Oops I said ravana but I meant susano
#endgame-lounge
onyx nimbus
steady pebble
susano is highly unlikely to be summoned again
onyx nimbus
Susano and Lakshmi are the last two I can see being non minstrel and making sense
Lies
steady pebble
its not though?
onyx nimbus
I'm gonna summon him for the next beach party
steady pebble
either way, kojin probably won't summon him again because the far east pretty much doesn't have a history of it
and the red kojin are probably going to be left alone
wheat marsh
so with all the UWU parties i see, does that mean some big streamers are going through it now?
steady pebble
lakshmi is unlikely as well, due to the qalyana being dealt with
sinful brook
so with all the UWU parties i see, does that mean some big streamers are going t...
No there's 0 correlation to that
It's just lots of people have nothing to do during patch lull
onyx nimbus
Who is resummoning the triad
steady pebble
nobody
steady pebble
azys lla is essentially in auto pilot mode
and wasn't designed to do something like that.
onyx nimbus
How we get their ex then, I don't remember unulkhai quest dialogue
steady pebble
its basically a training sim
steady pebble
a very deadly training sim
with you being cloned if you succeeded
but ofc that doesn't happen because as i said, auto pilot mode
viscid talon
see that happen at one point because you just need more WoL
grand mesa
had this gem happen today
timber plaza
One message removed from a suspended account.
finite plank
there's bloodrake in p2?
subtle marsh
When lore spoilers leaks into end game.
bleak yoke
uwu is easy
robust shoal
u rite
subtle marsh
Pog Cats is Pog.
potent laurel
ye
frank quiver
How do you get a 101..?
glad nacelle
Ye pretty easy
robust shoal
sinful brook
potent laurel
subtle marsh
fleet ridge
Hello , can someone help me ? I'm looking to collect the material to get the demon wings.
bleak yoke
skill issue
frank swallow
naive shale
Love how the last orange is p3s
bleak yoke
it's a big mood tbh
finite plank
just crit harder
timber stratus
epic gamer
proven linden
stable basin
What’s the best materia to use for reaper?
verbal oak
What’s the best materia to use for reaper?
frank quiver
Probably BLM? Low APM, simple to execute. Its non-traditional rotations can be finicky, but even then, you won’t be pressing much.
sinful brook
And you can play any job just fine on controller
Just need to make sure your cross hotbars are organized well
minor onyx
which classes should i use for Asphodelos head gear cause i only see they're all recommended use augmented radiant head
fervent bane
quite a few do I think, off the top of my head smn, rdm and crit blm all use aspho head
checking bis lists in the balance discord should help with that
frank perch
Decided to start with the incorrect quote generator thing
worn pecan
What's the mount drop rate for p4?
verbal oak
What's the mount drop rate for p4?
100% from savage
worn pecan
oooh nice then everyone can get it
grand mesa
Yes
Well
Only one person gets the drop
But you don't need hundreds of runs to get yours
worn pecan
Yeah I know, statics can rerun until everyone gets it
grand mesa
Ye
grand mesa
Yeah I know, statics can rerun until everyone gets it
If the tier is unlocked like it is right now, anyway
grand mesa
It is when people die to 4planet everytime it comes up
worn pecan
you mean blue + fire? xD
grand mesa
Or don't learn to count for stack/spread rewind
worn pecan
yeah but tbh extreme are much easier than savage stuff
grand mesa
Depends
First two savage fights aren't hard at all
There's a bunch of ex fights that were more difficult on content
Specially if we're talking about p1s
89ex is harder than p1s
stable basin
I miss Titan and Leviathan extremes being unrevivable
grand mesa
Just don't revive people :)
stable basin
If you were knocked off
grand mesa
Just don't accept rezzes
worn pecan
89ex is harder than p1s
which one was 89ex?
Man, Leviathan ex was a banger back in ARR
stable basin
True, but it's the spirit of the matter xD
worn pecan
the song hits hard too
grand mesa
I meant 90ex/endsinger, mb
worn pecan
Yeah I guess that is true
grand mesa
P1s isn't hard at all
worn pecan
Tanks defo has much more work put on them this savage series
grand mesa
The hardest part of p1s is not getting angry at your melee dps when they somehow fuck up intemperance for the third time in a row
worn pecan
haha how can they even mess that up lol
I can understand with D4 with the swaps in between
but sometimes right after wrath they run out immediately towards their pos
and don't get healed enuf in time for the 3rd crystal pop
grand mesa
Healers have enough time to dip into middle to heal everyone up
I've just seen people incapable of being on their final tile
And that's what kills everybody
worn pecan
yeah the damage down is kinda cringe for me xD
torn mesa
The hardest part of p1s is not getting angry at your melee dps when they somehow...
the hardest part is not getting that person who runs around like a headless chicken during fourfold
torn mesa
you know it's bad when some people have pre-emptively prepared edited SS
to validate themselves/gaslight others upon a fourfold wipe
fervent bane
surely that's not an actual thing wtf
torn mesa
it is
I saw post of it that went like this:
A: I had purple 13
B: I did links picture
picture is taken from another pull --> you can tell cause it's cropped heavily
fervent bane
well that person is completely insane
torn mesa
it's more like instead of spending time to make that picture
they could've already learned how fucking easy of a mechanic fourfold is, and just do it
fervent bane
that, as well as just being a sane person and owning up to your mstakes
instead of... that
frank swallow
tbh i have more pleasant feeling in savage compare to Ultimate
Summoner should be the easiest
steady pebble
smn is pretty easy these days, with dnc pretty close second imo
drowsy agate
it's summoner
no job is easier than summoner
black mage has some significant optimization you can do that gets pretty complicated
steady pebble
rdm and blm, while like the core mechanics are simple, there's more to them about their optimization that makes them a bit more complex than smn
drowsy agate
RDM is a little more complicated than previous iterations (but only slightly) and would fall around the average
torn mesa
also this heavily depends on what you're asking in terms of: skill floor or skill ceiling
but SMN would be probably lowest for both
drowsy agate
yea like do you want to be top 5% parser or just "good enough to clear"
torn mesa
I think RDM floor is low, ceiling is mid
drowsy agate
if it's for new players then you shouldn't be worried about skill ceiling at all
torn mesa
my opinion on the easiest job in each of the 5 roles: WAR, SMN, DNC, RPR, WHM/SGE
drowsy agate
no new player is gonna want to read all 40 something pages of the BLM sweaty optimizations doc
to learn about abnormal fire lines
verbal oak
Weskabler has the casuals covered and balance has the nitty gritty stuff
drowsy agate
my opinion on the easiest job in each of the 5 roles: WAR, SMN, DNC, RPR, WHM/SG...
I would agree with this list 100%
those jobs are exactly what I'd pick as "easiest" in each role
verbal oak
Eh I’d say mch is easier than dnc but hey it’s subjective
torn mesa
I'd pick those for both floor and ceiling
drowsy agate
MCH does also have the nuance of being ping reliant
torn mesa
maybe MCH over DNC for ceiling
yeah as another "bonus", all of those jobs I listed with the exception of RPR are very ping friendly
drowsy agate
RDM was considered to be very easy in shadowbringers
you need to look at the time stamp of the posts
verbal oak
Fair I also started as an RDM but didn’t like it
drowsy agate
in ShB prior to the SMN rework I would have absolutely agreed RDM and DNC were the two easiest DPS
verbal oak
I could run around all over the place with mch and that’s when I loved it
steady pebble
have to keep in mind, EW reworked a few jobs so posts like that you need to look at when it was posted
verbal oak
Wasn’t WAR in 4.1 the hardest tank?
steady pebble
and while having a "this job is easy" guide is nice for new players, it basically has to be adjusted every expac in some way
drowsy agate
yes, summoner is an entirely different job and some people would have considered it to be one of the harder DPS prior to the rework
steady pebble
smn in ew vs shb are two pretty different jobs
we have no idea how 7.0 is going to change jobs
so it could be that something knocks dnc or war off the stage as easy jobs
verbal oak
Where’s my tri disaster
drowsy agate
you still have it
it's your AoE spammer now isn't it? I don't recall summoner skill names anymore, I just press the buttons
!skill tri-disaster
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steady pebble
verbal oak
I’m an FFXIV player you think I read?
frank swallow
💀
steep kayak
SMN seems ripe for growth moving forward
a good base from which to grow its current structure in future expansions.
Add one major Primal and trios of minor primals to the cycle with their related abilities each expansion along with separate themed regular spells, matching the expansion cycle with each new X.0 patch
Give Pheonix its own post ARR trio, Shiva, Ramuh and Leviathan.
HW major primal - Alexander. They can get the entire warring triad or Ravana, Bismarck and Thordan (thordan and bismarck seem unlikely as summons. Perhaps as new spells?)
SB will ofcourse have Shinryu as the Major Primal. Minor being Susano, Tsukuyomi and Lakshmi.
For the ShB cycle we can have a self imbuement related to Warrior of LIght which returns the cycle back to the start but with boosted versions of those primals (in Eden skins) and (either immediately or in the next expansion) the imbuement can turn Bahamut and Pheonix into Zodiark and Hydaelyn.
vernal breach
Thats very optimistic
steep kayak
It will be something along those lines, but unlikely to be so extensive. They'll probably attach a 2ndary system of some sort related to the rest
Something in the spirit of Samurai building 3 stacks for example.
robust shoal
MCH was ripe for growth in EW and all it got was drill 2 
steep kayak
It already had plenty. Heavy weapons. A mech. Now buzzsaws and a doomslayer style shotgun.
robust shoal
ok but where is the other half of its kit
quick verge
pvp
worn pecan
I thought SMN was fun since the rework
but it became boring too quickly
braindead rotation
Visuals are great tho
molten moon
Braindead rotation = being able to focus on mechanics more 
plus is the friendliest dps job for high ping people
molten moon
Nah, even titan phase is okay
Just don't weave anything else during it
not like smn has much to weave
worn pecan
titan weaves every gcd
worn pecan
nah that's still horrible as the gcd is low for titan/garuda
worn pecan
you try clicking your claps in between
molten moon
Garuda is the low GCD portion
worn pecan
isn't it about 2s?
molten moon
I swear it's same ish
molten moon
That's the normal GCD
worn pecan
normal is 2.5
molten moon
Ifrit has a longer than usual cast/recast time
worn pecan
I think they should really make SMN have pets fight for them
molten moon
worn pecan
like actual big pets not the small ants
worn pecan
yeah for some reason titan and wind always felt faster
molten moon
Only wind is actually faster
vernal breach
like.....
summoner?
lol
machinist mayhaps
i guess blackmage too
i could probably name alot now that i think bout it, what jobs actually DO have an opener with 16 different icons
many jobs have openers that may be 16 or so buttons long, but there would be repeat buttons
things like blm and mch tho probably has the least unique buttons
monk i think has... 10 unique buttons in their opener, but it is more or less 19 buttons long
molten moon
Rdm has a lot of procs tho
Like the back half is mostly procs
Which share buttons with the base skills
robust shoal
drk is... a lot
like 14 I think?
drg probably has a lot of different buttons because it has more different gcds
drk only has 4
molten moon
Ninja has a lot of buttons too 
vernal breach
yeah but theres alot of repeats :u
assuming you consider mudras to all be repeats or not
molten moon
Still a lot of different ogcds iirc
Depends on how big the bar is? 
Not ideal, but when levelling ninja on controller, I had to ignore true North completely because there was no place to fit it intuitively lmao
verbal oak
That do be stormblood PLD
sinful herald
Anyone willing to give me a crash course on what I should be mining towards lvl 80+ miner to make Gil profit? I've been leveling my miner to make money but I have no clue what to actually mine for profit lol
subtle marsh
Uhm... My best guess would be diadem mats. But outside of that I'm not sure.
onyx nimbus
That will depend entirely on your server
sinful herald
That will depend entirely on your server
Diabolos on Crystal, do different things sell for different prices on different server?
verbal oak
Diabolos on Crystal, do different things sell for different prices on different ...
yep
ive seen some items go for 10x the amount from one crystal server to another
sinful herald
ive seen some items go for 10x the amount from one crystal server to another
thats nuts, is there a way to quickly check whats selling on different servers?
verbal oak
yes with a catch
the public marketboard plugin allows you to check BUT the info it gets is only updated like once every few hours
onyx nimbus
Generally you can look at what it's used to make
If its popular glam pieces, or relevant endgame gear, or collectibles then those have some staying power
verbal oak
or its just that one fucking lvl 40 item no one wants to collect for job shit
onyx nimbus
Not anymore
The market for dol job quest items is fucking cratered by the removal of hq gathering items
molten moon
Even fishing?
onyx nimbus
When you needed 20 hq jade? Your lv80 gatherer can collect like 300 in 4 minutes
Now it's nq jade and a retainer can get 50 in 40min with zero effort
Idk fishing
I never fished
subtle marsh
I am kind of mad they got rid of hq base mats.
Cuz now making secondary mats hq is a pain in the ass.
undone tide
steep kayak
I thought SMN was fun since the rework
thats mainly because it seems to be designed with the intend to create a foundation (which is still functional currently) from which to build more complex mechanics ontop of down the line. The previous structure hit a dead end in that manner. Ontop of the whole job lore flavor thing.
I think thats part of why they're planning the same for the AST and DRG
steep kayak
ok but where is the other half of its kit
This is not meant to be comprehensive, just pondering on the seeming direction SMN is taking based on its current setup and past examples of class mechanics gaining tiers of complexity with each expansion. We cant really speculate on the rest of its kit as that will only come through extensive actual testing by devs.
it will be interesting to see what spells future primals might give us. Like giving us out dots back D:
worn pecan
thats mainly because it seems to be designed with the intend to create a foundat...
Perfectly understandable
I really hope they make it more interesting next expac
quick verge
can the zoomers in your group pay attention to hp
undone tide
can the zoomers in your group pay attention to hp
no, apparently
we had r2 nin r1 blm and r3 sam
it's nbd
stacked group
solar wraith
What even is the advantage of N/S rot over S/S rot
Because I can't see why anyone would use N/S over S/S
austere ocean
Earlier weeks people do it to prevent a wrong role accidentally stand too close to the stack
Since people are unlikely to stand north in front of the boss, it’s usually support stack North dps who needs rot comes north grab it
solar wraith
S/S is just cleaner though
fervent bane
asphodelos gear is from the savage raids
vernal breach
i think N/S rot is cleaner
but worse for melee dps
.... wait thats a 5 hour old message
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mild elbow
asphodelos gear is from the savage raids
but what quest unlocks the raid?
do i need to finish EW to get it?
fervent bane
yes
mild elbow
darn i was hoping i could do it half way through EW
fervent bane
gotta all be finished first, then there's a sidequest to do which unlocks normal mode asphodelos
once that's all done you can unlock savage
mild elbow
finish post msq as well or just the regular ew msq
fervent bane
just 6.0 msq
mild elbow
okie thx
i'll enjoy the story for now then
is classical from MB okay to use until then?
fervent bane
yeh definitely
mild elbow
gotcha thx for the help
fervent bane
580 IL gear is more than enough for msq
molten dew
since after 6.18 all savage is unlocked, i wonder if is it fine to skip p3s and go for p4s instead? bc i dont need head & leg parts
verbal oak
since after 6.18 all savage is unlocked, i wonder if is it fine to skip p3s and ...
i mean p4s is eaiser so yeah
molten dew
so as long as i got the people, its ok
suffered too much in p3s its stressful for me as casual
molten dew
i mean p4s is eaiser so yeah
yea my friend also told me this
round hazel
@grand mesa scale of 1-10 how fucked is TEA
I'm wrapping up UWU rn and thinking about just going for TEA lol
drowsy agate
if uwu is a 5/10 then tea is maybe an 8/10
it's harder than uwu but it's not super hard, if you can do uwu then you can do tea
round hazel
Where's ucob on that scale?
drowsy agate
idk like 7/10
drowsy agate
some people consider ucob and tea the same difficulty, I personally think tea is harder slightly
verbal oak
iirc, TEA has harder mechs, whereas ucob has more rng and is a longer overall fight
drowsy agate
tbh jagd dolls is a harder mech than anything in uwu
and it's like the first mech in tea
nael phase in ucob is also harder than anything in uwu
and that's phase 2, after twin which is the easy phase
verbal oak
yeah i fuckin hated ucob but looking back at it thats more my fault than anything else
every wake up and raid 10mins later?
love night shift
quick verge
jagd dolls happens like 40 seconds into a pull
should be very knowledgeable about your dmg limits early on
rest of p1 and p2 aren't very notable if you aren't a healer
and fight just falls off a cliff after gavel
with wormhole being notable, difficulty scaling on your strat and your ability to break it down
fervent bane
i haven't stepped foot into tea yet, but surely if wormhole is resolved the same way as in that wormhole sim it shouldn't be a mechanic that people get stuck on
drowsy agate
sim makes it easier but wormhole happens like 9 minutes or something into the pull
and as with any ultimate, consistently getting there just to prog it once is what takes time
but yea being able to skip the 9 mins effort and just practice wormhole only helps a lot
and yea what biscuit said is also true, hardest parts of tea are over by the end of phase 2 (which is when gavel happens)
fervent bane
from what i've seen the most daunting part is the 2nd phase honestly
drowsy agate
the whole nisis + other mechs during phase 2 is imo the hardest part of tea
very frontloaded mechs
fervent bane
thankfully that's near the start lol
drowsy agate
the first 6 mins of the fight are the hardest
drowsy agate
i'm also a masochist and progged it as BLM
sinful brook
Dyingtostillness.jpg is hardest 
drowsy agate
foul is instant cast at 80 now
which makes opti during 2 targets a bit easier
so LL and BJCC should absolutely be easier now
than it was in ShB
dull radish
having the second charge of triple should also make things quite a bit extra cozier, too
grand mesa
<@169372319934840832> scale of 1-10 how fucked is TEA
Tea isn't super hard, but is hard to prog
It isn't mechanically intensive unless ur healing imo
But mistakes from one person will easily wipe you
round hazel
I'll be playing DNC so I'll be mostly focusing on mechanics because I press two buttons
grand mesa
Phys range have it a bit busier in terms of stuff to do during BJCC
But it's not too bad once you get the hang of it
grand mesa
p2 with good strat is so much easier than what most groups did early on
Did most groups do stacked
wide current
is this the usally used macro for p1s? https://ffxivmacro.com/Macros/Details/303/p1s
or if anyone can send one thats good
minor onyx
Yeah it is