avatar-dynamics

[clever echo]

Yes. Enter play mode and go to the Game tab. Then click and drag

[lone geyser]

doesnt seem to work

[simple elk]

Got any radius

[cedar maple]

It doesn't look like you're in play mode to me there

Your avatar needs to be in that bicycle pose

[lone geyser]

yes i got radius

[cedar maple]

Your fx controller needs to be on your avatar like you were editing an animation

[grave hinge]

Hey is there a way to use the generated physbone colliders to interact with things like long hair? I can't seem to select the collider in the list and in playmode it falls right through the body.

[simple elk]

no

you must provide your own

[grave hinge]

so what is the body collider actually for?

[simple elk]

others can interact with those

image a bat, smack someones head/torso ect

[grave hinge]

ah okay. Seems a bit strange that you dont have access to it internally

if its being generated.

[simple elk]

would be handy, but they dont count as colliders

[lone geyser]

the generated finger colliders are ingame only, afaik, but it can still interact with things with dynamics, like hair

[grave hinge]

yea exactly for that reason.

[clever echo]

I'm not at the moment but when I am it doesn't work. I am lost honestly

[simple elk]

you can self interact with them, just not physbones

[grave hinge]

unfortunate

[pastel token]

i think it could be possible. Maybe treat it like a springjoint instead of using phybone stuff would fix it?

[lone geyser]

figured it out, ty

[cedar maple]

Heck idk sorry, have you looked at Sippbox's tutorial?

[clever echo]

I forgot to put the controller on (facepalm emoji)

[quasi cliff]

anyone know where i can get a good video tutorial of setting up contacts that isnt from the beta and is now outdated

[knotty oracle]

Quick question:

I did make an Ass Slap Reciever with "on enter" but everytime i test it.. i dosnt seem to regonize the "slap" a few times it did work.. but most of the time i dosnt regonize when i hit it... any sugesstions? Im using an "Empy object with "VRC Sender" to test it...

[simple elk]

Try proximty, on enter requires a certain speed , and transition time 0.2/0.25 , lower dont seem to synch right

[red carbon]

no luck ?

[torn tendon]

How do I make it so you can activate an animation not by grabbing, but instead using open hand gesture?

Like putting an item back to its original position for example

[idle scroll]

I'm looking at making a youtube tutorial in the future going over the different angle limit settings on physbones and wanted to ask if you would mind if I potentially used this in the video to help give people a good visualization of things as I go over them.

[lament lintel]

Physbones work just fine in Unity but aren’t working on VRC?

[royal swift]

Is there anyway to make a bone go back in on itself

Say if I wanted to make a snoot boopable

[ancient carbon]

there's a way to grab other players objects right? i'm trying to see if i can add to my model where a player can take my glasses but i can't seem to find any tutorials for it

my glasses are set to an individual bone so they can be removed, just don't know how lol

[lament lintel]

For one maybe if it had a collider?

[ancient carbon]

i did that, it just spun when i grabbed it didn't leave the face

i also adjusted the stretch to see if that would do it, i don't know if it's a send receive type thing

[vernal plover]

anyone have problem after the new update when u move ur head in game ur hands move to ?

[mellow hawk]

Im okay with it that, it was a redraw of @opaque wasp sketch. So just pinging them for their ok. :)

If it works out, feel free to ping me, would love to watch that 💚

[idle scroll]

Awesome! I'll wait for @opaque wasp response to make sure they're alright with it too.

[idle scroll]

And absolutely. I typically toss a post for new tutorials I put up in this channel in case people are interested!

[opaque wasp]

Go ahead the more people know it, the better

[mellow hawk]

I could make an svg version if you need a higher rez.

[fleet narwhal]

hey guys just a question if you dont mind , on vrc avatar dynamic " receiver " the " local only " option does it make it so its client based instead of server based ? and if so does it work for everyone or only me

[fluid agate]

This might be a really dumb question but i followed a tutorial on touch triggers by MOON and I know how to set up and turn it on… but i don’t quite know how to turn it off

[dawn sonnet]

@torn tendon

[torn tendon]

aaa i was summoned

I'm too high for this rn

[dawn sonnet]

The summoner has entered the facility.

[fluid agate]

So, is there any way I can disable it*

[blazing flint]

Not yet

[snow marlin]

Anyone figured out how to make a bow using dynamics? I'm brainstorming an extremely shitty bow using a couple inside colliders and some animations

[stray shard]

#avatar-showcase message

[ornate frigate]

Can I ask about physe bone stuff here?

[fervent valve]

whats the difference 😭

[halcyon bronze]

I haven't touched physbone but from what I read there are senders and receiver colliders that link avatars right?

[fervent valve]

oh

i think

[snow marlin]

Oh thats sick

Wonder if they'll drop a tutorial somewhere 😄

[ornate frigate]

Idk

[snow marlin]

Yup

[ornate frigate]

But I can’t figure out how to get the physbones to be nice and flowy

It’s right now just kinda stiff bouncy and boring

[mystic plank]

Ok, so I've been reading the history of the channel trying to find how to properly make "OnEnter" work but I have no luck.
I understand it would be a boolean thing, I even used the debug menu in game to see that it does trigger but nothing happen, I also checked the debug menu on the avatar with the phone in the demo world. I tried to replicate what I assume it would be doing but no luck so far. Anyone know how to properly use it ?

I'm at a lost here.

[red carbon]

i found the twitter of VRCRed where i saw that it was posible hopefully more people help to get the info out, i send a message to vrcred dirrectly hopefully i get a response
https://twitter.com/VRCRedd/status/1501689546907561985

VRCRed (@VRCRedd)

#VRChat #AvatarDynamics Found a way to raycast other players. You simply point at them with your hand and the cube will get placed next to them. You can then confirm your selection with a fist gesture and the cube will stick to the selected Player and track them.

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[idle scroll]

Thank ya!

[blazing flint]

Yo that will be so much fun if we can figure out how exactly this was being done

[upper raven]

that uses raycasting

[ornate frigate]

Nvm I figured it out

[onyx vapor]

I've come across an issue where a few phys bones will get stuck in weird position but only for my mirror clone. I can still interact with it as usual, but in the mirror it looks like it is stuck with an offset. It seems to happen after I make a dramatic movement possibly pushing it outside of its "inside" collided.

Is this a known issue/is there a way to avoid the issue?

[red carbon]

i know that exist with code but how is it implemented in an avatar?

[wary dew]

When i grab my bones and pull them straight forward and pose them they keep re posing themselves and point straight out at my sides. what is causing this?

[jolly crypt]

has anyone found out how to make a toggle that saves states between worlds and properly syncs using contacts?

[jolly crane]

drive a synced parameter with a Parameter driver using the local parameter in the animator

[jolly crypt]

yeah im running through it in my head rn

[jolly crane]

might also want to add an IsLocal check to the transition that goes to the state with the parameter driver

so that it's only triggered by the wearer of the avatar

[jolly crypt]

the logic looks super ugly in animators because im having to make if else statements

[rigid pasture]

does anyone have a video on how to set up 'on enter' instead of proximity, for dyanmics?

[onyx vapor]

Is there a way to un-pose all of your phys bones? If people have gone crazy moving all my bones everywhere it's s chore to try and grab each one myself to manually take them out of pose mode.

[lone drift]

I've been using physbones and managed to make a chain but I wonder if it's possible to link two parts of an avatar together? Like to attach a monocle (on an avatar's face) to a suit, for example

[jolly crane]

https://camsaviis.gumroad.com/l/CamsPhysBoneReset

or you can try to replicate it yourself

[gilded elbow]

hello

since the last vrchat update

my avatar hair is acting very weird , moving at random by itself

How do i fix this?

[noble ivy]

it probably has dynamic bones. the automatic conversion to physbones is imperfect at best

[gilded elbow]

i never had this before, some of my avatar armature got dynamic bone

[noble ivy]

you'd want to remove the dynamic bones and replace with physbones

[gilded elbow]

I see.. is that all i have to do?

deleting all my dynamic bones, and replacing it with Physbones?

that's all?

[noble ivy]

well you will need to configure the physbones a bit to get them behaving well

the controls are not 1:1 with dynamic bones, they work a little differently

[gilded elbow]

uhmnn.. alriight- thank youu for the help ❤️

[fringe whale]

I've been trying to get dynamic bones and physbones forever but for some reason my quest 2 doesn't have it? Is that just me

[jolly crane]

what are you trying exactly

[fringe whale]

Every time I go to like the safety button to try and change to the dynamic bones it's just not there

[jolly crane]

well yea no shit? the Quest platform never had dynamic bones to begin with. there is nothing to convert to Physbones

if that's the button you're looking for

[fringe whale]

Ah makes since 💀

[jolly crane]

for avatars with Phys bones, they will need to be made with them in the first place, and uploaded

[fringe whale]

Ohh ok thx

Yeah I just seen other ppl with quest have it so I wasn't sure

[onyx vapor]

Thanks I'll check it out!

[fathom wagon]

Tryna add physics to a jumper that originally had none

how would i go about this

using phys bones

https://i.imgur.com/fZ5WV1v.png

I have placed bones in the hoodies range

within the armature

the bones move

but dont effect the hoodie itself

[little owl]

you'll have to weight paint the hoodie to the bones in blender

[fathom wagon]

ah okis

[heavy remnant]

I go to safety button and try to convert my dynamic bones to the Physbones and my bone won't move
does anyone know what happened😥 ?
when I switched back to dynamic bones it will moves

[forest sinew]

so i figured out with a tutorial video how to make a boop, like when your touching the collider it does an animation, but how do i make it a toggle animation?

[strong path]

Not sure if this is a dumb question but can I make a phys bone grabbable for others but it doesn’t collide with the finger colliders

[last stag]

Does anyone know how to turn bones back on I miss clicked a button my keyboard and now I can't see the bones or the radius of the physbones

[onyx vapor]

try clicking "Gizmos" in the scene view window?

[last stag]

Ah big brain thank you 🤣

[forest sinew]

is there a way to set a physical collision on a toggle?

[forest sinew]

any help would be great

[errant nova]

Hi ! Trying to ocnvert dynamic bones to physbones, only my left boob is working - for some reason the right one refuses to work. I tried to delete the component, create a new one, duplicating the left one and just changing the root, nothing so far seems t fix it

any idea ?

[forest sinew]

is there a way to make a toggle with avatar contact receiver?

[cedar maple]

with phys bones as long as you plug the phys bone component right onto the bone you want to move, you dont need to specify a root bone, perhaps thats it?

do they both work if you just put brand new default phys bones on each?

[errant nova]

no, only the left one, even with defaulf component, using root or not

ok it seems to boild down to the fact that my boobs bones don't have leaf bones

[noble ivy]

giving them an endpoint should solve that

[fading fable]

Yo, with Physbones if you toggle off a bone it will keep to where it previously bent which is different to Dynamic bones as to where if you toggle off a dynamic bone it will reset to it's original position without the dynamic bone effecting it. Is there a way to do that with physbones: Where if you disable the bone it goes back to it's original position instead of being locked in place at the time it was disabled?

[noble ivy]

uncheck the "posable" box

[fading fable]

I still want it to be posable, just not when its disabled

[forest sinew]

like haveit toggle in the FX layer?

[fading fable]

and its not when someone interacts with it either, its just whereever the bone was previously

[noble ivy]

ooh i see i misread

[mild stirrup]

hey, rly dumb question, but where can i get physbones for unity, cos im lost, did the sdk on the website update? or where can i download it

[noble ivy]

the sdk did update

[mild stirrup]

oh ok that makes sense ty

[errant nova]

an endpoint unlocks them, but in an unpredicatble way. Adding the leaf bones to the armature fixd it

[forest sinew]

so is there a way to make the collider animation in the FX into a toggle? like touch to toggle?

[stable crag]

Heya, can you not animate enable/disable of the physbone script? it lets me keyframe it but it doesnt actually enable them NVM, i was using a dupe set of animations instead of my edited ones in my controller

[jovial copper]

Does anybody know if trigger/buttons are broken since the update or did i always used them wrong and now they are 'fixed'? It was working before the update but now its not. Even with an already uploadet Avatar it stoped working after the update.

I'm using 2x Bool as VRC-params, 2x Trigger as FX-Params and Button-Type in the Menu
This is my setup:

its working within unity but not in vrc

[wet rune]

Not sure if this has been shared around yet or not but it's a super handy reference.
https://twitter.com/RadiantSoul3/status/1518744035275513861

ImSoul (@RadiantSoul3)

Credits go to Nara#0001 for making this. might help with the new phys bones update

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Twitter · Apr 26, 2022, 12:09 AM

[forest sinew]

so is there a way to make the collider animation in the FX into a toggle? like touch to toggle?

[lucid robin]

Hi I’m having some trouble with my locomotion caused by my physbones I’m wondering if anyone else is having troubles with it aswell

[minor timber]

lmk if u find an answer ive been looking too

[austere surge]

So i know physbone is pretty buggy right now bur for some reason the end bones on a certain chain just dont seem to be registering but they arnt a small bone either so i dont think it is that glitch because the bones they are attached to is is bigger then it...is ther a perticular reason for this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/706915746105786448/968506561079164978/unknown.png

I have even tried putting a physbone directly on it but it doesnt even show up then

like the physbone just doesnt want to interact with the bone at all and idky

[remote ferry]

Those are the wrong Parameter types

They still have to be Bools in your Animator List

Triggers can only be driven by Parameter Drivers and OSC

[remote ferry]

Setup is the same as any other toggle

Except that the value of the Parameter gets changed by the Contact instead of the menu

[unkempt mural]

so I've got an issue were only the tongue will not move with physbones applied. Yes, It's weight-painted and can be posed around normally, but It will not react to any of the Physbones movement.

[simple elk]

too small bones, packed too close to eachother

[austere surge]

that might be a bone size issue which idk if i am also having that problem or not

[simple elk]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1187-small-bones-no-longer-move-at-all-with-physbones start merging your bones or wait for a fix

easy test, just scale your model really big in play mode they will start moving

[austere surge]

my thing is that the physbone scrip wont even interact with these bone on the end of this chain at all

i even tried merging

nothing

[jovial copper]

U sure? Bool is true/false. I dont set it to true or false (Menu type is button). But I'll try it later in the evening - do i have to set all the tramsmission to true if i want to keep the Menu type button?

[remote ferry]

I can clearly see that those arent Bools lmao

Those are triggers

The VRC Menu can not change the value of a trigger

Oops I tagged the wrong image my bad

[remote ferry]

There you go, these need to be Bools

[remote ferry]

Thank youuuuuu

Didnt have any visuals ready

[jovial copper]

I'm completly confused but okay i'll try that. I thought trigger is right because i dont have a true/false stadium. (not toggle but button)
But i'll try it with a bool

[remote ferry]

Because in your VRC Parameter list

[remote ferry]

This one

You selected the Parameter type "Bool"

So it cant change the value of a Trigger

[remote ferry]

Because the Menu is looking for a Parameter of type Bool with that exact name in this list

The Parameter type and name have to be identical in both the Parameter List in your Animator and your VRC Parameter List

[jovial copper]

You can only set int float and bool as Params in the parameter.asset file.
The Menu.asset file however can handle Button, Toggle [...]
The Toggle gives out a true/false stadium and serves bools.
The Button gives out a 'got activated' signal which serves triggers.

What buggs me most about this is, that i already had an avatar uploadet, with that system working before the big phyboneUpdate was released. After the Update, the Button didnt worked anymore.

Gimme a few min I'll do a unity package to illustrate my problem

[jovial copper]

@remote ferry I also tried to set it to bool but it wont work neighter in unity nor in vrc.

I want to archive that:
The Menu is set to button, not Toggle
The Cube Scales greater or smaler in size whether i click 'more' or 'less' circling through a total of 5 Animations
This system was working before the update but isnt any longer after the update

Or wasnt it supposed to work with that system in the first place? And just worked accidentally? And now with the update got 'fixed'?

[remote ferry]

Well if it doesn't work with bool either then that's not the problem

[jovial copper]

I guess i have to make a work around ... setting the menu to toggle and the params to bool ... bye bye button :< ...
But thank you very much for the help, highly appreciated

[mellow hawk]

How do people hit the Phys bone limit on the quest, lol.
Like I filled an avatar up more than I usually do and only got to 48 transforms.

[simple elk]

They take a pc avatar, slap quest shader on it and auto convert its dynamic bones to phys , WAAH it runs fine for me 200k poly 50+ material/meshes/1000 transforms

[thorny flame]

In the showcase level one of the avatars has the ability to shake hands - does anyone have any insight as to how that was done? The only way I can imagine to "override" the normal IK arm animations would be to have a second, hidden arm that un-hides when a grab is detected.

[coarse depot]

weird glitch when upload for quest initial upload says every thing is fine get the message avatar too large (1.1mb over limit) now getting error saying too many transforms. Has this happened to anyone else?

[errant nova]

Did you try to add a leaf bone to the tongue ? I had a similar issue with a boob. Or you can try to define an endpoint, reportedly, though that didn't work for me

[final osprey]

Do I need hand colliders to interact with avatars and other objects, or is it automatically added to every avatar in game?

[coarse depot]

automatically added to every avi. you can edit them in the descriptor if you feel they are off.

[final osprey]

Just tested it in Dynamics world. Works on my avatar, but not world obects.

[short narwhal]

physics Bones on worlds will be a future update

[grave salmon]

is there any particular reason why the auto generated _Stretch parameter only goes up to 0.57 instead of 1 no matter how far the bone is stretched?

makes no sense to me

[barren blaze]

how do I fix the stuttering on the ears?

[forest sinew]

thats what i am asking, how do you set that up in the FX layer?

i know how to make them toggle with the 3.0 avatar menu, but not just in the FX animator

[wooden ginkgo]

hey anyone got good phys bone settings for hair?

also do phys bones require endpoint like dynamic bones did?

[alpine grail]

how do i drag bones in unity play mode?

[simple elk]

click & drag, does nothing if you have 0 radius

[thorny isle]

you have to use game view, not scene view

i recommend using a freecam script to move the scene camera easier
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936828379146121278/963573370060943360/FreeCam.unitypackage

[gritty valley]

click on them with the game camera on

[wise hinge]

You have to be in the game scene btw

[alpine grail]

[wise hinge]

Position your camera to what you want to grab then switch over THEN click and drag

[wise hinge]

In the phys bones section you will see parameter. Put something there that is 1 word. And put it in your avatars fx controller and put 4 parameters. The parameter you just put in the physical bones component then a _IsGrabbed _Angle _Stretch for the other 3

[remote ferry]

@alpine grailIs your camera tagged as the main camera

[simple elk]

Dont need that anymore

[remote ferry]

Oh word?

[simple elk]

It wont stretch if theres no bone, cant just drag nothingness

[alpine grail]

there are bones

[remote ferry]

You dont need bones to move stuff with phys bones

[simple elk]

bit odd placing but here , if this was invisible it would move fine since you are grabbing & stretching a bone

scratch that it was just to tiny 🔨

have a carrot test where i tried to grab a mesh and move it up from ground without bone...somewhere

you can course use contact/recivers for that but not really what you want on a gun

(unless it has blendshapes or anims / bones )

[simple elk]

maybe if i do it like this 🤔 , not really tried much , its just a bunch of gameobjects with a distance from eachother, yep that work

no clue why you cant grab anything in gamewindow tho

[alpine grail]

[simple elk]

4 gameobjects (red for easier visualization) + green ball i wanna move, no bones work, neat - gotto use angles to limit it tho or it will flail all over

[lunar nova]

when i put the phys bones in my avatar breast the breast wont move do i need to add the jiggle phsyics to the breast in blender to get them to move in unity and vrchat

[simple elk]

is it 1 bone?, add end bone - are there lots of small ones ? they might not move

[lunar nova]

the breast dont move at all with the pyhs bones in the model base at all even in vrchat i used panda new base on it

for the phys update and its being stubborn

[forest sinew]

Anyone know how to make a toggle in the FX Animator for phys colliders?

[lunar nova]

i got the breast to move finely on it

[willow spoke]

So with avi dynamics does that mean that spring joints and stuff work now?

[lunar nova]

i was trying to make some jiggle physics with the phys bones

[full harness]

did you manage to find a good setup? breasts moved on my avatar, but they're like...super firm

basically have to fall off a building to get them to jiggle lol

[vestal hearth]

this would mean you need to turn the immobile value down

[full harness]

ah cool thankyou, i had a bit of a play but i haven't had a chance to sit down properly and mess around until today

[vestal hearth]

no problem. it might be helpful to look at the official phys bones documentation (a link can be found in the phys bones release announcement). it describes what everything does

[full harness]

will do, cheers, thankfully everything seems to be fine after the auto convert so far, I've noticed a lot of people having all sorts of different issues

finally I get some luck XD

[vestal hearth]

thats very lucky lol. the vast majority of my avatars are pretty broken, which is sad because i have like 300 quest compatible avatars uploaded

[full harness]

ouch, yeah I haven't even touched quest stuff yet, I've got a Dell WMR so I've just ignored it so far 😒

[vestal hearth]

thats reasonable. ive never owned a quest, and i play on index, but i feel like making a bunch of content pc only is kind of a disservice lol

[full harness]

I'll get there eventually, still learning myself really, I just thought, one thing at a time

[vestal hearth]

smart

[willow spoke]

Anyone?

[vestal hearth]

wdym by "work now"?

[willow spoke]

Like work for quest

[vestal hearth]

you mean like simulating spring-joing movement with a phys bone?

[willow spoke]

Yeah

[vestal hearth]

if so, then yeah i guess

[willow spoke]

Basically

[vestal hearth]

i dont think actual spring joints are supported yet

[calm owl]

New sdk grab yo, new sdk fixes, changes, old sdk will have different behavior from unity to vrchat, get yo new sdk

[cedar maple]

I'm trying to figure out which is better. I'm using sender and receiver to make sound when people interact with a bone on my avatar. I already have it working perfectly fine but i'm just wondering
Should the animation for these noises be animating the Audio source or the actual object itself?

right now i have it so the game object is always on and the audio source is the animated part. However i also have another audio source on my avatar from a while ago where i actually animated the game object to turn on, and the audio source was just left on

do you guys think this has any performance impact/matters at all?

[simple elk]

either work 🤷 toggling - audio source what ive used

[cedar maple]

yeah they both work fine as far as i could tell

[rain walrus]

yayyy they fixed the tiny bone issue

[tough perch]

I was under the impression that the hand colliders are there by default and function as so, but someone please correct me if I’m wrong

[wary burrow]

You’re correct

Everyone has hand colliders now

[vital shore]

Is there a quick way to ignore collision from some, but not all of the the default colliders?

[craggy warren]

What did the updated sdk add?

[simple elk]

#announcements

ik2 also got an update (works on live)

[tough perch]

ok, so i have a problem and i need some help.
So, my avi had dynamic bones on it, i loaded into vrchat and let it automatically convert them to physbones. They wiggled and wobbled and all that, but they couldnt be interacted with at all. no collisions and no posing, grabbing, etc. I thought, maybe it was an issue with the automatic conversion, so i went into my project, changed the sdk and converted the dynamic bones in unity, fine tuned some settings and updated the avi.
but im still having the same problem. I went and added a new physbone component and copied the values over to them, and deleted the old components, incase maybe that was somehow the issue, still nothing. no collisions, no posing and grabbing. I'm at a loss.

[simple elk]

*automatically convert them to physbones , theres your problem, you likely have zero radius

[tough perch]

o

[simple elk]

it need some or theres nothing to grab

they are thin white lines in debug mode

[tough perch]

what should it be for something standard? ears, hair, tail, etc

[simple elk]

no such thing, you gotto fiddle with radius + curves , really depends on how your bones are

[tough perch]

ah damn

[simple elk]

exsample

[tough perch]

i see

[thorny isle]

big radius

[simple elk]

yeh its pretty wide in back

[tough perch]

🙏 thank you so much

ah my unity crashed

wish me luck

[simple elk]

sdk seem to make my unity crash more often during a build, havnt had it for 2 days now tho

[tough perch]

looks like it saved right after hitting build and publish, which is my favorite feature, esp cuz it did this every time i tried to publish when i moved to 2019, turns out i had a broken poiyomi script bc of the move that the updated one was trying to pull from

eyyyy the second go at it worked, hella

thanks again for telling me about the radius @simple elk

[jolly crane]

add a contact sender to a sphere and move it around?

[raven carbon]

do i need isanimated turned on if im disabling a child of the root bone?

[slim olive]

do you need to put phys bones on all child bones for them to be grabbable?

[jolly crane]

no, only root

[slim olive]

i have to do all of them for some reason

it doest let people grab the children

[jolly crane]

make sure you specify a Radius

and set an appropriate curve for it

[slim olive]

they can only grab the root

ill send a gif

[calm owl]

Are there any plans to add vr controller rotation influence to the pose/stretch system?

[wise lantern]

So I have a physbone component on my chest to allow my characters breasts to have movement, and while every child transform should be ignored except for them, they seem to inherit the motion of my avatars walking animation when crouching or playspace moving down, even though they don't move when tracked on the older version of the avatar. I did have custom locomotion, but using the default locomotion layer didn't fix it. For now I think I can fix it by placing the component twice on each breast bone, but this can't be intended functionality, right?

[slim olive]

https://gyazo.com/6247b5e33df644a01cb9f7357455ea87

[jolly crane]

your radius is literally 0 my guy

that's also a lot of Pull

[slim olive]

even when i changed the radius it still doesnt move

ive also been told the avatar needs to be very large as well as the bone size needs to be very big

[jolly crane]

no, not needed

[slim olive]

hm

[jolly crane]

the radius should match the size of the ears

[slim olive]

how much pull?

[little owl]

don't grab it with the position gizmo, grab it in the play mode

[slim olive]

0?

[little owl]

game window

[slim olive]

i am in play mode.....

[little owl]

you're using the editor gizmos though, it doesn't work like that

[slim olive]

how else am i supposed to grab it

[little owl]

the game window

[jolly crane]

oh yea lol, good catch

[little owl]

position the camera in front of the avatar and then click and drag on the screen where the bones should be

[slim olive]

thanks

also can we get an F for very poor on quest 😅

[frail steppe]

The new update has broken some of my bones, has anyone else experienced this

[cunning spindle]

My avatar tracking is broken with the update. but only on avatars that have phys bones.

[craggy warren]

hay is it possible to attach the end of a physbone to something that its the child of a parent?

[wise pawn]

Physbones don't require the beta build to be used anymore, right? The avatar dynamics world still has that message, but it's live now, yeah?

[turbid badger]

what is the axis determined when figuring out the default orientation of physbone limits..?

on some of my components i want to use Polar but it doesnt work because the axis is misaligned

i cant use the pitch,roll,yaw settings either because the object has a multiple root setup

and i cant mirror the adjustment

basically the component is “tilted” like 20° toward the center

and i cant seem to undo this. no idea what causes it in the first place

[bold quail]

https://youtu.be/hk7egiraIqA

Idea... Physbone face...

[mellow hawk]

Easily doable. lol

[crimson pebble]

so ive got a state machine that toggles between two animations when you touch a contact receiver with your hand, and it works consistently locally, but it doesnt sync. The parameter drivers on the animation seem to work fine, but the animations themselves refuse to sync. any ideas on why that might be?

[mellow hawk]

As far as I know. State machines aren't network synced for anyone who joins late or had the avatar hidden.
They have to do a full reset for anyone new.
Don't quote me, on that though, not great at avi's lol

[noble ivy]

hey so i'm having difficulty getting my skirt to physbone nicely. whenever my leg rotates enough it bugs out like this (but imagine it is also vibrating so fast it is flickering)

I think it's because my thigh colliders are clipping through the physbones at these angles? but i'm not sure

any suggestions on how to fix?

[little owl]

looks like the skirt bones are too low so the collider is going inside the skirt bone forces it away

[mellow hawk]

I think you would have to either move the root of the skirt bones up, or have the leg colliders lower and/or thinner.

[little owl]

you should move the skirt bones higher so they have more room to move away. You can also use polar limits to prevent them from pivoting that far

[noble ivy]

ok i think i know how to reposition the bones slightly in blender but is there a way to do that and not have to re-do literally everything i did in unity? or can i fix the bone positions in unity?

[little owl]

if the weight painting is blended smooth enough, a small position change shouldn't break things too badly

definitely don't reposition bones like this in unity though

[noble ivy]

augh i didn't save a .blend so i would have to go all the way back to importing the vrm DX

unless there's a way to reimport the fbx or something?

[noble ivy]

so come to think of it i have edited the texture and armature (specifically bone parenting and creating parent bones) in unity after importing from blender. is there a way to re-export with my changes into a format blender understands then bring it back into the unity project?

or do i need to restart basically from scratch?

[little owl]

yeah don't unpack the prefab in unity and start editing bones, that's a one-way process and if you ever edit the fbx in blender, everything will be broken

[noble ivy]

too late XD

welp guess i'm starting over

maybe this time i'll figure out how to make a jacket toggle >_>

[amber crane]

Bone roll. Orientation is determined by Z-axis when viewed in Blender.

[turbid badger]

i cleared the roll of all involved bones

[turbid badger]

the root bones are interacting with the colliders which has a very weird behavior

[amber crane]

That is not how it works. Bone roll doesn't need explicitly to be 0.

[turbid badger]

u would have to move the root out of the way and probably make it 0 radius at the start

[turbid badger]

but i set the roll to 0 so why is it tilted in unity

i made this demonic system for skirts that use like 6 physbone components lmao

i put an inside collider on each skirt bone

and that lets me pull on its neighbors and drag them along when one part is moved

[amber crane]

The fact that bone roll is 0 doesn't mean Z-axis will be rotated the way you want to.

[turbid badger]

its genius but a workaround for something vrchat won’t implement

[turbid badger]

how do i figure out what roll i need

[brisk flower]

Is it possible to set the ability to pose physics bones as a toggle I tried and it doesn’t seem to work

[turbid badger]

yea

u need an animation that deactivate then reactivate it (non looping)

if using Any State make sure to turn off Can Transition To Self

[brisk flower]

Alright I’ll try that

[turbid badger]

can be for like one frame or two, although i like to be cautious and do it repeatedly for like 0.2 seconds

[vestal hearth]

can i see this in action?

[turbid badger]

yea maybe tomorrow i can show it off. with 6 bones you have 2 more you can use for quest (tail and ears)

[vestal hearth]

yeppers

sounds good

[turbid badger]

but its pretty easy to set up

basically have a empty game object for each bone chain in your skirt

and on each one put a physbone and collider

set the collider to inside then give each physbone script 2 colliders

and set those 2 colliders to the neighboring bones

make sure the size of the collider is big enough for both chains to occupy

then when u pull on one chain u can pull on the others which pull on the others, so on

u might need to add 3 more colliders (floor, legs)

so if u need to, preemptively assign those first

it won’t work very well with stretching since you have to grab a chain to pull on it, but otherwise is ok

and probably don’t enable posing or else u have to unpose each bone

6 bone rigging setup: 2 in front of each leg, 2 behind each leg, 2: 1 on each side (left, right)
Might want to move the bones in front/behind the legs slightly away from the center so they get pushed away when you kick

[vestal hearth]

interesting

that doesnt sound too bad

wait so youre only using 6 bones for the skirt in total?

[turbid badger]

yes, although you can add extra bones for each chain

[vestal hearth]

optimization moment

[turbid badger]

its just easier to work with only 6

[vestal hearth]

ill have to try it out sometime

[turbid badger]

if you choose to double it up and have 12 bones for 6 chains, which one you put the colliders on has different effects

[vestal hearth]

oh?

[turbid badger]

but thats stuff i have yet to test

i just know its different

[vestal hearth]

i see

[turbid badger]

this collider pulls on the other leg and side

im just sketching it on mobile so ignore the ugly

u want to make the root radius very very tiny with curves

and use a fairly large radius at the end

[vestal hearth]

interesting

[amber crane]

Open your model in Blender. Select armature object of your avatar and go into Edit mode.
In Properties window open data properties. In Viewport Display section enable display of axes and set position on it to 0, so axis will be visualized on bones on their heads (Unity and most other software do not care about tails).
In the picture I am in the progress of rotating hair bones on my avatar so their Z-axis is pointing towards (or the opposite of) hair root bone. Initially they were somewhat random even within the same chain, since you don't care about bone rolls with Dynamic Bones, which this model was initially setup with.
This will allow me to utilize Polar rotation limits on PhysBones so that I won't need a head collider to prevent my hair from clipping into my head.
Also mentioned here: #avatar-optimization message

[amber sleet]

Does anyone know if it's possible to change the size if the purple ball?

I keep accidentally grabbing myself because it's much larger than I'd like.

[bronze bloom]

https://i.imgur.com/4M883Dw.gif

How Do I make it

The SpeedLoader is on my Belt

When I grab it I can move it back to the wheel?

[onyx vapor]

Im a little bit confused about the documentation for the VRC Contact Receiver - if I put a parameter in there that is network synced (so a custom parameter that I might otherwise control with the expression menu) will the receiver manipulate it and whatever value the receiver gives it - that value will be seen remotely ?

[supple garden]

yes

in that case, set "Local only"

that will only update it on your end, and then send that data over the network to sync with all the others like it did with the expression menu

[onyx vapor]

and if i assign it some other parameter name, then it will not sync and only i will see its values change (if i put that parameter on a controller )

right?

[supple garden]

no

it will still be synced, but from my testing, that is not that reliable

it only works for others if you are rendered for them

[onyx vapor]

oh... so i can be at max avatar parameters (128) and use contact recivers to sync even more animation states?

hmm

[supple garden]

theoretically, I think so, but you shouldn't do that for "settings" on your avatar, like toggle certain objects on or off, as it will not be synced if people don't see you

[onyx vapor]

hmm ok right right

[supple garden]

but for something like playing a bonk sound, it's fine

[onyx vapor]

I was worrying about needing to create more parameter space to have some phys bone effects play - but it sounds like i wont need to - this is good!

ty

[supple garden]

np

[atomic otter]

can i test for example a bonk hammer where it just bonks head in unity? its tiring getting in and out of vr to try get this working

[rain ice]

Omg this explains so many issues people have been telling me about my props

[mellow hawk]

Yes, just apply a sender/receiver onto an empty game object. Move it around till it contacts, and just add the head collider to the right component
Example for each:

[magic vigil]

What is VRCLeafTipBone?

[jolly crane]

they get added to the end of bones when you do the conversion, so you don't need to specify an endpoint or add an extra bone. personally I still prefer to add extra end bones

[magic vigil]

Since we can't add physbones to the hips my butt bones don't work properly, can i add these myself to fix it?

[jolly crane]

yes. you can just select the ends of the bones in blender, and hit E to extrude another bone. name them whatever you want

then add a physbone component to the first bone of each cheek

if you want to use a single physbone component (which you actually might not want to do for performance reasons), you can create an additional "butt_root" bone and parent both cheeks to it, and parent the new root bone to the hips

[magic vigil]

its strange though because each butt has 2 bones which should be enough for it to work

[magic vigil]

one component is less optimised?

[jolly crane]

Physbones, by design, can be split up to be run on multiple threads

so in some cases, it can be beneficial to split it

in this case, because it's so little bones, perhaps a single component might be better

[magic vigil]

Cool to know, guessing if you contact one bone it does calculations for every bone in the component

[slim leaf]

I have a weird issue where the parameter value on contact between a sender and receiver is set to 1 on the receiver, but not on the avatar itself
It just stays at 0 even though it's the exact same parameter name
If anyone knows what the cause might be or what to go over to check for mistakes I'd really appreciate it

[plush scaffold]

How do i activate dynamic avitars on quest 2?

if it's possible

[atomic otter]

Im really struggling to make this bonk sound on this hammer lmao, i followed a tutorial and it just didnt work :?

im assuming its changed since the beta so the tutorials are redundant

[worn mica]

You don't need to activate anything, if an avatar has physbones you'll see them ingame (as long as it's within the limits)

[plush scaffold]

Whenever i use an avatar it just uses an error avatar

[worn mica]

Any avatars?

[plush scaffold]

Not all

just dynamic ones

[worn mica]

How do you know they are dynamic?

[plush scaffold]

the ones from dynamic avatars world

like the showcase from vr chat

[worn mica]

That is strange indeed, I've never heard of such issue but you may want to go look in Safety -> Performance options -> Look if there's any options related to physbones. Otherwise idk

[plush scaffold]

I checked there wasn't😅

[supple garden]

maybe ask in #quest-general

[plush scaffold]

Kk will do

[coarse siren]

Did you find a solution? I have the same problem. Can't interact with phys bones in the game tab 😐

[worn mica]

I think Lyuma emulator solves this but unsure

[wispy kiln]

Hello, how do you reset the position of the bones once the fis bone is disabled

[snow marlin]

disabled as in

removed script in unity? disabled via animation? etc

[fierce lantern]

maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm having an issue with having a punch sound effect on my avatar. I can punch other people and I'll hear the sound effect, but it only plays on the first punch, and won't activate the sound on subsequent punches. I'm using an "On Enter" receiver type. and my Punch parameter is a float, and the thingy looks like this

[fierce lantern]

Also when I reset the avatar the punch sound effect works again

[golden beacon]

im using physbones but the physbones are making the whole upper body move i stead of just the pieces i want it to, how would i fix that?

[wispy kiln]

Check the root bone and enable gizmos to check where they are

[golden beacon]

alright

thanks

[hardy estuary]

Question about physBones i could not get any information on . Is there a maximum render distance for them and where can that be changed?

[queen knot]

Does anyone know of a way to get world-fixed entities on quest? I have an idea that involves dropping down a set of props that anyone can pick up, but I can't get it to stay in one place.

say, a set of tools perhaps

I've heard of someone managing to get it working using animator shenanigans

but nothing usable

[mellow hawk]

On PC it's easy to do world constraints, vrlabs has a prefab for just that. But there is no way to do it on quest. The quest version does not support parent constraints.

[tough sparrow]

is there a way to exempt specific physbones from getting grabbed by specific hands?

because wings and dangly bracelets

[mellow hawk]

Yep, the Allow Grabbing button of the component lets you turn it off.

[tough sparrow]

I want to be able to grab it and have friends grab it. the hitbox is just constantly in the purple sphere so... I was more asking if I could prevent the right wing from getting grabbed by the right hand

[mellow hawk]

I don't think there is a way to disable local interactions, could put it on a toggle, I believe.

Maybe able to do something with gestures.

Even dumber idea, could have that phys bone drive a pram, then force vrc to drop it with an osc script lol.

[tough sparrow]

also hilarious simple oversight. the hand/feet colliders are mirrored around the world origin instead of the avatar origin...

[mellow hawk]

Does it? I've never had that problem.

[tough sparrow]

you always had it in automatic then. go to the avatar descriptor, drag the avatar to the left or right, like you're making a series of avatars. In the avatar descriptor, there's a colliders dropdown. click 'edit' on the right of hand, or foot. you'll notice the capsule on the right hand will be in thr wrong place as you edit the left hand

[slow remnant]

Does anyone know why the Physbones are starting at the 3rd bone in the chain, rather than the first?
I've tried redoing the component, restarting unity, and copying over from an avatar that does work with it
I just can't get it to work properly
It was working on dynamic bones before conversion

[short hornet]

Adjust your root bone up one?

[slow remnant]

Tried. Doesn't work either

[simple elk]

multi child type -none-

[slow remnant]

Yeah, I was about to type that setting it to "first" fixed it

[simple elk]

multi child is handy if theres multiple strands on a root

[narrow yarrow]

How do you make a contact that affects people locally to them but not to urself

[simple elk]

Thats not a thing , unless their controller is set up for it

[little crane]

Anyone have the SDK download link?

Avatars

[hardy estuary]

Question about physBones i could not get any information on . Is there a maximum render distance for them and where can that be changed?

[vestal hearth]

if it’s still the same as it was with dynamic bones, pretty sure it’s 10 meters. dont think it’s changeable

[hardy estuary]

i could animate it to be more on the bones though

make bigger model possible. That would be really sucky to lose that

[hardy estuary]

The issue is that very tall avatars get that 10 meter away really quickly and just lose all bones, sucks a lot for anyone watching it.

[cedar maple]

I've actually not noticed or checked for something like that yet

Yeah big avatars always had that problem

I imagine for optimization purposes they probably do have a limit

[hardy estuary]

but it could be bypassed by making an animator that would by default make that value something else.

is there a way to access that value again ?

Like if i wanted to make a big flying dragon model for a fantasy world , everyone sees a stick flying around instead of a long snaking tail .

[cedar maple]

I'm not sure I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere

🤔

I suppose you'd have to test the distance in game first

[hardy estuary]

i know, i search the docs and all and have not seen it mentionned. Feel like it would be an important thing to know and i would like to get the dev's attention to it.

[cedar maple]

If anything you can make a canny asking for the option to have it changed somehow

I'm sure there's a good number of folks with giant Avis that would like that option

[hardy estuary]

before doing a canny , i want to find out what the behavior is from the devs themselves so i know where to stand

[jagged sigil]

Having a lot of fun with avatar dynamics, set up a working umbrella using a physbone stretch value~
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c5QbWs1-jIA

[cedar maple]

Might need to make a canny to get that attention in the first place xD

[hardy estuary]

ill go try to get some data in vrc then to see the distance at witch it turns off

[cedar maple]

Yee lemme know if you make a canny

[torn tendon]

I love the new dynamics, but it makes me so uncomfortable going into public worlds with my tits bounding around infront of little kids,and I know I know you can turn it off but I like it :,)

[shell yarrow]

Do I want to know how every single raindrop is handled or will that make me cry

[short narwhal]

maybe you shouldn't have your boobs be that cartoonishly bouncy

[jagged sigil]

Horizontal billboard particles with collision

Max particles 100

[shell yarrow]

Alright that's pretty neat then, and looks great !

[jagged sigil]

Thanks

[torn tendon]

Now how is that my fault

There’s not a setting on how to turn it off

[short narwhal]

well if you uploaded the Avatar yourself it would be if it's a public Avatar Fair

[thorny isle]

you can make one

[torn tendon]

I don’t have the creativity for that

And idk how

Plus unless I ask the creator I don’t think I can if I’m mistaken?

[hardy estuary]

could you help me answer my earlier question Ruuubick about the distance for new Physbones?

[shell yarrow]

What about it ?

[hardy estuary]

for tall avatars ...or just generally long ones, the dynamic bones had a render distance of 10 meters but that could be animated to be longer so that people far away would not see them stiff. That seems to not be a value that's accessible on the new phys bones. Or is it and im not looking in the right spot.

its very noticeable around giant model since they reach that 10 meter away pretty fast

Example is : if i wanted to make a big flying dragon model for a fantasy world , everyone sees a stick flying around instead of a long snaking tail .

[trail valve]

Hello! I was wondering if anyone can help me with this or point out what I am missing here?
Before Physbones, I had a simple blendshape toggle going from longhair to short hair. I toggle off the Dynamic Bones so that there is no deformation when the blendshape is activated.
When updating to Physbones however, I discovered that simply toggling off the Physbone script on the bone doesn't quite work the same as apparently the bones remember what position they're in when the bone script is deactivated? instead of resetting to un-weighted state?
I tried making multiple animations that de-activated the bones first, wait a sec and then activate the blendshape, no luck.
I tried animating the parameters so that the hair is stiff before de-activating the script (or even leaving them on since they're stiff) and activating the blendshape, but the parameters don't seem to stiffen the hair in-game..
Please tell me I'm missing something ;-;

[thorny isle]

there’s a canny about this

not really sure what you can do

possibly toggle off, on, then immediately off to reset hair position

or animate the hair bones themselves to an idle position when off..?

[shell yarrow]

That sounds like a canny request !

[torn tendon]

Do you have a link to the canny? Id like to read it🤔

[hardy estuary]

It will be , i just wanted to confirm with a dev that the feature was removed or adjusted

[thorny isle]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1184-physbones-freeze-in-whatever-position-they-were-in-when-disabled

[trail valve]

Ah- I see, thank you ;-;

[shell yarrow]

I've been told there is currently no distance culling with PhysBones

[hardy estuary]

alright,maybe it was still on dynamic bones when i saw it , i'll have to check that again more in depth , thanks for confirming it

[slim olive]

I put avatar dynamics on my avatars ears and they jitter and shake when im not moving, any way to fix this?

[vestal hearth]

sounds like the root bone is inside of the head collider

[slim olive]

so remove the bones from it?

[balmy ravine]

Curious why, for the example you gave, you would use physbones instead of making animations for it flying that blend based on velocity?

[slim olive]

ive been told the dynamic bones need to be huge

[slim olive]

how would I fix that?

[vestal hearth]

make the head collider smaller

or move the phys bone script onto a bone further in the bone chain

[balmy ravine]

for ears don't use a head collider, set an angle limit instead

[slim olive]

I didnt make a head collider

[vestal hearth]

maybe you just have weird phys bone values

make sure you dont have momentum or gravity turned up really high

[vestal hearth]

ah yes

[slim olive]

all at 0?

[vestal hearth]

turn spring down below pull

a bit below pull

everything else seems fine to me

[slim olive]

didnt work

made it worse

[vestal hearth]

try turning gravity and gravity falloff to 0

oh wait

you have no root bone

[hardy estuary]

I gave a top of my head example for a large avatar seen at a distance. if you want a better one , ...a giant with very long hair.

[vestal hearth]

you gotta specify a root bone for the script to use

[balmy ravine]

you don't have to specify a root bone, it uses the bone its on if not specified

[vestal hearth]

oh does it?

[slim olive]

omg im getting so many mixed answers this doesnt help....

im being told to put gravity and 0 then told not to, told to make my bones giant and told not to change them......

[vestal hearth]

well no one said not to put gravity to 0

it takes like a few seconds to give it a shot lol

[jolly crane]

@slim olive try switching to Advanced integration mode, and reduce your Pull a lot

[slim olive]

nvm

[jolly crane]

the pull on my avatar's ears is literally 0.05

[slim olive]

turns out unity decided to map them to they eyes

when i took them off

[finite plume]

Hate the colliders, maybe Im not good at it or maybe someone can help me understand them better...

I'm trying to make decent colliders for her skirt so her skirt doesnt go through her legs x.x I'm not sure how the damn colliders work on phybones

[cedar maple]

You actually don't have to use colliders for a skirt! You can use the new rotation limitations

With a bit of tweaking the pitch and other rotation limits you can essentially tell the bones to never be given the opportunity to go in there

[stone bane]

Hey! Is there an animation that will toggle off the audio source when nothing is in contact? It sounds like you're able to activate the punch but it never turns off the audio source to reset. I'm at work right now but I can share my set up later if you still haven't figured it out! I have a kick noise on my avi from The Simpsons Hit and Run

[finite plume]

?

[cedar maple]

Yeah you can set it as a hinge and adjust settings, you should mess around with it a bit!

If you don't like it then you could just stick with what you were doing before I'm no expert on what skirt users like lol

[torn tendon]

You can offset the colliders and make them massive, but then you need to prevent interaction with all colliders except for the feet/legs.

[ember trout]

Hi. With DB, I can exclude earrings using exclusions. Might I ask anyone who knows more about Phys what the equivalent is?

Basically, what is happening with the earrings I added is something that I know happens with Dynamic Bones: The earrings will pivot away from the ears. I know how to fix it with DB, but since the issue cropped up again with the new Phys Bones, how do I fix it? The stars are the earrings.

[finite plume]

XD I have no idea what you mean by that, photo?

[stuck wadi]

just here to share this ticket that prevents avatars with constrained arms from interacting with others.. would be nice if people upvoted :3 https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1181-auto-generated-collider-customisation-for-constrained-rigs

[candid ginkgo]

Interesting to know! Although honestly, given how good my performance has been since the update, aside from the excessive logging issue that’s since been patched, distance culling probably won’t have to be a resort anymore if things keep up well ^^

[bright bolt]

there is a bug (of sorts) with physbones, when the script is turned off by an animation the bones are frozen in whatever position they were in, for most cases you probably want it to reset to the default pose when unaffected by physbones (and this is how it works with Dynamic Bones)

[north raptor]

Hey guys all of a sudden the interaction with the physbones in the unity game window has stopped working. Any ideas on how to fix this?

[mellow citrus]

My avatars ears are vibrating even though there is no head collider to interfere with the ears???

[ember trout]

Hi. With DB, I can exclude earrings using exclusions. Might I ask anyone who knows more about Phys what the equivalent is? Basically, what is happening with the earrings I added is something that I know happens with Dynamic Bones: The earrings will pivot away from the ears when the ears wiggle. I know how to fix it with DB, but since the issue cropped up again with the new Phys Bones, how do I fix it? The stars are the earrings.

[fierce lantern]

I don't have an off animation, I will try doing that, thank you

[junior charm]

I have self interact on, but am unable to grab both my own phys bones and others phys bones. My bones can be grabbed, i just dont seem to be able to grab anyones, but all my settings are set to be able to

any ideas?

[simple elk]

Enable ingame debug see if its has any radius to grab , autoconvert in vrchat rarely has

[mellow hawk]

You can exclude bones by adding them to the Ignore Transforms list. It defaults to 0.

[junior charm]

other people are able to grab the things I seemingly cant, unsure if its the collider radius on my digits or what

but I can interact with phys bones, just not grab

[ember trout]

Thank you.

[gritty valley]

there's a min velocity option for receivers, is that a world scale or player scale thing? because the speed of a 10ft avatar's punch vs a 10cm avatar punch will differ

right?

[feral violet]

any big brains know why a parent contstraint on a phys root bone, disallowed grabbing on all the phys bones in the chain, except for the root? Basically if you want to grab a foot, but the phys bone root is on the thigh, you can only grab the thigh, not the food or lower leg

[sleek lance]

Hi. Is there a Unity emulator to test the IsGrabbed/IsStretched parameters without having to enter the game to test it? I currently have the latest Lyuma avatar emulator but it doesnt call the parameters when stretched (they do work when I enter the game, so they are set up correctly)

[errant carbon]

Anyone got a good tutorial for setting up smacking? I've seen videos of people clapping eachoher and smacking their heads etc. I set mine up with Constant/Proximety both working but On Enter (prefered method) does not work. My guess is my animation doesn't finish because On Enter is only one frame and I'm doing something wrong.

[mellow hawk]

Not 100% sure why, but have seen that when you use parent constraints to update a bone's position and animate them. The constrained bone does not update the grab colder position, but still updates the physics for secondary motion.
Some in-game screenshots with debug overly may help to figure it out.
Side note the docs do say it can cause lots of problems to put Phys bones on the Humanoid rig Bones

[spark vigil]

what is up my dudes

[mellow hawk]

Bones go wiggle ofc

[feral violet]

funny you mention it. I literally just discovered that. The air space where the T pose would be before the constraint, can grab the phys bone...So I guess thats it then. I don't think I am smart enough to fix that. Thanks for confirming it, and answering =)

[mellow hawk]

Parent constraints and Phys bones do get kinda funky when mixed

[onyx vapor]

one of my avatars is doing this and i cant figure out why! (in unity the ears are fine, but in game the ends of the ears continually vibrate with no collider for them touching, and while standing still)
😦

[tranquil smelt]

What's not working?

[entry] -> [waiting, sound off] ---(on enter = true, no exit time)--> [sound animation] ---(exit time = 1, no condition)--> [waiting]
the sound animation should be as long as the audio. all transition duration = 0

[cold cairn]

anyone know how to fix this i have thigh bonesb ut they are turning into this after a few minutes of hanging out in a world with people

[errant carbon]

ty I'll try those settings later. It doesn't play the sound with On Enter but does with Constant and Proximety.

[mellow citrus]

Are there any physbones and/or colliders on the thighs?

[cold cairn]

phybone

[gloomy jewel]

how do i update my sdk to the new one

[mellow citrus]

Could the bones be automatically colliding with something? I noticed when converting dynamic bones, physbones adds collisions in my avatar descriptor.

[cold cairn]

how do i remove that?

[mellow citrus]

you may be able to just uncheck the collision box in the thigh's scripts, though i'm not sure. I'm still learning about physbones.

[cold cairn]

same

[tranquil smelt]

i've implemented high five with on enter with those exact settings

[errant carbon]

ty. It worked.

[finite plume]

So I just watched the VRChat Avatar Dynamics Tutorial - PhysBones, and it some extent it makes no sense

[fading pilot]

How do you allow something on your avatar to be held by another person without limits? Like how with one of the example avatars in the AD world allows you to grab a chip and take it anywhere else in the world.

[scenic ore]

any 200 iq people could help me out. i have receiver/sender setup. but for some reason when the sender gets close to the receiver nothing happens.

[glacial star]

Is there any tutorial on how to make high fiving work?

Also, can having an object on the avatar mess up the physbones even when there's no colliders

Ex: a crown or hat

[fading pilot]

By default, phys bones will only collide with fingertips. In order for it to collide with anything else, it has to be manually set as such

[torn tendon]

How can I make it so that I can stretch my cheeks far away from my face? I rigged them with a bone but I can't stretch them out I can only pose them and move them

[simple elk]

need 2 points, one where you stretch from and other can be fake but not near where the first one is

[torn tendon]

So I need a fake bone of which it will stretch towards?

[simple elk]

exsample, bottom one is too close to other bone/gameobject it wont be able to stretch | other is sliightly from origin and is allowed to stretch, further away it is - longer it can stretch

[onyx vapor]

+1
I tried to figure this out but have had no luck - hopefully someone can give some advice/tip on how to achieve this

[torn tendon]

so i need more end length?

[simple elk]

need 2 points end is nothing

gameobject/bone

[torn tendon]

ahhh

[scenic crown]

Any reason why they they didn't add thumb to the descriptor colliders?

[simple elk]

Can try showing a empty gameobject slightly from cheek and put the cheeks inside em , that should be able to be stretched

[torn tendon]

I added empty game objects to my cheek bones that have Physbones on them, I have the stretch maxed out but it still doesn't stretch

I'm so confused

I can only push it apparently

[simple elk]

futher away gameobject is longer it can stretch

[simple elk]

(yep that work, tried it on a eye its allowed to be stretched)

[torn tendon]

this is where i have my cheek bones stretched

ohh

I think I may understand now

[simple elk]

you want immobile 1 tho , or it will wobble

[torn tendon]

ahhh

[simple elk]

gameobject way inside my head

[torn tendon]

Does these settings look okay for cheek stretching?

I can only push them

;w;

[simple elk]

i used 5, cause its pretty small distance (also testing)

[fading pilot]

Did some testing and found that one, there is a limit, and two, there's three chips that are connected to bones that can be grabbed. So it's probably just some phys bones settings, plus animations reacting to being grabbed and released

[simple elk]

set pull to 0 it will stay there, until avatar moves anyway

[onyx vapor]

Hmm so just reallllly stretchy phys bones. I'll try that out

[torn tendon]

I can't get it working, no idea why

[autumn zenith]

Is the Phys Bone collider only used to collide with physbones or can it be used to setup the physbone collision radius?

[torn tendon]

Did I set this up properly for stretching the cheek to work?

[simple elk]

other way around, gameobject first and inside head

[torn tendon]

So the bone has to be out there and the game object in there?

[simple elk]

bone can stay where it is

[torn tendon]

Will the cheek or game object have the physbones script?

[simple elk]

game object

[queen knot]

can a physbone be squished inward or only stretched?

[simple elk]

yes with contacts it can

[queen knot]

oh, but grab stretching no?

[torn tendon]

I'm so dumb, I can't figure out why it doesn't work aaaaaa

The game object root transform should be the cheek right?

[simple elk]

nope, inside the head

[torn tendon]

qwq

I got my hair to stretch

but not the cheeks

aaaa

[simple elk]

fake grab setup, you can use a bone / gameobject

futher away the gameobject is, longer you can stretch it, set pull to 0 it will stay where its moved

[queen tinsel]

does anyone have any good physbone settings for butts?

[torn tendon]

I coped your settings to grab my cheeks and it still doesnt work aaaaa

I am just hella dumb I guess rip

I managed to get it!!

im just hella dumb!

thank you so much for helping me

[autumn zenith]

@simple elk Do you have to use a emulator to mess around with your phys bones?

[simple elk]

Dont need one, but i do have av3

play mode > game tab, click and drag stuff, must have radius on physbones to make it work

[brazen moth]

Is anyone having problems with the new SDK not working with Parameters?

I was able to get one avatar to work just fine but with the new avatar it won't let me

[forest sinew]

is there a way to test the dynamic interaction in unity so i dont have to go ingame to test?

[brazen moth]

Look at the message before mine

[forest sinew]

that doesnt work

[brazen moth]

Make sure you have a Radius

[forest sinew]

its set up right

[jade tusk]

It's weird, contact sender/receiver testing used to work in Unity for me a few days ago, but suddenly it stopped working

[forest sinew]

i see

[ember trout]

So, sorry to interrupt, something I used to do with DB is that I would set up a collider below my avatar so things like tails don't clip into the floor. Do I need to do that with PB, or is that already factored in?

[jade tusk]

Still manual, but with PB you can use a collider plane which is way better than a bigass sphere

[noble ivy]

okay so i was having some odd behaviours with my skirt earlier and was advised to move up the root of the bones (as well as making the thigh collider smaller, which i will do when i hit unity this time lmao) - is this about where i want them now? i figure if i put the roots higher it will clip through the jacket. but the bones are now much bigger than they started, will i need to compensate for that at all with anything?

[ember trout]

Ok. Thank you.

[brazen moth]

You're right it's not working for me either

[ionic mango]

Does anyone know why adding this section of hair to my ignore transforms causes the head to be made dynamic? it makes it so my head doesnt track at all in game

[noble ivy]

You can't put physbones on important humanoid bones like head, you'll want to make a new bone between the head and hair strands

[ionic mango]

oooh, okay i did not know, thanks I'll try that

[ember trout]

Do you perchance know how to resize the plane collider? It's too small for my avatar, or so it seems.

[short narwhal]

you can't resize it as it's infinitely big

like the little small square with the arrow is just visualizing the angle

[ember trout]

Ah, I did not know. It looked small.

[hard holly]

Hey when someone poses your physbones, is there a way to reset the pose easily?

[slim olive]

trying to put sounds on a dynamic interact receiver and what is some good audio settings for max and min so the audio can be heard? it seems no matter what i do its way too quiet but in unity its loud

[hard holly]

Or is reset avatar the only way

[short narwhal]

basically just grab the bones again and let go?

[latent mirage]

Wings are screwed up :c These round tips are rotating rapidly, not sure how to fix

[onyx vapor]

i -think- if you animate the transforms of the bones on the gesture layer they maybe snap out of pose mode (this is what seems to happen but i havnt tested it 100%)

[jolly crypt]

is there any way for the contacts to know where they were touched? like so a sword could make a spark in the correct spot when 2 of them collide

[noble ivy]

I'm not an expert but from what I understand about collision detection that is waaay more costly of a calculation so probably not

[torn tendon]

im trying to make a avatar with physbones but if i try testing it sends me to my VRC avatar discriptor and says this in console

[onyx vapor]

ok I figured out an issue that had me stuck for ages, figured Id share - It seems that you can not interact with phys bones in the "Game" window unless you have "Display 1" selected (I mostly happen to use a camera attached to Display 2 when testing avatar things in play mode)

[torn tendon]

where do you find display one

also

do you mind helping me with physbones

[torn tendon]

ok

[onyx vapor]

I am still learning phys bones myself xD

that error you posted sounds like you have some script on your avatar that is beig funky

[torn tendon]

im just trying to add them to a marine jacket but the thing keeps giving me this error

[torn tendon]

i removed all the dead scripts

[onyx vapor]

do you get the error if you dont add any phys bone component?

[torn tendon]

idk

lemme see

yup

i still get it

[onyx vapor]

so its not an issue with phys bones, some script you have in your project is being funny

[torn tendon]

will it do it if the avatar is ripped cause i had to rip the model back after losing it

[onyx vapor]

I dont know, and im not keen on helping if its for a ripped avatar

[torn tendon]

i lost all my files when i got a new pc

so

i lost it

[onyx vapor]

it mentioned "bitactionswitchcreator", maybe there is some script named that

I understand that justifies it for you

[torn tendon]

hmmm

i dont have the bit action switch installed

should i try that?

OHHHH

[onyx vapor]

i dont know what it is, but maybe try removing/adding things related to it?

[torn tendon]

the bit action switch had a funky script

[torn tendon]

easy way of doing toggles without animating

its working

[onyx vapor]

huzzah

[torn tendon]

any suggestions?

[jolly crane]

yep

[torn tendon]

didnt make it in blender

my friend made it for me

[mellow hawk]

optimize time in blender time

[jolly crane]

doesn't matter? Blender is a very powerful piece of software that can do many things, including editing any model

that model should not ever touch the quest platform in its current state

[torn tendon]

i dont know how to use it tho

i have antoher version of it on quest

[jolly crane]

I would strongly recommend using the "Bake" tool in the CATS blender plugin, it's as simple as it will get for optimizing

[torn tendon]

^Read^

[jolly crane]

you can learn though

no one is born knowing how to use anything

you have to learn

[torn tendon]

well i kinda need it uploaded by tomorrow

its for a rp

[noble ivy]

then you better learn to use blender FAST

[mellow hawk]

if you really lazy, you could use the CATS plug in to decimate it, and make a texture atlas

[torn tendon]

all ik how to do in blender is export a already made fbx

[jolly crane]

better yet, CATS Bake like I said

[torn tendon]

how do i even get that model in there

[jolly crane]

it's essentially a 1 click optimizer

[jolly crane]

open blender, File > Import > FBX

and also, move to #3d-modeling

[mellow hawk]

Heres how it looks btw

[onyx vapor]

Is there a performant way to extend how far a phys bone can be stretched while keeping its "pivot"(?) point as-is? At the moment I am daisy-chaining a bunch of empty game objects out and then back in (overlapping) so they kinda unfold as you drag the bone - allowing for a longer range grab and stretch. But this obviously means I'm adding a bunch of affected transforms.

(my intention is to be able to have an accessory, like a hat, picked up and dragged away from the avatar a good distance)

(by another player)

[mellow hawk]

have no idea how to visualize that lol
Are you more or less trying to make a rubber band with PB?

[jolly crane]

they want people to be able to take a hat from them and run away with it

[mellow hawk]

If they don't want it back, I feel like you could do some magic with like parent constraints and world space. Depends if they want it to be quest compatible tho.
I did see something on Twitter about a player tracker that may be useful for this? idk lol

[jolly crane]

yea, hfcred's player tracker

I actually was talking to him about a similar thing earlier

also hi aero

[shut hemlock]

hi sacred

Unlike Dynamic Bones, the root bone of a PhysBone chain is permitted to rotate. It can't translate, though. This can have some consequences with certain setups-- try things out on your own to see how it behaves.

Can't seem to get rotation to work at all 🤔 trying to do tail wag animation by changing the rotation of the root phys bone, which shows as expected in unity but does nothing ingame
av3 emulator also shows it doing nothing, im probably doing something dumb

[jolly crane]

checklist:

• animation in Gesture controller?
• created new Avatar mask for tail with all humanoid transforms set to red, and only the tail bones selected?
• have a custom FX controller? can be either your main one or empty, it just can't be left at default

[shut hemlock]

created new Avatar mask for tail with all humanoid transforms set to red, and only the tail bones selected

I dont have avatar mask but is that an issue if I manually specify rotation via the hierarchy view? never touched masks before and ive made animations like this before without issue though not with physbones

unity tutorial says you can apply an animator mask to an animation but doesnt explain how 💯

[jolly crane]

not to an animation, to an animator layer

you click the gear icon and pick a mask

can you show how you have it set up in your Gesture controller?

[mellow hawk]

Here's a weird question, how does the parameter part of phys bones work. The docs explain it really poorly lol.
The docs say it has three new prams. Do you just add the {pram}_{whatever} to your controllers' prams list and pram obj? Also do you need all three, or do you just ignore any you don't want?

[jolly crane]

you only need to add it to your animator, not to your synced params. you only need to add the ones you want to use

[mellow hawk]

Ah right, that's fair, it is a driver after all.
If you dont have to add it to you're prams, then it doesn't count against the bit limit right?

[jolly crane]

correct

think of it this way

your limbs are IK synced anyways

if you grab, let's say, one of your ears, the contacts came into contact on both your end and other people's ends

the logic happens locally on both ends

no syncing

[mellow hawk]

Ah nice, so this is even crazier than I thought it was.
Free drivers sound like fun to mess with. thx bud.

Just thought of something, I assume because it's not in the prams obj, you cant read the date over osc?

[jolly crane]

you can

that's how the bhaptics integration works

local params being read by OSC

[mellow hawk]

Project ideas exploded, this can more or less just be free input for osc stuff.

[jolly crane]

kek

[mellow hawk]

well, there goes a week... lul

[exotic pollen]

i was wondering if someone could help me with making items that i can say grab from my hip or back

i dont really know much just the basics of the last avatar update

[viral current]

Hey can the physbones be grab while being constraint? I want something like a switch, rotates 1 axis only.

[jolly crane]

yes, that's what the Limits are for

you would want it set to Hinge

[viral current]

Alright thanks.

[onyx vapor]

If i have a bone with 0 pull, this means that if someone grabbed the bone and move it - it would stay at that spot (even if they didnt press the trigger to pose it there) - I assume this is correct

How do you reset a bone like that to resting position? Is it possible?

Also, is there a way to detect if a bone is currently posed?

[frank minnow]

what's a good velocity for a sword's striking contact receiver?

[shut hemlock]

just for future reference, I fixed this issue with help from sacred, turns out you need to enable a checkbox in the physbones that lets their root transform be animated

[remote ferry]

Two ways to go on about this, but both need constraints and are therefore not quest compatible

You could either use a tracker that follows the hand or make the root of a bone follow the end of the bone with a constraint, which will cause a feedback loop

So when you stretch the bone the root will follow where you stretch it. Letting go will then cause the bone to be left in world space and can be grabbed by other people, like a world prop essentially

Both of these methods have infinite distance

[onyx vapor]

That is a really interesting idea! thanks I'll try it out

[onyx vapor]

So I cant seem to get that idea to work

When i stretch the bone it still obeys its normal stretch limits, although when i let go the parent constraint then kicks in and moves the root to the place where i dragged it to (but only as far as the initial stretching distance went)

[remote ferry]

There you go

Just slap that onto your Avatar

[onyx vapor]

thanks ill check it out!

[remote ferry]

Obviously you still have to put this inside a world constraint

Otherwise it will just move with your avatar when you go into locomotion

[onyx vapor]

yep

[remote ferry]

But other than that just drop it in there, go into playmode, grab the cube and it will follow

Anything inside the container will follow the bone

You can make it snappier by reducing the weight of the grabber source in the Parent Constraint from 1 to 0.5

[worn mica]

Idk how people come up with those genius ideas but it's awesome I might try to do something with that as well-

[remote ferry]

I made that on day 2 when the beta released so I don't know how well it holds up now with all the changes made to phys bones

[onyx vapor]

there is an animator on "rotation restriction" missing a controller, anything important ?

[remote ferry]

Uuuuuh

Ah wait that's the wrong prefab

That should be it

If you don't want all the rotation jank going on you can unfreeze the rotation axis in the Parent Constraint settings

[onyx vapor]

thanks!

[remote ferry]

Also this

This was the last version that I worked on

It has a system on it that prevents it from rotating when being moved but allows it to be rotated when holding still

It was ultimately deemed unviable because of several reasons, but maybe you can do something with it

We are really close to figuring it out tho and then we will package it up and release it publicly

[thorny isle]

ima be honest, didn't think inside colliders had a use until that physbone canny

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666699982404976672/968712440357486592/VRChat_I2NfNVi15t.mp4

now i just cant live without
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666699982404976672/967625922092077087/t3j3RdXlha.mp4

[flat palm]

you know. i never thought of a use for them before

gj!

[noble ivy]

ok i officially don

't understand colliders

[simple elk]

zero radius on your bones

well low, make em bigger

[noble ivy]

Thank you I'll try that next

[remote chasm]

what bone should i have my tail parented to? should i make a new bone?

[steel thistle]

Most of the time: Hips

[remote chasm]

these pelvis bones?

[steel thistle]

Yes

[remote chasm]

oki cool

so do i just set up the pysbone component to both of the bones the exact same?

[steel thistle]

Which bones? It isn't the tail a single chain?

[remote chasm]

yeah it is

am i supposed to set up the pysbone on the root of the tail?

i thought it was whatever its parented to

[steel thistle]

Usually to where you want the physbones to start effecting, which is the tail root

[remote chasm]

alright cool

[bleak light]

https://twitter.com/sika_VRChat/status/1518879114899628032?t=h_iktg-MvAchOn4yY9mY9Q&s=19
anyone have any idea how they managed to get their entire head to be a physbone? I thought that just broke your armature?

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[flat palm]

beat me to it

[simple elk]

Thats contacts + parameter that tells it to scale/do stuff , not a physbone

notice they arent grabbing anything, but touching

[bleak light]

thats quite neat

i love phys bones so much aha

[noble ivy]

i must be missing something. i enlarged the skirt bones but it still does the same thing

oh wait that's not the value i put in i must have edited it in play mode

okay radius is 0.03 and it's still doing it

[simple elk]

way bigger , add curve to get a teardrop shape

[flat palm]

oo never thought of using a curve, thats awesome

[noble ivy]

Ooooooh awesome

[queen gust]

i love that sheathable blade, would you mind showing me how you made it, i would really like to replicate this kind of effect

(i was with sipp at the party last time when you showed it off a little, that's why)

[thorny peak]

I have a physbone problem

This avatar has 2 symmetrical pigtails, both with the same physbone settings, and yet one of them really wants to be thrown over the shoulder and i do not know why

I have already tried the following:

• Checking the config
• Turning off Allow Collision
• Disabling colliders in the avatar descriptor

Among other stuff, but I can't really remember

[austere hazel]

Does anyone know how to add the premade colliders to a physbone?

Or are they added by default?

[thorny peak]

Go to the avatar descriptor and scroll to the bottom, then find the colliders drop down

[thorny isle]

yes, if you have Allow Collision checked on your physbone

[thorny peak]

you can change the size and position of the default colliders, or disable them

[austere hazel]

Where can i locate them?

[thorny peak]

.

[thorny isle]

i can attempt, but i’m not a tutorial person

[austere hazel]

I assume these?

[thorny peak]

yes

[austere hazel]

So i guess it would be benefitial to have the head to be custom, so i can select what bones it interacts with?

[thorny peak]

i don't know if that's hw it works

[flat palm]

i didnt see this and its absolutely awesome! would also be interested

[queen gust]

that's fine, i just wanna know the basic of how it works

may i dm you?

[flat palm]

i only saw the first post with the meat haha

[thorny peak]

If anyone can give some suggestions on how to fix this i would be very happy

[thorny isle]

yeah, but i’m in class currently so it’ll be a bit before i can respond

[simple elk]

yes

There used to be self collision tag, but that poofed from sdk

My friend has a bird av , had to turn that off or his hands would interact constantly with the feathers thats inside the hand, could just disable them but then he cant interact with others

[lofty walrus]

Hey guys, any idea why PB won't work on my hair? Everything looks parented properly in blender

[simple elk]

got end point + radius ?

[lofty walrus]

oh shit... the end points.

[simple elk]

it requires min 2 bones/whatever

[lofty walrus]

forgot about those. Funny how some done need them

[simple elk]

gameobjects can be used too

[lofty walrus]

let me set up and test again.

[lofty walrus]

yup... endpoints. Totally forgot

thanks

[obtuse wharf]

So I purchased this model, and when I try to upload it using the original 3.0sdk (original as I’m not the one that’s released not using physbones/before physbones), the hair comes out wonky like this. The model is using dynamic bones plugin. Im not sure why it’s acting like this. The dynamic bones work, but the hair that’s floating up shouldn’t be doing that. Her hair and dynamic bones act as expected in Unity when play tested but after sdk export and test in vrchat she’s buggy

[flat palm]

do you have conversion to physbones on in your vrc settings?

[obtuse wharf]

I’m actually not sure.. if that’s on by default then I probably do & don’t know how to toggle it off. I’m new to VRChat atm

[flat palm]

it is, its in the safety settings somewhere i believe, just keep in mind physbones are the default now

https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/u9whsn/dynamic_bones_to_physbones_converter/i5u6sy9/

found this thread that might help ya

[obtuse wharf]

Tysm! I’ll give it a read

[lofty walrus]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/avatar-dynamics-reports-and-feedback/p/1181-add-option-to-ignore-collisions-with-root-for-better-db-conversion

[noble temple]

So question.. I know there are the orbs that use the World Constraints.. has anyone made any alternative with the Physbones?

[sage sail]

@steel thistle Sure, sorry about that

[steel thistle]

It could be something that we're missing about what physbone doesn't allow animation to do

[sage sail]

That may be it, something undocumented about Phys Bones

[steel thistle]

very edge case it is

[steel thistle]

btw, how many bones are on one wing?

[sage sail]

72 bones per wing. 3 "arm bones" and 69 feather bones

nice

[steel thistle]

Curious about one thing, if without translation movement on animation, do the wings have holes exact like when physbone is on?

[sage sail]

For anyone wondering where this conversation came from, phys bones has messed up my wings by misaligning them and showing feather clipping and holes where there shouldn't be. This wasn't an issue until this update.

The wings use both transform and rotation on a blend tree

We tested using all three limits, angel, hinge and pivot, to no apparent change.

Is Animated is checked

Collision is set yo be extremely small, and when removed does not solve the issue

We tried resetting the armature's pose in the rigging configuration, and then enforcing T-Pose, to no apparent change

The rest position of the avatar is the same in blender and in Unity and in VRChat. This only happens on moving the wings that have phys bones (or dynamic bones) components

[sage sail]

I can try something

This is what it looks like without translations. Gonna try in game

[fringe iron]

How would you make a dagger/sword that you can switch from right side up to pointing down? I've seen a couple showcases of this, but never knew how I'd accomplish it!

[steel thistle]

Looks similar I think?

[sage sail]

Yeah, was thinking the same thing, and the blendtree also has some resemblance to the issues I am having

I think in-game, it looks the same, if not a little worse