avatar-help

[round comet]

That’s interesting

[arctic ginkgo]

so if you have a plane for example, it'll make it 3D pretty much

so extrudes out the walls

if you have an object with no holes, it will just make a shell

so basically duplicates it and makes it thicker

it will bridge any exposed edges (unless you have "fill" disabled on the modifier)

it's a very quick way to create quest-compatible outlines

[arctic ginkgo]

I've been trying to get something to work for a while now, and every idea i come up with doesn't quite work

does anyone have any ideas on how to get an avatar like this to work with the dress?

i want it to be able to move somewhat with the legs, especially for full body

[azure citrus]

Question, I have a pc and quest avatar that use the same "Hue Shift" slider in the menu but besides that their fx controllers are completely different

does it still sync across platforms?

[somber sequoia]

avatar parameters list is what's synced, the animation controllers don't matter for that, they could do totally different things with the same variables.

[azure citrus]

one uses a parameter called PC hue and the other uses one called quest hue

so they should just both be called hue i presume

[somber sequoia]

Yes

[azure citrus]

got it

[somber sequoia]

also the avatar parameters list needs to be in the same order - it's ideal to just use the exact same file

[azure citrus]

cool, so i'll use the same menu and parameters but just a completely different fx controller

[somber sequoia]

yep

[wind skiff]

names do not matter at all actually

as long as you have the same amount of synced parameters and they are in the same order, everything will work fine cross-platform

[azure citrus]

did that for nothing I guess

oh well

works regardless

thanks!

i cant really test it rn but i presume it works fine

[calm crow]

Seriously he will not leave me alone

[junior void]

He who

What lol

[glass condor]

Hey guys, I have an issue with setting my Avatar's rig to humanoid in Unity after exporting it from Blender. It gave me this error and wouldn't let me configure it. Any ideas what went wrong?

btw I didn't cut off the error message, it legit ends after transform "Missing or Invalid transform:"

A reddit thread suggested that I use CATS on the model in Blender, but I'm not sure???

[somber sequoia]

Could you show this message in context? it's not clear what it's coming form if you crop it like this\

[crystal kernel]

where you imported the FBX file, go to the tab RIG and see if you edit there, if you have a humanoid rig type there should be a config button

[glass condor]

oh goodness thanks!

[crystal kernel]

no problemos

[calm crow]

Some weirdo

[regal eagle]

Can I get some help?

[calm crow]

This is the place for it but I'm not currently available

[regal eagle]

okay

[calm crow]

I'm not at my apartment

[regal eagle]

all good

[calm crow]

Yeah

[regal eagle]

for whenever you're free

[somber sequoia]

You have 35 errors in that console - show the first 2-3, at the top.

(errors have a red symbol)

[regal eagle]

it's down to 5 now

[somber sequoia]

"missing script" - install whatever pre-requisite package you missed

[regal eagle]

how do I do that again? I'm still new to this

[somber sequoia]

see what the creator listed as requirements for the avatar and make sure you have those things installed.

specifically what are you stuck on?

you'd have to show the mesh object and its materials, it's not clear what is happening in this video

is this one material? multiple? different objects or the same object?

so you have one mesh with one material slot?

[balmy barn]

nice hierarchy

[somber sequoia]

ok then I'm not sure what the question is

ooh, I see it now

where "get it back" means what?

from?

got it, so ripped

anyway. I'm not sure what you're trying to do other than swap materials in a single slot, there are lots of tutorials about doing that.

[left gull]

unless you made this model 100% from scratch on top of it breaking TOS thats highly illegal

[balmy barn]

you saw nothing

[somber sequoia]

ah I guess we're moving on then

[next yew]

how can i add constraints to the bottom arms so they move with the top arms

[arctic ginkgo]

select all the bones on the lower arms. Add component, search for "VRC Rotation Constraint". Add a new source, and select the "is active" checkbox. Now select each bone from the bottom pair individually and assign their respective bone from the upper pair. Once this is done, select all the bones from the lower arms once again and select the "lock" checkbox.

[dark creek]

OK I did the texturing and stuff, what next?
(and yes I will retexture the body)

I just neef to figure out if I chould parent the toggles or something

not to mention the eye lids and the mouth movement

[midnight needle]

This is probably a souper-noob question and idk if its even relevant enough to avvies to ask on here, apologies if its not, but when I import a teggsture into Unity and apply it to my model's material, the colo(u)rs on it get altered to be, lime, souper muted and I don't really know why it happens at all; is there just some step or setting that I missed that can help fix it?

[dark creek]

I like your username

[midnight needle]

1st image is in Blender, 2nd image is in Unity, hope that its noticabl how the colo(u)rs get shifted a bit for sum reason

[midnight needle]

I forgot I hads it lime that oof

[midnight needle]

oh... ok, uh, nevermind I accidentaly fixed it I guess?

I changed tha "Compression" setting from Normal Quality to High Quality, and now the teggsture's colo(u)rs look fine again ~

[next yew]

i tried adding it and then the arms started flailing around and whgen i removed it its now stuck.. :(

okay nvm i fixed it

still confused with the constrauints though

[somber sequoia]

"parent the toggles"?

[dark creek]

The orange, the message box, and the pillow

aswell as the mouth that moves

[somber sequoia]

oh are they separate objects in Blender?

[dark creek]

yes

[somber sequoia]

so it depends. If you want to toggle them on/off as objects in Unity then sure, keep them separate. As for parenting - depends, if they move along with the armature, then they should be children of it.
If you want to move them around independently, like with parent constraints or something, often they're better as separate top-level objects

[dark creek]

I want the pillow to be parented to the ground, and the player can move freely around it without it being moved, the orange to be on their hand at all times, and the text bots to hover over the player staticly

[somber sequoia]

makes sense

[dark creek]

I may have gone to complex on this idea, but I think it could be interesting

As I am the only person to have made a custom snow leopard avatar

I will make it public, and ask to have it put in ocublox's world

[raven orbit]

Did you mean they get shifted in blender? Because in blender the way is displays color by default is actually not accurate to the texture itself while in shader preview, while unity is. There's some color settigns in blender where you have to change it to "Standard"

In blender it's better to preview textures in solid view

[midnight needle]

ohh, I actually didnt know that either, oof...
but no, they did look at least closer to how I wanted them in Blender compared to how they looked in Unity. After changing the compression settings for the teggsture and basically setting it to not compress it at all, the colo(u)rs are pretty much how I eggspected them to look in Unity too

[raven orbit]

In here there's a setting labeled "Filmic," and having it set to that instead of standard will make the colors look muted rather than show as they appear on the texture

[midnight needle]

Am still new to 3D stuff in general, but anything that has to dew with teggstures or materials or UV maps or anything that isnt the actual mesh itself still gives me a huge headache caus I barely understand any of that at all...

[midnight needle]

ohh, so I want to turn that off then in Blender? Got it

[raven orbit]

There's a lot of resources to learn from on youtube. It took me a while and to this day I'm still learning new things

I wish i could link any of the courses i learned from but they were all for blender 2.7 and earlier 😭

[midnight needle]

I am trying to learn for sure, am just a lil slow at it I guess
already been following a tutorial for this avvie am making, and that def helped for this at least

[arctic ginkgo]

UVs are kind of like sewing patterns, or papercraft. Or a map of the earth or peeling oranges

[raven orbit]

this is a good way of putting it. i was taught to put the seams where you'd think the seams would be on a plushy sort of

[midnight needle]

yeh Ive heard that type of eggsplanation before, and I kiiinda get it, but at the same time I've never done sewing or anything like that so it still feels kinda abstract to me
I think the main part that tends to confuse me is how to deal with, like, the fact that most models are curved in a lot of ways and how to properly deal with that in the UV map. Caus with this specific model Im making, the UV mapping wasnt too bad since its very blocky and kinda based on a minecraft aesthetic, so I UV mapped it the same way minecraft skins are and that wasn't too hard for me to understand
But UV mapping non-blocky models (which admittedly I've only done once before) definitely feels significantly more confusing in that I feel like Im just dewing it souper unoptimally or wrong

[calm crow]

Does somebody have an image of the VRC SDK?

[somber sequoia]

a good way to start is by looking at clothing, study how it's put together. Put your seams in the same places.

[calm crow]

The one that has information about uploading avatars?

[lilac musk]

So I got a new avatar today, and I'm confused as why the parameter list seems to be in sync, when they are different from quest to pc. Did VRChat change the way parameter lists work or is there something I'm not understanding. From what I know, the lists need to be the exact same, as they are changed into arrays (Or something) upon upload. This results in mismatches and thus animation states getting mixed results between the platforms. However this avatar doesn't seem to be having that issue even when they are fairly different lists.

[raven orbit]

if vrcfury is installed, that might be overwriting the lists. There might be some other systems that change parameters at build time that I am unaware of. Other than that, i think the lists can technically be different as long as all the differing/unsynced parameters are at the bottom

[lilac musk]

I thought about that too, but it doesn't have it in the project and I don't see anything else that might.

[faint ridge]

Hey I need help with an avatar that I'm making in blender but I'm having trouble with the bones of it have it to connect it to the head model if anyone knows how to fix it please dm me as soon as possible

[raven orbit]

just rig the head to the armature, there's plenty of rigging tutorials on youtube

[pearl girder]

im so confused what does rhis mean

[lilac musk]

Oh nevermind. The quest version was using a different parameter list than I thought. Had 2 of them in the project which got me tripped up.

[somber sequoia]

the "missing script" message is the important one. You forgot to install some kind of dependency.

[pearl girder]

uhh not sure what that is

[somber sequoia]

You'd have to check what the avatar creator says is required

[pearl girder]

i used my brain and fixed the script thingy

[somber sequoia]

okay

[pearl girder]

pkay thak u

[steel cloud]

Hi! Is there a way to make your avatar walk in automatic continuous cruise mode?

[timber wharf]

huh

osc can send move forward input

[steel cloud]

How would i set that up? Do you know if there are any instructions available I could check out?

[grim charm]

can someone help me with my animation, i just want it to rotate my right hand, i'm using modular avi and vrcfury toggle

[cold palm]

There is documentation on OSC from vrchat yes

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/osc-overview

[timber wharf]

@steel cloud https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/osc-as-input-controller

[steel cloud]

I've read the overview documentation before and have a general understanding of how OSC works, but I guess I was wonering if there any working examples anyone knows of?

[cold palm]

They do give examples in the doc afaik

[steel cloud]

Thank you! I'll have a good read 😄

[cold palm]

There are multiple tabs to the doc

[faint ridge]

I tired looking for some videos of the rigging but nothing

[steel cloud]

Thank you! I'll check them out 😄

[torn moat]

Can anyone help me with this origin set for mirroring

[somber sequoia]

hit shift s, set cursor to origin. in object mode, select an object, then in the "Object" menu, set origin, origin to 3D cursor.

[next yew]

tried it out again and its stuck in t-pose, not sure whats wrong

[torn moat]

thank you :)

[ivory whale]

hi, is there any way to prevent the arms to be in the cloth at rest position + align min angle for hands tracking to the angle of the clothing and not the character body?

[somber sequoia]

not really well, the arms are based on your IRL arms, if your avatar doesn't match up well you'll have to stand differently

[ivory whale]

and what about the default pose on desktop?

[somber sequoia]

there are probably some really complicated things you could do for this but they're really complicated.

I think the default desktop pose is somewhere in the base locomotion animator, I'm not sure if the animations are available to tweak though

you could probably create a new one and figure out how to replace that though

[ivory whale]

yeah, thanks

[somber sequoia]

(I haven't done it, so I just know the theory)

[ivory whale]

it's kinda sad that it's not possible to fix arm angles for hand tracking

[arctic ginkgo]

you aren't using VRC Constraints

i said to use "VRC Rotation Constraint"

"Rotation Constraint" is different

[next yew]

oh aum they arnt there though, is that part of something else?

[somber sequoia]

make sure you have the latest SDK, I think you need 3.7.0 or newer

[next yew]

augh okay, i'll check that

these are the only update-able ones

[somber sequoia]

yeah 3.7.5 will work

[next yew]

okay!! i shall try and see if that works

they appear to be here now, ty for the helps you both

[somber sequoia]

yup, those

[next yew]

they work now !!!

[unkempt cobalt]

Did not mean to react with 🇴

🤦

[hazy pike]

Having problems with the spine where when sitting the chest folds down over the spine... how would I fix the armature to correct this?

[somber sequoia]

that hips bone looks way too high - can you show a front pic of the full armature?

[raven orbit]

😐 https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=blender+rigging+tutorials (edit: nvm this website doesnt work 😒 )

[somber sequoia]

yeah the hip bone seems way too high

[hazy pike]

hmmm ok, I think this is how it came, how would I adjust it

would I just move the hips down, or should I slide everything else down too

[somber sequoia]

you'll probably need to re-weight paint if you do anything, but I'd probably slide the whole bone down, and make it a bit longer, and probably scale the spine one a bit too.
But I'd probably want to play with it a little, see how the mesh moves.

[hazy pike]

👍 ok!

?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure where the ideal point for the head of the hips is, but that looks more like the typical rig. #avatar-rigging has lots of discussion and a decent suggested rig image in the pins

I think ideally it's "where you want it to bend" 🙂

[hazy pike]

ok! thank you

[next yew]

cloak keeps clipping into the skirt, i think its an issue with physbones but idk how to fix it

[past kettle]

Hey all. I know that prior to becoming a "New User" you can't publish avatars, but as I recall, you can test your avatars locally regardless. I tried selecting Build and Test in the VRC SDK control panel within Unity, but I still get "Current user does not have permission to upload avatars". How would I go about using the avatar locally? Or am I in a "You're SOL, suck it up and grind New User" situation?

[midnight needle]

is it possible to add transparent (specifficaly cut-out) teggstures using Quest/mobile-compatible shaders? The Standard Unity shader has an option for the teggsture to be cutout, but Standard Lite doesn't seem to have that option...

[somber sequoia]

there's no alpha transparency on quest - cutout included

[midnight needle]

oh, oof

[left gull]

pretty sure its a SOL situation until you reach New User

[past kettle]

I swear I remember reading that you can test avatars locally...

[left gull]

testing locally is possible but only with the New User rank (and using a Vrchat account)

[next yew]

still need help with this pls, tried looking and i still dont know what the issue is

i have it weight painted to the legs so maybe that??

[chrome fog]

Any avatar makers out there who can help me learn everything easy and better because I’m stuck and idk many avi maker friends that isn’t for warhammer stuff

[wind stone]

anyone have any idea how to fix this issue?

i can move the parent

but i cant move any of the child objects

[elfin canyon]

would anybody be able to help me get an avatar into vrc? I tried working with VCC and Unity for the first time and just went through a lot of issue that i personally couldn't figure out (probably due to my lack of knowledge) please dm me if at all possible :]]

[inner stump]

Hey everyone! I need some help.

SO, I'm currently making a KJ avatar, and for one of his moves (Unlimited Flex Works), I'm planning on making a.. fake skybox, of sorts. Basically, I'm trying to put a galaxy texture on a sphere model, make it really big, and put kj inside of it. The goal is that instead of seeing the regular world, you'll mostly see a galaxy. However, when I look inside the sphere, no galaxy appears. When I look outside of the sphere, the galaxy textrue appears just fine.

Can somebody help me out with this, maybe?

[somber sequoia]

disable backface culling

[inner stump]

how do i do that?

[somber sequoia]

setting in a shader, if supported and not quest

[inner stump]

sorry lol

[inner stump]

can you elaborate?

[somber sequoia]

which shader do you use?

[inner stump]

vrchat/mobile/toonlit

im trying to make him cross compatible

[somber sequoia]

k, then you can't do this, you'll have to duplicate the sphere, and flip the faces

[inner stump]

and how do i do that? i'm really sorry im new all these terms

[raven orbit]

blender

[inner stump]

right

[somber sequoia]

blender, yep.

[inner stump]

so i open blender

then..?

[somber sequoia]

yeah I'm not going to give you a step by step here

[inner stump]

yeah i should prob search it up

brb

[somber sequoia]

"duplicate the sphere and flip the faces" should be enough, if not, learn some more blender

[somber sequoia]

that

[dark hamlet]

made a new animation clip to record keyframes for a toggle, but they're no keyframes are showing up for any actions I do

avatar isn't dropping down into animation state when I have record on either as it usually does, any clue what's going on?

[timber wharf]

clip is not attacjed to animator. drag clip onto avi root, then select it from dropdown of animation tab, not from files

hm tho it should have record button inactive if that was the case

[dark hamlet]

not sure I'm quite caught on with what this means - I had my avatar selected whilst creating the clip, the process wasn't any different from what's worked before

[stoic bobcat]

anyone know if theres a shader to somewhat replicate these eyes? Original texture is very flat so idk if theres a shader to mkae them look more 3d

[glad jungle]

is everyone female avatar name janeyyy?

[left gull]

most of

oops

most of the upload process is the same between models

so your warhammer creator friends likely can show you how to do stuff unless there something specific your asking for help with

[glad jungle]

i need learn some edit avatar

[left gull]

you've gotta be a bit more specific then that, are you trying to edit an existing model and what part are you trying to edit about it/on it?

[glad jungle]

i have model already

can't figure out

[median stream]

Best way to reduce polygons?
the only thing that stops me to make my avatar go medium or poor

[ornate stump]

Just literally remove polygon.

[lament zinc]

amerika ya

[median stream]

and how to do that without making avatar look weird?

[lament zinc]

Well it will look more minecrafty (like more squarey) but it depends how much you delete

[ornate stump]

Remove the part that doesn't make it look weird.

[lament zinc]

or just that yea

[ornate stump]

It just commonly to remove the part that's under clothes.

[median stream]

must be more than that

[lament zinc]

depends if the clothes are removable

[median stream]

did that done that didn't do actually much i would say

just got rid of 5k poly

[ornate stump]

If cloth is removable then don't aim for better than very poor performance.

[lament zinc]

I added some prefabs and now my poly went brrrrrrrr

[median stream]

Kinda came here to see what other options there is for reducing poly

[lament zinc]

so it's normal

[lament zinc]

reducing poly on the objects ig

[median stream]

only cloths for my avatar

[lament zinc]

Is it the model high poly or just prefabs you have on the avatar?

[median stream]

high poly avatar

[lament zinc]

Oh

[ornate stump]

Do you use blender to edit avatar by the way?

[lament zinc]

Well if you want it to look p e r f e c t then stick to very poor

[median stream]

yes blender been trying to work how to reduce polys and keep the avatar too look good
i used cats for it

[ornate stump]

Try using dissolve edge loop.

If you wanted to make it look good, then don't rely on cats. You have to do it manually.

[median stream]

but also heard there are other stuff out there to reduce polys for your avatar in way better way but unsure cause it's like 2 year old comment

[lament zinc]

I'ma be honest, I came here to get help but it would be rude without helping other people

[median stream]

Okayy
i will try the dissolve edge loop

and see how that works

[lament zinc]

Well if your model is very smooth then that's why it's high poly

[ornate stump]

You also have to combine multiple techniques.

[median stream]

Does polys impact on performance alot?
I feel like vrchat could make poly count a bit higher so it's easier to hit medium

oops didn't mean to reply to your comment haha
but yes it's smooth

[lament zinc]

well depends on the pc

But my pc is good for it

the fps doesn't drop

Even tho the polys are

uhh

Yes

[median stream]

only times when my frames drops is when theres alot of toggles on an avatar but not high poly count

[lament zinc]

i have more polys than u

[median stream]

just wanted my avatar for a few events cause they don't allow poor avis

kinda similar on the stats there

[lament zinc]

but you know

the main reason why it's very poor

is uh

sps

[median stream]

ohh damn

[lament zinc]

But nobody says that my avatar is heavy

So ig polys are not deadly

if it's not 200k-300k maybe

Idk

[median stream]

for me 500k polys are fine

[lament zinc]

damn

Well I never saw that much polys so I can't tell

[median stream]

For me everything else is green

[lament zinc]

lucky

[median stream]

for this avatar atleast

[ornate stump]

The performance stat also base calculation on everything else you have to see in the world: other people avatars, world itself, UI, etc.

[lament zinc]

True

[ornate stump]

That means you have to take consideration about resource you have to render other people too.

[lament zinc]

Some devices just explode from very big amount of avatars if they don't have trust settings and other on

• If you're in VR then it's worse

[median stream]

that's true but i used to have my 500k poly avatar for a while jumping public worlds without any big issue
compared to an avatar with alot of toggles

[lament zinc]

Well I'm not sure, but maybe amount of animations for the toggles do the lag

[ornate stump]

A few worlds and unknown safety settings couldn't be a good example.

[lament zinc]

So I guess your problem is solved without the solving

[median stream]

it's always been same worlds and same settings with both avatars
something i tested a while ago

kinda hard to get good stats for this

[ornate stump]

I means it's unknown to us whatever your settings were.

[median stream]

Does that matter?
cause for me the 500k poly avatar was fine compared to the other one

[left gull]

500k is so overkill for a single model

[median stream]

it is overkill yes
but it was fun to see what would kill the performance the most

[lament zinc]

hi jokester

[ornate stump]

Of course yes. Did you cull other people avatar? Does the world itself lightweight? Etc.

And it depends on your PC as well.

[median stream]

yes and no?
im on pc
and have people shown i interacted with
just a quick avatar change in the instance i could see the performance getting a bit worse

[left gull]

what?

[lament zinc]

your bio says you're a jokester

[median stream]

getting stats like that is hard as it depends on what models other people use and how many people there are in same instance

[ornate stump]

Take this into consideration: at minimum a GPU can process about 5M polygon per frame which has minimum time window 16ms to get full 60FPS. Your 500k avatar alone already exceed 10% capability of a GPU. Once you render other thing like other player and world, if the polygon count exceed what a GPU can handle, the frame time will increase and start dropping in FPS.

[median stream]

That is true yes

[ornate stump]

Excessive polygon without impactful on visual is just waste of GPU resource.

[median stream]

but for an bigger impact for performence it has been the avatar with more toggles on it

for my notice ofcourse

[light charm]

remember that your avatar isn't the center of the entire lobby
i'm so tired of people thinking that

[ornate stump]

It just impacts on a different part of rendering pipeline.

[median stream]

ye

[light charm]

not everyone will be able to render an avatar with over 100k polygons in a full lobby

[median stream]

Never noticed that but maybe for questies?
i only run in pc worlds
the 500k poly was just a test

[ornate stump]

80 players with 100k polygon each become 8M polygon which already exceed capability of lower end GPU.

[light charm]

some people don't have strong pcs, you can't expect that everyone does

[median stream]

was also in a friends public with around 40 people i knew of

option for that in settings to hide

[light charm]

you shouldn't have to hide avatars just because the creator was too lazy to optimize their avatar

[median stream]

i was not lazy i did it on purpose

no one noticed anything about it anyways

[ornate stump]

You use option to hide as an argument but that's against your intention to optimize?

[median stream]

what do you mean lol`?

[light charm]

remember, you are making avatars in a game, NOT a 3d movie, you have to put into consideration that other people will be in the lobby and may be wearing heavy avatars too

[median stream]

this avatar is for events
i don't normaly use avatar with over 250 polys as i don't have any of that

[left gull]

not sure why you'd go out of your way to push performance limits for "testing" when its already been documented pretty well in here/the docs

[light charm]

yeah

[median stream]

more fun i guess and see how my pc handles it

[light charm]

not so fun for others

[ornate stump]

You have to take consideration on other's PC as well.

[median stream]

you where not there anyways it's friend public world btw

[median stream]

and so i did

Jesus it's not that bad. friends plus i know my people and friends

[light charm]

and? i don't have to be there to tell you that not optimizing your avatar is bad

[median stream]

i did it on purpose to try
most my avatar i use uses like 150 polys

[desert elk]

this ^

optimise your stuff

[median stream]

or less

[light charm]

so you think of other people as lab rats?

[left gull]

vrchat isnt optimized all that well to begin with so constant pushing of your/other peoples PC's limits it can slowly degrade your stuff fyi

[median stream]

it's a friends lobby jesus
everyone of us use heavy avatars
we all know each other some irl and some met in game

[light charm]

that's even worse

[left gull]

you should look into uploading as a test version rather then an actual upload so you're not risking messing up your friends stuff ((if you werent doing that already))

[median stream]

sucks for you then?

[light charm]

sucks for everyone else

[median stream]

no one complained but you did for a reason?

[desert elk]

uploading test versions is so much quicker too

[desert elk]

you never know, some people aren't brave enough to say "hey, your Avi is lagging me out" they'll just disable it

[left gull]

or they'll just sit and suffer loading it

[desert elk]

I used to hang out with friends and all of them were robots because they didn't believe when I said they're avatars are lagging me "cause it works for me so it should for you"

[ornate stump]

You started with a question how to reduce polygon, and later you starts arguing having higher polygon is fine somehow? That's conflicting with your initial intention.

[median stream]

we are very close
with each other they use worse avatars than me btw

[left gull]

yikes

[median stream]

if you really want i can show you the stats later

if that's now needed

[median stream]

I never said it was fine

i only said that the impact has been low

compared to an avatar with lots of toggles

only thing i said

[ornate stump]

That also has similar meaning.

[light charm]

okay look kid, you came here to ask for help. if you are not willing to receive help, then i kindly ask you to leave or continue this discussion somewhere else.

[median stream]

Xener just let it go jesus

[desert elk]

if you're still interested in knowing how to reduce polygons, I recommend baking your avatar (for example with the tuxedo plug in)

in blender

isn't your controller the hand bones?

[ornate stump]

I don't think there is a way.

[median stream]

i was more looking for more info about other stuff like Polytool paid version

or other stuff

[desert elk]

well, I don't spend money on vrc, so I can't tell you if that works

[ornate stump]

Not directly. If avatar arms are short, the hands can't reach controller actual controller location.

[left gull]

that'd really depend on what those multiple toggles do/are if its just multiple toggles to change a blendshape on an existing/shown mesh it'd be less heavy then a toggle that turns on a entirely new mesh for example

[desert elk]

that's interesting

[median stream]

Just not to get xenar back and ping we drop it here

i think i have the stats for both avatars saved somewhere will look and find it

[left gull]

Also you might have a better time with your Polytool question in #1139216499123437668 (or by asking the creator about it directly)

[median stream]

i never do post
haha but it was worth a try here

[pallid sun]

Hi, i want to add heels to my avatar and it all looks fine until i test the movement, here i got a screen from blender, unity's scene and unity rig configuration window.

this were the feet before i added heels, i don't know why but the ankle bone keeps getting rotated to be perpendicular to the ground as it was before

[timber wharf]

well ye, you should move your bones to your heels so bone is still parallel

[sacred jetty]

im trying to merge armatures of my avatars clothing with the main body but when I use the CATs plugin to merge the armatures, it doesnt get rid of the armature from the clothing. Is there an easy way to fix this or will I have to rename every bone on the clothing?

[left gull]

re-name the bones to your armatures bones (not sure if theres a plugin that can do this for you or if manually is the only option) though based off your screenshot it doesnt seem like the armatures are lined up exactly the same so you'll also need to go in a weightpaint the outfit in a few areas after you merge aswell

also not too sure if CATS is destructive for specifically merging armatures together but learning how to do stuff outside of that plugin is always good

[sacred jetty]

the shoes im using didnt have an armature and I tried doing data transfers but it doesnt work. What should I do.

[native urchin]

Is it possible to make an avatar asset with colliders that block movement? Like a cage with actual walls or a fort with multiple levels you can climb.

[sharp sail]

how do I get rid of that?

[true flower]

Ok, so, semi-stupid question: I have some avatars from Booth and I love them, but the menus are in Japanese. Translating the text is simple enough, but is there anything I should know about swapping the menu entries into English I should know about? Like, I can't just change the name, I have to find the actual process and change it there too, that kind of thing?

[ornate stump]

Just change menu entry name and that's it.

[true flower]

Oh good. I was hoping it'd be that simple. I was afraid there might be a spiderweb of connections that would have to be dealt with. 🥰

Thank you!

[sharp sail]

is fixed now

[cold palm]

i've had this issue with a base of the same creator, i managed to fix it by using another body mesh of the same avatar that i had already imported months ago

Oh nvm should read before answering lmao

[sharp sail]

thanks anyway

[next cape]

Why is my avatar materials Black? Nothing should be different so I don't understand whats wrong?

It works on the standard shader, but not VRC Standard

[junior void]

vertex colors

[next cape]

Can I get a little bit more explanation?

Because if your talking about the color box on the right I did that for the visor and the same thing happened.

[raven orbit]

3d models can come with colors baked into the mesh as each vertex, hence "vertex colors"
it has to be removed in blender

[next cape]

Like they did with the first video gmes right?

I'll see what I can do, but can they be removed on the model settings?

[raven orbit]

I don't believe so. I think a lot of tools for editing models directly in unity are paid tools

the assumption on unity's part is that anything added into an imported model file is intentional on the creator's part. wouldn't make sense to have it any other way

[timber wharf]

vrc quest tool can remove vertex colors

tho im unsure on how up to date package is

[spark walrus]

Quick question, is there somewhere a picture on how the looking up / looking down blendshapes should look like?

[somber sequoia]

it's really just to move your eyelids or eyebrows when looking

so however you think the character would do that

[raven orbit]

examples

only shows one eye at a time for these but the blendshape should include both

[spark walrus]

Appreciate it, thanks 👍

[timid terrace]

I made a video how to remove vertex colours today lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktdppffngDY

[wild egret]

How do I properly re-import an optimised mesh from blender?
I've imported the mesh and I can see that mesh is indeed smaller.

However, whenever I change the mesh from the original to the new one, it doesnt render anymore. The earphones disappear. There is also no warning. I fixed the import settings to have read-write-enabled it that makes a difference. Did I break something in blender here? How can I debug this?

[timber wharf]

@wild egret look at bounds size, you forgor to enable scaling - fbx all when exporting from blender

[wild egret]

Good point. I fixed it and now the bounds are almost equal.

however, it doesnt seem to fix the core issue of the texture not being rendered

when I manually drag the new earphones into the scene and set the correct material. it seems to work. BUT when I then move from default mesh renderer to skinned mesh renderer, it fails. what could this mean?

Or alternatively. Is it an issue, if I just use mesh renderers instead of skinned ones for the optimised variant?

[timber wharf]

skinned required only for stuff with bones/blendshapes

"rigid" one is more performant and should be used when possible

[dark creek]

I gave her and armiture, what's the next step?

[wild egret]

Ok, I'm fine with ignoring these for optimised mobile variants.

[somber sequoia]

huh that seems like a lot of polys. But I'd say weight painting is probably next.

[dark creek]

is there a way to mirror weight painting across two bones?

[somber sequoia]

yeah it respects mirroring just fine

look in the "Tool" tab on the right-side popup (the one that toggles with 'n')

[normal cave]

Hello I need help with VCC

[somber sequoia]

#creator-companion is probably the best place

[raven orbit]

mirroring also requires that the vertices have the same location on either side of the model. if you happened to use any sort of dynatopo or decimation on the model, it won't be able to mirror it.

[somber sequoia]

Yeah good point, I was assuming the model is mirrored

[raven orbit]

the wireframe kinda looks like it was sculpted with dynatopo (not a good practice for finished models), but it's also difficult to see at that resolution

multires is way better for this 💯

[somber sequoia]

yeah - I kinda want to see detail now, it might need a complete retopo if it's to move right

joint topology is really important

[dark creek]

OK but what I need to do is have the weight mirrored to another bone, for example
painting along the left arm bone, and have it affect the right arm bone independently and separately

[raven orbit]

read our prior conversation from below that message

[white sparrow]

question, how does one go about activating something on an avatar by movement?

[somber sequoia]

what kind of movement?

[white sparrow]

movement in general. as in, my movement. when i move, it activates. I seem to recall there was something revolving around velocity that was kind of janky back in the day, but I dont remember anything beyond that.

[somber sequoia]

Yeah you can use the velocity parameters in the animator if that's the kind of movement you mean

they're listed here: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/

[dark creek]

I still need an exact instruction please

[somber sequoia]

But the blender manual has such things, and I literally told you where the option to enable this is located.

[raven orbit]

you need to tell us if it was sculpted by dynamic topology or not. we cant give an exact instruction because if the mesh is not suitible for mirrored rigging, then our instructons are not going to work.

[somber sequoia]

You do also have to have your bones mirrored, and named properly

[dark creek]

I mirrored the rigging

yeah I did all that naming and mirroring

[somber sequoia]

Ok so show an image of the mesh topology or just go and try it yourself

I'm not sure what more you need

[wild egret]

I'm trying to open my avatar on my android smartphone. I've uploaded the avi for all build targets (Windows, Android, iOS). But on my smartphone I cannot chose to change to that avatar. I've added the avatar stats below. I don't know, which of the remaining red stats are responsible for the inability to use that avatar.

[somber sequoia]

Phones don't do VeryPoors

[wild egret]

Can someone give a hint? All other stats are green.

[wild egret]

And I cannot change that in MY own settings?

[somber sequoia]

no

[wild egret]

Ok, so according to this (https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/ I need to get the polys down to 20k and merge the materials and skinned meshes to get a Poor rating - which is when mobile players can see me then?

[somber sequoia]

Also material slots. But yes.

[wild egret]

Ok, thanks for the info!

Getting this avatar to 20k polys seems difficult. Like how do I even make sure, that the avi remains somewhat comparable with the desktop version?

😅

[somber sequoia]

Yep, that's always a challenge

[wild egret]

I've already gone from unoptimized 160k to optimized 45k now. Much by removing stuff I don't use - and the rest by decimating in blender.

[crystal kernel]

so it says i have 25 slots, but i only have 11 materials. and 13 objects that use these. is there something im missing

[somber sequoia]

1 material used on 5 mesh objects = 5 material slots

also particle systems use materials too

[crystal kernel]

ah i see

is this a big deal?

[somber sequoia]

Sometimes 2 - if your particle system has trails, it's a material for the particle and one for the trail

yes - each slot causes a draw call, which is expensive for the GPU

[crystal kernel]

💔

[somber sequoia]

fewer = better. Particles are probably less important since they're usually not always on

[crystal kernel]

i really need the separated objects tho. best i can do is merge the body materials but thatll shave off 5 materials

tho, the avatar is on "poor" performance

[somber sequoia]

well that's better than very poor!

[arctic ginkgo]

When you need to get it down that low look for areas with low amounts of deformation and low amounts of necessary detail for the silhouette. Then go and remove edge loops. Once you've done this the most you can, start finding areas that transition from necessary details in the geometry to unnecessary and collapse some of the edge loops. Don't be afraid of triangles, just keep them in reasonably flat areas and try to have less of them in areas that deform a lot

Also you can delete sections of the model that are always hidden by other objects. For example if your clothes always cover your hips and chest, remove them

[somber sequoia]

oh you're quite close to medium there, very nice

[arctic ginkgo]

If your hair always covers your scalp, remove the top of your head

[crystal kernel]

i really feel like half of these cant be fixed, i guess i can disable trails for my fireball object

[somber sequoia]

medium is max of 16

[arctic ginkgo]

Is there a reason they need to be separate?

[crystal kernel]

16 what? materials

[crystal kernel]

most. though i can merge together the numbers ig

[somber sequoia]

Yes, 16 material slots

[wild egret]

Good point. I didn't think about the polys below the shorts.

[somber sequoia]

(sorry, read it wrong twice)

[wild egret]

I didn't quite understand everything but I'll try my best.

[arctic ginkgo]

What is the reason they need to be separate? That is what I'm asking

[crystal kernel]

theyre seperate interactables and effects

[arctic ginkgo]

But what are you doing with them that means they have to have different mesh renderers?

[crystal kernel]

individually turn on/off their mesh renderer

[somber sequoia]

You can hide things in other ways, such as UV tile discarding.

[crystal kernel]

hm

[gloomy flint]

oughhh so anyone know how to properly 'hide' a prefab that its turned on by default and ANIMATED off after the avatar's turned on? Like i got this tv prefab for avatars and its on by default so if my animations are turned off on someone's shield they just see a black box in front of me,,,

[somber sequoia]

You'd need to have it turned off by default

[gloomy flint]

i am unsure of how to do that dawg ill be real

[somber sequoia]

click prefab, uncheck the top left checkbox in the inspector

(check that via animation to enable it)

[gloomy flint]

i tried doing that for another prefab and it just disabled it entirely? huh-

[crystal kernel]

is there an updated version for the CATS plugins?

i cant seem to use it on blender 4.0

[somber sequoia]

yes, that's what you're doing here. You can enable/disable anything for this

[somber sequoia]

Yes, it's been linked in here a bunch, and googling for it ought to find it

[crystal kernel]

oh nvm its already active hahaha

[gloomy flint]

no i mean if i unchecked the box i couldnt turn it on in vrchat

[somber sequoia]

you'd need to make your animation to enable it check that box

[gloomy flint]

really wish vrcfury had a component that could just do it for me because its stupid how hard it is to change animation settings...

[somber sequoia]

create animation file, drag into layer on avatar. select avatar. choose that animation from dropdown in animator. hit record. check said box. select different animation from dropdown to reset avatar pose. Profit.

[gloomy flint]

where do i drag it???

[somber sequoia]

whatever animator layer you want to put this into

[gloomy flint]

the prefab HAS an FX layer but again i have no idea what i'm doing with any of this.

[somber sequoia]

there are tutorial videos, the visuals probably help

[gloomy flint]

can i ask if you know any that isn't from like 2022 lmao-

[somber sequoia]

why? Unity animation hasn't changed since then

[gloomy flint]

a lot of ui changes, dawg.

[somber sequoia]

not in this area

[gloomy flint]

i dont even know what i'm looking for

[ornate stump]

It's just color and shapes that changed, not much else.

[gloomy flint]

i have never messed with animator layers before because i don't know what i'm doing

[ornate stump]

That's why you should look into the tutorial. Old tutorials still work with the same principle.

[gloomy flint]

emphasis

I don't know what I'm looking for

That's why I'm asking for help

[somber sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=089HQiyn6-E

[gloomy flint]

Thank you

[somber sequoia]

haven't watched but this creator has some great videos, and the name is "simple toggle tutorial"

I'd say watch all of their videos.

[dark creek]

How do I fix her scalp so it follows the rest of her head, and yes I did propper weight painting

[crystal kernel]

is it a child of the head?

[dark creek]

it's apart of the whole body mesh

[crystal kernel]

is the vertex group controlled by the correct bone?

not that you accidentally painted it to the wrong bone

[dark creek]

I made sure it is painted on the head bone

[dark creek]

I don't know what I did wrong

[somber sequoia]

it's really hard to see from that picture

[dark creek]

here you go

[somber sequoia]

Looks like just improper weight paint

the white part should move more, or the grey part less

[dark creek]

it's all red

[somber sequoia]

unless you've normalized the weights, that doesn't mean a whole lot

(you should normalize weights, I tend to paint with auto-normalization on)

[crystal kernel]

check other bones

[somber sequoia]

^ this

[crystal kernel]

ive had this exact issue with my pfp (exported from Spore). it had a lot of issues with weights being influenced by bones form the other side of the body

[dark creek]

this is a fucking nightmare!

[crystal kernel]

i feel your pain

[somber sequoia]

you can also go into edit mode, and click a vertex, and see which weight groups it belongs to and what values

It gets easier... kinda 🙂

[crystal kernel]

poor optimisation is visible by mobile users right?

[gloomy flint]

only Very Poor is hidden by default

[dark creek]

I am trying my best, smoothing and normalizing everything

but I can't fix her head

[gloomy flint]

@ Kazin the video helped a LOT, the prefab already HAD animations so all I had to do was rewrite them with new ones that used the checkmark instead of the regular toggle tysm

[crystal kernel]

go into pose mode and move the arms, legs / chest and see if any of those have influence

[somber sequoia]

oh very nice! I'm glad that worked well

[dark creek]

Ok I think I fixed it

[somber sequoia]

And now you know more stuff 🙂

[gloomy flint]

yee

i wish more prefab creators would use the checkmark animation instead of some weird original animation when they both do the same thing but one makes the prop invisible when your avatar isn't Shown

like,, ah,, yes,,, i love having my entire house show up in the middle of the bar for people who have their shield on,,,,,

[crystal kernel]

🤨 wah

[gloomy flint]

i bought prefabs before like a rabbit hutch and i found out some people use a weird animation set up where the prefab itself stays on by default and animates to an off position

so if someone has animations turned off for other people, the rabbit hutch is still visible to them

😭

but now i know how to make these things actually NOT show up for them unless they load my avatar which will make customizations so much easier too

[dark creek]

nevermind

And the mirror on the paint doesn't work

I have to go over every joint and repaint it manually

[somber sequoia]

probably your topology isn't mirrored

[dark creek]

it worked before

but I did it

[somber sequoia]

then either you changed something or have the mirroring settings incorrect

[dark creek]

through all the maual work I did it

[arctic ginkgo]

Sorry was ice skating I couldn't reply immediately, there are many other ways to hide it. Uv tile discard works on PC only, but for quest you can also use blendshapes and bone scaling

[somber sequoia]

huh that's what I should do this week, go ice skating.

[arctic ginkgo]

If you are moving around the objects it's probably best to use bones. Then you can move them around and then scale them to 0 when you want to hide them

I'd suggest using 2 bones, a container bone for animating and a weighted bone for scaling to 0 to hide it

[next cape]

That fixed it! Thanks a ton everybody.

[tranquil niche]

hey all

[crystal kernel]

hey all

[tranquil niche]

i'm doing some animations, what is the difference between these?

[somber meadow]

Use "IsActive", also you should be using VRChat constraints

[tranquil niche]

are they functionally the same? is one better for performance?

[somber meadow]

Unity Constraints have bad performance issues that exponentially get worse over the more constraints there are in the scene

[tranquil niche]

Would it be really easy to just switch out?

[trim tiger]

is there any way to disable a physbone (or just change its characteristics) while ingame through an animation, because from what i'm experiencing here, once a physbone's options are set, they're locked in

[tranquil niche]

these constraints make it so i can take a shoe off with a hand and hold the shoe, i also made it so there's a pose/gesture overwrite so my hand holds the she correctly

[crystal kernel]

you can uncheck the checkmark to disable the component

in the animation

[trim tiger]

so physbones react to that?

but not their characteristics being changed via animation?

[crystal kernel]

well you literally disable the component

the code is not being run of the phybone

[somber sequoia]

there's even a tool to do this in the SDK

iirc it's in the "three dots" menu for the component

[tranquil niche]

I see and I assume it wouldn't mess anything in the animator up either huh>

[somber sequoia]

it ought to fix those, but you may wish to check, not all the paramters are exactly the same

[tranquil niche]

i'll give that a go if the other stuff i've just done hasn't broken the whole system entirely

[trim tiger]

isn't the component just telling the game to turn that bone into a physbone on upload and then it's locked in as one regardless of the component's characteristics or status

[tranquil niche]

i'm seeing if i can be slightly more independant this time, it will most likely blow up in my face but the more I learn and play around, the less I have to waste yalls time

[crystal kernel]

nope, i just tested it and disabling the phybone component removes the physics assosiated with it

[trim tiger]

huh
odd that the characteristics of the physbone don't react to being changed by animation though

thanks

[crystal kernel]

hey so im trying to make this object be world constraint, but its not working, anyone any idea how or why

oh i found the solution

[hollow niche]

I wanted to put GogoLoco on Nicoreda's Wickerbeast avatar, I managed to do it and upload the PC version, but I'm having trouble with the Quest version. I set all of the materials to the VRChat/Mobile/Standard Lite shader, but the SDK still says that something is using the Standard shader, which is unsupported. I literally cannot figure out where this other material is, can someone help me?

[silk crest]

Hey gang
I'm brand new to vrchat, and I commissioned a rigged model before I knew anything about it. Can someone assist me in the process to upload it?

[somber sequoia]

don't forget to check material swaps or particles for wrong shaders.
Also probably upgrade Unity, that version has memory leaks.

[somber sequoia]

a good place to start is with tutorial videos, then ask specific questions here if you get stuck

[hollow niche]

I barely know anything about Unity, what is a "material swaps"?
And I assume particles would be attached to the prefab, right?

[silk crest]

Thank you!

[arctic ginkgo]

You can change any of the values except for force values. If you want to update those you'll need to disable the physbone and then enable it again for it to update

AFAIK you can change things like angle limit, collider size, collision, grabbing, posing, etc

[trim tiger]

odd, i tried to cut the angle to 1 degree via an animation and it just didn't give a shit

[somber sequoia]

not sure which prefab, but you may have a particle system on the avatar.
for material swap I mean if you have some toggle which uses an animation to switch which material is applied. The new material needs to use the right shader as well.

[arctic ginkgo]

Forces and a few other things like stretch will need you to disable and re-enable the physbone component

[hollow niche]

Ohh, I see. I'll keep looking, then.

[arctic ginkgo]

Maybe you can't adjust the angle itself? I swear I've adjusted the angle offset via animation for a skirt

[hollow niche]

Ugh I wish the Select button would just show me where the error is coming from rather than selecting the whole model 💀

[jaunty horizon]

i need help with the Avatar SDK3

when i click add component and search Avatar or Descriptor, there is no components for the Avatar Descriptor

[somber sequoia]

how did you install the avatars SDK?

[jaunty horizon]

imported the unitypackage into hierarchy

[somber sequoia]

generally these days using VCC/VPM is preferred, but make sure you have base and avatars SDKs installed

[jaunty horizon]

they are both in packages yeah?

[somber sequoia]

I'm not 100% sure - I don't do it manually

[tranquil niche]

I did forget to mention in the video, that this does not work in game and that i also don't know if i need to be looking inside of the gesture controller to do other things as well

[hollow niche]

I decided to select all children so I could look easier, and I found this ONE Game Object under the Armatures that was using the Standard shader. I honestly didn't think anything under Armatures would be using a material, thank you so much for your help!

[somber sequoia]

yeah sometimes things are quite buried, and you have to search. glad you found it!

[eternal crater]

Why's my avatar floating??

[somber sequoia]

Show a full pic of the avatar in Unity, you cropped that so we can't see anything useful

[round comet]

Anyone familiar with procreate’s 3d model painting feature? Avi related since I’m using it for texture work :3

[somber sequoia]

Or just check the position of the root - it may not be at the origin

[somber sequoia]

looks reasonably right, interesting. Does it look ok in play mode?

[eternal crater]

Yeah, it looks the same. It's floating only in VRChat

[somber sequoia]

ooh that's not right either

[eternal crater]

I'm out of ideas as to why it's doing it though

[small raft]

does anyone know why my PNG avatar is in the floor when im in vrchat but in unity it looks completely fine?

[balmy barn]

root of your avatar is in the middle of a quad if you made it in unity pay attention to this line when you have a vrcdescriptor

[small raft]

i dont even see the line

[eternal crater]

Anyone else have any ideas?

[jaunty horizon]

yep installing everything through VCC fixed it.

[somber sequoia]

oh good!

[next cape]

When I uploaded my avatar, the eye look SHOULD be here, but in game the eye look is more to the left, can anyone help?

It's more like this in game.

[timber wharf]

your avi rotated wrong way

white line should look forward, fix origin in blender

[somber sequoia]

is this the only error message?

[limpid musk]

yes

[shrewd stirrup]

Does anyone know how to make a screen shader like leviant ubershader only show particles and players?

[silk crest]

How long does it take for you to be able to upload an avatar?

[somber sequoia]

#shaders is probably a good place to ask this

[shrewd stirrup]

ok

[limpid musk]

yeah and nothing seems to happen and the avatar never imports

[wraith saffron]

How would I regenerate an imposter?

[somber sequoia]

on the website, you can delete it then generate anew

[wraith saffron]

Is it really not on the client? Strange.

[somber sequoia]

yep

[broken summit]

i need help 😦

[somber sequoia]

with what specifically?

[broken summit]

too big of a memory for vrchat 😭

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's impressively large. Like 400+MB too large, and it doesn't seem like there's a lot of stuff there, at a glance.

[broken summit]

How do i fix it?

[somber sequoia]

find out what is large, make it not large. There's lots of discussion in #avatar-optimization too.

could be lots of props I can't see, could be excessively large images or many images, could be mesh objects with lots of shape keys - can't tell from a glance

[broken summit]

thxs

[keen spear]

so im attempting to upload this avi to vrchat for pc and then ill put it for quest, and its telling me this

[next yew]

how do i do this exact effect like this person; #avatar-help message
its perfectly fine in gesture manager but immediately breaks apon using the avatar in game. i just added more bones but idk how i would set up the constraints

[proper depot]

Hellloo, would anyone know why my material locks when going into play mode? Its not linked to another material and am unable to edit it in play mode because it turns pink when I unlock it? :0

[proper depot]

what exactly is the thing that is breaking? :0

[low mason]

i just finished updating this avatar, before the update the hands were fine, but now the hands are bent 90* towards me, my hands in this photo are pointed away from me irl, but are pointing sideways in-game, could i get some help with this? i did modify the rig of the model in blender.

[proper depot]

did you rotate them at any point?

The hands

[low mason]

no

[proper depot]

handbones*

[low mason]

they look fine in unity

and blender

i think it might be a bone roll issue, since this model was ripped out of a UE4 game

im unsure how to fix it however, iv never had this issue before

[next yew]

the cloak! :( i had physbones on it and it seems to work fine in gesture manager, but when i uploaded and tryed the avatar in vrc it just ends up wrinkled. i saw someone use constraints to somehow prevent clipping and remain in place and rested on the body but im unsure how to set up the same effect.

[proper depot]

ohhhh like clipping through the floor?? Or

Sorry if im misunderstanding

[next yew]

yes that and clipping inside the body, i want to make it so it dosent end up inside the ground and instead lays on top of it and find a solution to clipping inside the skirt

[tight mortar]

it's not letting me switch the upload to android but i have easyquestswitch downloaded (which idk if that's actually what helps to switch the avatar to android, but im assuming that by the name)
it hasn't ever done this every other time i've uploaded an avatar tho :(

[low mason]

you didnt install android support

[tight mortar]

how do i do that?

[low mason]

you need to install android in unity hub for the unity version

[proper depot]

but skirts, capes, anything that goes around like that are really hard to prevent clipping on unfortantely unless its weightpainted to the body, that being said, you could use colliders and put angles on the actual bones themselves to not have them move as much

[tight mortar]

oh alr, thanks

[low mason]

use a physbone collider in a capsule shape

[proper depot]

the colliders would prevent the cloak from goin in ur body alot more tho, they are just heavier on the avi

[proper depot]

yeee thats what i did personally

[next yew]

oo okay, any clue or tutorials that i can use to learn to do that?

[proper depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywpRj-SDxag&t=74s

^^

[next yew]

oh wait i have an example of what im trying to do for the ground part

[next yew]

ty ty

[weak furnace]

I'm new to editing avatars, does anyone know how to make the hair not clip through body/clothing?

[somber sequoia]

read what was just discussed about skirts - same idea

[next yew]

pretty much how this tail sits on the ground (it has physbones but when standing still i dosent clip through the floor), i want to do that same effect for the coat and skirt

[young pivot]

add a physbone collider to bones on the body and have the hair phys bones add the collider as a target

[weak furnace]

oh i see thank you kazin and iznxai!

[paper tundra]

Would someone be willing to help me get started and understand how this stuff works? I bought an avatar like an idiot and I have no idea how to use any of it. x.x

[coarse dove]

can someone help me with my avatar?

[somber sequoia]

Probaly best to start with tutorial videos then ask questions - have you done that yet?

[somber sequoia]

ask specific questions, provide details

[paper tundra]

Yeah, I did. I was curious if there were maybe some that you folks'd be able to suggest as well :D

[coarse dove]

i turnned all the mats to toonlit and still says this

i deleted the mats that wasn't used too

[somber sequoia]

You have one that you didn't change, somewhere on the avatar. It may be hard to find, might be used in an animation, maybe a particle system.

[somber sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwMz4WcajQ is what I usually tell people to start with

[copper marlin]

Can someone please help me make an atlas of my avatar? I've tried following multiple tutorials but every time one of the materials turns black and I can't figure out why

[coarse dove]

like in these?

[somber sequoia]

not entirely sure what this is as you cropped out any context, but if that's a list of animations.... sure

[coarse dove]

i think im still confused

im a bit slow sometimes

[somber sequoia]

You may have an animation which swaps a different material onto the avatar. That material would also need a quest shader.

[coarse dove]

ohhh

no i don't have nothing like that

those are visablity toggles

also

even when i went in search and filtered it to mats and i turnned it all into toonlit, it still said something is on standerd

0

@somber sequoia ? you there? sorry for pinging

[somber sequoia]

I don't have anything further to add, I can't exactly search for the material from here

[weak furnace]

AA it works thank you both kazin n izn

[somber sequoia]

nice!

[coarse dove]

can i give you the project 😭 this is the last step and i tried all week to get this done

[paper tundra]

This was very helpful and straightforward, thank you!

[somber sequoia]

I'm not taking commissions at the moment

[worn kiln]

Go to https://canary.discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1204506421631393913 if you need comission.

[young pivot]

I am attempting to decrease the maximum value for a blendshape from 100 to 68 for face tracking as anything past 68 will cause clipping for the face mesh.

Ive proposed several solutions but I do not know how to go about any of them in an efficient way,

I was thinking to limit the blendtree for eyes closing to not go past 68 and any required animations to also follow this

Or

lower the max shapekey value to 68 in blender and reimport which adds the risk of an import error which I somehow run into often when doing so.

I believe solution 2 would still have a conflict occur if blender handles the shapekey values as 0-68 instead of moving the state at 68 to the 100 value and all animations would have to be re-done in blender

There could also be another solution in blender where you can just overwrite the blendshape entirely to make it yourself

I want to avoid blender as much as possible because of how finnicky the import system is.

If anyone has done Face tracking before and has edited the face mesh then corrected blink and other common clipping issues please please let me know, or if you know what part of the animator I'd need to change in order to prevent the blendshape going past a certain value besides having to change about 50 different animations

Thank you in advance

[somber sequoia]

I'd edit the animation if I were doing this in Unity. Otherwise yeah, blender, which is pretty easy to do.

[keen spear]

im getting this when trying to upload my avi to pc, im planing on uploading to quest after

[raven orbit]

sounds like the shader had errors when it tried to compile. you'd have to remove/replace it likely. Also wouldn't be an issue for uploading to quest because you'd have to replace all the materials anyway

[keen spear]

my friend said theyd help me but they are gone rnn

idek where the shader thing is

[somber sequoia]

at the top of a material, you can pick the shader it uses

[swift mango]

is uploading avatar server down rn?

i was uploading avs fine as always, but suddenly this happens

i uploaded this avatar like 30 mins ago to my acc, and now trying on a friend's acc, its giving me this error

nvm i found out why, it was the thumbnail, i changed it to another picture and it let me

[silk crest]

Hey! I'm a little confused by everything. Is there anyone experienced in helping me get a rigged model vrchat ready?

[somber sequoia]

maybe, where are you stuck?

[silk crest]

So I commissioned a model. I have it imported to unity, and everything looks alien to me. That's the furthest I've gotten to. A tposing bird

[somber sequoia]

I just posted this earlier, it may help: #avatar-help message

[silk crest]

Thank you!!

[arctic ginkgo]

does anyone know the maximum amount of contacts you can run on quest?

i know there is a limit that will start removing contacts

it's like the max you can run across all avatars

[raven orbit]

16, though i think local contacts don't count towards performance rank (i cant remember where i saw that though)

[somber sequoia]

that's a new thing, yeah

and much appreciated

[raven orbit]

agree, i was very excited when i saw that announced

[arctic ginkgo]

16??

that seems pretty extreme

that's the limit of contacts you can have total on an avatar

that's really the limit across all avatars as well??

i thought it was closer to like 32 or 64

[raven orbit]

excluding local contacts, i would assume? im unsure on that

[raven orbit]

the good rank max is 4 lmao

[arctic ginkgo]

where are you getting the info on this from?

i couldn't find it in the docs but maybe i didn't look hard enough

[raven orbit]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system

[arctic ginkgo]

i just want to be sure my question is being answered correctly because i am not asking about the max amount of contacts you can have on an avatar

[raven orbit]

"avatar dynamics contacts" is the full name of that statistic

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm asking about how many contacts you can run locally on quest (across all avatars shown)

[raven orbit]

oh... im not sure it says that anywhere

[arctic ginkgo]

i know that limit exists

both because i remember reading it and i just ran into it

[raven orbit]

interesting, i'd have to look further into it

[arctic ginkgo]

trying to mitigate how often that affects my avatar

i have an avatar that has like awesome skirt physics on quest and PC

but it relies on a bunch of contacts to make use of corrective animations

it's really reactive to leg movements in order to work well for FBT

i made it for my partner who has FBT

but it uses like 12 contacts

10 for the skirt and 2 for another gimmick

[raven orbit]

oh, i usually try to use constraints for that

[spark walrus]

I am having an issue were my unity editor freezes and says "Waiting for Unity to finish compiling scripts" in my Avatar project

[arctic ginkgo]

although i was able to reduce it to 11 by using the hand contact and some constraints

[arctic ginkgo]

constraints don't play nice with physbones 😔

you can constrain parents of physbones decently but you can't constrain physbone affected transforms without it freaking out

also it's like a super long skirt

like floor-length ballgown

not like miniskirt type of thing

this is the avatar

[raven orbit]

last one i set up i had bones for the actual mesh and unweighted physbones, and a rotation constraint with sources for both the leg and the physbone

[arctic ginkgo]

the other contact is for a wrist-flick gimmick to open and close the fan

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah i thought about doing that

but it does give you less control

i get more control over how the skirt moves with different values

so it won't move if you only move your legs a little bit

stuff like that

it reacts differently based on the "height" of your legs

it also reacts based on your knee/foot distance

[raven orbit]

true, what i was rigging was a jacket, not a skirt, so it probably needs to be different

[arctic ginkgo]

it tracks the distance between both your knees and your feet and then it also subtracts them to figure out which one is larger

then it uses the largest distance to spread open the skirt as your legs open

makes it work if you spread your legs all the way (like a jumping jack) or if only your knees are spread (like sitting criss-cross)

that's 4 contacts (sender and receiver for each pair), then 4 more contacts for rotating the skirt and finding the height

i have 1 sender and 3 recievers used to get the x,y, and z coords of the average of your knee position

and 2 more used to get an estimate on the average rotation of your knees

the setup looks kinda ridiculous

but it works amazingly

there's other stuff too like your foot distance increasing the size of a collider at the bottom of the skirt

floor collider

and hinge limits to reduce twisting and inward movement

[somber sequoia]

huh, this looks pretty smart

[arctic ginkgo]

also on the sleeves i have the whole sleeve on another bone that uses curves to hinge it and have gravity so it always points the whole sleeve down (seperate from your arm)

on the forearm part of the sleeve

only other concern i have is the size of those contacts for tracking the legs

because they have a size limit

works fine at default height but might break when making the avatar larger

i think i can fix it i just have to make them smaller and then make the position constraints on them have a fractional weight

if i make them 0.5x smaller i'd have to make the global weight 0.5x what it is currently

[spark walrus]

Anyone know why these bones are not showing up in Unity?

[raven orbit]

you need to change the multi child type

it's likely set to "ignore"

[spark walrus]

Thats in unity right

Oh on the physbone

Ok it worked thanks lol

[tranquil niche]

Is making an object grabbable with a physbone modifier hard?

[arctic ginkgo]

these are the blendtrees i'm using for it:
skirt up = changes rotation of skirt based on height
collider size = changes collider size based on knee distance
skirt tracker = spreads out skirt based on knee or foot distance
legs back = lifts up back of skirt based on distance on local y axis between upper legs and lower legs (approximate for leg rotation)

skirt movement changes how far you have to rotate your legs from your hips before it starts moving at all (only when your feet are lower). This prevents the skirt from feeling "stuck" to your legs when standing upright and moving your hips

all the various skirt directions rotate the skirt based on the X and Y position of your legs from your hips. The variations of this change a few things like the "stuck to legs" issue as well as where the center of the blendtree moves your skirt (straight up vs straight down)

There's also a check for FBT, which when you don't have it also checks for your VelocityX and VelocityZ parameters to disable all of this when moving fast enough (so the skirt doesn't go crazy with the locomotion animations)

Also when your leg height is "higher" the skirt will spread open easier with your legs spread when it's based on foot distance since it's assumed you are sitting down or doing the splits lol, that needs your skirt spread pretty wide

there's also just lots of small adjustments made with the thresholds to get everything to line up well

it doesn't handle bending your knees extremely or splitting your legs apart at the knees very well, but for most things it works pretty well

[arctic ginkgo]

shouldn't be, you just need to make sure the physbone component is on the parent of the bone/gameobject that you want to grab, and make sure you have stretch

if you want your item to be able to go anywhere, set max stretch to "inf"

this will make it infinite

[tranquil niche]

hmmmmm

and that should just let other people grab the item too?

should is a big word

[arctic ginkgo]

yes, there's other settings you'd need to setup as well, but i assume you know how to setup physbones in general

make sure you have a collision radius > 0

[tranquil niche]

XD ummmmmm

[arctic ginkgo]

and probably set immobile to 1

should be good then

also if you don't want people to pose it disable posing

makes it so people can click their top trigger and lock it in place

[tranquil niche]

would i have to do anything in the animator tab if i wanted this to work? or is having it enabled good enough to run tests?

[obsidian rivet]

is there anything out there about doing 2D animated sprites with rotations and stuff sort of like this doom one?, I can't find anything just by searching 2D avatars

[crystal kernel]

I did see some avatars that do it, tho I don't know the logic behind it

https://gorbit99.gumroad.com/l/doom-1-doom-guy

Look

At

That

It's free

So

Take a look at how this guy did it

@obsidian rivet

[topaz mulch]

the quest compatiable shader dosent work with some moth wings i have and idk how to fix it to appear on the front too

[raven orbit]

It culls backfaces. You'd have to go into blender and duplicate those faces, then invert the normals

[obsidian rivet]

I'll try and see if I can gather anything from that, it's a bit hard for me to gather what to do from already done avatars since I'm not familiar with unity but I can always look around more

[topaz mulch]

well that sucks to do but thx

[crystal kernel]

You could duplicate and mirror the wings. But that's like not the way to go

[topaz mulch]

idk how to mirror in unity

[raven orbit]

Not sure that would work in unity...

If they are mirrored on the X axis then the weight painting would be on the wrong sides

[crystal kernel]

You have the mesh, just have a new object with that mesh assigned

And child of the og wings

Unless.... the wings are part of the model

But again

Your way is the way to go

[raven orbit]

If the wings aren't a static object it wouldn't work regardless of whether it was part of another mesh or not

[crystal kernel]

Besides, you can just replace the imported fbx file and re-assign the renderers

[topaz mulch]

yeah thats true

the issue ill have tho is im bad at blender lmao

[raven orbit]

Never too late to learn it 💯 (or too early)

[topaz mulch]

i knowww just kinda tired of learning how to move the camera differently for every program lmao

[raven orbit]

Yeah this tripped me up when i had to switch to maya (and also when i first had to switch from mmd to blender)

[next yew]

ive reuploaed this 20 times and i still dont know how to fix the stupid cloak from clipping, ive tried moving the collider 50 gazillion times including the phys bones gravity in different positions and it still refuses to do my bidding

[obsidian rivet]

I'm used to blender and J.A.C.K's camera controls so learning anything else is so weird

[upper shoal]

my character has textures that are meant to be used unlit so im using an unlit shader but i also am using transparent textures for the mouth and eyebrow and i cant find any option for transparency in any of these

[obsidian rivet]

I on instinct hit mouse 3 or press z to move around with the mouse then when it doesn't happen I need a full minute to comprehend it

[upper shoal]

peak pfp

[raven orbit]

If this is for quest/mobile then there isn't any (at least not for cutout transparency)

[upper shoal]

its alright if i can just do pc

how do i do it on pc

[raven orbit]

You'd need a shader like poiyomi

I don't know much about the default shaders, but poiyomi is the most common for stylized shading

[upper shoal]

alright, tsym

[obsidian rivet]

I can't really tell from looking at that avatar how they did it so I might just have to do some digging around to see if anybody made a tutorial on 2d avatars

[raven orbit]

I would assume having a sprite-based turnable 2d avatar would require being able to detect the location of the viewpoint of a user that is looking at you. There's not any (easy) way I know of to do this. There might be some shader trickery involved. I might take a look at that model later because the concept sounds interesting

[opal oyster]

I created my first model in vroid from scratch with my own textures and concept, so I imported it as .vrm to Blender, optimized it in with plug-ins like CATS to get visemes and eye tracking.. but when I put the .fbx in unity, the materials get ugly and weirdly merged. Can anyone help me? T_T I can't seem to find solutions online. I was guessing maybe I shouldn't use add-ons in blender? Should I just manually optimize it? I even tried different past versions of Blender. Thank you~

[topaz mulch]

is there like a known method of reducing the size of a quest avatar that im missing (other than shrinking textures)

cuz i know its from me adding new stuff but i cant remove them without the pc and quest version of the avi desyncing

(the vrcfury stuff not the materials)

[timber wharf]

@opal oyster should be fine, make sure theres only one set of uvs on mesh im blender

[ornate stump]

Reduce mesh data. If you're using toonlit shader, you can disable normal and tangent import in fbx settings.

[opal oyster]

oh sorry i'm a beginner in Blender, what are set of uvs?

[topaz mulch]

what does this even mean?

i get reduce mesh data but im just lost after that lol

[timber wharf]

https://docs.blender.org/manual/nb/2.79/editors/uv_image/uv/layout_management.html

[ornate stump]

Just take a look in your fbx file settings in unity.

[crystal kernel]

You can download the avatar for free

[topaz mulch]

gotcha thanks

ok nvm where is the tangent setting?

[ornate stump]

Are you inspecting your fbx file in unity?

[obsidian rivet]

I did I just cannot decipher most of it from looking at it in unity alone, might be because I'm new to unity and don't have an understanding of the different settings they have on it to get the result

[topaz mulch]

this?

[crystal kernel]

Nothing to be found in the animator?

[ornate stump]

Then this one doesn't have settings for tangent. You could also disable blendshape normals to further size reduction.

[topaz mulch]

thanks

[raven orbit]

im looking at the model in unity now, definitely some crazy shader work

[crystal kernel]

😵‍💫

[crystal kernel]

I'm not on my PC rn so I can't see it, but if its a shader it should be reproducible.

[raven orbit]

the shader looks rather modifiable as it is just from the settings

[crystal kernel]

@obsidian rivet

[topaz mulch]

is mesh compression a good idea?

[obsidian rivet]

I was going to ask if it's something I could just replicate easy but got my answer

I'll have to add some animations for jumping and such but hopefully it's not too hard

[ornate stump]

Depends on whether your mesh would break or not.

[raven orbit]

this is what the shader settings look like

[crystal kernel]

Aaaah

[upper shoal]

how do i stop these 2 bones from rotating backwards

the ones on the hair on the face

[raven orbit]

angle limit or something

[obsidian rivet]

I will say though, if my thing has some extra frames this set up shouldn't be too much of a problem should it?

[crystal kernel]

Adjust the angle limit and rotate the limit accordingly (pitch yaw etc)

[topaz mulch]

oki so i just test it

[crystal kernel]

I honestly don't know. It looks like you can edit the existing frames.

But adding more requires coding the shader accordingly

[upper shoal]

im sorry where is that

[raven orbit]

fyi you can edit existing frames but not with the mesh that's in the doom goy model because it's cut to the shape of the sprite

[crystal kernel]

@raven orbit you have unity open :)

[raven orbit]

i just closed it 😭

[crystal kernel]

💥

[raven orbit]

limits

limit type

[raven orbit]

documentation readers 💯

[crystal kernel]

Documentation screenshotters 💯

Unrelated:
I wanted a phybone object to behave like a swing but the physics don't take the force of the impact into account

Any other methods to achieve the effect of "I hit this ball hard it goes zoom in that direction"?

Can't find anything online either

[raven orbit]

maybe contacts and/or constraints, those may be able to detect velocity. I'm fairly new to using those though

[crystal kernel]

Well, you see, they do but they don't affect physics

[fallow gulch]

Other methods are not easy to do, and they are only PC compatible
You could do a rigidbody, and contacts on each side set to "On Enter"
Then you could read the velocity, and send the rigidbody flying in the correct direction I suppose
Kind of like how the Punchable system works for the VRLabs Ragdoll system

[raven orbit]

yeah there's have to be some animator logic to set that up

[fallow gulch]

You can't really find much about this online, cause this has to be custom built
It's not a common system that is just available somewhere

[crystal kernel]

Dam

[raven orbit]

so with contacts it'd be like, detect velocity in this direction -> animate object in that direction. You could use that to nudge a physbone maybe

[crystal kernel]

I guess I can the long route of having multiple contacts but set to a different velocity threshold

Then I disable the parent phybone and let the an animation do the punch effect

[raven orbit]

i think rapidly swinging the root of a physbone might give a hit like effect on a the rest of the chain

[crystal kernel]

Could be

Is there a way to rotate the object towards where the punch came from

Like a

Rotatetowards ( receiver)

[raven orbit]

constraints might be able to make a bone rotate towards an object, like with the aim or look at constraints with animated weights (this is just a guess as i have never used them)

[crystal kernel]

I'll take a look in a few minutes

After I booted up

[raven orbit]

the hard part about this is getting an object placed into the direction a punch came from though

[next yew]

are there any shaders that i can use that will make the eyes glow on android?

i tried lightmap but had to remove it or else it wont allow quest compatability

[ornate stump]

Standard Lite

[next yew]

ty

texture dosent show :(

[ornate stump]

Did you assign texture? Screenshot how you set the material.

[next yew]

currently looks like this

[ornate stump]

You need emission settings.

[next yew]

how do i set that up?

[ornate stump]

See below.

[next yew]

see it thank you

working now! thank you

[crystal kernel]

why does it loop 2.5 times

the anim is 2.15 seconds long

as is the transition exit time

oh....

i didnt know exit time = 1 means 100% of the animation time

i thought 1 = 1 second

hm

i cant find any resources on dynamically rotating an object with receivers

[light lark]

Hello hello I have a question so I I finished all the things in Blender and now starting to work on unity. I noticed that there's a lot of thing changing like when I go on play mode when I hover my mouse on the "game" window the eyes follows the movement of my mouse.. Is it because of the SDK 3.7.5?

[ornate stump]

It shouldn't be doing that.

[delicate tide]

What happened to the youtube video which was the tutorial for uploading avatars that was on the vrchat youtube channel? I can't find it anywhere