#server-feedback

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warm geyser
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At the moment and when it is out of preview - it's a paid product. Then after 30 days your preview license expires.

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A Rider channel is too specific (and I say this as a Jetbrains shill)

rustic ridge
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I think it will stay free for students, but I'm not sure

eager surge
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it will

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but I refer you to this

If unreal-relevant questions for rider (or visual studio, or whatever other ide) started to overwhelm #cpp then you might have a point
but they don't

rustic ridge
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yeah thats fair

chilly ivy
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A channel for Rider doesn't seem like a great for us. The JetBrains server seems to have it covered.

rustic ridge
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Everyone knows of and is on Unreal Slackers, but not everyone knows of their discord, hence a channel here might be more helpful for some people. But I get what you say, and to repeat myself, as long as there is not even an Visual Studio channel its not of relevancy anyways.

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their forum is pretty inactive, their discord & reddit is too, Unreal Slackers on the other hand is very active almost all the time

chilly ivy
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but not everyone knows of their discord
Perhaps we should start a list of related servers that people should know, to raise awareness.

rustic ridge
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that would be an idea

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But maybe there are just too few Rider users in general that it wouldnt matter

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I dont know, I dont have the data

chilly ivy
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Perhaps. It's still in early preview, after all.

rustic ridge
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You could make such an list now, or when Rider officially releases, that's open for deliberation. Also, which would those servers be that people "should know of", what do you have in mind?

chilly ivy
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Probably Quixel, Substance, things like that.

rustic ridge
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yeah

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Does Visual Studio have one, any idea?

chilly ivy
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Microsoft does.

rustic ridge
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oh ok

chilly ivy
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It's a general community server for Windows, Xbox, VS, etc.

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There are some general programming servers out there, though. Community-run ones.

rustic ridge
chilly ivy
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Such as Coding Den, Programmer's Hangout, etc.

rustic ridge
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If i join all of them my discord list gets messy at some point

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I try to keep a small amount of them

chilly ivy
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Same. I have a very small server list. I prune any servers I can go 2 weeks without talking.

rustic ridge
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me too^^

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That's what I like about Unreal Slackers, its active and has a wide range of people with a wide range of competencies.

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Its evolved to a place thats almost a must-have for game devs, especially indies.

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Out of curiosity, who is the (original) founder of Unreal Slackers, is that you?

chilly ivy
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Yes.

rustic ridge
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not bad 😎

chilly ivy
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I'm glad you find it useful. 🙂

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Hard to believe it's been 6 years.

rustic ridge
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6 years is a long time 👀

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world has been different 6 years ago 👀

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😄

chilly ivy
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Indeed. Things have changed.

rustic ridge
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Also, that list thing is on you, you're the boss here. 😄

chilly ivy
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Certainly worth thinking about. It could be useful.

rustic ridge
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Indeed.

chilly ivy
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I'll try to keep you guys posted, and if we do it we'll probably ask the community for recommendations.

rustic ridge
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okay 👍

ocean siren
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It's not a bad idea, and would result in directly pulling from that list to direct folks to a more dedicated community. I stop myself linking to the appropriate discords semi frequently but if there would be a list it would feel more like a supported thing. Obvious example being standard C++ discussion (TPH, say)

honest rock
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to put an end to "add xyz channel!" requests, how about a #miscellaneous?

marble tusk
honest rock
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I don't see off topic as covering unreal-related

marble tusk
honest rock
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fair

warm geyser
gritty lotus
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Threads are pretty terrible on fast moving channels

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it'll mean conversations bouncing back and forth with frustrating frequency

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if threads are separated from the main window, it might not be so bad

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but looking at this, it's terrible, lol

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it basically creates a private pseudo-channel, so nobody can jump in at any time

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also that private threads channel is so going to be abused to harass people who don't allow DMs

ocean siren
gritty lotus
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aye, it just seems like a bad idea in general

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if you want a private group message.... use DMs?

ocean siren
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Actually moderation is like the only use case I can think of outside of like work stuff

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but that's what channels are for

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the short lived nature limits the utility as well

warm geyser
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I disagree about the thoughts with threads. I think they're great personally. And the way they're doing it, it can be on the side window. Threads are especially helpful for help scenarios.

ocean siren
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I think public threads seem pretty nice

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Hopefully one can link to an archived thread as well

gritty lotus
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They're temporary if I'm reading that correctly

dry linden
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there is a variable archive after inactivity which is defaulted to 24 hours, you get more by boosting lol

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warm geyser
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Yeah - archive != delete though. So if we can still link to an archived thread, that'd be great.

dry linden
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archived probably means deleted for us, archived for admins

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it's looking like us users will only see active public threads in the threads directory, and the private ones we have access too. Once it's inactive for 24 hours nobody will be able to link to it

warm geyser
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Guess we'll just have to wait n' see

gritty lotus
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it likely means just plain gone

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admins can't see normal deleted messages as it is

chilly ivy
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Deleting and archiving threads are separate operations.

wary sun
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Is archiving what has happened when i see people linking to seemingly "deleted" messages? Edit; guess they've actually been deleted. Can't find a single example atm.

gritty lotus
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no, archiving does not exist without the context of Threads

bold junco
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just got threads on my small server - the current conclusion seems to be that they could be great for stuff like announcements and such but should be disabled for normal channels

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also thread creation spam - it's rate-limited but that doesn't mean you can't cause some chaos with a few bots

warm geyser
bold junco
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yeah they even show up in search

drowsy oxide
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We can certainly see some benefits to them. However we can also see some major problems. We will let you guys know what we decide to do and how to handle them when we come to a conclusion on the way we would like them to be used here.

chilly ivy
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Indeed. We're currently evaluating them and deciding on how/if we will utilize them.

hard coral
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as soon as there are two or more persons helping different persons it gets messy

chilly ivy
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Moderation would be challenging if we enabled them in every support channel, though.

hard coral
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that is true, but do they really need moderation?

chilly ivy
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Well yes. They're still conversations happening on our server.

hard coral
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they get archived anyways, and I don't think you get messages anyways unless you've joined a threat

chilly ivy
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Yes, they get auto-archived after a certain period of inactivity.

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And I believe only mods can unarchive them.

hard coral
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but I definitely understand your point

chilly ivy
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There's just a lot to consider before we enable them. Not something we just want to flip on for every channel. 🙂

hard coral
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Understandable 👍

honest rock
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perhaps, then, a single help channel within which threads reside

chilly ivy
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We're thinking of starting with this channel.

loud gulch
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It's a shame they get auto archived, although that makes sense from a maintenance point of view. Where threads would be useful imo, is for holding lots of info for a particular topic which guides or instructs. Essentially the main page being a list of topics, with the threads giving the meat of the subject. This would allow users to very quickly skim the topic titles etc to find what they are looking for. However since threads don't last long and probably aren't really designed for that sort of thing, it's a no go.

Plus this still relies on users reading thread titles, searching for threads etc given the number of users who currently do little or no searching with tools like Google let alone within Discord channels themselves. It may become more work for less productivity.

turbid spoke
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Are you going to enable the thread feature that just got released? 😄

reef rapids
turbid spoke
loud gulch
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This is why we can't have nice things.

silent kite
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Threads would be useful when helping someone and there is a lot of back and forth cluttering up the chat as a result. I prefer to only help people directly in the channels since that means it is visible for others who might run into the same issues as opposed to using DMs that perpetuate the old "DMd you the solution" posts that you run across on the internet while looking for answers.

open radish
silent kite
open radish
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ah ya its literally like a forum inside a huuuge chat. oh wait. right. just like slack lol... forgot about SLACk

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so u prefer channels being full with stuff and nobody knows what is happening...

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at least with thread system peoples questions wont be forgotten as easily.

marble tusk
open radish
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yes. cause very few use c++

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ofc its easily readable

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u scroll up 2 meters in cpp to look if you can answer a questin?

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0.0

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not in CPP FILE. i mean in the channel

marble tusk
open radish
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y<eah but c'mon. so much clearer with threads u cant deny zis

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what.... just channels literally fragment everything

marble tusk
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And this isn't official forums anyway so yeah

open radish
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@silent kiteHELP ME im being granaded

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dont understand that

marble tusk
# open radish so? relevancy?

It would only be bloody beneficial if people used the search bar, checked the pinned message, or messages appearing in Google search results.

open radish
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gotta test it out

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i mean if i create a thread in cpp the thread stays there

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it wont go somewhere else

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@open radish

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#cpp threads are not visible on other channels

marble tusk
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It's more manageable if the server isn't crowded tho.
Hence why Slack had it.

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Well, doesn't really matter if it's crowded, but at least could be useful for private channels only.

open radish
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no idea what u mean with manageable

marble tusk
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You'll get the gist once you're actually running a team.

dry linden
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opinion: threads add more clutter.

have a good day!

marble tusk
deft raft
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I love Slack Threads. Exclusively using those to keep stuff more organized and channels small/clean. To a point where we only use Threads.

But... The Discord threads are not like Slack threads... I haven't looked much into it but if you can't disable them showing up in the the channel list then I'm not the biggest fan personally

drowsy oxide
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I dont like the whole feeling of them being thrown in your face.

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Seems like they are trying to push them to hard as though they are so revolutionary and need to be there at all times so you dont forget it.

lofty cypress
deft raft
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Yeah, i don't like that

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Just have them in a proper list where I can find them if I want to.

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Slack also manages to do this without pushing them into the channel list

lofty cypress
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It would be good to have an option to not show them in the channel list. The icon still changes when there are threads in a channel, and there’s a way to list them all in a channel

deft raft
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I don't fully understand why they even need to be linked so heavily to the channels.
In a perfect scenario, people would post a question, and you would answer in a thread. If you help a lot on this platform it would cause your channel list on the left to blow up, unless you actively leave or the auto archive catches up.
I don't get why though. I can just scroll through the channel and see the questions to enter the threads.
And if someone answers in a thread, it can just ping me and open the thread when pressing the notification.
A separated list of threads I'm in, e.g. on the right side where the unneeded User List is, would be enough if you forget the thread you were in.
And there they can be sorted by channel for example.

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It escapes me why this was implemented like this

summer minnow
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they'll probably notice the issue once it gets used more

deft raft
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You mean the next 26 versions? :<

slender blade
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They haven't fixed the issues with the "reply" button at all fwiw

slender blade
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All of it

deft raft
slender blade
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I.e. the tag being on by default

deft raft
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Ah

slender blade
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😄

deft raft
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:D

slender blade
deft raft
marble tusk
summer minnow
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well thread feature could be a way to "fix" the reply thing

marble tusk
slender blade
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Threads would be great for that if they wouldn't clutter the sidebar, but had their own place

open radish
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Stupid idea, but what about giving people that are very active with helping in certain channels a thread role. Where they can create and manage threads

silent kite
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I think a good argument for threads has appeared in the #animation channel. A discussion regarding blender is quite active and in the middle of it someone asked for help but it sort of vanished in the conversation. If someone could make a blender thread the discussion would be contained in that without disrupting the flow of the main channel. So people can still ask for help while we can still get into deeper discussions in topics that are interesting. I'm all for discussing pros and cons of tools in the animation channel since it is relevant, but with threads it would be more self contained and still allow the animation channel to serve its real purpose.

marble tusk
silent kite
reef rapids
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From what i understood up till now it would be really hard to moderate user created threads and there would be either lots of unmoderated threads what would lead to the mods removing it from users or they would need a lot of new mods. Even if your question does get pushed by other conversations, they can just wait untill its finished and come back later to ask the question

deft raft
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The argument you propose from #animation is basically the main thing why I (we?) would use it.

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It's the UX that is shit

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Let's assume the UX is not shit, then peeps could post a question "Hey I need help with my Crash Log: <file>" and those who want to answer can open a thread on that question or join the existing one. That means nothing would happen on the outside of the thread and the next question would be visible

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That's perfect in my eyes

deft raft
marble tusk
deft raft
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Yeah that might actually be a problem

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Or maybe not

slender blade
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Archival doesn't actually really seem to do... anything ...

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Just takes it out of the channel list

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Is all it seems to be

reef rapids
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My main concern would be untill someone calls a mod, people could just create random threads and start pinging random people to try and scam them

slender blade
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You can reopen an archived channel by sending a message in it, and they just remain visible in the chat

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I'm relatively sure you can ping a moderator into a channel
And yeah, you can ping people that aren't in a thread yet and that'll just work

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Private ones should be the same

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Moderators can see private threads

deft raft
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You can already try to scam people everywhere else

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Threads would be less of a problem as we can be pinged into it

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DMs are way more shitty

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Can we not just all scream at Discord staff to fix the UX

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;_;

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Just make a threads icon up here

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Show them instead of the member list

slender blade
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@deft raft

open radish
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Sure wish discord put some actually useful features in and not gimmicks you pay for

deft raft
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Wait, that exists?

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WHY ARE THEY IN THE CHANNEL LIST THEN

slender blade
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😄

deft raft
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What's next, a list below each user on the right in what threads they are?

slender blade
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Also deleting that pic again because there's stuff in there

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Thought I'd managed to get a clean one but no

deft raft
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Ah I didn't look at it very closely, dw

silent kite
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The benefits of threads outweigh any UI nuisances. At least for me personally. But ultimately up to the people in charge to decide on what to do.

uncut spruce
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I hate slack threads, but I could see how pushing question responses into a thread would make sense. On the other hand, it's less likely to help others because they'd have no reason to go into that thread if the premise isn't their own, yet sometimes the answer to a question sparks understanding for others lurking

deft raft
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People who want to help will probably enter the threads. Just a matter of getting used to.

slender blade
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I almost certainly will

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Just take a quick skim through anything but the least interesting threads

ocean siren
deft raft
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Yeah I got told about it.

warm geyser
warm geyser
granite bough
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Can we get threads?

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specifically on the cpp channel?

chilly ivy
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Currently evaluating them.

granite bough
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big thank mr fist

gritty lotus
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we've been trying them out on another server, and to be honest, they're just terrible

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the problem is the conversation just disappears instantly, making it difficult for anyone to interject

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there's a little icon in the channel list, but when you have a zillion channels like here, it's eh

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I would really only use them on specific channels like Announcements and News

honest rock
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I see value in them under a specific threads-only dedicated support channel, but...

chilly ivy
honest rock
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perhaps a new dedicated prolonged support channel with them for long problems?

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that bump there from the appropriate main channel

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use case:
"Ok, that didn't work either, this is going to be a long tough one. Let's avoid the clutter and head to a thread so we keep everything clean and organized while working on this over a few days."

gritty lotus
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it's a nice idea in theory, but in practice it's hard enough to get people to post in relevant channels to begin with, let alone anything more complicated :/

honest rock
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good point

vale hound
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can we make a DMX channel? i think it would be very helpful for many people (or is it just me?). (Wouldn't be the first time.LOL)

drowsy oxide
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What on earth is DMX?

eager surge
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digital multiplex - common protocol to control lighting and other stage equipment in theater and other live venues. There's an epic-supported plugin to let unreal communicate with DMX equipment. Seems a bit too specific of a topic for its own channel, though - wouldn't it sort of fit into #virtual-production ?

chilly ivy
leaden karmaBOT
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:no_entry_sign: Angel The Boss#6410 was banned.

vale hound
deft raft
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@gray gulch Please use #umg . This channel here is for feedback about the Discord Server and not a UE4 support channel.

limber juniper
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add a YouTube Bot

chilly ivy
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You want notifications every time Epic uploads a new video?

limber juniper
limber juniper
reef rapids
# limber juniper yeah

Turn on notifications for the epic youtube channel, you'll get a notification every time they upload a new video

limber juniper
covert creek
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Is it possible to have some kind of "gameplay-design" channel in content creation category for people who struggling with designing gameplay features in general?
The questions with pattern "how to implement X gameplay system" are popping quite often and none of existing content creation channels seems to fit while programming section is too specific for them and longe/ue-general doesn't fit for them.

sand grail
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that is similar to game design, but that channel lost its focus at some point

gritty lotus
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we had a channel like that and it was a complete and utter waste of time

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it would go weeks without an actual design question, which would usually get buried by the piles of generic 'How do I X?' questions

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in the end the best solution to the frustration was to just get rid of it

reef rapids
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IMO questions like "how to implement X gameplay system" should stay under programming, since its not game design because you are not designing something or balancing a feature you are just asking how to make this thing with this specific tool

ocean siren
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I could see another angle there, kinda a "how do I redesign this mechanic to be simpler to implement".

But just straight up discussing implementation should be #blueprint / #cpp

dry linden
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looks like an update to 4.27 preview just dropped today. I can't remember if its going from preview 3 to preview 4, or if it's just some hotfixes. Also I can't find the changelog

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but whatever it is it's a 5 gig update

chilly ivy
# dry linden looks like an update to 4.27 preview just dropped today. I can't remember if its...

Looks like it's preview 4. The changelog can be found here: https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/unreal-engine-4-27-preview/234295

Unreal Engine Forums
Unreal Engine 4.27 Preview

Preview 1 of the upcoming 4.27 release is available now on the Launcher and GitHub. We are making this Preview available so you can try our new features and help us catch issues before the final release. As fixes are implemented, we will release updated previews throughout the development cycle. Please be aware that preview releases are not ful...

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Scroll to the bottom of the OP.

dry linden
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cheers! how did you find that? sounds silly but I searched and couldn't find it, did results in the past 24 hours, and the "release notes" page takes you to 4.26 with no option for 4.27 lol

chilly ivy
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They only share release notes for preview builds on the forums.

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Only stable release notes are published to the docs.

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They always pin preview announcements/notes on the forum under the Announcements & Releases category.

dry linden
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Ah yeah I see, just surprised it didn't show up in google, especially since searching for "Unreal Engine 4.27 Preview" and filtered last 24 hours and didn't show up.
Thanks for that heads up, good to know where to look next time 🍻

chilly ivy
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For what it's worth, Duck Duck Go shows the relevant results right away.

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Actually I get similar results in Google, too. But Google differs from person to person. Maybe yours is mad at you. 😄

dry linden
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Haha actually I got those links, but I was only looking at the date because I didn't realize that preview builds were only in the forums AND I didn't read through the whole thing and see they updated the bottom section of the post with the fixes in preview 4. I was looking at the date of the post which was jun 8th of this year. For some reason I was looking for a separate preview 4 post, whoopsy!

I've tried a few times to switch to Duck Duck Go, but unfortunately google just knows how to find the right stack overflow post or whatever else I'm looking for, they already know too much about me 😁

mental vessel
loud gulch
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Over past wee while I've noticed several people having issues with Quixel Bridge, in one form or another. While I've been giving them a url to go to, sometimes it's easier to give them the discord link. However this would probably fall foul of #rules which is the point of this post. Seeing as Quixel is part of Epic would it be allowed to share their discord to users with issues relating to Quixel related things?

sand grail
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I see no issues in that

marble tusk
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Though it might be worth having a separate read only channel to list recommended servers, like Quixel's.

burnt hedge
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Maybe set up a form for people to submit to an admin or mod to allow early streaming, because people who do need help and such that just joined have a really hard time getting that help with just a sreenshot

chilly ivy
burnt hedge
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Well Yall have it because of trolls right

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Make extra steps and so on to be able to allow people that want to learn that opportunity

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im still having problems and I cant even show what they are due to this rule

chilly ivy
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Maybe we can discuss reducing the waiting period at some point, but I don't think allowing people to apply to bypass it altogether is a good approach.

burnt hedge
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But I understand the work that would go into thats all the feedback I have thank you for looking at it

chilly ivy
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I appreciate you bringing it up.

leaden karmaBOT
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:no_entry_sign: Nikolaaa#1000 was banned.

open radish
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hey i dont really know where to message someone about this so ill put it here. ive message the bot (manny) to try open a ticket and it gives me a response saying i cannot message the user

chilly ivy
open radish
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ok i swear i had this on but aparently not

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thanks man

mint halo
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Is that really covered under the topic of it?

chilly ivy
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The discussion about contracts?

mint halo
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Just kind of curious if dealing with hiring people is career related

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Yeah and if they should be paid etc

chilly ivy
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Yes. Hiring and contracts pertain to working in the industry.

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Hard to talk about hiring and contracts without bringing up legal stuff, so it's bound to come up.

mint halo
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Yeah I can see that just kinda odd to talk about discrepancies and advice on what is uhh acceptable to expect etc. that mixing in with stuff like portfolio questions and what not

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Makes sense if it’s just a wide blanket of things though

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And I’d never suggest a legal advice channel ohnaaaw

chilly ivy
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Yeah. For now #career-chat is a catch-all for working in the industry and all that pertains to.

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Maybe in the future we should consider splitting it into "running a business" and "portfolio advice" channels.

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If there's interest in giving those topics their own space.

mint halo
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Yeah, like I’d almost recommend avoiding discussion of the later

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But that’s fine

chilly ivy
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You'd recommend avoiding discussion of portfolio advice?

mint halo
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Sorry

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I meant legal advice

chilly ivy
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Oh, yeah I agreed with you on that.

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A legal advice channel would be silly.

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If I made that, it would be a read-only channel that said "Ask your lawyer."

mint halo
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People have asked questions about stuff like petitions against them etc

chilly ivy
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We can't prevent people from giving legal advice.

mint halo
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Yeah

chilly ivy
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The best we can do is avoid encouraging it, by not having a channel for it and by not mentioning it in any channel topics.

mint halo
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Cool

dry linden
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it may be a slow moving channel with low interest, but I vote for a pixel streaming channel. I think that there will be the occasional times where extremely valuable information would be exchanged, and at the very least, may provide a good outlet to possibly monitor what people are experiencing and trying to overcome with their pixel streaming projects. cheers!

ancient pier
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I feel like there is something wrong with Manny the job bot, seems to crash when I get to the end of the process before it spits out the summary

chilly ivy
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This channel is for giving us feedback.

chilly ivy
ancient pier
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basically it just stops responding

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when I get to the final question about "how can they contact you"

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I respond and it just hangs

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there is a screenshot of the end of my last interaction if that's helpful

chilly ivy
ancient pier
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yesterday it worked a couple of times and then hung (was fine tuning it so you can't edit mistakes). Today it hung first time

chilly ivy
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OK, thanks for the feedback. I'll look into why this might be happening.

drowsy oxide
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We got it thanks.

stoic goblet
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got it

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ok

chilly ivy
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Very interesting. Thanks for the insight @primal ocean!

open radish
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Damn, thanks fellas !

mental vessel
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Divivor, The tiny malware buster

leaden karmaBOT
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:no_entry_sign: Aman#5737 was banned.

mental vessel
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Dude looked normal... tc tc tc

manic gorge
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Can I please have a little clarification on how to use Manny for job postings? It's not clear to me if I use the $ commands in one of the JOB BOARDS channels or somewhere else.

chilly ivy
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Would it be more clear if the #instructions said "send a DM to Manny" instead of "send a message to Manny"?

manic gorge
ocean siren
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you have to enable DMs with members of this server, or with anyone

manic gorge
dry linden
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you could have the Mann(y) auto accept friend invites, wouldn't need to change anything else. Then people could choose keep their public DM setting on or off and still access. If the friend request for some reason fails, then the user could still just change their DM settings

ocean siren
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can you add bots as friends?

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I think that's something discord doesn't allow

chilly ivy
dry linden
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thats interesting, you think they would expose that for bots

manic gorge
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I don't think it's necessary to do to much here. I got what I needed from you helpful folks, and clearly others have reasoned through this better than I have in the past.

rain dagger
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having a few channels with mandatory push to talk would be awesome

molten notch
chilly ivy
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Forcing Krisp would not be good. It's not compatible with every audio setup.

molten notch
chilly ivy
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It's OK. I understand where you're coming from.

pallid harbor
#

Is this the place for server suggestion?

chilly ivy
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Yes.

pallid harbor
#

I think it would be really cool if there was a list of games completed by people who got together in #volunteer-projects. Would also be super interested just to see, how often does it actually come to fruition...

pallid harbor
#

Is released unpaid only?

#

If not, how do you distinguish?

#

They're rhetorical btw

lilac wyvern
#

Where can I find the document to register the group and play?

loud gulch
#

I think it's fair to say, that during this influx of people who don't read either the rules, guides, or channel descriptions that I really really feel for the moderators and admin at this trying time. 🙂

fleet surge
#

just received this dm from soneone in here

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gritty lotus
#

Discord should really auto-detect those shitty spam links and automatically delete them + ban the account

worn rune
#

This server should have a shitposting/memes channel 👍

open radish
#

There are as many other discord servers as there are stars in the sky where you can do that

worn rune
open radish
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Ah ok

mental vessel
#

Please, that's a bit insulting to the class of #lounge

drowsy oxide
solar parcel
#

false positives

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but yeah this is a bit sad

#

funny how 99% of the bots spamming these messages are actually normal accounts that have been stolen

gritty lotus
#

I mean, that's not a false positive, that's a compromised account, and Discord should ban it

#

if the original account holder wants it unbanned, they'll have to talk to Discord

solar parcel
#

you dont get fucked by clicking a link

#

they make you download token grabbers

#

nobody in this server is stupid enough?

#

?

#

because it was in this server? and this is where you report it?

#

ah yes

#

sending a screenshot and labelling it as fake

#

"spreading"

solar parcel
#

imagine if discord deleted your account just because someone grabbed your token

gritty lotus
#

ban != delete, and bans are easily reversed

solar parcel
#

you can easily change your token and lock the scammer out by changing your password

solar parcel
#

discord support times are measured in days

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they dont thousands of extra shit to deal with

gritty lotus
#

easy & fast are two different things, but this argument is clearly pointless and not in good faith, so I'm not going to continue it

solar parcel
#

yeah bc you dont know what youre talking about but whatever

sand grail
#

I agree discord should do more with compromised accounts, and there should be a way to easily report compromised accounts to discord. Automated systems may work but false positives is the main issue here, and they will always work around them.

#

Also, please keep it civil.

solar parcel
#

On iOS there is a report button

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But doubt it does much

violet talon
#

Manny's delete command doesn't work. Can I get my contract-jobs post deleted? Has a typo

ruby knot
#

this one?

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violet talon
#

Yes

ruby knot
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Removed it 👍

violet talon
#

👌 Thanks.

chilly ivy
violet talon
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Did $delete {discordMessageId} and it didn't work

chilly ivy
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The command is $remove {message ID}

violet talon
chilly ivy
#

It didn't work because you entered the whole command again when Manny was just asking for the ID.

violet talon
#

wtf lol

#

my bad

chilly ivy
#

It's OK. You're not the first person to get confused by that.

#

The experience will be improved soon. Thanks for letting me know!

topaz moth
#

I have a suggestion. Wouldn't it be better to have a dedicated channel for "Game Design"?

slender blade
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There used to be one, it was removed because 99% of messages in it were along the lines of "how do I model a tree"

topaz moth
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Really? What a shame. Maybe another channel right next to it called "3d-design" or something like that? I'm really having hard time to picking a channel for my game design questions 😅

dim sandal
#

There should be an art channel and a game design channel! 🤘

mental vessel
#

Ppl don't know what is game design, it was proven.

deft raft
#

We tried for so long, it didn't work. Just adding Game Design back won't work

#

It's like not giving up on your shitty relationship that ended for a reason

mental vessel
#

sus

dim sandal
mental vessel
#

The method of elimination? I dunno whether it was tried and will it work.

open radish
ocean siren
# dim sandal Because the server needs a channel for art, dcc or feedback, like ue specific. T...

but people would also ask about implementing #multiplayer concepts in #blueprint because they thought that designing the architecture of the systems fit the game design channel. Despite that being more or less unrelated to the design of their game (which had either been decided or didn't actually exist).

No amount of channels will stop people using a dedicated design channel for implementation questions, so long as people refuse to read.

gritty lotus
#

there was a game design channel - it was an absolute disaster

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half of the content creation channels are art channels

ocean siren
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I guess you could gate access behind a role, and have a pretty simple process to unlock it but which required actually reading stuff

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Could be in the channel guide. The game design channel is listed along with a description, but you cannot post until you read the channel guide more closely and hypothetically are aware of the other channels. Could be something like "DM Manny with !designer"

slender blade
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Make a thing where users have to send "Game design is the theory of how game mechanics work on a psychological level" to Manny to get the channel 😄

ocean siren
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I have low confidence it'd work

#

be cool if it would cycle periodically, to reduce the chance of someone redirecting from other channels. "Hey go ask how to paint textures in game design. You gotta DM Manny this phrase tho"

#

Could be removed as well, for continually off topic folks

dim sandal
ocean siren
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Despite dedicated channels existing, they'd still ask in the wrong chat.

#

If you aren't going to bother reading what I write then I'm not going to bother responding

dim sandal
#

Wow ok

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Its different because there is no dedicated channel for what I was saying. Maybe you havent noticed it but I feel a lot of those off topic art questions would fit right in

#

Like there arent 2 or 3 or more channels for those set of questions, no channels for it and plenty of questions to be asked. Anyway

compact loom
#

can we have a control rig channel???

#

pretty please

sand grail
mental vessel
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I think over #cpp (is the best) had an idea Many, the bot, to provide an automatic answers. E.g. don't use hot reload. I have an idea for another one from #fab : free assets, each first Tuesday of the month. That's also asked regularly about. So, kinda FAQ.

chilly ivy
mental vessel
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Great, might be fun to be connected with Many in a way. Like dropping the reference directly.

#

Curious to see the rest.

chilly ivy
#

I've seen them work well on other developer-centric servers, so I think it will be a hit here.

#

For bits of common wisdom, FAQ commands seem to be more effective than pinned messages in my experience.

mental vessel
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Can see it. I mean it is so rare people to check out pinned. Once you know that what you search for is referenced there, it's fine.

#

Actually, I haven't seen faq commands being implemented, nice you have seen that.

chilly ivy
#

When new members of the community ask questions that lots of people know the answer to, they tend to be turned into an FAQ command so veteran members can use them to reply quickly and consistently.

#

I definitely want to implement this here.

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Planning on the first ones to come in Manny v2.

mental vessel
#

Hmm... I see, so we will be able to narrow down the reply from the bot?

chilly ivy
#

The commands would come from community suggestions and then turned into pre-programmed responses.

mental vessel
#

Nice 👍

slender blade
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<@&213101288538374145>

light shadow
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...yes?

#

*whistles innocently

slender blade
leaden karmaBOT
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:no_entry_sign: ᴺᵒᵗＫＩＮＧＹＯＲＣＨ.#9917 was banned.

rain dagger
#

I think it would be awesome if we had some channels that require push to talk

gritty lotus
#

that's not a thing?

drowsy oxide
#

The VC channels arent PTT because i believe the prevailing opinion at the time of their creation from the community was that "PTT is annoying"

slender blade
#

It is a nuisance to use, but it's also basically a necessity in public voice chat due to the sheer amount of people with horrible mics and copious amounts of background noise

drowsy oxide
#

It has grown significantly in popularity so perhaps it does need to be turned on.

#

(The VC channels I mean, they are more popular now than earlier in their lifetime)

#

It was probably less necessary earlier.

gritty lotus
#

is PTT a community server thing?

drowsy oxide
#

Its not required if thats what your asking?

gritty lotus
#

no I mean as a setting you can enforce

#

because it isn't normally

#

none of the servers I'm admin of have that option

slender blade
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@gritty lotus afaik all servers have it, it's this perm:

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gritty lotus
#

aha, it's hidden in permissions, not in overview - if you have it synced with another channel it's hidden of course

warm geyser
#

PTT is annoying, but it is more annoying to be in VC and someone's mic is picking up every noise that could possibly happen in their area.

#

Last 2 times I was in VC, I left specifically because people's mics were overbearing and they weren't talking.

loud gulch
#

You can lower and mute others in VC though

dry linden
chilly ivy
#

That's right. Krisp is built in to Discord.

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User Settings → Voice & Video → Advanced

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There are valid arguments on both sides of this discussion. But until it's clear the majority of our community is willing to put up with forced PTT, I'd rather leave it as is.

#

Discord gives users a lot of control over their voice chat experience, and I generally prefer not to interfere with that.

#

You can set personal volumes and mutes for specific users in a way that doesn't affect others.

#

Interesting. That sounds like a compromise that is worth considering.

#

Not going to take action just yet (I think it's too early), but definitely keeping it in mind.

#

I appreciate the suggestion nonetheless.

#

Two concerns I have: too many voice channels to choose from, and the potential for complaints such as "this guy is annoying, can you boot him to a PTT channel?" When really, I think the solution there is to boot them to AFK if they don't go there automatically.

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Or mute them, etc.

#

Just two gut concerns I have. Still going to consider it.

dry linden
#

Krisp built into discord takes out your background noise, Krisp App on the PC and Mobile takes out your and their background noise. Works with everything

#

unless the suppression icon you have there does work both ways, I don't think it does. For some reason mine gets turned off multiple times in a voice session

mental vessel
#

Same. Because noise.
And it seems ppl use it as replacement of their YouTube/Twitch/Whatever.

finite socket
#

I think it would be awesome if we had channel about open world / world partition / world composition / level streaming etc. There are a lot questions about it and how this systems intersect with others systems

mental vessel
#

Sounds familiar, hmm... 🤔

loud gulch
#

hmm indeed

chilly ivy
loud gulch
#

A lot of people post there, but how many actually about #level-design .. not one in ten did..........😝

deft raft
#

what we really need is #memes, it's been hours since it was last suggested (I'll see myself out)

ocean siren
#

what we really need is #name-and-shame, it's been hours since it was last suggested (I'll see myself out)

gritty lotus
#

I mean, nobody reads the pinned messages either

analog burrow
#

What we really need is #udk channel, it's been years since it was lastly suggested.

thorny stag
#

Any chance we can get a feedback channel for projects? like someone posts it and we can critique it?

deft raft
#

#work-in-progress ?

thorny stag
#

Oh that sounds like to me advertisement and not specific to asking for feedback, going by other indie groups, I've given feedback and got blasted on games that are 'released' because they never asked for it, that's all.

thorny stag
gritty lotus
#

I suspect when UE5 becomes more prevalent, that would happen

deft raft
#

I think UE5 will just be "merged" into the Server

#

Don't think we need to make even more channels

#

And the #work-in-progress is for feedback. No reason to make yet another one

thorny stag
#

I think it would eliminate the tons of people asking for UE5 stuff there, and being told off, when it says unreal engine, nothing specific, I think #work-in-progress should have & feedback at the end, just for clarity.

warm geyser
#

Honestly doesn't matter what you name the channel, there are always going to be people who don't know which channel they're in. For example, if they did, they'd see #ue5-general right above #ue4-general

mental vessel
urban salmon
#

I remember seeing the topic come up about a month ago or so, but are there any plans for threads in the near future?

deft raft
#

Iirc, if at all only in very specific cases for very specific channels.

#

Would have loved them if they weren't implemented so shitty

warm geyser
#

'Tis the Discord way though

hidden zephyr
#

Not sure if doable, but maybe it's not a bad idea to have a more private channel where you can ask for a more dedicated help, paid of course.

#

How to implement it, who would be part of that, etc, no idea .

drowsy oxide
#

We already have that. Its called the Job Board.

analog burrow
#

Enabling Discord Threads support for the server makes sense? cool_think Being able to discuss specific stuff in threads and getting them archived for future reference would be good.

slender blade
#

That exact thing was discussed less than ten messages above

analog burrow
#

I'm just coming up with a valid reason for enabling them, instead of just asking. Archive feature is nice in my opinion, they help categorizing useful specific discussions together. For example, people discussing a specific topic about DFAO in #graphics channel may be archived as a thread, so everyone can read that conversation without being lost in the channel. This also keeps the discussion clean from pop-in questions inside the channel.

#

Also since server has lvl 3 boost, they can stay active for longer time, which means we'll be able to use threads with their full potential.

#

The feature may make the moderation of the server harder though, if that's the case, can't say anything about that unfortunately.

gritty lotus
#

I'm not sure a one week archive is particularly useful as an actual archive - but also threads are pretty shite. Most people don't even realise they are there, preventing people from actually joining discourse :/

deft raft
#

Discord is a chat, not an archive for knowledge. If you want to create that, you should add your knowledge to a wiki or similar.
Threads are just not nicely implemented. They clutter the channel list if you are part of them and if you can search for a thread then you can search for the discussion itself anyway.
If threads would have a Slack-like implementation I would be all for it.
But mainly only to make sure that questions aren't spammed away. I would personally enforce questions to be answered and discussed in threads only then, but well

#

E.g. here, we could have an everlasting thread that discusses this topic (as an example), instead of spamming other discussions away.
That way people that want to help can easier spot ongoing discussions and probably see 10+ questions at once.

#

But not for the sake of archiving them

#

I would want this feature to be helpful in terms of organization

#

Usually, in the Slack Servers I was in, specifically The Ascent's, we enforced Threads.
You post a question into the main channel and the answers and discussions went into the thread. Kept things soooo clean

ocean siren
#

The cluttering aside, I don't see what stops the same benefits being possible. You can leave threads your aren't interested in.

But it's a moderation nightmare, I imagine, and probably isn't supported with Manny yet. So while I think the feature works at a smaller scale, it probably doesn't work well on servers like this

#

As it stands you have replies, and that can clarify "threads" of conversation. They need bidirectional navigation and jump to top IMO. But otherwise they're serviceable

ocean siren
#

one might argue that would even be more "discord" versus a whole pane for thread navigation and them all being separated from the main convo

slender blade
#

Just re-noting the topic of having some form of public reason when users are warned

drowsy oxide
#

You mean when we Strike them?

#

Users who receive a strike get a DM with the reason.

#

And we do already show that the user received a Strike publically.

#

I think the Moderation team agreed this was enough.

#

Others who see a Strike message of another User should take that as enough of a warning to not break the #rules themselves i would imagine.

mental vessel
#

Asserting dominance.

drowsy oxide
#

Thats on them i guess. They can always contact a Moderator if they are unsure as to what happened and/or why.

slender blade
#

We've previously had this discussion, I fundamentally disagree. Nevertheless, I was solely bringing this up again because the conclusion of the previous discussion was "We'll talk about it internally", and no final thoughts were ever shared here

#

I also think this

I know you may want to catch up on the latest drama but thats not what this server is about
Is a bold and somewhat offensive assumption to be making, as that is not why I would like for there to be some measure of clarification on what people have done

slender blade
#

All good, I just read it in a way that pushed some buttons for me. No hard feelings

rain dagger
#

I think it would be awesome if we had some channels with forced Push to Talk.

uneven jetty
#

Agreed

hidden zephyr
#

I've been insta IP banned yesterday for something that I believe was mostly a misunderstanding.

Later the server owner reached out to me and we talked it out, resulting in me getting a strike instead of a permanent good bye.

I believe that the harshest punishments should be carefully considered, and mostly used for obvious transgressors, like spammers, people with a history of constant harassment, and the likes.

For everything else a strike or temporarily revoking posting privileges should be enough.

In any case, I talked about this with pfist and Luos, but wanted to post it here for everyone to share their opinion.

drowsy oxide
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@hidden zephyr Discussing Moderation actions is against our #rules. If you have an issue, discuss it privately with a Moderator. As you stated you already have, it seems to me there maybe a mix up here.

#

If you are unhappy with a Moderators decision you are more than welcome to discuss that with another Moderator.

hidden zephyr
#

I was under the impression server feedback would include moderation rules

#

after all it affects the users here

drowsy oxide
#

You are welcome to provide feedback on our #rules

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But not on actions taken by a Moderator.

hidden zephyr
#

oh OK, Ill do that then

#

right, but my feedback wasn't about my particular case though

#

Im just using it as an example

#

my incident is solved

drowsy oxide
#

Sure, but in your specific instance you clearly see that discussing it privately with the Moderation team resulted in your ban being revoked.

#

Which tells you that our process for which i just outlined is appropriate and does work.

#

We review on a case by case basis.

hidden zephyr
#

I honestly think there should be a place where we can discuss these kind of things

drowsy oxide
#

Hence why we do not discuss them publically.

hidden zephyr
#

if its not here not sure where

drowsy oxide
#

If your point is that the #rules need to change in order to avoid a situation such as yours happening again, then discuss that. There is no reason to break our #rules on discussing Moderator actions in order to get to a consensus on changes to the #rules.

hidden zephyr
drowsy oxide
#

No its not... No where did you mention you felt a change to the #rules was needed...

deft raft
#

I guess, it comes down to the fact that the ban was considered carefully and was the result of a misunderstanding which got cleared up.

hidden zephyr
deft raft
#

If I understand you correctly then your point is this part:

I believe that the harshest punishments should be carefully considered, and mostly used for obvious transgressors, like spammers, people with a history of constant harassment, and the likes.

#

Which we already try, but misunderstandings can happen. So not sure where to go with this.

#

You make it sound as if we would just hand out bans all the time, which is not true.

drowsy oxide
#

Ignoring all the Nitro Scammers, bans are very rare here.

hidden zephyr
#

I dont have enough time on this server to know how quickly people are to ban users here. So I can only extrapolate from my experience

deft raft
#

Yeah, that's not helpful though

hidden zephyr
#

Its feedback, of some kind.

deft raft
#

We have over 60k users. We ban a few, really rarely. Most of them are CS GO or Nitro scammers. From all of those bans, one (yours) was now a misunderstanding.

#

extrapolating from this would still be a tiny amount, so yeah, we will try to be even more careful, but that's kinda it.

chilly ivy
#

If I understand correctly, Maru is requesting that instant bans be more carefully considered. His was a case of overreach on our part, so I think that's fair feedback.

deft raft
#

Yop

chilly ivy
#

@hidden zephyr Just so it's clear: our "don't discuss mod decisions in public channels" policy is primarily in place to prevent people from disrupting chat by arguing with us about our decisions. I recognize you're not doing that here, but I wanted to make sure you understood where DevilsD was coming from.

hidden zephyr
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Yeah, no problem.

rain dagger
#

@obtuse raft might be under 14

obtuse raft
#

I'm not.

chilly ivy
molten notch
#

?

drowsy oxide
#

In some countries it is against Discord policy for Users under the age of 14 to participate in the platform.

#

#server-feedback Is not for reporting potentially problematic members of the community to the Moderation team.

#

Hence the direction to contact a Moderator in private.

obtuse raft
drowsy oxide
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I was not accusing you of being under any age.

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Simply pointing out Discord policy.

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@obtuse raft You are not in trouble, do not misunderstand 🙂

half wyvern
#

Here is a question, on another discord, there was the ability to join a particular channel, which would then create a new channel for you. Would there be able way to include that functionality along with giving you the ability for limited mod ability in your own channel?

drowsy oxide
#

What would be the purpose of this?

half wyvern
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To allow for some slightly more controlled channels (i.e. wanting to keep conversation Unreal related, or people on push to talk) as well as self-moderation

drowsy oxide
#

Why would you need self moderation? The Moderators exist for a reason.

half wyvern
#

For example, I love this community for the sake of meeting new Unreal developers and getting perspectives (and even helping to mentor others), but occasionally some conspiracy types sneak in and I would have to migrate to other channels, or leave for a different server entirely

simple crown
#

^ same

drowsy oxide
#

If someone is being offtopic, ping a Moderator...

#

We are here to help.

chilly ivy
#

I don't understand how your request relates to the occasional bad actor. And also, what D said. We're here to help.

half wyvern
#

so what about push to talk? or other issues like that?

drowsy oxide
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If someone is creating excessive noise in VC channels, ping a Moderator and we can have a word with them.

simple crown
drowsy oxide
#

So why wasnt a Moderator contacted?

simple crown
#

This was yesterday I think

half wyvern
#

how do we prove it? and what happens if they never talk about it after the event?

#

no action is taken unless a mod is actively there

#

I can't record 24/7

drowsy oxide
#

Thats fine, but that doesnt mean you dont contact us.

rain dagger
#

I agree with Nord, just within the past 2 days there have been 4 separate occasions of things happening.

drowsy oxide
#

We cant read the chat channels 24/7

simple crown
#

Sounds like we need a limited mod status

drowsy oxide
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No it doesnt.

#

It sounds like you need to ping Moderators more.

#

When issues arise.

half wyvern
#

What type of ratio should we expect for pings / action?

chilly ivy
#

There's no predefined ratio. We handle reports on a case by case basis. We regularly respond to pings within seconds.

#

If I understand correctly: the issue here is that sometimes people derail conversations in voice chat.

#

We have rules for this:

  1. Voice chat is not a free-for-all. All of the above rules still apply. Additionally: Try to avoid dominating the conversation. When new people join, give them an opportunity to introduce themselves. If you need one-on-one support, consider moving to a private chat.
queen latch
#

More so political stuff, but yes

half wyvern
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Sure, will ping. Hopefully some of the bad actors get actioned against.

chilly ivy
queen latch
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ok

half wyvern
#

But off topic conversations are bad

drowsy oxide
#

Which is against the rules

chilly ivy
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That would be breaking a rule, so I refer you again to my previous statement.

drowsy oxide
#

So contact a Moderator

half wyvern
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Maybe take a pass at the rules and ensure that there is as little gray area there as possible, because I feel like you are setting yourself up for failure by creating case-by-case gray areas

#

also maybe recruit some more VC mods

chilly ivy
half wyvern
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If one mod enforces problem A, and another mod allows problem A, you've just created an organization dysfunction

rain dagger
#

I'd have to agree, while political conversations are not against the rules, on multiple occasions right wing people break into conversation with things that are offensive.

chilly ivy
half wyvern
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That's pretty simple, as it came up little just above (we don't ban political conversation versus no off topic conversation)

drowsy oxide
#

We do take these things seriously.

half wyvern
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Hey, all I can do is give advice. Its your server.

#

But again, more VC mods might help

drowsy oxide
#

Yes, but you can also contact Moderators for help.

half wyvern
#

passive presence would go a long way

chilly ivy
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We cannot watch every channel 24/7. That's not what moderators do.

half wyvern
#

VC, just VC, which is primarily 1 to 3 channels.

drowsy oxide
#

As Nick mentioned earlier, we react to pings within seconds, it takes you seconds to type @ Moderators

chilly ivy
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We have caught multiple bad actors in voice chat before thanks to pings from users. It really does help, and we do take them seriously.

half wyvern
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But we gave a few ideas for potential improvement, please consider them as we do like to be here. That's all.

simple crown
#

I am going to be honest - The reason I do not really want to come here anymore is that it feels un-moderated. Especially in the Voice chats. When I do report via DM or otherwise. I just get lip service and no action. It sucks and it makes me feel unsafe. It is also the reason I do not ping a mod anymore. Because when a mod comes online to deal with a problem it is too late. I do not want to record people because of GDPR and being fined. I cannot afford that.

#

My 2 cents

chilly ivy
drowsy oxide
#

It is unrealistic to have VC be Moderated 24/7

chilly ivy
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I'd love to hear why you feel this server feels unmoderated. You can bring it up here, or if you want to discuss privately my DMs are always open.

half wyvern
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he... he... listed it above

#

And while it may be unrealistic, it would be nice to have some presence

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which leads to my previous point of recruiting some more VC specific mods

simple crown
rain dagger
#

If we need to be specific, personally I've ran into anti-trans talk and right wing extreme talk the past couple of instances.

simple crown
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^ Ran into this as well

#

I am just so demotivated to deal with it.

chilly ivy
queen latch
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Mippi and Will, unfortunately, have been pretty busy with work

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Will due to the move and what not, Mippi has a bunch of incoming

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And Luos has been taking a break

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Not to mention only one of them is on EU time

chilly ivy
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Yeah that's fair.

simple crown
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If you need mods. I am more than willing to volunteer if needs be. I put my money where my mouth is so to speak

half wyvern
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Again, we aren't trying to say the mods are bad or aren't doing their job, we just want to see more (particularly in VC). I second Square

drowsy oxide
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We cant "do our job" if you dont ping us dude.

rain dagger
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Same here

drowsy oxide
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We rarely get pings from VC channels.

half wyvern
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Will do, and will document. We'll give you a chance to succeed

rain dagger
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<@&213101288538374145> @thorn river is trolling us

gritty lotus
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voice will always be a wild-west unfortunately - everything that happens in there would be more or less 'live' and there's no record of anything after-the-fact. I don't think it's reasonable to expect a moderator to be actively listening to each of the (potentially six) active voice channels 24/7

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I seem to recall inability to moderate voice was one of the stronger reasons why there was a reluctance to implement them in the first place

mental vessel
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I think these VC are chaotic, so even if mods drop from time to time there, ultimately actions can be taken only on signal basis. Moderating communication, even in big corporate environments is hard task and many pitfalls are awaiting. Considering this is also a volunteer based work, I understand the difficulties.

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Personally, I think VC should be peer-to-peer and only few selected members should be able to stream on the server to wide audience. At the end, if it can't be moderated it better be removed so it does not turn into an infection.

drowsy oxide
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I had my reservations about VC before we implemented them. But on the whole I would say they have been rather well received and for the most part people have respected their purpose and conducted themselves well.

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While there have been a few outlying incidents I do hope that they continue to be useful and people follow the #rules while using them.

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This includes helping us to help the community by contacting a Moderator should an issue come up.

glossy gulch
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and dont be afraid to dm me or another moderator in private if you feel the need to do so.

deft raft
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The problem of not being able to properly moderate them was indeed one of the biggest concerns. People like using them and stream in them, which is fine.
But I have no idea how to properly mod them. I don't have the time to sit in them, even less so since I don't care about them at all.
We can't record people and we can't make sure that someone with mod rights is constantly in them.

At that point it might only be possible to self-moderate what YOU as a user, don't want to deal with in VCs.
Means, block and mute people that annoy you. If everyone mutes the troll, then the problem goes away by itself (for example).

#

The only other way is some sort of mini mod or trusted member that, if they report someone, should be taken without further recording as a proof.
But man, that also sounds like a pita.

#

Wouldn't it be nice if peeps could just freaking behave?

rain dagger
#

Out of curiosity, what is the process for becoming a moderator? Is it open for people to apply?

drowsy oxide
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We usually run an open application when we feel that we need more Moderators to help around the server.

rain dagger
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Are applications open at the moment?

chilly ivy
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No.

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We will notify the community when we run an open application for moderators.

turbid tiger
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@open radish keeps spamming messages about his server <@&213101288538374145>

sand grail
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Can you dm me what he has been posting?

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@turbid tiger forgot the ping

woven sentinel
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@vernal spoke

chilly ivy
turbid lily
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Feels like moderation in #fab is too aggressive - when ppl post a release post by mistake there (which is very easy to do when you're not familiar with the server), there should be a warning before a strike

drowsy oxide
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Strikes are essentially warnings, thats why you get 3.

turbid lily
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Ye issue is that you lose all context

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Unless they get a DM with the reason?

drowsy oxide
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How so? Strikes send a personal DM to the user who received it.

turbid lily
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Ahhhhhh

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Well ignore me then 😛

drowsy oxide
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🙂

turbid lily
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Might be nice to put the message in the public chat as well?

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so like instead of a mysterious XXX was muted, XXX was muted: Spam

drowsy oxide
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We had this discussion earlier this week. We dont feel that its appropriate to publically shame someone in that way. We feel that showing someone received a Strike should be enough to give others a second glance at what they want to post.

turbid lily
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makes sense

drowsy oxide
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If you read and follow the #rules then you should be fine. And yes, I appreciate that people make mistakes, which is why Strikes also expire.

turbid lily
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Yeah I ain't gonna pretend I read rules on all servers I'm in 😄

drowsy oxide
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We refactored the #rules to be less lengthy in the hopes that it would encourage people to read them when they join.

turbid lily
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ooooh indeed

#

they're all fancy now

#

That's awesome!

drowsy oxide
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We still maintain that ignorance of the #rules is not an excuse however.

turbid lily
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For sure

drowsy oxide
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Strikes can always be appealed, we do from time to time revoke them.

turbid lily
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That all sound very sane to me hehehehe

drowsy oxide
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Glad to hear it 🙂

molten notch
drowsy oxide
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👍

ruby knot
drowsy oxide
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Yep thats true and if the user wants to know they can always ask a Mod as we log everything.

#

Its as clear as it needs to be. The user broke the #rules in some way. Use that as an indicator that you should follow the #rules lest you be given a Strike as well?

#

Users can always ask a Mod for clarification on the #rules or something they may want to post.

#

We are here to help.

#

Just to be clear as well. Moderators can apply a Strike to someone in any channel, so given that, where it appears may have zero context to the Strike reason itself.

#

Part of why we decided not to show publically what the Strike reason was is to avoid potentially further derailing the channel with unnecessary pushback or questioning on the Strike reason within that channel (which is also against the #rules, for that exact reason and why we ask that it be brought to a Moderator in a DM where it can be discussed with the user involved)

slender blade
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For what it's worth, that's also a policy I disagree with, because while I understand the intent, I think it smothers feedback on moderation by increasing the barrier to actually providing your thoughts and keeping other people who might share your thoughts out of the discussion

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But I've reconciled myself with that; the moderation style of this server isn't the same as how I handle my own large communities, and that's fine, to each their own

drowsy oxide
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To clarify. We have no problem with people discussing Moderation in general and our practices here in this channel. Im specifically saying we dont allow it on a case by case basis. As usually it just turns into nothing but arguments.

slender blade
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I personally think that if fellow users disagree with a specific action being taken, there's something to be said for listening to that chorus of users, rather than telling them they can't voice their opinions on said instance unless they do so in private where it won't ever be a constructive and equal conversation

deft raft
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I don't quite understand why "Bystanders" need to know why we striked.

slender blade
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I've rambled about it before, put it down to a difference in life philosophy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

deft raft
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Shouldn't it be enough if we, once, state that we don't want to provide the details to anyone but the user who violated the rules?

#

If it's just about life philosophy then that's really no argument, is it

slender blade
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No, my point is

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We've talked about this before

deft raft
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The only slight argument I now read was that users could discuss our actions taken and give their own thoughts to it

slender blade
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And the result is always "Well, we disagree"

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So repeating the discussion isn't very valuable

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Hence why I'm summarizing it as "different philosophies"

deft raft
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Yeah then let's leave it at that

slender blade
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But, of course, it's related due to there not being much ability to start a debate on how situations are handled if you have no way of knowing what actually happened

#

Basically the tldr of this entire topic from my point of view comes down to this:
Moderation on this server is run as a completely opaque process where users on the server have no way of knowing what happened and why such things happen, and as such they can't provide any meaningful feedback on the system. I vastly prefer transparent systems where users can see, follow and comment on basically any component of the process

deft raft
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Yeah that's completely the opposite of what I would want to happen

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I don't think anyone who isn't part of the problem should need to know about it.

#

I don't want bystanders to cause even more drama

slender blade
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I believe the community should be community-owned and as such should be able to easily comment on any part of its operations

deft raft
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If people can't discuss it cause they don't know what happened, then great, it#s working

slender blade
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Slackers as a whole is largely operated on a pretty vastly different premise, and is run incredibly top-down, which I think goes against the grain of being a true community

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(Which is a large part of why I've turned down offers to join the moderation team)

deft raft
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That's all fine. You don't have to agree with it or join the mod team.
At some point some of the decisions we make and how we handle things should just be accepted.
There are 60k members or so on this servers. There will always be unhappy people.

#

If we open this up, the next one comes in and says "can we not"

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Tada

slender blade
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I don't think anyone will ever really complain about more transparent server operations, frankly

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Other than potentially the moderation team, because it's more work; can't just chug along according to the default mode

deft raft
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I'm specifically talking about discussing why someone got striked

#

Someone breaks a rule, gets striked. I don't need person xyz to then come in and be like "Hey i have time on my hands, let's open this up to even more drama."

slender blade
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I think that can easily be resolved by restricting it to constructive conversation

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Someone comes in and goes "well that's dumb fuck off", warn them as well

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Someone comes in "I don't believe that's a warranted warning because this channel is X/Y so if that's against the policy the description needs to be changed" (just as an example), that's entirely valid imo, but the way Slackers is run stifles that sort of feedback

deft raft
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Sure, but that's totally possible for everyone who was witnessing the issue

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I'm mostly against the users that are just searching for drama

drowsy oxide
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But you have basically turned 1 issue into the potential for multiple issues

slender blade
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Running a 20k member server with the policies I'm describing, I don't personally experience the issues. It's quite straight-forward to deal with the people looking for drama

drowsy oxide
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Sure and thats yours to decide on. We have gone a different route and it seems to be working fine.

slender blade
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You say that, but the server does bleed regulars (not solely attributing that issue to what we're discussing here, but I definitely think it's a factor)

drowsy oxide
slender blade
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It isn't about the individual strikes, it's about the mode of server operation

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The server is run top-down and highly opaquely

deft raft
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My point is however that others don't need to know. There is no reason for them to know.

slender blade
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The feeling of actually making a difference to the community is near-zero, which makes it very frustrating to be a regular who tries to help change this place for the better

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(Which I suspect all of the regulars do want)

deft raft
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The only reason I can read here is that people might think it's "unfair and irrational", but they shouldn't wonder about this to begin with.

slender blade
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Egh, wellp, I'm done with this discussion. It's a circular premise. We say "Transparency is good", you say "You shouldn't think about the things you want us to be transparent about". Pretty much illustrates the entire problem, in my opinion, but clearly that isn't seen as a problem

deft raft
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Different opinions. Totally normal. We want to run the server like this. We don't want to share strike reasons. The arguments that were presented aren't convincing.
That's all there is

#

Of course we run in circles then

#

Matt already explained why we decided to add the message

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At least I think he did

drowsy oxide
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I did

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Well part of it

gritty lotus
deft raft
gritty lotus
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police don't punish people, they are not part of the justice system

deft raft
#

Generally speaking, this here isn't a huge justice system. We have rules. If someone got striked they violated them.

gritty lotus
#

that's a really poor comparison

deft raft
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Yeah well it's also not really something to compare

gritty lotus
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if you want to see the results of any conviction in your jurisdiction, it will however be available to the public

#

because without it, you do not have a justice system

deft raft
#

That's fine, then we don't have a justice system.

#

Pretty sure you can't see why someone is banned on AnswerHUB and UE4 Forum either

#

Or if they have a strike

#

Twitch for example doesn't tell you why they banned their members

#

There are probably tons of communities and systems that won't tell you why their members were banned

gritty lotus
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I'm not sure how it is in the current forum software (because it's terrible) - but on the old forums there used to be a line of text where a moderator would leave a reason for why an infraction was given

deft raft
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That reason was visible to other users? Cause from my vBulletin times I can't recall that being visible

gritty lotus
#

it was always visible

drowsy oxide
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I dont ever recall seeing any mod actions visible on the old forums.

#

You sure it wasnt because you were a Mod?

#

And could see it yourself?

deft raft
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Either way, not all communities show why their users got infracted/banned.
And that's what we choose to do. We could fully remove the chat message, but I think that was mostly to inform that a user is muted now caused by the strike, so they don't randomly stop answering. Something something. Nick can probably answer that

drowsy oxide
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Just to be clear. We see every Mod action here internally. Infact we comment on them frequently as well

deft raft
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Yeah let's not compare it like this then, as ambershee pointed out it's a bad comparison.

#

Specifically cause whatever you believe they were at the police for is non of your business basically

#

Even if you saw them before

hidden zephyr
hidden zephyr
gritty lotus
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they have a bot that they do their moderation through, so they can see what they are doing

warm geyser
#

No dog in the race - but what if you link the rule that was broken? Would that be an acceptable compromise? (btw, I help mod the Godot Discord)

#

In our server, we do public warning/bans. I don't know how Manny is set up, but we have a command "ban/warn" and type the message out.

#

And what happens is what Ced talks about - sometimes bystanders do want to get involved, but it really isn't too often.

ocean siren
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A better compromise would be an itemization of rules broken in a period. Maybe it can be slightly edited down to show particularly vague reasons why an action was taken. It's a bit detached from the actual incident/people involved, and shows that the specific rule is being enforced. But it takes significant extra effort from the mod team compared to making the reason immediately public at the time action was taken

I largely don't see the point. People should just assume the rules are enforced but do not specifically guide you in terms of how much of fool you can act before consequences occur.

deft raft
#

I mean, I can live with just being a Rule #3 post

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Or so

#

But I guess even that does what I wouldn't want to deal with

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We shall see. We will discuss

bold junco
#

can you add commands to the bot? would be nice if it could print this out:
```cpp
// code goes here
```

chilly ivy
molten notch
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a game ideas channel would be pretty cool

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where people can interact with manny

#

to post a game idea

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for anyone to use or base off of

#

as kinda a big repo of game ideas lol

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😂

leaden karmaBOT
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@primal ocean, :8ball: Most likely.

tough dirge
#

!8ball are you lying?

leaden karmaBOT
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@tough dirge, :8ball: Cannot predict now.

molten notch
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See manny gets it

molten notch
brittle dock
#

Why can't I stream in one of the channels?

chilly ivy
brittle dock
dry linden
#

the virtual production discord link is expired in the pinned messages, could we have a new one? cheers

wise terrace
#

Can we talk about turning off external emotes? Seeing alt-right pepe stuff appear here is pretty disappointing

drowsy oxide
marble tusk
#

God knows how many people hate me because of anime profile picture and using anime external emotes.

#

Also, in the event of crosspost that happened in #graphics and #umg:
Maybe it would be nice if the rules have a brief explanation on why crossposting without prior redirect from someone is not tolerated.

In that case, I got confused when I encounter one question that seems unanswered, just to find out that the same question already resolved on the other channel.

drowsy oxide
#

The Cross Posting thing isnt just about Questions though.

#

Its kinda all together with the whole "No Spam" stuff.

#

If I post "Hello" in all the channels, its not a question, but its still spam as its cross post and repeated message.

#

The #rules are intentionally left broad reaching so that they are better condensed and thus have a greater chance for people to read them as they aren't as massive a wall of text as they could be.

#

There are pros and cons to this approach, one of them being the issue you just mentioned.

#

Its difficult to relay full intention in such a brief context.

ocean siren
ocean siren
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but only your own

hidden zephyr
marble tusk
drowsy oxide
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I believe his question came about from a message in #cpp where another user posted the green frog with a sad face to express their disappointment in some result of their code or an answer to a question that was not what he wanted to hear.

#

It had nothing to do with any political agenda

#

To be clear, I think its very selfish to want to ban all external emojis for everyone because of how you choose to interpret some of them. People need to take personal responsibility for how they engage with people and the content they see in online platforms. Use the block and/or mute features as a first point of call for avoiding content/people you disagree with.

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Removing everything is not always the answer.

wise terrace
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I thought it was pretty well-understood that pepe==nazi stuff. I guess it's only in certain circles. I withdraw my request.

gritty lotus
#

It's not just you; it's a pretty global association. Those memes are pretty closely associated with the far right and have been for quite some time. I don't like seeing them either, and will judge people who use them accordingly - but there are limits to what server administration can realistically police.

marble tusk
gritty lotus
#

it's not American politics, it's global. Pepe was appropriated as a hate symbol by neo-nazis about a decade ago, and it makes a lot of people uncomfortable

marble tusk
#

I guess the "global" only extends to some major countries.

But I can only agree or shot myself in the foot in this case, so...

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I mean, there was a blip in time where Mio Honda memes were misconstrued as political, so that's that.

molten notch
chilly ivy
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Most people who use Pepe emotes are not doing so in a bigoted fashion. The hateful people who have co-opted it over the years are in the minority. The original creator of Pepe didn't capitulate to hate — he teamed up with ADL in 2016 on a campaign to reclaim it — so I don't see why we should.

drowsy oxide
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Context is important.

chilly ivy
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Indeed. If someone uses Pepe emotes, examine the context surrounding it. Use common sense and exercise your critical faculties.

wise rose
marble tusk
#

And again, there was a time Mio Honda memes misconstrued as political because bad actors outside the Idolmaster fanbase used it to create political memes.

#

I think that in general, literally anything, even the most mundane crap, can be political and spew hatred in certain perspective and context.

#

I wasn't even aware that there was the time Pepe was being a far right crap, I only know the emojis in context of harmless Twitch chat banters.

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But I'm in the limits of shooting my own head here, so I'll stop here.

wise rose
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I don't think having external emotes is really necessary for a community that is mostly a technical support network.

marble tusk
chilly ivy
molten notch
#

democracy is good😄

wise rose
chilly ivy
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I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that disabling external emoji will make this a more welcoming community.

ruby knot
#

I don't see how disabling external emoji makes any sense

marble tusk
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I mean, people like me, Snowie, and few others have bring in some external anime emojis into this server, and used them in good faith. Even though I know some people don't like anime and some would find the genre offensive for whatever reason.

drowsy oxide
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I would argue that we would see more complaints that they are disabled than we would get for individual emojis not being liked by someone.

wise rose
drowsy oxide
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The server has 62k+ members, 1 complaint is hardly a representation of the "community"

wise rose
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It doesn't have to be a representation to be 'some evidence', though I admit that's being pedantic.

marble tusk
drowsy oxide
#

Discord provides tools to people for controlling the type of content and individuals they see and hear from. Blocking and or muting (for VC) should be the first thing someone uses when they dont want to engage with something/someone in an online platform.

#

I think removing something for the entire server is a kneejerk reaction in this instance.

wise rose
wise rose
chilly ivy
drowsy oxide
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I must have missed that.

gritty lotus
#

I'm not necessarily advocating that certain Discord features be removed - but I don't think it's unreasonable to talk to users about the public perception of what they post in this server

marble tusk
gritty lotus
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there will be people coming from a position of ignorance - but I would also like to stress that being ignorant doesn't stop the effects of said ignorance

hidden zephyr
drowsy oxide
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You must be able to sympathize with our position here. We cant always please everyone. If we do something to please one group of people its going to upset another group. From my point of view, i see there being more pushback from their removal as a whole than from what we might see coming from the group that finds they should be removed.

hidden zephyr
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Trying really hard to wrap my head around that

marble tusk
gritty lotus
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and that's not an exagerration

drowsy oxide
#

Given that Discord has features to help control what content you see, it seems to me that it would be ideal that those people who find them distasteful use those features to their advantage instead of advocating for the entire removal of it from the server.

wise rose
# hidden zephyr Trying really hard to wrap my head around that

It's a symbol that is commonly used by nazis and the alt-right. In a similar way to having people posting swastikas, people targeted by the violence done by those groups naturally feel uncomfortable by their symbols being used in a technical support forum.

wise rose
drowsy oxide
wise rose
drowsy oxide
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You attributed the meaning you wanted to it.

wise rose
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No, it's a commonly attributed meaning based on association for many years.

drowsy oxide
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The user who posted it with intention of a completely different meaning.

gritty lotus
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context is important when discussing how to deal with it, but it doesn't change the fact that a symbol has been used that widely appears in hate symbol databases

chilly ivy
gritty lotus
#

it fucking is

wise rose
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It really is.

gritty lotus
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it's right up there with clan hoods etc

wise rose
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(which honestly sucks, because I was very fond of pepe before he was coopted)

hidden zephyr
marble tusk
#

And then people send hate on me for using anime profile picture, and they're offended by anything anime.

drowsy oxide
#

I think we are losing sight of the issue here.

#

Its not so much about that specific emoji, its about whether or not we disable external emojis entirely.

#

Since i dont think we can ban individual emojis.

chilly ivy
#

Fair, but the complaint was specifically about someone being uncomfortable because they saw a Pepe emoji.

drowsy oxide
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Yes but the request was to remove all external emojis.

chilly ivy
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So while it's not the larger issue, it is the motivation behind this complaint.

drowsy oxide
#

The pepe emoji was just the instigator of that request

gritty lotus
#

external emojis aren't the problem

#

anyone can post images, words etc

#

it's content, and context, and the actions you might want to take versus certain types of content appearing in the server

chilly ivy
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Then there's nothing else to discuss here. The request was to disable external emojis, and we rejected it.

#

It's a global toggle for all external emojis, and I don't think disabling them is a net benefit.

gritty lotus
#

in the cases of far right symbols like Pepe, I don't think it's unreasonable for admin/moderation staff to step in and quickly talk to the people in question about the associations of those images

drowsy oxide
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Im not going to do that, im not an encyclopedia of bad symbols man.

#

I can only address the things I know about.

#

And it also comes down to personal biases as well.

gritty lotus
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it's your role as a moderator - and when people raise complaints about them, I invite you to educate yourself about why those complaints are being made

drowsy oxide
#

When people do make a complaint for sure. But you were advocating for us to always be vigilant and always step in for every symbol.

gritty lotus
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I absolutely was not

drowsy oxide
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Unless that was not your intention

marble tusk
#

Assume good faith until it proven bad faith in situ.

gritty lotus
#

pretty much

chilly ivy
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That is in our #1 rule.

drowsy oxide
#

Context is super important, symbols can have many meanings. The symbol in question was not used in bad faith.

#

The user who posted it probably has no clue this conversation is happening.

#

HIs intentions were innocent. He cant control someone elses reaction, especially if he doesnt know all meanings of a symbol.

hidden zephyr
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The user who posted it is getting traumatized probably

plucky hawk
#

I think a #video-games or similar channel would be a great fit under Social category

#

Video games are being talked a lot of in #lounge but we have specific channels for food and hardware too

#

It would be good to unite inside #video-games too like food channel

marble tusk
mental vessel
# wise rose https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/pepe-frog-dead-creator-kills-meme-abso...

First time I ever see someone claiming that goofy frog being a status of anti-whatever. It is currently widely used across servers as any other emoji. Depending on the context any emoji can be interpreted as disrespectful. Same can be said about words. The sanskrit swastikas became corrupted, however it was used for thousand of years across the world as good wish. Context matter.

mental vessel
#

I suppose it is just a small community who believe in evil Pepe.

#

Frogs are sus

wise rose
# mental vessel I suppose it is just a small community who believe in evil Pepe.

The creator of Pepe had to sue Infowars, the notorious right-wing conspiracy theorists website and publication lead by Alex Jones specifically to get them to stop using Pepe.

You can easily find a dozen articles from major newspapers talking about his legal battles with various far-right and nazi publications trying to get them to stop using it.

Heck - they made a documentary about it:

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Personally, I hope that Pepe can be reclaimed, but for the moment - he functions as a dog whistle.

mental vessel
#

It's a scapegoat for a small community of people. As we said, its widely used as any other emoji.

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I don't think it can be done much about it until it gather some friction. Then I hope someone don't decide to start claiming that the yellow color of the common emojis 😄 is offending the non-yellow people.

wise rose
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'Scapegoat' is an odd way of describing an internationally recognized hate symbol.

People didn't decide to hate Pepe. Nazi's decided to use him on their signs during nazi rallies, and in nazi propaganda. Lots of nazi propaganda. That's how he became associated with nazi's, it's because they used him, a lot, while they were out doing nazi shit.

high iris
mental vessel
wise rose
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This is the new york times:

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Ta da!

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Internationally recognized hate symbol.

mental vessel
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News hunters are not source of proof how many people use it. Just go around ask ppl in the servers what they know about it, but don't say what it is. I bet you will be surprised.

wise rose
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Ah yes, of course. "Ask people on discord" being the gold standard as far as truth seeking goes.

mental vessel
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Well, you are telling everyone around to stop using that. So, that's your public to convince.

wise rose
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Ignore major publications. They don't know what's going on. But ryobg, some random guy on a discord server? He knows the truth.

mental vessel
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I will repeat my truth, ppl around, the ppl who you are telling to stop using emojis does not seem familiar with the idea your propagating.

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Yea, kinda agree. Looks like just baiting.

wise rose
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They've already made their decision. They're not banning it. Which is an active choice to make the people who want to post pepe memes comfortable, while making the people who feel threatened by them feel unsafe.

That is a choice the admin team has made.

I posted here specifically to refute your points, which were that 'only a small community' understand Pepe to be associated with the alt-right.

That's wrong and not true. Multiple international newspapers have covered stories on it, and there's a professional documentary about it.

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You can still think he's harmless, that's up to you, but that doesn't change the fact that other people don't.

mental vessel
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Nothing to add further.

wise rose
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You don't understand how discord embeds work do you?

ocean siren
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<link here>

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Bam

wise rose
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Neat. Thanks for informing me.

ocean siren
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REEE

This is from 4chan innit? Same as Pepe?

high iris
mental vessel
high iris
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Not sure if that x was intentional or a typo, but props.

hidden zephyr
dry linden
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You all are sure giving the mods something nice to wake up to! I think it’s time to accept the decision and move on to watching some Rammstein videos

mental vessel
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They need to earn their zero-based salaries somehow.

high iris
mental vessel
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Well, #cpp was getting over ^

drowsy oxide
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Defs time to move on guys.

knotty crystal
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Make designated support channels

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For support

gritty lotus
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every channel is a support channel

mental vessel
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Maybe they meant support as in Epic support 🤔

marble tusk
# knotty crystal For support

If you mean Epic official support, then no.
See #rules no. 2

Despite Unreal Slackers being promoted in some official capacities, and while we do have some Epic employees hanging around, any questions posted here is not going to be logged in official capacities.

knotty crystal
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Ok

old heron
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😆

chilly ivy
placid knoll
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@chilly ivy Forgot about the monthly free assets? Haven't seen it yet in #unreal-news

tranquil meteor
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Twitch has had a massive leak. Almost all data through their services has been compromised. Advise changing passwords and enabling 2FA.
This has been confirmed by Twitch as well.

chilly ivy
wicked kernel
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<@&213101288538374145>

leaden karmaBOT
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:no_entry_sign: Onyx#9110 was banned.

leaden karmaBOT
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:no_entry_sign: 3enab#5044 was banned.

rain dagger
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Are their any updates on applications for signing up to be a moderator?

drowsy oxide
vale hound
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could we add a channel for all of epics new stuff like quixel, cesium, etc....?

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would awesome

vale hound
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yeah, but there are a lot more things under unreal name now, so i think having a channel that is dedicated to that might be bnenfical