endgame-lounge

[bleak yoke]

actually true

just heal

[onyx nimbus]

Coherence 2, I think

[steep summit]

Ok I’m curious, did they live

[sinful brook]

Ofc not

Maybe if they have turbo shields

But like it's unlikely given the described scenario

[bleak yoke]

tbf they did say that the sam died instead of themself

[torn mesa]

pretty sure you can't even utilize third eye that way

because anytime you have doubled impact

there is a raidwide soon after/immediately before

[bleak yoke]

bene

[torn mesa]

@drowsy agate
this is weapon i605 vs i600

this is chest i600 vs i580, so it looks like you were right. it might've changed with the current version of gear planner, since I plugged this in at the start of 6.05

but you can still see the difference is absolutely tiny

[drowsy agate]

well yea but the point is to show ilvl is king

20 ilvls is bigger than 5 ilvls even if it's 5 ilvls on the weapon

[torn mesa]

10 ilvls on chest is straight up worse

than 5 on weapon though

[undone tide]

if ilvl is king then why is tank crafted ring bis?

[torn mesa]

see how I use a pentamelded 580 there? if I compare 590 vs 600 chest to the weapon, weapon wins

[drowsy agate]

out of context but ofc there are exceptions

[torn mesa]

tank/healer have exceptions because some of their substats for rings

are dogshit

either way weapon ilevel > rest ilevel > substats

[undone tide]

please delete tenacity

i never want to see that shit

[torn mesa]

at least piety

you can make a weak case to justify its existence

[undone tide]

Piety is good

If you aren't optimizing you should be running piety

not a shit ton but it's great in moderation

[torn mesa]

the amount you need compared to how you would get if you just followed ilevel

[drowsy agate]

yea ofc when you move the goalposts to benefit the weaker party it can bring it up

[torn mesa]

is straight up way less though

[drowsy agate]

but 20 ilvls is a pretty significant increase

10 isn't as big

[torn mesa]

I'm not moving the goalpost, I straight up said you were right comparing 20 chest vs 5 weapon

[drowsy agate]

yea but then why mention 10

[torn mesa]

the only part I was claiming was that ilevel isn't king; specifically the fact that ilevel on weapon vs chest

isn't equal

[drowsy agate]

well the base argument is flawed to begin with since it's 2 separate pieces of gear

if we're to compare weapon and chest

[torn mesa]

the basis for this conversation was: I made the claim about i600 --> i605 weapon being a more significant upgrade than 20 in chest. I double-checked and realized that was wrong. then I responded to your point about ilevel is king, where I am only saying that it has a slight caveat.

[drowsy agate]

when it's same piece, "ilvl is king" is the usual rule (with exceptions)

when it's different pieces, "ilvl is king" is still the usual rule (with more exceptions)

but yea anyway playing with the calculator is fun

i did that for like a week at the start of the tier

[torn mesa]

as a slight aside, I think if you tweaked the melds around in 600 weapon vs 580 chest

in the SS I sent

you can probably shift it to favor either side

[drowsy agate]

the creator acknowledged that it wasn't designed for casters anyway, BLM balance mentioned it's kind of an afterthought that BLM is even an option in that calc to begin with

[torn mesa]

so maybe a better wording would've been 20 chest VS 5 weapon is comparable

really I just wanted to stress in the original channel how weapon is so far and away the most important gear slot

and I compared against the 2nd most important gear slot to showcase how it's not particularly close

[finite plank]

i remember running 2k+ piety

in shb

[drowsy agate]

and just to show I did the math too

12.19 DPS difference favoring the 600/600 between 605 weapon/580 pmeld chest vs 600 weapon/600 chest

[dull radish]

jaha's gear planner? It's the same exact model we use for the relative gear comparison sheet, no difference. The addition of the job to the planner being an "afterthought" is moreso that it's just out of scope of the original planner which was primarily just for SAM, then extended to other melee, then eventually BLM/RDM as well

[drowsy agate]

yea that's pretty much what I was told in the BLM channels (probably also by you) when I was playing with it during week 1 of tier drop

[severe kettle]

So, I’m lvl 90 and upgrading gear from 580 means this long grind for radiant gear

Yeah?

[fervent bane]

well, you can get quick 590 gear by using augmented classical

[severe kettle]

Oh that’s what I’m wearing rn

590 to 600

[fervent bane]

but yeh after that its a grind to 600 from savage gear / augmented radiant

[severe kettle]

Is still having to get radiant then upgrading it then?

Oh joy. I’ve still yet to do any savage raids 😂

How big of a jump is the difficulty from normal to savage

[fervent bane]

have you done the extreme trials for endwalker?

[severe kettle]

Nah i havent

[fervent bane]

probably worth trying those first to dip your feet into high end content

but the first 2 savage raids of this tier aren't really that bad, but it takes some getting used to

[molten moon]

Normal > unreal/extreme > savage

[severe kettle]

Problem is I only play a few hours every evening

Will give the extremes and Unreal a go tomorrow though see how they go

Might take some getting used to since I did have quite the struggle with normal phonics bird

[fervent bane]

the bird is the big wall in savage too lol

[onyx nimbus]

Hooked on phoinix

[severe kettle]

That’s exactly what went through my mind when I first saw the name

“LEARNING BIRD!”

[severe kettle]

Yeah first 2 fights and the 4th weren’t bad

But learning the bird took me a few tries

[onyx nimbus]

Oh the savage only teaches one thing

The color orange signifies death

[severe kettle]

The whole stage is orange tho

[bleak yoke]

exactly

[onyx nimbus]

You also learn Party Finder cant count

[severe kettle]

What brought me back to the game was seeing the newest ultimate race

I still don’t understand the numbered and lettered spots, I’ll have to learn what those are for.

[torn kindle]

P3S in a nutshell

[supple sail]

The gap is vast

Normal mode content is meant to be cleared blind by casual players in 1–2 attempts

Savage takes hours per fight to prog

Savage floors 1 and 2 are easier—this tier they can be cleared within 1–2 hours each by a competent group

3 and 4 take a lot longer

[stable nimbus]

Can anyone tell where I should look for (casual) UCOB groups?

[drowsy agate]

honestly?

party finder

there may also be an ultimates recruiting discord for your DC but usually they are more midcore or hardcore

[stable nimbus]

Thank you

[drowsy agate]

pretty much just look for a PF ucob party whenever you have time to do it

[desert turtle]

I'm wanting to start playing FF14 after quitting WoW. Currently researching on Classes/Jobs, so I have a general idea of them. I decided to go Melee DPS, and going to do a lot of endgame content. I'm currently torn between Lancer and Rogue: Because of Dragoon and Ninja. I also looked at the Jobs which don't require a particular class. F. e.: Reaper, Samurai, Dancer, Red Mage. So if I choose between Lancer and Rogue, I will have a lot of options. And that's why I'm writing here. I need help to decide that Dragoon, or Ninja would be optimal for a beginner who's looking to focus on endgame content and raiding, but enjoys casual content too. Thanks!

[vernal breach]

[torn kindle]

The expansion jobs don’t require specific classes leveled up to unlock, any will do. You can even unlock the healers (Astrologian/Sage) or tanks (Dark Knight/Gunbreaker) without having a healer or tank unlocked.

As for between DRG/NIN, they’re both pretty in demand due to their group utility. I personally prefer Dragoon more due to their set-in-stone GCD rotation and their burst not being as APM heavy as Ninja.

[steady pebble]

Also would say to keep in mind you can level everything on one character

and most people end up doing so eventually

[verbal oak]

thats exactly what i did to an extent, i played red mage for all of msq intending to use it in raids. however, even after doing all of msq and getting a good idea of how to play it, all it took me was a few dungeons on machinist to go "wait this is way more fun". i dont even play sharpshooters in most other games i play!

and mch is considered one of the worst jobs on the game, being slightly behind all dps and not offering anything extra outside of standerd phys ranged stuff

[frank swallow]

i just noticed the dps from aug classical weap to bluefeather is kinda huge

[verbal oak]

and yet i can still get into groups no problem, and still be super useful

[round hazel]

Honestly the skill gap between jobs in this game doesn't vary too much, save for some exceptions. You are going to have to put in many hours to learn each one no matter which you choose, let alone the fight. So I would suggest trying a few and see which suits you because all jobs are relatively close in terms of damage and such within their roles. So just find one that you will feel comfortable spending hours learning with fight and job wise.

[frank swallow]

man this is kinda heartbreaking to see doing everything correctly but still not hitting blue

[vernal breach]

Gear?

[vernal breach]

Definitely gear

[frank swallow]

wont my gear be suff for blue parse?

[vernal breach]

Eh well, maybe 595 isnt that low

You might not be doing everything right tho, i dun play samurai ;3

[frank swallow]

i need atleast 8,281 for blue

[drowsy agate]

you've looked at xivanalysis right?

595 is more than enough to get purples

[frank swallow]

wont purple require me to deal 8.6k?

my gear only allowed me to hit 8.4k

[drowsy agate]

it's not gear

what does your xivanalysis look like

if your xiva is fully green with few mistakes then I can't help you

you'll have to go to the balance and have the sam mentors pick it apart

and in any case, xiva ranks you on rdps

[frank swallow]

some hiccups on the positional

but that won't still bring me to purp though with current gears

[drowsy agate]

go down further to the suggestions

are those all green too?

[drowsy agate]

then yeah, I can't help you, go to the SAM balance channels and ask them for a log analysis

there has to be other errors that xiva isn't catching

[frank swallow]

[drowsy agate]

I was most interested in the uptime portion since that's where most people lose damage

but 98% is good

[vernal breach]

Yeah xiva hasnt ever done shit for me lmao
The balans lad were all lyke “you didnt do [x,y,z]”
And then i did that stuff and then i did way more dps, shocking

[drowsy agate]

what ilvl is your weapon?

[drowsy agate]

xiva is great for people who are beginner to intermediate skill

it's when you get to the higher end where it stops being as useful

[vernal breach]

😔

[drowsy agate]

xiva can't tell me how sweaty my transpose opti is

if your weapon is like, say, i580 I could see those numbers matching up

but if it's 590/595/600 then yea I'm not a good enough SAM player to give you advice

I don't even have sam at 90

[frank swallow]

595

[drowsy agate]

yep, strongly suggest heading over to the balance then

or maybe some balance sam mentor will pass by here and see something

[frank swallow]

need new mentor

[vernal breach]

Could just go over there and ask weeee

[frank swallow]

Keeping everything to green is not even enough

Pain

[vernal breach]

Surprisingly, yeah ;l
Theres often fight specific optimizations, and sometimes theyre pretty big revelations

And xiva dont tell you that stuff

[frank swallow]

lmao someone pointed it out

[vernal breach]

Thats alot of enpis

[frank swallow]

missed 1 GCD and thrice enpi along with late Midare

bless Balance peep for pointing it out

[bleak yoke]

i can already tell that's lightning/sword

i wanna say lightning snapshot is ~1 sec before the damage goes out with how bullshit it is

[frank swallow]

eh no

it's P1S

LMAO

SO I AM FKING BAD

[bleak yoke]

p1s is full uptime

[frank swallow]

i know

uh you know the part where aetherial shackles with red and white stuff?

[bleak yoke]

[frank swallow]

i went to the wrong way

[bleak yoke]

you can still gcd max melee

[frank swallow]

that shouldnt be an excuse to enpi

[bleak yoke]

yeah there isnt any excuse to enpi in p1

[frank swallow]

i also got hit by damage down by gaoler flail ball

man that stuff is hard to calculate

[bleak yoke]

also a massive chunk to the parse

[frank swallow]

even at max melee you still get hit

[bleak yoke]

if you want like

a really easy way to and just saying fuck you to positionals

the front arrow on the boss tells where the hitbox is

the edge of it is both the safezone for chakram and the hitbox for mace

other than that it's just getting better at doing max melee

but that comes with time

[frank swallow]

also i am wondering about pot

like there are some delay when you pressed it

[bleak yoke]

yeah
gotta mash that shit

[frank swallow]

when i do Gekko to Pot

[bleak yoke]

all items dont queue

[frank swallow]

it's not that hard to press

but a Kasha or Yuki actually harder

mash it

[bleak yoke]

yup
then cry because the game recognizes you're pressing pot too late then you clip your gcd

[frank swallow]

relateable

[deep gale]

Is there a discord for Ultimates?

[steep summit]

mein gott people fucking up shit I'm constantly getting right. Someone ping me if they need someone competent

[inner stump]

ultimate crystal raiding (for pugging/pf), ultimate uncoiled

https://discord.gg/kJTm9WRZ

https://discord.gg/ultimateuncoiled

[deep gale]

Thanks!

[steep summit]

Acutally, is there a de facto primal raiding server, pf is starting to burn me out

[inner stump]

i play on crys but afaik upr is the biggest for ult raiding on primal

[steep summit]

I’m not really interested in committing to ults right now, just want that clear without having to blow through people trying to prog anything that’s not the CC in clear parties

[inner stump]

mm u can check the #various-serving-listings channel in the balance then, might have something for just savage

[golden slate]

Outside of a parsing discord I don’t see the difference between pf and a regular pugging discord

Pf is your best shot at clearing this late into a tier

Or a static that’s looking to clear, which honestly might be worse than pf

[inner stump]

might be copium but asking in pugging disc might reach more people that are willing to do c41 0 chest pts

[frank swallow]

You can clear current savage tier this late with PF though

[steep summit]

Tell that to primal pf

[frank swallow]

That is just an excuse

Every data center would be the same

You just gotta be more persistence and quit when you feel like it is not gonna go anywhere

[steep summit]

Yeah but I don’t wanna spend whole weekends quitting after quitting

[wet heath]

Almost styled on em

[frank swallow]

i need to blue P3S next

[vernal breach]

the worst one

[frank swallow]

the fun one

everything after darkened fire and adds phase are fun

[bleak yoke]

🤨

you have a really twisted definition of fun

[frank swallow]

FoA do be fun though? like it gets your body going lmao

do it correctly or die while weaving

[bleak yoke]

ah yes

as drg where you need to do 4 jumps during fof

[frank swallow]

i hate at how long their animation for that jump

can't move or slide

[frank swallow]

Lets fking go

Blue on P1

i forgot to pot

aaaaaa

[desert turtle]

Hi! It's me again here, asking a question. Which EU server would you recommend choosing for endgame content? Any recommendations are appreciated

[fervent bane]

you can pick any at all

in a couple of weeks you'll be able to travel across light & chaos so it really doesn't matter

[desert turtle]

How will that work? Will I be able to transfer between chaos servers too, or is it a paid service?

Like in WoW

[fervent bane]

you can already do everything with people on the same data centre as you, such as party finder etc

so if you're on chaos you can do anything with anyone else on chaos

but it's being added that you can freely travel to light and do the same

[sinful brook]

For the most part a lot of your questions being asked @desert turtle are better suited to #questions-and-help or #beginner-lounge so don't be afraid to just ask there

[desert turtle]

Thanks

[desert turtle]

Alright will ask there then

[noble whale]

when dc travel gets added, you’ll be able to temporarily visit a different data center in your region from the title screen, which requires you to log out

so on top of being able to play with everyone in your DC cross-server already, you can now play with everyone in your region

so if your raid group is based in light instead of chaos, you’ll be able to transfer over for raid night and come back home to chaos later

[desert turtle]

Oh, alright that's a good explanation thank u very much

[grand mesa]

going for a tea clear

wish me luck friends

[robust shoal]

[grand mesa]

high on hopium

nerves on edge

im bready

[quick verge]

no luck needed

just pure mechanical skill

to execute the mechanics that ate shb's ultimate budget

[grand mesa]

yup

i will drop my gcds to execute the mechanics if i need to

i do not care for max uptime

i am not here to parse

time to get this

[quick verge]

safety gaming as god intended

[grand mesa]

[undone tide]

i mean after BJCC there's really not much greeding to be done

except like

Final Word

For trines you simply

pool insta casts

[quick verge]

if someone's brain has trouble tracking clone during fate projection a/b then they can stop dmg a bit

which is fine cause there's prob even less of a dps check

[undone tide]

Just follow it

Lmao

[vernal breach]

Often times, im greedy as fucc, not cuz i like parsing
But because my rotation works in a particular way and if i ever stop pressing buttons
Then it changes to be less neat and orderly

[frank swallow]

im getting a MMO mouse hopefully that will help me not twisting my finger after downtime

💀

[vernal breach]

Ive been thinking bout how much you really need a mouse when doing combat in ff14

Like you could conceivably have both hands on the keyboard

And not need that mmo mouse

[frank swallow]

not using mouse kinda would be pain for camera movement won't it?

[vernal breach]

You dont have to much it much if u ask me
But theres also 2 buttons that most people probably unbound that pans your camera left and and right

And if you wanna go whole hog, the arrow keys can also move the camera up,down,left,right as well

I think you can live without intensive camera movements, the game isnt that fast paced

[quick verge]

ive seen things

[frank swallow]

yeah that would require you to have a 70%, 75% keyboard layout for that

for me that would be impossible

since i am using 65%

so i need the mouse for camera or else it would be impossible for me to look at where pinax would be

[vernal breach]

M8, i have a 65% keyboard
That can be programmed to have arrow keys

[frank swallow]

but i loved my layout

i have been playing games without arrow keys for awhile

and i enjoyed it

[vernal breach]

You could also just bind the camera movements to somewhere else

Like have wasd, but have e and q rotate the camera left n right
Or w.e you fancy

Im sure its a skill you can learn if you really wanted to save 30 dollars on an mmo mouse

[frank swallow]

Q and E taken

[vernal breach]

Imagine the possibilities tho, you can put those q and e buttons to i and p if you had both hands on keyboard!

[frank swallow]

i dont think i can atm kinda pain

[brisk iris]

Shift + Q and shift + E

[grand mesa]

We disbanded, but I got to perfect

I'm relatively happy

I know i can do this

Going to try again tomorrow

[steep summit]

Quick question, people can do P4S without ever clearing P3S right?

[frank swallow]

yes

but need the leader to have cleared P3S

[steep summit]

right, cause i actually just made a pf requiring people give me a proof of p3s clear

cause honestly all the dps suck

its always the dps

[subtle marsh]

🤨

[frank swallow]

kinda irked me a bit when you keep blaming the DPS

[grand mesa]

?

[torn mesa]

I think every role has bad players, and I think any argument for 1 role's players on average being worse than another role

would be pure anecdotal evidence

[grand mesa]

P much

If you're not meeting enrage, I'd look to see if you're making any mistakes on your end damage wise

I've seen people pull in with shit uptime (50%~) on a class as easy to dps with as whm and complain about everyone else being bad when they barely hit enrage

[frank swallow]

imagine if the DPS are doing well but the other roles are not DPSing

[torn mesa]

while I could be inclined to say SAM/RPR have a disproportionally large number of bad players

I'm fairly confident that that's solely because they have more players

same thing with DNC/SMN

[grand mesa]

aye

its kinda painful seeing people play your main class sometimes

when you see someone fuck up and make really bad mistakes

delaying leylines in p1s

not pressing mana ward

[vernal breach]

I have bever watched a pld othee than myself do the -18 fof opener when its a dps gain
And yeh, it sucks

Imagine playing the lowest dps tank…
And then playing it badly

My lord, could they contribute any less

[molten moon]

Somehow having crap uptime on smn

[subtle marsh]

Ngl. If I had to jump through hoops for a fucking pf, I'd just bail.

That's just stupid.

[frank swallow]

man UWU on Ultima phase made my head numb

[potent jasper]

did anyone powerlevel gatherers?
How fast can you 1-> 90 if you powerlevel with food+manual xp buffs?

for comparison, you can 1->90
any crafter in about 2-3 hours

[verbal oak]

for FSH, i was able to powerlevel it from 1-60 in like an hour and a half with leves, just buying off the MB

as for MIN/BOT took around 5 hours apiece but it was dirt cheap to powerlevel

leves were pretty good

[potent jasper]

how fast could u get FSH to 90

[verbal oak]

prolly like 2 hours

dont even need to fish

[potent jasper]

oh yeah?

[verbal oak]

just buy fish on the MB and turn them in

[steady pebble]

how fast fishing takes is largely dependent on your gil and leve allowances

and is essentially the same as crafting

their leves work the same as crafting leves, take x item to y person

[potent jasper]

crafters take around 2-3 mil per 1-90
after u got your 4? sets for every level tier

[steady pebble]

though should probably keep in mind that leve fish are likely to be fairly expensive

just because most people don't bother with leves, as ocean fishing is frankly easier and lazier

[spring gull]

hmm... seems like panthean equipments are on the same level as non-augmented radiant equips? is that accurate to say or did i misread something

[torn kindle]

yes

alliance raid gear is meant as catch-up gear to help get into savage

Along with the weekly coin drop to help augment your tomestone gear faster

[spring gull]

ah

i just want it because i assume the full sets look nice d:

[torn kindle]

[spring gull]

just got the second piece, just 3 more and i'll have a full set for maiming

also starting to get pretty decent at that raid as well which is a nice bonus

i wonder what the relic progression for endwalker will be like, since i know that shadowbringers had it tied to bozja do you think we'll be getting another bozja-like area with the next relic weapon set?

[solar wraith]

Fun fact, you can clear the tier and do pretty ok, parse-wise and be a complete moron

Example, me

I found out this week that reaper's Shadow of Death is not, in fact, a dot

I main a reaper

[spring gull]

it's not, but it's still important for your damage output to keep it up at all times d:

[vapid pivot]

I already asked but i wanted to ask again how good edngame is? I hear some people say its just login 5 min every day & other says theres good end game progression? I want that and i care more for it then the story (even tho i still really enjoy the story) I want edngame progression in raids, Cosmetics, mounts, pushing for harder content, ...

[grand mesa]

It depends

If you're looking to push into harder content, there's a decent chunk of stuff you can do

[molten moon]

If you want to farm for mounts and minions? There's also a decent chunk to do

[onyx nimbus]

Cosmetics can be an incredible timesink

Especially if you avoid resorting to marketboard

[round hazel]

I mean harder content is uh a massive timesink if you start at the begining of the tier

my group does 12hrs of prog every week, not counting ex trial farming etc

you do have a lot to do after msq really

Bozja,eureka, beast tribes, DOH/DOL is a monster in itself, firmament, leveling alt jobs, learning your main job to the t, raiding, ultimates.unreals. FC social stuff....old ex trial farming.....lots

[verbal oak]

Where’s treasure hunting and pvp in that

[round hazel]

lmfao

There is honestly so much you can do

its just what you are interested and want to put time into

I got like...2k unholy hours and I dont think Ive hit everything

[onyx nimbus]

12 hours a week of prog is definitely above average though

Most groups probably somewhere in the 3-5 hour range

[nova socket]

12hrs a day is a decent pace

[steep summit]

Bruh... I also found that this week, and that’s only cause I haven’t played it outside of literally unlocking it

[steep summit]

FUCK YOU RANDOM PFS

also got the chest coffer SQUCREEEE

[stuck cloak]

congrats!

8 tanks vs endsinger

[steep summit]

Now I just need to take a shower to wash my sweaty ass off. God it's hot in Seattle rn

[round hazel]

TOTAL lol

3 hrs for four days

[onyx nimbus]

No thats still a lot

Most statics are meeting up maybe twice

For 2-3 hours per session

[drowsy agate]

3 hours/4 days is almost hardcore hours

lol

most statics are 6-9 hours a week

[austere ocean]

12 hours a week seems casual/MC for me

9-12 hours is the same thing

HC hours are more like 12 hours a day for the weekend and like 2-3 hours every night or every other night weekdays

[austere ocean]

with breaks ofc

[quick verge]

12 hours in one sitting

[frank swallow]

12 hours...

Kinda extreme

[torn mesa]

depends the context

week 1 I think 5 hours a day on average would be considered sHC

[bleak yoke]

world first

[frank swallow]

6 hours every day are kinda hardcore alr aint it?

[torn mesa]

for week 1 not really

week 1 hardcore is taking days off

and doing 10+

at least to me

[frank swallow]

It is mostly to create strats?

Since i doubt world first would take long time to learn certain mech

[grand mesa]

Hit tea enrage today

I try again tomorrow

[austere ocean]

12 hours is like HC week 1-2. Clearers

I know 2 groups who prog 16 hours a day for the weekend it first came out. 2-3 hours every other night when it’s weekdays

They cleared week 2

Dsr esp, took everyone a long time to prog and clear also

[brisk pollen]

Gah just cleared uwu! It's not much, but it was still tiring >.> very fun to learn tho (except jail bs >_>)

[bleak yoke]

we share our uwu first clears today

[brisk pollen]

Grats to you too man! 😄

[drowsy agate]

recent uwu clearers rejoice

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/732433495141515395/988249301933248612/unknown.png

[frank swallow]

I have a question for p3s adds phase, it doesnt count towards the logs right? for the first and second one

[bleak yoke]

nop

[frank swallow]

Ah damn it

Needs some optimization

[inner stump]

it's just a gauge building phase, you can use your 1min cds on small adds as it'll be up for the reopener

[frank swallow]

Yea

Could pop Meikyo and Tsubame once

😩

[golden slate]

[steep summit]

how much of a difference do pots make to damage?

[torn mesa]

depends on a lot of factors such a your job, the fight, and your kill time

if you're just talking about the "average", where you just throw pot in there as essentially an extra button for your rotation, probably like 1.5%~?

maybe a bit less

[steep summit]

Trying to figure out how a 2% parse happened with my RDM on P4S with 97.8% uptime

well outside of my final burst window happening right after we hit the dps check.

[fallow pine]

post log

👀

[steep summit]

https://xivanalysis.com/fflogs/RfkbgVZ1BxrX7JTy/19/61

And being completely unmelded.

and being ilvl 593

[austere ocean]

1. USE YOUR GOD DAMN MITS
2. you are losing out on 1 double melee combo due to losing a use on Manafication window AND acceleration

[torn mesa]

first of all, I'm surprised your group didn't kick you outright for not melding

[austere ocean]

oh yea why the hell are you doing savage unmeld

[torn mesa]

P4S too

[austere ocean]

🧐

[torn kindle]

Yeah you should be using grade 8’s at the extreme minimum

[quick verge]

grade 10s

[torn mesa]

^

[quick verge]

no excuse like 7 months after expac drop

[torn mesa]

there's no excuse for not doing 2 melds every slot

and not having food

it's quite frankly just insulting to others' times when someone does something like that IMO

[austere ocean]

oh man did you guys clear cuz this looks like a carry

[frank swallow]

i am surprised he complained about DPS being whack when himself doing this

[austere ocean]

that aside they didnt use mits to help the healers either

😅 addle where

[torn mesa]

so... yeah

[austere ocean]

how much rdps/adps did they do

[austere ocean]

yea this is a hard carry

look even the lowest ones are green and its a drk and a nin with a lot of parses, and these jobs has naturally higher dps

[torn mesa]

I think the other green is a WAR

yeah, just checked again

[austere ocean]

the 34?

[torn mesa]

the other 3 DPS are all high purple

[austere ocean]

oh yea

either way you can look and see the difference between a 2 and… the rest of the group

[torn mesa]

honestly even if you're new to a job

and do low damage

that's okay

really my thing is not melding

that's indicative of not even making an effort

[austere ocean]

do you know if they cleared

[torn mesa]

don't know/don't care enough. don't really want to witch hunt

[austere ocean]

this looks like a parse party or something cuz its quite rare to see 3/4 dps are purple like that

[quick verge]

if that's a parse party

then

idk

[torn mesa]

my only point was

[quick verge]

that's not good at all

[torn mesa]

it's just a huge asshole move

[austere ocean]

inch resting

[torn mesa]

to do shit like that

I somehow doubt it's a parse group

[steep summit]

It's a reclear group, i take rdm when I'm tired

[austere ocean]

its just a good group as is dang most of the time i see

[austere ocean]

dont grief when you are tired, you got no excuse

go sleep, pick your main job when you arent tired, period

[torn kindle]

Tiredness also doesn’t excuse no melds/food

[steep summit]

I mean like fine, I'll meld since since I didn't know it make that much of a difference

[austere ocean]

why do you ask for help and when you get help "it doesnt make much of a difference"

when it clearly is

[steep summit]

Well missed the didn't know bit

secondly my griping was about people not doing mechanics properly

[austere ocean]

these sounds like excuses for me cuz you got a 2, everyone else at least got green and other dps has purple

[torn mesa]

even if it didn't matter much

asking for how you could parse better

when you haven't even the effort to make minimal investments in gear

is entirely counterproductive

and yeah people not doing mechanics

is unrelated to you melding or not

[austere ocean]

i dont get why they blame people for not doing mechanic when clearly that is a good pug reclear group witth good dps also

[robust shoal]

tbf food/pots/gear don't punt you all the way down to a 2

[torn mesa]

they don't

and I wasn't even focused on their rotation when I saw the no meld part

[torn mesa]

even if their pug was bad, there is 0 correlation between them have melds or not versus them getting a good group or not

[verbal oak]

Missing an entire burst window so tho

[austere ocean]

as a healer i see red when i saw 0 addle and 2/4 magick barrier

[robust shoal]

my week 1 kill with i580

[graceful storm]

yeah cats, but you're also god

so

[austere ocean]

it is not just a meld issue either, its sth else thats fundaemtally wrong also

[graceful storm]

skill issue

[torn mesa]

it's the mindset

[nova socket]

I guess skill diff lol

[torn mesa]

did you greed with cooldowns then though

[robust shoal]

I was just gonna say Niko prolly had a green tho

[nova socket]

I had that last expac

lmao

[robust shoal]

prolly 20 dmg down between those 12 parses

[nova socket]

We were one of the first non-dmg down tank gamers

https://xivanalysis.com/fflogs/9CDKvPVbHBT1g3XQ/30/2

idk think I played decent for a day 2 kill

[steep summit]

I was referring to your mention of my previous complaints which were when I was progging as GNB/SGE

[austere ocean]

i dont know you and i dont care nor remember your progging as whatever else you claimed. You said this party wasnt able to do mechanic, in your reclear party

[subtle marsh]

Frankly, demanding people prove they cleared p3 just to get into your p4 is mega yikes.
I think you need to do some self evaluation before calling other people shitters.

[grand mesa]

todayu isnt it either

[finite plank]

sacrifice someone

to die to chakrams

either bjcc or wormhole

[echo ibex]

Wait who pinged me

[jade sluice]

do we know when the next savage tier will come out ?

[steady pebble]

6.2

dont have a date yet, estimate is sometime aug

[austere ocean]

me, i pinged the wrong channel so i reping in rant

[wet heath]

Ayo im gonna start tea prog soon you should carry me uwu

[undone tide]

I'm sure I'll be memeing on UAR after 6.18

may help a bit 👁️

[grand mesa]

I haven't even cleared yet

[wet heath]

still farther than me

[austere ocean]

That discord no longer exist I also don’t think aether have any unified pug strat for anything beyond ucob and uwu

[fallow pine]

we have unified strats for all 3 old ults and kinda unified but not really strats for DSR

UAR 2 exists as well.

[wild ether]

how long can u stand in akh morn puddle?

same as liquid hell?

[frank swallow]

parsing P4S P2 does feel boring

i still want a green though or atleast blue

[vernal breach]

thus why i dont like p2

foqing tethers

[frank swallow]

it's not as challenging as P1

which made it kinda boring

just break tether and heal

not enough heal die

[naive shale]

according to my static mate 2 seconds

[grand mesa]

I've never felt this anxious near the end of an enrage in my entire life

THe deed is done

y'gal's a perfect legend now

[vernal breach]

THAT MIQO ON THE RIGHTS ALREADY BOUGHT THE MOG OUTFIT

[round hazel]

proud of u

[grand mesa]

I'm proud of you too, Sarah

Dnc God gamer

[round hazel]

we are very close to predation

[grand mesa]

Clear soon??

I believe

[bleak yoke]

it's funny that predation is probably the hardest part of ultima until you know how to dodge it ☠️

get over that hurdle and it's def very soon to the clear

[wet heath]

Now c41 me

I have exactly 0 prog in tea

[grand mesa]

[wet heath]

If rich can do it so can i

[grand mesa]

Once you get past bjcc, the hardest thing to prog is calming your nerves tbh

[wet heath]

[grand mesa]

Alex prime and wormhole isn't hard per se

But it's easy to fuck it up if you're not paying attention

Same goes for last phase

[bleak yoke]

well
it'd be pretty fucking brutal to put the hardest phase as the last one ☠️

[grand mesa]

Last phase is hard if you're me

Look away for one second to look at my hotbar and miss what debuff my clone gets during beta

[wet heath]

In cobbers i was only a lil nervous

Nerves of steeeeeel

[grand mesa]

I haven't done ucob, but tea feels like a gauntlet

Being a tank or healer honestly seems like it's harder than dps in tea

But it's probably perspective

[wet heath]

Ucob is fairly easy and golden is super simple but youll be really nervous about dying to exaflares lol

[grand mesa]

Fair

[wet heath]

Cuz if you die youll lose your 2x damage buff

And have weakness

[grand mesa]

I was like that with perfect Alexander fate cali

And

Ordained motion/stillness

Double esc strat op..

[torn mesa]

something something not current /s

[wet heath]

Respect stillness guys

[grand mesa]

[torn mesa]

congrats

[grand mesa]

I had a surprisingly okay parse

For being almost afk during fate cali beta just so I don't fuck it up

[grand mesa]

Thank you!

This feels like the first thing in this game that I've actually had to put genuine hard work into

[wet heath]

I feel like once i beat dragonsong nothing will seem hard

[grand mesa]

Honestly? I wouldn't be surprised

Can't wait to see you clear dude

[wet heath]

Phase 6 saw cauterize 2 days ago

[grand mesa]

[wet heath]

Then its the final phase

[grand mesa]

One step closer

Mhm

Get that bread

[wet heath]

Dragon king thordan is gonna be some monkasteer for sure lol

Im praying we down p7 in 15 attempts or less

Maybe we clear in a couple weeks then

[grand mesa]

We'll see

Tea was nerve wracking

I cant even begin to imagine what dsr is like

LOL

Props to you and your group

[finite plank]

how's cyan tea prog

is it tea reclears yet

it is tea reclears time

[grand mesa]

soon™️

i want to take a tea-vacation for a bit though

only time im ever touching it is to help ppl I was with clear

and help my static prog the rest of the fight

[frank swallow]

no fking way my blue parse

for P3S gone

[grand mesa]

roll gcd harder

[bleak yoke]

real

[grand mesa]

also, wipe logs aren't always reliable lol

[frank swallow]

[bleak yoke]

wait
how did you wipe at that time

[grand mesa]

9 min 24s is after deaths toll

[bleak yoke]

wait is that

wiping to the raidwide

[fervent bane]

it's the gloryplume jsnt it

[frank swallow]

well everyone kinda doing good dmg?

and some keep messing up the death toll

not enough heal

[bleak yoke]

wait

[fervent bane]

but you have an astro for deaths toll

[bleak yoke]

you have an ast

why are they not using macro??

[frank swallow]

kinda died to FoA

💀

[grand mesa]

I'm too lazy to check the timeline

Im p sure deaths toll resolve is a few seconds after 9 min flat

[dull radish]

variable depending on how fast you kill adds

[grand mesa]

Ohh

Right, I keep forgetting

That the timeline photo isn't 1:1

1 am brain

[frank swallow]

i kinda forced the group to slowdown for adds phase

[dull radish]

it's pretty common for folks to slow down a bit on adds phase to build resources and have a strong reopener after

[grand mesa]

And to have pot up for it

[dull radish]

it's actually a fun change of pace to try to optimize killing adds phase quicker and focusing on overall killtime

though that's also where my PB for the fight was from haha

[grand mesa]

Doesn't fflogs not count birds for parse these days

[frank swallow]

yeah

[bleak yoke]

it still counts for the time itself

[round hazel]

I hope

[urban kernel]

When you try to set up a pandemonium run and that one guy drops because "life"

[torn mesa]

never look at wipe logs for parse purposes

[wet heath]

Panda raid?

[glossy musk]

war in dsr, pre-pot or pot 1st gcd

[frank swallow]

weird how i died and still got blue parse after clearing it would have expected grey or green

[vernal breach]

yeah that is weird man, i take 1 DD and suddenly im grey

[frank swallow]

atleast i have achieved my goals for current savage

ignore P4S P2 cuz it's boring

[bleak yoke]

🤨

simply kill boss faster and it'll be less boring

[torn mesa]

doubt it

[frank swallow]

curtain call

💀

[rancid breach]

is there no live letter translation anymore? D:

[torn kindle]

#translations-and-liveletters

[rancid breach]

oh, thank you :3

[frank swallow]

crying inside

[grand mesa]

hmm

[thick needle]

I wan to parse ex3 but looks like no one PFing it anymore

[grand mesa]

Why are you trying to parse ex3

Well

You can make your own pfs during peak

people will still want to do it for the mount.

[frank quiver]

^

[naive shale]

at thordan?

or adephel grinaux?

[bleak yoke]

probably thordan
considering adel/grin is a joke

[bleak yoke]

actually i should answer this
first gcd
for sam atleast he leaves a bit after 2nd tsubame, which is final gcd to pot window

[nova socket]

on warr you'd prepull pot at 1s cus you upheaval first gcd

to get a second use before he jumps off

[bleak yoke]

oh you do double upheaval and not triple inner

[frank swallow]

wtf not even a purple

P4S P1 suck

[nova socket]

[grand mesa]

roll gcd harder

[frank swallow]

progress

fk Pinax Thunder Sword

[grand mesa]

third eye the lightning damage

[frank swallow]

💀

died

bad suggestion

reported

[grand mesa]

fwiw

I think you can hit the boss until a bit before half before you have to run away to not get gonked by 2nd tile set lightning

pop sprint

[frank swallow]

jk i can fit 2 GCD then Enpi and 1 GCD then dash back

[grand mesa]

u can dash back at 75%ish of the cast if it's lightning

80% if you want to be safe

though

i doubt cursed shit like this is what's stopping you from parsing purp

[glossy musk]

Yeah

Make sure you’re positioning it properly and all so you don’t lose uptime

[frank swallow]

wait the correct way is 2 GCD 1 Yaten 1 Enpi and dash back to Hespe

i assume this gear is more than enough to hit purp

[undone tide]

u can hit purp with like 585, probably

just have to play good

[finite plank]

i dont think purp is possible with 585 now

at most a blue

should be able to hit purp at that gear

[torn mesa]

this isn't that bad

you do 1 backstep enpi

and then depending on how early you did it

you either do another enpi or take the clip

the better your timing on the backstep, the more you should be inclined towards taking the clip

[round hazel]

Mmm

Why

Why phone why here

[frank swallow]

I think i can fit 1 or 2 GCD there depending on whether my midare has went off or no

Then Yatenpi

[lime marlin]

Is DRK alright in endgame at the moment? From what I understand what they lack in healing/mitigation they make up for in damage.

I'm not a top 1% gamer or anything, not even 90 yet, but healers can heal DRK just fine but as a solo/pug player am I shooting myself in the foot a bit by playing DRK like this? I don't have the wiggle room for healers under healing or dealing with large mobs like the other classes can with the bucket load of self-healing they have.

[torn kindle]

Self-healing doesn’t mean much in top end content

And DRK has enough mitigation

Each tank basically has the same overall mitigation kit with bits changed for flavor effect

[robust shoal]

DRK is the best tank and it's legitimately difficult to argue otherwise

[torn kindle]

Yeah you can’t use dungeon big pulls to judge a tank for high end content value

Vastly different beasts

[lime marlin]

Yeah and that's great, but I'm asking about general non-top-end content. I still have lots of dungeons to go and every big pull feels less safe than if I was a healer tank 🅱️oi it'd be no worries.

[robust shoal]

WAR is god in dungeons straight up and nothing is gonna come close to how difficult it is to die on it

[lime marlin]

I could be asking a redudant question as I have no idea what the endgame cycle is like.

[robust shoal]

but DRK is very usable in dungeons

living dead is probably actually the best invuln for trash pulls now

[torn kindle]

Even patches add the Savage raids, which are the main endgame content. They’re (mainly) single boss encounters.
Odd patches add the Alliance raids, being 24-man duties composed of 3 parties. Most of the time they’re pretty simple.

And each main patch adds an Extreme trial, being a high-end version of a regular trial either from the story or the patch the extreme came in. Similar to Savage raids but lower in difficulty

[lime marlin]

That's good to hear though. It does feel weird that the class doesn't have as much heals as every other tank seems to. Abyssal Drain and Carve and Spit being on the same cooldown is very strange but other than that it seems to be good (relatively) big tank DPS?

[torn kindle]

They have the highest burst of the tanks

Even higher than most DPS in their opener

[lime marlin]

That's neat!

[torn kindle]

As for Drain and Carve, yeah it’s a bit weird >.>

[robust shoal]

drain/carve sharing a cd was just a move to reduce button bloat a bit because carve was pretty whatever in trash pulls and abyssal did almost nothing in single target

[lime marlin]

But is Drain and Carve and the the fact our level 82 ability is lackluster the last few DRK oddities left? It's so good to see living dead finally addressed!

[robust shoal]

oblation is underrated

[torn kindle]

Oblation is quite good despite the low mitigation

The charge system lets be used for practically all big hits you’ll take

[lime marlin]

Ah okay, well that's good to hear as well!

[torn kindle]

And it pairs nicely with TBN

[lime marlin]

Sounds like DRK is in a great spot then overall?

[robust shoal]

it's not the most amazing thing ever but it's relatively weaker than what the other tanks got because tbn already slapped insanely hard

[torn kindle]

Yeah, DRK basically got their 82 skill early

[lime marlin]

Is getting TBN to explode reliable to do? I've got TBN but I keep getting roulettes where I can never use it haha.

[robust shoal]

it's at its most unreliable in the lower-end raid/trial content

even the first savage floor doesn't reliably pop it with autos once you're fully geared

[lime marlin]

But if it doesn't pop because there's not enough damage, would that mean i'd just use an "edge" ability for the damage up front for these dungeons/trials/raids?

[robust shoal]

the thing with tbn on pull is you can use it slightly before engaging and get mana regen ticks afterward

so the timer hits 0 when you have like 7800 mana, having spent 3000

so it's kind like starting off with an edge but you had 10800 mana instead of 10000

but if it doesn't pop you just deal with it

[torn kindle]

As in with just TBN???

[robust shoal]

either lose a little damage from the mana stuff or you delay blood weapon and push LS back

yeah you have to gearswap macro to reliably pop a naked tbn

for p1s

[torn kindle]

Oof

[robust shoal]

p2s potentially iffy too but not nearly as much

[grand mesa]

that does sound pretty cringe

i kinda wish p1 autos hurt a bit more

[sinful brook]

At least

The bosses autoed more often this time

E7S and the 17 autos over 11 minutes

[grand mesa]

LMAO

[quick verge]

e7s was a social experiment

in exchange for casters screaming for their lives

tanks dont take damage

[onyx nimbus]

i enjoy that trade

we should have that more often

i'd even be willing to waive the second part of the deal

[grand mesa]

silence

[weary bone]

Nice, Panda is unlocked

I should get into learning P4S

[onyx nimbus]

good idea, they should put silences into content too

[grand mesa]

blocked

[sinful brook]

Lmao at the

2 whole times we used interrupt in one whole expansions raid series

One of which could be ignored with gear

[ancient glen]

is there a new BIS crafting/gathering set for 6.2 or am I good to invest in the current bis set

[steady pebble]

new bis shouldn't be until 6.3

6.2 will bring a new scrip set, but wont be better than pentamelded pactmaker

[ancient glen]

awesome ty

[grand mesa]

HELP

what are

PF strats on primal??

help help help help help

[vernal breach]

Just join a party and ask

:0

[grand mesa]

I DON"T WANT TO WASTE THEIR TIME

[bleak yoke]

considering it's primal i dont think you're wasting their time when you join and dont know the strats

[vernal breach]

I mean, ive joined parse parties where people just send me links to more optimal strats and they’re pretty chill…. And stay chill so long as you pick it up quickly

[grand mesa]

okay

[vernal breach]

Ngl, i see so few primal players in this discord that… its prolly not that productive to ask here anyway

[frank swallow]

how ironic

that P2 is my first purple

[frank swallow]

yoo

[steep summit]

Well technically I can answer the primal PF strat question:
P1S: joonbob, red safe
P2S: DPS corner Tank wall for that mech with the stack /knockback markers. confirm whether you wanna Tank LB incoherence + flow
P3S: Elmo, TR left/south HM right North facing nado. MTR mostly. T gets 1/4 birds, OT gets 2/3.
P4S: Bilibili,uptime pinax(pull boss towards fire/lighting) melees bait first kick, followed by ranged. I unfortunately don’t remember the name of the act 2 strat but greens go north/west. 12/6 for curtain call

[golden slate]

crystal be like ilya ilya ilya ilya ilya

[grand mesa]

ty friend

Mostly the same with aether then

[solar wraith]

Is it bad that I'm ok with parsing blue for the most part

[drowsy agate]

no it's not bad at all

everyone has different goals and blue is perfectly respectable

[wheat marsh]

anything beyond consistent clears is a bonus. some people want to chase parses, but clearing reliably is the main part.

[wispy scroll]

Not sure if this counts as a spoiler but the next Unreal trial is || Sephirot || and I for one am psyched to have an Unreal of a fight I actually remember xD

[nocturne apex]

Does anyone know if Aether uses different P1S strats from Primal?

I'm trying to help a friend clear P1S for the first time and gotta know lmao

[solar wraith]

Not really

[nocturne apex]

Cool

[wheat marsh]

i'm ready to not reliably clear it XD

i've only come across one time the group couldnt get ultima, mainly because the healers kept dying. but the other unreals... XD

Are there any special tricks in P2S a newbie should know/be aware of?

[deep gale]

Stand in line with / behind the tanks (if you’re not tanking) when possible so that it’s easier for them to grab the tether.

[inner stump]

for melees, standing at the corner of the square will allow you to hit the boss and avoid accidentally being hit by the line aoe

[frank swallow]

basically just stand on the grill for most of the part

the boss is also omnidirectional so no need to worry about positional

[tepid vine]

Looking for prog party for FoF P3S.

. _ . I keep running into people who struggle with tethers or adds.

[deep gale]

Yeah that’s how it goes.

[grand mesa]

what role are you

you can kinda just bullshit the mech as a healer if you know what kind of damage is going out there

[tepid vine]

I just prog to FoA. I am Ninja. 😮

[tepid vine]

I am no healer.

[torn mesa]

this late into the tier, PF is going to be incredibly trap

hell, it probably was really trap as early as like... mid March, let alone July

[sinful brook]

It was bad week 1 as well tbh

People didn't grasp group to minimize variance on tether spawn position

[round hazel]

How hard is it for poeple to just stand back and wait for tanks to take tethers @_@

[grand mesa]

Really hard

[onyx nimbus]

Dragoons on p2s moment

"Noooo I need to use my jumps and I can't step backwards to max melee range because skill issue"

[quick verge]

you can step into the boss hitbox

to take the tether

[onyx nimbus]

I can

But then they're crowding so close they take it off me when I try to move with it

[stable basin]

Is the chest coffer from e12s guaranteed?

Or is it a random drop

[covert lotus]

always chest coffer, weapon coffer, and a random weapon drops

[stable basin]

Also what about endsinger does it drop a weapon coffer or just a random weapon?

[molten moon]

Both

[stable basin]

Is p4s also a guaranteed drop?

[bleak yoke]

yeah

all savages 4th floors are

[stable basin]

Ohhhhh

Kk

[bleak yoke]

which is why this faq probably wont be outdated at all

!faq savageloot

[storm frost]

**What floor drops what?**

In a 1-chest clear, the chest received is random

First Floor:
Chest A: 2x Accessory Coffer
Chest B: Accessory Coffer

Second Floor:
Chest A: Head/Hand/Feet Coffer + Weapon Tomestone + Accessory upgrade material
Chest B: Head/Hand/Feet Coffer

Third Floor:
Chest A: Leg Coffer
Chest B: Head/Hand/Feet Coffer + Left-side upgrade material + Weapon upgrade material

Fourth Floor:
Chest A: Weapon Coffer + Mount
Chest B: Random Weapon + Chestpiece Coffer

[vernal breach]

its out dated til.. 6.2

[bleak yoke]

one line of text is outdated when the tier unlocks

[vernal breach]

[stable basin]

When will the omega ultimate inEW RELEASE

[sinful brook]

no one knows for sure what the next ult will be tbh

[drowsy agate]

owo will probably not come out until 6.4 or later

[sinful brook]

it might not even be omega

[fervent bane]

they did announce 6.3 didn't they

[drowsy agate]

6.2 will be next raid tier, maybe 6.3 could have a new ultimate but i strongly doubt

[fervent bane]

but wouldn't be surprised if it was delayed

[sinful brook]

following pattern its possible but they also have warring triad to do as the next one if they wanted

[grand mesa]

owo,,,

[drowsy agate]

it's going to owo

there is no way it's not owo

(the acronym, not the fight)

there's no way FFXIV community lets uwu slide but doesn't adopt owo

[fervent bane]

but... dsu didn't become a thing

[drowsy agate]

you could argue DSU was a stretch

[sinful brook]

DeSU

yeh nah

OWO i can get behind though

[onyx nimbus]

OK balmung

[grand mesa]

ok

[vestal hollow]

skill issue

[limpid cedar]

do people do endsinger's aria high end duty ?

[nova socket]

all the time

[wheat marsh]

good weapon to jump into savage with, plus mount farming

[limpid cedar]

should i queue for them or make a party for it

cause i've never done it

first timing it

i see the ones that say duty completed

[wheat marsh]

you wont be able to join duty completed, yo'd either need to start your own and label it as fresh or practice, or find one that welcomes beginners

[limpid cedar]

i see thx

so these The Minstrel's Ballad trials are extreme ?

[wheat marsh]

supposedly they are supposed to be the harder extremes if it says minstrel's ballad but yeah

there are others that are just "Trial Name (Extreme)"

[steady pebble]

being a minstrel ballad doesn't necessarily mean its harder than the other EXs

[wheat marsh]

but all are extreme

[steady pebble]

They're just basically the big notable trials of the msq

aka basically all of the .0 and .3 trials

[onyx nimbus]

Its weird because at one point the extremes were like "king moogle mog is back and more dangerous than ever!"

[wheat marsh]

lol did that one in 12 seconds XD

[onyx nimbus]

And then at some point it because "Haha look at these totally not exaggerated hypothetical fights imagined by your hype man bard"

[wheat marsh]

lol so its like mario 3/paper mario, all being done for the "audience"?

[onyx nimbus]

Maybe it's to push the point home that it's optional

[wheat marsh]

not if you want to be a mentor

[limpid cedar]

what kind of food buffs or potions should i prepare ? i am paladin

[steady pebble]

resummonings are slowly becoming something that isn't an issue

[onyx nimbus]

If I beat ravana and someone told me "oh btw ravana is back and he been taking them crystal roids" I would think it was a big deal to go and handle that, when in game extremes are just fought for mounts and weapon glams

[wheat marsh]

i mean || big bad said it himself, you crave stronger, harder fights for the challenge|| so the lore of regular vs extreme/savage probably isn't the point

[onyx nimbus]

More from a player perspective

I could see a lot of people beating their heads against synced ext thinking theres some important story bit hidden behind it

Especially if they queue through df and don't do unsynced/pf

[wheat marsh]

i think after normal vs hard in ARR it kinda lost the whole resummoned thing

[onyx nimbus]

So the minstrel is a way to push the idea that "Oh no baddie isn't actually back, I'm just ghostwriting your biography so let's make it super salacious"

[wheat marsh]

as Kael said before

i actually forgot the normals were 4 mans XD

[grand mesa]

[wheat marsh]

then leveling roulette - titan WHAT

[steady pebble]

pretty much the last set of resummonings for EXs are, frankly, the last time it actually makes sense lore wise

[onyx nimbus]

Ravana is a minstrel ext or no?

[steady pebble]

No

both bismark and ravana are from unu