pzwiki_editing

[fossil bluff]

new speedrun category just dropped

[wide dome]

tree branch weight any% is dead now. no one can top that tbh

[worldly remnant]

LOL

[stable pond]

gonna upload it to speedrun.com

[languid kayak]

8 seconds from the creation to edit, top that!

[languid jungle]

not sure if this is the right spot for this but have recently discovered that canned food can be used as bait in traps - did not see a mention of this in the wiki article for trapping https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trapping

[spare zodiac]

https://youtu.be/hou0lU8WMgo

[spare zodiac]

did you test to see if they were also effective? there are some bait types that can be inserted into the traps but do literally nothing except eventually decay

[languid jungle]

i did not - only saw that most of the opened canned food could be used as bait, no further testing

[languid kayak]

I'm running through the images to see which ones are on Wiki and this one cought my eye; anyone have an idea what's that? Was it supposed to be used for anything? Item_Allsorts.png

[obtuse field]

they’re licorice allsorts, a candy popular in England

[tulip kiln]

Licorice Allsorts are fucking lit

[languid kayak]

oh, thanks!

@digital helm do you have a script/way to automatically update the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_List somewhere? I think it originated in your sandbox here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2 and the last update was back in april/may and would be nice to have it updated to the newest 41 build :). Seems it's a parser for the script files.

[cold vigil]

Can someone please remove the protein boost article on nutrition, there's no way it's working in current build. I have been eating fish fillets non stop for 3 days and exercising, no exp boost to strength, and my weight has shot up 77kg to 84kg and going up, still no sign of exp boost

im wrong ridai pointed out my mistake

[stable pond]

you start capped on protein I believe, so perhaps you are remaining maxed?

[cold vigil]

thanks i installed mod to check

[languid kayak]

Leaving a note here in case I forgot, but water bucket on wiki should be changed to metal since it's uniformly metal now; just uploading the icons now 😛

I updated the bucket page, but recipes should be updated too

BTW @restive adder mind updating https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Current_version to 41.78.16 for both stable and unstable? Seems we'll be on that for a while, date seems to be 8 Dec for Unstable and 12 Dec for Stable according to https://steamdb.info/app/108600/depots/

[languid kayak]

Hm, I kinda reversed my changes now (kinda, it's messed but whatever, works), but why can't I find PillsBetablocker.png in my extracted images? I only have PillsBetablocker2.png and game still uses the old image for Beta Blockers

[restive adder]

Done!

Wiki will likely go read only for a short bit tomorrow, need to test an update to the AntiSpam module to fix it breaking mediawiki when in readonly mode

Also, thoughts on a new skin for the wiki? Wnat something that works better on mobile if possible. Was looking at possibly testing https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:DarkCosmos. Can install them and users can pick which one they want, though images are hard-cached so you'll see default theme on them

[languid kayak]

Well, just don't get what English Wikipedia does now, as it makes non-mobile browsing worse 😄 Or at least don't make it mandatory

[languid kayak]

IWBUMS seems to still be off by subversion

[restive adder]

should be fixed now?

[restive adder]

Brief readonly test on the wiki

[cold kettle]

Hi all! Someone working on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding page? I want create full guides for modding (pages + video)

[restive adder]

I’ll look at enabling https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight on the wiki tomorrow unless anyone shouts otherwise

[languid kayak]

I know, and I did that 😛

[steady rain]

Hello everyone,
Ive only recently created an account on the wiki and started to extend some articles (focussing on Muldraugh locations for now, easy enough to do). Was wondering if I should remove the "improve" marking if I deem it reasonably well extended, or should I leave that to more senior contributors? Also, any other hints outside of the beginners guide/ help pages I should know about?

[languid kayak]

I'd say removing the marking as you seem fit is fine, especially as I seen your edits and they seem to be extensive enough (and I like Muldraugh so I'm especially fond of these :D)

[steady rain]

Alright, thanks! Good to hear that I picked a good starting point 🙂

[languid kayak]

Those pages are ones I kinda wanted to touch someday, but always found "more important" things to do :P. I still gotta update the tiles to Louisville ones and add plethora of the ones that were missing from before, but now I started with revamping clothing page and then kinda slowly moved to items; just finished uploading the missing images which are currently grouped on my userpage which fixed some red links while at it, but still got few minor things to do related to that.

[void basin]

Tbh we could really use a more unified location page format.

I might make one for other people to use, as I follow basically they same format for all my pages

[void basin]

what detirmines the autofill in the wiki search bar?

[restive adder]

Not sure, default media wiki behaviour? Might look at enabling full Ajax/auto search via sphinx or elastic search now we have more ram

Damn, sphinxsearch is unmaintained 😦 why is elastic such a resource hog?

[languid kayak]

Looks active enough for unmaintained? https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-SphinxSearch

[restive adder]

Mostly automated dependency updating looks like?

[languid kayak]

yeah 😦 Translations and indeed seems like some dependencies mostly

Though some commits seems more recent than Latest version from 2019-09-17 probably the nature of it still being used and being open source 😄

[restive adder]

Looks like it's broken from 1.35, there's a patch but it's 'needs work'

We maybe could sponsor someone to work on it, but might be lotta money

[restive adder]

Installing & maintaining elasticsearch looks like a pain, an extra two extensions. Need to script something to help make upgrading mediawiki easier I think. Maybe after better mobile support can look at that. More for the todolist 😐

[void basin]

Not sure if this article follows guidelines https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Back_To_The_Nurture_Chiropractic_Services

If I have time I might fix it

[mild acorn]

Are the skill shows on life and living random now? The wiki shows it should only start at 12PM, but this one is on 3:40PM

Maybe want to change wiki page on that

[deft umbra]

should change the names to be "opened can of ...."

[deft umbra]

i found that sometimes there is a random survival show that comes on immediately on the first day if you start at 2am. not sure why but its odd.

[mild acorn]

Maybe theres a system ingame that makes skill shows you missed come back again? I hadn't seen the 12PM one when I was playing, it could have something to do with it

@deft umbra for the survival show that starts at 2AM, was it the fishing one? Did you check if the 5AM was still there or if changed the schedules for the other shows?

[deft umbra]

i dont remember but the 6am cook show aired normal

[obtuse field]

if the player isn’t nearby a power TV tuned to Life and Living at 6 am, noon, or 6pm, the show will not start playing until the player comes near a TV that is tuned to the channel. So if you’re nowhere near a powered TV until 3 pm, the noon show will start playing at 3 pm

[mild acorn]

So that explains everything

Thanks

[languid kayak]

They aren't random, they start first time you are close to turned on tv this https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/ekr5hq/life_and_living_iwbums_41/ should explain a lot, though I agree it could all be added to the page.

(seems TheOddFly explained that before me too, yeah :P)

[languid kayak]

@restive adder any reason why PZwiki lacks of favicon? Maybe it could be set? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFavicon

Also, one thing that always got me wondering is how translations are set up, with /xx but still in the main (English) namespace. Guess it's also what mandates the current implementation of link redirects translating the /xx links to the localized names… Other wikis generally have translations the same way as Wikipedia does, i.e. separate MediaWiki instance that's linked with language interlinks, e.g. on Fandom: https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/pl – any reason pzwiki is set up so the translations are in the same instance of MediaWiki with the English one or is it a legacy implementation? I guess it'd be lots of possible tedious work, though would be beneficial in the end 🤔

[digital helm]

I think that it was a legacy thing. I think our version of Mediawiki was a few versions behind, so it didn't have those features yet? Either that, or I didn't know how it worked. I tried a few things with translations, but it was always a lot more work than what I had time for - then got burnt out and moved on.

[digital helm]

Sorry for the late reply. I used a custom LUA script with Turbo's ItemZed. Then it stopped working after an update. I haven't looked at it since.

I think this is what I used if you want to take a look

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I'll definitely will, as I uploaded all icons now and would be nice to have it up to date 😄

[languid kayak]

I guess it's not the MediaWiki version, as even oldest Wikipedia had separate ones for all languages, though it might be server limitations back then, to not host several instances of MediaWiki but instead put it all in the main namespace

[restive adder]

Favicon, it just needs setting up I think, have put on todo list. Mainly not setting up a wiki farm because mediawiki is a maintenance nightmare as it is, enabling farm mode adds to the complexity significantly. If you really really really want it, I can put it on my todo list but It'll go at the very bottom low priority because making my life significantly harder is a bad idea with my chronic illness 😉

[little kraken]

Forgive me if this is the wrong channel to post this, but I just saw this on the Wiki page. (Also, didn't know there were chainsaws in this game just read it's an upcoming weapon)

[languid kayak]

Nah, probably not wanting to overcomplex things if they work™ just found it interesting, seeing how other wikis does it, then again, compare little pzwiki with behemots such as FANDOM (ex Gamepedia and Wikia) or Wikipedia

[languid kayak]

Chainsaw is a weapon that won't appear in regular gameplay, but you can spawn it with debug. Don't get your hopes up though, its stats are mostly copypasted from crowbar except the looks 😉

(also an admin on a server can spawn it)

[little kraken]

But the animation is the one from a chainsaw, right?

[cold kettle]

We have now some messing up with Lua_Event and Lua_Events. Google show old pages.
I want to write article "Introduction to lua events" and add some tips to event pages. How better to do with old pages? Redirect to new pages?

[dire elm]

god bless

[languid kayak]

btw @digital helm I recently updated the Official News to list all the 6 recent news (5 thursdoids and 1 mod spotlight), but I was wondering, what qualify as an "Announcements"? I was also wondering about the Community News, seeing the last one is from May 2019 (Incorrectly stated as November before; copypasta from the last one), though OTOH I see these were rarely updated in the first place 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_News

[languid kayak]

Hm, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Canned_Corned_Beef https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Canned_Sardines and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Canned_Tuna all correctly list that they can be opened without a can opener, yet they list can opener as an ingredient in recipe?

[acoustic jacinth]

Just noticed that the cake recipe is a bit off on the wiki, it doesnt include Canned milk and corn flour, i was about to be worried that i couldnt bake any cakes. I dont want to edit myself cuz i dont know how and i dont know if its enough to warrant a change, but if any experienced wiki editors think its ok, change it for me plz

[acoustic jacinth]

might want to open the image of the wiki so you can see the whole thing

[rain cave]

Hello

How can i become a pzwiki reporter on mods and if i can

[stable pond]

ah that looks easy enough I'll sort it

done

[acoustic jacinth]

butter alternatives are also not listed

[digital helm]

Community could be removed. But announcements were things like "Build 40 now in public testing" etc.

[stable pond]

what page are you on here, mine looks different to yours (it has corn flower for example)

[acoustic jacinth]

oh i see now

let me get the page up

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cake

[stable pond]

woa wtf is this

[acoustic jacinth]

looks like a old page

i looked up cake, and that is what showed up

[stable pond]

yea its using its own recipes rather than the global ones

I can fix up this one https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cake_Batter, I can see some things wrong with it like you said earlier so it does need fixing

[stable pond]

right so that page needs redirecting to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_Ingredients#Cake_Ingredients instead, so I'll do that

done, now redirects to the more maintained page that uses the global recipe template

[acoustic jacinth]

@stable pond Thanks, I didnt want to mess the page up and i just thought i might be good to let future cake bakers know that you can use canned milk or corn flower

[languid kayak]

So the major builds? Or the small ones too? We do have a build tracker on the side, though I agree it's not much eyecatchy 😄

[finite lintel]

Can u tell me if speed modifier is wrong on page or ingame? Military boots, Military Desert Boots

[steady rain]

Hej everyone. Was skimming a bit through the community pages and saw the the maps and location project is more or less not maintained (one person in it, no leader). Since im mostly doing that stuff for now I figured I might just as well write myself in there, but I wonder if its smart to take on a leading role (already). Any feedback appreciated 🙂

[languid kayak]

I'll check when I'll ne at home, but I'll say Wiki is wrong, if you are comparing it with the the latest game version :P. Kinda wish the in-game properties were numbers not bars for easier checking in-game if the values are applied right (sometimes they are specified twice), I even suggested that a while ago to be, possibly an option to change, in the game options in the smalll suggestion thread 😛

[languid kayak]

oh nvm I'm stupid, the game shows the proper value, so feel free to change it

[stable pond]

what is the issue with the shoe?

the table simply doesn't show the run speed modifier, maybe because its non functional currently? might be worth adding still

ohh the last column I see now

85%

yeah the wiki is wrong there 100%

[stable pond]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Items/Clothing this page?

[finite lintel]

Yeah this page.

[stable pond]

ok all fixed 👍

[finite lintel]

I was about to change it 😛

Anyway if u change something on wiki, do u have to just change value and thats it or u need to write explanation about it ?

[stable pond]

ah I'm so used to people just reporting I just fix them haha

I just write a small note on the change

[finite lintel]

Where did u write that , next to this this word feet ?

On the summary ?

[stable pond]

when you submit the edit theres a box for some text

yea

[finite lintel]

ok then C:

[languid kayak]

yeah, the box is just for the other editors to know what and why you changed, it's written in the page history but not visible when browing 🙂

thanks for fixing, let me know if anything's still wrong as I recently overhauled the page.

I was thinking whether it's worth alphabetizing the items and splitting some of them as well as unifying tye table but idk 🤔

[languid kayak]

I don'd mind, the projects could use some spicing up 👌

[languid kayak]

I went ahead and added you as the project leader @steady rain and updated project pages a little while at it :). The project page could probably use some page listing in it and in order for pages to count in the project hub, they need to be added to this category: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Locations_and_Maps_(Project)

[steady rain]

Thanks a bunch for the starting help. I will start looking into it hopefully tomorrow do get an idea of things around there 🙂

[languid kayak]

no worries 😄 I also set the category page and change its color to something random to hopefully be unique 😉

There are three projects that don't have their page set up and are not listed btw, though one has pages in category

Wilderness Survival
Guns and Explosives
Template Documenters

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal

Maybe I'll take a second look at refreshing things too when I'll have a minute

[languid kayak]

Wanted to remove boilerplate template from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Window but then I realized it has a bit of useful info, so I guess i'd have to do it proper someday 😄

It's currently mix and match of some slightly useful info put into chaoric manner and the old info from the old builds

[finite lintel]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/First_Aid on this page it says 1.4
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bourbon on this site it's correctly 0.7
So i can change it right :P?

[languid kayak]

sure

[steady rain]

Love the purple! Thanks!

[cold vigil]

idk if this is the place to report bug, but the nyala police variant has 480 horsepower

[stable pond]

hover over where it says "400 hp"

but does it ever go higher than 400? or just lower

hmm it could be wrong

[cold vigil]

well other vehicles have listed the entire variations

like the dash bulldriver lists the variants with their respective HP

idk how i can go about editing the wiki, so just gonna leave this here

this is the dash bulldriver page

this is the vehicles page

[stable pond]

that means the rest need doing too

so I suppose the police nyala is 480, whats the rest

[cold vigil]

idk

[stable pond]

you right tho we can change it to 400-480

[cold vigil]

id assume more experienced pz players can just spawn all the vehicles in debug mode

[stable pond]

yea but nobody wants to put the effort in right

just like how you're asking someone else to do it :p

[cold vigil]

i can do it now

if you know how ot edit the iwki

im not experienced with debug either but i spawned an ambulance once for testing

[stable pond]

it'd be awesome if you could contribute, we need more hands hehe

there's a message pinned showing how to make a simple edit

[cold vigil]

to vehicles page? sure

[stable pond]

yea you can change from 400-480 like you said

[cold vigil]

isnt the wiki in the midst of some reshuffling, i saw some comments earlier from the owner

something about read-only for a while (no edits) while he shifts to something something, idk

[stable pond]

it will tell you its read only if you try to edit

don't worry, you can't mess it up this way

I think the wiki is ok at the moment though?

you can't do any wrong if you simply preview your changes before you submit
and if its read-only mode, it simply won't allow you to submit anything I believe, so you just do it later

[cold vigil]

idk how to do the GIFs of the changing vehicle variants like the Dash Bulldriver page, but i updated the Vehicles page and the nyala page

[restive adder]

Even if you mess it up, it's really easy to roll back your changes, so don't be scared!

Getting the visual editor working's on my todo list

[finite lintel]

Is engine condition affect engine power ?
If not we can change range of engine power on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles
(chevalier nyala 400-480)
if affecting we can add information about that on site

[cobalt nimbus]

Where do I find the stats of every item?

[pallid cave]

steamapps\common\ProjectZomboid\media\scripts

[stable pond]

on the individual vehicle pages it says this
maybe its worth adding the same text somewhere on the Vehicles page you mentioned since its not there

[cold vigil]

Didn't I update the Nyala page already or it got reverted?

[stable pond]

I think you misunderstand what we just said

if you only look at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles, it doesn't say anything about engine condition affecting the power

[cold vigil]

Ah. But yeah. I dont think engine condition affects power

Someone needs to actually dive the Lua to be sure because I had a 85% engine condition Nyala with 290 horsepower

[stable pond]

try it in debug

change condition

see it change

[cold vigil]

Not at my desk right now but doesn't debug always spawn perfect vehicles

[stable pond]

doesn't need to be perfect

you change the condition and the power changes, what does that tell you

[cold vigil]

I mean if it always spawn perfect we won't see the low rolls

[stable pond]

you can perfect repair it also

but are you saying you think the power is rng even at perfect condition?

[cold vigil]

Yea I am saying that

Doesn't appear to be related since I can find a Nyala with as good an engine health as possible in the wild (80+% is nearly the best I can find, I never find 100% engines) and it somehow lowrolled with 290 horsepower, the weakest one yet

[stable pond]

oh I see

[cold vigil]

When I get to my desk I'll open god mode debug and teleport around inspecting every Nyala on apoc settings to see

[stable pond]

yeah sounds like it might be worth it

[stable pond]

repairing the engine brought it back to 400
however I also found a police variant that stayed at 480 no matter what, perhaps only the base variant changes on condition?

[cold vigil]

👍

480 HP Nyala police variant is actually really good. It moves fast, cruises quietly and has big trunk+seats

[stable pond]

maybe its a bug haha

[cold vigil]

Idk lol need an actual Lua or PZ expert to find out

I'm sure car generation is governed by one of those files that you gotta decompile

[stable pond]

I guess you could find out if it only looks for base variant when changing power

[cold vigil]

So everytime you repair Nyala the car horpsoe goes back to 400?

[stable pond]

yea

[cold vigil]

What about other cars?

Never noticed this with dashbulldriver for eg

[stable pond]

lets find out if theyr'e afflicted too

ya

now lets try with a variant

yea it affects all cars

variants are always max power

I guess that makes variants currently better than standard

[cold vigil]

Nice

I always gravitate to police/fire/park variant so I guess now I know why, Ty for testing

Wonder if they also generally spawn with higher engine quality. I think so? Always 70+

[finite lintel]

So after all we should include that information on vehicle page right ?

We could change here information, cuz mostly muffler affects for engine loudness

[void basin]

aiteron flooded all the recent changes page with like 80 edits lol

[gentle gulch]

Do I need an account to help the wiki? I don't have much wiki writing experience but I'm happy to help

[gentle gulch]

I've made an account and I'll probably start filling in empty links soon-ish. Please be patient with me as I figure things out 🙂

[languid kayak]

Anyone knows if/when the icon for Alcohol Wipes changed and why? I see there's an old design in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:AlcoholWipes.png and maybe it's worth documenting it similar to what I did for First Aid Kit? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/First_Aid_Kit#Trivia

[languid kayak]

Huh, that's interesting, I realized when uploading a zopfli optimized version of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:AliceBag.png to the wiki that its size it's 31x32 px instead of the usual 32x32. I exported that using TileZed and it seems there's more of such files.

Is it an issue with TileZed or some game bug? Should I pad these items to 32x32 manually then?

[faalagorn@faalagorn-pc item_all]$ identify *.png | grep 31x32
AliceBag.png PNG 31x32 31x32+0+0 8-bit sRGB 933B 0.000u 0:00.000
DrawstringBag.png PNG 31x32 31x32+0+0 8-bit sRGB 820B 0.000u 0:00.000
HelmetCrash.png PNG 31x32 31x32+0+0 8-bit sRGB 816B 0.000u 0:00.000
[faalagorn@faalagorn-pc item_all]$ identify *.png | grep 32x31
BagOfCarrotsSeeds.png PNG 32x31 32x31+0+0 8-bit sRGB 1559B 0.000u 0:00.000
CarrotsSeeds.png PNG 32x31 32x31+0+0 8-bit sRGB 643B 0.000u 0:00.000
HandShovel.png PNG 32x31 32x31+0+0 8-bit sRGB 1038B 0.000u 0:00.000

[languid kayak]

@restive adder you may have an idea what causes it, but after I upload some new images, it seems that they take a while to appear. I can force them to appear using ?purge=1 as long as it's used, but when I reload the page (even with Ctrl+F5), they don't appear until a while after. I guess it's something with caching, but do you think it's worth to touch it? It's a tad confusing when you upload new version of images 😛

[languid kayak]

Also @restive adder do you think you could add

img.pixelart {
    -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor;
    image-rendering: -moz-crisp-edges;
    image-rendering: -o-crisp-edges;
    image-rendering: -webkit-optimize-contrast;
    image-rendering: crisp-edges;
}

to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css as per https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20085594/mediawiki-applying-css-to-image ? I tested the span method in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/120_px_test and it so far indeed just works on Firefox (both desktop and mobile), having that class working properly would allow us to get rid of the blurry miniatures and need to upload separate versions of images

[languid kayak]

same issue happens when I edit css, for some reason it also appears for me as if I'm logged off, again, purge=1 helps.

[languid kayak]

Although https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/common.css seems not to work for the images class 🤔

[restive adder]

Yes the answer is aggressive caching. I need to tune it a little, another todo list entry. Might also have affected common.css. Can try to look Sunday, migraine atm

[meager charm]

Colleagues, please tell me how to wipe the server with the preservation of bases. Please help it is very necessary. best in private message.

[restive adder]

This is channel for wiki editing. You might do better in #1019767076094758924 or #mod_support

[restive adder]

This might be fixed now -- images not showing up correctly after upload if you're logged in. If logged out will still see from cache, might take a while for the caches to update, but should be better for editors

[restive adder]

Added the requested class to common.css, and purged cache, should be available now

[languid kayak]

Yeah, the class works fine and was applied to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/120_px_test fine, sadly it still doesn't seem work in Chromium and deriviates (Edge) still, I updated the page and see if there's another alternative to be used, as the effect on Firefox is nice and we wouldn't have to upload upscaled copies needlessly

[languid kayak]

That works nicely, no need to forcefully purge=1 cache to see what I uploaded 😄

[languid kayak]

oh actually, not 100% 😄 When I uploaded new icon for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Avocado.png it did appear fine in the preview, but when I opened the direct link to https://pzwiki.net/w/images/a/ae/Avocado.png it still shows me the old icon. https://pzwiki.net/w/images/a/ae/Avocado.png?purge=1 shows the new one though

[restive adder]

Direct like that uses a different path so might take a while to update. Not a way to easily purge them because it’s cloudflares cache

[languid kayak]

@restive adder there seems to be an issue when I access this page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/common.css (or the global common.css), until I purge it shows as if I'm not logged.

I also found the issue with the pixel art not working on chromium, it doesn't accept image-rendering: crisp-edges but does accept image-rendering: pixelated;, apparently Firefox used not to accept the image-rendering: pixelated; but it does work for me 🤷.

The -ms-interpolation-mode: nearest-neighbor; is for IE and seems Safari needs caveat too, I wonder if we have users with older browsers to warrant these workarounds for them, but if they work, guess it won't help, I'll just have figure a way that doesn't overrwite the properties 😄

More info: http://help.dottoro.com/lcasdhhx.php and https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/i/image-rendering/

[restive adder]

.css files are hard-cached, since they mostly don't change

[languid kayak]

https://caniuse.com/css-crisp-edges

pixelated, unlike crisp-edges seems to apply only for upscaled images not the downscaled, though I guess if it works it won't be an issue?

[languid kayak]

Okay, seems like pixelated is the way to go, though the modified answer from https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3900436/image-scaling-by-css-is-there-a-webkit-alternative-for-moz-crisp-edges/8888964?noredirect=1#comment29827016_8888964 works fine, I applied it to span here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/120_px_test?purge=1 – Firefox could use crisp-edge, but it does use pixelated, but it shouldn't matter (attached is the screen from my Firefox 109 on desktop).

I'll do soem more testing and fiddling, but if you'll have some spare time you can update the common.css with that @restive adder and I will be able to start using the pixelart class and slowly get rid of duplicated scaled versions of images 🙂

Will also save the work of uploading them, which was not-so-long-ago asked and partially done by @vapid pecan back in September for some items #pzwiki_editing message 😛

[restive adder]

I've changed it to pixelated, and flushed the caches

[languid kayak]

That would work too, the best, to serve all browsers would probably be the modified from here:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3900436/image-scaling-by-css-is-there-a-webkit-alternative-for-moz-crisp-edges

That way the most recent Firefox gets served crisp-edges (so downscaling is good too) and current Chromium/Edge gets served pixelated until they support crisp-edges in future versions maybe:

img.pixelart {
    image-rendering:optimizeSpeed;             /* Legal fallback */
    image-rendering:-moz-crisp-edges;          /* Firefox        */
    image-rendering:-o-crisp-edges;            /* Opera          */
    image-rendering:-webkit-optimize-contrast; /* Safari         */
    image-rendering:optimize-contrast;         /* CSS3 Proposed  */
    image-rendering:pixelated;                 /* CSS4 Proposed  */
    image-rendering:crisp-edges;               /* CSS4 Proposed  */
    -ms-interpolation-mode:nearest-neighbor;   /* IE8+           */
}

Either way, it works anyway, so that will allow me to safely get rid of the 120px variants over time 🥳

[restive adder]

I've applied that now

[languid kayak]

one thing, can you change the order of image-rendering:pixelated; with the image-rendering:crisp-edges; so that the crisp-edge is below pixelated? That way crisp-edges will get applied to supported browsers (currently only Firefox)

[restive adder]

done, may take 30+s to take affect

[languid kayak]

Thanks a lot, should be fine now 😄

[languid kayak]

First page using the pixelart class instead of 120px image; seems fine: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Biscuit 👌. Now just gotta update the rest of the pages 😄

[gentle gulch]

Neat, is 120px larger than the older resolution?

When editing an article, should I change the version to the current version (even if I don't update the code/stats)?

[languid kayak]

yeah, why not? The code have separate version anyway 🙂

[languid kayak]

nah, 120 is what it was before, I just replaced the upscaled image with a default one, though I was thinking about 128 potentially having rounder pixels, though I don't see a difference really: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/120_px_test – they all still can be scaled up though 😛

[gentle gulch]

@languid kayak is there a guideline on when to (not) include a table of contents?

[languid kayak]

Not really, I think it's automatically hidden if below 2 headers, you can also configure it to hide some subheaders when needed

Actually, there might be some impromptu uidelines on other wikis, but nothing I'm aware for PZwiki, I'll take a look, as I found that the clothing one is kinda too long for myy linking on items paze yesterday 😄

[gentle gulch]

All right. My rule of thumb was to hide it if I could see all the sections from the top of the page

[languid kayak]

When looking through boilerplate templaes, I noticed this category; probably something worth looking to 🤔 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_using_duplicate_arguments_in_template_calls

[languid kayak]

I initially shrugged it off, but now that I think of, I might write a community news, especially as things move in wiki now, with Aiteron adding all the modding stuff, Pohly managing the location project and some under the hood changes + loose people editing the wiki happened a lot lately 🤔

[slim hemlock]

Went through the Skills page and a few of the town pages and expanded them. Didn't touch Muldraugh page since I haven't really checked it out yet

[fossil epoch]

Made a significant update to the Plumbing page. I believe this should all be correct as of b41 but would appreciate a second look from anyone with recent plumbing experience:

[fossil epoch]

(also opinions on whether this material should actually go under "water" and just be linked from the plumbing page)

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I noticed it yesteday 😛 Seems correct, though I never did extensve testing on that system, guess it can be tested in debug to make sure, but I think it's correct.

I thing that either it's a bug or I don't have knowledge, as I never checked it extensively, but sometimes I have a feeling that water doesn't get used from the sink, but it displays 400/400 when there are 3 or so water barrels connected to it

About the page, they can be transluded; I should get back to giving Tiles some more love again, though I kinda focused myself on items now 😄

[fossil epoch]

Thanks. Also added a note about the ability to freely add/remove water reservoirs once a fixture is plumbed (who'd guess that would work...)

[iron jackal]

Hello all, thank you for having me. I am interested in participating in both an grammar/spelling type of editing, in-game testing, as well as creating new content for the wiki. I came here firstly because I think the it would be cool if the wiki had mod descriptions. I know that is what the steam page is for, but there are a lot of great, and very deep mods out there, that somehow have almost no information on them.

[restive adder]

generally we discourage mod information on the wiki, unless it's extremely well marked, due to wanting to prevent confusion, people googling things and landing on a mod wiki page

[iron jackal]

I see, thank you for the information

[languid kayak]

Well, Hydrocraft got such love before https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Hydrocraft, so maybe it could be done; though it's a lot of work to set it up proper not to interfere with the main content that is sitll lacking sadly 😦

[frigid cliff]

Hi! I would like helping the Wiki translating to Spanish, should i just start or there's anyone who coordinate?

[languid kayak]

btw, @restive adder @digital helm you may have noticed, but I'm slowly working on some cleaning up recently, and I am wondering, can unused templates from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Infobox_deprecated or eventually https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:RecipeLookup be removed if/when they are not used on any page anymore? RecipeLookup is already broken showing some }} and having them removed would save me having to update them when things change (e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Baggage still uses a 120px icon and doesn't have the pixelart class) and no page use it. Also, not having them would basically prevent someone from using them accidentially.

Also, when it comes to the languages, when I'll be moving the pages adding {{DISPLAYTITLE}} as per the style guide https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Style_guide#Translations, what's the policy of having original names as a redirect? Should I generally leave the original name behind? E.g. https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Obrzyn&redirect=no – would it also mean to manually add redirects if no exist though? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Objets&redirect=no exist too.

[zenith vale]

Is this channel only for people who want to apply to work on the wiki or can anybody say if something is missing or wrong.

[restive adder]

Depreciated pages, can mark them for deletion and we'll get round to it. Or, if they're definitely of no use any more, and never will be, should be safe to delete them.

Not really ever had a policy that I know of of language redirects. Not sure it matters, would only be a problem if there's a conflict, at which point discussion or a disambiguation page?

[restive adder]

Anyone can work on the wiki! See the pinned post 🙂 You can say if something is missing, or wrong, but it's just as easy to edit yourself

[zenith vale]

Okay thank you.

[zenith vale]

Well anyway im too incompetant on my phone so before i forget, on the wiki in the Hit Vids! section is missing a location for the store in riverside it south/west of the Spiffo's.

[languid kayak]

I guess they are needed for regional links to work, I'll take a look today.

I might get around and remove the last instances of these templates and get rid of it, finishing work Vaileasys started I guess. 🙂

At worst case, these pages can be brought back, but I doubt they'll be of any use anymore.

[restive adder]

I'm looking at upgrading the wiki, and swearing at the upgrade process, which seems to be deliberately designed to be unscriptable, again today. Might put the wiki readonly for a bit later

[restive adder]

.. update not happening today, reviewing a tool that might make it less irritating

[languid kayak]

Welp, I removed few templates that were no longer being used, and even updated a few other pages to don't use some old templates, but I don't think I feel up for updating the rest of them, as most are ancient pages (raging to builds like Version 0.2.0p) with the regional variants.

If someone is up for the task of updating the regional variants, here are the 3 remaining templates: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Infobox_deprecated and I linked the regional variants on each page, not counting the RecipeLookup, but most pages would definitely need to be rewritten from scratchI guess instead of just replacingthe templates.

I can help and may help with Polish from time to time, but I'm mostly focusing on the English; hopefully these will get updated over time though 🙂

[restive adder]

Might be worth freezing the fishing pages, till 42 is released, since it's gonna have a fishing overhaul?

[worthy igloo]

Freeze farming while you're at it then?

[languid kayak]

Well, as long as people correct things such as typos and stuff, I don't think it matters. Beside, not all that will change, pretty much any item can have changed properties (and at least it would require a version bump :P)

[restive adder]

more might be worth a flag as to not overhaul those pages/items, since it'd be wasted work when 42 lands?

[languid kayak]

Do we even have a template for that? I'd have to take a look

[restive adder]

I don't think we have a template for it

[languid kayak]

BTW, I just found an answer to my question from before, kinda 😛 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Deprecation

Sadly also found there's more deprecated templates, mostly residing on language pages 😦

[languid kayak]

BTW, should the model be used instead of 120px icon when possible? For example a lot of food items have models uploaded in gallery, e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Banana though when it comes to food, it's more complicated since they have rotten/cooked/burnt versions 🤔

[restive adder]

Don't know, what do you think looks better?

Gonna be interesting when varient overlays come in

[languid kayak]

I think 3D model looks better than 120px icon, but I'll see later

I already mentioned here once, that what TF2 wiki looks great, though it's probably lots of work 😛 https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/File:Demoman_BLU_3D.jpg

[languid kayak]

Huh, now I found an edit that basically reversed that: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Candy_Cane&diff=81019&oldid=68257

[vapid pecan]

Ayy nice, I knew it had to be possible automatically somehow, glad to see that got figured out

[languid kayak]

Yeah, seems to work fine across the browsers, should even work in some ancient ones, feel free to test 🙂

The only minor issue I have to figure out is what's the best way to apply it to galleries; I believe it should be possible to add a class to Common.css but so far i just added the class.

I'm not sure, if it's possible to apply it to the thumbnals you see on the item pages, e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BaseballBatNails.png for PZwiki the scaling method could be applied globally, maybe the other way around, with exception for some rare JPEGs.

Speaking of which, I found out the handy https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:MediaStatistics today, didn't see how much it was before I started compressing and deleting some 120px, let's see how low can it go from now though 😎

[restive adder]

Nice. Making the files smaller should help with site speed.. and make the caching more efficient 🙂

[languid kayak]

I consistently get 40% improvement, it just, it takes time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d6yBHDvKUw (with the extreme zopfli compresison I use; I'll probably use something less extreme for bigger files though).

Although, if you want even more space, you can take a look at webp: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User:Faalagorn/.webp_test&action=edit&section=5 – these are supported in all the modern browsers and offer 10% saving over even the most extreme png compressions, though MediaWiki may still serve pngs for scaled versions last time I checked, which kinda defeats the purpose 😦

There used to be https://flif.info/ too but it never caught up sadly

Oh, apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XL includes what FLIF did though, gotta take a look on that

Though again seems it's chrome being problematic lol https://www.phoronix.com/news/Chrome-Dropping-JPEG-XL-Reasons

[languid kayak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP#WebP_2 is also canceled, which currently (unles something changes again), leaves just with webp and maybe AVIF, but it's less supported than webp and apparently lacking according to the https://siipo.la/blog/whats-the-best-lossless-image-format-comparing-png-webp-avif-and-jpeg-xl (I can take a deeper look anyway)

[languid kayak]

Speaking of which @restive adder (he/him) do the old versions of images affect anything other than taking some space on the server? These shouldn't get cached, right? Technically these can be removed, but it's much hassle. We do have some corrupted images though.

Also, probably question more fitting the
mod_development but anyone have an idea on what format the icons are stored in the game file? I know they are big files that are later cut into pieces, these can be exported as one file with TileZed.

I have an issue with TileZed (version served with the PZ Modding Tools on Steam, I tried compiling my own but for some reason it doesn't work) where some images are not 32x32 px (list here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn#TODO) but I see that some are moved 1 pixel here or there compared to what was uploaded previously (mainly the uploads from Vi back from 2016ish, seems the ones uploaded by Vaileasys are not moved), is it a difference from different TileZed versions?

[restive adder]

Old images don't matter, don't take up that much space. Don't know about format, probably best to ask in modding

I kinda don't like WebP cos Google is pushing it a little too hard than its benefits warrent IMO. Probably best to not switch to it fully yet, still a lot of older browsers out there

[languid kayak]

Yeah, the new formats sounds promising, but I agree with Google being Google here :/

[languid kayak]

BTW, handy site:
https://caniuse.com/png-alpha
https://caniuse.com/apng
https://caniuse.com/webp
https://caniuse.com/avif
https://caniuse.com/jpegxl

• According to the data PNG's alpha transparency is 99.89% (Only IE6 doesn't support it, though we don't really use alpha transparncy anywhere in the first place)
• APNG is 96.79% (they work fine on Wiki)
• WebP is 95.27% + 2.14% = 97.41% (though 2.14% is partial support and some oldest browsers with partial support don't support lossless WebP or animations (alpha we don't use anywhere I believe)
• and AVIF is 81.37% + 1.27% = 82.64% (same story here, though I'd have to compare if it's even worth it, as according to the blog it's even worse than PNGs in our use case)

Regular PNGs are safe to assume are close to 100% except maybe some retro browsers that don't even have CSS, GIFs even further; no worries site doesn't track it 😛

I also updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/.webp_test#Animated a little, seems there's an issue with GIFs being scaled down, I noticed that when replacing animation in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/pl https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Items%2Fpl&type=revision&diff=89997&oldid=75107 – something I have to take a look at I guess 🤔

[languid kayak]

I guess all pre-41 info from the wiki, other than some Trivia, can be safely removed if the build 41 are present, especially since 41 is well and stable now.

We have these pages, that list both build 40 (on top) and build 41, so I guess it'd be best to remove the build 40 info altogether?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Duffelbag
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Big_Hiking_Bag
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Normal_Hiking_Bag

[restive adder]

Yeah, probably

No point keeping it

[tulip kiln]

How do we get the 3D Models for those ingame items though?

Cause aren't there more duffelbag variant types now?

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I'm occupied with editing icons now, but was wondering the same today, I think @digital helm knows and linked some tool here at one point, but I'd have to check

[slim hemlock]

I assume this info is incorrect?

[digital helm]

When I was doing it, models were stored as X files. I would convert it to obj with an online tool then just open it in blender, apply the texture then render. Crop, scale and optimise, then upload.

But since world items were added, I think they're already stored as obj files, or similar that can already be opened in blender

Have a look at the pinned in #modeling I remember seeing backpacks already converted ready for blender, etc.

[restive adder]

@languid kayak regarding steam depot, we’ve an auto build that compiles versions for testing constantly. Gonna be updated almost every day, probably not worth tracking 😉

[languid kayak]

Probably, yeah, though 41.78 at 2021 was bothering me :D

[hollow folio]

Maybe someone can add a bit of extra detail concerning plumbing on the water page and pipe wrenches having such a functionality on its respective page

[wraith grail]

Added a section about plumbing to the pipe wrench, as well as a "See also" section with a link to Tiles/Plumbing :)

same with the water page, added a mention of plumbing to the faucet section as well as the see also section.

[shrewd hedge]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding
the Creating a [] sections are all invalid links

[restive adder]

Yup, a dev is working on it slowly, around other tasks, but still a lot to do. Wiki is easy to edit if you wanted to contribute

[shrewd hedge]

never done any PZ modding myself, I'd love to but I'm afraid I wouldn't know what I was talking about

[tired sorrel]

Hello! I noticed that there is no Hungarian language on the wiki. Can I add the language? 🙂

[restive adder]

Yup, feel free! 🙂

Shout if you need help with the templates

[languid kayak]

I think traditional chinese need to be properly added as a separate language too, as it doesn't appear in languages header. I didn't take a deeper look at it yet @restive adder

[restive adder]

Not 100% sure on how it works, might be just an edit to the template?

[tired sorrel]

Thanks 🙂

[scenic quiver]

help me

how to delete wiki page?

[restive adder]

Someone just reverted Aiteron’s work on modding page. Thoughts? @languid kayak

[languid kayak]

yeah, noticed that yesterday too, though the point about losing some info stays until Aiteron finished their work 🤔 @cold kettle thoughts? I didn't follow the modding area closely, but I guess keeping it as a sandbox until it finishes is viable?

I also noticed it was reverted (though stated clearly), by someone from fresh account, not sure if it's someone from here?

[restive adder]

Don't think it was someone here, though someone did ask somewhere the other day about it being WIP

[languid kayak]

Though actually we can keep both actually, as I see the existing (pre Aiteron's work) is mostly a collection of links which could be kept

Or keep both kinda like build 41 items were kept where 41 wasn't stable yet

[restive adder]

Add the deletion template, so we (admins) can do it later for you; https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Deletion Edit: add link, remove incorrect advice

[restive adder]

Maybe put Aiteron's under the existing on the same page? Aiteron's added a lot of new data to the wiki

[languid kayak]

I don't think users can delete pages?

[restive adder]

I honestly can't remember :/

[languid kayak]

yeah, that'd be the easiest way to keep both just didn't had time to think of it yesterday 😛

[restive adder]

You're right, they can't! Will update my reply (edit: just logged in as my monitoring test user to check)

[restive adder]

I'll add a 'please discuss with editors before making large changes' message to new user's talk page

[languid kayak]

Yeah, noticed you took care of it before me, that's good as Aiteron's work will need to be cleaned up too, I see there's a modding namespace for the mods

[restive adder]

Finished now, hopefully that looks okay?

Checking deletion queue, only https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Smallbarricade.png, but it's used on a bunch of pages yet

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I'll probably get to it eventually, seems to be duplicate of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Barricade.png

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I'm taking a look too; seems the "Modding:" is not a real namespace? So is the Guide:

[restive adder]

Aye, I'm honestly not sure how to setup namespaces, I normally just install & update mediawikis, not edit them 😐

Hrm, so it looks like I can setup a custom namespace for modding. Worth looking into further?

Would mean having to move every modding page into the modding namespace

Hrm, might be able to move in bulk. Anyway, here's the documentation if you're curious https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces

[languid kayak]

Yeah, don't rush it 😛 I'd rather clean up the other pages and let Aiteron work at his own pace, then we can always move pages around if we decide so

So far I do some tedious work by hand, but I have to take a look/set up a bot with AutoWikiBrowser or something similar, just didn't have time to do it properly; that's speed up a lot of work, maybe could be used to clearing up the old remnants/languages up to date faster

[restive adder]

Okay, well, added to the bottom of my todolist, so I'll get to it sometime in the next few years. Can always bump it up later

Saw someone might have been duplicating russian pages today, not sure how to handle that, delete and redirect or leave it or ?

Anyway, evening, heading off to sleep. Have a good night 🙂

[languid kayak]

That's what I did? {DISPLAYTITLE:cyrylic} and redirect from the cyrylic one to the /ru page. Seems it's what we follow and Vaileasys started

[restive adder]

Ahh, hadn't seen you'd fixed it already!

[languid kayak]

We also have to handle the now two new languages that don't display in the {{language}} bar 😄 one chinese variant and hungrian 😛

[restive adder]

I.. don't know how to help there sorry!

If you think it worth it I can ask the powers that be if we can get a quote for a specialist to take a look for us?

Also, I'm bad at sleeping apparently

[languid kayak]

no worry, it's somewhere on my TODO to figure it out too 😄

I'm also bad at sleeping, should go too 😄

[restive adder]

Finished my audit of the extention to make updating extensions less horrible yesterday. Dev patched a infinite loop caught in it today, so will maybe get the wiki upgrade done tomorrow

[languid kayak]

I just didn't take a look yet, so I think we can wait a few days at least 😛

[restive adder]

Well, it's an option if you'd like us to look into it

Anyway, I really sleep now. Have a good one!

[languid kayak]

Good night 😄

[hearty quest]

This is probably something that should be automated, but for the moment I created an example of what an entry for a Lua API object might look like. It would be a copy of the javadoc for the most part, but ideally would show the exposed Lua functions and explain any of the more confusing ones: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding:Lua_Objects/IsoPlayer

[restive adder]

Iirc someone has already imported javadoc into the wiki. Can’t recall where but there’s a category and page for them ?

[hearty quest]

Would love to see that

[wraith grail]

So, I was bored scrolling through the decompiled java files for the game, and I noticed First Aid actually has no effect on splint duration or anything of the sort. It purely reduces pain from applying fixes like sutures.

Am I going crazy and missing something or is that real?

Because I've heard from just about everyone that it does heal stuff faster but I dont see the code for that

[languid kayak]

BTW, I'm kinda too tired to do that properly now, but it seems that Russian wiki editors are active; would be nice to slowly remove the obsolte templates (I saw RecipeLookup being updated now) and follow usage of DISPLAYTITLE uniformly for Russian pages, that would improve things a little 🙂

[arctic root]

"Project Zomboid's lore seems to indicate that it takes place in an alternate universe where Romero's concept of the modern zombie never came to be."
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Zombie

[arctic root]

What does it even mean? Doesn't sounds clear what the author is trying to say.

[stable pond]

Sometimes you simply miss these things; best revert to the tried and trusted method of testing it in game. I have done exactly this and you will notice SplintFactor is increased with level. With this information you can then see fracture time is based on SplintFactor.

[wraith grail]

It means that the general population has no idea what a zombie is

[wraith grail]

Forgive me but I dont see how health factors in there. Obviously I do see the difference in game now, and thats much appreciated, however I'm just trying to make sense of the codebase a bit more

Does health bump the splint factor down, thus making the splint use less time?

[arctic root]

Or rather "modern zombie" as the author apparently tried to make a possible redundant distinction between the mythological zombies and Romero's zombies.
It just came out very confusing overall.

[wraith grail]

I can agree thats a bit redundant, yeah. Could edit it to something else

[arctic root]

Yep, I'm kinda reluctant to make an edit though. Zombies are not my speciality

[wraith grail]

I feel like you could also make the argument that the "modern" zombie is very different depending on where you look

[arctic root]

At first I thought it meant to make a distinction between the "traditional" zombie established by Romero and (possible) newer concepts that would be called "modern zombie".
It's just the term "modern zombie" is kinda vague.

[scenic quiver]

Есть русскоговорящие, которые шарят в Вики? Я хочу заняться переводом статей, но я банально не могу сделать переход на русский язык, научите, кто может.

Вижу, что большинство статей на русском языке выглядят не особо хорошо и пока есть желание, то почему бы и не попробовать

[rare yoke]

Could the vehicle max speed be added to the Template:Infobox vehicle?

[restive adder]

If you write something out I can ask someone to translate it into Russian for us, for posting on user talk pages?

[languid kayak]

yeah, for me "modern zombie" would be something more in lines of Left 4 Dead or 27 days later

[languid kayak]

you mean write that in things of the the community? Or even here would work, just not sure where Russian wiki editors gather 😛 OTOH, it's something I can do, ideally not entirely by hand, hence looking for alternatives (AWB or something) for mass edits, though it would be nice if people would already know in the meantime what page standard to follow 🙂 I updated boilerplates though

[restive adder]

I know there has been some activity on the russian pages recently, but don't think they talk in here. Might be worth asking in #translations , the russian translators might know
google translate; Google Переводчик. Я знаю, что в последнее время на русских страницах наблюдается какая-то активность, но не думаю, что они разговаривают здесь. Может стоит спросить в #translations , может русские переводчики знают

[median knoll]

big question idk if anyone can answer. chagning what it says when someone shouts on the server. how do i do that

[wraith grail]

you're gonna want #mod_support for that I'd believe

[tulip kiln]

I wrote that text, I said it that way because I consider the "modern" zombie to be Romero's. That's how I've heard it a lot throughout my life too. The classic zombie is more the voodoo mind control ones that you'd see in some movies before Romero made his movie.

I don't really think it'd be confusing either if you have at least some idea who Romero is.

And the description at the start of page describes how his zombies were.

So I'd say that gives context.

[arctic root]

Well, I didn't have any idea who Romero was.
When I first read the page I searched and the article I find about "Romero's zombies" mentioned them to be somewhat intelligent in some instances disagree in part with what is wrote in the wiki so it contribute to the whole experience being confusing.

[tulip kiln]

In the later movies, yeah. But in the original, not really too smart.

Plus inspired doesn't mean a complete copy.

[arctic root]

yep, kinda adds more variants so you kinda left to wonder what the "modern zombie" is

[tulip kiln]

Can't really solve that though. Cause traditional zombies can mean different things to people too.

Some would consider voodoo zombies as traditional.

[worthy igloo]

Speaking of the wiki, I noticed that some important information is missing from this page?
||https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hoodie||

[tulip kiln]

They patched out the invisibility properties ages ago unfortunately

[arctic root]

I think we should try to cleanly convey the idea of that the people of zomboid's universe weren't introduced to the concept of Romero's zombie via media depicting thinking like a zombie apocalypse.

[tulip kiln]

You can edit that part if you want, I can't think of what to change it to. I was just trying to quickly finish that part when I was converting the page from 40 to 41.

[arctic root]

I will try to think of something.
I'm not a zombie connoiseur, nor am I native so I'm reluctant do it myself

[languid kayak]

I added two new languages (Chinese Simplified/Mainland China) now Hungarian to the template so they should appear fine now, tested on the main page, just might need ?purge=1 for a while. 🙂

I also updated the template doc while at it and got rid of the old table in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Language_policy#All_suppоrted_languages and instead transcluded the one from the doc I updated as well, less mainteneance burden.

The only "issue" is with the Chinese naming, as the old "chinese" would typically be bumped to "zh-tw" or something in lines of it, but let's not worry about it too much, as it's extra renames for something that's not even technically correct: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4892372/language-codes-for-simplified-chinese-and-traditional-chinese

[fiery plaza]

Is there any easy way to copy and paste code from the game files to the wiki text editor and make it all look even? For example, when I copy it I get a whole bunch of misaligned spaces and tabs, making the code preview look all disorganized.

Code on the right is clean and pretty. Preview on the left isnt. I figured out its because theres tabs and spaces messing it up, but its a pain to manually align it all by removing tabs and adding spaces to make it match

Nevermind. Used notepad++ to install the code alignment plug in, found and replaced tabs with a single space, and then it looks nice!

[languid kayak]

that would work too; I wonder if it's something that should be done to every item 🤔? How many spaces per tab is it?

[fiery plaza]

It would be nice to have some sort of standardization. I ended up copying code from another page and using its formatting. I just found the longest string of text, added a few spaces, then aligned everything else based off that. So the amount varies depending on the length of the original string.

[languid kayak]

Hm, what's that from? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Rain.png I don't think I ever saw that icon, but it seems to be from old builds of the game?

[hollow folio]

is this information still true? because it doesnt seem to work. that, or i misunderstood this mechanic

[languid kayak]

Turned out Ukrainian was missing too and had some pages (main page and some template), so now it's added 👍

[languid kayak]

Well, I tracked down all the 120/128px icons. Sadly not much improvement image-size (Total file size for all 5,866 files: 848,357,055 bytes (809.06 MB), since I guess more files were uploaded), but the wiki should be a tad cleaner now 👌 (and require less effort of maintained two versions now). Size will get lower as I get to remove extras and compress existing images, too.

[languid kayak]

Okay, guess my work is done for tonight; have a community news everyone 🙂 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_News#February_2023

[languid kayak]

I know i had this discussion with Vaileasys not so long ago, I wonder if we should put anything new as an announcement, too, or let it stay at:

December 20, 2021
Build 41 Released to stable!

and update it when build 42 hits (IWBUMS?)

We did had a lot of minor versions in between, though these are, yeah, minor 😛 And version template already tracks i quite good 🤔

[languid kayak]

I'll be in process of updating gifs to apng (since they are smaller and support more colors), but it seems that currently any (animated) gif that is scaled down, shows this error Error creating thumbnail: convert convert: Unrecognized option (-layers). – seems like some error with imagemagick @restive adder?

See https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/120_px_test

[languid kayak]

Important question, since I'm in the process of doing some animations; which is better 1 second rotation or 2 second rotation?

1 second example: https://pzwiki.net/w/images/c/ce/Bagel_Anim.png
2 second example: https://pzwiki.net/w/images/8/84/Bagel_Anim.gif

apng doesn't seem to work in Discord though 😩. Anyway, let me know if you prefer 2 second over 1 second; I started doing 1 second animations after I saw one being 1 second, but I'm puzzled after I saw the others being 2 second per frame 🤔

[fiery plaza]

I'd personally prefer the 1 second. 🙂

[restive adder]

We have graphicsmagick installed, so might be missing feature. Can try to take look later, remind me if don’t reply re this , migraine day so fuzzy fuzz fuzz atm

[languid kayak]

No worriew, thanks! I may not be much of clear mind myslelf lot of eork irl and lack of sleep, maybe I'll spend some tine actually playing instead od editing PZ :P

[uncut minnow]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Traits

Im pretty sure this is meant to be patient.

[restive adder]

#pzwiki_editing message 🙂

[brazen perch]

hey, I believe this portion of the wiki needs editing, because I found a zombie with a machete dticking out of him pre 20 days. It was the Jason zombie with a hockey mask.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Machete

idk if it was a bug or the wiki is wrong, but I wanted to confirm here before I did anything as I'm new

[languid kayak]

Jeson is separate, so yeah

Jason*

Can be added as a second dot though 🙂

[scenic quiver]

Hello, how change this to other language? Help pls

[brazen perch]

thanks for clarifying, 'preciate it.

oops sorry for the ping reply my b

[amber basalt]

Researching cooking with poisonous food/bleach/rotten food at the moment as some of the wiki is light on this subject or inaccurate - but I am unable to add bleach to any food. Does anyone know if this has been changed?
Build 41, no mods.
Edit: Oop I think I found the answer, poisoning might have to be enabled to do so.

[languid kayak]

I don't mind 😄

I like pings 😛 @languid kayak

[languid kayak]

I'll take a look, but probably not sooner than tomorrow, as I'm tired sadly

can you link the template you edit until then @scenic quiver ?

Will be easier for me 😄

[scenic quiver]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Crafting_carpentry/ru

[scenic quiver]

Or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting_header/ru, I don’t know, sorry 🤷🏻‍♂️

[restive adder]

Try again now? Replaced graphicsmagick with imagemagick

[wise musk]

did they add morbious to the game yet?

[ionic ferry]

Hey, I found a clause in the wiki that needs to be updated. The second bullet point about having needed to place the water fixture is wrong. I just plumbed the sink in the rosewood fire station without ever having needed to replace it.

[languid kayak]

Seems the same,but I'll see again later, might be something else?

[languid kayak]

@scenic quiver The "one of" is part of this template: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting/core

[scenic quiver]

can you make screenshot?

im find

[languid kayak]

ah okay, you found it but just in case 😛

[scenic quiver]

thx

[languid kayak]

@restive adder about the Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: line 1: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127 Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: line 1: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory error – can you take a look at the $wgImageMagickConvertCommand? See this post and replies: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:W1oplq7ipxntpd37&topic_showPostId=w1p02oaew17pj16d#flow-post-w1p02oaew17pj16d – best to see if the command is not speicified twice (I think it's the LocalSettings.php based on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wg_variable but it's been ages since I set up a MediaWiki on the server so you should probably know better :D) and that convert binary is indeed in that location and if it has the appropriate permissions maybe?

I think GraphicsMagick should have convert installed too http://www.graphicsmagick.org/convert.html but I'm too baffled about the difference, as these two projects forked and are developed independly. I did take a look before, but I figured i have imagemagick installed here locally too 😄

[frail fossil]

I found something that's almost not worth editing, but it was just something that caught my eye -- apparently the game's Moon cycles are backwards? Not sure if this was ever changed in the past but if someone's bored enough to edit it onto a Trivia note or something in the Weather page, feel free. 🙂
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weather

[restive adder]

Will take a look on Monday, remind me if I don’t get to it

[languid kayak]

Hm, seems that restoring pages is somewhat fuzzy? As I tried to restore a page and got a different things resotred that I got to show? Hopefully it's all solved now, but I had to mess a little with some Polish sites and the history might be a tad messed

[scenic quiver]

please move https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Бейсбольная_бита to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Baseball_Bat/ru

[cobalt nimbus]

What page needs editing?

[languid kayak]

You mean in general? There's a lot of pages that needs editing, but mostly things that aren't updated to Build 41 I guess, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_41_Update but you can also see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects for general overview or generally just browse the wiki to see where you can help :). In general language versions of wiki needs a lot of work too, especially German, French, Norwegian, Polish and Japanese; some needs updating to latest conent too.

I'm mostly spending my time at improving under-the-hood things, especially if they require admin rights, mostly trying to finish what Vaileasys started, as he did an awful good job at bringing some things up to suitable level, but there's a lot of crust from even back as 2012 or so 😄

Also see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version to update things that are the oldest. There are https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Boilerplates to start some pages (I need to add more and slightly update the existing, but these are good to start). Generally take a look at the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version_41 to see up to par pages too

[granite lion]

did someone get back to you about this? What do you mean by "doesn't seem to work"?

[granite lion]

if someone hasn't already changed it on your behalf, please feel free to go ahead and change it. I can vouch for you that plumbing works for at least 1 other location where the sink wasn't moved beforehand.

[hollow folio]

I thought you could connect multiple rain barrels to one sink in a 3x3 location. Apparently, only one sink can be connected to only one rain barrel, but it can do so in a 3x3 location (though ive not tested this myself)

[languid kayak]

I have a safehouse with multiple barrels and while the water it used, it showes 400/400 (or whatever the barrel was) for a brief time then goes down, so I guessed it picks it from two barrels, but I'd have to test it. I'll try to do that today evening or somewhere during the week @hollow folio @granite lion (feel free to remind me later if I'll forget, I'm home at 6 or so PM CET, but might be busy/tired today)

Also reminding @restive adder to check the imagemagick I send and reminding myself@languid kayak to set up a bot similar to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:VaileasysBot for mundane work, as it takes way too much time for simple tasks :P. Maybe eventually it could be used to parse automatically info such as codes, recipes, chances to find, forage zones from the text files, but I'm not sure, I'll be skilled enough to write it 🤔

[hollow folio]

In my experience, it just picks one barrel and only one barrel. I tried this with the rain barrel above it. Im not sure if itll try to find a rain barrel in a 3x3 area above the sink when plumbing it for the first time though, or if removing an already connected rain barrel will make the sink autoconnect to a nearby one. Do tell your results though

[languid kayak]

I always got the impresdion it's just bugged, but maybe it's a mechsnic I fidn't inderstood. Mighy be different on mp and sp too, I'll see!

[restive adder]

check again now?

[languid kayak]

works, thanks 🥳

[languid kayak]

Well, while the sink below showed 100, after filling multiple buckets with water, both barrels are 0/400

That's single player debug

[hollow folio]

so one sink was able to use two barrels?

[languid kayak]

seems so? Even if the display said otherwise

[signal bough]

is it allowed to make new pages? I get message:

Your registration/post has been detected as spam. If it is legitimate, please contact the site administrator by emailing [e-mail] detailing what was happening when you saw this message, your email address/username, and what you were doing at the time.

[languid kayak]

it is, but maybe a spam filter caught some keywords

Do we get access to that @restive adder?

[restive adder]

Nope, that's a me thing!

[restive adder]

Please follow the instructions in the message and i can help you 🙂

Specifically that's cleantalk picking up as spammer

[languid kayak]

You can also attach the page here in the meantime guess, either as a file or surrounded by three `

[restive adder]

Thanks for the email! Try again now. If it doesn't work, try clearing browsercache, and trying again

thanks for contributing to the wiki 🙂

[graceful scaffold]

Hi guys, I would like to contribute to the wiki by translating the pages into Spanish, but I have no idea of ​​the wiki programming language. Can someone send me a tutorial or similar? Thank you

[stable pond]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents
specifically "Editing for beginners" may help

[graceful scaffold]

ty dude, sorry if this is a frequent question, but I was lost with so much information about the wiki

[stable pond]

no worries, the wiki can be both simple and also quite complex depending on what you're doing, the guide is specifically there to help anyone get started and contribute, the more hands on the wiki the better :)

this channel is always here if you wanna ask literally any question about the wiki

just fire away bud

[graceful scaffold]

Hello Guys! Im creating a New article for a Challenge in Spanish (You have One day) i can see you can select the languaje on a box at the top of the article, how i add my translated page over there? Ty in advance!

Photo of the box im talking about

[fluid burrow]

I'm pretty sure this will help 😌 // https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Language_policy#Languages

[graceful scaffold]

Ty!

[fluid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/paripi-koumei-eiko-tsukimi-thumbs-up-anime-gif-25479338

[graceful scaffold]

It has taken us a while because we are stupid in programming, but we already figured out, ty again for the link!

@south hatch also figured out how to also show the current language on the box

[fluid burrow]

aw I'm glad you guys could get it done! good luck with your translating 😌

[south hatch]

Teamwork is dreamwork

[granite lion]

does this information help you? https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/vxiukf/comment/ih7dncj/ @languid kayak & @hollow folio ?

[hollow folio]

I might try that out once i make my own base. I distinctively remember that the sink refused to tap into the other nearby barrels though. Ill try it again though

[languid kayak]

Hi, I think I saw your edit, basically to translate a page, copy its content to pagenmame/es and start translating

There are quirks, but they can be ironed out, I should probably figure them out someday™ but take a look at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Language_policy and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Style_guide#Translations

Just keep in mind you don't edit themain pages at all 😛

[languid kayak]

That makes sense and correlated with what I experienced in-game, seems still that placind barrel directly above still don't work though?

Also, I wonder if there are any special quirks when one barrel is connected to two sinks?

[graceful scaffold]

I have already translated a few pages, but that style guide its gonna be really useful, ty for that

[shut bough]

At the cooking shows chicken noodle soup episode it says “broiled” instead of boiled lol

[obtuse field]

broiled is a real word that means grilled

[stable pond]

ye, it says broil the chicken, which is absolutely fine, think you misread what it says

regarding sinks, barrels CAN be placed directly above the sink now, this WAS a bug that has been patched in the last year

[stable pond]

yea pretty much exactly that, except the middle barrel is now working

[shut bough]

Oh. I hadnt known

[granite lion]

oh thanks for that! You are really living up to your name as sink lord!

[stable pond]

we talk about it a lot in #pz_b42_chat when people have trouble plumbing, it is a bit confusing at first but makes sense overall 👍
good images you found there btw

[languid kayak]

interesting; so if the middle one is working, it'd be the first used, hence "0" on that image?

[stable pond]

I haven't tested that specifically but one would assume so, depends how they 'patched' it I suppose

I'll probably have a play with it when I get 5 minutes if nobody else does before me

get the actual sequence written out and maybe an updated image

been thinking about making some informative images to share in #pz_b42_chat when people need help with things like plumbing, as I've done gifs for car fuelling and such

[languid kayak]

would be handy to have it on wiki even, you'll probably be the first one to do that though 😄

[restive adder]

Wiki going read only for a bit for update. Wish me luck, and fewer hours swearing at mediawiki for being obtuse today 🙂

[restive adder]

Wiki upgrade complete. Please let me know if you spot anything awry

[languid kayak]

Hm, I didn't get to updating https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Translation properly, but I think the recent Spanish translation kinda break the purpose and the names should be added to the database instead to be fetched instantly? e.g. https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Items/Food/es&curid=16837&diff=94579&oldid=94485

I wonder if that could be pulled from the database of current translation, I think vaileasys did that before but only for a few languages 🤔

So here directly: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Translation/es&action=edit I guess most people don't know it exist and how it works 😛 Seems it's mostly contributions by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jbzuynew but I don't think they are here in Discord? Might take a look later 👀

[clever relic]

yes, i am @clever relic, i merely changed some stuff anyways.

but thanks for noticing

[languid kayak]

oh, nice, thanks for responding 😄 I didn't find you through @ for some reason, glad you're watching it here too, saves me leaving a message on the pzwiki :).

Like I said, I didn't move toward getting Translation templates to work, it's on my TODO, but I believe you could basically add the items to https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Translation/es&action=edit to automatically be applied to all the pages that call the English name (may require purging the site with ?purge=1)

[clever relic]

Dont know tbh i merely know how to translate, 😅, ill leave that to @graceful scaffold he seems to be more dedicated and he is trying to add the missing Guns, vehicles, etc.. pages that are missing in the pzwiki.net/es

[languid kayak]

haha, that's enough already 😄 The template is convoluted, I alone had time to grasp it but the intention (I think) is to automatically apply it to all the pages, which is handy if the name changes (and you don't have to update it each time)

There are languages that don't use anything with this template too

[clever relic]

well it is what it is

[sinful badger]

hey guys I'm looking at modifying the Moodles page and was looking for some feedback. Currently for Panic and Stress it says the damage reduction is:

        moodle level
---1------2------3------4---
   0     0.1    0.2    0.3

but I think it should be:

        moodle level
---1------2------3------4---
   0     0.2    0.3    0.4

(similar change also for ranged, at panic level 3 it starts at -0.6 rather than -0.4)

Below is the code for where damage is calculated in SwipeStatePlayer. It shows that the damage reduction is 0.1 * MoodleLevel, but is only applied after level 1. So it wouldn't be applied at level 1, but when it's applied at level 2, it would be 0.2 rather than 0.1. It seems straightforward enough to me, but I'm not sure if there's some part of the calculation that I'm missing that led to the current values on the wiki.

[stable pond]

honestly this piece of code has baffled me for a while; it is what the wiki says regarding the moodle level, take a look at these images

the panic goes 0=none, 1= level 1, 2= level 2... etc

[stable pond]

so it says if the panic moodle is greater than level 1, take the moodle level and multiply by 0.1 and remove it from the damage

lets say my moodle level was 2

from this I think that

        moodle level
---1------2------3------4---
   0     0.2    0.3    0.3

is correct for panic (non gun)

but I'm still a bit confused on the damage calculation considering it's using the moodle level and subtracting not multiplying

[worthy igloo]

Decompiled code can have weird artifacts that the original code doesn't have FYI.

I wouldn't consider it a reputable source in the least.

[stable pond]

this is true also, but generally its quite accuracte, haven't seen an artifact yet but this could be it

also we were just discussing the plumbing sections on the wiki, it seems there's several places this information has been placed (rain barrel page, a plumbing page, pipe wrench page, etc), I'm going to turn them into links to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tiles/Plumbing rather than have lots of outdated information spread across these pages

[languid kayak]

zomboid open source when 👀?

[worthy igloo]

Well, the thing is I love the wizard of oz, and I know how much pulling back the curtain ruins things?

I don't believe that there should be a conveyor belt for every unicorn to the glue factory. I used to be into stage magic, and don't like the secrets being revealed, personally.

Albeit that is inconvenient for wikis and accountants.

[languid kayak]

Well, you kinda see all the inner workings now, unlike us mere mortals 😛

[worthy igloo]

Yeah, and I'm significantly more horrified by decompiler artifacts as a result 😄

I'm also from a weirdo extremist hardcore tabletop rpg background where blackbox design is seen as a feature and not a bug 😄

70s hilarious montage of character death dungeons and dragons.

TBH I'm far more of a tabletop pen and paper rpg design guy than I am a coder IMO 🤪

[languid kayak]

Well, as long as it's not security through obscurity guess it's fine 😛

[stable pond]

I've been testing this in debug with the provided damage numbers and a modified 1-1 saucepan with no crit, hitting a freshly spawned bathrobe zombie, resetting it after each hit to prevent the subsequent hit damage bonus. I gathered 10 hits for Panic level 0 and Panic level 4. There was a variance of 0.1 damage give/take (I assume because the range dwindled by ~0.2).

4 panic = ~1.1 damage
0 panic = ~1.5 damage

This seems to correlate with my findings above that the moodle level is used for the damage calculation, rather than a simple XX% reduction. The difference between those numbers is 0.4, which is the Panic moodle level 4 I was at, multiplied by 0.1 and deducted from the damage. If it was actually percentage based, I would be losing far more damage.

To this end I believe panic reducing by % is incorrect, it actually reduces by a flat amount based on the moodle level.

And as I've written this I just discovered somebody has changed the moodles page last month to reflect this.

[sinful badger]

you did more damage with Panic 4? I'm still very confused lol. If they're backwards then the difference being 0.4 would point towards what I said. I guess we have to just test everything in game, unfortunate. I think a non-swinging weapon is probably better for testing because of the way weapon range affects swinging attack damage

its definitely a flat reduction just the values I think are slightly off. I think this causes people to overvalue certain traits that affect these moodles when they have a greater impact than people think.

[stable pond]

sorry yeah you're right wrote them backwards

[sinful badger]

then that test, albeit maybe a bit of a small sample size, would seem to imply that it is 0.2/0.3/0.4, no?

[stable pond]

yeah as I said in that wall of text I think lol

[sinful badger]

cant tell if im being gaslighted by devs

I totally believe there are decompiler artifacts, just havent really experienced them personally

so you agree with the change of whats on the wiki then? Does anyone disagree? Devs?

the wiki i assume is based on the code, but it could be testing too i suppose

the "decompiled" code

[languid kayak]

Well, depends on what you mean by "based" – the wiki is based on edits from plethora of uses from different versions, so it depends™ 😛 There were some scripts used to automate the process, but they might be prone to errors (both human and software) or use old data so YMMV. Either way, you mean the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Moodles#Panic or some other page?

[shell quail]

The cairn item has no info on its page.

[languid kayak]

Well, the page doesn't exist, it has to be created by clicking the red link https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Cairn&action=edit&redlink=1

For the tiles/furniture there's no boilerplate yet though, so you'd have to use another page as reference sadly, these pages need some love, but feel free to create anything if you want, as long as some info is useful, it will get improved on eventually 🙂

[flat raven]

This doesn't... seem to make too much sense
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cheese_Sandwich

[stable pond]

why not?

[flat raven]

I personally wouldn't find much enjoyment eating a rotten grilled cheese

as apposed to a not rotten grilled cheese

[stable pond]

ah right, but no wiki problem

[flat raven]

I am almost certain that the numbers are presented wrongly

[stable pond]

we need the actual data which I assume is why it's like that in the first place, if you can find conflicting evidence it can be replaced

[flat raven]

I'm not sure how I would be able to find it's changes after rotting, but at least I can prove that it's cooked variant has a positive change for unhappiness

god I have a test tmr, why am I putting so much effort into CHEESE SANDWICHES?

[stable pond]

lol

yeah looks like the hunger is also different

[flat raven]

it's 1:30 am and I'm suppose to be studying
instead I spent 15 minutes looking up how to locate the items text document

[worthy igloo]

Sorry to be that guy, but due to fussy cooking simulation stuff, the values in game do not always match the values in the scripts. (it's complicated, and even if I remembered all the reasons and technicalitiesm explaining them would be difficult and I need to use my time elsewhere as I have a ton of b42 stuff to do that's consuming my attention)

I would suggest always double checking ingame with debug mode.

[tall spoke]

Hello there everyone, I am new here but I have been enjoying your game for many years. I saw on your website forum that you are looking for some help with updating the wiki. I would love to assist, but I do not know where to start! If anyone can provide some guidance, it would be much appreciated, and I will do my best to contribute to this game that has contributed so much to me!

[languid kayak]

If you know wiki editing, go straight to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects and choose a project to help (build 41 is close to being finished, but there's other that could use some help), we can set up new projects, too. For minor tasks there are some handy links in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal as well. Or obviously, you can just browse wiki and help updating pages to the newest version and/or fix typos or issues as you spot them 🙂

The language versions of pages need lots of love too, they are outdated and use old templates.

If you need help with mediawiki editing in general, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents is the way to go 🙂

[tall spoke]

Thank you!

[keen acorn]

Hi @languid kayak. I see you updated some of my recent changes to add the ".16" version number to the build number. I'll make sure I do this going forward.

[feral flame]

sorry wrong chan...

[languid kayak]

Cool 😄 Didn't want to bother you, but I guess it's better to state the minor revision now that we have it, especially as it's also stated at the https://projectzomboid.com/ and the "minor" revision used to bring some changes to the files as well

[restive adder]

minor is mostly bugfixes and tiny patches afaik, so probably not worth worrying about it too much

[sage badge]

Hi all! I was looking to get into contributing to the wiki, and was going to start with something small like the hand-held containers that don't have pages yet. I want to make sure I am formatting the pages correctly and what-not, so I'd really appreciate some help with that! I also noticed that there were two bags, the "Bowling ball bag" and "Doctor bag" that weren't on the wiki anywhere and was going to add them as well.

[keen acorn]

Hi @sage badge. Welcome aboard. Let us know if you have any questions, we're happy to help.

If you're new to wiki editing, I find it easier to start with editing an existing page first before creating a new one. Just to get the hang of what the different things do.

[sage badge]

Yeah, I looked at one of the other container pages to see what was being done to make it look that way, and it was a little intimidating, though I'm willing to learn it.

[keen acorn]

Interestingly, most of the things I had edited were changed in the latest minor revision.

I think the point was though that including the minor revision is a new addition and that we should be doing that going forward.

[keen acorn]

The good thing is once you figure it out all of the pages in the same category follow the same format so you'll be an expert in that in no time.

[sage badge]

I'm also curious about the doctor bag and bowling ball bag, has anyone seen those before? I only found out they existed when looking in the debug item menu. My friend said he found one while foraging, but I've never seen one myself. I thought they might've been a more recent addition since I didn't see them anywhere on the wiki.

[keen acorn]

You can browse the game files to find information on how these are distributed.

There's a reference to a doctor bag in VehicleDistributions.lua saying it can be found in VehicleDistributions.DoctorGloveBox.

Similarly the bowling bag is in the foraging definitions lua file, so that looks like it can only be found while foraging.

[sage badge]

ah, thanks

[keen acorn]

Hi @sage badge. I see you have made your first changes. Nice job!

[sage badge]

Thanks, I'm working on making a page for the Jockey helmet right now

[keen acorn]

Awesome

[languid kayak]

You can either use the existing page (which is the best way), or use boilerplate https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Boilerplates but there's none for container (yet).

[sage badge]

I saw a page using "see Item IDs" in place of the item IDs on the infobox panel and had a dedicated section for the IDs, and another that shows all variations in the infobox under technical details. Is there a preferred method between the two?

[keen acorn]

Good question. I'm not aware of a preference for either. Doesn't look like there's anything in the style guide either.

@sage badge reading the lunchbox article got me wondering why the pink lunchbox is so rare. Comparing the code for the two lunchboxes, it looks like the pink one doesn't make a sound. I'm not able to test this, but if it's true, it would make a good addition to the article.

item Lunchbox { DisplayCategory = Container, WeightReduction = 5, Weight = 1, Type = Container, Capacity = 4, DisplayName = Lunchbox, Icon = Lunchbox01, OpenSound = OpenBag, CloseSound = CloseBag, PutInSound = PutItemInBag, MetalValue = 15, ReplaceInSecondHand = Bag_Lunchbox_LHand holdingbagleft, ReplaceInPrimaryHand = Bag_Lunchbox_RHand holdingbagright, WorldStaticModel = LunchBox_Ground, } item Lunchbox2 { DisplayCategory = Container, WeightReduction = 5, Weight = 1, Type = Container, Capacity = 4, DisplayName = Lunchbox, Icon = Lunchbox02, MetalValue = 15, ReplaceInSecondHand = Bag_Lunchbox2_LHand holdingbagleft, ReplaceInPrimaryHand = Bag_Lunchbox2_RHand holdingbagright, WorldStaticModel = LunchBox2_Ground, }

[sage badge]

I'll load into a game and test it, if true, that would make for a good addition for a trivia section 👍

Sure enough, it doesn't seem to make any sounds when accessed unlike other bags

[slow hinge]

Hi, I need some help with map_xxxx_xxx.bin files, I want to wipe my mutiplayer hosted game, I have access only to the save.zip file, created by the server once I stop it. My players build their houses only in 1 chunk, but they already explore all the map, so, in order to add a MOD map I need to erase the map.bin files, I only want to KEEP the buildings they do, mabbe their inventory and cars too...

If they are in chunck 40,9 and the coordinates are 12000,2100,0 to 12300,2999,0 ... Can I assume than the files are map_1200_210.bin to map_1200_299.bin and again to map_1201_210.bin to map_1201_299 until map_1230_299.bin? Forgive my bad english, im from Mexico

[restive adder]

Hey, best to create a thread in #1019767076094758924

[regal flax]

re: Flashlights and Hand Torches - the data is wrong and I wanna fix it. I found 2 places - the Flashlighit page and the Light Sources page. HOWEVER before I did that - it seems like this wiki would work better if these things were built from data, that way it only needs to change in a single place and would get reflected elsewhere.

How big of a task is that?

[languid kayak]

yeah, noticed that too, I guess there's no preferred way yet indeed, though It'd be best to choose one eventually 🤔

[languid kayak]

some things are already like that, but sadly not for items, recipes for example

and translations

[sage badge]

Maybe for items that have many variations, such as the Jockey helmet should have a dedicated section, but ones with only one or two, such as the lunchbox shouldn't?

For ease of seeing which one corresponds with which variation

[versed epoch]

Good day everyone! Can somebody help me with translations, I found that Template:Translation does not include Template:Translation/uk, and translations in other templates doesn't work for Ukrainian language. But Template:Translation has been protected.

[versed epoch]

no, it is uk. Domain is ua, but language code is uk. It is confusing, but we have what we have.

[stable pond]

looks like /uk works but it simply isn't listed in the table, perhaps just needs adding to that table so people are aware? front page for example already has it being used

[versed epoch]

Yes, it is working in general, but {{Translation|some text}} And {{T|some page}} templates aren't working without uk being listed in Template:Translation.

[languid kayak]

Should be added now, let me know if it works! I wanted to point out that the names have to be added for {{T}} and {{Translation}} to work, but I saw you did edits. Let me know if they work or don't; might require ?purge=1 for it

[versed epoch]

It works, thanks a lot!

[unreal junco]

Hey guys, im currently doing a mall run in each mall, have been playing them on and off for the last few months, Ive noticed the wiki entries for the malls are pretty empty and filled with red text, I was hoping I could help fill out some of the stores and stuff

[drifting seal]

I might take a run through the script properties at a point in time and mark case-sensitive properties so people know which one are / aren't.

I believe this is already resolved for B42? Not sure.

Anyways this directly impacts my ongoing work involving scripts and I might do some work on those pages.

[fading urchin]

Hi! I found a duplicates in equipment. Tent kit page

[drifting seal]

I feel like this entry is way too vague: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scripts_guide/Item_Script_Parameters/ExplosionRange

[keen acorn]

Nice spotting. It looks like the pages for those were merged at some point. I restored the names in the navbox to remove the duplicates, but they still go to the same page. E.g. the three pen items are now "blue pen", "pen", and "red pen" but all go to the same page.

[drifting seal]

There seems to be missing categories for script blocks like animation.

[languid kayak]

Yeah, it's because the pages currently link to the same item and they are overwritten, it's kinda confusing indeed

btw, I started moving some of the alt images of icons done by @versed epoch to the main image, but now that I think about it, the model should be used as a main image indeed so I might give it a while. I should get back to it one day 😩 Though I see that someone else started uploading some models so that's good

[icy spire]

Not sure if you all are already aware but looks like someone changed all the literature to spanish: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/Literature

[sage badge]

I started uploading models and adding some stuff to categories to try and help with organising stuff, though the first few images I uploaded might be a bit too big in size. Each time I upload an image I get a little nervous that it might already be there just with a slightly different name 😅

[versed epoch]

This was my thought too so I decided to add an icon image to alt images, so in the future model picture will go as the main one. Should I add them as the main picture if there is no model?

[tall kiln]

does the wiki still say that thick/thin skinned changes the chance your clothes get torn by trees

oh it still does

that's silly

the way it describes graceful and clumsy's trip chances are also wrong

graceful does not multiply trip chance by 90%

it subtracts -10% from your trip chance

[sage badge]

a multiplication of 90% is the same as a subtraction of 10%

[tall kiln]

no it isn't

so if your trip chance is 10% according to your moodles and etc, if you believed the wiki then you would think it drops it to 9%

a difference of 1%

but what would actually happen

is it will subtract 10% from that 10%

that's 0%, you will never trip

same thing for clumsy but the other way around

if your trip chance is 0%, then clumsy will add 10%, that's 10% total

you will trip when you wouldn't trip without it

this is just plainly wrong

[sage badge]

Changing it yourself would be a better use of time than going into detail about it here

[tall kiln]

no im lazy

also it's more than just clumsy and etc

[sage badge]

[tall kiln]

lots of stuff in this page affect trip chance and i cant be bothered to look into all of them

[sage badge]

Oops, I accidentally uploaded a file with the wrong name, is there a way to change the name, or delete the file so I can upload one with the correct name?

The file name was "AerosolBombTimer_Model.png", it should be "AerosolBombSensor_Model.png" to match with the model's name

😓 I saw Aerosol Bomb w/ Timer when looking at the aerosol bomb's page and it must've been a little brainworm and made me write out the file name wrong

[sage badge]

AGH I did it again, I'll stop doing this while I'm doing something else at the same time.

[versed epoch]

There is a dropdown 'more' near the edit tab, and there is 'move' action to rename the page.

[sage badge]

Ahh, thank you so much!

[languid kayak]

We have a lot of duplicates already, but mostly it's not models :D. Icons should all be there though, I'm slowly ™ working on it, mostly got rid of some duplicates and I optimize and upload the current versions. I do keep track of it at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn

[drifting seal]

@cold kettle Do you have plans to document other areas of scripting such as animation / animationsMesh?

[cold kettle]

I think yes

[drifting seal]

Glad to hear. It's going to be used for my VSCode extension.

Links to official sources are provided in the documentation.

[keen acorn]

There wasn't a medical navbox, so I had a crack at creating one. I wasn't too sure on the categories, so I based it loosely off how the first aid page had them categorised. Happy for anyone to provide some feedback on it if they want. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_medical

I've updated a couple of pages to use this navbox and will plan to do more as time allows.

[languid kayak]

Thanks a lot! It was somewhere down on my todo list, glad it's created; it will allow us to eventually get rid of the old pre-41 navboxes 🙂

[keen acorn]

@languid kayak (Fix typo, we're not that far yet :))
oh dear 🤦‍♂️

[restive adder]

Wiki gonna go readonly for security update. Cue swearing at mediawiki's obtuse upgrade process

[sage badge]

There an estimate of how long it'll be read-only?

[restive adder]

Shouldn't be too long, up to half an hour, unless something goes wrong, in which case it'll be extended

[sage badge]

Alright, thanks 👍

[restive adder]

Okay should be up @sage badge

Let me know if you spot anything errant

[languid kayak]

Gladly the scope of the wiki is not that large so I can pixk those up one by one 😛

[sage badge]

I've got a strange issue, for two of the pages that I've uploaded pictures of the models for, the Crafted Trigger, and Scrap Metal, the image is not showing on the actual page. In the preview of the page when editing, however, it displays the image. It is also shown in the file list. I know that it's not only me, since I asked some friends if it didn't show for them either. Is it some weird delay before the image is like fully set in stone on the wiki or something?

[stable pond]

can you link one

I don't see any changes on the images used in those pages

[sage badge]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafted_Trigger

[stable pond]

yea I don't see your change in the changelog?

[sage badge]

weird

[stable pond]

I meant link the image you changed

[sage badge]

oh, I added an image, not changed the existing one

[stable pond]

so the page is likely still using the old referenced image

[sage badge]

Is it something you just need to wait out, or should I save my changes again

[stable pond]

so what you've done is add a brand new image to the wiki, but not put it anywhere

what are you trying to do? update them to be higher quality? I think faalagorn was looking at that

[sage badge]

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
I'm uploading pictures of the models of items, and adding them to the infoboxes of their respective wiki pages. When I did so with those two pages, it acts as if the file doesn't exist, it has the red text indicating a broken link instead. Despite the page showing a broken link, when going to the file list that shows every file uploaded to the wiki, the image appears there.

[stable pond]

ah so you are adding new content to pages, gotcha

[sage badge]

The file is clearly uploaded to the wiki, as you can follow the link to it: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TriggerCrafted_Model.png
however, the page treats it as if it doesn't exist

[stable pond]

did you edit the template for the infobox to allow for the new image

[sage badge]

I replaced what was already there with the new file's link

[stable pond]

I see, you are trying to put it in the big box here right

[sage badge]

yes

[stable pond]

yeah I see now

what if you change it to a pre existing image, does it work then?

basically, its only new images that aren't working? might need kirrus if so

[sage badge]

the page used to be:
|image = TriggerCrafted.png
It is now:

|alternate_image=TriggerCrafted.png 
|alternate_name=Crafted Trigger```

[stable pond]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:RIDAI

🤔

[sage badge]

The part that's most odd to me is that in the preview of the page that it shows when editing, it displays it properly

[sage badge]

...what???

that is so weird

[stable pond]

@restive adder not sure why a pre-existing page won't show a new image change? i copy pasted the page to my own user
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafted_Trigger
vs
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:RIDAI

[sage badge]

Yeah, it's very odd

[stable pond]

link is also different?

[sage badge]

well, that's linking to the crafted trigger page, it shows as black on the trigger's page because you are already there, pretty sure

[stable pond]

oh of course yea

[restive adder]

There are elements that are cached, so it can take time for some changes to take effect

[stable pond]

im on my user page duh

[restive adder]

especially *images

[stable pond]

but cached on one page and not another?

oh right

[restive adder]

Yeah, if you're actively editing it bypasses cache

[sage badge]

oh good, so it is just a thing you gotta wait out, good to know

[stable pond]

its just weird to me the user page is instant and the pre existing is not

[restive adder]

you can try adding a random query string at the end of the page to see if that fixes it like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafted_Trigger?here=thjd

or in the image itself

[stable pond]

can see that doesn't work

the image itself is OK

we can see it

[restive adder]

but yeah, images are typically cached for a long time because they don't change much and we get a lot of traffic

I can purge all the caches.. sec

okay, purged the caches. May take up to 30s to take full effect

[stable pond]

are user profiles not subject to such caching perhaps?

[restive adder]

not as much for sure

[stable pond]

yea that fixed the main page

gonna keep doing my edits on my user page 😆

[restive adder]

you can add ?action=purge at the end of the page and it'll try to clear all the caches, but don't think it can clear cloudflare

*at the end of the page url, in your address bar

[stable pond]

CloudFlare's API provides a function which can purge an individual file,[5] but there is currently nothing available to invoke this API automatically from MediaWiki. As a result, a wiki behind CloudFlare will continue to display outdated versions of content until the data expires from cache normally. See bugzilla:62356.

ah

[restive adder]

And the reason why we have caching.. the wiki had 4,760,000 requests in the last 24 hours. The map dwarfs that significantly but still

[stable pond]

for sure always have caching

just nice to work around it when necessary, but mediawiki and cloudflare don't integrate too well, but it is what it is, just wait a bit

[languid kayak]

So @sage badge the issue solved itself? I missed it entirely

[sage badge]

oh, yeah, was some issue with caching or something, I'm not the most technically litterate

[languid kayak]

Caching is Kirrus' jobs, it's set up rather on heavy side on the pzwiki for the reasons above 😄

[granite lion]

nice! Yes, please go right ahead (if you haven't already). Your contributions are welcome 🙂

[languid kayak]

btw @restive adder - can you take a look how spaces/%20 translate in the URLs? Currently when you access https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main Page (with space) it throws 403 Forbidden while in other Wikis it changes it to _ (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main Page. Something with htaccess maybe?

[restive adder]

They might have put an explicit override in. Will put on todo list but gonna be a while

[languid kayak]

no worries, thanks!

[languid kayak]

@quartz bear you still need https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Alluseri/Btest ? As I was thinking of removing the page just for the sake of getting rid of old icons, as I update the page each time they change 😛

[languid kayak]

other pages are fine, it's just that subpage that uses old images 😛

[paper willow]

Hello everyone, i see that some pages are not translate in french on the wiki and i think i could do that.
For exemple "Knox infection" page. When i click on it in french (red highlighted) i arrive on a blank page where i can edit the page.
Can i just edit it like that or is there another way to give translation?
I'm not really use to edit wiki so i'm afraid to make mystake.
Thank you!

[plush rock]

Hi, I would like to translate some articles in the spanish wiki and write about the lore, what steps or rules I must follow?

[languid kayak]

If the link ends up in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Infection/fr then it's the right one, feel free to copy and translate the main page, if not, I'll probably move it to that place since it's the proper place for the style guide 🙂

French isn't the most terrible, but the language variants of wiki are often well behind the English one sadly

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Style_guide#Translations for the most part, but there's some info scattered here and there too

[plush rock]

thanks!

[paper willow]

Thank you very much! 🙂

[plush rock]

In there, I can find the actual lore?

[languid kayak]

In the English page? I guess, whatever we have 😄 Some lore is hidden in the radio and TV texts mostly, guess we'll get more in the upcoming patches though

[drifting seal]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scripts_guide/Item_Script_Parameters

This page has duplicate property entries where generic properties are also on specific item types as well.

(Alcoholic for example)

It's on Food and Normal.

I'm fixing any minor errors when I spot them.

@cold kettle Are these properties supposed to be redundant on this page?

For example, Count is bulleted ~20 times in multiple item categories.

If it's in the Normal item Type, wouldn't it make sense to only list it there?

Soo I shouldn't remove the duplicate bulleted entries on this page?

I'm going to leave this alone on the wiki. My curated and transcribed library of this documentation removes duplicate property entries.

[drifting seal]

I've modified a couple dozen item-script property pages, cleaning up some broken English and non-consistent punctuation.

[restive adder]

Thanks!

[drifting seal]

No problem. I told Aiteron that I'd be going over all of this. The work on the wiki is now being forwarded to VSCode via extension I wrote so that users can get the most out of it.

[restive adder]

Nice!

[drifting seal]

Here are a few pictures.

[drifting seal]

@cold kettle Let me rephrase my question. What is the reason why properties listed in item-type categories are redundant? I'm seeing a lot of the same properties that are listed under Normal and that means that every type supports those properties. It seems redundant.

[cold kettle]

Hmmm

[drifting seal]

If I wasn't informed on how things work with item scripts, I'd be confused to think that there's a reason for it being listed under a specific category.

[cold kettle]

I will think about changing it in future 🙂

[drifting seal]

Since I have the ability to edit the wiki, would I be able to make this decision or will this need to be yours?

[cold kettle]

You can change it 🙂 It will be cool. Too busy now for do wiki stuff

[drifting seal]

I'm going to do a run through the properties specifically to note which ones are case-sensitive at some point.

[drifting seal]

Okay cool.

Works well since I'm also transcribing them to my VSCode extension.

Thanks.

[forest flume]

hey guys, I just made a server to play with my friends and I had a lot of problems and I believe the wiki dedicated server wiki has some errors. I had already made a local server in my windows computer, so I wanted to make it in my personal linux server, so it could be run 24/7 and me and my friends could play whenever they want. I did all the configuration as the wiki said, the server started, but when I put my custom config with mods, the server didnt want to start. I spent like 8 hours debugging this, and at the end I discovered that the wiki says that you install the server in /opt/pzserver. But if you do this, for some reason, you cannot put mods in the server or the server wont be able to download them. For putting on mods, I had to uninstall the pzdedicated server, and let steam install the tool by itself in the default path. Then it worked flawlessly. This is nowhere around the wiki or any forum (trust me, I did a lot of research)

[fierce turtle]

I noticed that Nimble also reducing steps sound while in combat stance.
Checked in debug mode and it's really worked.
No idea about values, maybe someone with decompiled code can check that.

[restive adder]

That’s weird, server in /opt definitely should be able to install mods. Checked permissions? Or do you have a security monitor running?

[forest flume]

I dont have any security monitor, permissions should be ok as I followed instructions of the wiki

I did everything as "pzuser"

you can tell me wich permissions should I check

[drifting seal]

@cold kettle This file is definitely subject to change.. however this may be useful for future work for anyone really..
https://github.com/asledgehammer/ZedScript-VSCode/blob/main/src/scope/item/ItemProperties.ts

It's a compilation of the item script properties so far.

Working on fine-tuning multi-category item properties and adding deprecated properties when spotted.

About two weeks of work. Heh.

I'm using categorical sorting for the VSCode extension so only relevant item properties are suggested where it makes sense.

That's why I raised the prior questions.

[drifting seal]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scripts_guide/Item_Script_Parameters/BulletOutSound

Huh..

"Not used in game at this moment."

I'm guessing this will be a weapon property.

Also ImpactSound

[naive rock]

the wiki has been looking a lot better as late in terms of accurate, detailed, and up to date info. Nice work everyone!

[languid kayak]

Yeah, wiki's finally at the point that almost everything is updated for some version of b41 version now, main exception being some language ones which I try to at least clean up and get rid of old crust. There's still some items missing and some guides are slightly inaccurate, but other than that, I was slowly thinking of closing the b41 update project notice at the top of the wiki 😛

[languid kayak]

Well, did some cleanup for my TODO list on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn and now I'm at over 50% of the newest and optimized version of item icons uploaded.

BTW EasyPickens isn't on Discord, but I asked already once about the 32x31 or 31x32 icons that TileZed exports – I see that sometimes the icons are 1 or so pixel off what was uploaded previously and, in extreme cases, for some unused RJ's farming/camping icons they seem to be cropped wrong, I documented that in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/Unused_icons kinda.

I'll probably fill an issue in https://github.com/timbaker/tiled/issues eventually, but if anyone could check if could forward that to EasyPickens or check/explain if it's a game version difference or some bug with exporting PNGs through TileZed, let me know!

I used the most recent version (I think 64-bit) shipped on Steam https://steamdb.info/app/380880/depots/ though I tried to compiling it manually on Linux following instructions on https://github.com/timbaker/tiled#compiling, but couldn't get it to work due to some issue sadly – I might try again to see if that makes any difference…

[restive adder]

If you can write up a discrete summary, filing a bug works and then ping me, I can pass it to the devs to check for you

[languid kayak]

I will, maybe not today, as I'm taking break for today's cleaning up of things on wiki, so hard for me to focus to write a detailed bug report and re-test things, if you want you can screenshot this message in the meantime, but if not I will probably remind myself that whenever I'll have some extra free time again 🙂

In the meantime, I cleanup up https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/Unused_icons a little too

Probably something I'll move to the main space, similar to Vaileasys' https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_List which I have to update too, as it misses few new items added since (bowling bags, gasoline bottles, dufflebags and athletic t-shirts)

(and a few renames)

Anyone can tell what item is this? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TshirtStriped.png Is it removed? I can't find it in the game files and anywhere else, but I might be blind 🤔

[royal sluice]

Based on the now-reverted edit that added it, Base.Tshirt_PoloStripedTINT. The page was edited with "Fixed the wrong icon" which changed it to the generic t shirt icon, though

[royal sluice]

So maybe the item was not removed, but the icon itself may have become obsolete

[languid kayak]

it seems not in game files now, so I'd have to try icons from old game version to confirm, but it makes sense

[languid kayak]

just found it: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ShirtTwoColour.png

[languid kayak]

Anybody have an use for the legacy (pre 41) item page? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/legacy I've been tempted to nuke it, it's been marked for deletion for 20 days now and it requires maintenance with updating images (which in turn get outdated too, and so do links to items) and now that 41 have MP and is stable, I doubt we need build 40 pages anymore?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items page is the current one and has all the items already.

Some language pages are based on the old revisions of the items page, but that's irrelevant and just need to be updated separately

There's also https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/legacy/zh

[languid kayak]

Hm, I just found https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Broken_Glass&curid=14381&diff=101123&oldid=77759 - on one hand, I wanted to revert it, being sure that the wiki uses UK English as I spotted it (which is slightly different than the game, that tried to use US English mostly, except internal file names, as the game's UK-developed originally), but then I realized there's no such rule in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Style_guide

I guess one variant should be decided, I'd say a US one would be preferred since item names are US English anyway and for UK English there's https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/tree/master/EN UK somewhere down the line

[languid kayak]

BTW, I think we should get back to putting models first in the infobox for food items, for some reason it was reverted for some items and moved to gallery - one reason might be that there's multiple variants for some items (e.g. regular, rotten, cooked, burnt), but in those cases I think the best way would be to put the regular item and all icons to the infobox and other models to the gallery. Pinging you @sage badge as you upload most of the models nowaday 😛

Oh, I see you already did it like that for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Empty_Jar 😛

[sage badge]

👍

It seemed like the most logical way to do it lol, considering most other pages that had models used it as the main image with all the other icons as the alternate images

[languid kayak]

There are gif (or apng) animations for some items, but I'm rather for the alternative icons/gallery with animations reserved to pages where the space is actually limited 😛

[languid kayak]

Well, I tried compiling the tilezed from source now to see if I can replicate the issue with the newest version – it seemed I was missing a dependency to compile it, which I figured and made a PR mentioning it here: https://github.com/timbaker/tiled/pull/4 but when I launched the application I encountered this issue: https://github.com/timbaker/tiled/issues/5

[versed epoch]

Just out of curiosity, I spotted that you opened issue and PR to timbaker fork and not in main repo, why is that?

[sage badge]

Should the large gun case and the small gun case be separated into two different pages? I assumed that they should since on the equipment page only the pistol case's IDs are listed, but I figured I should make sure here first. They do share the same name though, so maybe would want them on the same page?

[languid kayak]

I'd separate them. Not really a fun of combined article for different items, unless they are really really similar 😛

Especially as now they can be similar but then diverge a lot. I've been thinking of separating scarvs for example, as they all differ with properties. I even submitted a PR for translations/item names: https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/pull/939/files#diff-2620535e202cbacb2643cef2532f902fa57785afa8d56c4075300332cb447d57R1435

btw @vital raptor I saw you deleted https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Soviet_Union_Flag so I guess https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stars_and_Stripes_Flag should be adjusted to (I removed the link to the soviet union flag from the wiki). There's also one page that's been bothering me, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Achievements - at least it should be moved in case real achievements get added at one point (there's several mods that add them).

Wiki does cover some mods though https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Hydrocraft https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Greenfire or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modded_Weapons so I wonder if I should outright remove it or move elswhere (though the quality of the page is sadly low and it's mixed with English and Spanish) 🤔.

[languid kayak]

Gonna redirect https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Pile_O’_Crepe&oldid=86867 to Pile o' Crepe but it seems we got the same work being done twice, including screenshots 😛

[buoyant swift]

nice

[languid kayak]

There also seems to be an issue with names having ' and some are written using the simplified ' and some with the proper apostrophe ’, I think I'm gonna move the page names to ' as that's what people will use e.g. https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Smokey’s_Saloon_%26_Restaurant&redirect=no, though I am a fan of using proper unicode characters such as apostrophes, quote marks, ellipses etc. i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

Although I'm open for suggestions, can either use {{DISPLAYTITLE}} for proper names or redirect the other way around; from simple ones to the proper ones 🤔

Actually, I'll take a look how Wikipedia does it

Yeah, seems the typewriter is for the actual pages and the proper for redirects 😛 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wendy’s&redirect=no

[languid kayak]

Also @restive adder nothing really to worry about, as my browser keeps the cache and I have to resend it again, but I do sometimes get session loss. I also sometimes do get some cloudflare errors lately, again, nothing to worry about, but just in case you're not aware, pinging you it's happening from time to time briefly when editing the wiki 🙂

[languid kayak]

@steady rain I just revamped the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_businesses and added some existing pages on it, but I wonder, how to split it? I originally thought about splitting them by location (General, Muldraugh, Riverside, Lousiville North etc.) - then we'd have to split Hit Vids to be at multiple locations (currently it's at one). Thoughts?

[sage badge]

I'm also a little conflicted on how the large gun case should be named, I was thinking maybe just "Gun Case (Large)"? or even just "Large Gun Case" but both just don't really feel... right? I was wondering if maybe someone else had a better idea for what to call it, since something like rifle case doesn't really fit since it spawns with rifles and shotguns.

[steady rain]

Think the way you did it now looks good - there is a main location article and then the relevant subarticles for indidual locations of a given chain. Makes good sense to me. Thanks for the work.

[languid kayak]

Yeah, but with more and more locations it could surely could use splitting like e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_equipment - I think having subcategories by location would be the best?

[restive adder]

Session loss? Cloudflare errors ? Can you screenshot an error and send it to me if you see it again?

[sage badge]

Just created the bowling ball bag page, wanted to apologize for the fuckery with the image names for the models, was trying to read something else while doing this and messed up when typing out the names, I'm gonna clear my head and return to the wiki later, sorry!

[languid kayak]

The session loss I didn't think I took a screenshot of, it's when editing a page and saving, not sure if it's 100% not something on my side, but it happens only on PZwiki I believe

Now I got this

When clicking "Show changes" button when editing. Next click was okay.

[restive adder]

Can you click the show ip and then send that and the screenshot in a dm to me? will take a look tomorrow/monday, at limit today already

[drifting seal]

Wait.. why delete the Soviet Union flag?

[languid kayak]

Is it vanilla item?

[drifting seal]

The way it was worded sounded like it is but I don't know

[languid kayak]

haha, np, you fixed it up though, I'll just delete the redirects 🙂

[sage badge]

Even with the redirects I screwed it lol, they were supposed to all be named in the same way as the black bag, as in BowlingBagBlack, but I think I did BowlingBallBag instead

just had a brain fart when doing it

[drifting seal]

Sort of scary to think about how much work the wiki will need when b42 goes into beta.

[sage badge]

All the more reason to try and at least get it fully updated to b41 before that happens lol

[drifting seal]

I'm doing wiki edits for ZedScript

[languid kayak]

Fixed that too 🙂

[sage badge]

Thanks, I'll make sure to pay attention next time I do the image names lol :)

[languid kayak]

Yeah, was literally thinking about it today, but it's been plaguing my mind before too 😛

Right now I'm trying hard to clear up what we currently have though it's still quite a work.

All the carpentry revamp will be big enough yet we're still stuck with recipes using old templates, especially in regional variants 😩.

The good thing is that I'm close to finish clearing up the item icons, so maybe I'll get onto it, though there's still some things todo https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn#TODO_–_general_wiki_maintenance

[languid kayak]

no worries, it's all to be fixed 🙂 Also, I never really settled on a standard way to naming all the things. Vaileasys made some good cleaning up, but it never finished, also I guess it's not that important anyway

[languid kayak]

You meant those three? I'd have to see how it is in-game, but I see the lunchbag have one page 🤔

[sage badge]

I meant the large gun case which uses the same model as the flight case and has a higher capacity than the smaller one, it uses the IDs of RifleCase1-3 and ShotgunCase1-2

[sage badge]

So they would be two separate pages as was already considered to be the best choice, I was just a little conflicted on what the call the larger variant. I haven't changed the values to capacity and what-not yet, so those aren't accurate.

[languid kayak]

oh, that'd make sense. Definitely worth adding it to the list, since it isn't there

Actually, wait

there are Shotgun and Revoler cases

[sage badge]

yes,I was just about to comment on that lol

[languid kayak]

so I'd be Gun Case (pistol), (revolver), (shotgun)

or (Pistol)

[sage badge]

Well, the cases are identical, the reason they have the different IDs is because it tells the game what specific gun to spawn them with, at least that's what I assume

The revolver and pistol cases are functionally the same

[languid kayak]

Might be Gun Case, Gun Case (Rifle) and Gun Case (Shotgun) for now then

[sage badge]

The rifle and shotgun cases are also identical to each other, it also just tells it what gun to spawn with lol

I suppose I could've been more clear with my previous message

For right now, I'll save the edit with just the bowling ball bag added to the list

[languid kayak]

ah, makes sense, probably me being tired and not reading between the lines :D. Though it makes sense indeed, 4 types but two variants

so small/large makes sense

[languid kayak]

Okay then, all the item icons are optimized and uploaded to the most current version 🙂 Now I'll have to figure out why few are 32x31 or 31x32px and few off by one pixel (is it a game bug or not), maybe find a way to upload old icons (I uploaded most I found, only old Bowl/BowlFull are there) and then off to removing old duplicated ones and replacing them with the shiny new ones :).

Gonna take a closer look at the icons tomorrow, gonna go sleep now

[languid kayak]

@restive adder Do you have any insight how much traffic goes from the images on the main page? I've been thinking of optimizing them, but I see that they are already scaled by MediaWiki, so I guess imagemagick/graphicsmagick does its work here, and I've been thinking of uploading sizes that are directly used so scaling won't happen. Especially the rounded buttons:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:LocationsImg200.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:GameModesImg200.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:VehicleImg200.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ItemImg200.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:FurnitureImg200.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Modding200px.png
(these are not scaled by MediaWiki, but instead all 200px scaled using background-size: 100px and then rounded using border-radius: 50px by browser, so they load 1:1)

And icons:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:DiscordLogo64.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:RedditLogo64.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:FacebookLogo64.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TwitterLogo64.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:YouTubeLogo64.png
(these are 64px scaled down to 25px)

and
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Steam_icon_logo.png 512x512
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Humble_logo.png 256x256
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:GOG.com_Logo.png 250x238; oddly non-square
(these are scaled down to 32x32px (32x30 for GOG) on the main site, but are also used on Infoboxes, but I don't mind having two variants for those so they don't scale for the main site).

I guess it's still worth optimizing for the sake of it, but I also wonder how much traffic is there to be saved in the first place; if you have any metrics would be interesting to share as to where the focus is worth it 😄 – Especially as I wonder if it will have any tangible effects, such as actually faster page loads, less cache hits or lower costs/more bandwidth for other PZ things 🤔

Google's PageSpeed says there's some room for improvements, especially when it comes to the images, especially for mobile folks: https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-pzwiki-net-wiki-Main_Page/h64i1pco75?form_factor=mobile

[vital raptor]

I think the Achievements page is pretty irrelevant. Making it something like "the game does not have official achievements at this time blabla but here are mods that do it" could work, but not a fan of the wiki endorsing any officially. Pointing to some probably fine

[languid kayak]

Well, I guess it's best to just remove it then along with the images I guess? As far as I don't want to take away of someone's work, it doesn't belong on Wiki I believe, especially at that quality

[vital raptor]

Your call

[naive rock]

Okay so. I think something is wrong with the section on panic. I know that the code says that it should be a 0.6 damage penalty at strong panic, and a 0.8 penalty at extreme panic, but testing has shown thats not the case

Using a gun that I removed the crit chance and random damage from, I tested it at 0.5, 1, and 2 damage

At 0.5 damage it dealt .32 damage at no panic, .13 damage at strong panic, and .063 damage at extreme panic

At 1 damage it dealt .63 damage at no panic, .44 damage at strong panic, and .38 damage at extreme panic

At 2 damage it dealt 1.26 damage at no panic, 1.07 damage at strong panic, and 1.01 damage at extreme panic

This doesnt follow what this segment of the code says it does, but the testing for this is easily repoduceable, and I would like to hazard a guess that there might be another factor at play that hasnt been found yet, resulting in this discrepancy between what actual debug testing shows and what the code seemingly says

The testing was done at level 0 aiming, I just set the guns hit chance to 200 so that it would always hit in testing

[languid kayak]

Was probably the best idea; the page is pretty blank but I guess it's better as removing it altogether as some will stumble upon it 🤔.

As much as I hate removing someone's stuff, I pulled the trigger and removed the screenshots as well as they didn't brought anything useful really, were just full-size screenshots in other languages slapped on the page that were quite heavy anyway; can't even ping @moitorrecruz81 as it's not a Discord handle and we don't even have anyone like that here I think 😛

The wiki does keep a copy though, and I do have them copied just in case, but the mod wasn't even linking so might as well be outdated at that point anyway and there are (or at least were) other, potentially better/not worse quality mods for achievements out there for PZ

[languid kayak]

I am going to update remaining Japanese pages using https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:RecipeOnly to recipes https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting_see_also as they seem to be used, but before I remove the template, is there a reason to use it instead of the {{Crafting xxx}}} instead? @digital helm maybe you know? (Though it was created back in 2013 by Itok; not sure they are on this Discord 🤔)

[languid kayak]

Sorry, forgot to take screenshot of that back then; now I got the other error, though It was me doing something in the background with the page open. When I clicked it again, everything saved fine though.

[languid kayak]

Well, the real last page that uses the template is the Crafting/ja https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:RecipeOnly but it's a lot of work and too much translated info to just scrape it 😩. The problem with RecipeOnly template is that by default it uses the image which matches the name of the item, which would be fine, but we went the route of the file names for everything else, so currently it requires two images for that page alone, removing it would allow to remove most of them :P. I could manually add the current image links for items (or make redirects from the autopopularte and keep the template for the time being, but that's a lot of work for the stuff that's going to be replaced eventually anyway, so I'll guess I'll focus on something else; at least not for that moment.

Unless anyone from Japan wants to improve on, then feel free to port it to the new template, the Japenese guys have a lot of the new templates already translated, which is a good start 🙂

Changing topics; I wonder if these will get updated with Build 42 fishing revamp 🤔. Currently there are the same for every fish and duplicated in game files:

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:FishCooked.png
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:FishOverdone.png
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:FishRotten.png

[unreal herald]

I retested this using a box as shown so the zombie was aggroed onto me.

I used an m9 and got identical results

It should also be noted that I did not change hit chance or crit chance, but rather removed any outliers from the data set

---

fun side note, zombies seem to take ~50% more damage regardless of crit when hit from behind

[icy quarry]

hello guys, I'm new over here.. how can i help translating to Portuguese-Brazil?

[languid kayak]

Gonna go to sleep now, I don't think pt-br is implemented in wiki, though you can start translating by doing /pt-br for the pages, similar how https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page/zh-cn does it 🙂

There's regular portugese at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page/pt though

[languid kayak]

https://discord.com/blog/usernames - I'll have to change the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_discord when it finishes 😛

[languid kayak]

@restive adder Can you upload it to the to the root folder of the wiki? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_icon_in_the_browser's_address_line_(favicon)?

May not be the best image, as it's the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Pzwlogo.png scaled down using NoHolo on Gimp and compressed using zopfli using https://github.com/optidash-ai/icopack following the https://optidash.ai/blog/optimizing-favicons-for-the-worlds-top-500-websites but it should serve its purpose of being a favicon 😛 It's 18826 bytes which is on the large scale, but no so terrible; maybe I'll come with some smaller icon (without the title?) down the line

But would be nice to see it working in the first place 🙂

[restive adder]

was thinking of adding the tis piefavicib

[languid kayak]

might not be a bad idea too; can compress that if needed

[drifting seal]

This page is innacurate: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding:Lua_Events/OnPreFillInventoryObjectContextMenu

'player' is a numeric value.

The edit link seems to pull up an empty text field.

[flat sun]

OnDeviceText and OnWaterAmountChanged are also outdated - i sent a pull request to resolve those but it seems to have been overlooked

[languid kayak]

Now that I think of, is it possible change $wgfavicon https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFavicon to point directly to https://projectzomboid.com/favicon.ico maybe? - might even save some traffic for the server by doing so 🤔

[restive adder]

yes, but i'd rather not. leave it with me for a bit

[languid kayak]

out of cusiosity, that's how it looks like with the both icons on my Firefox, so I guess the small PZwiki logo is not to clear anyway 😛

(with the dev tools)

[drifting seal]

Is there any way for me to modify the page I listed earlier?

[restive adder]

That page is auto generated;

<!--
WARNING: This page is auto-generated. Don't edit directly or your modifications will get lost!
WARNING: To update this page please contact co`#2932 on discord, or make a pull-request directly at:
WARNING: - https://github.com/quarantin/pzwiki
WARNING:
WARNING: The relevant files can be found here:
WARNING: - https://github.com/quarantin/pzwiki/blob/main/data/json/events.json
WARNING: - https://github.com/quarantin/pzwiki/blob/main/data/json/see_also.json
-->

@young patrol 🙂 ⤴️

[drifting seal]

Hmm..

He doesn't work on PZ projects these days..

That becomes a concern when situations like these occur.

[flat sun]

yeah, i sent a pull request about some of these issues last year 😅

[drifting seal]

Partly why I edit the wiki is to keep my documentation in sync with the official documentation. These pages being automated presents an issue or a delay in keeping things synchronized so modders don't become confused or are mislead by faulty documentation.

I don't mind fixing what I see is wrong however If I can't fix then it will likely breed issues for modders going forward.

[drifting seal]

Soooo is this not an official wiki?

Realizing this wiki is a product of co`

Either way I bump-commented your preq @flat sun

[restive adder]

If @young patrol isn't able to update or keep it updated we can pull it. Should be able to see the <!-- comment tags in edit, not sure why it's showing up as blank, might need to test with test account

@drifting seal When you're editing the page, what are you seeing? I've logged in with a test account and can see content. We should also wait a little to see if Co is able to come back and fix, or if we should pull/remove autogenerated pages

[restive adder]

You're editing the template, not the page

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Modding:Lua_Events/OnPreFillInventoryObjectContextMenu&action=edit should be the page?

[drifting seal]

I see. How did you get to this?

Another edit button?

Seems confusing to edit a section in a page and it leads to a template. That's probably what got me confused.

[restive adder]

the page edit button, top right

[drifting seal]

Thanks. If I edit this now will it be overridden by a generated update?

[restive adder]

Aye, that is confusing 😦

If an update is generated using Co's code, yes

[drifting seal]

That's what I thought. Editing this could be a waste of time if that happens.

Thanks for clarifying.

I don't mind waiting on co`. Just concerned for the reasons stated.

[restive adder]

If the code works could fork the repo, update the relevant scripts, and use it. Would need to create a user and give it bot perms -- co uses cobot -- which overrides rate limits on the API

[drifting seal]

I'd say that'd be the right way to go since co` doesn't actively work on PZ stuff now.

I plan on writing guides among additions to pages that may be automated.

Since the Typescript modding scene is taking flight again I might add information for it as well.

[restive adder]

If you wanna take over it, i'm happy to add bot perms on a bot user of your choice, or I can fork and run it, accepting PRs, but my python skills have long since atrophied

[drifting seal]

IIRC you're retired however wouldn't you want the fork to be on an account for TIS?

I don't mind lending a hand if it helps out the modding community.

[restive adder]

I'm not retired, I work for TIS, but my specialty is in maintaining systems rather than coding! Been looking into it trying to understand how it works, not sure how the json files are being generated from the class files

[drifting seal]

Good to know. You don't have a red role tag so that's what I thought.

Yeah maybe on a weekend I can sit down and look at it.

[restive adder]

Aye, I'm not a coder, but basically any problems with the sites or wiki is on me. I deal with upgrading and maintaining pzwiki's mediawiki, which is a PITA because mediawiki

Dropped moderator here for my mental health, being a moderator is a horrible horrible task

[drifting seal]

Big indie game. Not surprised.

Can't always be lovely.

[restive adder]

I'm a mod on reddit still though try not to do too much

Can follow the Python okay, it's not too bad, though no comments anywhere. Not sure how well I'll be able to modify it. Apparently I didn't forget all that much! Used to make websites in plone a decade and a half ago. Main thing I'm missing is a class 2 json generator -- converting the java class files into the json files the code is running through. Haven't looked at the mediawiki interface code yet

[drifting seal]

What exactly needs to be modified in Python?

I sit down and constantly churn away at converting code through languages or writing generated code solutions / tools.

Commenting is unfortunately rare, rarer in hobby projects.

[restive adder]

Mainly it's about maintaining it into the longterm, doesn't look like it'll need modifying now, looks fine. Depreciation stuff might need tweaking

[drifting seal]

That's good to hear.

[restive adder]

There's a few of us who work support/QA/etc tasks for TIS who don't have red tags, mostly red is for committers iirc

[drifting seal]

Technically I don't mod the game. (Traditional sense for PZ modding). Modders are my players because I always work on tools. This make the documentation much more critical for me, especially getting the right documentation.

That's why I'm poking around the wiki a bit. =)

Aiteron got the ball rolling for script property documentation which is fantastic.

One of the best things to happen for any modding support in several years for sure, along with updating the JavaDocs which wasn't done since 2015 IIRC.

[restive adder]

Aye, we're trying to update the JavaDocs at least once every major release, if not more now. Can always poke me if you think they need doing again

[drifting seal]

Noted. Good to know who to talk to about that.

[restive adder]

Did think about automating it through jenkins but probably overkill

[drifting seal]

I know your game originally used SVN but it uses a git now IIRC.

[restive adder]

Well, no, definitely overkill

Went back to SVN, think there was a git merge disaster and everyone decided SVN was saner for the workflow

[drifting seal]

Huh. I always think of SVN as a dying source control solution but I keep seeing it pop up.

I think BitBucket has SVN as an option.

[restive adder]

It's surprisingly decent at just doing one thing and one thing well

Git is good, but god can it be a complex piece of shit sometimes fighting with it, especially if you're not using something like github with its GUI helpers

[drifting seal]

You'd need more rounded knowledge of git to avoid those nuclear moments.

I had all the fair share of those experiences, even with official work.

SourceTree is always a good GUI helper for those just starting.

[restive adder]

Since most have a lot of good experience with SVN here, and it's got some useful tools, its been fine. I know some IDEs have some useful tools, I liked one of Atom's git helper plugins last time I had to do a lot in git

[drifting seal]

Yeah. I used SVN for past projects. It's ancient but stable.

Git is wieldy.

It was made for the Linux Kernel.

[restive adder]

Aye, Linus got annoyed at none of the source control software doing what he wanted for advanced project control. Gits got some nice bonuses. Used its hooks to allow you to deploy to a hosting platform via git&ssh before, not that many people used it afaik, most used SFTP

[drifting seal]

I'm curious to know if TIS ever used the blame feature for Git.

I'm still waiting to see it happen in realtime for any project in Git that I'm involved with.

https://git-scm.com/docs/git-blame

[restive adder]

Not sure, think we have similar available via SVN tools

[languid kayak]

I haven't tested it myself, but it seems there's a script for it though? And it's public https://github.com/quarantin/pzwiki/blob/main/wiki.py

[languid kayak]

Even though the page says that, the edits have to be done using user (or bot, doesn't matter, though he doesn't have one I think?) account, so your edit would still stay in the history

oh nvm, he does have a bot, yeah 😄

[languid kayak]

Can agree, though I'm surprised you didn't find some good Git to SVN tool, though as long as it's backed up I guess it's fine 😄

And indeed, I never got to get all the git quirks, I used an SVN before briefly, but nowadays as pretty much everything's on GitHub, I basically just use the web gui. I do have and sparsly use CLI tools, but all the merges, forks etc. are indeed confusing

[drifting seal]

@restive adder I went ahead and forked the pzwiki repo here: https://github.com/asledgehammer/pzwiki

[drifting seal]

@flat sun I've manually pushed your pull request as a commit to main on my fork.

[restive adder]

Thinking about it you might have trouble executing the code due to cloudflare’s security restrictions. I can bypass, so can look at grabbing and executing from this end

[drifting seal]

I'm looking to have a command I can execute to only update one or a selection of items.

I'll be looking at the code when I'm not dying from whatever cold someone gave me at work this week.

That's what weekends are for I guess..

[drifting seal]

It must've been a personal decision of co`'s to make this in Python3.

[restive adder]

Not a bad choice, Python 2 is end of life, not receiving security updates

[drifting seal]

I try to stick with the same language of the contents so something like Java or something close like JavaScript.

[restive adder]

Pythons good for rapid development, useful for api interactions

[languid kayak]

You can try ti make code portable for python2/3, but I wouldn't stretch it indeed, as like Kirrus said Python 2 is EOL anyway. And Python is great for those scripts, not that hard to learn too

[languid kayak]

BTW, can someone check whtether the dates are correct now? Fuberti had some edits before that were reverted, that's why I'm asking if they didn't mixed something up 🤔 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=General_John_McGrew&type=revision&diff=103453&oldid=93837

Same with this edit: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_Event&type=revision&diff=103465&oldid=99887 and potentially this: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Franklin_Valuline&curid=9684&diff=103455&oldid=95555

[neat pier]

Hello. Is there someone in charge of the spanish translations?