discord-feedback

[safe mural]

The fact that both channels receive high traffic demonstrates that there's a userbase who wants both.

[normal tinsel]

at the very least, id like to say we do a great job of self-moderating information

[modern jacinth]

i mean if you're shelling out poor info constantly we kinda got rules against misinformation

[brazen yacht]

Hey I'm not wrong ALL the time just sometimes cause i mixed up quests

[normal tinsel]

it’s usually a number fuck-up, or something small, thats then corrected by someone else

[modern jacinth]

purposefully is different than just being a moron lol

[celest idol]

no one is doing it with malicious intent imo, the opposite actually

if info is wrong it tends to be an honest mistake, which is just unavoidable to happen at times

[worthy thistle]

I usually feel confident asking sprout questions here even in the middle of big tangents

[brazen yacht]

I dont think anybody is ALWAYS correct, it's not being a moron it's just you accept it with grace. Calling people that are incorrect sometimes morons just means everybody is one

[worthy thistle]

wait I swore this was beginners-lounge

I'm especially vulnerable to the big dumb

[modern jacinth]

[half vigil]

I do want to point out when I tell people to move it back onto topic I get hit with this too. It's a little silly that while the lounge generally does redirect itself it seems to think that it's gained mild immunity to moderator instruction.

[tawdry parrot]

That's rather unfortunate to hear, honestly. I personally feel that should be remedied.

[celest idol]

I agree that the reaction to mod instructions is somewhat poor at times, yeah

[whole abyss]

Tbf. Its only a few individuals who talks down/back to mods and play it off as a joke. Majority responds well

[brazen yacht]

I think this is partly from the feeling of hypocrisy (not saying it is im saying it would feel like it) when mods participate and then shut it down which makes it feel like you're not serious

Which you know I don't have a solution for cause mods are allowed to talk

[cosmic kite]

The last mod that popped in told us we sucked and then left. Idk. Maybe not just beginners lounge folk being off topic

[tawdry parrot]

It's really a shame you have moderators with differing ideals on what's acceptable and what is not, allowing individuals to think that they can dismiss moderator instruction.

[simple vine]

would be nice to sort it out within the mod team on what message to communicate throughout.

[celest idol]

That was a joke, just for the record. They didn't mean it

[modern jacinth]

[tawdry parrot]

Pretty much this.

[untold sequoia]

There is no magic number on how much off topic is allowed

[modern jacinth]

just cause i ain't talking doesn't mean i'm gone

[untold sequoia]

And there is more that goes into deciding to stop it than just off topic existing

[pearl halo]

Y’all been at this for an hour now

[fresh cedar]

I would like to point out that this was said because we got extremely horny in #beginner-lounge

[cosmic kite]

Well, I mean sure. But if we're going to bicker about off topic discussion creation and mods being unable to redirect it, while claiming it's an issue, we should probably not encourage it as well. I took no offense. Obvious joke, but just using it as a point of reference to the topic-at-hand

[hoary garden]

Balancing being a community member and being an authority figure is a difficult task throughout, not least of which because every member of the community will have a different reaction to where they think that line sits, and who they think follows it.

[worldly knoll]

Yeah, sometimes shit gets out of hand, and that's when the mods should step in. Things should be judged on a case-by-case basis.

[brazen yacht]

I don't want a magic number just pointing out why it's often not taken seriously. Like i said there is no elegant solution other than just being more on top of things

[untold sequoia]

And they are

Generally if things look inconsistent, its because you're missing context

[celest idol]

I didn't mean to oppose your point, just didn't want it to be misunderstood

[safe mural]

The "off-topic problem" is being greatly exaggerated by some posters here, tbh.

[cosmic kite]

Nah, no big deal. I personally almost never take part in the off-topic discussions and junk. Mainly because I feel older than everyone else in there and I don't have a place in that talk lol

[modern jacinth]

i remember one time an off topic problem was brought up...

it was like

[tawdry parrot]

Are you saying that Channy is exaggerating?

[modern jacinth]

15 minutes worth of conversation at off hours

that happened like

4 hours before

[safe mural]

Loure, to be honest you are exaggerating and are not even a very active participant in the channel.

[tawdry parrot]

Please answer my question. I'm genuinely curious.

[cosmic kite]

I just stumbled into this channel to see a literal page of people talking about off-topic. Figured it was the topic lol

[crude wagon]

The list of banned words is down btw

Carry on

[untold sequoia]

!unmute 167339649751056384

[ancient gale]

Success!

@gray bane has been unmuted by @untold sequoia.

[fossil moss]

Hey unrelated but the document about words that lead to auto Mute is borked. Pls fix it

[untold sequoia]

So fun fact

[gray bane]

yeah I wanted to mention that as well

[untold sequoia]

The second word you asked to be added to the filter was actually recently added

[fresh cedar]

A varied mod team with varying opinions is far better than a hive mind.

You can reach a compromised decision because you have people on both sides.

[thorny lantern]

^

[safe mural]

I answered your question by clarifying that I was mostly referring to your claims. I have no interest in making it into an argument in the feedback channel of all places. The feedback has been taken, disabling myglam in the channel will be considered, information on how we view off-topic discussion was provided. I think it's been fully addressed by now.

[simple vine]

yeah we were the ones who first saw it used and requested it should prolly be in there, thanks for adding it

[tawdry parrot]

I am simply asking if you feel that the statement made by channy was or was not an exaggeration, as he brought up the issue again.

[worthy thistle]

I triggered a bad tangent in beginner lounge once - I got gently swatted for it and never did it again. it's a good system

[modern jacinth]

It's a thing multiple of us on the mod team noticed.

[untold sequoia]

Also we're aware of the issue with the list being down, it should be fixed soon(ish)

[safe mural]

No, as I clarified, I was referring to your statements, not Channy's.

[tawdry parrot]

Thank you.

[gray bane]

but yeah, like I said in my bonked message, I feel like the R slur should be banned too considering there was a fairly recent mute because of it

[untold sequoia]

Yeah it probably should

[normal tinsel]

agree

[fresh cedar]

And yes, I do agree we go off topic quite frequently.

It's easy (at least for me) to get lost in off-topic chatter while nothing is going on.

However we do answer any questions that pop up in the conversations and I do my best to quiet down the off topic for a moment so the answer doesn't get drowned out.

[untold sequoia]

WE'll discuss it internally

[simple vine]

regardless of whatever issue there is with loure I think channy's point bouncing off my message was fair, naturally. I don't have a statement to make on what to do about it but it does get mentioned a lot

[worthy thistle]

I'm surprised it isn't already, ya

[hollow prairie]

i can swat u again if u like

[tawdry parrot]

P much this. Mentioning me is rather irrelevant.

[untold sequoia]

I think this has gone on for much longer than it needed to have

[brazen yacht]

Lyon's point for you is that you have opinions on a channel you don't use when the active users are telling you that's not how things are

[tawdry parrot]

Yes dad.

[modern jacinth]

i spend time just lurking there

[fresh cedar]

Let's not forget internal biases. (Which I'm subject to myself kek)

[modern jacinth]

i don't see a reason to step in unless i got to

lol

[untold sequoia]

If anyone has any new information they'd like to add, feel free to leave it here, otherwise we can leave it here and the team will discuss it internally

[fresh cedar]

Mod team very based
Thank you for the discussion

[tawdry parrot]

Thanks mom, Thanks dad.

[zinc jay]

Can we get an FAQ on picking jobs? It's an extremely common question and ultimately can be a bit annoying to answer when it comes down to subjective criteria.

The FAQ could link to a few different vids on what jobs to play (like larry's vid from shb) or maybe just say how it is ultimately extremely subjective and there's nothing stopping you from playing all jobs or all roles.

[fresh cedar]

Second that

[worthy thistle]

it would be nice to give newbies some gameplay to look at, but the question of which youtube channel to soft-promote might be a problem

I think the main reason people ask is because they think they're getting locked into their choice, tho

[hallow yacht]

As much as i'd like that...i always answer them with the good ol' pick what you think is cool, as there are no wrong choices for starting class

[twin barn]

A lot of people don't end up playing what they think they will. I started in ShB thinking I'd play Paladin and Red Mage. Ended it playing Warrior and Scholar (now Sage)

[zinc jay]

And that can be said in the faq. People ultimately don't usually like that answer though.

[minor kelp]

!faq meta

[ancient gale]

How FFXIV's Meta Works

All jobs are good and viable in all content. The difference between meta and non-meta is minor, to the point that player skill is a significantly more important factor. Play what you enjoy/what interests you most, and you can make it work.

[minor kelp]

genuinely think that's all we need (except I need to be immune from slowmode here too lol)

[hoary garden]

Guess that means the foot's on the other Shue!

[zinc jay]

Nah, it doesn't explain enough.

[hoary garden]

Honestly, I think the simplest answer in the general "what should I pick" case is to provide a link to a broad class overview video—Weskalber and Mr Happy seem to be the ones this community gravitates towards so I see no reason why that can't continue—and gently direct them in the direction of Discussion or Beginner's, since it's not really a question that a help desk is geared to undertake, while those two channels are much more amenable to protracted esoteric topics.

The Meta faq(s) works for anyone asking the usual variations on the "what's the OP classes so I can be OP and all the raiders will ask for me nonstop", and anyone with an actual concept of what they might like is actually assistable by the channel as is.

[versed mauve]

the problem, from my perspective, are those "whats the op class" people. and the meta faq doesnt really have enough explanation imo. i would prefer an faq that gives a tldr of how endgame gameplay works cause ive seen multiple instances of people asking "which class does the ccing, which class is the aoe one, which class is focused on burst, what about a support dps" cause they don't realize that endgame revolves around single target and that all jobs had their cds tweaked to work on a 2 min burst, and that "support" dps only buff people passively and still focus on dealing dmg to the boss, etc etc.

[deft sorrel]

!faq metameme

[ancient gale]

**Do not use this to answer questions**

[versed mauve]

but we cant use that to answer questions

[hoary garden]

Those listed examples can actually be relatively easily handled because they're somewhat specific. The CC one in particular might seem like , but it can easily be addressed with a "crowd control almost never a thing in high end content" and changing gears to PvP, where it very much is. And I can think of decent ways to approach the other ones as well, both from a direct and indirect perspective. "Support dps", for example, might be someone who enjoys midline/assist roles, or might be someone who wants to avoid classes with high-intensity playstyles, so I might recommend Bard/Dancer for the first option, then slide Summoner in as a hands-friendly class.

[versed mauve]

sure but we can either type that out every time or have something that explains the basics of how endgame is structured which would cover like 90% of any other questions people would have

[hoary garden]

Perhaps. But sometimes pointing a person like that at a thing is enough to get them an answer they're open to accepting, letting both of you move on much more quickly.

Full disclosure, if non-serious answers weren't highly frowned-upon in that channel, I'd honestly be directing every "what's the biggest damage class" question to Blue Mage, because ... technically it's true.

And generally the people asking that question type aren't really interested in understanding the game much at all, let alone to the point where they grasp the intent of broad class parity. They typically just want something that they believe they can latch onto quickly and achieve rapid success.

[obsidian verge]

i dont suppose itd be possible for a kupo command to tell you what todays frontline map is?

[turbid kayak]

if there was a thing such as "what's the biggest damage class", then everyone could go 6 of the same class, thinking it "deals the most damage"

[dark hazel]

Question. Are you guys planning on updating the XIVLauncher command to include XIVonMac or something?

[minor kelp]

I'd never heard of it tbh, I know that neither Hank nor I play on mac, in fact I don't know of any staff who do, so it might be difficult to vouch for it like we can with XIVLauncher and personal usage. Do you use it?

[dark hazel]

I played around with it on an M1 MacBook Air. It's pretty much the equivalent of XIVLauncher, right down to the Dalamud plugins and QoL. It also has ACT and GShade installation options as well. I did stress test the game a little bit and it ran better than it did vs. Rosetta 2 because it's a Wine wrapper

[minor kelp]

I'm going to make a post we can pin and link to people for now, see how much it's needed, it's pretty rare comparatively

[worthy thistle]

just curious, what changed in the rules 12 hours ago?

[rich plinth]

I think it was updated for 6.1

[minor kelp]

it may also be related to whale fixing the broken banned word list

[untold sequoia]

The FAQ was most likely made by one of the Balance Mentors, so we don't handle it

Nvm I'm sleepy, I'll look into it

[errant isle]

I don't think the OCE tag has access to #modmail

ok, can confirm i do not see it

[minor kelp]

replicated, couldn't see it either when I switched from Aether to Materia

[ornate pelican]

Fixed

[brave bough]

Is it possible to get some sort of auto correct on kupo bot?

[ornate pelican]

?

[brave bough]

e.g: I type "!faq pldhotbar" when the actual command is "!faq pldhotbars".

[timid pilot]

!faq addalias pldhotbars pldhotbar

[ancient gale]

Error!

No FAQ named pldhotbars exists Kupo!

[timid pilot]

Had a different base name, but I added it as an alias.

[tawdry parrot]

Is it possible to add the ffxiv recruitment server to resources?

Lyon hooked me up with it last night, but I was surprised it wasn't in the list.

[brave bough]

That doesn't necessarily fix the whole issue. It's one command

[minor kelp]

best thing to do is probably create a feature request on the kupo bot gitlab page https://gitlab.com/kupo-bot/KupoBot/-/issues

[night notch]

'Everything is good' doesnt tell you how a job plays or why it is or isnt fun, apologies for ping

[brave bough]

it's up to you to decide if you like a job or not. that's completely subjective

[night notch]

That's not my point

The point is finding a job in the first place and getting ppl hooked for ppl who are literally just starting out.

We used to have the Larry video for this but he hasnt made one for Endwalker
therefore an FAQ on which job to play would be useful purely on a perspective of job identity and fun. Simply just a showcase of what jobs are there in the game and what they do

[untold sequoia]

FAQ's hard a character limit, and tbh I don't think you could properly convey the information in that limit

[fresh cedar]

Could link the 6.0 job trailer in there

[simple vine]

Yeah just write how it’s impossible to just tell you, they can play any job in future, and say they should just choose from which set of pretty effects look cooler.

[zinc jay]

^^^^^

it's seriously annoying to have people ask in #questions-and-help for other people to tell them what job they'd like the most. at the least that would help to more quickly answer those sorts of questions.

[worthy thistle]

every job is viable, but not every job is enjoyable to everyone - which is the part !faq meta glosses over

if a free trial player picked warrior without knowing how tanks work, it could give them a bad first impression

switching jobs to level a new one takes time, too, which a lot of us are poor on these days

[fresh cedar]

Well to be fair, faq Meta DOES say pick what interests you or what you enjoy.

But I would personally change it to just pick what looks cool and include the Job Trailer to show some examples (since we end up linking said video alongside the faq anyways)

[simple vine]

We still can’t tell them exactly what they want without either excessive detail or spending far to much time on them and getting it wrong anyway

[fresh cedar]

Larry needs to hurry up with remaking that shb video

Or anyone at this point

[simple vine]

the best we can do is show them what a job has to offer cosmetically, tell them what choosing a job really entails (not much) and let them decide themselves, especially as it’s been said there’s a char limit on FAQs and we have to work within it.

[worthy thistle]

I haven't tried too many jobs in the game yet, but I could describe them pretty fairly in about 2 sentences each if a newbie asked

[simple vine]

That wouldn’t be an accurate enough description for most of what a job will always entail for them. ‘What job should I play’ is an impossible question to answer accurately so all we should be doing is giving them resources to guess at it themselves.

[worthy thistle]

eg. white mage is the closest job to a pure healer, but also has consistent dps output which you'll be expected to use too. boom ☆

[turbid kayak]

you can't detail every single job in a single faq, the faq would be !faq jobpick page1 !faq jobpick page2 !faq jobpick page 3.

[plain arch]

I feel like people are missing exactly how hard it is to accurately guide a person they don't know nor know what they enjoy into a job they'll be able to enjoy, assuming they even enjoy it.
"Fast melee" isn't even a solid description because that can be MNK which is GCDs for days, RPR which is gauges for days, or DRG which is opener for days, ect.
Then there's the difference between starting out vs endgame jobs.. then there's handling the jobs at the same time as mechanics.. queue times even.. there's no easy answer to this.

"Play what you like" is about as vague as possible while remaining accurate. The only thing I could see to improve it would be adding in to try as many jobs as you can.

[fresh cedar]

Fast Melee is all of them tbh...

Like every single Melee has a fast moment lmao

[plain arch]

I primarily enjoy casters, for example, but I vastly prefer RDM to WHM and BLM.

You may notice that RDM has a distinct lack of casting compared to the other two involved there. Especially as I comparatively hate BLM.

Point is, when people are asking "what should I play" they're asking an open-ended question without an accurate answer. There's too many nuances. No FAQ or anything can fix that.

[worthy thistle]

oh I'm not talking about faqs, I just mean the ease of describing a job if someone asks

an faq for this would need external resources

[simple vine]

All of this nitpicking just goes to show you can’t make statements about these jobs people will agree with and select for someone new to the game. Just say what choosing a job entails and drop what you are signing up for cosmetically, like the 6.0 trailer. Also, you underestimate how many times this question is asked which is specifically why people are requesting a FAQ. It’s something we can’t answer accurately for everyone.

[plain arch]

At the absolute least, yes, but at that point you might as well just punt them over to the Balance, they're the ones with the spreadsheets.

[fresh cedar]

We can throw a faq that has a video which shows some of the effects from the jobs and explains that the game is balanced, while also reminding that you can be all jobs on 1 char

If they start asking specifics like "I'm looking for a class which plays like Dragon Warrior from Guild of Fantasycraft 54" then sure, we can answer that without the faq

[worthy thistle]

wait, you're not recommending spreadsheets for a sprout picking a job right?

[plain arch]

The bot command literally already does all of that. And no, nobody is suggesting spreadsheets for sprouts, the point is they've got all that work already done.

[turbid kayak]

Usually when someone starts the game you do get to only pick 6 at the start. So unless they are specifically looking for a job like ninja, they still need to do content before they get there, to lvl60, or they boosted.

[simple vine]

The ease of describing a job goes far to waste when you look at how many jobs there are, opinions, and how many times we have to deal with this question and struggle over a satisfactory answer.

[plain arch]

This.
Again, I prefer casters. I hate BLM and WHM. I prefer RDM and AST. All of which don't actually do much casting.

[fresh cedar]

The point isn't to be a one all solution to every person
It's to answer the "what job should I pick" question that always pops up and the person not being specific in any way

And the bot command does it without anything else. I would like it at the very least to contain the 6.0 job trailer to SHOW the jobs in the game.

And if another Larry-like video comes out, to have that there to explain the jobs

[simple vine]

None of this is going to stop someone who is planning on ‘maining’ an FFXIV job and wants the ‘best’ one in the future.

[turbid kayak]

So, a FAQ linking to a video + linking to this page? https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/

[waxen root]

Listen, if you approach us with a new FAQ format or something we can easily implement, we will. But doing stuff like videos or write ups take time and effort which not all of us have.

[fresh cedar]

I'm not asking for a new video to be made by the team, merely for the job trailer one to be linked in said faq as it shows off the jobs
Something we end up linking anyways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCVcgZ8dtD0

[simple vine]

I only request a disclaimer to choosing a job not meaning anything, us not being able to say what they’d enjoy the most, the normal no meta disclaimer and then linking the 6.0 job actions trailer for people to judge for themselves what they want to play.

[plain arch]

Job trailers have two problems.
One, they're actually kind of bad for showing how a class functions in combat, they're designed to showcase to people who actually KNOW the classes to a degree beforehand. If you don't, it's all visual fluff. (MNK is an excellent example there.)

Two, they're done at cap. And it is a long road to cap. And many classes cough blm change a lot during leveling. It's not alright. Can't just tell someone 'play X, it's great at 90' when they're not even out of ARR.

[fresh cedar]

The visual fluff is part of why you choose a job in the first place
It looks cool

It can help with making the decision to go with said job

[simple vine]

we can’t do anything else. As said, they can’t do write ups. Nothing about a job below level cap or if you want to nitpick, ultimate level, matters anyway. It’s something to work towards.

[waxen root]

You know what y'all should do? Make a Google doc that covers everything to the detail you guys prefer, and then hand over the shareable link when y'all done. Or poke the balance about making an introduction page.

[rich plinth]

people arent reading a probably long google doc

[fresh cedar]

Fucking b e t
#beginner-lounge makes a doc story arc

[worthy thistle]

I think they might tbh, that doesn't sound like a bad idea

[plain arch]

It looking cool doesn't change it feeling decidedly less cool. DRG looks cool to me. Doesn't mean I enjoy it at all. That's half an equation, and returns to my point of 'you can't predict what they'll like.'

And I know we can't. I've been stating from the start options are rather heavily limited here

[waxen root]

Its easy to implement FAQs on our end. It's the whole "writing something" part that's hard and requires a lot of details that aren't immediately obvious to a new player. Stuff like "why can't I play expansion job" or "am I locked in"

[fresh cedar]

Yes. Half an equation. That's vastly more than none of it. That's the point. It's SOMETHING.

We can show them the jobs and they can go "this looks dope. I wanna play this"
And go from there

[turbid kayak]

oh man, if there was only a site that would detail where you unlock the jobs and details the actions. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/

[simple vine]

I just wanted something that would be a coverall response and non subjective tbh. It’s a TLDR we can’t answer your question as to what job you will enjoy.

[rocky cloak]

imo it's ok if to someone a job doesn't turn out to be as cool as it initially looked - it takes a short time to change jobs and explore (just a little longer for expansion-specific ones)

[plain arch]

Giving someone who's just starting out half an answer and forcing them into that half-answer for 20 levels isn't helpful if they don't enjoy it, and it's even less helpful if that visual shenaniganery isn't until the last 10 levels or so. It just makes people feel lied to and locked in.

[zinc jay]

I'm not asking for a lengthy document or flowchart on finding a class. I'm asking for a simple faq that says "no, we cannot tell you what you'll like, try everything, experiment, no reason not to since you can easily play every job."

A lengthy document to answer that question would be excessive.

[fresh cedar]

Get to level 15
Switch
Congrats, fixed...

[plain arch]

Get to level 15 = time, all of which is very boring MSQ
Switching returns you to point A of "what do I play"
In other words, you're back to square 1 and back to a grind to boot

[waxen root]

If you could write out what you'd like the FAQ name and the short paragraph it can contain, I can implement it ASAP

[worthy thistle]

I might put together an editable draft with pictures later, if people are interested

[timid pilot]

Only one picture per faq if you want it to display, Otherwise it’ll just be a link

[plain arch]

Worth a shot, if anything. The biggest problem is classes get complex. Short FAQs don't really.. work with that.

[zinc jay]

"faq pickmyjob or jobpick"

"We cannot decide what job you will like the most for you. As you can play every job on one character, we recommend trying them all. In addition, all jobs are viable in endgame content, so pick whichever one you like the most aesthetically."

Something like that?

[worthy thistle]

complexity is okay, I think people are mainly just interested in the rough vibe/action flow they should expect from a job

[simple vine]

Would be good to link the lodestone to all jobs and the job trailer imo, and that’s what you can leave it at.

[zinc jay]

Yeah this, add it onto my suggestion

Ultimately a lengthy document would just put anyone off entirely from reading it.

[plain arch]

Ofc, my point is if we're trying to do a summary thing even on a google doc it's gonna get real wordy real fast if we're retaining accuracy.

[fresh cedar]

(and throw these at the end)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCVcgZ8dtD0

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/

[simple vine]

Damn I wanted to submit mine first lol

XIV has many jobs and we can’t guess which one would be best for you. However, it’s easy to switch and play all jobs on one character, so you can just take your pick. Here’s a job trailer of all our jobs at level 90, just choose your favourite looking one and see how it goes - if it’s not for you right off the bat you can always try another!

[worthy thistle]

honestly, verbosity isn't what a new player would want to read, so you'd have to cut it down to the most critical points

[zinc jay]

I'd suggest going with iddy's instead @waxen root, they're a better writer than me

[plain arch]

Yeah, we're on the same page there. But again, try and keep that in line with like.. I don't know, Bard or Dragoon.

Or, god forbid, AST.

[fresh cedar]

Card go brrrrrrrr

[worthy thistle]

maybe a breakdown of how the job evolves every 10 levels would be enlightening, too

[plain arch]

Now BLM would like a word.

[simple vine]

that’s… gotta be wordy as hell and shit like saying ‘it’s like yugioh’ leads to people being disillusioned when they find out it’s not really. That.

[crude wagon]

I honestly think just a basic “whatever looks cooler works for you, you can have all jobs at any time, there is no error in trying” is better than trying to go too much in depth for a quick read of a FAQ

[turbid kayak]

you go to #resources and find "blm guide", you do not need to know how all classes improve on each 10th level to pick your job

[fresh cedar]

Far too much wording

[zinc jay]

that is extremely excessive. what iddy said works fine.

[plain arch]

I'm scootin elsewhere as I hopefully have pointed out this is a significantly more complex issue than people are thinking. "Simple on paper" doesn't mean simple in practice, especially in a game where classes regularly get 20+ buttons to push.

[umbral fog]

Please keep in mind there is a LIMIT to how much info we can put into 1 FAQ. suggesting how each job changes at every 10 levels is fucking overkill for an FAQ you are asking for that is already subjective

[worthy thistle]

my motivation to prove you all wrong is growing

I'm sure one of us will find a solution that works well for everyone, anyway

[fresh cedar]

No reason to overcomplicate

Id's quick paragraph with a link to the job action trailer works just fine for the purpose imo

And the faq is there to make answering the question easier. In the end, it's still up to the person to pick a job. We're just showing off some pointers so they have SOMETHING to work with

[zinc jay]

[simple vine]

if there’s questions about meta after this one we have meta faqs already so I don’t see why it wouldn’t work

[fresh cedar]

You're not proving anyone wrong. You CANNOT explain all jobs without effectively throwing !faq newplayertips at the dude

[night notch]

Just add 'everything is viable. please dont ask about meta' thing at the end of iddy's faq message

[half vigil]

Hey. This is #discord-feedback not another discussion channel. You've all had your chance to speak if you want to discuss this further take it into an actual discussion channel

[simple vine]

XIV has many jobs and we can’t guess which one would be best for you. However, it’s easy to switch and play all jobs on one character, so you can just take your pick (and all jobs are viable in content too). Here’s a job trailer of all our jobs at level 90, just choose your favourite looking one and see how it goes - if it’s not for you right off the bat you can always try another! (Link to lodestone guide.) (link to job trailer video)

[crude wagon]

When it’s aimed toward beginners I really think it should be something to ease them in into knowing there isn’t a wrong choice, and they have the liberty to try whatever looks cool at first and if they don’t give with it, go pick something else.
A.K.A no real answer, enjoy and try what you want
This is what I think a FAQ should encompass.

[half vigil]

!faq jobpick y'all smell have a good day

[ancient gale]

Which job should I play given that I like X and Y?

XIV has many jobs and we cannot guess which one would be best for you. However, it is easy to switch and play all jobs on one character, so you can just take your pick. No matter your choice, all jobs are viable in content. Here is a job trailer of all our jobs at level 90, just choose your favourite looking one and see how it goes. If it is not for you right off the bat you can always try another!
Also click here for an official job skill write up for every job

[simple vine]

you smell as well tyvm

[plain arch]

[spare onyx]

In #612757637813239808, I don't see a reaction for healer, nor can I add it to the post.

[hallow yacht]

try the #860652505117753384 regular one

[spare onyx]

Thank you! I did just that ^^

[tawdry parrot]

Can we perhaps have a pin similar to this one in rants stating something similar in beginners lounge?

The very open and outward hostility is worse in that particular channel than in rants and end game discussion, alone.

#rants message

[vivid raft]

do you have any examples of said hostility that can maybe help regulars know whats going on better

[tawdry parrot]

Calling people toe nail biters for one thing is pretty nasty, imo. Rather uncalled for.

[modern stream]

well in all fairness, I haven't seen that more than that one time earlier, so idk why you brought it up like it was a reccuring thing

[gray nexus]

Also,, people occasionally talk about endgame stuff like savage it happens the chat isn't just filled with newbies if it turns into minmaxing talk we also either stop the convo or direct people elsewhere

[vivid raft]

perhaps a #raid-discussion channel may be better suited for dedicated raid talking?

[zinc jay]

ah yes, do you mean #endgame-lounge

[vivid raft]

totally forgot that existed lol

[sturdy charm]

I also don't know how much a pin would help exactly, there's always going to be people not reading/ignoring it. You can always use #discord-modmail if you think something is hostile or offensive

[zinc jay]

That's definitely an option but it's frustrating when users can't self-regulate.

Should be made a kupo bot message and I think slow mode should be semi-perma there.

[fresh cedar]

If they can't self-regulate, they'll be given punishments
sucks to be them

[tawdry parrot]

Kupo would definitely be more effective, I think. Good. Idea.

[vivid raft]

the channel itself isn't really an issue, i've never faced open hostility so often that its problematic, i mean you got your usual arguments and friendly bicker here and there but you dont get people that start arguments everyday

[celest idol]

that'd be uncalled for in any channel and therefore any channel would require such a pin

from what the mods said beginner lounge is actually less of an issue (on average) than other channels so I'm not really sure why we'd need a pin there specifically

Of course I do agree, it's not really the place for hardcore endgame talk. But also can be, new players can step into savage or extreme for the first time and may be asking for strats, that's within the scope of the channel.

[fresh cedar]

Also I don't see how slow mode would help stop certain topics. Or hostility.

[tall cradle]

as a new player i appreciate learning about like hardcore endgame content so i wont be a fish out of water when i finish msq... i kinda know what to aim for when im done with my msq :D

[zinc jay]

#beginner-lounge as it is suffers from people using it as a clique-y space. The sprouts and beginners that ultimately would use it do not because of that.

The pin is warranted because of this - though the mods may not have noticed it as an issue as much that doesn't mean it shouldn't need to be addressed.

And slow mode benefited #archived-lore-spoilers. Don't see why it wouldn't benefit #beginner-lounge.

[celest idol]

You will have cliques like that in any given channel with decent activity, there is no way to stop it unless you hardcore moderate it 24/7

[tawdry parrot]

I also do want to point out the absolute dog piling to any sort of suggestion made towards that channel.

[celest idol]

Fair, though what else are people who like the lounge as is to do? It's not nice, but at the same time one could point out how you are barely even active in that channel and only turn up to complain about.

Actually, related to that because I am genuinely curious. Are you a beginner and feel alienated?

But for the record I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the criticism, there are valid points in there. I doubt such a pin would fix them though and I also think you are exaggerating as to how big of an issue they are

[misty kernel]

This is a pointless conversation. From my perspective, mods have to intervene all the time in #beginner-lounge because there is hostility and inflated egos. If you say ANYTHING negative about that channel, then people get mad. Cliques happen yes but its to the point of toxicity in that channel. Its almost like you cant have an opinion without someone who's a regular there coming at your throat. (My opinion and perspective)

[half vigil]

👀 I do once again strongly remind everyone here that this channel is for feedback and is not necessarily appropriate for open discussions on the issues of the server. The feedback is valuable but the shitfest is not.

[fresh cedar]

mods intervene, people get punished, hopefully they learn
if not, they get a more severe punishment next time it happens

[celest idol]

Good point since prolly every mod gets pinged but such discussions are not without value tbh. Where else to conduct them?

[brazen remnant]

Is the Home channel manually activated in Discord or does it automatically appear at the top of all channels here?

[timid pilot]

Home channel?

[brazen remnant]

It’s sitting at the top here and it’s pulling random chat messages you can directly go to from various channels, some being like a day or more old (also please ignore the muted categories, I had them off while I was trying to progress the storyline without spoiling myself in any way)

[timid pilot]

Not seeing it on my end, at least for iPad. Guess it’s a new feature

[hallow yacht]

not on my PC

[minor kelp]

Not on my android client

[brazen remnant]

Ah so it’s a user thing and not a server setting, that clears it up

[jagged egret]

I see it on iPhone but yeah. Seems it’s a new feature that’s still rolling out

[worthy thistle]

good feature tbh, I have to stare at some servers for 5 seconds just to remember what they named their rules channel

not naming any names

[ornate pelican]

Ah I haven’t set it up yet

Forgot they made that live today

[ornate pelican]

Ok I think I've curated the list

[normal skiff]

Good morning! Would it be possible to consider adding a channel where people can discuss books? We have one for art and music in the miscellaneous section, but a place where people can talk about their favorite books would be great.

[normal tinsel]

^ would be cool

[misty kernel]

I'd say make a thread in #not-ffxiv-discussion

There's too many channels in this discord and anymore would be channel bloat

[rich plinth]

i dont think you did

and

[brazen remnant]

If you hold/right click the Home channel it should say “Give Feedback”, because it looks like Admins can only select the channels it suggests, not the messages it pulls from them? But the feedback takes you to a Discord form/survey you can fill out about what it’s automatically suggesting

[ornate pelican]

This is correct. We only choose to opt out channels. We don’t get to pick what shows but we can remove things which get added

[fair pasture]

I think that a housing channel where people could post screenshots would be pretty neat c:

[rich plinth]

#ffxiv-screenshots

[rich plinth]

include the balance website in !faq thebalance
think this is it: https://www.thebalanceffxiv.com

[brave bough]

the balance website doesn't really provide any information the discord doesn't. If it does, it's usually just linked in the resource channels.

[rich plinth]

the website is still a valid tool and probably easier to read for a lot of people including myself

[brave bough]

i personally think it's a lot harder to read. Also it's the first thing that pops up when you put "the balance ffxiv" into your search bar

[rich plinth]

or we can use the faq to say "hey, you should use this" as not everyone knows what the balance is

[waxen root]

This is feedback, not discussion, but information should really be on a website instead of a discord server regardless

[autumn parrot]

I will say if it's added to keep in mind the website isn't as up to date as the discord

[untold sequoia]

!faq balance

[ancient gale]

The Balance

Discord
Website

[untold sequoia]

Done

[worldly knoll]

Mod team, please make these actual server emotes.
They're official FFXIV x Pusheen iMessage stickers.

[fiery shuttle]

💕

[untold sequoia]

They'd probably work better as stickers

Though the lack of a transparent background is a bummer

[timid pilot]

I think we have a few as emojis already, too

NVM just looks like

[untold sequoia]

Hmm

The sticker pack is being sold for real money, might not be worth dealing with the legal morality of using them possibly

[tulip lava]

Yeah unless they've been released for public consumption, like the Fan Kit, then it gets pretty murky

Same reason we opted not to use the icons from the Companion App when Discord Stickers first launched

Luckily we had a huge selection of fanart that Miriam had done for us over the years to use for stickers

[cosmic drift]

praise miriam indeed.

[sacred turret]

could someone direct me or assist me with getting kupo bot set up? Im on the dashboard but dont really see an interface where I can change prefix - set up the channel its allowed to talk in ect. I dont want it for modding or anything else just FF stuff in a specific channel. TIA

[untold sequoia]

!faq supportkupo

Tsk

Thats not the right link

!faq kupohelp

[ancient gale]

Kupo Bot Command Documentation + Discord link

https://gitlab.com/kupo-bot/KupoBot/-/wikis/home

Kupo Bot Support Discord Server

[untold sequoia]

Your best bet would be to ask over on the support Discord

[sacred turret]

ah okay thank you

[violet rampart]

Did some setting change? If I click on a channel on this server, then log out for the night, when I log back in and click on this server, I end up on some strange Home page instead of the channel I was on the night before. It only happens on this server. (And if it is a setting that changed, am I able to disable it?)

[untold sequoia]

Unfortunately thats a Discord feature being slowly rolled out to servers, iirc there is no way to disable it

[violet rampart]

Ah drat (but also not surprising). Thanks!

[small gorge]

Why is there two caster roles?

[worthy thistle]

Hm, on that note, healer role seems to be missing from #612757637813239808 too

[tawdry parrot]

Can we keep the current banner? It's adorable.

[ornate pelican]

It'll probably stay until 6.4

[tawdry parrot]

!

Yay. Wait. How long until 6.4?

[spark elm]

Every big patch is about 4 months.

So about a year.

[tawdry parrot]

Oh sweet. That's awesome.

[spark elm]

6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4.

Those are the big patches.

They come with more MSQ, things of that nature.

[median jolt]

I'm glad people are liking the icon and banners! If you would like to see the full size versions of them, you can find them on my twitter (with links to my pixiv, where you can see all versions of the carrot-holders): https://twitter.com/OlivinePeridot/status/1531456318405754881 https://twitter.com/OlivinePeridot/status/1531458604901232640

Miriam (Carnelian Peridot) 🌻 スーパー モンク (@OlivinePeridot)

Moogle Pride 2022 (Icon) #ff14 #ffxiv #モーグリ #endwalker #レポリット #ゲイ・プライド #プライド https://t.co/BuFxdrBHhN

Twitter · May 31, 2022, 2:03 AM

Miriam (Carnelian Peridot) 🌻 スーパー モンク (@OlivinePeridot)

Loporrit Pride 2022 (Banner) #ff14 #ffxiv #endwalker #プライド #レポリット #ゲイ・プライド https://t.co/0c0H7moabM

Twitter · May 31, 2022, 2:12 AM

[gusty sphinx]

There's no healer role selector in #612757637813239808 . Not #860652505117753384 which does have one, #612757637813239808 does not.

[ornate pelican]

!reactions repopulate 842528908560564255

[ancient gale]

Success!

Message 842528908560564255 has been repopulated.

[worthy thistle]

Thanks eanae! Do you know if is intentional as well?

I just tapped on Caster and received the same double role

[ornate pelican]

Not intentional. I messed up a long time ago and it's too deep to fix it now.

[timid pilot]

The forbidden 2nd caster role.

[brittle thicket]

Dualcaster, one might say.

[dusk igloo]

the rare and dangerous verrole

[winter mountain]

Please update !reset to include house entry and result period as well 🙇‍♂️

[winter mountain]

or does it have to be a new command since the timeframe works differently? 🤔

[harsh prism]

Can there be an automated kupo in #questions-and-help to remind people to be respectful? Not great to be belittled by even one of the Mentors

[half vigil]

There is already an automated message. If you're experiencing difficulties or a bad time in the channel feel free to send us a #discord-modmail about it and we can look into it.

[untold sequoia]

You were not belittled by a Mentor

[half vigil]

Not really where I'd like the conversation to take place regardless. So @harsh prism #discord-modmail

Do not reply here

[harsh prism]

I have 500 more characters than non-nitro allows. Should I put something akin to (Part 1) and then send the rest to the reply?

[half vigil]

Just send another message into modmail

[harsh prism]

Sent in three parts, seems kupo bot had an even smaller limit 😅

[smoky mortar]

Just wanna say thanks for the discord the people here have been a lot of help

[vivid raft]

can we make this a !faq
lyon made this and its pretty useful visually

[whole abyss]

Totally agree ^

[junior plume]

i agree^

[untold sequoia]

!faq tabtarget

[ancient gale]

Different styles of targetting as illustrated by Lyon

[safe mural]

oh dear

[untold sequoia]

Please direct all complaints about thr FAQ to Lyon k thx

[safe mural]

immortalised.

[timid pilot]

Noticed that !maint isn’t currently set up for 6.15

[tulip lava]

Fixed (:

[burnt rover]

Is there any way to directly tell KupoBot to ignore all commands given in a single channel, or do i have to manually set up every command in a channel?

[charred crest]

did kupo bot broke why does !me show me in artifact gear but my avg iL is 80???

see below

[hoary garden]

Because that's what the Lodestone currently shows, and Kupo pulls from Lodestone.

The Lodestone doesn't update instantly. It'll refresh itself at some point, and when it does Kupo will return that information.

[charred crest]

but uh there's no way to glam artifact onto iL80

like its physically impossible cuz glammed gear must be higher or equal to glam itself

[charred crest]

...

[hoary garden]

Kupo is only returning what the Lodestone is saying exists lol

[charred crest]

lodestone being weird then ok i guess lol all these updates to lodestone and it still be weird

[carmine rivet]

The lodestone refreshes the game data every few hours.
It currently hasnt refreshed the items
That's just how its programmed

[charred crest]

even if it refreshes late, iits showing some impossible info cuz like i said, the game doesnt let u glam lv60 onto lv50

[carmine rivet]

It doesn't refresh everything at the same time.
It has the appearance data but not the item data.
Just wait a few hours

[karmic geode]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[winter mountain]

Regarding this, is it possible?

Since it's counted as weekly thing now

[cyan leaf]

it's not rly weekly, 5 days to bid and 4 days to claim so a season is 9 days so would probably be a pain to set up

[sturdy charm]

I suggested it in the kupo discord and eanea said they'll look into it but will probably be a lot of manual input so we'll see

[winter mountain]

ty ty

[brave bough]

kupo bot embed for !me rn seems broken. Tried on multiple different servers and have seen this happen with other characters as well. Embed is back to an older design instead of the more detailed version

[ornate pelican]

Fixed

[brave bough]

👍

[carmine rivet]

How about renaming the event channels with something with "server" or "discord" in the titles? They seem to confuse a bit

[cosmic drift]

This is done

[zinc jay]

Could we maybe get a rule or a mention in the rules about "white knighting" other users? By that I mean people who appear specifically to defend or argue with mods/mentors about the punishments that other users have already received. It's becoming annoyingly common in #archived-lore-spoilers and I've seen it occur in other channels as well.

It doesn't just prevent conversations/channels from moving on but it also generally contributes to a more hostile atmosphere in general. In addition this doesn't necessarily fit under other rules in that people may not receive actually meaningful punishments beyond a short mute.

Also it would be nice if we could get the slow mode there lowered to 10 or 5 seconds. Twenty seconds is a bit much at this point and it's often fairly disruptive, and is just slightly too long for to be able to engage in some conversations/topics.

Like I absolutely do agree that slow mode does help to slow the pace of conversations a bit but I think 20 seconds is just too much. I still think the same effect would be achieved with a lower slow mode.

[surreal shuttle]

Any disagreement about moderator actions should be taken to #discord-modmail . If they continue to use public channels to combat the action, that is grounds for further action. This has always been how we operated concerning these cases; we have always been pretty insistent on pushing people to modmail so I don’t think a rule specifically for this is necessary, especially since there is text saying to take grievances to modmail already in #about-this-server

[zinc jay]

I believe i've mentioned it before in modmail and despite it being repeated behavior by some users no real action has been taken beyond the one hour mutes put on them by mentors. and that has not dissuaded said behavior, so clearly just mutes are not working.

[surreal shuttle]

If that’s the case then we can discuss it internally and reconfigure our priority for watching channels. The channels we watch more often shift around from time to time depending on circumstances and if it’s time we start sitting in #archived-lore-spoilers more than we usually do then that can be discussed and changed very easily. Again, since there is something in #about-this-server for this kind of situation already editing it again probably isn’t necessary; we’ll just have to focus more attention on watching #archived-lore-spoilers . And ofc as always pings and modmails will help us respond as well

[zinc jay]

Then, if you're going to watch lore spoilers more can y'all consider shortening the timer as well, for the reasons I mentioned above? more mod oversight would be a good tradeoff for a 5 second timer, even.

[surreal shuttle]

This can be discussed internally but I can’t give you any guarantees on that at this time

[rich plinth]

reopen the asmongold channel

[surreal shuttle]

For now the server will be left as is. Depending on how discussion goes we will adjust things

[obsidian verge]

reopen the asmongold channel

[worthy thistle]

there was an asmongold channel?

reopen the asmongold channel

[untold sequoia]

If we feel the need to open it, we will, but so far the traffic hasn't been bad enough to warrant it

[wheat shuttle]

Hey, can we not wipe announcement posts of reacts? It’s disingenuous and serves as a means to sweep people’s frustrations under the rug, and instead can encourage people to vent those same frustrations into the channels 🙃

[night notch]

Hey, I know you arent too happy about people flooding your announcement with clown reacts, so I'll remove them by rewriting your post so that it doesn't sound cold and heartless, the way the post stands right now:

"We support peoples' reproductive rights and bodily autonomy and we express sympathy for all affected by this. That said, we would ask you to respect our no politics/controversial topic rule. Thank you."

This also applies to the country east of Romania. Instead of coldly stating NO POLITICS, consider expressing sympathy first. The ambiguity of the moderation team's opinion on this particular issue, when it impacts so many, does more harm than good.

Thank you

[ornate pelican]

Yeah i deleted that shit

And fixed it

Sorry the announcement was insensitive

[zinc jay]

Thank you, now I feel a little safer in this server that you've fixed that.

[night notch]

Thank you. I agree with Sen.

[ornate pelican]

I’ll fix the policies which allowed that announcement to go up

I’ve been away due to my mental health and that kind of slipped by me

[night notch]

Thank you. Just fixing the announcement was enough but I'm glad you're making more change than just that. It's amazing to see

[zinc jay]

It's alright, this is a shitty time of year. I do hope you work to make new changes and they stick.

My other suggestion was that, if someone gets actioned for something pro-reproductive rights, that they should not have as serious a punishment as the opposite. I do realize your rules are about political neutrality but I do think there is a more correct opinion to have in this case.

[ornate pelican]

There’s no permanent punishment for talking about it

I don’t even think it adds a warning

Unless mods have been formally warning people

And the rules aren’t about political neutrality

To be blunt fuck republicans, fuck the Supreme Court, fuck Donald Trump

The rules exist because politics are a nightmare to moderate

[zinc jay]

i've seen warns for politics over the last few months.

[ornate pelican]

So it’s easier to just leave them off the server

Discord is a large platform

It’s not hard to find a server to discuss current events

I’d prefer to leave ours for ffxiv

[zinc jay]

for sure and i absolutely respect that. it's just ultimately in my experience (and i'm sure i'm talking for a lot of people in this discord when i say this) having a no politics rule is often a bad sign, of shielding bad opinions or labeling LGBTQ issues etc as politics. I absolutely appreciate you taking a stand on this issue. it's refreshing. and i have more confidence in the mod team going forward now that you're back around.

[ornate pelican]

I mean

If people want to label the server owned by a bisexual trans woman as homophobic they’re welcome to do so?

The rules aren’t there to shelter assholes

As evidenced by we ban homophones and transphobes on first offenses

[minor kelp]

have you not seen how many people who've been banned for shitty views this pride month especially?

[crude wagon]

If they’ve been away due to mental health how do you think she’d see it ?

[rich plinth]

rule does make sense, but the previous announcement looked pretty bad
ty for putting a much better one

[tawdry parrot]

Thank you, Eanae for the announcement and for making an adjustment to your policies.

Also very happy that we got a woman's take on the issue.

[ornate pelican]

There’s no adjustment in policies. Just a bit less tone deaf in applying them.

[tawdry parrot]

Ah, I see I see. Thank you very much regardless.

[woven wraith]

Improvement Suggestion: #beginner-lounge More Sprout/Beginner friendly rather than a second #general-discussion room as it seems to be

[ornate pelican]

This is something on my todo list. Thanks.

[woven wraith]

[hoary garden]

Well, the primary problem with your concern is that the particular issue supported by the server admin in this case is and should be recognised as a moderate stance.

[plucky niche]

The announcement does not mention a political party. As it says, the stances the server chooses to take are those of basic decency and anyone who doesn't agree is quite rightfully not welcome

[minor kelp]

Eanae said that in this channel, not the announcement. Either way, she has my full support.

[waxen root]

The point being is that if you want honest, extended conversation about the topic, we recommend you find a different discord channel for that. We've already got our hands full with everything around FFXIV already, throwing current events on top of that is, quite simply, a nightmare.

[zinc jay]

LGBTQ+ rights are also not political, either.

[fresh cedar]

Can we get a channel where we can pat the staff

[worthy thistle]

can confirm, most people outside the US consider roasting them to be a very moderate activity

[hoary garden]

Then you should have thought about that when you decided to say there was a "moderate" position somewhere in the middle of this issue. You can say what you want about "I didn't want to start a fire", but that doesn't mean anything when you came in with the wood, poured the starter fluid, and lit the match.

[tawdry parrot]

<@&100464652139368448> So, it seems that human rights are political. Can we get a squash on this? Thanks.

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for Insizer#3177

@pale inlet has been banned by Yen#1904 for the following reason:

Take your political hot takes somewhere else please.

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[zinc jay]

Thank you.

[deft sorrel]

!slowmode 3600

[ancient gale]

Success!

Slowmode Updated to 3600, Kupo!

[misty kernel]

The whole ideal of what Eanae posted is they want to keep this discord apolitical. If you want to discuss politics do it elsewhere. This is discord for games, primarily ff14. Take your political crap elsewhere.

[tawdry parrot]

Ty Yen.

[deft sorrel]

I recommend that if you are considering continuing what was brought up earlier... that you find something better to do with your time. Thank you.

[fresh cedar]

So about that patting channel

[deft sorrel]

I'll think about it.

https://tenor.com/view/resume-shred-gif-13992096

[timid pilot]

Carefully approach a mod in the wild and then gently pet them.

They probably don’t bite.

[wise musk]

[ornate pelican]

Correct. I can tell you the mod team is extremely liberal and leans very very left and straight people are even a minority among us. I know at one point the subreddit had more women moderators than men.

[timid pilot]

Yeah we probably only have like 2 or 3 straight white guys. Could probably use another as a diversity hire. /s

[ornate pelican]

!slowmode 60

[ancient gale]

Success!

Slowmode Updated to 60, Kupo!

[tawdry parrot]

Hello.
Is it possible to not normalize misgendering people when their about me and their nickname clearly state their pronouns?

There seems to be a point of contention where moderators are above such things.

#archived-lore-spoilers message

Also, to clarify :
Prior, and even in the mute message, it had the pronouns clearly and visibly stated.

[deft sorrel]

Hey there. It looks to me this was a simple error, but we'll have a discussion with the moderator in question and discuss this with the team.

[tawdry parrot]

Thank you, Yen. I appreciate you.

[surreal shuttle]

I hope this means something to the people who read the initial announcement and were upset by it. It will hopefully sound better coming from the one most responsible for it appearing the way it did. Every single person on the moderator team cares about this issue and are worried about the people it affects. I would vouch for every single one of them and I hope that they would vouch for me. There is not a single decision that we make as a team that comes from a place of disrespecting or neglecting community members who are in vulnerable groups.

It is pretty well known that the vast majority of the team is a member of the LGBTQ+ community; I am one of the few who isn’t one. I like to consider myself an ally and I try to moderate in such a way that ensures that every single community member feels safe in being themselves.

While the announcement was vetted internally, the tone-deaf way it was phrased is mostly my responsibility. If you read that announcement and felt this server became more of an unsafe place because of it, I want you to know that was never my intent in writing it. I feel like an apology would be a bit cheap at this point, so I would rather say that, in the future, I will try to listen more closely to the needs of the community and show more empathy as a moderator than what that announcement conveyed.

Thank you. Reproductive rights are human rights.

[modest ruin]

Shouldn't this be better fit for the #announcements channel? More likely for people to miss your message here then if it was posted there

[surreal shuttle]

It is my opinion that Eanae’s announcement should be the immediately most visible one for the time being. Additionally, my message above was written on my own without any input from my colleagues. Anything we put in #announcements that isn’t coming from an admin has to be looked over and agreed upon internally. I preferred that this message be a personal one from myself rather than an official statement that we would put in that channel as a team

[surreal shuttle]

Oh. Thanks Sarnai. You didn’t have to do that

[wise musk]

[ornate pelican]

I’d like to note this is a new policy after yesterday that admins must finalize all announcements.

[worthy thistle]

I didn't see the original post, but you sound like a very thoughtful person when it comes to other people's feelings @surreal shuttle

I'm sure nobody holds it against you!

[prisma monolith]

Hi. I'm just a humble person, totally not a dweeb, unlike a lot of people that are trying to gaslight me into believe that I am a dweeb. It is possible to have an #anime channel? Not because I am a dweeb, obviously.

[untold sequoia]

We could make it a thread under #not-ffxiv-discussion

[vivid raft]

i believe part of the issue here stems not only from the off topic stuff but also the frequent raid talk people end up discussing in depth

like, i get it if you want to explain to a beginner what raiding is like but you dont need to talk 20 minutes about parsing which newbies dont really know much about lol

[woven wraith]

that was sorta my point (At least when the conversation gets dominated by it for extended time). But this isn't the place for it.

[untold sequoia]

We can look into it, but finding a place to draw the line can be difficult, but if veteran players are hogging the channel and talking about topics that new players can't really engage in, its a problem

[woven wraith]

thats exactally the point I was trying to get accross earlier today in that room. heh. I'm not a new player myself..but alot of stuff is new to me in FFXIV still..and even I was feeling like "oh jeez. can I actually ask about this stuff or are they just gonna tell me to get better at the game". Thank you Mods and Admins, I do appreciate the feedback. I will leave it at that gratefully

[hollow prairie]

Of course, questions about the game is welcomed for any player, regardless if they've been in-game for years. We're not all savants of information. If you get any response that are similar to the second one, we urge you to send a ticket.

[untold sequoia]

While some problems can be boiled down to basically just "git gud" if people are being asses about it, feel free to open a modmail about it

[woven wraith]

[whole abyss]

I have to agree, as a long time user of the lounge, a number of users fall into this category. But yea like what meara said, a modmail can definitely be opened. I just carry on to help the newbie anyway
Talking about "gitgud" answers btw, instances which are clearly condescending

[half vigil]

I do acknowledge that the endgame optimization discussion has been seen to go out of hand at lot, and as one of the mods that frequents that channel, I do try to push it towards #endgame-lounge, but I am also not absolved of guilt for also pushing the discussion. That said, like you've mentioned, you can always still be a beginner at the numerous things to do in XIV, so I think that there is some leeway to discussing endgame in the channel. We will closely monitor it to the best of our abilities, and reel it in as necessary. Your tickets to #discord-modmail are always appreciated in situations we do not catch.

[tawdry parrot]

Basic human rights isn't a political topic. : ) But the door is over there to use if you don't like Eanae's announcement.

[rich plinth]

then leave

[plucky niche]

Nobody asked. Basic human rights aren't political

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for madmike#9862

@peak laurel has been banned by Channy#8761 for the following reason:

Rule 4. People's rights aren't political but there is political discourse and current events surrounding the issue which is why its not allowed for discussion

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[tawdry parrot]

Based Channy.

[ornate pelican]

Love when the trash takes itself out.

[minor kelp]

suggestion: give mentors log access so we can see what dickheads say to get banned

[neat sparrow]

Arnt logs up for transparency? Or not on this

[minor kelp]

not deleted messages

[untold sequoia]

Deleted message: "I have trash opinions"

[thorny lantern]

I do not think they're worth bringing up or seeing to be honest. Most of the messages of those that get banned are fairly inflammatory or break the rules in several ways.

[tawdry parrot]

Amen.

[minor kelp]

sorry, I didn't expect my comment would be taken seriously, it was intended to be obviously flippant

[twin barn]

I advise a friend who has similar problems regarding a decently active (not by your standards) discord and I concur with not leaving it up. They tried that and it failed because bad faith actors work in the realm of plausible deniability and usually don't leave a "slam dunk" moment of rule breaking, which often requires context and history to unpack. They will then point at the tolerance limit being passed on a middle-ground provocative "just asking questions" moment that is really the culmination of an extensive, dishonest campaign.

TL;DR full log transparency a good concept but a difficult realistic implementation.

[untold sequoia]

Also if the deleted messages log was public facing, it would defeat the entire point of deleting messages

But regardless, the suggestion was said in jest

[twin barn]

Yeah I figured. I just wanted to put my 2c in as someone who has seen it tried and failed simply because disingenuous actors will use any wiggle room to circumvent moderation.

[worthy thistle]

"just asking questions" should be an automute phrase based on my experience

[obsidian verge]

i asked about this like two years ago but i really miss when we had a dedicated music channel
its all a bunch of links no one clicks on and its impossible to see the music people are sharing if any cause its Mostly stream links
id like to share music but im discouraged to cause its gonna get drowned out

[worthy thistle]

have we ever had a jukebox channel here? it would make a nice alternative to the old voice channels

discord has that new feature where VCs have a built-in chat now, too

[minor kelp]

maybe a #music thread inside #109114589341306880

[twin barn]

I think a jukebox would be too crazy for a server of this size. I've seen it get overwhelmed on a server a tenth the size of this one. Though you might solve that with limitations or restrictions.

[worthy thistle]

yeah, just setting a cap of 20 users solves that issue

[half vigil]

Absolutely not. Having to consider how to moderate a channel where users could play what they want sounds like a very very bad time.

[worthy thistle]

you can solve that problem with a jukebox role too

[twin barn]

Alexa, play "Avenue q - the internet is for porn"

[misty kernel]

Have some of you ever considered making a server of your own for the things you want? Music channel in a server with over 1k people is a nightmare to mod and manage. Similar reason why we don't have voice channels anymore. Listen to Spotify or use your own music, you don't need a jukebox for this server.

[worthy thistle]

naw we don't need it, just speaking from my experience on an equally big server where they genuinely made it work well

[gray bane]

if we don't need it, then why ask for it in the first place

[fresh cedar]

We don't need server events but we got them.

Not everything is an absolute need, sometimes it's just things people want

[obsidian verge]

i want to be able to share music and see music people have shared

[brave bough]

we don't need this server but we got it :)

[deft sorrel]

I'm going to follow up Channy's initial response to the jukebox request with one of my own: absolutely fucking not.

We'd run face first into the issue that caused us to have to close the voice channels: inappropriate content being shared that requires a moderator to babysit the damn thing constantly.

We will talk about splitting #109114589341306880 into two channels though.

[ionic void]

So, I know y'all say not to advertise. I was curious, if i wrote a fantasy novel, and I'm giving the book away for a few days (and therefore no monetization) would it be okay to share it in #art (or another channel if more appropriate) or would y'all still consider that advertising. If not, then absolutely understandable and cool. But if so, also cool. Either way, thanks for taking time to read this and have a good one.

[ornate pelican]

I don’t see why not

[ionic void]

Super cool! Thank you!

[lean perch]

very unlikely this will pass but... a badge role for each DoW/DoM job to have our main class displayed. only the jobs, no base classes

[ornate pelican]

I can consider this but I like using the badges to make important roles stand out

[lean perch]

:D

[solid shale]

hi, id like to post a google form for answers because im trying to create a sort of family feud game, is that okay?

[untold sequoia]

Please open a up a #discord-modmail and send the link to the mod team

We'll have a look over it

[dreamy jackal]

Do I come here, regarding the kupobot?

[untold sequoia]

Do you have a suggestion for Kupobot, or need support?

[dreamy jackal]

Needing support, to be frank.

[untold sequoia]

!faq supportdiscord

[ancient gale]

Discord for Kupo Bot support

https://discord.gg/4dpPFcWURA

[untold sequoia]

The official support Discord will probably be your best place to get help

[dreamy jackal]

Thank yooou

[tawdry parrot]

Can we give @rocky stump a medal for being awesome?

[thorny lantern]

Voison best girl

[haughty agate]

Voison said miqo are boring, so it has to be a dull medal

[weary cipher]

is there any way to disable the emote reactions in the liveletter tl channel?

[untold sequoia]

It'll be disabled once the actual live letter starts

[timid pilot]

the translators can do it themselves, but there should be personal settings for it in User Settings > Text & Images for disabling on your end

[weary cipher]

okay, thank you!

[violet valley]

not really feedback but thank you for translating the live letter, ya'll are a blessing i hope you're staying hydrated!

[rich plinth]

add as a sticker ? possibly maybe

[night notch]

feedback: keep pride pfp for a year

[violet valley]

keep pride pfp forever

[minor kelp]

Suggest renaming #109114589341306880 to #109114589341306880-n-streams or something that makes it obvious where stream related things go

[misty kernel]

Late as hell but thank you <@&151564672154206208> for a great job at always translating everything 💕

[obsidian verge]

or just split them up like how they used to be pls i am begging

[minor kelp]

Suggestion: promote Dandy and Zook to new player mentors, encourage them to keep #beginner-lounge in particular the lovely place it can and should be

[zinc jay]

any chance we could set up a kupo word filter specifically for #beginner-lounge to filter out spoilers? trial names, maybe some characters etc. Just for like a 10-30min mute or something

all too often do i see people casually drop spoilers there. not out of malice but it is frequent enough that i think such a filter would be effective.

[safe charm]

^
seconded
or a VERY distinct 'please spoiler tag all images' or something policy / message pin for safety due to different people considering different thing spoilers. text and content stuff like 'EW trial 1 spoilers' above images

[zinc jay]

alternatively it should have a very clear kupo bot message about it.

[gray nexus]

I also 100% agree with that would be nice if it's possible I also saw people drop spoilers way too often recently especially

[zinc jay]

either that or i think mods should manually have brief mutes on people for doing that sort of thing.

again, it's hardly out of malice or intentionally spoiling, people just seem to forget what channel they're in. 10-30 min mutes would be enough for people to get the message.

alternatively alternatively I think you should take on more mentors, as they could definitely help to make a difference there and tackle misinformation. I don't think there are enough new player mentors, but that's another thing altogether.

[safe mural]

All story discussion is completely prohibited in #beginner-lounge and we do mute for it. Ping one of us if we miss something in there.

[zinc jay]

It's not dissuading enough of it happening in the first place, though. An active filter would be effective in there.

[minor kelp]

are you pinging mentors/mods every time?

[zinc jay]

I'd assume staff would look at the channels they moderate. I shouldn't need to do that every time.

[safe charm]

i am personally asking for a pre-emptive measure that makes it clear people should be more careful. the event that inspired sen and i to speak up wasn't able to be taken care of immediately since it was just posted as a question, and the damage had been done

this person also immediately deleted it and was clearly remorseful, but it was seen by a few people

this is not anyone's fault really, i am just suggesting 'maybe if this person noticed that spoilers are enforced, this would not have occurred'

[simple vine]

I dunno how automatic word catching mutes work, but I could see it being good if it automatically obliterates the message before anyone saw it, if that's what's meant here. You can have mods reported all you want but it'll be taking time for the message to be deleted of course if that's outside of bot capabilities you can just admonish anything I'm saying

[safe charm]

yeah, something like that or just heavily encouraging spoilers with a giant figurative (or literal) warning sticker in the channel somewhere besides just the channel topic would be cool

[carmine rivet]

I'd be a bit tricky tho wouldn't it? If it's a word filter, it could trigger if u just talk about a certain character we all know

[zinc jay]

Yeah but ultimately the point is that "no story discussion" means what it says on the tin.

if people want to discuss certain expansions in specifics #952271392424992838 does exist

[simple vine]

Not to mention I feel like you'd be safe putting something like ||endsinger|| or ||meteion|| in it (endwalker).

[safe charm]

tbf i think there are ways to actively discuss x character without directly referencing them, plus story discussion is restricted so we shouldn't really need to bring them up? is my logic

[simple vine]

I'd just wonder if it's asking the impossible of the bot specifically

[carmine rivet]

EW || Hydaelyn as a word comes up a lot even outside of story i.e just the planet being named that for most of the game|| so idk how feasible it is

[safe charm]

yeah completely valid

[simple vine]

Obviously that wouldn't be in it then. I mean, if you think about it I genuinely don't see a problem with the suggestion supposing the words are obvious ones.

What I think would be better is if it didn't have to be tied to a mute, just a message or something after deleting the offending message, but again I don't know what bots can do.

[worthy thistle]

yeah if we experiment with a new system like that, I'd rather it be an instant delete and a kupo warning, rather than a 10-30 minute "oh jeez well there goes my lunch break" mute

[rich plinth]

there should 100% be an automated message (unless there is? but i dont recall there being one) as the topic doesn't really do anything

[tawdry parrot]

Think an automated message has been suggested before, but got buried.
Or just forgotten.

[whole abyss]

May I ask, in such situations do we @ all mentors or mods?

[untold sequoia]

Mods

[minor kelp]

I was about to answer, but Meara will give a better response to when using a ping is appropriate rather than modmail

[ornate pelican]

It’s impossible under current design

I would have to add the concept of channel specific censors

[misty kernel]

i noticed some kupo iglam commands show the wrong image. do i need to submit that somewhere

[ornate pelican]

Can you check on the GamerEscape wiki to see if it’s Kupo or their side?

[misty kernel]

oh i was mistaken. my apologies . its all correct

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for 『Sahdov』#3447

@novel oriole has been banned by Meara#0312 for the following reason:

Please take your bigotry out of this server

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[ancient gale]

Ban Issued for DAT#0001

@mild junco has been banned by Meara#0312 for the following reason:

Bigotry

Banned from Final Fantasy XIV

[untold sequoia]

Anyone else?

[tawdry parrot]

[zinc jay]

in light of the above i'd just restate the suggestion to keep the pride icon and banner permanently pride shouldn't be restrained to one month of the year after all :)

[night notch]

Keep the pride icon until 7.0

and then change it

into whatever the mascot of 7.0 will be be but with a pride flag :p

[rich plinth]

or new pride icon 😳
(unlikely)

[worthy thistle]

new pride icon every month

[timid pilot]

Pride is over.
It is now Gay Wrath

[tawdry parrot]

You know. I could run with that.

[neat sparrow]

Why not gay lust during normal time given how horny this server can be

[untold sequoia]

[neat sparrow]

I may be out of line, but I am right

[zinc jay]

asked last night asking again as to why the slow mode was upped in #archived-lore-spoilers when a mod has said the previous slow mode of 20s did nothing to decrease the # of modmails about users in the channel?

https://i.imgur.com/Wn319sC.png
https://i.imgur.com/FVJwpXJ.png

like i feel like it should be proof that a slow mode isn't working and a more active mod presence would be more effective. at this point it really does just feel like the regulars are being punished for the actions of a few non-regular users. mods being active there would do a lot more to actually dissuade problematic users, as mentors cannot hand out any permanent punishments and if they do punish someone it's just a one hour mute.

and if you're doing it for the sake of making it easier to read context y'all should just put it on temporarily like you do in other channels instead of having it on permanently. you're killing the desire for regular users to participate in there at all.

[kind inlet]

Whether it's a single bad actor applying persistent pressure via multiple accounts, or just a string of eerily similar bad actors who end up starting inflammatory discussions in #archived-lore-spoilers, it's demonstrable that slowmode does not deter those discussions but simply draws them out for longer. I don't relish the notion of asking moderators or mentors to work harder to monitor the chat for these bad actors, because that's additional thankless work being placed on volunteers, but that is going to be the thing that'll more forcefully guide behavior.

[cosmic drift]

This feedback has been received, thank you.

[waxen cedar]

I'd propose maybe a kupo bot command, that shows the different kinds of maintenance and how long they usually last.

Wouldn't even have to be a page that keeps changing. Just a static page that states
"Regular maintenance can be like 2-6 hours, whilst patch maintenance can be up to 24 hours.
These hours are subject to change."

Just so people won't shitpost or annoy newer players who ask what's happened to the game, as that sometimes tends to happen and it can annoy or confuse people not quite familiar with the way the game works

[night notch]

are the roles changing to region based or will they stay the same?

[hoary garden]

....honestly, if role bloat is a genuine concern, that might do a fair bit towards cutting down on it....

[half vigil]

As far as role changes, not much has been decided yet, due to lack of information regarding the logistics of the features functionality. It is in consideration whether merging all the dc roles into their regions would prove beneficial. This would be because not knowing the realistic travel times and such would make say static recruitment across dcs an unknown factor. And FC recruitment being world centric would still make it worth considering leaving it as is, to avoid clutter and etc.

[rich plinth]

if you want to find an FC you can just search for your world name in the channel, which is probably what you should already be doing since theres other worlds also advertising their FC in the same channel

#reddit-recruitment-feed is also already all DCs

[remote spade]

information is outdated due to pvp changes

[half vigil]

Well it's still a valid question and can be left as is, but new pvp questions can be added

[untold sequoia]

The skill doesn't exist anymore now that every job has a unique LB

[remote spade]

ID 279 is the melee equivalent
i assume ID 280 will also be related

[half vigil]

Yeah but we have old artifacted questions about pvp materia and such. It's not like the question was asking in a way that's wrong. The answer is still cometeor in this case

It's more likely that we can add new pvp questions in when Miriam and Wynne go on their EW trivia spree

[untold sequoia]

It should probably be removed just because new players probably wouldn't know the answer

[hoary garden]

or upgrade it to [Difficulty: Boomer]

[timid pilot]

We have a fair amount of boomer-esque questions for the sake of preserving game history, like removed actions and overhauled skills.

I like keeping them around as a sort of learning about the game, but there’s a bit of a balance to avoid being too obscure with questions on outdated stuff no one used (PVP Materia)

(Also trivia code is #fucked and removing a question breaks it, so instead we need to think up questions to replace those we judge to not be good questions)

We can edit the Adrenaline Rush questions to reflect the outdated nature of them.

[remote spade]

i think editing to reflect that its outdated would be best

[rich plinth]

^ currently its confusing as theres no way to know that the question isn't just wrong because it doesn't say about it being old

[timid pilot]

I’ll just need to find all their ids

[half vigil]

It does indicate it given reading comprehension, since it groups all the caster dps for 1 action rather than asking for a specific job, but yes clarity will be taken into account

[rich plinth]

it really doesn't but okay

[half vigil]

Not to mention that the unique job ultimate actions are currently called limit breaks instead of the question labeling adrenaline rush

[timid pilot]

I’ll still change it.

Fixed.

[ancient gale]

Warning issued for tbown#2049 on Final Fantasy XIV

Reason: Don't get snarky with my mentors. They are providing a service voluntarily. Be polite to staff. Rule 1.
​

Issued By: Yen#1904

[remote spade]

thx :} also has it been updated with Endwalker Questions yet?

[timid pilot]

Not made yet.

As previously stated, the code for running trivia is pretty jank, and we still need to add the 5.2-5.55 questions

Also Trivia question writing is basically a 2-person job with me and Miriam doing it purely as a passion project.

[deft sorrel]

It's a fairly substantial amount of manual data entry to be done, and not something easily automated.

[ornate pelican]

This is mainly my fault

I basically janked the whole thing together because Miriam wanted it lol

[timid pilot]

And you need to overhaul Kupo at some point because of BS that discord is doing for bots, right?

[ornate pelican]

In time

Please don’t remind me

[timid pilot]

pat pat

[minor kelp]

Request to keep the current server icon until there's a definitive reason to change it, I've got used to it and it's cool

[gusty sphinx]

With the release of regional "Data Center Visit", may I suggest that current Data Center specific recruitment channels be archived for about a month so people don't have to recreate their postings entirely so soon, then after initial archival new regional recruitment channels be created?

[zinc jay]

I think it'd be better to just make regional roles rather than dc ones and keep the recruitment channels separate

[gusty sphinx]

So basically, for example, merge Primal, Aether, and Crystal under one role, entitled NA, and allow that new merged role access to all 3 recruitment channels for all 3 data centers? I could go with this.

[zinc jay]

yes

because ultimately while sure you can now do cross dc statics you can't do cross-dc fcs or whatever. it makes it less confusing for sprouts to do it that way i guess

[autumn fjord]

i've been using the ffxiv recruitment discord recently, and i noticed that the server was lacking role emojis (tank, healer, melee, caster, ranged). it'd be great if those could be added to make recruitment posts more readable at a glance

[hoary garden]

....do you mean like these @autumn fjord

[autumn fjord]

yeah, they're not on the recruitment server though and a lot of people don't have nitro

[cosmic drift]

I’ll see about adding these there tonight if this isn’t taken care of by then. Thanks for the catch

[autumn fjord]

thanks for responding! they don’t seem to have been added yet

[zinc jay]

supremely mildest of grievances but why are the na roles not in alphabetical

[untold sequoia]

Because Aether and Primal existed first

[tulip lava]

Also one of those things we could fix but changing the order means people who belong to Primal+Crystal would have their color on the server changed (highest in the display order takes precedence)

[minor kelp]

is there any way to make whichever dc role people pick first stick as their colour and subsequently selected dc roles not change it?

[normal tinsel]

From a Discord standpoint, it would require another set of reaction roles, as name color is purely from the role hierachy

[minor kelp]

shame it's not simple, I've seen a bunch of people complain about adding other dcs for alts and their home dc colour being changed

[icy sentinel]

exactly why i don’t add the other roles

[rocky stump]

I wasn't aware I can add emojis on the server. I'll add them tonight after work. 😁

[timid ibex]

it seems that the new servers have not been added as valid to kupo bot, so running commands with them fails.

[timid pilot]

Already acknowledged in the kupo support discord, will be fixed soon

[rocky stump]

I uploaded those emojis. If any issues with them or anything else just ask. 🙂

[ornate pelican]

Fixed

Also added region support to the market command

I also fixed the role buttons

[tawdry parrot]

Based eanae and voison.

[glacial magnet]

I would like to request a fishing channel (this is only a semi-serious request, don't beat me)

[untold sequoia]

It could be possible to make a thread under #doh-dol-lounge

No promises though

[tawdry parrot]

Corn for fish mentor please.

[tidal shuttle]

maybe this is a petty request but can random screenshots of people's characters (particularly in #beginner-lounge) be relegated to #ffxiv-screenshots? there are numerous people who just post their character with no context and some text like "bnuuy" or "cute miqo" without adding any meaningful discussion, sometimes it even disrupts other people trying to give advice

and then inevitably like 2 or more people just respond back with "bnuuy" or "cute miqo", furthering the meaningless chain

like ofc it's not an issue if it's a sprout posting their character and asking what everyone thinks but there are vets in there daily who post random screenshots with no further context

[misty kernel]

I personally don't see sending screenshots of a character and complimenting on them an issue. This happens in other channels like #general-discussion and #rants. I would only consider it an "issue" if its spamming the same thing over and over again. From my experience with #beginner-lounge, 5 people will post something then it goes back to normal afterwards. You can relgate them to #ffxiv-screenshots but I see no harm in posting a few images complimenting each others character here in there

[simple vine]

Honestly, I can find it annoying as well during actual conversations, but genuinely complaining makes me feel like an absolute downer. It’s irritating at worst. At best, it sparks interest for sprouts as well and encourages them to send their own photos.

[zinc jay]

Agreed. don't see the point of getting rid of it. Ultimately it is a lounge for new players to talk ffxiv in, more conversational than #questions-and-help.

[normal tinsel]

Also, hard to regulate , no?

[whole abyss]

As an offender of said issue, its usually sent for some kind of reason and not just no context. So far I don't notice other conversations being outright disrupted and discontinued, if it was a newbie question intend to go back and answer anyway. It also isn't uncommon multiple conversations are happening at the same time
PS. Of course I do see why it can be disruptive and annoying

[open bobcat]

think it's important to remember that the channel is a beginner lounge and not just 'QnH for sprouts' as many seem to treat it, as long as it's not just actual, random spam I don't see why sharing pics of your character with other beginners should be an issue

[zinc jay]

I think role perms are entirely fucked, seeing folks with no roles at all interact in #beginner-lounge

[tidal shuttle]

well, y'all aren't the actual offenders lol, there are like 2 or 3 specific people who very commonly just post random glam pics several times with no further context and 0 contribution to any other ongoing discussion even during other people's conversations

it's fine since most people do it as a once-off (myself included) but there are specific people who do it numerous times a day

but anyway Idris is right, it's annoying but complaining about it is also annoying

[rocky stump]

Who and when?

[rocky stump]

Please DM me. :)

[hollow abyss]

Is there a reason why #984659531793575976 isn't locked? I keep seeing new message indicators there but I assume they're being deleted.

[celest idol]

I agree, it keeps happening and I can only assume people or mods are deleting them. Right now there is no reason for the channel to be open imo, as long as people can still read it

[rocky stump]

<@&678028388534976545> Channel should be locked for replies.

[neat sparrow]

It's because bots mass send message to every channel. So they get insta deleted and we get the little notification

[twin barn]

Regarding the beginner lounge issue, I noticed it too even though I don't spend time there anymore. The issue I have is how much real estate a screenshot has on a mobile device. When it's part of a relevant conversation then screenshots aren't intrusive but when its essentially a non sequitur it literally punts half the messages of the screen, offscreen

On at least a few occasions, I've seen actual people asking questions get no answer because a screenshot just booted them off, followed by one or two compliments to said image sealing the deal. The reality is people are gonna help with what they can see and most who can answer won't go through the trouble of scrolling through to find a question they glanced at once before it was unceremoniously yeeted by a no-context, no question screenshot

[safe mural]

Questions get missed or ignored from time to time either due to being missed or because no one knows the answer. This is inevitable with or without screenshots. As the people who post these pics are usually regular members of the channel and doing it to have conversations about it and socialise, I don’t see the problem.
Otherwise we’d have a situation where we have to police whether an image is contributing to a conversation, which these images sound like they’re falling into if people are commenting and complimenting them.
The point of #beginner-lounge is to be a less strictly controlled space than #questions-and-help which has these kinds of rules.

[twin barn]

Then what's the point of #ffxiv-screenshots if we can dump them in any channel with "lounge" in the name?

[zinc jay]

Because it's... mostly for screenshots?

and it's hardly dumping. It is a lounge, people talk and socialize and share glamours. It's about ffxiv. it's fine.

[safe mural]

People can post screenshots en masse without any discussion in #ffxiv-screenshots

[untold sequoia]

The screenshots really aren't an issue

[snow quest]

Any reason there aren't any voice channels? I wouldn't mind streaming my current FF14 game in a casual manner.

Maybe I'm missing a role?

[tawdry parrot]

Voice chat has been permanently removed. I believe they made an announcement about it?

[zinc jay]

VC channels were impossible to moderate and served as a breeding ground for toxicity, so they were permanently removed.

[violet plinth]

very hard to moderate a vc for a server of this size

[snow quest]

I run a server of 3.5k... I totally understand.

What I do is base the ability to talk and, eventually stream, on a person's mee6 (or some other bot) level. Once they get to a certain point, they can talk. After another point, they can stream.

The idea being that, people who are active and constructive eventually demonstrate they're trust worthy.

Another option I have is a role that can be requested. Sort of, talk/stream on application.

Just a thought.

[violet plinth]

eh, i think it's safer to just leave it off. there are other, smaller communities that are better suited for vc's

[zinc jay]

This server is substantially larger, so that's really not feasible. It's best for them to be disabled. You can make group dms or private servers.

[snow quest]

Eh. I disagree, but there are plenty of private servers, for sure 🙂

Thanks for the chat.

[silent flower]

You have an incredibly small) fraction of the number of users in your server. I don't think it's really your place to say you disagree.

[snow quest]

It's absolutely my place to say I disagree, because in a civilized society it's OK to disagree with other people. I believe it can be done with technology because I have done it, on servers far, far outstretching this one.

But it's just an idea. If it's not within the remit of this server's administrative team that's fine. That's their choice, and I respect it.

So yes, I have every right to disagree, actually. Thanks for your time.

[minor kelp]

You mention running a server with 3.5k users, then talk about servers 'far, far outstretching this one' and I'm curious which

[hoary garden]

I have serious misgivings about using the feedback channel for what is objectively a petty argument.

[snow quest]

I appreciate the interest, but I don't see the point in continuing this... whatever it is. And I'm not interested in "got cha'!" tactics or anything of the sort.

I'm happy to use other, smaller servers, to VC with other players if this server doesn't want to support that functionality.

I couldn't agree more, @hoary garden. I think enough has been said and I've tried to walk away twice 🙂

[hoary garden]

Objectively, you didn't need to come back either time, and you didn't need to come back this time.

[snow quest]

Nor did you need to say anything at all /shrug

Again, for the third/fourth time... thanks for the chat. I respect the decision to not provide VC on this server.

[minor kelp]

I asked a genuine question and I don't appreciate any insinuations to the contrary, I was interested in how other large partnered servers handle things.

[hoary garden]

Regardless, this topic isn't open, and hasn't been for a while. At all. Please see here: #announcements message

And please note the last line, which provides guidance on how to actually initiate further discussion on the subject should you so desire—or should you "try to walk away" however many times and for whatever reason find yourself unable to fully commit.

[untold sequoia]

As has been said by everyone here, its just too unfeasible to moderate of VC with our current setup, though you're free to coordinate with others and organise a private call if you still want to do that

[sturdy charm]

I think it's been brought up before but there's some messy permissions for people with no roles as they have access to the role lounges

[hoary garden]

Respectfully request that the winning entries for the fanfiction contest be linked somewhere so that the community can enjoy the members' creativity =)

[tawdry parrot]

Yes, please. ^

[untold sequoia]

It was edited into the announcement

[hoary garden]

Most excellent, thank you.

[tawdry parrot]

Thank you!

[zinc jay]

Could we get a command on kupo to track the housing period cycle, with discord's new timezone adjusting timecodes?

[hoary garden]

I believe this has been suggested multiple times between this server and the support server, and the main issue is that the cycle is off of the normal 7 day week cycle, meaning you have to do something more complex than simply assign a target date and time to it, like you can for things based on a weekly reset cycle such as loot lockout resets or the fashion report.

It would have to be something similar to a recurring appointment reminder in, say, Outlook or some other program with a planner function; two appointments, each on a 9-day recurring cycle, one offset five days from the other.

[ornate pelican]

Yeah it's a bit awkward but not completely undoable

It'd be done similarly to fashion report

I can look when I have free time

I just have very little of that right now

[ornate pelican]

@zinc jay @hoary garden

!housing

[ancient gale]

Current Housing Bidding Progress

Next Results Period in 4 days, 14 hours, 18 minutes, 23 seconds

[zinc jay]

thank you

helpful for me and also for answering questions

honestly its good enough

[ornate pelican]

I can't promise you it'll always be perfect

I just set it to recur every 9 days

[celest idol]

I know it makes sense to close the fanfic submission channel at this point but it is kind of sad that all the submissions are no longer listed anywhere now. Would it be possible to make a big post of links (or a link to such a list) in #archived-server-event-discussion and pin it there for posterity?

[minor kelp]

yeah I'd appreciate that too, I didn't get round to reading them

<@&839629348800561202> help us out darlings

[tawdry parrot]

.

[jade wagon]

Can probably get a list edited into the announcement at some point

[celest idol]

I meant all entries, not just the winners.

And also I'd appreciate a pin in #archived-server-event-discussion more, simply because it can stay pinned there forever and won't get inevitably buried under new announcements. I think it's just good etiquette to keep all entries saved somewhere. I'm of course fully aware that the links may stop working at some point but still.

[tawdry parrot]

Ah, yeah, fair. I thought Meara added all of them in already.

[minor kelp]

thanks!

[jade wagon]

Ye we will get something for that channel

[celest idol]

Much appreciated!

[ornate pelican]

I’ll archive it later

Actually may be able to do it now

#984659531793575976

[zinc jay]

Could the world pick command be updated to include information on dc travel, which makes the world you choose even less important as you can visit any dc within your region now?

[half vigil]

done

[rich plinth]

the chaos & light discord link is invalid #resources message

[violet plinth]

also, Horus as a hunt tool is dead. aether made the swap to faloop around the drop of ew