creator_dlc_discussion

[devout turtle]

hindsight eh

[copper vigil]

but is it cooler when its 1:1 scale

[sweet edge]

playing in 5 fps is not cool.

[copper vigil]

skill issue

[devout turtle]

so if i turn 180 here in pleiku airbase i get 75fps, and if i turn to face the main sprawling outer base i get a 20fps drop

so that differential is quite noticeable

ideally we should have put the sprawl on all sides equally

so that you get a smoother fps when flying about and looking around

hindsight is a wonderful thing

but it's not a horrific crime, i'm certain that other vanilla maps have same or worse drops in some places

[copper vigil]

very interesting

i have learned more about the cdlc process than i ever thought i would

[devout turtle]

we were just so happy we could make a giant airbase for some dayZ type looting missions, and for cool feeling US operations

and the fps was as good as tanoa

so we left it at that

well you can see how much thought goes into terrain design

we spent AGES on the first terrain

to learn the process of design of quality landscape which doesn't break your experience

[sinful cape]

3k vis range is too low for me. i need at least 6k 😄

[devout turtle]

well i was in a 110 man op last sunday mate

saturday sorry, so i turned it down a bit

we were using a ton of mods and i had that different air vs ground viewdistance mod setting going on

when i joined the mission i was on 12k

and that had me concerned - why is my I9 giving me 25 fps

if you play on open desert you need a lot more vis range

in jungles, not so much

[ashen geyser]

CSLA didn't show any pre-release content that wasn't released. That would be against CDLC rules anyway. The content you're talking about (like the F5) was shown before the CDLC program when CSLA was being developed as a mod. If anything from that time hasn't been released in the CDLC it's probably because the team decided they couldn't make it work for the CDLC or it didn't pass BI QA (or similar reason). The point is that content was never teased as being part of the CDLC.

[copper vigil]

its pre release content, pre-cdlc content, but still pre release content.

[ashen geyser]

I know what you mean, but that's a misleading statement

[copper vigil]

I wasnt trying to be misleading, im just calling it pre release content because thats what it is, sure it predates the CDLC but it was still shown as content in CSLA, it is readily available to see on their blogspot and content from then has been added to the DLC.

[ashen geyser]

It's misleading as in someone who reads it might think that the CSLA team promised content that wasn't included in the CDLC. Which would be unfair and not true either. And again, against CDLC rules

[sweet edge]

why would you need 6k on a terrain where you can barely see further than 200 meters because of foliage 😛

[sinful cape]

there's mountains

[ashen geyser]

The moment the project became a CDLC project, it's effectively a different project

[sweet edge]

You'd be busy fighting onslaughts, no time for sightseeing

[ashen geyser]

I agree, it's claustrophobic to fly with low vis range

[copper vigil]

i'll be honest thats more of their problem, not mine.

[sweet edge]

@devout turtle do you know if we are able to inject custom sounds into unit ambient voices through SOG modules instead of custom handlers or frameworks?

[olive vortex]

you would need to edit global variables which contain available sounds.

[wraith sleet]

we're poor here in southern europe, 22$ is too much if you're not in STEM.

[sinful cape]

how south in europe are you

[crimson fiber]

what country are ya in

[devout turtle]

sounds like morocco lol

[crimson fiber]

europe has its fair share of poor countries

[olive vortex]

I spent $22 on a uber trip yesterday 🙈

[devout turtle]

vet can help or ask in our discord - i'm not the technical wizard here

[crimson fiber]

also rich countries with poor ppl in em

[crimson fiber]

why just buy 4 days worth of food instead

[wraith sleet]

spain

[crimson fiber]

ooh

[devout turtle]

one of the joys of making our dlc is working with so many technical and artistic wizards

[crimson fiber]

yea but isnt there annoying ones too

[devout turtle]

but it does atrophy my brain a bit as i leave stuff to them that in the past in unsung i would have attempted to do myself

[wraith sleet]

spain

[olive vortex]

Sometimes it's better to leave things to professionals as they'll get better results ;3

[wraith sleet]

france's job market is already collapsed with STEM related careers. only low end jobs are left for immigrants, but I'm banned from going there.

[devout turtle]

but it's for the best as my coding skills have always been like basic level and causing lag

[olive vortex]

more like 1 day with current inflation rates here.

[sinful cape]

steam has no adjusted price for spain? arent prices adjusted for almost every country?

[wraith sleet]

here in my country only foreigners tend to use taxi

[crimson fiber]

ooh yea, true you are probably an adult

[wraith sleet]

it's rare since I have never been in a taxi

[olive vortex]

I prefer to say I'm a big kid

[wraith sleet]

spain uses the euro, so nope

same price as in other european country which shares the same currency

[crimson fiber]

lol

[olive vortex]

Yeah, whole euro zone is in one bucket regarding pricing.

[sinful cape]

huh didnt know. dollar is also split in so much

[devout turtle]

hey i made a flamethrower! oh it causes horrible lag!
hey i made working bayonets! oh it causes massive lag!
hey i made fuel cans and siphons for vehicles! oh it causes...

you see a pattern?

so yeah having veteran, asaayu, spoffy, lordjarhead, wyqer and other wizards like stack and terra and heyoxe working on our code/ ui/ fx was absolutely great

[olive vortex]

https://steamdb.info/app/1227700/

[sinful cape]

yeah i know that, just never really looked at the prices in detail

it's depressing enough as it is 😄

oh, i just saw the euro is below the usd again

[crimson fiber]

yea

that sucks

[sinful cape]

it's a two edged sword, i'm sad and happy about it at the same time

[olive vortex]

more euros from dlc sales? ;D

[devout turtle]

yeah im super glad we have a us dollar account to receive our income in

[olive vortex]

you're in Ger right?

[sinful cape]

yes, short term gains are better, but long term it's bad for my country

[devout turtle]

our team trip to the US just cost us a fair bit

as the dollar was at parity with the pound for a bit there

considering it was at 1.4 when we signed the dlc contract

huge difference

[sinful cape]

uk is a big issue for me for years already 😄 always paying on top hard when dealing with folks from there

oh well, could have been worse. in 2008 the euro was down to 0,6 compared to the usd. now THAT would suck hard

[devout turtle]

if you live in eastern europe / ukraine / russia, you did well in our team

as we pay the same rate no matterwhere you live

[sinful cape]

that's why east asian art factories have become so popular

[devout turtle]

i had a quote from a chinese studio

[sinful cape]

philippines or wherever they are sitting

[devout turtle]

it was 2x what a us studio would have charged

i was floored by that

as a team we also agreed to vary the contracts and pay out all historic owings to any team member living in ukraine, russia or who has died

so these poor guys affected by the war / conscription could have funds to help them cope

we sadly had one team member who died this year, and we paid out to his poor mum.

for the guys affected by the war it's a significant consolation that they can access their fees in full to manage their incredibly difficult situations

[crimson fiber]

oh damn thats gotta be heartbreaking, how old was he/she?

[devout turtle]

young enough for it to be a tragedy for the team

[crimson fiber]

ooh

allright

[obsidian gorge]

Will there be more updates for cdlc or nar?

[hallow parrot]

Nobody said it is a yes or no

[devout turtle]

we did say yes in our discord. we're working on a final update

after that maintenance, and other ideas

[tepid lance]

Yes at least some of the teams are working on updates. But anything specific cannot be revealed until the release is very close. 🙂

[copper vigil]

Can't wait for the CSLA update where they make the berlin wall real again

[prime hollow]

That’d be a GM update probably. CSLA is Czech

[copper vigil]

force of habit sorry

[ornate ridge]

can you run all the CDLC together without any issues?

[hallow parrot]

No issue is not guaranteed. But possible to run all of them at the same time

[ornate ridge]

Nice. I been running them one at a time, but I was thinking of making a mission using several of them together.

[hallow parrot]

It's the same thing with running multiple Mods altogether, possible to have some conflict but you can run them all

[tepid lance]

With GM we have so far had no known issues when running this with other CDLC content, there used to be a recoil issue when SOG was loaded, but that was resolved afaik.

[sinful cape]

there's already a couple mods that combine the different cdlc contents

so i guess it should work fine

[ornate ridge]

Awesome. Happy to see the CDLC teams talk to each other to try to make all the CLDC to work together.

I love the add on mods for GM. I definitely used them in my ops when I was making missions. I noticed that CSLA has some now to and I was hoping to add those back into the mix. And SOG just has a lot of awesome toys to use.

[devout turtle]

Yeah if anything broke between us we would definitely work to fix it

[ornate ridge]

Playing the South Koreans in SOG, I am kinda surprised there has been no WW2 CDLC. I think WW2 is just as popular as Cold War

[steady ravine]

bolt action are tricky to do

[ornate ridge]

Makes sense

[copper vigil]

On launch CSLA had a bug where using the m203 from CSLA with SOG enabled would crash the game but that was fixed pretty fast, you get alot of duplicate assets but the game won't explode or anything

[devout turtle]

we do have some problems with magwells and badly placed proxies as we didnt design our weapons to be magwelled with say RHS etc

but realised later on after a lot of work had been done

so im not sure right now if our proxy mags will align with other mods / 2035 contents weapons

a mistake on our part

we should have looked inside BI vanilla UGL's for example and matched their alignment of their 40mm rounds

but we didnt, we just did them our own way

[ornate ridge]

All learning experiences

[olive vortex]

Hard to get everything right if a lot of newer features is not even in the official samples ;D

[dull adder]

What is the main difference between SOG DLC and unsung mod?

[hallow parrot]

Different product

[sinful cape]

and much higher production quality :p

like, you can't even compare the old assets with the new ones, the quality difference is so big

[dull adder]

I know, but like they're still from the same era and stuff

[sweet edge]

they are, pretty much all CDLCs have their mod counterparts in terms of amount of assets and the theatre they portray

still SOG is a, well, a few-million-dollars project made partially by ex or current Unsung devs/contributors, has an official support and the average quality is higher

[sinful cape]

not ws tho 😄

at least not as far as i am aware

we tried super hard to do stuff that wasnt done before

[sweet edge]

WS is base game in my conworld

[ornate ridge]

I like the SOG map. It reminds me of Fallout for it tries to add all the major locations on w single map and the distances are all over the place as well as the location placement as well

[devout turtle]

Yeah we designed it so you can play out every vietnam war battle / movie / fantasy on one island, plus it has koth and exile and a bunch of other game modes designed into its layout

Best combo is SOG and unsung redux. Redux is smaller than original unsung to remove overlapping content in favour of SOGs higher quality, and it adds at least 4 high quality terrains to SOGs 3.

[ornate ridge]

Ah. Didn't know that Unsung has a cut down version to work with Sog. I'll have to check it out

[devout turtle]

For example it uses a lot of sog sounds on weapons

So its less jarring

And you have terrains rebuilt using sog terrain assets - better optimised trees and new buildings etc

It has a lot going on other than just removing stuff

[ornate ridge]

I'll remember that. I was planing to do a Fallout Resource War campaign and so I was going to use SOG for Fallout Tactics shows that Vietnam Era equipment was still being used in the war against China. Mixed with a bunch of other Cold War and WW2 mods, it would be a interesting campaign.

[knotty ore]

such system would shank the makers though. in way CDLC makers get paid by sales, making the content "free-er" for everyone would likely mean less sales.

It would be very convenient from the player perspective but not financially viable

[steady ravine]

unless BI hires them as full employees

[knotty ore]

Not quite the same either if you think about it.

[hallow parrot]

As everyone said multiple times, no CDLC content will get official implementation

Even GM's German voice lines get no love

[steady ravine]

wait til we get Japan CLDC with Japanese voice lines

could be a good concept tho, 2035 Northern Territory Conflict Japan vs CSAT (or Russia)

[hallow parrot]

Yeah a modern or near-future conflict that takes its place in Japan is an interesting idea

[sweet edge]

too bad you can't properly simulate gundams because of their size (and they can't be vehicles or it would look odd)

[sinful cape]

just make them uniforms for soldier class

[south topaz]

Why can I imagine pikachus ambushing a csat convoy

[steady ravine]

by using the zeus thunder module i can see that

[knotty ore]

Why not?

Tho not topic of the channel..

#gameplay_arma

😝

[sweet edge]

there's a mod adding these bipedal mechs as a vehicle and it looks janky when they move on uneven terrain (they are not bipedal techincally). and big bodies like to fly around, seen this with halo and wh40k 😛

[knotty ore]

Just means implementation has some flaws. They can work. The ones you have seen are basically tanks

It's just one of them very challenging things to add right.

[unreal rapids]

Maybe this is the wrong place, but would Bohemia ever consider publishing a dlc containing all of their terrains?

[knotty ore]

bit wrong yes, but no they would not do that.

[unique pike]

is a pain that each dlc uses different class names for core items (compass, first aid kit, etc

[sinful cape]

well, ws only uses the base game items :p

[devout turtle]

we only have our own classes of those, we dont rename base classes

[livid rover]

If it weren't different class names, it would overwrite the default compass?

[tepid lance]

Changing base classes is a big change and shouldn't be done without careful consideration.

[devout turtle]

we just don't do it generally, that would be asking for problems

[daring knoll]

Every cDLC looking at their changes to the main menu screen and default world:

[sinful cape]

not every cdlc is doing changes there

[silk jolt]

Luckily

[knotty ore]

most people dont even see the main menu.. they just join servers through the launcher.

[random crane]

pros have a desktop shortcut to jump directly into the editor 😎

[deep cape]

teach me your ways oh wise chair

[random crane]

you're not ready yet 🧙‍♂️

[olive vortex]

Or dozen of them for every bigger project

[unique pike]

yea it causes issues tho, for instance i dont think the vanilla revive system can work due to random names for core items like "medikit" and "firstaidkit"

actually thats probably a good tweak to suggest the devs, to pull the first aid kit/medikit classnames out to mission config file values

some DLC even have multiple kinds of FAK, complicating things further

[devout turtle]

They are not random names they are specifically chosen names to avoid any conflicts with large impact mods like ACE or vanilla content

If vanilla revive doesnt have params to add classes of item to particular functions use a better revive system. We wrote our own to account for that and in our module you can list all “first aid kit” classes and “medikit” classes

ACE allows that kind of configuration too

Or make a ticket requesting it from BI

Its not our fault or problem

If you use sog revive you can easily add GM or CSLA medical items to the module in the editor

[deep cape]

I have trained for 2000 hours in the editor though, when shall I be ready

[olive vortex]

I would say it's typical BI SQF code issue where it's written in a non extensible way. If it would allow then CDLCs would add their FAKs to the system. You can't blame the devs for not wanting bright yellow modern FAKs in their Cold War era content.

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T152608 (over 2yo issue)
code solution: #arma3_feedback_tracker message

[devout turtle]

figured you'd have the answer vet 😉

extensible that's my new favourite word

[tepid lance]

Self-healing and first aid works as long as they inherit from those original items, since they check for it via "isKindOf" and thus satisfies the conditions. We have had no issues with our custom medical items for healing. BI revive is a different topic of course, sadly.

It's tied to inheritance from a specific type, this unfortunately has always been a thing in the engine, all the way down for basically all assets. if it doesnt have "house" in the inheritance chain, a ton of features (not scripted) refuse to work on that building.

The correct implementatio would indeed be with a specific parameter that could turn any inventory item into a healing/repairing kit.

[smoky raven]

If I have a compatibility mod installed, would I be able to use the assets in the editor?

[hallow parrot]

Yes

Except the terrains

[devout turtle]

You can explore the terrains just not start a mission on them

[quartz sleet]

Why should they?
Arma 3 is the pinnacle of Arma and Reforger is mediocre at best...

Me too, at least for the next years there is only Arma 3 in focus with mission building...

[devout turtle]

Yeah

[unique pike]

especially with 2.10 ... arma 3 up to 1.6x was not very compelling to do SQF with

with 2.10 , is not a whole new world but certainly much more is now feasible to design

[young geyser]

They already stated that there are no enough Reforger players to make a CDLC profitable. I guess some CDLC teams will learn the ropes on Enfusion with Reforger but only release commercial projects on Arma 4, whenever that is released

[devout turtle]

Its not about player count although that is a metric, reforger engine lacks much of the important features we need

If bohemia met with us and planned out the needed features we’d all jump on board but they dont work that way

[unique pike]

Is there a way with Arsenal to present only equipment from a DLC (and hide vanilla equipment)?

[devout turtle]

In sog yes, we have a whitelist arsenal module

You can use it to set up any desired whitelist but its default is for sog gear and weapons

[old sable]

did anyone have an issue in western sahara where they can't get in to vehicles? I can only get in the back. I need to order my squad in the car, as a driver and swap to them

[knotty ore]

there have been some reports of CDLC users having some similar troubles recently but since there has been no updates it leads me to thing this is quite likely some sort of mod or mission issue

[sinful cape]

i havent heard about this yet

[old sable]

0 mods

though considering that everything is marked as a "premium item" I think I should give steam a restart

[old sable]

aaand that fixed the issue

[solar salmon]

this might be a dumb question, but how well do the 3 cold war cdlc work together? i'm mainly thinking about vehicle damage models

[molten wave]

Works fine for me. Steam workshop even has the amazing crossover mod, which reskins parts of CDLC and adds them to the factions of other CDLC. For example, Czechoslovak Army from CSLA now has T-55s from Global Mobilization.

The armor is equally destructible, regardless of a launcher you use

[winter hare]

I believe there are differences between the CDLCs (and vanilla) with respect to vehicle damage. It was suggested that I could/should adjust things accordingly in my crossover mod, but I wasn’t familiar with the problem or the solution - I only knew it would be a time sink I would rather avoid.

[pine night]

I remember a while back in the editor I repeatedly pitted a bunch of SOGPF PAVN tanks against modern/future ones. Seemed to be balanced pretty realistically. The PAVN ones got pretty well destroyed by modern armor, just like you'd expect.

I don't know if all elements are balanced that way, but seemed to work great on that front.

[devout turtle]

We do test our anti armor weapons on vanilla as well as our own assets to compare damage taken

And scale appropriately

So long as each dlc or mod does something similar there should be no major disparity

[tepid lance]

GM is also very closely around A3 Vanilla in damage simulation. Thefore any other mod/CDLC that is similarly balanced will be compatible.

[steady ravine]

Inb4 4th Cold war era CDLC arrives

[hard mauve]

From the point of view of SOG:PF vehicles, their damage simulation (armour, fire geo, hitpoints) is broadly in line with A3 vanilla too and will fit nicely with the other DLC's.

[prime hollow]

YES YES YES!

[daring knoll]

I often run all three Cold War cDLCs together in my Red Dawn mod, and they do play nice together. GM has a bit of expanded functionality, but at the end of the day, a tank shell's a tank shell.

I took a look at some of the AT weapon configs, and from what I can tell, SOG:PF's method is more reliant on hit than caliber but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

[solar salmon]

Thanks for all the replies

[narrow cradle]

SOG modifies the vanilla game so i wouldn't expect it to be completely compatible with the other two.

GM and CSLA and WS are all compatible with each other and vanilla.

[narrow cradle]

Oh but i didn't know this, which is good to see

[devout turtle]

What do you mean?

[mild cypress]

hello i got a question if anyone is on

[hallow parrot]

Go ahead

[mild cypress]

so i have the SOG dlc

if i turn it on then load a normal map will my friends that dont have the SOG dlc be able to join

i ask bc i wanna use the trench assets for zeus

[hallow parrot]

Your not owner friends also need one, or a compat file to play with

[mild cypress]

what ya mean by that ?

so if i turn the dlc on and load a base map he wont be able to join without buying the dlc right

???

bc i have seen two sides to it when i looked it up one saying they cant if you use the maps the other saying you can if you use base game maps

[hallow parrot]

No. In order to see the assets from the CDLC, one needs to load the CDLC

[mild cypress]

ok thank you

[olive vortex]

If you want to use objects from CDLC but will play on vanilla map your friends need to have the DLC loaded, that means either compatibility data from workshop or launcher dlc tab.

[young geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHcQz6Ho2-I

☝️ Bohemia Incubator program, which "cooperated?" with the CDLC program, has now been expanded...

[hallow parrot]

Bohemia Incubator is their internal project, not related with third-party DLCs AKA CDLCs

[young geyser]

Really? They use extensive CDLC footage (Western Sahara and SOG) in the "NEW INCUBATOR" trailer...

[hallow parrot]

Read the context, Marek says "as a publisher"

[young geyser]

Ohhh.. my bad then... thank you for clearing that up

[hallow parrot]

Also Incubator projects have the icon while those CDLCs never have them

[young geyser]

Updated my original post with better wording to reflect exactly what Marek says regarding CDLCs

[devout turtle]

Yeah its something we have an eye on but other publishers are also courting us - we’ll see how this year evolves.

If we divert from arma for a bit we will likely come back for arma 4 when its done.

In the next 4 years though there’s nowhere to go with bohemia

Except incubator

So the terms would need to be good to stick around

We aim to backport new assets destined for our new game into a free mod that depends on sog dlc, so we can continue to support the players here

And hopefully generate some additional dlc sales

Then its shift focus onto the new game for a few years while still enjoying sog arma in our downtime, and see how the new game fares

At least we can finally talk about plans and show WIP again

Ive said before that partnership and incubation means something different to different cultures. Czech culture seems to be quite different compared to UK. In the UK or US if you partner or incubate you take a direct and positive role in growing the success of the weaker partner. You learn their goals and motives and strengths and weaknesses, and you bring in everything in your power to balance them and help them on their way. That might include offering directors to drive the business evolution, as well as key staff to bridge capacity gaps.

Thats the kind of potential partners we are meeting with at present

If bohemia incubator doesnt include Angel type support as well as publishing and cash, it might not be to our taste

What we need most right now is financial structuring for a transmedia project. And that takes a lot of vision and understanding in the wider publishing arena. Its bigger than games alone.

Dayz is ripe for transmedia too - a tv show and graphic novels would likely do pretty well

[devout turtle]

it probably sounds insane or like hubris, but we have some strong stories and history and a ton of assets, and a lot of partners pushing us along.

[steady ravine]

any funds from us government yet?

[devout turtle]

nope, but i have asked for the former secretary of defense and his people to help us with that and they have agreed

it wont likely be us government, but more like some people in the network

[turbid pine]

If there is, i hope it's Arabia this time.

[steady ravine]

WS is close enough

[turbid pine]

It's North Africa, i was thinking of South Arabia.

Yemen and Oman, a lot of conflict happended there.

[devout turtle]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hGZQ6NxrDQz8tgggzU3DG?si=fa90b3b07442451a

you might be interested in this podcast about Mirbat

Ralph is working with us on our SOG stuff now as a writer, which is pretty cool. Here he is interviewing 2 of the SAS guys who fought at Mirbat

[wraith sleet]

Given I have western Sahara, which is the next best in your guys opinion

I don't want sogpf cause apparently even though that's great it's not singleplayer

[sweet edge]

GlobMob has a decent campaign and plenty of missions (and other third party content) available on Workshop

[swift nacelle]

Global Mobilization just got a big update and is on sale for 66% off right now. Well worth picking up even at full price

[sweet edge]

CSLA has a great campaign too in my opinion, even heavier on storytelling than the GM's but the development budget was a bit tight

[knotty ore]

there are a lot of singleplayer missions made for it. and even the campaign can be played in SP though it is quite a lot more challenging that way. There is also a additional mod that adds AI for the sogpf campaign use as well (and it can be used in other missions too to add AI squadmembers)

[devout turtle]

There’s no lack of SP in sog dlc, plenty of community mods and missions for it

Just as we intended

[wraith sleet]

Oh right

Apparently there does exist something called sogai

[devout turtle]

Yeah much less risky as it would likely never pass QA. But it does what it says on the tin, so players can have their SP fun. Johnnyboy is a community hero

[gritty hound]

Glob Mob is $8.00 on the store. How does it compare to CUP?

[devout turtle]

it's $8 more but you get what you pay for :p

[hallow parrot]

How does one compare CUP and GM?

[karmic harness]

By their price, for example? 😆

[knotty ore]

also different theme

relatively similar time period but both have entirely different focus and scope.

both have lot of stuff though

[devout turtle]

GM is BI quality arma 3 level stuff. The main difference between it and any mods based on arma 2 gear will be the quality of the bakes and materials, increased poly counts, etc. as high poly models will have been used as sources for all assets.

[hallow parrot]

I'd say GM is over vanilla A3 terms of quality

[random crane]

they're two different things, CUP has arma 1/2 assets and factions and some extra stuff, some models are quite old by now

GM is about cold war germany and has new models/animations/terrain/etc and is a full fledged DLC

[sweet edge]

GM has a dino plushie, CUP doesn't

[sinful cape]

wow 0/10 CUP, would not download

[random crane]

friendship over

[sinful cape]

should have thought of that before deciding not to add a dino plushie

[steady ravine]

Camel plushie in ws when?

[sweet edge]

SOG should have a punji plushie

[olive vortex]

We have Dedmen plushie, that's even better.

[sinful cape]

we have gold, bronze, and silver statues instead

[devout turtle]

here's our plushie evidence
https://youtu.be/AdlE3YZqZ6c?t=68

the kitty bar needs a module - with the nightlife and crazy vietnamese rock

[steady ravine]

'ArmA' 👀 !!

[fossil dew]

SOG AI mod allows you to play Prairie Fire campaign SP with a very responsive AI squad. It also works great with Apex Protocol, Western Sahara, and now GM Force Recon. Prairie Fire is outstanding content, and with SOG AI its very enjoyable in SP. I highly recommend you get SOG Prairie Fire DLC.

[slate saddle]

GM is higher quality, slightly less things but it does have cool things like bridge layers however no jets

Also it’s west Germany, Denmark, Poland and east Germany

[knotty ore]

CUP is recreation of gear and vehicles from older Arma titles with new additions in the mix

[sweet edge]

and covers way more than just cold war.

CWR3 would be a more comparable mod

[tepid lance]

I always like to think of CUP as a well intentioned remastering of those assets, even though not technically a remaster at all. It's a godsend for sure, either way.

[knotty ore]

Remaster is good word for it I think and they do have replaced some of the A2 models with new ones along the years and made the assets work in A3.

[pastel pendant]

the majority of what's in CUP today is new stuff

[tepid lance]

Good stuff

[gritty hound]

Thanks all for the comparison

[grand sequoia]

Is there any new cdlc on the horizon?

[knotty ore]

if there are such things are not talked about in advance.

[grand sequoia]

Not even rumors or some conspiracy theories?

[knotty ore]

dont recall anyone mentioning anything like that for a while at least

theories can be talked about for sure, but if there are any dlc team, they would be prohibited to talk about stuff like that in advance

[karmic harness]

I believe Marek said something about "future CDLCs" in one video, but that's all

[random crane]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-conspiracy-time-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017112

[olive vortex]

[karmic harness]

Blame him ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[red saddle]

Well we had that guy a couple days ago saying he wanted to make over a dozen CDLCs

Believing in future CDLCs is like believing in half life 3. Will it happen? who knows!

[lean sail]

I do think CDLC have a future, but perhaps not for Arma 3 anymore (unless there's already one in the making).

[young geyser]

I wouldn't mind some sort of ACE 3 official CDLC... and since it is already 99% done then it meets most criteria for being made into a CDLC. Some may wonder what happens with all the missions that rely on ACE 3 in mod form and for that you get the compatibility mod

[lean sail]

ACE (and CBA for that matter) is too community driven, so impossible to get the financial part sorted. Not to mention it's a mod designed to "fix" and enhance the core game, not add something completely new.

RHS on the other hand would make a good CDLC, but it's again not gonna happen because the commitment is not possible within the team.

[knotty ore]

Turning existing mods into dlc is nearly impossible effort.

[steady ravine]

how about borrowing assets from a mod to the CDLC project (still the same dev)?

[knotty ore]

would likely get backslash from community. And mod must still be available. Nothing previously released can be put behind paywall

If things were easy it would probably have happened already.

Instead of cdlcs making new stuff like they have now

[devout turtle]

To get through QA you cant have too much scripted solutions

Unless very well designed

The general preference is on terrain and assets

[red saddle]

since it is already 99% done AND released and available, that means it's disqualified.

[steady nest]

is now reminded that CSLA Studio got around this by just never releasing a free mod for A3 to begin with

[steady nest]

afaik all four released CDLCs have only been publicly revealed about two weeks before launch/release

[silk jolt]

Iron Curtain was announced quite some time beforehand and then the release was posponed

[steady nest]

Hmph, I must have missed the original announcement if so... I only heard of it at the two-weeks point

[knotty ore]

not that much before hand I think and it went then to the semi public QA which resulted in postponing

things can of course happen and everything does not always go according to the initial plan

[silk jolt]

09/20 announced for „later this year“. Whatever that was supposed to mean.

[knotty ore]

09/20? whats that?

[sweet edge]

September 2020

https://arma3.com/news/arma-3-creator-dlc-csla-iron-curtain-is-coming-soon#.ZF6LFd1ByUk

[knotty ore]

and things didnt go as planned -> delay

[silk jolt]

Yeah, it's just that there is no general two week rule. SOG was also announced a month before release. With WS it was roughly two weeks, though

[knotty ore]

"about two weeks" is how its described its not a hard 2 weeks this thing happens nao! Its just a way to express that a DLC is announced when its near release time (and things can still happen between that)

[wraith sleet]

And that is the most hated DLC but idk why

[sweet edge]

because it was released after SOG

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steady ravine]

the most hated? nah it's more like a tame disagreement

[wraith sleet]

Well, it has mostly negative ratings on Steam

[fading solar]

A lot of them had negative reviews on steam when they first came out.

Slowly it seems people have warmed up to them a bit, but others still seem adamant that they are "paid mods"

Imo, the ones I've bought have been great, and the community around them has been great too.

[grave osprey]

The negative reviews mostly come from entitled poors who think they should get everything for free.

[wraith sleet]

Err

[prisma minnow]

...I hope you're being sarcastic. CSLA absolutely had a plethora of issues at launch and wasn't reviewed negatively because of "entitled poors".

[hallow parrot]

Well, I mean, I think both of you were true. Think about that GM has about 50% negative when it gets released and it is not that altered as of yet even we get massive updates

And they claims those assets are #JustAPort from older Arma games, which is very easy to factcheck. They are very used not to pay what we deserved to pay

And apparently CSLA ever got a free offer of refund by BI - which is after they think didn't met the release quality

But I think main reason why CSLA has red review is #JustAPort... I haven't looked into the toxic nest so don't know exact but anyhow

[tepid lance]

Indeed GM got massively hammered at start for the incorrect rumors about us having recycled Arma 2 assets, which couldn't be further from the truth.

[devout turtle]

We also got hit for reusing arma 3 buildings. Some crazy people out there expected us to make a full set of vietnamese city buildings as well as everything else. If we did that we still wouldn’t have released now. BI even recycles its buildings from one map or game to another. But no, we are just money grabbers right.

Really not worth paying too much attention to those people, except they can create a distortion of perception that is then hard to shake.

A player gets your dlc decides they dislike one compromise / choice made by the developer, disregards all the awesome stuff and hangs you out to dry for it.

It is unfair and its a shame you cant respond directly to a review.

Like with a factual statement

[grave osprey]

I think all the CDLCs are excellent in their own right. CSLA has fantastic maps.

[molten wave]

I also don’t understand the hate behind CSLA. It is a fairly decent CDLC with wonderful new Czech assets, which is in no way abandoned and constantly gets updated.

[pastel pendant]

release quality with actual arma 2 ports and dev team behavior after such

[grave osprey]

Make one yourself then.

[pastel pendant]

no, i'm paying for it, i'm expecting quality in exchange.

if it was a free mod i would have no right to complain, a paid product is different.

and i'm not being unreasonable

[grave osprey]

True. But the vehicles are great, Cabreta is a really good map. The uniforms are under par, and the sounds are pretty poor, in fairness. But there’s still a lot of work that went in to it. With S&S the experience can be good.

[pastel pendant]

i wont senseless crap on the cdlc, i like csla, i have it.

but the quality is a mix-bag, and the vehicles are not out of the equation

not ideal when you compare to the previous two released CDLC's in terms of quality

[grave osprey]

I think that it’s the high quality of other CDLCs that caused them to look shabby. It’s not an expensive CDLC.

[molten wave]

Honestly, I would gladly pay for some of the top tier mods, such as CUP, RHS, BWMod, FFAA, Aegis, IFA, Faces of War, if they were CDLCs. In my opinion, most people disregard how much effort was put into them. As for CSLA, it is obviously not the staple of quality but it got better after the first update, therefore the 15$ price is quite justified.

Not to mention the wonderful CDLC crossover mod, which actually gives those assets a whole new purpose

[pastel pendant]

that's a negative, you can load cup right now and compare some of the civilian clothes with the ones in CSLA, its the same in texture and model, same applies for some buildings in the map, vehicle wise some (blackhawk for example) have terrible texture quality, specially on the interior (was playing an op with it the other day and couldnt notice it in comparison to the newer helicopters added on the update), as i said, its a mixed bag of quality.

and then again, you cannot put the blame on the other dlc's being of better quality, you should not lower the bar.

[sinful cape]

probably better not to. one wrong word and they'll hang you on that one as well. :>

[random crane]

they already left a bad review, cant do worse than that

places like tripadvisor and google allow you to reply to reviews

of course that's not for everyone 🥴

[sinful cape]

but it can escalate and then you made it worse with reacting to it

[hallow parrot]

GM review. Most of haters at the first days forgot they've put a red review

[sinful cape]

knowing how steam discussions end up, it's very likely not worth it

[tepid lance]

Trying to land the concept of CDLC among the "paid mod" shootings wasn't easy, but we managed it. 🙂

[knotty ore]

Most bigger mod groups do have some support donation options but never really get much any of that.

Like if everyone subscribed to CUP put in 1$ today, they could cover some serious dev time for a while.

[molten wave]

Indeed. This optional support creates the lack of incentive since most subscribers automatically assume that those mod projects already get enough support

[knotty ore]

Indeed. It's and mod teams don't really expect it either or complain. Which probably feeds that cycle. But users do often expect a lot to happen from a free hobby projects made from passion to make stuff

[molten wave]

That’s why I’ve been a CDLC supporter from day 1. I perfectly understand how hard it is to even make a simple retexture on this engine. Therefore, such effort deserves financial compensation

[pastel pendant]

you wanna make alwarren cry?

[knotty ore]

There are basically no "outsiders" in the CDLC core teams. Nobody has come from beyond the modding scene to just try to grab money.

[knotty ore]

XD I'm fairly sure he shares the sentiment.

This stuff does deserve to be talked about every once in a while though. Stuff doesn't appear from just thin air.

[silk jolt]

You can't on steam? Because I have seen replies by devs there. It's probably because it's 3rd party and BI would have to reply

[silk jolt]

I also read, that it came shortly after Bethesdas move into that direction - so that might have been a factor too

[random crane]

no reviews dont allow for replies, maybe you're thinking of comment sections on mod pages or posts in the steam discussions tabs

[tepid lance]

The reviewer has to enable comments. Developers (in this case BI itself) can add comments even if disabled by the reviewer.

[silk jolt]

Yeah, I have seen quite some indie devs doing that, but at some point they all stopped. I guess it's probably too time consuming without any effect at all

[sinful cape]

like i said, it's tricky situation. if you explain yourself too much or write the wrong stuff or get emotional, such dev comments can backfire hard

[devout turtle]

yeah totally, but if a guy blatantly lies in his critique? i guess it does have a reddit style helpful thumb thing readers can award it

not sure if it has downvotes

or if anyone would much do that, not much incentive

i just think when a review says - this dlc sucks as it has no m113's

if you could reply "m113's were added in 1.2 - enjoy :)"

that would be cool

factual notes more than opinion / arguments

keeps it safe

[sinful cape]

yeah, that's true

[random crane]

aaah i see

[red saddle]

"assume" that sounds logical to me, so i wonder if that would improve if like, the number of Patreon supporters were displayed more prominently so that many people can see "oh wow they get barely any donations for this amazing amount of work"

[sinful cape]

hehe, i've talked about it already in the past. over a time span of 10 years of modding, i made like 15 or 20 bucks from donations. in comparison, making callsign minotaur alone already cost me 3 to 4k and that's just what i paid others, not even my own time. in my experience, community donations only work for projects that center around multiplayer content / mods. singleplayer stuff will just not get donations. people will say that they will donate, for sure, totally, next time they get paid, but once that moment arrives, they already forgot and moved on.

[red saddle]

my stoopy patreon for my small projects made more than that in a year :sad:
And all I did was link it on the bottom of my workshop pages and in my BIF signature
For reforger/a4 we should really aim to establish a better support/patreon/donation culture.. somehow..

[karmic harness]

Server monetization seems to work perfectly well, looking at Life servers 👀 /s

[red saddle]

I said donations 😠

[karmic harness]

No, you said "support", above 😄

[olive vortex]

I've mostly dropped modding once I've started working on CDLC stuff, both are fun but one pays

[random crane]

i think the only one who was getting some decent money via patreon was toadie

[molten wave]

It’s purely psychological. Most people don’t see value in optional support. On the other hand, once a product is hidden behind a pay wall, it subconsciously increases in value.

The comments above prove my point perfectly 😄

[sinful cape]

what's really missing is the arma loverslab scene. i'm pretty sure sexytime with miller would make bank.

[olive vortex]

@gloomy prism there's job to do 👆

[gloomy prism]

😩

[fading solar]

All of a sudden single player content pays well 👌

[steady nest]

iirc kju said as much almost a decade ago

[knotty ore]

ye and is been said by CUP people and RHS people too

big mod projects, million of happy users, 10$ donations in 10+ years of mods 😄

[steady nest]

Hence I can see the appeal of Creator DLC for could-have-otherwise-been-modders although in turn eggbeast has revealed how steep a cost that can come at

[knotty ore]

(dont know exact numbers but they dont really match the value)

but it is essential to also remember that modders dont do it for the money. they do it for fun. but that does not mean they should slave over it either

[knotty ore]

indeed

[steady nest]

See how many times have CDLC devs said that they flat-out would not have implemented some things if they were only doing free mods

And for all the praise SOG got, according to eggbeast its dev studio will be in the red for years... and he said that a permanent price cut would make that even worse (because he didn't believe that the volume would be there)

[devout turtle]

well we may see more volume come later

we've done ok

just takes a long time to gain break even on such an enormous dlc

as we give too much away and can't charge any more than the launch day price, which is constantly expected to decrease

so no point continually adding - IF - you are after break even

obviously we have a duty to pay everyone, so we do seek break even

we've pushed the cart as far as we morally can

so now have to stop, and switch to a free mod again as adding more CDLC content will just delay paying off the team - quite a few have left - they deserve to reach break even at least

it's a bummer there is no way for fans to contribute in the current model beyond that single payment at launch

we're looking into alternatives to be able to continue mission

but yeah hopefully my candour has allowed people to see the real costs of this content

so they can look again at RHS and CUP and 3CB and other big mods and realise how much people do give away for free

[mortal seal]

SOG was absolutely breathtaking and got me back into Arma. I would like to think that GM has done a lot to raise the bar as well. I can't imagine not playing with - and paying for - either. If Arma 4 can come out of the gate by engaging with talented community members to produce CDLC like that, or, I don't know if this is possible in the contracts, working on ports of the existing CDLC, I think it would be a major selling point. I remember what Arma 3 was like on release, and for some time after, and the CDLC really showed what it was capable of IMO - especially if we count Jets as the "first" CDLC.

e: Which isn't to take away from the work of RHS and CUP, just to say, I can't help but think of what they might have done had they had the funding and support from CDLC. Those big mod teams have done so much to aid Arma, they're already a reason to buy and play the game, that I don't think it's unreasonable.

[devout turtle]

i guess RHS did get a MANW prize too. kind of an early creator dlc thank you from BI (and the community - who voted for it). the FA18 did too and that is what spawned jets dlc's concept

we are grateful because the creator dlc project has allowed us to form into a quite formidable team

that was our main motivation, alongside telling the stories of our friends in SOG

we do retain the rights to our sources and could in fact make an expansion or dlc for arma 4 if invited later

we won't be doing that for reforger as there is no mechanism for it and the engine is not ready

so in the meantime we are looking at a whole bunch of other options

to fill the time between A3 and A4

[wraith sleet]

Yeah I usually think with how much praise RHS get that they would have a good opportunity for a cDLC to do even more good shit

[wraith sleet]

Is there going to be a snow dlc or mountain theme

[knotty ore]

GM Werferlingen has winter version. Beyond that Themes or contents of anything that has not already been published publicly could not be discussed

[boreal crescent]

Face of War 😄 😄 No, only good characters by "LODU", but they leave from A3 community before release FOW 😄 Models from another game mod

[molten wave]

Are you implying that they ripped their assets?

[boreal crescent]

They have permission 😉 i wrote "game mod" no "game".

It is easy only port models.

that's why I like GM (no port models from web)

[molten wave]

They still look decent in my opinion, apart from some reload animations.

[boreal crescent]

Models FoW? 😕 Old models.. low poly.

And wrong weapons

😣 IFA3 mainly ports from A2

[wraith sleet]

Is there going to be a naval dlc coming that add more boats

[knotty ore]

such things are unknown as DLC teams can not talk about their work prior to BI announcing them

[steady ravine]

naval cldc is ez to make, water map and just get ship models out of 3d works (pay)

and in water map i mean just water

60+ fps

[devout turtle]

Boats in arma need a new armor model as they sink really easily. Probably due to engine HP reaching 0

So we avoided actual boat missions in our campaign because one big hit and your whole team is toast

[steady ravine]

and the risk of Arma'd moment is high while on water

[devout turtle]

Indeed

[random crane]

damn, why did no one think of that 😫

[pastel pendant]

who would even want water assets?

[austere shell]

i'd like them, but its not 100% needed and probably not worth the time and money to make

[grave osprey]

There’s actually plenty of decent water based content in the modding community. My unit place maritime SOF and we do boaty stuff all the time with minimal issues.

[pastel pendant]

my mistake on believing the sarcasm would be noticed

[lunar rivet]

Amphibious assets are nice

[willow scroll]

I wondering if will ever be another cdlc

[sweet edge]

perhaps

[steady ravine]

[versed trench]

hey everyone quick question , which is better: iron curtain or global mobilisation

[steady ravine]

Both

[sweet edge]

it would be easier for you to choose if you noted what do you actually expect from these cdlcs

they are both good, one has things better than the other so wisest would be getting both

[versed trench]

okay , sorry at first i thought they were based on similar things but their not, so ill just check it out on yt

[pallid sky]

I would recommend you get as many (C)DLCs as you can in the sale. They are all a celebration of the fabulous Arma 3 platform

[versed trench]

yeah other than the soundtracks their the only dlcs i dont have so might aswell , its £12

if not it would of been £26 so its a steal

damn it went for 40gb (not including praire fire) to 86 gb

[ornate ridge]

I'm surprised there hasn't been a new CDLCs announced for a while. The last being WS that was released Nov of 21' I figured something would have been released or even announced by now

[ashen geyser]

Has it really been that long? Damn

[ornate ridge]

Yeah. There has been updates to all 4 CDLC since then. But yeah, I figured something would have been announced by now. Either more cold war, Arma 3 verse, even WW1 or 2, or even something sci-fi like.

But it seems like we reached the end of the interest of CDLC by development teams I guess

[devout turtle]

It takes a lot of time, blood, sweat and tears to make one and a lot of luck to get to a publishing date

[ornate ridge]

Makes sense. But I haven't even heard rumors of a new CDLC in the pipe. I was hearing rumors of a Vietnam (SOG) CDLC was in the works when GM the main focus of people's attention. But nobody I have been talking to has heard anything.

But I guess that is the nature of the beast. No one can say anything till it is official.

[ashen geyser]

I may or may not have heard something

[fading solar]

Probably just the wind.

[ashen geyser]

Probably

[steady ravine]

Arma 2077

we need that perhaps meme as a sticker in here

[warped quail]

tbf, the updates combined added content for another cdlc

[ashen geyser]

True dat

[steady ravine]

assuming there will be one

[mossy needle]

https://arma3.com/news/year-in-arma-3-2022 if you scroll to the bottom it says "We will continue our maintenance and support of the game in a similar way as last year. We expect to publish more updates for existing third-party Creator DLC, and potentially some entirely new Creator DLC projects. This cannot be confirmed, however, until such time as these projects near their final milestones, so stay tuned for more information." This is all we have for future CDLC so far

[ornate ridge]

Yeah.

[ornate ridge]

That was 6 months ago. To be fair. I'm ready for the next chapter of GM

[mossy needle]

yeah they actually said this same thing for the 2021 year in review to but we sadly got nothing

[ornate ridge]

What you mean, we got western sahara in 2021

[steady nest]

So basically the CDLCs have to be far enough along before BI will allow announcements

[sinful cape]

yes, pretty much release ready

better this way than announcing 10 projects and nothing is ever finished/released

[random crane]

also to avoid showing stuff that may not pass QA review

[silk jolt]

One couldn‘t buy it pre-release anyway. Even though I must admit, I‘d like to know if there‘s anything in the works 🙂

[spiral lark]

IFA Team is working on a WW2 DLC

[ornate ridge]

Well that sounds real interesting

[spiral lark]

Or atleast work on something that might be a DLC

[wraith sleet]

i do wanna also work on my own A3 CDLCs

like 1 set in ww1 and 2nd one in interwar period

and 3rd one in the modern present current day era

[karmic harness]

How is your learning modding going?

[wraith sleet]

Not good

[karmic harness]

Then make it "good" 😛

[hallow parrot]

Sounds like at least you've started it

[wraith sleet]

Alr we shall see then

[pastel pendant]

you do know you cannot tell us about it, right?

[wraith sleet]

Alr Sorry

[hallow parrot]

You probably need to learn that you need to learn

[random crane]

damn bro, leave something for the rest of us 😄

[pastel pendant]

i feel sorry for you, now you cannot do the cdlc's as you broke NDA 😦

[sinful cape]

signed no papers, broke no nda

[lean sentinel]

I'll create my own cdlc with puppies and coffee and more puppies.

[hallow parrot]

Dew it

[jolly ingot]

Arma Life CDLC when?

[devout turtle]

Imagine if all the cdlc teams united and created the ultimate life server / dlc

We could make a fortune but feel forever dirty

[steady ravine]

1 massive map, each island has it's own CDLC theme

and when there is a new CDLC out, new island rises from the ocean

[lean sentinel]

I don't have a map planned for the puppies, coffee and puppies CDLC. I guess I need to add sea-puppies to the mix 🦭

[jovial basin]

I also second Bob making a CDLC, he deserves to be spammed with QA tickets by me

[lean sentinel]

On a more serious note and speaking from the player perspective, having all DLC/CDLC-individual main menu options disabled as soon as more than one DLC/CDLC is loaded, would be a massive step towards DLC/CDLC team unity and "compatibility".

[olive vortex]

we're the only one with custom main menu 😅

(which you can disable in options)

[lean sentinel]

I know, I constantly have it disabled.
But I mentioned DLC on purpose, as Contact changes the main menu as well.
Sure, this is somewhat outside of the scope of this channel but it falls in the same category of change which I believe would be beneficial.

[pallid sky]

And CLSA Iron Curtain edits the main menu Arma 3 logo 🙂 I agree, (C)DLCs should not change the main menu, or the selectable missions, etc.

[hallow parrot]

I do believe Contact changed the main menu on its purpose, to tell the thing is very only meant to be played as is, but other CDLCs? I do not think modifying the menu is reasonable enough

[sage oxide]

We're just disabling the units window or whatever that is that BI put in the middle of the screen in the main menu. And we changed the logo in the top menu and put our own credits behind it. That's about it.

[devout turtle]

we completely changed the server browser too

built a whole new back end

which works much better and faster

[loud apex]

I'm pretty sure something is on the way.

[steady ravine]

says who?

unless it's coming out of Marek's mouth then it's fake

[karmic harness]

Source: #creator_dlc_discussion message

[steady ravine]

[loud apex]

^this

[clear sentinel]

XD

[wraith sleet]

you mean sauce

[clear sentinel]

it aint anime XD

[loud apex]

[karmic harness]

What was that?

...must have been the wind 🤔

[ornate ridge]

Looks like we finally got our answer

[summer sequoia]

Do we know who's the team behind the 1944 CDLC?

[mortal plaza]

Yes

[olive vortex]

Cool guys

[warm zodiac]

I hope we can get some chaffees and whatnot with this

[spiral lark]

IFA Team and some guys from Notorious Mods like S&S

[knotty ore]

Notorious?

[wraith sleet]

i hope that the spearhead comes with actually finished content unlike the regular workshop ww2 mods out there

[hallow parrot]

I don't know why you wonder so. None of CDLCs are announced unfinished (well, in theory)

[wraith sleet]

cuz im buying the cdlc as soon as it becomes available ye ik that

[devout turtle]

Hopefully everyone who can afford it will buy Spearhead to support the team. Like Team Savage this is not a team of AAA seasoned professionals but instead a group of dedicated passionate Arma community members (self-taught) who have stepped up and committed years of their lives working for free to bring this new DLC to market. They deserve our respect for their achievement, our patience for their creation and any future fixes or updates, our love as brothers in the community and our money to support their success and endeavours. Let’s get behind them and help push the cart along. Every one of you can help with a nice review on steam and holding back any negative reviews if a certain asset or feature is missing - remember how much content can follow if a product does well. So please be supportive and give them your love. Go say hi in their discord and congratulate this no doubt exhausted and tenacious team for their work to expand Arma 3 and extend its shelf life for you and your gaming groups.

https://discord.gg/spearhead-1944

One team!

[wraith sleet]

cuz I bought the sog dlc when it came out and was satisfied, same with GM and the western sahara and the csla one im wondering if there will be more cdlc planned or more teams joining up or somethng

[sweet edge]

CDLCs "plans" are not announced, if there is an official statement about a new content it means it was greenlit and will be released in few weeks.

[wraith sleet]

yep

[spiral lark]

i mean well known mods sorry

[knotty ore]

Ah yeh 👌

[young geyser]

Perhaps it is too late... but just wanted potential CDLC devs to remember that even thou Cold Era, Vietnam, WW2 and the near future have been covered in A3... there is still room for a modern era "operation arrohead" styled CDLC set in the 2000s... That would sell like hot cakes, specially if it is complemented by some sweet base engine optimizations like DLSS, FSR, DX12 and/or any other meaningful optimizations to the base engine by BI in tandem with those CDLC releases

[mortal plaza]

What do engine upgrades have to do with CDLCs?

[young geyser]

Boost sales? One of the main reasons lots of players left the arma platform was that they felt that A3 did not supported and/or underused their modern hardware. If an engine upgrade by BI changes that then you suddenly get thousands of returning players wanting to buy "ANYTHING" for the improved game...

The same phenomena already occured with Day Z SA... where meaningfull engine updates made lots of players return, lots of new content being streamed and those streams bringing lots of new players too....

But don't just take my word for it... look at the statistics, those speak for themselves...

[sweet edge]

The hell are you talking about lol

Have you bought or at least read about a single CDLC to see what can be included in it's scope and what can't due to, well, limitations of being a 3rd party?

[wraith sleet]

what you describe seems "theoretically a possibility" but that doesn't mean it's actually happening, or definitely the explanation for DayZ SA

[sweet edge]

If you have requests regarding the base game then make a ticket in feedback tracker, like everyone have been doing since its creation

[sinful cape]

cdlc devs dont have direct access to the engine core and can't do changes like that.

[mortal plaza]

Thanks Lexx

[knotty ore]

BI has invested some time on smaller engine improvements but that big an update may be a little unlikely

[red saddle]

Some people just won't give up even after hearing the same answer a couple dozen times.
Sometimes its better to ignore some messages

[young geyser]

I never said that the CDLC devs are the ones who should do the engine updates... I updated the post to clarify that because people here tend to "complete what is missing by themselves".

I posted about:

1. There is still room for even more CDLC, specially the 2000s era not being depicted by any current CDLC
2. That if there is a future CDLC release other than Spearhead, it would be awesome for sales if it is accompanied by meaningful engine updates by BI to boost sales which will benefit all of the CDLCs and all of its devs...
3. I don't know what is so bad about point 1 and point 2 that gets some people so mad... or perhaps my phrasing/wording was incorrect?

Whatever the case, I kinda pointed out the obvious but still some companies have a hard time even implementing the obvious, in detriment of their sales and/or specially the sales of third parties involved

[vital plover]

Aslong as more CDLCs dont take place in the Arma 3 2030s im fine with whatever.

[wraith sleet]

doesnt western sahara take place in 2030s?

[sweet edge]

it does, and everyone is enjoying it

[daring knoll]

arma players "understand there are people out there who enjoy all settings" challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[ashen geyser]

More 2035 CDLCs pls

[warm zodiac]

CDLC anime universe inspired mods lol would be neato ngl

[steady nest]

The only CDLC devs are the ones that Bohemia greenlights... and we'll never find out until it's too late (to change their direction)

[spiral lark]

I wonder in what Era Arma 4 takes place. I really Hope early 2000s

[jolly ingot]

i am guessing continue from A3 are farther into future]

[mild rain]

18th century

[jolly ingot]

ooof

[steady nest]

This would be logical, however BI has said that the historical context of Arma Reforger is returning for A4 so at minimum there'll be Cold War gameplay

[teal kindle]

Yes, based on that, I assume the most likely time frame for A4 will be in the 1990's.

[golden cloak]

early or late 1990s perhaps?

[charred dove]

Late 80s early 90s most likely

[prime hollow]

Arma 4: Yugoslavia Blues

Though whatever we get hopefully we could possibly get an American Based map at some point

Wolverines type stuff

[steady nest]

A very similar ballpark to GM after Vertexmacht decided 'the campaign is set in 1983 but we'll throw in early 90s assets anyway'... no letting Cold War Germany get in the way of having the G36

[jolly ingot]

well there ya facken go.

[steady nest]

That wording doesn't preclude any other time periods... they also said that the environment(s) and assets would return as well, so I expect that Everon, Arland, and the gear/vehicles/weapons will all be ported from Arma Reforger to Arma 4

[wraith sleet]

Is it possible to load all CDLC at once without losing mission access. When I load them all I can't find the other campaigns in the campaign menu even when changing the menu back to the original style

Don't think it's a GM or WS thing cause I've had them loaded before and still access the other campaign missions

[knotty ore]

SOGPF might do that, youll need a mod from workshop that enables the list back

[wraith sleet]

Is the hiding of the campaigns intentional, even when the old menu is turned back on?

[knotty ore]

well yes, it was request from the publisher back in the day

[devout turtle]

@olive vortex any idea if this is expected

[knotty ore]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2642544745

this should restore them

[daring knoll]

It could just mean that it's Armaverse and not exactly true to real-life

[steady nest]

Not being true-to-life is a given... that said, I extrapolated from the original statement that BI would reuse Reforger's development for Arma 4 to save time (the environments and assets are returning in A4)

[rapid flame]

Hi I’m looking for someone interested in creating a Role Playing server

[knotty ore]

not the right channel. this channel is about the creator DLC

[solar cloak]

Korean War CDLC would go hard

[wraith sleet]

id like to see a ww1 and interwar CDLC

[formal minnow]

I want a DLC that expands on other NATO forces than just the US and LDF

[steady ravine]

Apex dlc has brits working in pacific

[wraith sleet]

Tanks DLC expands on an AAF commander for 3 missions. Tac-Ops also adds some CTRG cameo

[lunar rivet]

This x1999. I love vanilla but it would be so nice to have more factions from the other members of NATO and CSAT (without the bug suits).

[swift nacelle]

Spearhead is out! 🙌🏻

At first glance, the guns sound really good

Well done!

[swift nacelle]

Man, now I just need the RIS guy to make a version for Normandy 🙏

oh, Warmachine got updated already. what a champ

[velvet gull]

which would yall say is better Praire fire or spearhead

[karmic harness]

It may be too early to say at this point, since people have just started playing the game (so they won't be able to tell you yet)
Also depends on what and how you like to play

[swift nacelle]

Prairie Fire has more content by virtue of being out longer. It's a really solid CDLC. Spearhead hasn't been out long enough to say yet, but having played around with the content a bit this morning it's really good quality

so if you like 'Nam, get SOG. if you like WW2, get Spearhead

[karmic harness]

And if you like Arma, get both 😏

[swift nacelle]

True!

also, by virtue of time period, PF goes a little better with the other CDLC

but DWYWM (Do what you want, man)

[karmic harness]

PSUIA 😦
||Please Stop Using Incomprehensible Acronyms||

[swift nacelle]

that's a pretty common one, but sure

[karmic harness]

Well, i googled it, prior to replying to you and nope, sadly it isn't 😉

[swift nacelle]

huh, maybe not

🤷

[knotty ore]

🫲TIMETRAVEL🫱 and youre good to use any stuff you want.

[swift nacelle]

true!

[knotty ore]

want some challenge, take up your panzerfaust and try knock out the incoming slammer

[swift nacelle]

"Miller has stolen CSAT's new time machine!" *insert "the device" here* "Deploy to Normandy and fight your way through German lines to recover the device and bring Miller to justice."

also, any gear under the sun can be used by local insurgents

dudes in beanies with Jansport backpacks and Kar98s

aesthetic

[slow ember]

Is the MF WW2 on steam workshop yet I couldn’t find it under Mike force . Was wanting to play around by myself testing everything out.

[knotty ore]

Probably no.

[wraith sleet]

Do yal random decide to update a dlc

[knotty ore]

eh?

[wraith sleet]

Like one week csla get updated

2083 years from now western get a update

[knotty ore]

release date is sum of many things.

is content ready, has it been through QA, is there a release window available

its not random

just all stars need to align correctly

[viral bear]

What was the overall concensus of CSLA Iron Curtain?

[hazy pumice]

I like it, but it did have many issues at launch. The map is excellent nevertheless

[hallow parrot]

The map itself definitely worth of the price. Plus one more free map

[hazy pumice]

One day I'd like to combine GM and CSLA for an ALiVE Hof Gap campaign...

[daring knoll]

Has anyone else had issues with not being able to access the Editor when Spearhead and SOG:PF are loaded at the same time? Using Spearhead compat data.

It doesn't show up in the main menu, but I can work around it by hosting a server, and selecting a mission and clicking 3D Editor.

[fast dagger]

Yes when i first started spearhead i had all cdlc loaded. Main menu was bugged too

[devout turtle]

@lean sentinel maybe worth looking into compatibility between DLCs and menu's to access the editor?

as you sit between the two teams

unless this report is just someone not able to find the editor as we moved it in our menu

[mortal plaza]

We are aware of the issue. 🙏

[outer rapids]

So ive already got the Western Sahara Creator DLC... which one yall recommending to buy next?

[hazy pumice]

SOG: PF, GM or Spearhead depending on what you are into, then CSLA for sure

[molten wave]

I’d start with GM, since it has the biggest amount of community retextures, then SOG. Purchase Spearhead if you’re into WWII and save CSLA for the last, since it lacks the quality of other CDLCs

[tired wave]

All of them 🙂

[steady nest]

What era/setting do you want most... there's your answer

The critiques of CSLA tend to be about asset visual quality, however I've heard that the Gabreta terrain is worth the price of admission... and there's a bunch of dev-made content for CSLA which was released on Steam Workshop instead of a part of a regular update

[wraith sleet]

That a good idea

[devout turtle]

Doing my duty here

[prisma minnow]

Instructions unclear: get neither CDLC and watch Babylon instead.

[devout turtle]

Oh yeah i should have said that

Or donate his money to the food bank

[ashen geyser]

Figure out what you like bro. I've got all of the previous ones except SOG, and getting Spearhead next. Why haven't I gotten the best CDLC of all time you ask? I just don't find Vietnam that appealing. Probs will get it at some point, but for now I got what interests me the most. All the CDLCs are vastly different and you can enjoy each individually so just get what you like

[boreal crescent]

WW2 vs Vietnam? This is different.

[placid nymph]

Is there a particular reason why the Spearhead CDLC does not have its own channel within this Discord subgroup?

[sweet edge]

perhaps you don't see it because you don't have the user/rules-acknowledged roles

as in you haven't verified yourself neither reacted in the #rules or whatever the verification process was

[sinful cape]

i dont see it either and i for sure verified myself

[sweet edge]

well you don't have the roles either

everyone posting there has either the @user role or acknowledged-rules

[sinful cape]

welp, looks like i don't acknowledge the rules.

f the state

smash the capital

[hallow parrot]

@hearty arrow Looks like there is some permission issue there

[wraith sleet]

Yeah Just in general I don't think it's clear exactly what verifying does since I noticed no change myself when I did it

[sinful cape]

ok, i have verified myself now via that bot thingy. still can't see the spearhead disco tho

[sweet edge]

A shadowban then

[warm shore]

is isn't shown for me until i tick "Show All Channels" option for the server. And i have both of mentioned roles

[sweet edge]

if I unselect that option, #spearhead_1944 moves all the way top to "suggested channels". Maybe it's just Discord done another goofy update perhaps

[steady ravine]

That is so discord

[red saddle]

Still missing the checkmark emote on #rules

[sinful cape]

" Please respect each other in this Discord server and follow the above mentioned rules." not sure if i can do that, boss

that said, i'm 100% sure that i did this in the past

still no spearhead channel

[red saddle]

Can you see #spearhead_1944

[sinful cape]

hm yeah. if i click on it, this happens

[red saddle]

Maybe it doesn't show down there because it's up there

[sinful cape]

nah. it disappears if i click somewhere else

however, there was a "add to channel list"-button in the top right corner. clicked it and now it's visible in creator dlc category

[olive vortex]

It most likely did not add the new channel for you for some reason. Had it with #1056183794979328120 I had to find it in the list and add it manually.

[knotty ore]

Discord has the new option to customize channels you see so if you have used that it might disable new channels by default

[cosmic umbra]

What a great option

[rugged tulip]

Anybody knows why Spearhead 1944 CDLC doesn't have its own dedicated Discord channel on this Discord server? I mean - like the rest of the CDLCs (SOG Prairie Fire, Global Mob, CSLA, Western Sahara).

Maybe someone simply forgot to create it? (It happens.)

[silk jolt]

https://discord.com/channels/105462288051380224/1126847422035931156

[rugged tulip]

Why is it not visible under the "Arma 3 Creator DLC" section in the sidebar, though? Am I possibly blind?

For some obscure reason, it says it's not in my channels list and I must add it manually.

[hallow parrot]

Somehow, actually. Dunno, because some weird role issue

[sinful cape]

reason is actually written a few lines further above 😄

it's the same issue

[devout turtle]

it's hiding in the hedgerows

[rugged tulip]

So, apparently, a missing checkmark on the #rules has forbidden people from seeing Spearhead's channel where it's supposed to be. Nice? Nice.

[ashen geyser]

I see it

I've always seen it

[tepid heart]

IDK if this has been asked before, but why do the dlc's have to be selected in the launcher? It

It's very annoying to have to close the game and select each one from the launcher each time you want to play something different. Can't it be setup so we don't have to do this?

[karmic harness]

This won't be the answer you're looking for but if you want such behavior, you should... play Reforger instead 🥲 )

The way Arma is implemented makes unloading any loaded mod impossible, while the game is running

So same thing applies to CDLCs

[wraith sleet]

Has Reforger changed that?

[steady nest]

In-game Workshop access and dynamic mod loading yes

[sinful cape]

doesn't really sell it to me. i mean, restarting the game takes me less than a minute. not really a big deal.

[karmic harness]

And that's one of the most important changes for me.
You open the game, you check the servers and then "just join" whatever you want to join.

[wraith sleet]

It's a nice QOL thing

Multiple such friction reductions add up

[sinful cape]

guess it doesnt matter to me because i don't play mp

[hazy pumice]

How's that done, they load all mods at game start and just "activate" the ones needed per server or something different?

[red saddle]

This has been reported before.
Discord got a new feature that lets you disable channels.
When you go to the very top of the channel list, there is a "Browse Channels"
And somehow, it by default marks newly created channels as hidden.
And the spearhead channel was newly created.

I'd say, blame discord

[rugged tulip]

I keep repeatedly hearing that Discord is now successfully and continously ruining their own app.

F..e., recently they've introduced "Community Discords". And if you want to have a permanent Discord server invite URL for a newly-created server, you must become this public "Community server".

I'm not sure why'd they do this. Ad revenue? C-level ego? Just general messing up of things?

Of course, another possibility is increasing Nitro subscriptions count as more and more Discord users join different public / private servers.

And since it's easy to join a server, people have more of them in their profile, it's a bigger mess altogether.

And folks possibly start to feel the need of a premium subscription or smth.

[sinful cape]

i rather go back to irc than pay for discord 😄

[tepid lance]

Mondkalb slaps Lexx around a bit with a large trout

[gilded turret]

a lot of my servers are community servers now

i think it's very intrusive

[rugged tulip]

You get a lot of spam activity / quitters now?

[gilded turret]

no

well quitters ig

it just doesn't sit right with me

[rugged tulip]

I recently installed a modern ICQ (or whatever that was). It looks surprisingly good.

Maybe will make a comeback soon like Winamp?

[plush quest]

mIRC was our only channel for OFP information way, way, waaaaay back when I was part of OFPN. We'd be lurking there until one of ~8 Bohemians popped in with pre-release info. I still have all those logs in cold storage

[tired nymph]

are people playing much Dynamic Recon Ops, or what's the most popular and fun multiplayer mod/scenario?
I don't see many servers running mods with many players, from the browser

[knotty ore]

there are less 247 running servers and more gaming groups that play when they can

[tired nymph]

Do said gaming groups organise on discord or other?

[sinful cape]

probably on mIRC

[wraith sleet]

Check out #communities_arma3

[mild rain]

I've messed around a little with arma and all 5 CreatorDLCs yesterday... There should be a function that the mainmenu fall back into the standard Menu without any custum layout when 2 or more CDLCs are loaded.

Singleplayer editor isn't working with SPE and GM campaign will not show up when VN is loaded. This is crap.

[knotty ore]

how is the editor not working? and why would you need to run GM campaign when VN is loaded? they would not mix in there anyway

[mild rain]

I like to play the campaign wigh tpw mod and dmorchards DCX. Hinds, Cobras, Phantom and Migs fly over my head. Parking cars on streets. Ambientsound etc. It is much better feeling. Fx

[knotty ore]

well the dlcs are not designed to be run like that

[fading solar]

Wouldn't that require remaking the entire campaign?

[mild rain]

But it should if i want.

[knotty ore]

no

[sweet edge]

TPW adds stuff on top of scenarios so it doesn't need any remaking, however the chance of breaking somethingand/or decreasing the performance is way higher.

[mild rain]

No, you need tpw mod

[fading solar]

Oh, never heard of that.

[mild rain]

Its awesome

But it will stress your cpu🤣

CDLCs are a good replacement for RHS.

I like it

[fading solar]

Still, since the CDLC's can't have mod dependency's, and since they are all separate products technically, wouldn't it require editing the entire campaign?

Assuming you didn't want to use mods.

[mild rain]

The TPW Mod spawns other vehicles into your mission by it self

[olive vortex]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2642544745 load this to have all content restored.

[fading solar]

So, what was the issue again? I thought SOG had an option to disable the custom menu but maybe I'm remembering wrong.

[mild rain]

I know your mod😉 good work

Problem is CSLA and SPE together.

BI and our 3rd party studios should solve that issue. There are paying players who would like to combine CDLCs. A CreatorDLC cost money. It is not a mod.

[mild rain]

Your right. But the missions and campaigns are still hidden .

[knotty ore]

not really possible to do within the DLC program. they are built as individual packages

[mild rain]

And Vertexmacht did it that way.

And Lexx did it too. And it works fine.

A simple function... two ore more CDLCs are loaded. Arma 3 mainmenu will not be costumize.

[sweet edge]

if it was simple it would be added.

[sinful cape]

actually we just didnt modify the menu. there was no thought process behind it or anything. just didn't felt the need to do so.

our goal was to stay as close to the base game as possible. not everyone has that goal for one reason or another

[wraith sleet]

And I would say that WS feels the easiest to use

Other CDLCs do nice things like beautiful main menus and such but often can be a pain to navigate with or hide other stuff

Just go to showcases and pick one of them. Or go to scenarios and choose extraction. Simplez.

[tepid lance]

Same motivation we had for GM.

[mild rain]

This is the way

[devout turtle]

We designed our older classic menu style with kju 5 years ago as a joined up ww2 and vietnam based style, and redesigned the broken vanilla server polling interface to be much more functional and reaponsive. A handful of people wanted the old menu back so we added that option back in, along with veterans mod to bring back all the futuristic content if desired. No problem, no point complaining. You can have it all.

[mild rain]

I need a mod to play other campaigns when I want to spawn some Vietnamstuff in...
When csla and spe are loaded my menu is messed up a little and some bottons are not working .

There are players,fans, customer who like to play or create missions with more than one CDLC and combine some assets or functions. Like your revive modul fx. Awesome gadget btw.

[ashen geyser]

What's wrong with needing a mod?

If ya ain't using mods, ya ain't playing Arma right...

[devout turtle]

It was the only way we could do it, so there you go. It’s tiny too

[gilded turret]

the vietnam one?

i dont use mods because i dont have much space

[gilded turret]

so ig i aint playing arma...

i'll have to get my 4tb hdd installed

i store arma on my windows drive (its 500gb)

[ashen geyser]

There's plenty of small mods

[gilded turret]

ik

[ashen geyser]

Including the one you need

[gilded turret]

why does arma tactics have bad reviews on steam

im still fairly new to the arma games

also does iron curtain have us forces?

oh yep i saw it

[gilded turret]

sadly a chunk of them need CUP

which i cant afford with my hdd space

[ashen geyser]

Probably cause it's bad

Never played it

[ashen geyser]

I don't use CUP and I have a huge modlist

[gilded turret]

wait

does prarie fire have multiple maps?

do any of the dlcs have the soviets?

[ashen geyser]

Yes

[ashen geyser]

No

[gilded turret]

damn

[ashen geyser]

Plenty of soviet gear in GM tho

[gilded turret]

closest thing i assume is spetsnaz

[gilded turret]

is most of the east german gear basically soviet?

[ashen geyser]

A good amount

[gilded turret]

holy crap arma 3 can run on a 1.4 ghz i5?

on mac ofc

[ashen geyser]

If you're going off the minimun requirements on Steam, I don't believe they're up to date

[gilded turret]

oh

well on sog prairie fire it mentions m2 on macos

i only have one mac and i dont think it can run arma

im just looking out of curiosity

[ashen geyser]

There were significant graphical updates post Apex DLC

[gilded turret]

either way my pc is able to run it well

not max graphics

but decent

[ashen geyser]

Gaming on Mac...

[gilded turret]

no

i only have one mac and it probably cant run arma

wanna know the specs

ima assume yes

PowerPC g3 tray load imac g3 grape

also just bought prairie fire

so

what mod will i need?

@ashen geyser

[devout turtle]

No mod

[ashen geyser]

I thought you were the guy complaining about CDLC menus not being compatible with each other. Nvm

[gilded turret]

i aint

its weird but idc

[steady nest]

It was a turn-based tactics game, thus an entirely different genre, and I'm guessing intended for mobile phones/tablets and thus not that well-designed for KB/M?

[vale zodiac]

will they make a great war one?

[hallow parrot]

Nobody can say till the reveal, if there is one

[vale zodiac]

if they do make one then thats super epic

hopefully they buff meles more and add all types of land, air ,sea vehicles. that would be so dope

i wouldnt mind hissing but perhaps a bit of sprinting action for the charges

[wraith sleet]

id like to see some set in gulf war and iraq and syrian civil war and interwar period

[inner basin]

You can quite literally do that with RHS/CUP Stuff and the Western Sahara CDLC

Except the interwar period.

[wraith sleet]

alr

[hearty arrow]

as i cycled and updated all official servers including CDLC with A. hotfix B. profiling binary C. new CDLC data, please report to me (or just @dwarden me (the correct me)) if there are any server issues

[drifting dust]

Any known issues with running two cDLCs on a dedicated server at the same time? vn & gm? Trying to run a SOG PF mission with the GM Force Recon mode.

[steady ravine]

sog and gm has different main menu

[drifting dust]

Yes, I am able to run them both on my client and play the mission just fine.

[knotty ore]

what kind of issue do you have with the server?

[drifting dust]

No playable slots showing. Map for sure is there as its one of VN's maps.

[knotty ore]

did you make the mission yourself?

[drifting dust]

I grabbed two off the workshop from two different mission makers. They work fine if I host them off my own machine.

[knotty ore]

it may be something you need to ask from the mission makers. could be a bug in how they have set it up

if the DLCs are already requirements

[devout turtle]

Feel free to link the missions here and explain your command line and what missions are in your folder on the server

[daring knoll]

Sometimes you just need to re-start the mission select process, or sometimes you spend 6 hours only to figure out a picture you included in the mission causes this exact thing.

[opaque flame]

Really random question here, but are there any cdlc studios looking for additional members? Apart from keeping an eye on #creators_recruiting I havnt seen much about the actual studios. Sometimes they have websites etc, sometimes not really.

[foggy ravine]

Better to ask on their discord I think

[random crane]

all (public) cdlc teams have websites

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/S.O.G._Prairie_Fire

the tab on the right has the website for each

[knotty ore]

The #creators_recruiting is likely the spot to watch.

[devout turtle]

The only people we need right now are unreal programmers with 5-10 years experience 🙂

[mighty lynx]

Does anyone know if more DLC is planned for ARMA 3? It’s a shame they haven’t created ARMA 2 or OFP using the DLC as lots of the units are there (not sure how this could be cross charged to the different contributors).

[red saddle]

No more DLC are planned.
But you are in creator DLC channel.
If you mean more Creator DLCs, then that is possible, but none are currently announced

[steady ravine]

well if you want arma 2 or even ofp unit in arma 3 there is a CUP mod for that

[mighty lynx]

more the quality. Creator DLC is of good quality and given the variety of units it's got a sizable amount of what a ARMA 2 or OFP remake would need.

[knotty ore]

its a lot of stuff to make. Big DLCs are risky business and need a lot of skilled people.

[devout turtle]

Amen!

[queen atlas]

Hey before I spend money on it, did they fix CSLA Iron Curtain?

[hallow parrot]

"fix" as in?

[queen atlas]

I just heard it was broken and a lot of stuff was unfinished...although I'm only going off one video I watched back in 2021

[hallow parrot]

You can check compat file so see how is the current CSLA

[steady ravine]

some people didn't bother to update their review from 2021, don't listen to them, always review it yourself.

[queen atlas]

Alright

Hmm...Seems like despite not having any updates this year, they added a bunch of single player missions and campaigns as mods so that's neat

Maybe I'll pick it up and give it a shot when my refund clears later tonight. I bought my friend Arma 3 yesterday but they didn't like it so they let me refund it

[hallow parrot]

You can check compat file

[queen atlas]

Actually maybe I should do that instead of just buying it

I'm intelligent with my money I swear

[queen atlas]

Alright finally tried the compat file...I'm not sure how I feel about it

I don't want to be mean though I just would rather pick up that DLC when I have more money to burn and I'm not down to the last of my steam wallet

[steady nest]

For what it's worth, even when the assets playable in 2021 were criticized the terrain was considered by some to be worth the price of admission

[prime hollow]

Yes the Terrain is very good. I’d say it’s improved very much since release. I’d say get it if you already have SOG and GM

[steady nest]

Between GM and CSLA that's eight factions... half of which are BLUFOR, two OPFOR/REDFOR, and two GREENFOR/INDFOR

[cinder stone]

can i have all my cdlcs turned on at once just so i can get the guns

[steady ravine]

yes but expect conflicted menu, ui, and such

[lusty hawk]

How do I download S.O.G Prairie Fire on my dedicated server with STEAMCMD?

[devout turtle]

there is a creator DLC (server) branch

I think you set it to that - others should know how. Ive never had to do it myself sorry

[bitter flame]

https://steamdb.info/app/107410/history/

cdlc_private_beta is getting regular updates... content update for an existing CDLC or maybe a new one? What do we reckon

[devout turtle]

well it's not our fixpack, that's due for handover sometime in the new year

[crimson vapor]

pretty sure i remember an unannounced cdlc recruiting people for something in #creators_recruiting so i think there might be a new one

[lunar rivet]

I think that was 3-5 months ago... I believe it was a single post.

[cinder stone]

is there a way to run all dlcs at once with no multiplayer problems?

[hallow parrot]

Pretty much what Launcher said

[cinder stone]

aight

[steady nest]

Unlike the first party DLCs, the Creator DLCs were designed to only require the base game and thus did not have to take others into account

[knotty ore]

There should not be conflicts but also no guarantees that there are none

[random minnow]

id like to see a WW1 CDLC

[steady nest]

As has been the case with all prior CDLCs: if there is one, everyone involved is under a NDA 😉

[random minnow]

alr

[hallow parrot]

And I hope you've ever done a single line of modding yet

[random minnow]

what wdym

[hallow parrot]

Literally

You've tried to tell your ideas for years, and I wish your progress has been made since then

[random minnow]

alr

sorry

dw

i will go Learn modding

and making CDLCs

[hallow parrot]

#general_chat_arma message
You literally said this more than a year ago

[random minnow]

alr

im gonna stop chatting and talking bout that stuff then

[gilded turret]

uhm

correct me if im wrong but thats just West Germany and the US '85 soldiers

oh wait right denmark

but still not half

unless the AFMC or whatever it is is blufor but i thought that was INDFOR

well im wrong on that

[steady nest]

Right, they were added as BLUFOR in CSLA IC's 1.1 update

[gilded turret]

either way you're wrong

you said there were only two OPFOR factions

you goober

there's Poland, East Germany, and CSLA

easy to forget Poland tho so i dont blame you too much

[young geyser]

That is at least 10M revenue from A3 alone in 2023. Great numbers and shows that A3 still has a lot to give and it is very worth it to continue to invest in it 😉

[hallow parrot]

#reaction_forces plox @hearty arrow

[random crane]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2647760/Arma_3_Creator_DLC_Reaction_Forces/

Steam

Arma 3 Creator DLC: Reaction Forces

More From Rotators Collectivehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1681170/Arma_3_Creator_DLC_Western_Sahara/Fight fires from above in the Cougar medium utility helicopter or swerve from the beaten track in the MOOSE pickup truck to take on tier-1 operations with new weapons and equipment, from pistols and rifles to remote-controlled mortars and mi...

Release Date

Coming soon

[ebon sedge]

Where new chat

[half kestrel]

Legit just out here waiting for the channel

Love you dwarden

[plush quest]

Hi Melle 🚒 ❤️‍🔥

[fossil gazelle]

Just announced, not released yet, so I guess we need to wait a little bit longer as only Dwarden/Nillers/Leclair can do it 😬

[fossil gazelle]

Some lit a fire 😉 That explained the new released screenshot last week, guess they need some firefighting 😬

Quick reminder, if and when a new channel comes on this discord you will see it on the left top first and need to "add it" personally, the joy of the new discord settings 🙄

[fossil gazelle]

It's here: #reaction_forces

[narrow cradle]

Man big missed opportunity imo to not have WS and RF in vanilla Arma, could have dealt with it like Jets DLC

[hoary hollow]

Please tell me the TNVG is what I think it is

[sinful cape]

dont know what you think it is, but just to be on the safe side, it probably isnt 😄

[ashen geyser]

You can see it in the pics my man

Even if really small

[steady nest]

Unfortunately it seems like CDLC was what BI execs chose to instead of ever doing a Bravo Zero One Studios-style collaboration again, which is what made Jets DLC happen

[narrow cradle]

Yeah, it's unfortunate, especially with cdlc that is on theme and vanilla compatible

[steady nest]

In that regard you might as well blame BI for greenlighting WS and RF to begin with

In my mind though ever since the details of the CDLC program became clear, I abandoned any 'this should have been vanilla' impulse

[narrow cradle]

which is probably the pragmatic approach 😄

[somber ice]

Just something I want to know, what would be the problems/hurdles that an integration of Arma 3 Narrative cDLCs can and potentially will have?
I do think that doing it especially with the 2035 fitting ones could outweigh the problems that they may create. We've seen mutiple people asking on Twitter, Steam, Reddit and even other platform for espacially WS and now RF to be added to the base game.