its not really logic if the answer is found before the question
#suggestion-discussion
upbeat pewter
west cloak
Or you get backstabbed for your loot
vital fox
yea fr.. see you guys in the solo dungeon!
boreal sun
"they're added at the same time so one is bad because the other does something that already existed in the game"
cunning rapids
im not even being mean
runic musk
Why isnt the devs tailoring the game for me 👺
upbeat pewter
people didnt make the devs do anything
boreal sun
if the devs added it, they wanted it
upbeat pewter
the devs figured that will all the interest, they probably should try it out
cunning rapids
bc they community wanted it
vital fox
they did say the only reason they added it was because of so many ppl asking
runic musk
They expressed they are testing solo queur
upbeat pewter
it doesnt mean they had to. they made a decision based on feedback
boreal sun
clearly they figured it would be a worthwhile addition if they put in the programming
runic musk
Kek
boreal sun
go in with an open mind trevor
don't say "I don't want it" before it even exists
it's going to be tested, and you should test it fairly
vital fox
and remember, if solo que really hurts normal lobby que times, they will probably remove it before the end of the test
cunning rapids
with voip, the gear and classes being balanced for 3v3 and all the invisibility in the game i think it will be bad
runic musk
You are legit just makeing points about voip being bad
cunning rapids
no i like voip
sturdy spear
did the devs say there will be solo queue?
cunning rapids
i think voip in solo queue is bad
runic musk
Voio is shit since kidd cant socialize
boreal sun
there's a solo-only dungeon coming out
west cloak
Why do you think voip for 1v1 is worse then voip for 3v3?
runic musk
You turn like 22 and usually you learn yo behabe
west cloak
It's the same
boreal sun
their goal is to make several dungeons that people can opt into, each with unique traits
sturdy spear
they have listened to us not the bigots
boreal sun
one is a solo dungeon
sturdy spear
:0
cunning rapids
they have listened to us not the bigots
seee
upbeat pewter
imo, the best thing about this soloQ test is that there likely will be a 4v4 test
cunning rapids
they listened to there community lol
runic musk
No remove 4v4 please
upbeat pewter
lol 4v4 will be awesome
sturdy spear
i think it would be fun
runic musk
It kinda needs another map
sturdy spear
just get some random people to accept you into their team here in this discord
upbeat pewter
would need a pretty large open map though
boreal sun
the game isn't finished, so there's no telling what format will be the final format
sturdy spear
It kinda needs another map
oh yeah that's true i think
boreal sun
it's entirely possible that the final game will only allow duos
lol
we cant know now
we can only test and see what works
hollow oasis
Would be an amazing dynamic to have to team with others to be able to defeat the boss, then everyone is trying to murder whoever gets the loot after and backstabbing eachother
like a true cut throat dungeon
cunning rapids
Would be an amazing dynamic to have to team with others to be able to defeat the...
yeah that would be cool but it defeats the purpose of solo queue if people are teaming, i think we have one queue and allow teaming.
no need to cut queue times
hollow oasis
never seen a queue time in this game tbh
pretty much instant 24/7 during the play test
upbeat pewter
i think you need to let go of teaming being a bad thing
this isnt a competitive even sided game.
cunning rapids
i think you need to let go of teaming being a bad thing
i just said it was cool tho?
upbeat pewter
you may as well start queuing all players based on gearscore
your argument is all over the place then.
teaming is bad, teaming is good, soloqueue is bad, soloqueue is fine
cunning rapids
you may as well start queuing all players based on gearscore
i said we allow teaming lmao noo you cant read
im stance is clear this whole time
hollow oasis
you guys should solo que, kill a boss together then fight to the death after
sounds fun to me
cunning rapids
i dont want solo queue
teaming in solo queue is bad
teaming in 3v3 is good bc there is already teams
hollow oasis
i enjoy soloing in 3v3
upbeat pewter
there are already teams in soloQ too.
cunning rapids
i would love to team up with another solo and fight 2v3 groups
upbeat pewter
teams of 1
hollow oasis
i dont see why i would have an issue with teams in solo
boreal sun
teaming in solo queue is not a flaw with solo queue
it is literally impossible to prevent players from forming temporary alliances if they choose to
see: tf2 friendlies
cunning rapids
i dont see why i would have an issue with teams in solo
ok so people complain there is teaming 1v3
so we add solo queue
just to have solo queue fulled with temaing?
hollow oasis
its good to have solo queue for nabs
boreal sun
trevor, people will join solo queue because they don't want to team or be teamed
do you think these people are likely to team?
do you think this teaming thing will be a common problem?
hollow oasis
not everyone wants to rat in the shadows 1v3
i happen to enjoy it
but its not for everyone
cunning rapids
trevor, people will join solo queue because they don't want to team or be teamed...
idk if it will be common but if there is a solo queue there should be 0 teaming
boreal sun
you're asking for an impossibility
cunning rapids
in 3v3 we should encourage the solos to team up
hollow oasis
would be interesting to pair random players solo, with team mates
cunning lintel
in 3v3 we should encourage the solos to team up
LFG exists, ask for a party, boom 2v3 you wanted...
vital fox
yes, they have an actual LFG mechanic in the game now
hollow oasis
lfg doesnt work lets be honest
boreal sun
it is impossible to make it so players are unable to form alliances if they choose to
hollow oasis
if you want a group you need discord
vital fox
along with voip
boreal sun
if both players decide to not attack, that's it
that is not a problem with solo queue itself
cunning rapids
LFG exists, ask for a party, boom 2v3 you wanted...
then why add solo queue
cunning rapids
ok
cunning lintel
lfg doesnt work lets be honest
I can tell you've never played before just by reading what you're typing here
cunning rapids
then they queue in the normal group
hollow oasis
i have level 20 of everything no need to be rude
cunning rapids
you can queue in 1v3
hollow oasis
lfg is a waste of time if you want a party best way is to go in a party channel
boreal sun
and people solo only queue so they are less likely to get teamed
hollow oasis
lfg is not efficient and no one uses it that has a clue
cunning lintel
then why add solo queue
Never said anything about adding solo queue.
boreal sun
but do you think ganks and ambushes won't happen in a solo dungeon?
if two people are fighting, nothing is stopping a rogue from sneaking up behind one and killing them
cunning rapids
but do you think ganks and ambushes won't happen in a solo dungeon?
no i think that will be super common and unfun
boreal sun
that'll happen
it'll be less common than fighting structured 1v3s
and more fun
than that situation
cunning rapids
that'll happen
again its a lot easyer to avoid a team of 3
boreal sun
which is what the solo players want
cunning rapids
then it is to see inviable playes
cunning lintel
lfg is not efficient and no one uses it that has a clue
Literally a lot of people searched for party in LFG channels, what are you talking about?
hollow oasis
its a waste of time
boreal sun
there's nothing to say other than "yes, sometimes this thing will happen" but that's not a reason in of itself to completely exclude a solo dungeon
you need better reason than "game functions"
hollow oasis
if you dont know how to find a group by now in discord your hopeless 😄
boreal sun
because two players attacking one player at the same time is just
a thing that can happen regardless of what queue you're in
hollow oasis
i feel like you just get off on arguing though. Grow up man. We can tell your compensating by your name too xD
cunning lintel
i feel like you just get off on arguing though. Grow up man. We can tell your co...
Who are you talking to?
cunning rapids
solo queue will be filled with rogues, rangers and wizards they will all be invisible you will die to someone you cant see, but if you queue solo in 1v3 you can easily avoid groups of 3
boreal sun
I mean, there's no better way to ruin an argument than to use pointless attacks on names/appearances
lol
ad-hominin is one of the worst debate sins
boreal sun
solo queue will be filled with rogues, rangers and wizards they will all be invi...
you can't know what it will or won't be like until you play it
cunning lintel
I think he's on drugs or something
slate tartan
I mean, there's no better way to ruin an argument than to use pointless attacks ...
That's generally the play when they sense an inevitable loss
cunning rapids
you can't know what it will or won't be like until you play it
no but i can infer with logic
cunning rapids
you can't know what it will or won't be like until you play it
why would you play cleric solo
boreal sun
as I said before, you're operating entirely on theory
in a game that isn't finished
on a feature that isn't implemented
nothing you infer matters right now
cunning rapids
it does tho
slate tartan
To you maybe
boreal sun
the classes and the gamemode can and will change
cunning rapids
the classes and the gamemode can and will change
yes but rn its not
hollow sentinel
they added solo queue to quieten the swathes of babies that use reddit and discord
slate tartan
@cunning rapids read the dev qna, they didn't add it because people asked 😂
cunning lintel
They added solo dungeon, because people spammed about adding solo queue in general chat
cunning rapids
<@179741321622323200> read the dev qna, they didn't add it because people asked ...
lol
slate tartan
To them it's not even a solo queue, which you would know if you had any info
hollow sentinel
yeah it's the tutorial mode
cunning rapids
To them it's not even a solo queue, which you would know if you had any info
they confirmed it as solo queue
slate tartan
Reddit must be right tho aye 😂
boreal sun
it's pointless to be a purist on a mechanic that isn't implemented in a game that's not even in beta yet and doesn't have a concrete final decision on most of its mechanics
cunning lintel
I don't want to break rules, so i'm not gonna comment on that..
cunning rapids
it's pointless to be a purist on a mechanic that isn't implemented in a game tha...
i guess its pointless to talk about the game at all then we are not the devs guys we dont controll them stop commenting its pointless
cunning rapids
don't strawman me
its pointless to even be on discord man
boreal sun
go to bed
cunning lintel
Let me say this: what do you expect to be talked about in "suggestion-discussion" channel?
cunning rapids
why did the devs add a discuss tab if its pointless to discuss the game
see lmaoooo
boreal sun
it's to discuss suggestions made in the suggestions channel
cunning lintel
it's to discuss suggestions made in the suggestions channel
No, read the rules...
cunning rapids
it's to discuss suggestions made in the suggestions channel
then stop telling me it pointless to talk about stuff
cunning lintel
"- suggestion-discussion Want to talk about a really cool suggestion? Perhaps something needs some balance? Head here to discuss it!"
boreal sun
of course, me saying your suggestion is pointless is a discussion of that suggestion
cunning rapids
you said it like 3 times tho
slate tartan
I'm pretty sure this whole argument has been said 3 times
cunning lintel
I'm pretty sure "solo queue" is a bad thing and "solo dungeon" can be good if implemented in a good way...
boreal sun
I mean yeah
welcome to internet discussion, where when someone is given a counterargument, they just cycle back to their original idea and never actually reevaluate their position
slate tartan
I'm pretty sure "solo queue" is a bad thing and "solo dungeon" can be good if im...
I agree with this
cunning lintel
So far we're going to get "solo dungeon", not "solo queue" and i highly hope "solo queue" will never be a thing...
cunning rapids
ok so when i said solo queue is bad yall flamed me?
yall were like its poinless to talk about it
hollow sentinel
any solo content bad tbh
boreal sun
you gave very poor reasoning for why you thought solo queue was bad
cunning rapids
yall were like no it could be good
hollow sentinel
watch a movie or do some chores while you wait for your homies if you're too scared to play solo
cunning rapids
i gave really good reasons why solo queue was bad
slate tartan
Not really lol
cunning rapids
if not good there were still reasons
cunning lintel
I'll tell you why solo queue is bad and why people don't want it, especially after seeing a lot of "normies", "spoiled ones" and other people "crying" for it in general channel and reddit
cunning rapids
it cute queue times
boreal sun
well you can axe the latter half of that statement because it's all ad-hom, but go on
cunning rapids
the meta in solo queue will prob be invisibility
hollow sentinel
queue times are a non issue
slate tartan
In HR at a certain point at night queue's are 6-7 mins for me anyways
west cloak
The only thing said was wait for the playtest to come out to judge it-- its a playtest and the devs want to test things. Personally I like solo queuing in the 3-man dungeon/high roller but I'm willing to give it a good go
cunning rapids
wait are the still having hr and solo queue ?
hollow sentinel
The only thing said was wait for the playtest to come out to judge it-- its a pl...
the thing is, solo dungeon is going to be entirely dominated by the players who are normally happy to play 1v3
it's not going to be the promised safespace for discord and reddit whingers
west cloak
the thing is, solo dungeon is going to be entirely dominated by the players who ...
So?
cunning rapids
or are they also adding a hr solo?
hollow sentinel
or are they also adding a hr solo?
I highly doubt it
hollow sentinel
The babies will get a kick to the face
that's my mission
boreal sun
they'll find something else to blame
cunning rapids
ok so we will have only 3 different queues?
hollow sentinel
be as virtually and verbally abusive as possible without copping the ban
west cloak
I'm failing to see the issue
Solo que could be fun-- most of the good players will still be on high roller
cunning lintel
Solo queue was never planned, solo queue would never be balanced if you balance the game for groups, solo queue means more waiting time, solo queue means meta abuse, which means no fun nor fairness, solo queue means lower difficulty, lower risk and most importantly lower effort loot, while someone else goes 1v3, gets only some loot, because he had to run from mobs and barely escapes with the last portal, it's a "shitshow"
hollow sentinel
yes but i piss and shit my pants every time I lose a 1v3 because it's """"unfair"""" so give me a solo queue (100000 upvotes)
boreal sun
but for a few
cunning rapids
plus voip in solo queue promotes teaming
so why have solo queue if voip add some level of teaming
west cloak
Because teams formed in dungeon are shakey
cunning rapids
truee
west cloak
I love backstabbing people
cunning rapids
but sometimes they wont
west cloak
So?
cunning rapids
then the solo player is mad they got teamed on
right like 3 pople show up they kill the one dude and then the last 2 fight
west cloak
True but there's also going to be more 6-9 man teams in the regular dungeon
cunning rapids
the dude still got teamed in solo queue
west cloak
Using the same logic
hollow sentinel
I'm absolutely going to spend the first few days instantly teamkilling people to get that sweet red name
cunning lintel
The biggest reason i wouldn't like solo queue to exist is because i'd like the game to stay as it is, fun and fair, you come alone, you deal with 1v3 sometimes, you come with friends, you die with friends, it's fun, challenging and entertaining, no need to "ruin it" with something that's never gonna be fun nor fair and it is, then only for people abusing unfun things...
cunning rapids
True but there's also going to be more 6-9 man teams in the regular dungeon
yes and as a solo player its very easy to avoid teams of 3
west cloak
I'm absolutely going to spend the first few days instantly teamkilling people to...
I'm not going to get the red name-- I'll kill people in dungeon that you use voip to team with but I'm not going to invite people just to stab em in the back
west cloak
yes and as a solo player its very easy to avoid teams of 3
Then avoid them in solo
boreal sun
Solo queue was never planned, solo queue would never be balanced if you balance ...
-something being planned is irrelevant, the game is still in a very young state
-parties will be the meta if the game is balanced for parties, a single player can never have the power level of 3 players as long as content is not scaled for player count
-fun is subjective, some will have fun soloing and some will have fun partying
-fairness won't be relevant if the game continues to have random spawns and random loot, so it's kind of moot to complain about
-parties are easier due to backup, revives, saving items on death, etc.
-same with low risk and low effort loot; if someone can save your items for you, there's less risk
-solo dungeon is specifically going to be limited in terms of rewards anyway, so you can't get "lower effort loot" if the loot is not equivalent in its power to something a party can manage
cunning rapids
seee
there he is againg
its pointless to talk about it
lmaooo
something being planned is irrelevant so we shouldnt discuss it
hollow sentinel
-something being planned is irrelevant, the game is still in a very young state
...
Trouble with the game being in an early state is that drastic changes tend to have far more dramatic effects further in the game's life
boreal sun
each of these points can lead into a much longer discussion but
west cloak
Well-- we're getting solo que regardless so there's no reason to pass judgment until we all try it out ^
cunning lintel
-something being planned is irrelevant, the game is still in a very young state
...
Half of what you've just said doesn't even relate to what i've said tho..
cunning lintel
You didn't even understand it tho...
boreal sun
like I said
you made many points in a short post
and didn't elaborate
each point could be a much longer discussion
west cloak
I think there are better ways to balance solos in 3 man dungeons but that's not for us to decide
boreal sun
with much more elaboration and clarification
cunning rapids
i think adding voip increases teaming so having a solo queue is pointless id be really mad if i died thinking im play to 1v1 and i get 1v2 ed
boreal sun
those are just the general counterpoints to the smaller points you made
west cloak
something being planned is irrelevant so we shouldnt discuss it
You can discuss it-- just saying there's no reason to take a hard stance until you've tried it
If you don't want to play it then don't
cunning rapids
You can discuss it-- just saying there's no reason to take a hard stance until y...
nah i was being sarcastic candelle has told me like 4 times discussing stuff is pointless
west cloak
Pretty simple
boreal sun
I especially want to counter the "fun and fair" part
fun is subjective, some will enjoy the game as a solo and some will enjoy the game in parties
your sense of fun does not trump everyone else's, it's an entirely subjective argument
as for fairness, this game is rife with rng, ganks, etc.
it's hard to argue this game is anywhere near fair, so idk where your appeal to fairness comes from
cunning rapids
I especially want to counter the "fun and fair" part
fun is subjective, some wil...
its not solo if people use voip to team
thats my point
boreal sun
I'm talking to sword
cunning lintel
I especially want to counter the "fun and fair" part
fun is subjective, some wil...
The game is fair as long as people agree to search for a match, it doesn't mean perfectly balanced...
boreal sun
you're claiming that soloqueue would impact the game being "fun and fair as is"
which implies you have some sense of fairness in the base gameplay you want to preserve
west cloak
I think it's more balanced because as a solo you're not going to find a teammate every game-- you're also taking a risk in teaming with a rando
cunning lintel
Game right now is fun and fair, you want to go solo vs x? that's fun and fair
boreal sun
if you can't point to that fairness and what it means, then there's nothing to discuss there, and no reason to include it in your arguments
west cloak
And they won't have teammate outlines
cunning lintel
It wouldn't be fair if you were forced to go alone vs parties
boreal sun
when people ask for solo queue, they want solos vs solos
which would be more fair than 1v3 or 1v2
objectively speaking
cunning rapids
when people ask for solo queue, they want solos vs solos
okay with voip that could add teaming
so its not 1v1
boreal sun
we're long past that trevor
cunning rapids
i had fun 1v3
boreal sun
I'm not discussing that for a 4th time lol
west cloak
At the end of the day the best gear will still be from high roller--
boreal sun
it's not a risk thing, it's more of a power thing
cunning lintel
Nobody ever said that 1 solo player can be "as strong" as 3 like you've mentioned
Btw
cunning rapids
its a risk if you can avoid groups of 3
witch you can
group of 3s are supper easy to avoid
boreal sun
you said solo queue will result in meta abuse
which implies solo players will be the meta
boreal sun
you said solo queue will hurt the fun and fairness of the game
cunning rapids
if wizard is meta
cunning lintel
You just don't understand meta abuse in solo queue
cunning lintel
Meta abuse in solo queue would be wizards, ranges or stealth rogues all waiting for you to kill the boss and get all your loot with ease
cunning rapids
true
west cloak
every solo player would play wizard
That's just wrong lol-- I've solod as most of the classes minus barb
boreal sun
... requiring them to win a 1v3 after successfully going to hell
boreal sun
gotcha
cunning lintel
Idk if you're serious or not at this point..
cunning rapids
That's just wrong lol-- I've solod as most of the classes minus barb
ive also soloed and i played barb i could 1v2 pople and almost 1v3 so i avoid groups
boreal sun
well, wouldn't that result in a countermeta?
wouldn't people expect that?
and prepare for it?
how can you know what the meta will be?
cunning lintel
What counter meta? How do you counter a rogue in stealth? You can't
west cloak
ive also soloed and i played barb i could 1v2 pople and almost 1v3 so i avoid gr...
So why would 1v1 not have all the classes? I feel like fighter will be even better in 1s
boreal sun
you realize the game isn't finished
and that there may be a counter added someday
and so this problem with soloqueue would be solved
cunning lintel
You'd have to run around on shield potion all the time and that wouldn't really save you..
boreal sun
this is what I mean by "wait and see" and "don't take hardline stances before the game is anywhere near done"
cunning lintel
You realize you pull out a "game isn't finished" card whenever someone has a good argument
cunning rapids
So why would 1v1 not have all the classes? I feel like fighter will be even bett...
barb and wizard is good for 1v3, rogue is good for 1v1
cunning lintel
And if the game changes, the argument will also change
cunning lintel
"not good" to you
cunning lintel
Because you don't understand half of what i say
cunning lintel
What is unclear in "meta in solo queue" ?
boreal sun
you can't rapid-fire an entire paragraph of short points and expect people to know everything that you're thinking
meta exists everywhere
the existence of a meta is not a problem
cunning lintel
Then ask instead of deciding on what i've said for me
cunning rapids
the meta in solo queue will be steath
west cloak
barb and wizard is good for 1v3, rogue is good for 1v1
Barb shits on rogue
cunning lintel
The existance of meta in "solo queue" will be unfun and unfair, that's the argument
And if you don't see it, then you enjoy unfun gameplay, abuse meta so you're the only one to have fun
boreal sun
if you think the particular meta that might exist based on your current understanding of a playtest that happened in a month ago might be problematic if implemented now
then okay
but then the counterargument is "the game isn't finished and that will obviously be improved if it becomes a problem"
cunning lintel
Well then if the game changes, my argument will change or cease to exist if the game changes in a good way\
What is your problem about it?
Why do you try to stop people from discussing suggestions in this channel?
boreal sun
nothing
if you accept that things can and will change, then cool
I just say that there's little reason to use it as a reason to not add solo play, if you understand that it'll be improved in the future
I'm not
I'm trying to show how taking hardline stances based on assumptions and theoreticals is unhealthy
cunning lintel
It's only healthy to assume and theorise on something that hasn't come out yet, so when it does you know what you're standing at
boreal sun
not necessarily
cunning lintel
People are afraid of the worst case scenario, which is solo queue making game bad
boreal sun
you might wrap yourself up in a premade conclusion, and subject yourself to confirmation bias and pointless vitriol towards others
west cloak
It's only healthy to assume and theorise on something that hasn't come out yet, ...
And what if you're wildly wrong because you made a bunch of assumptions?
cunning lintel
Because people enjoy the game already and want to enjoy it
cunning rapids
Barb shits on rogue
as a barb main its really hard to fight wizards,rangers and rogues that are invisible or from ranged. the meta for solo queue is most likely be all thos classes. clerics are also really bad at 1v1. so the cleric will need to be fixed its just a lot of work for solo queue to work rn
cunning rapids
Because people enjoy the game already and want to enjoy it
yeah they do and solo queue is not in the game rn lmao
boreal sun
I'd say most of the reasons people worry about solo queue are things that will be solved via tweaking the game
the only potential problem that can't really be solved with balancing is queue times
cunning rapids
I'd say most of the reasons people worry about solo queue are things that will b...
tweaking the game effects the 3v3 part too
boreal sun
but if the game has a massive following, and a dedicated audience for both solo and team, then it shouldn't be that big an issue
cunning rapids
if we buff cleric so hes good in 1v1s he will be op in 3v3
cunning lintel
That's why i've said that solo queue will never be balanced, when game balance is groups
boreal sun
I mean tweaking solo specifically
if the loot from solo is too good, they can nerf the loot
cunning rapids
I mean tweaking solo specifically
if the loot from solo is too good, they can n...
so we have 2 groups of balancing?
sounds like a lot of work
cunning lintel
And it's pointless to add something to the game that will never be balanced enough and unfun meta will be only choice to play it
cunning rapids
for a small group of people
they even said they didnt have enough time to add a lot to this test
boreal sun
I mean
balancing isn't everything
especially in a game like this
they could also just... not balance for solo, if they don't want it to be the primary mode
it could just be a novelty side mode
where there's no care for balance and very bad loot
cunning rapids
side mode that splits queues
cunning lintel
I'm not talking about perfect balance, i'm talking about anything being fun in regular queue, while in solo queue you're forced with unbalanced class and items...
cunning rapids
it will force solo players to play solos
cunning rapids
true making solo queue wayyyy unbalanced
cunning lintel
Yes, it is and they said they don't want perfect balance, they want fun
And solo queue sounds unfun by default
boreal sun
so if solo turns out to be unfun, and nobody wants to play it, then they remove it and all is fine
cunning rapids
Yes, it is and they said they don't want perfect balance, they want fun
no they said they want balance but peaks of power
cunning lintel
no they said they want balance but peaks of power
That's why i've said perfect balance instead of balance.
Ofc everyone wants a somewhat balanced game.
boreal sun
best case scenario is both solo and team are fun and have a healthy amount of players to fuel the queues
but remember, they plan on adding more dungeons than just these two
cunning rapids
best case scenario is both solo and team are fun and have a healthy amount of pl...
true but it still cute queue times and resources
boreal sun
I'd be more worried about what that will do for queues
having 5 dungeons to pick from
cunning rapids
will the have solo queue, high roller and normal queue ?
if its a perfect split that 33% of the payers
witch it wont tho
boreal sun
chances are people will be playing all of them
cunning lintel
Best case scenario is people enjoying the game and my argument is adding solo queue can really make the game unenjoyable for regular players and that's why people are against it, that's it..
boreal sun
I'm not going to 100% only play in one mode
cunning rapids
I'm not going to 100% only play in one mode
yeah but the queue times will be longer for each one
boreal sun
well, sword
think about it like this
solo dungeon could just introduce an even bigger playerbase and provide a different kind of 'fun' for those players
cunning rapids
true true
boreal sun
if the 'regular players' don't enjoy solo mode
they don't need to queue for it
it won't make the game unenjoyable for them
they'll still be playing the regular mode with the other players who enjoy regular mode
boreal sun
not necessarily
I assume solos can still queue for the normal dungeon
and go for 1v3 if they choose
cunning rapids
i like play 1v3 but this forces players like me to solo
boreal sun
I don't think it's a force
cunning lintel
Oh believe me it would, any little thing would literally make people freak out
boreal sun
I mean if someone freaks out because people unrelated to them are having fun in a different gamemode
they're kinda unreasonable
cunning lintel
There would be as many people complaining about solo queue having X or Y as those who wanted solo queue added
boreal sun
if there's one thing to learn from the internet
people will look for things to complain about and for people to hate
but that's a vocal minority
most people will just play the game, have fun, and not even talk about it in here
cunning lintel
Yes, but as you've said, they don't have to do it here, in this game and around it...
And i bet they would
And i think a large amount of people wanted a solo queue
Not just a minor part
cunning rapids
i agree i think a lot of people want it but its a lot harder to get it right
boreal sun
I moreso mean the players who will be aggressive and complain about things endlessly
boreal sun
regardless of what they complain about
cunning rapids
my main goal is to play wizard in solos perma invis and make people complain so they get rid of solo queue or invis lmaooooo
boreal sun
if a majority of players wanted a solo mode, then it's probably a good idea to add, just to prolong the life of the game's community
cunning lintel
Well if there is endless complaining, then better have them complain about something that is related to regular queue than making a new queue to be complete disconnected from it and complaing about it instead..
cunning rapids
no they want to win
cunning lintel
^this
cunning rapids
if they die to somthing they think is not fair they complain
boreal sun
they want to feel as if they have a fair chance at winning, is more accurate
cunning rapids
or if they die to somthing they dont under stand
boreal sun
like yeah, a lot of players don't accept responsibility for their lack of skill
cunning rapids
no im really confident about this
boreal sun
but it's hard to say a 1v3 is fair in any way
cunning rapids
yes
cunning lintel
It is when you decided to queue alone instead of party
cunning lintel
Game allows you to go alone if you really want, but it's more optimal to go with party
cunning rapids
i understand i cant 1v3 so i play around it and have fun
i wait for the group of 3 to make a mistake
cunning lintel
Wanna go solo against possible 3s? Fair
cunning lintel
And if you go solo, you agreed to it, you can't complain, it was fair
boreal sun
I mean if your perception of every person who wants solo mode is "complainer who is just bad at the game and wants it easier" then, well
I'd say you're probably wrong, and that imagining people to be like that isn't healthy in terms of your attitude towards other players and towards the possible changes
maybe some vocal minority fits that description
cunning rapids
I mean if your perception of every person who wants solo mode is "complainer who...
i think most players think solo queue is a good idea thats why they want it
but in reality its hard to implement
rocky oar
Teaming is part of the game, they want "chaos" in the game and if you get betrayed while teaming then it is what it is. Pretty much what they said. Voip will never go away
cunning lintel
There are solo players who enjoy going solo against groups already and they don't want solo queue
boreal sun
I'd personally want solo mode because I'm a more competitive player who wants fights on even footing to test skill
not because I'm bad, but because I want to see how good I am without outside factors interfering
cunning lintel
Well, there comes to game balance and look at WoW, 1v1 is garbage
boreal sun
depends on the game
cunning rapids
I'd personally want solo mode because I'm a more competitive player who wants fi...
imagine how good you would feel if you 1v3 tho
see
im competitive too that how i know you a liar
boreal sun
I mean yeah winning a 1v3 feels good, but it usually just feels like they were extremely bad at the game and had crap gear
I'd rather 1v1 with someone of similar skill and gear
cunning rapids
no it feels rewarding
boreal sun
also why would I lie lmao
rocky oar
Wow, Trevor on something
boreal sun
if you're not here to discuss then begone
cunning rapids
you trying to say im want solo queue for fair fights im a competitive person
boreal sun
I'm saying that a type of person exists who wants solo queues for fair fights
cunning rapids
when most competitive people would love the 1v3 challenge
opaque oriole
just play in a 3 stack, then its a fair fight
cunning rapids
just play in a 3 stack, then its a fair fight
nah
opaque oriole
i solod as a ranger my first time ever playing this game and it was viable, most people die to AI or or damaged, outplay them
boreal sun
I'm not opposed to it existing
opaque oriole
so they either need to add random group matchmaking if you want partners, or you can optionally queue solo into dungeons
boreal sun
I think it'd be fun to try winning 1v1s with more skilled players
there's no guaranteeing it'll do those things
cunning rapids
I think it'd be fun to try winning 1v1s with more skilled players
there were 1v1 in the normal queue
cunning lintel
I think it'd be fun to try winning 1v1s with more skilled players
Skilled players run mostly in parties tho...
cunning rapids
most of my fights were 1v1
boreal sun
yes
but if there's a solo place
for players like myself
then it'll be easier to find solo skilled players
cunning lintel
And i'll tell you right now, they'll stick to party play
cunning lintel
And even solo one will play v3
opaque oriole
thats also why invisibility is available to everyone in the game, if you dont want to fight a 1v2/1v3 then go invis
cunning lintel
For the exact reason you've mentioned, because 1v1 will feel easy
opaque oriole
i dont see the need for solo only queueing
cunning lintel
Anyway, i gtg
boreal sun
you're assuming everyone who plays solo is a ranger or rogue or wizard
despite us both being solo barbs?
cunning rapids
imagine play barb with smash in solo queue
boreal sun
???
cunning rapids
yes
boreal sun
clearly solo players exist who are not those classes
cunning rapids
bc
boreal sun
if everyone only played the meta, everyone would be rangers and nothing else
cunning rapids
sheath will be clearly be the meta
cunning rapids
wizard is op rn
opaque oriole
last playtest xd
opaque oriole
barbs can walk down 1v3 and wizards are easily the most broken
cunning rapids
states change bc its solo queue
cunning lintel
I'll leave you with, barb is not meta, you'd get clapped in one of 10 beartraps waiting for you 🙂
cunning rapids
yes solo queue will favor steath
opaque oriole
if you are getting caught on bear traps you arent paying attention lol
cunning rapids
like wizards rogues and rangers
cunning rapids
if you are getting caught on bear traps you arent paying attention lol
it solo queue all the torches will be gone
boreal sun
in the game's current state, sure
cunning rapids
it will be pitch black
boreal sun
but that can change
cunning rapids
in solo queue
cunning rapids
solo queue will just be camping simulator
camping simulator is perfect for rangers
barbs, clerics and fighters will get clapped
boreal sun
idk I think I gotta go to bed before I wind up re-explaining how you can't make 100% claims about what something will or won't be when it's not even implemented yet
cunning rapids
you can
opaque oriole
bro gonna have a meltdown over what
cunning rapids
solo queue game are always more campy
boreal sun
I mean you can
it's just not helpful
opaque oriole
it just doesnt make sense balance wise
boreal sun
I'd argue those are the weaker classes even in the current queues
cunning rapids
yes
opaque oriole
clerics will have no use in solo play yes especially after they nerf the drunken fists
boreal sun
so nothing would really change in solo queue
cunning rapids
but i could still 1v3 as barb
opaque oriole
fighters are strong imo, they can use everything
cunning rapids
now it will be even harder
opaque oriole
they are just a tankier ranger with a strong melee swap
reef cosmos
they are just a tankier ranger with a strong melee swap
that hurts
opaque oriole
ay man if you running a sword shield/2 hander combo thats ur own loss
cunning rapids
bc 1v3 they are not invis
reef cosmos
you can only 1v3 as a barb if they are all clueless of your position
cunning rapids
yes
boreal sun
have you ever 1v3'd against rogues
cunning rapids
as solo
boreal sun
lol
opaque oriole
you can hide as everybody
cunning rapids
thats the point
boreal sun
some classes will be good in parties and good in solo
and some will be good in both
and that will always be the case
opaque oriole
yes
cunning rapids
rn groups of 3 are super loud you can easily avoid them or sneak up on them
boreal sun
that doesn't make solo queue bad
opaque oriole
if every class cannot be implemented, its a waste
cunning rapids
in solo queue everything will be dead silent
im possable for me to play smah abrb
smash barb
opaque oriole
if you enjoy playing cleric only, but you want to try solo, you either have to learn somebody new or get continuously shit on bc you are way out of meta
boreal sun
I mean
play this next test in the solo dungeon as smash barb and tell me how it goes
opaque oriole
and that will hold true for other classes as well
cunning rapids
if you enjoy playing cleric only, but you want to try solo, you either have to l...
trueeeeeeeee
not fair
opaque oriole
i didnt like playing the barb, so i didnt
cunning rapids
for cleric mains
opaque oriole
i played the fighter with a bow swap, the ranger, rogue, tried some mage
cunning rapids
i know candelle loves his fairness
opaque oriole
i think the state they have it in now is
boreal sun
I mean like I said
some classes will be good solo and some will be good in parties
the existence of a solo queue means nothing when it comes to that fact
cunning rapids
its not fair to use barb and cleric mains
opaque oriole
yes nobody is arguing that lol, but it doesnt mean anything
cunning rapids
I mean like I said
some classes will be good solo and some will be good in parti...
solo queue should not be in the game
opaque oriole
once they get into making some more content, and we get bard etc
boreal sun
but what about the solo dungeon
cunning rapids
voip mess with it, the balance is all messed up with ot
boreal sun
you keep saying solo queue but what about the thing they're actually adding
cunning rapids
they are adding solo queue
opaque oriole
a tp from inside?
cunning rapids
the confirmed it
opaque oriole
oh then i just think that theyll find it has no place
all of the classes who are going to be mained in solo queue
which will be ranger, mage, and rogue
cunning rapids
you keep saying solo queue but what about the thing they're actually adding
did you not know they were adding it lmao
opaque oriole
nah i dont read notes i just fiend
but those classes will see crazy spikes in popularity
cunning rapids
and thats why you kept saying its pointless to argue about it
opaque oriole
then either get nerfed to the dirt
boreal sun
I'm asking if you think the dungeon is fine
opaque oriole
or make the rest of the classes null
boreal sun
because it's not the same as solo queue
it's a dungeon designed specifically for solos
it's not the same dungeon
it has different loot
etc.
cunning rapids
im not familiar with that so i cant comment
opaque oriole
wdym not the same dungeon i saw the troll thing
boreal sun
well that's the 'solo queue' they're adding
cunning rapids
my understanding they are adding solo queue and the troll could be the boss of it
opaque oriole
ig we will see how it plays out but i think anything thats gonna severely deterioriate the teamplay aspect of the game just takes away from the whole experience
opaque oriole
once certain people are overplayed
cunning rapids
but it's a different dungeon
ohh okay the cave
opaque oriole
theyll need to be nerfed
cunning rapids
i think the cave is fine
opaque oriole
then they dont work the same in group play
cunning rapids
the cave is like the weaker version of the one we have rn right?
boreal sun
not 100% sure, it's not in yet
opaque oriole
all i know is i want little goblins as enemies
cunning rapids
i thought they were talking about adding a weaker room
the room we paly on is floor 2 they said
opaque oriole
well yes
cunning rapids
hell would be 3
opaque oriole
they mentioned that somewhere i saw
ppl are asking and thinking they might have it above ground
cunning rapids
honestly if they make the cave have really weak loot
cunning rapids
and then that forces some players to move into the normal dungeons id be okay with that
opaque oriole
yea you portal from there to dungeon, dungeon to hell
then out
1st floor will probably have crap loot, gonan be a rush to get to 2 at minimum on every run
cunning rapids
nah im talking about solo queue to normal queue
opaque oriole
oh idk about that
cunning rapids
the cave has no down portals
opaque oriole
i meant when they add a first floor
cunning rapids
yeah the cave might be the first floor
it solo queue
then the take some ok gear into normal queue floors 2/3
idk tho
lusty wren
because it's not the same as solo queue
Which is worse than a solo queue IMO
wide sleet
i feel being able to bandage other players and such should be a thing
maybe clercis could get a passive where bandaging other players would be 5 to 10% more heal and faster
cunning lintel
i feel being able to bandage other players and such should be a thing
Rogues need some utility and this could be one of the ways with their high action speed. Teammate baits enemies into the room, but ranger closes the door for him and places a trap, while rogue bandages the hurt teammate, maybe it would work, maybe wouldn't, but atleast it's something.
wide sleet
i feel like rouges needs more stealthy kits
maybe being able to sneak up againts pve enemys
gloomy cradle
What rogues need is to die from all the liquids in their body evaporating due to either intense heat or electrolysis. 
cunning lintel
If you think rogue stealth ambush is painful, you need to see blessed invis barb 
untold badge
Can clerics use books?
cunning lintel
Can clerics use books?
Yes?
cunning lintel
Can clerics use books?
https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Weapons ,try to ask in #q-and-a next time.
wide sleet
i feel like barbarians should be able to use round sheilds
like 1 handed axe and round sheilds
and just all classes in general could block attacks with 1 handed and 2 handed weapon as long as you dont have anything on off hand.
ofcourse sheilds should still have the biggest block size
cunning lintel
Idk about the barb shield, but 1h weapons should definitely not be able to block, would be kinda broken to block 2 handed melee and counterattack before they could do anything...
wide sleet
the block size would be way smaller ofcourse
so like you can still hit the enemy everything else around the actual weapon
i mean it's only logical that you'd use your weapon to both attack and block.
i'd also be nice if we could use torch on our off hand.
but i have a feeling that might be added by looking at the concept images
cunning lintel
Idk how small you would want to make it, but currently longsword block is already small and for now if you don't block it's a skill issue, will be adressed in the future.
Also blocking with any weapon sounds good, but doesn't work well, imagine you finally cought up to a ranger or wizard and they just block your attacks while their teammate kills you while laughing...
wide sleet
i mean to balance it out you would not be able to block with stuff such as Book,dagger and bows, like weapons i'd exepect you should be able to block with would be is Swords,Big battle axes,and mace/maul
i'd say maybe staff to but i don't think i'd make to much sense.
maybe you could block once with the staff and the weapon would break or something
cunning lintel
Range can use rapier and arming sword idk, making a weapon break just like that sounds extreme and weird
Imagine Wizard walking around with inventory full of staves...
wide sleet
i feel like rapiers should only being able to block 1 handed weapons
okay how about this: you can only block with 1 handed weapon against other one handed weapons.
cunning lintel
That's a dead rogue if you ask me..
Game is complicated enough to not allow such a thing i think
wide sleet
you hit extremely fast with rouges
keep in mind the block size should be even smaller then zweihander.
cunning lintel
Yes, but dodging their attacks is already breaking their heart
wide sleet
if a rouge is constatly missing their attacks when their right up close to their target, thats just pure skill issue.
cunning lintel
And if you on top of that block some of other attacks too, you get a rogue that has to run for their life as they can't outtrade anyone like that
Rogue's strength lies in ambush and going all-in then all-out...
If you want to add something that hinders the all-in part, then it's not gonna work well...
wide sleet
im pretty sure your not suppose to trade hits with rouges lol
more of a hit them with bleed and poison dodge out and repeat till target is dead.
cunning lintel
Once you go in, you go all-in until enemy notices you and starts trading, or you just run, unless it's a 1v1 against a slow barb..
You can't just ignore the fact that the guy wouldn't let you stab him to death just like that, so when your fragile hp pool gets low, you either die in all-in, kill weaker opponent or just run for your life...
wide sleet
or you know just swing your weapon anywhere but where the weapon block is.
the block would only cover 5 to 7% of the body
like trust me it wont be as a sheild block or anything
cunning lintel
But just having a chance to block such attack or 2 or even more makes rogue's life miserable..
If you ambush 2 or 3 people, you start stabbing someone, he dodges a couple and blocks a couple hits, you either stacked your poison and decide to commit or just run as you take damage from all enemies...
wide sleet
i don't even think people would risk blocking againts rouges to begin with lol if they are only using 1 handed weapon
would just be more safer to dodge/backpeddle away.
cunning lintel
If you are half or less hp as a cleric and you get a rogue trying to stab you, you would obviously try to survive as long as possible instead of dying to him...
And blocking like 2 stabs could really save your life...
wide sleet
if i was a cleric i'd use a sheild
cunning lintel
If you had a staff in your hand and healed, then sometimes swapping won't be in time
But then you don't want a staff to block
wide sleet
you wouldent be able to block with a staff
unless your going none caster build
since the right button would be cast abbility skill
hence taking up the block button key.
cunning lintel
Idk, i don't like the idea in general, you only see characters in movies or fiction in general, blocking with a 1 handed weapon for spectacular effect, nothing else
It messes up with what we already have in game too much..
wide sleet
blocking with a 1 handed weapon is a very real thing lol
cunning lintel
So would be blocking with a book or literally anything else..
tired osprey
Blocking should be a more available option but the drawbacks and effectiveness should vary between methods.
verbal marsh
Seems like blocking is only good for closing approach vector on preswinging enemy imo
rocky oar
@opaque shore Would it be cool if we could have LFG opened up for those that want to start looking for a dedicated team?
opaque shore
<@750021531676966992> Would it be cool if we could have LFG opened up for those...
Oh, I see, um. That's something I can't really do much about other than bring it up. Hold on.
rocky oar
Ok, all cool.
rocky oar
Poggers
warped topaz
Have the ability to create water arrows to extinguish the torches what do you think ? That's cool no, for hunter ? 🙂 Or it's possible to thief have a bow ? (curve bow exemple) ?
fervent falcon
They could just make regular arrows extinguish torches if they think it'll be a good mechanic for ranged users, although that could lead to accidental dousing. - I kinda want to bring up something controversial (or two things) but I'm not sure 2 days before playtest is the best time. It's something that would probably happen again in the next playtest though.
fair copper
So would be blocking with a book or literally anything else..
One block with a book would make the knife stick too the book, ruining the book!
fair copper
They could just make regular arrows extinguish torches if they think it'll be a ...
Ohh let us know soon!
fervent falcon
It's weird to talk about now, but I was thinking about the whole "fill lobby with friends to get pseudo PvE / 16 player boss killing party" thing. I don't know if the latter actually happened though.
carmine path
Guys what do we think about adding a consumable that increase magical power for a short amount of time.. We have ale that increase Physical power why not one for magic... Add a consumable that increase magical power with some drawback like the ale for a short amount of time
fervent falcon
"Majek Jus" - along the same vein what about a protection potion vs magic damage? maybe multi-colored consumables too? pay the alchemist to brew potions together? legendary bottomless tuborg beer?
steep dagger
New class idea: the Bladesman
Dual wielding swordsman who can parry to set up attack opportunities. Can dual wield any of the 1H swords/rapiers
Successful parries grant increased attack speed and also stagger on perfect parries
Also having a double stab ability that does both weapons damage at once if you land it
And another passive ability that after a successful parry you’re granted increased movement speed in those moments where you want some distance quick
Another passive that on parry grants increased critical hit damage
And an ability to swing both swords at once in a slicing motion also dealing both weapons dmg at once but if it’s blocked it’ll stagger the shit out of you
It opens up the melee combat a bit more adding more options of dispatching with well timed/aimed parries as well as being a high damage output class for melee when using abilities that double your damage for one attack basically
And yeah staggering a rogue with a parry would be difficult cause they are quick stabs but if you get it off and then slice them they’ll be dead in one blow
Let me know, this is just a basic idea for a new class any suggestions or additional ideas for skills/passives would be awesome!
- low health pool
- No range capabilities
- Ability to parry ranged attacks
- A little bit higher base magic resist
- Average interact speed
- Can parry NPCs to stagger/buff/ect
rancid pebble
you can already do most of these things, like parrying ranged attacks
longsword can already do that.
this just sounds like a fighter build with some new perks/skills...
reef cosmos
@rancid pebble hes asking for a fighter Simplified and easier to play lol
asking for the ai to parry for you
as a perk or skill
steep dagger
I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s easier to play. And having the abilities focused around swinging both weapons at the same time is not really like the fighter.
steep dagger
longsword can already do that.
You’d be able to parry with any dual wield swords. Move quicker upon parrying to close gaps with rangers. That is, if you’re timing is good.
rancid pebble
lmao such a troll suggestion
the only thing I would agree with is maybe a few more parrying options
like a shortsword or parrying sword for fighter ranger and rogue
reef cosmos
What do you guys think about custom crosshair? I find it difficult to see the crosshair sometimes in bright places or near a torch
steep dagger
It’s only OP in 1v1 situations maybe 1v2 and it’s only OP if used correctly.
Doesn’t have the ability to wear heavy armour or use shields. Also no head protection. I think it’d be a fun high risk high dmg class
lusty wren
Defensive gear atm is pretty meh already
steep dagger
Still though with 80hp you’re dying super easily unless you’re head is constantly on a swivel
It’s just an idea is all. Brainstorming ,thought it might be a good starting point for a dual wield focused class 🤷🏼♂️
steep dagger
What do you guys think about custom crosshair? I find it difficult to see the cr...
Custom crosshairs would be nice for sure.
reef blaze
want to follow up with this if anyone knows if theres any functionality behind the coloring of people's suggestions in #d-and-d-suggestions
maybe a server manager can help?
all i've found in suggestion bot documentation is this: "Color Change | 15 votes • #FFD700 | Change the color of the suggestion embed when it reaches X net upvotes"
that doesn't really match up with what i've seen in the suggestions channel though so would appreciate some input
onyx shard
how yall feel about a brew that gives crit chance
reef cosmos
how yall feel about a brew that gives crit chance
game doesnt need more dmg, we need more defensive mechanics, more mechanics per se
More items variation
More activities
reef blaze
that doesn't really match up with what i've seen in the suggestions channel thou...
if no one does though, for anyone else curious, i've noticed most indigo posts are either already in the game, or seem like bad ideas/poorly favored ones. all greens seem to have more thumbs up than thumbs down, but the same does not necessarily apply for indigos; some indigos have more more thumbs up than thumbs down as well
reef blaze
how yall feel about a brew that gives crit chance
the less rng-based combat mechanics the better imo
crit chance by nature is rng so would not prefer this for my take
not fun to lose fights to pure chance
i'm sure the devs would have a more informed opinion though so i trust whatever they decide to do until we can try the idea in the game itself
onyx shard
yea i wasnt tied to it at all
was trying to look out for the roles that dont depend on str
but you are right adding rng is not that good
reef blaze
you mean roles that don't depend on str for damage right
str still gives everyone hp
(and physical damage)
onyx shard
oh i did not know that it gave hp
well i suppose the crit change could work for any group but i would want some seriously harsher debuffs for mixing brews
reef blaze
oh i did not know that it gave hp
yeah useful but the scaling is mid from what i understand, info is available on the wiki guide thing that cow guy made or whatever
reef cosmos
crit chance would make MM of the Wiz absurd
as it has way more chance to crit
lets not even think about cric chance
boreal sun
str giving hp is one of the worst things in the game for long-term balancing imo
hp should be its own stat
steep dagger
How about a random quest/objective that spawns on your hud.
Could be a hunt quest I.e. get a player kill in the next minute or kill x amount of mobs or loot x amount of medium chests ect.
Upon completing you are shown one blue and one red portal spawn locations ahead of the reveals for the whole map
These quests would spawn within the first minute of the match and also wouldn’t happen every match. Complete rng for it to pop but when it does shakes up the early game and also end game a little bit
Also, maybe adding a 1v1 duel arena with wagers. Gold only and each person would have to match each other with those wagers. Put your builds to the test and your money where your mouth is
The arena would have to be designed with a 3-5 minute timer, and take small sections of the actual map to use as the area of the duel. This way strategy can come into play
reef cosmos
Also, maybe adding a 1v1 duel arena with wagers. Gold only and each person would...
not anywhere near this year
errant steppe
Is the bot still down?
livid mason
Is the bot still down?
Yes, probably cause nearing playtest
You can still discuss it here and postem later
steep dagger
not anywhere near this year
I’ll be ecstatic if the game gets a full release this year
runic musk
how yall feel about a brew that gives crit chance
Crit chance feels kinda scuffed in fps games with low ttk
In tf2 you feel cheated getting hit by a crit
gentle blade
#1048762118255673428 should work now. The bot had an outage
ocean quartz
was wondering why no one was adding suggestions today
@desert totem some of the fun and goofiness is accidentally healing an enemy skeleton or an invis player you didn't know was there. Self cast button woult only take away funny moments like that
desert totem
<@384529994048602124> some of the fun and goofiness is accidentally healing an e...
i get your point but. that would still be happening right? i mean you can still miss the heals on your friends xD yeah i just thought maybe you wanna actually look at the enemy instead of the ground ^^
ocean quartz
i think its the same reason they wont be changing how shields work, how you have to look in the direction of the attack. The fights feel slow and clunky, and optimizing that may go against what the devs are aiming for
desert totem
i think the same argument can be said with torches being offhand ^^
ocean quartz
yeah for sure, and awhile back i suggested animation canceling options, both of which i merely put in to see if other people have the same thought, i wouldn't care one way or another if they add it
desert totem
yeah in fact the argument that "that may go against what the devs are aiming for" will make every suggestion pointless since this is a discussion threat xD
but still im totally new and cant wait to play it for the first time mega hyped here!
ocean quartz
touché
cunning lintel
Imagine clicking 👍 on your own suggestion, yikes.
rancid void
Imagine clicking 👍 on your own suggestion, yikes.
Do.... do you not want your own suggestion?
cunning lintel
Do.... do you not want your own suggestion?
I'm not licking my balls like a lion or something, let others vote instead of being insecure about it...
rancid void
But suggestions is a vote of how many people want the thing for the devs to see. The base 1 is done by the bot and it also does a downvote so that evens out. As the suggester you are one of the people wanting the feature and thus should be counted
carmine path
I'm not licking my balls like a lion or something, let others vote instead of be...
ima do it every time
lmao
ocean quartz
I wish i could lick my balls like a lion
carmine path
idc i made that suggestion and ima take the extra second to like it
cunning lintel
You like your own suggestion, because you're insecure they'll dislike it and you want to influence all the sheep to vote "yes", because somebody else already pressed "yes"
rancid void
You like your own suggestion, because you're insecure they'll dislike it and you...
Do you think people blindly click on the up or down with out reading the suggestions?
carmine path
You like your own suggestion, because you're insecure they'll dislike it and you...
we live in a society duh
cunning lintel
If you ask your friends if they wanna hang out, you don't go immediately after like "hell yeah!"
Lmao
rancid void
If you ask your friends if they wanna hang out, you don't go immediately after l...
but it would be normal to say: Who would like ____ added to the game as I certainly do.
carmine path
If you ask your friends if they wanna hang out, you don't go immediately after l...
thats different we dont get a follow up with people on here its just a click and go so your rhetoric has no meaning
cunning lintel
but it would be normal to say: Who would like ____ added to the game as I certai...
But that's already implied in you suggesting something, people can clearly see you're suggesting it, wth
cunning lintel
thats different we dont get a follow up with people on here its just a click and...
The follow up is a vote "thumbs up" "thinking" "thumbs down", it's the exact same thing, you're just not seeing it
You either like the idea, dislike it or wanna talk about it lol
carmine path
The follow up is a vote "thumbs up" "thinking" "thumbs down", it's the exact sam...
no thats the intial impression lol wdym
cunning lintel
no thats the intial impression lol wdym
I guess you don't have any friends to go out with
carmine path
why make this so political
rancid void
what if I suggest an idea because I think its interesting to think of but dont necessarily want it added, would I be wrong to click the thinking emote?
carmine path
I guess you don't have any friends to go out with
no my friends go out with me there's a difference im just not simple minded
cunning lintel
why make this so political
What's so political about it? It's just cringe, that's all
ocean quartz
imagine still arguing about a virtual button on a suggestion that will have no impact on a game that isn't even out yet 🤔
carmine path
im done bruh 
cunning lintel
imagine still arguing about a virtual button on a suggestion that will have no i...
Imagine thinking being cringe is not embarassing
carmine path
imagine still arguing about a virtual button on a suggestion that will have no i...
to be fair it does have the potential to thats the point of alpha testing and this suggestion feed
rancid void
I guess you don't have any friends to go out with
its cringe to attack people personally for not agreeing with your take on clicking on emojis
cunning lintel
its cringe to attack people personally for not agreeing with your take on clicki...
Who is attacked? Are you attacking yourself right now, by baiting others into thinking they're attacking you?
rancid void
what? That sentience makes no sense to me
carmine path
bruh my message got redacted 
cunning lintel
what? That sentience makes no sense to me
Just because you don't understand something, it doesn't mean it makes no sense
rancid void
Just because you don't understand something, it doesn't mean it makes no sense
thus my qualifier "makes no sense TO ME"
cunning lintel
thus my qualifier "makes no sense TO ME"
So say you don't understand instead of victimizing yourself
rancid void
So say you don't understand instead of victimizing yourself
Ok I am done you are just using buzz words now
cunning lintel
Ok I am done you are just using buzz words now
You're still doing it, gl
slate tartan
You guys NEED a hobby
cunning lintel
You guys NEED a hobby
Sez u 
cunning lintel
You guys NEED a hobby
You think longbow is getting nerfed?
slate tartan
Sez u <:Cheers:1065445392898064465>
Yeah mate, I haven't been crying over a thumbs up emoji for the last 30 minutes 😂
cunning lintel
Yeah mate, I haven't been crying over a thumbs up emoji for the last 30 minutes ...
Saying that something is cringe = crying, ok
slate tartan
Saying that something is cringe = crying, ok
Literally everyone does it and you pick out one guy, maybe you need a nap
cunning lintel
Literally everyone does it and you pick out one guy, maybe you need a nap
Who is everyone, 1 guy? Haven't seen anyone doing it and never done it myself either..
rugged gazelle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEEUmfW0qFQ
Look they're roleplaying a YouTube comment tread!
slate tartan
Who is everyone, 1 guy? Haven't seen anyone doing it and never done it myself ei...
You can't be serious lol
Literally the most recent suggestion the guy voted on it, I didn't have to scroll past one... Check mate, move on
cunning lintel
Ye, that's 1 guy, they're a hivemind that counts as one 
slate tartan
The last 3 suggestions all voted for themselves @cunning lintel unlucky
cunning lintel
Do you think longbow will get nerfed?
lusty wren
"Literally everyone " bad semantics is all 😄
livid mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEEUmfW0qFQ
Look they're roleplaying a YouTube ...
Thanks for the suggestion to watch, dave kinda cringe
runic musk
Saying that something is cringe = crying, ok
Cringe take
cunning lintel
Cringe take
I agree, that's exactly what they say
opaque slate
#d-and-d-suggestions message i thought we liked the funky looking away to cast
cunning lintel
https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486/107156174509...
I thought we liked getting buffs from enemies by accident
opaque slate
that too
blocking los from a cleric and their team is necessary as a solo player
stabbed a man 20 times and he did not die 
desert totem
why create drama outta nothing? xD
opaque shore
opaque slate
why create drama outta nothing? xD
who
plain knot
arena mode sounds fire
nova sedge
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eager sableBOT
Suggestion from Yorkazord#3935
nova sedge
so if there's 20 players, technically if everyone kept going... the winner could walk out with 2000g
but there'll be sweats!
plain knot
- if there were leaderboards for it they could be for championships, gold won overall. Matches with over 1000 gold... potential here with this concept
cunning lintel
Tournaments have been suggested as far as i remember, but maybe not 1v1? Maybe you could balance it with preset gear or something you would participate with, but otherwise it doesn't sound good...
nova sedge
as jerky said.... an arena leaderboard would be HYPE
cunning lintel
as jerky said.... an arena leaderboard would be HYPE
Leaderboards always sound hype, i like the idea too, but i'm always worried about implementation..
nova sedge
Leaderboards always sound hype, i like the idea too, but i'm always worried abou...
that's why there's beta tests 🙂
plain knot
^
runic musk
If it is introduced i would like to see it implementes a bit like dotas weekly ingame tournament. Once a week at [set time] you have 15-30 min to ready up and once you/your team is ready the game starts
limber dock
that's why there's beta tests 🙂
- these are alpha tests
- they are trying to implement their planned stuff into the game rn
- they'll get to balancing and things in the early-access-times
runic musk
Then tournament tree you ffight next team etc etc
cunning lintel
Maybe a tournament for each class separately, so there is always best X in X class and best Y in Y class and at the end you get points that count for leaderboard based on how far you went?
runic musk
Maybe a tournament for each class separately, so there is always best X in X cla...
They could do tournament variations
That cycles weekly monthly whatever
cunning lintel
Yes, but i'm thinking on how to make it easier to balance and make it fair..
nova sedge
should be class mode and maybe an open class mode
plain knot
or each week a new class is chosen at random
runic musk
Or you are wrong and we are right
nova sedge
why would you want to limit something in a game that wipes itself
maybe if they did a "top 10 (class) of the week get a special tourny" i could see it
but my original idea was for it to be like gladiators waging
cunning lintel
"If you die in arena, your character gets deleted" lmao
quick blade
Like hardcore mode from Diablo games
cunning lintel
Gladiator arena, but you gamble by placing bets up to certain amount of gold on people participating.
Would be a weekly thing, so people can't really farm it and also make it in a way you can't fix matches.
Like participants could get a tiny percentage for winning maybe? So people would not throw on purpose..
nova sedge
or just not let people bet on the fights (unless it's a tournament held by IRONMACE)... then you dont have to worry about rigging
there's a lot easier ways to cheese gold (using trade system) than waste your time in a queue
cunning lintel
Ye, i meant just in case, like when some bigger amounts are involved.
rancid void
.shortinfo 1582423
eager sableBOT
Suggestion from ninjabladeJr#9701
runic musk
.shortinfo 1582423
Creep should counteract this and have a chance not to activate traps
rancid void
it's literally the only use for the tracking perk
Na you still counter pots and people who use hide with out stealth or try to hide last second or try to not be seen in corners / the dark
rancid void
Creep should counteract this and have a chance not to activate traps
Not a bad idea
runic musk
Creep felt a bit useless it was kinda nice getting past teams since they communicate in voice usually you can just get away but you can just run away as rogue
wraith quarry
What about adding kill trophies. Like Ears from Diablo 2?
rancid void
What about adding kill trophies. Like Ears from Diablo 2?
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eager sableBOT
Suggestion from ninjabladeJr#9701
wraith quarry
ah, ok I didn't understand how this function worked, thanks
The Ear would be a nice homage to D2
rancid void
ah, ok I didn't understand how this function worked, thanks
oh basically I was just saying I like your idea and showing a version I suggested in the past. I went with chipping their soul cause souls are already an object in the game and everytime a new player kills a barbarian they try to loot it then get confused so I figured it would help alleviate that.
nova sedge
Did y’all see the “add proximity chat” suggestion that was made a couple hours ago?
Let’s burn it at the stakes!
.shortinfo 1578705
eager sableBOT
Suggestion from Yorkazord#3935
abstract steppe
Have a PT-PT role so we know who to match with since if we match with PT-BR we tend to have lag... since its europe and america...
cunning lintel
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cunning lintel
I assume after their team is wiped..
neat dragon
sorry, what do you mean?
cunning lintel
I mean you don't want your teammate to die and get taken hostage, so you wouldn't be able to revive them...
neat dragon
I don't know, if they have the time to kill your team mate, start looting them, take off their chest armor and yoink the heart, maybe they earned it lol
you could always kill them and take it back
cunning lintel
Yes, but if you have to retreat to save yourself from getting sandwiched, you won't be able to tell when, who and where it's taken...
And as much as people would "earn it" by combat looting it, you can't combat loot it yourself or you lose
neat dragon
in that case they'd have time to loot your friend anyways, so you'd be reviving him without any of his good gear
a lot of hypotheticals here, I think it would be fine, if not they could just do like you said and make hearts only lootable after a team wipe
cunning lintel
I mean, not always, sometimes they don't have time to loot, but they have time to yoink the soul..
neat dragon
but then you give people information that they still have a living team mate, so even that isn't perfect
upbeat pewter
yeah, i dont really think enemies taking a soul heart really matters much.
if you've lost enough that they can loot the body, its likely you arnt getting there and surviving, unless you dedicate the rest of your run to it, and thats not really optimal, may as well leave and restart
fervent falcon
you could always kill them and take it back
This makes it impossible to resurrect with the cleric spell, as you can't put a soul heart back. That spell already costs most of the cleric's spell capacity on its own.
neat dragon
I'm sure they could make rez work if you have the soul in your inventory
fervent falcon
I'm sure they could make rez work if you have the soul in your inventory
That'd be nice for when teams don't pay attention and someone takes the heart out anyway, lol.
upbeat pewter
yeah, im not sure you have to assume that it wont work
its pretty niche that someone will attempt to steal just the heart. if they've killed someone, they can almost always stop the res
fervent falcon
I feel like people will start stealing hearts just to screw other parties over lol. Imagine its a rogue stealth killed one of your party, what are you going to do, chase him down?
upbeat pewter
the thing is, how are they stealing it? are you just blind? or are you losing it(the fight) anyways?
and why would they risk stealing a heart over all the gear, only to run away?
fervent falcon
It doesn't take long to grab one item, and because they can? - It's one less person they will have to fight later on. If you could remove players from the game by taking one item, that's an incentive for some people. You're not always with your party, sometimes you get trapped between two parties or something else is taking up attention. That's usually the best time for other parties and rogues to strike.
upbeat pewter
yeah, but i mean, if a rogue has access to one of your dead party members, you've lost, or you have priorities other than resing them, that for some reason involved chasing someone quite far away.
rocky oar
Lol, people 100% will steal and run away to mess with people
upbeat pewter
if you havent chased, im going to assume you just lost the fight
neat dragon
I just don't see it as an issue, it wouldnt be that hard to fix if it was though i'm sure. Make it so the heart can't be taken unless they're dead for 15 seconds already or something
upbeat pewter
yeah, i dont see it as an issue at all their
fervent falcon
if you havent chased, im going to assume you just lost the fight
How are you planning on chasing a rogue? At least one who knows what he's doing.
upbeat pewter
why are you chasing a rogue that just stole the heart?
neat dragon
and it wouldn't really be done for griefing, the heart would be a valuable, just like any other piece of loot
would make killing people who come in naked a little more rewarding too
upbeat pewter
if the heart is more valuable than the gear, thats a balancing issue
upbeat pewter
i mean more valuable than like.. greens or whatever, not base gear.
rocky oar
Yes
upbeat pewter
if your team is all greys, just /suicide and restart xD
rocky oar
Not everyone is a tryhard
neat dragon
what if the "necromancer" npc sold an item like the pickaxe, where you have to harvest a dead players heart, perma killing them, but takes a lot longer
fervent falcon
Altars and res have a chance of being improved in the future. There's not a reason to mess with the heart I think, if they wanted players to drop unique loot players could drop ears or teeth or something.
neat dragon
so you can't just run in and "snag" it to troll
upbeat pewter
if you're really intent on resing your ally, dont leave their corpse
or loot the heart asap, before a rogue comes across it
rocky oar
I've def had rez moments that made such a freaking diff
But it is so hard to wanna run rez over literally all other spells lol
fervent falcon
Looting my ally to take his heart isn't the first thing I'd think of doing if an enemy player was nearby. The initiative goes to the slayer.
upbeat pewter
sure, but again, you dont need to chase them away or anything. you can protect the body
rocky oar
I feel like Rez is good if you are not 100% destroying most of your fights
rocky oar
Nah like what I mean
fervent falcon
There's a good chance if he killed an ally, he's considerably closer to the ally than the rest of the team. The example of protecting his corpse assumes that the team is always bunched up 100% of the time, which doesn't happen most games.
rocky oar
If your team is really good and you're tearing apart lobbies non-stop, then why run rez you know. What for the 1 in 10 lobbies you might use it?
upbeat pewter
this comes back to.. whats wrong with you losing the fight, and not being able to res said ally