt
Ah
limpid lodge
Yeah, some servers do that. And we've discussed it here before as well.
My pers...
yeah i don't really like it either tbh. i don't mind the occasional homework/exam cheaters since they're not usually malicious, it's the trolls that bothers me
fathom fulcrum
yeah i don't really like it either tbh. i don't mind the occasional homework/exa...
Yeah, true. We recently added some restrictions for new members. They can type but not post images or videos, or join voice chat.
fathom fulcrum
I think so.
And we will consider other ways we can improve this stuff as time goes.
limpid lodge
direct all newcomers to bulli so they can manually filter through them
fathom fulcrum
Then we'll just get 100% trolls. 
coral panther
A music channel is definitely missing... would be so useful to share german speaking songs to learn the language! where’s that german rap 👀
fathom fulcrum
@coral panther #archived-media
sand bramble
Well, in the future when Discord finalizes their welcome screen implementation, we'll at least be able to require that users have a verified email in a nice way, so that should ideally help with some low effort raids.
rugged basalt
We only accept the highest of quality when it comes to raids
tender cliff
wats raids
obtuse stone
When groups of accounts join to do some shit
lucid ledge
Like learning German together? 🤗
rugged basalt
suggest pronoun roles. I think they're nice :)
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tight hill
pretty sure this has been answered already, wait lemme find that
@rugged basalt #suggestions message
hidden mist
i think that even tho not everyone looks at roles, they would still be useful for those who do
at the very least he/she/they/ask roles
lucid ledge
@rugged basalt the profile command is coming soon
wild aurora
rugged basalt
Based
delicate rapids
I suggest that http://radio.garden be added to the pin in #resources 🙂
tight hill
@delicate rapids radio.garden is, in fact, already added to the list of resources (see 13.9 - Radio Streams, first entry)
also for future reference, people might miss your suggestion if you don't use >suggest before
fathom fulcrum
also for future reference, people might miss your suggestion if you don't use `>...
>resource for resource suggestions though.
tight hill
Does that also work in here or only in #resources ? @fathom fulcrum
fathom fulcrum
Does that also work in here or only in <#240524318512119810> ? <@!21708018525247...
Not sure. 👀
tight hill
ah well, learned a different command today ahaha^^ Thanks Base 👍
fathom fulcrum
ah well, learned a different command today ahaha^^ Thanks Base 👍
It's pinned in #resources if you ever forget.
sand bramble
I'm pretty sure it's limited to #resources, but it's intended to be used there.
tight hill
oh it that case let me make a suggestion haha
suggest Add a mention of the
>resourcecommand to the curated resource listing in #282831147942281216 (instead of pinging a mod as it currently states)
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fathom fulcrum
Catto. 😒
tight hill
fathom fulcrum
It clearly says you should ping a mod in #resources if there's a problem with the resource list.
But yeah, we can fix that.
Oh, wait.
@tight hill
tight hill
lol where's that 👀
tight hill
in #282831147942281216 : If you feel there is something missing from the list, please feel free to post it in the #resources channel and ping a moderator.
fathom fulcrum
Ohh, I see.
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sand bramble
Changed it, cheers cat. It's a bit hard when information is scattered across multiple channels, so it definitely happens that we forgot to update some random piece of info when making changes.
fathom fulcrum
That's why I don't manage any of the info channel posts. I can just blame Arrem if it's wrong. 😌
tight hill
Changed it, cheers cat. It's a bit hard when information is scattered across mul...
❤️ I understand haha 😄 If something pops up in that regard again I'll just mention it in #community-discussion so you don't have to go through the suggestion thing lol
fathom fulcrum
Jk thanks Arrem. 😻
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limpid lodge
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dire cypress
Pol! o/
fathom fulcrum
Just as an added note to the above suggestion about community day / events. If anyone at any time wants to host something like that, feel free to let us know by posting in #community-discussion with your idea. We always welcome users to run their own sessions and events and we're happy to facilitate that.
rugged basalt
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And y'all said it couldn't be done 😌
raw atlas
Hi!, I just want to suggest Practice Room voice chats by German Level A1, A2, B1, B2, etc. That way people will find the right spot to practice according to their level.
fathom fulcrum
Hi!, I just want to suggest Practice Room voice chats by German Level A1, A2, B1...
Please use the >suggest command to make suggestions.
However, we have already had this suggestion and we believe that level-specific VCs are more harmful than useful.
It doesn't really make sense for a group of A1 people to get together and speak only A1 level German with each other.
Practice Room 1 and 2 and all Study Groups may be used as beginner practice rooms as necessary.
sand bramble
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@sick epoch I'd like to point out that while everyone said uh sure and we accepted this, we have no idea what it's supposed to do, so maybe elaborate a bit.
quaint cipher
Ich war sehr neugierig 👀
limpid lodge
<@351172817519116301> I'd like to point out that while everyone said uh sure and...
We were thinking it could be implemented in a way similar with something like the >patcat command, but against horny people 😌
So maybe something like
bonk arrem
You have bonked arrem 284 times. Go to horny jail and drink some water, arrem!
sick epoch
Yeah, like that.
lilac urchin
bonk
Nice command but i‘m sure arrem will block me from this command too like he did with the shootdog command
lucid ledge
Because you went on a hund homicide
rugged basalt
Hundicide
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limpid lodge
suggest add an #emote-lobbying (or other suitable names) channel to keep emote suggestions separate from #community-discussion , since they tend to get buried by other community discussions. Hopefully this could encourage more emote voting and suggestions
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hexed owl
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