suggestion-discussion

[upbeat pewter]

i dont think theres anything wrong with that

[rocky oar]

Was that a response to me?

I can't tell

lol

[fervent falcon]

Nah, it's to me.

[rocky oar]

Oh

lol

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, if you're wrecking the lobby its useless.

[fervent falcon]

If you have a cleric who has some gear with higher spell capacity its a better reason to run res.

[rocky oar]

I wouldn't catch my Cleric running rez ever

[west cloak]

The easy way to make it work would be the to have 2 soulhearts one that can only be looted by enemies and one that can only be looted by teamates but has no value

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, i wouldnt ever run it

just pick up gear, find a portal, reset

instead of making yourself worse to increase loot capacity

[west cloak]

Or just have a dogtag slot

[upbeat pewter]

im not sure why thats necessary though

res, in practical terms, is useful because you lost someone winning the fight

its going to be extremely rare that the heart is gone.

because if a rogue is coming in, they'll just murder you from behind, because.. thats WAY better

[fervent falcon]

Which five spells do you prefer over res?

[rocky oar]

We always ran Heal, Bigger heal, shield, bless, and whatever the physical dmg buff one is claled

[upbeat pewter]

2x heal, all stats or damage, shield, and the other of all stats or damge when you have knowledge

[fervent falcon]

Might or Smite irrc. Same as me. I'm sure a lot of groups would benefit from res as well though. The buff spells from cleric don't last very long. There was also cleanse, but I never tried it.

[upbeat pewter]

that doesnt change the fact that they are crazy good

[rocky oar]

Yea, I know. That's why I spoke in the perspective of tryhard groups that are actually good

[upbeat pewter]

cleanse will be great soon

when more spells/abilities come in

[fervent falcon]

"crazy good" I wouldn't really say that about boost.

[upbeat pewter]

which one?

[rocky oar]

what is boost

[upbeat pewter]

all stats?

bless.

[fervent falcon]

boost is the green shield

[upbeat pewter]

the shield is extremely good, one of the best abilities in the game xD

[rocky oar]

Ur wild

Shield is literally the difference between being one tapped and two tapped vs. really geared players

[fervent falcon]

Protection potion?

[upbeat pewter]

they stack

[rocky oar]

They stack

[fervent falcon]

I know they stack.

[upbeat pewter]

so? its temp hp you can spam on someone so they dont die

[rocky oar]

I had both prot and shield and was hit in the head once by a barb and went down to 5 health from full hp and killed him

It also allows for you to be able to push a lot easier

[upbeat pewter]

also extremely great on wizards doing max dps in melee range

lol

[rocky oar]

It's such a big diff my guy

It has saved me from so many encounters it's not even funny

[fervent falcon]

So you would rather have boost spam than divine might, bless and holy light, or?

And its like 4 casts of boost, vs 1 of the others, so it would run out a lot faster too.

[rocky oar]

huh

[upbeat pewter]

run all of them

[rocky oar]

I am so confused

[upbeat pewter]

2x heal and 3x buff

[rocky oar]

I already said we ran all 5

[upbeat pewter]

if you drop someothing for the snare, or for a cleanse, it would be smite

[fervent falcon]

So you're saying you want the cleric to spam all five?

[rocky oar]

Yes

[fervent falcon]

If you're running hyper deadly combat then how is the combat taking that long?

[upbeat pewter]

spam the one you need, yes

[rocky oar]

When did we say it's taking long

[fervent falcon]

So do you need boost or smite?

[rocky oar]

bro

I am confused

[upbeat pewter]

buff, buff, buff, recast shield then heal up after

[fervent falcon]

Because it takes time for cleric to cast a dozen spells.

[upbeat pewter]

depends on your cast speed really

[rocky oar]

It doesn't though

[fervent falcon]

That's a long time to cast all those.

[fervent falcon]

Cast speed is mage's speciality.

[upbeat pewter]

3x buff before combat, then just shield?

[rocky oar]

I ran with cleric that did this last PT all PT

It doesn't

[upbeat pewter]

wizards literally start with terrible cast speed

-40%

[rocky oar]

It happens way faster than you think it does

[fervent falcon]

Even 3x buff before combat takes time.

[fervent falcon]

They have a perk.

[upbeat pewter]

it doesnt change the fact that you'll still be stacking knowledge, the cast speed stat

and if you havent got buffs up, guess what you're casting

shield

[rocky oar]

Please, go do this yourself to understand yourself with a Spellbook cause no one in their right mind would run staff

[upbeat pewter]

because why cast buffs in the middle of combat

shield

[rocky oar]

Most of the time you always have time to cass buffs anyway

You can always hear people coming

[fervent falcon]

I run spellbook.

[rocky oar]

If ya don't, turn up your game

[fervent falcon]

3x buff two players, does take time imo. The buffs will start expiring soon. The other party isn't doing nothing while you're prebuffing too. What do you want the Cleric to do if they get attacked too?

[fiery ledge]

👀

[upbeat pewter]

who said 2 players?

you buff the one thats going to be in melee.

usually the other is a ranger or rogue, who isnt there.

or a wizard.

none of those care much about the buffs, you're just spamming the one whos in combat

melee*

smite the ranger if you have time

[fervent falcon]

All of those characters benefit from damage buffs.

[upbeat pewter]

sure. but your immediate concern is the one in melee.

[fiery ledge]

didnt terrence say something along the lines of "get better friends - pick your fights better"

[rocky oar]

Brain Rot

[upbeat pewter]

you arnt recasting buffs if the melee is going to die

[fervent falcon]

What if the party composition is different to yours? (edit: I meant enemy party comp too)

[rocky oar]

A part of me wants to argue double memory just for rez lol

[fervent falcon]

You might have to switch up strategy.

Instead of doing the same thing every time.

[upbeat pewter]

then deal with it at the time. if you're picking an inoptimal party comp and expecting for things to work better, it isnt an argument here.

chances are, if you're mostly melee, the ONLY spell you cast is going to be shield

[fiery ledge]

🤔

[rocky oar]

I've never had buff issues so what evs

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, me either

[rocky oar]

you could just drop bless if ya want

[upbeat pewter]

though me melee tends to run in and dies

so i just play duo

lol

[rocky oar]

lol

[upbeat pewter]

either that or he runs from left to right and takes an arrow to the head

[rocky oar]

lol

[upbeat pewter]

from the last suggestion, im very against NPCs being strong enough that you need to meet other players in dungeon to have a chance to beat. Everything should be 'doable' with the queued team size.

even if thats a high gear requirement

[quaint river]

whoever downvoted my suggestion is rude lol

😢

[somber wind]

Ok this would be the second time the suggestion bot ate my suggestion

and didn't even throw an error

[brittle ridge]

It's real this game is getting a solo queue?

[elder heart]

yes

[rocky oar]

It's a specific map that's solo only

[elder heart]

why u gotta thumb me down 😢

[brittle ridge]

F devs then

[elder heart]

blame the people why asked for it

[brittle ridge]

this game is becoming a bad colash

[rocky oar]

Self entitled

[brittle ridge]

next will be removing vendors, item loss, ect

[carmine path]

Todays the day bois

[elder heart]

tomorrow

[rocky oar]

Today for some of us

[carmine path]

for you maybe

[rocky oar]

It comes out today at 11pm for me

[carmine path]

[elder heart]

guys living in the future

[opaque shore]

Hey chat!

[reef cosmos]

good morning nessi

[ionic mango]

solo feature to this game confirmed?

[lusty wren]

Worse

A solo queue would have taken far less dev time than what they chose. Which makes it much worse IMO

Now that they caved and gave them their own dungeon they are going to want seperate balancing too as already seen ^ there

[upbeat pewter]

if they want balancing, and a fair amount of dev time, im betting the devs just can the mode, convert the map to a 3v3 map and no dev time lost.

theres not really a lot of merit to hating on the solo map at this stage

no time has been wasted

[lusty wren]

Time has for sure been wasted 😄

Maybe not "wasted" but utilized for a solo only mode instead of being dedicated to the base game

Catering to the loud

[upbeat pewter]

the only time thats been wasted is someone ticking the amount of players on the map from 3 to 1 per team

as i said, the map can still be swapped back to a 3v3 map for almost no effort, if thats desired

[lusty wren]

You think a dungeon designed for solo play is going to just be converted with a tick of a button?

😄

[upbeat pewter]

i think all of the effort gone into it already is 1 for 1 towards making the same thing a 3v3 map.

theres more effort, but no more effort than it would have taken for a 3v3 map anyways

[lusty wren]

But its not a 3v3 map

its a solo map

before B1 is even done

Its a shift of focus that is unwelcomed imo

[upbeat pewter]

they said themselves, they wouldnt have got B1 finished.

[lusty wren]

Yet they could get this solo dungeon done? that tells you right there its not the same

lol

[upbeat pewter]

this greedy attitude is tiring, tbh.

[lusty wren]

YOu destroyed your own argument

[upbeat pewter]

no, i didnt.

[lusty wren]

😄

[upbeat pewter]

i didnt say a 3v3 wouldnt be more effort. the 3v3 would take more effort than the 1v1.

but all the effort into the 1v1 can be easily translated.

[lusty wren]

🤣

[cunning lintel]

As much as i dislike the solo queue and things that involve having fun at expense of others, that guy just starts spamming cringe emotes or takes things to personal level trying to render you in a bad light, because he's insecure, so just ignore him...

[somber wind]

They did say it was an experiment and if it really was just a vocal minority that they'd be removing it and repurposing the assets made for it.

[cunning lintel]

See?

[upbeat pewter]

oh, dont worry, i got that immediately. its kind of sad that people jump to that level.

theres really no downside to soloQ. i dont even want it, and expect it to suck.

[lusty wren]

When one has no argument they resort to personal attacks 😉

[cunning lintel]

That's exactly what you just did lmao, get some help

[upbeat pewter]

LOL

[lusty wren]

Show me the personal attack

[upbeat pewter]

look at that laugh emote spam. you didnt even have an argument,.

[ionic mango]

yall are mad press about someone using emojis, its embarassing to read

wtf

[lusty wren]

Yes I laughed

because the statement was hilarious

How is that a personal attack?

You guys are soft

[upbeat pewter]

thats effectively attacking the argument, acting like its funny.,

[ionic mango]

its just some pixels, it wont hurt you

how is that being used against him ahahaha xDF

[upbeat pewter]

acting like someones argument is funny is disrespectful.

im not hurt or anything, i dont care.

[lusty wren]

It was hilarious not just funny

[upbeat pewter]

but it becomes immediately evident.

thats the point.

[lusty wren]

Do you not laugh when something is funny?

[cunning lintel]

"when one has no argument" which you didn't have, you instead spam cringe emotes trying to cope

And the personal attack lies in you trying to render people in bad light by laughing at them

[ionic mango]

i mean you guys care enough to use that as smth against him "spamming cringe emotes"

lmao

[lusty wren]

The cringe paradox 😄

[upbeat pewter]

why are you even trying to defend him. he didnt have any argument from the start, other than 'you're wrong', then laugh emotes.

[cunning lintel]

^

[upbeat pewter]

id respect a counter arguement

[lusty wren]

The argument is it takes dev time away from the base game

try reading

[upbeat pewter]

i countered that, and you had nothing.

[lusty wren]

You countered that with BS

[ionic mango]

cause both of u are making fun of him for using emotes

[lusty wren]

So I laughed

[ionic mango]

and its sad af

[cunning lintel]

????

[upbeat pewter]

its not about using emotes. its about attempting to manipulate the conversation by putting the other person down.

[lusty wren]

Lets move on eh

😄

[lusty wren]

Oh you mean what you guys did?

I simply laughed

You guys are being very soft, lets just move on to a new topic eh

[cunning lintel]

You are still trying?

No arguments, so you run away?

[upbeat pewter]

which isnt an argument. you could have laughed to yourself, but instead you had to post it.. for what other purpose than to attempt to make yourself look better.

its just sad really. thats why i didnt reply at first.

[cunning lintel]

Thought so

[ionic mango]

@cunning lintel you called him childish, insecure and told him to get some help cause the guy used a smiley twice, take a step back and look at it from a 3rd person perspective

[lusty wren]

Ok bud

[ionic mango]

ur weird dude

weird af

[cunning lintel]

Look from what perspective, someone who doesn't use any arguments but only tried to come out on top at all cost?

Ur wierd dude

[lusty wren]

Wtf are you even talking about?

[cunning lintel]

Weird af

[lusty wren]

LOL

[ionic mango]

the perspective where the a person used a smiley, and that made u come in and throw 3 insults at him

lamo

ur hella weak

mental boom from 1 emoji

[upbeat pewter]

this is jumping to personal insults. stop with those or im calling in a warden

im tired of this conversation anyways

[cunning lintel]

They won't do anything, because "he's just laughing"

[lusty wren]

<@&988703997378584596> there ya go

[upbeat pewter]

oh, im talking of the other guy, it has nothing to do with laughing.

[lusty wren]

Warden please read over the last convo and tell me who is resorting to personal attacks 😄

[ionic mango]

weird tho, when its 2 people calling someone childish and immature its alright, when its me calling them out for being weird, suddenly its "ill call the warden on u!"

[cunning lintel]

Lmao

It's only weird defending toxic behaviour

[lusty wren]

LOL

[cunning lintel]

But i guess it's funny for you, so go laugh

[lusty wren]

laughing is toxic now

[ionic mango]

defending the

use of emojis is omega toxic

how can i sleep at night

[cunning lintel]

Dude, you think saying "cringe emotes" is crying at night, what's wrong with you?

[ionic mango]

but calling him childing and tellign him to get some help isnt toxic

thats a really high horse ur on

[cunning lintel]

When did i call him a child?

[ionic mango]

immature and childish was ur words

[cunning lintel]

Where, show me

[tawny lagoon]

#d-and-d-suggestions message. I would prefer quests to be something more interesting if posible

[ionic mango]

insecure sorry not immature

[lusty wren]

Im just insecure best to move on 😉

[lusty wren]

Agreed

[upbeat pewter]

its fine for basic kill quests to be in the game.

id want some more complex ones for sure.

[cunning lintel]

Yikes

[lusty wren]

Ya a mixture of both would be great IMO

[cunning lintel]

"mom, i'm losing, guys move on, leave me alone"

Jesus

[ionic mango]

ahahaha

[lusty wren]

I have no wish to continue a conversation when one has no argument so they resort to personal attacks sorry

[ionic mango]

ur really smth longersword

[cunning lintel]

Oh, so now a little comment is making you cry at night?

[ionic mango]

entertaining to say the least

[cunning lintel]

Wow, what a nice standard you have

[lusty wren]

Yes very sadge as you said above

[cunning lintel]

😂

[opaque shore]

Please everyone.

Just drop the topic.

[lusty wren]

How about we tell them to not make personal attacks? Can you read up and say just drop the topic? 😄

[opaque shore]

This isn't "Arguements-debate"
It's "Suggestion-discussion"

[ionic mango]

instead of being a "stop it guys" bot, you could literally just scroll up and reprimend whoever was in the wrong tho

if that happens to be me, so be it

[lusty wren]

We were having a talk about the suggestions until they started throwing around personal insults

[cunning lintel]

It's not the first time he does that and he doesn't even care

[opaque shore]

Everyone is in the wrong for making it a problem in the first place.
Let's be respectful towards each others opinions.

[lusty wren]

I mean personal attacks are against the rules are they not?

[west quiver]

After reading through all of it, there is no such things as "personnal attacks" or "direct insults".
Literally nobody has insulted with violent wordings. You guys just disagree, it is fine.

[cunning lintel]

It's not easy with someone who goes straight to making fun of someone's profile picture...

[lusty wren]

"As much as i dislike the solo queue and things that involve having fun at expense of others, that guy just starts spamming cringe emotes or takes things to personal level trying to render you in a bad light, because he's insecure, so just ignore him..."

Thats not a personal attack?

😄

Wtf is then ?

@west quiver

[west quiver]

You guys are perfectly able to have a peaceful conversation.
I recommand not starting to argue about the last 5-10min again.

Have a great day.

[upbeat pewter]

i mean, one was starting to jump to it, but hadnt, as why i hadnt called you. "ur weak" was definitely starting tro get there

but yeah, agreed. was hoping people would just move on...

[lusty wren]

Calling someone insecure and a baiter is a personal attack. What did you read? 😄

I could care less, but to read that convo and act like nothing broke the rules is hilarious also

[cunning lintel]

Let's see his messages from a couple of days ago, then you will realize he's not just "disagreeing", he's a narcissist trying to cope with lack of attention..

[lusty wren]

@west quiver See they cant stop

[opaque shore]

There is no need for that.

[lusty wren]

This is what happens when you guys say "nothing personal was said"

LOL

BUT moving on

Back to the quests. I would prefer the majority of quests to be more substantial than kill x skeles

[nova sedge]

🎶 WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS… WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS… WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS 🎶

[carmine path]

ahh the final wave of lost souls finally coming in before the flood gates are opened They cannot play so they bicker amongst each other and fight with the wards so relieve their stress

[woeful helm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1027335984964190312/1065547212853104700/blinky.gif

[rancid void]

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[eager sable]

Suggestion from Shi➈shi#1824

[ Change Scrolls from treasure to upgrade materials for stash (in the future), just like Deeds and Crests in Darkest Dungeon to upgrade the Hamlet. Why? Nobody really loots them, they take too much space for how much they are worth. ]

Opinion:

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[rancid void]

you guys realize that scrolls are going to be actual useable magic scrolls right?

the current versions arnt picked up because you cant use them yet, that doesnt mean they need to change their plans for them

[carmine path]

^ most people jus dont knoe

[rancid void]

thats a bit of a surprise for me but with the way that was voted I guess that makes sense.

[lusty wren]

I mean people are still asking for voip

and solo only dungeons

😄

[rancid void]

true

[cunning lintel]

You can have both scrolls and upgrade materials, my idea aimed to make unattractive loot be something more than "bad RNG" trash, same for silver coins before

[lusty wren]

I wouldn't consider usable spell scrolls as unattractive loot, but thats just me

[rancid void]

but its only bad loot because its unimplemented, your suggestion is they design a whole new system instead of just implementing the system they already have been working on?

[cunning lintel]

And where is it written that these scrolls will be usable items in the future? Currently they are just items that nobody picks up...

[lusty wren]

"For now expect wands and scrolls."

[rancid void]

thanks I was looking for it

[cunning lintel]

That doesn't answer the question tho

[lusty wren]

This is the complete Question and answer.
Q: Are there any plans to add low level spells to other characters like you may see in Dungeons and Dragons?
A: Rangers can have spells. I’m thinking of implementing it through artifacts rather than each class having spell casting. For now expect wands and scrolls. Development will take some time.

This is where its written that likely scrolls will be usable items

[cunning lintel]

And how do you exactly know that the current scrolls are the scroll planned for usage?

[lusty wren]

I mean its a scroll that does nothing atm. So when they say "scrolls will be usable" It kinda points to it being an unfinished mechanic

Think its stated pretty clearly tbh

[cunning lintel]

But there could be 2 types of those items, 1 as new usable and 1 same as current, sellable

[lusty wren]

Doubt they will add new scrolls that do something when they already have scrolls in that do nothing But hey we shall see

[cunning lintel]

It's not clear that the current scroll will be exactly changed to usable scrolls, you're just assuming it

[lusty wren]

Sure bucko

You asked where it was written I showe dyou

Moving on now

[rancid void]

<@&988703997378584596> Just to speed this along, can you confirm or deny if the current scrolls are likely what they intend to use for magic/spell scrolls in the future?

[magic yacht]

We can't confirm that, and all things are due to change as development goes along

[rancid void]

fair

[magic yacht]

We're just mods 🤷‍♂️

[granite plinth]

@rancid voidYou dont want a 200% bonus damage?

☠️

[rancid pewter]

And even if we know it we dont have the rights to tell you for something who is not released :p :p

[rancid void]

In what context?

[granite plinth]

Your suggestion

We dont need a rogue buff

[rancid void]

It... I am saying invisibility should gain access to the 10 step perk, as pots already work with the 50% damage.

its less a buff and more for consistency and to avoid confusion

[granite plinth]

bro its super broken

Potion with the 10 step perk

[rancid void]

the 10 steps?

[granite plinth]

ofc

[rancid void]

how is that more broken then using them as a 50% damage buff?

[cunning lintel]

Invis potions should be fair for all classes using them + you don't want invis pot spam fiesta Rogue appearing and disappearing

We already see Wizard doing that and with limited usage...

[mossy ruin]

Not limited enough >.>

[rancid void]

I mean... you can break stealth with damage, just hit them when they try to drink

[mossy ruin]

????

[rancid void]

damage breaks invisibilty, its why you cant hide in the swarm

[reef cosmos]

The game literally doesn't need more damage.
The devs are running and killing every mechanic of one-shot (with low gear or in a easy manner)
No crit chance pot, no double dmg pot. Nothing like that will come anywhere soon this year

[mossy ruin]

you won't see them

[rancid void]

thats already a thing and not what my suggestion is about

[rancid void]

They have to come out of invisibilty to repot, and if they dont they can only take 10 steps

[mossy ruin]

Idk why you are acting dumb, if you could move with rogue perk + potion clearly its unfairly huge advantage

[rancid void]

Basically I am saying one they try to repot, swipe where they reappeared. they cant run and only crouch/walk so you should beable to hit them before they get away.

[granite plinth]

Pot run pot run pot run

you can move and drink

[rancid void]

pots take time to drink and they cant run

[mighty wing]

not really you can already use hide and its cooldown isn't even that long

[granite plinth]

and invi pot are super common

your rogue spell is around 45 cd cooldown

for a reason

[rancid void]

guys only wizards can run while invisible rogues have to crouch or hold the walk key, they arnt getting that far

[mighty wing]

invis pots take time to drink

skill doesn't

both have drawbacks

[granite plinth]

rogue doesn't need a buff

and this buff is HUUGE

[mossy ruin]

why would they pot in front of you!! just pot around a corner to start fight, stab stab, back up, hide, stab stab, the player was pobably dead long ago ur timing is invalid because you are dismissing how the combat flows

[cunning lintel]

Wizard can do it like 5 or 6 times in a row, you can bring 30 invis potions and that would still not stop people from bringing more tbh

[rancid void]

if you give them time to retreat and hide they could basically do the same with the current pots.

[mighty wing]

I think the devs are adding skills to detect invis players so if that happens letting rouges move while pot invis isn't broken

even now it isn't that strong

[cunning lintel]

With current pots you can't move as any class, it's good this way

[rancid void]

yes but WIZARDS COULD RUN! rogues can only walk or crouch and only for 10 steps. Also wizards cast invis faster then rogues pot and wizard stealth gives a haste effect

[granite plinth]

for a good rogue its super strong

[mighty wing]

in a fight all it would do is 1 extra invis

because no one will pot in front of people

[cunning lintel]

You can still dodge while crouching, reposition and start running then drink another one, effect is almost the same, but with more usages...

[granite plinth]

rogue is the fastest class in the game

[mighty wing]

and if they do the pots are slow to drink

[mossy ruin]

Idk, I honestly cant be bothered to argue someshit anymore. I know it's been a month but some of you act likeyouve never played

[rancid void]

except - the haste bonus and - the invisible while running so you can run past people

[mighty wing]

if rouges could run while invis it would be a bad idea but they can only move a few steps

[rancid void]

and the move speed penalty you get when drinking

[mighty wing]

it is balanced

[cunning lintel]

And without haste Wizard is nothing special, while Rogue is dancing around people and laughs at barb's default axe, idk

[rancid void]

Wizard Invisibility:
Target becomes invisible and gains a 10-% Move Speed bonus for 4 seconds.
Guess what? Rogues dont get a speed bonus and get a speed penalty so I guess pots would be nothing special?

[mossy ruin]

If you have any intention of conversation, use hide and invis, they are intentionally different terms. Rogue can move while using Hide.

[rancid void]

It does use the phrase if you are hiding so you are correct there

[mossy ruin]

I am correct in everything I type.

[lusty wren]

"without haste wizard is nothing special" kinda cracks me up 😄

[cunning lintel]

Invis alone isn't as good as Haste + Invis, clearly

[lusty wren]

lol

[rancid void]

Especially after they just say a rogue could replicate a wizard if they could use stealth with pots even though the rogue is slower and slowed when drinking

[rancid void]

Invis gets a haste built in

that stacks with the haste spell

[lusty wren]

ya, its a silly concept really. Invis and haste stacking is a problem that should be addressed

[cunning lintel]

And?

[mossy ruin]

Yes wizard has issues

[lusty wren]

The invis spell almost increases speed the same as the dedicated haste spell

its pretty nuts

They did say they were looking to adjust spells of wizard so hopefully this will be one of them

[mossy ruin]

I feel like a better approach to nerfing wizard would be to suggest nerfing wizard instead of creating a new problem.

[cunning lintel]

^

[lusty wren]

I think wizard would be in a fine state if those two didnt stack. No need to nerf it further

[granite plinth]

Why? everyone want a rogue with unlimited invis

[mossy ruin]

Well MM scaling is problematic and ignite is whack

[lusty wren]

I also think rogue though should get the 10 steps by default

[mighty wing]

its not unlimited

[lusty wren]

Its far from unlimited invis pots are longer 😄

[granite plinth]

invis potion are suuuuper common

[mossy ruin]

Hes being funny

[mighty wing]

would be expensive to bring a ton of potions in or take time

good gear takes the same so its balanced

[cunning lintel]

But people would still do it tho..

[lusty wren]

Invis potions drop all over the place its not expensive at all to bring a few in per raid

[mossy ruin]

Yeah, every time your argument calls a scenario unlikely, you forget what trolling is.

[reef cosmos]

Wizard not being able to stack buffs should be a nice nerf

[mossy ruin]

Agreed, the magic missle damage bonuses getting spread out per pellet as i hope would be great too

[mighty wing]

maybe not stacking speed buffs or only one type of each buff at once otherwise it would be too strong of a nerf

like ignite haste would work but the speed from invis and haste don't stack

[mossy ruin]

I think thats already the understood concept. Similar buffs from same source shouldnt stack

[mighty wing]

yes

[honest wind]

It be cool if the market was a open world market where you can set up a stall but people can still steal and kill you. with NPC guards and you still have to escape.

[reef cosmos]

Wtf is that

This is an extraction game

[pseudo wing]

it worked in ultima online. I could see it. but it would be years into development after all maps/classes/items are added. but chilling at the bank and trading was kinda fun

[lusty wren]

Ya it worked in ultima a OPEN world MMO 😄

[pseudo wing]

they'd have to make a trade map designed for it that u go wander around while buying/selling. which is probably a whole lot of work and very far from where they're at. but if it somehow did happen I think it'd be neat.

[nova sedge]

.shortinfo 1583565

[eager sable]

Suggestion from ninjabladeJr#9701

Not sure if this is a bug but as of the last playtest the rogue passive perk Stealth that allows 10 steps while invisible required the use of the rogue's Hide activatable ability and DID NOT work with invisibility potions.

This is odd as the Rogue ambush perk (that gives 50 % damage on the next attack made 3 seconds after breaking invisibility) DID work after using an invisibility pot.

Please make the Stealth Perk work with both Hide and the Invisibility Potions to open up options and for consistency.

Opinion:

+26

Suggestions Feed Post

[Suggestions Feed Post](#d-and-d-suggestions message)

Suggestion ID: 1583565 | Submitted at · Feb 5, 2023, 6:00 PM

[nova sedge]

Imagine if they add this.. rogue’s hide ability would be literally useless

[mighty wing]

not really because people can hear you drink potions but hide has no sound and is instant

[pseudo wing]

true but hide should be better than just slightly better invis pot. heck, invis pots let u stay cloaked longer so there's alrdy tradeoffs

[nova sedge]

Yes it does have a sound AND it has a puff of smoke.. ALSO! They’re going to make it so you can see a rogue a second or so after stealth begins *confirmed by devs

[nova sedge]

There’s also no cool down on invis pots

[mighty wing]

Ah I thought it was complete silence mb

[nova sedge]

Your sins will be forgiven, but you still must be flogged

[nova sedge]

.shortinfo 1584064

[eager sable]

Suggestion from Yorkazord#3935

~PLEASE READ ENTIRELY~
The rogue Hide ability is slight different than the DnDragons counterpart, as it makes you literally invisible. What if they made it more similar (and less like an invis potion) by making it not ALWAYS making you invis.
What if it depended on how much darkness you were standing in?
Dark areas would be full invis, medium darkness would be kinda visible, or outlined, and full light would be pretty visible with an outline.
But you might say, but that makes their Hide ability almost useless!!!
In return they would gain the ability to infinitely walk(slow walk) or crouch walk while the ability is active.
Well that sounds like it could be abused and over powered!
Just pull out a torch!
On the other hand… rogues could potentially gain the “hide in plain sight” feat that would drastically reduce the visibility while in low and direct light.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk

Suggestions Feed Post

[Suggestions Feed Post](#d-and-d-suggestions message)

Suggestion ID: 1584064 | Submitted at · Feb 5, 2023, 9:51 PM

[nova sedge]

@lusty wren damn bro, you’re just a hater. No way you read the whole thing in under 5 seconds

[lusty wren]

Reading is not very hard

I dislike the suggestion

so I downvoted it

[nova sedge]

Lol you’re an idiot. If you’re not gonna read something, dont* up or down vote it

[lusty wren]

Imo its a bad suggestion

Sorry bud

[nova sedge]

Why

[lusty wren]

One the infinite walking while stealthed is bad we saw what this is like in previous play tests

[nova sedge]

Damn did you even read the explanation

Holy

No you didn’t

[lusty wren]

I did

and it was bad

so I downvoted

[nova sedge]

Lmao

I explained how infinite walk makes sense

[lusty wren]

You attempted to

I agree

[nova sedge]

Lmao

I’m not saying my idea is immaculate, but if you’re literally not going to read it… you shouldn’t just make an opinion

That’s why the USA polls are a joke

[lusty wren]

when "just pull out a torch" completely invalidates a skill i downvote its pretty easy

I did read it

and that is why I downvoted

[nova sedge]

Oh damn

But did you read the last part to counter that

You’re good at going back and reading after the fact

[lusty wren]

I read the entire thing

and its a bad suggestion imo

[nova sedge]

Nah

[lusty wren]

lets move on

[nova sedge]

Ain no way

[agile condor]

I've lost my will to up or downvote anything since we're gonna be a single player game soon lol - and while I still believe Rogue stealth needs a buff, I'm not sure that's it

Increase how long stealth lasts/steps used should be fine - also the quiet walking should just literally be no footsteps

but I'm just a random Ranger so /shrug

[lusty wren]

I think steps should be default

with a perk to double it

[agile condor]

Yeah that sounds reasonable

[lusty wren]

Seems to be the easiest path without making it overly strong

[agile condor]

I'd be cool even with like 15 steps default, 30 w/perk

[lusty wren]

Ya, I think that portion of it would need tweaking to find the perfect amount but 10-15 sounds right

[agile condor]

I'm ina game with rogues... I expect them to be stealthing around lol

Also too many things break rogue stealth if I recall

need to fix that

like pickpocket - definitely shouldn't break stealth lol

[lusty wren]

I cant tell you how many times my own team broke my stealth 😄 and I didnt even play the class alot

I like that tho

[agile condor]

Oh that too

[lusty wren]

BUT the pickpocket I agree

[agile condor]

teammate bumps into you... whelp - time to wait another minute

[lusty wren]

It did piss me off alot

Took forever for myt eam to adjust

[agile condor]

if an enemy bumps into you, that makes sense

but teammate? eh

Who am I kidding, we'll all be playing in solos soon anyways lol

[somber wind]

#d-and-d-suggestions message ugh although I agree with the sentiment as someone who makes videogames on the same computer they play videogames on that turns me off bad.

Just don't wanna have to have an entire different computer for Dark and Darker

[rancid void]

wait does bumbing into someone break it? I have flat out had people try to walk though me and i stayed invisible

[agile condor]

I also don't think this game opens itself up to cheats as bad as some other games like Valorant - knowing where people are isn't as impactful, projectiles are semi slow and would miss frequently, they just need the server to own more information in cases like generating loot etc

[nova sedge]

I never had it break hide

[somber wind]

The problem we've seen before is people walking ontop of the map :\

[lusty wren]

Valorant has lots of cheaters, the devs have even had to apologize multiple times for them. id rather not have a super invasive anti cheat that doesnt even work 😄

[agile condor]

Pretty sure Valorant's anti-cheat works pretty well lol

[lusty wren]

Pay 2 play is much more of a detractor IMO

[agile condor]

Afaik the hacking community is still trying to crack the latest update from like Nov/Dec or so

[late scroll]

??

are you referring to cheats, there is already bunch of them that are probably going undetected

[agile condor]

??

[late scroll]

??

[agile condor]

??

[lusty wren]

Yeah they are already on the free platforms so they have been on the pay for platforms for quite some time

[late scroll]

what are you saying emba

[lusty wren]

More valorant streamers have been caught cheating than like any other game LOL

[agile condor]

Isn't that the point?

[lusty wren]

Hackers are always going to be an issue. Regular ban waves, being pay to play are far superior than super invasive anti cheats

[agile condor]

Detecting the cheats and banning

[lusty wren]

I am talking about by their communities

By letting things slip

hitting the wrong button etc

[agile condor]

That happens in literally every game lol

[lusty wren]

Exactly

so it does not solve the problem

[agile condor]

?

this isn't binary people

Go play labs on Tarkov, have fun

[lusty wren]

If it does not solve the problem, and you still have to regularly apologize for your game having lots of cheaters. Why use something so invasive?

Standard anti cheat procedures will work fine for DaD

[agile condor]

Yeah I already said that

[lusty wren]

They already have the benefit over games like valorant that are F2P

Then we are in agreement 😉

[agile condor]

https://www.ign.com/articles/riot-offers-hackers-up-to-100000-reward-to-expose-valorant-anti-cheat-exploits here you go man, easy $100k for you

[late scroll]

nvm misunderstood thought you talked about dad mb sir

[clear fox]

did I miss something? Do people believe that felling axe, magic missile, fireball and spear are balanced?

[graceful frost]

i think they are fine lol

they are all pretty good at some things and bad at others

fireball is a great spell but isn't completely absurd, especially cause you don't have infinity, I think damage scaling with magic missle could be changed, but again you have to be still to use it leaving yourself vulnerable. felling axe, although I don't know much about, also seems more or less fine. And ranger spear really isnt that good, you need good spacing and know how to use it and just does the normal damage\

honestly doesn't rlly seem like theres many weapons that are completely absurd

[agile condor]

Nerf everything, it's all imbalanced! lol

Nah but again, for most cases I'd rather see them buff something for your class than nerf something for another

[lusty wren]

Lets wait and see what the wiz adjustments are before we ask to nerf them 😄

Felling axe is fine also

I have no opinion on spear because not enough experience with and against it

[graceful frost]

yeah fireball on wizard doesnt rlly seem like the issue

if anything its the magic missle damage scaling which can like insta kill people, you can just invis around and 1 hit with magic missle kinda'

[lusty wren]

by 1 hit you mean a full volley?

If someone gets caught with a full volley of MM they kind of deserve to die

[graceful frost]

from what I know with damage boosters I am pretty sure it makes the magic missle do a ton more damage

meaning you dont even need a full volley

[lusty wren]

Ive never seen MM kill in one hit

[graceful frost]

ofc i didnt mean 1 hit :p

[lusty wren]

It gets nasty I agree, but its so easily avoidable it needs to be nasty

[clear fox]

Fireball can literally 1 shot most classes with a headshot and is spammable. A naked wizard can absolutely destroy geared 3 man teams.
Magic missile scales way too hard, it can melt even the tankiest chad. The wizard actually benifits from blasting you with MM point blank.
Felling axe 1-2 shots everyone. It's pretty much a guaranteed headshot and swings super fast. It's by far and away the favored barbarian weapon.
Ranger with spear takes away the rangers only weakness which is melee combat. It's got a very favorable swing animation to never get caught on walls and insane reach

[graceful frost]

not rlly. at least when close is harder and ther eis a big wizard playstile around invising close and magic missling with shield pot and the perk that gives you a shield when using a spell and can kill really fast and easy

[clear fox]

you'll never see a naked fighter kill geared 3 man teams

[inner quest]

yeah you say easily avoidable but if you are fighting someone and the wizard just speeds behind you and throws it at you you just die

[graceful frost]

magic missle scaling is insane I can agree with that

[lusty wren]

That is a problem with haste and invis stacking not MM

[graceful frost]

idk much about felling axe but barb kinda needs that

[graceful frost]

not rlly many wiz dont even run haste, along with me

[inner quest]

but if the ability just wasnt broken it would be ok

[clear fox]

haste invis combo is actually cool. It's a fun high skill mechanic but MM is just purely too much damage, especially when it's cast quickly and channeled quickly with gear

[lusty wren]

LOL this is a joke right? High skill mechanic? 😄

[graceful frost]

spear rlly isnt that good. doesnt completely take away the weakness if your good with spacing it and stuff it can be pretty good but once they get closer then its best range it becomes really hard to back out and take that fight, Just saying this from my ranger expirience, if they get past that optimal spacing range with spear and get in it becomes a lot harder for the spear to hit and to actually win that fight

[clear fox]

100% lol you have a lot of creative freedom with that combo

[lusty wren]

You want to nerf everything but the most OP part of a wiz ok

Ill see myself out

[graceful frost]

I havent had many issues with haste and invis I think its pretty cool, I mean wizard is slow so you need to rely on his hast and stuff to get away

the MM scaling is insane

[clear fox]

haste def should be nerfed a bit purely because melee can never catch a wizard

[graceful frost]

litterally so many good playstyles derived from it

for example the molerat can easy wipe teams with MM

[lusty wren]

If you nerf haste the invis speed buff is BIGGER than HASTES 😄

[clear fox]

eh?

does invis boost speed?

[graceful frost]

yeah haste could use a bit of a nerf but tbh I think the invis is fine, you have to shift if you want to hide your footsteps meaning in combat you cant move that fast, at least without haste

[lusty wren]

Yes

[clear fox]

oh wow i had no idea

[lusty wren]

only a couple percent slower than hastes

[graceful frost]

u sure?

[lusty wren]

Which is why them stacking becomes ridiculous

mach 10

[lusty wren]

POSITIVE

[clear fox]

lol yeah that needs to get nerfed if thats the case

[graceful frost]

either way you pretty much need to shift walk when wizard invis

[lusty wren]

WHAT?!

You move at mach 10 my guy

[graceful frost]

otherwise they hear your footsteps

at least when in combat and not running

[lusty wren]

It doesnt matter because you move at mach 10

[clear fox]

yeah shift walk so they dont know where you're going but it doesnt matter when you can melt with MM lol

[graceful frost]

I learned that the hard way

[lusty wren]

If you are shift walking while hasted and invis you are doing it wrong ;D

[graceful frost]

i havce tried doing it without shift walking and they just know where you are and just ez kill you, or follow you

[graceful frost]

i dont use haste, I am purely speaking invis, like I said before

[lusty wren]

Why would you not use haste?

[clear fox]

the way I would balance ranger spear is just remove the strength bonus the perk gives

[graceful frost]

no reason to, ranger gets -10 melee dmg its fine if the spear perk gives that back for a single weapon

[clear fox]

oh I wasnt aware of that either

[graceful frost]

takes too much knowledge, cant use the spell loudout I like with both haste and invis without 1 or 2 extra knowledge, I vastly prefer zap

[graceful frost]

yeah I though it was broken before too but realized that when I felt like I should be doing more than I was

[lusty wren]

What is your full spell kit?

[graceful frost]

idk its been a month

and idc to change it rn lmao

[lusty wren]

LOL

[clear fox]

zap invis fireball mm at least it seems

[graceful frost]

i like using the spells I had and I saw a lot of good wizards not use haste and It didnt rlly become as useful for me

[lusty wren]

Hmm was just curious ive never seen a wiz not run haste its just OP

in conjunction with invis that is

[graceful frost]

I have seen many wizards do it

[untold badge]

Never knew wizards wouldn’t use haste

It’s broken

[graceful frost]

one of the solo high roller wizards I watched does a bit of no haste and seemed fine

[lusty wren]

Id doubt any great wizards did tbh

[untold badge]

Yeah no def nobody with common sense

No point arguing let him be lol

[graceful frost]

I have seen many good wiz not use haste, or at least in some builds

[untold badge]

There isn’t a logical reason why you’d ever not use haste

[graceful frost]

not tryna argue lol, just saying what I have seen, and before explained why I don't use haste

[lusty wren]

Less argument more surprised to hear someone feel it was so expendable 😄

[untold badge]

Yeah I think he’s just an anti meta gamer

[graceful frost]

except not having enough knowledge if the build I was using

[untold badge]

Typical

[graceful frost]

not rlly?

dont see why your assumin so much

[untold badge]

Well you don’t use what’s good cuz you want to use what’s fun

Anti meta gaming

[graceful frost]

I am not arguing haste is bad or anything or you shouldnt use it? I said a few good wizards I watched didnt use it for a bit and did fine, not saying that nobody should. and if the build I was using I didnt have enough knowledge for it not because im some "anti meta gamer" like your assuming

[untold badge]

Mm fireball haste invis ignite or zap

[graceful frost]

didnt have knowledge for that, also I like ignite and zap and since I didnt have knowledge I switched to that

look idc, didnt wanna argue not sure why your so adamant on this

[untold badge]

First 4 Is undeniably irreplaceable

Anti meta gamers are just cringe who defy logic and enjoy putting themselves at a disadvantage. It’s funny tbh

[graceful frost]

dont see why your bringing that up like anybody cares?'

not an anti meta gamer

[untold badge]

You are

[graceful frost]

lmao mans mad at people tryna have fun

[graceful frost]

in what way? its like you don't listen. didnt use haste with the build cause didnt have knowledge, with default wiz which I didnt play the entire playtest on wiz you cant run mm fireball invis haste zap/ignite not enough knowledge. and I didn't have enough knowledge that often, again cause I didnt play wizard an insane amount and would forget to change to it when I actually had knowledge

so if you wanna stop making braindead assumptions and tryna start a war

you come in here, and dont listen to what I say when I explain myself, adamant that im a "anti meta gamer" and on arguing with me about nothing

[ocean quartz]

Last playtest you could run invis haste fireball mm zap/ignite with literally any +1 knowledge gear, which at the leatherworker was always there in the form of gloves btw

[graceful frost]

Pretty sure it took at least 2

From what I’m reading you start with 12 base knowledge and it takes 15 for everything

Haste and mm are 3 each zap is 1 fireball and invis are 4

[ocean quartz]

it took 3+ if you didnt get the perk that increases knowledge, but thats why there was a perk for knowledge, so you don't have to gear optimize every run

[graceful frost]

Might have been messing with it before throwing the perk on when I made the character so that’s why. Also since didn’t play wizard an insane amount around level 15 at the end I didn’t have a place for arcane mastery which takes use time down by like 1 second until the end of the playtest when I had room so not having that makes it harder to throw on haste invis and then go and magic missle someone

[untold badge]

movement speed is the only useful stat in the game. the entire game rn revolves around it so why would u actively not use the reason the class is broken thats my point dude. at that point u dont grasp a basic understanding of the current game so maybe u arent antimeta ur just mindlessly playing a game without trying to understand it which isnt much better. i dont understand the concept of playing games that are like this "hardcore and competitive" strickly for fun.

i enjoy killing other people in a mostly pvp game so if i can kill them easier i enjoy it more.

duh?

[analog burrow]

no sound is

[graceful frost]

again assuming I dont grasp a basic understanding of the game, or im mindlessly playing the game. Its like you dont read? First of all, I did not play wizard for that long, at the end he was prolly around level 15. Because I did not play him much, I did not have enough knowledge to run all of those perks. Because of that I switched out haste, cause I wanted invis. Another reason for this is I saw a few good wizard players running a build without haste, it was prolly a couple game thing. So can you stop assuming random bs like "Antimeta" or "mindlessly playing the game" "grasp a basic understanding" Do you have the ability to not be a jerk? I am not saying that you shouldn't run haste, or that its bad, or that I wont run haste when I have the knowledge, or that no wizard runs haste. Read what Im saying dont just repeat the same assumptions and pin me as stupid.

[blazing flame]

@eager canopy Why not Liam? I'm curious as to why you think an informed Player Reputation isn't needed in the game?

There should be a system in place that tells of a Player's Reputation, I think even better, that the other Players who actually played with them get to decide that. Especially if they're TK'd by a troll, they should have the option to decide on whether or not this Player genuinely killed them on purpose or it was a mistake.

@somber wind Why do you think there shouldn't be a Rep System in place where a Player can make a judgement call on being TKd? Just genuinely curious.

I guess I'm looking for the downside to it, besides people just wanting to get away with being trolls?

[somber wind]

So I think that it should feel closer to a mercenary system where you look at peoples Karma and make judgement calls

and if you get killed by that person it becomes your fault

Karma is already planned so another system ontop of it feels abit much

[blazing flame]

I see, so it's basically the system I was stating just with the added 'Judgement' part

[somber wind]

It doesn't punish anyone it just hurts potential

[blazing flame]

I didn't realize there was going to officially be a Karma

[somber wind]

Yee

In LFG chat ingame

your name will be anywhere from Green to Red

with Red being you've killed alot of teammates

most likely most of them

[blazing flame]

Does it deplete over time?

And it's based on TK I'm guessing

[somber wind]

It depletes by doing runs where you don't team kill from my understanding

[eager canopy]

say i kill my friend for loot i dont want to be punished for that

[somber wind]

but there's not full info on forgiveness for it yet

[blazing flame]

@eager canopy The Punishment would have simply been a mark that says you're a TKer, nothing more...but since Zandorum already states that there's a system in place or planned, then you will be Punished for it....which makes me smile

I pretty much knew I would have a lot of would-be trolls down voting it

@somber wind So in the case of an accidental TK, it doesn't matter? It just goes closer to red?

[somber wind]

Yes, but I do think there should be the ability to not fault someone

[blazing flame]

@somber wind That would be my reasoning behind the system of optional GUI\

[somber wind]

but that probably wont exist in this first version

[upbeat pewter]

Forgiveness not required. I imagine it can just be tweaked so that it requires a lot for red, and you'll recover faster in normal play

[blazing flame]

@upbeat pewter and that is why I think there should be marks instead of colors...simply because it doesn't hold the same merit

[somber wind]

Forgiveness what I originally said I more ment how it "regenerates" your Karma

[upbeat pewter]

Same merit where?

[somber wind]

Since we don't have clear info on how to gain Karma

but we know how we lose it

[lusty wren]

Im more curious how long it will take for me to farm a red name

[upbeat pewter]

Yeah, definitely need clear info. Might be runs without tk

But have to know for sure.

[somber wind]

It could be that and time as well

[blazing flame]

It's simplistic to decide on marks against a Player, unless the Karma shows you a meter of stats as to how the Player got in the red.

[somber wind]

Once I got my full gear setup

[upbeat pewter]

The best penalty.

[somber wind]

in LFG chat I will be offering to do runs for gold lol

[upbeat pewter]

Time spent playing healbot cleric

[somber wind]

but because I'd be helping alot

My name will be very green

[blazing flame]

I mean a color is fine, but marks are definitive...you have 23 against you, that means 23 Players that you TKd believe you did so on purpose

[somber wind]

and if I once in awhile smack someone upside the head for their gear

I'll probably stay green

LUL

I'll be honest

I kinda like it being vague

[blazing flame]

And say you decide to green up by doing some none TK dungeons, with marks that wouldn't matter, they stay on until the time limit is done.

[somber wind]

It allows for a little bit of evil

I like the idea of having to gauge people

with Karma being a guide

[blazing flame]

So there's no quick manipulation of the system

I mean we're talking about a near identical system just portrayed differently

And I honestly think it's more definitive vs a color scheme where you may not know how long it takes to get there. Especially if explained to new players, "Hey, these are Marks, these happen to a Player when...etc." and they instantly know. Meh

[blazing flame]

It allows for alittle bit of evil...I see now

XD

A Mark would be a for sure thing whereas Color allows you to push the lines on other Player's judgements

[wide sage]

Thoughts: Perpetual rotating map similar to apex. When you go through the portal, the next level is just a different map filled with the next lobby of people

OR, to repopulate the lower levels, its filled with people that pushed into deeper layers from different matches

[reef cosmos]

only if you could q for b2

[real trellis]

.shortinfo 1584258

[eager sable]

Suggestion from PK#7943

[Full loot on death community is infested with cheaters. I know this is a big ask. Your game will make you more money if you focus on a kernel level anti cheat vs something like battlestate. Valorant should be the staple for anti cheat. Look at cycle frontier as a great game that got crippled by cheaters.]

Opinion:

+24

Suggestions Feed Post

[Suggestions Feed Post](#d-and-d-suggestions message)

Suggestion ID: 1584258 | Submitted at · Feb 5, 2023, 11:37 PM

[real trellis]

Absofrickinlutely not

Kernel-level anticheat is just asking for trouble

[mossy ruin]

valorant got their kernel shit shutdown

[real trellis]

In addition to being annoying software that is nearly impossible for the layman to get rid of even if they stop playing the game, and all the false-flags kernel-level anticheat tends to pop up, it also exposes your PC to malicious third parties who can hijack the anticheat and make it install shit on your computer without your knowledge or sayso

You're basically installing a backdoor into your system

[mossy ruin]

In a perfect world its great, but realistically its dangerous

the best anti cheat will be beginner queues for new accounts, link verified phone, and one time purchase of game. On top of tracking data and finding outliers which they already do im sure

[real trellis]

That and locking certain regions so they can only play with themselves...

Cheaters love to region-hop and ruin things for others

Hrm actually it looks like Dark and Darker doesn't have regional servers for the two places that are typically problematic in the first place so I have to wonder if they're region-locked out of playing at all

[mossy ruin]

You need to relax, go watch a kill compilation and eat or someshit ur gunna hurt ur brain before DaD PT

[shy pollen]

@stable bough Your suggestion for an icon to see if someone streaming is in highroller or not is not needed. You can already tell from a) the lack of game log info in the top right (i.e player deaths, appearance of portals) and the lack of the circle in the map (although a lot of streamers cover up the map to stop snipers). No real reason to add screen clutter for such a small group of players.

[wintry forge]

Dark and Darker is your dad? @halcyon island
#d-and-d-suggestions message

@surreal plover Let me have your cat.

[halcyon island]

Yes its my DaDy

[azure temple]

Hello, with the new karma thing.
Imagine having a list of name to "apply bad karma", how do you will deal with that?
Do you check in-game log or whatever, or just trust the community?

[surreal plover]

NnnnO!

[winged tide]

Change the female cleric model back please

[blissful bane]

add more discord party vc

[potent jay]

hope you guys are doing statistical analysis of your "download demo" decision

[stoic niche]

why is the word "high" not allowed in or as a character name? getting a feeling this game isn't for stoners 😄

[pulsar rampart]

For those that didn't notice like myself look for the download demo button.

[pure atlas]

Please loosen the name filter restrictions.

Brass is a real word, my name is Brassx and has been online since 2001. I can not use this name in dark and darker with the latest demo because it says its "not appropriate".

Its brass not ASS. Come on!

[cobalt obsidian]

The new map so far is absolutely awful with the mobs and the traps.

[wet sundial]

a loot all button would be nice for sure

[tepid shuttle]

Able to get more vc party chats?

[graceful frost]

Facts, my name with every game is touch grass cause I think it’s ironic and Funny but the word grass isn’t allowed

[cobalt obsidian]

The death beetles hug you and mana missiles go straight through them 😄

[graceful frost]

wtf are death beetles

oh god what am I in for

[cobalt obsidian]

The loot in solo feels really really bad right now. Maybe just have to learn the map a bit more but the games so short you have very little time to loot and what you do loot is the worst tier trash

And these traps are out of f'ing control

Exactly how you should be dying. traps shrouded in total darkness. Thats a good mechanic?

[dusk quail]

Welp if u make a suggestion make sure it’s a good one lol. 6 hour cooldown

[cobalt obsidian]

I suggest they playtest there shit once or twice before releasing it

🤣

[dusk quail]

Hmm I wonder what this thing we’re playing is called

[white cliff]

It’s almost like these play tests exist so they can try out what works and what doesn’t.

Crazy concept I know.

[thorny lark]

goblins move speed and damage is way too high

[floral stirrup]

bro why are the spawns of the goblin map 4034934934 creeps. They need to make it more pvp instead of pve because you are solo running

there are 43903 million goblins and other creeps

[ionic bobcat]

We need more VC channels

[simple ore]

We need more party voice channels 😮

[wild fiber]

has there been a fix found for users using virtual machines to play the game?

[fossil rose]

No

[amber tartan]

Dumb question: Why is that a problem?

[wild fiber]

i use a shadowplay to play my game since i do not have a gaming pc so?

[cobalt obsidian]

I get it now. Make the solo map as bad as they humanly can so that way no one at all asks for solo maps in the future 5d chess

[median mantle]

Suggestion. Bring back male and female, not this A and B trash.

[amber tartan]

No offense meant I was just unaware why :)

[next wagon]

So, anybody using general voip?

[jade bear]

been yelling at people, most people dont realize its default off

but ran into a handful

[next wagon]

Me too lol

actually I haven't enabled it just selected push to talk and binded it

[jade bear]

i think you actually have to turn on voice chat itself

[next wagon]

Thank u bro, I'll search for it

[jade bear]

should just be right above it

[next wagon]

found it

yeah I'm just blind

[jade bear]

yea hopefully they default it on or just make it more visible

[glad depot]

#d-and-d-suggestions message this is a necessity

[fringe tapir]

What's different about it?

[next wagon]

So what are u guys thinking about the solo map?

[azure granite]

#shadowfree

[next wagon]

I was totally against solo queue before, but I found it good to play actually

[cobalt obsidian]

The cost of bandages is way too f'ing high.

they sell in stacks of three i see now.

Ran into a bug where I couldnt do anything at all besides run around and jump. Thats a cool new feature.

[soft badger]

Would like 1 or 2 more escape portals

[next wagon]

I think it always spawn 3 or 4

normally everyone dies so I think it already is good

[soft badger]

Spawns 2-3 i think which is a bit unforgiving on a map with multiple floors

[somber wind]

I feel like the battle axe is SO bad now

Gunna just play another class then swap a better weapon to my Barbarian, I don't think I'm gunna use the battle axe at all anymore.

also, on the new map it seems like it's easier for jewelry to be in awkward places where it's not just hard to pick up but actually not possible to pick up. Since it's a test I decided to see if it was just hard to pick up (again only on the new map) but it actually was impossible, I tried for about a minute and a half.

On the normal maps though it's still very doable.

I think it's because of how uneven the rock is

[next wagon]

I only had a problem with it once, but it happened cuz I wasn't following the map lol

[soft badger]

Its not a bad map its just a bit challenging

[next wagon]

but that's is the best part bro

[soft badger]

You're right

[normal kindle]

GJ FOR MAKING ELF SKIN U CONQUERED MY SOUL! just wanted to say that sorry for caps. I will play this game forever now. ❤️

[verbal jasper]

It triggers clowns

[cobalt obsidian]

This game has so many more bugs this time around. Really makes ya nervous about the future.

I cant play ranger at all. 3 out of my last 5 runs ended in me not able to shoot arrows or open doors.

[distant night]

playtest

[candid valve]

No bugs, no issues and the solo map feels weak to me, maybe some patience and practice is needed before rushing to conclusions such as "game is bad"/"game is broken." Food for thought.

[cobalt obsidian]

Just spawned next to a hell skeleton in a corner. I feel like the devs are trolling me with the amount of fuckery i've experienced in just the first few hours this run. Its worse than last test by a mile.

[mental void]

the game usually runs well and it only now released makes sense it got some lags

[thorny spear]

make more voice channels for us please

[mental void]

am i the only one who enjoys the solo area? the only prob i have with it is people die too quickly for pvp. the game suppose to be hard and its good they made solo hard

[minor lynx]

please more channels, i hate joining other discords

[cobalt obsidian]

man I wish the solo map was good. Instead we get what feels more like a reskin and an unplayable amount of mobs with trash loot.

gonna come back tomorow see if anythings different

[ruby light]

Solo Q - SHould be a seperate player

[fringe tapir]

Solo map should be worse loot than the others anyway.

[mental void]

solo maps are done fine they are suppose to be hard and they dont need to give you purple thats why you get high roller

[ruby light]

Solo Q just needs to be just not valuable to run, but more of something to do

or solo Q characters can't play in group.

then you can have epic / legendary, but can't bring it into group Qs

[somber wind]

They give up to Purple right now

[sinful hawk]

well usually all 9 players die (incl. me) 😄 it is hard to find a portal and when you try to search for it, you will get swarmed by mobs and die 😄

[somber wind]

Normal is up to Orange

High Roller is up to Gold

[keen sage]

plz for the love of god add a blue at the last tiny circle,

[cobalt obsidian]

You can allow solo players to gear up in solo servers? Why wouldn't you want that to be a choice? Only trios should farm purples / boss loot?

You notice they made a lot of shit less cheesable as well.

As if a solo player can kite bosses while attacking them with anything other than a bow if there isn't LOS or shit to jump on.

[mental void]

you just gotta be a rat thats how this games work

[next wagon]

I can relate

[median tapir]

Maybe add a pushing mechanic. I hate getting cornered by AI and I cant move them

[next wagon]

Yo bro it is 4 portals, I just find out

[soft badger]

Ahhh didnt get 4 in any of my games but 4 fits perfectly thats why i said 1 or 2

[next wagon]

I found it in the worst scenario, 1hp and stuck in the lower levels haha

I was going to kill myself already

[sinful hawk]

imagine, found already people queuing together to solo dungeon - 2 barbs running together and killing all 😄

[soft badger]

Well hey good times at least

4 works then

[somber wind]

How does "Punish Team Killer" work?

is it against the rules to team kill?

[next wagon]

I think it is just an report troll system

[sinful hawk]

no, but people will be less likely to play with you

as they will see that you kill your teammates

[somber wind]

What's the difference between

"Punish" and "Punish Team Killer"?

[steady ember]

if everyone can like this post for dev know we need can plaing too is realy good ty#d-and-d-suggestions message

[somber wind]

What does that even mean delbass

[zenith niche]

https://streamable.com/hmzht6 fix goblins saying n word

[plush solar]

omg wtf

[finite stone]

is there a map or guide that can help me know when portals spawnm

[steady ember]

i use shadow is the dematerialised comp becose my pc are a fuckign toaster vut is detected to VM to the anti cheat and block the acces of the game ... we are actaualy 100+ to signaling this probleme and a lot more to just give up the game is bad ...

[cunning obsidian]

did anyone kill the troll already?

he oneshots even on good armor

[next wagon]

💀

[next wagon]

how do I find it?

pls

[cunning obsidian]

solo dungeon basement

its a rock door

[next wagon]

it is a fixed location?

[cunning obsidian]

yeah

[next wagon]

Thank u

[sick dawn]

I think there's too many mobs in the new solo dungeon. Trying to start out, you get two tapped pretty much if you're not careful and then you also have to worry about players. Nowhere to really move without aggro

[shrewd lantern]

omg why solo q harden then 100g map like 1000 times harder i meet 0 ppl cause they all die to goblins

[sick dawn]

I think they should make the solo dungeon a good way to get some decent starting gear, but restrict it once you reach a certain gear score or something

[shrewd lantern]

no just make normal solo q and hard solo q liek group maps dats it this one just super hard

[cobalt obsidian]

This game feels like dogshit this time. I cant figure out whats made it so much worse. Might be the disappointment in the solo map that is really biasing me.

[shrewd lantern]

toll one shot u

[keen peak]

yeah i tried to fight troll and got one shot lmao

solo dungeon is easy af, the whole lobby dies to goblins

easy money

[exotic linden]

Archer class gets bugged cant do anything no reload no interaction nothing

[shrewd lantern]

solo map the best just need a bit pve nerf so ppl can pvp

and make hard solo map for 100g

and all be happy

[lethal quiver]

Dude stop complaining , can't wait to see your game once you developp it . I got the same problem as you, just be patient

[shrewd lantern]

Yo he cant get in to the game and game will be done in 1 week u think he has a good time now ?

[next wagon]

Found it, already trying to chesse it

[gusty schooner]

gathering hall not showing whos inviting 😦

[lethal quiver]

i'm also stuck, i'm a shadow user also . I don't critize the dev job ...

This attitude bring nothing , they're aware of the issues just wait and be positive

[keen peak]

dont need to nerf it, people just need to learn how to fight the goblins and stop dying

[keen peak]

invites not showing up when you click scroll on top right?

[shrewd lantern]

no dude there 1 mistake u half hp and u fight pve to mucvh there ull die to ppl who just afk wating u

[keen peak]

bring in 3 potions, 18g. then you can get hit once or twice

[pseudo oriole]

its hard for people to bring in health pots if they havent extracted yet haha

[jovial mantle]

add ShadowApp in your game please ! 🙂

[gusty schooner]

i am getting the invite and i now see how to inspect the person who is inviting but it shows nothing about who else is in group

[keen peak]

valid lol. i have been taking it slow in the solo dungeon and usually everyone dies and i get a free extract. not getting his is most important, lots of people rushing to their deaths

[gusty schooner]

suggest keeping all the discord channels so people can link them to join grp as it was in previous tests 😛

[pearl breach]

I get the need for slow mode because its busy in this discord, but bro....30 minutes? may as well just lock the discord at that point, can't discuss anything or help out newer players asking questions lol

[vague gale]

Why are there only 100 static voice channels? There's tons of bots that just handle all that for you

[cobalt obsidian]

Why are we still desyncing into traps. We cant reliably crouch jump over them. Jesus man.

[white cliff]

Is this the suggestions discussion channel or the complaints channel, Jesus man.

[cobalt obsidian]

Maybe we move slower this test? So it feels significantly worse?

The game definitely feels slower movement wise. Its not for the best either.

[keen peak]

i crouch jump over most traps. bait the trap by getting close>walk 1 or 2 steps after trap goes down> crouch jump over

works 90% of the time

[shrewd lantern]

portals sux in this game i swear

[cobalt obsidian]

Yeah theres alot that sucked in previous tests but the game was over all still fun.

Just killed a two man? Well f you zones here no loot for you. F your effort!

[keen peak]

circle does like no damage bro, loot your kills then dip

[white cliff]

Is every message going to be a complaint from you or?

[heady bison]

Whitelist Shadow...just spent $30 on it to play this playtest and its now banned as a VM. No hackers are going to spend $30 for a new Shadow to cheat on your free game

[graceful frost]

English?

[cobalt obsidian]

I just got out ran by a f'ing barb 😄 as an archer

What a joke

[graceful frost]

Barb fast

[white cliff]

My guy, can you shut up?

[white cliff]

What?

[dusty sentinel]

REDUCE ALL DAMAGE TO TOES

[graceful frost]

Who are you referring to

[white cliff]

The guy posting 10 complaints.

[graceful frost]

Ah lol

[heady bison]

@white cliff Shadow PC is a paid Windows gaming PC cloud service for people that don't have good hardware or on Mac, etc.

I paid $30 just this morning only to play Dark & Darker and the devs anti-cheat software have now banned it, unlike the last play tests. There are ways for them to whitelist it. For other VMs it makes sense to ban but no hackers are going to use a paid VM service to cheat.

Never had this issue on another game before, presumably because other devs whitelist Shadow

[fading forge]

Valorant be like :

[graceful frost]

?

True lol

[fallen falcon]

Not a massive fan of the trading changes because it's 10x harder to shift items that may have rolled things useful for other classes, for instance agility pendant with magic damage boosts - you're unable to link it in the wizard trade chat

Reckon that trade chat restriction is unnecessary as a result

[fading forge]

Troll ? We cant touch Valorant on Shadow since the release because Riot dont want to whitelist Shadow

[jovial mantle]

Need this game on Shadow App please !!

[royal jolt]

Shadow devs are aware and said they will try to reach out to Ironmace devs, please upvote my post in #d-and-d-suggestions to bring attention to dnd devs

Ironmace said they'd support geforce now (in the future) so they're likely open to working with shadow devs to fix it for us for the time being 🙂

[cobalt obsidian]

The desync in this game is bad. Better than tarkov but still awful. Its the reason the animation bug exists.

[white cliff]

Who are you talking to?

[cobalt obsidian]

Its like when the server desyncs mid action it thinks the action is still ongoing and you cant cancel it.

[white cliff]

Sir this is a Wendy’s.

[cobalt obsidian]

Not talking to you kidd 😄 you should go about your own business

[white cliff]

It’s the suggestion discussion channel not general.

Kindly crawl back into your dark crevasse.

I’d like to discuss the suggestions instead of listening to people complain yes.

That’s what I’m asking for thanks.

[cobalt obsidian]

You should just mind your own business kidd

[white cliff]

Maybe you should get a pc that can run the game. 😉

[cobalt obsidian]

I have a 13900k and a 4080 :HyperShake:

If my PC cant run this game pretty much no ones can 😄

Im gonna go back to ignoring him.

[white cliff]

Dreams just going to go back to not playing the game I guess.

I just see a guy not able to run the game because he’s playing on a potato.

[brave cosmos]

pleeeeeaaaaase accept shadow ! my friend can't play to your beautiful game he's crying like a baby right now

[rugged tinsel]

So my game is constantly crashing and previously on the last playtest my game has not crashed at all, what could be the issue other than 3rd party programs? (Yes, I have verfied and reinstalled my game multiple times)

[ember bison]

is someone would be what to do about teleportations/rollbacks in the game. Sometimes I can play quietly without it and the next game I have it all the time

[void plaza]

Just go back to the first version... U broke you r video game

[royal jolt]

here are the 2 suggestions regarding shadow pc, if you haven't done it already go ahead and upvote them to hopefully get ironmace's eyes on it asap:

1. #d-and-d-suggestions message
2. #d-and-d-suggestions message

[upbeat dust]

is it me or only 1 portal shows up i singals?

[toxic grove]

up to 3

[bright yew]

they need to get rid of the garbage maze tile

[upbeat dust]

aw hell no

[signal forge]

question- what are the lights coneccted in the graphics settings? beacuse i set everything to low and now torches produce no light... it might just be beacose of my computor but just wanted to ask

[shrewd lantern]

they need to make more portals its so bad now i die so much cause no portals

[deep glen]

huh, this 30 min slow mode on general kinda makes it impossible to answer peoples questions

I suppose this isn't something that has to do with the game but the discord so maybe its not a topic for here

[sturdy ibex]

@daring raven You earn that currency by getting out of dungeons alive.

[daring raven]

but my pov is this is only in the betas, we dont know what will be in release, even with that, i dont like the stats on the skins

[sturdy ibex]

They had the skeletons in the last one, just something extra to earn for getting out alive.

[daring raven]

i dont like the stats in skins thats all T.T

[sturdy ibex]

Ah well at least its just 1/1 that really doesnt account to much if youve ran enough to earn the currency to get them by that time you got bonuses all over the place for your gear and enough gold to replace whatever you lost to get more back.

[heady bison]

Here are the 2 suggestions regarding Shadow PC, upvote them to hopefully get Ironmace's eyes on it ASAP:

1. #d-and-d-suggestions message
2. #d-and-d-suggestions message

[dim trench]

The Poison seems a little un-necessary for the goblins in my opinion.

[sturdy ibex]

Plus its a first person game, all you really are every going to see of your character is in the lobby or their hands if they aren't wearing gloves.

[shrewd lantern]

stuck in match making wtf

[wide sage]

got booted from the tavern and now it's stuck connecting. anyone else before I restart the game?

[cobalt obsidian]

Been saying this for the last two play tests. Will they listen? At this point the hopium is low.

[vestal bramble]

every fight plays out at 1 fps in this game now, and they kept the worst tiles in the base map for some reason. Bring back having fun

[old lichen]

Shadow pls 🙏🙏

[gloomy bear]

they're here to stay

[cobalt obsidian]

ackhtually shome peopole like dying to twaps in da maze.

[wide sage]

Oh no, my deathtrap dungeon has deathtraps. What has the world come to

[wise quest]

I love the maze. Usually ran INTO it if I was being chased. With the rogue skill that lets you see traps you could avoid most of them easily without a single torch.

[plain token]

just crouch in the maze lol

[sharp grail]

How link in trade chat?

[heady bison]

Here are the 2 suggestions regarding Shadow PC, upvote them to hopefully get Ironmace's eyes on it ASAP:

1. #d-and-d-suggestions message
2. #d-and-d-suggestions message

[sacred hill]

So they just added a solo queue...

[dim oar]

yea @sacred hill with a million freaking goblins thats hunt you down aint nobody survive that unless you get blessed with a portal

[strong kayak]

not nearly enough blue portals on cave

[outer niche]

@celest swallow there already is a delay

[royal jolt]

#known-bugs message looks like they are working on a fix for shadow

[white cliff]

I think it’s fine, it’s to gauge how many people will actually play it. And to see if they need to actually put recourses into it.

I’m pretty sure they’re the same models from the other UE5 pack as well so no harm no foul.

[unkempt stone]

Fix the stuttering please

[vapid osprey]

WHY CANT I TOGGLE CROUCH ?!?!?! WTF IS THIS 1995 SUPER MARIO BROS????

good god the most simple thing to add and its not a thing like who the fuck wants to hold down the crouch button the whole time they crouch , this is 2023 jesus

[celest swallow]

Not for Barb

[gusty schooner]

solo dungeon is trolling lol

[drifting herald]

what happened to the flight path of arrows?? i get making it a little weaker to make the ability of projectile speed more viable but why did you guys nerf the velocity of a normal bow soooooo hard? its not fun playing ranger at all anymore. the bow feels like a nerf gun, no bow in the world fires an arrow that drops to the ground after 10 ft.

[drowsy rose]

yes its actually insane how much we got nerfed when they said that they think ranger doesnt need nerfs and is totally fine rn

[opaque nacelle]

am i the only that hates the circle and how we extract in this game?

[analog sparrow]

the bleed that goblins inflict is so unserious lol. why so much?

[upper tangle]

@dawn grotto One super suggestion would be to have more party lobbies in this lovely Discord server. perhaps an extra 201 rooms so we can communicate more efficiently?? 🙂