discord-feedback

[pearl halo]

Hello

[sturdy charm]

Hello! This channel is for feedback regarding this discord, but feel free to hop into #general-discussion or #beginner-lounge for chatting

[spiral tree]

Kupo bot says "Quantity / Price" when it should say "Price / Quantity"

[zinc jay]

Could we maybe have a role for DCs that lets you see all of the datacenter channels, without needing to pick every role to do so?

[cosmic drift]

My initial thoughts are that opens the floodgates for spam, but I'll run this by the team to discuss

[tawdry parrot]

What kind of spam, out of curiosity?

[cosmic drift]

Datacenter roles are part of our user verification process that allows accounts access to the majority of the server - by loosening restrictions further than they currently are, it opens the door for spam ghost pings and the like in those lesser used channels

[zinc jay]

maybe put it in #831381743927033906 or something then? so people need to pick a dc role first

[tawdry parrot]

Ah, that makes sense.
My suggestion was to have a form of user verification but looks like you guys already had something place.

[deft sorrel]

Atm we're discussing compressing the roles to regionals. We already have too many and it makes managing them troublesome.

[charred crest]

does this emote exist yet

if it doesnt i propose it be named "YoshiPlzNo"

[lean perch]

i second this

[carmine rivet]

Can the kupo command for checkping be revised? The EU IPs have apparently changed since the new worlds were added

• The new jpn server

[ornate pelican]

If someone makes it emoji or sticker sized and cleans it up

[ornate pelican]

<@&472496619577671691>

[neat sparrow]

Emotesize

[waxen root]

We already have a similar emote.

[hoary garden]

Variety is the spice of Yoshi-Pain

[untold sequoia]

Make it a sticker

[timid pilot]

Can you list the new IPs if you know them?

[carmine rivet]

80.239.145.7 is the new one for light, according to Dank
The others i don't know

[timid pilot]

(If anyone else can give the IP addresses to Chaos and Meteor, that'd be greatly appreciated)

[cyan leaf]

80.239.145.6 for Chaos and Meteor should be 202.67.52.158

https://is.xivup.com/adv

[safe mural]

!faq datacenterip updated accordingly

[ancient gale]

List of IP Addresses for each Datacenter

North America
Aether: 204.2.229.9
Primal: 204.2.229.10
Crystal: 204.2.229.11

Europe
Chaos: 80.239.145.6
Light: 80.239.145.7

Japan
Mana: 124.150.157.156
Gaia: 124.150.157.157
Elemental: 124.150.157.158
Meteor: 202.67.52.158

Oceania
Materia: 153.254.80.103

how do I ping the IP?

Windows: Open Command Prompt and type ping *insert IP Address here*
Mac: Open Terminal and type `ping insert IP Address here

[carmine rivet]

Thank you!

[whole abyss]

Chad

[modest trail]

Can there be a chat for talking about fanfics and/or roleplay?

[simple vine]

At that point I feel like there’s other discord servers entirely better suited towards that kind of thing, but I’m interested in what other people have to say about it.

[ornate pelican]

We already have enough channel bloat, not really looking to add more for off topic stuff.

[zinc jay]

maybe include it as a thread off of #archived-lore-spoilers or #art?

[violet plinth]

i could see it for #art as long as everything's tagged appropriately and has spoiler warnings if necessary. #archived-lore-spoilers i don't see working as well for that kind of thing. but yeah, channel bloat is a thing and imo threads are hard to keep track of if you're not sure where they are

[autumn fjord]

i think fic-centric discussion is better suited in smaller communities built specifically to support that kind of content

i don't think #archived-lore-spoilers is a good fit for that, as fics are traditionally centered on headcanons and various degrees of lore-bending, while lore spoilers is generally hostile or at least not very receptive to alternative interpretations of the story or character relationships

#art on the other hand is more a gallery than a place of discussion, and there isn't as much of a community of regulars compared to other channels

[deft sorrel]

You know there's nothing stopping you from sharing your writing in #art right

[oak pawn]

As long as you mark spoilers as such

[autumn fjord]

i think the original question is referring to more of a discussion channel where people can talk about different ships, scenarios and writing ideas, not just a place to post a link and go. #art is fine for the latter, but not the former

[untold sequoia]

I think Idris might be right, you might just be better off finding a dedicated Discord for fanfiction

[autumn fjord]

yeah, i think this server isn’t really the right place

[cosmic drift]

If, on your quest, you find a great fanfic and/or rp server, shout it out in a #discord-modmail and we may add it to our #resources for others to use

[stuck nymph]

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, can kupo bot reaction roles/buttons apply multiple roles on one button? For example we have buttons for caster/ranged/melee but also want the user to get a general "dps" role when they selected any of them

[ornate pelican]

Negative

[pearl halo]

Sorry if I speak out of turn but to me it seems the best solution to that would be either getting a generic role bot or making one that adds a specific role to someone if they detect the user has a certain role but not the other

[deft sorrel]

That will very likely not happen. We're very strict about which bots we allow in the server because we occasionally handle NDA controlled materials from Square Enix along with a few other sensitive items in our mod channels.

[pearl halo]

Sorry I was replying to the other person's question which seemed to involve their own server, unless you two share that server in which case disregard this message.

[zinc jay]

could we add a link to the official starter guide to the newplayertips faq? https://starter-guide.finalfantasyxiv.com/na/

[surreal shuttle]

The mentors are currently looking it over before a decision is made

[half vigil]

!faq newplayertips

[ancient gale]

Terms & Tips Guide for New Players

reddit post
Official SE Starter Playlist
Image by Desibear

[half vigil]

!faq newplayervid

[ancient gale]

Official Square Enix Starter Guide Video Series

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrFWly2wJzL5IjYae4Cjc86l8eV6ZZ3D-

[vivid raft]

think kupo bot's market command broke

[ornate pelican]

xivapi is dead again I think

[vivid raft]

ah, so it's not kupo that's having the issue, my bad

[ornate pelican]

Yeah the resource he pulls item data from is down

https://xivapi.com/

[solemn brook]

I follow the #lodestone-news-na announcement channel and my friends and I love having the updates right there for us in our own small discord. It really helps keep us in tune with everything happening!

I recently followed #translations-and-liveletters before the previous 6.2 LL hoping to get a similar experience for Live Letters with my friends to discuss and follow along with it more easily together, but was sad to see translations aren't published like the #lodestone-news-na posts. Is there any chance Live Letter translations could be published in the future?

[waxen root]

Ask Discord for that. It's limited to 2 messages pushed an hour, which is not fast enough for live translation.

[solemn brook]

I see, I didn't realize there was limit. I just checked myself to look into this more since it's the first time I've heard of it. It looks like there's some good news. The rate limit is now 10 according to their article. https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360032008192 Hopefully they'll continue to increase it. I wonder if it's possible for a large community server like this one to apply for that limit to be removed? Idk, I'm just a dude.

[dense geyser]

So the problem with this is that there are like thousands of servers following that channel, which means every time one of us hits the publish button, it's equivalent to sending out thousands of messages. This also means that the messages don't arrive in real time - on one of my servers that follows the channel, the message appears about 20 mins after hitting the button. So even if we had unlimited publishes, you still wouldn't be able to follow the PLL stream in real time with it

[solemn brook]

Yeah that's valid. if thousands of small discords are following 1 announcement channel, pushing publish could be like discord ddos'ing itself if it didn't throttle messages. I never considered that lol

[hardy ocean]

Sorry i have a question , if i want to share a personal story at the reddit which tag i have to use ?

[deft sorrel]

Fluff

[hardy ocean]

thanks !

[zinc jay]

kupo not detecting the LL

[alpine spade]

is there a way for me to be pinged when there is trivia night

[surreal shuttle]

Trivia is activated when the game is in maintenance. If you pop in the channel during maint chances are it will be on

[half vigil]

#831381743927033906 grab the trivia role

[south radish]

am i blind or how does one look for a group for leveling here ?

[minor kelp]

people generally don't look for groups here

[south radish]

well ... was nice while it lasted o/

[cerulean heron]

quick question, a friend of mine tried to join and got this message being kicked
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1011433965715984504/1011718921243607071/Screen_Shot_2022-08-23_at_12.29.34_PM.png

What was the specific rule?

[zinc jay]

send a #discord-modmail.

[eager stone]

Can we possibly have a channel dedicated to Island Sanctuary? It looks like a pretty dedicated side content so would help to have a channel dedicated to it and being able to have guides pinned on it.

Understandable if not, I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask

[ornate pelican]

We can talk about a thread but idk about a full time channel

[eager stone]

Thread is fine too! Whatever works best for this server

[ocean cloak]

I'd love to see one.

[woven wraith]

I third/fourth or what ever number we are on the island Sanc Thread!

[ornate pelican]

#1012401153973170206

Please let me know if it works and I set it up right.

[eager stone]

It works! Thanks for making the thread

[vivid raft]

if there's a #1012400549007732786 discussion thread, then what about #glamour-discussion #protips-and-ui and #ffxiv-screenshots ? will they be moved since its pretty much the same category?

[misty kernel]

They're not really the same category.

• #ffxiv-screenshots is for posting screenshots, not necessarily a discussion channel
• #glamour-discussion is for glamour help
• #protips-and-ui is for helping people set the best UI or help with setting it up on what's optimial for their system (ps4/5/pc)

I find little reason as to why they should be moved or changed is nice they're not really the same

[celest idol]

making them into threads may clean up the channel list to be fair

[zinc jay]

threads are annoying and difficult for the average user to find/see.

[violet plinth]

yeah i find a bunch of threads hard to navigate and if you aren't in all of them you can't see them on the channel list

[ebon gorge]

Can we get a separate recruitment channel for FC's and statics, can't see the fc's for all the damn statics

[zinc jay]

You can use community finder.

[ebon gorge]

If I wanted to use community finder, I wouldn't be here, would I? xD (that wasn't meant with any kind of venom)

[vivid raft]

i just mean in the sense that it fits the category of being ffxiv content, but yes it may be a lot harder to see the channels

just wanted to bring up the idea to help reduce channel bloat, since i know this server suffers from having a lot of channels

[versed mauve]

you can use the discord search function and also community finder is a lot better for that

[cosmic drift]

https://discord.gg/KtTkXwQ7NC

Fc recruitment was specifically put in that server; otherwise, yeah, community finder, PF, etc

[autumn fjord]

kupo glam pic broke

[umbral fog]

not a kupo issue, its a gamerescape issue

@strange finch

[rare surge]

Will Kupo bot move to slash commands like Ser Aymeric bot has? They make it sound like all bots will be.

[surreal shuttle]

The admins would have better answers for this than me but yes that is being worked on internally by admins and the bot devs. Why it hasn’t happened yet is due to how complicated and robust Kupo is so the process has been slow

If you want more technical information/discussion about KupoBot I would direct your further inquiries here: https://discord.gg/kgr3BTCK

[rare surge]

Cheers, that's probably all I wanted to know. I was just curious. 🙂

[sturdy charm]

From the kupo support server, in case anyone else is curious

[thorny lantern]

I can say that as a mod that uses commands regularly, slash commands would be far worse than what we currently have.

I used slash commands on another bot for a different game and it was very cumbersome.

[mighty fossil]

for hotfixes like the one that ended 29 minutes ago, i think it has been 29 minutes ago, should it not show up in #lodestone-news-na ? if not there, is there anywhere it should show up at in this server?

[violet plinth]

the initial hotfixes announcement got called in #lodestone-news-na , but no there isn't an update with this bot that says when the maintenance is over. the announcement probably just got buried over the other announcements

[worthy thistle]

just thought I'd mention this early:
#1012400549007732786 shares the same name as one of the channel categories, but isn't actually inside it, so the sidebar naming is getting a bit weird

[ornate pelican]

Good catch. I’ll fix this soon.

[sullen musk]

May I ask someone in DMs how close I am to the level 20 quest to unlock the ability to access my upgraded Jobs?(Summoner and Scholar in the case of my main class)

[zinc jay]

#questions-and-help

[flint coral]

is the Activities feature in this server yet (I think they are rolling it out slowly)? If so, could we get a channel or two for it?

[rich plinth]

dont they use voice channels?

[violet plinth]

yeah it's a voice thing. wish you could turn that off if there aren't voice chats

[flint coral]

oh okay, didn't know that, thanks and disregard!

[remote spade]

can the screenshot contest be archived too

[simple vine]

You mean #1009925668882108416 this? Or something before it

[remote spade]

yeah that works

[violet plinth]

#resources's hunting tools should remove Horus, as it's been down and gone since EW release

[shy kiln]

Can we have a reactable role for a sprout, or an image near their name to notify the people we're speaking/answering their answer to are from free trial players?
because of their limitations, some options we give straight up won't work and would create confusion until clarified they're from free trial

[pearl halo]

Unfortunately sprouts don't mean free trial, it just means new player

[shy kiln]

right, at least something to notify they're on free trial

[eager stone]

It was discussed before and this is the reason why we dont have a free trial role coming from a mod #discord-feedback message

[woven wraith]

It's generally assume thats what #beginner-lounge should be for..even if people tend to use it for other/late game/meta conversation. As alot of free trial people are also beginners. Asking people if Free Trial or Sub before awnsering them is also valid.

[safe mural]

If someone really wants it to be clear they're on FT they can always put it in their nickname

[untold sequoia]

You could just tell people that you're on the free trial

[zinc jay]

just put it in your name somewhere

[eager stone]

I think they're asking as someone who has to help the players on free trial

[kind pond]

yis. i bought it on day 1 because for some reason i never was able to get the trial.. not sure why.
Which i dont mind.. first player i met was super nice to me

[zinc jay]

A frequently asked question in #questions-and-help is something along the lines of "does [x] sell well?" or "what should i sell on the mb"

I feel like there ought to be an faq about this sort of question. An faq that says that supply and demand varies from server to server and we can't really tell them what sells well and they have to do their own research of demand and selling history. It should also note that people are not likely to share their profitable niches in the mb.

[zinc vector]

Hello I join here trying to get some help are hours of searching the web to get nowhere. I have 2 questions really 1. Am I able to change the square enix ID login on the ps4 it is an old account that I can not login to anymore since I don't have the q&a. 2. I tried looking up help with the q&a and everything says click additional assistance at the bottom of the page that I'm reading at the time and there is never an option for that. It seems like there's no way for me to actually play the game at this point and all I can do is wait for square enix to email me back which who knows when that will be. Any help is much appreciated thanks.

[gray nexus]

#questions-and-help would be the place for that this channel is for feedback of the discord

[simple vine]

Hi there, it's kind of a thing I've noticed but nobody seems to be gaining anything out of the slowmode in #archived-lore-spoilers and #963326049230389268 .

Though apparently it was originally put up to quell the amount of problematic people or discussions, I think it's been said it barely has an effect and it's the popular opinion of many regulars that all it does is make the two channels unwelcome to chat in, to the point where people do generally dislike talking in #archived-lore-spoilers where the timer is especially long. A kind of question/answer environment like the one you have here in feedback is more suited to the slowmode you have on those two channels, but instead they're both informal and chatty as is the nature of a lot of lore discussion, and, theorising, in ffxiv. I also believe the chatting environment doesn't dissuade people from asking questions in these channels either, as the regular hangouts are also eager to answer said questions being interested in lore themselves.

Granted how both channels have cultivated a regular group of people who enjoy each other's company and don't engage in disruptive behaviour, and the point of discord really is engaging in discussion, would it be alright to enquire when these restrictions could be lifted?

[zinc jay]

To be blunt and add on to what idris has said, it feels at this point to be a method of unnecessary punishment. Mods historically have said that the slow mode has not reduced the number of modmails sent in about #archived-lore-spoilers and #963326049230389268, so it's clear it has done nothing to stem the tide of potential rule violations. In addition the problematic users have mostly vanished or been banned.

It just feels like the mod team doesn't want to properly moderate the channel. If mods were active and engaged with the lore spoilers channel(s) more frequently rather than just coming in to hand out mutes or punishments it would reduce the number of problems there.

[cosmic drift]

We implemented a longer slowmode in #archived-lore-spoilers due to repeated rule violations. Our <@&587224778088120331>s take an active role in moderating the channel, and rule violations can be brought to their attention by pinging them in there. If none are available, our <@&100464652139368448>s are also welcome to be pinged for assistance.

That said, our team has grown since we implemented that particular solution, so we'll discuss internally and see whether or not it's appropriate to either greatly reduce or fully remove the slowmode in there.

Stay tuned!

[pearl halo]

Don't like the icon for this server it doesn't stand out as "this is the FF server"

[carmine rivet]

It's a Moogle on the Moon, moogle are typical ff and the moon was on all the EW promo stuff

[autumn fjord]

it’s a moogle on the moon. pretty endwalkery to me.

[gray nexus]

It's pretty much ff imo

[shy kiln]

very FF to me aswell

[crimson cloud]

It’s a moogle on the moon it’s pretty obvious tbh

[pearl halo]

It was my opinion don't need shoot me

The icons are tiny so I feel they should be more obvious 🤷‍♂️

[violet plinth]

there's only so much you can really put in an icon that small. moogle on the moon works

[simple vine]

we could be like this but it also screams 'we're boring as hell'. Also the art has been a running theme of this discord for a very long time as well and a fan favourite, many people really like the icons, not to mention the flag's a nice touch.

[safe mural]

Miriam's moogle is our mascot

[minor kelp]

I think it's pretty close to perfect

[hoary garden]

No one came to "shoot you"; playing the victim simply because no one immediately agrees with you never helps your case.

At any rate, the artwork itself is absolutely fine because, more than anything else, the server name immediately tells everyone "this is a Final Fantasy XIV server". And since this server is not affiliated directly with Square Enix—and is, in fact, a companion discord server to a non-official fan-run subreddit—there would seem to be no need for identification beyond that.

This means that the icon and banner artwork can be as creative as desired without impacting the server identity, and in this case goes a long way towards giving it more identity as an inclusive place for everyone.

Meanwhile, here are the icons of some other major FFXIV servers. Notably, one of them doesn't use a symbol from FFXIV at all, and the other two are not recognisable as FFXIV, let alone Final Fantasy in general, without knowing either game-specific lore or a zone-specific map marker.

[pearl halo]

Calm down Karen

[hoary garden]

So, without indulging in debate over whether or not the server icon seems like Final Fantasy, I would submit to you that it isn't required to.

[untold sequoia]

This really doesn't need to continue

[ornate pelican]

[fossil apex]

I think the current server icon is cute af

[pearl halo]

Not sure if this is a discord feedback or just kupobot feedback but apparently the !me command doesn't have !Me as allowed alternative, can it be added? Because I see plenty of people try to use it

[zinc jay]

stupid question, for the zodiac/anima/eureka/resistance relic commands for kupo could we maybe add images to those commands which show all the stages and what they look like

[lyric spindle]

i am having issues with fantasia would anyone be able to help me?

[safe mural]

ask in #questions-and-help

[dark chasm]

add vc

[zinc jay]

#announcements message

[sturdy charm]

Did bot miss this? https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/2ff694b6ba8ef60084d28ca1e0819f9200fcb0a7

[remote hamlet]

Yeah sure, not an issue

Just credit the translators involved in the translation. If you want unofficial live interpretation it's available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJV8QFUv234

[plush sluice]

the live letter channel has the option to follow, but it doesnt seem like the translation messages are set to be sent out to subscribers

[umbral fog]

we do not push out translation messages due to the fact that discord has a limited number of messages that can be pushed out. we only push out the start of PLLs, not to mention there are a LOT of servers that follow the channel

[eager stone]

Can reactions be disabled in #translations-and-liveletters as usual 😅 if not that's okay

[surreal shuttle]

Reactions are disabled for live letters

For something small like this they usually stay

[flint coral]

Hi, can you guys please pin first message from today/last nights PLL? That way readers can get to start easy? Thanks

[sharp bronze]

I'll link it here to make it easier, #translations-and-liveletters message

[grand epoch]

Id like to ask the mod team to pin a message in lore chat or ammend a rule saying that deliberately or seemingly deliberately misinterpreting someone's words, possibly for the purpose of starting or continuing or derailing an argument or debate can result in a punishment. 99 percent of arguments there start from someone either not reading a post properly or misinterpreting it the wildest way possible and this would cut back majorly on tension if they listen.

This is a continuous thing that is done by the same specific group of people and only makes the people its done to irritated as it should

In the short time I've been here I've seen it happen countless times and I'm tired of having it happen to me and others, and no punishments given to the people who do it

[untold sequoia]

Can you provide examples of this behaviour, feel free to send it through #discord-modmail if you'd prefer

[grand epoch]

I can, give me a moment

[grand epoch]

Is it acceptable to dm it to you instead when I gather the screenshots

[untold sequoia]

I'd prefer modmail tbh

[hasty forge]

A few of us have started working on a discord community for the new data center, is this something that can be added to the resources list, or what is that process?

[half vigil]

submit a #discord-modmail with the link to the discord and our admin will look at it as it develops

[hoary garden]

Something about these steps is really setting off my InfoSec training alarms....

[wheat shuttle]

“Allow Software to install or run even if the signature is invalid”

[plucky niche]

yeah none of these are from official sources

[hoary garden]

Yeah, it's probably the part where exactly zero changes are actually being done to the launcher by simply opening its properties and immediately closing them again....

....and every other step is systematically removing any and all inherent browsing protections for the classically most vulnerable web browser.

[violet plinth]

[hoary garden]

Whoever removed the relevant post, thank you.

[smoky bridge]

Suggestion: Filter Andrew Tate's name.

[ornate pelican]

!spam addhard Andrew Tate

[ancient gale]

Success!

Hard word Andrew Tate added to filter list, Kupo!

[ornate pelican]

Done

[smoky bridge]

Big thanks boss.

[neat raven]

Can someone bother to answer my modmail? I've been waiting for an hour to deal with an issue relating to a 1 hour mute despite this many mods, realistically more, being online for most of the time. I also would like to ask to file a complaint related to two mentors.

Surely you can understand my frustration. Theres no way this many mods have been busy for the entire time my modmail has been active. And my mute was honestly unjustified in my opinion. If you agree, and you find in my favor, id like to have a complaint filed against the mentors that did it. If you don't thats fine, but now that I've had to wait the entire time to be answered past the threshold for it to matter, I just want something done if you agree it wasnt justified.

Either way, I'd like for someone to actually check the thing that to my understanding exists for filing complaints so they can deal with issues before they become irrelevant. Otherwise whats the point of it existing lol

Sorry for bleeding this into here, however if the modmail isn't going to be read, and the ticket just is gonna get closed when its eventually noticed since the mute is over, i can't make this request without posting it here.

You can dm me if you want for the names, or speak to me in the modmail, im not calling the mentors out in public.

[violet plinth]

oh no, people doing volunteer work don't respond in a timely manner on a weeknight, boo hoo. i won't comment on the actual situation™️ bc i wasn't there for it but 🍿

[gray nexus]

Also just adding two cents just cuz mods are online it does NOT mean they have the time to answer modmails right away they doing this as volunteers and not full time be patient once they got time they will probably help u also probably not the only one with a issue

[versed mauve]

I also want to add that not every single mod is in the NA timezone like you are

[wheat shuttle]

With all due respect, this person spent all of yesterday baiting people in both lore spoilers and discussion; they’re looking for someone on the team that will care enough to listen to them whine that a mentor in lore spoilers did their job and muted them for disrupting the chat

[neat raven]

Thats literally not the case. I wasn't baiting anyone and had two conversations in lore chat total yesterday. Please don't lie about me.

[violet plinth]

you are not helping your case

[grand trout]

Yeah tbh he wasnt baiting anyone lol

Its just an incredibly dishonest framing @violet plinth that paints the guy in the worst possible light. I agree they shouldn't do this

[violet plinth]

they were told to stop more than once by more than one mod, imo it was deserved and them then coming here to whine about it when their precious modmail didn't get answered didn't help their image for me.

[grand trout]

They were not told to stop even once during the time they were muted, what are you talking about

Do you think this person is someone else? Because at most he was told to stop saying the word lazy

[celest idol]

This is not the place to discuss this

[plucky niche]

Does the moderation team possess any means of identifying alt accounts of banned/muted users? I'm not sure what the situation is regarding this capability

[grand trout]

Are you talking about me? I have a scroll wheel.

Idk why you're saying someone's an alt or whatever when the convo wasnt hidden or anything. Does agreeing with someone on a single point make someone else an alt? Don't say shit like that.

[plucky niche]

bro i have no clue who you are lmao

idk why you felt the need to weigh in but go off

[grand trout]

I assumed you were talking about me because I agreed with him on a point. If not my apologies

[plucky niche]

ooookay

[cosmic drift]

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[cosmic drift]

To put this to bed - I don't expect our staff to have any set participation level here; as others have mentioned, our staff have taken on these volunteer roles out of their free time that they aren't being compensated for. Others have clarified that online status is not mutually exclusive with their availability to assist here.

I will bring up the issue of lead time in modmails to the team though, just to make sure we give folks an idea of whether or not we actually received the modmail - I understand it looks like we're perhaps ignoring that modmails come in, but generally there are internal discussions between our team members before we respond so that our team is on the same page when it comes to these issues.

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To address your other concern of potential staff misconduct; that doesn't really have a statue of limitations. If you feel our staff made a decision you don't agree with, you're welcome to bring it up to us in #discord-modmail (or DM a <@&678028388534976545> directly if you're not comfortable with our <@&100464652139368448> team seeing it) whenever is convenient for you. We log our actions so it's easy for us to go and take a look at whatever concerns our users here.

In the case of our mentor team, as explained in #about-this-server, they are moderators for a few of our higher-traffic areas on the server, including #archived-lore-spoilers. We've ensured that they have been trained on what situations are and aren't appropriate to use the tools available to them.

In the future, please refrain from ongoing discussion; see the channel topic for what kinds of things this channel is for.

[deft sorrel]

[thorny lantern]

Can confirm from the blue side that we do indeed discuss every incoming modmail, they do get looked at.

[surreal shuttle]

It’s also worth pointing out re: activity that we’re not operating at full capacity atm. We’ve had a few former mods leave the past few months and even some of us who have stayed on (like me) have gotten busier irl

This is volunteer work. We can’t be looking at stuff 24/7 or be able to respond immediately

[wise musk]

^
There aren't going to be eyes in here 24/7, we do our best to be around as much as possible, and respond to any issues that arise immediately when possible, but to be frank: Every single member of the staff here are adults, We all have other things we have to tend to, And we have lives outside of Discord. Just because you see a mod present in the sidebar it does not guarantee that said mod is actually active

[smoky bridge]

Hey if you need a no-lifer that'll hawk this discord 24/7, I'm your guy. Really though, with all that said, does this mean another round of mod applications are going to open?

[surreal shuttle]

The idea is being tossed around internally but we don’t have anything concrete to give about new mod recruitment at this time

[ornate pelican]

Most likely yes. Once I’m feeling better from Covid I’ll probably start setting things up for this.

[zinc jay]

add whynojobquests as an alternative command for whynojobquest

[half vigil]

Done

[zinc jay]

probably has already been brought up but there seems to be an issue with kupo pulling up quests at the moment https://i.imgur.com/NorbsIV.png

[ornate pelican]

Hasn’t been no. Is it all quests or just Endwalker ones?

[zinc jay]

It seems to be all quests

[ornate pelican]

Sigh

Ok I’ll look tomorrow hopefully I remember.

[zinc jay]

[ornate pelican]

I fixed it, it'll be a day before every server has the update

[wanton cypress]

Hi. I think this persons account may be comprimised and starting the "play my friends game" phishing attempt. Have a nice day.

[sturdy charm]

Prolly more suited for #discord-modmail, also include their discord ID (enable developer mode if you don't see it)

[candid ferry]

Can you not just allow people to say people they disagree with are baiting in an attempt to put them down or out them as some kind of troll? Its happened to me twice now and its genuinely upsetting because I'm trying to have a legitimate conversation and the people I'm talking with are needlessly aggressive and tbh are being assholes. It really does upset me because how am I supposed to respond to people just doing that for no reason.

[rich plinth]

#discord-modmail

[hoary garden]

Ideally you would respond with maturity.

[candid ferry]

And I didnt respond any other way. I literally didn't even say anything in response to the baiting stuff.

You could also just not make a claim like that to try to distract the conversation and just overall be rude to try to impugn my character

Is making a genuine complaint about this being immature? Or do you just think that because you're one of the ones that did it?

[plucky niche]

In the future, please refrain from ongoing discussion

[candid ferry]

Sorry, I posted a modmail over this. I just wanted to put a notice here first to try to get a general rule implemented or have something done about it and people responded and I didnt know it wasn't okay to respond as well. My bad.

[ancient gale]

Information

A full list of server rules can be found in #about-this-server

[zinc jay]

the expacjobs command doesn't specify which sections of ul'dah that sam and rdm start in. https://i.imgur.com/4es6Enc.png

rdm is in steps of thal, and sam is in steps of nald - while it may be apparent given the coords it may be good to add those for the sake of clarity/consistency

[timid pilot]

I can fix it later when I have access to a computer

[half vigil]

done. also editted the coordinate formatting for consistency

[zinc jay]

[acoustic sentinel]

Role selection for new data center?

[azure gate]

Maybe wait for said datacenter to go live first?

[nocturne rover]

it is now 😄

[ornate pelican]

I’ll get to it

[wheat saddle]

Heya, it appears Kupo is not giving out the nice slides for characters anymore, and instead is giving these posts

[olive silo]

The kupobot website appears to be down :c

[nova coral]

Can we add a Dynamis role?

[minor kelp]

Eanae will get to it when she can, yep

[safe patio]

🕊

[ornate pelican]

I just poked Miriam for an emoji and I’ll add it when she makes it.

I’ve been busy

[zinc jay]

kupo needs to be adjusted for dst ending in the us

[ornate pelican]

For what? I fixed them all I thought.

Can you double check?

[zinc jay]

I think the daily was off

[zinc jay]

Ah yeah it's right now but when I sent that msg initially it was wrong

[ionic mason]

Hi there, I was wondering when support for the Dynamis data center will be live? We're already a week into it and lots of other places have already fully adjusted

[carmine rivet]

they're on it, they're waiting on artwork for the role select

[ionic mason]

Wasn't too sure, thanks!

[ornate pelican]

I have the artwork I just haven’t had time to actually add roles to channels because this server is so large doing it from my phone isn’t possible.

Lags out the app :/

[ornate pelican]

Done

[hollow abyss]

Dynamis role doesn't have access to expansion-discussion

[hasty forge]

loses server-event-discussion and world recruitment too

[jagged egret]

Tech channels as well

[ornate pelican]

Fixed

[ornate pelican]

Fixed

[ornate pelican]

Fixed

[patent thorn]

Are the "click here"s meant to be hyperlinks in this Kupo Bot post (in #860652505117753384 )?

[rich plinth]

https://discordapp.com/channels/100463940835762176/612757637813239808/736656158084956291
the message above the one you posted is the same information, likely just copy pasted, but forgot to put the link

[rocky stump]

Love the new recruiting forums system. 10/10

[deft sorrel]

Before you come in here about the Live Letter:

No, we cannot push all of the translations to your server. Discord has a rate limit in place to prevent exactly that. It's not happening, it's never happening.

Please do not waste your time and mine by asking for something impossible.

[timid pilot]

If anyone can provide and verify the IP address that Square Enix uses for the Dynamis datacenter, that would be greatly appreciated as that is currently needed for the checkping FAQ.

As a just in case, please also verify if the IPs are still the same for Aether/Crystal/Primal. (Aether: 204.2.229.9, Primal: 204.2.229.10, Crystal: 204.2.229.11)

[hallow mist]

Can someone pin the starting point of #translations-and-liveletters for this live letter so latecomers like me can read it again more easily

[ionic mason]

if someone doesn't get to this by like 5pm eastern i'll handle it

[dark plaza]

Hi I just wanted to give some positive feedback for the translators here. I'm a FFXIV journalist and I am always grateful for the context that this Discord gives me in its translations. I always ALWAYS credit (as requested by the rules) and I just wanted to say a very big thank you to the translators. I appreciate you ❤️

[ornate pelican]

Thank you so much for providing credit. We’re glad to be of help.

[surreal shuttle]

Just saying as a journalism student irl I’m starstruck. Keep doing what you’re doing!

[modern stream]

muted can speak in #1012400549007732786

[cosmic drift]

This should be fixed. Thanks for the assist

[mint girder]

Is there no longer a section for posting RP events?

[ornate pelican]

I can get this in

[mint girder]

♥

[ornate pelican]

#1041530453057863730

[mint girder]

♥

[smoky bridge]

Can we vouch for the unbanning/return of ex-members who were banned from the server if we ourselves are in good standing with the server?

[untold sequoia]

Feel free to open a modmail and share your opinions

[meager lotus]

hello my friend says he is reformed, infact he has a black friend who can vouch that he is indeed no longer racist
please unban!

[sage heath]

[half vigil]

They can submit a ban appeal

[worldly knoll]

I feel like the discrepancy between #general-discussion and #beginner-lounge is too large. Of course, while I understand that moderation in the latter will be tighter due to its nature as a beginner’s main resource, it’s still paradoxical to me that #general-discussion, the first place most people will go to, has been turned into a glorified shitpost channel with little repercussion, meanwhile the friendlier, more playful atmosphere of #beginner-lounge has been constantly interjected with needlessly harsh moderation, which is likelier to intimidate and subsequently drive off inquisitive new adventurers than the topics being discussed themselves.

#general-discussion, whose name and description explicitly state it is primarily for FFXIV conversations, has been barraged with off-topic chatter and—for lack of a better term—circlejerking for what feels like an eternity, meanwhile #beginner-lounge has been slowly but surely morphing into a #questions-and-help channel in all but name.

[cosmic drift]

This is (somewhat) working as intended. I've been working with the chat moderation team over the last few years regarding how we can effectively monitor off-topic conversation in #general-discussion while also maintaining its status as our de facto "general chat". We've come to, in my opinion at least, a decent medium where everyone hangs out and chat about ✨whatever✨ in addition to the game. I'm confident that our mods redirect to other channels as necessary when tangents drag on too long.

As for #beginner-lounge, we implemented it primarily as a #general-discussion-but-for-newbies. The purpose of that channel is to give new players a spoiler-free environment that they can talk about the game, their struggles, and ask any questions they have without any risk of running into story spoilers.

Because we want to preserve its spoiler-free nature, our <@&100464652139368448>s and <@&473626701947994134>s (which we drafted a couple of recently!) have been instructed to indeed moderate #beginner-lounge pretty heavily in regards to spoilers and circular off-topic chat to leave room for our newer or freshly returned players to get in the swing of things.

While all users are welcome to hang out in #beginner-lounge if they wish, if they are not new or returning players, the channel is not expressly for them, and they'll need to please understand and follow the staff's instructions when they give them out in there.

[violet plinth]

maybe renaming #general-discussion to just something like 'general' would get its message across clearer? calling it ffxiv focused and having it be a melting pot... don't really work that well imo

[safe charm]

I would also like to say, from my perspective as a person keeping an eye out for off-topic and such, and likely contributing to the perceived increased moderation, I've been mostly trying to crack down on off-topic and implicit NSFW among other things. It's been a long-running issue that I've noticed and I'm trying to help keep the channel clean for beginners as opposed to trying to ruin anyone's fun.

I'm of the opinion that while I would not like #beginner-lounge to be a total authoritarian dictatorship where you can only talk about select topics, some strictness may be necessary because off-topic or otherwise 'strange' topics like flirting, bantering, etc would not allow players to drop into the conversation and get a word-in edgewise, or be able to ask their question.

[zinc jay]

Yeah that's a consistent issue with beginners, I think. A lot of people treat it as a general chat but it's mostly veterans, and as such conversation often drifts into distinctly non-beginner topics like high end optimization. I feel as though it ought to be treated as a better Novice Network, and as such there's other channels in this discord people could shift their conversations to. I don't think the issues that plague #general-discussion are easily solvable as it's the top channel in the discord.

People say that they do stop and answer beginners questions but we have no idea how many sprouts open that channel, see a conversation about something that's high end or confusing to them and either go to qnh instead or don't ask anything at all.

Alteratively making a server for friends is also always an option.

[cosmic drift]

Having observed #general-discussion over the last few years in different time blocks, I've seen the channel goes through cycles of game discussion and regulars playing about in there. I'll make sure the team is aware of how off-topic the channel seems to get, especially between the hours of 0800 and 1600ish GMT, where there aren't a lot of NA players active yet.

We recently renamed it from general discussion to ffxiv discussion due to the channel being in the FFXIV category, and us being ✨the✨FFXIV server, we chose to prioritize FFXIV discussion above all else. Its position in the channel list will ultimately bring off-topic discussion with it due to its status as a landing pad for all of our users.

That said, it's been a while since we've made that change, and stuff can change over time. I'll bring up the proposal to revert the name to #general-discussion to the team and see what they think.

As for what #beginner-lounge is in its current state, I don't think it needs to undergo any changes regarding its function as a #general-discussion-but-also-questions-and-help-for-new-people because it's unique in being our only channel where all story discussion is prohibited.

[zinc jay]

Having been in beginners and frequently try to be helpful, I think mods and staff ought to maybe try to push the veterans who consistently use that channel to spread out to other ones, as a lot of the subjects they discuss there are frankly irrelevant to a sprout. They often go on tangents about endgame, glamour, ultimates, and flirt with each other and it's just offputting to new players who often get drowned out.

[worldly knoll]

Then why not just simply remove #beginner-lounge outright and leave only #questions-and-help if off-topic moderation is so asphyxiating there?

[unique maple]

So does that mean if we're veterans or literally not new players we're not supposed to stay there and you guys will have to have mentors answer every single question?

(question specifically asked for the statement "While all users are welcome to hang out in the lounge if they wish, if they are not new or returning players, the channel is not expressly for them.")

[violet plinth]

i felt that statement was more aimed at endgame players using the channel to talk about optimization and ultimate/savage material

[umbral fog]

the issue isn't necessarily off-topic

[cosmic drift]

It is the only story-free channel specifically for new/returning players to chat in and get into the swing of playing the game. I think the value this adds to our roster brings more to the table than sending all new players to #questions-and-help, so I'm not interested in making that change at this time.

[carmine rivet]

Or just understand what they really mean. Like, you cant be blind to the fact that theres often such long tangents on random stuff that has nothing to do with ffxiv.

Its genuinely gotten uncomfortable and i'm someone usually there cus i like answering questions.

[zinc jay]

That's frankly an extreme interpretation of what I've said. If the majority of people speaking in a supposedly sprout-dedicated channel are not in fact sprouts, there's a problem.

[worldly knoll]

So this entire conversation has boiled down to “Treat #beginner-lounge as #questions-and-help with strings attached”?

[umbral fog]

part of the issue is the fact that veterans do seemingly forget the channel isn't the place really for them to vent about their end-game woes, and things they've been dealing with as a veteran players. #beginner-lounge is fine for both vets and newbies alike cos its generally more chill, at the same time though you should keep in mind that whinging about your shit groups or how bad your DSU runs, or how endgame rotations suck isn't really the kind of stuff that should be in that channel cos new players really don't give a shit or need to worry about this.

[untold sequoia]

An important thing to remember is that speaking up about issues you see in a channel can be very difficult, especially when you're a new player, so often times people will feel left out, uncomfortable, or bullied and will just sit quietly and take it, or contact the mod team directly

[cosmic drift]

Everyone is welcome to use #beginner-lounge (as I stated), and use it as their safe space as we try to keep it that way. The target audience, however, is indeed new or returning players, so those folks will get priority treatment compared to general discussion.

[safe charm]

In addition to this, I've also had to wrangle in SEVERAL people for flirting and bantering within a clique in there. Implicit NSFW is a constant in there. It's not just being off-topic, but the overall nature of the conversations taking place.

[untold sequoia]

A lot of our decisions are based on information that the public wouldn't have access to, what may look like a random raise in enforcement is actually a response to private complaints we've received

[zinc jay]

Agreed with kael. A lot of the veterans in there frankly seem to forget what channel they're in, and that there are in fact other channels that are more appropriate for such conversations. It's frankly comandeering and overpowering, and straight up goes against the point of why we even advocated for #beginner-lounge to be made in the first place.

I've also been insulted by regulars and called whiny for saying that they drift too far off topic, which frankly I just don't understand. There'd be less of a problem if they did actually reel it in, but insulting others for telling them it's too far is weirdly defensive.

[safe charm]

Yeah. I mean, I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't mention that I've done it a few times but I'm trying to get better at it and try to steer it away best I can.

[worldly knoll]

I think an additional issue driving veterans to #beginner-lounge is the rather inhospitable environments of #general-discussion. There is a sense of familiarity that the frequenters of the former share that is absent in the latter, making #beginner-lounge more fulfilling as a “safe space,” the very thing you wish it to be, and now you are telling the veterans—some of which are very accomplished in the game and have vast wells of experience to share and lessons to teach—that they do not belong there?

[zinc jay]

#general-discussion is not the only channel, though.

[unique maple]

The solution could perhaps be to create a new channel for vets and regular players, unlike lore spoilers or ffxiv discussion? They could discuss everything there in one channel instead of discussing something at separated places for each expansion? That way they could discuss things they'd like, plus if they ever come to lounge they could just answer without discussing endgame topics. With of course, the warning that that channel would obviously have spoilers and the person is consenting while entering.

[cosmic drift]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by inhospitable?

[narrow ferry]

there's nothing about driving veterans away from #beginner-lounge , but instead about saying to take unrelated chat and weird stuff out of the channel

[umbral fog]

no, we're not. we're saying you don't need to be venting about your recent end-game problems or your complaints with how jobs work at end-game in #beginner-lounge, there are several other channels, not just #general-discussion for that kind of convo

[waxen root]

Then vicious cycle starts again and we'll have to make a new channel for when that channel gets crowded so like

what sort of long term solution can you all propose

[safe charm]

I don't want to be a broken record but #endgame-lounge is the intended channel for this
It wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea to move it up in category in my opinion so it gets more visibility, but this is already here.

Maybe the addition of threads would help too.

[umbral fog]

its great y'all have gotten comfortable in #beginner-lounge but y'all need to keep in mind who the channel is for. new players to discuss their experiences with the game, in a more chill environment.

[vivid raft]

you don't need to be in lounge 100% of the time, nobody's being driven away and you can carry conversations elsewhere if they're more appropriate to be in there than in a chat for beginners

[rocky cloak]

maybe #endgame-lounge could be a bit more visible? it's past non ffxiv content atm

[unique maple]

Oh true, forgot that exists and moving it up would be wonderful indeed

[zinc jay]

I won't deny that there are issues with #general-discussion and other channels in this discord, though. I think it somewhat comes down to the moderators having an increasingly noticable lack of engagement with the server save for acting on modmails or reported content, which means they don't really serve as much of a deterrent for rule breaking behavior. Mods being a bit more present in #beginner-lounge and other channels could potentially reduce these problems.

[cosmic drift]

I'll not ever expect my mods to be active participants if they don't want to. Watching the channels still constitutes a fair portion of work they put in for us. If anything, to go on a tangent, our Event Coordinators would be expected to have higher server participation than our chat moderators to drive community engagement, but I digress.

I'll also remind you that our mentors are also channel moderators for the sections they're orange in. Across all we've got, they all have a strong presence in their sections.

[unique maple]

Some say it's good to have vets there because since they're obviously veterans, they do provide sprouts with good information. Which is way better than sending faq's, unless there's not much to tell about it. Since the mentors are people who have lots of knowledge regarding the game, they too, would of course handle and explain things well instead of sending faq's and leaving it there. They're basically vets and they don't go off-topic too. So if you're not a mentor and you still want to hang out at lounge, I take it it's because you like helping people which is nice.

Other than that, endgame discussion channel is a must, right?

[thorny lantern]

I am usually in the off-topic channels a lot personally speaking, nobody gets on eachothers toes in those channels and people are chill.

If discord actually allowed people to open more than one channel at once it would really help with moderation and having more eyes on more things.

[cosmic drift]

The main issue comes from things seeming top-heavy in relation to how many vets there are compared to new players and such, which can make people uncomfortable bringing their own stuff up when the conversation is dominated by people way above, I think.

[zinc jay]

Yeah, I'm aware that moderators do have lives and all that and it's understandable that they won't be active all the time, but I just do feel there's issues with moderators not being consistently present in the server or only appearing to hand out punishments. I guess I'm talking a bit from the perspective of a #archived-lore-spoilers regular, though.

This isn't really particularly directly pertinent to the issue of beginners, i guess. I'll maybe toss you a dm about it later.

[cosmic drift]

All feedback is welcome here

[waxen root]

(Also, please, Discord staff, let us have something like TweetDeck, I like having a social life and can't have more than one channel open at a time )

[zinc jay]

Veterans often discussing optimization in a beginners-dedicated channel probably will lead them to think that this game is much more complex and difficult to get into than it is. I've seen multiple people ask about difficulty in the midst of opti-talk.

[worldly knoll]

I've gleaned enough from this conversation. You clearly have no plans to make sweeping changes to how #beginner-lounge is moderated, nor do you intend to course-correct. The channel will remain as it is, slowly deteriorating into a more extreme and hellbent version of itself until the people who cannot comply leave, and the ones who stay are either the ones miraculously exempt from the rules, or ones who comply with the rules so well it's a wonder how they are not already a mentor.

[cosmic drift]

If you feel some of our staff break the rules, please send a modmail or DM an admin. I take those kinds of allegations very seriously. 👁️👄👁️

[unique maple]

Then it comes back to suggesting vets not talking and not anyone else talking about their stuff too because they would dominate the chat, and scare new players. Which leads to the endgame discussion, which basically still suggests vets shouldn't talk there unless there's a sprout asking or discussing something. If they talk about the game, not endgame related, it will count as spoiling the game too won't it? So it's natural for vets and mentors to come there just when sprouts are curious about something and they start the discussion first and when they get their answer they're gone too. The lounge will basically belong to beginners, as it should be.

Otherwise, 1) off-topic, 2) spoiling, 3) endgame discussion is inevitable?

[open bobcat]

ignoring the actual points made in order to be pedantic isn't productive here

[untold sequoia]

The issue isn't with vets talking, but at times there have been vets who have forgotten that the channel is meant to be for new players, if endgame discussion is drowning out new players or confusing them, its a problem

[zinc jay]

I fail to see how following the rules of not discussing endgame content or opti in a channel for sprouts freshly starting the game is leading to some deteriorating death spiral, but okay. That just sounds like dooming.

again, the option of making your own discord for friends to talk to remove offtopic discussion from #beginner-lounge is on the table. It would resolve the problems while leaving dynamics unchanged.

[umbral fog]

Endgame discussion by itself is not an issue, its when veterans dominate a conversation with their end-game discussion and its ONLY veterans discussing that is an issue. Its fine if a new players is interested and asking questions about it, but when its just veterans whining about what they think is wrong with current rotations its not really appropriate for #beginner-lounge

[unique maple]

So it's about 'dominating' alright I got it now, thanks!

[zinc jay]

Too often have I seen people treating #beginner-lounge as if it's a group dm or friend channel, rather than a public channel in a large discord with a clearly defined purpose and use.

[safe charm]

fwiw before I was mentor I was considered a rando veteran, and vaguely touched on endgame stuff here and there, but I will admit fault and say I’ve contributed to long talks about stuff like adhoc Samurai instead of, like, basic fundamental rotational skills that would actually enrich a beginner’s understanding of the class, if that helps put it into perspectice

[worldly knoll]

Perhaps I was a bit too aggressive here. Upon further consideration, I do take your point in all this being that it's not necessarily about "off-topic" but more crucially "off-topic which inhibits discussions which would be productive for new players," is that correct?

[unique maple]

Then what will vets talk about in the lounge? I'm curious as to like, you know, what's the limit

[safe charm]

it’s less that ‘endgame bad fullstop’ versus ‘a convo that doesn’t help beginners flooding beginner’s chat’

[worldly knoll]

I think this is the right question to ask here, because I do enjoy helping people out in #beginner-lounge, but I also enjoy the social and communal aspects of it, and if possible I would like to stay in the channel without feeling as if I'm being watched by Big Brother like I'm in 1984.

[safe charm]

it’s highly contextual and will depend but it’s pretty easy to tell when a 15 minute talk about non-standard gains on Black Mage crosses the line, y’know?

but mentioning like ‘hey you got to 90! check out the Balance and here’s some small but easy opti tips for your rotation’ is, like, fine imo

[unique maple]

big brother

[simple vine]

I feel like 1984 is far extreme. The crackdown is often on people whining about high end job changes as such. Beginners seem happy to talk in there otherwise and it doesn’t feel like a major issue aside from warnings that really should be given out for going on long tangents that fill the screen.

[jade wagon]

Theres a difference between talking about recent fights and complaining about how you cant get through harvest 2 with a gold parse because you cant fit an extra gcd into your opener

[cosmic drift]

Kind of what they talk about in #general-discussion, right? I've seen a lot of memes and stuff that I've laughed at when I pass through

[carmine rivet]

Also so far mods only seemed to have to step in when conversations became overly familiar, nsfw or just genuinely too long off-topic.

I wouldnt call it 1984

[simple vine]

If you want to talk about whatever you’d like to, including high end with the friends you’ve made: I genuinely suggest your own group chat. Beginner lounge has a purpose to cater to beginners foremost.

[safe charm]

for the sake of transparency, I could be moderating way harder than I am right now, but I’m not trying to make the lounge a strict inhospitable and robotic chat for one purpose alone. Like, small off-topic, maybe vague crossing the line on opti, w/e I just let slide since I see it skew back to normality really easy

It’s mostly all the other stuff that actually breaks the rules that I crack down on

[vivid raft]

the current lounge as is, is okay aside from the issues already stated by jess above, just keep in mind that you're in a chat for beginners, and as such extensive talk that may be a detriment to a beginner has no place in there

[zinc jay]

1984? really?

it's... it's not 1984 to say "please move to another channel in this discord server with a lot of channels."

Alternatively, again, make a discord for your friends to talk about these things in a flow of consciousness way that doesn't disrupt beginners' purpose.

[safe charm]

also yeah for the sake of transparency I’ve had to moderate more about people talking about their sexual preferences than anything else in there so take that how you will

[unique maple]

I think Germain didn't mean that, I think Germain used 1984 as an example to being worried about being watched and afraid of saying anything because it could lead to some problems??? Idk man

[worldly knoll]

To further expound on what Rein said, yes, I don't mean "1984" as in "The chat is a fucking dystopia," I was using it as an example to get the point accross, but I understand that the tone of voice and intentions can be difficult to parse through text.

[simple vine]

I really feel like Gist’s first response was a catch all. Beginner lounge caters to beginners. It’s a shame you feel stifled by the restrictions on topic but that’s what it is, it seems, and the majority seem satisfied in how it caters to beginners and people later game alike.

[unique maple]

Alright okay so it's this for lounge, summarized

No end-game content talking
No disturbing conversations
No dragging on off-topic for a really long time
No spoilers

You can chat ofc and make jokes and all that

Just not... For a very long time?

[simple vine]

What? You can chat and make jokes for as long as you want, I’ve had discussions for a while without being disturbing, talking about endgame or being off topic.

[wheat shuttle]

I feel like this needs to be brought up as well, but stuff like NSFW in beginners has a strict NO because we’re a partnered Discord; it’s zero tolerance

[zinc jay]

just use other channels, mate

[cosmic drift]

In summary, enjoy #beginner-lounge as a story-free #general-discussion, but be mindful of new or returning players when they crop up and need help. No spoilers!

[safe charm]

With all due respect that’s really reductionist of the nuanced and context based points being made

Things aren’t as absolute as that, it just takes common sense and rationale to identify the particular issues being made, and it’s why I’m not a hardass on literally every little off-topic or too-tangential-endgame-talk in there

I am glad you are making an effort to understand though

[thorny lantern]

We also moved #endgame-lounge up to help veer some of the more endgame discussion into there.

[simple vine]

Tbh yeah good move. It felt really low down and hard to access with all the other more topical channels

[humble tendon]

I forgot #endgame-lounge existed 90% of the time

[cosmic drift]

it may not stay there. i'm just toying around with how we could better structure our channels since there are quite a lot of them.

[unique maple]

Same, it was so far down I forgot it's existence

[worldly knoll]

Alright, thank you for your time today. I'm glad we were able to clarify some of the murkier restrictions placed on #beginner-lounge.
Moving #endgame-lounge up will also surely alleviate the excessive flood of high-end chatter occupying the new player channel.

Again, sorry for any inconvenience I've caused, take care.

[cosmic drift]

It is not an inconvenience for you to submit feedback to #discord-feedback, and we appreciate you opening up the discussion for us to have.

[thorny lantern]

We always appreciate people being forward with their feedback.

Feedback can be surprisingly hard to get even in a discord as big as this.

[open bobcat]

mods genuinely do make their decisions out of good faith and not just a desire to crush any 'veteran' talk out of spite - it's their jobs to rein topics in as needed and the best people can do is respect that, so I'd like to thank the team for their efforts to keep the channel welcoming to beginners

[half vigil]

Feedback is always for the most part nice. It just happens that sometimes the channel and members get a little too carried away with some parts of it and don't fully digest what messages are being shared. We as a mod team aren't trying to condemn anyone who's raising feedback, nor are we try to curb engagement in one of the channels that has been a blessing to how the server operates. Its just in recent ages we've deviated from the channel's original purpose and have been trying to steer it back on course, for better or for worse. It wasn't meant to be at the expense of the current participants, but they also have to realize that there are steps they could also do to help us make the place more inviting.

[sturdy charm]

Could #952326072542847016 also be moved mayhaps? Seems strange it's under non-ffxiv when it's for ffxiv tech help

[simple vine]

I’d agree but also it’s normally only directly linked to people asking for help with ffxiv tech so there’s normally less issue finding it, and it’s hand in hand with other tech talk. Still I don’t talk there much so better for someone else to make a judgement

[cosmic drift]

It's in Non-FFXIV because it covers all tech support that may not be related to the game (PC build recommendations, console troubleshooting, etc)

[minor kelp]

it's for all tech topics tbh

[sturdy charm]

Oh I see, I thought the #technology-discussion was for that, all good then!

[minor kelp]

nah #technology-discussion is for general tech chatter, in #952326072542847016 we'll try to help with anything we can, windows issues, hardware failures and so on, but yeah a lot is XIV focussed purely because this is an XIV server

[zinc jay]

To fit in with the nomenclature should #endgame-lounge be renamed endgame-lounge?

[cosmic drift]

#general-discussion, #endgame-lounge

[hoary garden]

rants lounge

[simple vine]

wholesome lounge

[thorny lantern]

cute lounge

[hoary garden]

[minor kelp]

#technology-lounge please

[rich plinth]

I mostly use #beginner-lounge if i want to talk about ffxiv and #general-discussion for whatever

[timid pilot]

I forgot to ping you about this, but can you still do it? #discord-feedback message

[minor kelp]

https://arrstatus.com/ this seems to confirm the ip addresses you queried and also says dynamis is 204.2.229.137

[timid pilot]

👍

[upbeat raptor]

Hi Can we please get an RP channel here safe from ERP, they can do that on thier own times. 🙂 Please thank you.

[mighty fossil]

rp and erp should be their own separate discord servers as they're personal relation related things

[minor kelp]

perhaps an RP recruitment section alongside FC/static etc

[surreal shuttle]

The recruitment channels already allow RP-related recruitment so long as it’s not NSFW/18+/ERP

[zinc jay]

yeah there's #1041530453057863730 for that purpose

[rich plinth]

make "!faq buy" just the picture and another command like "!faq completebuy" how it currently is
!faq editions

[merry ore]

It’s a bit long

[safe mural]

!faq editions

[ancient gale]

What does each edition of the game contain?

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/xp5BSz3.png

[rich plinth]

include links to everyone mentioned in #announcements

[cosmic drift]

done, thanks

[hoary hemlock]

is there any way to recreate the #resources channel for my own server?

[sturdy charm]

You can create it with !resources command but you'll have to manually type everything in, no yoinking https://gitlab.com/kupo-bot/KupoBot/-/wikis/Staff-Commands#resources
Also not really the right channel to write in

[hoary hemlock]

I see. Sorry about that. Thank you for the command list :D

[tall kayak]

Unsure if the server has more animated emote slots, but I made this for elsewhere and figured I should share it here as well:

[versed mauve]

would it be possible to make edits to our own posts in the recruitment channels

[half vigil]

Currently as we are aware, this is a limitation that discord itself has, and we have escalated the feedback to the proper avenues. We also hope to get the updates we need soon. For now, just make sure you have properly added/proofread as much as possible before posting/reposting.

[cosmic drift]

NA-EU Region Role Color Suggestions

[rugged flicker]

Are tags broken in the recruitment channel? Clicking the tags isn't filtering like it should be

[untold sequoia]

Which ones are broken on your end?

[rugged flicker]

Oh I see, it filters based on OR statements. So clicking two tags just shows you everything you clicked, nvm working as intended albeit a bit annoying haha

[zinc jay]

the na/eu region roles cant see #archived-player-vs-player

[cosmic drift]

I knew I missed one. Got it. Thank you

[celest idol]

add !faq newplayervids as an alias for !faq newplayervid

[cosmic drift]

What kinds of videos would go into a FAQ like that?

cc: <@&473626701947994134>

[half vigil]

Its the se starter guide playlist

[safe charm]

everyone and their mom loves wesk alber too so maybe a link to his channel / a playlist would be helpful to alongside the existing starter vids
everyone just links a vid to him or mentions it whenever someone asks how to pick up a class anyway

[celest idol]

it's just the faq for the official SE new player video series and I used the wrong command a few times now because it's singular, not plural

would just catch that error easily

[safe charm]

also yeah cypher's suggestion is good but i think it's a good opportunity to mention that linking wesk's vids would be a good addition given his prevalence and overall helpfulness in teaching players

[celest idol]

I command for each job that just links to weskalbers video guides would be lovely as well!

[violet plinth]

ehh that would be a lot of commands to keep straight, maybe just a link to the channel/the job guide playlist?

[hoary garden]

Honestly, since all classes are basically a three letter code, it should be simple just to call it !faq XXXvid, and just slap in the class-appropriate acronym.

[half vigil]

added newplayervids and npv as aliases

[versed mauve]

i think adding a link to wesk's channel in !faq newplayervids would be better than making commands for every job, esp when stuff will inevitably get outdated with newer patches........at least if you link his channel it will show the more recent vids

[zinc jay]

Eh i disagree, id say job specific ones would be better if anything bc i see a lot of people assume they exist since blm has one

[half vigil]

you'd have to pay me to sit down and make almost 20 FAQs in one sitting I think the general consensus for the staff (after some discussion) is that we won't be making those FAQs. Particularly due to the nature of how that content is linking a beginner to 20+ hours of video content isn't necessarily the right sort of commitment they would make. Its a double-edged sword in the sense that while beginners and people who want to be given direction on what job to choose would benefit from it, that sort of content is way too longform for its intended purpose. On the other end of the spectrum, people who are at least cursorarily familiar with how the game would work (and has above a 3rd grade reading comprehension) wouldn't necessarily fully benefit from the guides as well. So while they are well created pieces of work, it would be worth considering not to default to throwing everyone the links immediately. Especially in the case of QnH/Beginner lounge purposes, taking the time to just properly answer questions rather than trying to rapidfire something because its tangentially related would serve to benefit the community more as a whole.

[azure gate]

It's honestly why I prefer to explain stuffs personally instead of shooting the faq command at someone with a ping

[celest idol]

I still think the commands would be useful, but I get the faq bloat. If someone specifically asks about how the rotation of a given job works at level X it is often just as cumbersome to find out what tools are available at that level to properly answer that question. Not to mention the time it may take to type it out, possibly added to explaining job specific terminology and whatnot. In an ideal world we'd have some concise beginner text guides to link to but afaik they dont exist, or at least not for every job.

But I agree with the length of the videos being an issue. It did happen in the past that one was linked and simply ignored because people would rather stay in the channel than watch a 45 minute video. Even though the full video would often not be needed to answer their question. They are meant to be resources you come back to frequently anyway, but that's not clear from the outset.

[hoary garden]

This does also imply that, if one wishes to be one of the people providing help and assistance to members and players who have questions, one should take it upon themselves to become familiar with the information they wish to provide.

FAQs are very useful, but they can also quickly become an excuse to not actually provide information to the requesting party.

[celest idol]

While I agree with that, I think that is a bit beside the point

[timid pilot]

We try our best to avoid FAQs that just end up as simple links to videos and such, as those can just be pins to a channel instead.

(Of course this doesn’t apply to the few other discords with FAQ privileges, like The Balance. How they make FAQs is entirely their own business which we rarely ever intrude on)

Most faqs that do end up as a simple link are usually because the topic is much too in-depth where making it in the faq itself would make it too long/wordy.

[hoary garden]

And in my experience, those are often best coupled with at least an ancillary explanation as to which parts are pertinent, or, such as in the case of !faq balance, how to navigate the material to arrive at the information desired.

Which brings us back to the sticking point (at least to me) of the Weskalber videos being extremely long for the desired information bite, and since said videos are often linked without any accompanying "go to this section for what you need", and just given as a complete package, making them a dedicated faq would seem to facilitate that sort of laziness in answering the question asked.

[celest idol]

The "problem" here is just that there are no suitable resources out there for rotational advice while leveling. And such advice would also be too long/wordy if you do put it into the actual faq. Of course anyone taking the time to look up the information and writing a paragraph about is doing a good thing. What I'm saying is simply that it could be easier for everyone involved. But I recognize the inherent issues with those videos

[hoary garden]

I disagree that it is inherently too long or too wordy. Simply be familiar with the necessary information and be concise.

[celest idol]

I think it's an unrealistic expectation to "be familiar" though I don't think anyone actually does expect that. Even if you know a given job, that doesn't mean you remember how it plays at a given level.

Of course it is realistic to expect someone to look up such information if needed, after all... Google exists. But even then, I don't quite understand why it would be a bad thing to put a thing that is frequently asked about into a feature that exists to answer frequently asked questions. Especially if that information is unlikely to fundamentally change any time soon. (Yes, I am aware that maintaining that many rotational guides would be a hassle since jobs are always evolving)

I think my main point for such a thing would be the fact that even if you are being concise, such information can quickly escalate into a pretty lengthy thing to type out. Not that anyone is forced to do that or that I dislike that personally, but still. Just trying to point to things that could potentially be easier here. Just an example for an explanation I gave on how pld works, and that was already glossing over a few things: #beginner-lounge message

But like I said, I recognize the issues with any proposed solution and tbh... I don't have anything better to offer. So uh... so much for constructive criticism

[agile acorn]

Is it intentional that #retired-na-datacenters doesn't have Dynamis in the topic?

[cosmic drift]

No. I fixed it, thanks for catching that!

[pallid badge]

Hola

[winter mountain]

Also Is it possible to add specific DC(Elemental, Mana, Gaia, Meteor) for JP region as well? since they don't have DC to choose from, their colour appear similiar to 'undecided' role

[gray nexus]

^ which is the case for all region roles atm I'm not sure if as of now it's intended or not but it's pretty close to undecided which throws me and some others maybe off at times

[cosmic drift]

The idea [tentatively] is to incorporate datacenter roles for all datacenters to provide users with color options for the chat. I can't give a pipeline right now, but Eanae had a great idea with that.

[cosmic drift]

To give some context, our JP role has been in place since about 2018-2019, and while other regions have gotten makeovers with extra datacenters and such, this one kind of slipped under the radar. We do plan to address this in 2023.

[gray nexus]

I See thank you for letting us know

[ornate pelican]

Datacenter roles are selectable if you update your discord.

We’ll add Japanese DC roles at some point

Still experimenting with the new discord features and planning what I want to do with DC roles

Also I have to bug @median jolt for art for the emojis

[cosmic drift]

are role icons something we want to add in addition to color?

[ornate pelican]

No immediate plans because role icons help staff stand out

[heady wedge]

Someone made a very good and easy to understand explanation of ndps, adps and rdps and I think that should be added to a faq command

[carmine rivet]

theres already a rdps faq

[cosmic drift]

!faq rdps

[ancient gale]

What is the difference between nDPS, rDPS, pDPS and aDPS on FFLogs?

• neutral DPS (nDPS) is: Your TotalDPS minus the damage from buffs you received
• RaidDPS (rDPS) is: Your TotalDPS minus the damage from buffs you received plus the damage from buffs you contributed
• Personal DPS (pDPS) is: Your TotalDPS without being adjusted for buffs.
• adjusted DPS (aDPS) is: Your TotalDPS minus single target buffs applied to you (devilment, dragon sight, astro cards, etc)

[cosmic drift]

Does this fit what you're looking for

[heady wedge]

Yes, now I have no idea why that command wasn't used in that context XD thanks

[narrow ferry]

because they said that they read the command but wanted more context/information

[zinc jay]

they wanted a better explanation and didn't understand the terminology bc en wasnt their first language

[heady wedge]

Oh got it thanks

[zinc jay]

can mods/mentors maybe be a bit more present in #questions-and-help? an increasing issue is that people will race to answer the question for brownie points without reading the whole question, or instead pop faq commands instead of giving decent answers. It leads to a bit of a cluserfuck because you end up having to argue with other people trying to answer quetions

Else i think mods maybe ought to consider giving warnings out a bit more freely for spreading confusion or not answering questions correctly/reasonably

[cosmic drift]

For the record, FAQ commands are there because we get those questions quite a bit. I wouldn't say they're not decent answers. If there's blatant misinformation going on and the person spreading it isn't admitting they're wrong, then it can go to modmail (or ping the mods, that's even better!).

But answering a question incorrectly once in a while isn't going to be something we punish someone for. No one's perfect.

Often, there may be a situation where someone asks for further clarification like you participated in above yesterday, which looks like the situation you're referencing today

[zinc jay]

Its a consistent problem with some people regularly there, i mean - not just necessarily today but has happened previously

[cosmic drift]

I wouldn't say #questions-and-help is devoid of mods and mentors either - we have a couple of new player mentors that are also mods, and quite a few new player mentors overall.

If there are consistent problems in there, report the situation! We won't always be aware unless we receive a ping in the problem channel or we get a modmail explaining the situation.

I'm unfortunately unaware of a solution to a lot of people knowing and typing out the answer to commonly asked questions if they're passing through.

[zinc jay]

I kinda phrased that bit badly - sometimes feels like the staff members present there arent so much focused on the people answering questions as they are the people asking them there as they should be.

Id report but i send in so many modmails already i dont wanna keep doing it

[cosmic drift]

I kinda phrased that bit badly - sometimes feels like the staff members present there arent so much focused on the people answering questions as they are the people asking them there as they should be.

I'm not sure what you mean there. ☝️ Could you give an example of what you mean?

Pings work just as well - sometimes better, especially for responding to problems live. Modmails are great for issues that need in-depth review, and pings are great for getting some spot-check assistance in a channel you think needs it. We would rather get pinged for a false alarm than let something slip through that people will be affected by in the long term.

[zinc jay]

i can dig up an example of what i mean and dm, slow mode and im on mobile for a bit lol

[cosmic drift]

For sure - for what it's worth, I generally more often than not see either a mod or a mentor actively posting in #questions-and-help when I pass through there. If you could give me an idea of times where you think that's not the case, I'd appreciate it

[versed mauve]

think slow mode should be reduced to something like 15-20s cause 30 feels way too long, esp if there are multiple new people asking questions and we have to wait 30s to answer each of them. i mean imo even something like 5 - 10s is enough to stop people from spamming answers but

also not sure how this will work out in the long run since it feels like this was tried with #archived-lore-spoilers already but im fine with trying it out

[cosmic drift]

#archived-lore-spoilers and #questions-and-help are two very different environments suiting two very different purposes. We discussed internally before implementing this change, and it was agreed that 30 seconds was a good starting point. We're always open to adjusting in one direction or another depending on what happens!

[open solar]

Wasn't sure where to ask this, but did some settings change today on the server? Before, I only saw the Important, Feeds, and some of the Server events categories. Today after work I check and there are a lot of "new message" flags on the server, and a few categories, FFXIV, NON FFXIV, etc. showing up. (Small note, I just a moment ago got the NA Role so I could try to post a question in one of the channels).

[zinc jay]

because you picked a role

[open solar]

I only picked a role after I saw all the channels pop up. Prior to a moment ago I had not chosen any roles.

[untold sequoia]

You can select a role up the top under Channels and Roles

You may have to update or refresh Discord (Control + R) to see it

[open solar]

Sorry, I don't think the question was clear. I had no role previously, and was only using the server for Feeds channel. Today I noticed many more channels active with new message notifications. So I chose a role (NA Datacenter only) in order to post the question to see what changed.

[untold sequoia]

Role permissions are being reworked atm

Which is probably why you could see more channels

[ornate pelican]

Yes

[ornate pelican]

I changed permissions

The server is no longer role gated

[zinc jay]

more of a discord question, is the home channel something i should be seeing? or do only some users have that function so far.

[ornate pelican]

I think everyone sees it

Doesn't look like you can hide it in Channels & Roles either

[zinc jay]

i have these two only and i'm on canary https://i.imgur.com/Zqob7M7.png

[ornate pelican]

Yep

Channels & Roles replaces #860652505117753384

It also pops up when new people join

Forcing them to pick a role before they can see the server

Oh, weird

idk why you'd be missing home

[zinc jay]

Yeah, I haven't had it for like months, I figured it was something that discord might just be rolling out individually or something but i just dont have it

[timid pilot]

I don’t have home either, and I’m on the official app

[zinc jay]

weird for sure. as said i'm on canary so i shouldve had it for a while but i dont

[ornate pelican]

I have it on all my clients plus my web test client

I'm making role changes so I'm using a second client to make sure I didn't break anything

[foggy minnow]

I think the home channel is still being rolled out so not everyone can see it yet. I have some folks on a few of my other servers who don't have it on those.

[onyx shale]

Is it gated by having the latest version of the discord app? I'm running an older version (because of all the crap changes done in the recent updates), and I don't see the home channel either

[zinc jay]

canary is the alpha and I get like 4-5 updates every day so no

[foggy minnow]

No I don't think version matter, discord is just doing that thing where they roll it out weirdly slow. It's also not on mobile yet as far as I'm aware, at least not on any of my servers.

[timid pilot]

Yeah I updated my iPhone+iPad app a few hours ago and I don’t see Home

[oak pawn]

I'm on Android 12 and can see everything

[ornate pelican]

As long as you see Channels & Roles it's all good

[neat sparrow]

Yeah home is being rolled out geographically currently

[prime sluice]

are there two caster roles?

[fossil moss]

I only see 1 on my end

[rocky cloak]

only seeing one (but i guess theyre talking about roles people have and not whats displayed)

[timid pilot]

Yeah, I think the roles from the new channel and the old role channels are stacking?

Some are, at least.

[versed mauve]

in !faq savageloot can we get the # of people for 1 chest/0 chest tacked on the bottom as a short sentence or something cause i keep forgetting what the separate faq command for that is and i liked having that stuff in 1 command

[tulip lava]

Technically yes, there was a goofup ~2 years ago and we ended up with two. Back then we only had 800 people stuck with the wrong role but over time it's resurfaced occasionally in various role reactions so both roles have tens of thousands of people in them now lol

The two Caster roles should be functionally identical. It's just a pain to combine them so we've ignored it to date (:

[agile acorn]

Hi, I sent a modmail in days ago and have yet to hear back except on a typo I made. Apologies if I shouldn't bug publicly here, since I don't lnow the social conventions here, but I'd like to know if/when to expect to hear back. Thanks!

[ornate pelican]

It hasn't been looked at yet, sorry.

Your specific request that is

It's been discussed internally briefly

[agile acorn]

Thanks for the update 🙂

[ocean dome]

make this a sticker, it's so funny. (please?)

[timid pilot]

Stickers are extremely picky in how they want to be sized

IIRC, they need to be 256x256 and need to be a PNG

[neat sparrow]

320x320 PNG <256kb

[hallow mist]

I doubt it'd be legible as a sticker, since the actual display size for stickers is much smaller than your embed

⬇️ Example

I overlayed the confirmation window onto that and.... yeah

[violet plinth]

yea stickers and small text don't really mesh too well, i put together the 'size of a roegadyn' from that LL showing off island sanctuary and it was near-illegible at actual sticker size

[turbid kayak]

make it a kupo kommand, like !faq metameme

[neat sparrow]

Nah it works, embeded just enlarged for some reason lol. It does look small as hell tho, so atleast on that front you are correct

[timid pilot]

yeah that just doesn't look good, imo

[carmine rivet]

The amount of empty space is especially bad on mobile

[azure gate]

You'd be better off recreating the sticker with more of a square size and thicker text

[plain arch]

Can confirm that looks like hot garbage on mobile. Bluntly put.

[vocal swan]

I feel like this has a pretty obvious answer, but what is the criteria to creating an ff related emote. As in are there any characters that in no way we are allowed make emotes of?

[ornate pelican]

You mean by SE policy?

[vocal swan]

Nope In this server

[ornate pelican]

No

[vocal swan]

Ok that’s all. Thanks for the response

[hallow mist]

As usual, please pin the proper start of the PLL translation in #translations-and-liveletters, thanks

[low sundial]

I really don't mean to sound ungrateful, but can you please try to post the screenshots in #translations-and-liveletters without black bars. It is super easy to screenshot a YouTube livestream without black bars.

[untold sequoia]

The live letter is moving at a fast pace and it can be difficult to keep up with how quickly the dev team is showing new information, and going back to get a screenshot can slow you down and make you miss more stuff

The translation team is doing their best

[low sundial]

Yeah I know, and I'm not saying to spend extra time cropping the screenshots. That would absolutely take too long. I'm saying there are very easy ways to grab the screenshots without black bars in the first place. Firefox lets you take a snapshot of just the video, for example. Even if you're on an ultrawide, that snapshot won't include black bars.

[hoary garden]

Honestly it does sound pretty ungrateful.

[low sundial]

I'm just gonna choose to ignore this strangely hostile response to legitimate feedback and provide you with some browser extensions I found through a quick Google search.

For Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-screenshot-button/
For Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/screenshot-youtube/gjoijpfmdhbjkkgnmahganhoinjjpohk?hl=en

Both will let you take a screenshot of just the video without black bars.

[violet plinth]

if you don't like their screenshots, take them yourself lol. the team's taking the time out of their days to translate live so we can know what's being said. they don't need to do it, they're not being paid for it, they're doing this voluntarily

[low sundial]

And I'm trying in a friendly way to help them do that a little bit better. In the feedback channel.

[narrow ferry]

I mean it's a reasonable recommendation/suggestion for something that might improve quality, not really anything more than that

[rich plinth]

if you're also trying to use the pictures from #translations-and-liveletters, just use something like lightshot honestly.

[untold sequoia]

Guys, they're allowed to offer feedback and they went about it in a polite way. The backhanded commentary is unneeded and unwanted

[untold sequoia]

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll pass it along to the translation team

[brisk rock]

hey!! so what's the current status on voice channels?

[timid pilot]

Closed until proper and legal moderation tools for VC can be found, basically.

[deft sorrel]

I do not foresee voice channels coming back in the near future, or at all if I can be perfectly frank.

We ran into a number of issues while they were open that we are still unable to satisfactorily address. A large amount of rule breaking occurred, including abusive language and bullying.

Short of having a moderator sit in the channels full time (which we will never do unless folks want to cough up the dough for a full time job), our options are reduced to recording... which happens to slam us face-first into about a baker's dozen privacy laws in the US, and about triple that in the EU.

It's simply not worth it.

[flint coral]

This is pretty NSFW and similar posts have been removed from #memes-and-shitposting for being explicit. I don’t really think it’s appropriate for #announcements

#announcements message

[ornate pelican]

It’s not ok. Dealing with it.

[cold sinew]

Would it be possible to ban all mention of FF16 spoilers?

[half vigil]

Can you give some more detail about what sort of spoilers are showing up and where?

[minor kelp]

They're talking in anticipation of release, not actual spoilers being posted currently

[iron blaze]

So like make a channel/thread for FFXVI talk, given the fanbase overlap with FFXVI, to cover spoiler in the time it takes that game to hit pc (from what I understood) and "ban" talk elsewhere. I second the idea and was going to propose it closer to release given it is a fair of bit time off.

[rich plinth]

#982154096763109436

[wary crater]

is it possible for OCE/Materia role to get a colour?
it was changed to the default dark grey a while ago when roles were being redone, but hasn't changed in weeks since
and frankly its kinda hard to read on discords normal theme because the colour is so dark.
alternative suggestions, can the default colour not be the dark grey?

[waxen root]

Grey is the class roles, you don't have any data center or region role.

[wary crater]

i do, OCE
fuck, i was screwing with it, one sec
the page says i do, but they aren't appearing

ok fixed, BUT the Materia button, doesn't assign the Materia role, it only applies the same OCE role
hence, NO colour for anyone in Materia

[onyx shale]

That's the colour that's showing for me too

[wary crater]

colours are on Datacenter roles normally, but Materia doesn't have a datacenter role for some reason, it just assigns the same OCE role, which has no colours

every single person i see who is on OCE in chat, has default colours

makes it hard to see who is in OCE/Materia, vs ppl who are new and just haven't set their datacenter role

[minor kelp]

all the DC roles are the same colour currently

[smoky bridge]

Where do I find the link for blacklisted terms?

[cosmic drift]

The host of our file has 503'd; the link has been removed until further notice.

[wary crater]

well looks like someone has fixed the materia role, ty 😄❤️

[zinc jay]

choosing materia in the channels and roles menu just gives me the oce role

[cosmic drift]

it does?

[zinc jay]

yes https://i.imgur.com/wwXDTBZ.png

ill refresh discord but this just feels weird

refreshed and yeah its still giving me oce, not materia

[cosmic drift]

should work now

[zinc jay]

it does indeed

now i can be gween

[smoky bridge]

ah okay, I thought I was just a lost boomer unable to find it anymore. Is there any possible way to view it at all at the moment?

[cosmic drift]

Right now, no. We're working on determining a new host for our text file and making any necessary updates to it before we republish since it's been a while since it's been refreshed.

[smoky bridge]

All right, big thanks. Can I suggest we add Andrew and Tristan Tate to the filter if they aren't already?

[zinc jay]

google docs? unless google tos forbids those sorts of slurs. could also just use pastebin

[cosmic drift]

pastebin no slurs, google docs I'll bring up

[zinc jay]

you could also always maybe just use a plaintext file. i think they upload in such a way on discord that you can view it within the app or just download it, but you can minimize it so you dont necessarily have to see the list

[cosmic drift]

I'll put a reminder here that the list was an example of banned/automoderated terms, not an exhaustive one. If you don't think it's appropriate to talk about in a server related to FFXIV, it's probably not

[grizzled carbon]

hey, I noticed that you have a reference to deleted-role in the about-this-server channel. thought I'd bring it to your attention 🙂

[ornate pelican]

Weird. Thanks I’ll fix it tomorrow unless someone else gets to it.

[cosmic drift]

it's fixed now! thanks for letting us know

[grizzled carbon]

yay

[autumn fjord]

can we add something about #endgame-lounge being specifically about gameplay/raid discussion in the channel topic please? we’ve had people assume that it meant “endgame” in general and post story-related spoilers

[plain arch]

#endgame-raid-talk

Simple rename would probably work. Though I honestly think if you're talking in.. y'know... the end of current game channel, you should know there's gonna be spoilers in there by definition.. like that's why it's separate from main discussion.

[cosmic drift]

If you go in #endgame-lounge, are you not assumed to be at endgame?

[zinc jay]

I think rin's point is that its purpose isnt clear, not so much that spoilers being there is an issue. Ive seen people ask about hw or arr spoilers because "endgame" isnt clear to them

[autumn fjord]

it's mainly sprouts who have stumbled in assuming that "endgame" means a free for all channel where they can discuss spoilers or end-of-expansion content, or people asking about glamour because "glamour is endgame"

"endgame" by itself is evidently not clear enough to new players who might not even be aware that it's referring to high-end raid content in the first place

[cosmic drift]

We discussed this internally, and we'll be allowing spoilers as a sort of "no man's land" territory - sometimes, story elements end up being crucial to progression in current content when it comes to clearing the most current of content. Story discussion at length will be discouraged. A spoiler warning has been placed in the channel topic, but we will not change the name of the channel at this time. I hope this addresses all of your concerns.

[autumn fjord]

i was asking for a reference to raid gameplay to be added in the channel topic, not a complete change to the channel name itself, but if you guys think this is adequate then fine

[cosmic drift]

The channel is intended for current patch endgame battle content [savage raids, trials, ultimates] - other similar difficult content can also fit there like older ultimates and min ilvl synced stuff. Putting raid specifically I think would hamper discussion about new extreme trials, which I don't think is a good fit

[autumn fjord]

my gripe is that it’s not clear that it’s about combat-related endgame and for some people it comes across as a catch-all for all things considered endgame, which includes glamour and spoiler story discussion. especially since #endgame-lounge is so high up in the channel list, above the expansion discussion forum and wayyyy above the ffxiv content category

[zinc jay]

you could even just name it #endgame-content-discussion and have a kupo message about how its explicitly about high end and story spoilers should go to #archived-lore-spoilers or #952271392424992838

it would be clearer and also point people towards #952271392424992838 which a lot of people dont really realize the purpose of

[simple vine]

imo, agreeing with rin: a disclaimer of 'this is for endgame combat content' in the channel description would be more helpful than the spoiler and off topic disclaimer.

We want it to be established it's for combat content: We don't need a defence for those participating in endgame discussion from spoilers very often, it's moreso to be discouraging people fresh out of endwalker going in to only talk about story and glamour, which have their own respective channels. It would also establish to people what the topic is when looking at the description, instead of kicking off with 'no off topic' which is up to interpretation when the channel is only called 'endgame'.

[zinc jay]

like, the first sentence of this message is what should be said somewhere for that channel, in the description and/or a kupo bot reminder

[fossil moss]

Could also use the game term of “high end duties”, most of the content being discussed in endgame discussion are the high end duties ones, all can be found in game under the raid finder tab. Aka current extreme, savage and all ultimates.

[untold sequoia]

Would a new player understand what high end duties means?

[minor kelp]

I think they would understand #high-end-duties, I also think #endgame-duties would work too

[autumn fjord]

imo “high-end” is too specific to in-game terminology and “endgame” by itself is way too broad

[untold sequoia]

What about something like level 90 duties discussion?

[zinc jay]

that's too broad too. that could include normal modes and normal trials. it also excludes old ultimates, ba, and dsr

also i really think the non-ffxiv stuff should be pushed down below all the xiv content. end of the day this is an xiv-focused server and i dont think off topic channels should be above them

[simple vine]

I just think the channel description should be updated to say it's combat-related; I don't really have stake in any other suggestion about actual title changes to the channel. The current description won't stop people thinking that it's fine to talk about story, if anything it would encourage them because of the emphasis the desc places on story completion as if story discussion is a regular thing in there. It doesn't specify what on topic is. That being said I think 'endgame combat discussion' (though it's a bit of a mouthful) would also absolve any questions people have about the topic of the channel though, but I'd just be happy to see a tailored description.

[minor kelp]

if we're going to tackle that too, then we need to move #952326072542847016 to an FFXIV section then

[zinc jay]

wouldnt be against it. since it's meant for xiv-specific tech support

could also take the channels in the miscellaneous category and spread them around already existing ones, like most of them fit into the non-xiv section except maybe #art which could go into xiv content.

[oak pawn]

It used to be like that before

But these channels were moved up because people kept flooding the xiv related channels with off topic/tech talk way way worse than it is now

[merry ore]

While it’s not good for general information as a whole, could the relic guides on the consolegamerwiki be added to the relic weapon link commands for Kupo?

I’ve found that those guides are more generally useful than the ones linked on Reddit since they’re still updated, and that they’re less personalized

[flint coral]

since #ffxiv-screenshots is archived, where is an appropriate place to put screenshots?

[cosmic drift]

See #1062727167294853140, more details soon! ♥

[sudden furnace]

Just wanted to make sure, is there a limit to how long #art will be visible? I have an extensive post history there that i often search to find old things im looking for

[zinc jay]

afaik the archived channels are always going to be visible

also could we maybe move #1012400549007732786 to above #1062567708333453362 but below #general-discussion, i think that's a better spot for it so its more central at the top since #1062567708333453362 wont be there most of the time

[cosmic drift]

No

[sudden furnace]

A suggestion I would make - could you link the new threads for things like #1062750745847406592 as the last post in the archived channels? Anyone that usually lurks a specific one would probably tab in to it and be very confused (as I was) - it'd be a very efficient way to direct them. Especially since the new ones need manual following to see it in the channel list
(in addition to the #announcements post i imagine is forthcoming once changes are settled)

[cosmic drift]

#1062567708333453362 will remain where the old patch discussion channel used to live as it's temporary and a high-traffic discussion place. It will not always be there, and will disappear as it always has when content isn't new anymore (coming back for new patches).

[zinc jay]

my suggestion still stands though that i think #1012400549007732786 should go above it, not between qnh and lore spoilers

[cosmic drift]

I can do that. I wanna reiterate that this is a pilot lasting no more than a few weeks to see if the feature works well for this purpose (#announcements). If things don't work out, some or all of the changes can be reverted.

(I'd've merged the original channels into these posts, but unlike actual forums, Discord doesn't have the technology )

[sudden furnace]

Another note from some testing with forums - discord's server search can't find the new ones until you're already subscribed to them, so it would be extra difficult for someone confused (who doesn't check #announcements) to find the new ones. Wouldn't be a problem once people are there, but I think multiple avenues to funnel the old users to the new destinations is warranted. Was making this while you responded, appreciated, and yeah some of it is definitely just missing tech from Discord oof.

Also, I don't think its a dealbreaker either way or anything, but some information worth noting: channel searching currently lumps all threads together and includes results from all of them, and while they're appropriately labeled, it doesn't seem like you can separate them. Doesn't matter to me much since I'm exclusively an #1062750745847406592 user so searching my own history will filter things just fine, but it could affect usability for others

[rocky cloak]

not feedback but a tip, one can maximize the window of the forum post by using this in the top right corner (would show as full view if its split at the moment)

i didnt know this was a thing im so happy i found it is all

[mortal wigeon]

Definitely feels like the forums add another unnecessary level of organization
this are conversations, not project folders, accessibility should be more important than putting everything in the right box

[sudden furnace]

I'm inclined to agree, given that muting the category (or individual channels) was already a sufficient option for people who didnt want to see it. I admit limited experience with super large discords (well, in recent years at least, I was more of a power user in public discords back when we just had channels and nothing else lol) but the best uses of forums I've seen have essentially been as more organized threads, allowing regular users to start new tailored conversations (such as sharing strategies for a game), or any sort of temporary discussion area, which seems to be how the initially implemented threads of #952326072542847016 and #952328891584872488 are used. I don't think it works as well as alternatives to dedicated premade/permanent channels.

[cosmic drift]

This is a fair criticism, and I accept it. My primary goal with this trial is to elevate visibility of these channels and get them back into the limelight for their intended purpose. I dislike having to permanently sunset things, so I'm hoping this will breathe some life into some of the lesser used places (some of which people didn't even know existed )

[regal junco]

It said you guys are actively looking for feedback, sooo just wanna drop my two cents that I'm not a fan of the new #1012400549007732786 forum section. I think it makes sense for recruitment and expansion discussion because of spoilers but screenshots, PvP, and island sanctuary all deserve their own dedicated channels

[cosmic drift]

For what it's worth, island sanctuary has been the only post in #1012400549007732786 for a little while now. What this is doing is bringing the other content channels up into the fold while still keeping their specialized nature intact.

That said, if you have suggestions for how to achieve this goal in other ways, i am all ears!

[wooden seal]

I think that the admins' stated purpose for burying so many rooms in threads (promoting more thoughtful discussion) is faulty, as all it will do is drive less awareness that those discussions happen in the first place. If you make things less accessible, people are not going to be inclined to jump in. Wayy too much menu diving and overorganization.

[regal junco]

I don't have any specific suggestions just yet. But I think Island Sanctuary, Glamour, PvP, and Screenshots are all large enough types of gameplay/modes that don't need to be compartmentalized. Like, you might as well shove Savage Raiding and Ultimate Raiding into a bucket there too.

I understand why there is a need to though because channel bloat. I just don't know the solution to that besides suggesting to take consideration of how large and active those aforementioned gameplay/modes are for the player base.

[zinc jay]

I mean, if you follow a post in a forum they show up in the channel list, rather than having to dig into it each time. It works fine if you do that, but discord just doesnt make that obvious

[cosmic drift]

The feature was launched by Discord for that - I'm currently trying this out as a more "nested category", so to speak. A few years ago, we started to experience a lot of channel bloat with introducing standalone channels because at the time, there weren't channel threads or forums, or any of that; there were only channels. We took the measure then to split the then-larger FFXIV and non FFXIV categories off to segment the lesser-used channels away for people to collapse without scrolling. This has had the unfortunate side effect of stifling participation in those channels (that were already struggling a bit before) due to lack of awareness, from what I can tell.

Now with new organization features pushed by Discord that we didn't have 4-5 years ago, I thought I'd give it another go at bringing the lesser-used channels back into the fold and remind folks that we do indeed have a cat-discussion channel, for instance

[regal junco]

And since this server caters strongly towards newcomers to the game, if visibility of the old channels was an issue, perhaps it's a matter of just shuffling channel categories and channel order rather than bucketing them into forums (and thereby hiding them)

[zinc jay]

I do think this is a better solution, but I'm not sure if all of the channels within their respective categories should be put in there. I think things like #art or #ffxiv-screenshots should be their own channels but higher up the list as an example.

I also think that the non-ffxiv-discussion channels still should go below role lounges and the dc channels because it suggests they're of more relevance than the ffxiv-dedicated channels. the balance does this and the off topic channels are still fairly active with off topic chatter

[wooden seal]

Yea I just don't agree that burying topics that people actually come here for in favor of promoting a cat channel makes sense. A bit of extra top line scrolling through channels beats menu diving and guessing which category has the topics you care about.

[regal junco]

They should be at the bottom or near bottom for sure.

FFXIV
FFXIV Content
Kupo Support
Data Centre Chatter
Non FFXIV
FFXIV Recruitment

Tho the last two could be swapped interchangeably maybe

[half vigil]

As much as I'd like to agree about island sanctuary/pvp being big gameplay proponents, they're not necessarily large traffic proponents of the server.

[thorny lantern]

The off-topic channels see a lot of usage.

[sudden furnace]

Yeah it's specifically the discoverability that makes me concerned. It's not that bad to use once you're already in a particular one, but it's far more difficult to find. This might be mitigated in the short term since you made an #announcements post about it, but I don't know if that trend would hold if this became a long term solution.

[cosmic drift]

also I did italicize actively, I'd love for as many people to try this out and give me an idea of how it's working

and if it's not working, i'll try something else instead

[thorny lantern]

In fact, #video-games-general is the channel with the third-most activity below #general-discussion and #beginner-lounge .

[regal junco]

I'm not a fan of non-gaming-related channels placed higher up in any channel category list of a gaming Discord server in general. Just because they're more active it doesn't mean they need to be highlighted even more. If any, maybe it means people already know about them and don't need to be showcased even further

[cosmic drift]

Non-gaming being above everything is less reflective of 2023 organization and more of it being an artifact of the before times when the server was just ffxiv and non ffxiv

[oak pawn]

We have had them further down before.
The issue was that people are lazy and don't scroll down, so we had excessive amounts of offtopic in FFXIV channels to the point both we and the users got tired and annoyed of the constant mutes, warns, purges & co

[thorny lantern]

^

[cosmic drift]

there is also rob's point of sending off-topic all the way down to the shadow realm, where you'll have to potentially scroll down past island sanctuary, glamour discussion, and so on in an alternate timeline

[ornate pelican]

The archived channels will be permanently visible

[cosmic drift]

redirecting people out of a channel they're actively chatting in, too, more often than not just makes them stop talking

Aside from maybe Discord allowing personal customization of the order on the sidebar of channels available to the user [letting you put channels you have access to wherever you want on your client], I don't think there is a perfect solution that'll make everyone happy

[ornate pelican]

At some point I reserve the right to clear out channels though if we need channel real estate. I’m kind of getting tired of all the new channels we make and then archive forever.

It’s clutter and it’s annoying.

I might force them to move contests to forums

So we can easily keep things tidy

[zinc jay]

I'm gonna be honest, while this reasoning is fair this still happens irregardless of where the non-ffxiv-discussion channels currently are. #general-discussion has bouts of discussing ffxiv but a lot of the time it's just people saying hi or hello or talking about anime or video games, or mods discussing ducks. The current placement of the non-ffxiv-discussion channels hasn't really changed that.

I don't really see why the non-ffxiv category cant be pushed down further in an ffxiv-focused discord, especially with how many mods are active in #general-discussion than other channels. Why cant they push users to the off topic channels since they're so present there, or engage in proactive moderation in that channel?

The balance does this - placing all the relevant ffxiv channels towards the top and the off topics below them all since ffxiv is the point of the server, while it is more specialized I dont particularly see how the same cant work here. The difference I guess is mods being more proactive, which with the new jr mods shouldnt be a problem.

I just don't buy this reasoning because it comes across as an issue with a lack of moderation in the channels that need it. it's an ffxiv server, lounges dedicated to specific roles and datacenters shouldnt be put below non-ffxiv chatter

I do hope yall realize im saying this for the good of the server, not to be outwardly hostile or anti-mod team because yall are great

[regal junco]

staff here are good
organized and communicative

[thorny lantern]

The category got moved below the datacenter channels and the role lounges.

[zinc jay]

bless.

[thorny lantern]

Tho thanks to the bloat I had to mute and collapse the role lounges and datacenter channels(mods can see every channel). :x

[wooden seal]

Yea the reasoning is suspect to me, were there really widespread user complaints or did the admins just want change for the sake of change? I loved the layout before.

[thorny lantern]

I also do want admins to discuss things with us blues more before making any changes like this, preferably some days before.

[zinc jay]

And tbh, with all of the debate over the patch-specific channels i really dont see why y'all cant just forgo making them and use #archived-lore-spoilers for all of it?

no threads, just in that channel. Maybe slow mode it for the first few hours for like 5 seconds or so or something, then take it off when it cools down. And then enforce spoiler tags for 6.3 for like 2 weeks after release there and thats it

I just often see people in #archived-lore-spoilers around patch time get frustrated as to why they cant discuss current patch content there when it is assumed to be an all spoiler zone, even with spoiler tags.

While yeah staff has the right to play 6.3 too it could be more effective and less fucky with perms as the lore mentors who do a Great Job moderating the channel as it is could supplement the mods' moderation as well.

[zinc jay]

y'all dont get told? i feel like that'd be a good way to potentially deal with organization issues in advance

[regal junco]

Ngl I thought the #archived-lore-spoilers feels redundant to me too. At a glance, without clicking in, these all talk about the same thing:

#archived-lore-spoilers
#952271392424992838
#endgame-lounge
#1062567708333453362

[cosmic drift]

( #endgame-lounge and #archived-lore-spoilers are not the same thing, the former is 99% battle content, latter is all story all the time)

[zinc jay]

#archived-lore-spoilers is uh very not endgame related and should stay as it is. while it is a more niche channel it has a specific purpose.

[regal junco]

I know they're not. But that's why I said at a glance. Based off of channel title alone, to be clear

[zinc jay]

Honestly the other solution could be using more categories than just ffxiv. story/endgame, discussion, help

[thorny lantern]

#archived-lore-spoilers is its own thing, different culture.

[zinc jay]

LIke an ffxiv-discussion category could be:
#general-discussion
#beginner-lounge
#endgame-lounge
#rants

ffxiv-help could be:
#questions-and-help
#952326072542847016
lounges as forum threads?

ffxiv-story could be:
#archived-lore-spoilers
#1062567708333453362
#952271392424992838

though this could just compound the overorganizing issue

[thorny lantern]

This time, no, only about 30 minutes before, which is nowhere near enough time to iron out and discuss potential issues.

[zinc jay]

honestly it might've been better to elevator pitch this first to the server and gather feedback rather than doing it and asking for metaphorical forgiveness/feedback after, then

[ornate pelican]

To be fair it was a surprise to me too

[wooden seal]

Aren't you the admin

[versed mauve]

there are multiple

[wooden seal]

Yea not a good look

[ornate pelican]

Yeah I’m dealing with that. The changes are going to stay because they would have probably eventually gone in this direction.

I may tweak a few things here and there.

(I am tweaking things)

Screenshots, Glamour, UI channels are coming back. PVP is staying under the forum. The fitness channel is being retired as it was under utilized and if people want it back we can make it a thread somewhere.

[cosmic drift]

I do appreciate the above feedback - forum channels have their use, but I don't think many things we have here really fit what that purpose is for.

[hallow yacht]

I think kupobot has not detected the latest emergency maint that is soon btw

[hoary garden]

It has.

[ornate pelican]

If it’s not under maint that means that SE did something weird with their date formatting and Kupo failed to parse when the maintenance actually was supposed to occur.

@stone aurora could check the error logs (he changed some stuff so I’m not even sure how to check anymore)

[hallow yacht]

Thanks for the consideration

[ornate pelican]

!maint

[ancient gale]

Tick, Tock, Kupo!

Time Until "All Worlds Emergency Maintenance" Maintenance:

**<t:1673589600:F>

3 hours, 30 minutes, 56 seconds**

[ornate pelican]

I added it manually for now.

[hallow yacht]

Thanks for the help

[static hazel]

we need a blue mage channel

[minor kelp]

this sounds like a thing that'd make a good thread in #1012400549007732786

[ornate pelican]

Is there new blue mage content?

[static hazel]

not yet but I'm leveling blue mage now and I can't be the only one so I figured there would be a nice place to ask various questions

[hallow yacht]

Hmmh... Maybe a role? like #healer-lounge but #blu-lounge? That's it, if we don't have role clutter

[merry ore]

there's the blue academy

[static hazel]

I didn't see that one

[half vigil]

The #archived-caster-lounge is the general funnel for blu atm. but yes Blue Academy discord should also serve a lot of your needs as well

[zinc jay]

Props to the admins for making this server feel a bit safer for trans folks

[gray nexus]

can only agree there thanks for keeping this server safe

[cosmic drift]

One thing to be mindful of is that people may still choose to play the game for what it is in spite of everything - they're still allowed to do that and be part of our community. There just doesn't need to be any discussion about it here - there are other places for that.

[wise musk]

^ This. We aren't going to tell anyone whether or not they should or shouldn't buy or play the game as that is a personal choice people will have to make

[smoky bridge]

Just so we're clear, general HP discussion outside of the game is also not allowed? Or is it just discussion of the upcoming game?

[untold sequoia]

Harry Potter in general is not allowed to be discussed

[smoky bridge]

Okay, gotcha, just wanted the utmost clarification.

[ornate pelican]

The discussion is set to be blocked on a new filter that simply removes the words. This is separate from the filter we use for slurs.

[rose jolt]

uhhhh may I ask why?

[merry ore]

Announcements

[rose jolt]

oh, that's a shame

[timid pilot]

Not sure if it's something you can edit, but #1039984999157485618 is still using the old JP datacenter icons instead of for the tags

(I also can't seem to find the emote for Elemental)

[ornate pelican]

Because the file was too big and @graceful wren didn’t resize it 😦

[graceful wren]

Whoops, must have forgotten to send it to you

[cosmic coyote]

Could the slow mode timer in questions chat be reduced to around 15 seconds? I think that number would be better suited to allowing answers to multiple questions, while also discouraging spam.

[cosmic drift]

#1039984999157485618 and the new Community Onboarding feature now use the updated Elemental and otherwise JP icons thanks to @graceful wren.

[worthy maple]

A new server picture - cute ❤️

[lyric sentinel]

So I recently started a monk whom I made it to level 21 veira but I started over and off with a hyur archer instead should I just stay my veira?

[waxen root]

wrong channel, and it's also completely up to you. We can continue this in #questions-and-help

[merry ore]

Small petition to have !rprbismeme added as another option for the !reaperbismeme command

[cosmic drift]

!faq reaperbismeme

[ancient gale]

The Edge is Calling Tonight

[merry ore]

Er, meant the faq, yeah

[minor kelp]

Done, added !faq rprbis too

!faq rprbis

[ancient gale]

The Edge is Calling Tonight

[umbral fog]

rprbis shouldn't be one of the alias' for it. because its potentially misleading, since balance faq bis and all that jazz

[minor kelp]

fair point

[cosmic drift]

kael help

🥹

!faq rprbismeme

[ancient gale]

The Edge is Calling Tonight

[cosmic drift]

@untold sequoia did it

🎊

[untold sequoia]

[sly niche]

I would suggest that there be a fanon discussion channel or thread. Not only would it be useful for me (since my stuff isn't allowed in lore-spoilers but isn't really off-topic either) but plenty of people have WoL or [5.3]||Azem|| headcanons as well.

[untold sequoia]

You're allowed to discuss headcanons in #archived-lore-spoilers, just make it clear that its a headcanon and not real canon, and don't be too disruptive

You can also talk about it in #not-ffxiv-discussion, just use spoiler tags

[zinc jay]

then please update or delete this pinned message in there, as it's directly the opposite of that. #archived-lore-spoilers message

[untold sequoia]

We'll look into rewording that

But I don't see any issue with you discussing your fanon politics map in #archived-lore-spoilers, just be mindful of the people who want to discuss actual canon

[zinc jay]

also the lore mentors have said the opposite of this so

[untold sequoia]

If the Lore Mentors don't want it in #archived-lore-spoilers, then I'll stand by their choice, so disregard what I said and talk about it in #not-ffxiv-discussion

[sly niche]

...But my map thing is FFXIV discussion is the problem.

Also, if you're ONLY allowed to discuss canon stuff in #archived-lore-spoilers, then what you want isn't a lore channel, it's a wiki.

[hoary garden]

I mean ... non-canon stuff, to include "head-canon", isn't actually lore, is it?

[cosmic drift]

I think it's pretty clear in the channel topic of #archived-lore-spoilers that it is for FFXIV lore and spoilers; headcanon doesn't really fall in the realm of that, and I don't really see this crop up in other story-based channels in other gaming servers, either.

[surreal vale]

Please, after several years of its implementation, shorten the Kupo Bot's message in FFXIV discussion.
Most of the active users have been here for a while, mods are active enough and the message is just too disruptive for discussions to go on especially for phone users as it takes up the majority of the chat's screen. It's good to be disruptive, it's its main use, but not when 3/4 of the time it disrupts an actual FFXIV discussion and could lead to cat posting n' all right after. Thank you for your consideration

[untold sequoia]

We'll discuss internally about how disruptive the message can be and if if the benefits outweigh to drawbacks. No promises that we'll change anything so for now I suggest you just ignore it

[weak oracle]

I'm trying to configure kupobot on my server but when trying the commands to assign channels it just says command error due to syntax?

[sturdy charm]

Check this https://gitlab.com/kupo-bot/KupoBot/-/wikis/How-Do-Command-Arguments-Work%3F otherwise feel free to pop into the below

[ancient gale]

Discord for Kupo Bot support

https://discord.gg/4dpPFcWURA

[pearl halo]

Moderators are approving recommending XIVLauncher (and alternatives) to newer & returning players in #questions-and-help , who don't otherwise know the risk(s) that pertain to it's utilization.

Yes, there is a footnote at the end of the bot-response. But, it's pretty commonsense to know that most people do not have the attention span (especially new/returning players) to read that far. They will click the link and download.

In fact, this is something many programmers learn throughout our courses. As developer(s) of Kupo Bot, this should be practiced as well. Footnote should be a headernote.

This alternative shouldn't be recommended unless a player is asking for such a launcher, or if the launcher is giving them serious problems over multiple occurrences/tries.

In the case of my feedback, mods recommended it to a returning player amongst (what is known to be) their first error in that launcher, with downloading the game. For more context on what I am basing my feedback on, please review the discussion that the following link will start you at (#questions-and-help message)

[neat sparrow]

99% of the time the issue with downloading the game is the launcher itself. So the big general solution is to use the third party launcher or clear explorer cache. But more often then not third party launcher is the easiet solution.

[pearl halo]

I agree, then if someone does the FAQ command they should mention the risk. Or as I mentioned in my feedback, that foot note warning should be a header note. That is taught (and practiced) in most programing courses that people do not have attention spans.

Even more so considering newer and returning players.

[umbral fog]

Its in the FAQ though, I don't particularly see why adjustments need to be made when the FAQ isn't particularly long to begin with and even if it was at the top it doesn't mean the person is any more likely to read it

[violet plinth]

^ if the person doesn't want to heed the warning, that's on them for not readinng the full FAQ

[pearl halo]

In what context would a new player assume there is a risk to a link in the support channel of this discord? They asked for a fix (one time), and were provided a link- which may come off as official. No red flags would have gone off.

Context of the conversation is pretty important. I mean that question legit btw. I am not arguing, genuinely asking.

[minor kelp]

This is not an official discord. The FAQ states it's against ToS. The warning is now in bold.

[pearl halo]

Thank you, all I was suggesting was people give a bit more context to the stuff we're linking. The bold should do it at that point. I'm aware it's not an official discord.

[wanton stag]

Hello! I sent a ticket for a suggestion and I would love to discuss it here.

I roleplayed a lot back in World of Warcraft (I don't endorse ERP, but I respect tho) and I am from Balmung. There are RPers from Mateus too. I know that this Discord is more guided to discussions about the aspects of the game per se, but a RP channel to unite RPers like myself and others to find a FC, make events, make friends and such would be very welcome.

Not a RP channel for text interpretation. A channel to discuss aspects about RP. I use sometimes #archived-lore-spoilers and I was'nt encouraged to discuss it there.

RP is a huge part of any MMO and I know that there are fans here of it too!

Denied! Thanks for your time tho.

Mod Response to Ticket ID 4569.
Hi, thank you for your suggestion. At this time it is unlikely that a Roleplaying channel will be created on this server, there are dedicated RP servers that would be much more suitable, however your suggestion has been noted and if anything changes you can be sure there'll be an announcement! Have a great day!
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Respond to the ticket with !modmail reply 4569 <message>

[zinc jay]

based mod team based mods

[plucky niche]

unrelated to previous but thanks y'all for- beat me to it

thanks y'all for brisk and logical response to recent mess with gshade

[gray nexus]

much much appreciated

[zinc jay]

To be a bit more long winded though, the new mod team has been doing a great job regulating the server in a fair and punctual way, and I feel pretty safe to be here.

Glad that y'all are protecting people against unethical developers

[cosmic drift]

We take our #resources very seriously since we're sharing them with a lot of people. If you notice a tool or community going wild, please let us know by ping or modmail and we'll investigate with the alacrity of an angel 👠

[plain arch]

[onyx shale]

Are you able to remove Horus from the hunt category too? The website died back in 5.55. The new version of the automated tracker is this: https://aetherhunt.beartoolkit.com/index

[cosmic drift]

Is Bear Tracker the name?

[onyx shale]

Yup!

[cosmic drift]

This is complete, thank you!

[smoky bridge]

I don't recall if there were any changes, but can we stream games in the VC channels?

[timid pilot]

We don't have VC channels.

[smoky bridge]

oh wow, didn't realize they're gone.

[celest pike]

Is it worth/possible to have the server (or kupo) set up such that new users are punted into #about-this-server and are required to have read/react to the Rule #4 post before they can select roles or post?
It should help with reducing the number of people who complain about mod actions and general miscreancy (aside from us usual suspects) when they FAAFO.

[rocky cloak]

pardon, whats the unknown channel?

[surreal shuttle]

We used to have a separate channel for current patch spoilers, now we have a thread. The channel description wasn’t updated

[tulip lava]

Fixed (:

[zinc jay]

Can we get https://ffxiv.pf-n.co/ocean-fishing added as an ocean fishing resource in #resources? It's an extremely useful website

[ornate pelican]

The server already forces you to agree to the rules before you can type.

[celest pike]

fair enough, it's been so long i'd completely forgotten about it

[ornate pelican]

It’s relatively new

[fallow glade]

Why cant i edit the recruitment post i create in the static thread? Would be nice to be able to do edits instead of removing the post and starting anew

[cosmic drift]

This is unfortunately a side effect of how Discord has programmed the functionality of forum channels. We've submitted feedback to the company and are waiting for any updates to share with everyone that uses our recruitment sections here and on the recruitment server.

[azure gate]

So I don't know whether to call it a suggestion or feedback, but maybe potentially a revision to how banned words are handled? I feel like slapping people with an hour of timeout might be a bit drastic, especially when there's a chance someone could trigger it accidentally. I think either a warning would work better and also informing the user what the banned word in a DM, perhaps? In any case an hour of mute without warning just feels a bit too strong.

[timid pilot]

You can use #discord-modmail if you think that you’ve been automatically muted by mistake.

[thorny lantern]

^

Most of the banned words are slurs or big no-no words.

Please do use modmail if you think you have been unfairly muted or timed out.

[snow cedar]

Can the serpent of ronka sticker with the pride stuff have the updated pride flag? Would be dope.

The new flag is cool as hell.

[median jolt]

It's a bit difficult to add the intersex circle in a way that makes it visible without completely redrawing the pattern on the bandana, but I made a quick attempt

yeah, I'll have to redraw the stripes to make them smaller so the circle can be visible

[azure gate]

oh suggestion! maybe make the white in the transflag a bit smaller so you can place the circle more to the right?

[snow cedar]

It looks great! Also yeah the white is a bit chunky could shave some chunk and move the logo out slightly that way

[nova flare]

Is their a public banned words list

[thorny lantern]

Not as of right now.

Most of them are slurs though.

[nova flare]

I think it would be a great idea to have a Google doc banned words list. It can be added to the rules section and would allow people to know more clearly what's allowed and what isn't.

[zinc jay]

there was one not long ago but it really didn’t stop people from triggering the filter. the majority of the words on there are pretty common sense no-no words like slurs.

[modest ruin]

Just use common sense and you won't trigger it

[hoary garden]

Iirc there was an issue with the place the list was hosted at, and the admins decided to take the opportunity to evaluate and potentially update it, and that process has not been completed yet.

I had thought there was an announcement regarding it, but a scan back through that channel didn't turn up anything, so I do not currently remember where that information came from.

[surreal shuttle]

I don’t know the specifics of this change because retired mod lol but the issue with the public list was that it was a bit tedious to update every time kupo’s filter was updated. So it was largely superfluous. The easier way to think about it is that if you’re going to say a word and that word is possibly derogatory, chances are Kupo will slap it. Just a rule of thumb

My blue friends feel free to correct me if I said something wrong. I am now allowed to be wrong :)

[silent flower]

If you have to question it’s usage, don’t use it. If you get booped for using it, take a moment and reevaluate.

[hoary garden]

Also, I feel like the issue of "an hour mute is drastic" is a bit dramatic. I have tripped the filter myself on a couple of occasions. One was by accident because a URL had, in its alphanumeric soup, a particular three-letter slur for our non-binary friends. I realised what had happened, sent in a modmail with a "hey I made an oops, it was an accident", and the mute was undone. Another time I said something that was intentionally derogatory but was also somewhat common vernacular in the Navy, and after being auto-muted I went, "....you know what, that's fair, I will come back in an hour".

Taking an hour break from a chat server isn't a super big deal, and it goes by a lot faster than you'd think.

[simple vine]

I've been automuted a couple times too for accidents and almost immediately got released from jail even without filing a modmail because people noticed. it's not too bad imo

[ornate pelican]

Everything is logged, mods check the logs often. Honest mistakes will be reversed, usually pretty quickly if it's NA prime time.

[merry ore]

can we get a faq about how its the gear's level, and not item level is what affects whether or not you can glam it on to something?

[hoary garden]

Recommend no because that's an easy question to answer.

[timid pilot]

^

If it can be answered in a single sentence it’s not really FAQ material.

[versed mauve]

perhaps it could be added as an addendum to !faq glamour since it's not mentioned there

[hoary garden]

It might be good. However, I would caution against using the !faq glamour as a knee-jerk response to someone asking about glamour troubleshooting, because even though it would be extraordinarily easy for us to just toss relevant FAQs at people every time they have a question covered by one, reducing all of our interactions with people asking questions sort of defeats the purpose of the "and help" portion of the channel itself.

Often the act of interactively explaining a concept to someone is more beneficial than simply throwing a stack of notecards at them and saying "go wild", and if one's entire goal in the Q&H channel is to minimise the amount of effort one puts into providing the H, then perhaps one should simply not spend time in that channel.

[minor kelp]

On a personal level I appreciate this attitude. Whilst I can generally go and search for the information I need, sometimes it's just comfier to have a conversation with another person who understands it.

[zinc jay]

I agree with alla. I think it's generally more beneficial to take the time to write out thoughtful answers and responses to questions as it drives people to actually read the entirety of a question.

Too often do I see people only read a portion of a question someone is asking and then immediately try to pull up an already existing kupo faq when it's not the right answer, and the entire effort to answer the question gets derailed.

if anything i'd rather have mods warn for people consistently misreading questions than adding more faqs that make it so people dont have to be knowledgable about what they're discussing.

[minor kelp]

As always, do please feel welcome to fire off a #discord-modmail if you feel somebody is consistently doing that.

[versed mauve]

that's not what I was advocating tho or related to what I said, I'm saying it could be added as an extra sentence to the FAQ since it's pretty crucial information for glamour, if someone's question is simply "why my glam no work" then it can easily be answered but the FAQs are there for new players who have 0 idea on the topic, and like I said that bit of info is rather important to know

[zinc jay]

It is a piece of information that you can tell someone yourself, rather than bringing up an entire lengthy command just for a single sentence of information.

[versed mauve]

that's not what I said either but I've stated my point

[timid pilot]

Could we get a revival of the fanfest channels to talk about meetups and such?

[hallow yacht]

Since the Gposers server was re-added, will it be added to the #resources section?

[ornate pelican]

#1082025516858609756

[jovial musk]

We should have a deep dungeon discussion channel in #1012400549007732786

[obtuse bear]

Yes, please add Deep Dungeons to the content forum

[ornate pelican]

#1083616576575639652 added

[wary kelp]

Change the slowmode in #questions-and-help. I understand that it's there to prevent active "conversations", but it can be a bit disruptive if you're trying to help someone and you send a message, and then realise you had something more to add but now you have to wait 25 seconds before you can say it. 10 seconds is more than enough in my opinion.

[carmine rivet]

You can always edit your current message

[zinc jay]

qnh was considerably worse before the slow mode. it forces people to write more thoughtful responses.

just edit your message or wait to type.

[half vigil]

We'll discuss lowering the slow mode duration, but the reason it was implemented was moreso to encourage the people providing assistance to take their time to understand the issue rather than popcorn answer with something that doesn't even necessarily provide the whole picture.

[wary kelp]

That makes sense. I appreciate you taking the time to discuss it at least.

[eager stone]

Seems the timing for the !housing command got affected by DST, and I assume along with other time based messages since it affected !daily too

[zinc jay]

More of a kupo question but does it track blog posts like Backstage Investigators?

If not could those blog posts be included in the #lodestone-news-na etc feeds?

[stone aurora]

At the moment, no, though it would be possible to add them as a generalized news feed if it was something that the admin team wanted, as they, unlike status posts are in a standard RSS form. In general though, as that's a relay channel, I suspect that'd be outside of what's wanted for news-based posts.

[jagged mirage]

can we add in some tags in #1039986530783072336 for some of the more popular prog content such as Ultimate and Savage?

[ornate pelican]

Done

[sturdy charm]

Can we have streamkeys and steamcdkey(s) as alias for !faq steamkey please

[half vigil]

Added steamkeys and steamcdkey(s)

[smoky bridge]

Do we directly msg mods or modmail if someone in the server (probable bot) is trying to contact us outside of the server?

[violet plinth]

i don't think we're ever supposed to msg mods directly, i'd be surprised if they had that on. modmail is probably better

[neat sparrow]

probally just modmail them with their userID and what they are doing. Should be all they need to figure it out

[untold sequoia]

Yeah use modmail

[plucky niche]

Is it entirely intended that an auto timed-out user isn't able to access #discord-modmail?

(to clarify i know that timeout is a base Discord feature but it seems a little unintentional)

[untold sequoia]

Its known, unfortunately there isn't any way to get around it atm

[zinc jay]

Could the mods maybe consider either blocking the glam command from #beginner-lounge or putting it on some sort of cooldown? It gets spammed in there a lot and it fills up the chat, making it difficult to answer legitimate questions. I feel like banning it altogether would push people to use #glamour-discussion more.

The me command was disabled in those channels for that reason so I think the glam one should be as well since it has the same effect/problem, of people using to humblebrag to sprouts and it drives other people to do the same which just fills the channel up more and more.

Like, just a bit ago it was used four times in about 3 minutes

[minor kelp]

18 times in the last 24 hours, you might have a point here

[zinc jay]

yeah its a bit much

i really just dont see the point of it being allowed whereas !me isnt

Just seems like people use it to show off their eureka armor or ultimate weapons

Just feels like its not constructive to use in a space meant for new players and by extension of people flexing their accomplishments drives vets there to show off what they have.

[kind inlet]

like I've seen this floated as a joke but I also think it might be a way to do community-aided moderation?

[minor kelp]

This just sounds like bullying

[gray nexus]

That I totally would agree with

[hoary garden]

"Community-aided moderation" sounds like a really corporate-rephrased version of "mob rule".

[turbid kayak]

I don't think this would work on scale, or any places that you want to be in.

[autumn parrot]

The easiest way to aid us in moderating is to send in modmails. We don't need to put people up on a platform to be judged like that.

[versed mauve]

i get the idea behind it but ironically the execution of that sounds like those medieval public executions where people pull up and watch someone get stones thrown at and it was more for entertainment than anything

[kind inlet]

All fair points

[ornate pelican]

No plans, no. Our mod team does a great job at keeping up with modmai already.

[worldly knoll]

Wonder if we could make an !faq for the legality of plugins and mods. See that asked about a lot in #beginner-lounge, unless there is one already and I don't know it.

[hallow yacht]

IIRC the !faq for xivlauncher has something about it, and the !faq for act also has it

[gray nexus]

Yeah they mentioned that
It's also something you can like- answer easily in a few or even one Sentence without a faq imo

[zinc jay]

Yeah you dont need an faq for that, its pretty easy to tell someone the legality of plugins.

[safe mural]

I suspect that even if we did hve an faq for it, everyone would throw in their two cents on the matter every time it came up anyway

[craggy girder]

I'm following the liveletter channel but saw nary a single message from it in my server. The message before it, which did come through, spoke of limitations by discord - what does that entail?

[dense geyser]

Discord publish limit is 10 messages per hour, making it impossible to push the PLL content to other servers

[violet plinth]

the pushed message explicitly says to join this server to follow the translations live
actually, on the note of the LL stuff, would it be possible to pin the start of today's notes?

[minor kelp]

Pinned it, although I actually pinned yesterday's message with the links in it, made more sense to me

[unique coral]

Awful feature

[gray nexus]

what do u mean do u mean the bot

[unique coral]

Yes

[gray nexus]

thats just for april fools it will be gone by tomorrow

[deft sorrel]

I assure you that all of the complaints about the uwu bot will be given the consideration they deserve.

https://tenor.com/view/resume-shred-gif-13992096

[rocky cloak]

tiny nitpick, while the role selection provides a combined role for doh/dol, the role name itself is only doh; would it be suitable to suggest it be changed to doh/dol as well? i momentarily had some confusion when i saw my roles and spotted that i only had the doh role, only to then remember from the roles section that theyre combined

[cosmic drift]

This is done, thanks for your feedback

[zinc jay]

!maint is not working correctly, saying there is no maintenance

[ancient gale]

Error!

There is currently no Maintenance, Kupo!

[zinc jay]

case in point, lol

[stone aurora]

This has been corrected, thanks for letting us know

[hushed flax]

Its a little late, but a huge thank you to the translator mods, one dsay I hope to equal your command of Japanese....if I can ever work out how the hell to read Kanji

[cosmic drift]

praise the <@&151564672154206208>, they're a vital part of our community at large.

[remote hamlet]

??

[cosmic drift]

(see above)

[remote hamlet]

What did we do?

[untold sequoia]

Translate

[gray nexus]

always give us great translations during LL we all appreciate your hard work

[untold sequoia]

They just wanted to show their appreciation for the hard work you all put in

[cosmic drift]

Coverage of the PLL from last week

[remote hamlet]

Ahh, okay. You're welcomed. Glad that helps if any.

[azure gate]

This is a feedback channel for the Discord server, you want to go to #questions-and-help

[sudden heart]

thx

[pearl halo]

Maybe some vcs?

[icy sentinel]

nah, can’t moderate em worth a damn

[zinc jay]

#announcements message

[pearl halo]

Ah okay

[hybrid crown]

Don't know if this was brought up before ever, but I think it would be cool to have a mentor-style role but without any kind of moderator permissions. Like, mentor as it is currently serves as a game mentor for questions, yes, but they also can kick/ban/mute people, and that's a lot of power to entrust to people who just want to help others with game questions. So, I propose a discord role, that maybe after answering 1000 #questions-and-help correctly (or maybe, so there wouldn't be some kind of competition, just have them hand-picked by the current orange mentors or discord administration), people can get a role that gives NO extra permissions, it just indicates that they're an experienced player who can generally be relied upon to give accurate information.

[half vigil]

Current mentor cannot ban/kick people. We're exploring options already though, thanks for the suggestion.

[hybrid crown]

Oh, sorry, just muting then on current mentor, thanks for the correction. And no problem/of course ^_^

[untold sequoia]

So, I propose a discord role, that maybe after answering 1000 questions-and-help correctly

That would just encourage people to answer lots of questions even if it's being handled by other people, swamping the channel

[hybrid crown]

(or maybe, so there wouldn't be some kind of competition, just have them hand-picked by the current orange mentors or discord administration) ---- This was why I added this clarification. I wasn't sure if it would incentivize that kind of behavior or not, but it sounds like it's the view that it would.

[half vigil]

Popcorning and using qnh as a quiz show like game has been a problem of the channel for quite some time, and your suggestion might further incentivize that sort of behaviour, where quantity was the goal, not quality.

[untold sequoia]

Idk, this sounds more like a glorified vanity role that would lead to people helping purely for the goal of getting the role instead of just wanting to help

We already have the Mentor role, I personally don't see any value we'd get from adding another lesser Mentor role

[half vigil]

Not to mention that while we would love more mentors and helpful members this sort of role is definitely on the end of vanity, not to say that it isn't something worth considering. Just that there's a lot to think about

[hybrid crown]

An entirely understandable consideration, and of course, entirely up to the staff at the end of the day. Thanks for the feedback on the idea already, though, it helps me understand as well.

[zinc jay]

Agreed with what was said already - you dont really need what would effectively be a vanity role to properly answer questions and build a reputation of being knowledgeable.

[violet plinth]

more of a kupo question, would it be worth temporarily removing the map image in the !quest embed? it refusing to put the marker on the right spot can be really confusing at first glance

[cosmic drift]

@timid pilot @half vigil see above

[untold sequoia]

Thats probably a better question for @stone aurora

[stone aurora]

IIRC it was only broken on some, if it's all, I'll have to take a dive and see what's happening with that. There's been some upstream API changes, so that might be what's kicking out the error, if you can, tag me with a couple bad-ones in the kupo spam channel and I'll put it on the list of things to look at when I get a minute.

[violet plinth]

nearly every time i've seen kupo's quests pull a map it's been wrong. i'll grab a few when i get done with this duty

[violet plinth]

tossed the first three i've found from recent kupo pulls into #kupo-bot-spam

[weary ingot]

hey guys, just wondering as im trying to use the new forum style recruitment, is it possible to use more than 1 filter at a time? for example if i click NA filter and then click LFM filter, it seems to ignore the NA filter and start showing EU stuff. is this normal behavior?

[minor kelp]

It appears to work on the basis that it will show you any post that includes any filter you have selected

[hallow yacht]

So it seems to work on a: "include all posts with this tag" instead of "exclude all posts without these tags"

[zinc jay]

Yeah, it's annoying but its how discord seems to have made it.

[weary ingot]

ahh i see, weird choice by discord tbh.. thanks!

[sharp bay]

@dim raven

[untold sequoia]

You uhhh, wanna explain the random ping or...?

[hallow yacht]

Can pings be disabled in this channel? If possible, I suggest doing so.

[zinc jay]

What's the stance on AI generated art here? I've been seeing it posted more and more frequently and wanted to ask about that.

[azure gate]

What's most often posted here isn't AI art. Not like anything produced by AI is art, but the one people use here is more akin to snapchat filters, it scans in an image and tries to replicate it with an anime visuals. And frankly most people just do it out of fun, nobody here does it to make money, not even mention it is quite obvious it's AI generated image.

[grave orchid]

Even if it's a filter, it's still produced through stolen artwork though, and it just feels really bad to see even though its just for fun
Usage of these filters can't be controlled but it's just sad to see that artists' work who got butchered for an anime version of someone's wol
Personally, I think people can do whatever they want but I just don't want to see it here tbh

[safe mural]

We don't currently have any rules against sharing AI art as long as it doesn't break any other rules (NSFW, controversial subject matter, advertising etc).

But we're open to feedback on the subject

[cosmic drift]

Late response, pings can only be silenced on the user's end through muting notifications in specific channels or serverwide - we can't turn mentions off on our end for specific channels that aren't here or everyone

[zinc jay]

kupo quest command is broken again https://i.imgur.com/seGUtTe.png

[high lance]

Can't access! maybe do I need a role for this?

[untold sequoia]

Can't see #1063625288610762842?

[high lance]

Yeah I cant sadly

[untold sequoia]

What channels can you see?

[high lance]

it's just mostly these. Maybe it'll fix tself eventually

[hallow yacht]

I have access on it, discord mobile
Android, also not underage

[zinc jay]

might be an issue of lacking a region role. i bet region roles can see it but not dc-specific roles

[untold sequoia]

Oh thats probably it

[violet plinth]

:0 i don't see the announcement. searching messages from Dandy lets me see it in the search bar but nothin in #announcements
i had an unread message there but nothing when i actually checked it

[untold sequoia]

Try checking Channels and Roles at the top

[high lance]

I did it now! I changed my roles*

[zinc jay]

yeah, me and azu have region roles and lyn does not, so that's it

[rare arrow]

||fh||

[gritty iris]

Can you add to welcome posts in recruitment section information about time stamps? In my opinion, <t:1682625600:F> much easier to understand in your time zone than "we play at 23:00 but also 12AM and day Thursday".

[plush patio]

In the #about-this-server channel, can the last section on discord roles be updated to link to "channels and roles"? Perhaps with a photo showing where to access it. It currently links to a dead channel that's locked.

[granite flint]

Hey sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but how do I change my roles? I can't seem to have access to a role channel or anything

[untold sequoia]

Up here

[granite flint]

Oooh that's fancy. Thank you!

[cosmic drift]

This is done, thanks for the feedback

[cosmic drift]

If you would like to share a quick how-to we can put in pinned posts in the recruitment sections, we'd be more than happy to share them for users to add timestamps to their recruitment posts if they wish - but I don't think adding timestamps will be a requirement for people to recruit

[plush patio]

Thank you for looking at this. Unfortunately it still appears like this on both PC and mobile for me, with fully updated apps.

[minor kelp]

Ya I still see the out of date bit too

[plush patio]

Ah I see it now. Was thinking it'd still be in the last kupo bot post but now I see it's one more up now. Thank you!

[gritty iris]

I don't know how to make it quick actually. I thought you may know since you spend here a lot of time being admin. I don't use discord as main messenger. And I rarely use time stamp feature. But it really helps skipping puzzle over time zones. I personally use https://hammertime.cyou/. From their description I see they have discord bot for that. You could try I guess.

but I don't think adding timestamps will be a requirement for people to recruit
But it is requirement. You will not play with people who have play time when you have morning at your place, right? Happened to me recently even when I specified the time tho.

[zinc jay]

These discord timestamps would reduce confusion a Lot as they just automatically adjust

[versed mauve]

could post the link with a quick how-to of like "to use time stamps, enter the date and time into the website and then copy and paste the desired time stamp into your recruitment post", in a pinned post

[merry ore]

Can !pyrosmap be added to the commands? Since there’s one for Pagos and Anemos already; Hydatos too if that’s not there

[half vigil]

They both already exist. The faqs for those were under eurekapyros and eurekahydatos respectively. I've however added the aliases for you though for pyrosmap and hydatosmap

[merry ore]

Thank you

[nocturne geyser]

Hi! For liveletters, could we get the time of the liveletter in the timestamp command thingy? (https://hammertime.cyou)

[zinc jay]

kupo has not detected the maint happening tonight yet

[azure gate]

Wait there's a maint tonight?

[plush patio]

Midnight Pacific time, about a little less than 15 hours from now

[stone aurora]

Looks like a NA only? IIRC he only picks up global maints.

[gray nexus]

Yeah it’s only NA this time

[median rune]

is this the channel for asking about kupo bot set up on my own server?

[hoary garden]

Kupo Bot actually has its own support server! Here's a link to it. =) https://discord.gg/4dpPFcWURA

[median rune]

awesome thanks

[compact river]

roles in the static recruitment dont work. I check "EU", "melees", but discord shows me NA, TANKS and so on

[timid pilot]

The filter shows posts with any of the tags you have picked. This means posts that only have one tag of the several you have chosen can appear even though the other tags aren’t present. This is a discord-specific issue that can’t be fixed.

[ancient linden]

is it possible to limit the reactions in the translation channel? it can be a bit stressful to follow with constant clutter

[autumn parrot]

they'll be turned off when it starts proper

[gritty iris]

I believe https://discord.com/channels/100463940835762176/1039986530783072336 needs some template for posts. People sometimes don't mention what content they are going to do and time zone they play in (or use discord timestamp which I suggested here already for another chat). You have to DM them to clarify it (besides fact you have to DM them anyway). Would make everyone's life easier.