creator_dlc_discussion

[urban remnant]

https://steamdb.info/app/107410/depots/

[molten ice]

it is possible that it could be a patch for one of the current CDLC's?

although I am not exactly asking any of the CDLC teams to disclose that (since they cant/wont)

[urban remnant]

My guess is it is probably its CSLA patch.

Could be Prague Content 2 but very unlikely

[near magnet]

https://youtu.be/tWif7Cj4VHM

Is it this?

I don't know if it's because I'm listening for it, but I can kinda hear it.

[devout turtle]

Yeah. You can mainly hear it from about 2m mark

Subtle

[grizzled sparrow]

Sahrani CDLC no balls

[steady ravine]

Just play CUP Sahrani instead

[grizzled sparrow]

[surreal sierra]

why no one make dlc or mod OP40 1961

[foggy ravine]

Thats oddly specific

[sweet edge]

make one then

[normal light]

So….no more CDLCs I guess?

[molten ice]

what makes you say that?

[steady ravine]

No new CDLC

until now

[lyric ingot]

Is CSLA worth it now? Or are there still problems?

[steady ravine]

well better ask them directly on their discord or #csla_iron_curtain

[lyric ingot]

Well, I think that their discord would be biased in favor of it, so that's not something I want to do

[sinful cape]

you can always check out the compatibility data on the workshop

allows you to preview most of the stuff of every cdlc

[jade otter]

There was never a set schedule or anything, they come out when they come out

[normal light]

Well I had noticed they were released on 3 month intervals.

[jade otter]

More probably from the fact they all started at the same time

Bohemia isn’t making them, you have to wait for devs to be ready to submit them

So it’s gonna be completely random

Especially now after the initial few

[sinful cape]

pure coincidence

[hallow parrot]

I would love to ask, try not to send meaningless posts

[hallow dew]

apologies

[grand sequoia]

CSLA has not had any big updates or content updates. It has released some skins to complement western Sahara CDLC and single player missions as mods. Both are planned to be in that next update. Also what do you mean fixed? It was never broken. The arma2 content was questionable and not better then some mods. The lack of communication is frustrating and continues to be an issue with CDLCs in general.

[lyric ingot]

There were problems with the tank turret turning acceleration, forcing passengers out of helicopters when you are the gunner, motorbike physics, some sounds being from vanilla arma 3, and some others that I don't remember. This is just my opinion and you may like some of these

[grand sequoia]

Ok I remember that feedback now. I think tank turret is fixed but don't see it in the hot fix changelog. So yeah it is still broken by your definition.

[bright eagle]

Getting further insight into future CDLC updates would be good. I understand if the teams don't wanna spoil anything (either that, or they've probably got a myriad of other reasons to keep quiet), but keeping us somewhat in the loop with what's going on would be nice.

[devout turtle]

We’d love to but its policy from Bohemia not to raise expectations, especially with semi-pro part-time teams involved.

If we drew you a roadmap of all the good things we want to bring you, you’ll be wondering where it is if that asset doesn’t get finished because the contracted artist gave up, or because we had to wait to release while bohemia was running QA for many months on its other games or whatever. We have to work around Bohemia and our own team limitations. But putting that caveat aside, what would you like to know?

[steady nest]

@lyric ingot @grand sequoia @bright eagle best place to look (if #csla_iron_curtain doesn't do it for you) is probably their own Discord https://discord.gg/Y8dW7Ag

[grand sequoia]

I made a forum post with my feedback. Since i can't really post it all here. https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/238185-feedback-about-communication-around-cdlc-updates/

[devout turtle]

thanks that's a very long post with a lot of unfiltered ideas and suppositions. it would be much simpler if you asked me a question and i will do my best to answer it. one at a time

essentially, you (through no fault of your own) lack a full understanding of the publishing process for creator DLCs

and a lot of your ideas won't work due to that

try a bullet list of short questions

and it's also best to approach dialogue in a manner of acceptance and listening rather than arguing points in great depth, which generally achieves very little.

im open to discussing things to see if any really good proposals arise

but not if you are here for an argument about your wishes, as that would be a bit pointless

[olive vortex]

Personally I believe people should value the DLCs based on the content that's already available in them, they should be bought only if customer sees enough value in what he can buy now. Expecting more (free) content is setting yourself for a disappointment.

But if it happens it's a nice surprise 😉

[sinful cape]

agreed

[olive vortex]

And due to that I do not see big need for open development roadmap.

[sinful cape]

buying a cdlc with the expectation that there will be more (free) content in the future is really bad, imo.

[olive vortex]

They cost less than skins in some games... you see what you can buy... expecting more for free is... meh.

[devout turtle]

a lot of games follow that principle, but they usually charge for extra dlcs even micro ones like 3 character skins

[olive vortex]

I have Dota 2 skins that cost more than Arma 3 + all the CDLCs...

[devout turtle]

essentially, once an update clears QA we are allowed to talk about it, but we usually do that as part of an organised marketing communications plan agreed and coordinated with our publisher (Bohemia) - to achieve the most impact for the release announcement

meanwhile in our own public dlc discord we frequently discuss ideas for new content, we have a wishlist, and we talk about why some things will never be added

we never confirm anything about a forthcoming update, except to say we are working on one

we also support there anyone who is modding things - like johnnyboy who has made some fantastic mods for our dlc already

he's made things we can't add in due to them being a bit hard to make work efficiently in multiplayer, but we're very happy to see them created as mods

we could release less optimised content as mods but that would generally be a waste of scarce resources for us. We did it for our mike force game mode so we could release it in a beta state, and continually update it separate from the normal publishing pipeline

another thing to consider is - people aren't requesting many updates to Apex DLC or Jets DLC or Tanks DLC... so why ask creator DLCs for updates all the time?

[sinful cape]

because there has been a precedence already :p

can't blame people for that

[silk jolt]

And because in regards to SOG you yourself said, you would do 😛 - and you did already

[devout turtle]

you mean because we released an update, we should expect demands for more?

[sinful cape]

nah, other cdlcs had content updates, more than once. this may make people believe this is standard

[devout turtle]

whereas a single package dlc like Tanks didn't, so it's immune

just seems a bit i dunno demanding

[sinful cape]

but that only holds up if you see cdlc as the same as regular dlc - which we know many don't do

[devout turtle]

i worked on both and there's very little difference except the publishing pipeline

[sinful cape]

yes. just saying that other people perceive it differently. if they are right or wrong is a different thing, imo

i don't know how to put it in words better. though at the same time, i feel uneasy talking about it anyways, considering we released cdlc and thus people will weight our words a lot.

[devout turtle]

we have a happy community in our discord who are all understanding the process and limitations because we have a great community that explains it to new guys. it's nice to not be nagged about stuff.

[silk jolt]

Isn't it that BI DLCs brought updates to the whole basegame?

[devout turtle]

yeah because of the publishing pipeline, which creator DLCs do not share.

our work is separate, except for a few tickets we put through the busy bees supporting the A3 engine still

i wish we could fix locking behaviour in 2-seater planes for example

i may eventually get a ticket adopted by the A3 devs, but can't promise...

[silk jolt]

I know. And as far as I know there can't be a dependence on a CDLC. Therefor only updates can expand it

Both GM and SOG (and CSLA) did not expand the original game setting. What the BI DLC did.

[devout turtle]

that's just our teams choices, it's not a fundamental defining difference, it's a historical accident

i watch other dev teams modding or expanding other game titles, and they give monthly updates and they have a good following cheering them on, but after several years of development when there is still no release, have they worn out their enthusiasm?

do they become yesterdays news even before they release?

that's the "coin-toss" on which bohemias publicity policy rests. i think their decision has completely sound logic to it. you could equally choose to publish roadmaps, but if you don't do it for the main studio full of paid professionals managed by competent producers, why would you do that for amateur studios full of part-timers working around main jobs and busy lives?

[silk jolt]

That's not what I'm talking about and the urge to keeping things fresh and a rather fast derease in interest is certainly not limited to the gaming industry.

[devout turtle]

it seems a bit mad to do it

in a future engine, or with another publisher, it may be a thing we do, who knows? maybe even a kickstarter or patreon setup like some people use

[silk jolt]

Yeah

But interdependence between DLCs is also always critized

[devout turtle]

like i say - it's a bit of a coin-toss rather than deciding one way is right and perfect

[grand sequoia]

I'm actually not interested in the roadmaps. I just wanted to question why there seems to be a communication black out around CDLC'S. Now I know.

[steady nest]

This was how Arma 3 could/should have been regarded while in that six-month 'Early Access'-that-really-wasn't period

[fickle lotus]

just wondering

what would happen if you loaded a CDLC and the compat data at the same time

[olive vortex]

Nothing it's the same data. Game might load longer.

[obtuse pumice]

It explodes

[loud apex]

My brain at 3am ^

[wraith sleet]

ANy good afganistan campaigns?

[sweet edge]

no

[hallow parrot]

Just a thought an curious, do CDLC partners have an access to a cloud in-game statistics system? Like what Bohemians done in Remnants of War campaign and its “how many players selected the decision X” statistics

[olive vortex]

no

Would be cool to have some sort of telemetry in mission to be able to balance them better etc.

But that would need game exe adjustments for every CDLC.

[hallow parrot]

Both lame and understandable

[olive vortex]

Same for achievements.

[olive vortex]

Could write a rant about it here but NDA

[red saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/898797396757200896.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[olive vortex]

[hallow parrot]

I mean, we both signed to the same NDA so...

[devout turtle]

ooh popcorn

[molten ice]

👀

[karmic harness]

You could do this in SQF if you really wanted to.
Back in the day, when "everyone" was complaining that "no one" has Apex so that we should not play missions on Tanoa, we did a simple GET /apex/yes and GET /apex/no with LoadHtml to prove them that "everyone" was actually just 20%

[olive vortex]

Yes, aware about it but it's not perfect, you need own backend, somebody could easily send "bad" traffic etc.

co10 Escape uses this for their stats.

[karmic harness]

True, but in theory same applies for official telemetry, although that one would be much harder to fake

[sinful cape]

i don't think BI would be happy about it if we let our missions call to a random servers 😄

[devout turtle]

We have a backend server with sogpf, all above board and tickety boo

[red saddle]

couples weeks ago implemented DLC thingy into my launcher, very nice to have a automated way to see everyones DLCs :3 (I just call steam api via steam_api.dll :D)
Most players have SOGPF (And apparently I am one of the few who don't 🤔 #bugsAreFun)

[sinful cape]

that sounds like cheats

[hallow parrot]

Gib ur secret stuf

[devout turtle]

dedmen you dont have SOGPF? do you want a key?

[red saddle]

I have it 😄

Just my broken code thinks I don't

[devout turtle]

ah ok

we even made you a fox or whatever that thing is

[steady nest]

Me neither

[keen comet]

whats the 'correct' way to play the creator DLCs in terms of mods? just vanilla + the 1 specific creator DLC that you want to play?

[devout turtle]

Depends on the mission or game mode mostly, or the community you play with

You can load creator dlcs together, or add in ace or tfar or acre, or a big mod like cup or rhs or 3cb or unsung redux to expand assets, or island mods

[keen comet]

the game wont brick out if i load all the creator DLCs at the same time?

[devout turtle]

It might, not tried that yet

I know some people run sog and gm together ok. There is even a mod that builds factions using both our assets

We dont generally update base classes

So there should be no reason they wont work together

[jade otter]

ive had no issues running all of them

tho expect longer load times and such

[lunar rivet]

I've had no issues running all of them at the same time either.

[prisma mountain]

In general SOGPF is pretty fine tuned to it's CDLC. It's still playable with other DLCs or even other CDLCs but expect some difference in how AI behave with PF weapons and how their default uniforms have armor resistance in them.

It also overrides some visuals, sounds, and menus.

[keen comet]

ill jsut load each dlc separately

which of the cdlc's has the best campaign for a solo player

[prisma mountain]

I believe GM has the only Single player Campaign, with the others having campaign cadres to coop. I could be 100% wrong though as I haven't played all of them.

[sweet edge]

CSLA has a campaign that is available on workshop

Western Sahara has extraction, not really a campaign, but it's definitely playable in singleplayer and will entertain you for 3 or 4 hours depending on how much stuff you want to grind

[devout turtle]

sog does have 2 campaign style SP missions and a SP flying mission, and you can try the campaign in solo mode, but it's much better with friends

[keen comet]

arma3sync seems to load all CDLCs automatically. how can i make it stop

[knotty ore]

since its 3rd party program you may need to contact its makers for that answer

[sweet edge]

A3Sync is a launcher and mod synchronization software to help you connect to private servers assuming you're a part of a private group and it uses A3Sync, otherwise there is no reason for that

CDLC is a 3rd party DLC from Creator program

[hallow parrot]

And this, very topic is the general topic to discuss about the CDLC things

[vivid lynx]

htmlLoad with getPlayerUID and getDLCs 1 can give you poor mans dlc statistics

or just some remote calls from server and diag_log responses on the server instead of htmlLoad

[hallow parrot]

Ahh, that's a neat stuff

[glacial tendon]

So if someone took the time to make a WW2 modded mikeforce version would that be against the TOS of the DLC?

[knotty ore]

That level of modification would be against current license of Mike Force

At this stage of MF development it would be quite bad idea since MF still changes a lot and that kind of change would not transfer over with updates. So it would have to be remade every time MF updates.

[devout turtle]

We may change this soon but not quite yet

[raw apex]

is mike force out of beta or whatever it was?

[devout turtle]

not yet, close though

[young geyser]

No need to rush it... It is already the most authentic experience in the Arma Universe even in Beta, so it would be great it gets all the love it can get

[limber scaffold]

What is Mike Force

[knotty ore]

Mike Force is cooperative Player versus AI game mode designed by SOGPF developers to play fun action packed map conquest

[devout turtle]

https://youtu.be/v8IJGXqCf2o

https://youtu.be/nE0H-o_JV9M

https://youtu.be/ZXmBeSoxA2A

https://youtu.be/Owu4ArLEAh8

https://youtu.be/0DUAkYeA_rg

We should make a mike force playlist on our channel

[graceful abyss]

Will creator dlc ever be made available like marksman where it just gives you a watermark

[sweet edge]

you can already achieve that with "Compatibility Data for Non-Owners" you can use stuff from the cDLCs with watermarks but you can't use the terrains

compat data packs for DLCs are available on workshop

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1776428269 here's an example of GlobMob data compat

[graceful abyss]

That’s kinda the issue right I know a few groups that like the creator dlc but don’t wanna lock out players who don’t have it it kinda splits the group

That and some of the creator dlc’s are missing assets or missing a number of things

[sweet edge]

compat packs and og cDLCs are 1:1 in terms of content, only accessibility to some of them is limited, it works the same way Contact DLC or Apex DLC can be accessed by people not owning them, so all assets, no map

[graceful abyss]

Yeah it’s sad tbh

[sweet edge]

if you have ideas how to make the Creator programme better, you can always message Bohemia Interactive, I bet it will be moved on to Arma 4 and now it's actively used too. But remember that people have to earn money from that and giving away all the content with a watermark slapped on it won't make people consider buying it.

[graceful abyss]

Oh yes it will

Watermarks work very well

[sweet edge]

DLCs normal price is about 20 bucks, during Steam sales it can go down even to 15%-20% of the original value.

[graceful abyss]

I’ve been disappointed time and time with creator dlcs so

Contact was good tho

[sweet edge]

I was not disappointed with any of them

¯_(ツ)_/¯

and maps are always good so having them behind the paywall is justified, everything else that could not work properly or look bad is accessible within the compat pack

[graceful abyss]

Maps do look good I will give you that

[knotty ore]

even the map can be previewed with the compatibility data if I remember right. so one can make a informed decision to buy or not.

just like with Apex and Contact and their maps

DLCs dont really divide community any more than mods do. Some people like some DLCS and some mods and they play together, other people like other DLCs and other mods and they play together

[graceful abyss]

All the community’s I’ve seen don’t use creator dlc because we don’t expect everyone to buy a $30dlc to play with us the compat mods do kinda fix that tho

[sinful cape]

not every cdlc costs that much :>

[sweet edge]

as I said before, price goes down during Steam sales, especially during the big ones.

lowest price for GM was like 11 bucks.

[graceful abyss]

Still you think a whole community can and will buy that?

[sweet edge]

my community could so why other couldn't?

[graceful abyss]

I dunno just something my and my sister community have been talking about for a few years

[sinful cape]

if they are playing arma for years, i think they can spare a couple bucks for new content

[graceful abyss]

People come and go we’ve been trying to grow but it’s been slow we have grabbed a few new players tho

[sinful cape]

in worst case you can just boot up the server with the compatibility data. then it works exactly like the normal watermark stuff

[knotty ore]

theres many communities playing SOGPF who are active in the SOGPF discord

but those communities you speak of dont probably play same mods either and same style so there isnt really any more special division going on with DLCs

[knotty ore]

"a whole community" is a bit fluid term aint it. Communities grow around shared interests so if some current community stops sharing interest they might split

[graceful abyss]

Yep right about that

[devout turtle]

if you like playing games, gotta pay the developers 😉

no point fussing about it tbh. buy or buy not, there is no try

[graceful abyss]

Ye I’m aware

[pastel pendant]

Mine could

[split sentinel]

Mark my words, this thursday something happens with cdlcs.

I can feel it

[sinful cape]

is this like when the knee tells you it will be raining

[split sentinel]

Exactly

[wraith sleet]

Mark my words. BI will never let down its community. Just like it always have been.

[loud apex]

Lmao

[split sentinel]

Well, forget my words

[dim narwhal]

Thursday is not over yet

[glass zodiac]

i hope that some day you move this DLC in to ARMA REFORGER.

[loud apex]

Which one ?

[glass zodiac]

the DLC Prairie Fire

[devout turtle]

#sog_prairie_fire channel best!

And thanks. It may be a possibility, or not! Can’t confirm any plans, and we’re still committed to arma 3 for some years yet. Reforger isn’t even close to ready for us.

[steady ravine]

isn't CDLC assets are not own by BI (i think) and the creator can do whatever they want with their assets?

[devout turtle]

Source files are not licensed to bohemia, only ebo packaged content.

[devout turtle]

for any creator dlc projects based in the US, it's well worth looking into creative tax credits. there are some other countries who offer them too. really worth exploring. Here's a great guide i found on US tax credits, by state
https://www.wrapbook.com/blog/film-industry-tax-incentives

one of the best states for it is Georgia, here's a detailed summation of their approach
https://www.wrapbook.com/blog/georgia-film-tax-credit

[devout turtle]

early discussion with your accountants can save you a lot of money.

[wraith sleet]

Will CDLC still be updated? With like more content and bug fixes etc?

All CDLC* hence i have all of them

[split sentinel]

I have to say, I didn’t gear anything from csla team (but to be fair, I don’t read too much on their discord) but all other 3 teams confirmed working on some kind of update, which is of course not a guarantee.

[wraith sleet]

Understandable

[devout turtle]

yes, we have an update due out soon, over 300 fixes, and new content and features, just can't confirm what, or when 🙂

[wraith sleet]

That's awesome

[split sentinel]

Ouhh, sounds nice. I’m really hoping for a spooky, but the update will be awesome, regardless if it has one

[devout turtle]

no plans for a spooky

[sinful cape]

every day is a spooky around here

[split sentinel]

whaaaat?☹️

specific reason for that?

[devout turtle]

yeah we haven't prioritised it

[split sentinel]

It’s a shame:/

But alright, thats just how it is then

[devout turtle]

planes take a lot of time and effort.

[near magnet]

A Spooky is an AC-47 right?

I'll admit I haven't looked too far into the planes so IDK if it's in already.

[split sentinel]

yes.

[split sentinel]

yeah, I heard that as well. but sadly they are one of the things arma players like the most^^

[devout turtle]

im a big fan obviously, but jets dlc was hammered when we brought it out, people saying what's the point of jets in arma etc. so im not sure there are huge crowds of jet fans in arma, serious pilots think DCS is much preferred

personally i love them, and that's why we are continuing to add planes. but having about 30 in unsung is not an indicator that there would be more than a small handful in a paid dlc. as they take a huge amount of effort to do

[near magnet]

I don't think there's a huge market for air to air combat in ARMA. Just given the map sizes, anything even close to supersonic will traverse them in a matter of seconds.

I do think people really like CAS planes though.

[devout turtle]

the ones in unsung were donated by other games as free giveaways, and licensed into the mod

so they have fairly basic cockpits etc

nightintruder, me, snoops and tetet (mainly) worked them over a lot in there to bring them up to arma 2 levels, with jets dlc and carrier functionality added after jets dlc came out

but making planes from scratch, well it takes a lot of skill and determination

we plan to add more, but if we only add a few we're not going to make a spooky

there's already a great ac130 mod and a fun ac47 in unsung

and they do just fine

i think people want opfor planes to dogfight

and probably some more classic CAS planes

so that's where our interest is mainly

i'm also not a huge fan of rear wheel steering with physx

which kinda pushes A-1E / AC47 to the back burner

[split sentinel]

Damn, that’s the other thing I hoped for😄

[hallow parrot]

More like... I wish Arma planes are enjoyable 😩

[split sentinel]

Eh, I like helicopters better by a lot but planes can still be a lot of fun

[lilac plank]

Yeah something for planes, they could implement an advanced flight model for them; enabling cool tricks like lateral spins, sort of like what was going down in topgun maverick!

[hallow parrot]

I don't think realistic plane would fit into Arma world scale. It's better to have more of semi-Battlefield-ish semi-casual slow planes instead IMO

Guess if it is, they need to have better armor, since slower means easier to shoot down

[devout turtle]

i'll always love flying the A-10 or AH1/ AH64 in sahrani or chernarus or takistan - some of my favourite arma moments. the AV8 too was cool.

[pastel pendant]

ah-1 cobra fits sahrani so nicely

the one from sog with a sahrani paintjob ❤️

that old roundy cobra model

[devout turtle]

i also switched my evo to opfor and played in the ka50 and mi24 (thanks to rhs) back in arma 1

[pastel pendant]

i liked flying the huey in sahrani

the SLA huey in the northern part of the map, dodging mountains

just a good vibe

[devout turtle]

yeah. even in a2 i loaded up that map with PRACS mod and played arma 1 style all over again

i shifted to that island way off the north east coast

[pastel pendant]

i remember being a kid and loading sahrani in A2, to this day i'm yet to see a more gorgeous map than that

[devout turtle]

and we used to capture the whole main land sector by sector from there

my old photobucket account is full of pics of A10s and cobras and littlebirds flying around sahrani

arma planes fit nicely between the realism of DCS and the goldfish bowl claustrophobia of BF/ rising storm etc

being able to eject and evade is something DCS must sorely lack

arma is the only game that really gives me that excitement that the terrain below you is alive with menace and opportunity

we'd love to see more of our assets in sahrani for sure, was just talking about it this morning in fact

[steady ravine]

Good thing BI calls it CDLC and not paid mods or they will be on hot water just like Bethesda with their paid Skyrim mods. but then again CLDCs are indeed having more quality than regular mod and supported by BI and CLDC team.

[devout turtle]

Our team has invested $2m into our dlc. Its certainly not a mod, and its not paid off yet, so we didnt really do it for the money. Its far from a paid mod lol.

Our investment was much higher than anything from Bohemia. Our team made it happen. We are rightly proud of what we achieved.

We are grateful we had a stable platform to develop on.

Looking at other engines you can quickly see that having something with a working editor and AI and tools and simulation for everything from weather to buildings to vehicles to ballistics… it makes for a great starting point to create your gaming vision on

[wraith sleet]

Anybody heard of any creator dlc in the works? I hope there are still some creator dlc projects on arma 🙏 🙏 🤞 🤍

[knotty ore]

There has been no news on such things at this time. People who work on these things have signed NDAs so its not really polite to try to get people in trouble by asking stuff like this

[steady ravine]

or there is project but we dont announce it

-yet

[loud apex]

I'm pretty sure there's one being in development but without an official announcement, nothing is concrete.

[compact magnet]

what if…all the cdlcs were a feint (if you know you know) to test out what setting would be the best setting for arma 4…?

#showerthoughts

[karmic harness]

Our team has invested $2m into our dlc
Quite an expensive test, if you ask me 😉

[compact magnet]

(its a joke fyi)
and yes

also knowing game budgets these days 2 mil for what you guys got is actually like amazing

[split sentinel]

they already announced the setting for arma 4

[compact magnet]

wait for real?! what is it…?

[split sentinel]

yes

gimme a second

https://reforger.armaplatform.com/faq (official arma reforger faq link)

look at "connection to arma 4"

[compact magnet]

oh so its the same setting?

[split sentinel]

yes

so it would seem

I'd guess, maybe there'd be like the reforger stuff as an extra and 2035 as the main setting, but that seems unlikely. so I would say cold war will be the main setting

[compact magnet]

not amazing but eh not bad either

[split sentinel]

what had you hoped for?

[compact magnet]

modern

like well

gwot era

like 2010-2020

but thats just my personal pref

[split sentinel]

well, from a developer point of view, it would make more sense to have a modern setting I think. because that way you have the fundamentals in the engine for modern technologies like drones, fire and forget etc.
in cold war, that technology doesn't make sense, leading me to the question if there will be the engine fundamentals for modern stuff, or if that will be something modders have to do themselves

[compact magnet]

im not too keen on 2035, while yea people who say that its already pretty modern its in this like uncanny valley where they got some stuff right but only the surface level

[compact magnet]

see thats exactly what i thought cuz if they start with modern from the get go modders could just work backwards, but with cold war the devs would either have to pull double duty and make a frame work for things that wont actually be in their game let the community figure it out

[split sentinel]

exactly that's the thing I'm concerned about. from a ressource point of view it wouldn't be worth it to create all of the framework if they ain't gonna use it in the main game, but not having it in game could scare off quite some people

[compact magnet]

i mean for more modern things like body armor they would have the framework there (for pasgt and 6b2 and stuff) but with say if a modder wanna make a jpc, would it just be like in a3 where the armor’s just jacked up, although i would hope for armor degradation

[devout turtle]

the 2 mil budget includes future updates, not yet revealed

[steady ravine]

some Russian Spetsnaz in Vietnam?
or or CIA in civilian uniform?
Australian forces and the Brits??

To be concluded...

[split sentinel]

marines?:0

by the way, were delta force a thing in vietnam? and the rangers? or would those be out of SOG's scope?

[devout turtle]

No, delta was formed by former sog members and other ussf in about 1976 iirc

Thanks to our close working with SOA we know a few founding delta members, though never had much to work together on

Ranger units existed before and after vietnam

In vietnam they were running recon inside vietnam whereas sog did it outside south vietnam

We have them in the dlc as LRRP units

No brits in nam (dressed as anything british)

[steady ravine]

Australian it is then

how about french soldier? you guys can use the voice protocol from Apex for them

[devout turtle]

australians are on the wishlist yeah

we have quite an extensive one on our forum

[compact magnet]

i cant wait to recreate that one bo1 mission if the first one goes through

i think if i were to guess, the usmc would prob be top priority then more vehicles that could be used for aussies down the line
-chinooks
-skyhawks
-c-130 would be great
-maybe m113s

and then the australians gets added or vice versa

but the point is if i were savage game design i would try to make assets that could be stretched for as far as possible instead of making minute bespoke assets that could only apply to a select few scenarios

[devout turtle]

Ive only heard (about 2 weeks ago) from a special forces colonel who said he witnessed british sas in nam. I said to him are you sure they weren’t kiwi? And he said yes they spoke just like you

They were very polite and calm and they paid close attention to everything he said as he briefed them on his battles with the nva

It may come up in a future podcast but we have to check if its still classified. I can say what ive said as its generic and non attributable, but if we can get that on the record it would be quite a scoop

Ive heard directly that russian and chinese sf advisers were seen and even spoken to on the radios

One team almost captured one but knew theyd be in serious trouble if they did bring him back so they reluctantly let him pass

(I dont believe that - i think they killed him and his team)

Its fascinating working with these guys who have seen and done so many undocumented and formidable things

But we agree with your opinion that rounding out the vietnam war setting in general is preferred to adding obscure assets

Now if we could generate somehow another 100k or 200k sales, we’d have enough income to make every asset that was in theater

And we would do it

In the meantime we have to be choosy as budgets are limited

Our core team are happy to keep going and churning out assets they may never be fully paid for, but attracting new artists is not easy when that is the situation

But once we break even, it wouldn’t be an issue

Its a bit crude to talk about money, but its the reality of making games. You cant just magic work out of thin air

If we could open a patreon for assets we would do it in a heartbeat, but its not really allowed as it steps into the world of “promising” which is a fundamental value that opposes bohemias very sensibly thought out values over 20 years of making hit games

We need 10 grand for each vehicle

And 10-20 grand for a new terrain

Thats art/encoding costs but theres also translation, management, finance, qa, core encoding, sound, programming etc as on costs

We are also very lucky to work with Opengroup as a sponsor because they have provided us with over 50 free servers plus technical support and other things for several years and never charged us a cent for it. And its a long term relationship. Without them we’d be spending a LOT on backend stuff instead of new content

We met with several other hosting companies who were asked about being a sponsor and they were only interested in how much they could charge us.

They are soon taking over our IT support and core data servers too, reducing in-house costs further by about $20k

So you can see why we are very happy to have such an amazingly generous partner as it relieves us of stress and extra management burdens while freeing up cash to pay off the team and make new assets

They do it because they love arma

And so do we and the other dlc teams here im sure

[half tusk]

@devout turtle any thoughts on adding RoK forces?

[devout turtle]

also on the wishlist

we have a lot of korean fans

[dim narwhal]

I hope BI gives CDLCs more spotlights in the public

[karmic harness]

What would you want BI to do more than it already has done?

[dim narwhal]

More publicity on social media, more screenshots, video clips. Right now they only advocate CDLCs when there's a sale or an update.

[devout turtle]

we would endorse that yes 🙂

[dim narwhal]

BI takes 50%, I think they should do more than that

[young geyser]

BI is struggling just to make the Reforger servers stable and you want them to do more? To me it kinda seems like they are way over their heads on bigger troubles. Yes, one would bring in more money but the other is about keeping their reputation and also preventing Reforger's steam review scores doing a "Diablo Immortal" on them.

[knotty ore]

Might point out that very different people are involved in all the different aspects of BIs business and development. Its not the reforger coders who deal with any of CDLC stuff.

[young geyser]

Good point but I was just pointing out the single most pressing issue BI is dealing with. Of course Reforger still needs the other people for example the Marketing department working on an eventual "COME BACK TO REFORGER WE HAVE WORKING SERVERS NOW" promotional campaign etc. The thing with the CDLCs is that they seem to require lots of different "approvals" just to make things move a bit and eventually any idea to promote them or move the program further is stalled by someone among the line of people who "approves" ideas/initiatives etc.

Basically, as I see it, is that BI is structured like those older companies with plenty of bottlenecks everywhere. The modern practice of having independent teams given enough "power" and "resources" to make their own agendas come into fruition is a no go for those kind of companies.

[devout turtle]

Reforger is going to take time. That was understood from the opening announcement. Not much point despairing about server pops at this stage i think.

[uncut meadow]

The only way to get a diablo immortal review is to be diablo immortal, hopefully we'll see less of the reason why it got such a score happening in future.

[glass zodiac]

i like to see IDF

[daring knoll]

Aegis adds a 2035 version of IDF, using mostly vanilla assets like the armor and Tavor

IIRC it also uses reskinned versions of vanilla uniforms and gear where applicable, so if you want vanilla-alike, that's your best bet.

[wraith sleet]

does CUP SOG GM and CSLA share same damage values

that means a gm rpg does the same damage to a csla tank

afaik cup is fully compatible with vanilla

[daring knoll]

I believe GM has its own custom values tweaked to be more realistic according to them. I think in comparison with the SPG-9, the GM version has higher penetration, but less damage.

Generally, I think GM is compatible with vanilla.
Not sure about CSLA, I tried to test about a year ago and they seemed similar

[wraith sleet]

noted

im making a cold war modlist thats why x)

and cup has more stuff than RHS

[devout turtle]

Essentially no. There was no deliberate planning to harmonise dlc content.

[daring knoll]

I have held off on downloading Free World Armory for a while, but after just subscribing a few minutes ago, I am blown away by it, at least by the models and variety. It has many things I didn't expect in there, and can pair quite easily with most cDLCs and help unify them

[deep cape]

I think they'll need alot more than fixed servers to make the players come back now, its arma, there needs to be an update where they add some heavy vehicles so it feels like Arma. Like atleast some more apcs and helis, need more content.

[wraith sleet]

Is RHS compatible with cDLC, I've seen some weird stuff

[undone raven]

GM is generally compatible with vanilla and within the same sphere of values as Vanilla is (not the same but similar, usually focused on more precise penetration behaviour), this was done to ensure maximum compatibility with as many mods and addons as possible.

[devout turtle]

SOG also uses vanilla as a baseline for most things.

[steady ravine]

GM works well on Reforger (CSLA too), if they decide to remake their assets to Enfusion (Reforger)

time setting wise

[wraith sleet]

cDLC with RHS is a no i assume?

[daring knoll]

RHS uses a custom armor system. Unless you have RHS as a dependency, you will not have similar behavior.

[wraith sleet]

I mean is gm rpg same effect as the rhs one

I want to add factions and not mish mash rhs and cup

It's kind of a hard decision

[daring knoll]

I stay away from RHS because it is not very compatible with vanilla damage and armor.

Especially their vehicles.
Damage effects dont mean anything - its what goes on under the hood that does, and RHS uses a different system to my knowledge.

My standard 2035 modset has vanilla, cDLC, and CUP, since they are quite compatible.

[steady ravine]

RHS has LV6 armor which is broken

[wraith sleet]

mmmmm ihave a small bias towards rhs i kinda like it more but i see

alright

since i cant get the dutch with cup

aaa

i fucking hate this

[daring knoll]

RHS's armor is known to not work alongside vanilla and vanilla-aligned configs.

[wraith sleet]

hmm okay, how can i get the yugos in cup tho

cold war mods are so ass in arma aaaaa

rhs has very good things

cup has very good things like uk army with working tanks and shit

rhs has livonian peoples army and other good stuff

kill me now

[wraith sleet]

can you help me make a good cold war modlist or else ill go ballistic

[daring knoll]

Gonna be honest, the most I use for Cold War right now are the cDLCs, and sometimes Free World Armory if you want

[wraith sleet]

ik im using gm

[hard mauve]

Have a look at RHS with 3CB BAF (Vehicles, Weapons, Factions) for British and 3CB Factions, search "3CB" on Steam.

[wraith sleet]

i just need help since cold war is the only modlist that i cant make up my mind

[wraith sleet]

yea yea 3cb soviets and russians, they are pretty good

thing is cdlc and rhs i heard dont play nice with eachother

[hard mauve]

You might find it harder to kill RHS tanks with vanilla or dlc AT, that's about it. So just swap out the AT weapons for RHS. Probably a few other minor issues, but really nothing that's going to break the game. There's a reason RHS won the Make Arma Not War prize.

[wraith sleet]

I understand but idk, as far as i know rhs uses a different damage model
CUP, SOG, GM and CWR are all basically compatible with eachother

[hard mauve]

Good thing is, RHS, 3CB, CUP, etc, all free to try out. Even the dlc's have free compat to try out.

RHS uses the same game engine as everyone else, just a slightly different approach to the strength of armor. Don't get hung up on it until you tried it, and if you don't like it, don't use it.

[wraith sleet]

Hm

What about tanks

Can a T-55 CDLC kill a T-55 RHS?

[hard mauve]

Have you bought the cdlc with the T-55? Do you have some spare disk space? Do you have the internet? Answer yes to all 3 and within an hour you can probably be finding out for yourself with some fun experiments.

[tacit pumice]

Generally yes, and vice versa. It would depend on your additional mods load, something like ACE with its advanced damage system may change your results, bit I(or my group) have not had issues, sometimes complete destruction will not happen but crew dismount almost always happens

[wraith sleet]

Aight

well now i gotta find a british army mod that isnt cup

[hard mauve]

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=909680404

But this channel is for discussion of creator dlc's, so it's possibly getting a bit off topic.

[young geyser]

I guess everyone is back on Arma 3 again, so probably BI will soon give the order to keep working on the platform that is alive

Source: #screenshots_arma message

[hallow parrot]

You know what, I would love to see more 2035 CDLCs

But... 2035 is a hatred timeframe 😩

[devout turtle]

Well 7 million people bought the game so i guess more disliked by military sim clans who prefer real world scenarios rather than hated?

The quality of the tech and kit in vanilla game is superb

Its just not something i would ever load up and use

I even helped make some of it and never use it

Named some of it, so youd think id want to use it

But no, im stuck in the steaming jungles of the 1960s lol

I do wonder what it would be like to questionnaire all 7 million owners about their interests

That would be fascinating data

I wonder if we could convince bohemia to commission some research like that and share the findings with creator teams

What is your favourite era?
What is your favourite game mode?
What do you use arma for?
What are your favourite mods?
What is the best way to sell additional content?
What features would get your friends to buy the game/ dlc?
Etc

Im sure that some of that data is extractable from steam anyway

But only for active players

[pastel pendant]

i like playing with 2035 stuff, just wish CSAT received a bit more love and a better uniform like the russians did, there's a mod on the workshop, DVK csat overhaul that IMO does the most perfect ideal job to make a well believable CSAT

[random crane]

i think the amount of creative freedom 2035 offers is undervalued

also if you have a small team you get most of the work done by BI, rather than having to make an entire faction worth of assets for example

i guess working on WS made me reevaluate that 🤔

[devout turtle]

yeah smaller DLCs are inevitably much more profitable to work on

I was given that advice in the early days but we had big ambitions

we'd rather risk not making profit and make the game we wanted than cut it down to a small pack

WS is a great example of making a LOT with a lot less

very smart design

[lilac badger]

I think Arma 4 will have space for many dozens of quality creator DLC. In the past many devs were not keen on Arma because of its technical limitations. This new engine is great; it's only your own technical limitations you have to worry about.

[knotty ore]

CDLCs dont pop up out of nowhere though. They are semi risky investment of time and money

[lilac badger]

Most the risk comes from large scope. There is a plenty of room for addons with smaller scope. e.g. look at Bohemhia's own smaller DLC packs for ARMA like Tanks.

[knotty ore]

Its still investment of time and money. But yes less

[devout turtle]

the issue with splitting your vision up into small sellable chunks is losing the love of your fanbase who has to navigate confusing dlc lists in the multiplayer environment, and you cant have one dlc requiring another, so it's very difficult (not quite impossible) to make a vietnam dlc as 5 different ones that fit together

nobody wants to have to buy a rifle pack then a soldier pack then a tank pack etc

other games did that and got a lot of flak for it

the hitman series is ridiculous - they are on sale right now and i have no clue which dlc to buy

it's so confusing

[lilac badger]

You make some good points. I come from the flightsim world, making payware aircraft for some years now. I'm curious if there would be a market for a similar product on Arma 4; e.g. an F-14 with high-fidelity simulation.

[knotty ore]

Not as much I think. What rob says is indeed on point. Unless the system works in way that you can see the vehicles in game but not use them at all if you dont own the dlc.

otherwise server hosting would become quite hard and its already being said that dlcs split playerbase too much (not that mods dont do that but there is less monetary investment unless you count need to download and store 100s of gb of mod data)

[devout turtle]

to make a vehicle you need a driver, he in turn needs a uniform, helmet, weapon. the vehicle is part of a faction. so all of that needs creating together.

it's a resource intensive process, so quite hard to make all your vehicles in one go

(and all weapons, equipment etc)

[knotty ore]

then the vehicle needs weapons too

[sinful cape]

tanks has huge amount of content, though :> there were lots of engine features implemented for it, also existing assets rebuild with new interiors, etc. all in all it was no small feat, imo.

what's a bit sad about most of the official dlc is that on the outside they look like little content, but under the hood they all offered lots of new features and engine improvements

because most of those features are "free" engine updates, most players don't even know they play with stuff that was made for certain dlcs

would be cool to get some sort of "legacy version" of a3 -- the 1.0 release build with no further patches. just to compare the game 10 years ago with today :>

[knotty ore]

heh it would be a bit different game wouldnt it

[karmic harness]

You could download the old version from steam by using SteamCLI if you know the old manifest id (which you can get from sites like https://steamdb.info/)

Or install the original game from the DVD if you bought a physical copy (which I remembered that I actually did, back in the day).
How the hell the game fit in a single DVD escapes me, though 😅
(yeah... and it says "RAM: 2GB" on the box 😂 )

[sinful cape]

i dont even know if my dvd drive still works

[knotty ore]

lets not put that out there though

[vivid lynx]

dual-layer, double-sided dvd, 17GB 😄

[random crane]

i think CDLCs with a narrow focus are more attainable and less risky, on the other hand you should also know the ins and outs of the game and what could work, keeping in mind the focus is generally on infantry combat, so the further you go from that and the worse the experience tends to be

[prisma mountain]

In the original thread for community feedback on the idea of CDLCs. My 2 cents in there was that all content had to fit the 2035 universe and be on spec to vanilla.

That still allowed everybody to get their m-16 and AK-47 kink. But created a much easier consumption of the content with the main game itself.

[prime hollow]

buuuuutttt the Cold War is sooooooo cooooool

[random crane]

experimentation is good 😛

[hallow parrot]

Daily reminder: I just want moar 2035 contents 🙂

[steady ravine]

Everon 2035

NOGOVA 2035

[sinful cape]

imagine 2035 2035 content

not 2020 2035 content 😄

[random crane]

fire up your magic 8ball lexx, we need to take a glimpse of the future

[tepid lance]

9 years of Arma 3 done, 13 more years to go. we can do it! 💪

[steady ravine]

Arma 2035

[sinful cape]

my guess is it will be just more drones. drones anything. drone ai piloting drone planes controlling drone bombs.

also smart bombs, and smart bombs bombing smart bombs. at least as long as people can pay for them, then it's back to regular carpet bombing.

[steady ravine]

Robots

and its gonna be paid mercenary doing the work instead of the Army

[wraith sleet]

mgrr moment

[steady ravine]

Hmm CDLC sets in Yugoslav war... what too controversial?
it has UN and everything.

[devout turtle]

most wars have atrocities, so long as people don't want to recreate them anything is possible keeping within the PEGI rating
some wars are best left alone for periods of time i suppose.

it can be "too soon" for popular uptake

[knotty ore]

Any war or period them could work out as DLC if research and executed properly. Also it is possible to make Arma verse DLC that take inspiration from real events.

[sweet edge]

by Yugoslav war I guess you have the Kosovo War in mind, it indeed would be cool but making a cdlc around that topic would require the maker to make a map with a big city what doesn't really work in Arma. Especially if most/all building were enterable

[knotty ore]

In theory it can work. It just needs properly made and balanced structures

It is a rather challenging goal though

Also good building artists don't grow on trees 😅

[random crane]

sounds like an extremely risky idea for a cdlc 😬

[molten ice]

indeed, especially with tensions that are still on going, even before the current ongoing conflict in Ukraine

[knotty ore]

Kosovo or big city? 😅

[random crane]

kosovo 😛

[prisma mountain]

I def experimented with a big city. Sadly doesn't really work in this engine with the hard light source limits.

Well it did...as long as you never used aircraft

I'm actually very surprised no one took a swing at the Korean war

[knotty ore]

There are in the end quite small number of people cabable to do the more complex stuff it seems.

[steady ravine]

Korean war is a bunch of hill here and there, and the weaponry are mostly from late WW2

[devout turtle]

Our military adviser was deputy commander of NATO in kosovo…. 🤔

He used to drive around in a CSLA bmp2 with czech special forces bodyguards

[urban remnant]

I dont see why breakup of Yugoslavia cdlc would be risky. On contrary i would say it would sell well in ex yugoslav countries.

[devout turtle]

Tiny market

[random crane]

Hard to make a honest portrayal without pissing people off. Ethnic cleansing Is not an easy topic to explore

But Hey, happy to be proven wrong if someone feels brave enough

Same for racial segregation or apartheid

[urban remnant]

You dont have to do ethnic cleansing part. Just put tech and compositions. There is enough content from makeshift apc/weapons foregin weapons.

I know i wouldnt be pissed if it came out in arma without any storyline.

But it would be nice to have UNPROFOR so you can line them up against the wall.

[devout turtle]

and that's the end of that lol

[random crane]

🙃

[loud apex]

If you don't see why, then you're part of the problem.

[steady ravine]

Arma is an anti-war game (said the developer), it has hidden messages through it's story why war is bad.
people just seem to look pass it.

[knotty ore]

Make Arma not war..

[urban remnant]

I mean part of my family in Herzegovina was ethnicly clensed by Mujahideen and i dont really see problem of portraying them in game if Yugoslavia comes.

Like it is past, shit happens

[urban remnant]

More or less every slower war game should get you to that conclusion, to see how pointless it is.

[daring knoll]

Anyone have thoughts on which cDLC has the best Strela? I'm making a thing in 3DEN with each of the cDLCs loaded, and each has cDLC their own version.

Not much experience with GM's, I assume it's high quality
CSLA's has a nice matte finish that doesn't reflect the light like no tomorrow
SOG's feels nice to shoot and looks like it has some beef to it

All are visually a n order of magnitude better than CUP's

[tepid lance]

GM's has the seeker head of the missile animated with a scan pattern. 🤓

Also notable technical difference: SOG's are modeled using the older era-appropriate 9P53 launch mechanism, while GM's is using 9P58.
CSLA's is using training launch grip pod 9F915 instead. This a bit obscure and probably an oversight.

[devout turtle]

Cool details. Never noticed.

[wraith sleet]

does the strela have a green launch light like the igla?

[near magnet]

Another humanitarian centric DLC would be cool as fuck.

[steady ravine]

inb4 arma community

[near magnet]

True enough

[wraith sleet]

I want a module that helps me put players through a field court martial

[wraith sleet]

will there be updates for iron curtain and western sahara and gm in future like new content misc stuff etc...?

[ebon sedge]

!future

ah damn wrong discord 😅

!cdlcupdates

[deep crag]

Due to their agreement with BI the CDLC developers aren't allowed to talk about future updates, however if you have suggestions do feel free to share them with the CDLC teams!

[ebon sedge]

@wraith sleet ^

[wraith sleet]

ah yeh thats true unknown future

so in short all CDLC will be updated? eventually ?

[molten ice]

cannot say

[wraith sleet]

damn thats ok im happy with the cdlc tho

[sweet edge]

if any cdlc receives update, you will see some sneak pics a week or two before it drops, just like sogpf devs have been doing

other devs said some time ago they are working on new stuff (CSLA and WS iirc) but they are not able to say anything more until BI says they are satisfied with content they want to add with an update

[wraith sleet]

understandable

[steady ravine]

which discord this may be using the !future command?

[wraith sleet]

in general i've seen !future in this discord server related for arma 4 way before arma 4 was announced or shown

[steady ravine]

arma 4 has its own command '!Arma4'

[wraith sleet]

but i think they disabled it ? it doesnt work for some reason

ye

!Arma4

[deep crag]

For all official information related to Arma 4, see https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_4.

[ebon sedge]

Sog discord

[wraith sleet]

anyway im excited for CDLC in arma 4 aswell if it has that

[ebon sedge]

I set the commands there up as well, so

[ebon sedge]

This discord hasnt had a !future command afaik

at least I dont think we ever had one with @deep crag

[wraith sleet]

damn then idk

[steady ravine]

make one for Arma 5

[ebon sedge]

I think we'll have to wait with that until Arma 4 is out

[prisma mountain]

Need one for any time some one mentions a Arma youtuber as a source lol

[raven urchin]

is CSLA dead in the water or still supported

[steady ravine]

#csla_iron_curtain message
That is your answer

[raven urchin]

very nice!

[young geyser]

So I loaded Prairie Fire and went into the Arsenal Training, got 70 FPS. Then I restarted and loaded just Global Mobilisation and on the same Arsenal Training got 65 FPS. Finally I loaded both cDLCs (nothing else) simultaneously and started to get stutters and 45 FPS at the same Arsenal Screen....

So which cDLC I am to blame here? Or they aren't made to work in conjunction?

[knotty ore]

There are a lot of assets loaded together, did you give it some time to settle?

Did you check you memory status?

[young geyser]

Yes, 17GBs of RAM used out of 32GB

[knotty ore]

Hefty but not nearly full

It is pretty big chunk for Arma though

Could be something in the mission too, cycling through all configs or whatnot

[young geyser]

Stutters eventually diminished in time, from up to 1 second to mere mileseconds every few minutes. FPS remained low. I read that GM uses textures that are too big? Could that be it?

[young geyser]

This was not a mission, just the Training "Virtual Arsenal" mode to test weapons and vehicles

[knotty ore]

Was there anything happening?

[young geyser]

Well, some 10 to 20 ai standing, some walking, empty world, and a GM vehicle in there... that is all

[knotty ore]

I don't remember having issues with both dlcs loaded but I can try to remember to test tomorrow

[young geyser]

I will test further too. I wanted to use the mod that merges all the cold war cDLCs but if I have so much trouble running just two I can't imagine if I load CSLA too

[devout turtle]

Rpt file might show something - like if - worst case scenario - we are both updating the same base class. It’s unlikely but a slim possibility.

Share that from the session and we can all pore over it

If anyone is doing UBCs we need to fix it so it isnt.

It shouldnt be anything we’re doing with base man classes for ambient voices as they are not on by default unless on our maps

Anyway rpt should show a lot of messages if you get big stutters usually

[tepid lance]

It could be simply the sheer amount of content registered in the config cache that the arsenal is interacting with, which will increase the delay it takes to sort through the assembled config when retrieving pictures, display names, statistics and so on.

More addons loaded = longer startup time

I read that GM uses textures that are too big? Could that be it?
This is a misconception.

[steady ravine]

does each CDLC brings new steam Achievement to Arma 3?

[tepid lance]

No.

[limber scaffold]

I am looking at the trailers and Praire Fire seems like pretty good DLC, is it only trailers or it's worth the money?

[hollow coyote]

try it out with the compability mod and see yourself

[knotty ore]

Worth it depends a lot on what interests you and what assets you would like to play with.

[limber scaffold]

What? How does it even work

[sweet edge]

you download the compat mod and can try out most of the stuff that's in the cDLC

[hard mauve]

I often run VN and GM together, no problems to note.
I've also loaded VN, GM, CUP, RHS, 3CB and Unsung Redux altogether a few times - takes ages to load, but again, works ok.
i5, 32GB, 970GTX
However, being older than some here, I'm quite content with 30fps.

[olive vortex]

I've loaded CSLA, GM, SOGPF and WS at once just right now. Zero stutters, solid 100fps as always. Testing in Virtual Arsenal as you did.

[devout turtle]

@limber scaffold
Some reviews here

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZV6bOTFkPkcPM2oQ7lykARfwbQsPkel5

[limber scaffold]

Dope

[young geyser]

Well done! Thank you. It seems that my i7 7700 + 1660 GTX no longer cuts it for such cDLC combo

[olive vortex]

It should.

[sweet edge]

I just loaded VA with all these CLDCs and have 60 fps (5 2600X, 1660S), although loading took some time as I run Arma on a HDD

if you can afford it, unsubscribe from whatever steam workshop content you subscribed, restart your PC and load the game with cDLCs again, it was always an fps booster for me after I crossed a certain amount of compositions/scenarios subscribed or total amount of loadable mods in the Launcher.

[wraith sleet]

does compat data allow you to use the maps?

[sweet edge]

you can load them in Editor I think, but you cannot play any scenarios on DLC maps

[devout turtle]

Thats right

[plucky locust]

Hello people, quick question about the markers added by the DLC:

If I use the .paa image files in some custom scripts (displays) will clients who don't own and/or don't have Contact activated be able to 'use' those markers' .paa files in said custom displays. Or will they be inaccessible? I.e. will players, regardless of DLC ownership, have access to \a3\UI_F_Enoch\Data\CfgMarkers\.

[devout turtle]

everyone has that folder, no idea if the markers would show up if you didnt own the dlc, but i imagine they would not be part of the protection system

[sweet edge]

Enoch is the Contact Platform content so it should appear normally as Contact Platform is downloaded with the base game even if you don't own the DLC

cDLC markers would require from people to either buy the creator DLC or have a compat data pack, with normal DLCs there should be no issue

[plucky locust]

Alright, thank you.

[steady ravine]

is BI QA team can only QA one CDLC at a time? (for update etc)

[sage oxide]

At least Arma related stuff has to go one at a time. Don't know about other BI products. If the share the same QA or not.