dull horizonBOT
@muted cedar, your suggestion has been answered.
@frank anchor, your suggestion has been answered.
@olive shore, your suggestion has been answered.
@dense knot, your suggestion has been answered.
dull horizonBOT
oljumbo
dull horizonBOT
mohammedthegladiator
fathom fulcrum
@severe lintel #1033125270217048246
severe lintel
<@588308236675842091> <#1033125270217048246>
Most of that thread is visas and applications, not culture. Also wouldnโt it be better for culture to have its own channel, while not being a thread?
fathom fulcrum
Most of that thread is visas and applications, not culture. Also wouldnโt it be ...
Can you explain why it would be better for it to have its own channel? And why it shouldn't be a thread?
severe lintel
Can you explain why it would be better for it to have its own channel? And why i...
From what I see in the threads is not much culture but rather visa and university applications. What I mean is create a bot that sends a culture fact/tradition/food daily. Maybe let people to interact too. As far with the thread, it was just a suggestion, it doesnโt really matter that much. I just find messages faster and easier to navigate to and from.
sturdy geode
niemand beantwortet ๐ฅ
fathom fulcrum
niemand beantwortet ๐ฅ
Yeah, we don't go through suggestions immediately. We do them in batches.
dull horizonBOT
@brave plume, your suggestion has been answered.
dull horizonBOT
@cerulean bough, your suggestion has been answered.
@storm cargo, your suggestion has been answered.
@safe whale, your suggestion has been answered.
@flat storm, your suggestion has been answered.
@wooden tendon, your suggestion has been answered.
@chilly moss, your suggestion has been answered.
@rapid snow, your suggestion has been answered.
dull horizonBOT
razor.80
fathom fulcrum
@round magnet Can you please open a ticket with #report-issue and explain to me in more detail what your concern is?
round magnet
<@1375252808940650536> Can you please open a ticket with <#863392663955832842> a...
alr
dull horizonBOT
rodeng
haughty fractal
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dull horizonBOT
killerpanda001
dull horizonBOT
mahbubdev
fathom fulcrum
@marble patio Sorry I'm not sure what you mean. What is "English to German"?
marble patio
<@658649533164814346> Sorry I'm not sure what you mean. What is "English to Germ...
@fathom fulcrum "English to German" means a channel where members can practice translating or converting English sentences into German. For example, someone writes a sentence in English, and others try to write it in German. It helps beginners because most people already understand English, so they can easily learn German step by step.
Also the one who translate they can also practice while translating the full sentence or correcting others sentence being like a mentor there....
fathom fulcrum
<@217080185252478987> "English to German" means a channel where members can pra...
Okay, I see. So far I haven't really seen any demand for that so I don't think we can jump right to a new channel. Would you interested in running a trial of the idea first?
marble patio
Okay, I see. So far I haven't really seen any demand for that so I don't think w...
Okay kein problem los geht's
fathom fulcrum
Okay kein problem los geht's
marble patio
Here you go: https://discord.com/channels/221708975698083841/1487678633567850616
Danke Schรถn
dull horizonBOT
salamancafamily
frank cosmos
<@&305455824174710787>
gentle surge
<@&305455824174710787>
zenith knoll
Hello
can we have a bot that listens to voice channels and write transcript or have voice channels for beginners
dull horizonBOT
wolfgang271
dull horizonBOT
mahbubdev
fathom fulcrum
@marble patio
Thank you for your suggestion but I'm going to save you some time and let you know this will not be accepted. There is no benefit from it, only downsides.
may slightly increase exposure to unsolicited messages or self-promotion
It would be at least 99% scams and ads.
can be effectively managed through clear rules, moderation
Yes, we manage it by not having a channel like that.
Building connections within the community can open up valuable opportunities such as internships, collaborations and career guidance.
"The community" is contained within the server so there is no need for external networking. We are not here to provide internships. This is a language learning server, not a careers guidance server. Please seek a more suitable server for this purpose. I'm sure there are many out there you can use instead of this one.
fathom fulcrum
why my suggestion got ignored
We answer them in batches, where we pick a certain number and then discuss them all and then answer them all at once.
In this case I just gave an unofficial answer early, so this user doesn't have to wait for us to get to that topic.
dull horizonBOT
mahbubdev
spare cypress
<@&305455824174710787> ?
dull horizonBOT
hildagermania
solar oak
Can i voice channel with custom name?
dull horizonBOT
the_rogue_prince
simple herald
@solar oak if you want to look for exhange partners, you could use #1065443550004781067 and say you'd like to VC ^^
solar oak
<@917066525612068934> if you want to look for exhange partners, you could use <#...
But in that channel, every one just describe themselves. To find similar partner you have to dm them, and you never know when they're only. If the voice channel name is "B1 only", immediately everyone can see, and the interested ones will join.
Right now the problem is, in the voice channel there's level mismatch.
solar oak
But in that channel, every one just describe themselves. To find similar partner...
@simple herald
simple herald
<@344114742652043264>
Yes, that's the point of the channel, to find people and DM them and set up a time when you want to meet. And you can state your preference for joining VC too. I'm not rejecting your suggestion, I'm just offering a solution since it seemed like you were looking for people to chat in VC with
dull horizonBOT
yukentsii
frank cosmos
@willow patrol Is your server still a thing?
frank cosmos
i can open one anytime
I have been adding another use who already has/had a GLaD Minecraft server.
cinder shore
I have been adding another use who already has/had a GLaD Minecraft server.
what is GLaD?
willow patrol
Oh yeah we did have a server (ran at my house) but due to unpopular demand Its currently not running
willow patrol
I mean I-
there was one
Currently there isn't
I could see if I can set it up again
willow patrol
a new world
Nah, many people built cool stuff already. We also had many griefers, had to come up with a login system etc
It was a pain with all the gamethrowers tbh
dull horizonBOT
spayc7
dull horizonBOT
john.6556
fathom fulcrum
Hi @viscid wadi , please read #lesson-info and let us know how your idea would differ from that.
viscid wadi
Hi <@578284662502195220> , please read <#985223070602133554> and let us know how...
I have never participated in a lesson on this server, but since the last one was hosted in march, they seem pretty scarce (not a critique tho, just a fact). The other server offers roles you can subscribe to which again can be pinged (eg @SessiondeLectura Any native speakers available to practise reading?) so they are more spontaneous and therfore happen almost daily.
I really recommend joining the server I mentioned and participating in a session once.
fathom fulcrum
I have never participated in a lesson on this server, but since the last one was...
We also have roles which can be pinged for lessons/sessions.
But they require someone to be willing to run the session.
The session doesn't run itself.
viscid wadi
We also have roles which can be pinged for lessons/sessions.
Yeah but the session mostly gets announced al least like three days prior, I'd prefer sth more spontaneous
fathom fulcrum
Yeah but the session mostly gets announced al least like three days prior, I'd p...
We had a channel for that for a while but no one ever used it because I assume people simply had no interest in running spontaneous sessions like that.
viscid wadi
Also the current lession lacks the feature of providing random texts to interested readers
fathom fulcrum
Random texts? What do you mean?
viscid wadi
Like this, you choose your level and the bot spits out a short text to read
These are the underlying resources
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O2KZYIn1S5xcWHAOvSo3bN2Wx-f-D1qKd9mMW6U5DhM/
If your interested
fathom fulcrum
Like this, you choose your level and the bot spits out a short text to read
So you're talking about a totally different feature here compared to the one in your suggestion?
There's an endless supply of texts to read freely online for German so I don't think it's necessary to have this as a bot feature.
viscid wadi
So you're talking about a totally different feature here compared to the one in ...
Well not really, it's one of the features of the Lectura thing i described, obviously you could just copy any text from the Internet as long as you are on a pc, on the phone it's a different story.
And just pressing a button is a lot more comfortable than searching for texts that correspond to your level
Every Time you wanna read
fathom fulcrum
Well not really, it's one of the features of the Lectura thing i described, obvi...
I don't get what you mean. A button to generate a text is a completely separate feature compared to a role people can ping for spontaneous VC events.
viscid wadi
Maybe it's because I have something as comparaison but to me they don't seem to far apart, since the text generation would be directly related to the reading ping
i saw youre a member of that server as well, i recommend you look into this feature
Obv you don't have to but I think this is really sth this server could profit from
fathom fulcrum
Maybe it's because I have something as comparaison but to me they don't seem to ...
They are very different and would require very different amounts of work and different ownership of responsibilities to achieve.
But you are welcome to make a suggestion for the bot feature if you would like to suggest it.
viscid wadi
But you are welcome to make a suggestion for the bot feature if you would like t...
Yeah since the lession feature more or less exists already, I'll do that instead
tranquil pecan
I didn't really mention it in the announcement, but this channel is to be use for suggestions ONLY. Just to keep it simple and easier to manage
sand bramble
Less censorship.
gritty geyser
empty drift
ich denke dieses server ist geil ๐
ich habe auch mit viele leuten hier gesprochen
empty drift
dank die @regal axle dass du mich hier vorgestellt hast ๐
nocturne yarrow
German Meme der Woche Channel?
Als ein Treffpunkt fรผr Fremdsprachler und Deutsche Popkultur?
gritty geyser
Ja, fรผr Frendsprachler
regal axle
Fremdsprachler, wenn schon
gritty geyser
Nein, wirklich???
gritty geyser
Woah, du hast mir echt die Augen geรถffnet ๐ฎ
nova mango
Hier wird schon wieder nur gespammt ๐
gritty geyser
@nova mango Wusstest du, dass man fremd mit M schreibt ๐ฎ
nova mango
Also jetzt weiร ich es ๐
gritty geyser
Man lernt nie aus ๐ฎ
regal axle
Tschรผss!
empty drift
viele schรถne deutscher hier :3
empty drift
ok
cinder ice
@sand bramble I don't understand what you mean by "less censorship". It doesn't seem like there's much already / Ich nicht verstehe was du mit "geringer Zensur". Das ist nicht viel schon
sand bramble
Haha. Wormic deleted a couple of offtopic messages in this channel, so I "suggested" that. It was only a joke though. ๐
cinder ice
@sand bramble Oh ๐
lone spindle
we should make an annual meetup ... what about the 24th of december at 18:00 ? ๐
gritty geyser
Ja ich bin jetzt dort
nocturne yarrow
Ne, wir treffen uns Im Treppchen bei mir die Straรe runter
hardy minnow
ayy I live 45 miles south of San Francisco.
sand bramble
Hm. Introduction?
tranquil pecan
I mean, yeal, we could make an introductions channel where everyone that oins could write about themselves, both in english and german would be fine
maybe tell people their hobbies and such
sand bramble
Well if you're into CS you have something in common with 80% of the server. ๐
sand bramble
looks at username
tranquil pecan
xd
sand bramble
Oh there are my interests.
But yeah, +1, but we'd need to think about how to do it.
cinder ice
@tranquil pecan I think that's a great idea, you can briefly list your interests and then it gives you some starting topic points to speak to them about.
alpine storm
I'm also in the r/ french server and when people join the server a bot asks questions and then assigns them tags. it asks where you live, what level french you are, and what your native language is. this can then be expanded to include ^^^ interests. which the tag will then give people access to an interest specific channel (of course you dont need a channel for everything). the native language tag could open up an english channel, a french channel, etc whatever the popular languages of this server are.
I realized as I was writing this that people had level tags, but it's not really inforced or shown to people when they enter the channel that this is something people can recieve. (is it via bot or moderator?)
gritty geyser
you should check out #248502580265615363
gritty geyser
we're working on a new bot to replace the current one
this will include your suggestion as well
sand bramble
We usually have a bot that the users can ask to assign them a role, but it's been pretty unstable/down lately. We are planning to replace it with a self-made one tailored to our needs. Though I'd personally prefer something like the current -getrole command instead of the bot asking questions. We do reserve assignments of Native to ourselves just so it isn't abused.
Bully 0x1 beat me to it. :(
But yeah, thanks!
alpine storm
well when you join the r/ french server it comes as a message in a welcome channel from the bot that explains how to assign yourself roles so something like ]language english, would assign someone the Englisch tag. and ]country Canada would assign them the Kanada tag, etc
but yeah : ) kp
crude summit
Can someone stuff all the writing prompts in a document by date or something (maybe with hotlinks to entries (and maybe colour-coded to show whether they're through correction))? The chaos in that window unnerves me. I can lend a hand if need be.
gritty geyser
We're planning to do that
crude summit
Cool.
sand bramble
Can confirm. I've been meaning to but never got the time because you know why. I'm home now so I should get to it soon. ๐
crude summit
No worries! (Hope it went well.)
sand bramble
Another hard and messy one that I barely managed to finish in time, but yes, it was great. ๐
crude summit
#248502580265615363 needs to be updated apropos of--ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD.
sand bramble
noitdoesntwekindakilledthatonebutdidnttellanyoneaboutitandjusthopednobodywouldnoticeshhh
terse quail
How about a storytelling channel that contains one story that keeps getting expanded by its users? like user 1 writes "Ein Mann wirft dir einen Ball zu" and the next user writes "Der Ball beinhaltet eine Chemikalie"
sand bramble
And then some cunt comes and writes "and then everyone died". ๐
Interesting idea, though.
gritty geyser
then you just have to reply "you cunt do that!"
crude summit
Ban: โand then everyone diesโ and โ and then I woke upโ
twilit crown
"suddenly, the universe ceased to exist"
cinder ice
@twilit crown "This was because Jimmy, the man who had dreamed the entire universe, had just woken up."
The challenge isn't stopping people from ending the universe - it's finding ways to get around that ๐
pine python
why isn't the deutsch-only room named nur-deutsch?
tight hill
Was already named like that before I became mod but it's some sort of joke :P
cinder ice
On that note, could there be a deutsch-only voice channel? While it would be mostly for those experienced enough with the language to use it in conversation, it could also be good listening practice for lower-level speakers.
gritty geyser
isn't it the practice room?
plush sinew
native speakers like rin and me, the A2 speaker, often just sit in voice channels on this server so when we play a game and speak german people can listen in, whether they're just curious or want to try and get accustomed to the german language
pine python
What about a room for Germany and questions about the country
and other German-speaking countries
sand bramble
Yes. Im an expert on Germany-related questions. Did you know that Germany is in Europe?
pine python
woah
@nova mango yeah I know but I feel like I'm spamming when I have like 20 questions about Berlin
tranquil pecan
it's not spamming, you can post it
you can also do it in #questions
@pine python
gritty geyser
omg Germany is in Europe?
old bough
uh germany is the capitol of europe @gritty geyser
sand bramble
wtf schlange germany can't be the capitol, its is a language not a country
gritty geyser
Mama:3
pine python
I thought Germany was a type of dog
ruby tree
I thought it was a type of U-boat
sand bramble
Ich-Boot. :P
ok0x1dontyellatus:(
gritty geyser
๐ค
manic hill
wow
ich mein
die reime kรถnnten bessser sein aber dafรผr dass es deutsch ist, ist es ziemlich gut
dull sparrow
I may be the only one, but I find it hard to fit my knowledge of literally every language I've learned into the CEFR.
gritty geyser
yeah okay
tranquil pecan
@dull sparrow in what way?
violet mirage
I haven't had any difficulty
like I'd consider myself a B because I'd know enough that it's servicable and would probably be able to get around germany without much difficulty, but I don't know enough to read complex texts and hold a conversation fluidly
which is more or less the definition on the goethe institute website
gritty geyser
it helps if you rate your skills individually: speaking, listening, writing, reading. Then you cna consider yourself as the average thereof; it's not meant to be an exact evaluation anyway
for example I consider myself B2 or B1, even though I'm probably just around A2 at speaking
quartz tinsel
You could add roles for a member's native language and country of origin. It can be automated through bot
gritty geyser
I agree, it would actually be useful to explain grammar concepts if you can draw a parallel with somebody's native language
cinder ice
Doesn't Discord have a role limit though?
I think it's just easier to ask "Was ist deine Muttersprache/Wo wohnst du"
gritty geyser
yeah but then it doesn't stay and you have to ask every time you forget, which in my case is every couple of seconds
tight hill
I'm not sure if there's a limit to roles but maybe you can imagine that it would be quite a lot of work creating a bunch of roles + assigning them later on ๐ But if you want to, you can change your nickname on this server to show your native language etc. ๐
cinder ice
Nickname has a length though.
@gritty geyser Click the user's name and add their native country/language(s) under Note
tight hill
that's the best solution I have atm ๐ฆ
cinder ice
Then just click and see it whenever you need
sand bramble
We've had this request quite a few times, but what Cat said is pretty much our greatest concern. Plus a certain someone that would assign themselves all of the Native X roles the minute we let the bot assign them. :P
What would be fancy IMO is a stalkybot that keeps info on people and their native/other languages, but that has its cons too.
Also sorry, my note section is already taken. ๐ http://i.imgur.com/7XTk1sj.png
tight hill
๐ฟ
sand bramble
There there. pets
quartz tinsel
Here is a screenshot of a user profile from a similar Discord server as yours (for learning French though) which implemented this idea: http://i.imgur.com/BJyjFLK.png
And the automated bot message: http://i.imgur.com/3HXbdCz.png
For example, Matthew, a random user I found on the server, has been tagged with: Advanced learner (which corresponds to the Level C here), Official Member (I agree, not really useful), Student (The equivalent of 'Learning German' here), Portuguese (his mother tongue) and Brazil (his country of origin/residence, I don't know)
And we can see AgentOrange just arriving and setting his roles up with commands such as !french [level of French], !language, !country thanks to the bot.
gritty geyser
There's a role limit of 200
tight hill
" Plus a certain someone that would assign themselves all of the Native X roles the minute we let the bot assign them. :P"
not even joking, we already had that so... nice if it works on their server but it didn't work here ๐ฆ
gritty geyser
I can exclude said person from using the command
quartz tinsel
Make it only one native role then: Native German
There are basically four levels: A, B, C, Native
gritty geyser
We already have that
quartz tinsel
Oh yes, my bad.
gritty geyser
It's fine :)
quartz tinsel
Make it so people can only assign themselves one native role then?
sand bramble
Hm, still though. Roles or a separate system to keep track of it? :<
quartz tinsel
(One foreign native role)
gritty geyser
Hm
quartz tinsel
I really don't know. I've asked for the name of the bot in the server, because 'Nostradamus' gives nothing in Google
sand bramble
They may be using a custom bot.
Also what 0x1 says. I'm not sure what we should opt for.
Roles could get a bit hard to manage, but are easy to see, while a custom system gives us more flexibility but makes you do a >info @whoever whenever you want to see which languages someone speaks.
quartz tinsel
Maybe if I can get in touch with the guy that set up this bot in the French sever, would you like having a chat with him? To ask him questions on how he set it up usw.
Now I've got a name @gritty geyser @sand bramble http://i.imgur.com/SlKsZiR.png
Just tell me if you'd like to get in touch with him, and I'll try my best
sand bramble
Yeah, I assumed as much. Well @obtuse sedge is our own custom bot too, and we could easily add anything to it. It's just a matter of what's the best thing to do / what the community wants now.
gritty geyser
Thanks for your suggestion, I'll look into it when I get some time :)
quartz tinsel
Oh, I didn't know there was a custom bot
gritty geyser
Bot dev here ๐
sand bramble
Though I'd really like to get some feedback from people regarding the role vs custom made language info system thing.
Bot he-makes-me-do-things-because-he's-a-bully here ๐ ๐
quartz tinsel
Wow, Gratulation @gritty geyser ! ๐
gritty geyser
imo roles is better. Having to call an info command would be creepy
quartz tinsel
I agree @sand bramble. I'll probably ask Exil some details about his role system anyway.
sand bramble
Yeeeah, I figured as much myself. :|
Option 3) bug Discord to give us full plugin support and promise we won't spread viruses all over the place. ๐
gritty geyser
a bot could edit nicknames too to put tags, right?
although it could be considered invasive
No
Notes are local
I like the current system where I can click on someone's name and look at the tags.
Or tags, as you like to call them
no I meant tags in nicknames like [ITA] Brzrkr
Oh
Sorry
But yeah, thats possible
roles is still the best option imo
what determines the priority of which role gives your nickname's colour though?
The role position
the highest role determines the colour
quartz tinsel
Well no need to repeat me
gritty geyser
I think if roles is the way to go then the native language role should have low priority. I think German proficiency should be the displayed colour for everyone but mods and the like
Well, yeah.
and maybe native language > "german learner" if they don't have a native language set
I mean if they don't have a proficiency set
thats how it is at the moment
But thanks for the hint
didn't mean to sound arrogant :x
Haha, it's fine :-)
quartz tinsel
@gritty geyser The 'Native German' could simply be a level of proficiency. As I explained earlier: Level A > B > C > Native
quartz tinsel
Keep the color yellow for <@&222067617836302346> and different colors for the three other levels.
gritty geyser
Nice ping
quartz tinsel
Oh crap, thing I've just mentiioned everyone
gritty geyser
Yes you did >.<
stone beacon
thanks
gritty geyser
hi
plush sinew
โค
arctic crypt
hey there
quartz tinsel
Rofl
gritty geyser
๐
quartz tinsel
I'm dying x)
plush sinew
lets discuss this in a highly civilized and overly lengthy manner
sand bramble
I do not see a point to such a trivial discussion and would consider it to be an utmost waste of time that could be spent doing things that are way more productive than pointlessly bickering over being notified that your presence was required when it was actually not.
quartz tinsel
I second this.
plush sinew
i very dearly endorse the way you always appreciatively express your everlasting love for me, dear Arrem
sand bramble
Oh yes, Rayder, my love for you is boundless. Even in this unfortunate situation where our opinions diverge, I still express my deepest respect and appreciation toward you, and accept your opinion as well as your right to have one, as is common in a modern democratic society. โค
regal axle
Mention Native German really? I think it was important >_>
plush sinew
โค
quartz tinsel
I apologise
plush sinew
i'm tempted to try smth atm
quartz tinsel
Ping a whole f*cking level?
plush sinew
i might still be able to ping the native role, though i havent tried it since i know it can be annoying to pinged and think it's smth important when it actually isnt
quartz tinsel
Holy
plush sinew
wow
gritty geyser
I wish there was a middle ground between not pinging anyone and pinging the whole fucking German population
plush sinew
ping individually
gritty geyser
yeah but like, say I have a question for native speakers, if I only ping one specific one out of the blue it's gonna look weird
tardy quiver
that moment when someone accidentally pings ๐
quartz tinsel
It still pinged the whole population.
sand bramble
Well many of them are hanging around here anyway and don't need the ping, which is nice.
sour hamlet
Got pinged. Trying to find it. XD
quartz tinsel
Oh gosh
tardy quiver
it was just an accident
sand bramble
The role does have a space in between, so yeah.
Also yes, someone made a mistake. Sorry to all who got pinged. โค
regal axle
I hate Serenen, Ryry014, 0x4 (lin n->......) xD
quartz tinsel
People still receive a notification even though I deleted the message, smh
sour hamlet
Um. Why?
sand bramble
Also also, don't play with pings anymore. ๐
gritty geyser
Damn
quartz tinsel
I'd better leave now. Caused too much trouble already.
gritty geyser
@sand bramble Hey ๐
sand bramble
@gritty geyser Fokken ell.
gritty geyser
โค
sand bramble
โค
quartz tinsel
Gute Nacht alle
For a night in the history of the German learning server, the suggestions channel was a place of vivid life and meetings โค
regal axle
Nacht
gritty geyser
Nacht Nacht :)
sand bramble
Nacht. ๐
gritty geyser
Perhaps a way to opt out of getting pinged
that would be good, but it would have to be implemented by the discord devs themselves
cough
help removerole
obtuse sedgeBOT
>[removerole|rr] <role>
Removes a role from you.
Who the fuck pinged me?!
gritty geyser
dat's not da same ting mon
must have been the pan-germanic accidental ping of the century that happened about an hour ago
quartz dew
Not exactly sure where to put this message in what channel but in the twitch stream, the settings don't have it so that the past broadcasts are shown and in the #248502580265615363 channel, it says the previous broadcasts should be there o3o
sand bramble
Yeah, the guy started streaming and then stopped. And he apparently deleted all his videos? That should be removed unless someone else wants to pick it up.
sand bramble
Well, we usually read & explain a chapter from the book, solve the exercises together, answer any remaining questions and then optionaly stay around to chat some more if there's interest.
sinful zealot
Why is the notif from this channel not going away ;____;
gritty geyser
Are you on your phone by any chance?
gritty geyser
what about making a role for people that are absolutely OK with being corrected even if they make mistakes in every single sentence? It would serve as a signal to experts/native speakers that that person will always accept being corrected and there's no fear (s)he'd take offence
especially seeing how Germans feel shy about correcting others :>
cinder ice
I would definitely add that to myself.
sand bramble
You might have joined the wrong server if you're shy about being corrected. That's exactly how you learn. Thus, nobody should be shy about correcting others. You're just being helpful. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
gritty geyser
Germans feel shy about correcting others @sand bramble
sand bramble
Better, Barnaby?
gritty geyser
โค
I feel the same way but I still see many mistakes not being corrected; that might reinforce bad habits :x
I'd feel bad if I were to correct literally every mistake
No idea why
nova mango
^
twilit crown
^
gritty geyser
and that's the point of my suggestion :>
nova mango
I don't want to make people think that they write nothing correct at all by pointing out every mistake ๐
gritty geyser
Exactly
call the role something like Grammar Masochist or something
LOL
I love to be punished when my declensions are wrong, it makes me all tingly down in the vocabulary
aww
I'll start with you then
โค
sand bramble
Well I mean we don't want to lead anyone to any false assumptions. ๐
gritty geyser
or do we?
sand bramble
Naw.
Myria has a talent for telling people they suck. Would be a shame to waste it. ๐
gritty geyser
๐ฅ
nova mango
Only if it's you, Clive ๐
gritty geyser
gotcha
nova mango
Only your pronunciation. ๐
violet mirage
I can confirm that I want literally everything I say corrected
I can't tell if I'm phrasing things weirdly or incorrectly so it helps a lot if someone that knows better than me can point that out
So I can remember it for next time
quartz tinsel
I don't think this is a good idea. Native Germans are not always here, and I doubt they're willing to correct every single mistake we make, because first, they're likely to not have the time for it (this is a volunteer server), and second, our sentences, even if they're wrong in the slightest, can make perfect sense. And then, if a dude with the I always want to be corrected has his message not reviewed, he would start to rant to other people for not being corrected despite his little role, etc. We should let the Germans here correct us when they find it useful or when the learner clearly asks for a correction along with his message. No need to have 100% of our sentences always corrected. Natives are't bots. Learning a language is also about personal efforts/experience, we cannot be corrected as soon as we want because it is simply not how language learning works, and how it would work in real life. It's about personal experimentation as well. Finally, being myself native helper on the French Discord, I can only think of the addition of this role and the mayhem that it would create.
gritty geyser
You misunderstood the nature of the suggestion. It wasn't "always correct me", but rather "always feel free to correct me", in other words it would be an automatic "when the learner clearly asks for a correction along with his message" as you mention yourself. Obviously nobody could be forced to do anything.
sand bramble
I dunno, learning is kinda the point of the server, so I still feel like nobody should feel shy about correcting or being corrected in the first place. It is true that natives may be a little hesitant to correct literally every mistake, but they shouldn't. A conversation where a native rewrites the sentence the way they would say it and then gives their reply would be perfectly okay and not too much of a hassle for anyone. In essence, I don't think even the non-natives should shy away from correcting mistakes, since as MK pointed out, the natives can't be here 24/7, and correcting people is a lovely way to learn.
Also, speaking from personal experience, tell a native that your German is better than theirs, and they'll haunt you and correct every single mistake you make till the rest of your life. Isn't that right @nova mango? ๐
nova mango
Only when it's you, Arrem. ๐
crude summit
No worries!
heady lotus
Theres too many inactive people here, there needs to be a wipe of the inactive, maybe people who havent posted in over a month
old bough
What's wrong with inactive people?
amber flame
I'm usually lurking and reading tbh.
tranquil pecan
Inactive people usually just lurk. We don't force anyone to be active
They might need a question answered every once in a while
hard siren
to be fair, you can only purge people without a role using discord, otherwise you might need a bot to do it
and even then, i'm not sure the bot can do it due to the discord API
it's quite limited
gritty geyser
Yeah, we won't do that
old bough
we don't need to systematically remove a portion of the servers demographic?
gritty geyser
We do not
As Lucas said, actually determining who's inactive or not is rather difficult in our case since almost everyone has a role. Besides, some just want to lurk and it'd be a pity if we were to kick them needlessly. We have more than enough space.
old bough
Sorry I agree I was in a bad mood and somehow thought what I said was funny
gritty geyser
It's fine ๐
plush sinew
not sure how purging would concern anyone other than those purged and/or staff though ๐ค
wanton heron
... Semi-lurker here. I tend to have random sprees of interaction then a few weeks of lurking again. Would I be purged? :p
tight hill
I think I can speak for all the other mods/admins that there won't be any purges in the near future XD
sand bramble
^
viral wyvern
Just a heads up, im a lurker. I may actually attempt to interact more a bit later so dont kick me :(
sand bramble
Heads up everyone, we won't be kicking anyone, so no worries. Even if you haven't said a single word on the server, you're welcome here. We like our lurkers. โค
Though of course if you want to talk to us, that would be pretty cool too. We don't bite.
limber walrus
create Native Austrian and Native Swiss roles ๐
gritty geyser
I think Native German is referred to the language rather than the nationality. An abbreviation of Native German Speaker, if you will.
that said, a distinction in roles could be helpful to understand some nuances. For example someone might think nutzen without an umlaut is a mistake because in their area nรผtzen is used
crude summit
For example someone might think nutzen without an umlaut is a mistake because in their area nรผtzen is used
Except this almost never happens. Iโve honestly had more northern German-speakers tell me something (used primarily in the South) was wrong/didnโt exist/etc., than Southerners telling me something (used primarily in the North) was wrong. Southerners tend to know both.
gritty geyser
you do see my point though, right? There are regional differences and obviously accents when it comes to spoken german, so knowing where someone is from could be helpful.
crude summit
Not denying your argument, only the basis thereof.
sand bramble
Can confirm that Native German is short for Native German speaker.
Also the Austrians are doing a pretty great job of letting people know that they're the masterrace Austrians.
brisk barn
๐ฆ๐น ๐ฆ๐น ๐ฆ๐น ๐ฆ๐น
empty vine
Masterrace? I don't think so. We just have the best words.
proven vector
Like, THE best
sand bramble
Ever.
glass birch
Has anyone suggested for people to write about their day/week (as if a journal entry) as writing practice prompt?
gritty geyser
Yes it's been suggested before. The problem is the average day for the average person isn't that exciting...
sand bramble
Yeah, we tried to spice it up a bit with things like "You're going to Germany lad, tell us how it was.", but writing just doesn't get enough love. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Also if you'd like to try something like that, you're always free to ignore our choices and pick a topic yourself. Or just write a any text any time you feel like it and have it corrected.
tawny cargo
I can help correcting. I'm a native German speaker
sand bramble
Say something smart in German. ๐
hollow cosmos
@gritty geyser just because an average day isn't exciting doesn't mean it shouldn't be written about. in fact, I would argue that writing about your day to day life is a great idea, since doing so targets vocabulary relevant to the most frequently used everyday words
sand bramble
It's settled then. I'm expecting a 500 word essay on how you ate pasta and furiously gestured at someone in traffic. @gritty geyser
gritty geyser
As if I was the kind of person to go out into the sun
sand bramble
K. 500 word essay on how you ate pasta and did nothing productive.
glass birch
Die Nudeln schmeckt... pastenartig.
fast bloom
What about a text channel for video game discussion?
gritty geyser
What about a text channel for memes?
gritty geyser
safe bridge
What about a channel for culture? Like culture based questions/articles
gritty geyser
it's not like we talk so much about it that we disrupt general, so I don't think we need a specific channel for that. That said, sometimes general gets a bit crowded so having some sort of general2 to fall back to would be useful. For example when all the n3rds were so intensely discussing programming it was hard to start a conversation about something else; having a second general channel would have helped
tardy quiver
I've wondered lots of times about creating a general2
The Japanese server used to have it, then it was deleted at some point
But I feel like spontaneously just making it about once every two weeks
fickle spade
There is a problem with a lot of communities of having to many channels, which kills the individual channels and general. Personally, i like more noice with more possibilities or better conversations
fast bloom
Suggestion: t!doggo should be a command
gritty geyser
You should ask the Tatsumaki bot developer then
fast bloom
How about a pet pics channel where I can shamelessly show pictures of my pups
crude summit
Pups? You could redirect all puppy-photos to my inbox. @sand bramble would like it too, I believe.
edgy atlas
Sign me up!
sand bramble
Yes. Can confirm what Annie said.
quiet basin
how extendable is tatsumaki?
sand bramble
My guess is not at all, since we're not the ones hosting it.
gritty geyser
is there a place where we could suggest texts that could be read during vorlesestunden or grammar lessons?
i noticed you guys don't generally have one ready until some short time before starting. Since we learners frequently come across interesting stuff there should be a place to dump it so that it could be used
fast bloom
Why not #resources @gritty geyser?
gritty geyser
those are resources for learning, i'm looking for somewhere to stock stuff specifically for the lessons that are held here
sand bramble
We don't have a specific place, but we have asked for suggestions in the past and will gladly accept them. This channel is nice and quiet so you can just post anything you come up with here and I'll make a fancy list and all.
gritty geyser
ok so, I've come across this article by the Zeit and I thought the topic was interesting. I'd say it's around B level, I haven't found anything particularly hard to understand in it. It's not very long so I thought it could be good for a lesson.
http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2017-02/frankreich-gesetz-globalisierung-menschenrechte-vorreiter-europa
edgy atlas
Max und Moritz. Muss ich mehr sagen?
sand bramble
Wรคre erwรผnscht.
edgy atlas
"Dieses war der erste Streich, und der Zweite folgt zugleich."
true sandal
@edgy atlas Mรผsste es nicht "Dieser"oder " oder "Und das war der erste Streich"
brisk barn
also "dieser" glaube ich nicht
aber das zweite ja (also, kann man verwenden, aber Cascas stimmt eigentlich)
gritty geyser
@true sandal nein
worthy hamlet
#german-only voice channel would be nice.
edgy atlas
I second that ^
worthy hamlet
I mean, every time too many non-Germans come on, boom, switch to English. How'm I supposed to learn to speak German well if I never get to! ๐
gritty geyser
Good idea
sand bramble
You can now speak in German all day erry day. ๐
edgy atlas
A dream come true
worthy hamlet
๐๐๐๐๐
gritty geyser
i thought that was what practice room was for, theoretically
if someone needs help with how to say something but he's not advanced enough to ask in german he'd be forced to use english
sand bramble
Well, there's no way for us to constantly monitor the channel and enforce that it remains 100% in German. A word or two in English won't hurt, if you're unsure how to ask.
edgy atlas
Seeing as this Discord is aimed at helping others learn German, perhaps Botty McBotface should also greet newcomers accordingly, instead of just in English. Just a thought ^^
gritty geyser
๐
brisk barn
Wรผrde sich es eigentlich einrichten lassen, dass man einen #off-topic channel erstellt? Ich finde, dass in letzer Zeit die Diskussionen in #general teilweise ein bisschen "ausarten" und nichts mehr mit Deutsch zu tun haben.
sand bramble
Na klar, aber ich wรผrde lieber dagegen kรคmpfen. ๐
gritty geyser
warum? Man kommt hier fรผr Deutsch, aber viele bleiben hier auch fรผr die Leute. Man kann nicht gut miteinender interagieren wenn die Themen nur zu Sprachenlernen und Memes begrentzt sind
sand bramble
Die feuchte Maymays xdxdxdxdxx werden wir lieber los. Bzw. die Shitposts, die bestimmte Mitglieder so mรถgen. Mache Diskussionen, die man in #general sehen kann sind einfach... Also ich kann es รผberhaupt nicht fassen, wie jemand, der รคlter als 10 ist, solche Gesprรคche fรผhren kann. Scherzen ist zwar okay, aber sollen wir wirklich stรคnding die anderen beleidigen und halt an dummen Gesprรคchen teilnehmen, um Spaร miteinander zu haben?
brisk barn
Ich sage ja nicht, dass ich verbieten will รผber andere Sachen, die nichts mit Sprachen zu tun haben, zu reden. Aber man kรถnnte es ja in einen anderen Channel verschieben. Stรถrt ja nicht, oder?
sand bramble
Man muss sich wirklich fragen ob wir einen ganzen Kanal fรผr so was wollen: http://i.imgur.com/Sh22aww.png
Und nur um sicher zu sein, dass wir uns verstanden haben, keiner hat was dagegen, wenn wir auch รผber andere Dinge reden, sonst wรคre ja #general ganz leer, aber wenn die 'Diskussion' rein unertrรคglich ist, dann sollten die Teilnehmer wirklich ein bisschen darรผber nachdenken, ob das, was sie tun zu ihrem Alter passt.
tight hill
Um ehrlich zu sein... statt einen eigenen Kanal fรผr so nen Quatsch zu machen, sollten wir einfach #general etwas "aufgerรคumter" lassen
#voice-chat ist schon fast ein shitchannel... leider
und ^
gritty geyser
a #politics channel?
From #282831147942281216:
โ Talks about politics are to be refrained from.
crude summit
You should probably read #282831147942281216 then. Pop quiz in fifteen minutes.
gritty geyser
wir brauchen mehr Moderatoren die nachts aktiv sein kรถnnen
pine reef
stimmt
empty vine
@gritty geyser Du zum Beispiel! ๐
gritty geyser
ich konnte das tun, aber wahrscheinlich wurde @gloomy lance das besser als ich
pine reef
ihr geht zu frรผh ins Bett
der Moses geht oft um sechs Uhr ins Bett
*acht, aber auch manchmal frรผher
gritty geyser
ich gehe zu frรผh ins Bett?
gritty geyser
vielleicht ein paar Mal diese Woche, da ich krank war
aber normalerweise gehe ich sehr spรคt ins Bett
pine reef
ja, und niemand anders aus Europa ist hier bis fast 8
gritty geyser
Menschen brauchen Schlaf :p
pine reef
ja natรผrlich
gritty geyser
was ist Schlaf
pine reef
weiss nicht
gritty geyser
I would like to ask if something like a political channel would be possible on this server
edgy atlas
From #282831147942281216
Talks about politics are to be refrained from.
gritty geyser
@edgy atlas Which is why iam asking for a channel about this stuff
We won't allow talks about politcs because of how easily it is to get riled up when discussing them
thorny mason
I'd like to suggest a 1 on 1 tandem exchange program sort of thing; where a low level learner is paired up wtih either a native german or a high level learner for say an hour to practice with.
gritty geyser
What exactly did you have in mind?
thorny mason
Or perhaps a buddy system
Well, sometimes talking in a big group like the main channel, might not be that helpful for some people. So perhaps a 1 to 1 session, where a low level can talk to a native/ high level speaker for practice. Say (whoever opts in ) gets randomly paired up with someone and they talk for about an hour about anything, as long as it's in German
on set days
gritty geyser
Sounds interesting, thanks for the suggestion :)
thorny mason
Kein problem ๐
plush sinew
imo we dont need a buddy system, though we could have vc rooms with a limit, say 2 or 3 so people can have more personal sessions without interruptions etc. and maybe #matchup or smth for people to find one another
thorny mason
Match up would be good
gritty geyser
yeah we don't necessarily need a standardised "system" for it but it would be good to have something to make the activity accessible, such as a role (that you can apply to yourself through the bot) that can identify you as "available" so that people interested in that can feel free to contact you
tranquil pecan
@thorny mason all can be done for the right money Kappa :3
For real though, we'll look into that, or at least some variation of it.
gritty geyser
@thorny mason i have my own buddy
lil
but buddy system has been good , especially when my buddy and i are doing a language exchange , and timezone and schedule are being a bitch to me
@gritty geyser i think thats a better idea than creating a system
thorny mason
I think a system where you could opt in and out of that paired people up randomly would be more beneficial however. So everyone who wanted a buddy would get one, and to prevent say imbalances with the natives and/or high levels speakers. Idk how the admins would like to go about handling it though; if they were to implement the idea of course
copper fiber
This isn't for the channel so much as the forum on reddit
But we should let people submit book reviews.
So someone uses a book for some time, they write a review, specify their background and their level in German (or their progression over time) and then you guys can save it in a file so that future people can access it when considering that book.
sand bramble
I'd suggest making a thread on the subreddit and seeing if there's interest. Because speaking from experience, as long as there's work involved, a large number of people unfortunately just goes "eugh, no thanks, I'm out".
copper fiber
I may think of something particularly sleek in the next couple weeks. Either way I'll post something on the forum about this in a way that hopefully will make implementation easy.
edgy atlas
I like the idea of a "buddy system" type thing. I'd offer to take part if it became a reality.
thorny mason
Yey more buddies xD
old bough
bzgl Jacobs suggestion, a book club type thing could be cool. Have a monthly (or some other interval) book and people read it then write what they think about it
uneven minnow
Im new to learning the language, so I think a buddy system would be one I would take advantage of!
old bough
How about the ability to tag ourselves with our native language and/or country of origin or country we're living in?
gritty geyser
Unnecessary, you can already take notes on individual users if you click on their names
As for the book club thing, I'd prefer a reading circle where we read and translate the book taking turns, much like we do during lessons
old bough
I meant for /r/german
I think the reading circle we have is good
the vorlesestunde
although I always miss it
gritty geyser
That's not held very often though
old bough
oh. I assumed I'd just still been sleeping through it
pallid agate
I think tagging yourself with your native lanuage would be neat. That way I wouldn't have to specifically ask everyone and take notes.
sand bramble
We considered that in the past and yeah, as Brzrkrkrkr said, we'd have a bunch of roles. Also the native German tag had been abused before which is why we had to lock it. I can only imagine the chaos of having 200 of them haha.
gritty geyser
We need more channels. Please create a #random channel or something for the memers. General is super high volume and convoluted and the most obvious place for newcomers to start, but also a great place to lose them really fast.
sand bramble
#general is a real memehole. The thing we're afraid of when creating a new channel is that either #general or that one (depending on how we name it) would effectively be #loool-stale-memes-ahoy-post-all-your-dumbest-memes-in-here, and I'm honestly not sure if there's a sensible way to get around that. :< Proposals?
gritty geyser
just general and general2 so that two "heated" conversations can be held at once
no meme-bias
sand bramble
We should really do something to bring more members in though. People constantly babbling about races and memes isn't what people want to see.
I'm thinking a lesson type thing where we'd all come and discuss stuff in German. Stuff not being politics, but uh, you know, stuff that we can have a nice and civil discussion about. Or something to bring people together and motivate more people to participate. Which would water down the amount of stale memes we've been getting.
fathom fulcrum
Why don't you have like, a politics channel or something? Or does that cause more problems than it solves?
gloomy lance
it would probably just be an excuse for many people to write problematic stuff
fathom fulcrum
I understand. Well, it must be hard to manage a discord with this many people either way.
sand bramble
^^ We hypothesize that it would, although it's never been tested in practice. As far as the rules are concerned, bits of talk about politics are okay as long as they don't start heated of toxic discussions. Which is rather hard to enforce.
crude summit
And to be fair, everything is politics. Defining that to be able separate the channels is also a difficult line to draw.
gloomy lance
What about a channel where we discuss articles from nachrichtenleicht etc.?
They are usually in A-level language and that would still leave room enough for discussions
sand bramble
We could try to do that in #german-only, since it's already calmer than I'd like it to be.
gloomy lance
oh right :D
gritty geyser
i'd like there to be more lessons in general. If regular vorlesestunden and grammar lessons are too time-consuming to prepare, why not fill the empty days with reading and discussion on the news and such?
with varying levels too, perhaps, so that advanced users can have somethign for themselves as well
crude summit
Someone has to volunteer and/or somehow take the initiative for that though.
gloomy lance
that was my thought as well. The news discussion could be held nearly every day - the article can be postet at noon CET and the discussion can be held in the evening, for example.
gritty geyser
i'm afraid i'm not confident enough of my abilities to volunteer
but you guys could ping C levels and natives to see if anyone wants to :)
btw I would like voicechat reading and discussion too, not just written. I need excuses to practise my speaking and i'm sure i'm not the only one
gloomy lance
i mean, there is a Practice Room, but it is not really used for anything atm
sand bramble
Someone has to volunteer and/or somehow take the initiative for that though.
This. This is the ain problem.
i'm afraid i'm not confident enough of my abilities to volunteer
Ur k Berzi. Plus, all you need to do is get a discussion going and a native or a C speaker would join. Maybe. ๐
gloomy lance
just make sure they are not easily offended or offensive ^^
sand bramble
Session holders have mute perms, as long as they don't abuse them and mute poor innocent members without a reason all the time like Gurkschnbidduh. ๐
gritty geyser
or like arrim
fathom fulcrum
I will try to join in everything so please do everything. Thank you. ๐
gritty geyser
guys i seriously can't hold sessions myself at least for now. There must be someone more proficient than me who can do it
like nemo <3
who seems like the kind of person who would never step up himself unless someone else asks him, so i'll ask him
crude summit
Oh hi Nemo, would you please be a dear and bully us sometime?
sand bramble
Nemo is a lovely memer. โค
gritty geyser
@gloomy lance don't pretend you can't read
gloomy lance
sorry, i was putting a pizza in the oven (no joke)
gloomy lance
i am considering doing it but i don't feel confident doing it alone - i would like a C-level (or upper B-level like Brzrkr ๐ ) to be there as well because as a native i am not confident in all the structures and phrases to explain everything
oh and @crude summit feel bullied
gritty geyser
i can be your sidekick <3
i'd also love to see how Anya would host such a lesson but she seems always too busy :<
crude summit
Wut. I can barely speak a word.
gloomy lance
in German or in general? ๐
crude summit
Not really. Thereโs no requirement. @sand bramble HALP
sand bramble
No, no, there's a requirement. You have to be at least B for moderator. โค
Unless you're American.
I guess.
I added an exception for Yep. ๐
Though I can't tell you how true that "nonsense, you're [Moderator] you must be fluent" thing is. I've had PMs like "pls correct my thing" and I'm like waaat, there are like 40 natives online.
gritty geyser
i can confirm that you do give out the impression of being competent if you're an admin or mod
that said, you do have the B role :p
anya on the other hand has no other role than mod, so one would normally assume that she knows her german
sand bramble
Take the average. Which is B1. Trust me, I'm a mathememetician.
gritty geyser
yeah i'd say b for that
i mean, my speaking is awful and my listening is meh
i still consider myself b level even though i don't know whether 1 or 2
fathom fulcrum
You just need to learn to speak fluent German in the time it takes to set up a lesson. Seems doable.
gritty geyser
seems feasible ๐
sonic surge
as long as
i can uh
do stuff on weekends when things are not happening
or whenever (gotta get schoolwork done)
I can totally do grammar based things
reading and comprehension not so confident on
but I can still try
old bough
I can do lessons explaining how to say "snake"
but I can't talk
and all explanations are done using emojis
fathom fulcrum
That's a different language.
old bough
oops #other-languages
sand bramble
Suggestion accepted.
sand bramble
11/10
gritty geyser
viva la reรolution
woeful jackal
:ss: maybe ๐
sonic surge
:ร:
gritty geyser
:แบ: for maximum elitism
worthy hamlet
แบiแบa la แบevolution
sonic surge
can i get bayonetta's face as an emoji
i'll draw it and everyt hing
not draw it but like
isolate it
gritty geyser
the question for this kind of thing is always the same: why the fuck?
gritty geyser
so you can put it to the left of c==8 ?
sonic surge
no
ew
bayo is lord
why would i ever defile her
you are
disgusting
if possible btw make the type code thing :bayo:
thank you
fallen mist
pine reef
i'd support a nemo lesson
of course with someone else as support
if he'd like that
but i think he'd be an excellent teacher in several regards
gritty geyser
Hey, this isn't really a suggestion but rather a question about this server. I am wondering how you do it, that everyone who joins, instantly gets the role "Learning German". I mean, apparently it's a bot but I wonder which Bot does it and if its a private developed bot or a public one :3
My bot does it
It checks for join events, finds Learning German and assigns it
Written in python3.6
So it's a private bot, right? Or is it for the publicity as well? ๐
It's private, yes
I can PM you the event code, if you want
Thanks, but I'm fine. I am unfortunately not capable of programming and this is why I rather use bots than make some x3 (Don't blame me pls) :D
sand bramble
blames
fading mesa
In the list of people, shouldn't they be ordered by level, so it doesn't look so messy
gritty geyser
Level A/B/C and Learning German are all unhoisted
fading mesa
Hoisted?
gritty geyser
they're not lifted roles
fading mesa
Couldn't you just make them hoisted?
gritty geyser
Why though
gritty geyser
How would you as a learner benefit
fading mesa
:p I wouldn't, but it wouldn't hurt
sand bramble
Back when we created the roles, we didn't want to group them because we felt people may feel bad for being excluded from higher level groups haha.
Plus a majority (yourself included) doesn't ever bother assigning themselves a role. ๐
fathom fulcrum
Well you should program a bot that checks your level automatically.
That would make life easier.
sand bramble
Dice rolls.
fathom fulcrum
๐
gritty geyser
ahh
fathom fulcrum
That's for you mods to figure out.
gritty geyser
if x_good_and_cool_words_used:
good_memer_assured()
```Then we'd get double the amount of "wtf I'm a native why do I have learning German and Level A roles and no I didn't bother reading #282831147942281216" haha.
twilit crown
If such a thing existed, language tests would be pretty pointless.
gritty geyser
yup
fathom fulcrum
Maybe that's what you can add, a compulsory language test upon joining the server.
sand bramble
And you're kicked if you score lower than 90%. ๐
fathom fulcrum
There's a lot of things that aren't needed.
gritty geyser
it would be an interesting experiment though, trying to build an algorythm that guesses your level of proficiency as accurately as possible
sand bramble
I wonder if you could train a neural network with enough of model exam reading parts and have it guess how bad memers are. Though those aren't really easy to come across.
twilit crown
That experiment would be as long as the experiment to create proper translation software.
sand bramble
Ich werde Sie wissen, dass Google รbersetzer ist perfekt m8
gritty geyser
pff, if you use model exams you are bound to fail
sand bramble
Because those don't seem to let you pass A2 with 2 weeks of learning? ๐
gritty geyser
because they're a terrible means of evaluation for many things including language
also fkuc u <.<
sand bramble
I'll never get tired of memeing about that. โค
Plus I'd argue that a test carried out by a respectable institution is way more reliable than just sticking a C2 sticker on your forehead because you feel that way. Some people tend to do that and it's painful.
gritty geyser
i don't think it's that outlandish /shrug vocabulary is the only thing that necessarily requires a lot of time
of course tests are relatively better than other things, but they're absolutely not a good way to evaluate proficiency for language, even if they're probably the current best way
and they're not even the best way, they're just the only one that allows standardised result frames. They're used because they're convenient, not because they're accurate
and i'd be ok with all that if they didn't ask people a load of money to take them
sand bramble
Well tests are gonna be the only dependable way till we figure out how to get into people's heads and just check what they know. Boy would that save me from shittons of stress.
gritty geyser
word
fading mesa
I don't think people would feel excluded more than by the colors and it would be interesting to see how many there are of each kind
And it would look much more professional
I'm unassigned because I don't know if I'm A or B :/
vocal grove
There are tests online that can help you with that, I'd recommend Deutsche Welle
fading mesa
How do they work?
vocal grove
(free), and it's not 100% accurate, but it will give you a general idea
it's a set of questions, and based on your performance you will be given an estimated level.
fading mesa
Well I'm pretty sure I'm B at reading
vocal grove
It doesn't really work like that, the classification takes everything into account, but most people (myself included) far better are reading/writing than speaking, it's difficult to practice speaking :/
We're getting a little #general now though :)
vocal grove
An idea: role-play where people have roles for a scene (eg: Vater, Mutter, Busfahrer), and improvise, whilst we speak/write in german, what do thinks you? eg: "#roleplay"
sand bramble
I swear we talked about this once.
Except in voice chat, not a text channel haha.
Though we never got around organising it. ๐
vocal grove
We did breifly, but I thought about it a little more, and we spoke about it #general I believe.
Oh you mean you had also thought of it before? I remember it was mentioned in #general a few days ago
sand bramble
Yeah, we talked about it back when we started the writing lessons.
Bur yeah, something like that would definitely be interesting if people wanted to participate.
umbral inlet
i would
edgy atlas
Likewise
umbral inlet
grammar naziing intensifies
edgy atlas
Plus, it would be a decent impromptu replacement for whatever lesson can't take place that day.
Such as Vorlesestunde
karmic crest
Suggestion: One thing that works pretty well on the Swedish Discord server is to have a channel where all spotted mistakes are immediately corrected. Correcting all mistakes can get annoying and nitty, and people often avoid doing it, but in such a channel people expect and want it.
#obsessive-correction or #correct-my-german or the like
fathom fulcrum
Related to the suggestion from @karmic crest - a self-assigned role to indicate a person's preference regarding being corrected.
vocal grove
@edgy atlas @umbral inlet Well if we do it Voice Chat, then we could write down a few useful sentences on the board for help (z.B. "Nutzliche Sรคtze fรผr einen Busfahrer: x, y, z"), that's how we did it back in my old german classes, it worked relatively well
gritty geyser
@fathom fulcrum that was suggested before but it wouldn't necessarily be a good thing. For example it could lead to mistakenly believe that those who don't have the role don't want to be corrected. A channel for that would serve the purpose better imo
fathom fulcrum
Okay, I see.
sand bramble
The channel has to be carefully named. If it's #bully-me, I'll just end up banning everyone in it. โค
gritty geyser
#merciless-german 
sonic surge
o h
dusk bear
Suggestion: Rename #general-2 into # colonel
sonic surge
nothanks
fallen mist
No, get off my lawn
old bough
#kochen
tough magnet
Kochen klingt gut!
gritty geyser
Braucht man aber ein einzigen Kanal dafรผr?
Ich denke mal, dass das nicht ernst gemeint war
gritty geyser
kochen
tulip crest
could we get an irish channel? lol
gritty geyser
Nah
edgy atlas
That's what #other-languages is for.
tulip crest
lol okay ty ^^
bleak summit
a music channel!
edgy atlas
There is one: #archived-media | @bleak summit
dusk bear
A pride emote pretty please
gloomy lance
what pride?
sand bramble
:gay_pride_flag : ? ๐ค
gloomy lance
I don't have that rainbow in my name for no reason
gloomy lance
dusk bear
Maybe Kรถlner Dom in rainbow colors
gloomy lance
okay, i am totally up for that
gloomy lance
Have you guys talked about a "correct me" tag before? Or do you think it is unnecessary?
lethal root
^ think that would be nice
gritty geyser
We talked about it before and deemed it unnecessary. We believe that correcting mistakes made by learners is a natural thing to do, hence the disapproval for a Correct me tag.
gloomy lance
alrighty ๐
ruby topaz
Any suggestions how not to screw up my life? 
sand bramble
Yes. Come to Vienna.
dusk bear
Stop being lazy
Gradually skip the short time good parts of life and start to think over the big picture 
ruby topaz
bro
i still do have 1 yrs of my eduction left ,i cant move out of germany
maybe i can think about it in future
๐
ruby topaz
can someone create a noobie channel so only A0 ppl can talk effectively? ๐ค
because in general section ppl are talking fluently half of it i cant even understand ,after struggling and understanding it then we are having 500+ msg to read
gritty geyser
we have #general-2 for that
ruby topaz
i didnt know that was for a0 ppl cause there was natives speaking ,anyways i try to communicate in general 2 channel form now on ๐
tnx
gritty geyser
No uh, I meant that you can always go to #general-2 if you dont understand anything in #general
ruby topaz
ahh okk
sand bramble
Sidenote, there's no such thing as A0. ๐
ruby topaz
cedar void
Lol
We should have a channel for total beginners though, I agree @sand bramble
Or brainstorm some more ways to accommodate extreme beginners
cedar void
(Or should I say, "extrememe beginners!)
twilit crown
You shouldn't
sand bramble
How are you gonna learn if you're only exposed to other beginners? ๐
twilit crown
You aren't.
deutsch-only channel with easy topics or easier sentences: beginner-deutsch-only
twilit crown
But then, you could have these also in deutsch-only
cedar void
Just like @ruby topaz said, when you join and you're a beginner, and people are writing full compound sentences in german, it's very hard to follow. Plus, even people like me that are at A1-2 levels can help with basic stuff
Or maybe not even german only, just like... idk
Something lol
Actually no, thats a good idea
Yeah. german-only, but beginner-level german.
fathom fulcrum
There are 3 channels that you can have conversations in though. It's not very often that every channel is exclusively being used in fluent German. Why not just pick whichever is not being used at the time and offer an "easy" topic there?
cedar void
Because a lot of people dont want to interrupt
People are shy...
Idk
No, but general and general2 are usually in english, with a few phrases of german here and there, but deutsch-only is, well, deutsch only. So if a beginner wants to just listen to (read) a conversation in german, which is very helpful, they would be lost in deutsch-only, because the level is too high.
Its not an absolute necessity, but it would certainly be helpful
Imho ๐
fathom fulcrum
And how would you stop the level from getting too high in the new channel?
cedar void
Idk
Lol
Strict discipline
๐
I think it would regulate itself, if it's a rule in #282831147942281216 and everything
sand bramble
You have to make at least 3 mistakes per message or you're banned? ๐
fathom fulcrum
@sand bramble I like it.
Or, even better: you're banned from every channel except #german-only
ruby topaz
Correct? ๐ค
edgy atlas
Such a thing would be difficult to implement / moderate.
cedar void
True
ruby topaz
BTW ist meine satz Korrekt? (dieses und frรผher?)
gritty geyser
Der Satz, also 'mein Satz'
cedar void
We should have a #movies channel
Or change #archived-media to #media or #archived-media-and-movies or something
gritty geyser
We're going to change #archived-media to #media in the future.
sonic surge
is there someone who specifically is supposed to do so?
gritty geyser
Nah, we just have to come to an agreement within the mod team
fathom fulcrum
It might be for the best to keep "music" in the name because new people are going to be like "where can I post this song? Oh there's no music channel, just this weird media one that I can't be bothered to see what it's for!"
sonic surge
well screw us for letting people think with ingenuity
fathom fulcrum
True.
gritty geyser
That shouldn't be a problem. I'll update #282831147942281216 and we'll make an announcement
sand bramble
Implying 90% of the people bother reading info. ๐
high dock
Renaming #archived-media to #archived-media sounds about right..
high dock
#archived-media sounds like it's subset of #resources. While #music did not really sound like that. Without reading the rules, #music implied to me that just any discussion about music was possible there, while #archived-media implies (for me not reading rules) that it is the channel for audiovisual german learning resources.
gritty geyser
Did you have a different name in mind? We're still open to suggestions regarding the actual name
edgy atlas
#entertainment might clear up any doubt.
high dock
#entertainment sounds better to me indeed.
high dock
#archived-media-sharing? #videos (as all music on the channel contains video anyway)
edgy atlas
#interests
fathom fulcrum
#noonesgoingtowatchitanywaysodontbother
high dock
Yes, I don't actually understand what's happening in the channel. Seems like people post videos they like, but probably noone else actually plays them.
fallen mist
New Emoticon
sand bramble
Accepted. โค
old bough
German movie nights, we all watch a movie on rabbit or something and can comment and stuff
sand bramble
Sorry, no. I'm sure PETA would complain if we stuck TV screens into rabbits and watched movies on them.
old bough
oh
sand bramble
In all seriousness though, if there's interest that could be pretty fun. ๐
old bough
I think there would be sufficient interest, especially if it were scheduled
and I feel like it would maybe be even easier to host than reading circles/grammar discussions
or maybe not
I don't really know what the logistics of either are like
modest flicker
I think we should do it too
thorny mason
I think I have a good idea. Could we get a gaming channel or something to do with playing video games while communicating in German? Like, playing Overwatch/CS:GO/TF2 or other team games that require communication. Get some German teams going
pulsar oriole
@thorny mason I think this a great idea I would definitely participate.
fading mesa
hey I have a great idea that I just thought up, there should be some kind of channel you can use if you don't like the topic in #general and want to talk about something else
gritty geyser
nice meme
fading mesa
thanks you 2
gritty geyser
We normally use #general-2 for that, as the channel description states
fading mesa
yeah but there seems to be some problem there right now
twilit crown
No, this is war.
minor stag
Movie Night or at least recommendations? And maybe German Hour or Minute where people only speak in German? Maybe ?
peak holly
There's a nur deutsch channel
sand bramble
@thorny mason Did you have a text orr voice channel in mind for that?
gritty geyser
@old bough had the idea to make a #kochen channel and i'd totally second it, so i'm submitting here so it might get seen ๐
gloomy lance
๐ณ = second
thorny mason
@sand bramble Both. A voice channel and a text channel where people can just ask 'Hey, wanna play [insert game here]?'. And the point of the channel would be so that people could communicate in German, in a gaming setting
Or perhaps say a gaming night, where everyone plays a video game together or something
edgy atlas
Have a look at #announcements . ^^
thorny mason
Only just noticed it sorry๐
edgy atlas
@thorny mason It's been added! Now there is a voice and text channel for gaming. Use >getrole Gaming if you want to gain access!
peak holly
Some info on how the gaming channel works should probably be added to #282831147942281216. Also I feel the whole info post could be condensed. New users can easily be overwhelmed by so much stuff. For example saying where to find the channel description would be better than explaining what each channel is for both in the description and in info.
gritty geyser
www.goethe.de/deutschaufyoutube - eine gute Idee fรผr alle die Interesse daran haben und รผber 18 sind ๐
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser That should go in #resources because #suggestions is for suggestions related to the running of this specific server.
sand bramble
OMG @knotty thistle ^^^this is perfect for you. You could finally become a successful youtuber like Trixi and then you'll no longer want to kill yourself.
peak holly
opal helm
Hello. Just thinking how to order better the channel. I got the idea.
Of doing Lvls of chanels. For example.
C1/C2
B2
B1
A2
A1
The Channels are restricted to your lvl.
But higher lvls can access to lower lvls to help.
Why? Easy.
This would make that if you're a C lvl you'll be able to comunicated yourself with others C1 without doing lower lvl learners feeling lost.
Taking it as a rule. Just think about it.
Because I've been a couple of days and everyone is mostly speaking in english. What isn't really recommended for people interested in learning a language. Even the discussion leads to, the idea is to try to use german to practise it and improve it.
sand bramble
Yeah, we've been struggling with that for a while. There have been some "hey let's get everyone to speak German" movements, but none of them ever worked for more than a few days. Problem is, level A speakers don't feel like they're ready for that and lack the vocabulary to participate in more complex conversations, and generally, people are lazy and if English is faster they're gonna use English.
fathom fulcrum
Speaking German may be important, but keeping conversation flowing regardless of language is probably more important.
Having rooms seperated up by level may cause some people to be selfconscious about which room they talk in as well.
old bough
If you do make rank-segregated channels, can you make them read-only for people below that rank, rather than invisible? Edit: Also, I think splitting up the A/B/Cs in two each the way the levels are might be too narrowed down, I think A/B/C might be better, at least as a trial, than A1/A2/B1/B2/C1/C2. Edit again: just my opinion at 1:43 in the morning and I can barely stay awake so this might be rubbish anyway
opal helm
Reading is also a good one, but not writing on it.
Just to read and learn a little bit.
Because sometimes it'll happen they wanna want to participate.
And they 'll say it on english because of the lack ofc
fathom fulcrum
They should not be at all technically restricted.
People should be able to access and write in all of the channels regardless of level.
For one thing, if you were to limit, for example, A level learners to an A level only chat, they would not get half the chance to improve to B level because they would only be discussing with other A level learners and not forcing themselves to talk to B and C level as they do now.
opal helm
If they try to get on the B lvl they'll get frustrated.
Or they'll the other B - Leaners also frustrated.
And even.
If they get in a C channel.
They will just be able to follow the conversation.
old bough
is there actually a need for divided channels though?
opal helm
It could be a great idea
fathom fulcrum
People won't improve if you try to restrict them from speaking with people who are high level. Giving people the ability to jump into a conversation with fluent speakers is really valuable to their learning.
The current set up of general/german-only works perfectly for what you're describing.
In fact, there are 2 general chat rooms for that purpose.
Sorry if that sent more than once, my internet is having some trouble.
opal helm
Both channels use more english than german.
You're actually just improving your english (?
fathom fulcrum
Before making the suggestion to restrict how other people can communicate, I would recommend trying to start conversations in German yourself. Give people something to talk about in German, ask people to speak in German with you, talk only in Deutsch Only... Then people will talk to you in German. If that genuinely doesn't work, maybe then consider alternative options.
peak holly
So many people type the role commands with no regards to uppercase letters. Why not make aliases for the command to accept the lowercase variants as well?
edgy atlas
Adding:
name_of_parameter.lower()```
Would fix the issue.I vote to replace arrem with casca
gritty geyser
@edgy atlas it wouldn't
edgy atlas
How so? If you change the name of the role to be lowercase, would that not work?
peak holly
get the function to just parse and look for an A, B or C and let the bot do the rest
gritty geyser
Nah
peak holly
that way the user could also omit the "level" part and all case combinations would be accepted ๐ค
peak holly
parse to find those exact strings after converting the case to lower, then let the bot select the case with the only accepted capitalisation
peak holly
ok geez ๐ฐ
gritty geyser
S'fine
sacred kayak
I think a specific channel for sharing discoveries would help a lot in rehearsing too, but I guess I'll start using writing or learning
sand bramble
Yeah, I just feel that it would be rather empty. #questions, one of the #generals or even #german-only are your best choice. ๐
peak holly
i think we have enough channels in terms of numbers
sand bramble
vong numberkeit her
fathom fulcrum
Maybe a better idea would be something like... if you want to open an editable word doc and let people edit their discoveries into it, as a big list of ideas that can also be discussed? Or something similar. Then one of the mods can possibly pin it for you, maybe in #questions ?
In google docs I mean.
gritty geyser
That would be a pain to moderate
fathom fulcrum
Hmm, fair enough.
cedar void
Can we create a text channel that we lure arrem into with a meme and then lock from the outside?
sand bramble
Sounds good to me.
cedar void
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