avatar-help

[foggy tiger]

Not home

But also I posted pics earlier I'll resend em

It's right at 0,0,0 in blender

[junior void]

First picture actually looks fine to me

Second one not so much

[foggy tiger]

First is with the mesh and armature moved up, but in vrchat both of them are treated the same

6cm thru the floor

[frail vessel]

yooo, does anybody know why my version of unity wont allow android support? i downloaded the android support but it wont workkk

[junior void]

Did you override the original fbx with the edit from pic 1?

[foggy tiger]

If I move just the mesh up I'm not in the floor but then all the bones are messed up obviously bc I didn't move the armature

[foggy tiger]

Yes

Both with and without apply all transforms in the exports

Not the ctrl + a tho

Just got home

[timid kite]

"Use Select Rejected Loose Parts to solve the issue."

how do i find those rejected loose parts?

[junior void]

The Ctrl a method is what I've used for over a year and I have a furry model out on my store and it doesn't have that issue

I never relied on that as export setting

[foggy tiger]

The nardo doesn't have this issue at all either

So I'm completely clueless

[junior void]

Give it a go?

[foggy tiger]

Yea one sec

Gotta restart my pc rq it's bugging out

Rn this is how the model is

I moved the origin down instead of the mesh/armature

Should I set that back to 0,0,0 and move the mesh and armature instead?

then ctrl +a

[junior void]

The feet need to be up at the red line

It's your floor

[foggy tiger]

I thought the origin was teh floor

Wtf

[balmy barn]

0.0.0 is , below isnt

[junior void]

Just treat it as floor and set the model accordingly to how you expect it to stand, then zero out transforms

[foggy tiger]

The origin isn't at the red line right now

[foggy tiger]

So put the origin back there and redo the moving of the mesh and armature?

[junior void]

Just select the armature and drag the model up so the feet are on the red line

Then reevaluate

[foggy tiger]

Yeah but what about the origin? I have been told for 2 days straight that it's important

[junior void]

We do that next

[somber sequoia]

is the checkbox for android greyed out, or is there some other error? Provide details

[junior void]

The 'apply all transforms' option WILL MOVE THE ORIGIN

hence why you do that after

[foggy tiger]

Ooooh, okay

[somber sequoia]

yeah, I've never touched that export setting either

[junior void]

Also apply transforms on armature AND mesh

In order

[foggy tiger]

I'm up a little high but this is where I"m at

[junior void]

You can check the transforms when you open the n panel also

Can try that

Looks excessive but hey

[foggy tiger]

well vrchat seeming moves it down by like 1 maybe 1.25 cm

And before 5cm was at teh ground so I put 6 this time to account for vrchat

Anyways now I just export it back?

[tropic sierra]

Hi is there Anyone that can help me lear how to fix eyes

[junior void]

Yup

[tropic sierra]

You can?

[junior void]

Talking to the other person

[tropic sierra]

Oh sorry

[foggy tiger]

Does the same stuff in play mode

vs out of play mode

[junior void]

Can you add a plane at 0 0 so it's easier to see

[foggy tiger]

Idk how

but also the camera was at the same spot and you can tell by where the rgb arrows are

[junior void]

Also, please describe how you got it into unity

[somber sequoia]

depends on what's wrong with them, of course.

[junior void]

Ik you exported but sometimes ppl save the fix on desktop, then drag it into unity

That would be incorrect and the reason why

[foggy tiger]

2 is actually the default fbx, I made the other one as a backup of the original model

FBX All breaks this avatar

It's backwards but I do what works (which is All Local)

[tropic sierra]

They cant move and im pretty new to this

[foggy tiger]

Haven't tried all global

[tropic sierra]

It the physbone in the eyes

[junior void]

I don't think I use space transforms. Not sure what that does ngl

[somber sequoia]

physbone?

[foggy tiger]

That's on by default and I've never been told to disable it

[tropic sierra]

I think im not sure

It just they dont move

[foggy tiger]

I think this issue has something to do with the unity side of things

purely a guess tho

[balmy barn]

map eyebones in avatar descriptor (be sure they are pointed up from blender)

[somber sequoia]

show the eye section in your VRC Avatar Descriptor

[junior void]

If you drag a new fbx to scene and give it a avatar descriptor, does it do the same?

[tropic sierra]

In blender?

[foggy tiger]

I used the scene to set up the avatar

[tropic sierra]

Or unity?

[somber sequoia]

that's a Unity component. We assume that if you pose the eyes in Blender, the eye mesh rotates with those bones.

if not, go there first

[foggy tiger]

So I don't know if dragging a new fbx will fix it

[tropic sierra]

How to fix in unity?

[somber sequoia]

again, we don't know what the problem is yet

[junior void]

Worth a try.

[foggy tiger]

Yeah it does the same with a new fbx

in vs out of play mode

[junior void]

Can we please see the n panel of the armature in blender

[foggy tiger]

?

[tropic sierra]

Exemple

[somber sequoia]

The "Item" tab I assume

[tropic sierra]

This model dont move

[junior void]

Ye

[tropic sierra]

This one does

[somber sequoia]

these pictures are not helpful, sorry

[tropic sierra]

I see

[foggy tiger]

It's just bones?

[junior void]

Not that

[somber sequoia]

That is the outliner.

[foggy tiger]

idk what an n tab is

[junior void]

Put mouse in scene, hit n

Or the tiny arrow on the left there

[somber sequoia]

that teeny tiny arrow that's very hard to click on 🙂

[foggy tiger]

Oh u just wanted the stuff below that

[junior void]

Ok that looks good. Now with the mesh please

[foggy tiger]

It's the same

[junior void]

That's interesting

I love hard to crack cases

[foggy tiger]

It's just an old model

[junior void]

Sadly I've got to go sleep. I have 5 hours left x.x

[foggy tiger]

The SDK or Unity must've handled some settings differently back when it was lastupdated

Idk

if the creator had a discord I'd be able to message em about it bc I highly doubt they'll respond on twitter

[junior void]

Idk

Kinda wanna fiddle with this myself but I ain't buying it to fix it for someone else and never use it lel

[lofty bane]

Hello, I am looking for possibly an addon or a breakdown to achieve something.
Is there a way to get eye axis rotation states in float states? (something like horizontal and vertical)
I want to figure out a way to get float values out of eye gazing states so I can do a texture scrolling effect on a character eyes

[foggy tiger]

I can just let you have my model to fix and then I could pay you or smthn for the service

[junior void]

Pretty sure the TOS of the model don't allow just giving it to ppl

Else it would be available for free

[somber sequoia]

There's no direct way, but some people have put a contact sender on the eye bone, and then receivers to the sides to try to detect rotation based on proximity

I was considering doing this at one point but ended up not putting in the effort

[lofty bane]

damn I was hoping this wasn't necessary, it's a bit tricky placing receivers in specific locations

[somber sequoia]

Yep

[lofty bane]

it would be much easier if the game simply had float states for eye rotation axes

[somber sequoia]

I think there's feature request for that in canny, I vaguely remember +1ing it

[viral elbow]

hii everyone so im new to the avatar makeing? retexture stuff and i have no clue how to do texures

[timid kite]

how in the hell did this dress mesh end up inside the armature?

[foggy tiger]

Fair, but it's kinda dumb that I can't just give just the model to someone to fix

[lofty bane]

https://samdutter.gumroad.com/l/VRCEyeParameters
Oh it seems somebody did an approach

[foggy tiger]

It's not like I'm handing the entire avatar over

All the unity stuff like materials and textures and animations stays in unity

[somber sequoia]

oh very nice!

[viral elbow]

can someone help?

[somber sequoia]

with what specifically? This works best if you ask specific questions.

[viral elbow]

what do i use to retexure?

i know i sound dumb

with furry avis

[somber sequoia]

whatever image program you want, if you want to work in 2D

[viral elbow]

ahh okie

thankieeeee

[somber sequoia]

check to see if your avatar of choice came with files for some specific program, like Photoshop or Substance Painter - if so maybe use those

[viral elbow]

okie

[feral steppe]

question, how does the newer upload system work with android and pc? ik it's like a checkbox now instead of uploading the pc version of an avatar and then switching the build to android and uploading the quest version

[viral elbow]

thats something im wanting to know too

[somber sequoia]

it just does that old action for you

[feral steppe]

but how? when I uncheck android to upload to pc it uploads fine, then I uncheck pc and it unuploads the pc version and makes it quest only

[viral elbow]

that odd

[wispy moon]

when exporting an fbx from blender, im noticing subtle differences from the source avatar. such as the "shadow" or "transparent" materials on certain avi's hair isnt there anymore

simple export issue, ignore

[gilded vector]

What can i do to make syncing VFX to audio easier? i have an animation ready but its not in sync because i cant tell where certian audio cues play, is there a tool i can download thatll visualize it on the animation bar or smth?

[shadow bough]

Hello, I am curious on how to make the avatar details on a avatar not show when uploading like for example, I have three different outfits and a cage on the avatar but it SHOWS up when i click my avatar details, revealing the bundled mess....can someone please help me...

[dusk pebble]

does anyone know how to prevent an armature scaled in blender from messing with how it's imported into unity?
i've been trying to resolve this issue with a friend for a few hours now and nothing seems to help,, we've tried re-exporting with various different options, and messing with the armature prior to exporting, but it still resulted in weird stretching!
removing all transforms from the armature in blender results in the same stretching that happens in unity.. so there's that

any help would be appreciated

[somber sequoia]

ideally, apply all transforms to all objects in blender before exporting, export with "apply scalings" set to "FBX All", and in Unity, if you've overwritten an older .fbx, redo the rig setup by setting it to generic, apply, then back to humanoid and doing the usual process.

[dusk pebble]

how do you apply the transforms?

[somber sequoia]

select objects, ctrl+a, "all transforms"

that's likely your issue if you scaled objects in Blender

[dusk pebble]

oh, well, that did something, but at least it isnt stretched weirdly

ill test it now

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what that image is showing

oh you've got the bones as squares, looks like you have the armature and mesh object scalings different

[unkempt wren]

Hey can someone help me?

how can I make the breast smaller on an avatar ?

On unity

[dusk pebble]

ok i scaled the mesh and re-applied, that fixed the issue!! thank you!

[somber sequoia]

Excellent!

[sand verge]

I'm getting failed to upload again, no reason

[spark walrus]

click them. so the mesh highlights. on the right side, in the mesh renderer, find blendshapes. see if there is a blendshape to lower it. if there isn't, check the armature. if the boobs are weighted and have their own bones, you can scale down their size. sometimes, clothes do not have their chest area weighted to bones and so the boobs might become smaller but the clothes remain large. unless the clothes also have either blendshapes or bones weighted, they'd have to be taken to blender.

[dark jay]

how do i have meshes shrink to hide it without it stretching like mesh weight breaking

[night ember]

you shrink it to the weighted bone

[dark jay]

im just shrinkin the mesh not bone

[unkempt wren]

Thank Yaa

[night ember]

yes and?

[dark jay]

im hiding it so i can have another outfit mesh

but i didnt think to do it before ive worked on it on unity

[night ember]

then shrink the vertices of the mesh to the bone its weighted to?

visemes dont take the whole mesh into account
all the viseme sees is a vertice moving to another value laterally

[dark jay]

this happens

[night ember]

each vertice needs to be brought to the center of the bone its weighted to

otherwise its at an offset

[dark jay]

confused

then do i still do it in blender? or in unity

[night ember]

blender?

you cant edit meshes in unity

[dark jay]

i did do that

[night ember]

but you didnt

[dark jay]

i did

i shrunk the mesh in blender

im litterly in blender rn

[night ember]

good job? did you shrink each part to the respective bone its weighted to?

[dark jay]

i shrunk the mesh that i wanted to shrink

[night ember]

shrunk how

[dark jay]

scale tool

[night ember]

yes but H O W

[dark jay]

i wanted to make it as small as a dot

with the scale tool

and just shrunk it down

[night ember]

so you in fact didnt do what I just said

you do know how the weights and visemes work yes?

[spark walrus]

bone toggles seems what you want. If in Unity, the shirt has its own bones and isn't sharing weight paint with the body/etc, you can move the bones/gameobjects so they become a child object of their bodypart. in blender, with a shirt, you'd seperate the shirt so it has its own bones. they would be parented to the bone for their body part. so, leftarm_body, leftarm_shirt, the last is parented to leftarm_body. leftelbow_body, leftelbow_shirt and parent it to leftelbow_body. Then when each shirt bone is shrunk, it is shrunk where its respective parent is, and become a very thin line hidden beneath the body. the very thin line can't be removed, but it won't be going from elbow to neck if it's parented in this way I described.

[dark jay]

yes

[night ember]

the mesh isnt manipulated by the weights how you think

its the individual vertices

which happen to have faces attached to them to create said mesh

visemes just offset each vertice

[dark jay]

im shrinking the hole leg

[night ember]

which is dragging all the vertices to 1 location

not to each weighted bone

so if the bone rotates

its just going to move that vertice

[dark jay]

its one mesh on each side howe would i even do that

its not seperated

[night ember]

by shrinking it to each bone?

you arent forced to shrink it to a singular dot

[dark jay]

i get that but its connected not seperate meshes

[night ember]

and?

[dark jay]

so it streches when shrunk in 2 different parts of one mesh

[night ember]

no?

[night ember]

thats not "stretching"

[dark jay]

it is

[dark jay]

ok

[night ember]

that is in fact shrinking

[dark jay]

should have explained/showed it better then trying to help in a rude way not everyone is as smart as u

🤓

[night ember]

its not exactly my problem that rather than trying what I explained you just went ahead and denied it on the assumption it wouldnt work

[dark jay]

i apologize if im a little annoyed

[somber sequoia]

Unity is annoying 🙂

[night ember]

indeed

[dark jay]

ok

[night ember]

you just shrink it down by sections

cause otherwise itll just move with the bone with with an exaggerated offset

[dark jay]

i want to shrink invisible it

[night ember]

which isnt exactly possible

if it had no weights or weighted entirely to 1 bone then it could

there is no different between "shrunk invisible" and just hiding it inside the mesh

[plucky moth]

Can someone help me
Modify the tail on an avi

[left gull]

better to explain what you need help modifying then vague posting

DPS is NSFW so cant really get help with it in here

what's ur issue with the tail though?

[plucky moth]

Can't get it done correctly on my laptop

Its also crashing my laptop 😭

[left gull]

if you're trying to find someone to do the work for you go to VRCTraders (link in #1204490664637890580 ) but if you're willing to try and do it yourself can you explain what "cant get it done" means a bit better?

like the exact issue/what you've been attempting to do

[elder nova]

So uh anyone know how to fix sdk errors retaining to the avatar builder

[somber sequoia]

paste the first 2-3 errors in here

just the summaries is fine

[burnt rain]

hey so i think im stupid
im trying to convert a vroid to vrchat and im following red-sensei's tutorial and it says to hit the 'vrm' tab, and i used the vrc creator companion and its not there? 😭

anyone good at unity wanna help an idiot out rq?

[hard hatch]

so idk if this is even applicable for this server, but does anyone know why my mesh is showing up like this in substance painter?

I figure it's maybe something to do with blender, but im honestly so unsure what could be causing this

Like the helmet it microscopic in SP

but the faceplate is a normal size for some reason

im getting this message, however, but I still don't even know what this means

[somber sequoia]

probably got some n-gons it doesn't know what to do with

[mighty basin]

how do i go about rigging clothes specifically shorts and any bottom wear

[foggy tiger]

My mouth is stuck open in play mode

I checked to see if it was an animation controlling it, I checked if maybe the lipsync or eye look settings were messed up. All the bones are mapped right in the actual avatar part of the model.

[somber sequoia]

if you have a jaw bone mapped, don't.

[foggy tiger]

Yeah it auto mapped it

Thx

Misclicked armature instead of none

[cunning bobcat]

Quick question, but does the _Stretch parameter for a PhysBone need to be added to the expressions list to be synced or nah?

[severe crown]

anyone who runs kipfel avatar know how to delete the pupils everytime when im in gesture manage they come back

[ornate stump]

It's from face emote animations so you have to find those animation clips and remove the blendshape animation from them.

[stoic bobcat]

for some reason, some of my toggles wont activate. I added some prop toggles now all of the sudden my body toggles just wont work

they only broke when I added the props

[timber wharf]

@cunning bobcat no, only in animator

@stoic bobcat we need more info like screenshots of your setup

[stoic bobcat]

I fixed it

Just unity being unity

[lime knoll]

Where i can find a admin vrc ? I have a video of a french guy transophobique

[ornate stump]

#moderation-reports

[torn crypt]

Is is possible on laptop?

[proven quail]

You can either edit all the facial animations, or just create an animation with the pupil hide set to 100, and create a layer on the FX, and drag the animation on that layer (set the layer weight to full) that should override the facial animations

[proven quail]

Depends on the specs of your laptop. My laptop runs unity and blender fine, but if I remember it has quite a bit of ram as it was bought for programming

[torn crypt]

I tried in my laptop once but it didn't work, since then I'm using my Pc

[plucky moth]

Just found out unfortunately not

[torn crypt]

Well your laptop is not well enough to make it work ig

[quasi folio]

So I made a gesture toggle, but when I do it, other people can’t see it

I turned on syncing for it in the animator, that doesn’t do anything, what should I do?

[quasi folio]

Is it something to do with the particle itself?

[torn crypt]

You need to put the toggle parameter in your Avatar’s Expression Parameters and mark it as Synced. Then make your animator use that parameter. Just turning on “Sync” inside Unity’s Animator does nothing in VRChat.

[quasi folio]

Okay, to clarify

With the tutorial I followed, they didn’t make a parameter for the gesture toggle, just a layer, should I just make a Bool parameter with the same name as the layer?

[torn crypt]

the layer name doesn’t matter.
What matters is the parameter your toggle uses.

If your gesture toggle animation is controlled by a Bool, Int, or Float in the Animator, that is what needs to be in your Expression Parameters.

[quasi folio]

Oh, wait, okay

I think I understand

[ornate stump]

Double check for total max particle count. Everyone has particle max count set to limit to 50k by default. Above that, particle system will never be get enabled on their side. Total is sum of every particle system in your avatar.

[quasi folio]

I put my limits low, 50-100 at most

[quasi folio]

Also, it worked, thank you!

[plain zenith]

Hey guys
Im trying to upload avatar but everytime im getting this error
There is no information what to do

[ornate stump]

#avatar-help message

[torn crypt]

It's just a basic error that means your avatar upload failed czn Sdk hit an error
this these step, these should fix it
Log out and back into the VRChat SDK.
Update the SDK in Creator Companion.
Use the correct unity version.

[jade urchin]

hey hey, I am trying to add a money spread (item / prefab?) to my avatar, but for some reason I keep getting these 2 errors and I do not know how to fix them. Could anyone please help?

from what I've noticed, changing the name of the items inside the prefab makes these 2 go away, but then a bunch others pop up because they cannot find the original files which are now named "Left Hand Money" and not "Arm Spread Left".

[still shuttle]

Try contacting the creator of the prefab, they may be able to help you

[jade urchin]

thank you, will try just that.

[severe crown]

I’ll be honest I have no Idea where to go to start any of that

[nova flicker]

Is there a way to test locomotion in unity ? I am trying to edit a custom walking & running animation into my locomotion template but I don’t wanna test & upload in vrchat alll the time.

[balmy barn]

av3 should have bunch of stuff

dont think ive ever tested locomotion tho (fbt)

same as gesture manager, dont see a testing looping animations

[frail vessel]

Yes its greyes out, even when I go into project setting I csnt switch to android

[somber sequoia]

if it's greyed out then probably you don't have the android build support installed.

[frail vessel]

Ive installed it 4 times now

And it doesnt work

[somber sequoia]

weird, I'm not sure what to suggest from here

[frail vessel]

Yeahh ive been trying for a while now

[visual vault]

any idea why i cant upload ?

[somber sequoia]

looks like the API didn't respond

[visual vault]

yea seems reopening the project fixed it so nvm (x appreciate tho

[edgy jay]

Cant make a new Unity Project, this is what the logs say. Anyone know how to fix this? </3

[vernal pecan]

Is there a way to adjust avatar's bones ingame by animations, for example, make head bigger, hips vider, etc.

cause animations won't record scale of humanoid bones, and wont play if i add them as properties

just resets back to 1 on preview

oh.. looks like it works tru the size constraint

but it's constantly fighting to be 1 and 2 and head's size is flicking

[vernal pecan]

not working ingame, looks like head size is forced to 1

[tardy fulcrum]

Hey guys

Can someone make an avatar for me possibly

[somber sequoia]

you should go to the VRC Traders discord to commission someone, you'll just find scammers here.
Link is in #1204490664637890580

[balmy barn]

avatar = empty skeleton and actual avatar/mesh constrained to it - you can scale that one

[obtuse tartan]

So: If anyone could give me a response but currently I am not at my current pc for avi work.

I recently had to change over my sdk; which I have to do manually.

I seem to have done everything correctly but i get errors along the line of 'missing end/entry points' for the sdk packaging. Current ETA until I get to my pc is 5-ish hours.

[hexed knoll]

Is there a way to make the spikes model without using transparency

[night ember]

knife tool

[hexed knoll]

What’s that

[night ember]

cut the mesh

[hexed knoll]

Ah ok

But is there a way to only selected the transparent parts

[night ember]

the knife tool

cut along the edge of the texture

[hexed knoll]

Ok thx

[astral otter]

i need helping

everytime i go upload some avatar it does not upload

i treid seeing if it was missing script everythin

it wont upload

[sage folio]

hello can anyone help me i keep trying to upload a avatar and it just keeps building

[alpine jay]

does anyone have an actual face tracking set up guide the doc literally doesn't help at all

[indigo compass]

There are two components to face tracking, the blendshapes and the prefab allowing the blendshapes to be run over OSC.
The blendshape have standardized naming so any prefab will work on any avatar base if the model already has blendshapes added to it.

This is one of the prefabs, kind of the default prefab but with recent updates to VRCFT you probably don't want to use any others that may be weighed https://github.com/Adjerry91/VRCFaceTracking-Templates

If you are talking setting up blendshapes then that's a whole different question

For blendshapes you should read this https://docs.vrcft.io/docs/tutorial-avatars/tutorial-avatars-extras/unified-blendshapes

[astral otter]

what abt upload issues

[somber sequoia]

which issues/

[indigo compass]

Post pictures of the error from the log at the bottom of Unity (not the expanded view of it, just the several errors that are there, preferably the first one in the list)

[astral otter]

i dont even know myself because its every single avatar i try to upload it just fails

i auto fixed and everything

[somber sequoia]

as stated, we can't help without seeing some detail, error messages especially.

[astral otter]

ye one sec

[alpine jay]

the head im using has the arkit blendshapes and i have the jerrys template im just wondering if theres additional set up or if its like other things with vrcfury where its drag and drop

[indigo compass]

It is drag and drop

[alpine jay]

okay thank you

[indigo compass]

The head has to be named body though I think?
Forget what the prefab targets, but it doesn't just know that a head mesh has shapes on it.

Ah sorry, "Body"

Although in that case https://github.com/Adjerry91/VRCFaceTracking-Templates/wiki/Face-Tracking-Template-Setup#additional-setup---non-standard-mesh-names

[astral otter]

ok so for this one (the others dont do this error)

its making new prefabs

[indigo compass]

Well somewhere you appear to have missing scripts.

Could be in a prefab

[astral otter]

yeah and i keep checking but i cant find them

does hidden poiy count

[indigo compass]

Polygon count does not stop uploading and shouldn't break it.
If you have simply disabled an object though then it isn't actually "disabled" you have to properly remove it for it to not be attempted to be built.

[balmy barn]

whatever that is

[astral otter]

finds missings scripts

it works too

[balmy barn]

why do you need it , unity will yell at you even without that

its a year+ old

delete it, you dont need it

[somber sequoia]

yeah I wa wondering what that is

[balmy barn]

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/integration/missing-script-finder-278262#content

if a script is missing location is one way to figure out whats ment to be there or read whatever avatar you got requires

[astral otter]

cuz i suck at finding them all and that tool deletes them all for me

[balmy barn]

console tells you where when you try to build

not the first time ive seen that script causing errors

[astral otter]

i deleted it just in case

[astral otter]

the more i learn tho

appreciate that info

so it was that file you mentioned messing everything

[round quiver]

is there a way to replace a modal with the slightly edited version of it while keeping all of its setting on like its phybones and toggles?

[somber sequoia]

if you didn't unpack the avatar prefab, you can just overwrite the .fbx file with the same export parameters

if you did unpack.... nope.

but you can deal with that still too, Pumkin's tools is a big help

[round quiver]

ill give it a try

[night ember]

if you used a prefab (I forgot if its varient or just prefab) then thatd also be disconnected from the fbx and wont sync if its updated

[round quiver]

I think I did it wrong I overwaited the fbx file with my own and the avatar just disappeared

[somber sequoia]

yeah that can happen, make sure you use the same export settings as before, notably "apply scalings" - it should be "FBX All" unless you know it should be set to something else.

[round quiver]

kk ill try that

ok so I have the unedited avatar in unity and I have the fbx of the edited one do I just overwrite the unedited fbx with the edited one in file explorer?

[night ember]

thats how you overwrite files yes

[round quiver]

it just disappeared again

[night ember]

then its unpacked

[round quiver]

so I need to unpack it to get it to work?

[night ember]

no?

unpacking is what broke it

[round quiver]

oh I read that wrong im sorry

[night ember]

unpacking it detaches it from whatever files

[round quiver]

so I should pack them to get them to work???

[night ember]

you cant repack it

youd need to drag it into the scene again

[round quiver]

but then I would have to reput on the phybones and toggles which is what im trying to avoid

[somber sequoia]

you can use pumkin's tools to do that, as I said

[round quiver]

oh alright I installed it

[somber sequoia]

basically if your avatar is unpacked, you don't have a choice but to copy stuff to a new one

[round quiver]

😭 that sucks it has so many phybones thank you for the help though

[somber sequoia]

yep, it can be annoying

[autumn schooner]

has any one else been having creator companion failing to create project template errors?

[hoary crane]

I'm curious how you get fur like this in Blender. Is there some kind of trick for it?

[somber sequoia]

some people use geometry nodes these days

[hoary crane]

That's for thinner hair though

[somber sequoia]

I don't see why it'd be limited

[crisp trail]

Anyone know good guides for facial expressions. I'm working on the shape keys and would like to know how they are set up

[young wharf]

Yes i have! I did some digging and it says my unity editor has a security issue i cant seem to figure out how to fix it

[neat lake]

hey I want to retexture a avatar I bought a while ago, but I have no clue what I am doing

[somber sequoia]

that's fine - this doesn't affect us, you can ignore it

[elder nova]

ok so everytime i make an avatar i get the same error that refuses to let me upload and i dont know how to contact anyone abt it

[somber sequoia]

is it the same network error thing? You could submit a support ticket maybe

[elder nova]

dm me cause the error is LONG

[somber sequoia]

yeah not happening.

[young wharf]

So if that doesn’t affect us then why won’t my creator companion build my projects? I assumed it was this because everything else on my creator companion looks fine

It wasn’t until I got this security issue to do with my editor that my creator companion stopped working

[somber sequoia]

Creator companion has nothing to do with building projects, it's just a package manager.

That said, feel free to paste build errors here, we can't help without some detail

[elder nova]

k i can just post it here then if you need the error

[somber sequoia]

all you need to post is the summary, unless specifically asked for the full detail

[young wharf]

I don’t mean the actual avatar being built within unity I mean, setting up the project in creator companion itself

[somber sequoia]

#creator-companion perhaps

[young wharf]

I go to name my avatar and click to create the project and it does nothing and gives me a message to check my error logs

[somber sequoia]

I don't use it, so can't help further

[elder nova]

IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
VRC.SDK3A.Editor.VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.GetAvatarFromSceneIdentifier (System.String identifier) (at ./Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Editor/VRCSDK/SDK3A/VRCSdkControlPanelAvatarBuilder.cs:206)

[somber sequoia]

ah yes, that one, so not useful. Maybe try reinstalling the SDK?

maybe delete the project's Library folder while Unity is closed and let it rebuild on start. I'm just guessing from here, that's VRChat's code so maybe a support ticket may help

[somber sequoia]

Hmmm not entirely sure yet, but I've got a SDK 3.10.1 avatar here with physbones that seem to be able to be posed, despite that option not enabled. Anyone else noticed it?

ugh, canny's search is so useless

[hasty plover]

Anyone know what caused my characters mouth to split when I deleted the faces? I’ve been watching rainhets vr chat model tutorial to make this. And I’m currently using blender

[crystal prairie]

I wanted to try on some avatars to wear, and when I clicked on one it kicked me out of the game and now it’s not letting me join back every time I do my screen goes black and kicks me from the game

[somber sequoia]

login to the website and switch to a different avatar

[crystal prairie]

Ok thank you

[hard python]

Any advice on how to fix this weird shading? I suspect it's a Unity issue because it looks perfectly fine when importing the avatar's .FBX into a new Blender file

It's probably some stupidly easy fix that I forgot to tick since it's been a long while since using Unity and following generic set-up tutorials on YouTube doesn't seem to have helped

[crisp trail]

did you recalculate the normals?

it could be that judging by the shading issues

[hard python]

Nope, don't think I did

[crisp trail]

go into blender hit either Shift n or control n

i forgot the exact hotkey

[hard python]

Shift + N I think to recalc normals

Doesn't seem to have fixed the issue unfortunately

I think this might be a blendshape issue, turning any of them on affects the entire model's shading for some odd reason

[wanton cedar]

Have you checked what way the faces are?

[junior void]

try different normals mode in unity import settings

ie. legacy etc

[hard python]

Where might I find those different normal modes?

[junior void]

"model" tab

[hard python]

ah.

[hard python]

Okay, the first issue of the entire model's shading getting wacky after one blendshape getting tweaked has been fixed after changing the Blend Shape Normals to the "Import" setting instead of "Calculate"

Problem now is that it's introduced a new issue, the affected blendshapes now look like this instead of smooth

[junior void]

did you try legacy yet

[hard python]

Yep, doesn't get affected by the different Normal Modes

[junior void]

whats your blender export settings under normals section

[junior void]

try smoothing face instead

[hard python]

Oh my god that actually fixed it, hallelujah

Thank you so much for the assist, y'all are lifesavers 🙏

[harsh thicket]

does someone knows a tool to deep copy assets?
If i wannt use stuff from VR-Labs, modify it, and then keep things shareable.

[junior void]

make a new prefab from edited source?

[harsh thicket]

this still would break the internal asset references

I think thise VRLab instancer could maybe help.
I test this later

[junior void]

i dont see how but ok

[harsh thicket]

If you copy a asset folder, the new assets in the new folde, still have references to the original

[junior void]

i never said to copy any folders

i suggested making a new prefab from the edited asset, which creates a new instance

[harsh thicket]

yes this is corrent. But I need a new folder in my case, otherwise I cannot share things.
This might break other peoples projects

[junior void]

why do you need the exact folder

you can tell people that x package is a dependency of your edit

this is done all over the place and people are used to it

[harsh thicket]

this depends, on how deeply I need to modify the original (VRLab) to fit my needs

If it can be left in unmodified, yes

[junior void]

you can still just make a prefab and distribute your edited files with it, but the standard files people can get as dependency from the official download

you dont need to include all vrlabs files, meaning also unedited stuff

itll just slow you later as every vrlabs update, you then have to update your files and republish

anyway im not here to convince you. do what you want

[opal relic]

I have just made a copy of the folder of an avatar and have the project open, yet I readded the descriptor and it shows the same info as the original copy. What do I do to be able to upload this as its own avatar?

[harsh thicket]

you need click "detach" button in the Pipline manager script on the avatar root.
If your avatar is already uploaded there should be a ID visible

[opal relic]

Can you show me an example? I have no idea where that is.

Looks like you haven't set your avatar as a humanoid rig, which is required for your avatar to work.

Click on the fbx listed in the file browser of your project, go to rig under the inspector, change animation type to humanoid, apply, then configure. Double check to see if the bones are corresponding to the correct slots. If Unity says it's not in a T-pose, scroll down, go to pose, then force t-pose. @plain mural

[ornate stump]

Also non-humanoid rig will make it missing Additive and Gesture layer.

[opal relic]

my hunch precisely ^

[harsh thicket]

is should be next to the avatar descriptor

[opal relic]

@harsh thicket Oh wait I found it! I clicked detach. Is that all? Will it generate a new separate ID once I upload it?

[harsh thicket]

yes

it will be a new avatar in vrc's eyes and database

[opal relic]

Awesome, thank you so much!

[junior void]

this is the reason why you dont get a gesture layer

[wanton cedar]

How do i make an animation switch from one material to the next, for like face static before changing to the actual expression? I have the animation set to not loop, but it loops when i toggle it. Im also trying to put audio into the toggle, but it wont even make noise half of the time, and if it does, it just repeats

[junior void]

Thats what a scammer would say

If you want to help, help here, where it was asked

[wanton cedar]

Yeah i dont plan on going into dms

If anyone dms me, be ready to get reported

[ornate stump]

I have never once seen anyone offering help like that continue to respond in the public chat.

[ornate stump]

If you're using from AnyState then you have to disable Can Transition To Self in the transition.

[light charm]

yeah
because they would have helped instead of saying "i will help"

[ornate stump]

True.

[wanton cedar]

Sorry, where is AnyState?

oh nvm im blind

Oh that worked, thank you

Just the audio is still silent

[ornate stump]

How do you make it to play audio?

[wanton cedar]

Well I had just thrown an audio source into an empty and tossed it onto my model then toggled it on and off, dunno if that answers anything. Im probably just going to go to bed, im 80% asleep rn

[ornate stump]

Do you also actually put the audio clip in the source?

[wanton cedar]

Yes

[ornate stump]

Did you put VRCSpatializeAudioSource component to the same object with the audio source?

[ocean berry]

my avi failed to upload here are the error messages

[left gull]

is there anything in the upload panel that's red or have you tried using a different thumbnail image/file type for the image?

those errors shown kinda just say it failed w/o giving a direct reason :P (unless you actually have an ID in your pipeline manager)

[ocean berry]

i'll change the thumbnail

I have uploaded this avi before (outdated and was just testing) and really all I changed was the mesh and added a few more things

it worked besides a shader everything was fine

[pearl reef]

hey guys quick question, so i have an animation issue on my avatar, my avatar has an idle pose animation i exported from blender into unity and set to humanoid and everything works and looks perfect in unity but in game the upperlegs/knees bend outward on both sides at the same exact angle, anyone know how to fix this ive been trying for hours😭

[wraith geyser]

hi, my project was working fine yesteday and today its broken, what is going on?

sdk base have an update but not sdk avi

[ornate stump]

You must have both at the same version.

[wraith geyser]

thats the problem look the pic, CC dont give me the choice to update sdk avi

and if i rollback the base to 3.9 ive got so many errors, but yesteday everything was fine and i didnt change anything

[ornate stump]

What error that show at the very top? The few topmost error only matter.

[wraith geyser]

somethingmrelated to VGC, i just deleted the whole folder

everything seems fine now

[errant oriole]

Hello everyone! I'm trying to convert the GestureLeft / Right values from 0-8 to a floating point (of 0-1), to run drive the Motion Time of an animation.
How I've set this up is by implementing a VRC Avatar Parameter Driver component to my animation layer, to convert it. Then, I drive the Motion Time with this newly converted number! I thought that would be it... but this new number isn't updating, despite the GestureLeft/Right paramaters updating fine.
The attached pictures should help describe this.
Any ideas on how to get the conversion working, or if there's a better way to do this? :)

[pearl reef]

anyone able to help with this? ^

[wraith geyser]

hi , i have a weird glitch withe quest version , on some part of the avi, when i change the material it automatically switch back to a pc/poyomi material, wth ive never seen that before. ive tried restarting unity

[somber sequoia]

I suspect you'd want to put the paramter driver on a separate state than when you use the parameter

[balmy barn]

old sdk with a controller assigned to animator with a material change ? , just update that sdk 3.10.1 now

[wraith geyser]

aww thank u

but i can only update sdk base and not sdk avi, is it normal?

[somber sequoia]

no

[wraith geyser]

:/

should i try to put it manually even if vrc website tells me not to?

[balmy barn]

could be a old vcc , or could try removing base/avatars (-) then add it back

[somber sequoia]

or use alcom instead.

[wraith geyser]

aww yeah i simply needed to update VCC ty [i feel stoopid]

[small haven]

Hey can anyone Priv dm me i need help making a avatar and will pay for it

[somber sequoia]

you should commission people at teh VRC Traders discord, you'll just get scammers DMing you around here.
Link is in #1204490664637890580

[small haven]

ah thank you man

[somber sequoia]

be wary of anyone who messages you now

[small haven]

thank you

[wanton cedar]

Nope, should i?

[plain mural]

Is it even possible to transfer animations recorded in Unity to Blender? I mean, so they also retain shapekey animations, and bones, of course 🤔

[rancid sierra]

Hello im new need some help with my avatar I dont know if I can send pictures so people can see
But here is my problem I want to add some kind of an effect to my avatar like sword and lightning coming of his hand
(The avatar is made in vriod)
I can upload the avatar all fine no problem but when I made the lightning and attached it to the avatar like on the hand and then did the hole animetion and tagle for it doesn't let me upload it and I been stuck with it like 2 week anyone can help with or any ideas

[ornate stump]

Yes of course.

[wanton cedar]

May I ask what it does?

It looked like just another sound setting

[balmy barn]

vrchat requires it or you will get the default added on upload , every time i read the doc about it i tend to fall asleep https://creators.vrchat.com/worlds/components/vrc_spatialaudiosource/

most of my av use 2d and cut the range to very short

🐧 that one

[wanton cedar]

I will check it out, ty

[errant oriole]

I've already done that! Sorry for not providing that context :)
Any other suggestions? 🙂

[somber sequoia]

not really without watching how the animator behaves

[errant oriole]

Alright, I'll be providing that sometime soon! I don't see how that would affect its motion time though...

[somber sequoia]

I was thinking of watching the parameter changes to see if they happen when you expect them to

[errant oriole]

Ahh, right! The GestureLeft/Right parameters change correctly during runtime, but AnimateL/R stick at zero, their default value. I can record a demo of this soon :)

Another thing to note, I have VRCFury attached running with my avatar, turning it off makes no difference.

[next hare]

Anyone down to help me rig my avatar (On the VR assistant thing) Im making on blendr (I have like NO space on my pc)

[errant oriole]

Wouldn't #avatar-rigging be a better place to post this?

[errant oriole]

Is this informative?

[somber sequoia]

oh

[errant oriole]

This was demoing that AnimateL does not get synced with GestureLeft, without VRCFury interfering with it at all.

[somber sequoia]

yes - I think the paramter driver isn't going to do anything if you get onto that state and never transition off of it

Maybe do a transition to self or something so it re-activates that state, or something like that.

I bet if you treat it like it's triggered only on entering the state, it'll work

[errant oriole]

How would I do that, when the motion time is being controlled? :)
I've tried simply doing a self-transition with no conditions, but that hasn't changed anything

I do have a dumb idea... I could create an animation state for each number xD

[somber sequoia]

oh yes, this is exactly the problem then

I said at first that I think the parameter driver should be on its own state, maybe in its own layer

now I'm pretty sure that's correct

[errant oriole]

Ahh, so have an empty animation on a separate layer that loops infinitely? :)

[somber sequoia]

not quite - it should loop anytime the gesture is changed

[ornate stump]

You could just create a single parameter that will never get changed and has that for self transition condition that's always be true. Empty transition condition doesn't work and exit time doesn't run if set to zero.

Having self transition with condition that always is true is the most reliable way to make sure parameter driver run every frame.

[somber sequoia]

yeah I was thinking every frame would be too often, but it's probably reasonable enough. Could put an exit time on it to slow it down too

[lament yoke]

Anyone able to help me try to make avatar

[wide hedge]

I'm having some problems with this avatar I'm trying to upload. I'm getting this error and I've never seen it before. One of these are preventing it from uploading so I'm wondering how I could fix it.

its so weird and ive been sitting here trying to figure it out.

[balmy barn]

it wants a script you didnt import , read requirements from where you got the avatar from

[wide hedge]

whats weird is that I uploaded everything that I should’ve

[naive copper]

I need some help with something
I had recently made this for my avatar, and I had tried using components to connect the hard to the hand, but nothing follows with it

I want to know if there's a method to do this without having to use physbones

[somber sequoia]

that's what this channel is for.

[naive copper]

Can I get some help with it though?

It's either getting it to work or making it "wireless"

[somber sequoia]

oh damn, I actually meant that as a reply to someone else, not sure why it didn't work

[somber sequoia]

for you though, I'm not sure what you're asking for here, what do you mean "components to connect the hard to the hand"?

[pearl reef]

anyone able to help with an animation issue?

[somber sequoia]

maybe - what's the issue? and there's also #animation too

[naive copper]

Must have been a typo sorry

[pearl reef]

my avatar has a custom stand pose/animation and at a certain point in the animation the legs/knees bendoutward and then go back to normal after a second or 2

[naive copper]

I'm trying to connect the head of the Stethoscope to the hand

It works but when I do it the rest of the the armature doesn't follow with it

[somber sequoia]

connect how?

[naive copper]

I used an armature link to connect the bone from the stethoscope head to the hand

[somber sequoia]

ah I don't really do much with VRC Fury.

[naive copper]

But I want the rest of the bones to follow with the head

[naive copper]

I guess I'm making it wireless then

[pearl reef]

is there a way to fix this? ^

[somber sequoia]

maybe you could show this?

[pearl reef]

oh of course, sorry i didnt know screenshots were allowed

[somber sequoia]

I was kinda hoping for a video of it happening, not sure what to tell you about a single pose

[pearl reef]

oh okay one second i can send a video

ignore the face theres supposted to be a mask ive just been testing without accessories

[pearl reef]

does this help at all? @somber sequoia

[somber sequoia]

huh that's weird - I'd guess that's in your animation, but I assume you'll say it isn't

[pearl reef]

no i believe you i just dont know how to fix it lol

and whats odd is that in unity the animation looks fine

[somber sequoia]

ohh I see, if that's the case, edit the animation to reposition.... ohh

[pearl reef]

how do i go about doing that?

[somber sequoia]

I have no idea how idle animations work for vrchat, haven't played with them at all

[pearl reef]

alright no worries

any other tips?

possible causes*

[somber sequoia]

without actually looking at the animation? nope

[pearl reef]

alright

[atomic hound]

people have talked about me having something on my avatar that is not in my avatar at all it has been removed, is there some sort of way VRC simply hasnt uploaded the avatar properly and its just cooked?

[somber sequoia]

...what?

[atomic hound]

a hat has been removed from my avatar and since uploaded without it but some select few randoms have told me they still see it

[south kraken]

check your avatars imposters, the hat mightve been baked into it

if thats the case, you can delete them and regenerate them on the website

[atomic hound]

yeah ive just done that, its the only thing I could think of

[stiff pier]

heeeelp i want to put dance on my avatar but i don't know where to add it in unity ????

[wide hedge]

🧍🏻‍♀️

[stiff pier]

what ?!

[ionic sundial]

my gf is having a strange issue where her avatar spins around really fast seemingly at random, but once it starts it doesn't stop. It was an avatar she uploaded. other avatars were tested and didn't have the same issue. a headset and steamvr restart was tested and the issue persisted. any ideas?

[neat lake]

anyone good at retexturing a avatar?

[somber sequoia]

you looking for advice or to commission someone?

[errant oriole]

Go to sleep!!

[somber sequoia]

... but it's early?

[errant oriole]

My mistake then, just seen you online for a looooong time, assumed you'd been awake between the times I checked xD

[somber sequoia]

Maybe I've slept somewhen in the middle of that

[errant oriole]

I've come back to ask for some support, got the watch sorted >:]
This time, with an issue involving hand gestures. I'm trying to make a custom set, but the closest I've gotten is the attached video. Using the masking options provided by VRChat does nothing and gets removed at runtime, and adding a "VRC Animator Tracking Control" component also does nothing. Another thing to note, motion time element of all my gestures keeps getting overwritten to be on at build with VRCFury enabled, but turning it off and leaving them alone also makes nothing work.

My avatar doesn't usually go into the state it does when gestures are active, this is a new issue that came about while creating this text... didn't change anything to my knowledge xD

Is this me misunderstanding the use something once again?

[errant oriole]

I've still not slept, half three in the morning on my end xD

[night ember]

is that the gesture layer?

[somber sequoia]

you're using AnyState, so make sure all of those transitions have "can transition to self" off

[somber sequoia]

I was hoping "gesture" in the controller filename suggested that, but yeah, good to verify

[night ember]

anystate transition to self only really matters if you need to to go there once like for parameter driver or the animation has more than 1 unique frame

[charred storm]

I Need help

i have a project open but idk how to do this shit

and the video didnt help

[cold cloud]

anyone understand the whole gonso shit? mines breaking

[somber sequoia]

feel free to ask specific questions

[errant oriole]

It is, yes!

[errant oriole]

And yes, it's off 🙂

[charred storm]

how fix this

no idea what im doing the youtube tut has failed me right here

[somber sequoia]

fix what exactly?

[charred storm]

idk what im doing tis giving me all theses alerts and now im just realizing this is pc onmly and im upset :C

i want this on vr and pc ;-;

[somber sequoia]

if you mean standalone quest/etc, then that doesn't look like it'll perform well, assuming the SDK lets you upload it, which I doubt.

[charred storm]

yeah quest

how do i pu tthis model into quest

[boreal nebula]

Say, is there a way I could move the UV's around so that I could swap mouth textures whenever my avatar speaks?

[charred storm]

so it works for pc

idk how to switch it over for quest aswell along with pc so both can see it

[somber sequoia]

You can't move islands but many shaders can use 4 different UV maps.
BUT, instead of all that, just use a sprite sheet.

[boreal nebula]

I already have a sprite sheet made, although you're saying there isn't any way I can quickly swap textures like this?

[somber sequoia]

you can't swap textures at runtime, but maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to do here

oh this is a video

it wasn't auto-playing. You can pan the texture around

you can't move UV islands though

in this case just panning the texture ought to do it, which is the standard way to work with sprite sheets

[boreal nebula]

Forgive me, but what does panning the texture around mean?

[spark walrus]

the errors will guide you. it'll mostly be: delete some physbones, change all materials to a quest shader, etc.
there's automatic ways with varying success, like VRCQuestTools.
you can also use Imposters, generate them via the website. It's like a pixelated version of your avi that Quest sees.

[charred storm]

can i call you ? @spark walrus

[somber sequoia]

it means the shader moves the texture around while the "window" shown stays in place. Basically what you are doing there but instead of the UV island moving, the texture is the part that moves

this is how you work with sprite sheets.

You set your tiling values to the number of cels in the sheet, then pan around

[boreal nebula]

alrighty then, that's pretty good to know. Do you by chance know if there are any good tutorials for panning textures?

[somber sequoia]

no idea, but I assume there are some.

[boreal nebula]

I'll go hunting for some. Thank you so much for the advice! :D

[somber sequoia]

feel free to come back for more 🙂

[boreal nebula]

Thank you :p

[cosmic glacier]

I need some help, The new sdk seems to be causing some sort of issue and I don't know why.

All my prefabs are up to date, and I am on the newest sdk.

[somber sequoia]

that's a very weird error to have with a modern SDK

[cosmic glacier]

I have redownloaded it and made a new project and its still happening

[somber sequoia]

well, maybe try the vrcfury discord

[silk wadi]

Anyone knows why this might happen? This only happens in one of my projects with the same passwd that works in all other ones

[errant oriole]

Any other ideas? I'm completely stumped, can't find any documentation to help either 😅

[silk wadi]

somehow it fixed itself

[soft sapphire]

How do i fix this it keeps telling me its a non humanoid rig and i dont know how to fix it cause it can only T pose since it wont rig

[dusty monolith]

my vcc wont update to 10.1, and i cant upload avis

my version is 2022.3.22

[somber sequoia]

update VCC probably

[somber sequoia]

you'll have to look in the console for errors, or the rig setup dialog for clues there

[dusty monolith]

still cant update

i have enough storage too

[somber sequoia]

yep, there's the problem

[soft sapphire]

Whats the problem

[somber sequoia]

it says the problem

I'm guessing it's actually not that important, because you probably don't want the "bangs" bone in the jawbone slot

[soft sapphire]

Idk how to fix the problem

[somber sequoia]

remove that bone from the jawbone slot. Most avatar setup videos that talk about rig setup will show this

[soft sapphire]

Idk where to find the jawbone

[somber sequoia]

find your model file in the project window, click it, look in the rig tab in the inspector, hit "configure", find the jaw bone, remove whatever's in that slot.

[soft sapphire]

I can’t find the jawbone

Wait nvm

Idk how to remove it

I think i fixed it

Im uploading it

[spark walrus]

State Behavior is a bandaid to mask the real problem. The Gesture Layer is only meant to control the hands and via animations, the masks tells the IK system that.
These Unity tester apps aren't the final say, sometimes they behave different than VRChat itself. For example, physbones can be toggled on from an off state and commanded to change a property while in VRChat that needs to be two anims seperated by a transition. So test in VRChat too.
Loop Time should be off on the anims. Apply Root Motion should be on, on the main Animator.
Motion Time, using GestureLeftWeight/Right is the grip button controllers have. It determines the amount the the fingers bend for animations its relevant.
VRCFury adds obfuscation, most of us here don't use it, VRCFury Discord might help you further.

I recommend using the actual example provided by VRChat, and changing that one:
Packages > VRChat SDK - Avatars > Samples > AV3 Demo Assets > Animation > Controllers > vrc_AvatarV3HandsLayer
You can also try GoGoLoco.

[soft sapphire]

I got it ty!

But now her legs won’t work

[crystal prairie]

How can i change my avatar through mobile but i cant join servers bc it crashes me

[ornate stump]

https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/360060847634-Unable-to-switch-out-of-an-avatar

[crystal prairie]

Tysm

[mighty basin]

nvm i made that post and immedietly figured it out

[compact pumice]

has anyone else had an issue where an animation doesn't work properly locally but is fine globally?

[ornate stump]

If you had a problem with that then you should explain exactly how your issue is.

[compact pumice]

so on the left is me looking at my self and on the right is the same frame but on someone else wearing the avatar

tried updating it to see if it was an issue on upload but it did not fix

it's like the IK is messed up locally

but idk how or why

[ornate stump]

Is it pose emote or something?

[compact pumice]

it's an animation emote that claps at a certain point

[plucky drum]

i have a glowing tongue on my avatar and im setting up an audio source to play a geiger counter sound when near it, after its set up how would i go about testing if it works without needing a friend to hop on vr with me? is it something i can test within unity?

[spark walrus]

GestureManager is an easy way to test. You can click the contacts if you enable clickable contacts.

If you mean the sound of it, you can use the unity camera. it'll hear in playmode

[spark walrus]

How many anims? One (stand, 20 frames later, clap) or two with a transition (stand is 1, clap is 2)?
It's in the Action layer? Images are both users on Desktop mode?

[compact pumice]

might be linked to the latest sdk update cause this is the first avatar uploaded on 3.10.1. this is an anim that is just a static pose

[plucky drum]

i can hear it in unity, my main issue is i want to test the audios falloff to make sure u gotta get close to hear it and idk how to test that

[compact pumice]

single anim, it's in the actionlayer, images were both taken on destop, but the second was someone on quest

it's like their rotated outward

[spark walrus]

if you set the spatial blend to 1 in the audio component, moving the camera will hear the falloff. not entirely certain if this will be the same as in vrc. someone else might know

[plucky drum]

tried that already, it sounds the same next to it as it does super far away

[spark walrus]

doesn't for me. make sure you only have one audio listener in the scene, i.e one camera. don't know what else to say but feel free to bump up your old question in chat in a bit

[plucky drum]

it gets quiter when i drag it away from the avatar

just cant seem to get it to the point where you gotta be like right next to the head to hear it

[spark walrus]

I'm not sure. And with the new Steam Audio update, I'm even more not sure. Didn't think about that before I answered, sorry *shrugs

[spark walrus]

try setting transition speed to 0.02 seconds, as recommended by the docs. It solves animator desync, if that's what's happening here. test with your quest friend again. if it happens, it's not animator desync (probably). might have something to do with it being Quest, testing with a desktop user might help to eliminate that angle. You can upload the demo avatar from the sdk with this animation, to know if it's your avi specifically. If it's the new SDK, you can downgrade for now but not for long. If it is, you can make a ticket on the canny, with instructions to reproduce it.

[compact pumice]

wack

[plucky drum]

i got it working but for some reason when i drag the source away on the Z axis it works, when i drag it away the same distance on the Y axis tho it doesnt work and when i drag it away on the X axis it partially works

this is so cooked

[spark walrus]

Unity3D Technologies, everyone!

[errant oriole]

Oh thank you! The issue was leaving "Apply Root Motion" unchecked, what a waste of time I spent figuring that out 😂

I have the controller set to be on both the "Gesture" layer and the default layer. Not sure if that's how I should do it.. but it works, so I ain't touchin' it xD

[errant oriole]

Of all the issues I'd run into... I did not expect this 😂

Haven't gone through the debugging process yet, doing so now, just thought I'd post here in the meantime if I can't figure it out 🙂

[glossy orbit]

Can anyone help me find the male?

[round comet]

#1138520828556890214

[glossy orbit]

Alrighty

[errant oriole]

Just had the Idle animation set to override tracking for some reason xD

[coral void]

i need help puttig gocoloco on my avatar

[ornate stump]

Following the installation instruction wasn't enough?

[coral void]

how to set parameters ? im noob first time making avatar

[ornate stump]

Aren't you using vrcfury or modular avatar prefab?

[ornate stump]

Does it relate to avatar? Because this channel is for avatar creation. If you want help general issue, post your question in #1138891887374237706 .

[mortal knoll]

oh ok

[tight saddle]

Is there a tutorial for working with base models and attaching clothes/hair?
I was thinking getting a base and piece of clothing from booth to start with

[somber sequoia]

There are quite a lot of those

[fervent fossil]

Is there anyone that who can help me with steam audio on quest avatars, or is it not out yet

[summer hearth]

Anyone, know of why lighting on an avi basically turns the normal map Off in any material, the hardesh on a poiyomi shader?

[ornate stump]

Do you mean light component on the avatar, or just any light that affected on the avatar surface?

[summer hearth]

Scene lighting sry

[somber sequoia]

what about it would you need help with? There's not anything to actually do

[summer hearth]

Directional light works fine but Any scene lighting, even with hai's lightbox viewer, most of them turns the normal maps off

[ornate stump]

Is it light from light probe or realtime light?

[fervent fossil]

I am currently adding a vrc spatial audio source toggle for my avatar but for some reason it is not letting me upload

[summer hearth]

I dont- the bulb thing top right, ive never touched any settings in it so

[somber sequoia]

You cannot put audio sources on Quest avatars.

[fervent fossil]

How do i add audio for my quest avatar with the new steam audio update

[somber sequoia]

You don't - you cannot put audio sources on quest avatars.

[ornate stump]

That's just light preview in editing scene, it doesn't affect how your avatar really look like.

[somber sequoia]

(also there's nothing new the Steam Audio update provides for avatar audio at this time)

[summer hearth]

Yeah but the lightbox viewer from Hai Is actual scenes similar to ingame, and in most the normal maps are gone and the whole avi darkens

[fervent fossil]

I see

[ornate stump]

It's better to screenshot how it's look like and compare with how it should be. Is it only affecting poiyomi shader or just every shader?

[summer hearth]

Every shader, hang on i can take pics

1st is with Scene lighting off
2nd is Scene lighting On
The avis are usually brighter overall but images seem to dampen them

[ornate stump]

It rather because the light doesn't have directionality so every angle would just have exactly same brightness.

Normal map is just changing surface angle so the lighting is different on the surface.

[summer hearth]

Ah, so my directional light in the, hiearchy is the issue or?..

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot unity full screen when scene lighting is on?

[summer hearth]

Is there smth specific u wanna see

[ornate stump]

I saw a light icon in the two first screenshot so I wanted to confirm what it was.

[summer hearth]

Ah right, oki yeah that directional light i think jus Came with the scene, idk i havent worked on this in over half a year so

[ornate stump]

Is your material shading type set as flat shade?

[summer hearth]

Realistic

I switched to flat to test it jus, made it all look worse

Ima jus upload it and try it in a few worlds im, sick of trynna guesswork it in unity

[timber wharf]

@summer hearth https://github.com/hai-vr/lightbox-viewer

[summer hearth]

Already using it

The brighter it is the more the normap map disappears it seems

Brighter and bloom

[brave moss]

whenever i use vrchats mobile shaders it acts really weird, first image is blender and 2nd is unity

[vapid slate]

ok so vrcfury didnt size down the avatar.... how do i do it manually?

[hazy quest]

Can't build and test for Quest.

I don't have a quest, I just want to make sure it uploads smoothly.

[modest ferry]

not entirely sure how to fix this, could somebody help?

[hazy quest]

You'll need to fix the hierarchy of your armature in a DCC.

[lament yoke]

Help my thing keep staying at this it's been almost 20 minutes and nothing

[vapid slate]

ok so vrcfury didnt size down the avatar.... how do i do it manually?

[still shuttle]

Based on the 3rd image, it says you have a mesh named the same as a bone, unity doesn't like that so you'll have to rename the mesh or the bone. As for the first image, have you tried enforcing T pose?

[modest ferry]

no i havent

[lament yoke]

It's been almost 45 minutes and nothing

[still shuttle]

Def try that

[hazy quest]

Close it and re-try.
Do you have Unity Installed? If not, VCC will Unity first I think.

[modest ferry]

how would i put it into t-pose

[still shuttle]

There's an option for it in the same area you took the first screenshot. Scroll down in the inspector window and look around til you find it

[modest ferry]

got it

[still shuttle]

Did it help at all? If not you've probably got a deeper issue with your rig

[modest ferry]

i renamed the hips and put it into t-pose but the bones are still red

i dont thin it helped lwk

[hazy quest]

.

[hazy quest]

👆

[lament yoke]

I did both and nothing

the stupid create our companion for vrchat to make an avatar is being dumb and not working

[primal swift]

im trying to upload an avatar and it keeps telling me to upload a thumbnail

even tho i have uploaded a thumbnail, and saved it too

[hazy quest]

Literally happening to me right now.

[primal swift]

oh

[hazy quest]

https://status.vrchat.com/incidents/gfsm3s4jyx39?u=zqq2rjp4fmml

Could this be the reason?

[vapid slate]

ok so vrcfury didnt size down the avatar.... how do i do it manually?

[graceful steppe]

Hi everyone I have a question. I use free avatars for info btw:

alot of what I use come with high heels/ platform heels. I’ve tried adjusting my height, sitting standing etc, no matter what they end up in the ground, it looks weird honestly. How do I fix this? I’ve seen others have 0 issue. Can anyone offer any help? I’m happy to take a pic or even stream the problem as well. 💛

[vocal lion]

yooo i want to make a physbone make noise when its moved around like a bell would, how would i go about that?

[night ember]

use one of the parameter types on it
or contacts

[vocal lion]

im relatively new to using parameters so i may need a visual. idk where to look for that

[night ember]

in the physbone component you can give it a parameter which under it has a list of specific parameters

like whatever you named _angle

[vocal lion]

so where would i write the [name]_angle in?

[night ember]

fx layer

then just toggle the audio with that

[subtle depot]

I've got a really weird issue that I'm not sure how to handle.
My model seemingly imports into unity fine. No errors adding the Avatar Descriptor. But when I try testing with "build and test" in VRChat, the material seemingly goes missing and I'm left with a solid magenta cutout. Attempting "build and publish" instead makes an unusable avatar with the "failed security check" error.
I'm on linux, so everything is a little bit scuffed, but I don't see any errors that could indicate what I have misconfigured.

[vocal lion]

what build are you on, pc or android

[olive ore]

Hello. I have never uploaded anything to VRchat before and I desperately want to use a radio avatar. I found some 3D models online and was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to explain to me how this whole process works.

[subtle depot]

In terms of trying to test? pc.

[vocal lion]

i wouldnt know then, ive tested pc materials while on the android build before and it turns magenta. thought maybe that was the case

[night ember]

you using the correct unity version?

[subtle depot]

2022.3.22f1

I have now realized that I think I didnt have windows build support actually installed. So now I have a new error about required formal parameter 'safety' and I see theres some guidance on that. So I'm going to look into that some.

[verbal bobcat]

Haven't really been on this server in a while but I need some help with creating a avatar I've got all the assets clothes and base for the avi but my question is how long does it take to actualy combine everything like saying there's 3toggles with props and stuff they're all unity packages two clothes the top and bottom pants glasses and some physbone accessories to the body two tiny and two that are slightly larger aka ears and a tail plus making it available to use on quest not a public but for personal use

[proud atlas]

I'd say if you don't have some tool to help you align parent and easy you up the process and also don't have the experience might take some hours and some more troubleshooting toggles and all that

[proud atlas]

Forgot to hit the reply button

[olive ore]

Where do I get gogo loco?

[proud atlas]

Just search go gogoloco it seems it has a web page now where you can download the unity package or just add it to vcc

But don't forget that you need vrcfury to implement it to your avis

[olive ore]

Ah, ok.

Maybe that'll be a project for later.

[gentle bluff]

Have I messed up my audio settings somewhere for avatar audio? Ever since the updated audio system this effect is WAYYYYY over-amplified to the point of heavy clipping

[mellow scaffold]

why does only one move the whole thing

[real basin]

Can someone pls help me make a avatar for me

[night ember]

Go to vrctraders

[real basin]

We're is that

[night ember]

#1204490664637890580

[left hull]

these hands are driving me insane. does anyone know why when i try to enforce a t-pose it makes my avatar's hands like this

i've tried everything i could think of in blender but clearly that wasn't enough

[night ember]

Why do you have bones in your palm

[somber sequoia]

it's not uncommon. Totally not needed for vrchat though.

[left hull]

that's the hand bone???

[night ember]

Looks like you assigned the palm bones as finger bones

[left hull]

literally what do you mean palm bones those are the fingers.

[night ember]

Vrchat only uses 1 hand bone

[left wren]

how does one fix jittery eyes from really large eyebones? (my eyes are an unorthodox shape and would clip if the bones were small)

[somber sequoia]

finger bones don't start at the wrist

[night ember]

Why are the finger bones going from the wrist

[left hull]

well.

[somber sequoia]

their heads should be at the knuckle

[gentle bluff]

Think I've found the issue. VRC used to only play the left channel, now it plays stereo
Turns out the right channel on this audio file is wayyyy louder

[left hull]

okay then let me remap them

[somber sequoia]

you can have multiple hand bones, they just don't get mapped anywhere in vrchat

[torn geyser]

Is there a way to check all the materials on an avatar?

[somber sequoia]

check?

[torn geyser]

Theres some standard shader on this avatar and I cannot for the life of me find it

[left hull]

huh. okay then

[torn geyser]

I have checked every single material about 20 times now

[left hull]

seems it really was just the bones that got automapped.

the thumb is a whole other can of worms though but that might be due to how i posed it. thank you anyway

[night ember]

You havent checked every one of them then

[torn geyser]

I dont understand then

Every model used I have extracted the materials and made them quest compat

[night ember]

You dont have to be in tpose
Its just the tpose is how unity animates so whatever the offset from tpose you do is how offset itll be when animated

[torn geyser]

Every model used on the avatar is quest compat

Every particle is quest compat

[night ember]

You missed one somewhere then

[left hull]

oh. well

[torn geyser]

Is there a way to check all the materials on an avi used?

[night ember]

You can type renderer in the scene search to find every object with the renderer component

[somber sequoia]

I can think of how to do it via C# code, but don't know of a tool to do what you want

[left wren]

how do i stop eye movement from exceeding the limit i set for it on the avatar descriptor? Should i just compensate by making the number off a bit or is there a better solution?

[night ember]

The eyes dont go beyond what you set

Thats the whole point of the value you set

[left wren]

apparently not?

i think i figured out the issue though. might be a bug but im not entirely sure

ok i figured as much. Splitting the eye look rotations for some reason is not working on my avatar. its only accepting them if they were linked.

instead of getting my wanted outcome

i get this in game

no clue why i cant de-link the eye rotations.

i settled with the linked for now.

👍

[naive remnant]

someone pls hewp me ;w;

my first time trying to upload an avatar and ive been struggling for hours even with the aid of yt tutorials

i bought a cheaper avatar and i just need some help uploading it....

google has been no help at all

[somber sequoia]

seems something weird about your gogo loco

[brave moss]

Hello! I currently have a fallback avatar equipped that I uploaded, however it has a problem where it is always t-posing and having a 4 dimensional seizure, broken to the point where if it ends up displaying on my end as my current avatar I can't even use the menu to swap off of it because of how it works. So... not ideal, obv. Is there a way to unequip a fallback avatar?

[somber sequoia]

delete the avatar and upload just the PC one as a new avatar

[mighty basin]

i dont really have a good depiction to describe the issue i have but the avatar i am making from scratch is digitgrade. but the legs rotate too much iand clip into the thigh in full body no matter what i change the strength of the rotation constraint to.

and they are set up to a digitgrade rig

[somber sequoia]

you'd probably need to show the issue and also some details on how the rig is setup. And probably #avatar-rigging is ideal

[mighty basin]

i saw this late, i smacked it with a hammer and its working

surely nothing bad will happen down the road :D

[patent delta]

Hello, I exported a basic FBX accessory from Blender, and in Unity, when I try to attach the import to the head bone it transforms the origin of bones that follow the main chain (so hips, spine, neck, head all rotate around the attached object).
Things I have tried - Updating Blender/CATS
Exporting it via both Blender and Cats
Importing it into a different unity project that uses a different avatar - same issue
I wonder if it's got something to do with me exporting it incorrectly.

[somber sequoia]

hard to say without some more detail, but my first guess is to make sure avatar and prop armatures are both oriented the same way and have had all transforms applied

the only export setting of relevance here is "apply scalings" which generally should be FBX All unless you know for sure you need it otherwise

[patent delta]

Thanks for the reply. Sadly applying transforms did not work, and here's my export settings just in case.
It's weird that it does it even when I don't export the armature alongside the accessory 🤔

[somber sequoia]

looks good

how are you attaching this?

[patent delta]

I've tried the old reliable drag and drop the imported fbx on the head bone
I also tried following the bone proxy tutorial on this site https://modular-avatar.nadena.dev/docs/reference/bone-proxy, but it's my first time using it so I just scrapped the attempts after noticing this issue.

[somber sequoia]

I'd probably export it along with the model instead of doing the drag and drop stuff

vrcfury's armature link does do a pretty nice job too though, that might be the one part of that whole system I actually like

or just use a parent constraint

[patent delta]

That's what I'd normally do, but this is a present for a friend so the idea was to just give them a unity package.
They use modular avatar, but since I couldn't get it to work I figured I'd give them just the fbx, but that doesn't seem to work either.
Just want to get to the bottom of it, since in theory it should work, seeing how simple the process is

Thanks for the help nevertheless!

[night hemlock]

Good evening all. I'm trying to use my current Avatar with BSB 2e Eye-tracking (Using VRCFaceTracking).

•So, eye-tracking technically works with the avatar as it is right now, but the movement range of the eyes when looking around is very subtle, and I want to increase this threshold. But I don't fully know where/what I should be modifying.

•Also something I noticed when playing around with the eyeball rotation in unity is the more the eye is rotated, the more flat/pancake shaped it becomes. Any advice would be appreciated. I've watched a few YouTube tutorials but I haven't found the answer yet.

[patent delta]

I shall be passing away - Turns out it was because in unity my pivot point was set to center. All it took was a precisely worded google search.
https://discussions.unity.com/t/parenting-object-to-rig-bones-changes-bones-edit-point-to-that-objects-origin/1504657

[somber sequoia]

ha!

[somber sequoia]

eye shape changing when you rotate it is probably due to weight painting

[night hemlock]

Thanks. I think I see what you mean now. The eyeball seems to be weight painted to part of the brow/eyelid

[somber sequoia]

ah yep

[night hemlock]

Unfortunately that didn't resolve it, I found this page suggesting what it might be
https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/265856/why-does-this-mesh-change-shape-when-rotated

. . . Except I don't understand the solution that was provided

[ornate stump]

It's simply saying the eye must be weight painted only to the eye bone.

[zealous pine]

I want to make my audio source stereo and I've done that by making my spread value 180. However, upon playing that audio source, the audio channels are swapped so the left channel is in the right ear and the right channel is in the left ear. How do I swap it? I didn't do anything to swap it in the first place so I think its just default like that.

[ornate stump]

I'd suggest you to add VRCSpatialAudioSource component and increase Volumetic range from there.

[heady berry]

Not to sure if this is the right place? I’ve been going online and looking for someone to make an avatar for me with payment involved. Though all of the options seem a little sketchy, especially with proof of works. Is there any place else I could look into it?

[zealous pine]

I messed with the radius values but did not hear much of a change

[zealous pine]

This channel is for help making avatars

[heady berry]

I tried lol

[ornate stump]

Have you actually checking if your speakers/headphones has correct stereo side?

[ornate stump]

#avatar-general message

[heady berry]

I’ll post it there thank!

[ornate stump]

No. It's a message you must read.

[zealous pine]

Yes. I have been using an mp3 that plays 3 sounds that is for the left side, right side, then both. I hear them on the correct side

[ornate stump]

Can you send it here to confirm its correctness?

[zealous pine]

The issue is, whenever I play that same audio in vrchat, the sides are swapped so the right is on the left and vice versa

[ornate stump]

Should be correct. Although I have never get the issue where unity switchs stereo side.

[ornate stump]

What if you set spread to zero and have only the volumatic range?

[zealous pine]

Let me test. Give me 1 second

With the spread set to 0, the audio turns mono regardless of the radius

[ornate stump]

Can you show how you set?

Take screenshot

[zealous pine]

That number is the same as my audio max distance which is why its that specific number btw

[ornate stump]

This will override the range you set in the audio source component. And since the radius is very small, do you have the source inside of the head?

[zealous pine]

Yes I do

This is on purpose

[ornate stump]

Did you test in game as well?

[zealous pine]

I tested the VRCSpatial audio source in gesture manager but I can test in vrchat as well

I have tested it in vrchat without the VRCSpation Audio Source however

[ornate stump]

I'm not sure how well the gesture manager can test the spatial audio source so test in game as well.

[zealous pine]

Alright, give me a minute to upload the test build

[ornate stump]

Test build doesn't actually upload.

[zealous pine]

Alright Ill just upload it normally then

[zealous pine]

I meant the Build and Test feature

For clarification

Instead of a normal upload

The VRCSpatial Audio Source seems to fix the stereo issue but what exactly did it do to fix this

[ornate stump]

It's rather because of audio spread weirdness. I didn't even know it has directionality. Volumatic is just simply blending between real stereo and spatialized audio.

[zealous pine]

Thank you

[light charm]

soooo i noticed my avatar's lipsync will stop working if i'm in a lobby with a lot of people, why is this? and is there a way i can fix it? my other avatars work fine, it's just this one avatar...

[karmic olive]

how come when i put a file into vr chat creator companion, it doesnt show up as an option with all the things in my project? im new to this and im trying to find out how to apply mochi shaders to it since it doesnt come in a unity file

[junior void]

did you add it to vcc with the link or?

[fringe oak]

Hi! New to the server but I’ve been looking for anyone who can help me learn to kitbash avatars limbs

Like connecting vertices etc smoothly between each appendage

[vagrant crown]

vrcparentconstraint has been destroyed

what do i do?

[ornate stump]

Restart unity.

[winter gull]

is there a way to start 2 instance of vrchat to test avi stuff in the same instance ? I know it works for world, but I have no idea if it's possible for avatars, the tool let me run two games but I can't join the same instance

[ornate stump]

You need 2 different accounts to test.

[winter gull]

okay thannnks, I'll ask a friend to help instead

[balmy barn]

launch 'offline' you can have copies of yourself the synch tend to be very bad tho

vcc quicklauncher is one way of doing it (accidenatally did 10 once)

[vivid owl]

weird request but im actually looking for someone that knows how to create animations/emotes

[somber sequoia]

people here do - ask your questions if you have them.
If what you actually want is to commission someone, go to the VRC Traders discord, you'll just find scammers here. Link is in #1204490664637890580

[onyx owl]

I keep getting these issue every time I'm tryna upload this avatar,

Does anyone know a fix?

[somber sequoia]

there should be an auto-fix button for the streaming mipmaps issue, in the build console

[onyx owl]

Ye just checked it, thx!

Allthough it's weird it's giving me issues now with it,

Must be part of the new SDK