suggestion-discussion

[brittle creek]

shadddup

[tulip hill]

But fame is just a number, what do you mean incentivized to play one class?

[sinful thicket]

fame is good it does nothing but you can track how long you have played the character. The questing system is kinda ass though

[tulip hill]

Number get big is only an incentive if you let your lizard brain control you
My lizard brain only controls me when it comes to gold

[gilded aspen]

Legitimately.... why wasn't this mentioned in the patch notes????? change a core mechanic of a boss and don't tell the players? tsk tsk

LET HIM COOK

[ionic tendon]

Keep fame but I better rank would be your total level across all characters

[sinful thicket]

that would be sick 100%

[gaunt iron]

Some feedback about High Roller gearscore minimums... 2 cheap 2H epic weapons is like 160 gold. Nobody wants Ceremonial Staffs. They're Cheap AF. 150 gold and use them, or not, just have them in inventory and thats 180 points of gearscore. add one 3-stack of green bandages (which you dont even need to use), and you can continue cheesing the High Roller queue in white squire gear.

[pliant island]

can we post links for suggestions here to ask for upvotes?

[gaunt iron]

there is a pinned messages that reads as follows:
Suggestions through Discord are no longer possible. From now on the suggestion system on the official Dark and Darker site will be used.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

[pliant island]

i understood that im asking if i can post a link to get upvotes for a post on that site

[gaunt iron]

i didnt see anything that says you can't, so ... yes?

[pliant island]

alright well if you would please upvote my suggestion i would apppreciate it 🙂 https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/571750/please-add-a-way-to-view-whispers-that-you-have-previously-sent-and-recieved

[gilded aspen]

this whole entree balancing for HR is so terribly done. Why not have the same HR style as norms 24<125<125+ ?!?! it works GREAT since it segregates the gear score disparity. Why do I HAVE to go to HR with bis gear? I don't want to. This whole thing is silly. I legitimately want to hear a solid argument against this

[graceful frost]

i mean having brackets like those is pointless in hr. almost nobody would ever fit into them and it doesnt rlly help to solve the ratting problem which is what they were trying to solve.

gear brackets alr are a pretty bad designed system

[gilded aspen]

"almost nobody would ever fit into them" I don't know what you mean by that.

ratting problem? by ratting do you mean low gear players waiting to snatch loot? I don't understand this point either. If it was segregated with 25<125<125+ then there wouldn't be "rats" Most HR play I see are people spawn rushing, grabbing other players loot and extracting asap, or going HR bosses and bossing. I don't see your point i'm afraid

[graceful frost]

i mean nobody ever actually plays hr with less than 125 gear score lol.

and yes hr is filled with 50 percent rats before this change. all these changes were purely for that

[tall mountain]

the issue with High Roller is that you have these groups of squire runners and juicers. one risks losing anywhere between a couple thousand to tens of thousands of gold while the other one risks 100 gold for the entry fee.
The problem is that most of the rats did just that. they'd come in with this poverty ass gear to vulture whatever couldn't be taken or worse rat the juicer and profit for just existing.
The problem is that the rats lose at most 100 gold for the entry fee and whatever healies they also bring in tow which tends to not be too expensive. The other guy who just died with a 10k kit is uninstalling rn after losing to someone with next to nothing.

a minimal gearscore for high roller at least somewhat addresses the ratting issue but I don't think it wholly solves it.

[midnight whale]

nerf plate already, you should not be able to sprint around at max speed while in full plate, this makes absolutely no fucking sense

[jolly leaf]

Imo if it was a 0-225 / 225+ gear score bracket instead of just a limitation it would have veen awesome

[jolly leaf]

That's true for now. Don't worry if people start doing this then the price of the item being used for that are going to increase and it won't be possible anymore

[jolly leaf]

At least nerf Light gauntlet, it make no sense that plate are the only glove give agility and make you run faster than any other glove

Agi on plate are ok imo but on item with two stat like the helmet with agi + dex. You shouldn't be able to run faster with plate than with cloth at some rarity (like the Chapel)

[limber elbow]

Castilon dagger good again ?

[jolly leaf]

You should ask in #game-discussion or the rogue Channel. But I don't think so as they nerfed it last patch

[midnight whale]

fix judgement already so that they cant do it through doors when they have no los, i close the door and crouch and they still hit me.

[gilded aspen]

or just nerf move speed bonuses.

[floral root]

Can you put a soul heart back into a body of an ally? if not then this interferes with ress and I would prefer it to be available after removing

[ripe turtle]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/571779/making-monsters-and-npc-enemies-less-aggressive-in-pvp Here's my suggestion regarding PvE getting in a way of PvP. Please leave a vote if you agree!

[jolly leaf]

Well that's the point of this game, it's PvEvP monster are supposed to "get in the way of PvP". It seems that even the Arena is going to have some PvE

[ripe turtle]

Yes, but have you seen these encounters where people purposefully pull a lot of the monsters and the AI immediately is focusing on you the moment you get too close? Yeah, that's cancer. The AI must be in a neutral standing by not allowing these players use them as meat shields to get away from fights to recover, especially these kiting classes.

[jolly leaf]

Well i'll tend to say it's part of the game. I agree IA could be improved but not in the purpose to help PvP

[tall mountain]

GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 3 FOR ME SUGGESTION! https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/570964/improve-upon-class-identity-and-diversity
TL;DR: take core identifying talent of a class and make it a feature. Introduce subclasses (NOT MULTICLASS) at level 20 (equip it similarly to a talent) and give access to new subclass talents (with some mutual exclusions) and abilities.
super TL;DR: Create new ways to play while innovating on playstyles to better suit your community.

[ripe turtle]

Yes, the PvE threat is still out there and you totally need to pay attention to your surroundings. With that being said, my opinion is that people abuse the AI system to their advantage in order to win these PvP fights and that to me is just toxic and not fun.

[ripe turtle]

Voted 👍

[jolly leaf]

Well I think that's what was planned before Multiclassing and now too. Then in lack of time to work on it they released Multiclassing cause it was more simple (nothing to think of or balance everyone can bust get anything). And after that failed they talked a bit of what they wanted to do and it look a lot like the suggestions you just made, so I guess it's already planned

[tall mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[tall mountain]

that's good to hear. would like a proper subclass as thief or swashbuckler on rogue for one. would like to play an Eldritch Knight Fighter or even a Dark Knight Warlock (pact of the blade with some shenanigans and zero curses in favor of durability and magic absorption capabilities)

[ripe turtle]

Paladin suggestion: Your playstyle is based on oaths. 3 oaths comes to mind, devotion, vengeance and oathbreaker. Devotion could be like you got auras and your particular actions give yourself and allies either HoTs or temporary buffs like getting more benefits from shrines. Vengeance is like your solo style build, dealing more damage and protecting yourself from enemy attacks like Warlocks hit you first and you get protection from those attacks. Oathbreaker is kinda like your typical Death Knight, surrendering yourself to the temptations of evil, inflcting debuffs and summoning demons to aid you.

[nocturne yarrow]

A pure liquid gold stock system --- Each trader would theoretically have a stock that with a new merchant you can invest into traders, and as players purchase gear from them, their stock increases in gold value, so pure gold can be stored in a stock and we could have an introduction into a kind of gambling where you can earn more investing early season which would change start of wipe economy, and as it progresses we could see natural inflation in the market, quests would give shares so that players who dont necessarily have money can earn a potential change in the market. Naturally merchants like tailor, armorer, would be high due to crafting copperlight and cobalt gear, woodsman, alchemist, and surgeon would be in the middle range due to heals and campfires/arrows, and something like goblin merchant is a wild card due to people buying gear back. Also increase rarity of items from merchants to shareholders so their funds go back into gear. + Add a merchant with a bank that taxes people's gold but they can store endless.

[nocturne yarrow]

I actually really like this.

[ripe turtle]

👍

[nocturne yarrow]

Banker merchant/Treasurer feature --- Allow for players to deposit gold into a stash that will tax the players gold depending on the amount + standing reputation with the merchant, however allowing them to endlessly deposit gold, make it so players can take out a loan of gold where they will have a negative effect in the gold counter that taxes them every time they sell, they just gain a smaller and smaller percentage each time they recieve gold from any source, depending on how long they go after not paying back the loan, limit it based on trader rep too, and add it to the karma feature for the tax, players with red name have worse credit, blue names have good credit.(With the silly economy issues this all might be nice, have the credit affect trading fees too)

Here is an idea I have been dwelling on: reducing the ability for players to farm bosses solo for endless money, make players only able to access one boss room per player in a run, solo players would naturally struggle with HR crypts bosses and wyvern, so those are fine, but specifically goblin caves farming is out of hand. Make players only able to access one boss room per run, to clear bosses make them have to play in a team.

Add more consumables, more crafting for potions and different buff consumables, would make the bard more convenient and played more to make people avoid them, but solos can deal with teams easier with a strength buff, and throwable potions that will cause a weakness effect, poison, blindness, but you can just make mob drops be the crafting ingredients.

Wolf claws can give night vision, harpy feathers could reduce movement speed penalty for a time due to "lightweight" effect, grave essence can create a weakness potion, make skeletons drop bone dust or something that allows for a temporary health/strength boost, spider venom that allows for poison potion, make goblin mages and skeleton mages have random consumable drops like a toadstool and other stuff, make a big mixture to craft trolls blood, and just make a cleansing potion that removes all negative effects like debuffs, curses, bleeding, poison, etc.

And make another potion drop from troll/cyclops that increases all attributes by 1 for 100 seconds or something, or ice wyvern can drop dragon blood that increases attributes, and the HR crypts bosses drop a potion that reduces negative effects by 10% for 100 seconds like a weaker version of the cleric perk perseverance.

[warm fulcrum]

we need an afk timer for voicechat users OR a variable voice chat that any user can open up a channel

[vestal cloud]

i love getting one or 2 tapped so fun ironmace lets buff the bardiche so if you get anywhere near it its over for any class yay

a naked barbarion with a purple weapon should not be 2 tapping any class this is just so stupid

but they wont fix it they will just indirectly buff barb again in the next patch like they always do

[warm fulcrum]

are you making a suggestion or just complaining?

[south topaz]

Am I insane or is player encounter rate once every 3-5 matches far too low?

[covert flume]

Please. For the love of the nine hells. Can we get some function so when we our party size changes we move to a dungeon map that matches our party size? Its bugged anyways. I was in duos last night so when I log in solo today I'm in trios? Just match it to party size or make us pick a new map or something.

[celest wind]

Disable player trading for The first month of a wipe

[karmic fractal]

Move more. You can see many players if you move quickly through modules

[unique pulsar]

pls buff ranger physical power so it's atleast at 0%

[errant sigil]

When the fuck is there a wipe?

[errant sigil]

No I play ranger and that’s a horrible idea! The class is over cranked as it is!! You literally can one shot someone from full health with a long bow and multishot if you do it point blank.

[unique pulsar]

it ruins other playstyles bro because of no strenght

[clear compass]

hate the changes for high roller

[topaz meadow]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/562441/increase-hit-box-for-chickens-peckclaw-attack

DRUIDS UNITE (for real please upvote), WE ARE PLEASED WITH THE PANTHER BUFF BUT WE MUST CONTINUE TO DEMAND THEY BUFF CHICKEN ATTACK. IF THEY WANT US TO BE NICHE THEN GIVE US WHAT WE WANT! @keen onyx PLEASE M’LORD PLEASE

[woven marsh]

Anyone else think the 225 GS requirement for HR is pure stupidity? Like I could see 125 being reasonable. But this is just ridiculous.

[small stump]

i agree with what someone said earlier, 0-225 and 225+ brackets instead of having a requirement of 225

[limber elbow]

rogue got nerf and all other get buff again , only thing rogue got buff is double jumb broken on the ruins map and we can play the ruins map again next season

[mild lion]

If you have a spellcasting implement out, right-clicking as demon warlock should fire a bolt instead of do nothing

[clear compass]

225 is dumb as hell.

[fiery ore]

make HR with same GS like in normals

[regal jasper]

for real, like this 225 ain't shit now I just have to like buy two mage staffs at rare rank and that's it, the requirement is of bare significance

[placid shuttle]

here an idea for bard that i think could be nice. it would be called « singer » or something similar and the perk consists of making the zone of buff/debuff around the bard larger, making it easier to buff and debuff characters

[woven marsh]

Honestly I think that’s the way to go. I know number of players has been a limiting factor in the past, but that seems to be in a good spot right now. Which is pretty good considering we’re so close to the wipe.

[errant sigil]

The ranger spear build is insane right now with multi shot and back step. It’s single handedly will destroy anyone. And with traps you can bait into spears to their face. No one survives its! Crossbow was insane pre patch but everyone is running multi shop long bow. Back stack with Spear proficiency and stack strength. Run a high damage blue spear and a grey longbow and you’re a destroyer. Trust me it’s easy to scale out of the 0% with ranger with ease.

[errant sigil]

Your class is already over tweaked and over worked. It needs to be gimped into the ground and they need to limit shape shifting to either bear or panther. Not both one main shift and one secondary travel form. You don’t need bear form rat and chicken.

[woven marsh]

Bard should be reworked. It’s WAY too strong. I got 3 tapped by a rapier last night as a Slayer with 150 HP and 30% PDR. Same bard almost 3 tapped our barb too with over 200 hp. They need to have the bard lean more into the utility/support and away from it being basically a better (albeit more complicated) fighter.

[errant sigil]

Did yall get debuffed?

[ashen sequoia]

he can get 3 tapped aswell tho 🤔

[woven marsh]

Nope. I jumped out of a shadow, hit him 3 times with a Falchion that was hitting dummies for 100+, and died.

[errant sigil]

Hmm that’s odd. What was your GS?

[ashen sequoia]

3 taps with falchion in the head would kill him especially on slayer so im guessing you hit him in limbs while he headshot you while fully buffed, as slayer with falchion you can easily outspace and dodge a rapier so he hits your limbs instead, I havent seen the fight but if thats how it ended then you sadly got outplayed

[errant sigil]

I’d recommend sticking to 124 if you have a problem with any class. It’s been the most stable fighting environment. A lot of classes are way over tweaked in high GS. Also if you were hitting in shoulder or arms it’s very poor damage and would take way more than 3 shots to kill them.

[ashen sequoia]

if he was 150 hp and 30% pdr as slayer then he was probably playing 125+ with bad gear matchup against a bis bard

[placid shuttle]

exactly this perk would be more supportive then aggresive in my opinion since in 3v3 lets say a barb would be able to buff his team easier and i do agree that bard is in a strong place rn but i so think this perk would be good in solo, duo and trio which is why i proposed it since it wouldnt be an op solo perk that really isnt needed. it would also get more out of the support side of the bard with this perk

[boreal vessel]

Please add crafter's name to crafted items

[woven marsh]

340ish I think. With some blue meds. My first hit was for sure a headshot. The last 2 I’m not certain. He was circling so the last two hits weren’t clean.

[primal skiff]

new sound effects are awesome! Great job Dev team

[indigo lichen]

Plz for the love of god nerf wizards

[ashen sequoia]

yeah warlock got some unnecessary nerfs the phantomize is too short and you can still get 2 shot by barbarians even with 10 healing curses on mobs also the range on curses is so bad how are you supposed to beat a ranger when he gets more range it should maybe disable attacks for 5 seconds when cursing

[placid shuttle]

rn torture mastery is really bad hydrain is way better

[still arrow]

can dark and darker add a mode where its a lobby that does 1v1s in a arena as the others watch and it random pairs a bracket for fighters lose gear as well etc

[worn lava]

might as well add unicorns in the game if we aren't making weight realistic since clerics in white gear in plate faster than a wiz in white gear in cloth

[jolly leaf]

You shouldn't be able to beat a ranger, they're the counter of warlock. One of the few actually

[sinful thicket]

This demigod reward is soo bad. First time grinding rank and im not even gonna try getting it. Would have hella grinded for a cape skin or something cool.

[granite plinth]

Lanterns on potion spot should be added like, they shoulg light even if not used, would help avoid being gangbanged by 6 skeletons in dark room

[jolly pebble]

Give Rangers a separate slot for a quiver with different rarities that allow them to hold more and more arrows the higher color rarity they have. Just so they don’t have to clutter their inventory with arrows.

[sinful thicket]

Nah. Make everyone have like a 3x6 mini inventory at the bottom left only used for arrows or bolts. No upgrade or anything.

[tall mountain]

the price of your inventory to have more ammo is already more than enough no matter what bow you take. Your quiver is already tied to your bow with the reload mechanic. nobody wants to deal with a ranger that brought 100 to 300 arrows plinking us all game. the class is oppressive at long range enough as it is. you really don't need an item at all tied to arrow stacks. you just want a more efficient backpack for loot.
Just ask for treasure bags you can craft or find in raid to store extra treasures without the cost of your inventory (small would be a 3x3, medium a 4x4, and a large a 6x6 all drag drop into bag for storage) or other things of a sort.

and if they impliment a quiver anyway; it'd just be side saddled to the left or right utility slots.

[sinful thicket]

okay but realistically what difference does it make if a ranger has 80 arrows or 200? like i can't remember 1 time where i have fought a geared ranger who ran out of arrows.

They already said they are working on a quiver. And it will most likely be at the bottom left of the inventory screen

[jolly pebble]

I’m fine with either or. Just anything to remove the arrow clutter from my inventory. Sucks when I’m grinding out ap and want to fill every slot with treasure (or else the pay off isn’t worth it) and I don’t have enough arrows to fight multiple other players. Choosing between survival and a longer grind is rough sometimes.

[sinful thicket]

It is just annoying having to have so much space in inventory be for arrows. It's annoying and surely you must see that. I don't even play ranger. i play fighter and i only bring 20-40 arrows and thats annoying. Imagine half your inventory being arrows.

[tall mountain]

what difference does it make between how i deal with a ranger when he has or has no ammo? a big enough one to know when i can actually push one vs dealing with an effectively infinite ammo pain in my rear

[sinful thicket]

only a dog s*** player uses 80 arrows in one fight or its soooo rare that it literally doesnt make that much of a difference to you. Like you are saying you would rather get the kill on a ranger that 1/300 fight than EVERY ranger, bard and fighter have such a huge quality of life. Pure childishness.

[jolly pebble]

Nah the better solution is to make a quiver, allow arrows to only be held in said quiver and give that quiver a cap on arrow capacity. Higher rarity quivers hold more arrows etc. easiest way to achieve balance.

[sinful thicket]

forgot rogue also uses bolts too

[tall mountain]

what is childish about keeping the limit of arrows as they are? you already BUY a quiver of arrows from woodsman as it is and get 2 free sets of arrows from squire. It's not even a quality of life dude. It's a waste of space to the ranger kit. Unless you want the ranger quiver to be equipped like a bard instrument to passively give bonuses and then cry that the fighter will make better use of it than you, you're better off just leaving the arrow mechanic as it is.
It's really not helping you one bit.

[sinful thicket]

Mate its not about BUYING anything. Its about the space they take up in your inventory. Even if every arrow was free it still would be annoying. It's simply about having to drop arrows to pick other stuff up.

[tall mountain]

if you want to actually give ranger a buff to their storage just make it a key feature of their class they stack more arrows than others.
It's not a hard change.

[jolly pebble]

No no stats to the quiver at all. The rarity colors would only allow you to hold more arrows. Thats all. Perfect balance.

[sinful thicket]

Nobody is complaing on not having enough space for arrows. They are complaing arrows take up too much space and you have to have them.

[jolly pebble]

This^

[graceful frost]

Yeah no reason quiver should be anything but something that goes in the ore existing slot for it and lets you hold arrows

[sinful thicket]

its a looting thing you got this entire thing wrong. Not wanting a buff or anything

[tall mountain]

again; just let ranger have a better stack for arrows on top of their abilities to specialize with range..

[jolly pebble]

I’d be fine if it put it on a belt slot or even created a new box slot on the inventory screen all together. Just something to clean it up.

[sinful thicket]

why mate? like what are you on about? They could simply do so arrows can't be in inventory at all except for the quiver. a simple 3x8 would mean you can MAX have 80 arrows and they dont fill up your inventory.

[tall mountain]

#suggestion-discussion message if it's about treasure here's this. if it's about salvaging player kits, make those craftable to hold enough storage for all the equippables minus weapons that you can carry one of on you that takes up 3 columns of your inventory.

[graceful frost]

Its already planning to be in one of the 2 backpack slots at the bottom of your inventory.(you wont loose out in a backpack slot you can only have 1 anyway)

[sinful thicket]

this is a way bigger change than just making a 3x6 quiver??? i dont want tarkov next level tetris manager where you have a box in a box kinda stuff.

[jolly pebble]

Def fine with this and everyone wins. Arrows have a set capacity for arrows so no one can complain about rangers bringing in a whole trees worth and the rangers get space in their inventories. Love the QoL on this.

[tall mountain]

also as for the guy who would use 80 arrows and not kill a target. if we're going on about skill why do you need the quiver in the first place. just put 3 to 4 arrows into someone ez. you don't need a quiver unless you're saying you need to compensate as well.
That argument is as insulting to the proverbial bad shot ranger as hypocritical it is of you to request the silly thing in the first place

i clearly don't understand your logic here.

[sinful thicket]

okay mate you need sleep. Nobody is saying we dont have arrows enough. Like 90% of the time i only bring 20. Its just a simple QOL thing. The fact you havent realised this yet is mind numbing.

[jolly pebble]

Buddy I get that you clearly hate rangers but this is just a QoL suggestion. No buffs at all. In fact, it would nerf the amount of arrows they can bring in. You are looking at the quiver all wrong my friend.

[sinful thicket]

talking to a brick wall haha

[tall mountain]

AGAIN
just buff the amount Ranger can hold in general as a Core Aspect of the class.

[jolly pebble]

Literally can you read….?

[placid shuttle]

and how would they do that tho

[glass ore]

Rogue lifesteal when?

[indigo lichen]

#BuffRogue stop nerfing rogue plz re buff him. We want ambush back to 50%

[sinful thicket]

why only for ranger? like make this make any sense. You are suggesting rather than having a quiver with max 80 arrows. Lets make their stack sizes be EVEN MORE. 2 seconds ago you said rangers SHOULDNT HAVE MORE.

[tall mountain]

Same way they'd naturally give rogue lockpicking without having to slot a talent. It's built into their class at default. This isn't hard to program in the slightest.

[placid shuttle]

like it used to be? yeah no its just gonna be way too overpowered

[jolly pebble]

You are dense and making this way more complicated than it needs to be. It’s mind boggling to be reading what you have been suggesting.

[tall mountain]

The Ranger... Ranges? What do you expect. Just bypass the silly ass need for a quiver needing to be equipped in the first place.

[sinful thicket]

Anyways... They already said they are making a quiver + they are making seperate slots in the inventory for bard instruments.

[jolly pebble]

Didn’t know that about the bard. Thats awesome to read!

[sinful thicket]

Its not about a quiver needing to be equiped. It would simply just be a 3x8 small inventory at the bottem left for arrows and bolts. JUST THAT

[jolly pebble]

He can read, but reading comprehension is a separate issue with that guy.

[placid shuttle]

no because why do u think they removed it in the first place ????

[sinful thicket]

yup im done now haha waste of time

[tall mountain]

wouldn't know wasn't around; elaborate.
also <@&988703997378584596> I love respectful conversations. they're fun to have with people who clearly aren't.

[sinful thicket]

this guy should be banned for trolling legit

[jolly pebble]

Buddy, you weren’t even insulted, you just refuse to comprehend what is being said to you. Insane that you are trying to snitch on no one lmao

[graceful frost]

Idk i dont think there really should be a limited amount of arrows. It just doesnt make sense for ranger. It doesnt punish ppl for wiffing or anything like that.

Just makes it impossible to take multiple fights and when you have to shoot 20 arrows at someone to kill them

[tall mountain]

I believe you two have said more than enough than to further argue anything with you.

[jolly pebble]

The arrow cap for a quiver will be a respectable amount. Probably start at 80 and increase by 10 with each rarity color

[sinful thicket]

The funny thing is you havent at all argued about what we were saying. You have been having an entirely different conversation.

[lone badge]

Lets keep the conversations respectful please, and refrain from throwing insults around

[jolly pebble]

What? Saying that you have trouble comprehending what was being said is offensive to you? We’ve been nothing but respectful towards you.

[tall mountain]

take it up with the mod. clearly calling me dense slipped your mind.

[sinful thicket]

Well being dense isnt an insult. It's just true. You were not listening at all that is what being dense is. idk dont think he used it as an insult at all

[jolly pebble]

Dense isn’t an insult. It’s literally what you were being in the face of my and @sinful thicket conversation. How can you not see that? How can YOU be offended lmao. I’m crying rn.

[tall mountain]

Offended? The conversation is more charged with a degree of... animosity that i'm not comfortable with.
Go back to your conversation about the quivers but leave me out of it at this point. It's clear that i'm not welcome to argue my view on it without critique pricking someone's fingers.

[queen igloo]

Smoke pot rogue was given charges due to the spamability of the skill, as well as the ability to get out of trouble for little to no downside. Warlock's Phantomize ability should have limited charges and must be used wisely during a raid.

[jolly pebble]

Also wrong, you are very much welcome. All we were telling you was that your view and suggestion went in the opposite direction of how everyone else that uses arrows wants it to be. Especially when IM already announced that they were implementing the quiver. That’s what we were discussing for the future and you derailed it to something that would never happen. We were simply trying to explain that to you but you kept going off. You are always welcome, friend.

[sinful thicket]

Idk. First you said we shouldnt get quivers because ranger would have too many arrows. We then said it would make ranger have less arrows. Then you said "Noooo. dont make quivers like you say. Make rangers have more arrows by default.". Never actually listening to what we said and communicating your viewpoint.

[jolly pebble]

Preach.

[graceful frost]

that would be chill

[tall mountain]

Fine. Let's have a reset then. Clean slate.

[glass ore]

Rangers should get an ak-47 when you load in each match

[tall mountain]

what would the absolute limit on a quiver have to be then?
From smallest to largest let's find a ballpark here.

a standard quiver for arrows usually as i've seen in fantasy is somewhere ranging between 15-30 in capacity but this would instead operate on the rows and columns slots?

[sinful thicket]

IMO quivers shouldt be worn and they should be an item. They should simply just be a 3x8 slot inventory everyone has. Good to keep it simple.

[tall mountain]

we've got quivers from Poor, Standard, Uncommon, Rare, Epic, Legendary (i think), and then Unique if possible.

[jolly pebble]

From 40-80 for white perhaps and an increase by 5 or 10 arrows for each rarity up. Just to start out and see how it goes. No more 200 arrow spam each match.

[tall mountain]

so we're just going for that? Higher Quality increases the amount held?

[jolly pebble]

Yup. No stats, no extra buffs or bs. Just arrow capacity. Everyone wins. Rangers bring in less arrows to spam but it remains respectable to them and they in return get the QoL inventory space everyone else has.

[glass ore]

@jolly pebble That's probably how it will work, hasn't quiver been confirmed for awhile now?

[tall mountain]

so now my next question
what about the fighters who can use ranged weapons?
Bards? any other class that gets access?

[sinful thicket]

everyone can use quivers is the best solution

[jolly pebble]

Yes sir, but they haven’t said how it would be implemented yet (to my knowledge). This is my guess and what I believe to be the best solution.

[sinful thicket]

no fighter brings in 90 arrows anyways. fighter, bard, ranger and rogue uses some kind of arrow or bolt. decent QOL for all those classes

[stark frost]

what about they adding a anti-cheat so it will make Hr have less cheaters?

[jolly pebble]

Every class that can use arrows or bolts will have the same access to quivers. No more arrow inventory spam for anyone. Makes it fair to all.

[tall mountain]

okay. I've only had to slow down a bit on my end to digest some of this. otherwise i'm going off 8 tracks in every direction.
So lets ask another question here as well.
I've heard tell or tale that they plan to make spellcasting use bare hands for the up and coming sorcerer.
Considering the Q and E are mostly reserved for SKILLS*, would it just be better to give the other classes the ability to do the same thing overall?

for example: instead of Warlock having one ability [phantomize usually] and spellcasting, you have another button specifically for spellcasting and your usually q and e abilities you can use instead? You instead make the orb, the staves, and other magically attuned spellcasting foci serve more as augments rather than necessities.

[sinful thicket]

Well sorcerers will be able to cast with bare hands, but will still just use their ability. It will just be like a wizard casting spell without a spellbook.

[jolly pebble]

I would disagree in calling it better. Maybe in terms of ms sure, but at the cost of stats from books or staves, etc. we won’t really know till we see it, I’d imagine it would be a lot more op with good gear (like most classes) to counteract the lack of stats from said weapons. Because the ms buff from not using a catalyst sounds pretty nice.

[tall mountain]

see that is something i would very much like changed if possible. the casters shouldn't have to equip a skill to spellcast. it's kinda part of their class.
@jolly pebble so i've got some reasoning for that but let me at least setup the question for you. Take Paladins and Eldritch Knights as the prime example here. You are aware of what they are as a class?

[jolly pebble]

Yes sir, I play DnD tabletop so I am quite familiar with them.

[tall mountain]

Certain spells within all the classes tend to scale better with more augments while some spells are good at base. D&D has a few spells that suppliment classes like those very well. Eldritch Knights don't need alot of intelligence (or Knowledge in this case) for spells but they'd still favor ones like Shield or Green Flame Blade to augment their combat prowess.

[jolly pebble]

Even tho DaD is DnD inspired. I wouldn’t try to compare them too heavily or you’ll be a tad disappointed. They use the character concepts and some ideals and spells, etc, but a lot of DaD overall is their own thing with their own balance. I see where you are coming from but I doubt they will be able to implement a lot of those mechanics into the game.

[tall mountain]

i can only hope; in a few hours or so ill probably put up the usual suggestion for subclassing again.
Ideally if they try that road, i'd imagine your character training and perks would have a new square in the middle of your talents to slot a subclass and you only get 2 new talent slots for new subclassing talents as well as unlock new subclass abilities.
Think like Swashbuckler Rogue with either a rapier and buckler, Moon Druids Shapeshifting into Owlbears, Wizards having their schools of magic specialties (Necromancy could be wild with all the dead mobs you kill), etc.

[jolly pebble]

I tried suggesting subclasses multiple times. When they tried to implement multiclassing to “give players more identity and creativity” I knew it was going to be a bad idea from the get go and suggested they give each character up to 3 subclasses to choose from to start out. No combinations or anything crazy. Players would choose a subclass and role with it, if they didn’t like it they could spend some gold to respec and try out another. So I agree that subclasses would be very cool.

[tall mountain]

the thing is i can think of a plethora of things. Hell, "spellthief" rogue would get the funny mage hand ability to interact with doors and chests at range along with whatever small arsenal of spells they could cast. I'd definitely like to see more barbarians go dual wield over a two hander (berserker, sea reaver, etc.) Clerics with domains where their Channel Divinity does new things, etc. usually you can just turn undead OR do the thing your domain does.

[jolly pebble]

Would be nice to see, however, for balance purposes I doubt we will see a lot of these changes being implemented. IM has a tough time balancing the current classes as it is. Subclasses (while very VERY cool) will likely be way to hard for them to balance. I imagine they will try some form of it but likely in their own way of doing things. Subclasses might just be a new way for them to give each class a set of passives, for example, the evocation subclasses on wizard will allow them to not hurt their allies with spells. Things of that nature is what I’d imagine they will do instead of the entire subclass and abilities that you and I are used to.

[tall mountain]

oh for sure. There would need to be some tweaking but cementing an identity to the subclass would be important. ironically it'd be warlocks that i'd be overhauling the hardest as they'd get their subclass at base and not after they hit 15 since it's more or less them choosing their Pact which does give them spells outside of warlock but their abilities and talents would be tied to who their patron is. They would just get more of their power after 15 more or less to say. (Think Phantomize being limited to a Warlock who has a pact with the Archfey)

[jolly pebble]

Lots of interesting concepts for sure. Until then, all we can do at this point is critique them as they release new and unnecessary buffs/nerfs for classes that don’t need them and nobody asked for in the first place lol

[tall mountain]

about as best as we can.
Would like it for some of those features like i mentioned for rogue's swashbuckler they just don't get access to the stealth perks or ability for things like that. Definitely would like to be a more upfront rogue. or even a thug/enforcer where i'd get access to clubs or other bludgeoning weapon types things like that.
Gotta stop with the ideas, we're starting to go down 8 tracks again.

[lavish rose]

[tall mountain]

it's all good now things are better. senior warden dealt with it and things were discussed with a more level head.

[celest wind]

In a month

[jolly leaf]

As far as i'm aware it's their game not our, they're not supposed to do what we ask for. Sometime it's the good move to do, sometime those "unnecessary buff/debuff" are really smart and make the game better. They've always worked like that, testing things, changing thing just to test how it'll work even if it's obviously not what seems needed or asked for. Sometime it make things worst, sometime it's super nice surprise that no on expected. Thats why the game is in Early access, so they have the freedom to test what they want

[jolly pebble]

Buddy, the game has been in early access for a looooooong time now. It’s pretty clear what and what not to change at this point if they just played their game. I’m fully aware that they test a lot of things, but the past has revealed plenty and I do mean PLENTY of unnecessary buffs and debuffs that were clearly ludicrous and reverted shortly after. Rogue reworks/reverts, barb shouts, wizard nerfs, ranger buff after buff, warlock buff after buff etc the list goes on. At this point there really isn’t an excuse not to have an understanding of not only how to balance but also what the people (their fans who actually play the game) want to see to make the game fair for everyone.

[sinful thicket]

Would a company who makes burgers say "We make burgers we want not what our customers want"? Ofc there is a middle line but obviously they should listen to their consumers (they do. dont get me wrong). 100% alright to test stuff out.

[jolly leaf]

Come on, I just read the first sentence and no, it's not been a loooooong time, they are celebrating the first year of early with the new #📢community-announcements

[sinful thicket]

What? a year of "early acces" is a long time. Especially when thinking about how polished the game is.

[jolly pebble]

Clearly that’s all you read, someone who got to this server at the time you did clearly knows nothing of the past from their playtest days

[jolly leaf]

No? Most early game I know stay that way for several year. They hope to get out of early next year, that's quite short

[sinful thicket]

If they said next patch "this is 1.0 we are out of early access" Nobody would question it is my point. it isnt what it was in playtest

using the early access as a point is useless. it is just a title at this point

[jolly pebble]

I don’t think that person even played the playtests. Otherwise he would know all about the balance issues by now.

[jolly leaf]

Well imo it wouldn't be a good move as it would make them unnable to test, add/remove or change core mechanics. Like if the game is a 1.0 people are supposed to know why they have paid for. They couldn't ha e remove the Zone for exemple, couldn't have tried Multiclassing.

[tall mountain]

wanna hear an early access joke? 7days. that thing has been in early access for Wayyy too long

[jolly leaf]

Well I did, I just joined the Discord late, didn't played the first playtest but still. But I don't think it matter that much anyway

[jolly pebble]

That’s just completely false. You’re saying games can no longer “test” after release? Buddy what are you on. That’s what patches are for. Most PvP games that balance characters do that. Or they open up test servers for new characters. Overwatch does it, smite does it. Come on man.

[sinful thicket]

its not as if they can't do changes after they get to 1.0? Live service games change all the time. The product will garanteed change no matter what. Like can a person who bought the game at release say "well now you can't nerf rogue because thats the game i bought"? ofc not.

[jolly pebble]

Exactly 👍🏻

[jolly leaf]

They can test but not change drastic thing or core concept of the game, tes that's what I think. If you pay for a game that's sell itself as being finished or at least in his final form then you don't want it to change too much or remove thing and that's what they want to have the freedom to do

[jolly leaf]

I'm not talking of nerf or buff, but thing like the zone removal or stuff that big

[sinful thicket]

@jolly leaf Basically: Playtests was like early access with a ton of changes all the time to everything. They released the "early access" and have done major content updates.

They do stupid changes all the time. Like Completely buffing warlocks demon form to oblivion. only to nerf it AND another warlock build 2 days later. I love the devs 100%, but they do need a proper balance team who looks at the data and plays the game. Hopefully with arena a lot of stuff with balance gets easier to handle.

[jolly pebble]

The core concept of this game is already set in stone. At this point all they have to do is balance and pump out content. You are way off on your thinking of how games work my man. As for your zone removal statement, they could absolutely have removed that on release. They can change things like that at any time to make the game fit the image they want. Early access and release are just titles at this point.

[sinful thicket]

Still i dont see how they wouldnt be able to remove zone and stuff like that. It might be major to how the game plays, but it isnt like taking a game mode completely out.

[jolly leaf]

Again I agree with you that we don't be in Early as long as we talk of balance even if they do that a lot and go hard on it. But imagine so day they want to rollback about the Solo and Duo and remove it because it not what they wanted and think it take them to much time, well it better be in Early Access

[sinful thicket]

From google: "You purchase the “service” of a game. Basically you are buying the company's service in letting you play their game, which they have full rights over. Legally they could change every aspect of the game and you would not be legally able to oppose what they sold you because you were never guaranteed anything"

They can literally do anything legally. They could literally change the game into a minecraft esque game and we couldnt do anything haha

[jolly leaf]

Well maybe but that's not what I think, imo people would have fight way harder to get the zone back if the game was in 1.0 when it happened. But we can agree to disagree

[sinful thicket]

If players REALLY hate a change they stop playing, which the devs knows, so the devs change it. Thats how a lot of changes has happened to the game already.

Their game fundamentally works based on their consumers. If we don't like their choices we stop playing and company goes bankrupt.

[jolly pebble]

What you think is actually incorrect though, we’re trying to tell you that but you are refusing to accept it. I understand that it’s your opinion but in this case, your opinion is actually wrong here. At any time they can change anything they want about their game. It’s in the agreement we all accepted before playing the game. Don’t believe me? Then go read it yourself to have closure.

[north saffron]

ranger should have a perk that allows you to have stacks of 40 arrows

[tall mountain]

a game like Dark and Darker will evolve through seasons; i was aware of the zones from previous version and see it's not around anymore; multiclassing was before my time as well. They're adapting, tweaking, balancing, UNBALANCING, all to get it as right as they can as they develop more to the game.

[jolly leaf]

They should get a Quiver at some point, that should fix the arrow issues

[tall mountain]

we oddly had that conversation earlier; bow users are getting access to quivers.

[north saffron]

i mean i feel like a perk is better because if you wanna carry more arrows you are some what penalized by having to use a perk slot on it

[sinful thicket]

The reason the devs are adding quivers to the game is so classes who use arrows dont have to sacrifice inventory space. Not because of lack of space of said arrows.

[jolly leaf]

I don't say they won't be able to make those change if they go 1.0, my point is that player will take it more badly if they do Big change after an official release. But I get your point we can stop there

[tall mountain]

Wizards with their crossbow secondary
I CAST NON MAGIC MISSLE

[sinful thicket]

how in the hell can a wizard use a crossbow? xD im a wizard main and i dont understand it one bit.

[jolly leaf]

Do you think it'll give stat? Or have a move speed penalty? Or just some extra slot for arrow and bolt?

[jolly pebble]

I agree with you on that. If enough of the player base wants something changed, they likely will do it for them if the players hate something. But stuff like that is easily fixed by running test servers as mentioned previously before implementing it to the main game.

[tall mountain]

oddly crossbows are a wizard proficiency for weapons. I'm more surprised rogues don't get it.

[sinful thicket]

Hopefully just extra slots for arrows and bolts. im hoping its a super minimal thing. Hate having to spend too much time on gearing up

[jolly leaf]

Yeah I think it'll be minimal for Quiver. Wonder what they're planning for Backpack. Probably move speed penalty at least, maybe Vigor will make you able to have more loot

[tall mountain]

real talk just give me an alchemist class. Increased potion effects, augmented throwables, and a formulae table instead of spells for what i drink or chuck.

[sinful thicket]

i think a stackable debuff kinda thing. The more loot you have the more minus movespeed you get. something like that.

[jolly leaf]

As far as we know we'll have Sorcerer, Monk and Paladin. If they push to have more class and stick to DnD we'll have the artificer

What change or add would you like to have the most right now? @sinful thicket @jolly pebble

[tall mountain]

eh we really don't need artificer. People really sleep on alchemy. need that faustian spirit for science to go where nobody should in Dark and Darker

[jolly leaf]

For me it would be that I think : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem

[sinful thicket]

Arena 100%. I've loved arena in all games. I love competitive aspects of games. Right now the biggest flex you can get is getting demigod, which is only a contest of who is best at clearing pve and avoiding pvp. Hopefully they will add a rank system to arena like the current one.

And hopefully there isnt any mobs in the arena. PLEASE IRONMACE

[jolly leaf]

I think the rank system is planned for Arena it have been said in on of the latest Q&A if i'm right. Wonder if it'll work the same way. They said that we won't lose gear in Arena so I don't think the rank system should be the same. Maybe something more like Lol/Moba where you lose Rank if you don't play and being on top really means you are better than other (because if we don't lose gear at the end of season everyone will have almost perfect gear, so it'll be unfaire of you get the top rank early and can keep it all the season like demi god)

[jolly leaf]

Unfortunately I think they do say Arena will have some PvE, have a look at this I think it talk about it https://youtu.be/gkJyDfDdbjo?si=EpgvEjrvKOyXyfZY

[jolly pebble]

Mostly I want to see the quiver already. Arrows taking up inventory slots are the only think really keeping me from wanting to main Ranger. Also, if I came across as aggressive or overbearing earlier I do apologize, that’s just how I speak/type. I promise I am in no way worked up or angry at anyone.

[sinful thicket]

uhhh nice! hmmm i think they should make it so you dont lose "AP" without playing. I feel like there is a lot of downsides with it being that way. What if you wanna play something else and you just lose the rewards because of it. It's a weird case when they add gear into the mix. Like a ton of people can't get uber bis even close to wipe. There are kits worth 500k+ with insane uniques and stuff.

[jolly leaf]

Np Have a look at the suggestions I send I think new point of interest on the map would be really cool (especially with the gem socket they've talked about, I made a comment to make it work with one of the suggestions idea)

[sinful thicket]

People are also RMT'ing so they get an unfair advantage no matter what. Its weird when they add gear 100%. Imo they should limit the gearscore to 124 or something close, so gear can't get too expensive

[jolly pebble]

I know a lot of people would dislike this suggestion I’m about to make, but I would really love to see a boss type enemy that roams the map constantly. One able to not only open doors but break them down if they see a target and give chase. Something with range and melee capabilities to really shake up the pvpve metas. I enjoy chaos of that manner.

[jolly leaf]

Maybe it'll be something totally different and you can't bring gear from the main game mode.like you'll have your Arena gear set that you can buy or improve at a special merchant (or loot only on the PvE of Arena?)

[sinful thicket]

thinking a little deeper about this: I think invis would become too strong. Imagine a boss interupts a fight and you just invis so the boss goes on the other team xD

[jolly leaf]

That's planned. They've talked about Named monster that roam the map or spawn randomly on it and would give better/more rare loot

[sinful thicket]

i think they will eventually move to something like that. I don't see a world where their current plan won't fail tbh, but as you said earlier they are doing a lot of testing and this is definitely one of those things

[jolly leaf]

We don't have a lot of info tho, don't know if it'll work like that

[jolly pebble]

Exactly! More people would be incentivized to build the base knowledge for invis pots and we would see them used a lot more not only for PvE but PvP as well! I always bring 6 invis pots of the purple rarity into raids on my fighter. Can’t tell you how many warlocks and wizards I have defeated because of those beautiful things. They never expect an invis fighter. Even mid fight breaking LOS and equipping/drinking. They never expect it and helps so much for catching those fast boys off guard and up close where running is no longer possible.

[jolly leaf]

Well they've worked a lot and for a long time on Arena and teased us a couple time about the fact it would probably be more that what we except or can think of. And that time it'll go through the test server. Hopefully it'll turn well

[tall mountain]

Jumpscare Knowledge Barbarian.

[sinful thicket]

im 100% excited :D. It's just with all ive seen with streamers getting literally 300k+ donations from several viewers. I know streamers and RMT'ers will have such a huge advantage over everyone else.

[jolly pebble]

Happens more often than you think. I’ve seen those blockhead barbs sitting in front of red down gates and drinking multiple in hopes to camp out a player waiting for it.

[jolly leaf]

Unfortunately I don't think they'll ever be able to stop that. No game really manage to fix the cheater/RMT issues.

[tall mountain]

Barbarian: WHOO--
Surprised Player: A-
BarboSwaggins Killed DavieDude32 💀 (Bardiche)

[sinful thicket]

100%. A little different though in the dungeon where they can lose their stuff. In arena it would just be a "permanent" (Whole wipe) buff basically.

[jolly leaf]

They've talked of adding a system like Counter Strike where player can be part of the process and judge other player to ban them. I think it's a nice idea

[sinful thicket]

would be good yeah

[topaz meadow]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/562441/increase-hit-box-for-chickens-peckclaw-attack

DRUIDS UNITE (for real please upvote), WE ARE PLEASED WITH THE PANTHER BUFF BUT WE MUST CONTINUE TO DEMAND THEY BUFF CHICKEN ATTACK. IF THEY WANT US TO BE NICHE THEN GIVE US WHAT WE WANT! @keen onyx PLEASE M’LORD PLEASE

[static hare]

Give us dyes to collect/craft to color shields

[earnest swift]

hr gear minimum needs to be reduced to 150 or so ive always been able to run good green-blue kits in hr and succeed until this patch

[flint marsh]

For the love of god, allow us to purchase MORE SHARED STASH TABS

[jovial anvil]

Hopefully backpacks in the future fix this issue

[flint marsh]

Backpacks?

[jovial anvil]

Yea, store items in backpacks. For example backpacks are larger when you open them but they take up a 2x2. Inside the backpack is an 8x8

[flint marsh]

I just want something like in Path of Exile with shared stash tabs you can purchase for real money or whatever currency they want

[jovial anvil]

You'd just need to craft them. I know it's in the works rn

[flint marsh]

They could even create and sell specific stash tabs, just like in PoE, like "Collector stash tab", that automatically arrange your stash tab and allows to easily deposit items that are allowed into that specific tab.

[jovial anvil]

I agree it's a cool concept but I don't want more new players talking about the game to be pay to win, using more premium currency for stash space may upset some people.

I haven't played poe I am a little out of the loop on how their systems work. Have you seen tarkovs backpack system?

[flint marsh]

Yes, I'm familiar with the backpack concept, but I just think it's bad, it's more and more fiddling with inventory and losing time with that, rather than spending it in what it's actually fun, which is exploring/looting/pvping/escaping

I brought the PoE system because it's made to minmax your spent time with inventory management and really makes that struggle dissapear almost completely.

[jovial anvil]

I do feel like sorting your inventory is part of the game so I think just buying more tabs is the easy way out.

I think rather than making certain mechanics more common a better solution is to implement more systems.

Will add more layers to It but that's just my opinion on the situation. I also remember when there was only 1 stash tab, just what I'm used too I guess.

[earnest swift]

i have we should not get stash tabs

its not an arpg its an pvpve extraction game thats pay to win

more kits more quest advantage more market control

[flint marsh]

I can agree with you that managing your inventory it's part of the game, but not when on the menu, on the menu it should be fast and simple, specially considering that you're playing with other people that are waiting on you to get ready.

[earnest swift]

you drag and drop things. its not complicated thers gear, utilities, consumables, and mob drops thats it

[flint marsh]

If you're not going to provide solid argument, don't ever quote me again, ty

[earnest swift]

my argument is the backpacks they implimenting is akin to tarkov another pvpve extraction game

[flint marsh]

Yeah, and like I said, I'm familiar with that and that's just more fiddling with inventories

[jovial anvil]

Building and equipping a kit imo should take time and not be as simple as clicking a button to equip. It's just my personal opinion on the matter tho

[flint marsh]

We do NOT need more messing around with inventories when you want people/teams to queue for a new match ASAP

[earnest swift]

stash tabs arent a solution this isnt a problem you can equipt items by clicking them and organizing them in the stroage you do get. i have never had anyone ive played with in the last year ever have this issue youre having

if you have storage management issues i can understand but adding pay to win storgage to the game isnt the solution

everyone gets the same storage everyone has to manage the same space its not this complex system its a bank

i die and equip a 3k kit and go back into hr because i literally put the kits next to each other, i have potions and surgery kits in another tab, my quest items and crafting material in another

this is like basic human operation there isnt 20 leagues and 100 different orbs so we dont need stash tabs it would be generally considered pay to win in this environment

[flint marsh]

Dude, stop whiteknighting a shitty system with no solid argument, you keep saying "oh but you can equip this and unequip there", do you have some sort of brain damage or something? Who said I am the one that can't equip/unequip stuff, I'm saying that we shouldn't have lobbies of people waiting on others just organizing inventories endlessly.

It's not a good game design having idle time on lobbies, what's so hard to understand there? It's not healthy for the game

[earnest swift]

im not white knighting anything and i find the response offensive. i am suggesting your idea would be bad for the look of the game and give others an advantage. its a soluition in poe because the game is built with 1000 different items this game doesnt have that barrier at all

[flint marsh]

If you want to arrange your inventory with friends endlessly, go play fucking stardew valley and fuck off

[earnest swift]

i do not do this i drag and drop and move on it takes seconds. now youre just insulting me

you can shift click as well

[mental flame]

most heated discussion in this channel and its not even about balancing its about fucking inventory management

[flint marsh]

Oh, so you telling me how arranging your inventory is "basic human operation" is not provoking right? Go play some inventory management games then please and let this game have healthy lobby idle times.

[earnest swift]

it is

you drag and drop or shift click and go oh the boots go below the pants below the gloves below the chest below the helmet oh dang i made a full set of armor

oh this ore and demon tail i can put in this tab i will put my crafting stuff in this tab

this is a bad rolled pair of shoes i should vendor them and make more space for these blues with two good rolls

i dont need a seperate paid stash tab for the 3 plants in the game and the 5 ores my man it just gives anyone who buys it an advantage the whole point of the game is we all can thrive on our own merit

[earnest swift]

i only play pvp games if the storage was annoying id go do something else

[flint marsh]

Yeah, my suggestion implies that this is not the kind of game where you should have that type of interaction in the menus, but it seems that you lack the comprehension skills to actually see that, and keep explaining to me how to "properly" do inventory management when I actually don't need any of your explanation because knowing how to do it was never a problem. Then, last but not least, you start provoking and play the victim on the end. Lame

[earnest swift]

bro you literally drag and drop youre making an ant hill a mountain

[jovial anvil]

May be best to drop it on both sides tbh.

[earnest swift]

im not a victim im just responding to you thats how a debate goes but youre getting emotional

[flint marsh]

Wasn't planning on keep my discussion with a low IQ being anyway

[earnest swift]

you came into suggestion discussion and are getting upset with disscussion my man

if you are getting upest with a moderate like me some of the people in this server are going to fry you

[jovial anvil]

Welp I tried 🍿

[flint marsh]

I got upset because you're playing victim and are provoking without any clear argument, implying that this is such a basic human interaction that it shouldn't be a problem to solve in the first place.

[earnest swift]

this was my main point youd have a stroage advantage over anyone who doesnt pay for it i do not want paid stash tabs in the game you never attacked it just me

[flint marsh]

Less time in the menu is more time playing the game, what part of that sentence is so hard to digest for you?

[earnest swift]

i countered that argument by stating you sell what you dont need and keep what you want if youre out of space make space. im not for being able to buy more space. i understand your points but youre not attack my counters

this gives the person an advantage this isnt a single player mapping game it is a pvpve extraction game

[flint marsh]

Dude, this is an invalid argument because it is already TRUE that players paying have advantage. More tabs won't give them MORE advantage necessarily, and being able to purchase shared tabs separately is potentially better for those looking to only pay for the stash tab rather than any of the other benefits of legendary edition, thus making it more affordable.

[earnest swift]

let me give you a recent example with tarkov. recently with the new package you get "deep pocket" or two more slots in each pocket meaning instant access to the items in these pockets. people happily paid $50 ontop of wha they already did the get these two extra slots in each pocket

[tall mountain]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/570964/improve-upon-class-identity-and-diversity another day another posting of hoping for subclass talents/abilities unlocks after level 15.

[jovial anvil]

This will be coming eventually, the devs said they are working on skill trees but they are a long way off. That was the point of multiclassing, to gather data on what would be strong and work with each class. And what would be op or busted.

[tall mountain]

eyyy.

[tall mountain]

ideally i'd like to actually avoid the multiclass altogether if possible. it's more or less to specialize into a field of those classes to begin with. (Fighter already has Slayer for Dual Wielding as an example that could be made better tailored for it's style.) It's to branch further into what the themes the subclass can bring out to enhance the gameplay and have a more unique touch to each classes fields of specializing overall. perhaps a ranger variant could do more of this and get access to some better armors as part of it. (we REALLY need chain/medium armor proper for classes.)

[jovial anvil]

For example, you'd be able to take specific perks down a certain tree from other classes heavily controlled.

I believe that's what the devs intend. Your idea is cooler but a lot more work and the games very far off from that rn

[flint marsh]

I don't get your example, what's your point here?
Anyway, like I said before, I don't like to waste my time, neither in the menus or having a pointless discussion with a random. I already stated my arguments, they still hold true besides your points which never invalidated mines. You seem to have a problem with paying in the game tho, for me that's not a problem, and if devs can get a revenue from making inventory management dissapear, they could even consider enabling more slots for f2p players. The more revenue sources, the more are the possibilities for f2p players.
Bye

[earnest swift]

its not an argp its a pvpve extraction game players will pay for this stroage advantage and i dont expect a newer player to understand the nuance

[tall mountain]

Like no cap; i'd play Eldritch Knight [Fighter] or a Dark Knight [Warlock; pact of the blade] variant of these two if given the chance. the problem for those is the fact spell casting is tied to Q and E instead of being an innate ability part of the class to begin with. Wizard and bard free up the need for spells/music in those slots and can put more useful things in there (not that bard technically needs it but classes that innately spellcast shouldn't have it tied to a Q/E if possible, save those for active abilities not ones that should be already part of the kit (maybe a new keybinding?)

[earnest swift]

im not mad at you youre just ignorant and can only see your perspective but im speaking as a long term player whose watched the game develop over the last year

[flint marsh]

Not a new player, but low IQ brats tend to assume that being new in discord equals new in the game. Bye

[earnest swift]

the icon over ur head says im new here

[flint marsh]

😂

[earnest swift]

again you insult my intelligence its kinda cringe man like we can talk lol thats the point of this channel you are the rudest person ive talked to in this channel

my reasoning is very valid new and old players would call this pay to win and hate the idea from jump

your logistical reasoning dont undermine my social counterpoint theyre both valid this is how people with high iq think we do not just flame and call others stupid please next time you join this channel be kinder to the persons you are having a conversation with

[jovial anvil]

Hey y'all, remember when y'all said you were gonna drop it.

[earnest swift]

i never said that

i love talking about the game i love both its good and bad i love open forums and disscussion if hes too imature to do that it isnt my problem

[jovial anvil]

the last thing I want is people to get strikes for being aggressive with each other. Probably best to take it to DMS or just not continue it bc it seems to be overly heated.

[earnest swift]

i was never upset friend, bro got heated cause i disagreed instead of agreeing like a drone

[tall mountain]

where's the misunderstanding and snag here? i'm on 3 am brain rn

[earnest swift]

suggest stash tabs like poe for the game for fast and easy storage and go back in but that game has 100s of items, orbs, unqiues, and other gems and shit

also that game is free and you paying for stash tabs is like the entry free to actual mapping and bossing late game this game doesnt have anywhere near the items and it would just feel pay to win was my argument but he just kept saying i had low iq and my points didnt matter

[tall mountain]

like if we want to get turbo tarkov just purchase storage to autosort to hold those specific items.
Treasures, Monster drops, equipment, consumables, etc.
but i dunno. The current Diabloesque grid system without the organization of containers i can see being a bit problematic.

[earnest swift]

then when i asked him to attack my points not me he said i was victim playing and then repeated his points then insulted my iq again

for sure i can see his reasoning but he refused to see my perspective at all and got real emotional

[tall mountain]

happens to the best of us; just best leave him be.

[earnest swift]

once youve played a bit its not too hard to organize a few boxes lets be honest its a generic banking system every game has had since forever right

he got heated when i suggested this is like a normal human thing to organize your shit its not hard lol

[tall mountain]

on one hand yes organizing boxes is a thing.
on the other hand
I have seen some psychopath storage organization and let me tell you it bothers me when it's too organized or the laundry pile

[earnest swift]

i have a bit of OCD as well but there are days i just kill players and throw the gear in storage to sell later and go back in or die and reequip some gear from a tab and go back in its not like this herculean task

[tall mountain]

if i ever see a tab of someone's stash with the entire tab of nothing but rings meticulously ordered alphabetically and by boon ever again I might need a drink.

[earnest swift]

aint no way see thats what bro thought i was talking about lmfao i would never but imagine "$5 jewlery tab"

[tall mountain]

E
A
Games
Microcharge EVERYTHING

[uneven thunder]

When arena comes out, please add private arena button so you can practice with your friends

[gilded aspen]

Give us Arena Boss practice

I wanna flex on warlord with longsword and get good

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

[bold kite]

brackets in HR would be nice

[grave stirrup]

PUT MORE COSMETICS IN THE SHOP SO WE CAN FUND U GUYS , LETS GO PEOPLE WANNA LOOK COOL AND U GUYS LIKE MONEY

[granite plinth]

please restore old HR, spending 10x more for gear is much worse than 100 gold for entrance

[sinful thicket]

Something like 1-224 and 225-infinite would be such a nice change

[lavish spire]

Please fix bats and mummy spiders from body blocking it makes no sense at all

[lunar narwhal]

I dont understand this tho. if you are going HR you benefit from throwing on gear to be stronger along with the PvE and enemies you will fight. there isnt a fee now the LEAST you could do is bring in some blues and purples and actually play the game.

[static dove]

TL;DR: Keep minimum 225 Gear Score HR lobbies. Add a base kit, or "sub25" gear score to the High Roller bracket. With or without an ante.

I have put a lot of thought into this. I really like the HR change for not only the health of the game, but the health of the playerbase. it entices the itch to really get into the thick of the high stakes enviornment of DaD. The change has FILLED the previously EMPTY HR lobbies.

That being said, it also hurts a part of the playerbase, including myself. why you may ask? simply put, my friends and I are not that good. Thats it. We dont have the skill to constantly stay on top, let alone have the skill to get the thousands of coins necessary on our respective classes to put up a solid fight against HR opponents. It's not simply gear diff - although putting together 225 gear score isnt all that hard or expensive - the kit is going to suck if you ONLY have that 225 number in mind, whilst on a budget. We have spent some time going in with budget 225-250 kits just to play high roller, and the lobbies are now full due to the popularity of the change. This is a great thing! The only problem is, we dont run into other like minded "bad players" where the only thing that matters is just getting into the lobby. We run into people who spent time and gold putting together a badass kit. kits intended on being used to kill other players. (obviously.)
This is not a bad thing, its kind of the point of playing High Roller as well as the awesome loot. This brings me to the point of my long winded suggestion: The new HR system puts a blockade in front of the casual playerbase, and the "bad player" playerbase. There are a lot of us. We cannot compete, we cannot get AP for the rewards. There is now a barrier between me and playing HR: the plethora of other players that can beat me 99%-100% of the time, gear diff or not. "get good" may be the only counter to this point, but this leads me to my suggestion.

Please, add a "sub 25" gear score bracket to the high roller lobbies, and keep the "225 minimum" as well. This requires PvE knowledge and map knowledge to survive. This change feels like it stays in line with the game that the devs are trying to create, a dungeon crawler with no forgiveness. It lets noobs like me try my best in the hard dungeon and have a chance at even getting good gear, now that the good gear is being blockaded by other players. A change like this would also keep in check the AP grinders. Surely, you see that no gear in HR is difficult to make through, so the AP is earned in that sense. This also creates very little incentive for people that want the best gear to stay out, as they will continue with the 225 GS minimum lobbies to PvP for the good gear.

Basically, the HR change has put a blockade in even being involved in HR at all, without ENDLESS grinding in low roller for lots and lots of gold for a good kit. Didnt run HR for good gear before? well, you wont survive in HR now. Cant go into HR now because of the change and gear diff? too bad, chump.
^ that feels like the only answer to this change at this moment.

I beg of anyone reading this to let me know your thoughts.

[waxen ice]

hot take, i think player to player trading should be removed and replaced with a more basic market where only gear/utility items that are sold by players to merchants appear at predetermined prices.

[sinful thicket]

"The changes has FILLED the previously EMPTY HR lobbies." Not really. The same patch where they changed the highroller requirements, they also showed the season rewards. A TON of players only grind highroller after rewards are shown.

IMO they should add 2 queues for high roller. 1. is 1-224 and the other is 225+. This way players like you and a lot of others can realistically play highroller and learn that way and people who dont want to play against "rats" can. Luckily for me i grinded all my characters to wanderer before the change. If i did after i would have hated it.

[jovial anvil]

More queues = more dead lobbies. I'd wager 20% of the actual playerbase plays HR ATM so empty lobbies are fairly common. I think this would make it worse tbh

[sinful thicket]

100%, but this is also 1 month before wipe. I get empty lobbies only at around 23-04. When wipe happens we are getting way more players.

[glacial sphinx]

20% is pushing it. My guess is its actually closer to 5

[waxen ice]

I think theres a deeper issue here, the fact that the only real threat to players with some amount of experience are other players. I think the base mobs in hr should be much more threatening, incentivising players to bring in gear to be able to get through the mobs. the fact that most experienced players can go into hr as base kit and not have to worry about dying to mobs is a problem in my eyes.

[static dove]

i beg to differ. I have been playing all season, and 225+ Gear score HR lobbies were dead previous to this change. The big bad boy lobbies were the highest gear bracket "normal lobbies". thats where the high gear PvP'ers had to go to find other players.

If you now que into the highest gear bracket low roller lobby, you will find it EMPTY in all maps and ques. there is no longer an incentive to play here as the HR bracket has been "fixed". One reason is the que size change, its a big stop to ratting.

"IMO they should add 2 queues for high roller. 1. is 1-224 and the other is 225+. This way players like you and a lot of others can realistically play highroller and learn that way and people who dont want to play against "rats" can. Luckily for me i grinded all my characters to wanderer before the change. If i did after i would have hated it."

This goes against the reason for my change suggestion - its more of an "all or nothing" attitude. The lower gear bracket still allows for min/maxing and superior gear to shine. the base kit lobby is more of a death sentance to even begin to allow noobs and bad players to begin experiencing the "next level" of the game.

[static dove]

This que only appeals to AP farmers (generally solo aka no friends to play with), and to low skilled players that normally play low roller. Why would someone with 50K+ in gear and gold want to go low gear HR a majority of the time? sure, it would be fun to kill people a few times... but consistently? that consistency would lie in the playerbase that is stuck in the middle such as myself. Too much time in low roller to keep playing, too bad to play HR.

[tidal lake]

For druids

we're kinda in a spot where we are the jack of all trades without the tools to do any of them.

Wanna be melee? Cool start with 12 str.

Wanna build shape-shifting? Panther like bear you can't even practice without sacrificing lots of gear to the 124 or 225 brackets because with squire gear you just cannot, base kit you're so fucked compared to other classes in sub 25

So you would think we're supposed to play as caster.
. Enjoy your one single damage spell that you kinda wanna hold onto because it's also one of your most valuable heals.
Also almost nothing will scale with magic bonuses.

Weapon selection? Well you don't get any ranged weapons so enjoy your spear or mace.

Skills? Well the other classes have a bunch for different playstyles and boosts in magic, physical and weapon damages. We get... the ability to find flowers and another skill that's 1000% mandatory for every build which means it should be baked into the class to at least let us pretend to have options.In 5e when you wild shape you retain your mental stats and your physicals are set to a number. We could easily have the same here for each form, have bear and panther at 30 str or dex. Or have them scale flat from gear score, and or bracket as the base to be augmented. Keeping it from being too strong would be the main focus.

Then we could use perks like the wizard masteries like panther master, bear mastery ect that could specifically scale up their damage. Giving us at least some options. The other classes get weapon or will % skills we could easily do the same and allow some variance

[static dove]

but these experienced players will have less incentive to use this lobby. simply for the efficiency. It is not easy to farm mobs and loot to the same degree as having a decent gear character.

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/571987/base-kit-high-roller-lobby-bracket
please upvote if you agree with my points

[granite plinth]

on HR u have diff things than normal, harder mobs, u cant learn them on normal mode, so basically spending everything u have to somehow have this 225 HR and get no diffed by some blue skeleton

[static dove]

This was my experience as well. Lost an entire wipe of Low roller grinding worth of gear and gold getting to that 225 GS, just to go in and loot one module - and get absolutely destroyed by a player. This happened continuously.

[sinful thicket]

The fact that you have to be trio to queue trio is 100% gonna lead to more people in the best scenario where there is enough people to fill the lobby since a solo who goes in trio will take up an entire team slot.

“I beg to differ. I have been playing all season, and 225+ gear score HR lobbies were dead previous to this change.”

First of all there wasn’t a 225+ gear score bracket before. There wasn’t even any bracket. People just wasn’t grinding AP. This has happened EVERY season… when rewards get shown people start to grind them wayyy more than before. Ofc some people only go in HR to pvp, but that’s a small portion rn.

[static dove]

yes i know about the numbers, i was just typing swiftly without looking up the numbers. But the highest gear bracket.

[sinful thicket]

Mate… there hasn’t been ANY HR gear score bracket before the change.

[static dove]

"but that’s a small portion rn."

I do not agree, that was not my experience for a solid 9-10 runs of HR across the weekend. I was completely wiped by another squad 100% of the runs we tried.

[static dove]

Then I am comparing the lobbies to a few patches ago, my mistake. when there were gear brackets for the HR.

[sinful thicket]

So you think those “chads” were just there to simply pvp? Chads farm AP by pvping. You can easily get to pathfinder just pvping. Even voyager if you are good.

A lot of those people also have like 5-9 characters who are the same class as their own farming then up to wanderer

[static dove]

No, i have no intent of even knowing what they wanted to do. as far as im concerned, they are there to enjoy the game that I love so much. Im just speaking out as my experience has been VASTLY changed from previous patches to now.

[granite plinth]

i mean u still need have this Premium thing for red shards to play HR, and still u cant do that cuz cant hit the gear, and if u do, u get destroyed by mob u never seen cuz normal just so much easier

[ripe frigate]

bump

[south topaz]

Changes all the Animal form attack scaling to 18+STRx0.5625 for Bear, 25+AGIx0.5 for Panther and 25+RESx0.5625 for Chicken.
Not as broken in the high end, not utterly useless in <24gs, slightly better at BiS <124gs
Also change the revert-to-human skill to Press <Cancel key> to return to human, and free up another wild shape slot.
And make the Treant spell Tier 3 instead of 5, no need to revert the count as having too many summon needlessly prolong the fight but having it being tier 5 makes PVE painful.

[ripe frigate]

we should not nerf druid more than it has already been nerfed, leave the poor druid alone

[south topaz]

It is a massive buff to base gear druid and minor buff to <124gs BiS druid.
Nerf to high tier Druid (~200gs range) and Big nerf to absolute BiS Druid (~500+gs range).
This is to fix the scaling issue where low tier druid are completely useless while top tier are completely borked.

[sinful thicket]

imo a wayyyy more important change they should do is after they have made so instruments have specific slots in you inventory (not in toolbelt) they should do so it autoswaps between instruments. When playing a drum song it just pulls the drum up instantly when playing. Feeling more like how a wizard does it. Bard is a insanee class, but not a lot enjoy playing it because of the annoyance of both having no space in toolbelt, but also having to juggle instruments.

[ripe frigate]

maybe, i definitly think thats the case but like din of darkness is so fucking useless atm outside of memey builds that it really can't be used if you're taking the game even sort of seriously

[ripe frigate]

but knowing iron mace they'll take that and make it so druid sucks all around and then we're just fucked lol

[south topaz]

They will casually forget the constant part of the 18+STRx0.5625 and turn it into STRx0.5625

[ripe frigate]

or instead of 18+strx0.5625 it'll be like 18+strx0.05625

[sinful thicket]

100%. Tbf after they make sorcerer. they should put new classes on hold and try and fix all the excisting classes. There is soo many useless perks and abilities in every class.

[ripe frigate]

it sorta shoe horns everyone into building the same way and just relying on skill/gear while thats good perks should play a larger part in diversity

[sinful thicket]

100% agree. I love how warlocks can have life drain build, demon build, curse build and they are all vastly different to play. Every class should have different playstyles like that

[south topaz]

And there are also problems where they are forcing people into one playstyles with pointless nerfs.

[ripe frigate]

while i think its fine, the agility focus might also be part of the problem as well. might need to add another sub skill that gives you more acrobatic abilities that might be a way to add some build diversity so you're not stuck with who's the fastest. though i admit it might end up going from who can move the fastest to who can jump the farthest/highest lmao

[ripe frigate]

i think warlock and cleric and fighter might be the only classes with multiple playstyles that actually 'work' while everyone else is stuck doing one thing since their perk/weapon/gear choices aren't the best

[ripe frigate]

like the needless rat and panther nerfs, they basically made the panther useless and nerfed tree which wasn't even the problem spell lol

[tidal lake]

Yeah something akin to this with mastery skills to push more varied options would be lovely. Bear mastery could give small pdr buff or 5% phys power ect

Panther for ms or dex. Ect

Just some variation we HAVE to take shape-shifting mastery no matter what, which is silly and I can't think of any other class that has a "have to take" skill, or we have the herb one they buffed which nobody ever runs or will run when rogues get 3 that add like 20%+ damage

[south topaz]

You know why they need to nerf panther?
They are insanely broken on 124gs BiS and extra broken on the +500gs fun club. BECAUSE of the insane scaling. (They 3 SHOTS you)
Yet they completely missed the underlying issue of horrible scaling.
It is like Bard all again

[ripe frigate]

bard has rapier mastery but thats just cause movement for that class is a must and rapier is the lightest weapon they have with the lowest ms cost i play it different but i know it's not optima. then there's like charismatic which is another must since bard's entire gimmic revolves around a minigame which has a pretty high % of failure the other 2 are usually optional but there are perks that are recommended for optimal play

[tidal lake]

Charismatic was Def the closest I was thinking about, but you CAN still play without it, if good enough. But yeah it's kinda the no Brainer pick for them like mastery for us

[ripe frigate]

thats the thing, they nerfed it at the low end instead of targeting the scaling issue low end maybe into high panther is like almost unusable without heavy investment now they fixed the main thing that fucked panther but the scaling issue is still present. it is nice that you can use it for chase again tho, yknow unless i misread the notes

[tidal lake]

But yeah low rank it feels horrible to wildshape and get mopped up, and so we gotta go spear or mace and our base stats start so far back for melee that even that hurts. With basic squire gear I think fully kitted you start at like fighter base before gear

[tidal lake]

It's hard to say, currently it's rough to test at high levels because you've gotta buy a kit and lose it while practicing if you mess up because high and low play are so vastly different

Watching your stats and going from. "Never use this shape" to. "Okay this shape is online now" is rough

I grabbed a high str 124 kit last night. But because we start so far behind in stats my health and agi were severely lacking in comparison, took out a low wizard and helped on a rogue but got wrecked by a barb

We gotta change playstyles not only in the lobby, but in the match, idk how many others have that same situation. I've only messed with the casters

[south topaz]

~1100g <124gs build can give you around 35 STR and you become a 3 Shot Bear on virtually everyone (2 shot on low gear wizard/Ranger/Rogue)
Add in a bard and Cleric buffball and you become more broken than a buffball barb

[solemn bough]

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[tidal lake]

Also I'm far from a pro. There's def skill issues involved as well

[ripe frigate]

you gonna get banned bro, uninstall that cheating software gahdamn

[tidal lake]

Ima grab another after work

[south topaz]

Also please remove the -22% Magical damages on every player made magic attack except hellfire
Wizard are still painful to play

[tidal lake]

I loved playing my warlock more so for the options, but I don't want to have to switch in order to not be wasting my time. I'd prefer to keep maining druid. I'm no stranger to playing classes that aren't top tier, but at least be competitive. Ya know?

[ripe frigate]

they'd have to do an all around buff to magic damage, it'd be nice to just yknow be able to use my spells on mobs

[tidal lake]

Oh is that really a thing? I did find it strange that my spells didn't hurt mobs as bad as I thought they would. I wasn't aware

Why is shellfire excludes

[south topaz]

Hellfire would be insanely broken because Mob AI are stupid

[tidal lake]

Oh, I mistook what you were saying my bad lol

[uneven rain]

druid is actually balls now. I cant even outheal a fucking wizard using potions. Way to go @keen onyx you actually killed the class by giving everyone better healing. RIP druid, 2024-2024

[rough kindle]

GET BETTER SERVERS U SON OF GUNSSSSSSSSS

[tidal lake]

Just replying to this so it doesn't get buried

@keen onyx

[clear compass]

The game play has completely changed in HR due to the new GS implement. I had no problem in HR and now I keep running into people mostly legendries just hunting for pvp, when I usually just go in with blue gear at the min lvl. I hate the new change

[south topaz]

Druid balancing, so they are not completely useless on low end and broken on top

• Changes all shapeshift base scaling to (17.5 + ATTIRBUTE x 0.5625) x multiplier, Make Panther 70% -> 75% health, Bear 150% -> 200% health and remove bonus PDR, Chicken 40% -> 50% health, Rat 5% -> 3.125% Health. Make chicken peck easier to land and make the heal heals 30 HP flat. Make bear able to crouch, which reduces the hitbox just enough to go through doors
  Druid shapeshifts are completely useless on random gears/<24gs, broken on >225gs. This should make druid performs similarly across the entire gear range (40 ATTIRBUTE reference), also QOL.

• Press <Cancel key> to revert to human instead of a skill, frees up a shapeshift slot
  More shapeshifts are always fun.

• Make the Summon spell Tier 5 -> 2, Spell count unchanged
  Too many summon needlessly prolong the fight but being tier 5 makes PVE painful.

• Barkskin armor gives +150 AR instead of x1.2 PDR; Tree of life grants +5 -> +10 all ATTIRBUTE; Nature touch heals 20hp/recoverable over 15sec
  Make underwhelming/chore spell useful.

Does this sound good? about to throw into the suggestion board

[ripe frigate]

Ehh if its a t2 maybe 4 summons cause that's on par with other 2s otherwise its fine

4 isn't any different than it was before the nerf I mean treent didn't need nerfed to begin with. Dumb af ai low hp low damage

[south topaz]

It adds 30 seconds into a fight for no reason.
If the druid are willing to sits for 20 seconds for an extra summon mid-fight, powers to them, but otherwise having the first 30 seconds being summon spam is just pointless
Hydra should be addressed separately, add a cooldown of 30 seconds, summon another hydea within the cooldown increases the cooldown stack by 1 and reset the timer. You take more damage the more hydra fatigue cooldown stack you got.

[ripe frigate]

adds 30 seconds if you don't full ignore the treent kinda your fault if you treat it as a threat. dies in three hits and is slow, you can legit just walk around it if you kite it to you. its just a poking a pveing tool, and hydra can barely hit the broad side of a barn at close range

[tidal lake]

All looks good to me. U don't run tree of life so I'll just defer to yall on that

[south topaz]

It WILL be a threat if it was used as a door blocker.
And holy hell it was annoy seeing door blocking treeant/hydra wasting 20-30 seconds for no reason
Not to mention, Chain lightning seeding

[ripe frigate]

and? its the one tool that druid has outside of using vine wall or entangle, it's like people want to be able to just run up to the squishy cloth wearing hippy with the spear and two tap him for free. he needs tools, 4 treents isn't op, its just irritating which isn't a reason to nerf it, same reason rat shouldn't squeak like a squeaky toy every five seconds for no reason. just cause its annoying doesn't mean it should be nerfed, now warlock i'll give you, less tools for him the better but leave the hippy alone gahdamn lmao

[sinful thicket]

i have played druid to level 170 this season and mained him until the big nerfs came. Honestly the rat should say a noise every once in a while imo, but the treant thing was 100% unneccesary. Like even in under 25 gs lobbies people killed it sooo fast. Majority of the time treant got a kill was if i was fighting a complete timmy. Now i just use it to block doors really and even at that it isnt crazy.

[south topaz]

• Make the Summon spell Tier 5 -> 2, Spell count 2 -> 3
  Would that be better?

[ripe frigate]

could bring it back to 3 and just totally reverse the nerf and i'd be happy cause that treent thing was just stupid in general but 2-3 is prolly okay

[ripe frigate]

they do tho, every time they move they squeak, that i'm fine with but just sitting still and squeaking at random is kind of stupid. like a rat in nature when trying to hide? isn't going to do that

[south topaz]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/572041/druid-balancing-so-they-are-not-completely-useless-on-low-end-and-broken-on-top
Fix druid balancing (Make shapeshift behaves similarly across the entire gear range and make some useless/chore spell better)

Make Druid Playable Again

[sinful thicket]

man im just waiting for the gorilla form

only reason i use druid sometimes now is for farming gold in goblin caves. The fact i can go through entire map so fast makes it a chill farm. Otherwise i dont ever play it anymore sadly.

[dull finch]

hotfix lich king chasing orb collision box

[static cypress]

Just give us magic resist potions, seriously.

[south topaz]

The Purple Magic Protection Potion that blocks NULL/NULL/20/25/30/35/40 Magical Damages for 24 seconds.
It was in the game.

[static cypress]

Not like the potions of protection. They're gated by herbs. Which is ridic. Gives magic users way more viability.

[dark lynx]

IMO the game needs a few things to Realize some of the movement in game so not everyone can just run. Players should get a MS penetaly for removing clothes while running and it should take longer to unequip/equip and item while moving. Tired of trying to push a ranger and getting close to see them stripping mid sprint. I promise most people wouldn't be able to remove Plate armor/most chest or pants while running full sprint without compromising their speed. if someone can take off a full suit of armor while maintain a sprint please send me a video and i will be impressed. All jumping to land should have a MS penalty. Makes sense to keep your momentum while you jump but landing should slow you down a lil bit like a rgues double jump. Fighter in full plate shouldnt be able to get close to MS cap. It makes no sense a guy wearing so much weight can be as fast as someone of same class wearing cloth and leather gear. I get its a fantasy game and i have no problems with things like wizards warlocks and druids using magice or summoning thing or shapeshifting. When i think of those classes that kind of the idea i had. But when i think of a plate fighter I don't imagine someone running as fast as usain bolt wearing 50-60 lbs of steel. Thats not including weapons and shield either.

[south topaz]

Unlike the clarity potion which is craft-gated, this thing can be looted in dungeon. (Marketplace 40g per potion)
Also it is a direct nerf to all magic user as this is a specific block to them (Wizard got hurt the most, followed by warlock/cleric and bard)

[static cypress]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah they're kinda running over lobbies currently. There's no reason why we should be not having the option to spend our gold on defensive consumables that help vs poke. You're saying the 20+ spells the wiz can toss out is not oppressive?

[south topaz]

Wizard are THE hardest class to play correctly and you have to be playing them perfectly to be as good as fighter/longsword Warlock/Barb.

[static cypress]

Wizard is not even close to being as hard as bard, druid and hell even rogue.

[dark lynx]

There is also tons of MR options to build in games. Maybe if you are running into more wizards you should swap around some gear to include MR. I know a fighter with a good set can pretty much hit 60% MR and PR. Barbs can get really high as well and locks have that anti magic perks they naturally have 25% resistance. Just got to make some gear sacrifice

[hoary flint]

this is arguable, but wiz has for the most part had the least health and the most time sitting being vulnerable. Outside of recent buffs they have been hurt the most with the new armors having so much magic resist

[sinful thicket]

i think they need to do an entire rework of how movement speed works. The fact that you can have +2 agi on every piece of gear is dumb imo. +5 per lego jewelry and some pieces like frostlight warden outfit gives 6 agi as a base stat. IMO every class should have base speed 300. gear gives only minus movespeed except for boots. Then you balance classes movespeed depending on gear + abilities. Cap of 330 is fine. This way its WAY easier to balance a class' movespeed. Simply saying these pants give -3 movespeed instead of -5.

Right now people can have a weapon out and be 330 movespeed which is ridiculous. The improvements you mentioned would 100% also be a great improvement

[hoary flint]

druid and rogue are the fastest class so they should be the easist to disengage

[static cypress]

Wizard and ranger shine the most if given enough space to poke. The door way spam is getting pretty old in trios with frontline holding vs meding wizard. There needs to be more of an opening for classes to be able to push past the splash damage and bs. THey buffed missing on their fireball. That's just a bad change overall, you don't have to be as skilled now.

My biggest complaint atm is the fact that blue pots work in lower/mid lobbies to bring in. High roller it's w.e just afford the pots on the market. I just don't see why not giving the option to take a bunch of purp grey/whites.

[sinful thicket]

if we could bring in a ton of crazy pots into below 124 then it would mess it up sooo bad xD

imagine going in and facing a dude in 124 lobby that has purple pots and trollsblood haha

[dark lynx]

They could also replace useless abilities of classes to aide in combat. Like I love the idea of a rogue being a sneaky, high speed crafty fighter. Instead of abil like stealth, Tumble, Smoke bombs they should get abilities like a flash pot (think like a 2 charge ability recovaerable by campfire sitting that acts like a franch axe the pretty much shares a blind effect like clerics holy strike), ability to close the gap and abilities (I like the idea of a short sprint to a slide which if you hit a target with the slide it slows them and you wouldn't be able to use weapons during the short sprint window - i been talking w/ buds it should be called sweep the leg) to make em harder to hit like a lunge (think like a ranger backstep but you have more controll which way you are going). By adding a few more abils that are actually usefull would make thing like plugging obselete or at least able to be deal with. Like if a fighter had a shield out and used sprint it would be more like a shield charge that would stat check phys power. So if a fighter with less phys power gets charged the get pushed back like trying to block a roided barbs double axe

[tall mountain]

rogue with a new ability: I CAST IED. NICE KNEECAPS!

[dark lynx]

I mean if you can survive it still be better the a landmine rogue sitting near an exit

[static cypress]

Trolls blood is 500 a pop min atm. I think if someone brings that in, ignite wizards will still have a good time. To believe people really think a shiny bubble is gonna negate everything. It makes you an easier target to track and hit as well. I must be on punked or something lmao

[dark lynx]

Hey i was curious troll blood work with potion chugger? I dont play my barb enough because you know everyone has bows atm but i am currious if its like a super second wind for a barb

[sinful thicket]

okay i realize you were talking about magic protection pots not epic pots.

but the troll blood part being 500 a pop doesnt matter. People are rich at the end of wipe and some people drink those like its happy hour

i think the major problem with not being able to bring in magic protection pots is simply because there isn't any common rarity ones

[static cypress]

I think it's be the easiest thing to implement. Such an easier fix than tweaking the magic casters a bunch. Then you're not having to stack mr only with your gear. Once you're gear is set to something there's little flexibility to adapt to a comp full of a certain type of damage.

I think we all should be given the option of rock, paper and scissors.. rather than being like welp.. I got rock, guess we just get shit on by paper. HOPEFULLY we don't go anywhere near a paper comp. Sigh

[sinful thicket]

A reaaaaaaly easy fix imo that also solves some other annoyances would be for alchemist to sell grey magic pots and protection pots. Easy peasy.

[static cypress]

Yep yep. I agree, if they're feeling really spicy do even hybrid potions that do half of both, same duration.

[graceful frost]

Landing already slows you down a bit my man

[dark lynx]

Yes and no. Do a time run of 10s normal runing vs b hoping vs spam jumping. Landing does -20 ms for a fraction of a second (a very insignificant amount). if you are spam jumping for sure slows you down significantly because chance of you jumping during momentum loss is very likely. But if u take a step after jumping and bhop you are essentially going the same speed as if u just run. There is a reason why the top ranger spam jump. Not only does it make it harder to tell if they are jumping over their own trap so they dont give it away bt also it doesnt come at a cost to them

[graceful frost]

the devs want bhopping as a feature. it wasnt innitially inteded but they dont see it as an issue currently.

I think some sort of skill expression to the movement is great for the game, especially since its pretty small.

either way if your complaining about ranger its a skill issue ]

[dark lynx]

not complaining about ranger complaing about movement and how much ms is broken making certain classes way less viable. If you dont build mass agi you are significantly underpowered u cant touch most other classes. Skill expression should be based on class. Prime Example Druids. Panther hoping, Rat tunneling etc. It takes timing and skill to go through most doors and significantly more skill to do a rat hole on a door thats on a incline or decline. Jumping around every .5s isnt skilll. its not hard to do its just dumb. I dont have a problem when people prime attacks via jump swing to not lose momentum or jump draw or jump begin to cast. Like it took me some time on apex to learn wall bouncing and tap strafing. Then it takes more time and effort and knowledge to know when its viable to wall bounce or tap strafe if you do it at a bad time you get punished. Whats the negative effect of spamming jump in this game every .5s? hell i can make a mouse auto macro that will do it for me i never even hav to think about it lol

also if you want to show how skilled you are maybe the should look into something that takes timing and precision like chambering

[vestal cloud]

day 2 of suggesting that half naked barbs should not be 2 tapping and out running everyone

[abstract willow]

torches need more capability like throw to disarm traps and reviles invisible players

[gaunt iron]

It will trigger traps, and if you hit an invisble player, it will reveal them

[abstract willow]

come on bro hunting traps and like light orb does

[tall mountain]

just two tap them back; they're half naked

[brazen token]

The alternative is the mostly melee-only class whose only ranged options are low-damage frannies that vanish on impact and bard drums should be able to outrun nobody ever and just die to anyone with a ranged weapon.

[graceful frost]

idk why your so mad that it doesn't have a down side. tap strafing and wall bouncing in apex doesn't rlly have a downside.

its a movement mechanic. there is no reason jumping needs to have an insane penalty. Why would we remove some of the small amounts of skill expression in movement.

I dont think jumping throuhg doors or panther jump is that difficult, i can do it consistently nor do i think its great design.

They already are failing at balance and a lot of other class aspect how can you expect them to give ever class some skill expression equivilent to druid stuff.

Bhop is perfectly fine for now lol. you prolly just lost to 1 ranger

[graceful frost]

Also bhop does take timing and precision lol. its a lot more than just spam jumping.

[ripe frigate]

bump

[ripe frigate]

honestly think they should give barbarians a bow of some kind. doesn't even have to be a good bow, but barbarians would be able to use bows either that or give them the barbarian feature from dnd that lets them throw shit super hard(and yes i'm talking about objects in the dungeon like pots or barrels lol)

[brazen token]

Frannies used to be better, but they got nerfed into the dirt because people complained. So now we have weaker frannies that deal less damage than a bard's thrown drum, poof on impact, and that can't be stacked. A weak bow would be great.

[ionic tendon]

IM needs to change the inferno boss room.. there should be an altar in the boss room that allows you to summon ANY OF THE BOSSES. especially with the quests. It's ridiculous how much time I have to Invest just hopping to even have a chance at attempting the boss I want.

[tall mountain]

if you want to give Barbarian something, give them javelins or the Recurve Bow.

[ripe frigate]

recurve would make sense since irl it's sorta str based as it requires a decent amount of upper body str to pull. javalins would also be nice since they could double as spears.

[dark lynx]

Thats my point b hoping takes 0 skill so its not a skill expressions. I not mad i am saying movement in this game need to be brought in. Plater people should not be able to sprint as fast as a rogue or ranger. Nor should they be able to take off a 40lbs of equipment in a instant. Bhoping is not skill oreinted its dumb. Anything a macro can do is not skill. Players who can bob and weave attacks and have to react is a skill expression. Give classes more abilities that can help highlight their class fantasy. Hell Let ranger wall jump off objects to get higher positions or be able to bounce of a friendly shield / polearm to get an advantage. There is so much you can do to each class that would require time and effort to learn and "express ones skill" vs me keybinding my ` key to press spacebar every .5s on repeat. Cool send me a video of you 10/10 in a row a incline and decline jump for a rat tunnel. Send me a video of you clearing a large leap with the panther slide into a bear right click landing the hit on an opponent. Most decent druid players can only consistantly do flat rat tunnels and sometimes does the panther slide correctly. And its not timing and precision the -20 ms reduction is a fraction of a second once you are off that fraction of a second you can jump so i can clip a video get the exact point of when the ms is no longer penalize and then make a simple macro via LG to do bhoping for me and have it just repeate loop and set it to what ever key i want. Anything i can macro is not skill expression

[graceful frost]

you clearly don't bhop. bhop takes skill lol. thats why i think your coping

[dark lynx]

Right you must be right cause you for sure got more chromosomes then me Lmao

[graceful frost]

i mean it is a lot harder than just spamming jump. you gotta use scroll wheel jump and time it along with your attack.

its so obvious your coping after gettign shredded by rangers and warlocks

[dark lynx]

but i dont again i dont need to set it up on scroll wheel i can macro it through LG where you can cause buttons to be pressed at any interval time so you key bind a key to have a input that will "bunny hop" while you are casting. Cause that is a bunny hop right using your jumping motion to maintain speed while doing thing like drawing the bow or casting spells. A function i can do via a macro in LG. again 0 skill to do a "Bhop" if i can build it into a macro. The class iw ould say i have the most trouble with is prob fighters using rondle and longbow since but ranger dont kill me that often since i play a Demo/Hydra Drain Lock. They cant maintain damage vs me blocking of a section i just dont like the running and running everyone does.

[graceful frost]

bro just admitted to macroing.

You realize thats cheating right?

[dark lynx]

Lol no its not anything you can do via a approved setup which LG hub is isnt cheating. Re keying making keys alternate things and seting up thing to do inputs is not "Cheating" already talked with some of the yellow names back when this game was still getting sued and had to be on Blacksmith launcher. Lmao. Its just like for apex u can keybind a single tap key for guns like the r301 flatline and hemi. Now if you talk about something like Chronos for recoil control yea

[graceful frost]

brother that is cheating lol. its macroing which isnt allowed. its like that for every game lol

[dark lynx]

Pros in apex streamers and streamers in this game macro good sir. Watch their hands u dont crouch jump with one button input

[graceful frost]

im sure man lol

in almost every game macroing is bannable lol.

I think saying bhopping is ez cause macro is a hilarious point.

recoil control in games is easy cause scripts. like what is that point.

[lilac dirge]

NERF FUCKING BARBARIAN SPEED FUCKIWFTGEHF({")OW(?#ES:AHBGTRFBo>ohi: YNWBYt:

[vestal cloud]

they never will

[tall mountain]

bro admitted to macro'ing has outplayed title. Sounds like the replay is more like Outmacro'd instead.

[brazen token]

If you're complaining about barbarians being too fast when they need to wear the lightest gear possible and every move speed bonus they can get to even have a chance of gap closing, you're legitimately bad at whatever you're playing. It's basically a melee only class

[glad minnow]

please please please please please please PLEASE DEAR GOD PLEASE fix the hitbox for warlocks shadow bolt, the ONLY form of range we have thats at all effective and you cant even shoot through a doorway. If you get into a distance match with a ranger, fighter, or bard you just simply lose. PLEASE give it a narrower hitbox

[undone mango]

Achilies Strike - Throwing Axe, don't forget about that :S

[brazen token]

I didn't. Those axes are easy to dodge, to the point that some players can do it just off of the audio while running. They're certainly not hurting very much either.

There are a ton of "suggestions" on here daily that basically say "melee classes shouldn't get to do melee against ranged classes when melee is the only realistic way they can kill ranged classes" and its ridiculous.

[ruby nimbus]

higher damage rolls would be nice

[bright sparrow]

they remover -join to create room- ? disgusting qeue...

[agile heart]

In-game Journal

• List of each mobs attacks
• Loot tables of each specific mob and lootables (chests, etc.)
• Maybe a bit of lore

Having to open a third party website with community updated data is extremely annoying and unreliable. It would be nice if we had the official loot tables for everything in-game. This is extremely easy to do, and could be done in 1-2 days (i'm a programmer and gamemaker hobbyist so i'd know)

[tall mountain]

another day another post for subclasses (NOT MULTICLASS) and brand feature for class identity (innate talent: Fighter: Weapon Master. Rogue: Traps & Locks. Barbarian: Berserker/Crush (one of these two). etc.) https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/570964/improve-upon-class-identity-and-diversity

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

[uncut rover]

crossbow might be a good 1 no class really mains them

[tall mountain]

crossbows don't really fit the barbarian aesthetic despite barbarians having all martial weapon prowess. im a bit surprised they don't get knives to throw or a perk for throwables in general since hurling things seems up their alley.
as mentioned earlier, a recurve bow seems more in line both as a ranged option and aesthetically it'd technically be their bow for hunting. (frankly survival bow needs to go.)

[ripe frigate]

dunno if it'd be a good idea to give bards a recurve but i wouldn't say no

[marble lotus]

Rogue active ability - shoe stopper: a makeshift sound machine box, that are a pair of boots attached to a wind up box to mimic foot steps to deceive your enemies for a short time

[static dove]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/571987/base-kit-high-roller-lobby-bracket
pls upvote for high roller base kit - something i think will fix the gear disparity

[hoary flint]

Get Rid of druids Chicken ability. ITS absolutely useless, like 5 health, when your a healer seems redundant. the animation is too long and the cancel to it is broken. waste of a skill and kinda feels like a lazy, (just thrown in there) ability. Your a healer so why add a shape that heals, and its like 5 health. Make it quicker or fix the cancel, gotten me killed when i only ever accidently use it. 5 second animation with a bugged cancel seems like a huge oversite. rat form ability is also broken, not showing the timer between using it

[ripe frigate]

you gotta spam that shit to make it work wym? lmao, i never managed to use that shit for its intended purpose

[fathom wyvern]

HOLY this is so frustrating, twice now in 4 runs ive spawned in HR on frost caves in a room with 2 archer and 1 melee kobolds and a 2 handed giant. the room is way too hard its just been - 500gold^ twice now because even though im being careful trying to clear the kobolds quickly the giant still aggros from super far away and then its just me running in circles unable to attack without getting hit until I die.
Cant even leave the small 25% of a room it spawns you blocked off in because of the 5 mobs and how tight it is 😦

[atomic reef]

Suggestion: Add an auto sort for stash

[placid shuttle]

youd need to post it in suggestion but i like the idea

[tropic frigate]

suggestion: get rid of requirement of gear score 225+ for high-roller

[brisk jetty]

Suggestion of making the infernal pledge make u take less damage to yourself from demon form and others. Also make it to where in demon form you can cast spells if you have spells slotted in the demon spell slots so you can only cast them in demon form

Could replace the 2nd memory slot and make demon form a little better and not completely broken would add more variety so say could run blow of corruption or phantomize as a perk then demon form as another and you can't use the 2nd perk while in demon form so balanced out.

[tall mountain]

so funny story; demon form attacks have a hard time hitting anything nibbling at your toes. the attacks could use some revisions alignment where the attacks are going.

[brisk jetty]

Then use a long sword.

[jovial pagoda]

They should make quests later in the game locked behind a gear score threashold, so that newer players aren't up against level 100's and up doing easy quests.

[tall mountain]

that's not the point i'm making. If my CLAWS can't RAKE the floor to hit something at my feet, it's a bit of an issue as it is to oh let me pull out my longsword to deal with the little ankle biter of a situation.
A brother wants to get dirty with it to rip and tear but when a little spider mummy causes more problems to be in the form (because i'm dumb and activated it by accident ) than out of it.
if nothing else, the attacks again need some work. Using a Longsword does not fix the inherent problem, it just brushes it under the already dirt mounded rug.

[kindred heath]

Fix the skull ap bug

[rotund orbit]

make it so that if you disconnect you cant take damage or pull aggro till you reconnect. i dont seem to have connection issues often but i always seem to have them when i run geared and its super annoying loosing an epic/legendary kit because you lost connection in front of a basic enemy

[tall mountain]

that's bad for a lot of reasons; namely people who can simulate disconnections to favorably cheat.

[junior spade]

Suggestion: get more tiers, 25 under, 25-100, 100-200, 200 and above

[dark leaf]

Can we get like a way to change our charachter name? Hell, even make it so we can buy it with tokens. I'll gladly spent IRL money on it if i need to.

[slender meadow]

I made a suggestion for more economy focused classes, granted it is true to its nature as a suggestion - I'm well aware of how busy the IM team is and that new classes are a bit of a ways off, especially with the inbound Sorcerer:

--

TL;DR: A cook or blacksmith-type class focused on gathering items only they can see and making items that scale with their level would be nice both for the economy and for those players who prefer to avoid the toxicity and competitive nature of PVP.

One of the greatest appeals of dungeon crawlers, besides fighting monsters, is finding better gear and harnessing your skills. But there's also a massive portion of RPG players who adore the slower, more laid-back nature of certain RPGs, think crafting and resource gathering of games like Runescape or EVE Online and how it affects their player-driven economies. A large problem D and D faces is its toxicity. I've seen many players turned off by how competitive the game is, even though they really enjoy the idea of fighting monsters and getting better and better both in gear and in skill. A class focused on PvE with supportive elements would be great for those players. They don't need to be terribly weak either, as seen with the Bard class.

--

As it stands, D and D does have something resembling a crafting system, though it's very bare-bones and extremely limited both in practicality and overall value, not to mention it's not very fun. Handing that system instead over to the players seems like an interesting idea to me. It would increase demand for things like ores, plants, and monster drops. If you've seen or heard of Delicious in Dungeon, you might already have a pretty good idea of why I find a cook specifically interesting. If you really want to get crazy with it, you could even add small minigames to it, and create player homes/shops where they fulfill player made orders for specific items in exchange for gold or items.

also the player homes could totally be used for saving Otto in light of the new matchmaking change, and maybe even adding other familars.

[hollow stratus]

would defo love some more tiers in HR

[jolly leaf]

Pushing this really cool suggestions about adding cool objective on the map -> https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem I made a comment a few week ago to extend this suggestions and add a way to introduce the Socket system we'll have next season in one of those in game objective. Have a look and Upvote if you like the Idea

[unique seal]

May we please adjust it so that the 5 second duration of the heal cut from Fire Mastery is accurate

[sharp orchid]

Anyone know what the skeleton gives you for the quests?

[errant sigil]

Yooo the fucking Druid does not need insta attack fucking panther and bear and the ability to cast spells and buffs and heals and fucking have complete control over the map with rat form and jumping through windows and casting pets and blocking doorways with walls and insane burst damage. It’s either caster or feral not both!!!!!

[midnight whale]

skill issue honestly, druid is the worst pvp class in the game.

[gritty thicket]

bro what did they do to the game in the last update the entire menu out side of the game is slow as hell and in the game i rubber band its getting to be un enjoyable

[warm stratus]

Please submit requests to have Dark and Darker added to Gefore Now Cloud Gaming pls and thank you. EDIT: NVM IT WAS APPEARENTLY ADDED A FEW DAYS AGO MUCH LOVE TO YOU DEVS

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

[tall mountain]

while an interesting idea, adding new items and professions is a danger all it's own as well as a new class while it has a functional Free-To-Play. At best we're going to get new things to interact with in order to acquire said materials. what should be happening is that if one were to harvest said materials, they should better utilize a skill related to it along with Resourcefulness acting as the secondary addition to completing it quicker. For example; mining is more of a back backing laborious task that should scale either with either Strength, Vigor, the lower between the two, or some Partial scaling Between the two + resourcefulness.
Crafting and Profession classes are best left to the NPCs. There is however the Craftsman class in 5e that could potentially be tailored to Dark and Darker and would make use of such fine, raw materials for making things IN the dungeon.
That being said, the other problem just pure crafter classes is the fact that people are insane enough to just have alt accounts just to have a class market manipulate or even dual/trio box to trade between your alts. It's best in this case to leave the gatherer/crafter classes to said MMOs and not dark and darker

on another note. Week 1 (day 7) of this original post. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/570964/improve-upon-class-identity-and-diversity . lemme know what ya'll think or discuss a bit on it later. leave me a PONG if you got a direct reply as my happy ass is going straight to Bed and Bedder.

[errant sigil]

Yeah I really hate subclasses in games. I don’t want to see all this subclass stuff that I’ll have to then learn. I like where they are going with it! Where you are one thing and nothing else. They plan to split a lot of classes into new classes and I’d much rather see this game have a wide variety of classes like D&D. Which has 13 total. I could get down with like 10-15 classes total that just shift based on expansions and community feedback. Also I’m more concerned with them implementing the lower levels to 100+. I think people want to experience more exploration with rest areas to resupply and sell. This will bring a massive wave of pve players and more funding for the game. We honestly could take a break on all classes considered and hit this note first. Then revisit everything else!

[slender meadow]

A fair point, but I disagree. While yes, I do think that there are some under-utilized aspects of the stat system, I feel that isn't related to the addition of PvE focused classes. Ultimately, the goal with more economy and exploration focused classes it to give less competitive players a way to enjoy the game, whilst flushing out the actual dungeon part of dark and darker.
To be clear, I don't mean just adding new collectibles, it would also entail an entirely new update to the functionality of the marketplace. The classes would need to have PvP viability, and that's not a very hard thing to add. They might not have any flashy abilities, but they can still use the same weapons, but are assisted with their own proficiencies. A cook's consumables would take 2 - 4 slots but would grant certain buffs at the cost of the resources they need to find to make them. So while on their own they're middling at best, their real strength comes in the form of granting supportive buffs to allies. Same thing for a blacksmith (though perhaps an enchanter would be better?); low base stats but good buffs to ally weapons at the cost of mob drops or ores in a match.
I fundamentally disagree that anything besides purchasing base items and completing quests should be left to NPCs. If IM wanted to have NPCs do most of the work they could leave the prices to NPCs as well, but them leaning towards player-driven economy would be better if they didn't stop halfway. There are many players who just don't have the time to constantly practice their PvP skills, or just hate how toxic the PvP is. While you could say "oh then this just isn't the game for them" I feel like that's a lazy point. Giving players a way to work together and build a stronger sense of community and respect for each other through doing business, without infringing on the competitive aspect and instead bolstering it can only be positive for the game's health.

And sure, there are likely kinks that need to be ironed out with it, but something like this isn't made in a day, unlike my half-assed suggestion to their website. Ultimately this is IMs game, I love where it's at and even should they decide against developing the community in that direction, I'm still very excited to see where they go with it, and will follow along the whole way.

[ripe turtle]

Ironmace, the Druid rat form is broken. To think you can just turn into rat all the time and just avoid combat the way you see fit is just nonsense. There has to be some sort of cooldown to not allow players to spam rat form.

[smoky ledge]

So i was curious about whats going on in the new high rollers.

Most of games i did, i get rushed by teamed up players.

So i went to investigate. I have bought cheapest epic weapons to fill my inventory with to fit into gs req, went into lobby and died at the beginning to be able to spectate.

In 8 out of 10 lobbies, it was the same. There were people that teamed up when first meet and they went after other players, kill them and strip of gear.

Why is this happening? Because of that gs requirement. 225gs requires some good pieces of gear so you are guarranteed loot piňata for anyone who kills you. So it encourages players to such behavior. They pick up 5k+ gold kits and go on player hunt. For newer players, its annoying, not fun to play and obnoxious.

This was a bad change, Ironmace. Please, get rid of it.

And no, "git gud" will not apply here.

[jolly leaf]

Imo teaming should be bannable even when "organic" if people do it to run on other player and PvP only. The only way it would be fine to me is if a team fight an other, a third one appear and two team, on the move, decide to team against one of the other, like it was not planned at all. And still even like that I'm not sure it won't be an issue. Imo teaming is ok (except pre teaming) as long as you don't PvP

[jolly leaf]

Yes imo even a short 3-4 sec cooldown between each transformation would be ok

[safe nexus]

I feel the economy right now if you are a new player is terrible, kits are super expensive and that means you only have one chance to go into HR and come back profitable, and if you were to die that means with the current HR requirements you dont get to go back into HR. Help me show ironmace to fix their economy https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/572463/fix-the-economy

[ripe turtle]

I wouldn't say ALL the transformations. That rat form is the problem. Nerfing too much Druid forms is gonna be underwhelming to play. I mean fine, let Ironmace give rats more escape routes. Regardless, the cooldown for rat form should suffice for balance.

OR let the action speed determine how fast Druid can transform. Now this is just a mere suggestion since I don't know how this would affect the overall Druid gameplay.

[static dove]

I think this suggestion fixes that problem instead. check it out. https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/571987/base-kit-high-roller-lobby-bracket

[static dove]

please see this as a remediation for this change.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/571987/base-kit-high-roller-lobby-bracket

[unkempt oriole]

slow hit base on strength attribute

[kindred heath]

Patch the skull token ap exploit. No reason people should be getting 1500+ ap in exemplar

[quartz summit]

What exploit ?

[pale dawn]

~Devs tone down the healing or give everyone anti-heal options it's a never ending chase until one runs out of heals

[kind cloud]

Please fix ladder climbing, too many times ive tried to climb a ladder and glitched out at the top and just bounced up and down. Very frustrating 😦

[nimble shadow]

For the love of fuck an official dark and darker forums. I hate trying to sit through some 40+ minute YouTube video for something I could read in three

[lyric needle]

picking up installed bear traps with ranger perk

[thick pebble]

there's no exploit, they are just worth a lot of AP.

[quartz summit]

Just wait until you get the weapon bug after climbing and your stuck swinging your crystal ball

[halcyon ocean]

Remove rogues tumble, replace with a roll. Rogue has been saved

[alpine plover]

Nerf Longsword, I really dont understand why yall made it so with a singular easy parry they can kill any class

[gloomy inlet]

Ice mastery is extremely obnoxious on the receiving end especially as a melee class as there really isn’t much counter to it besides something to block with or hoping the wizard misses but due to most maps having doorways and hallways that funnel you into one general area it’s almost a 99% guarantee a good wizard punishes that decision to be there with again with very little counter play, even peak faithfulness PALES in comparison to ice mastery and it’s extremely consistent slow with spell overload giving more charges and meditation giving said charges back significantly faster than holy strikes and judgement, literally go try running with two good wizards and watch as everyone you fight is unable to move consistently and often stand completely still due to the ice mastery firing squad, personally i feel it needs a internal cool down because at least with fireball ect spam you can still get close

[heavy magnet]

If you split them apart and have one skull in each slot they give unique 21AP points if you have them stacked up even if you have 9, it is only worth 21ap points. Not sure it is an exploit or a bug. Gold skeleton teeth act the same way. Candy canes did too on the Christmas event.

[crude hill]

I think Devs should commit to a proximity VoIP intended game, placing restrictions/disadvantages and look for benefits over using Discord. We have a small but solid proximity VoIP community already and i think the matches with VoIP interactions even if you don't want to be friendly are the best ones. Also i don't think me using VoIP should be a disadvantage because the rest of the lobby is talking with their teammates through Discord.

VoIP should be an other environmental sound. If you mute VoIP you should be muting all other players sounds effects, up to you 🤷 .

If people abuse VoIP by placing annoying sounds should be timed out/penalized from talking through it but not listening.

To deal with Discord usage you can't just ban your players from using it so there i think Devs should just make VoIP more attractive.

[signal knot]

do you want the game to die? forcing people to use voip WILL NOT end well. most people do not want to talk where everyone can hear them

what if you just want to play with some IRL friends in <25 to have fun and talk about recent event in your life. does everyone else need to hear that shit?

[crude hill]

#suggestion-discussion message

[signal knot]

we are discussing your suggestion tf you pinging. they also dont read these they have a website for suggestions(not 100 on that some of them could be reading these but send these in the website)

[crude hill]

Im not saying don't use discord, use it, but make VoIP more attractive. Also when i say "if you mute VoIP ..." im not talking about muting your mic but muting all VoIP setting.

[signal knot]

you just said to BAN people from using the discord

nvm sorry my are blind

[crude hill]

If they abuse it by playing annoying sound like any other gamechat.

[signal knot]

but it would still be hard to enforce i for one would not like having my voice recorded by the game all the time to deal with idiots

[crude hill]

You don't have to record all the time, you could record just when the game detects high decibels. Or not recording at all but add at least a reporting system where you can specify that this specific player is abusing VoIP.

[signal knot]

thats still an issue as if you get jumped by a, for example, rogue. you would reasonable scream and proc the system and as for the reports without any recording they cant take any action. bc how tf do you differentiate false reports from actual reports

[tough willow]

We’re a very very long way from a good voip system. Those changes would be dope, but they definitely have a lot on their plate right now to be messing around with chat

[crude hill]

there is a difference between a scream and a guy playing Monster Inc Earrip

[signal knot]

they can lower the db very easily and it will still be just as jarring and annoying

[crude hill]

Yeah annoying people will always be annoying but there you have the report system. Also i don't really know but i think annoying sound should be less annoying because of it being 3D proximity VoIP.

Also there is a noise canceling setting already i think so it should help with bad mics.

[signal knot]

i mean something they can do is just add the ability to send a vod with a report and you record it and send it

[crude hill]

nice one

And for dealing with things like accidental bans, that is why i said "should be timed out/penalized". When you have systems that are not 100% accurate you shouldn't ban until you are pretty sure.

[signal knot]

sure just not this

[crude hill]

why

[signal knot]

why do you want to penalize people who just want to pvp without anyone speaking to them. or people who dont want the talking to distract them, you just said why should you be penalized for not using discord and then just added something that would penalize not even the ones using discord just random people who dont want others speaking to them.

[crude hill]

I m not penalizing people that uses discord. Just people that disables VoIP.

[signal knot]

thats what i said why should they be penalized for not wanting to deal with others in VoIP. if im playing HR im disabling VoIP to focus, a feature in game should never stop someone from effectively completely playing the game

[trim imp]

Bring back the old high roller entrance fee and get rid of the minimum gear score or at least bring it down, I liked going in with base gear and then finding better gear to replace it which helped with ap gains

[crude hill]

I think is obvious that i m not being considerate with those persons that wants to hear nobody. I don't care about them because is the only way to encourage social gameplay. But even with that i proposed a fair trade, you don't want it? okay you wont hear any player sound. It make sense since VoIP is a player sound.

[signal knot]

thats not a fair trade you are just telling them to stop playing them game. a game that they might have paid money to support IM and play hr or have all the classes available at all times. you cant just kick them out because you are overzealous about VoIP

its like saying you like playing fighter and all the other classes should be deleted so people only play fighter

[crude hill]

of course i cant im not a dev, it is a suggestion after all

[signal knot]

its one that shouldnt even be said, thats how bad it is

[crude hill]

I think i m being more rational than that, if the devs also want to encourage social gameplay through VoIP you will annoy those players it is what it is. And i think most of the annoyed player would still play the game at the end.

[signal knot]

encouraging and forcing are 2 ENTIRELY different things. what you suggests essentially kicks of a part of the players out of the game, you just fixing a problem by creating a bigger one

[crude hill]

I don't think there is a less aggressive way to make your own game, one with a strong social component.

The bigger problem is people complaining in reddit/discord? People will always complain about something, look how we are now after listening all those players, we have more balance patches in a hotfix than between playtests (and less content updates).

[signal knot]

and you think giving people something that makes sense to complain against is a good idea? that change sounds good but it is not healthy for the game. as a player you should want MORE people to play the game rather than less. and you are suggesting to drive out existing and potential players for a minor improvement to the VoIP, there are other ways to make the social aspect of the game better and forcing VoIP upon poeple is not it.

[crude hill]

I really hope so because i know devs are so scared of players that they wont make polemic changes like mine or the removal of solo and duo queue even if the game they wanted and designed is trios only based. #dev-qna message

[signal knot]

for the devs to continue making content for the game they need money you are actively trying to stop them from developing the game with suggestions like these. no players/basically no players=no money= no more dark and darker.

[fallow scaffold]

voip should be on by default and i supose you should be allowed to turn it off but voip is integral to the dnd experience and tbh if your turning voip off just go play another game

[crude hill]

I don't think my suggestion would kill DaD, is a good long term decision. If the game dies will be because they cant differentiate themself enough from their competitors. Competitors with more money and more approachable to casual players like those who wants to play without VoIP.

[signal knot]

sure it might not. i might be overestimating how many people dont use VoIP but you might also be underestimating how much this could hurt the game. This is a risky move WAY too risky to be reasonable at any point in the games development, you just cant know how it will go. just look at what sony did for example with helldivers 2. they literally added something that would take 2 minutes for you to do and the game died bc it cut off ppl from enjoying the game. while this is not as severe as that it can have a similar effect.

[crude hill]

First is not death, second that wasn't the reason. The game is loosing players yes but players are in good term with the game and will come back whenever they release a update worth of coming back, or when players rest from killing 100.000.000.000.000.000 Bugs. Don't expect the initial release month numbers but definitely not death.

[dense sand]

suggestion: fix the anticheat

[errant sigil]

I vod all my games and if you got banned by my report it’s because you clearly are cheating. I caught a guy who literally wiped the whole map then went to just one mob before he ran to the other person to kill and on that mob was a green spell book. Which was a perfect upgrade right before he went to kill the other guys. That person was clearly cheating! I doubt they are making any ban mistakes they watch your live games all the time. They have copies of events and have people watching your games when you get flagged. It’s not so simple. The devs will watch your games.

[crude hill]

The topic of that message wasn't the cheating problem, but the privacy of your VoIP conversation. And there is a lot more context that i think you are missing.

Also i was talking in general game industry.

[errant sigil]

Ahh my bad! Yeah I tried to read up as much as I could but the walls of text kept coming and I got tired 😪

ADHD brain problems

[crude hill]

yeah not your fault i wouldn't read it without a Red Bull

[errant sigil]

😂 I will say I looked at a bit more and I love voip and wish they would ban discord and force into proximity only. It would add to the unique experience of the game

[mighty abyss]

I don't use VoIP in-game and I have no interest to. If you don't like it then tough noodles for you. Suggesting punishing players for not using VoIP in-game is ludicrous, lol

[errant sigil]

Meh it’s proximity! And like every other public place you would chat freely with regard to who might be around you. You’re playing a game and it’s part of the aspect of the game. By not participating with others because you want to self isolate you take away the experience from others who came to interact with other people because life can be lonely and games can be fun to play even with the random casual person who’s here to have fun too. Self isolation can come any other time of the day. Doesn’t need to be tea time while rummaging through loot.

[mighty abyss]

A real quality suggestion is to remove the 225 GS requirements for high roller and bring it back as a gold sink or like 175 GS.

[errant sigil]

Yeah anyone who doesn’t use the VoIP system is just anti social. It’s just not fun falling into a lobby with people who are just in their own worlds. I just head hunt those people off the start and take their loot. I’ve left more people alive because of VoIP and have had some funny/fun interactions with others who arnt teenagers on a hacking rage spree screaming racial slurs. But from that perspective I can see why you have it muted. But it’s not a punishment you can still call your friends over your phone. It just makes the game more like a reality experience where you are actually in a dungeon where people can hear you talking. I enjoy immersion maybe you don’t as much. All good!

[crude hill]

wow, you care less about non social players than me

[errant sigil]

🤣😂

[signal knot]

the problem is punishing people for turning it off. why do i have to not hear ANY other players actions just because i dont want them distracting me on VoIP when im playing HR

[daring trail]

we're talking about a gamer demographic... 90% of them are anti-social, lets live in reality boys

[errant sigil]

🤣😂🤣

[crude hill]

What do you suggest for making the VoIP core of the game then?

[signal knot]

that wouldnt fix it

[errant sigil]

Look I used to play hardcore with full on rage metal blasting through my mic using stereo mixing. As I literally would scorched earth every room with my barbarian smashing through every door causing complete chaos. I completely agree VoIP hands down can be abused. I eventually realized it wasn’t fun for others after like the 6ths time. So I stopped 🤪! But I also got banned for it 🤣😂

[signal knot]

listening to music and listening to someone spam slurs into their mics are 2 entirely different things

[crude hill]

yeah, i think listening music is much worst

slurs can be annoying only if they are loud.

[signal knot]

slurs are always annoying especially when you have someone chasing you calling you fa- or Ni- literally happened on my first trios game

[limber dew]

Please nurf wizard and ranged damage, it’s so not fun playing when your getting just merked from across the map, as a mele player, it’s impossible to even get in on them or run away by the time they start shooting

[fallow scaffold]

build agility get a shield and play cover but yeah range needs to be tuned a bit more

[limber dew]

I play barb with two handed weapons every fight recently has been against ranged teams , never mele lmao if I’m in a hallway I’m screwed

Or in an open space lmao there’s legit no winning unless I’m camping the door way but that doesn’t even work either, and I can’t do stealth so like wtf lmao

[fallow scaffold]

i always run a shield secondary and if i need the ms i drop it

[limber dew]

Yea but for 124 or under lobbies it’s tough

[fallow scaffold]

you can squire a shield

[limber dew]

word yeah I guess I’ll try that

Thanks b @fallow scaffold

[dense sand]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/572612/fix-the-anticheat

[fallow scaffold]

it doesn't help a lot but sometimes its clutch

[fallow scaffold]

ngl i have't seen a cheater since the china insident

[dense sand]

play US west hr as a rogue and just sit stealthed somewhere thats not a POI

[fallow scaffold]

humm wierd us west is all i play

[dense sand]

high roller?

[fallow scaffold]

yeah though only to get pathfinder so maybe im just lucky

[dense sand]

i dmed you because my response was being censored since IM doesnt want people talking about how bad this problem is

[wet schooner]

Dude what are these fucking spawn points. I just got spawned 5 feet away from a barbarian. What the actual fuck.

[brisk jetty]

I put a suggestion for warlock on the suggestion page if interested please upvote. Basically saying infernal pledge should make it to where the demon damage you take while in demon form gets reduced by the 25%. Also making it to where you could cast spells in demon form only if you had spells equipped under the demons spell ability's so say u had the spells on the demon and not out of the demon you couldn't use them. So then they could get rid of the 2nd memory slot under warlock and change up some builds to where could do demon plate with like phantomize as a 2nd or boc could also keep it to where it can use dark bolt with nothing equipt and ect.

[chilly junco]

You guys should add a statue/ totem in the boss room in hell. Then have 2 skulls (Skelton warlord and lych) and the ghost king crown in the middle of the room. depending on which one you place on the statue/ totem it will summon that specific boss. Having a random chance at fighting the boss you need for a specific quest or item is just tedious, I think this would benefit players. @Graysun @sdf

[worn lava]

they should tune down the brightness of spells and the flicker of light and the splash brightness like magic missile when someone is right up against your face your shooting them that splash brightness the flickering of purple color going right into your face sometimes they can make a direction you cant even see

[wraith thorn]

hear me out now. lantern shield on cleric.

[slow arch]

10 spell wheel for druid and give more dmg spells

[brisk jetty]

Bounty system where you see an essence of your targets soul you kill them and extract it for a bounty system. If solo you see one person if duo your team member sees the teammate of your bounty. If they die the essence dissappear but you can still have a chance of finding the body.

[lapis saffron]

can we please get the pipe smoking rest emote that made its debut in the dev youtube video titled "a jolly jaunt in hell"

[lucid aurora]

• Please do something about mobs blocking. Dying stuck in the air because of spider mummys and the likes is not realistic and not fun. Maybe the purpose is to make the game more difficult but I'm not sure this is important. Out of the many solutions possible, I thought maybe add a skill for every class that on use make you push monsters for a few seconds, could be implemented with kind of push animation and if you want a downside on the use of the skill you can make so that the character cannot do or use anything with the buff on.

• Sorry probably already discussed feature, make a "common buy" feature, prob through the squire. You set up the potions, bandages, campfire kit and everything you want in the amount you want and you can buy what you set up in one click. Technically, the squire goes to the merchants for you.

[lucid aurora]

• Add music for bard, I am thinking especially about a music that lights the surroundings especially since the bard have so much utility items (instruments) they cannot afford to have a torch in this slot. Maybe that can be solved if the torch is in a specific slot ? That might have been already discussed.
  Maybe add some features or spells that are typical of bards in trpg such as dungeons and dragons.
  -- And also more music that can be used in combat, in solos and with low gear (mem cap) . Right now the most viable are Lament of Languor and Shriek of Weakness in my opinion. Maybe adjusting Piercing Schrill to be able to use while kiting a little (not for 1km), lowering playing (casting) time and of course nerfing damage.
  -- Adjust "peacemaking" so that monsters are totally at peace and return to their origin positions and make that this effect is effective when the song is played (hence once)

[tough willow]

Come on guys, really. This suggestion form has been up here for ages, when has ONE time they’ve actually answered any of these

[jagged flicker]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/572667/druid-shapeshift-mastery-should-have-a-cd Druid instant transformation should have a CD. (upvote if u incline)

[low condor]

peacemaking is probably one of the worst songs and I also think it needs some work, it affects your team and the enemy, it doesn't last enough to even let you go to a safe place and it takes a lot of time to play it

If you are surrounded, you will not have time to play it, and if you manage to play it, it doesn't last enough to even let you escape, also, once those couple secs of the song end, all the monsters (and players) are still around you so you are gonna die once it finishes

Even worse, other players will be able to use healing potions or other things even if they cant fight, but you aren't able to even open a door or run since you are stuck in walking/playing

I think a proper rework could be than once the song is finished it applies the effect of pace to all entities on range (including the bard itself) but it no longer needs the bard to keep playing it, this way the bard also cant fight but it can use potions, open/close doors, etc.

[dense sand]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/572612/fix-the-anticheat plz read and upvote ❤️

[jolly leaf]

I don't think it's an issue than can be fixed that easily or that they want/can fix. Anticheat are very expensive and/or intrusive (like Riot anticheat who is said to be effectiv but is deeply link to your computer and access too much stuff). Imo that's why they chose to deal with via reporting and banning instead and that can work too, especially since they announced to add a system like Counter Strike where player can judge suspicious player to ban them.

Unfortunately no game ever really found the solution to cheater and farmer, and for a small studio like IM it would probably be too expensive. Imo they're dealing with cheater the right way and are about to add new tool to deal with it, the new matchmaking system that remove the pre lobby will also remove the inspection phase, I don't know how ESP work but that will hopefully make it harder for them to spot the team with good stuff. And this player judging system will help a lot in banning cheater more efficiently (we can imagine that if you use that system and that your judgement have lead to a high enough number of legit ban then you can get blue or red shard every season)

[dense sand]

they have anti cheat and you can turn it off

im not saying they need a perfect anti cheat, im saying youve been able to deactivate the anti cheat and continue to play the game for a year now

so the anti cheat they did design that actively scans your drive as you play is completely useless because anyone who wants to do something malicious can turn it off

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

[jagged flicker]

❤️ This.

This channel is for discussing the Upvote section. I PERSONALLY got alot of votes on Kris on warlock ages ago so you can thank me for that blight on your lives. ❤️

[tiny wigeon]

This is incredible rude, to be tagging the devs directly … your idea isn’t special, follow the same protocol as everyone else.

[jagged flicker]

Also please consider upvoting this proposed nerf to INSTANT transforming on druid getting cooldowns for each form or cooldown in general.

It's a very powerful tool but I feel like infinite uses at instant speed is crept and should be reigned in.

[tiny wigeon]

I agree that something needs to be done about rat form

I think the other forms are fine. But being that fast, while very hard to hit, and losing mob aggro is too strong in a PvPvE game

[jagged flicker]

A friend said if it were a FAT rat it'd be less annoying.

Make it bigger, and increase it's poison DoT.

[slow arch]

10 spell wheel druid with more dmg spells plz not a fan of the animal forms

[ripe frigate]

You need to add that to #d-and-d-suggestions on that forum. So we can vote for it bro

[dense sand]

chickenform hit box is busted

[acoustic forge]

Can the devs make changes to the Ice Abyss map? I spawned in the inverted pyramid room, which is low on light, and began to back up from a skeleton running to me when I fell into a tiny square hole in a corner that was just a bottomless pit resulting in instant death-as well as no gear retrieval from the goblin merchant.

This seemed very unfair as instant death aspects are usually obvious like in the normal first map where certain modules clearly present the large open drops as being dangerous and in a way that would not make your death feel undeserved if you managed to fall into it.

[dense sand]

"An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure."

lets not start making this game something that it isnt

[acoustic forge]

Calm down, there's a difference between "unforgiving hardcore" and poor design

[dense sand]

I'm calm, I think you're upset and need to learn the map instead of having them change it for you.

[daring trail]

This happens to everyone their first time in that module- its a part of the game. i understand youre upset by it- i was fairly upset when i died to that too.. but its not poor design lol, you simply walked off the edge of the map.

bet you learned and wont do it again

[viral moat]

If only devs could add device that emits some light

[dense sand]

lol

[forest storm]

Will say, being able to solo queue into all maps is cool but I kinda wish I didn't have to wait 6 minutes just so I can go back into goblin caves for quests

[sinful hedge]

I just started trying solo HR and don't want to bring in bis of the bis gear since i'm trash at solo pvp, and I get queued with demigods and other higher ranks that simply gear dif me no matter what. They should make the game have ppl queueing into lobbies only 2 or 3 higher ranks than them. Or they should set another gear score limit for HR, norms has 0-25-125 why shouldnt HR have something like that. I think that would have fixed the ratting situation or whatever else they wanted to do even better but maybe that's just me

[sinful hedge]

And if there is a GS bracket they should change it a little lol

[woven oxide]

When you're searching for items in the market, make it so you can search by key words ---EX: boots won't pull up all boots. It only searches in the order it's typed.

Update -- whoops --- it apparently does search by key word... Was just having trouble with "Frostlight boots" not pulling up any boots

[woven oxide]

please 😄

[median mural]

Update Squire in the following ways:

1. Sort all items by slot automatically. All chest items should be together as an example
2. Add Lantern and Pickaxe to Squire
3. Make Bandage and Potion of Healing be stacks of 3 instead of 2

Upvote to bring attention to this!
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/572926/squire-update

[brisk jetty]

They do stack in 3s

[wraith thorn]

not in squire

you only get 2 of each. i think thats what leorium meant

[median mural]

yup, squire gives max 2

[sullen hull]

need better ways of selling items. a lot of the time the reason for me not starting up another session is because i know if i get anyone's gear, ill have to sit in the market for like half an hour or more afterwards to list

[errant sigil]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/572966/jump-squash-spiders

Spiders die if you jump
On them vote!

[dense sand]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/572612/fix-the-anticheat

[silver carbon]

question what does the frost wyvern egg do

[zenith nest]

Hey guys does anyone knows why rogue is so trash and useless class with no damage, no utility, no sustain/survivability, and can be outspeeded by Achilles copperlight barbs ?

[cobalt beacon]

pls remove the whispers from randoms its so annoying

[tiny wigeon]

Just ignore the whispers? Man , I’m surprised you guys don’t suggest ironmace to come wipe your ass when you are done.

[cobalt beacon]

they pop up in game and its annoying af

[tepid parcel]

Im sure there has been an arena mode suggestion or possible tournament style gameplay discussed. That would be my suggestion. An avenue for direct team fights in a competitive arena could attract another group of players and open up tournament opportunities for events/fundraisers. Gear score dependent arenas could help balance things competitively like the current dungeon GS restrictions.

[tiny wigeon]

Okay, but doesn’t every game have some annoying parts to it ? While you might not like it, maybe others due. It’s a simple thing to ignore on your end, and instead you want them to remove it completely. Insane that you think the game needs to adjust to your feelings

[cobalt beacon]

no, can be simple, just an option, Allow whisper from- Everyone - Friends and problem solved, you just being rude, its a simple change but you r just rage blind idk

[tiny wigeon]

Or, hear me out.
You ignore the whispers you receive, cause ultimately it’s from a random stranger , so who cares ? Don’t let some random person make you feel bad , be stronger mentally

[cobalt beacon]

Or, hear me out.
An option that doesnt allow stranger ppl to interact with you like the group invitations, but that already exist so why dont implement it? maybe you dont get it bc you like to whisper strangers maybe its thatso gg gl

[upbeat sapphire]

Pretty sure you can choose who can whisper you in the settings? Friends only, anyone and some third option. Or is that just for group invites?

[cobalt beacon]

damn you r right i didnt know it 💀

[upbeat sapphire]

I guess it's easily overlooked 😅

[dense sand]

It's because the devs generally only make number value changes to classes instead of slight mechanic changes to perks or abilities, this is what is causing the constant yo-yoing of some classes being too strong or too weak.

Prime example of this is Wizard; they keep bumping up its damage then nerfing it into oblivion, the reason this happens is they are only changing the damage numbers not how his spells work, if you up Magic Missiles base damage they should maybe consider lowering the amount of projectiles. But this isn't how they've been approaching balance changes.

[clear compass]

So when is HR going to be changed back? No one likes the change

[tribal belfry]

Let me change the color of my crosshair please

[vagrant jewel]

People abuse it and message other teams of the locations of juiced people they got rolled by

[feral obsidian]

Please don’t make big changes to the game mid season. It changes the experience and level of difficulty of grinding demigod. Everyone should have the same chance at getting demigod. Please wait until after leaderboard ends 🙏🏼

[slow arch]

great idea

[slow arch]

i agree

[dense sand]

naw its ea testing dude, expect changes

[uncut pivot]

whats the best armored unit? ive been using elite tanks with commander stacked with spec forces and 1 ng unit to capture. what do you think could be better? i use 3 elites 1 commander 2 sams 3 specs 1 ng

[hardy vector]

remove ranger traps

[winged zenith]

Is anyone else having a match connection issue at the start of EVERY run? I get a lobby and load into the pregame room. Then when loading into the actual match I get disconnected or something in the load screen. The game asked, "would you like to reconnect to the game? If you don't all of your stuff will be lost." I'm just waiting for this to get me killed. Plus having a slow start can really hurt, especially when playing with friends

[shy sorrel]

Can yall add a LFG usw and use seperate?

[median mural]

Ok, this fire animation on Cave Troll when he's burning has to be reduced. It's wayyy too much

[slow arch]

^

[fathom wyvern]

Remove rat window jumping it doesnt add any fun to the game imo
Or add a cooldown because spamming it 20 times in a row is wild

[amber girder]

Add EasyAnticheat or BattlEye.

[dense sand]

they have anti cheat but its been circumvented and is in need of updates, EAC is the same as no anti cheat and BattlEye is actually a great idea, if they can afford it

[amber girder]

Saying EAC is the same as no anticheat isnt true. EAC uses a kernel module to prevent memory access & edit to the game process (which will require a signed kernel driver from cheaters side to actually make a working cheat). Its something, for sure better than nothing, considering is 100% free.

[dense sand]

I'm not going to link it, but EAC is compromised, theres a site that sells cheats that updates live within minutes of any EAC patch. It's one of the most notorious cheatmakers.

idk how they do it but they seem to have a solution ready to go for each patch, they then put a greenlight on their website next to the game after the EAC hack has been confirmed working

BattlEye is much better imo

but EAC is worthless, you can go check and look at all the EAC games and find free or paid cheats that are operational

[amber girder]

It sounds kinda strange, i guess they are using some kind of exploit (which if is the case its probably going to get patched soon). Otherwise they are may using different paid kernel driver signature (~500$ each) (which is believable since you said " It's one of the most notorious cheatmakers"). Anyways considering Dark And Darker isnt a super-famous game i doubt someone will pay hundred of thousands of dollars just to buy kernel signature for DnD..

[amber girder]

Yeah BattlEye is probably better tho, will see if they will buy

[dense sand]

this has been going on for years, EAC isn't going to stop or slow these guys any time soon

idk how they do it, if they have an inside person at EAC or something

[limber dew]

I think they should also have different gear score ranges for HR, so the super juicers can actually be together

[proven finch]

I second this as a Super Juicer ^

[dense sand]

esp with how many teamers there are in solos and duos

[winged zenith]

Is anyone else having a match connection issue at the start of EVERY run? I get a lobby and load into the pregame room. Then when loading into the actual match I get disconnected or something in the load screen. The game asked, "would you like to reconnect to the game? If you don't all of your stuff will be lost." I'm just waiting for this to get me killed. Plus having a slow start can really hurt, especially when playing with friends

[proven finch]

Been getting teamed all day sad that even if I send video proof to IM they still do nothing Lmfao

[woeful raptor]

They should add some "betrayal multiplier" that increases the longer you hang out near someone who isn't on your team/in solos, maybe increasing especially if you attack other players with the help of that player. The higher it gets, the more damage you deal on the first hit of a ranged or melee attack against said player. Basically discincentivizing teaming by making it easier to quickly kill someone you're teaming with, either accidentally or intentionally.

Though it should track if you're doing things like healing, debuffing, or shooting near/swinging near that player's hitbox.

[alpine plover]

Make the map timers before switch longer, three minutes is nothing. I hate going into a map i want to do, dying and then having to wait 9 more minutes again before getting to do that map

[proven finch]

So whens the Wizzy nerf coming?

[agile stirrup]

you can turn them off

[dense sand]

its killing the game slowly

[proven finch]

That and Warlock Mains

[dense sand]

the best part is if you go to reddit its collection of people bitching about pvp lol and talking about people who won't team like they are the scum of the earth

[proven finch]

That's wild lmfao gotta be all the timmy's who can't get their own gear

[unique seal]

Perhaps may we request a boost of Quarterstaff's block resistance up to 4 from 3

[opal marten]

they removed the ability to do "one life"/permadeath runs with the "cannot delete character until after 24 hours" restriction. can they please add official permadeath character support 😦

[zenith nest]

REPORT: smallppE is a cheater with crash game on interact cheat just in case if devs give a f about their game since I have no access to "report channel" (cringe)

SUGGESTION: Make a working report system out the match...

fk this seems no high roller on holidays a bunch of cheaters devs can't do anything with this because I have been facing that cheat before

[midnight whale]

stop trees from attacking unopened mimics... 2 tree charges and we cant even use them because our trees stand there and swing at chests.

[pale dawn]

this is awful indeed

[pale dawn]

there are so many things like this to fix, i just wish i knew for once why it's going the way it is with almost every game that comes out lately. cycle frontier for example had the same issue (excluding the cheaters which are a problem in every game), the quality of the gameplay is barely improved and with new content which had all the focus on brought the quality down even more...quality needs to be up there in the priority list

[cerulean pollen]

Quarterstaff is so close to being a really balanced weapon. Buffing it’s block resist would put it in a perfect spot I think

[rain rune]

garage sale option, let players auction off an entire site of their inventory to the highest bidder, the pros are, people that value their time and rake in tons of loot are able to clear their stuff quickly for gold at a discount and people whom arent so fortunate are able to flip these items and turn a profit

[slender niche]

agreed

i think it would put it in a really good spot for monk's release too

[amber girder]

Add option to change character name please (even paid its ok)

[quartz summit]

A "looters bag/Knapsack" something to extend the inventory in dungeon but reduces move speed and maybe something else to not make it crazy op or even give it some stats depending on rarity but inventory extension stays static and itd be in the cape slot ofc

[sturdy forge]

a game mode where theres one god tiered item at the deepest parts of the dungeon and theres 12 players have to race to get it

[pure flume]

I proposed on the website a new mob and boss mob for new upcoming ruins. Poisonous Frog and Giant Poisonous Frog, if somebody finds it interesting a vote up would be appreciated 🙏🏻❤️

[snow dirge]

for the love of god give wildshape a cooldown when swapping between animals

[lethal drift]

no

[chilly junco]

ye i did

[chilly junco]

Title is "improving bosses" if you wanna read and upvote it.

[stiff pike]

revert 200 gold and 225 gearscore change, first game on ice cave 2 all purple fighters and 1 bard statchecked us 🗿, at least let me bring bad gear so they dont get happy after spamming left clicks on my general area and miss 20 times, but still kill me

[wraith galleon]

Game is unplayable with hackers at this time. will be playing other games and hope it gets taken care off. or else will be another tarkov that will die

[hearty solstice]

It would be nice if Quest progress was account wide.

[slow arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn1oqMXG4e8

[crimson widget]

All down portals result in a non hostile lobby with all players able to interact. Thoughts?

[rotund orbit]

make it so we can run high roller by admission fee and not gear score

[slow arch]

pls

[hollow stratus]

wildshape to use bear missile 3000 and other animal forms is the only thing druid has going for it, quite literally. They used to be solid in a few areas, not amazing, or perfect but decent enough, and after the hard nerf thats all they have. Youd kill the class if they did that. Learn them counters, how to move and make them reset and when to get em as theyre a chicken, etc.

[snow dirge]

It needs a full overhaul ill give you that but fighting against someone who is either the tankiest or so agile that its nearly impossible to hit them isnt fun to play against

[hollow stratus]

oh lord tell me about it! I cant say I enjoy having to chain animals to be efficient , so many druids make it look so good and easy. I just wanna summon, heal and bonk for my friends - not run the gauntlet each time I get in to combat xD

[snow dirge]

Id say personally buff the forms but make it so theres a cooldown to change the animal, so if you chose a bear you have to wait a good 30 sec before chosing something else (other than human)

[hollow stratus]

I dont think thatd be such a bad idea, but theyd probably have to do a fat overhaul, especially on the perks since it has that instantaneous one. Maybe it could still change instantaneously on cool down though 🤔

[snow dirge]

Cd time can be diff based on animal

[hollow stratus]

sometimes its so hard and frustrating trying to bear missile and you cant change forms because your toenail hits a cobblestone 🥲

[snow dirge]

So like rat or chicken can shift around so you could still do a bear missle but cant immediatly go back to chicken or rat

Bc i fought a dude who in our fight changed between chicken rat and bear like 4 times

[hollow stratus]

yeup, they gotta change forms so quickly to keep hitting and dodging . I miss the old druid so much lol. I felt like it was pretty viable as a human, and Im sure it is still for some folks, dudes be hella skilled out there

[snow dirge]

Like i enjoy the tech of bear missile (or at least the idea of it) i just dont think wildshape should be the answer to everything

[hollow stratus]

🙏 preach

[snow dirge]

Also straight up druid without wildshape would be stronger than rogue was for a long time

Shoutout to when they gutted wpa

[upper karma]

has healing teamates via potion and bandage come up in discussion before?

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/573606/how-to-fix-the-move-speed-meta

[jolly leaf]

Why not, not sure everything is a good idea but they need to try things to change how powerful speed is

[mortal kestrel]

Is it possible to implement some invisible flying targets to fool aimbot?

[jovial swan]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/573619/new-magic-weapon-sacrificial-dagger

[slender niche]

it would catch some, but cheat developers would find a way to ignore it quickly

[mortal kestrel]

I was thinking that it could be like player objects so it can't be detectible similar to plane flares, but i'm no expert.

[slender niche]

if it has any distinguishable features from a real player (ie invisible) it will be detectable by cheats- if it is indistinguishable from a real player then players will get confused when they see ghost players in their vision

[mortal kestrel]

I persume that aimbot doesen't use visual, but coded tags of objects like player, enemy pve etc.

[worldly fern]

It would never be used as a casting tool the same way crystal sword is never used as a casting tool.
How fast are the swings? because if it deals more damage and is faster than the kriss dagger every demonlock will use it and demonlock will get nerfed again. (at if it is slower and its moveset worse nobody will use it as demonlock)

[slender niche]

it may not at present, which is why i said it would catch some, but cheat developers would recognize this and patch it out, rendering the method useless to any cheats that are updated for it

this could work sort-of if IRONMACE created methods like this rapidly to fool and detect cheats faster than cheaters could put out new cheats, but the worry then is that eventually they run out of tricks and all of them would be patched and accounted for in the cheat software

[mortal kestrel]

I guess you are right,

[lament sequoia]

fix block for pavise 😦 also nerf rage .... 10% movespeed is alot ... crazy

[strange plank]

Bring back Evil Eye spell please god i miss it so much please i beg you bringi tjm =back

[strange plank]

i agree add Evil EYe

[strange plank]

what is evil eye?

[strange plank]

it was like a remote controlled airplane spell

[lunar glen]

Hand xbow desperately needs a rework, at least if used as a single weapon. Low damage, ms penalty and long reload speed doesnt make sense.

[glacial sphinx]

it does cause rogues can use it

[midnight whale]

Add regional restrictions

[lunar glen]

Exactly why it doesn't make sense

[lavish spire]

Please stop the collision with spider mummies I am soooooooooooooo sick and tired of being flung into the air and held stuck in time and space because a f king 2 foot creepy crawly brushed my boot I am sick of it

I just lost a lot of valuable loot because of a spider pot and a narrow door way, like I can't step over something that's not even 3 feet tall. Jfc.

Makes me want to stop playing the game, between this and rubberbanding lag spikes, the amount of times I've died to what should be an avoidable scenario is outrageous.

That and the push attack for skeletons with bows is both dumb in theory and broken animation wise.

Why is being pushed with a bow hurting me? Why is a bow shove doing that much damage? Why is the bow shove hitting me when I'm 180° off to the side?

[hard fjord]

Man you should try a shield but also devs don’t look at this channel

[past widget]

Please change it so once you log off then log back on the last game type like solo duo trio is reset to picking. Im so tired of playing with a buddy or two then logging on to do solo and am in wrong lobby cause it saves last choice for whatever reason.

[true oxide]

you can look down and crouch to avaoid the bowman's melee attack

[midnight whale]

give druid literally anything to recharge his spells faster, wizard had meditate and it was buffed because no one wants to sit on the ground half the game. Give him rangers campfire mastery or something, they dont use it.

[vestal cloud]

nerf barbs damage

[dense sand]

no

[midnight whale]

waaaa

[clever plank]

PLEASE CHANGE GR LVL FOR HIGH ROLLER 😦

[inland raft]

I'm repeating myself, but please remove any magic related stats on the stiletto! They're completely trash 80% of the time!

[bitter spire]

I feel like updating weaposn to have realistic combat properties would be pretty neat. It's a shame how unrealistic and ignored a lot of the weapons are.

[inland raft]

They once spoke of removing some of the bonus stats and such but the rest is what's left of balancing

[sharp vault]

The move speed meta SUCKS please change your game drastically!

[slow arch]

^pls barb and fighter have no counterplay in <25gc

[sharp vault]

this game sucks compared to how it used to be. gear is insanely OP and found EVERYWHERE and everyone moves at the speed of light

power creep took over a year after launch congrats

[vestal cloud]

there needs to be a cooldown or something for taking armor off its so dumb how people can just take there armor off and chase with not really any penalty

[lime frost]

Can we get an escape event where players spawn in the hell varients of maps and try to make their way out?

[tacit oriole]

Wish shields were more consistent. Once you notice the shield desync you can never get that feeing away again

[tacit oriole]

You are hitting the crack pipe m8. Plus all ruled this game for too long

[sharp vault]

No comment lol have fun

[thin token]

I wish i can use my phone access my stash to sell items on the Trade market.
it would be so convenient to do it especially cuz im not home most of the time and i have many backlogs to sell items 😔😭

[patent quail]

A Comprehensive Suggestion On How To Make Stable Currencies On Extraction Based Games by DSLR.
Can someone give some opinnions about the suggestion I made in the website?

[hazy sphinx]

Common rings with no substats

[zealous thorn]

Do they plan on fixing the micro stuttering?

[pastel onyx]

ban all rogue

[woven dove]

That'd like asking if they plan on removing cheaters or just seeing em and leaving them there

[stuck warren]

Limit one wizard per team. thanks for reading 😄

[native flax]

Hello, I don't like the idea of removing the lobby, maybe just the inspect option would be fine

[void crag]

Monk ETA?

[jolly leaf]

No date at all at least 5-6 month from now i'll say. Sorcerer will be released in an early stage in a month, they'll probably keep improving it before starting the Monk. Also there is a chance that they choose to focus other stuff than adding another class after Sorcerer release.

[jolly leaf]

They plan to add another social space, a "Gathering hall" like the pre lobby was and even better. Where you can talk to other player, test your gear fighting your friend (maybe even other player in the Hall) safely without losing your gear etc

[jolly leaf]

Rogue need a rework. The ambush like build is not healthy for the game, it's either too strong and it's not fun for everyone "fighting" a rogue (most of the tile he just one shot you from out of nowhere) or it is too weak and rogue become useless as Landmine is the only way to play him. He need a new play style and imo that suggestions would be awesome : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/563627/rogue-rework-suggestion-master-of-poisons Read the comment too and don't forget to Upvote if you like the idea

[tardy shell]

okay so bit of a question where can i even use golden key now ? seems like the HR crypt cannot be unlock by it anymore

[jolly leaf]

The Iron door around bottom right corner of Crypt 1 should still need a key like it used too

[tardy shell]

I was there like last game and with golden key in hand it didnt let me open it

I dont know if its bug or if they changed it back to rusty key ...

[brave wigeon]

Please increase the Ghost king crown drops. 5% chance to drop on a boss that feels like has a less than 20% chance to be in the dungeon after waiting 12-13 minutes to go in. Been trying for a crown for a week now with my duo partner. over 30 kills on Ghost King and no drops. Thats so much time for a simple task item that wont even benefit gameplay.

[elder sigil]

Kinesthesia needs to make it so its a move speed bonus even when the bow isnt drawn, worthless perk

[unkempt saffron]

on Queueing at "less than a minute" can we have a extra popup, IF map switches in the time beween hitting "START" and confirming the default popup. - currently it puts you into next map on rotation and you cant cancel out anymore, since you technically confirmed, although you meant to confirm the previous map

[fringe mortar]

Hi! here are some ideas to add to the game:

• have new "bigger" passive skills for all classes that takes 2 or even 4 skill slots. Currently we have 4 slots for passive skills, it would be cool if we could sacrifice some slots to get 2 or 1 powerful passive skill. This would add more diversity in classes builds.

• Add more skills to move the target's position for other classes other than fighter or ranger ( shield slam or Forceful shot). Maybe a wizard spell that relocates a target to a given position or a magical throwable knife for rogue or a "leaf tunnel" for druid, and so on.

[raw sluice]

Then don't do it?

[muted crag]

Hey all quick question, how does bringing in gear stop someone from being a vulture in HR?

[round wasp]

Make lobby emote clutter stay. It feels wrong seeing the cake shrink down and disappear into nothing.

[zenith nest]

1 shot you mean 3 tapping in head if opponents are no bots and leans away from headshots?

If not barb or stacked fighters/clerics. For them it’s like 7-10 hits

SDF said he doesn’t like the idea of rework 😄

[covert flume]

Teamers are shit. Is there some live place on here to post em when they are active? The report button literally always says they have already been reported but they are obviously always still active so is that even useful?

[slow arch]

fix ms meta

[jolly leaf]

Well yeah when I say 1 shot it's more like kill you before you can react or hit him more than once. And of course rogue have to hit a barb or fighter 7-10 time, they're not supposed to fight or kill them. The game is a rock paper scissor, Rogue are not supposed to kill every other class easily, Tank are the rogue counter
But if a rogue figthing a wizard, ranger, other rogue, bard or even warlock if he have Cut throat and ambush them well then the fight is free for the rogue most of the time

[jolly leaf]

#in-game-reports with a clip it's better

[remote shuttle]

Please for the love of christ ironmace, fix skeleton axeman hitbox. I have an easier time parrying the skeleton warlord

[tawdry rapids]

Rework crypts map so 95% of fights are not based on each teams holdings doors
Make more possibility to flank or to go from 1 module to another (so the triple range holding rooms meta is gone)

Fix low gears rangers placing 15 traps at blues and not moving for the entire game (maybe 2 traps max simultaneous per team)

Remove turbo sitting places like top of library

Fix teaming, everytime we play with frostlight / named everyone is teaming on us

Give more possibility to stack magic resistance to bards (just a bit)

Make bard a real support, give it more defensiv songs no its not anymore a better version of rogues

Buff barb primary weapon, they have no good option atm and this is the main reason the class in actually bad in trio high roller at rly high lvl (except famine but this weapon deserv a nerf, it's game breaking atm)

Nerf Wizards dmgs and/or antiheal, as a wizard main the class is legit broken atm in solo/duos/trios

Make hydra a 10sec cooldown but buff warlock burst a little bit

Rework rogues, u mad this class so bad, every goods players now have the awarness to not get ambushed so it's only rats now

Rework AP system to be PVP focused, maybe make ap gain equal to the gearscore of the ppl u kill and NERF TO THE GROUD ap gained from pve / farming

Rework pieces like bear pendant, wind locket, low boots etc ... who are actually useless bcs they simply have a better version and there is no point in playing them

Rework the spawn system, when u get used to it, u perfectly know where to go to rush spawn everyone

Fix the lag when there is a team in 50-60 meter range, it's game breaking atm

Thanks 🙂

[tulip vapor]

"Buff barb primary weapon, they have no good option atm and this is the main reason the class in actually bad in trio high roller at rly high lvl " 💀

[tawdry rapids]

Well, tell me 1 good weapon, i'm up to debate

[tulip vapor]

bardiche, double axe, felling axe, etc.... move speed cap barb is brain ded rn

the map kind of enables the play don't get me wrong. You just camp rooms and murk anyone. No one can chase you either cuz crush + ms cap

[tawdry rapids]

Bardiche is extremly slow and a rly bad option is trio since ppl are either rushing u melee so u only hit sweet spot or u get shielded cuz the first pattern is rly bad
Double axe is just bad is ever aspect lmao one of the worst weapon in the game
Felling, just space it and fight is won, only new players are getting cheesed by this

• 3 the weapon u mentioned are double arm so no shield = free kill

[tulip vapor]

you only need to two tap people lmao. And outspacing the 330 ms barb that is afking the room that you just walked into. There's no outspacing it

[tawdry rapids]

Don't forget i mentionned high roller trios
Might be good solo weapon, rly good weapons but every team has something to stop a speed barb
Also i'm talking about top lvl gameplay, not about content creators baitclicking 90% of playerbase

[patent mauve]

Buff the debuff duration curve for Will, the soft cap at 50 will should be -35%

[lilac jacinth]

there should be a accept all quests button on the merchant screen i hate having to go through and accept them all every time i make a new character

[solemn needle]

For the love of Jesus Christ - fix the merchants. Why can't I buy more than 2 franciscas every hour?

[tawdry rapids]

it's alrdy possible, quest list bottom right in lobby --> accept all

[half pewter]

In the game, there is a lack of at least two weapons: a pirate saber and a crystal dagger. The saber will serve as an alternative to the rapier and short sword, something in between. The crystal dagger will solve the problem of lanterns, which have a bonus to magical damage and memory size

[worldly fern]

pirate saber or in general saber would be just too similar to falchion

[half pewter]

make attack shorter and faster

[solemn needle]

Fix the unlock minigame - often times I click on the insta-unlock and the game takes it as a failure. GGS

[unborn terrace]

are you using spacebar

[sinful zephyr]

remove spiders thanks

[lofty solstice]

QOL suggestion: Search bar on stash
I need rly bad a search bar to look for mods on my items

[warm canyon]

I would like to see Troll Pelt removed as a component for making gold bags. It's nigh impossible to use the troll pelt gear crafts unless you are stupid rich. Pelts being used for gold bags is choking out the gear crafts

[zenith nest]

It doesn’t matters when mages and lock have faster ttk in melee than rogues now. You have to ideally sneak on someone. But no one plays wizard solos and locks have hydra to detect/phantomize to reset rogues. And if you make 1 mistake you cooked. It was like this before patch, but at least you have that option to instakill squishes. And now you have no damage by reasons stated above.

As caster warlocks I 2shot rogues cause they have to land at least 3-4 some of hits in head (3).
You never catch good ranger: you die in traps or to a shotgun.

Bis Wizards can kill decent rogues in range (!) by 1 fireball + 1 zap; 2 missed fireballs; 2 zaps.
And 2fireball BIS rogues.
Bis Bard can 3 shot bis rogue with 3 headshot and he won’t let you hit his head.

I like how you stated “don’t do any mistake and prey they are bold and not checking/walking in in wrong order and most of the time you will win”

Because this is actually the only way to play rogue

1. ratting hard
2. make no mistake
3. enemies are weak or timmies
4. you mostly win but they still can outdps you (3headshots with bard rapier for example )

[somber elk]

Hello developers can you develop more perks and skills cuz i have brain and i want it work to have more fun pls

Make grinding More harder and harder to find good loot so hard and stop make resets pls pls stop resets i dont love mining now cuz there will be reset

[tight ledge]

Can hell be reworked to have a boss choice? Running 30 min games to try and quest and get the right boss only for it to be the wrong one like (shit you not) 10 times in a row is very frustrating. That doesn't even count the time it takes for it to circle to the right map. Just seems like it should be more like goblin caves/ ice caves where you know what you are getting going in.

[jolly leaf]

And that's why I suggested a rework. Rogue how it is now is either too strong or too weak depending on buff/nerf and if you face good or bad player. It's unbalanced because of how you need to play it. Even if SDF said he don't like the idea of a rework imo he need a rework.

[strange hatch]

if you hit the quest log on the main screen in the bottom right you can hit accept all, its just below the table on the right of the screen

A grey cape, no real stats i just want to be able to wear a cape without having to craft, pay 200+ for it, or go into hr for it

[strange hatch]

Also LORE! PLEASE like give us an intro cinematic or something like come on

[brisk jetty]

How about adding more curse options for warlock other than 2 that actually do damage

[vestal cloud]

i really think they need to do something about barbs damage output its a little ridiculous how oppressive the class is like most classes ned to run away from a barb and if you make one little mistake it literally over like give them 0 agi or something or take away achilles and nerf there damage

[queen isle]

I need underwear cosmetics, my lizard looks weird with white undies

[mystic linden]

PLEASE reset a players queue to not selected when they leave a party! I have accidently queued into trios multiple times as a solo because of this and lost kits.

[stray quail]

Does anyone else think it's for the best that they disable inspecting other players in the basecamp lobby?

Not only would it add a challenge but it would also prevent targeted fights. Especailly because people target low level specifcally

[eternal fable]

Love goblin caves being 60% barbarians who 2-tap and have 150+ health base, 320 base movespeed sheathed BEFORE rage buff

[granite plinth]

interesting weapon ideas
Scythe - Warlock, Fighter

-35 Movespeed

Damage - 30/32/34/36/38/40/42

Unique: Harvester
20% of damage dealt is healed back to the wielder on hit (DOES NOT SCALE)

Sickle - Rogue, Warlock, Bard

-15 Movespeed

Damage - 20/22/24/26/28/30/32

Unique: Slasher
1 Physical damage (75%) per second and can stack infinitely. You also gain +1 additional physical per hit as well

Magic Wand - Wizard (0.05s cast delay)

-5 Movespeed

Magical Damage - 1/2/3/4/5/6/7

Unique: Exorcism
Each successful spell hit gives the target a -5% action speed and -5% spell casting speed debuff, stacks up to 6 times

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/574221/interesting-weapon-ideas

[low condor]

a shotel could be cool

[zenith nest]

Got you

[zenith nest]

Change copperlight outfit to dex action instead speed bonus

[zenith nest]

Based

[dense light]

If treant do last hit not count my quest and I cant open inventory fastly. Cuz " Treant " kill.... pls fix this

[alpine plover]

Reduce Barbarian resistance to magic, no way am i smacking a barb over and over with spells just to have him run me down and 2 tap

[tepid swift]

That's a perk

[alpine plover]

Nah even without the perk in base games

[modest comet]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/574235/add-darkgrove-robes-as-to-squire-gear
Darkgrove robes for squire gear please

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

[mystic linden]

Thanks

[deep marsh]

Make the traders sell better quality gear than the squire? Maybe I'm just dumb but it seems useless to have traders for weapons gear that you get for free and have to spend money on them?

[meager jasper]

Still doin it huh. This is your reminder that the devs have said before they do look at feedback all over the discord, and by comparison we have little evidence the website sees much consideration. All major pushes for changing something have always started either here or with complaints mostly from streamers.

[modest comet]

you mean only the last part

[brisk breach]

They are removing it altogrther

[lament sequoia]

please please change spawn in lower level with two harpies lol. Worst spawn out of all of them.... yeeet ice map also add more time down there lol ... feels soo short .

[bitter saddle]

im deaf so I can never hear people around me and always get destroyed, I still love the game and I would love to have an option to get visual cues for player movement idk if thats feasible though

[somber elk]

hi developers ur so slow can u hire more potatos to give us new potato content

[crude hill]

I think your only option is finding a niche class+build+playstyle that makes deaf disadvantage not that big. Sound is big part of the game and i can't imaging a way not in detriment of the game fun.

[hidden hemlock]

So the other day I was brainstorming how to make classes more diverse and I was thinking about what skills or perks can be added to make barbarians a little more fleshed out

[somber elk]

they are slow they need to hire more we need alot of thing

[crude hill]

They have a lot of employers but most of them are administrative jobs to fight Nexon case. Sdf said that wants to hire someone to help with balance but they cant.

[hidden hemlock]

and the idea i had in mind was making a support barbarian.

How do you think the following would work:

An activated ability (so your Q or E) that allows you to pick up a fallen teammate and move their body. During this time you cannot attack and you have reduced move speed

Or

a perk that allows you to pick up breakable items and place them in front of things like doors or something

[bitter saddle]

hello, could you suggest any build that could be ideal for me

[somber elk]

barb only smash

[somber elk]

y i hate nexon they slow the progress of this game alot

[crude hill]

I don't now sorry. Maybe a ranger being ultra cautious, clearing all angles, placing traps behind you with the footprint perk when playing alone. Or playing full support class playing in the backline with a good frontline in trios. In general in trios you can depend on your teamates to tell you about sounds.

[bitter saddle]

Ok thanks

[crude hill]

The thing is the moment you give someone the ability to have visual feedback of sounds there will be people that abuses it. And then sound awareness will be less relevant. This is delicate topic for me because i want to encourage people to use VoIP by making players rely more in sound feedback making it an advantage.

[tough willow]

They are still working on skill trees. Have been for a long time now

[tough willow]

They definitely need to do this. In a way it doesn’t give too much of an advantage to players that are not deaf and try to use it

[tough willow]

They have a total of nearly 100 employees.

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

[eager oyster]

Not very motivating as new players to see leaderboards and see a bunch of hackers with 500k AP score. Why not ban all these heaters Ironmace? Look into all of them. Collect all the data on all the known cheat sites and mass wave ban every player who's used them etc.

[wicked grove]

Make Better or Customizble Human Skins please

bowl cuts suck

[mossy orchid]

male cleric drip cut is unmatched and should be default for all male characters. make it happen ironsword plz

[supple mulch]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/574359/end-of-game-kill-cams upvote this if you love watching other people's suffering

[mossy orchid]

noone sticks around for the end game tho

[supple mulch]

you would see them when you extract / die with a button like the watch death cam one

[tall furnace]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/545219/make-quests-account-wide-not-per-character

PLEASE GIVE THIS SOME LOVE!!

[jolly leaf]

Pushing this suggestions as I think it's one of the most important thing the game need : https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem Don't forget to upvote it if you like the idea

[uneven thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/guts-berserk-crossbow-gif-23297482

how to buff fighter

[paper apex]

They already talked about making the npc affinity you get from quests account wide

[sweet valley]

Anyone use melee magic staff alot? What’s a good action speed to shoot for?

[dense sand]

you should really watch the QnA with devs, most of what you've mentioned and more is in the pipeline

[vestal cloud]

NERF BARBARIAN LIKE WHAT THE FUCK ITS NOT EVEN FUN ANYMORE

[jolly leaf]

Which one? If it's a Q&A that was several month ago or at the beginning of the Early then I think it's usefull to keep asking for it even if it's "planned". To show that we want it sooner than someday. They have talked about a lot of stuff along all the Q&A, some of that has probably been cancel or delayed for other thing that might be less interesting. Imo adding Point of Interest, stuff to do on the map should be top priority, the gameplay loop is almost the same since the beginning and so much cool stuff could be done

[dense sand]

onepeg's most recent QnA with Terence and SDF is i the background lol, nothings been pushed back or delayed, they said arena and guilds are coming this year

just watch it, instead of making excuses not to or that for some reason your suggestion is better than all the stuff they planned even tho its the same stuff lol

[tawdry sierra]

I know I’m not the only one who thinks this… they need to add more then one way to get gold ore. I am someone who can kill both bosses and everything, but it’s not nearly enough time to fight,kill the bosses, and mine and get out. It’s hard if another team is on your booty the whole time. It would be nice if it was for all the bosses so there for not everyone is on gc bosses.

[sturdy forge]

make a cemetery map

[jolly leaf]

Well if you speak of the one a month ago then I've seen it and except the Guild and faction system (that is at the end of the suggestions, not the most important part and not the part I mentioned in my last message) they've said the opposite of what this suggestions asked for. Terrence have said that they'll make a stop in adding new content to focus on other stuff, like the Sorcerer, the matchmaking system, the arena etc etc. They've said that the game content as reached the bare minimum they wanted and that they would focus on more secondary thing for a few time.
The point of interest on map, especially the Forge as it could work great with the socketing system coming next season (like the comment on the suggestions said) are imo more important than Arena or new class

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/554235/dark-and-darkers-content-problem putting it back if people want to know what suggestions I talk about

[jolly leaf]

The gold ore spot used to move every season, this season it's kinda hard to get but it might be better next season (hopefully it'll be in Ruins as thr map come back)

[eager hemlock]

A short warning about the Leaver's Penalty before being able to leave the current lobby.

[grave stirrup]

have druid healing spells actually SCALE so we can go healing kit and help our teammates. wild thought right

[upbeat pumice]

tking is not allowed now?

[tiny wigeon]

Just a heads up guys. Ironmace doesn’t read this channel, if you’re making a suggestion for them to read, you have to use their website.
This is the place to discuss the suggestions on the website.

Just letting you all know so you don’t waste your energy thinking this is the place for it.
I see a bunch of great suggestions but sadly this isn’t where you should send them.
If you want to suggest to ironmace then use https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/

Also , this isn’t my opinion, it’s how they said this channel is to be used. It’s weird, I don’t agree with it, but I just wanna share with you guys.

[grave stirrup]

druids:
we need natures grasp spell, anyone who melee hits you gets rooted
we need leader of the pack perk, in animal form you and your teammates get +% phys damage bonus
we need moonfire spell, cast on a target for initial damage + damage over time
we need hurricane spell, cast on an area for lightning AOE
we need revive, replace that dogwater tree of life with a spell castable on a corpse to bring them back to life
we need heals scaleable so bear kit isnt the only kit worthwhile - let us provide utility during group matches
we need our animal hitboxes fixed
we need JUSTICE!

[queen igloo]

Polearms clink way too much in CQC. Give polearms a "half-grip" mode for close quarters combat.
https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/574505/polearm-alternate-attack-mode

[slow arch]

still no ms nerf devs are clueless

[sick sedge]

They nerfed copperlight ms bonus...

[dull cape]

does anyone think the removal of the pregame lobby is bad? instead of removing it all together they should just make it so you arent able to inspect, and everyone has default gear

[reef gust]

I find so annoying hydra - life drain, u basically don't need healing and while u heal ur also protected and can block doors

[fathom wyvern]

Bard armor song is a joke now, <2% mdr and pdr added is a useless song slot to queue with

[wraith silo]

you want the druid to have cleric and wizard capabilities

you almost cant kill a good druid cus of the insane mobility but they can just panther chicken bear drop on u then 1 hit ur ass

[somber elk]

WE DISCOVERED ERROR WE ARE SO SLOW WE DONT WANT TO EMPLOYEE PEOPLE WAKE UP UR GAME HAS THE POTENTAIL DONT BE LAZY

[meager jasper]

I don't think this was any kind of smart either tbh. This punishes barbs and bear druids more than anyone else - classes that are slow and need speed because they have no ranged options. This doesn't do anything to high base agi classes, who can skirmish these classes indefinitely with no counterplay.

[indigo kindle]

Dude, these things happen. Take it easy

[indigo kindle]

I agree partially. I think they should leave the inspect ability and the pre game lobby alone. It was part of what made the in game experience what it was. I think they lose a lot by removing this, but they are very likely doing so to test the new matchmaking method. The new method will likely be more flexible where, while you are in the queue, you may be assigned Lobby A originally, but as more people queue up, you may get shifted to Lobby B based on gear score etc..

This in theory could make the matchmaking process quicker and more balanced. It also is disappointing because of the priceless interactions you can run into during that pre-game lobby.

[harsh horizon]

No more rock paper scissors tournaments in the pregame lobby 😞

[hazy chasm]

Scrap the game - yall cooked

[jovial tinsel]

Excuse me but the streamers cant enjoy this. How else can they sneak their best in slot into a game and make vidoe ttitles" THIS "Insert game mechanic" IS INSANE

Now we have 0 information to gain on other players... like im just suppose to chance a fight now with some dude whos just going flat out stat check me because he decided to wipe a lobby this run. Obviously this was intended to prevent preteaming ect, but streamers and content creators really cried for this change because GRIEFING their money source...

Cant wait for content creators to call out a player is in BiS using their palantir ball

[hollow orbit]

https://darkanddarker.featureupvote.com/suggestions/574562/hr-balancing

[karmic fractal]

Rank and pvp skill are not at all correlated ^^ it is a meaningless metric. They’d be better served matching on kills or kda. Skill based matchmaking has ups and downsides, but lots of communities hate it