suggestion-discussion

[tropic hazel]

I'M LITERALLY SEEING WHAT'S GETTING AUTOFILTERED because the bot here is so smart it doesnt even tell you. last one.

Nexon is a joke company only the type of otakus that like watching "1000 year old" girls pretending to be children and then having adult activities with others are siding with, It's crazy.

[atomic mountain]

I have plenty of good conversations and help new players so idk, maybe you in general too much 😅

[tropic hazel]

okay my rant masterfully crafted no to send that in general after my timer from AUTOFILTERS runs out so i can post it and leave B)

[trim dock]

theres good days and bad days, but true i spend too much time there - althought im a fan of the recent fan-art channel as well

[trim dock]

doin good work soldier 🫡 Fuck Nexon

you're 😜 💋 ftfy, you're welcome ❤️ (yes im this bored and no i have nothing better to do)

[trim dock]

rip your posts in general 🪦

[tropic hazel]

some people got to read it at least 🗿

[fiery ledge]

dark and darker takes all kinds, sort of

[granite plinth]

Guys there’s a game that just came out that’s similar to Dark and Darker and it’s called Deceive Inc it’s an Spy Extraction PVP FPS Shooter and it’s blowing up everywhere right now you should should definitely check it out!

[junior hawk]

They aren't the same, heck, they aren't even similar.

[tight gale]

I had a dream dark and darker was released

[white cliff]

Not the same at all, cool game though.

[dawn peak]

What if the game dies

[atomic mountain]

See now this is funny
It hurts, but it’s funny

[granite plinth]

Guys let’s all move to Deceive Inc it’s a Spy Extraction PVP FPS Shooter and it’s blowing up everywhere right now it’s $20 on all platforms please buy Deceive Inc and spread the word about it. ❤️

[tulip venture]

its just not fun

[graceful frost]

I have had 10 of those 😭

[granite plinth]

Suggestion to make general chat not 15 minute timers

[floral sluice]

HAHAHA
He's got the muted role for advertising his dumb game lmao

[tight gale]

I had a dream i wanted to play wizard but was getting fighter to level 20 first

[tight gale]

is it his game?

[floral sluice]

Not a clue, but he's been shilling it constantly

[pseudo wing]

it's a pretty unfun game too tbh. No depth very repetitive. maybe kids like it who haven't played a lot of different games I guess.

[oak timber]

A loop doesnt need to be depth to be fun my guy. I think u just said that because the combat mechanics are not as depth as u would like.

[haughty geode]

Shit game dont play it

$20 rip for a $1 "extraction spy shooter" lmao

[pseudo wing]

I said it because the deception mechanics and all of the mini tasks prior to getting the suitcase are very boring time wasters with no depth and then after waiting around for 5 minutes it becomes a bad deathmatch that I wouldn't have enjoyed even if it came out 10 years ago. But that's just my subjective opinion. I'm sure some people enjoy it.

[oak timber]

I had fun trying to learn how to "perfect" the loop, the pve has no complex mechanics but it punishes enough to make u want to learn the how the mobs work and I think they can focus on the strategic balance part of pvp for the moment and leave the mechanical part ( I dont like that the main strat is buffin a barbarian and make him go braindead). I get that for some people its not a game that they would enjoy, but I dont think its an experience for kids, uk what i mean.

[pseudo wing]

Not really sure what point you're trying to make. I disagree with your description of dnd but also I don't care if that's your opinion? Say whatever you want as far as I'm concerned.

[oak timber]

haha okey mate. Everything was good tilt "maybe kids like it who haven't played a lot of different games I guess." It made u look dumb, just sayin that.

[lucid root]

ahh everyone here is new to me, where'd all the guys from last playtest go

[smoky yoke]

borg's back finally

[lucid root]

can't believe i'm saying this, but i think i prefer the troll suggestion spam to this circular nexon conversation

i saw one of my suggestions made it into the game! (they probably already had it planned i just want to take credit)

[smoky yoke]

what suggestion was?

[lucid root]

the individual spell cooldown bars

recharge bars*

[shy orbit]

Oh, it's so nice. For Adrenaline Rush and Second Wind, too

[smoky yoke]

nice nice

it helps to understand way better
nice

[atomic mountain]

Picard are you in there

[ebon idol]

I heard they are the borg. I was told that resistance is futile.

[lucid root]

[atomic mountain]

Blink once if you’re in there
Blink at all

[silver obsidian]

So is this chat actually talking about the game? It's heartbreaking over in the other one.

[ebon idol]

There isn't much to talk about at the moment.

[lucid root]

i'm up for talking about the game, most of the suggestions are nexon spam though

[atomic mountain]

Help me revive my only non-green suggestion from the dead

.shortinfo 1654320

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Dark and Dolan#0885

[Change to HP Potion Stacking

Change: Stacking Health potions of different rarity will only work when you are missing HP and all but the last one consumed will fall off when your HP is full.

HP potion stacking of different rarity potions is helpful in returning health at a fast rate when there is downtime during or after a fight. I want it to stay.

However, being able to stack multiple HP regen timers using this method while at full HP essentially gives players the ability to fund an effectively higher HP before engaging, and there is no indication they have done so. ]

Opinion:

-22

Suggestions Feed Post

[Suggestions Feed Post](#d-and-d-suggestions message)

Suggestion ID: 1654320 | Submitted at · Mar 12, 2023, 4:41 PM

[lucid root]

stacking potions as in stacking the healing effect?

[atomic mountain]

Yeah, so having multiple rolling regen timers
I came with this because I thought it was a fair compromise between people who want to delete potion stacking as a mechanic entirely, and people who want to leave it alone

[lucid root]

oh just the total heal time not the actual regen

[atomic mountain]

I like the idea of being able to do it but I don’t like the idea of it being abused to allow someone to apply an over shield

[dawn peak]

What if dnd dies?

[atomic mountain]

So my suggestion would be that if you’re missing HP you can stack as many health potions as you want. But if you’re a full health you can only have one rolling at or past when your hp is full

[dawn peak]

But what if there is no potion to take because there is no game to play

[daring goblet]

Nothing ever actually dies, it is transformed.

[dawn peak]

Good answer I just like messing with Dolan the clown here

[lucid root]

not the worst idea honestly

[atomic mountain]

Same principle applies to the next game that has potion stacking 🤓🙃

[dawn peak]

But what if the next game isn’t dnd

[lucid root]

it'd make potions really strong though, jumping in and out of combat to full heal idk how i feel about that

[atomic mountain]

If it has potions, samesame

[dawn peak]

But is it the same?

[atomic mountain]

I mean currently you can already stack potions out of combat or in the middle of a fight if your enemies give you enough of an opportunity. Up to like 4/5
I just thought that this was a more elegant way to deal with the problem without just scrapping potion stacking entirely

[dawn peak]

I mean then the meta would be to have one missing hp

[atomic mountain]

Yeah, no, you’re missing the suggested mechanic where the multiple potion stacks fall off if you’re at full HP

[silver obsidian]

idk how I feel about this. I'd rather be able to prebuff

[lucid root]

i wouldn't mind your way, or at least testing it out before removing stacking

[atomic mountain]

Well For 99% of situations and fights it won’t be a problem but at a higher level I heard it was extremely problematic and annoying

[oak timber]

why? it ends up bein a game of who can stack more pots before entering combat

[lucid root]

i never even knew pre-potting functioned that way, always figured just one pot worked at a time

[silver obsidian]

That's kind of okay in a game like this. Especially when they hit the economy pretty hard with a lot of what they plan on doing for this playtest. Legit a blue potion should have a lot of value if it's rare, expensive, and expendable.

[atomic mountain]

It extends fights and favors people who have more money, which idk. Isn’t a problem until we start talking about people using the tactic to pub stomp i guess

[smoky yoke]

💡

[shy orbit]

People who do it to pubstomp typically end up losing money overall, but it can feel pretty shitty to be on the wrong side of it I guess

[oak timber]

if there are no wipes (idk if devs have plans on this), blue pots will end up not bein rare. But i get what u men

[smoky yoke]

wipes are confirmed

[shy orbit]

Personally I think it's fine because it's only really useful in high-level ranged poking fights, and often not even then

[atomic mountain]

Honestly, don’t think it’s like an epidemic or super easy to abuse but I felt like there was an elegant way to deal with a problem that might become a bigger problem later?

[lucid root]

so its only potions of different rarities that can be stacked?

[atomic mountain]

Yes, for red potions.
You used to be able to do the same thing with blues but they removed that

[silver obsidian]

they are definitely wiping, they confirmed it, and also I found like under 10 all playtest and used them almost immediately for fights. I don't think people are storing them up, and if they are, good for them? They get to go have an advantage in a couple fights. Remember, a barb 2 shots you regardless, if you heal up to live a 3rd, youre still dying to the third.

[oak timber]

thats true

[lucid root]

all my good pots i probably just kept in the stash and forgot about

[oak timber]

I guess if u have worked for it u deserve it. I never used the strat myself so I dont really know how it feels inting a stack of pots to do it

[atomic mountain]

Yeah, I do feel that sentiment.

[dusky field]

I can do the Spanish translation absolutely for free so long as they manage to put the game back on steam and we get to have our dear playtest

Some dude wanted to charge for translating what little text the game has

[lucid root]

based suggestion chat on its way back, we're talking about the game silmeria isn't it beautiful

and i can also read your name now

[oak timber]

I can help with that if u are interested, spanish my first language.

[atomic mountain]

Blue stacking was removed, and I heard a lot of good arguments at the time about reds being a problem so I tried to suggest a solution that i thought everyone could get on board with.

It doesn’t even make sense to me that potions are able to be used when you’re at full health 😅

[lucid root]

reminds me of pubg

[dusky field]

I'm a native on both English and Spanish, but yeah I mean, it could be a collaborative effort by the community to save some money for Iron Mace! I've noticed they have some spellchecking problems in the English version as well

[smoky yoke]

yes finally back to suggestions 🙂
it is nice to discuss about the game

[shy orbit]

Can someone remind me if there's a stat that affects potion healing? Magical or Physical Healing? Buff Duration?

[oak timber]

It doesnt make sense to me too, there is a spell called barrier for a reason. But if devs can get to balance the mechanic with the economy of the game its fine to me.

[atomic mountain]

Physical healing

[lucid root]

magical healing affects potions

[dusky field]

Ooooh we are discussing about health potion stacking? I'm so glad this discussion is being kept alive without me complaining about it. Then this counts as my daily crying about how much I hate health-potion-stacking

[shy orbit]

Personally I probably fall on the side of it being removed, particularly if you can use a stat to easily make it more powerful

[smoky yoke]

if i'm not wrong you can drink 3 red potions stacking up to three times
And you will heal very fast

[lucid root]

i'd probably be more apt to use it for tanking a boss while you burst it or something, seems like a waste for pvp

[dusky field]

Yes! YES! REMOVE IT! REMOVE HEALTH POTION STACKING! YES!

Awful mechanic, I hate having to chugg like an addict pre-fight. You want some serious healing then just ask them to buff bandages. But remove health potion stacking!

[shy orbit]

Just think of it as doing the potion-stackers a favor by decluttering their inventory

[bright pecan]

as long as the potions are of different tiers they stack yeah

[atomic mountain]

Yeah but it’s still useful for other things other than trying to get a PVP advantage pre-fight lol
Ultimately I’ll throw the baby out with the bathwater, But maybe we can just get a pacifier first and see how it goes 😅

[ebon idol]

Chugging health potions to heal fully shouldn't be more efficient than using the surgical kit, which is excatly made for a full heal.

[shy orbit]

Of course, it's great for recovering much faster for the next fight. That said, I actually like healing to be a little difficult. What Bubble said.

A world where everyone can potion stack is a world where Second Wind should be on a cooldown instead of having one charge that needs a campfire to replace, imo

[atomic mountain]

Surgical kits are rare and so is potion stacking anyways

[shy orbit]

Is it just me, or were surgical kits very common on the first day of the playtest?

[ebon idol]

I would say the only thing I don't like about your suggestion is the same as I didn't like about it last time.

[bright pecan]

i wish surgical kit wasnt so hard to get

[atomic mountain]

That all but one stack falls off at full hp?

One potion healing you isn’t significant by any means during a fight
If that’s the argument against that

[ebon idol]

Yeah.

@bright pecan Yeah, sadly.

[lucid root]

using surgical kits was such a pain in the ass with default interaction speed on wizard

[bright pecan]

here's hoping on full game once you level up the surgeon you can buy surgical kits

[smoky yoke]

surgical kits are only nice for rangers and rogues just because the fast interaction speed imo
but of course still useable with other classes obviously

cleric be like:

[atomic mountain]

I feel like surgical kits and bandages should all be a set default speed for any user

[ebon idol]

No, it is that if that is the case it is a very unintuitive game design that the last potion you drank is the only one that stays after a full heal. Deleting all healing pot effects on full health is more intuitive.

[atomic mountain]

Sure, it’s more intuitive. But if it isn’t problematic, it being non intuitive isn’t a problem

[ebon idol]

That is not how I see it, but there are different perspectives.

[atomic mountain]

Being able to look up and around while mining a rock on the floor isn’t intuitive, But I bet you’d be pissed if they took it away

[shy orbit]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Interaction got much stricter? No more peeking to the sides, no more crouching up and down, no more tapdancing once the window was open. I firmly believe everyone would be miserable.

[lucid root]

jumping on barrels as wizard to meditate so you can actually see things other than the floor

[shy orbit]

I once put a Zweihander through the face of a wizard doing that. One of my favorite moments of the game so far

[atomic mountain]

Why my neck be stiff like 1990s batman when I’m meditating, mad annoying

[lucid root]

nerf meditate so wizard closes his eyes too

[shy orbit]

Now we're thinking

[atomic mountain]

Either that, or let me look around

Fixed head position got me upset that I can see, because I’m not happy about what i am seeing!

[smoky yoke]

💡

[dawn peak]

Wizard meditating shouldn’t be able to speak, talk or see!

[stark anchor]

Nerf haste so the character's heart rate increases to dangerous levels and can die of a heart attack

[shy orbit]

Nerf invisibility so the character loses proprioception and stabs themselves in the eye

Wait, wasn't that an actual thing in D&D?

I could swear that if you went invisible without a way to see invisible objects you'd have a chance to fumble or something

[dawn peak]

Make rogues who are hidden able to see other hidden rogues

[clever anvil]

How does it feel to give rogues the ability to disguise themselves as other classes , like TF2 spy

[lucid root]

it would certainly make for some good content

spraypaint a rule34 mimick

[chrome stratus]

There should be a boss in Dark and Darker called Nexon (or similar) that you beat the living sh*t out off. As the boss die (as it do by default) it scream in agony that it will take you down!

[pseudo wing]

just make it the name of the training dummy

[alpine prism]

I have a great Suggestion, Release the game now, fuck what Nexon wants and ride it out till you earn enough money for Dark and Darker 2

Dark and Darker but in VR. Would be great, wouldn't have a problem with Nexon since its VR

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
this made me giggle like a schoolgirl

[granite plinth]

Guys let’s all move over to Deceive Inc it’s a brand new Spy Extraction PVP Shooter and it’s blowing up everywhere right now it’s $20 on all platforms buy it and please spread the word about Deceive Inc

[lucid root]

have fun

[gentle epoch]

I know where u live now

[stoic thorn]

Looks like we're boycotting Nexon bois!!!

[rugged pilot]

In all honesty it'll scratch the extractor itch

I don't see why Nexon is even doing that, they make anime games its not even similar comtent

[stoic thorn]

Time to Uninstall The Finals

[stoic thorn]

They probably wouldn't gaf if the game was trash

[rugged pilot]

If the game was trash it'd be similar to Nexon's titles

[lucid root]

nexon's version would probably do something stupid like buff rogues

anyone have any suggestions though? (game related)

[granite plinth]

Deceive Inc

• There Is Chance To Redeem Dark & Darker You Can A.Contest The Asset's Or B.Update & Replace Said Asset/Resolutions!

[granite plinth]

I was thinking about how to add chatgbt to make chat a safer space

[atomic mountain]

There’s been 0 reported deaths so far

[lucid root]

"reported"

[atomic mountain]

[trim dock]

liar

[atomic mountain]

[dawn peak]

What if dnd dies?

[dawn peak]

Dirty Dolan

[atomic mountain]

I am going to find you and kill you
In the next playtest

[dawn peak]

You are a barb, you won’t hit me

Plus how will you find me if the game dies

[white cliff]

So this game isn’t remotely similar to DnD at all. Not thematically, not gameplay wise, not even sharing similar systems.

[atomic mountain]

I’m a Gamer, of course you are doomed and any attempt to refute this inevitability is laughable

[dawn peak]

My unmatched perspicacity coupled with sheer indefatigability makes me a feared opponent in any realm of human endeavor. However this is not any endeavor, this is my endeavor!

[atomic mountain]

Judging by your utmost care when writing it’s obvious to even the most novice of Wizards that you are an indeed a man of cloth and grimoires.
It is commonly known that even the youngest adolescents of our kind hath undergone rigorous scribe training as a pre-requisite to Wizarding School before they were even given chance to touch a wand.
Let the inkwell come before the tongue, and all spells will birth well from the lung. As the saying goes.
I propose an alliance of the minds betwixt us.
May the Mana Lords have mercy on our enemies and their Muggle parents my fellow spell caster.

[wanton kestrel]

Huh?a

[quick bronze]

Nexon can choke on a big fat wooden pole 🙂

[dawn peak]

I do not speak such gibberish however that was very poetic

[tight gale]

I think, and hope that if they get the game back they will immediately launch a playtest for us to “make up for it”

[fiery ledge]

I know this isn't the right channel, but I see a lot of the "regulars" in here - hope everyone is happy, things are looking good for us ♥

As they always have tbh

[atomic mountain]

Ye boy, did you see how close my take in #q-and-a was to the info they just posted?
I’m damn near giddy

[fiery ledge]

Should be ashamed that only so few of us can pass easy linguistic logic gates

@atomic mountain

#the-tavern is still going to miss though that the list of what items that were stolen was fabricated post release

[crimson flax]

Braukul and Potato still aint banned yet bruh LMAO

[atomic mountain]

Nah, people enjoy their willful ignorance

[fiery ledge]

If it wasn't obvious that Nexon didn't have their shit together on this after they changed their direction of allegation the first time - at least maybe now players will feel more secure though. Because in February, it was stolen assets, but no further claim, then like two weeks later it was the opinion article about intellectual property - some people lol...

Kind of embarrassing that a big company like that was so bad in their approach.

[crimson flax]

can't wait for the future where ironmace adds in dragonborn and they try to copyright strike them over kaiser

[fiery ledge]

I should introduce you to @frosty creek - he likes One Piece

[crimson flax]

arittakeno yume wooooo kake atsume!!

[fiery ledge]

I don't speak Spanish. Sorry.

[crimson flax]

its from the first one piece opening h aha, dont sweat it. they gotta smoke these one piece suggestions tho they're ridiculous

[fiery ledge]

Should be fine. No way in hell these guys are where they are taking One Piece suggestions.

They'd be losing to Nexon if they did. Probably would still be working for Nexon.

[shy orbit]

Anyone else interested in playing the game ChatGPT describes? Sounds like Dark and Darker but with puzzles

They could call it Evil and Eviler, put zombies in it

[atomic mountain]

That’ll be the PvE focused game Ironmace makes in a fee years lmao

[graceful frost]

Till chat gpt sues them

[atomic mountain]

[old gorge]

suggestion: whenever bard comes out, it should come out with a song dedicated to how shitty of a company nexon is

[graceful tulip]

Would making the game open source help be able to take down any basis Nexon has? I know open source allows games to bypass some things of copy right like Cubeworld and Veloran.

[shy orbit]

It might help marginally, but I don't think it'll do much more than what they're already planning to do, i.e. release early builds

[charred igloo]

I wonder if they have any ideas for classes after bard. Would love to see a class like a summoner or a necromancer, would be cool to have "Frendly" AI.

[knotty tulip]

Water map but unironically

[hollow seal]

How tf to do a Suggestion
:Basicly just a good old Mediaval Arena, 1v1 , 3v3 ; or plain simply for Chilling in the hub with the boyz
::Mostly for testing newly aquired weapons / To get a feel for it Before actually Loosing sanity in a real game 🙂

[upper thistle]

i need play LOL

[steep ocean]

Bro got so many downvotes on his stupid ass idea that the discord cant keep up with the reactions... 101 downvotes....

[inner thorn]

as long as its not chess

[graceful tulip]

Suggestion, we all head to Nexon headquarters in our respective countries and start a peaceful protest. APRIL 14TH 2023, ill make signs for everyone. Hotdogs and drinks for everyone who attends.🤔🤔🤔

Someone suggests some good slogans for signs. Of course legal permission from the city so this is all within rights. Because we live in America

[cosmic shard]

I suggest to officially name one of the bosses Nexon, so everyone can beat the sh*t out of it! All similarities with real life are simple coincidence of course

[winter jacinth]

@granite plinth sorry iv never seen such a bad suggestion, maybe go play expedition agartha if you want to be a pirate, live on a pirate ship, and explore islands with water and sand!! hopefully you are already into this game but maybe you dont know it exist...

[fiery ledge]

how is this channel still getting trolled by him

[winter jacinth]

brau'kul is trolling right?

[fiery ledge]

nawww hes 100% cereal

[atomic mountain]

It’s obvious to everyone, but it doesn’t break any rules

[fiery ledge]

who said anything about rule breaking? im talking about the users :p

[atomic mountain]

Yeah i was talking about bakulio

[fiery ledge]

Yes, we both are.

[atomic mountain]

Us is

Why tf is discord nitro so expensive for what it is

[fiery ledge]

Taking bets: PT gets delayed by a few days because they're making a standalone launcher while we wait for this nonsense to blow over

[fiery ledge]

I assume its to take advantage of the smaller sectors of discord's population - people who might use it for businesses but don't know better.

[atomic mountain]

Hmm, I suppose one could argue a use case there, just seems so lackluster in features relative to price. It’s mostly a subscription for chat app cosmetics lmao

[fiery ledge]

Oh, I forgot about that, and people like that.

So used to low balling/high balling in contract deals for work.

[little crane]

how do i make a suggestion? i got an idea thats related to content creators

[atomic mountain]

I believe the make-suggestion channel is down temporarily, Either for maintenance or because people are spamming “funny” suggestions about the current situation

Save it in a notepad and slide it in tomorrow

[little crane]

oh...it was about how maybe let content creators try private servers so they can try mods, for example lets say if dougdoug played dnd with a chaos mod or twitch chat controls his character or something

[graceful tulip]

Whats the point in making suggestions when they can't even work on the game until this lawsuit is finalized?

[atomic mountain]

I see what you’re saying but it’s always good to encourage your player base to input feedback and suggestions at any point in development

[fiery ledge]

Making another bet: They're still working on the game.

[white cliff]

He’s a troll. He’s riled up by all the chaos right now.

[atomic mountain]

Yeah that sounds fun I’m not really familiar with how other games do things like that but in the future that might be something they’d be interested in doing.

[little crane]

:)

[somber wind]

I assume post suggestion area was removed due to the brigading?

[graceful tulip]

I wonder how much of the general chat is filled with actual nexon stans or just trolls trying to rile up drama.

[white cliff]

Yeah, try to stay out of Gen for the most part lol.

[deft linden]

I lose braincells reading #the-tavern lmao

[little crane]

i think theres more trolls than stans? at least it looked like that to me

[graceful tulip]

I contributed to giving nexon money when I was a kid in 2008. I wish I could take it back.

[little crane]

compare that to the money you have now, the amount you spent probably wasnt that much

also you were just a kid and you didnt know

[graceful tulip]

Yeah I would say I might of given $300-400 to Nexon.

[winter jacinth]

what dogshit game where you playing? and did you even win?

[little crane]

i can say ive spent a little more than that in fortnite but hey we all make mistakes

[graceful tulip]

Nothing compared to Riot or Valve or even Jagex. Fuck no I didn't win, I played Maplestory as a kid because Runescape and WoW were too difficult for my 10 y/o brain and the game has always been p2w

[winter jacinth]

ahaha and its pay to loose, pay for actually nothing, love it, probably spend more than 50$ on fortnite myself

[graceful tulip]

Now I nearly have a maxed account on Osrs, and regret playing any Nexon game as a kid even before this whole situation sprang up I've laughed about playing that game.

[atomic mountain]

Don’t worry man you’re not alone there’s a few of us out there that have given more than $300 to one game company and then regretted it

[trim dock]

all the $10 NX cards i used to buy at 7-11 as a teen so i could get a virtual haircut on Maplestory 😭

[trim dock]

tfw you spent ~ $500 on Hearthstone

[atomic mountain]

Yeah fuck card games.
“The original P2W game”
It’s a shame too, cus I like them.
The cost structure is suuper crazy tho

[eternal cipher]

if everyone from the playtest gave 15 dollars (my guess for the price of EA copy)
that would be 2,000,000 users * 15 USD (using USD for example sake) = 30,000,000$
if half the users did then it would still be 15,000,000$, and in the spirit of Iron mace, they would just have to put a form on their website, add your email or something and if you donate more than the cost of EA (which should be listed in the form so people can know) then you get a copy of the game when it releases. Basically an unoffical preorder.

[atomic mountain]

Yeah they’re not broke right now
But maybe if they have no other option

As far as I can tell they respect gamers and value their independence and are confident they can resolve things
I feel like they would only look for player based funding as a last resort

[little crane]

example: magic the gathering's 30th anniversary $1k card pack

[dusky field]

What did my guy Brau'Kul smoke in the shower before making that suggestion???

[little crane]

the pirate thing? idk

[atomic mountain]

Yeah card games or just money printing machines. I don’t specifically know how much it all costs to produce, but it doesn’t seem to be very consumer friendly
I dabble in Magic Arena, but I religiously don’t spend a dime.

[trim dock]

its a one piece meme, he was definitely trolling - i think he was the first guy to break the downvote counter lmao

[dusky field]

I love MTG Arena but I absolutely HATE the pricing model. That being said, there must be some way to support DnD monetarily speaking

[dusky field]

There should be a certain amount of downvotes at which your hands are cut off with rusty spoons

[trim dock]

they are not looking for monetory support at this time, best way to support them is just staying positive, and refraining from posting misinformation and speculation, maybe call out any misinformation you see.

[atomic mountain]

What I meant is they have outside funding and they’re not anywhere near broke. I’ll be there if they decide they need help, but I think there’s a good chance we’ll get EA soon anyways.

[little crane]

and with even more downvotes use those spoons to scoop out their eyes

[dusky field]

I guess one option is to open up "donations" which mean selling an early access, except without the promise of the early access coming out. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd be okay with them implementing some sort of skin cosmetics or battlepass to continue monetizing the game. But never making it F2P, always with an entry fee.

[trim dock]

its very easy to twist this into a cynical cash grab (which I dont think it would be, but that wont stop the trolls) - honestly the backlash from a move like this probably outweights any money they would get. best to just wait for the EA.

[little crane]

honestly i hate the whole battlepass thing, you can miss very cool cosmetics and its usually a strat to take advantage of FOMO which could make some people who miss out on it feel worse

oh thank god

[dusky field]

I've never really bought any battlepass, nor did I have any FOMO, but I guess that's survivorship bias. The skin cosmetics sound like a good option then

[trim dock]

there will be some kind of monetization system outside of initial game purchase - its the only viable way to keep online servers up and running for extended periods of time (especially when there are this many concurrent players.) They havent detailed what this entails outside of "absolutely no pay to win"

[atomic mountain]

They never said they would never add battle pass they said that they weren’t planning on one. Idk, maybe you misheard

[trim dock]

Id have to go back and check, but ill believe this (your statement) until i can find something to back it up - my recollection is a bit fuzzy on this

[atomic mountain]

The question was asked by Orlanthi (game with a dev video)
Q: So absolutely no battle pass right?
A: Well, I don’t want to say never ever because things change all the time, we’re always changing what we want to do, but yeah no, as of right now we don’t plan on having one

[upper sonnet]

tbh I'd prefer fortnite battle pass than what they said before where they said they were looking at DbD for monetization.

Which if that's literal means you'll have to buy new classes when they release them

[dusky field]

I hope that by fortnite monetization you don't mean dances and rainbow skins

[upper sonnet]

I'm pretty sure part of what made them leave Nexon was that they had to add $29.99 Anime titty skins to P3 lmao we're good on that.

[trim dock]

Sounds legit, not gonna make you go back and watch a 40 min video but do you happen to have the timestamp for that ready? i only ask since you seem to have the exact quotes ready so im guessing you just watched it (unless theres a transcribed version somewhere)

i deleted my message regardless

[atomic mountain]

I can link the video. If you want to dig for the clip, it’s when they’re in the main hall
I’ll help look for the video to find it

[trim dock]

i already got the vid pulled up lol its just a long one, ill just take your word, i deleted my message, thanks for the correction

darkest hour podcast lied to me FeelsBadMan

[dusky field]

Love when people are civilized and try to support their facts. Man... what an amazing community (for the most part)

[atomic mountain]

It’s exactly at 2:25

[little crane]

yeah.....just dont go to general chat sshhhh

[dusky field]

We don't talk about general chat here

[trim dock]

misinformation is one of the most powerful tools out there, and it can cause alot of harm, i just have a real vendetta against it. Especially living in America, i see how it can absolutely destroy lives. I know its pretty lame to compare a video game to politics, but you gotta call a spade a spade regardless of how its used. Id hate to be a part of the problem in any domain lol

[atomic mountain]

Me and Stronk were enemies yesterday

[trim dock]

interesting, he says no battle pass at first, but then kinda back pedals. i feel like they are still against the idea of it, but you are right, hard to say that its confirmed. just gonna have to wait and see

[trim dock]

every day is a new day, gotta bury the hatchet (francesca axe), water under the bridge, w.e other euphemism you wanna insert here lol

[little crane]

schrodinger's battlepass

[atomic mountain]

Yeah I think the reason they want to leave it open ended is because they don’t want to upset anybody by saying one thing and then delivering something different.
I think they also recognize that they need to come up with a solution to monetize the game that makes sense for them and us that is a little more creative besides insert battle pass

[dusky field]

Lmao

[trim dock]

the devs are extremely careful with their words, something I admire them for. Its hard to be so transparent while also not delivering promises that wont be fufilled

[dusky field]

Cough cough No Man's Sky

[trim dock]

yup lmao they are trying to avoid any incidences like this

[atomic mountain]

Hey you leave no man sky alone
I wasn’t there on release but I love that game now

[trim dock]

ive not played it but i heard they really turned things around in future updates

[atomic mountain]

No man sky definitely need some endgame shit though, so boring unless you’re just into exploring

[dusky field]

They absolutely lifted the bag that they themselves filled with bricks, and that's to be recognized. But I was promised a survival game with ample PVP dogfights and large scale battles off of a planet with human-built bases

[little crane]

compared to 2016 its like comparing dial up internet to todays 10g

[atomic mountain]

Yeah I feel like that game would benefit a lot from some kind of dog fighting game mode / area

[trim dock]

the most recent dev Q&A also confirms your point, it says "Q: Does Monetization include anything like a battle pass or cosmetic shops?
A: This is difficult to answer as it has not yet been fully decided." so definitely seems like they are still making considerations

anyone play Marauders yet? looks pretty good so far, though a bit lacking on content

[atomic mountain]

Never tried it, heard it was mid
I fuck with hunt showdown a bit. Wish I didn’t have to purchase it on PC after buying it on Xbox though, kinda sadge.
And Vigor on Xbox

[somber wind]

The sooner you escape from Xbox the better since Windows is going to beable to play Xbox games natively and most Xbox games get ported to PC anyway

[trim dock]

i see its on sale on steam, very tempting, i hear good things about this game - pretty sure we have talked about it before

[atomic mountain]

Oh absolutely that’s why I bought this PC a few months ago.
Are used to play a shit ton of World of Warcraft back in the day but haven’t had a PC in about 10 years

[somber wind]

Something great about PC is mods (not hacks, damn people calling them mod menus ruined the modding scene); Dark and Darker wont have it because it's online but for those singleplayer games that you just want more of mods help a ton to extend the life of a game. Just look at Minecraft for example.

[atomic mountain]

Yeah, same. It’s just really tough for me because I really really enjoy like 80% of that game but the fact of my progress doesn’t carryover my skins don’t carryover and I have to make another purchase and theres 20% of the game i don’t like…..ugh

[somber wind]

You ever play Synthetik?

[trim dock]

yea man sunk cost (time and money) is hard to overcome

[atomic mountain]

Yeah! I really hope I get to find the time to go back and play modded skyrim and stuff like that. All the good times i missed out on ya know.
It’s definitely a video series I’ll do once I start streaming
Go back and finish those games that I never finished and do some blasts from the past

[trim dock]

i like how people turn skyrim into completely different games with all the mods lol, like theres mods that basically turns the combat system into witcher 2/3

[chilly seal]

hi

[dusky field]

Great suggestion

[trim dock]

if you havent seen the guy whos recreating skyrim in UE5 i recommend checking it out, its unbelievably gorgeous. gets me really excited for the future of gaming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4m1uuYcm8M

[atomic mountain]

Nope. So I was on PC for World of Warcraft up till wrath of the Lich king.
I’ve been on Xbox ever since with a few years here and there as dry spells, And now I have an Xbox and PC
So there’s probably a ton of coal PC should I missed out on 😅

[atomic mountain]

Yeah I’ll definitely go watch that have you seen the announcement about Fortnite releasing their game two modders to make other games with the engine?
I never really f’d with Fortnite but it’s really interesting

[trim dock]

No havent seen or heard about that yet. cant say ive given fortnite much thought either but sounds interesting, id check out a video on it if someone makes a good one with the details

[obtuse crane]

@trim dock a similar issue of copyright law was issued against a frined of mine. its litterly the same legal argument as to nexon and DaD. if you wanna listin to the pov and short form it can be found here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3JHy7gK4to&t=26s . if you want to read the case in full you can find it by googleing this case #. Court of Appeal, Second District, Division 7, California.

ELEANOR LICENSING LLC et al., Plaintiffs and Respondents, v. CLASSIC RECREATIONS LLC et al., Defendants and Appellants.

B275429 and B279238

[atomic mountain]

https://youtu.be/BEOunRvOUjQ

[graceful tulip]

#suggestion-discussion make high roller a $2.00 usd entry fee, make it a true high rolling experience😎😎😎

[graceful frost]

Doubtful it’s the same. Unless he’s a smaller game development company against a giant one that has more than enough money to take him down

[pulsar tide]

Make the game playable with one hand so I can blow rope to cleric feet

[dusky field]

Why would someone think it's a good idea to say this unless they're trolling and should thus be executed?

[pulsar tide]

Overwatch player ☝️

[dusky field]

Yep, loved that game. Then they ruined it.

Doesn't make my statement any less true. Trolls are subhuman and are only good to be farmed like cattle for purple loot on goblin caves.

[pulsar tide]

Argentinian ☝️

[faint dirge]

Using a na-zi term is not much better

[dusky field]

Fair enough, I should train my patience. But being surrounded with that attitude (as it is very common in my country) has given me quite a short leash for edgy wanna-be-funny comments

[obtuse crane]

l2read stop assuming

[pulsar tide]

I think “subhuman” is older than the third reich

[faint dirge]

It was uses to describe non aryan ppl and using that on another group of ppl is similar

[dusky field]

The difference being I'm not referring to any one ethnicity, race, or even religion, but rather a mentality that can be present on any member of any group, and that does absolutely nothing productive for humanity, instead setting back communication for the sake of "LolxDxDxDXdxD"

[faint dirge]

I dislike trolls too but there are also better terms

Even for the sake of not risking a ban for urself
Especially with the hypersensitive people nowadays

[atomic mountain]

You peeps see what 1st floor Ruin might look like? 😲

[smoky yoke]

[graceful frost]

nope, where does it show or whatever

[atomic mountain]

Sent it

[molten copper]

Theres a decent amount of melee weapon types though? 24 individual, and at least 5 categories (6 if you count unarmed)

[faint dirge]

What about magic weapons and ranged weapons?

[trim dock]

Link plz (I got your other link btw, got it saved to watch later)

[trim dock]

crazy shit man, epic games is one of the few AAA studios that do it right. Maybe nexon can take some notes on how empowering game devs can be mutually beneficial for all parties involved, instead of trying to stifle the competition lol (cough cough nexon, write this down)

[faint dirge]

Yeah true

The staff, warmaul, mace and the morning star
Also cleric has spells too

Bind, but id say he is a healer and thats what he does best

Ranger does the same every fight too

[silver obsidian]

ah dang they remove suggestion submissions. I was gonna suggest contacting wizards of the coast and making it an official dnd spinoff.

[atomic mountain]

Yeah I think they shut down the channel to prevent spammy suggestions because of the drama
<@&988703997378584596> Can confirm?

[faint dirge]

Yes i identify as Warden and i can confirm

[fiery ledge]

Cleric is the only class in game besides sometimes barb and rarely fighter that ever saves a bunch of noobs from gibbing themselves in a pvp fight while pve is about to trap them against the wall for a quick beat down - see people like SoBadStrange who like to train agro onto people. I've seen clerics come back from HR Hell certain death in a split second.

cleric = content skip (mostly)

[left moss]

i just wont run any spells as a cleric.. that will show you

[fiery ledge]

Well, smite + judgement cleric is my fav tbh

[left moss]

problem is that smite is just divine strike

[fiery ledge]

lol, build cleric like wizard ignite ~ smite is magic damage

And then imagine if a wizard was pocketing you with ignite (which scales off the receiver stats not the caster unless they change that for the next pt)

there comes a point with cleric magic on hit melee build where cleric can reliably pierce any defensive build and 1 tap pretty much every squish and sometimes barbs

[left moss]

divine strike is magic damage

[fiery ledge]

It scales off will, it increases your weapon damage (Which does physical damage), smite is an on hit melee spell that applies magical damage

[left moss]

huh. still doesn't make smite worth it though

[fiery ledge]

you didnt build it well enough

[silver obsidian]

aye I'm glad someone thought of this too! It was my plan for next playtest.

[left moss]

better off running strength/weapon damage in that case, i was hitting for 240 damage on my cleric

[fiery ledge]

same, but it was about 125 each, and piercing, i'd rather have hybrid damage than run into that one guy and do no damage

[left moss]

mfw judgement

[fiery ledge]

mfw smite and judgement and never having to worry about a purist build + dont forget mordhau/chiv 1 footwork

[silver obsidian]

also, magic damage would also impact ignite so you can just tap people with quadruple your +additional magic damage per melee if you're running smite and divine strike

[fiery ledge]

x

[fiery ledge]

Its a good build, requires a lot of investment, just gotta watch out for the 1 taps as per usual :\ even the pommel/hilt strike is strong

but thats the whole game once everyone is on the up and up

[silver obsidian]

I mean, I mained wizard last playtest. I know how cheaply you can throw together a +additional magic set and I'd get access to plate too? getting like +1 or +2 on every green took me like 300g at the start of last playtest.

[fiery ledge]

I started off this conversation from the perspective of a +phys +mag, ergo the comment about cost ~ cleric already has low base agi and movement speed so the pieces I usually go for are the ones I would wear on a rogue or ranger ~ lightfoot, reg gamb, etc etc - prices start to sky rocket fast in that area, at least if you dont want to wait

Besides, after a point, I was only trying to stock up something close to what I consider bis ~ playing with people who have 500+ cc etc etc

[atomic mountain]

B) Spread sheet nerd

[fiery ledge]

I told you

#the-tavern message

@atomic mountain

[atomic mountain]

Lmao I’m in the pool swimming with you!

[fiery ledge]

pewp in de water

[atomic mountain]

💩

[fiery ledge]

It's gonna be a while before gen dies down

2 days ~ then I bet they say something about PT around that time and it starts again

[atomic mountain]

Yes and it’ll be back to bickering about class balance and speculation
With a healthy amount of trolls attempting and succeeding in triggering people

[fiery ledge]

trolls? healthiest server i've ever been in

[atomic mountain]

Sarcasm 8/10 or are you for real?
I don’t have much experience I only bought my PC a couple months ago 😅

[turbid ermine]

I mean there's servers that are much worse

Mordhau release was a fun one, mordhau in patch days gets worse too

[fiery ledge]

I mean, sarcasm on the trolls part, but not so sarcastic about the server and its state. This place has nothing compared to what I'd call true toxicity. Even though it definitely seems like water is coming on board at times.

[turbid ermine]

There is no racism like in LoL lobbies either

[atomic mountain]

Word? that’s fair

[faint dirge]

Thats because here you can get banned

[turbid ermine]

Hasn't stopped people before, hell people been doxxed over Mordhau got banned and just got a new account

[pulsar tide]

I did that btw

[turbid ermine]

bear syndrome moment

[fiery ledge]

I'd say there's definitely some xenophobic comments every now and then that just go by completely unnoticed.

But its not as bad as what's going on pretty much every second of every day in other servers.

[pulsar tide]

Yeah mostly from dirty, disgusting Australians

[fiery ledge]

And even then I wouldn't recoil over that. That reminds me of Norm McDonald (super funny guy imho) because of its injection. Its not even real bigotry half the time, just some high schooler (whether it be mentally or physically)

Meanwhile in GTA V with the George Floyd RP servers and thats still G rated

[atomic mountain]

Bring back “sticks and stones” saying

[turbid ermine]

[turbid ermine]

Sticks and stones will break my bones, but doxxing will break my home

That's how it went right?

[turbid ermine]

I wasn't, college was for beating EU bear in Mordhau

[pulsar tide]

Unpopular opinion: I think we should be able to murder people we don’t like

But only if we file the proper paperwork beforehand declaring my intent to murder them publicly to the government

[graceful frost]

Huh

[fiery ledge]

🤔

[atomic mountain]

🧐

[quartz dune]

Let him cook

[faint dirge]

Its already burnt tho

[atomic mountain]

Burnt Toast

[faint dirge]

Bro i saw a video where they rubbed two slices of burnt toast and the black crust got off
That became just normal toast again

[atomic mountain]

Fake TikTok news. It’ll still smell and taste burned

[faint dirge]

Just give it to the neighbors dog

[atomic mountain]

How rude to the dog

[somber wind]

Ik the topic isn't about the game right now but I wanted to throw this out since I was thinking about it; What do people think of Hook Swords? Example: https://youtu.be/9G4gJGLaiF8?t=136

[atomic mountain]

I feel like the whole point of hook swords is to be able to use them to control, deflect and bind up your opponents weapon. Which might be mechanics another game would have but for now I don’t think Dark and Darker’s vision would support it

[fiery ledge]

Kind of hard to want to give an opinion about a weapon when the rest of the combat system (as well as the weapons available to us) is still very infantile.

[somber wind]

Depends on the type of hook sword, the spike ones are for purely deflect and not binding. Spike Hook Swords are intended for dual wielding which I personally like more from a gameplay standpoint.

[atomic mountain]

They’re definitely gonna be adding a bunch of different armor and weapons to the game that is something that they stated repeatedly. So it’s possible as long as it fits somewhere in the weapon balance and has a use case

[somber wind]

I feel like they wont be expanding upon the combat system past making every weapon have a unique functionality like the longsword riposte or zweihander's double hitbox and adding more weapons.

[somber wind]

Something I especially want is Whips, Flails and Cestuses. I feel like the Whip's special feature should be if you hit with exactly the tip of the whip it does significantly increased damage.

[atomic mountain]

Yeah that would be cool and I could have an increased slowing affect too

[fiery ledge]

I'm probably the worst person to talk to about this. They said they don't want to be like Mordhau (in regards to melee combat). But I come from Mordhau/chiv 2011, who partially came from TB, who said they didn't want to be like Chiv 1, but is still capable of being played like chiv 1.

I'm bound by ptsd from past devs to not want to be hopeful lol. No idea whats going to come of the melee system.

[atomic mountain]

They did mention that they “can’t imagine not having” slings or slingshots in the game

[somber wind]

I do think the melee system will be expanded upon but not in that way. I think something they heavily want to avoid is benefiting from having a button that increases your DPI to do a 360 spin and hit everyone and other things like that that you can do in Mordhau.

[fiery ledge]

That's not how it goes. Everyone has a universal sens limit. To break it is cheating, mods, or desync.

[somber wind]

Ik I'm exaggerating but I've seen in competitive mordhau some stuff that I just went "that probably shouldn't be a thing".

[fiery ledge]

Yea, in comp mod they have edited fov and sens caps - its preddy shiddy

but ultimately, even still, with something like the hooksword, makes you wonder how far they want to go with the rest of the weapons when they collide on target, like maces being able to "hit through" a target

[somber wind]

Something I was thinking that feels stupid to say but I still love the idea is a chance to do a loud as hell whip crack when you attack with it which has a chance to inflict fear on living creatures (so if we get more living enemies it'll be very good but also still can do the damage debuff on players that fear inflicts).

[fiery ledge]

Or add a knockback effect to the whip like the unique/artifact/named longbow - how it pushes back anything it hits

[somber wind]

Yeah I see what you're saying.

Weapons off the top of my head I'd like to see: Whips, Flails, Cestus, Hook Swords, Katars, Scythes, Claws, Flamberge, Shotel, Kama, Scimitar, Server, Estoc, Blackjack, Club, Greatclub, Executioner's Sword, Claymore, Horseman's Pick, Longmaces and Broadswords.

When I say Scythes I'm not expecting something edgy, I'm genuinely thinking the farming tool.

[fiery ledge]

I think you can expect them to try and keep it canon to their classes in that regard. A lot of those weapons are arguably already ready to be in here though I know, but yeah...

[somber wind]

Something I'd want but the combat system genuinely wouldn't let this not be horrifically busted is Kusarigama and it might dip too far out of the Medieval European fantasy and more into Eastern themeing.

Although a super nerdy video with the "special effects" lol, a good demo of a Kusarigama: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jRzRTyQVo

It's basically a super long flail with a sickle that you can swap between swinging the sickle or the ball. Ment also for binding and yanking peoples limbs and weapons.

[abstract swallow]

One of the best parts of DaD's simplistic melee system is the total opposite of one of Mordhau's biggest flaws: Consistency, clarity, and readability.
The static movesets create immediately understandable situations and interactions that can be reacted to even by new/low-skilled players, while a more advanced system like Mordhau's explicitly embraces fighting game-lite aspects that emphasize obscuring and interrupting actions; which creates a largely insurmountable barrier for those same new/low-skill players as forcing misplay and misinterpretation is a fundamental skill on top of the dramatically higher skill floor for basic execution.

[fiery ledge]

That leads to a whole different conversation - devs are trying to do a cultural crossover (according to their mission statement) and while the crossover definitely leaks out into the other cultures of the world eventually, I think they're probably going to keep it vanilla for a little bit.

[somber wind]

This genuinely is my thoughts as well, I enjoy it as is but I do see weapons gaining more functionality as a good thing.

[somber wind]

I think it might be fine if they have dungeons use their own loot pools and could have the dungeons themeing dictate what fits best for that dungeon to have from it's enemies and chests.

[granite plinth]

mordhau fighting system is not made for fighting with mages in the game. if u want a more fit fighting system sea of thieves is a better fit for studying.

[abstract swallow]

It'd be nice to see different grips or stances or something else that gives a little more utility/variety while maintaining the benefits of streamlined combat.
One downside of gear-centric, streamlined combat is that most weapon bases are just outright ignored by most players, and that could breathe new life into many items and fighting styles.

[fiery ledge]

Eh, give Dark and Darker some time - its still limited access and people are still learning the combos and builds (myself somewhat included). I had a little bit of fun watching Insane Zeno play (without relying on francs) he can do "in-fighting" very well. Reminds me of where I got to in Mordhau when I stopped relying on parry.

Still so many people just walking up to each other like they have rods grafted to their spine and just trade hits

[atomic mountain]

Yeah there’s a lot of cool things they could do and there’s a lot of great suggestions from the community, But I think it’s important to note that our expectations and suggestions should be limited in scope because if the infancy if the game

[solar glade]

Agreed, this was one of my best days of gameplay and fights like this are so much fun knowing that you narrowly dodged deaths https://www.youtube.com/shorts/09BKhg0j_NI

[fiery ledge]

I think that rogue would have a hard time finding an easier opponent to fight than that barb. The barb would walk in, swing, then before the swing finishes and before he even tries to do any swing manip (which he didn't), he'd back out and pull the trace vectors away from the rogue (was basically killing himself). Not to mention, poor barb is clearly new to melee slashers, double axe attack patterns vs a rogue who is at the bottom of the stair case? By being above the rogue with those attack patterns, he ended up losing pretty much almost all of his range.

Plus, rogue knew what it was doing

Unless I can do an underhand or stabs, I almost always never fight on elevated surfaces, if I see the ground is uneven, I'm looking for better areas to fight (usually because of my weapon choice, it dictates where I have to fight), the amount of times elevated surfaces have ruined my drags/accels/made me lose a 1v1 etc.

ptsd from uneven surfaces r.i.p.

[solar glade]

Yeah that's why I moved down the staircase when he tried to just one tap rush me, pretty sure the vectors were already at a point where it wouldn't of hit even with swing manipulation right? Maybe I'm wrong tho, I purposely tried to wait for halfway/close to the end of the swing to duck it since it wouldn't of gave him the time to try and manipulate it

Bro obviously was panicking like hell realizing the movement

[fiery ledge]

Didnt realize it was you - I think for the most part it wouldn't of mattered, you were already in his head on the third swing probably even second.

If anything, even first swing. Probably shitting himself.

Plus you ducked down at the base of the stairs when you were already out of range and when you did the duck to the side, only way i think he could of got you is if he crouched and you stood up too fast.

[solar glade]

I'm new to these types of fighting games, but I usually pick up things quickly from game to game, any tips? You obviously know alot more then me from previous knowledge

[fiery ledge]

Give me a sec, a proper answer to this is a little wordy and I'm trying to keep it tl;dr

You're already where you are against that barb I think you might benefit a lot from a little bit of time practicing drags/accels underneath someone who practices them a lot. Once you've got that down, work on your footwork so you can learn other ways to avoid becoming that barb, after that, start doing "trick shots" with your swing manip so you can get "fancy" with it and be more acclimated to 180s, 360s, 720s, etc etc, and then start practicing dodging without parrying/not caring about living

[solar glade]

Dont worry man I'm checking back inbetween sets haha

[fiery ledge]

Used to train my friends all the time in Mordhau, maybe I suck, but a lot of them are better than me now because they started off on the fast track rather than having to stumble through what the community took a little bit of time to learn - I dont think you need to no life it especially if you play like that already

(been in the scene since 2011, have 5k+ hours, etc)

just find some skilled people, ask them to teach you, if they see you as good, I'm sure their intuition might pick up on it and they might try to "shine you on"

and practice drags/accels/dodging in your head and in game

[atomic mountain]

Spread sheet nerds detected

[solar glade]

That clip was near the end of playtest 3, I started to really try focusing on 180s since backpedaling is slower then just walking backwards

[solar glade]

[atomic mountain]

Lol

[fiery ledge]

You're doing great tbh, that crouch and turn to the side was chef's kiss, I didn't need to see the rest of the video after that.

You'd probably be fine just ignoring what I suggested and trying to strike it out on your own - my confidence in intuitive melee players is that low

[atomic mountain]

Brad can you teach Dark and Dolan how to become more Dark and Dangerous next playtest?
Not trolling, I like your moves

[solar glade]

Pick rogue, one shot everyone in doorways out of hide before you get a chance to even duel people

[fiery ledge]

Also, something I do as like a personal thing is not flex on people. Try to take it slow, enjoy them as much as you can. Dark and Darker pvp usually happens so fast you never get a chance to fully absorb the other person's style.

[solar glade]

Yell boo in voice chat to scare them for comedic effect usually works well

[fiery ledge]

Plus, it gives them a chance to learn you, which gives you a chance to make room for growth

[solar glade]

Yeah I had alot of fun, I probably could of killed that barb before he reacted but I thought he was baiting somehow. I eventually just ended up asking if people wanted to dance for fun and just practically suicide trying to learn attack patterns of weapons since literally nobody has made anything on it yet

[fiery ledge]

ergo my comment about learning drags/accels/dodging without parrying in mordhau - there comes a point where once you know what every weapon's attack pattern is, you can play them in your head and begin to see where they struggle in particular areas of the map, like wanting to use stab weapons in tight hallways rather than horizontals, etc etc.

people say the learning curve is steep but i disagree, the plateau has already been crossed by other gamers, just need a decent teacher to skip the rest of it or a few good videos

[solar glade]

Yeah I dont think it's crazy rocket science, just experience and being comfortable with the fight, people are more scared of you walking at them more then anything

[fiery ledge]

https://youtu.be/Ih4dZvLKvQk?t=277

this is sort of exemplary of what you just said (volume warning)

but if this were a more skilled opponent, it'd look different - and it only works so many times until the trick has been discovered

Another downside to body work/foot work is sometimes scrubs just dont care - they will W key and face roll - same for some sweats

[solar glade]

That was awesome, I did something decent like that vs a fighter one time on 1hp, my heart was going a million miles an hour

[solar glade]

Barb and spear users

[fiery ledge]

Its arguably one of the best feelings in the world to be that close to death but finessing that hard.

Rogues kind of have it pretty easy right now, there are no attack binds and the rooms are pretty cramped/there's a lot of things to get the weapon stuck on, even for a weapon like spear I might recommend putting your back to a wall and baiting them into hitting the wall

as a result weapons like bard/halbred which would typically roll rogue aren't as favored

not that you want to be that close to a spear, ever...

that crouch you did? most people just aren't ready for that level of correction - and getting in the face of a spear user who doesn't know how to cleave with spear? hueuheuheu

[solar glade]

Yeah, the clubs vs rogue are crazy, halberds you can just make them hit walls easily if you hug correctly, spear I usually just run at people and crouch and stare at the ground when they poke and it usually works haha

[atomic mountain]

Y’all wanna have a threesome?
Triple rogue, triple barb, one lady cleric and 2 burly barbs. What are we thinking?

[solar glade]

[fiery ledge]

Like, in general? Yeah. (didnt mean to @ you, was for the threesome comment)

Oh, we're talking like in game - damn.

I mean, I've been fiending for war maul cleric or bardibarb

[solar glade]

I may actually need some help for an idea I had with 3 rogues, making an invisible wall at the 4 trap spot where you need to jump across the room

[fiery ledge]

Or 3 fighters with invis pots, spears, and adrenal rush
or 3 clerics with invis pots and judgement

[solar glade]

Just all 3 stealth at the jump spot haha, and that also works

[fiery ledge]

You know the secret crawl spots near the two mages that have all those spike traps around them? 3 rogues in there (prison shank death)

or really just any secret tunnel/crawl area - but i really like that inviswall idea

What about Arc Rod Skeleton 2x Wizard +1x Barb

[atomic mountain]

I am down for anything funny or innovative

[fiery ledge]

Be barb
Build for Magic Resist and Health
Have two wizards nearby
Pretend to be afk
Person gets near
2x Chain Lightning with instacast
Profit?????

[atomic mountain]

Hell yeah, I love a lightning rod Barb

I want to do some naked runs on a female elf wizard with a voice changer. Bait them in “Im a helpless woman please help me”
Suddenly go invis
Boom 2 invis homies pop out

[fiery ledge]

They chase you around the corner and your voice changer goes from soft female to Debo from Ice Cube's friday - "what bicycle"

They're like "I want to apologize"

[atomic mountain]

Lmao

[stoic thorn]

What do yous think about seasonal themed bosses/mini bosses to go with the seasonal currency? For example a headless horseman for Halloween. A giant "ratbit" for Easter. Krampus for Christmas. Just a cool idea I had and maybe they could drop items unique to them and more seasonal currency.

[atomic mountain]

#game-discussion message

[stoic thorn]

Osht we're part of a hive mind

[atomic mountain]

Yes sir lmao

[pulsar tide]

I think it would be neat if you could permanently lose limbs and have to replace them

You would be forced to use one handed weapons or get a serious walking de buff until you buy a prosthetic from an artificer

[frigid current]

Dunno if it's been posted here and if so let me know and I'm happy to delete this message. But since we have caster skeles, ranged skeles, and champ skeles. Is there a chance we'll have trumpet skeles for bard loot?

[fiery ledge]

That'd be cool. A skeleton that if you wake up it plays music that summons other nearby dead creatures. Or makes them stronger. I've not seen the suggestion but its certainly worth a polish and an upvote.

[coral stratus]

Nah it just sneaks up behind you and blasts it's trumpet in your ear

[frigid current]

Menacingly doots in the distance

[atomic mountain]

I could definitely see a drum boy skeleton bonking with his drum sticks

[stoic thorn]

Cleric skellies that heal other skellies

[frigid current]

I feel like cleric should be a no. (Not only from the fact I hate big healer mobs like any sane person) but doesn't holy magic dmg them? Maybe instead we could have a necro skele that brings them back but with like 1/4 hp

Then, if you kill mr. necro any reanimated mobs will crumble

[granite plinth]

Yes thats what i suggested. A pirate map with a king of the pirates that drops special loot with pirate booty coins. But it seems people were not fond of it

[stoic thorn]

Please stop
Lmao

[granite plinth]

.... u are from eryk server troll i guess

[coral stratus]

Lmao

The way the current map set up is, something like that braukul is far off

[frigid current]

Braukul?

[coral stratus]

The guy with the anime pfp,i forget what it's called

[frigid current]

Gotchu, i thought it might have been an idea tossed in one of the early Qa's or somethin' lol. Being big dumb over here.

[white cliff]

He’s a troll, been here since PT2.

[coral stratus]

Gotchya

[white cliff]

Harmless compared to most that’s why he’s not banned lol.

[mental lance]

Suggestion was so bad that they disabled new suggestions

[frigid current]

BTW how does that system work? Need a specific rank or something? (Not trying to post one. Jw)

[ripe haven]

This is why we needed an offline mode.

[atomic mountain]

“Suggestions were being abused to make comments about the Nexon thingy. Things got seriously heavy in the past 2 days therefore, we had to take a bit more extreme measures by taking it down.

It should be back to normal soon 🙂”
-Tavern Master Mellie

[frigid current]

Thanks ❤️

[granite plinth]

Oh that is great to hear. Ive been thinking about lots of things lately that could help improve the game

[atomic mountain]

Dark and Dolan
Your ultimate source for
World Champion level Discord info

[frigid current]

Take that king

BTW could anyone inform me (if it's been said by devs) if they plan to do any more skins? (Like skeles) that affect stats?

Cause they need to make money, I just hope their careful

[granite plinth]

No p2w

[frigid current]

What about earned tho? I know you had to get some kind of prestig to get that skin. (The skeleton) And it had a -20 phys armor +20 mage armour

[gusty night]

will we still have the skeleton in the next playtest?

[mental lance]

I want a dwarf race that’s super easy to headshot

[frigid current]

I feel it, but I worry it's gonna be like odd job in Golden eye

[mental lance]

I don’t think it would be op in this game

[coral stratus]

nah it screws with everyone's understanding of attacking even for melee classes, not sure what's necessary to balance it

im a dwarf enjoyer but i think itd be broken

[frigid current]

Only "fix" I could image is making it standard height. But at that point are you even a dwarf?

[hoary shard]

cant make suggestions anymore?

[frigid current]

@atomic mountain drop it king

[atomic mountain]

#suggestion-discussion message

[gloomy cradle]

I'm jealous of Cleric's voice line too

[mental lance]

You couldnt headshot people if you were a dwarf and you get easily headshotted. I think it balances out.

[dry tusk]

We had the skeleton skin in the 3rd playtest, and they kept it in the 4th playtest and added new ones. We can assume they will keep it and possible add more .

[crimson flax]

Nice

[ripe haven]

Mico bestia uhlein

[karmic violet]

Hm
Can't suggest

[mental lance]

Windows Mika
Windows Vista
Windows Julien

[karmic violet]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=b6hZy_lGLSY&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

I wish buckler would function less as a shield but more as a parry

Or more Inline with the I.33 fight manual.

[bleak monolith]

Blue portals that have a tiny chance to send you to an awesome vault with semi good gear depending on what map you play
Very rare like 1/50 or higher

[fiery ledge]

Cleric puts its hands together... suddenly, the holy hand grenade.

[steep ocean]

Stop man, you are a disgrace to this community

[dry tusk]

Whenever the bard is released, as long as you have the skeleton skin on, every musical instrument you play should just make the trumpet ‘doot’ sound.

[little crane]

i will take the water part of the theme and say what about a water dragon as a boss? with a small treasure room afterwards with loot?

[mental lance]

A deadmines-like map would be cool. That’s as far as id go with a pirate theme

[olive dust]

Suggestion: Please create a 4th Level to the dungeon and it is the location of the last boss…of course, this boss is named Nexon. Its ultimate skill is to slowly drain your gold and loot the longer you fight him. If you don’t beat him within X time limit, you leave the dungeon naked.

[white cliff]

Water in video games is usually horrible.

[little crane]

maybe make it a secret/easter egg boss

[white cliff]

Pretty safe to say dev work is halted till this is resolved.

[faint dirge]

Calling it Nexon might be problematic i would go for Noxen

[smoky yoke]

yea true
especially the waterfalls also

[little crane]

and make it have deepend gacha sounds, deepend enough to sound monsterous but when you put it through an audio editor and up the pitch it sounds like a gacha character

[fair yew]

no its not.

[fair yew]

lol that was badass

[trim dock]

the boss dr. livesey walk at the end is what sealed the deal, legendary

[stoic thorn]

If they add lootboxes I hope they're purchased from the goblin merchant with gold and is something similar to idk ow lootboxes

[silver umbra]

I'm hoping for a pay to win feature, like buy gold or somethin

[mossy ruin]

I hope when I die I can spend 99cents to revive my character and wipe the lobby, of course you have to do it last or the next person who clicks it and spends 99cents gets you 😠

[silver umbra]

nah too pay to win, let us buy the tools for us to succeed is what I'm more after. Instead of forcing us to grind, that way I can just run around in high tier gear and die slower

[dusky field]

No insurance, no safety, no buying gear with money.

Also get rid of health potion stacking. Thanks for coming to my tedtalk

[mossy ruin]

Sounds like kit PvP, thats not this genre as far as im concerned. Thats literally mordhau or call of duty, etc. But your twist of how the kit PvP is presented creates a dynamic of redundant gameplay for the primary gameplay loop, it would alienate a MASSIVE portion of the playerbase and it doesn't even fall in line with P2W features that people who actually like them would be interested in. But if thats something you want, 👍 I disagree.

[dusky field]

Man, I'll be honest, I wouldn't mind if they made this game similar to Mordhau with some sort of animation locking to avoid the spine-breaking, silly-looking spins and pirouettes. But I know that's not everyone's cup of tea

Also screw health-potion-stacking. Thanks for coming to my tedtalk

[crimson flax]

I should join in on the fasting to praise Ironmace for not listening to any Mordhau, Chiv, or Tarkov fans

[stoic thorn]

I swear some of you guys just read the first 4 words of my post then think I'm trolling with very little comprehension of what im actually saying. What's wrong with a lootbox system if it uses in game currency? What I'm suggesting is the goblin merchant currently except you get 3 items instead of one and they're random.

[crimson flax]

🥷 s out here like "they need to add spine-based rotation and turn speeds, inertia, quicksteps, physics based weapon swings, directional based attacks, make pvp optional, give every enemy a ranged attack, make pavises on your back remove damage, add shield bashes, remove CC, dont allow players to have more than 3 buffs, remove debuffs, reduce movespeed by half, add in overencumberance, hard weight limit, remove wizard and barbarian, remove consumable stacking, remove gear stats, make all gear art different (lets add death knight runes and crazy maplestory effects to an epic rarity fork), every helmet affects which consumables you can use and how much you can see, make extractions take 30 seconds, and buff dragging so i can be rupaul" like bro please, no more

i would unironically take braukul's suggestions over some of the ones that get posted seriously on here. some of these people take a look at what they typed and go "yeah thats good. im gonna defend this for the next 40 minutes" like bruh

[mossy ruin]

I mean a lot of people praise the combat system we have because its so simple. But its clearly not going to be this way long term, I fully expect an inertia system for swing cursor movement and strafing movement and that will completely change how it feels. Mordhau is overly complex, but DaD is clearly just hold W, swing, back step, spin mouse and aim. Crazy stuff

Optimally you are only holding W, or at least trying to hold W as much as possible since forward speed is faster so if you need to back pedal you should hold W and turn, which is goofy af. I think moving forward should be faster, but turning instantly is very ugly

[crimson flax]

so im just going to ask. have you actually seen anyone seriously try this spin around strat and actually be effective? or is this like throwing axes where the data doesn't even support it being as CLOSE as popular as people say

[ancient jacinth]

haha. i came here to clear the two notifications of new mentions. This is a pretty funny read.

Play or dont. Get trolled or dont

[crimson flax]

i hope my sperging out provided you with lots of entertainment before i go collapse from dehydration

[ancient jacinth]

Loved it working Union Man. Seriously

[crimson flax]

🙇

anyway i do agree that combat can definitely be tweaked and have its skill capped raise, but the people who want to entire rework things is pretty ridiculous overall

[ancient jacinth]

even with "simple movement" this is a skill based game. Its obvious if you play it

[crimson flax]

yeah and i would rather not have that change to nearly a different game while we're basically in its infancy, just silly imo

[ancient jacinth]

i invite pay to win even thou it will ruin parts of the game. Will be much easier to get geared when people are paying to win. eventually there will be a ranking system i am sure. That should sort most of this out

[night spindle]

Something that i feel would be nice (mabey im still salty from accidently doing it 1 too many times) would be to have a auto stashing of gold if you try to enter a dungeon with gold

[crimson flax]

they mentioned they dont want to do an MMR system, but I wouldn't be surprised if there ends up being a ladder where higher-end players can interact one way or another, im sure they've got something thought of

[ancient jacinth]

yeah ive done that as well even after the alert that says check your inv

[night spindle]

Im not too good (yet, hopefully, screw you nexon) and i finaly got out and sold most of my things, bought some cool things them immediately went into a dungeon to get 1 tapped by a barb and relize i had my gold on me (free gold for him i guess)

[ancient jacinth]

Suggestions and me being entertained by silly ones aside....The last play test was the first time ive taken off work for a beta, alpha, or playtest period. I am excited for the next one. Its a great game. i think the solo dungeon made it quite a bit harder to single queue, but thats not Ironmace fault. Thats mine for not playing with my friends cause of the stress the game can put on a real life relationship

[onyx sundial]

guys what happen to the suggestions

[ancient jacinth]

this is the discussion. https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486

[onyx sundial]

what

[swift salmon]

That last guy made such a bad suggestion that they got rid of them

[ancient jacinth]

no. read the channel. This is a discussion. If you want to suggest something its the link i provided

[chrome marsh]

not sure how to make a suggestion in the other chat so imma make one here

Fix the bug where ranged skeletons will still shoot you with headshot-level accuracy after you hide, it removes the ability for rogue to escape situations like that and it just doesn’t make sense. Also, just make it so they’re able to MISS their shots, especially the 2 quick shots.

[onyx sundial]

dw kapt is illiterate you cant make any suggestions atm

the channel was closed

[chrome marsh]

alr but my suggestion point still stands

[onyx sundial]

i wasn't dissing your comment i was just letting u know the real thingy is closed

[white cliff]

The most sane dark and darker player.

[crimson flax]

Haven't even gotten to the part where we need guns

[winter jacinth]

they miss their shot if you side step and switch direction in between each shot, if you are not too close to them like 2m i think, too close if I recall you get hit even with the sidesteps or even if you change direction at the perfect moment, so use corners at your advantage and hide when needed, sidestep when needed, there's even a way to crouch under their shot but I wasn't good enough for this one so I don't recommend it, honestly i dont think they should change it, this game is hard and is supposed to be, the more knowledge you get about the mechanics the easier it get

[barren whale]

게임 개처망했노 ㅋㅋ

[graceful frost]

I mean they should still make going invis stop archers from shooting

[faint dirge]

When i played rogue 80% of my deaths were because i did not knew that archers will still shoot me

[atomic mountain]

It would probably be a good idea to turn it on and off from time to time.
Would cut back on troll suggestions, and give people time to critically think about their light bulb ideas before posting them up.
Thereby we'd have less quantity, but more quality (and unique) ideas.

[iron fractal]

just like your posts hence why youre blocked

[atomic mountain]

Emotional fragility is for classes with less HP.
You cannot test my mettle puny one.

[boreal rivet]

What do you guys think about cursed gear but it has a large buff? like 200% dmg but 25% hp for example

[glacial sphinx]

sounds like it'd create terrible gameplay, hugely favouring ranged and invis/stealth classes

its the current damage meta dialed up to 11

[faint dirge]

That was only 1 example

Horrible if these are major stat changes (like u described)
The current system but introducing rolls that can be -stats might be interesting to test

[glacial sphinx]

sure I don't necessarily mind if an item gets an extra +2 str for example when it has -3 agi on it. I think it would need to be a slight net negative to total stat exchange to be interesting though, allowing you to hyperspecialize at the cost of overall power. In a way this is already in the game via for example high armor stuff granting more negative movespeed

[vagrant cape]

I'm not entirely sure that's a bug, it might be intentional.

Back in D&D 3.5e undead had this thing called life sense, where they didn't really see you, so much as could detect your presence by virtue of being alive.

So hiding isn't true invisibility it doesn't shed awareness for the more keenly perceptive undead (archer skellys)

But the spell invisibility/invisibility potions do because they magically conceal you.

[vagrant cape]

Crouching and looking down/up helps a ton with this. The really skilled guya just crouch last second, but moving your head position wildly removes the chance of a headshot.

Sometimes I will run past the wraith+champion+4 archer skelly room in the middle of forgotten castle low roller, and I'll do a rave headbang as I run through and maybe only catch 1 arrow in the arm, its great!

[grim fiber]

Even doing a 90 degree turn it's fine, you will get in the arm/leg for like 25% of the dmg

[vagrant cape]

True, I just find the headbob works great cause you don't reduce your speed, just chaotically slamming your mouse forward and backward as you run for dear life.

Plus side it may make whoever is chasing you pause to laugh.

[grim fiber]

Well better laugh than a bodyshot, after a bit i notice decent ranger will change timing/aim after the first time you "duck"

[boreal rivet]

They don't have to be direct Stat changes either. Maybe a ring that slowly Regens spells but lowers your spell cap (so 5 magic missiles to 4)

[boreal rivet]

Also it some would definitely be restricted to certain weapons

[shell mountain]

What about just a simple addition like adding one of the basic stats by 1-5 each armor above white has a small chance for 1-5 of the basic stats idk

Like say green lightfoot boots have idk a 2 Ressorfulness addition to them

[fiery ledge]

Could bring more attention to less favored gear combos - ie lightfoot boots being already very favored over other boots, I'm sure there's merit to the idea that the devs have already thought about or are already thinking about etc etc

[grizzled halo]

Indeed i dont use any other boots. its simply not worth it. No stat is better than more move speed

[fiery ledge]

The days I'm happiest is when its lightfoots with +movement and %movement rolls above 4

[grizzled halo]

yea i bought legendary lightfoot with eh base speed being like what, 13 or 11. I forgot. But they had +4 move speed. Guy sold them too me for 500g .... people dont understand value 😄

[fiery ledge]

i'd probably take a break to use the restroom after that

[shell mountain]

I'm just some skeletons wearing leather gloves and Lightfoot boots I'd kill a man for some unique Lightfoot boots

[fiery ledge]

pt was lackin on gloves and boots :\

[grizzled halo]

Zoomies build

Well i think the big issue is like you say. Id run white lightfood over blue heavy or smth

[fiery ledge]

I'd rather sit in trade for 2 hours than go in without lightfoots

[shell mountain]

I'd rather run any amount of speed items just so I can be a pussy and run jab run jab run jab

[fiery ledge]

the other sound alternative is crappy old shoes

[grizzled halo]

i played wizard rogue and fighter. no matter which i still went lightfoot. But id settle for white ones with no stats too. It wasn't a must have for me. But i just never considered other boots. stats or not.

[fiery ledge]

I also dont think their intention is for gloves or boots to be the primary source of a stat stick
could be wrong, probably will be at some point if im not already

[grizzled halo]

well they are the only stat sticks as far as i am concerned. rings and neck too but still.

[fiery ledge]

but look at the availability of them as well as the strength of them in the face of rings/amulets

although i am aware of the naked builds

[grizzled halo]

i played exclusively naked unless i had god roll damage items or neutral / near neutral speed items. So cloth with a little bonus armor and speed to neutralize its own speed penalty.

[fiery ledge]

Most times for blue gloves/boots, you'll get more stats from any singular ring or amulet than gloves or boots - like, most times blue gloves or boots compares to rings or amulets is when it outranks them in rarity and even then, that only starts to happen in unique/legendary

[grizzled halo]

Uhm. I cant remember that honestly. You may be right. But i have had some sick stats on epic gloves and they were way cheaper than rings,

one thing that bothered me was that i had 80% necks 20% rings. And rings had 2 slots to make the imbalance even worse. that loot balance was messed up

[fiery ledge]

with rawhide/leather you get the base stat but it never climbs over a point, whereas with jewelry, you get higher roll caps on the base stat

[grizzled halo]

oh you mean the base stat is locked at 1. i see.

[fiery ledge]

Ye, was feeding back into my old point about particular items getting increases to stats (and how it can skew the markets/metas/etc), bringing them more attention than say lightfoots because of how much more choice those are. Like, if the other boots got buffed, I might consider abandoning my love for lightfoots

[grizzled halo]

Idk. i will always favor speed no matter what. Unless they make a special glove with alot of door speed increase 😄

[fiery ledge]

But with other sets of gear, there's always the chance that you might have that one combination of stats that opens up the possibility of non lightfoots because of whatever movement speed you could be at- and one day you might see a bitchin set of leather boots that you know you'd outrun someone in lightfoots with.

But otherwise wouldnt happen because of how the system is now, of course you'd need a lot of stats to get there unless you were say a class like rogue who has high base agi

[shell mountain]

New gear idea SUPER speed boots unique quality version of Lightfoot boots but they increase movement by a ton like 20 movement speed and only speed buffs on those boots I feel like every item in DaD should have a special unique version but I just want unique Lightfoot boots with 20 or more movement speed

[grizzled halo]

• 50 speed minus 10 all attributes.

[shell mountain]

Never seen a unique give the user a debuff guess there's always a first

[fiery ledge]

People have been asking for cursed items "sort of"

[grizzled halo]

skins did. so why not min max items. The fun idea with min / max items is that you get the highest of one stat while loosing more overall in terms of a balanced stat build.

[shell mountain]

Oh yeah I don't care if the skeleton skin makes me take more damage I still use that thing till I die again and again and again

And not gonna lie I like that idea maybe some of the "basic" gear gives you high amount of the listed Stat say leather gloves agility is increased to about 20 or so but decreases other stats randomly? There's probably a lot of work needed to balance that a bit more

[grizzled halo]

Amateur. The elf skin was for us true speed lovers.

[shell mountain]

Yeah I know I just love silly spooky scary skeletons

[grizzled halo]

Well. Elf skin was pretty much just an Agon targaryan skin so you could always make memes about stealing back the throne that those pesky rebellers took from your family.

[vagrant cape]

Elf skin made for a fun Witcher Cosplay using Longsword + Zweihander as fighter

[shell mountain]

If I had a dime for every elf skin I saw I'd be rich and if I had another dime for every elf skin I saw that was a female and their character was actually a dude I'd be even richer

[grizzled halo]

i saw more skellies tbh

[shell mountain]

Yeah near the end of the playtest I saw more skeletons but near the beginning nearly a day or 2 in there were at least 2-4 each match

[grizzled halo]

idk, maybe its cus you dont notice an elf with gear, but a skelly face is still skelly

[shell mountain]

It's obvious when you see a skeleton but for the elf you have to look at their ears most of the time you can't see the ears so nobody ever knows I'd personally like it if they add more skeleton colors like black for nightmare Skeletons probably costing 10,000 Adventure currency

[fiery ledge]

I think elves are kind of obvious. Its the difference between wood glue and elmer's

[thick inlet]

Give us the Green Torchlight!

[shell mountain]

Purple torch please

[grizzled halo]

Black would be way too op for rogue man

i already think that black items should have lower stats for that reason alone man 🙂

[shell mountain]

Yeah now that you say that maybe just every color but black

Purple skeleton op

[woeful holly]

ye give them a handicap and they might be able to see u

[grizzled halo]

bro imagine a "assasins" set. With terrible stats, but all black, barely even eyes visible. i would run it. even with the much lower stats.

[shell mountain]

Black skeleton skin sets your health to 5

[grizzled halo]

Nah that will be the Faerie skin or midget skin. tiny hitbox. instant death.

i want to see a fearie flying with 20 zap spell count, 80% damage reduction etc. 😄

just some little annoyance that kills you if you ignore it for too long. Takes like 12 zaps for it to kill you 😄

[shell mountain]

Zap gets really good if you increase your fire damage and have debuff duration bonus just burns through their health

[grizzled halo]

Actually alot of people are saying fire specialty didnt work. I thought it did so too. but they may be right about it only being for ignite and fireball

[shell mountain]

Oh wait yeah I forgot it counts as a light spell for some reason

[grizzled halo]

ye i knew the base damage. but that the burn didnt either was what got me surpise

[woeful holly]

because zap isn't fire

[grizzled halo]

its not. but if you get hit by intense light, the "burn" effect is fire right 🙂

[woeful holly]

thats a after affect

[shell mountain]

The zap says it deals magic burn damage or something over a certain period of time

[fiery ledge]

the zap does whatever it wants to

[grizzled halo]

I hope they never add a flamethrower or some other g a y non-skill stuff. Zap is already enough free hit for this game

[fiery ledge]

You could try ice blast.

[mental lance]

Being black isnt an advantage anyway because some players just crank their gamma up

[grizzled halo]

that didnt work for me. the darkness could not be manipulated on my end?

[mental lance]

I had players find me in totally dark areas so idk

[grizzled halo]

Potions in your belt. rupture active. there is a lot of light effects

[mental lance]

Neither

[grizzled halo]

poison blade can also be seen.

[shell mountain]

Yeah in DaD they specifically made it so you can't see in the darkness unlike minecraft unless you have what Lenny said

[atomic mountain]

More like ice bust 🥶
We love shooting spells

[mental lance]

Yes and I made sure I had nothing visible.

[grizzled halo]

Hmmm. How long did you sit there. and did you move after they got close. i have hawk ears i will hear any step.

[shell mountain]

Probably either a cheater or just some lucky mf

[atomic mountain]

They could smell you Kobie 🫣

[mental lance]

They rushed me across a room while I was in a dark area so i doubt they heard me

[atomic mountain]

They had that scooby doo perk

[shell mountain]

We're any torches on near you?

[grizzled halo]

Where you up against a wall. Like dark wall behind you

oh and also important. did they hit you straight away, or just like generally engage the area. because turned of torches will sometimes be met with a fireball

[mental lance]

I was against a dark wall

[grizzled halo]

id love if you had the clip somewhere

[mental lance]

Unfortunately not

[grizzled halo]

well i definetly dont disbelieve you. Any playtest will have alot of soft cheaters. whether they found a way to goof the darkness by deleting a file etc or straight up walling is all possible. But i dont think it was gamma.

[shell mountain]

Yeah darkness isn't really effected in DaD it changes a little but isn't game breaking in anyway

[grizzled halo]

i fiddled with monitor settings and game settings, maybe on your card can you do something idk. but i never saw a guide on it

[woeful holly]

I mean, dose my good eye sight count in and being hyper perspective didn't really have many moments off people hiding in the dark I feel like

[grizzled halo]

It all depends on your speed and awareness. Slow players will get ambushed, people that dont notice the dark will get ambushed. I never got dark ambushed outside of the first 2 rogues i ran into .after that i realised that the dark means someone turned of the lights.

[shell mountain]

One of the main points of the game is using the darkness to your advantage blinding your enemy jabbing them in the tits stealing their loot die to a barbarian

[grizzled halo]

if the rogue ever get choke bombs it will make for some crazy fights. Choke bomb as in a bag of dust that chokes a torch. Throw it on torches mid fight and vanish

[woeful holly]

that be good or just a bag with sand or something

[grizzled halo]

Can say from experience sand will not work 🙂

[woeful holly]

lmao haha lets use dirt then xD

[shell mountain]

POCKET SAND!

[grizzled halo]

nah its gotta be some dry dust i think idk. but with sand you would need alot of it. like when you choke a campfire you have to cover alot of surfaces to choke it

i think fireballs should also turn them of. blast would blow it out for sure

[shell mountain]

Dry and flames don't equal good that's how you spread a fire just give Rouge a bucket of water splash enemies

[grizzled halo]

true. What but there is an actual bomb design to kill fire with powder. ill find it holdo n

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbDTbb1M1gA&ab_channel=ELIDEFIREextinguishingball

[shell mountain]

Hm probably dirt in machining they've told me hundreds of times dry, oxygen, fuel sorce, and heat equal fire

If those 4 combine they equal a fire leading to a whole situation at a machine shop so many things to keep in mind who to ask and where to go

[winter jacinth]

what about making enchanted bolts with water that the rogue can use with the 1 hand crossy and turn off torches that way? its a old mechanic from a game i dont remember the name of

[vagrant cape]

Thief is the name

[limber idol]

Please make this game
#dnd-fan-art message

[white cliff]

@winter idol Those are trolls just as a heads up, feel free to sort their messages.

[brittle patrol]

lel

[warped kraken]

In game/raid traders for better utility.. blue bandages- blue red pots etc etc for gold or a trade (

[deep steeple]

Tarkov nerd detected

[atomic mountain]

Which if your suggestions shall I unceremoniously attack first?

[warped kraken]

I deleted my kappa this wipe.. leave me alone ;( I need to cope

[deep steeple]

Some of y'all need to learn to code and then make escape from the darkness (Tarkov's prequel)

Although Nexon might sue you ;)

[vestal oasis]

some people need to stop making suggestions that would ruin the game completely and give the game a whole other purpose...
it has to stay the same, with **small ** adjustments

[lucid root]

not many suggestions going on in general

[shell mountain]

If someone does suggest something there will be a mass amount of hate and trolls there to insult and hurt the person suggesting something

[thick inlet]

We need a "Stash Gold" Button

[lucid root]

quick stack button like terraria

stash management isn't really all that time consuming, wouldn't hurt though

[smoky yoke]

[glacial sphinx]

interacting with loot is part of the experience imo, it makes items feel real so I don't think its necessary or good to automate it

[thick inlet]

Just when you sell all your stuff to stash your gold. Thats it

Its not a experience to click all that gold one by one

I dont want a button to loot everything

[glacial sphinx]

it gives it more weight, I think it does matter and you can shift click it pretty fast anyway

but its not the biggest thing either ofc

[thick inlet]

I dont know what to say

[glacial sphinx]

Its fine don't need to agree, I think a lot of people wont understand or agree with the point. But you can turn gold from an actual object into something abstract very easily with just changing stuff like that. Making it auto put into inventory is one thing, then the next is just storing it as a number rather than having it take up inventory space.

[thick inlet]

Wouldnt hurt when they`re not implement it. Im fine how it works. Just a suggestion

[glacial sphinx]

yeah totally fair, just trying to add some consideration to something that isnt super obvious

If they do end up doing it i'd still enjoy the game just fine

[lucid root]

i think someone made a suggestion to just have gold auto stacked to your stash when you sell

which it seems like it should do that anyway, unless theres no space left

[inner thorn]

Yeah there was a big discussion about adding or not weight system to inventory before in this chat (there are ui place to it).

I think it woud balance some problems with heavy armoured classes and prevent item inflation for some grade

But people who want more fast gameplay dont like the idea

Also actual feeling of the item make the idea of surviving the dungeon more exiting. Like you got your first loot after 10 initial death while fighting with players with purple gear as a new player and you value this loot much more

[deep steeple]

The game is already incredibly slow lol

[lucid root]

so how is the weight system actually supposed to work, like shit in your inventory slows you down?

[pseudo wing]

we don't know rlly. it slows u down and makes u lose stamina faster in tarkov but this ain't tarkov obviously

[lucid root]

hmm, i'm game for testing it out

highroller pvp gets ridiculously fast so i'm curious to see how it affects that

[atomic mountain]

Could also be utilized to discourage carrying an obnoxious amount if consumables and utility items

[lucid root]

more of a hindrance really taking in too many consumables, i feel like they want weight system to work there just doesn't seem like a meaningful way to add it right now

[pseudo wing]

personally I don't like the ways I can think of implementing weight. But I'm certainly willing to test it out. Also in tarkov everyone wants the same armor etc. so weight distributions impact people equally. In this game if wizard gear is super light for xample it's easier to carry out wizard gear than plate armor which has gameplay impact. But maybe they want that impact.

[lucid root]

might be useful against people who bring separate bossing gear, like if you run with a pavise in your inventory it just maxes you out instantly

idk why i said havel lol meant pavise

[obtuse crane]

isent this the purpose of negative move speed ?

[lucid root]

if its in your inventory nah

that was just one example, not really any other reasons i can come up with

[granite plinth]

Weight could be added as a slider to character selection screen like other games so that you can have a realistic body model

[lucid root]

fat wizard meta

[pseudo wing]

if body model = hitbox my character is gonna be an anorexic gnome

[lucid root]

relates to a discussion we had about hitboxes for different races. like if a gnome has gnome hitboxes then they could gimp their movespeed and jump height or something

can't even jump on a barrel, pathetic

[wet onyx]

add fishing god damnit

[lucid root]

can't have fishing without sea shanty 2

[tight gale]

Anyone got tips for highroller pvp? Or pvp in general

[gaunt prism]

hide in a corner til the last 3 minutes and then ambush the stragglers or just loot the plethora of unlooted corpses.

[floral maple]

I was thinking they should add old medieval kettle helmets for Rangers. Would give Rangers an actual somewhat decent piece of head armor while also being historically accurate. Rangers don't have that many choices when it comes to gear especially when it comes to headwear, so adding another piece of headwear for Rangers would be awesome.

[lucid root]

maybe a chainmail coif?

[floral maple]

That could be cool too, I just feel like there needs to be something helmet wise added for ranger. It just makes sense. I am not gonna lie, I was saying the medieval kettle helmet though because I think it looks cool, it's somewhat historically accurate to what archers would wear, and also I remember having a Lego character with one when I was a kid. Lmao

I wish I could send a picture of the exact helmet I am talking about but all these trolls ruined this discord and made it so difficult for people to share their ideas.

[faint dirge]

Send the picture in #off-topic-archive and link the message

[lucid root]

general has always been pretty bad, game discussion mostly good, suggestions is where most of the good conversations have been had, things will be back to normal after the next playtest i think (the pre-nexon troll levels)

[atomic mountain]

#suggestion-discussion On Top 💪

[floral maple]

#off-topic-archive message This is the kind of helmet I am talking about. It's sort of like the kettle helmet that Clerics can wear, but it is more flat and has a bigger brim.

[lucid root]

looks like something a crossbow archer would use, putting my stronghold crusader knowledge to use

[pallid sleet]

And Wizard chat is beyond based

[lucid root]

its been infiltrated by stinky rogues and such

[atomic mountain]

Except for you know who (Mr A)

[pallid sleet]

Sooo true

[atomic mountain]

I’ve been doing my best to keep the Muggles in line

Like look at this rambling Muggle-Speach

#wizard message

[lucid root]

don't be jealous, he's just achieved a higher state of consciousness

[pallid sleet]

man I read that the other night that boys brain is built different

[pallid sleet]

He went so far south he ended up north 🙏

[atomic mountain]

Yo he legit started posting information about improvise explosives with no previous context, just out of the blue

[pallid sleet]

SAW THAT TOO LMAOOO, posts shit that has nothin to do with wizardry, makin waffles and shit

[lucid root]

these nexon plants are getting weird

[pallid sleet]

They're unleashing the femboys oh god

[lucid root]

"this just in, dark and darker community associated with terrorism?"

[atomic mountain]

#wizard message
It was right above this that’s where the mod came in and deleted all the links that he sent

But it came from nowhere that’s what blew me away

[pallid sleet]

"this isnt middle school" well u sure act like it

[lucid root]

there's always that one kid...

[pallid sleet]

DND Femboy Bomber, I can see the headline

[atomic mountain]

Scroll down from here and watch me burn him with multiple Fireballs

#wizard message

He’s built diff, But it sure is fun to roast him xD He just don’t care

[lucid root]

pretty sure the mods need to remove only your cooldown timer in general chat so you can just go ham

[pallid sleet]

You were given me a good giggle last night lmao

[atomic mountain]

[pallid sleet]

Speakin a' giggles m8 you should peep my vid in wiz chat 👀

[fiery ledge]

You guys realize this discord is a WMD Terror organization? Look how many people are asking for legalized nuclear bombs

[floral maple]

That's what I am saying. It would give rangers an actual good helmet instead of just the bad ones they have now like ranger hood and leather hood.

[obtuse crane]

wym? my 2ed amendment right to keep and bear arm's includes nuclear weapon's....... no better meadiator then mutual destruction. doesent matter if its a 22lr or lil boy. just gotta pay my 5$ nfa tax under destrucatble devices. not much different then claymore's and gernades.......

[obtuse crane]

we need at plaqe in the tavern with the # engraved for the amount of times the word annoucement was spoken in general chat on this day, to drink to in the future on a pregame lobby into the dungeon.

[vestal trench]

Hi @dawn grotto I don't know if it's been suggested, or if it's needed, but you have a MASSIVE group of people who are rooting for you guys and willing to support you. I believe I speak for a good number of the community when I say we are here to help if you need it. If you need financial support for legal troubles, I think you should consider starting a GoFundMe. I know it doesn't seem like your style, but given the circumstance, I think many of us would rather chip in a little bit to help with litigation if it means Ironmace has a fair chance against a behemoth like Nexon.It doesn't need to be connected to Dark and Darker in any way as far as I'm concerned, and could likely cause more problems if it was connected in the foreseeable future.

[vestal trench]

I'll be sick to my stomach if this project disappears because a mega corporation like Nexon litigates you into oblivion.

[obsidian elbow]

That would be a very cringe way to go

[snow dirge]

what if there were a perk for rogue that let him crouch around without alerting pve monsters, like take creep and just add that on. mans rolled a 20 on steath what can we say

[vestal halo]

must have been the wind

[gray jungle]

Did I hear something?

[snow dirge]

makes as much sense as a barbarian just existing and scaring off mindless undead

[vestal halo]

Rogues already have a reset button on monster aggro which is pretty strong when used well

[snow dirge]

i dont think making them unagro would be the play tho just make it so if you didnt trigger them from the start

would just let rogues pick their fights easier with pve

plus imagine getting into an unagroed room thinking your safe only for 3 sneaky boys to pop out

[vestal halo]

so rogues would be able to access any chest with no consequence

[snow dirge]

which is pretty rogue

[vestal halo]

I dont disagree, it just a very strong advantage over other classes

[snow dirge]

rn i feel like rogue is the weakest class
esp when people get used to checking corners

[vestal halo]

It's really not, it is one of the hardest to master tho

Which is why it's getting buffed in next playtest - it also had the weakest starter gear

[snow dirge]

expert rogue vs expert wiz or barb the barb or wiz win

[vestal halo]

rogue is situational so no, not necessarily

Vs barb or fighter with good reaction time, possibly lose, wizard get melted though

[snow dirge]

only if you surprise em, with light you can be popped out of hide and with their aoe/ranged options its really hard to maneuver around

[mossy ruin]

the only wizards who run light are 3mans or 10 spells, which are both fine to wizard to exist in but the former isn't common and the latter isn't common sooo getting hide broken isn't common. Besides even if wizards did use light orb more, its not like they are gunna brighten your direction at the time you are hiding. If a wizard knows where you are, then just walk away, if hes in a 3man, his teammates will face check you. If no one knows, wizard IS very vulnerable to rogue. But yes, ideally wizard knows and avoids/casts at you, but we have WASD and 🧠 to literally go somewhere else. Any player can disengage if they are discovered trying to set up a gank and get found out at range.

[granite plinth]

Hello guys i thought of something excellent today to add to the game while taking a shower. Where can i make the suggestion?

[snow dirge]

right here man

[granite plinth]

On hear me out. We could add pokemon battles with critters in the dungeon so you can like start of with a rat and the closer the the portals u are more likely to find rarer pokemons which the best of them is the blue eyed white dragon pokemon that enhances ur strength and magic abilities. What do u think?

[mossy ruin]

definitely an idea, any reason you have mixed up pokemon with yugioh?

[granite plinth]

Blue eyed white dragon is soo cool, so he should be final boss of pokemons. Also this good idea for achievement called "Side Hustle"

[pallid sleet]

Knockin it out of the park lately brau'kul, I'd like to see a hybrid mode between your previous pirate idea and your pokemon idea, sailing the seas finding rare water type pokemon to defeat the pirate king and get his treasure!

[granite plinth]

Thank you guys for support and good comments i may think about later 👍

[amber eagle]

a pets channel for people to share pics of pets if they want! ❤️

[opaque slate]

#d-and-d-suggestions message yo wtf this sugg used to have like 500 downvotes and now theyre all gone

[soft fox]

He deleted msg and reposted XD

[opaque slate]

notice how its by the bot, not him

[atomic mountain]

What in the….

[mental lance]

Guess yall want the pirate map after all

[atomic mountain]

Fuck it, why not

[mental lance]

Cant wait to play gunboy

[atomic mountain]

I bet those devil fruits are gonna be yummy

[opaque slate]

[sly shore]

A premium animation too replace heal/bandage with holy water or judgement with a holy hand grenade

[deep steeple]

I would love a holy hand grenade omg

[sly shore]

Only one video per shared content post because someone spam the shit out my post in 5 minutes

[wary shell]

hopefully they add a gorilla man race 🙂

[warm storm]

use the new gpt 4 model to filter out the absolutely lobotomised suggestions

[mental lance]

Lobotomies for everyone who downvotes my suggestions

[atomic mountain]

It’s currently down but I should be back to normal soon

[crimson flax]

TRUE

[trim dock]

It's actually already canon that all the adventurers are devil fruit users, this is why they can't swim and simply sink to the bottom.

[dusky field]

Why has the suggestions section become so unhinged? What the hell is going on?

I want a new unique mace for the cleric called a "banhammer" and someone get it onto this discord please.

[lucid root]

say what now?

[gloomy cradle]

Potential Rogue buff: Skill - Tool Kit
Functions similar to Cleric/Wizard's Spell Memory skill, except instead of spells it has a selection of tool based skills like Caltrops and Smokebomb

Would need more tool based skills for Rogue to really flesh out, but allows the Rogue more skill utility than other martial classes

[pallid sleet]

i like this

[deep steeple]

Facts

[gaunt prism]

lockpick could be one of the tools, as well as trap disarming tools.

[tight gale]

Idk about lockpick, imo should not be a perk, just how rogue starts

[signal egret]

What about dwarves ? For the ore. Like a class to play as

[gloomy cradle]

thx
I was thinking of adding suggestions for more Tool Kit items when I post it, but some people will see one thing they don't like and dislike the whole suggestion

[hoary oriole]

best rouge suggestion so far imo

[proud bay]

Adding Lockpick to this and it would allow X fails. Recharges from campfires like other similar mechanics in the game? Gives us a better chance at lockpicking stuff rather than making it automatic as it is now, and fits the theme for sure :). They've talked about stuff to snuff torches which could fit if that were to ever get added.

Sound tripwire trap - Place on one side of a wall then again on another, tripping it sounds a bell noise.

Plenty of others but I like this take on utility for us! 😄

[tight gale]

I think they should remove all classes except fighter, fighter supremacy

[fiery ledge]

For those of you who know me as a regular here, ExAg is def a F tier game, but its actually taking my mind of DaD during all of this bs.

Yes it really is bad. I can't stress that enough. It handles like a greased up charger from Left 4 Dead 2 on pcp. Yes, its melee system is arguably worse than chiv 2 and has about 95% less of its range of depth. But thats alright. If you've played league, tarkov, arma 2 modded servers, dayz before it was standalone, age of conan (on launch during the red bar days), and etc - then you can probably handle this dumpster fire of a game that needs to be built by someone who didn't study youtube vids. (also a lot of the wardens/top adventurers are there from here)

[pseudo wing]

I tried to like it. the overall concept and vision is good. The basic fighting system makes me so frustrated I can't stand it. The controls function worse than trying to punch someone in a dream.

[fiery ledge]

Absolutely. I just can't be too critical of the guy because he's actually really new to all of this.

Definitely needs some (a lot of) polish up but eh... its able to distract me so I figured I'd try to spread a little bit of encouragement to those who might want some distraction as well.

[crimson flax]

Honestly, just the fact Agartha was made in a similar breath of DaD and apparently features a dev that consistently comments on DaD kind of shows it was always going to be made in bad faith and affect the quality of the title, especially since its a MASSIVE divorce from their previous project to the point where it almost seems like there are different people gbgehind both projects entirely

[fiery ledge]

There's definitely some merit to this. Even more so when you consider how self absorbed he was getting about how he was being slandered and how he was slandering Ironmace when it was really just the players interacting with him rather than the devs itself.

I just don't care to let any of that stop me from playing it right now. It's free to play and if for some reason he gets success thrown his way, I think he'll crash and burn hard shortly after from the emotional pressure. So, I'm kind of rooting for him.

[crimson flax]

Fair. Better to have better and more games on the market than none, guess we'll see where the wind takes em

[fiery ledge]

I'm really unfulfilled right now with the games out there - atomic heart, scorn, agony, succubus, thief series, and some other games I was expecting to be good just left me so lack luster so I'm willing to eat shit until april 14th or whenever the pt releases, if it releases. Prob gonna play this until the news and then do some responsible shit

[crimson flax]

Oh boy, I feel you sometimes there. I'mm lucky to have expanded my pallet outwards to a lot of different genres to save me from dooming out though, but its a shame to see a ton of great concepts or things with potential just fall flat and die in obscurity. Glad Dark and Darker is the one thing to take off

[vagrant cape]

Nah the water was merely an illusion all along to hide that juicy loot

[sly shore]

this

[nova glen]

Add marshmallows to the campfires so you can eat some food when sitting down with your buds

[granite plinth]

I wish they make fighter hold 3 swords like sanji

[tame sun]

Hi ! I have a question for you, are you planing to make this channel close too because of your suggestions ? xD

[willow dock]

yeah that's messed up imo, kinda implies dogfighting would be a thing. which is sad to think about

[dry tusk]

When your characters are sitting around the table in the lobby, do they ever blink?

[shell mountain]

They don't have eye lids

[dry tusk]

I suggest that be fixed

[frosty yew]

maybe add a same tinier STACH for all the classes in the game. We can put in specials objects like rings, crystal etc.. And having a system with the level of classes that makes the stach a little bigger, bc it quickly becomes full with all of the equipement

[white cliff]

I’m not for making muling easier.

[frosty yew]

Maybe a new line of emplacement for each +5 of class lvl

[white cliff]

Huh?

[gloomy cradle]

They mean a new row or column in the stash

[frosty yew]

Its just a suggestion, if u dont agree, its ur opinion 🤷‍♂️

[frosty yew]

Yeah every 5 lvl of your class

[gloomy cradle]

I think something like an auction house would solve the stash problems. AH has it's own problems, but asking players to sit in trade chat to sell stuff is kinda annoying

[neat mantle]

AH sucks. Instead, give me rainbow and wiggling text like RuneScape and go full cancer with the trade chat

I want to feel like I'm lost and just waiting to be found in a sea of colored trade options

[gloomy cradle]

I'd rather vendor the +3 all stats purple felling axe for 15g than deal with that

[ionic bobcat]

Uniques should have their own custom names/models/unique attributes

[gloomy cradle]

they do

[white cliff]

They do.

[ionic bobcat]

Do they? Every time I’ve seen them it’s the same name “Arming Sword”, same model as the rest of the weapons, and same kind of stats just +1

[white cliff]

Different rarity of weapons have different models, uniques have particle effects, and a unique stat line.

[ionic bobcat]

Huh, never noticed the particle effects or unique stats. Gotta look into it more

[smoky yoke]

kuma's claw also leaves a purple trail, because dark magic
and i think it's fair so you can see if someone have an unique weapon or not
it's cool
i like the fulgor effects

viola rapier also have its own model

[slim void]

I have been thinking of the same thing damn! Imagine being able to trap doors

[gloomy cradle]

Were unique items introduced in PT4?

[gloomy cradle]

I think just being able to lock a door or 2 would be strong enough

Some scrolls of invisibility would be good Tool Kit items too

[slim void]

considering how many people do not bring lockpicks it would be borderline denying them 😄 only barb would be unhinged if right perks. But yeah, the general idea of toolkit would be awesome. In fact, I would love some of the mechanics of the Thief games to be implemented between rogues and rangers

[trim dock]

maybe it could be a "seal door" instead of "lock door" like it takes twice as long to open or something, cuz i agree straight up locking would be OP - and it would still be counterable with a barb with smash or a wiz fireball

[lucid root]

rogue should definitely have the best non combat related utility i think

reviving an ancient suggestion
#d-and-d-suggestions message

would give them a lot of survivability, shorten the agro range to like...a little bit further than melee range with the perk active. leave all the mobs alive in each room and just run around loot chests, use mobs to your advantage if you're being chased as well

someone suggested a ranged option for dousing torches too maybe give them a slingshot or something that shoot little water pouches

[slim void]

exactly, thats one of the Thief game mechanics. Would love some of them to be integrated as skills or tools to be used for rogues and rangers

[lucid root]

idk about ranger i'm fine with them being low skill floor/grab a good bow and shred kind of class

was thinking the slingshot could double as a 'mob mover' kind of device, activates search mode on mobs so they move toward where a shot lands. move mobs toward a door that players are going to be coming through

or just a distraction tool against players too

introducing a new tool just for one class seems kind of a waste though so maybe just use the shortbow and give rogue some class specific ammo (i just love slingshots)

just some alternative playstyles to waiting in the dark and running up and stabbing people

[granite plinth]

personal opinion but they should add team chat ingame and not just in lobby

[atomic mountain]

Not sure what you mean 🤔
Pretty sure there’s a toggle option for that already

[smoky yoke]

they meant chat in-game during dungeons only for the team

i don't think it would fit very much even if i can understand why some people want it
but just my vision

[granite plinth]

i literally cant talk behind my time or my mother will get the chancla and beat my ass

[smoky yoke]

yea no worries
i guess we will have to see if developers want also that type of communication tool

[granite plinth]

bro im 16 but there still so strict lmafo

[lucid root]

been solo since the second playtest so i can't speak on this

[atomic mountain]

Like text chat?

[lucid root]

text bubbles above our heads with the worst font possible

[gloomy cradle]

I think door should still be breakable (maybe some bonus health at a minimum) to prevent teams from stacking Rogues and doing something like locking everyone out of the middle rooms. Or locking people in the trap maze on that one map

[atomic mountain]

Here’s to all the dead guys typing out “team on me team on me help!” xD

[lucid root]

giga typers typing faster than people talk

[smoky yoke]

yes

[smoky yoke]

_💬

[gloomy cradle]

BodoniMT Poster Compressed
With effort you can sorta read it, but will hate every second of it

[smoky yoke]

ㅤ 💬

[lucid root]

the white textbox with incrementing periods comes up when you're rummaging through your inventory too long

someone comes up and starts dancing around you

[atomic mountain]

Go afk for longer than 10sec and a 💤 hovers over you

[lucid root]

yes, put that shit in suggestions when it comes back

will come in handy when rogue eventually gets tranquilizer rounds
metal gear stealth music

[smoky yoke]

rogues be like camping when invisible:

ㅤ💤

[smoky yoke]

💡

[lucid root]

very visible Zzz's showing in the dark "how do they keep finding me?!"

[atomic mountain]

💤

[lucid root]

going to simp for slingshots from here on out, probably the only way i'll play rogue

[slim void]

alchemy throwable bottles (like the lanter) for rogues

[smoky yoke]

ㅤ💤

[pliant merlin]

they’re just taking a nap leave them alone

[slim void]

martial combat specializations for fighters

ie, giving special moves with certain weapons

[atomic mountain]

Blowdart to ya neck
Protec’ya neck foo!

[fiery ledge]

[dusk olive]

war bow, 3 arrows
more damage than a longbow, but it needs a certain amount of strength to use it, because war bows have a pull of 70+ lbs

[graceful frost]

[dusk olive]

actual sniper rifle

[mossy knot]

make a boss for one of the dungeons named Nexon, Destroyer of Dreams

[gloomy cradle]

They'd just DMCA the game again

[faint dirge]

Call it Noxen

[gloomy cradle]

That's better. Instead of boss make it a gatcha npc like goblin merchant except it's always a rip-off

[shy orbit]

Make it the boss of a swamp level

It already sounds like Noxious. As for using a swamp level, FromSoft will understand. Pretty sure they just want more swamps no matter where they are.

[graceful tulip]

call it xenon

[obtuse crane]

@dawn grotto i got one for everyone if your all down. find 54 streams of the correct time zone to run 3 8 hour shifts of 18 ea to cover 24hr time strech. boot up a private invite instance for them to enjoy and broadcast to the world. the point being, perhaps to show the true versatile of such a basic idea and how far champions are willing to go for glory. just change a few simple elemnets, maby red portals only with exotic drops only. guarenteed final circle on boss with only 1 triple blue at the end. "last 3man standing, maby" whats we got to lose? sunday sunday sunday going fishing in my hemi dodge ram. any volunteers?

[mossy ruin]

What in the actual...

[turbid ermine]

this person has been brainwashed

[distant night]

playing chess while we're still playing checkers

[white cliff]

You good?

[real trellis]

Why... do people come in here, see that suggestions are off, and think "Oh I know, I'll ping my nonsense directly to the admin!" Like can you act right? I really don't ask for much, just act right. Like you got some sense in your head.

God bless the patience of the admins here because if I were in their shoes anyone who pinged me for no good reason would be zapped no questions asked

[atomic mountain]

asks people to act right…

proceeds to present his criticisms and disdain as a claim to authority and a voice of reason

[real trellis]

I have no idea what you meant by what you just said but congrats or I'm sorry that happened to you

It sounds like you don't really have anything to argue about so you're just nitpicking my admittedly harsh tone

You'll have to excuse my attitude, for the last 3 days I've been experiencing coughing fits that have me so sore it's like I'm being stabbed in the stomach when I cough