android-discussion

[ivory tapir]

oh this is specifically for "dont delete the very poor option"
i think thats separate from android very poor performance technically

[rain vault]

Oops.

[wet sorrel]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/desperately-need-a-very-poor-allowance-on-mobile

Here it is specific to mobile

Though reading Darryl's selection does have mention of very poors on mobile in the comments too

[ivory tapir]

#android-announcements message

[native igloo]

huh, interesting.

[wet sorrel]

🎉

[near apex]

well Sadly I got hit with reverts for very poors

[silver hollow]

Yeah me too

[silver hollow]

The only thing that bothers me a little bit is not being able to see my friend's avatars cuz he wears very poor 💀

[wet sorrel]

We'll see the results later on

[near apex]

I make my friends laugh and love seeing their expressions while laughing.

they say they wish I had a pc over and over again

I just dont have the money

amd it hurts them more when they have to change thier expressive avi to a mobile compatible one just for me

in my opinion they should keep features in if they add them regardless of the majority of users having lower end devices just so those few ones that have phones that run it well can still use those features

as with android apps it varies heavily between brand, model, and android version

as android is nkt as universal as ios with android sdk shit

[silver hollow]

Yeah I feel that

[wet sorrel]

selfie expressions is fun. it is like I'm a vtuber

[silver hollow]

Frrr

[somber ridge]

it sounds like a really cool feature. i've been wanting it on IOS since i heard about it coming to android 🥹

[silver hollow]

It's so fun

It tracks my eye movement and blinking too lol

[somber ridge]

i'm most interested in the head tracking, i've made avatars to have some sort of head tracking for desktop mode but it's such a pain to set up 😭

[near apex]

its built in to the android app

[somber ridge]

yeah i know, thats why im excited for it to come to ios

[near apex]

but most of the fun avis that could be worn, "COULD" they have removed the ability to wear them.

since they are very poor

as those avis were fun to use mobiles head tracking

[somber ridge]

doesn't matter to me, I can make quality avatars in the good rank for myself

[near apex]

for example this avi

[near apex]

the ranking on mobile doesnt matter

it matters the stats and triangles and that stuff

cant go past 20k traingles even by one

or any of the other avi details on mobile

[somber ridge]

ok? i don't make them above 10k even

[near apex]

^

key word any

[somber ridge]

what is not clear about this. I am well aware of how to get the stats i want to.

[near apex]

just remember its not like uploading to quest at all

as quest apk versus android apk of the apps are coded differently

[somber ridge]

what does any of that have to do with anything I have said. my avatars are good ranked on mobile.

[near apex]

I would like to see that

[somber ridge]

okay

[near apex]

I have seen more mediums and poors on mobile unless its from the fallback list

and the very few good ones are always privatized

[somber ridge]

i am a 3d modeler, i know how to model things to be optimized, so i can just make them for myself

[near apex]

eg this

there are very few good rated ones you cant get off the fallback list

[somber ridge]

indeed mine are privated 😂

give me a moment to load the project, these are the ranking

[near apex]

and it sucks because if you offered to share your knowledge of phone avis to public creators then verypoors for phone would be comepletely optional like pc

as I have seen poors and mediums work with mobile on par with quest

and mobile is a better option to not by into the meta quest cashgrab

[somber ridge]

i can try to make tutorials. but it would take a long time 😭

[near apex]

as even a phone from 2018 aka the s9+ ran fine on vrc mobile

only game that ever made my s9+ a thermobaric ied was cod warzone mobile

it just sucks how bad everyone underestimates mobile

[somber ridge]

i would like to share my knowledge, but i can't exactly beam 10 years of experience into people's heads

[near apex]

no you delay beam it into them through youtube. 😂

tbh limited verypoors brought me outta hiatus on vrcm

and now I am going back into hiatus

it feels like a cruel joke that is was added before christmas and then taken away the next month.

[somber ridge]

it's relatively low poly in a lot of places, but i like it that way

[near apex]

you might be able work the wings if you look at the dragon wings asset and gogoloco flight corralation

have yet to see a winged avi work with gogoloco flight beyond

[somber ridge]

i've seen them, the asset looks really cool so i actually downloaded them but i haven't had the time to take a look at them yet

[near apex]

nice

[somber ridge]

ahh this is one of the things i wanted to set up, it's gonna take so long to actually finish this avi 😭

[near apex]

all furry avi creators that make avis with wings should revisit thier avis and use gogoloco flight beyond since its as simple as pressing the winged icon amd looking up to fly up and down to fly down.

makes it so much easier and no micromanaging it

[somber ridge]

💯 i wanna see them flying animations man

[near apex]

I had a few publics with flying anims

then vrchat devs struck that outta the water

cause hardcoded very poor blocker

yet it loads the very poor before blocking it

and turning it to a fallback or imposter

thats what makes me mad abt that

[wet sorrel]

it is still in testing and we'll see the decisions in a few weeks

[near apex]

can you load up a very poor rn?

like boot up the app and load up a previous one you logged out in

and just boot up the app without becoming a freakhound on spawn?

ik a way to switch into them

they just wont show and have my freakhound fallback inplace

[wet sorrel]

nope. in fallback on my 8gb samsung galaxy s23fe

[near apex]

and I have a custom built s20+ built for gaming

20 gb of ram

[near apex]

still original rom but motherboard, battery, and chip was overhauled

[wet sorrel]

Very poor cause sword

[near apex]

hence I said its a creul joke that the devs tested it amd owed it om the beta before christmas instead allowing the beta testers to keep it, removed it after a month.

[wet sorrel]

It was a good time since many people are on vacation at that time.

[near apex]

its funny cause vrchat is meant to be released with freedom of creativity and expression while mobile gatekeeps it because of the hardcoded verypoor blocker

it feels like I have to buy a quest and have migraines everytime I play due to audio and visual overstimulation or pay money to microsoft for a pc

[silver hollow]

Fr and both things are expensive

[dusky blade]

I am just spending 299$ on a meta quest 3S with 3 months free meta+ so kinda a good deal.

And 299$ isn't bad for a quest.

[silver hollow]

I don't have money

[cunning sage]

welp, fallbacks

[indigo elm]

yup

[near apex]

just the devs making another bad choice in mobiles development

[indigo elm]

they said they're testing so I'll be patient

[near apex]

and not realy caring that most phones run better than any quest headset since quests render 2x worth graphics data on integrated chip

even the adrenos in the s9 plus are enough to run you and one friend as a very poor without becoming a thermobaric boomy brick

and the s9 plus came out before quest 2

in 2018

[near apex]

when we got it was testing.

we had it on the month of christmas of the 11th

then one month later like a cruel joke they remove it.

[indigo elm]

it seems random

idk usually after I get off my vr it somehow works sometimes

[near apex]

the point of an open beta test is for the devs to listen to the beta testers and if they say keep a feature in keep it in

[indigo elm]

yea

I'm assuming they're hearing what everyone is saying

[near apex]

doesnt matter if the device is low or high end untill 1.0 official

well they still have not fixe mouse being a look input

[indigo elm]

so I'm just gonna hope that they make a decision that is able satisfy the community

[near apex]

you can connect a keyboard just mouse doesnt work worth a dang

its not even registered as a proper input device with the app

[indigo elm]

isn't there a way to submit feedback

[near apex]

yea😔

its just it takes like 9 or 10 updates to fix an isolated issue

as I have been stress testing mobile since it came out

[indigo elm]

same

I've been using my galaxy s23 ultra

[near apex]

with controller, mouse and keyboard, the touch ui for the pool tables, the list goes on.

[indigo elm]

and it handles most of the stuff I throw at it pretty nicely

[near apex]

and the gesture menu control for rb doesnt even work

lb is useless

[indigo elm]

I haven't tested it with any other control methods

tbh I move better with mobile controls

[near apex]

theyremoved support for gestures comepletly for controller

you can use gogoloco better with an xb controller

[indigo elm]

oh yea def

[near apex]

and the ui registeres it with desky controls

cept the lb and rb

cause for somereason the devs decided not to impliment the same coding quest uses when not using vr controllers but instead an xb controller

I mean if you are gonna use a similar kotolin script as the quest apk version dont ya think you would impliment the same coding for the mobile android apk before building the apk using android toolkit?

if you guys did not know that is the app file quest vrchat runs.

similiar to a windows executable anything android hardware and appware based runs a .apk

as android hardware requires the apps that it runs to be apk files.

so there you go @indigo elm and @wet sorrel when you see this, theres some info what an android app is called.

[indigo elm]

Idk what half of it means but yay :D

[near apex]

also apk files from my understanding are just raw javascript broken up into code block files called .smalis save from the manifests and xmls

it goes through an encryption proscess called obfuscation.

where the raw .js files become .smali all interconnected.

and some app developers for online games.or social meet platforms like vrchat or recroom will obsfucate and encrypt every single file in the app so assets or any unnoficial version of the app on a mobile phone cannot be run.

so android mobile phone vrchat is somehow safer from avi stealers than quest.

[native igloo]

Please refrain from too much reverse engineering as topic....

[near apex]

wilco

it was just more how android app files work on it

adhd go brrr

[native igloo]

yeap, I know but not a suitable topic here.

[near apex]

thank you for letting me know instead of just an instant chat time out

also @indigo elm if you have an adapter to your phone connect a usbc hub and a full sized keyboard.

turn on num lock and then hit lshift or right shift followed by f1 through f8 and you can to gestures for your left or right hand.

if you have a bluetooth keyboard for android you might have to hold down an fn key and then the other respective keys for gestures on vrc mobile.

[near apex]

hey tony is a video allowed to be sent if it was recorded on android mobile vrc?

or is there dedicated media channels for android beta?

[native igloo]

If that video is just general, #vrchat-videos , if it for support #1138891887374237706

[near apex]

thank you good sir

[wet sorrel]

The devs have heard us, and will be allowing very poors, but give them time. Waited 16 months for this.

[indigo elm]

I knew theyd make the right call yay

[neon aurora]

我是安卓设备这个虚拟形象为超高负载的用不了，咋天我还用的好好的今天就用不了了。

[native igloo]

Please use English here and check #android-announcements

[neon aurora]

OK

I am an Android device and this virtual avatar is overloaded and cannot be used. I used it well yesterday, but today it cannot be used anymore.

The translator I am using may have some errors

[cunning sage]

God bless america

[ivory tapir]

@neon aurora

[hollow pawn]

Was bouta ask why I couldn't use 99% of my avatars

[wary furnace]

despite my initial frustration and misdirected anger, I appreciate your hard work, devs

sorry

[silver hollow]

Is there any possibility of us being able to access our avatars again or see our friend's avatars?

[native igloo]

read few messages above.

[dusky blade]

Anyone know how I can move my hands using an Xbox controller on my phone? Or if I'm able to move my hands

[proper pond]

That's not possible

[dusky blade]

Using a Xbox controller on my phone?

[proper pond]

Does this imply it will be a feature for all devices in the near future?

[proper pond]

Moving your hands

[torpid drift]

There's no 100% guarantee, it's just a A/B test

if it's pretty positive, they might look into giving it to everyone

[mild depot]

Please please do. I think it's important to have it at least as an option. If people have a hard time with performance, then they always have the ability to disable it! Even if it's set to poor by default, allowing the option (like on quest) would be ideal!

(at the very least, maybe an override for being able to see very poor avatars if you are wearing them)

I think freedom of choice and customizability are paramount

Also unrelated but I'd like to signal boost this feature request https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/android-1335-force-landscape-mode

[silver hollow]

Agreed

[mild depot]

Another point in favor of this is that on quest, performance is very important to avoid things like motion sickness, and such. On mobile, not so much, as it's just a 2D Screen like desktop mode.

[somber ridge]

like theoretically you could make a PC program that reads the controller input and outputs a value to your phone through OSC, but I'm not sure whether android phones work with osc or not. My IOS device does though so maybe

[pine flame]

Were the very poor avatars blocked again for the mobile version? When I try to use them, it says the platform doesn't allow it due to performance classification

[silver hollow]

Unfortunately

[pine flame]

But is it permanent? What happened?

[silver hollow]

I have no idea, they're testing it rn

[wet sorrel]

@pine flame read #android-announcements

[pine flame]

oh ok, thx dude

[wet sorrel]

Getting performance tweaked to allow very poors

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[naive bluff]

👀

[urban wren]

Oh god not this again

Anyways I really hope the devs can do more test on very poor avis w android 😈😈

[silver hollow]

Same

[wet sorrel]

Saw the same argument while on Quest canny from 2021. Let us have the option to have the very poor, but also they want us to optimize as best as possible. No crashing or lagging intentionally.

[hollow pawn]

I want the ability back to have very poor

Otherwise I can't use 99% of my avatars including my custom

[naive bluff]

#android-discussion message

[hollow pawn]

Ah

I didn't see it thanks!

I just hope very poor stays

[silver hollow]

Me too

[hollow pawn]

Again, otherwise I can't use my custom and 99% of my favorites avatars

[silver hollow]

Yeah'

[wet sorrel]

Patience everyone

[somber ridge]

Remember that in testing the performance of very poor avatars they also need 'control' data. aka they need to compare it with the performance of the game while very poor avatars are not visible

[hollow pawn]

I'm patient

[somber ridge]

|| that's a you problem || edit: hid this message out of shame

[hollow pawn]

I literally just said that I'm PATIENT not IMPATIENT

[somber ridge]

omg im so sorry, im blind as shit 😭

[hollow pawn]

It's fine lol

[summer smelt]

I get that I should wait, but I really, REALLY just want to use my favorite avatars already, the wait is agonizing

[lilac delta]

i suggest don't wait for a feature not 100% confirmed to be released, they are testing the waters. i suggest find some avatars you use just on the mobile app ^^ (like i did)

[summer smelt]

But the avatars I've used are pretty good 🥺

[lilac delta]

oh i believe you! but these are still phones mind you, very thin and most have no fan, anyway have a free cupcake ^w^

[hollow pawn]

Honestly same

[summer smelt]

Is it chocolate?

[lilac delta]

chocolate phones :0 great idea xD

[summer smelt]

huh-

[lilac delta]

sorry brain did an error lol no the cupcakes are my name xD

[summer smelt]

Y'know nvm

[lilac delta]

big sad

[indigo elm]

they said it was coming but they're testing it I'm sure it's mostly for lower end phones

[wet sorrel]

👍

[paper stream]

I need some help when I try to convert a material for a quest avatar to a vrchat/mobile/standard lite it breaks the texture and dosen't work

[proper pond]

Some materials just can't be converted I know a few creators who've tried to do the same and said that they couldn't do it

[naive bluff]

#avatar-quest

[pine flame]

Honestly same 2

[neon aurora]

[tropic badger]

The android beta has been the only way i can play for months and it has been problematic and stressful

I am using a moto g 84 5G, and the first huge issue is many times when i fully have my earplug headphones in, the game echoes the game audio to the players, no matter if i make it very low sensibility

And I played like that for so long, until i figured out it stopped if i only plugged it in halfway, meaning it only works if i plug in improperly, meaning this is the only app i ever had where i had to not use my headphones in a normal way

Then there's the problem with the avatars, for months i had no access to full avatars and non very poor avatars, and i was happy when it finally let me use them, then it suddenly stopped, and all the fun i was having with the avatars other people had was gone

I feel like I'm playing a very broken version and I don't know if anything that i have said has ever reached the developers working on it, i just wanna play the game normally without having to buy a gaming pc just for it, I don't think its fair

I don't understand why turn the ability to fully render avies off? Why would the developers force me to not use the one thing in the game that is truly interesting, which is the fact i can be any character, i know that there is lag and processing issues with many avies, but can't i have the capability of choosing which ones to turn on and which ones to keep low res? I don't see a point in just being forced to not see, even in a beta, i was doing fine choosing which avies to turn on and off, now i can't see most avies

[torpid drift]

You're playing a beta, don't treat anything as final. #android-announcements message

[sharp relic]

You're lucky it works at all 😮‍💨, Samsung galaxy A15 doesn't support it. It says it's not compatible with your device

[somber ridge]

if you are experiencing bugs you should be reporting them to the canny, they wont know what's wrong in otder to be able to fix it if you dont

[torpid drift]

VRChat can't allow very poor avatars for everyone like how quest has it. They don't want the game to run horribly because players force show everyone's avatars then go to the respective app store's reviews and review bomb it

They're testing a 2 very poor avatar at a time limit

[torpid drift]

You most likely have the 4gb RAM version unfortunately. VRChat needs 6gb or higher

[sharp relic]

Sad

[wet sorrel]

@tropic badger Best to buy a new phone. 2 very poor limit is acceptable for the test.

[tropic badger]

Who's that

[silver hollow]

Is it possible to use 2 very poor avatars or is that not released yet?

[tropic badger]

It is 8 gb

[tropic badger]

Did i say it's final at all? I know its a beta, I'm just frustrated because it's the only way i can currently afford to play the game, and I don't know how to report the bugs other than saying it here

[wet sorrel]

Wait for the results of the dev's test

[somber ridge]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/ im sending this link but please dont put your previous message as a feedback. You need to understand that it's simply not possible for a mobile port of vrchat to run at the same level as it would on PC. The hardware cannot handle it on most mobile devices. Try to understand why things are set up the way they are before complaining about it

[wet sorrel]

Took me awhile to figure out why my mic was choppy for some, and not others. Performance management for the game to degrade some features to keep the game running as smooth as possible. So the mic was the first thing to go bad.

[somber ridge]

Bugs in a beta should be expected. It's literally not worth getting frustrated over.

[wet sorrel]

Not like during the alpha when we had very poors for less than two weeks, and were not available for 16 months.

[torpid drift]

Try it and see

[silver hollow]

That's the thing, I don't know I've tried but I don't know if it works for others or if it's just unreleased 😭

[torpid drift]

#android-announcements message

[somber ridge]

it's not released until there's an announcement for it

[silver hollow]

Ty!

[wet sorrel]

Vrc mobile and iOs are both in beta. We are beta testing both apps for vrchat.

[torpid drift]

I mean sure, it can be your main method of playing the game, but VRChat doesn't have all their manpower targeted towards the mobile ports. With the layoffs It's going to be a slow process

[tropic badger]

Oh I didn't know there were layoffs happening, i guess i get it now

[wet sorrel]

For best performance, set your safety setting to custom safety, and have all non friends to have voice. And for even better performance set avatar culling.

Then turn on avatars you want to see. Very poors will be imposter or fallbacks for the moment.

But look at Graphics tab under settings in the big menu.

[jade solar]

yesterday i was on vrchat on Index and another user on Index joined the instance. His avatar was a robot and he was indicated as "Android" user. how can this happen/is this a bug?

[devout nexus]

When will custom frame rate caps be introduced on mobile, my phone was at 2-3% GPU usage, thought to benefit from the 120hz display at least. Something tells me that it will tank as soon as very poor avatars can be seen

[wet sorrel]

There is already a fps cap of 20/30/60 you can select for phones. It was used to address battery drainage on the iOs platform

The test has been going since before Christmas. It has been limited to 2 very poor avatars max at the time.

But it will be your choice to show the avatars

[wet sorrel]

Phones have performance managers too. This was messing up my mic when I had it set to Auto manage. So game will end before major damage.

[proper pond]

So to put it simply it'll be an update and it will be permanent

[wet sorrel]

I'm not a dev, but they are willing to test further, so most likely can be.

[proper pond]

Id really hope so,cause I feel that it's needed and it would most likely keep more people on mobile

[sweet sluice]

Thank god they're testing to see if very poor avatars is possible. Works fine on my device. Thanks Vrchat!

[somber ridge]

why is someone adding reactions to messages i sent like days ago 👁️👁️

[knotty wind]

because i don't read here every day, and i liked or agreed with some of your messages 🤷
just how i have always used Discord 😅

[hybrid tendon]

When is it coming for mobile I want to know

[native igloo]

already on play store

[hybrid tendon]

It won’t let me install it though

[native igloo]

you may not has 6GB ROM, that's it. (not RAM)

[native igloo]

yeap, clearly your device not has enough ROM.

[native igloo]

There is ROM and RAM, ROM is sys memory, while RAM be sys storage. different thing.

Usually use RAM meant ROM but, as most user mixed up with storage here too much, I use proper word.

[knotty wind]

no?
ROM is "Read Only Memory", usually a CD or DVD... that is why it was called a "CD-ROM"
RAM is "Random Access Memory", which is what is required according to #android-announcements
not sure what your "ROM" means if not that 😕

[native igloo]

just using word from manufacture spec sheet so....ask manufacture really why they use like this way....

[knotty wind]

ok, weird... i have never heard of "RAM" being called "ROM" before 🤔
sounds scary and probably invented by some marketing people or something 🤷

[native igloo]

yeah...logically incorrect, and both system memory and storage be RAM....maybe, we just don't define those 2 separately well when first comes out.....(kind of too too long back so maybe they don't consider about it.)

maybe, they are thinking like,
ROM: (End User not has write access themselves) to storage
RAM: (End User has write access themselves) to storage
kind of meaning...

(not consider root access)

[west sage]

Is there any possibility of Android XR being supported since normal Android is currently being worked on?

[torpid drift]

Which manufacturer? It's been called RAM everywhere

For the samsung tablet, Samsung lists RAM
-# https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/tablets/galaxy-tab-a/galaxy-tab-a-8-0-black-verizon-sm-t387vzkavzw/

[sweet sluice]

Ive got a samsung tablet as well.

Lemme see if mine says that as well

Yeah mine says RAM too

Not the same way thought, curiously.

[torpid drift]

"RAM Plus" sounds like SWAP

yeah it's like a pagefile, it's not the amount of ram in your tablet

[sweet sluice]

Hm

Im not even sure where to look then. Usually a console gamer unless playing vrchat.

[torpid drift]

You'll need to search your device on google

[paper stream]

I need help with vrchat worlds

[naive bluff]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[wet sorrel]

Android vrc mobile compared to PC pics.

[west sage]

You can try use the crostini container on the chromebook to sideload VRChat but that won't be the best in terms of performance but that will depend on the Chromebook

[neon aurora]

[soft tangle]

[vast vigil]

Some avatars look really poor, is this just how every very poor avatar is gonna look on android? Also when someone changes a skin on a character it remains the same on my screen, is that fixable?

[somber ridge]

thats an imposter. If you're able to display any very poor avatars at all, only 2 at a time

[wet sorrel]

If they are using a PC only avatar, or decided to not use their imposter as fallback, then you'll see a fallback instead.

I did get a small chance to play with my very poor avatar once again. Using PC only avatar on mobile gives you error bot.

So works as it expected.

[soft tangle]

That avatar you using look creepy… 👀

[cunning sage]

very poors ar bak yoooo aoaoaooao

[soft tangle]

Nice!

[wet sorrel]

Confirmed back for me

It will be back, and gone during tests

[hollow pawn]

Confirmed here too

[pine flame]

Really??

[hollow pawn]

For now yes

[low quest]

When will the beta end for Android?

[native igloo]

No ETA but anyway it's on play store for public.

[vast vigil]

I know, thanks!

[low quest]

I know this I've been playing it 🙃

I was just wondering if the beta was going to shut down at some point

[native igloo]

I don't think so

[low quest]

I'm going to be getting a meta Quest 3s soon. I'll finally be able to be in VR. I've only played VR chat on my phone for about a week But I've been enjoying every little moment Even if I'm on phone Because the interactions are just amazing. And sometimes borderline Criminal

I just hate that when I'm on phone I can barely find any skins to use

[foggy crag]

Please don't take away the possibility to show other person's very poor avatar on Android mobile beta. Allow at least one very poor avatar at the time, it's sometimes very crucial

[low quest]

I mean I found myself a handful of decent avatars but only one that I have represents me in the way that I would like to be

Nothing speaks to me more than the jinxed alastor skin. It's decent and customizable to my liking

[rain vault]

2 is the limit atm.

[foggy crag]

Thank you, just please don't take away this option in the future.

[rain vault]

I dont handle that

[wet sorrel]

#android-announcements pay attention to this. They will update when they can after testing.

I like this option for when on break at work, and not home.

[opaque seal]

I have rog phone 5s with snapdragon 888+ but for some reason vrchat on my phone keeps crashing when i start it

Oh nvm after trying for 6x now its working fine

[urban wren]

Is anyone up atm? 😞😞

[hollow pawn]

Me

[wet sorrel]

Me too

[urban wren]

Y'all wanna play?

[hollow pawn]

I'll be on later though

[wet sorrel]

best to play this game while exploring worlds and playing games with others

[urban wren]

I just got off lmao, my ears hurts

[hollow pawn]

Damn

[rain vault]

Its been a while since VP has been allowed for testing again, unless i'm late lol

[hollow pawn]

It's still confirmed back for me

[urban wren]

Anyone up rn?

[hollow pawn]

I'm up

[urban wren]

Let's play

[hollow pawn]

My vrc name is in my bio if ya wanna add me

[silver hollow]

I'm up :P

[urban wren]

Ightt, mine is the same as my username ( ghepard00)

[urban wren]

U wanna play?

[hollow pawn]

What world we going on?

[urban wren]

Squid game

🐱

[hollow pawn]

No thanks

[urban wren]

Damn

💔💔

Then u pick it, I don't have any ideas atm

[hollow pawn]

Idk Furry hideout or pet house

[urban wren]

My headphone r charging, I won't be able to chill & just talk smhhh

[hollow pawn]

Idk

But I'm not gonna play squid gMes

Games

[wary furnace]

hope VP keeps on for next days, I have some recording to do

[wet sorrel]

Still getting the change between very poor and fallback. But this is still the testing phase.

Love the GoGoLoco poses

[indigo elm]

I've had to start looking for optimized avatars that I like

[hollow pawn]

Same

But for me it's still back

[wet sorrel]

Prismics makes it easy with the performance filter system

[knotty wind]

we were told it was A/B testing, so it will be random every time you start the game/app or something... 🤷
#android-discussion message

👆 @hollow pawn@wet sorrel

[hollow pawn]

I'm aware

[wet sorrel]

I'm aware too

[soft tangle]

Some people aware too

[prisma oasis]

Is it just me that the cc when u work on phybones for quest it doesn't show the right amount making it hard to upload it bc it won't say how much phybones u need and don't need is it just me or something it's starting to get really annoying

[wet sorrel]

You can have 8 PhysBones and 64 Physbone Transforms max.

[azure ravine]

Morning

[soft tangle]

Evening

[azure ravine]

Timezones

[knotty wind]

noon

[prisma oasis]

No it doesn't show the limit for quest instead it will just upload and not tell me the amount I need to remove

[fiery oracle]

Android is scuffed asf but I'm a broke boy 😎

[wet sorrel]

It is getting better, but will always be limited. Think of it like a introduction to vrchat before ou get the upgrades

[knotty wind]

did you mean to ask in #avatar-help?
since your comment doesn't really seem related to Android Mobile 😕

[bold panther]

Hello!

[ripe robin]

Hi!

[bold panther]

How are you?

[stiff crane]

Not sure where else to post this. This is only on mobile it seems. Asked others in VRChat, PC and Quest too. I'm on Android VRChat. This is a bug I found, not sure what it would categorize as. I didn't mess with any settings, so yeah. (Don't see anywhere or anything to report bugs to). This happens in all worlds, I mean all. Sorry if this shouldn't be here.

[soft tangle]

I see that photo mode act like a mirror which required to fly around to make it work. I've done this before but without photo mode 🤷🏻‍♂️

[naive bluff]

👀 Why are you advertising?

[soft tangle]

What? Is it wrong?

Maybe I'm too excited for next event, sorry about that 😅

[wet sorrel]

@stiff crane That would be handles by the creator of GoGoLoco. They have a group.

I did use the Face Mirror, then turn on Fly. I met them once and asked while on Quest.

[open minnow]

Cant see video player on build 1554? Video error issue. Is anyone got the issue?

[olive jolt]

hi

[indigo elm]

did you try enabling face mirror?

[knotty wind]

bug reports are made here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/
or as people mentioned above, ask the GogoLoco creator? i don't understand the issue, so can't say which 🤷

[hybrid tendon]

@winter ore

[wet sorrel]

@stiff crane I have GoGoLoco on many avatars, but they are very poor, so got lucky with testing it out. Works without jitters. Might be the version, or because you use the camera. I have selfie expressions on which has the face mirror on.

[wintry nimbus]

Has there been any discussion on Mobile VR support? I remember Android phones had VR support where you'd put the phone into some cardboard thing or buy them plastic slots whatever, and it would work. Some still do this using VRidge and similar apps. That would be so cool. But if that were possible, how would tracking even work? Have you ever played anything VR on your phone? And what kind of controllers do you need?

[wet sorrel]

There was the OculusGo in 2015, but was only used for the Samsung Galaxy S7 at the time.

[pearl mulch]

basically like using your phone for VR is completely deprecated at this point

[wet sorrel]

Controls were on the sides. I only watched videos on my friends headset.

If you want the mobile experience in vr, buy an Android vr heaset like Quest 2, 3, 3s, Pico 4.

Plus you can see all the Android compatible avatars you want before crashing or being sent home.

More than 2 very poors anyways.

[wintry nimbus]

My Samsung Galaxy S8 runs VRChat pretty good at cca 30FPS in EvolvedAnt and Super VR Ball with like 5 actively loaded avatars, but maybe it's because I'm using LineageOS which means no Google Services or bloatware. Even though the phone has only 4GB of RAM.

Plus, my Bestboi works perfectly! The GoGoLoco and LimbControl as well as the camera are just perfect.

The only problem with S8 is the battery depletion. So much power is needed that the charger cannot keep up.

I think a more modern LineageOS-compatible phone with 6GB of RAM will be better.

[wintry nimbus]

I'd use any of those if I could opt out of telemetry. I don't wanna have bigtech bind my VRChat account to my real name. I'm a furry and I live in a noninclusive environment.

[wet sorrel]

Definitely

I'm a furry too, but travel to meet others who are and aren't furry.

I went from 6GB to 8GB, and it performs better. Played mobile version since August 2023 during Alpha.

[wintry nimbus]

I'd like to test a Quest with my Raspberry Pi-based firewall that blocks access to all Meta services before buying.
If that won't work, then I hope at least that connecting Quest to a PC would work with the firewall active.

[wet sorrel]

You need Meta services to run Meta. When their services are down, can't even access the Quest menu.

Had Quest since 2021

[wintry nimbus]

I wonder have jailbreaking efforts been any useful and does sideloading work.
More importantly, is it safe and is it notbannable.

[pearl mulch]

30 FPS is way too low for usable VR

[wet sorrel]

I wouldn't be talking about unauthorized ways of playing Quest here.

[pearl mulch]

the quest one has not been jailbroken to any useful degree

[wintry nimbus]

I know. S8 probably even lacks proper sensor support for VR.

[pearl mulch]

and like Google has deprecated all the software support for doing VR using a phone

[wintry nimbus]

At this point, using Google Apps via Aurora Store seems to be the safest and the legalest way for me on Mobile with LineageOS.
As for desktop, Windows 10 Ameliorated Edition keeps telemetry away.
Except for EAC which monitors processes so I just gotta make sure that while an EAC-protected program is running, I'm not running any confidential software, software that EAC would think is crackware or something I could be slandered over.

[west sage]

Yeah, you 100% better off you with the aurora store

[west sage]

So this is due to Google bringing out Android XR. They want people to move over to that which is why they are getting rid of any leftover stuff

I know there was some lingering stuff left over in some Google applications like YouTube

[pearl mulch]

Cardboard VR has been deprecated for several years

[west sage]

Yeah but there are some stuff which is still lingering around. For example, YouTube in VR is still available and it shows in cardboard form

My prediction is that Google is reusing some parts of the cardboard bits in apps that they have to repurpose for Android XR as a baseline then work towards getting better, more optimised support

[wintry nimbus]

LineageOS seems to have some sort of VR support

[icy lark]

Hey guys

[indigo elm]

hi guys

[silver hollow]

Hi

[knotty wind]

meow

[bold panther]

Hey

[lilac delta]

guys this is an android channel not the general 1

[indigo elm]

so what do we do in android general

[lilac delta]

talk about the android app? is a given xD

[hybrid tendon]

Hi, my mic is not working on VRC android. How can I fix it?

[wet sorrel]

Is it garbled for others?

I brought up my game performance menu swiped up from the bottom. I turn off the performance auto manager

[desert quartz]

Hey

[silver hollow]

It is for me, Idk how to fix it 😭

[wet sorrel]

Is it a Samsung?

[silver hollow]

Yes

[wet sorrel]

I do have a video I made in videos

[silver hollow]

Wait fr

[wet sorrel]

I just posted it under #vrchat-videos . It is somewhat amplified from the location i was in, but got it down.

[gaunt palm]

Rotation getting stuck in portrait mode is annoying.

[knotty wind]

i usually just enable the auto-orientation in Android, then i can change it to landscape mode by just tilting my phone... but yes, an option to do this in the app would be much better

[icy lark]

Hi

Yo I honestly forgot I could text in here

[wet sorrel]

@raw osprey you want you ask in #quest-general

[knotty wind]

i am starting to think it might be worth it to rename these channels to "#android-mobile-general" and such... i swear, a lot of users see "Android" and think it means "Quest standalone" now... probably because the platform is called "Android" in-game now 😓

[wet sorrel]

Agree

[sweet sluice]

Probably a good idea to rename them.

Sorry for the ping

[knotty wind]

you are fine 🙂

[sweet sluice]

I remember playing town of salem with you... Or at least spectating matches you were in.

[knotty wind]

ah, i wouldn't doubt it 😅
i am still quite addicted to that game 😛

[sweet sluice]

Mhm

[brittle cypress]

This makes a lot of sense! We're looking into it!

done!

[lilac delta]

omg thanks!

[knotty wind]

i would suggest renaming #android-info and #android-dev too 😅

[brittle cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/betty-white-dab-consider-it-done-gif-11972415

[sweet sluice]

Absolute cinema

[proven wharf]

could we get an ios-dev channel too so we dont have to sort through discussion

[signal nova]

can someone help me i can't talk

[wet sorrel]

Are you using external headphones?

[gaunt herald]

Hi, you see... I'm having a problem whenever I open the app

It pops a message saying "Failed to get config!" which is weird because I was playing the game perfectly a couple of hours ago...

Wait, I'mma try to clear the cache of the app...

Still doesn't work, what should I do?

[wet sorrel]

Uninstall and reinstall and accept microphone permissions

[gaunt herald]

Nevermind

It got somehow fixed minutes after idk what if was at the end

[wet sorrel]

👍

[dense kelp]

How do I play on iOS?

[naive bluff]

Wrong channel...

[knotty wind]

#ios-info and #ios-discussion

[visual moss]

What a map?

[west sage]

Judging how android xr is probably will get a LineageOS XR down the line hopefully https://youtu.be/az5QL_NLBvg?si=hjukzGWsWJK84Ghg

[feral badger]

I'm glad VRChat works on my phone. It doesn't work well, but it works.

Controls are clunky and somewhat unresponsive. Frame rate frequently dips down to 15 and it can crash randomly probably due to low RAM.

It's cool that I can study languages with it

[naive bluff]

#android-announcements or #ios-info

[ivory tapir]

Just to give an update for anyone curious about our Very Poor on Android tests, we're thinking of expanding it. You may see more tests in the future.

[native igloo]

👀

[naive bluff]

Oooooh.

Things getting exciting.

[lilac delta]

Ohhh interesting!

[urban wren]

YES

[wet sorrel]

Thank you @ivory tapir

[wet sorrel]

Vrc mobile has been working great with avatars within the 40mb uncompressed size limit

[orchid bobcat]

PTT sucks𒇫𒂝

I play vr PC and mobile so I'm better with no ptt

[sweet sluice]

Yeah, but then again, ptt disables echo, so it has some positives.

[wintry nimbus]

So that explains why for a brief moment it was possible to see Very Poor on Mobile

Also, I used to be able to bypass PTT: Plug USB-C hub + keyboard, then open the pause menu through it and Push To Toggle will be enabled.

This stopped working sadly...

[wet sorrel]

My previous phone had aux cord so I could have mic on, but mic back then was sporadic with being clear

[visual moss]

My eyes!!! This is very bad!!!

I downloaded the previous version because the January 29th update is just awful! Because I have "show forward button" in my settings, I can't enter any world and had to clear the app data. And you just destroyed the action menu...

[knotty wind]

make bug reports then, here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[wet sorrel]

I gotten upto 4 very poor avatars shown before the 1st very poor avatar shown is hidden.

[soft tangle]

New loading screen design look lame & childish now! I prefer old loading screen design like Quest version.

[wet sorrel]

VrCat sings, " We're going on a trip, on our favorite rocket ship"

[cunning sage]

vr cat

[gaunt herald]

How do I represent a group on Mobile?

[knotty wind]

same way as on the other versions of the client...
be in a group, have the group set to show to everyone, select that you want to represent it

[gaunt herald]

I know, but where do I have to select it?

[naive bluff]

Via the menu.

[gaunt herald]

Oh

Thanks!

[dusty pumice]

Gonna be fr I'd like if they did a more of a spacey theme like they did in the past

That was pretty sick fr

[viral urchin]

I dunno if I missed a patch note or something but when were these daily challenges added?

A new badge too?

[native igloo]

yeap. once complete

[viral urchin]

Is this brand new or did I miss it in the patch notes at some point?

[native igloo]

not pushed yet to all users, but some users start getting it.

[viral urchin]

gotcha, that makes sense

its a cute little feature, i was suprised to not see any mention of it anywhere

[ivory tapir]

these are some of the things we're testing on vrchat that we talked about in the jan 16 dev update

[naive bluff]

Hi Flaaaaare!

[soft tangle]

This might be very easy to complete challenge except make 2 friends cuz I'm usually playing solo and visiting world to world

[viral urchin]

I just have a massive backlog of unaccepted friend requests so i just went in and accepted a couple of them

[visual moss]

After the new update, if the "show forward button" setting is enabled, after loading the world, then on the loading screen where the red cat flies on a rocket, the application freezes, and you have to clear the data... Please fix it... 🥲

[visual moss]

Focusing on some maps looks incorrect and sensitivity is too high...

This image looks very incorrect in horizontal position...

Also on the main Vrchat map, a shift in the text on the sign was noticed...

[knotty wind]

is there a canvas following in front of you or something? 😕
but yeah, definitely make a bug report, here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[visual moss]

Yes

[feral badger]

Whenever screen orientation changes it seems to trigger this glitch where every sound element on a map gets triggered all at once

i.e. On the language learning servers there are often these features where you can press a button on a wall to play a voice recording. They all play at the same time.

[feral badger]

Seems it has a ticket here already: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/all-audio-sources-in-the-world-are-played-when-the-application-regains-focus

[visual moss]

I have a question. Will lowering the DPI have any minimal impact on improving performance?

[feral badger]

Yes, it reduces the resolution.

[visual moss]

I got curious here. What improvements have happened in vrchat mobile from 2023 to 2025? Well, besides face tracking... Because I came in August last year, and didn't really follow the development of the app😅

[feral badger]

Reading the patch notes a lot of it is QoL like being able to pay for creator content, age verification, improved tracking, offline invites, performance improvements, etc

[visual moss]

Why do you need OSC on your phone? As far as I know, it's a third-party program that will interact with Vrchat, but I don't understand what the point of having it on your phone is? 🤨

[feral badger]

OSC?

The synth networking protocol?

[visual moss]

Yes. Sorry if you don't understand well, I use a translator. I really want to know why Vrchat android needs OSC, in the avatar and tracking section, and how to use it on android? Personally, I noticed that in the tracking section, if you turn on OSC, the avatar seems to make more precise movements, but maybe it seems to me...

[visual moss]

Or am I wrong and this function does nothing, and I as a simple user should turn off this function so that it does not load my device?

[feral badger]

It seems to have other applications than just music, so I think it's used for communicating with VR tracking devices

Perhaps it improves the precision of your devices by supporting more detailed tracking data to be received

[visual moss]

So OSC can be useful even for a regular Android Vrchat user, without any third-party programs, if the user wants to get more accurate head tracking?🤔

[feral badger]

I don't know that for sure. I just looked up what it was. But if you notice a difference, it's probably true.

[sweet sluice]

I see people using horizontal view on mobile. I cant seem to figure that part out. Is the a specific setting, or...?

[wet sorrel]

It is under phone settings like when you watch YouTube videos

[feral badger]

I had to turn on auto-rotate

I wish I could lock it to landscape

Portrait would be fine too, but the menu screen doesn't fit in portrait.

[knotty wind]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/all-world-sounds-play-after-focus-change

[near apex]

yea you have auto rotate on for landscape

with selfie mode and locking screen to landscape its funny, as its a feature in camera tracking even under desktop for osc

[iron hornet]

Is there some option to fix mic? According to those I speak with, My voice is kind of buggy with my phone's mic even though its ok in other games

[hard fjord]

Thank god it wasnt my fault then

[sharp frost]

I have a question why the game going to 50% and stop?

[visual moss]

Reset the game data, or reinstall it. I have the same problem. This is most likely due to the fact that in your interface settings the option to show the "let's go" button was enabled

[knotty wind]

no idea... does it always happen? or just for specific worlds? or only while wearing specific avatars?
once you have answers to those questions, you can make a bug report, here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta

[sharp frost]

How to reset the game data?

[visual moss]

I reported this problem, please write too.

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-beta/p/after-the-new-update-if-the-show-forward-button-setting-is-enabled-after-loading

[sharp frost]

Ok

[sharp frost]

It happenes all the time

[visual moss]

Settings → app → VRChat → clear data

[sharp frost]

Ok I'll give try

[visual moss]

Let me know if it helped you

[sharp frost]

I tried both solutions but no avail

[elder scaffold]

Maybe u pay best wifi

Fast is very good

[vast vigil]

What the hell is going on with so many other avatars that I see, is this happening with anyone else on android?

[wet sorrel]

You can now see upto 4 very poor avatars atm

[soft tangle]

Are you making a video about new testing 4 very poor avatar?

[vast vigil]

Ah Ok, looks very weird when you see a very poor avatar that's mangled up so much.

[wet sorrel]

in #vrchat-videos

[visual moss]

Can you tell me why OSC is needed on Android? I wrote messages about this above, but I want to know your opinion too

[wet sorrel]

OSC is used to provide listening to music, and using other programs for the Quest vr headsets. Might be carried over to the phones. My friend did make an audiolink avatar that is poor and works on Quest and Android mobile phone

[light wind]

Also for slime full body tracking

To feed the data into vrc

[visual moss]

So there is no need for OSC for the average user? I just spent a long time trying to understand why they made this feature for Android, and it seemed to me that head tracking looks better, but I probably imagined it

[visual moss]

How does it work? is there any OSC software that can capture full body movement in vrchat mobile?

[placid ore]

Hi, I have a question about the face mirror on Android. The size and position options don't do anything for me. Is that normal behavior or a bug? The zoom and opacity options work as expected.

[visual moss]

Yes, it's a bug. Everything worked fine before.

[native igloo]

#1138520828556890214

[feral badger]

Looks like some setting change (probably DPI) took effect when I opened VRChat today. I got vastly improved performance.

Ran stably at around 35-40 FPS in worlds that usually gave me 15-20 FPS with crashes.

Watching the purple grass wave in the wind was beautiful

[soft tangle]

Which world is that?

[feral badger]

It's called Beyond a bit - 想像のちょっと先へ

Reminds me of Flower, the PlayStation 3 art game

[golden plover]

How can I use iOS beta open I need it

[native igloo]

#ios-info

[golden plover]

I don’t see it for some reason

I never got a email for the sign up beta for vrc

For iOS

[naive bluff]

It's closed.

[full flower]

Hey how i can get the vr chat 2 mobile challenges?

[knotty wind]

AB test, it is random...
see: #android-discussion message

[feral badger]

Hmm, the update pushed today seem to be giving me issues:

It crashes every time I enter the default home world

If I load it directly from the start menu it crashes immediately, if I hop to it from another world I can get in, but crashes a second after

[knotty wind]

tried changing your avatar?

[feral badger]

Hmm, I have a low poly bird avatar with a very good rating

[umbral walrus]

I heard there’s a quest on the vrchat app and you can get a badge that’s a phone if you complete it but I don’t see it where do I find it

[torpid drift]

It's an A/B test, only some users have it.

[feral badger]

I tried connecting my GameSir X2 Pro and the experience is so much better with the controller

There was some kind of secret unlockable event on the purple grass world I showed earlier

It was so spectacular everyone watched awestruck in silence

VRChat is so cool

[dull haven]

this is on mobile?

thats crazy

[feral badger]

Yes, it looks at least as good as PlayStation 3 graphics

[wet sorrel]

Mobile has gotten better since 2013

[native igloo]

yeah...especially cpu got a lot better

[wet sorrel]

Possibly. I did get the new badge, and removed the gifted subs badge. It is attracting unwanted attention.

[native igloo]

your preference matter as always

[wet sorrel]

I.didn't know it could be removed.

[full flower]

Ty

[feral badger]

Like painting a target on your back for manipulators. 🎯

[wet sorrel]

@feral badger yes. None of them said, "can you gift me vrc+?", but will lead to that.

[slow ridge]

Can you gift me vrc+?

[wet sorrel]

no

[slow ridge]

It was a joke. I already have it. Even paid for it myself

[wet sorrel]

np

[wet sorrel]

@silver spear It is showing my 2/7 Days now

[ashen island]

I tried the mobile version today
Is it a bug or can we now see verypoor avatar ?
I thought it wasn't allowed

[naive bluff]

A/B testing.

[soft tangle]

You also can use very poor avatar too? Or no…

[feral badger]

I don't think it will display for you if you set one

It didn't for me anyway

Not sure if it displays for other people

[ashen island]

I can use a verypoor avatar on mobile android for now. Probably people can see it too

[wet sorrel]

#android-announcements

Been able to use, wear, and see since around December 23rd with some seeing fallbacks. But more often now recently with upto 4 very poor avatars

[teal ocean]

i have a little problem my phone overheats so easily this doesnt happen on other games can i make it better or is it just my potato phone?

[naive bluff]

What kind of phone do you have? 👀

And is it built for heavy-resource games?

[teal ocean]

infinix note 30 pro it handles war thunder on mid graphic setting on like 20 fps

and doesnt overheat

[naive bluff]

Yikes... Mediatek.

Wait, isn't Infinix in the same tier as Xiaomi?

[teal ocean]

like a processor?

[teal ocean]

I don't know

[naive bluff]

https://www.gsmarena.com/infinix_note_30_pro-12273.php

[teal ocean]

yes

but im going to get a cheap phone cooler hope it helps

[lilac delta]

i see there 2 badges you can earn in this app, a blue one and a green one, what's the difference? (i have the green one and a friend of mine got the blue one)

[naive bluff]

Likely platform.

Green = Android, blue = iOS.

[lilac delta]

hmmmm i'll wait for the guy to tell me

[knotty wind]

i think it is the two different quests, the first quest is "visit 5 worlds and make 2 friends" and the second quest is "play VRChat on another platform and login 7 days in a row", i am currently duing the second quest 🤔

[lilac delta]

Is it possible to get both?

[south mural]

Anyone know how to load in a world without getting stuck on menu

I have the moto razr plus, this shit run genshin and withering waves great so I know it ain't my phone

[naive bluff]

Old or new?

[feral badger]

Happens very often for me that it gets stuck at 0%. The only thing that works is force closing and restarting VRChat. Second attempt is usually successful.

[south mural]

My phone, new

[naive bluff]

No, as in, 2023 or 2024 Razr Plus.

[south mural]

2024

[feral badger]

I guess it's not a spec thing

I figured the reason it so frequently stalls for me is because I only have 6 GB RAM

Avatars usually don't load for me due to low memory

[wet sorrel]

It is like Quest 2 versus Quest 3

[visual moss]

I also have 6 GB RAM and everything is fine with me

[south mural]

So is it the game or my phone?

[naive bluff]

It's the app, most likely.

[naive bluff]

^

[south mural]

When are they going to fix it

[naive bluff]

I mean, it's a super easy workaround. 👀

[south mural]

I tried that and still nothing

Can someone send me a video on doing it

[naive bluff]

Do you know how to force-close an app?

[south mural]

Force stop

[naive bluff]

Uh...

Looking for a yes or no answer here.

[south mural]

That's the thing for Android

[naive bluff]

Yes. Do you know how to do it?

[south mural]

Yes setting and force stop

[slow ridge]

Still doesn't work?

[neat wyvern]

i saw a profile with this badge, how can you get it?

is it a reward for beta testing the mobile version?

[knotty wind]

#android-discussion message

[neat wyvern]

what android version do i need to get vrchat mobile?

[light wind]

#android-announcements

[neat wyvern]

ty^^

[light wind]

Where alpha testing badge

:3

[hybrid tendon]

im still here chillin with no beta mobile invitation to anything

rip ggs

[feral badger]

Oh, is there a separate stable version? I have the beta.

[drowsy tusk]

where do i find the mobile daily tasks? i want the badge

[grizzled remnant]

👌

[feral badger]

Shows up at the top of the menu

[wet sorrel]

There is another two achievements after this set

[knotty wind]

the Android version is open-beta, no invite needed? see: #android-announcements
do you mean iOS? see: #ios-info
or is there a separate Android Mobile beta version that i don't know about 😕

[knotty wind]

it is random A/B testing... only some people get them, and it is random... 😐
#android-discussion message

[drowsy tusk]

that´s so terrible, a friend of mine instantly got these tasks, but i didnt got them... -_-

why is that so?

my friend never bought vrc+ and he gets these tasks. Me as an vrc+ subscriber for multiple months, doesn´t get them. i just can´t understand, why is there a badge, when not everyone can get it

[naive bluff]

It's a small rollout. 👀

[feral badger]

They want to see how well it works

Best way to do that is to randomly select test users, gather data and compare to control

If it doesn't have the intended effect, they go back to the drawing board

[drowsy tusk]

soo... should i wait, untill i get these tasks or will they be gone at some point?

[knotty wind]

it is random... #android-discussion message

since the addition of the badges on the wiki, people keep coming in here to ask about how to get them... so i guess the secret is out 😟
can we please get a small information post in the #android-announcements channel about that we can reference? and to avoid the amount of people asking again and again 🥺

[stone frost]

are the badge challenges still available?

[knotty wind]

#android-discussion message 😐

[south mural]

It started working for me

[tepid mirage]

It’s broke AGAIN

[naive bluff]

What's broke? 👀

[tepid mirage]

Vrc 🥹🥹🥹

[naive bluff]

...No it's not?

[tepid mirage]

I can’t load into any world I’ve been trying for the past15 mins?

Wait

Oh Ik what’s wrong

Mb guys

[south mural]

What was wrong

[tepid mirage]

It needed an update

[slow ridge]

Oh that's crazy, I downloaded the app from the Playstore and got the Beta Version. Didn't even know there was a "normal" one lol. I have two badges and people keep walking up to me and ask me about it. Some are so impressed by the face tracking that they also wanna try playing on mobile now. Absolutely hilarious when people start screaming "Yo bro, check this girl out, she's on MOBILE" hahaha. They usually think I'm using vr gear

[visual moss]

what do you mean "normal"? Do you mean there is a mobile non-beta version?

[slow ridge]

They talked about it yesterday

[slow ridge]

You can read the conversation I just replied to ^
To me it sounded like there is a non-beta and beta version for mobile, no? And the beta testers are randomly selected

[visual moss]

No. At the moment, there is only a Beta version of VRChat mobile, and it is available in the Play Market for anyone who has a device that meets the requirements. 🤔

[slow ridge]

Oh, my bad 💀

[visual moss]

By the way, how did you get the icon with the purple frame? I only have the green. Are these not the quests where you need to grab 7 days in the game and enter the game from another device?

[slow ridge]

It is. But after this quest there is more. You get the purple icon after completing all of them

[visual moss]

Okay, thanks!

[wet sorrel]

I only need two more days which will be gotten tomorrow night

[drowsy tusk]

Will the badges/ challenges be given to everyone at some point in the future, when the tests are done?

[knotty wind]

no idea... 🤷
VRChat hasn't exactly talked about it... aside from whatever is mentioned in https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-16-january-2025/39210#p-73144-were-testing-things-6

[crude lynx]

is there a way for android's mic to be toggle?

[knotty wind]

look in the microphone settings

[crude lynx]

alr ty

[feral badger]

When I tried I only had mute and push to talk

[wet sorrel]

@feral badger If you have headphones attached, then you can toggle on the mic permanently until the headphones are no longer connected

[feral badger]

Oh sweet, then I can play the piano for people

[slow ridge]

There is no way to play music (like from spotify/youtube) though, right? I've seen lots of people do it and I'd love to di it when I'm chilling alone or with just a friend or two 😦

[naive bluff]

People either pipe it through their mic or use VoiceMeeter.

[wet sorrel]

Got both badges on vrc mobile only

[lilac delta]

What's the difference between both?

As in how you got them

[knotty wind]

two separate quests...
see: #android-discussion message
and: #android-discussion message

[lilac delta]

Ohhhhhh that's makes sence

[wet sorrel]

Both are achievement badges. One you receive after completing the first

[slow ridge]

Thanks. I'm trying to figure out how to use in on mobile but there are several apps by vb-audio and all of them look complicated and weird lol

[naive bluff]

I don't think VB works on mobile.

[slow ridge]

[scarlet bloom]

Help please, endless loading when connecting to the server

[feral badger]

Taariq had the same issue

[ivory elm]

nice to hear very poor changes, the reset of safety settings after relaunched is a good idea, definitely could prevent crashing

[hallow vale]

VRC thank you so much for allowing me to wear my very poor avatars. some of my quest avis have their menus removed because of a glitch on the quest side where all the toggles turn on and off rapidly. but now i can actually use my phone and see what the problem is now and add those menus back

i only really use my phone to do quest avatar testing anyways

[vast vigil]

Anyone know if you can fly using the portal 2 companion cube avatar?

[sweet sluice]

I got the quests... Not sure at all what i get from them, but im assuming well see later.

[ivory tapir]

updated #android-announcements with the 4 Very Poor avatar news!! Thank you all for your patience as we tested this!

[knotty wind]

this:

[sweet sluice]

Ooooh

Thats cool

[vale edge]

Makes me chuckle thinking about all the people so adamant vp would never be in mobile and that was that and anyone complaining needed to just accept it and shuddup.

As someone who is normally only chatting with small groups this is perfect. I finally can use mobile.

[grim night]

This ^

[wet sorrel]

I was very adamant about it happening.

Thank you devs for reconsidering and testing

[knotty wind]

i was mainly hoping that it would lead the avatar creator community into a trend of optimizing avatars, so not all avatars in VRChat are very poor performance rated 😞
but instead VRChat was forced to bend the knee and allowed the very poor performance rated avatars on mobile anyway... 😐

[wet sorrel]

And testing for iOs

[knotty wind]

i guess i will just hope that the upcoming "Built-in SDK Avatar Optimization" will bring more optimized avatars to VRChat... 🥺
https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-13-february-2025/41299

[wet sorrel]

We can't optimize others' own avatars. Plus we have the issue of terms of service with Base creators.

[knotty wind]

i know it is not the casual user's issue, but if nothing is done, nothing will change 😐
not sure what you mean by terms of service for base creators? people that buy an avatar base are allowed to optimize it 😕

[wet sorrel]

Not suppose to share purchased bases with non purchased users

[knotty wind]

i don't see an issue... if the avatar base creators optimized their avatars better, that wouldn't matter 🤷

[wet sorrel]

Event holders do have a say on which performance avatars are allowed which makes sense because they want to show as many avatars as possible.

[knotty wind]

the ability to limit avatars by performance rating in group instances would be cool 🤔
and i am kinda hoping that the hard limit on very poor performance rated avatars feature that added to mobile here could be added to Quest standalone too 🤔
literally anything to make Quest standalone users complain less about self-inflected crashing and memory issues 😒
basically, if we treat Quest standalone as the test phase of this, we can see that it completely failed... allowing the user to adjust it leads to them just setting it to max without thinking and then they come and complain when it makes them crash... 😞 so i am very happy they went the other way with this on mobile, even if they were pressured to change it now... 😐

[wet sorrel]

It is usually the Quest 2 moreso than the Quest 3, but it still has its limits. Definitely a higher number than 4.

Prismics has helped with selecting avatars by performance so Quest and phone users using a very poor avatar, can use a Poor or better avatar on Windows at events. Or poor or better for the other platforms.

The Dev Streams on Twitch has helped with transparency and participation.

[visual moss]

I wanted to know. How many custom avatars can you upload if you are a VRC mobile user? Last fall, I think there were 2 custom avatars available to upload. Has the custom avatar limit been increased since then?

I use a translator, sorry if it is not quite clear. I mean exactly your own avatars that can be loaded via unity sdk

[knotty wind]

as long as you have a normal VRChat.com account, as many as any other user... content uploading is not affected by the platform you play on... 🤷
it might be affected by your trust rank though, not actually sure on that 🤔
but it at least has nothing to do with Android Mobile platform 😕

[hybrid tendon]

How do you get the quests? I haven't seen them yet?

[wet sorrel]

It will appear like so when you start.

[hybrid tendon]

I don't got it :[

[wet sorrel]

Then it is under the testing phase

[hybrid tendon]

So I can't get it then?

[wet sorrel]

Just have to wait when it shows up

It is like when we got to test very poor avatars, or got the fallback since around December 23rd

[hybrid tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[knotty wind]

if you are looking for the quests because you want the badges... just check back in every once in a while, and it might appear... 🤷

[hybrid tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-reverse-disintegrating-thumbs-up-gif-12583797811880408949

[cinder cave]

no way, how can i play vrchat on mobile?

i dont have a veheadset but i will buy one soon

shall i buy this? --> https://amzn.eu/d/hI8hcFj for vrchat on steam to play 👇🏻?

oh wait im on an iphone btw y'all so... is there an alternative at all for me to enjoy any vr game at all?

[vale edge]

VRChat on mobile is not VR. It's basically the quest version in desktop mode. You simply download vrchat, login, and play using your touchscreen

[knotty wind]

#android-announcements

[knotty wind]

#ios-info

[cinder cave]

but i already have a vrchat account, do i have to sign up?

[naive bluff]

Yes, for the iOS closed beta.

[cinder cave]

oh okay

my iphone '11' isnt even on there.. ._.

to sign up for closed iOS beta

[naive bluff]

Sorry.

[cinder cave]

ugghhhhhhhh thats biased

but i forgive u

i chose iphone 14 bc my dad has that so i'll play on his anyway

[vale edge]

How dare they not support 6 year old discontinued phones

[cinder cave]

what phone do u have?

iphone or android?

[vale edge]

S24U & S25U

[cinder cave]

oooo very nice

[naive bluff]

OnePlus Open ftw.

tfw no Open 2 this year.

[heady sparrow]

the iphone 11 doesnt even have enough ram for the minimum requirement

[vale edge]

Best when companies wait a while between releases. I hate yearly launches.

[cinder cave]

but..... i was given more than 6GB to use without house wifi while being outside of my house that I live in

[heady sparrow]

what

[vale edge]

They were talking about the ram

[heady sparrow]

you cant just give your device more ram?

[vale edge]

iPhone 11 has 4GB memory

[cinder cave]

but i wasted a few of it already so u made ur point anyway

[heady sparrow]

w h a t

[vale edge]

English isn't their native language. It's okay

[heady sparrow]

you do know what ram is right?

[cinder cave]

i got more data than 4GB b4 but idk how much i got left rn

[heady sparrow]

ram isnt data

[cinder cave]

rate- no. sorry i forgot tbh

[cinder cave]

ok well i dont got it then probbly

[naive bluff]

Technically it is? Just in a different sense.

[heady sparrow]

in the case of mobile data no

[naive bluff]

I know, am speaking on a fundamental level.

[vale edge]

A bucket isn't the contents of what it holds

A bucket is a bucket. Not the water in it

[cinder cave]

i dont even speak USA english

[vale edge]

I speak ||cheeseburger||

[heady sparrow]

I speak broken

[naive bluff]

I speak bababooey.

[umbral walrus]

Is it me or am I not able to go in worlds like it would only say loading or smth

[feral badger]

RAM - Random Access Memory, is the computer hardware for storing working data. When you open a program, it loads into RAM. It's different from long term storage such as hard drives and SD cards where you save your files.

[vale edge]

Thanks jackgpt

[feral badger]

The walking encyclopedia to the rescue

A very old analogy is that your hard drive is like your document drawer and your RAM is like your office desk.

[feral badger]

Known issue. Restart the app and try again. Usually works on the 2nd try for me.

[sullen parcel]

someone else's camera doesn't work?

[wet sorrel]

I bought a new audioheadset with mic to test with vrc mobile. A friend's voice sounded clearer.

[soft tangle]

I'm wondering, why VRC website always log me out every few hours? Is this normal because it's very annoying when I need to logging every time I visit their website

[feral badger]

Check your browser privacy settings. Perhaps auto-delete cookies is turned on.

[knotty wind]

is this a question?

[sullen parcel]

yes

[knotty wind]

what is your question? because what you wrote was unclear

[knotty wind]

the website requires login if it notices you are coming from a new device or IP-address compared to last login... i believe

[sullen parcel]

What I mean is, when I want to use my VR camera it doesn't work, the images come out black

[soft tangle]

You mean this cookies? It's disable by default and I didn't change yet

[knotty wind]

on the camera interface? or the pictures saved to your device/gallery/print? can you show a picture of the issue?

[feral badger]

No, not for the website specifically, but globally

Those controls are just for optional cookies that collect data

[feral badger]

If the browser is set to delete cookies, then it doesn't save your login session and the website doesn't recognise you next time you open it

[knotty wind]

i suggest making a bug report, be sure to add the picture and any other information you can think of, you do it here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/

[sullen parcel]

oh okay thanks

[ivory tapir]

i feel like someone on Quest reported something similar. All their Prints were printing black

so i suspect there's something wrong with the camera for Android. we'll investigate

[weary rain]

I eat cheeseburger

wait

where did the chat go?

[storm bison]

😆

[sullen parcel]

ty ty

[sullen parcel]

I also have a question about the Android microphone.

[vale edge]

Just ask if ya have a Q

[sullen parcel]

I have a problem with the microphone, every time I join a world it usually works for 4-6 minutes or less and then it no longer recognizes as if I had a microphone, or I have to speak super loud for it to be seen in the sound and voice tab

I don't know if it's my problem or VRChat's

[compact venture]

Anyone know how to get the badge?

I don't have any quests but want the bade

[knotty wind]

the quests are RANDOMLY given as part of A/B testing... of you don't see the quests in the app, just check back in a few days and they might appear... 😐

[daring shale]

has anyone encountered this build error?

i'm trying to run abuild on my PC

[knotty wind]

i think you are in the wrong channel... i suggest trying #world-development

[lapis turret]

So I’m guessing that VRchat mobile is not coming to Apple anytime soon?

[naive bluff]

#ios-info <-

[soft tangle]

I'm nearly done with the challenge task, except making 2 friends…

[still geyser]

For me the only broken things in vrc is the mic in the mobile version

I could only talk for a few seconds and then I couldn't talk anymore. The mic icon is still active but the in-game mic can't pick up the input voice

[knotty wind]

change the activation threshold in the settings, it is set to max by default, i think...

[neat wyvern]

i´ve been waiting for 1 week or more and i still can´t see them -_-

i will be very disappointed, if the badge gets removed before i have it

[knotty wind]

it is RANDOM testing... no one here can answer you when or how you will get them 🤷
i doubt it will be removed, since the badge doesn't say it is only for beta testing...

[wet sorrel]

@neat wyvern Did you update the app?

[knotty wind]

it is not part of an update... it is part of the A/B testing... it only rolls out to some users at a time, or something, and it is random... 🤷
so literally nothing to do other than wait to randomly get it, or for VRChat to release the feature fully 🙄

[wet sorrel]

Ok

I did have my green badge go away sometime after getting the purple badge.

[knotty wind]

yeah, that is intentional... they changed it so that the purple badge is an upgrade to the green badge, rather than being two separate badges
(it didn't automatically replace the green badge in my shown badges though, maybe a small bug)

[wet sorrel]

That makes sense

Anyway, I'm happy since very poor avatars are permanant. I celebrated by getting some vrc credits, and made one purchase.

[visual moss]

Can anyone log in to this world from a mobile device? I get kicked out of the game every time I try to log in here...

[feral badger]

I need better hardware. I can explore just fine but interacting with other player is really hard when the game has big lag spikes and no one's avatar ever loads for me.

I'm grateful it works at least.

[knotty wind]

Thad Home of Cuddles by Thad Gryther
works fine for me... what is the issue? 😕
there was a screen telling me to press M key on my nonexistent keyboard, but a button underneath it said "I can't, let me in", and i could enter fine 🤷
the creator of the world just needs to update their world to detect the difference between Android flatscreen and PC desktop flatscreen

[visual moss]

How many GB of RAM do you have? This world just doesn't load for me or my friends

[knotty wind]

RAM: 12 gb + 4 gb
is what it says... i can seemingly even adjust it to get more RAM... 🤷

[naive bluff]

👀

What model of phone do you got?

[feral badger]

If you can adjust the RAM most likely it's changing some optional page file system

[knotty wind]

mine is a OnePlus 10 Pro 5G, never had any issues with VRChat on it

[naive bluff]

Nice! I got that too.

Though I switched to the Open last year

[knotty wind]

What about you?

[feral badger]

6 GBs of RAM, IIRC?

It seems to me you really need 8 GB to enjoy any stability, because at 6 GB I get errors related to low memory constantly.

Features and avatars getting disabled

[knotty wind]

ooh... 6 gb seems to be the bare minimum... didn't know it was that bad down there 😟

[feral badger]

The $300-400 midrange phones from 3 years ago usually sat around 6 GB

[knotty wind]

my current phone was a gift from my employer, so i don't know what it cost 😅
also, european pricing is usually way different anyway 🤷

[visual moss]

I have 6 GB RAM, as the developers wrote, these are the minimum requirements. In general, everything is fine, but this is the first card that crashed for me. Maybe it is really heavy...

For now I'll have to survive with the phone I have, I don't think about changing it for at least another 2 years

I set myself maximum graphics and OSC, with all the heavy settings, it works fine almost everywhere

[soft tangle]

I really don't get it, they say that everyone (Android) finally able to use Very Poor avatar now #android-announcements message.

But in my case, I'm unable to use any Very Poor avatar in Samsung S22 Ultra here while my other device Vivo Y11 able to use it without any issue

Proof screenshot with Very Poor in my Vivo Y11, Vulper avatar

[torpid drift]

Are both devices running the same build (listed in the debug settings)

[soft tangle]

Yes, both are same build 1568

[naive bluff]

I'onooo... I ain't heard of no mayor!

[knotty wind]

maybe it is based on amount of RAM your device has? 🤷
as we just talked about above, a device with only 6gb RAM cannot handle much...

[naive bluff]

I can never tell if that's a "confused" look or a "why are you like this?" look.

[soft tangle]

Bruh, that Samsung has bigger RAM and better performance than my daily use device Vivo. No way it's related with RAM cuz it works well but not on Samsung

Probably still have side effect from A/B test they are still working on currently

[naive bluff]

Or, it's on a rollout.

[soft tangle]

It's been 5 days now since announcement, but I will see if it works after a week or two ✌🏼

[knotty wind]

it has not been in any patch notes yet... so it is likely in next update or something...
only places mentioned:

• #android-announcements message
• https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-13-february-2025/41299#p-76068-very-poor-avatars-on-mobile-10
  and it is mentioned under the "Development Updates" section, so it likely isn't released yet, and is likely still just in random A/B testing as mentioned before:
• #android-announcements message

[soft tangle]

First experience with new feature in VRChat Mobile, Face Tracking! 👀😱 It's very amazing feature on mobile tbh but it might needs some improvement like better accuracy face detection in future update.

[feral badger]

I tried it yesterday. Made me realise that I'm a blinker.

Unfortunately it tanked my frame rate in regular worlds so I turned it off.

Maybe VRChat is CPU-bound on my phone

[wet sorrel]

I like the Selfie Expression feature

[knotty wind]

it is very fun to use, yeah 👍
not sure what VRChat can do to change the actual tracking though, since it is native Android doing that part of it... VRChat just applies the scan to the avatar, as far as i understand 🤔

[ivory elm]

despite turning off microphone access in android settings, vrchat can... still access the microphone.
intended behavior?

[knotty wind]

wouldn't that be an Android issue if it is allowing apps to still use the microphone?
but also, are you sure that is what the "Microphone access" button does?

[ivory elm]

other apps don't seem to be able to use my microphone with it off (discord, camera, phone, Roblox, etc)

[drowsy tusk]

how do i play in sideways mode?

i can only play like this

when i flip my phone it doesnt work

[naive bluff]

Make sure to have rotation mode enabled.

[knotty wind]

turn on auto-rotation in Android, you can do it in the shelf-thing-menu you can drag down from the top

[feral badger]

I wish we could set it within the app instead

Between the lag and glitches, it's a pain to turn it on, switch to landscape and turn it off.

[knotty wind]

i usually just leave it enabled when i start VRChat, it is nice to be able to rotate back to portrait mode if i need to write a lot 🤔

[feral badger]

I use a GameSir X2 controller

The touch controls are surprisingly fiddly

They seem very picky about the exact where and how

Maybe because of the low frame rate

The touch to speech button was especially uncooperative

Until I tried the controller I couldn't interact with anyone

[ivory elm]

love how silly looking selfie expressions look in a way, i wish the swaying you can do could be mixed with proper VRCFaceTracking on desktop, in a way!!
it looks a little awkward on my device (S24FE / SM-S721U), but it is to be expected

probably would help if i used my model which wasnt medium rank on android 😭 since the mouth is slightly wonk

[feral badger]

Your avatar has to be rigged to use the tracking or the results are limited.

Mine just responded to blinks and head tilts

[glacial narwhal]

Is there controller support for mobile?

[feral badger]

Yes

You can connect a controller via Bluetooth

[glacial narwhal]

How well does it work?

[feral badger]

Pretty well

[glacial narwhal]

Any specific bugs or problems I should know about?

[feral badger]

Interacting with objects, the buttons aren't uniform

Sometimes it uses left trigger, sometimes circle, sometimes right trigger

A bit odd

[glacial narwhal]

Uniform?

[feral badger]

Yeah, standardised

[glacial narwhal]

Aaaaa

[feral badger]

The controls are a bit confusing, but they work

[glacial narwhal]

Ok

I will have to mess around with it to figure it out

[feral badger]

The only thing that didn't work for me is the screenshot button

But it still works in the menu

[stiff shell]

gm🙂 is it possible to run vrchat on one android and the second android to track the body with camera via osc?