game-discussion

[primal raven]

why is there like random rumbling damaging me in gobby caves? is it the replacement for the swarm?

[vale ocean]

I wanted to buy the game yesterday but as u propably know its F2P now. I really want to start my journey as Wizard, but many gudes told me to choose diffrent class. My question is, is it possible to delete character on F2P account? In case I find that the wizard is too difficult to start.

[summer moat]

Ya its obnoxious for 7 straight minutes

It is the same concept as ice caverns

[primal raven]

yeah, not sure how i feel about it. . . prolly needs to be closer to the end of the timer

[summer moat]

Bring zones back actually

[opal saddle]

Br zone is for big open maps not cramped caves

[summer moat]

Caves is 5 x 5

[graceful storm]

ZONES <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[sonic loom]

Cave no zone on top

[graceful storm]

the closing swarm is terrible I love the new mechanic, and the map looks pretty epic when its foggy close to the end

[summer moat]

foggy look is legit, why do people hate the zone so much?

[digital dock]

I wonder if they were expecting a large influx of new free to play players...because right now its sitting +1k weekly average player count. Not what i would consider large.

[graceful storm]

imo it just unnecessarily funnels people to certain parts of the map, it wasnt terrible I just think this is much better. I see the fights in the elevator room lasting much longer and the last team standing takes the elevator in the middle its been more enjoyable to me

[summer moat]

They want people to be able to evade any fight and have a guaranteed exit, how is that considered a survival game?

Well the fights are lasting longer because of the health changes

[graceful storm]

yesterday was 7k, up from 2k the day before I saw.

[summer moat]

People are fighting a lot now but they have nothing to lose with the wipe being 2 days away, wait until we are in an actual season

[digital dock]

I had my fingers crossed for something a little bit more substantial, maybe when the weekend rolls around

[graceful storm]

I didnt check closer to the end of the night, that was like an hour after patching finished

[graceful storm]

new wipe will be another influx of new players

[summer moat]

also the game was consistently at 5k and more. Once season ended with nothing to do people are waiting for wipe. So of course there was low player count but saying 1k weekly average is very inaccurate

[digital dock]

its accurate if you read it correctly (+1k from the normal weekly average of 5k)

[graceful storm]

on average when I randomly peek at player count in the past week ive been seeing around 2-4k players online

[summer moat]

Yesterday it was much higher though

[digital dock]

I missed yesterday tbh, wish i would have seen the peak

[summer moat]

It was instant ques and lobby starts

Only managed to hit a target dummy once

[graceful storm]

there are 6k online right now, middle of a work day

end of wipe

[summer moat]

which is interesting because there is virtually nothing to do haha

[graceful storm]

yeah thats pretty baller numbers compared to what there have been in the past

[reef kestrel]

Am I the only one who is now naked with all characters, even after death in a dungeon?
Seems a bit weird if it's a conscious choice. Is it a bug?

[cosmic swan]

You need to re-set your kit with the squire

[reef kestrel]

Ah, thanks, having an ingame tip for it might be useful 😄

[mossy wing]

It is just bugged at the moment, it should rekit you every time you die 🙂

[strong karma]

Is the stealth sound bug? like how far are they when it pops? its so loud

i shit my pants every time

[summer moat]

People are collecting treasures and mob killing in solo goblins and there is zero incentive for it, playing on the outskirts, its not even a season this will be horrible

[reef kestrel]

AND the stuff I had equipped before also got send to the void apparently, but that doesn't bother me so much

[cosmic swan]

You know where they are, go get them

[summer moat]

the map is massive

I just don't understand the mentality 2 days before wipe and people are treasure hunting in goblins lol

[cosmic swan]

It will be more easier whit more player, wait for the wipe. We don't really know yet how the season is going to be

[summer moat]

the lobby was full

[bright garnet]

Did they fix the explosion bottle damage

[summer moat]

Yea

[slow wing]

It's actually more full then it's been in the last few days. 5,500 people in right now.

[odd pier]

what am i missing? why would i ever use the darkleaf boots over the adventurer boots?

[cosmic swan]

Don't get it to, it's just a weaker version. But it look better I guess xd

[odd pier]

yeah i was all excited like ohhhh NEW BOOTS but then its just sooooo subpar

[static timber]

an error has occurred. code : 16
what happened with my game? This error
anyone could help me?

[cosmic swan]

#the-tavern message

[bright berry]

did they change the gear score brackets? I just vsd a dude with 550 gear score when I went in with 280

[cosmic swan]

I don't really know some people said they removed GBMM. I don't know why tho

[bright berry]

Yeah just got slapped by a slayer fighter with bissed out grimsmiles. If they removed gbmm thats fine but It would have been nice to know before hand

[bitter condor]

anyone know how to turn on lantern shield lantern?

[wanton otter]

i think its R offhand

[burnt marlin]

If you're on a low population server they put everyone together

[warm tendon]

Please fix audio

Also please put some more lights up. Literally some modules are just complete darkness and please fix the number of nightmare mobs per module. I'd say one is probably fine.

[slow wing]

Was playing Ranger and I drank a normal potion and it did the animation for Rogue Hide

[wanton otter]

missed

[warm tendon]

When a bard plays a song or someone pops a prot pot all audio just vanishes.

[wanton otter]

#report-a-bug

[wanton otter]

HEY EVERYONE, THIS GUY SAID THE GAMES TOO DARK.

[warm tendon]

Not making those anymore, there is no feedback.

[warm tendon]

Played since the started and the game has gotten darker and darker.

[slow wing]

Places where torches should be on are turned off on some modules

[wanton otter]

hm.. turn em on.

[warm tendon]

Walked in to a module; Pitch black, floor traps, multiple nightmare skeletons.

[calm jolt]

maybe, you meant easy and easier (or static and staticier)

[wanton otter]

randomize the torches!

[warm tendon]

Yes they made it a bit easier over time, but also, darker, a lot darker. And now with the insane spawn rates of Nightmare mobs, you can just walk into a room and get destroyed by 3 nightmare axe skeles.

[tight badge]

So is the swarm/circle gone in goblin cave now or does that start after wipe?

[graceful storm]

has anyone else been hearing the invis audio que randomly in all matches

[warm tendon]

swarm is gone, so are portals, you get out through static exits. If they are all taken you can go to the center room which has an elevator. It comes and goes, just have to wait there for a couple minutes and either kill everyone else or be friendly and hope they are too.

[warm tendon]

Yes I have, audio is very busted atm. It is not random, it's a wizard going invisible across the map.

[calm jolt]

In my opinion, it is generally easier. Having all nightmare in HR seems just cheap way to make some change. People will adjust. If they want to make game harder they should add next tier of mobs or new challanges. Make just everything nightmare seems lazy temporary solution...

[warm tendon]

They made it easier by lowering the mob density, but undid all of it by adding so many nightmare mobs.

[graceful storm]

Ok I was very confused. Its the invis pot/rouge invs Q tho doesnt sound like a wizard spell

[warm tendon]

It's multiple things, you can hear bards songs, a wizard using arcane shield etc.

[graceful storm]

ok hope they fix that asap that has been a bug before

[calm jolt]

Additionally, they are removing the "iconic" game feature - stone portals (together with swarm). This is one of feature of this game that I would think is unique in game. It's like cutting basic feature in game.

Without it, it goes to spawn camping every game. Random circle makes every session less repeatable and more interesting. Currently, with ice cavern, I usually have standard routes because there is no point to change them. It is fine for one map for diversity but for all...

It was really enough with a current mixed static/stone portals on GC. You always have most 2 rooms across to some static. I think the biggest difficulty difference made in past was "no static -> added statics" point. Mob density, I think, was easier to manage but maybe some corner spawn were problematic.

[knotty kernel]

I do not understand why they are removing features like the storm. The addition of the battle royale elements is one of the things that brought huge popularity to this game in the first place. It was actually one of the major improvements this game brought to the extraction genre, and made it distinct from something like Tarkov. This moving away from the portals is just stupid.

[warm tendon]

Just something I noticed, the storms are not random, they are a couple of pre-programmed paths the storm can take on every map.

[calm jolt]

Yep, I think this is one of the more unique features of game, along with magic system with spell charges, oh, god, I hope they don't touch it as this is "too complex"...

[knotty kernel]

Reddit has already started complaining about limited spell charges, just a matter of time beforet they remove that mechanic aswell, and repalce it with "Mana"

[slow wing]

With what they did to Hide and with Hide mastery, Stealth no longer makes sense. It's unusable.

[knotty kernel]

This game no longer makes sense

[warm tendon]

It still works, just make sure you exit the game before the 7-8 minute mark.

[left crystal]

how do you upgrade from the free versionn?

[warm tendon]

Buy the game I suppose?

[left crystal]

No shit, where?

[warm tendon]

darkanddarker.com

[calm jolt]

At that point, I switch to any clone of DaD, as then I can play game with most streamlined ideas what/how supposed to work in every game.

[left crystal]

I am not seeing any options to buy the game

[warm tendon]

really? let me have a look myself

[left crystal]

it says play free and download launcher

[candid shuttle]

Would also like to know about upgrading

[slow wing]

Like what does that even mean? You have 12 seconds for Hide with Hide Mastery equipped, and in 12 seconds you can move 10 steps while invis, imagine actualy using it that fast, does it make sense especially with the fact that Stealth isn't actually invis but a blur?

[left crystal]

is it a free temp trial?

just trynna help a friend tbh

[warm tendon]

Not sure, I just looked at the website and I'm no longer seeing a button to purchase the game.

[left crystal]

lmao, told ya

[warm tendon]

I'm reading the patchnotes again, I remember reading something about getting legendary status. Which is what you need to get access to all of the game.

[left crystal]

wait is wipe in two days?

[naive wren]

Any1 have any expiriance with editing engine.ini successfully for better performance ?

[calm jolt]

Regarding upgrading to legendary, this is not finished. They said they will add it shortly in few days.

[warm tendon]

Yes, new season will start then. Also this Added the free-to-play feature. Upgrading to Legendary Status will be locked for a few days as we ready the new season. is on the patch notes. I suppose they will enable upgrading/purchasing the game back with the new season.

[winter tinsel]

the base game is free, aka normals with 1 character

[warm tendon]

Sorry I do not play rogue myself but don't they have a perk which lets you hide for 40 seconds or something along those lines?

[snow charm]

6?

[warm tendon]

What do you mean?

Hide Mastery doubles the duration of Hide.

[knotty kernel]

Are you serious?

wow this is a level of incompetence I didn't even think IM was capable of.

To make the game F2P and then not allow people to buy it? wow

[warm tendon]

Yes, it's in the patch notes.

[warm tendon]

Feels a bit clumsy now that you mention it but I think it is by design. They probably needed to test various systems etc.

[calm jolt]

To be truth, they will not handle this wipe smoothly. There is no way, they want to add a tons of contents, f2p and epic release (?). And on top of that they throw balance changes that won't be fixed for weeks into new season. They have failed with much smaller scope (although, regarding balance, I believe they will fix it given some time properly).

[knotty kernel]

By design? the one thing you dont want to be clumsy with, is people actually being able to purchase your product. So many that try the game now are just going to walk away once they try and upgrade and see there is no upgrade option. They will ask the same question we did, and when they dont get an answer immediately they will write the game off as a scam and leave.

[knotty kernel]

They havent fixed balance in a year, why would you think they could do it in the next month

[random gate]

Can someone please provide me the actual timer on the in-game countdown

[trim fern]

Anyone know the reasoning behind adding more nightmare mobs in HR? I feel like this is a poor change that only leads to people dying more often to mobs in pvp when they are kiting a fellow player...

[timid olive]

can i bring in ale and give it to people for the quest

alternatively, can I deepthroat a spike trap

[slow wing]

WOOW, they've made it impossible to report cheaters in HR. I'm done. I won't play this game for 6 months

[warm tendon]

No, that won't work. It's status will change to Handled. THey need to find it themselfs or you need to drop it while being in the same match as they are. Once you take it out and bring it back in, the status will change to Handled.

[timid olive]

2d4h11m

[random gate]

Tyty

[calm jolt]

IMO, solo cannot be truely balanced. But there were buffed wizards, barbs, buff ball. I think they did some job to fix it although... slowly.

[knotty kernel]

I think that might be the reason. To be fair, prior to this change, you could just ignore multiple rooms worth of HR mobs while engaging in PVP. It might be good to actually allow for mobs to be more impactful.

[warm tendon]

Going of previous seasons starts and general contents updates. It pretty much always took them a bit longer then their estimate.

[earnest isle]

Skill issue

[timid olive]

so dropping it for a teammate marks it as looted?

or would I have to die

[warm tendon]

If you took it out of the match and then started a new match, bringing the Ale back in to give to a friend wont work.

If you and your friends are playing a duos/trios game, and you find an Ale in a chest, pick it up and then drop it to them in the same match that will work.

[trim fern]

I get what you're saying but dying to a nightmare mob that you happen to randomly run into while fighting with a fellow player is very unfun imo.

[random gate]

They changed it to where only equipped gear can have their status changed on death. So gear and weapons. Not items.

[calm jolt]

I wonder if they will change status of items to "handled" when passed through "shared stash tab" as you now basically can farm quests for other character you have.

[earnest isle]

Love Barb but think Crush probably needs a timer on its door break so people don't run through the map and spawn rush

[timid olive]

how tf am i meant to loot 20 ale then

[random gate]

I actually don't mind that since you still put in the time personally to clear and loot the items. It would make questing a little bit less of a slog to get your main to crafting if you want to have fun and actually play other classes

[knotty kernel]

As I said I think that is the point, mobs should be able to impact PVP. If you attack someone while they have a bunch of mob aggro that should confer an advantage for you. Or if they run away from the fight and aggro a bunch of mobs, they should be punished for that, and not able to simply run around forever. This change very well might have been a way to try and address the movespeed kite meta.

[timid olive]

cant even be a booze pinata in normals, F

[warm tendon]

Just play the game and bring out every ALe you find. I tend to find an Ale every match or multiple. Just open a bunch of containers and escape.

[kindred tusk]

guys, the server is working? i can't enter the lobby without being drop to loading screen and "try reconnect"

[random gate]

Very carefully

[timid olive]

ive legit not found one all wipe lmao

[calm jolt]

Ale spawn in chests. Reinforced chests have high drop chance but still this takes a few games..

[warm tendon]

Whut? That's impossible, do you only PvP?

[kindred tusk]

try to open large chest only and hunt other players with ale :D

[earnest isle]

Alcy only plays with me, once in a blue moon and I drink all the Ale, its delicious

[proper prawn]

there is even a gaurented ale in the dark library on crypts, just farm that one. it comes with a marvelous.

[random gate]

Everyone quick get in raid and drink all the ale so alcy can't get his skin

[proper prawn]

^ lols

[earnest isle]

Yes, drink it all

[trim fern]

Seems like a band aid fix to the problem.

[proper prawn]

I'm doing it irl and it aint even past one

[calm jolt]

And remember to drink it in front of him 😉

[earnest isle]

I do his little ranger hands can't phase my drunken barb flesh

[random gate]

As someone who already did this, I think they're trying to force you to create an actual clear route of escape by killing entire sections of mobs and leaving doors open to path escapes.

They don't want you freely walking past 20 mobs for no reason in a room with fully closed doors

[proper prawn]

Most classes (other than rogue) can't usually even open a door get through and close it b4 the mob guarding the door either A) hits them or B) Smashes the door as they close it

[random gate]

Im well aware that any class other than the casters can by baiting out 1 attack.

[proper prawn]

not clerics I'll tell ya that heh

[random gate]

Caster

[proper prawn]

ah true

[random gate]

And barbs have crush so they aren't real

[proper prawn]

barb interaction speed might be a little too low also but they can just smashy smashy haha

[surreal bone]

Help, when i try to create an account it says :please request a verification code. Where from ?

[proper prawn]

email i'm guessing

[surreal bone]

well there is nothing in my emails

[proper prawn]

can you PM or post an image where it is asking for a verification code

guess I feel like doing some free tech support

that CS degree really paying off

or not good luck with ur problem

[surreal bone]

i did sent you

[proper prawn]

ah just got it ok

There ya go T30, hit me up if something comes up.

[surreal bone]

Thank you SPY i appreciate it !!!

[proper prawn]

[tribal roost]

Anyone else getting an error message when leaving raid then having the game just close ?

[sand cosmos]

quick question, anyone know why the gold spawn was removed from the howling crypts mining room?

i didn't see any mention of it in the patch notes

[echo sparrow]

gold hasnt been on crypts since the season started i think. it only spawns in inferno now

unless thats what you mean

[tight shadow]

you dont wait until last minute before the game is about to wipe is how

[polar talon]

we did the quest and yes indeed they are rare. go on ice cave and just loot all chests

[sand cosmos]

Yh sorry that's what i meant however the corner module it no longer spawns in there only rubysilver thaught it was a bit odd

[echo sparrow]

someone in gen chat just said theres some in double boss room in goblins

cannot confirm myself, and not saying they moved it exclusively there. i havent been looking honestly

[sand cosmos]

yh i was referring to inferno when you downport

[echo sparrow]

when i get home later i guess ill take a look. good to know for the start of next wipe if nothing more changes. i hope its not only in goblin double boss room

[timid olive]

Havent been waiting, just unlucky ig lol

me and my duo just got 4 in one game after hundreds of jack shiiiit

[tight shadow]

you've probably trained yourself subconsiously to ignore ale when looting all season like I did 😛

[timid olive]

rngesus has accepted my offering 🙏

[timid olive]

honestly, probably, mentally tuning them out until I needed em

praying that the quests stay over wipe progress wise. cuz kobold ears hardly drop at all

[fossil rivet]

I came back after months, I played it when it was still on steam, is it still good and actually free?

[solar void]

It's riddled full of cheaters but still a good game.

[rare venture]

I don't get all these coping cheater claims, I've seen maybe a handful of cheaters in 2000 hours.

[cosmic swan]

It's not really free, it's more a free to try. You only have acces to part of the game (no High roller, only on character and no trade with other player). And is it good, honestly try many many change happen and lots of people leaved but imo I love the game and it's going the good way

[rare venture]

Is it just normal for people who get outplayed to come and claim cheaters so they can cope with loss?

[cosmic swan]

It really depend of your server region and if you go in high level HR or not it seems

[solar void]

Nope its just ironic when you get a gear set that full teams of players instantly charge you when the map starts. ESP cheats. All over youtube. Stop denying it so they actually come up with concequences.

Pretending it's not happening doesn't mean it's not happening.

[rare venture]

That doesn't happen to me though, I'm constantly running 800+ gear score sets.

[solar void]

It seems more prevelant in lower to mid-tier lobbies.

[rare venture]

Sounds like spawn rushing not cheating to me, but just report and they will review. Ive had many teaming reports come back positive lots of people are preteaming when lobbies were empty.

I have zero cheats and we check the closest 3-4 spawn points around us every match.

[minor jetty]

HOw do you rotate iteams?

[royal canopy]

It's a case of memorizing spawns. It's like this in every extraction game

[obsidian umbra]

why tf did they put like 40% of mobs been nighmare??

[chilly sentinel]

anyone getting connection terminated crash?

[chilly sentinel]

cheating definitely happens but also everyone spawn rushes

[charred knoll]

Has anyone with Ironmace addressed the assured increase in cheaters due to free mode anywhere? Just looking to read up on it. Thanks

[humble slate]

the free mode is the deterrance. cheaters need to make gold at a high rate because it is their job. cant do that in norms

[rare venture]

You are dreaming, they have a great anticheat system most people posting about it here are coping or not reporting useing r in game and catching people before they get banned. I've got 2000 hours and maybe a handful of actual cheaters. Almost any legit one I catch gets banned.

[echo sparrow]

people were saying PvE was too easy, so they made more nightmare mobs and now people cant fightem.

[chilly sentinel]

Eh, esp is pretty much impossible to prove and really not obvious

[obsidian umbra]

i just got fucked with a 7k set fighting a fighter, and got destroyed by the gobling mage maching gun, is stupid

[gray kelp]

server dying?

[humble slate]

pve was too easy, the nightmore mob change is nice since the mobs cant be ignored now

[warm tendon]

All the time

[echo sparrow]

that guy is a menece.

[chilly sentinel]

i like this as well

[tribal roost]

Dark and Darker still doing Dark and Darker things then

suddenly remember why i stopped playing this BOLLOX

[obsidian umbra]

i mean, is a pve pvp game, i like how it was before, and inferno been almost nighmares is ok, because it is inferno lmao

[charred knoll]

Asking for any previous conversation or banter about an increase in cheaters due to the game being free means I'm dreaming.
Thank you for your opinion.

[charred knoll]

I did not notice free mode was stuck to normals. Thank you for that.

[rare venture]

Something I didn't actually check is, do free accounts keep their stash if they upgrade to legendary? Are they maybe casting nets and filling their stash then upgrading to sell once its worth?

[humble slate]

Well from what I know, cheaters need to make something like 5$ an hour equivalent of gold. These are gold seller shops that hire minimum wage workers overseas to farm the game. Even if the stash is transferrable, you arent making that much in norms no matter what u get except for like a skull key or something which is super rare. Plus, if the game has anticheat, you have to subtract the cost of the accounts which will be getting banned regularly. This is why free to play games will be ripe for cheaters, but Ironmace has done their homework and is already implementing countermeasures such as the Tavern anticheat system that was included in the last patch and downloaded to your PC.

[cosmic swan]

New pattern to learn, that's all

[obsidian umbra]

theres no way you can dodge that guy hahah

[cosmic swan]

Use wall, ranger weapon there is way to kill them. Look around on youtube they might be tuto to dodge/kill nigthmare monster

[frosty snow]

add arachnophobia mode ty

[cinder charm]

is dark and darker season over? my leadboard page says "unranked" tho I got pathfinder during the multiclass season?..

[cosmic swan]

Yes the next wipe is in 2 day. You'll be able to claim your reward after the wipe

[cinder charm]

ok. do you know if i grind to voyager/demigod/etc if i still can get the better rewards?

[copper cobalt]

how come it says now that the season still has 2 days even tho ranks reset?

[cosmic swan]

You can't anymore ranked a locked until the wipe

[cinder charm]

sad! thanks

[echo sparrow]

2 days is the wipe timer not the season timer

[copper cobalt]

oj

[zealous chasm]

Is everyone going to a new game?

[echo sparrow]

what you mean?

[hasty bloom]

this game been dead for ages lol

[zealous chasm]

2 days to the wipe, wasn't sure if that was the Death Knell or not.
Hope not, I think the game can be extended if they create a solo and coop pve adventure experience w/o pvp.

[echo sparrow]

the game is always going to wipe every 3 months

wipe means you lose all your gear/levels. the game isnt going away

[hasty bloom]

it might be soon lol F2P screams Bankrupt in 6mo

[echo sparrow]

its more like free to try not really free to play.

[hasty bloom]

Still going to have mass cheaters and RMHMH T r's

[echo sparrow]

doomers are weird people

[hasty bloom]

Not dooming its realistic open ya eyes man, You got SDF tunnel vision or sum?

[echo sparrow]

anyone seriously looking to profit from this game arent going to do it using a free to play norms version of the game lol.

[hasty bloom]

Say that to everyone cheating there ass off and selling gold kek

[echo sparrow]

where you see that happening chief?

[hasty bloom]

You ever play the game?

You should be on the dev team same IQ As SDF it seems

[echo sparrow]

anyway. moving on with my day

[zealous chasm]

I didn't realize how much ESP cheating was going until I started watching other solo players. OMG, ESP is everywhere.

[hasty bloom]

Only going to get worse as F2P lol, i mean atleast before the R mhm Ters had to rebuy a account after getting banned If they even get banned... lol

[rare venture]

Oh look more doomers.

Game released a free to try normals only one character mode to get more players into the game! OMG death knell!! Player counts are down shortly before season is over/wipe OMG game is over! Bah.. there is no better game DaD is going strong and getting better and better. You need mistakes to grow.

[zealous chasm]

They did the right thing in preventing new accounts from access HR and other in game things for 72 hours, to slow down the banned cheaters.

[eternal bough]

To clarify, the free to play version is more of a demo and wont allow for trading nor highroller, therefore this is not a concern 🙂

[rare venture]

Free accounts can never get into HR. they have to buy.

[hasty bloom]

They have had a ENTIRE YEAR + of PAID QA and still not a SINGLE good patch

the brainrot in this discord for the amount of Cope is insane

[rare venture]

See yah.

[echo sparrow]

typically if you just ignore those people they fizzle out pretty quick

[hasty bloom]

Ignore me wont change this game gonna be Dead in 6mo

[echo sparrow]

then they ping you a few times but its blocked, so you cant even see it, and then they give up

[zealous chasm]

See, pin heads like this, that constantly complain about the game, must be AI bots, designed by competitors to trash the game.
Just mute the AI bots like ConfigWarrior, and have fun again!

[hasty bloom]

THE COPE 1 year paid QA/ No good patches / Doesn't make any assets/ buy everything from unreal marketplace kek, SDF Dev god apparently 

[rare venture]

The only explanation for them coming back to say this stuff over and over is that they love the game and just can't bring themselves to be positive so they come in here and doom. Otherwise they would spend their time moving on and finding something they enjoy, it must be a miserable experience we should pity them.

[graceful storm]

I love the block feature

[hasty bloom]

OBV i want SDF to sell the game so we can have a good dev team lol

[zealous chasm]

You are correct! Every now and then you get some steroidaggrorat dm you with garbo in a message request.
But then they get reported and banned for harrassment.
It's fun!

[honest ingot]

Where is patch notes ?

[graceful storm]

#📢announcements

[zealous chasm]

This new plethora of loot is great, can make money hand over fist!

[echo sparrow]

i have it set to friends only dm. so they have to add me first, which is a deterrent for alot of them

[hasty bloom]

this servers a joke anyways filled with kids who cope abount the great SDF who can't make a simple good patch in a entire year lol, its Sad to watch this game burn to the ground they got good bone for the game atleast it will sell once they run it into the ground

[rare venture]

I mean ignoring is the best plan, cause most people who doom are just trying to get attention and to argue their baseless opinions.

[subtle heart]

is there no starting gear now? Character starts with no items

[zealous chasm]

Its controlled through the Squire

[hasty bloom]

say the truth > get warnings for it, We hate letting people say the dam truth about the game over here

[vagrant furnace]

why clubs so pricey atm?

[subtle heart]

Holy thanks a ton. I didnt see that

[rich sky]

The IronMace . . . . The IronMace is real!!!

[feral comet]

is there a summary of the last patch notes made by us?

[cosmic swan]

Not yet I think, maybe on the wiki in a few day

[rapid galleon]

which class is really good rn

[cosmic swan]

Fighter with heavy armor and sprint i guess

[rapid galleon]

who else

[cosmic swan]

Barbarian was already really strong and most of his weapon got buffed with the last hotfix

[cosmic swan]

Warlock is also really good

[cosmic swan]

But the real call is wait for the wipe. Lot of change / balance will probably happen and the "meta" will probably change

[torpid rapids]

Does the reward tokens get reset every season or how does it work

[cosmic swan]

It get reset

[torpid rapids]

so it doesnt matter if i spam it on all characters now, ill get new 20 next season? Seems kinda broken if i have like 100 tokens

[cosmic swan]

No you won't get 20, that was a compensation for all the maintenance a few day ago. But you'll win some when level up every character

[cosmic swan]

It's something like the first one at lvl 30 or 35 and then 1 every 5-10 lvl

[torpid rapids]

ah alright, thanks

[warm tendon]

Just met someone in the dungeon who showed me the power of explosive bottles, it's insane!

[odd sundial]

how do i show FPS in game?

[cosmic swan]

Many people have talked about it, don't know if its bugged or not

[mellow thicket]

Anyone else think norms should be gear score capped rather than rarity capped? I'm thinking like 50-75 gearscore should be fair. Any thoughts?

[warm tendon]

Hopefully it is, let him try one on me, was at full health (130) and managed to get out of the fire pool with 5 hp remaining AND that is with 40%+ magic resist.

[subtle heart]

Anyone know how much the extra inventory slot costed pre patch? Asking for a friend

[cosmic swan]

3k for the first then 10k->15k->20k->25k

[scenic hornet]

Warlock is just dumb good

[dark hare]

why are oil lanterns 800g

[rapid galleon]

bro why is the map shaking every second? and what happened to escape portals bro

[warm tendon]

The dungeon now collapses, there are no more blue portals.

[rapid galleon]

so how do u escape

[cosmic swan]

Because there is a bug on explosive bottle and oil lantern do a lot of damage

[nocturne acorn]

r there any real patch notes or is just guess work

[warm tendon]

Exit through a static exit, or go to the center room in goblin caves, there will be an elevator.

[nocturne acorn]

like campfires are nerfed but i didnt c it mentioned

[warm tendon]

Worth every penny xD

[dark hare]

okay because i had like 10 in my stash and i just made over 8k off of them lmao

[rapid galleon]

they needa stop with this stupid elevator stuff bro

[dark hare]

cry

[cosmic swan]

There is new static exit. They're rope (look at the small blue icon on the map) The elevator don't work the same as in frost cavern. (I still don't know how exactly)

[nocturne acorn]

so no on real patch notes?

[warm tendon]

Get to a static, they are on the minimap, I also found a rope hanging, which can be climbed to escape.

[olive escarp]

wait ante is back?

damn

[warm tendon]

Yes just for now when there is no AP ante.

[dark hare]

been here for a week buddy

[nocturne acorn]

thanks

[olive escarp]

yea, haven't been here for a while buddy

[potent pine]

have they fixed oil lantern?

[warm tendon]

Orbital Nuke is still in, just found out myself 10 minutes ago.

And immediately bought a couple and nuked a wizard.

[potent pine]

lol

[warm tendon]

They are pricey, 600-700g each for the crappy tiers.

[bright garnet]

Did they fix explo bottles

[potent pine]

thought it was just oil lanterns?

[rare venture]

Holding the elevator in 3s is some of the most fun I've had playing this game to date.

[paper mulch]

Yeah elevator + raft fights are some of the most fun I've had. Fighting a team contesting a raft is a blast

[warm tendon]

They did not.

[bright garnet]

Ty for the heads up

[rare venture]

The goblin one is the best though, its right in the middle and in a room most people fought before in anyway.. ice caves being on the outside is kinda meh.

[cosmic swan]

How does it work exactly in the GC? I went to take it almost at the end and it didn't appear at all (i waited like 30-45sec)

[paper mulch]

I wish the ice caves elevators were a little more central but I think its to make the journey to/from the loot pile a little longer. I don't like the overall layout of ice caves even tho its generally mg favorite map

[rare venture]

It lowers from the ceiling and goes back up in the last ~2 minutes

[cosmic swan]

Like one time? Or did it happen every x min like the boat?

[rare venture]

Might be random timing, I'm not sure seems to always be around there but if you get there when the rocks start falling and hold it you'll get it every time.. at least we did.

One time.

[shell fjord]

Hey, if I create a character with a certain class, is that name now unavailable for my other classes?

[cosmic swan]

Oh ok, ty. I'll try it more to understand how it work exactly

[cosmic swan]

Yep

[shell fjord]

ty

[rare venture]

Its also nice that there is a res shrine in that same room, so while defending is one person falls you can stillget them up before getting out a lot of the time.

[rapid galleon]

when i find a rope on the mini map and go to it its not there? is it cuz i need to wait more

[rare venture]

Yes, or someone else already took it.

[cosmic swan]

Yep there is a hole in the roof it'll go down from it

[cosmic swan]

From what I saw you can see the rope slightly if it's still here. I don't know if it can go down again if someone already took it

[graceful storm]

the extraction elevators go up and down multiple times

[cosmic swan]

Nice I took it only one time but that's what I though. But does it still do it after the 2nd wave of earthquake? I've waited for it almost 1 min and didn't see it at all

[warm tendon]

Yes when the double earthquakes begin it will still come down.

[cosmic swan]

Ok do we know the timing? how many time / how often it go up and down?

[warm tendon]

I don't know when it comes down but what could have been is that someone took it already, the rope is a one time, one player use.

[warm tendon]

There is definitively 1-2 minute between each lowering. I've seen it come down at least twice, maybe even 3 times.

[cosmic swan]

So the elevator come up and down multiple time but if someone take it, it don't come back?

[cosmic swan]

Nice, ty 👍

[warm tendon]

It comes from the ceiling. I think every player in the lobby can take it.

[haughty karma]

whats the best way to find ale?

[lilac cloud]

is there an audio bug with rogue stealth?

[cosmic swan]

Yes

[cosmic swan]

Focus small/medium bronze chest and Large wooden chest in frost cavern. I got at least 1 or 2 each game

[warm tendon]

Yes there is.

[olive escarp]

Is the gearscore system not working anymore? I'm gonig in with basically nothing and running into full purple grimsmile guys x.x

[warm olive]

best way to find ale? im having trouble doing that quest

[cosmic swan]

#game-discussion message

[warm olive]

bett just saw it right after i posted lmao

yeah gear score doesnt seem to work anymore

[tiny patio]

did they wipe the game today ?

[warm olive]

got a game with someone with viola while under 300 gs

[graceful storm]

endf of wipe fun

[warm olive]

yea was spectating afterwards looked fun but im just tyrnna find some ale for the quest 😭

[graceful storm]

it only costs 125 gear score for a one handed unique

[edgy solstice]

anyone know where i can see the change log?

[cosmic swan]

There is no detailed patchnote right now

[graceful storm]

change log 🤣 its #📢announcements

[cosmic swan]

Maybe on the wiki in a few day

[edgy solstice]

damn, wanted to see all the changes, not just "hey these are different now, GL figuring it out"

[cosmic swan]

You can see all the weapon balance if you pick fighter with weapon mastery and look at the squire. As much as I know there is no other class balance thant the rogue hide who last for 6 sec now instead of 20 (but have seen is cd reduced from 40 sec to 25)

[torpid rapids]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/i0E316otEqGXqr8CY/d1337qDjN8Al?invite=cr-MSxFWmQsMjM4MTc3OTI5LA

[graceful storm]

@edgy solstice you can check this not sure why I have it or how accurate it is https://pastebin.com/y18HCZNV

[cosmic swan]

And also this #1246151984030023710 message it's a patch note people made about the update of the test server a few day ago and it seem most of those change have been added to the live server

[edgy solstice]

ty, this is what i like to see

[cosmic sparrow]

Dont play at the moment EA/RU/Ti teams are dedosing local connects and killing you before you even enter the game if you want to give them the equivalent of 5usd be my guest but in my opinion rn its not worth playing. Iron mace just dont give us a choice in our server select do auto region hosting please.

[graceful storm]

why would I not play because of this?

[green torrent]

why the hell is rogue hide 6 seconds? like wtf? It was too short to begin with.

[cosmic swan]

#suggestion-discussion message

[cosmic swan]

6 sec is too short, even with the reduced cdr. 10 would be the minimum

[pallid tree]

i usually come here to complain but im very happy with this update and for once in 5 patches i dont lagg!!!! I love the way this is going please keep up on the lag issue and ill play this over any game for a while!

[cosmic swan]

Nice, more good stuff seems to be coming with the wipe 👍

[pallid tree]

Yeah im excited to see what they have in store

[supple pier]

when is next wipe?

[cosmic swan]

June 7th

[supple pier]

lets gooo, any specific time that day?

[woeful plume]

I'm not sure I'm happy about the increased amount of Inferno minions in the High Roller crypts. I knew they did that in the Test a little while back, and was hoping it was a mistake. Guess not. lol

[cosmic swan]

Well a lot of people asked for harder PvE, saying that PvE was boring or too easy. Imo it's a good change. It make PvE more challenging and now it'll be harder for PvP rusher to ignore monster and rush other people

[cosmic swan]

In 1day 23 hour 28 minute and 8 sec (that's probably when the maintenance will start so probably 8-10 hour more)

[woeful plume]

I don't mind harder...but dam sam. That's a LOT of Inferno minions in an elite dungeon.

[cosmic swan]

I still didn't tried it, but it seems to be rough. In the test server patch note it said more nightmare monster in inferno. I don't know if it normal in crypt or just a bug/forget to remove it. And even like that maybe they should lower a bit the nightmare monster. I've seen multiple people say that it was too much

[earnest current]

Dev give rogue another big nerf , Hide only 6sec with perk x2 time that mean only hide for 12 sec.....GG

[cosmic swan]

#suggestion-discussion message

Still agree that 6 sec is too low, 10 would be a minimum

[hasty bloom]

The tooltips were never correct btw the time was always a few sec less than tooltip so its prob more like 10sec with perks

[woeful plume]

It'll for sure slow people down. lol

Especially the solo folks.

[cosmic swan]

That's because rogue have negative buff duration bonus because of negative base will. If you build a bit of will or buff duration you can even extend how long it last. The tooltip is correct, it's just that the hide effect is a buff that scale on buff duration

[dim obsidian]

why is there a waiting period to buy the game ?.. lol

[hasty bloom]

Eh buff duration is an ok stat but Atk/ms always are the goto i wouldn't go for will out of my way

[cosmic swan]

I don't know they probably have a reason

[earnest current]

i test hide , 6sec but maybe 4 sec with perk x2 time maybe 8-12 sec , can't hide now , Ironmace force rogue to fight

[cosmic swan]

Yes but you have 25 sec cd now, so you can do it more often making it more fluid. That allow you to proc ambush more often for exemple. It's not just a free nerf (but yes i agree that 6 sec is too short)

[timid olive]

72h is probably to avoid cc chargebacks from cheaters

[hasty bloom]

Depends on method could be 6mo later and charge back etc

[cosmic swan]

Anyway imo rogue should be reworked, the land mine hide rogue is nor fun for every other player. Something like that would be better #q-and-a message

[timid olive]

some places have an "oopsie daisy" chargeback thats automated

yea rogue having a debuff playstyle would be interesting, watching my friend earlier was mind numbing lmao

[hasty bloom]

Buff rouge build is fun with a crossbow but thats about it, When rupture/ poison stacked with crossbow was fun

[timid olive]

a big thing about rogue is a lot of the maps dont have anywhere to hide

[hasty bloom]

Crypts is still bis map imo #2 is ice caves

[timid olive]

old ruins let rogue parkour and hide a lot

[earnest current]

time to open door if you hide near it took 3-5 sec , so that mean no land mine , ironmace give rogue some hp and still die to fighter 40% PRD or Barbarian 2 tap

[hasty bloom]

Rouge is def the worse class to play if you haven't mastered the pve

[timid olive]

give rogue a whip

[earnest current]

rogue ez deal with PVE but PVP is super hard , this meta belong to fighter PRD , slayer and Barbarian

[hasty bloom]

Rouge 1v3 on Crypts is fun af tho, but thix is awhile ago now balance wasn't as bad but still shitty 1 tap barb 300 hp tank mode

[cosmic swan]

Not anymore yes (except with the double time perk) but I speak about the pre patch rogue or the (I hope) rogue after the wipe with a 10 sec isntead of 6 hide

[hasty bloom]

yea the balance is just so bad lol

[timid olive]

buff barb, too weak

[hasty bloom]

nerf rouge more

[timid olive]

honestly, give rogue a flintlock pistol

[hasty bloom]

hahah rouge gonna need ironman suit to fight a barb fr

[timid olive]

give rogue dwarvish mechaarmor

[hasty bloom]

beside can't you still go lik e 70% PDR fighter / warlock

[cosmic swan]

I think it's a bit less now that you have less PDR/MDR on random attribute

[earnest current]

The problem is not in the hide skill because 6 seconds also depends on the character's basic stats, the start is only 4 seconds not the full 6 seconds, and the support skill x2 the time but x2 of 4-6 seconds is nothing.

[cosmic swan]

That's why I said it should be at least 10sec. I'm not defending the 6 sec in anyway

[hasty bloom]

Eh for the amount of perks you need to make a Viable stealth build just to get 1 tapped by almost anyclass with any decent gear is just not worth it imo better off Battle Rouge perk build, and build Hp/att/ms

[timid olive]

yea

warlock on current patch is silly

[earnest current]

only thing ironmace need is buff support perk +20sec not x2 time or give rogue a perk +hp

[cosmic swan]

That's what I was saying earlier, imo rogue should be reworked. It's ever to weak or everyone hate hime and want him nerf. The hide stuff seem cool and all but imo it don't fit in the game. A support rogue with status effect etc (like that #q-and-a message) would be better and still fun

[hasty bloom]

These are all reason im a self proclaimed DOOMER, no reason to play all classes are broken af could just run around 1 tapping lobbys with barb or sum if i wanted to that badly lol - not to mention buff ball meta for the last year zzzz

[timid olive]

rogue should be a situational ambusher and debuffer/movement hinderer, rogues should have traps as well as ranger.
caltrops/smoke and glue traps

[hasty bloom]

no skill Checking just gear checking 🙂

[timid olive]

hell, let rogue modify inworld traps to poison them/make them stronger

[cosmic swan]

That's a good idea

[timid olive]

wallspike full of neurotoxin that kills the barb instantly

[cosmic swan]

Yeah maybe not that much xD

[hasty bloom]

Whats even worse than base kit rouge is base kit wizards they got it rough lmfao

[timid olive]

give rogue the glockinator

[earnest current]

Ironmace buff some less hp for rogue and nerf perk best move

[cursive pumice]

nice explosive bottle buff FU THIS GAME im finally out after waiting hours for patches i got new world flashbacks dogdevs bought on wish

[cosmic swan]

It's seem that it's a bug not a buff

[cursive pumice]

big changes no info what kind of lowbudget sh** is this?

[hasty bloom]

lol you aint wrong, its been a year of the same ol same ol with this dev team

[ionic sigil]

elaborate

[timid olive]

dnd whip, but rogue

[ionic sigil]

❤️

[odd shell]

when is the wipe

[cosmic swan]

June 7th, in less than 2 day. In 1 Day 22 hours 49 min and 28 sec

[timid olive]

I hope they surprise us with reworked ruins

[cosmic swan]

(Probably before the maintenance to put the new patch so except 8-10 more hours)

[cosmic swan]

I hope too, but they've said multiple time that it wasn't a priority right now and that it would come back later

[cursive pumice]

hadnt time to play in the last weeks tryed to use some bis stuff and losing it in cheap fights to bugs or dogdevchanges thx for giving me this fun time never ever wast and waster

[timid olive]

literally unplayable, refunding

[graceful storm]

skill issue

[cosmic swan]

... pls don't. That's just dumb

[cursive pumice]

have fun in a dead game us cu**

[graceful storm]

so was his post

[gritty flume]

THEY'RE NOT HOTFIXING BOTTLES LOL

[cosmic swan]

Maybe but that don't mean you have to feed the troll a be as low as him

[graceful storm]

whats wrong with bottles

[cosmic swan]

The wipe is in less than 2 day. Probably no hotfixe until then

[cosmic swan]

A bug they deal insane amout of damage

[graceful storm]

ok bet

[gritty flume]

Molotovs and oil lanterns instant kill right now, they're just letting that be i guess. No problem game completely unplayable until wipe. It's comical at this point

[cosmic swan]

"Until wipe" is 2 day come on. Take a break from the game if you take it like that, you'll be happy to come back and try the new stuff

[cursive pumice]

im doing a break for ever from this game and everyone should do the same and dont support them anymore and wasting time

[cosmic swan]

Cool take a break from the discord too 👍 I don't want to be rude but what your doing is useless

[woeful plume]

lol For real.

[lunar summit]

gotta concur with the guys above

[vernal trench]

Any list now of whatever undocumented class changes?

[cosmic swan]

Nop not yet, maybe on the wiki in a few hours/day. But from what i've seen for class change there is only the rogue hide that have been changed. Now it only last foe 6 sec (12 with perk that double the time) but have a cd of 25 sec instead of 40. (My though about it : #suggestion-discussion message)

[cosmic swan]

But if you mean in general and not just change of the last hotfix look at the wiki : https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Classes (everything might not be up to date tho)

[vernal trench]

Thanks!

[signal chasm]

where do i can post pictures? i need help leaving the dungeon, dont know how to use the blue stuff in minimap to leave the goblin dungeon

[timid olive]

ropes come down once damage starts

[signal chasm]

ahhhhh interesting

[gritty flume]

I guess removing oil lanterns and molotovs in a hotfix is just UNTHINKABLE. Don't save the good graces of the playerbase by enabling fun pre wipe. Nahhh the two hour patch just wouldn't be worth it. The people waiting weeks to take cool gear into HR can just get fked i guess

Friend just had the best idea. Make the throwables have 0 throw distance so every bottle abusing scum gets instantly self deleted

[rapid galleon]

what was the map with down portals?

[wicked geyser]

hello anyone else having an issue with the squire and not being able to set some loadouts? I click "set base gear" and it says "inappropriate slot"?

[cosmic swan]

Yes it's a issue with stuff like throwing knive, try removing them from your kit

[wicked geyser]

oh wow thanks.. i should have been able to figure that out lol

[cosmic swan]

Crypt (But in game it's something like "Forgotten castle" if i'm right)

[rapid galleon]

its still in the game right?

[cosmic swan]

Yes, for now. But they plan removing the zone and probably portal in every map so it will happen to crypt too some day (can stil go in inferno but not with portal anymore i guess)

[rapid galleon]

broo

[cosmic swan]

Imo it's a good thing, it need work around it. But removing the zone in every map is good (maybe portal can stay but they make less sense without zone)

[rapid galleon]

ya the zone but portals gone is kinda crazy

[cosmic swan]

PvP fight shouldn't be forced like they are by the zone. They should be incentived by special room / event / objectiv on the map like the hoard in middle frost cavern or by stuff like that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[cosmic swan]

I don't know I kinda like the new escape system. It's part of the incentive to PvP. Everyone know where the escape are and might fight for them

[amber berry]

Hey guys check fan art tell me if you approve ❤️🤗

[zealous chasm]

Tornado hit near my house...but I was busy playing Dark and Darker in the basement!

[jade hamlet]

Yo, this shit is free to play now? wtf? wheres my money back?

[zealous chasm]

You have to buy it to get access to most of the game.

[slate hedge]

I only play one character and only do normal dungeons

[cosmic swan]

You only have part of the game. Only normal mode, only 1 character, no trade with other player

[zealous chasm]

Why? You are missing most of the game content.

[mild tulip]

To bring Ruins back they gotta get rid of the ranged meta first tbh

[slate hedge]

I mostly play solo and haven't needed to trade one time

[mild tulip]

And so far they seem incapable of doing that

[cosmic swan]

Was that for @royal?

[jade hamlet]

I do not think its right to charge people to plaa a game and turn around and then make it free.

Dont care if they are limiting most of the game behind a paywall, its why all games are trash now adays, because money is all they care about at this point

[cosmic swan]

Might happen with the last hotfix. Barb cleric fighter meta in coming if nothing change with the wipe (it's probably going to change again)

[zealous chasm]

Yes, miss clicky!

[knotty kernel]

Shill more pls

[zealous chasm]

Just give Wiz and Bard pet Dragons to even up the playing field.
Oh yeah, the Rogue can get... a smoking pipe.

[cosmic swan]

? Shill? (I don't understand sry)

[slate hedge]

@zealous chasm no I bought the biggest edition of this game back when it dropped on their own launcher, but I don't care to play high rollers, and never once had to trade to another player... And all I play is a warlock. But it annoys me that I payed for the games. But now anyone can come do exactly what I am doing for free..

[cosmic swan]

I understand you but I think you'r an exception. There is probably few people who play like you

For most of the people, the f2p is more like a free 2 test. And it's a way to make your friend try the game, or try it by yourself and then buy it

[gilded prairie]

Even if the game became entirely free to play; I'd honestly just be happy that other people who might not have joined the dungeons previously; are getting a good opportunity to join us now.

More people to share the dungeons with; they all deserve the chance to fall in love with it like I did.

[cosmic swan]

Exactly, that's how I feel about it too 🤝

[crisp ingot]

I have an issue in Frost Mountains where all my sound was muffled is that by design or a bug?

[cosmic swan]

While standing near walls?

[crisp ingot]

I was near an extract fighting mobs and then all my sound was muffled

[empty zealot]

well said

[cosmic swan]

I got something similar too, probably a bug if you can clip it try sending it here #report-a-bug

[twilit viper]

Im so happy it became free to play ans broken that will encourage new players to stay

Explosive bottles 1 shot lanturn shield blocks when not blocking all sound fuxked

[cosmic swan]

It's a bug, oil lanter and explosive bottle deal insane amout of damage now. Not sure they'll fix it before the wipe (it's in like 44h)

[gilded prairie]

There's a bug where your sound will get muffled if a rogue / wiz goes invisible near you.

It's possible that was the case

[heavy island]

If any of you think this patch is good your brain is full fried

[zealous chasm]

Well, they did make the market work much better, can sell all this loot raining from the sky for fat bucks!

[patent breach]

Anyone else just not getting into lobby's with other people

[trim fern]

does the slayer perk on fighter work with the hand crossbow?

[mystic trellis]

I personally think that barb, the most tanky class should be able to go 305 with felling axe buffs and full armor

tho i might just not have enough experience against Barbs

[knotty kernel]

unless they changed it yes

[forest cape]

anyone know why i cant add a friend in the game? i write his name and the game say me that this acc dont exist

[vocal siren]

@forest cape find him in the gathering halls like the rest of us

[static rapids]

You’re writing the characters name and not the account name my friend

[forest cape]

[static rapids]

[forest cape]

❤️

[limpid folio]

ACTUALLY AMAZING CHANGES!!!!

[uncut lion]

my fps dropped by 30 since the patch

[gritty flume]

Yo is everyone cool with how doors suck you into the room and how it's almost impossible to block someone from chasing you into a closing doorway, because it's actually ridiculous

[wispy hedge]

Is the f2p timer to buy the game unique to each account? Or is the timer just basing off the new season?

[trim fern]

Just saw a barb with 180 hp in hr....

[undone peak]

a cinder worth a fulgor?

[brisk mason]

not even close

[crystal turtle]

goblin effects are absolutely ridiculous, cool idea but terrible execution

[peak bane]

Anyone got a Nipalan or a Pestilence they'd be willing to sell?

[timid sky]

is that all? lol.

[tawny robin]

180 wasn't even hard to achieve pre-patch

[muted verge]

After wipe what is the required level to use Auction house?

[cosmic swan]

20 (If I remember well. 15 or 20)

[muted verge]

Yeah I was curious if they left it at 20 or back to 15.

Just watched the onepeg video and honestly Most of the changes sound great. I like that there's no br ciricle anymore and the portal indcator on ground is legit

[timid sky]

Real talk. devs know roughly half of the new players coming in for FTP will be playing fighter to start (no surprise). they just wanna give em a leg up on all you sweaty true dmg stackin timmy two-tappin rogues/rangers. Can't let you run amok and drive away all the fresh faces now (or their wallets)

[misty blade]

any advice for farming kobold ears?

[cedar hornet]

Kill every kobald

[grim scarab]

sorry but i need to response although it might be not the right channel.
blueprint VM simply calls C++ functions (https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/bp-virtual-machine-and-threads/458284). thats were the discussion started and i end it now
and JRE contains JVM

[muted verge]

how are they giving fighters a leg up?

[timid sky]

The patch heavily favors classes such as fighter/barb due to the speed "normalization" from gear/weapons as well as the overhaul (reduction) of random modifiers and true damage from gear which has scaled back burst damage on classes like rogue/ranger (to a greater effect, comparatively) which they were reliant on prior to patch. Especially in HR lobbies

[muted verge]

hmms so you're saying fighters in armor will be just as fast as ranger?

[hollow wasp]

When does the server wipe? Aka how long do we have to do the cosmetic quests?

[timid sky]

They won't be the same speed but the gap is much smaller now than it was prior to patch

[muted verge]

That is scary, I guess one bright side is we don't have a circle forcing us into melee range anymore. So that should help range classes with keeping space. so idk maybe it won't feel as bad. WIll have to play to know for sure

[verbal scroll]

it doesn't heavily favor barb. barb has a damage trading advantage even naked, and the most common barb loadout in normals is lizardman, no helmet, no body armor, and loose trousers. if barb puts on the northern tunic, he is less slowed than before, but he is still slower than the people he chases, and for what? to survive 1 more longbow shot? the biggest buff is to full plate fighters, which were already common and gained significant movespeed

[cosmic swan]

Something like 42h

[grave sentinel]

we didnt gain any movespeed as afull pdr fighter all of my sets that were ms are slower than they were do some research

[verbal scroll]

the armor items explicitly state that they reduce movespeed less than before.

are you saying the tooltips are wrong?

[grave sentinel]

but we no longer gain a lot of move speed from agility

the only way fighters were as fast as we was was the chapel and + agility on all gear since it isnt as significant anymore all of our builds are literally slower

yeah the penalty got reduced but your not taking into account we was running swift which was negating a lot of that penalty already

the more penalty the more swift does now that there isnt a lot fo penalty it doesnt do much on a full set it changes maybe 8-10 ms

where as before swift was a 15-25 ms difference

[cosmic swan]

I could agree with that but, like the fighter you have a +12% speed buff (who's incredible now that agi is nerfed) add that to weapon and armor with less mc penalty and the 15 more hp (thats combo with the 15% max hp perk) and I feel like barb is kinda favored by this hotfix

[verbal scroll]

the other classes are effected by the same agi curve nerf. even if you are slower than before wearing the buffed plate armor, you gained speed relative to all of the players who took the same agi curve nerf and gained less speed from the armor

[grave sentinel]

no we didnt i can assure you i have 3000 hours in this game as fighter we are now slower than ever b4

[verbal scroll]

I agree that barb is favored.

[grave sentinel]

a Bis fighter set used to get me 315 ms 330 sprint and weapons out now i can get maybe 310 weapons out even on a bis set

[timid sky]

No. Other classes are slower now due to the speed normalization from gear and agi nerf. So fighter is much faster, comparatively.

[verbal scroll]

but fighter's speed did improve relative to the other classes. especially ones with higher AGI

[cosmic swan]

xD you still have sprint who give 50 flat ms

[grave sentinel]

what does 50 plus 240 equal 290? you catching anyboidy with 290 ms weapons out ? no

most sets are putting you at 240-250 weapons out you hit sprint weapons out you cant catch shit

[verbal scroll]

I should have followed my instincts and stopped reading this guy's posts at "we was"

[grave sentinel]

grammar is no relevance on intelligence get over yourself

[timid sky]

He's a troll or eating crayons like most fighter mains.

[mortal wren]

real

[zealous chasm]

Kinda lost the point of the game here.
Run normal, escape down, escape again.
Sell loot, repeat.

[verbal scroll]

you and the devs both. they keep making it easier to escape without fighting or even seeing anybody

[zealous chasm]

Aye, from their point of view, the more you get, the more kit you get, money you make, the more likely you are to play, and enter HR because you have so much kit.

[zealous jewel]

can you not currently purchase the game?

[cosmic swan]

Imo that's part of the game, people shouldn't be force to PvP if they dont want to. But PvP should be incentived by objective on the map, like the hoard in the middle of frost cavern, the static exit but more important stuff like that https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem special module like that would attract people who want to farm, and people who want to PvP. It's best of both world imo. This game is a dungeon crawler with PvP not a BR centered around PvP (Don't hesitate to vote for this suggestions I think it would be very good 👍)

[cosmic swan]

And unfortunately that's also because the population is low right now so lobby are not full. (and I hope it'll change with this f2p version and the incoming wipe content)

[static rapids]

When it happened to me, they didn’t lose my fresh face or my wallet, let em suffer it builds character lmao

[wispy hedge]

Why do I have to wait 48 hours to buy the game

[timid olive]

Probably so their payment processor doesnt get overloaded

Is hold the line gone now? I cant find it on the website

[muted verge]

after playing a free account? That's to hinder gold farmers.

[woeful plume]

I think on HR Crypts at least, the amount of Nightmare mobs is going to slow everyone down.

[quaint plover]

whats the loud noise

[neat tundra]

on rouge?

[toxic nest]

im collecting ale at such a slow rate, im opening chests and after like 10 games i got 6 ales. I do not clear slowly as I have used a longsword for a while now. I heard about a library to check but i rarely find it, where is it usually?

[neat tundra]

Play crypts and rush libaryu

[toxic nest]

right, where is it usually? top left bottom right?

and you have to do it on crypts lol

[autumn hollow]

does anyone else miss the old goblin caves?

[neat tundra]

I think the rockfall is annoying as i usually bring little heals and only start looting chests at the end of the game. But i like the other mechanics they added

[autumn hollow]

i guess people dont enjoy the pvp

[neat tundra]

https://darkanddarker.map.spellsandguns.com/map/Crypt-01-N heres a map. on crypts 2 left middle is the room u want

[toxic nest]

my man

[neat tundra]

'i sent u a dm of a ss of the room

[quaint plover]

where do you see total pllayer count?

[primal raven]

Player list in bottom right of lobby

[crimson osprey]

want to clarify new players who dont have legendary status cannot play high roller or use the trade market?

[timid olive]

Correct

[static snow]

rogue feels like they can't compete anymore in gear vs gear matchups at all

[timid olive]

They can, but only against rangers and wizards at point blank

[static snow]

im moving my rogue gear over to my fighter, will be much better lol

[echo olive]

Anyone know when wipe will be?

[loud ravine]

any reason all my characters highroller rank is gone?

[spare wedge]

where tf is the ale now !?!

[spring veldt]

sub 299 lobby is gone?

[snow charm]

GBMM gone?

[spring veldt]

seems like it, just loaded in duos both at 250, and went against ~800 people

[snow charm]

Also what are with the mobs in Ice Caverns high roller? Theyre like turbo insane

Seem way more agressive than normal

[heady mica]

is test server usable? i cant make an account

[lunar junco]

dumb question are quests broken right now?

[gilded prairie]

Quests have been deactivated since this last patch, as it's the end of wipe.

( Excluding some quests that provide rewards exclusive to this season )

[muted verge]

upvote if you want to help stop cheaters https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/559062/fix-hr-spectating-so-we-can-help-you-catch-cheaters

[whole flare]

I think they said you can upgrade your account once the wipe starts

[neat tundra]

ProTip Dont be friendly if u want to win

[neat tundra]

what cheats are out there. The only one ik is esp. And those guys are everywhere. It feels( The 2 games ive played in norms have been fine however in the last 10 mins ealier it felt like every match somone would walk right to u )

[muted verge]

Rangers are the next most common with aim hacks. You ever feel like that guy shoulnd't have landed 3 arrows through a door window. report him cuz stat wise it's more likely he's cheatin than a really good player. I have seen teleporting barb. I have also seen reach hack which some might think it's lag but no it's a cheat where they have increased reach on weapons. Lot of the flashy ones get flagged pretty quick. so you don't see alot of them. Walls and anyting with arrows/bolts are the harder ones to prove.

[neat tundra]

Ive seen ppl advertsing their reach on utube but teleportation havnt seen that yet. And ya i figured most rangers are using aim bot atleast their aim feels like it.

[muted verge]

Some ppl will B line for pvp but there's a huge red flag if they never stop and listen. Normal players will stop for several seconds and listen before moving towards your direction. Cheaters using walls will never stop to listen because they can see you and everyone else. They can even see what you're wearing.

[neat tundra]

Good advice

[muted verge]

I have a clip of a ranger who could fire all of his arrows at once without even taking the skill to shoot multiple arrows. Lol my friend quit the game because it was his first HR experince.

[subtle heart]

bruh

[neat tundra]

Most rangers w aimbot dont need to look at u while shooting. Atleast the ones i saw on utube. They can just have their aim circle on u and it will hit

[muted verge]

Be really cool if devs banned a cheater based off your report you get some kind of compensation. Like gear lost back.

[chilly crag]

Hopefully when the game gets on different platforms it will also improve the anticheat

[rapid imp]

hello

when is wipe ?

[quick steeple]

tomorrow evening

[humble slate]

Last wipe didnt start until Saturday AM hours PST

The servers are going down close to the same time as before I believe

[rapid imp]

well rule no 1 . Dont play dark and darker on patch day. Glad i am not at home tomorrow

[quick steeple]

WTT illusory for explosive bottle

not like you can play competetively rn anyway

[muted verge]

I wouldn't worry about what time wipe is because lets be real. The servers will be on fire and you won't be able to login anyway. By some miracle you get in for some reason their will be a 5 sec delay.

[quick steeple]

may as well take a break for a few days

[rapid imp]

just tired for shopping and stuff. Someone wanna trade a Full fighter set . Can offer 20k + Gold coin chest

[tribal roost]

so whats with the bug where you load in, with no UI Cursor, Cant open Inventory etc

[rapid imp]

start first game since a few days. Getting teamed by 2 guys. Fuck this game as long as teaming dont get punished harder i am out

[marble hazel]

yo guys does anyone know if we can move Dark and darker to another pc without redownloading or not?

[gritty cloud]

what time do the servers go down tommorrow?

[quick steeple]

sooner the better

[subtle heart]

theoretically it should be possible. simply copy the folder to the other pc and install blacksmith launcher there and make sure the install path is the same where the directory is

the insyall path of the game i mean when you click install within the launcher

[sonic loom]

Do anybody know when is the nestt session?

[cosmic swan]

What?

[cosmic swan]

If you mean the wipe/next season. It's June 7th, in a bit more than 24h

[cosmic swan]

Well it seem a good amout of player came back with the ladt hotfix/before the wipe. And as the only quest remaining are the cosmetic one i'm not surprised that a lot of people try doing them only now

Best advice would be to go on a server where it's not peak time and try to farm here I guess?

[reef dragon]

anyone know what the new blue stone circles on the floor are in the goblin caves?

[opaque geyser]

@glad thunder ppl still preteam 2days before wipe its crazy here is the next one Paltose2

[surreal aspen]

it means the blue escape portal will spawn there eventually

[cosmic swan]

I think they removed blue portal on Goblin cave. It might be something else

[surreal aspen]

no. its a blue portal 100%

[vapid arch]

they still spawn but idk how many

i extracted with one during the ceiling caving in bit

[cosmic swan]

Oh ok, interessting. Need to check if it's fix spawn or random. So what's this blue stone circle Bryer talked about? Did you see that too?

[surreal aspen]

i just explained it, the portal will spawn from the circle after some time

[rocky steppe]

Hey guys in goblin cave when cave starts colapsing do you need to move out or is it a temporarly thing

[vapid arch]

its like frost cave, eventually you'll die if you dont extract

[cosmic swan]

Ok, sry (I didn't understand it well). Do you know if they're always at the same place or are they here since the beginning of the game/ appear a few minute before the portal spawn?

[rocky steppe]

And do portals spawn becaus there is no circle?

[cosmic swan]

Well there is more Static exit now (rope on side of the map, and an elevator in the middle room) but it seem there is still a few portal too

[vapid arch]

only 1 or two, you have to do statics really

[inland quiver]

@glad thunder @zinc sparrow Limit normal matches to people under level 30 or have level based matchmaking. (Too many high level players 40-50-80-100-300+) Abusing new players. Dont let the game die out or stunt growth because of this

[vapid arch]

lol that's a terrible idea

[quick fern]

do you feel better when you die to a goblin or a player ?

[vapid arch]

there's plenty of reasons for a high level character to do normals

[inland quiver]

goblin

[inland quiver]

ok so level based match making then 40 and below, 41 and above

[vapid arch]

sure but you're arguing for matchmaking in a lobby where everyone has poor gear, if anything the presence of skilled players helps people understand the skill curve and what to do

[inland quiver]

sure its poor gear but there are people that literally buy full whites to have the advantage, its no different from GBMM where people were BIS 299 and below

if I was a new person and I kept getting shit on by the same 4 people re queing and I never get any loot or escape or learn to fights mobs I'd just quit

this game needs players, it sits at 3k at best during good hours, it used to be way more but the double wipe and other things killed it

[vapid arch]

having 1 more hp from adventurer tunic or 1 more damage on a weapon is barely an advantage compared to the minmaxing in 299

[vapid arch]

its at 3k players after leaderboards a day before wipe, whenever there's a new wipe or new major content like MC it easily reaches over 10k

[inland quiver]

but against new players it is the advantage

[inland quiver]

10k for a week ?

[simple rampart]

when is the wipe?

[vapid arch]

against anyone its an advantage, what im saying is that its negligible and an experienced player will beat a new player even without it

[inland quiver]

in like a day and a half

[cosmic swan]

June 7th. In 1day 9hour

[simple rampart]

thanks

[orchid quartz]

lets be real here new players will probably die to skellys anyway so not like it really matters

[vapid arch]

even if that's true the solution isn't to baby people into a game that's a looter extraction and meant to be hardcore, you're just lining them up to get blasted in HR

if someone wants to invest their time into a game like this then they will, if they don't then they won't

i thought this game was ass until i actually learned attack patterns of mobs and the layout of maps and figured out what i was doing

[inland quiver]

thats true but they will at least learn and find out how to dodge etc, getting rushed down by some level 300 is not what I would like to expierence js

[slate ember]

i kinda see what you are saying but i doubt anyone wants to invest in a game where a lvl 200 just wipes the floor with them over and over

[orchid quartz]

that's more of a map design issue like the old ruins map if people are getting rushed down

[vapid arch]

you're saying this like there's high level players prowling every single lobby in normals for the sole sake of pvp

im sure all the experienced players have an abundance of gear that they'd like to use before it gets wiped

[inland quiver]

I hate to break it to you, but there are

[slate ember]

exactly ^^^

[orchid quartz]

sadly there's a decent amount of them

[sturdy kiln]

there definitely is

[inland quiver]

I am queuing for ales not killing new players and there is the same guy perma wiping a lobby each map above 80 or above 300

[slate ember]

sure we should not baby new players but atleast let them have fun for a lil bit let them get an interest of the game before they keep dying 💀

[vapid arch]

and when they made a matchmaking limit before the people that went into normals to kill noobs just created new characters

there's no perfect system and anything can be abused

[quick fern]

actually yes theres nothing else to do

[cosmic swan]

We all started in a game where there was no gear restriction and where we were getting rush by full purple geared player while barely having a white gear. And we are still here

[quick fern]

more of a skill issue and no skill matchmaking issue

[inland quiver]

everyone was new at the time and it was easy to fight etc

[slate ember]

true but the player count was higher and was not as likly to get rushed every game

[cosmic swan]

Normal is the same experience than we had but better, don't need to make it even more easy I agree with @vapid arch

[alpine mural]

Yeah, and there are a lot of people that aren't anymore cuz couldn't play the game 😄

[slate ember]

now the player count so low you beg for fight interaction

[quick fern]

old maps were smaller and had more players it was all about the pvp

[inland quiver]

the 3k people that are left vs the 97k that left

[quick fern]

the 97k left cuz less and less pvp tho

[cosmic swan]

That's not true for everyone, people who started to play middle of EA had to fight people who was here since PT 3 it's kinda the same.

[alpine mural]

The game need players, if you start a game that u either get killed by mobs or rushed by players, there is no point on playing it

[cosmic swan]

And yes player count was higher but it'll probably go up with the wipe and new f2p feature

[inland quiver]

f2p locked in normals still getting killed by people with 5000 fame 😴

[cosmic swan]

Come on, you know that it's not why everyone leaved. It's more about missed deadline? Bad IM decision or too rushed one etc

Not because the game is hardcore. The game never hide to be hardcore, back then people came here knowing that I believe

[alpine mural]

Thats the point, we will all need to play normals on wipe, if we are playing against new players they prob are not playing anymore

Fame should be used to queue people on the lobby

[inland quiver]

I know thats not why everyone left, double wipe , other bs from ironmace, etc but now the new players arent gonna stay. they can just go back to other games they will genuinely have fun with than getting that level 187 or 307 perma wiping the lobby

[cosmic swan]

Sry a lot of people have answered to me and i'm not that fast at tipping. Mb if I don't answer everyone

[cosmic swan]

Yes why not, that could be a solution. Fame on class not character so even if you delete your character you still have a high fame lvl

[cosmic swan]

And I don't think we'll all play in norm most people will go HR even at the start of new season

[alpine mural]

You can't go on HR before level 20, thats why

I'm not playing normals if I have a choise

[cosmic swan]

But we could have done so too in the past? I don't know why it would be different now that the condition are better than what we had? (And hopefully now that IM is going in the good way with a bigger crew)

[cosmic swan]

Oh ok, yeah but now you lvl up like really fast. Make a few game grabbing only treasure and you'll be lvl 20 reaaaaaaaly fast

[inland quiver]

in the past there wasnt a level 300 solo wiping his ass the everyone in the lobby. The kill feed was hardly littered with 1 person

[alpine mural]

They will prob release the game on epic soon, if they don't do something for new players they will prob quit the game

[alpine mural]

Thats for people that don't die, if u are a new player and can play 1 min before getting killed, you will quit the game before level 5

[quick fern]

what about every time barb is op

[cosmic swan]

You may have forgot but in EVERY lobby even in normal they was at least 2 team of full purple stuff player rushing every other guys in the lobby (and mostly people with base kit)

[inland quiver]

idk what lobbies you were in tbh but there were rarely any of that in NA EAST and WEST

[uneven cloak]

whens wipe??

[inland quiver]

barb needs nerf!

[cosmic swan]

Yes but the lvl 300 who are going to kill every new player are those you won't die and go fast in HR. Maybe the verybeginning will be hard for new player but it's like a matter of 2-3 day

[inland quiver]

1 day 9 hrs ish tomorrow

[cosmic swan]

You're lucky, EU was hell then

[alpine mural]

Bro, they are not playing for 2-3 days

[quick fern]

gotta keep barb strong for new players to have an easy character and not quit like youre saying

[cosmic swan]

Sry i dont understand?

[inland quiver]

The only reason why me and some other people ik still play is because we had each other and had fun some new players just finding wont even want to recommend to their friends

[quick fern]

having to use the gathering hall or discord to play teams is awful pls fix

[inland quiver]

fighter is all rounder they can play that 15 iin all stats !

[inland quiver]

should be able to queue fills

[cosmic swan]

I really don't think so, they'll find their fun in learning the game, the mob, the skill, the class, the map. Like we did in the past. In way worst condition than now

[cosmic swan]

True

[inland quiver]

they wont learn any of that they will get ran down by the level 300 do you not understand 💀

[quick fern]

the game was trios only before people only played with friends

[slate ember]

they wont be able to learn that if they get demolished by the 300

and then imaging in duos there will be two of them💀

[quick fern]

nah new players need a cleric in the squad its better if they play teams

[alpine mural]

Bro is learning all the ways to die, death screen speedrun!!!

[cosmic swan]

@slate ember @inland quiver I don't agree with that. My take is still the same : The game was harder and even less fair before. We are still here and enjoyed the game anyway. Now it's better and easier for new player and I think they wont leave for that. And imo making the game too soft in normal/f2p is a bad idea because if the new player like it, want more and buy the real game, start a HR run and get absolutely destroyed by experienced player optimizing there -299 stuff and stomping them like they never seen at all (because they only fought people their lvl in normal) That's where they'll start hating the game and will stop playing / regret buying it

[alpine mural]

Thats a point! A really bad one, but can't deny its one

[chilly sentinel]

This was constant in NA east lol

[white magnet]

bring back multiclassing you nonces

[inland quiver]

I don't agree with that. This yap session has gone on for far too long. Just say you hate new players and game growth. The game is not easier and better for new players. A warlock was dying to torches ! I saw it with my own eyes !

[alpine mural]

Why new players getting the game for free would ever uninstall after getting shit on all day? thats so fun!

[inland quiver]

too many players at the time for it to be significant tbh I barely ran into it

yeah it was a problem now they made a limit

[chilly sentinel]

I think the gs bracket should be sub 200 maybe even 150 I think the min maxing is fun but you get away with too much in 300

[inland quiver]

now there is a problem with new players getting fucked over by level 300 solo wiping lobbies

they gonna make a limit for that too?

[chilly sentinel]

I feel like you’re making up the new players getting wiped by level 300 as a straw man argument? I mean yeah it can definitely happen but clearly you’re not the new player? So do you just know a bunch of new players that’s happening to?

[cosmic swan]

Yep i agree it should be something like 0-150 or 200 then 200-400 and 400+

[vapid arch]

terrible idea

[inland quiver]

I am running normals for ales I ran into so many new players that I just walked away from only to see some guy with 300 fame/level in the pre lobby and one name popping up in the kill feed over and over

[alpine mural]

If u play a normal lobby to make the lasts quests u will see it

[slate ember]

in that last part where they only fought people their skill level is a lot better because back when i played i only played normals there were rarely any purple gear rushers and i was having fun getting an interest in how to dodge mobs and to fight players then i tried highroller and got destoryed so bad lost everything i thought was good but i didnt quit the game because i was able to like the game before i got curb stomp so then i tried to become better and i did, i just do highrollers now, but my point is that i would never have had that drive to play this game if i did not have the prior interest i got from playing in normals without getting rushed or learning the game with my friends tbh if i started the game and tried to learn barb or fighter a class that are supposed to be tanky and then gets destoyed by a rogue over and over i def would not want to play @cosmic swan

[chilly sentinel]

I think there needs to be just two brackets for lobbies to be full but maybe sub 200 or 150 but meds don’t count? I think that’d be in a good spot

[chilly sentinel]

Yeah I haven’t played normals for a bit but I mean it is like the final week of wipe everyone’s very high level and it’s a bad time to be joining in as a new player

[cosmic swan]

Well I don't know what to say maybe people in EU are animal but all the game was people with good gear ruskinh all the lobby. And @chilly sentinel seem to say that it was the same in NA

[inland quiver]

even before last week of wipe I saw people who exclusively play normals that were 130+ now they are probably in that 200-300 range (Exclusively becaause he had ttv in his name and all his vods were normals)

[alpine mural]

Thats why they removed it, cuz it was a problem

[cosmic swan]

Yes and that's why now we have normal restricted gear. And I think it's enough no need to make it even more easy and friendly imo

[alpine mural]

They can do the same but instead of purple gear is just skill difference

[cosmic swan]

Well we can agree that we don't agree about how the normal should be and stop it here I think

[chilly sentinel]

Yeah around that time there was always at least two fully geared teams in normals for me, I also went into those lobbies because hunting those players was better than HR

[alpine mural]

For people that plays the game it is enough, but if u can't even hit a mob how are u supposed to play against someone that are only there to pvp?

[slate ember]

the restricted gear is only really effective in highroller people where in normals lvl 300s min max and know how to fight kill bosses hunt down these lvl 1s like its the purge

one thing tho is why @cosmic swan think its that much of an bad idea

[cosmic swan]

Well maybe it's the opposite now because in EU people don't do that in normal

[chilly sentinel]

I agree that that’s lame especially if they’re just trying to make content out of killing new players but I don’t think level based is the solution hopefully with the new matchmaking there will be something that helps that

[slate ember]

ok lets say its a possbilty of it happening why wouldnt we want to stop it before it happens then

[cosmic swan]

"And imo making the game too soft in normal/f2p is a bad idea because if the new player like it, want more and buy the real game, start a HR run and get absolutely destroyed by experienced player optimizing there -299 stuff and stomping them like they never seen at all (because they only fought people their lvl in normal) That's where they'll start hating the game and will stop playing / regret buying it" said it earlier

But pls let's stop here. We won't be agree, stop spamming the channel. Let other people talk and ask question

[inland quiver]

even if they arent trying to make content there are still people like that. level base mm or only letting people with new accounts fight other new accounts for a few games would be better

[slate ember]

bruh you just keep going in circles not elaborating but alr

[inland quiver]

There are other games that for the first few games or days let new players fight other new players or even bots and people stick to those games more than just getting instantly destroyed over and over and over on every map

[cosmic swan]

Well yes ok, i'm the one who don't elaborate. It's must be that and your right. Let stop now

[alpine mural]

As I said, you have a point, just not a good one

[chilly sentinel]

Well I think HR rank solves this issue but obviously it doesn’t exist in normal, I think the other flaw is there are probably a lot of people that enjoy the game that don’t get good, so they’d be getting fed to those players as well. Probably just an implementation of a normals rank based on your successes would solve what you’re looking for

[modest maple]

DID THEY FIX MOLOTOV GLITCH?

[steep acorn]

I love getting stomped In a new game, It just makes me realise how trash I am and I only want to get better.

[inland quiver]

not everyone is a masochist like us... 😭

[chilly sentinel]

No I think most people think it won’t get patched til the wipe

[modest maple]

daym 😭

[alpine mural]

Why wouldn't you like it right? More room to learn the game! You can watch your death replay and see what u did wrong!

[steep acorn]

I don't want to watch me stepping on a stupid trap over and over again 😢

[cosmic swan]

I think it @alpine mural who came with this idea earlier but a Fame matchmaking could be a solution if you absolutely want to avoid experience player in new player game. Make fame about the class not only a specific character and you can use that to make a matchmaking in normal mode

[chilly sentinel]

That would make sense so you can’t just make a new char same class but I still think that results in players who play a lot but aren’t good in not having a good time, there’s always a downside

[cosmic swan]

True

[alpine mural]

I mean, my only point is to make new players have a better time learning the game, the fame woudn't be a fix for that other issue

[floral heath]

has reset happened yet?

[inland quiver]

tomorrow

[floral heath]

thanks

[cosmic swan]

Nop 1 day 8 hour 22 min

[alpine mural]

The game needs more players and dying over and over for players that only play the game doesn't helps a lot

[inland quiver]

@chilly sentinel just dmed you showing some evidence

[alpine mural]

For ranking normals, people usually don't like having ranks on normal games, not really sure what could be done

[inland quiver]

a guy only there for pvp and full inven of potions bandages and white gear

[muted tiger]

i dont like the new skelly champion animations. well actually, the animations themselves are pretty cool, but not interrupting the combo chain with riposte/block is a step backwards.

[cosmic swan]

Yep I agree and it seem that the hit happen faster than the animation. Don't know if it's only me. I feel like he attack faster than before the hotfix

[muted tiger]

he used to stop attacking when you blocked him but now he just powers through

[cosmic swan]

Imo increase the timing that trigger the 2nd/3rd hit of the combo would have been enough. Because I agree that it was too easy to make him attack only one time, step back, hit him a few time and repeat

[worn arrow]

Based skeleton champion could not give a fuck about your blocks xd

Tbh making AI harder instead of fixing cheeses just makes people wanna cheese more, which i doubt is their goal. Would be nice if it was needed to actually kill the subbosses in a 1 on 1 instead of standing on a barrel and poking it for 2 minutes

[cosmic swan]

👍 it was a bit too easy last hotfix but right now it too hard/take too much time again

[mint finch]

anyone else unable to submit kobold ears for the quest?

[vapid arch]

are they looted?

[mint finch]

they arent...

[zealous chasm]

Twitchers need kills, so they play normals and boot stomp noobs.

"We have added a flat HP boost to all classes..." Phat kids get trophies too!

[muted patio]

20 Kobold ears and 4 Wendigos, here we go

[cosmic swan]

Do we know if crafted item have more gear scord than normal item? Like does copper lightfoot boots cost more gear point than normal green one? Because crafted gear are going to be the new top in HR less than 299 (if that doesn't change) blue gear with 3 random attribute is crazy.

Imo crafted gear with one more random attribute is a good thing. It make them more attractive/worth to craft and that's cool, but they need to cost more gear score otherwise Hr is gonna be even worst than last season, with people who have even more powerfull optimized gear

[muted patio]

If you looted them from someone you killed, I think the looted state doesn't stay

And if you bought them from AH, that's not how quests are meant to be

[graceful storm]

if they were looted in game and you take them from a body they stay looted. The only way theyre handled if someone took them out of a match and back in

[full garnet]

any tips to get to and kill wendigos? I can't seem to get to one and kill it

[muted patio]

I see

[unreal obsidian]

loving these free to play lobbies.. lol.. poor guys are getting slaughtered

[muted patio]

You can either try to get a cheese spot (high ground they can't reach) and sometimes if you're a bow user, you can catch em from far enough and they can't reach you, so they don't move

Longsword users can also kill em pretty fast if skilled with parry

[cosmic swan]

Most of them can be cheesed by jumping on Lion head chest but it take a lot of time. The best advice would be to stay on their left side. If they rush go left and hit their back a bit. If they start the 2 hit combo, being left of them help you dodging the first hit, take a step back and if you have the good weapon (spear, rapiere, longsword...) you can hit the heart

[vagrant furnace]

Get on box. Bonk on hed

[earnest current]

normal is the true face of this game so beautiful , HR is for hacker test new hack and farm money , i love ironmace give Free to play for new people help me remember how much i love this game and HR make me remember about those dog hacker farm and torture player for they fun

[neat tundra]

Maybe instead It would just say thank you for your report actions have been taken or somthing so we know somthing is hapening

[abstract ingot]

wipe when

[mossy wing]

7th June 🙂 tomorrow

[abstract ingot]

lmao dang was hoping it's on my off day

[wheat mist]

What’s with the rogues invis being so loud

[cosmic swan]

It's bug, probably getting fix with the wipe

[wheat mist]

Sweet thanks

[rough whale]

I'm really hoping the game actually wipes on the 7th at a reasonable time and not the next day or like 11pm lol

[cosmic swan]

The wipe is in 1 day 6 hours 36 min

The problem will be how long the maintenance to put it live will last

[thick notch]

rogue buff: make it so the sound effect loud and scare people

[neat tundra]

hit the glowing blue orb in his chest

[terse needle]

why i can play only one game mode where no real players, and i cant pick up items better than "default"

[proper prawn]

cuz it a free trial?

[terse needle]

why othet teams have good stuf

im playing trial they playing full in same match?

[proper prawn]

can't confirm or deny, but damn scrooge, cough up 35 bucks your rich...

[chilly sentinel]

They probably got the gear in the lobby if you’re playing normals

[terse needle]

this game looking so cringe while playing trial version, unplayable

[proper prawn]

oh no one person on this planet doesn't like the thing he got for free...oh no the galaxy is in shambles. Quick to the batmobile!

[sharp berry]

you can find gear in game, open chests

[proper prawn]

🦇

[orchid quartz]

funny thing is he probably played like 2-3 games and barely understands how the game works

[proper prawn]

^

[terse needle]

yes, but we spawn with my friends,looting for 2 mins as nakedes. and getting pushed by full legendary geared 3 guys

[cosmic swan]

Whit the free version you have acces at a part of the full game. But while playing normal even people with the full game won't have better stuff than you. They must have finding it in the run

[cosmic swan]

That's impossible

[sharp berry]

no you didnt

[proper prawn]

ya all them legendaries you find in normals! people be getting kitted SO Fast

[terse needle]

and i cant use staff better than normanl in next run? what profit to play

[cosmic swan]

Or you buyed the game by mistake and play in High roller

[cosmic swan]

It's a TEST trial, it's here for you to test the game and buy it if you want more

[proper prawn]

buy it dork it is free to try you aint s'possed to get the whole game.

you don't like it, there's the uninstall button in add/remove programs

[graceful storm]

yeah you can use whatever you find in raid during that raid, then keep it in your stash incase you want to upgrade your account. is my understanding

[burnt marlin]

So we'll be able to start playing at like 10pm est

[cosmic swan]

You can upgrade your game tho, so farming stuff for when you'll upgrade can be usefull

[cosmic swan]

I don't know if the maintenance to put the patch live start at the end of the timer or if they pre shot the patch and we'll be able to play when it end (probably the first call)

[cosmic swan]

Don't need to be rude, he's new

[burnt marlin]

I hope they pre shot it but iirc they did the former for the last 2 patches

[proper prawn]

just being helpful and condescending geeze

[cosmic swan]

Really hope too, it would be terrible to have another 24h maintenance before the wipe

[burnt marlin]

At this point I expect the first day of wipe to be unplayable and then 2 days later it's fine. Especially after last time where they had a roll back like right away

[proper prawn]

If the servers are down we can go roll rocks around

[burnt marlin]

That's what I typically do. Number one rock roller right here

[cosmic swan]

My theorie is that they have a part of the team who work only on the wipe since a few week/month and that it's why the last few hotfix have been terrible and so long to fix. Let's Hope that they pre shot and test for real this time

[proper prawn]

You're a rockstar!

[burnt marlin]

They did say they spent a lot of time just onboarding people during this patch. They now have 80 developers and stated that patches will come a lot smoother now

[flint robin]

Hello everyone, i have a question perhaps one of you may know. When the wipe starts. will everyone be locked out of HR for 3 days? or will that be just for new accounts? Wondering what happens if for example someone hits level 20 on Day 1 can they head to HR

[cosmic swan]

80? Do you have a source for that? I heard that they doubled the crew but were only 18 before that

[cosmic swan]

Just for free account. We just have the lvl 20

[flint robin]

thanks mate!

[burnt marlin]

Sdf said it in the general chat once. I'm not gonna go find it so feel free to not believe me

[swift ether]

Once your 20 you can go i to hr. 72 hours is the grace period for buying legendary status.

[cosmic swan]

Ok i'll look around ty 👍

[burnt marlin]

It may have also been in one of their interviews too. I want to say onepeg also mention it in one of his videos

[neat tundra]

BOTTEM RIGHT IS A QUEST LOG

[zinc scarab]

No starting kit anymore? Uninstall

[sharp berry]

yes there is? go to squire...

[neat tundra]

u have to equipe it in squire

[zinc scarab]

Every time you die?

[sharp berry]

you can set a base kit

[neat tundra]

Do set base gear then equip base gear

[burnt marlin]

Once you set it as base kit it will show up on you automatically every time you die

[lavish steeple]

did they fix potion chugger cause it was not working

[cosmic swan]

The only message I found about what we talked is that: #the-tavern message It's a bit old tho. I'll check interview and Onepeg channel later

[weary heart]

How do you get the blue stones for buying skins?

[cosmic swan]

From playing. The more you exctract the more you get. It become harder and harder to get them but every wipe the "XP" bar to grind them is reset so it become easy again (and you keep the old one through the wipe)

[weary heart]

It shows I have 2/25 but I got 0 to spend

[cosmic swan]

2/25 xp to gain one I think

[weary heart]

They need to change the UI then, it's terribly placed lol

[cosmic swan]

You're talking about the blue bar in the shop tab? With the Triumph level?

[weary heart]

Yeah

[cosmic swan]

Ok, then yes for each triumph level you get one. I'm lvl 5 this season and the bar is 147/800

[weary heart]

Damn

Do blue stones reset? Or I keep them after season?

[burnt marlin]

You keep em

[weary heart]

Ok great

[formal moon]

Think the level resets eveywipe

[weary heart]

What do the reward tokens give?

[wispy pilot]

Whens the wipe?

[cosmic swan]

1 day 5 hour 13 min 40 sec

[weary heart]

how do i use the lantern in the lantern shield?!

[simple wing]

r

[cosmic swan]

Press R

[wispy pilot]

For real?

[weary heart]

lmfao, default keybinds are terrible. skill was bound there

[unreal obsidian]

Someone tell the new players to turn VOIP on.. I've offered to help several but ended up having to kill them lol

[cosmic swan]

Yes you have a timer in game. Leaderboard tab

[wispy pilot]

Thanks. What are pre-wipe quests?

[cosmic swan]

That's probably the time before they start the maintenance to push it live tho. So probably a couple more hour than the timer to be able to play

[viral stump]

I haven’t played in about a week, but saw all of the patch changes. Did they change something visually? Things looked more cramped and the FOV feels different

[cosmic swan]

They give cosmetic that you won't be able to get after the wipe. Try ending them before it end. (I'll recommend to focus the Collector one, with the Skeleton skin)

[cosmic swan]

Only stuff about the light I think

[vapid arch]

3 random pieces of gear of random quality

[burnt marlin]

Random items of varying quality

[brisk mason]

there is a chance they bring em back next wipe

[amber berry]

Rogues gonna be op this next wipe anyone else have a problem with that ?

[cosmic swan]

Oh really? Ok why not

[cosmic swan]

wtf? Rogue have been nerf a lot with this hotfix, what make you feel that way?

[amber berry]

How is rogue nerfed lmao??

[brisk mason]

Ik ur baiting but rogue has a 6 second invis with 24 sec cooldown.

Got pretty impactful dmg nerfs to stiletto and rapier(i think most classes did on a high tier to there weapons)

Agi go gutted which is rogues main stat.

Max true/add is now 6 which is a bit nerf for rogue

[cyan plank]

tomorrow wipe?

[dense kelp]

whats the blue leaf in goblin caves on the map

[tall herald]

Isn’t reset today?

[amber berry]

My question is who thought fighter needed to buffed? 😂

[cosmic swan]

Less speed from agi because the scaling of the stat have been divided by 2, every class have more hp so they're harder to kill, nerf of the true/additionnal damage (who's the main damage stat of rogue) and hide nerf (cooldown divided by a bit less than 2 but duration of the spell divided by a bit more thant 3) and most class being faster thx to reduce ms penalty on stuff

[amber berry]

So at this point why not just remove rogue?

[cosmic swan]

That's the question

[eternal wedge]

What’s the details on the explosive bottle cheese right now? Is anything more than “they do a ton of damage” known

[cosmic swan]

Imo they should rework it in something like that #q-and-a message

[vapid arch]

what's wrong with rogue now

[cosmic swan]

#game-discussion message

[amber berry]

Dead content

[tall herald]

Instead of stacking once per second they’re stacking ten times per second

[snow spear]

The 30y old low lifes cry all the time. Every nooby also plays fighter so thats why it rarely gets a nerf

[vapid arch]

you can still get 320 with things like copperlight, but the nerfing to true/additional while pdr is still very much a thing is an issue

[waxen totem]

they gonna fix molotovs before the wipe? or they just gonna IM special and leave game breaking bugs in

[amber berry]

lol valid

[cosmic swan]

Probably not before the wipe (but the wipe is in 1 day and a couple of hour)

[eternal wedge]

So they are just doing 10x damage?

Are bottles considered magic damage? If they are, any true magic damage class will be murdering people instantly