suggestion-discussion

[mossy ruin]

I played barbarian to 20 solo, then kept playing him for 2 more days and i just didnt think about it, I just sold the loot I didnt use. You just might have to 'let go' of missing out on using the gear on other characters.

[brittle hemlock]

Ah true, forgot about player inventory.

[mossy ruin]

The gear is all temporary(volatile) youll find something similar again and die with it.

[lusty wren]

I never viewed it as a problem that needs fixing. We just need friends list capabilities and a way to "form a group" in raid

[white cliff]

Oh, you’re talking about a global share between characters?

Yeah that creates problems because then you’re storage is limited even more.

[mossy ruin]

Or sextupled

[white cliff]

Now I’m picking items up for every class and a gear set already takes up a good amount of space.

[brittle hemlock]

Shared stash makes much more sense imo but they are right that it leads to stash abuse

[white cliff]

It doesn’t really make much sense but sure I see the appeal.

[brittle hemlock]

I just think the drop items to friend switch, characters routine is too much hassle but the majority thinks its fine I guess.

[white cliff]

So there’s two ways I could trade between my characters, I could go into a raid, drop for a friend, and then have them drop for me next game, super risky.

Or trade with that friend and have to commit to a gold sink twice.

[white cliff]

I mean I vendor any gear I pick up for just give it to a friend.

[lusty wren]

^ this is why I do not see a problem with a merchant that charges you to put gear on your alt

Just cuts out the middle man

[white cliff]

Yeah but then I could just have infinite storage.

[lusty wren]

You can now

with friends

[white cliff]

Sure I can do that now but it requires a large gold and time sink.

[sacred hill]

I feel they gonna make new character creations be paid, and people will use alts only for inventory

[lusty wren]

The gold sink would still be there on the merchant

Just alleviates the time commitment

[white cliff]

I don’t think it should be done at all.

The limited storage is intended.

[brittle hemlock]

Is there any reason you might want 2 barb characters ? I dont know much about the development of the game so maybe perk buulds etc. ?

[white cliff]

You can swap perks at any time.

[brittle hemlock]

Cause limit 1 per class kinda solves stash abuse ?

[lucid root]

if the skill tree is permanent maybe

[white cliff]

Does it?

[vestal thorn]

Would anyone accept a workaround from another direction?

instead of Stash Sharing
-you level stash exchange or get a "exchange coupon" from missions
-you level an NPC via reputation/loyalty mechanic
-cross char crafting (account level)

Honestly see these things just being a better "compromise" and more fun in long run vs stash sharing rules or limits imo.

[white cliff]

I can still store gear on each character for one class, giving my infinite gear basically.

[lucid root]

upgradeable stash from merchant quests?

[white cliff]

I need logistics not just ideas, how do these things work.

[serene snow]

that was part of one of my suggestions. make sure to upvote it
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[white cliff]

Again, the stash limit is great.

Shouldn’t be touched at all.

[lusty wren]

The last part of this kills it for me tbh

[brittle hemlock]

Sorry if i missed a similar suggestion. Just joined the server and am on mobile so havent checked all suggestions. Also didnt know suggestions were public lol

[white cliff]

170 down votes

Holy crap.

[lusty wren]

Probably most of those just due to the 15 minute lockout

[white cliff]

That’s not at all what we’re talking about imo.

[serene snow]

the 15 minute lockout is key

[white cliff]

We’re talking about storage.

[brittle hemlock]

Forcing players to do something is never good imo

[white cliff]

Not being forced to use a class.

[serene snow]

it'll be as popular as removing 3 man portals

[white cliff]

One is done for the sake of balance.

[lusty wren]

I loved the removal of 3 man portals

[white cliff]

Yours is done for….

[serene snow]

me too

[white cliff]

What reason?

[lusty wren]

Only thing that needs 3 man portals is red portals and final portals in hell

[brittle hemlock]

Enticing players to do something might be good but forcing is a no no for me.

[white cliff]

To make people play more classes they don’t want to play?

[vestal thorn]

Personally idc about stash sharing, just posting ideas that exist in countless forms in other games where creating multiple characters is a given/encouraged. So I'm not going to do that much work 🤣

I'm happy either way they go with stash.

[white cliff]

I don’t get the reasoning.

[serene snow]

it makes dying more painful and killing more rewarding

i never die so it doen't affect me

[brittle hemlock]

That's good to know

[white cliff]

Lol, anyways.

[lucid root]

dying? whats that

[white cliff]

I’ve definitely had days where I haven’t died, can’t say anybody’s immune to it. Though increase stashed size increases the strength of good players because they can hoard gear.

[lusty wren]

I agree if people want mules they should have to pay for an acct and at least support the devs 😄

[white cliff]

I’m no longer limited to three or four gear sets I now have twenty.

[lucid root]

capitalism wins every time

[white cliff]

Yuck, no. How about we design a game where that isn’t required instead of being predatory and making people pay for a mechanic we already frowned upon with limited stash size….

[lusty wren]

I mean you cant get away from it

With trading in the game people will have mules

[serene snow]

alt accounts should be banned and the main account should get a week ban or something

[lucid root]

i'll at least be courteous and name my mules random numbers and letters so i don't hog up names

[lusty wren]

And how do you enforce this?

[white cliff]

We simply pay him to do it.

[serene snow]

with force

[lusty wren]

How do you identify a 'ALT"?

[serene snow]

with an iron fist

[white cliff]

Is it an AI, is it a team of paid people….

[lusty wren]

Not even that

If my son plays the game on his own account on my PC. that is not an alt

How do you differentiate?

[white cliff]

I mean identify it is easy? All the characters are tied to one thing.

[lusty wren]

Talking about alt accounts

[lucid root]

everyone in the house about to get banned

[white cliff]

Seems like a ton of effort but it’s possible I suppose.

[serene snow]

steam doesn't allow alt accounts either

[lusty wren]

I have 5 steam accounts

[white cliff]

?

[lusty wren]

My son has 2

[white cliff]

Steam absolutely let’s you make more than one account this isn’t China.

[lucid root]

i'm at least buying two accounts, if they for some reason change their policy about...trading between accounts owned by the same person? i'll just give the account to someone else

[white cliff]

My SSN isn’t tied to my gaming account.

[brittle hemlock]

Steam literally puts games from your alts in your library what do you mean ?

[opaque shore]

My sister and I have a 500+ games total combined. Family sharing has been a thing for a long time now.

[serene snow]

my buddy said he had one of his accounts closed because he wasn't allowed to have alts. and then he got like $1000 in his steam wallet

[lusty wren]

He lied to you

😄

[white cliff]

Lie detector test said

[lucid root]

when they get banned for something much worse "uhhh...yeah alts or something"

[brittle hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lies-liar-bullshit-so-that-was-gif-15334130

[opaque shore]

There were probably difference nuances to his ban than alt accounts

Either way, keep this chat on #suggestion-discussion's, can always talk about that topic in #the-tavern instead!

[lusty wren]

What do you think about utilizing alt accounts as mule accounts?

[agile condor]

How does create-a-ticket work? lol

[opaque shore]

Send a message in DMs to @hallow granite

[lucid root]

i have a feeling its one of those things where if you push too much about it, the devs put out a blanket statement of "don't do it" but they won't enforce it

[lusty wren]

Ya, most likely.

I really have no need for more storage because I like using what I get. And I do not mind selling overstock

But I would like to find a reason to have an alt to support the devs

[lucid root]

i just want one extra account and completely fill everything with gold so i can call it my bank account

[lusty wren]

I like the thought of karma

Than I can have a evil char and a good char

This sounds fun to me

I may just make a "SOLO" account also

[lucid root]

hmm...for what purpose?

if they put in solo categories on the leaderboard?

[lusty wren]

Mainly an excuse to support the devs and keep characters centrally located

I do not really have interest in pushing leaderboards

[vestal thorn]

Did they confirm leaderboards being a thing after playtests? All I remember Devs said was it was a fun thing to do for PT's. Seems good to keep them even after release imo.

[lusty wren]

My time allotment does not work for that

[white cliff]

We have no more information than you do friend.

😅

[vestal thorn]

Yes which is why I was asking...some of you are unbelievably obtuse and expect perfect information in a public lobby for suggestions where the entire point is for discussion.

[wary edge]

mrbeanz gives the best suggestions.... he should join the dev team already

[lucid root]

pretty sure he already is

lead developer

[sacred hill]

@frosty creek you are a clever one

[lucid root]

we all aspire to be like him

[mossy ruin]

If you mean family share, thats one thing, when you sync. Steam will read from its file directory ON a computer when you log into another account on the same computer and show games you do not own that you would have to request access to play from the other steam account that had installed it on said computer. Its not that they 'show games from alt accounts,' they just show the library of installed games, whether an account has access or not.

[late prism]

man has the most downvotes in the discord haha feel bad for the guy

[mossy ruin]

Unless since family share steam has advanced further to an 'alt-ish system' but either way, I am being semantical, but yeah steam pretty much dont give a F.

[white cliff]

Yeah that was a typo, I’m saying we have no more information than you already know lol.

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
you offering?

[vestal thorn]

Ah gotcha I'm sorry I took it the wrong way then. ❤️

[white cliff]

Yeah both of the words said more, it was meant to say no more.

[late prism]

not after you thumbsdown

[mossy ruin]

I dont think the present leaderboards are healthy nor worth keeping long-term. This game should feel like a marathon rather than a sprint, preferably neither since its an instanced loot extraction game. Leaderboards during a long-term thing, especially ones that are non-demonstrative of skill, but rather high playtime, are unhealthy for players and cause a lot of burn out. If the leaderboards are changed to be ratios like kills per raid or consecutive survives, it would be better at least.

[vestal thorn]

I thought it was something for the really sweaty players to do and felt it would be "okay" if they plan on doing seasonal wipes.

They could also like you said simply add a ton of leaderboard challenges and not just the ones we see now to balance game play to not just be facerolling noobs.

[mossy ruin]

Definitely a fun thing for the playtests though

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[mossy ruin]

already upvoted

[lucid root]

shanks

[mossy ruin]

Present leaderboards are literally just the people who had more time and played the whole week.

[wintry forge]

Kill streak?

[mossy ruin]

Yeah, that would be a good leaderboard option, most kills in one life. But Kills/deaths is more reasonable for a 'per wipe' system. Both could be cool

[lucid root]

difference between a tavern master and warden?

[vestal thorn]

I think if they have the time and resources to do so, a really nice leader board tracker via the dark and darker website would be a great way to add a lot of these more sweaty features.

Akin to a Steam profile page for your account in dark and darker.

Then you'd be able to link achievement's to custom flair, medals, track a bunch of even non-combat things like whomever crafts the most, dies to most Oil Lanterns, etc. Seeing the website track your own progress, successful extraction %, accuracy and a bunch of things would be very interesting to me but I think that much might be asking too much lol.

[smoky yoke]

you can check in #📜rules the meaning of the roles

[lucid root]

Cheers

[sacred hill]

@wintry forge is evolving

[wintry forge]

@carmine path What does this perk do?
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[carmine path]

@Ranclast#5317 limits healing applied or stops players from healing for a short period of time

[opaque shore]

Tavern Master = Chad
Warden = Peasant

[smoky yoke]

[plain knot]

That “curse” suggestion would be sick if every match there were like 10 different curses it could select

Like maybe a too many traps one/darkness/nothing. Idk just pretty cool concept

Make it a rare event sort of thing

[open ermine]

agreed i was muling up a similar idea cause i'd like to see more exploration outside the ring instead of the hp drain and instead have a monster hunt players in the dark sort've thing for the outer side

[plain knot]

Maybe change the ring per floor your on. So it changes in hell or not. Idk

[tacit remnant]

Does anybody else think the gas clouds stick around for too long?

[open ermine]

they could be a bit excessive at times yeah

[tacit remnant]

I just think with maybe like two or three swings of a torch should make one dissipate

[plain knot]

I agree but make the torch break. Gives incentive of bringing multiple

[tacit remnant]

Yes or be put 'out' after a couple 'hits' on the cloud.

[plain knot]

Yeah. So you can still use it on a pressure plate

I think it would be cool if you could also light wall torches with your torch and have it be faster. It would be a cool detail

[lucid root]

Throw torch into the gas cloud to ignite the gas so it all burns up

Pick up torch and off you go

[wintry forge]

I think the clouds should dissipate on their own over time, and their strength also decreases over time. I also think they should stay relatively in the same spot instead of moving around like an enemy.

[pliant halo]

Already, no and no

[tacit remnant]

The moving wouldnt bother me if they didnt last so long. Gaseous clouds move with airflow, its just ridiculous how long they stick around.

[pliant halo]

It is well known fact that air is storming underground

[tacit remnant]

I mean there's still airflow in any room. just cause you can't feel doesn't mean its not there.

[wintry forge]

Where's the airflow coming from? There's no ventilation from the outside.

[pliant halo]

Zombie farts

[lusty wren]

I dont understand how so many people struggle with these gas clouds 😄

[tacit remnant]

Man you guys don;t really know how air works do you.

[lusty wren]

I was thinking this

If you are displacing air this is airflow

[tacit remnant]

They're not super bad, just mildly infuriating ;]

[wintry forge]

It seems like the gas clods have a mind of their own, instead of moving with airflow.

[lusty wren]

I just walk around them in 95% of situations very rarely do I put myself in a bad spot that I cannot avoid them. And if you do I feel that was your fault and you deserve to be punished

[tacit remnant]

Yes that is also a weird part about them. they seem to be sentient

[wintry forge]

That was my point.

[tacit remnant]

How would I have known this? All you said is theres no airflow...

[wintry forge]

No, read my original comment. I said they currently move around like an enemy. Enemies are sentient.

[tacit remnant]

whoops. Completely missed that. My bad!

[lusty wren]

Than bait them against the wall and walk around it 😄

[tacit remnant]

We get it dude. It doesn't change my opinion that they last too long and I think they should be able to be dispersed some way.

[lusty wren]

Just curious how long do you think they last?

last guy who said this claimed they last 5 minutes 😄

[tacit remnant]

Probably about 30 seconds to a minute.

[lusty wren]

Ok at least you are rational. I just feel there is already enough counter play to them

[pliant halo]

Just run through them like, what's the problem?

[lusty wren]

Not very viable in say hell HR

But there is counter play to it still

[ionic mango]

From 1st to 2nd playtest didnt they stop following players and just go randomly?

[tacit remnant]

I did notice sometimes they didnt follow and sometimes they did.

[lusty wren]

Ya, pretty sure. I was mainly referring to the implication they act like "enemies"

[tacit remnant]

maybe just a coincidence

[ionic mango]

they heavy followed 1st playtest, 2nd one cant remember one following me beyond randomly going in my direction

thats good, the heavy following was overwhelming at times

do prefer it like that

[tacit remnant]

For sure.

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
i'm on the fence about this, on one hand i like memorizing maps, on the other i like randomness 🤔

[tacit remnant]

Me too.

Also Im pretty sure they said they wanna add a dragon but it would be way later.

[lucid root]

watch its just a tiny pet dragon

[tacit remnant]

Otto gets a friend!

[lucid root]

randomized chest locations and chest types...i think would add just enough variation without making matches feel like rng

[tacit remnant]

I feel like I agree. At least the mimics are random tho.

[lucid root]

wouldn't be like a pubg game where you can drop in and just get nothing all game

[lusty wren]

Not all of them

There are quite a few static mim ics

[lucid root]

does attacking a chest wake mimics up?

[lusty wren]

yes

[lucid root]

huh, i never even tried

[lusty wren]

well it does if ur a barb with the perk

not sure otherwise

Only time ive hit one

[tacit remnant]

No it doesnt, unless you have barb perk.

[open ermine]

i don't think it does, i remember hitting a chest with wizard staff once and it mimic'd out when i went to open it

[tacit remnant]

At least they didnt work for me.

[agile condor]

cool idea @tacit remnant

[tacit remnant]

Thanks!

[agile condor]

I think map layout stays the same but I'm not opposed to randomizing where good chests etc are

[lucid root]

it would throw a wrench into optimized routes for each map, but eh

who needs a perfect run every game

[opaque slate]

was smashing chests with barb and was like why is this chest not breaking and after a few more tries it woke up

[agile condor]

I liked the 1 room that was hidden behind chests that you needed to be a mimic, or needed to smash

[lucid root]

yeah some chests like that should be static

[opaque shore]

Mimics make me so jumpy. One of the highlights of this game are them

[lucid root]

deployable spider urn

[agile condor]

lmao

[wintry forge]

Do zombie gas clouds get more transparent over time?

[lucid root]

not that i noticed

[agile condor]

Maybe briefly when they disappear, but not gradually or anything that I noticed.

[white cliff]

@fair badge Part of their design philosophy is making the maps memorizable and so that things like revive alters, shrines, and chests are a skill based in some way.

Though it seems quite a few people have agreed with you.

I don’t really see a problem with static designs.

[lusty wren]

If the maps were procedural it makes sense. But with static maps I think game knowledge should matter

[white cliff]

Yeah the whole point is it’s not procedural and never will be.

[lusty wren]

They actually wanted it to be at first

Was the OG plan

[opaque shore]

This, this is evil, I love it.

[white cliff]

I think the quote was we realized we were bad at it.

[lusty wren]

Correct

[opaque shore]

Imagine placing 3+ spider urns inside that one hellish maze

[lusty wren]

R&D time and costs makes it not viable

Though I am happy it went that way because i like map knowledge mattering

[white cliff]

It really wouldn’t be too hard to make procedurally generated modules though.

[lucid root]

yes...go forth my spider army

ignite and haste all the spiders

[winged venture]

i hate the maze. i learned how to get through it without my map and i still avoid it if i can

[lusty wren]

I hated the maze at first, until I saw how many chaotic situations it created

now I love it

[tacit remnant]

I love leading people into the maze.

But yes I hated it at first

[winged venture]

i only go in when i play solo makes fighting teams easy

[tacit remnant]

Yupp. So many times an enemy team will follow me in and I just hear the traps go off and their all dead.

[wintry forge]

I think I read that they don't want to do procedural because they don't have experience doing that.

[opaque shore]

If there were spiders in the maze I would just log off

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
yes for in game chat, only for teams though

no public chat

[nocturne sleet]

Yeah only for teams of course just saying because I know someone that is unable to speak but loves this game so its really hard for communication

[lucid root]

i would team up more too, i don't like talking

[nocturne sleet]

which is fine as long as there was a way to communicate without talking I don't see why not its a very common aspect in most games

[lucid root]

oh right, team comms too

i need to buy a decent mic

#d-and-d-suggestions message
sadness inducing maze?

[lusty wren]

If there was a "easier way to cross through the middle of the maze." it wouldnt be a maze anymore now would it?

[opaque slate]

just go around it ngl

[lusty wren]

Ya if one wants to avoid the maze its not that hard

[spice pawn]

Add ultra large titan snail boss, please (shell and all that). I want it to have the ability to tilt its head back slowly and scream really loudly, and have its mouth area jiggle constantly just like Zoidberg from Futurama whenever that character speaks

[native cedar]

@lusty wren I always just avoided it but it kind of sucks that there is a part of the map that I just never go to. I'd take zone damage over going through the maze. I think maybe adding at least one more option to get through it wouldn't be bad.

[lusty wren]

Start going to it? 😄 its really not that bad

[native cedar]

Risk isn't worth it when I can just zip around it. It's not a great spot to fight. I like options.

[lusty wren]

I guess I feel you cant really complain about a part of the map that you do not go when its purely choice

[lucid root]

jiggle physics?

[lusty wren]

I love the chaotic situations the maze causes. Its alot of fun imo

[native cedar]

I don't really care if it stays the same. I'll just continue to go around it. I'd just be curious to see the analytics of the amount of players that avoid it. If the map module isn't being used than it's probably a sign that it needs a change. I'm speaking from my experience. Maybe most player's use it more.

[lusty wren]

Ya from my experience loads of fighting happens in the maze

But ya having data is always better than anecdotal

I just dont want to see a "easy route through the middle of the maze" it may as well not exist at that point

If they did have the data on it and it was one or the other IMO just remove it at that point

[woeful lava]

hey guys! I think Jimmy, AKA MrBeast would be a great addition to Dark and Darker! Here is a list of 10 reasons supporting his addition:

Jimmy, also known as MrBeast, is a well-known philanthropist and has a strong sense of morality, making him a valuable member of any adventuring party.

He is a skilled problem-solver and has demonstrated this through his various challenges and stunts on YouTube.

He is creative and resourceful, which would be useful in a variety of situations an adventuring party may encounter.

He is a charismatic leader and has the ability to rally and inspire others, making him a natural leader in an adventuring party.

He is physically fit and active, which would be beneficial in any physically demanding situations.

He is a quick thinker and able to adapt to changing circumstances, which would be valuable in a dangerous and unpredictable environment.

He has a wealth of knowledge about a variety of topics and is a quick learner, which would be useful in a variety of scenarios.

He is a skilled negotiator and has experience with convincing others to see things his way, which could come in handy in diplomatic situations.

He is well-traveled, which would be an asset in an adventuring party traveling to new and unfamiliar locations.

He has a sense of humor and is able to keep his cool under pressure, which would be important in a high-stress situation.

[lucid root]

is this a copypasta, or...

[soft relic]

Wall of text critically hits suggestion discussion.

Initiate suggestion discussion thumbs down counter attack.

[lucid root]

receives several broken bones

[opaque shore]

I would suggest you to not send pointless wall of texts / shitposts in here. 😄

[woeful lava]

Hi nessi, I appreciate your suggestion! Here are a couple reasons why I think freedom of expression is important in this discord channel:

Freedom of speech allows for open and honest discussion about game suggestions and feedback, which can lead to better game development and improvement.

It encourages community members to share their unique perspectives and ideas, which can lead to a more diverse and inclusive gaming experience.

It allows for constructive criticism and the ability to express concerns about potential issues or problems with the game, which can help prevent the  development of negative gaming experiences.

It allows for the free exchange of information, which can help players make informed decisions about the games they play and the communities they join.

It allows for transparency and accountability in game development, as developers can see how their decisions are received by the community and make adjustments accordingly.

[opaque shore]

Hello, Cold Shaker. There is a difference between free speech and disruptive / inconvenient speech.
There are rules in the server and your last wall of text had nothing to do with suggestions or any of the discussions above. It was merely a meme post.
This is the last time I will tell you this.

[wintry forge]

It's not much of a maze when you can see it on your map. I'd actually like a large procedurally generated maze that didn't show on the map, purely for a challenge.

[rancid pebble]

there is no difference except in opinion

[verbal marsh]

pew pew; playtest for diff game just ended qq. Now what do I play.

[woeful lava]

Hi nessi, you are right, I apologize. Here are the top 3 reasons why I think I am in the wrong to post walls of text and will stop posthaste:

Breaking the rules of a discord server can harm the community as a whole, causing disruption and potentially driving away other members.

It can be disrespectful to the server's staff and the time and effort they put into maintaining the community and enforcing the rules.

It can lead to consequences such as being banned or removed from the server, and losing the opportunity to be a part of the community and participate in its activities.

I made this one shorter out of respect for the rules 🙂

[opaque shore]

That's okay. Thanks for understanding, try keeping the topic ongoing ♥

[lucid root]

Cold Shaker uses Subterfuge, its super effective

[verbal marsh]

I can't see myself type with these long blocks of text

[wintry forge]

@woeful lava It might be better if you don't separate each line with an empty line. Then your comments will take up half as much space.

[opaque shore]

Well said!

[lusty wren]

Pretty sure that is the point

...

[lucid root]

typing like he's writing an email

[opaque shore]

Now now, let's go back to talking about D&D suggestions. 😄

[lusty wren]

hard to when you are allowing him to continue to shitpost 😄

[woeful lava]

The extra lines improve readability 🙂

but i can see why it is disruptive

[lucid root]

we aint trying to reverse engineer your c++ code! we know how to read

you seem cool now though, any more weird suggestions?

[woeful lava]

I will think of some, and I will keep it brief this time! 🙂

[native cedar]

@wintry forge Personally I don't like procedurally generated maps in video games. I have yet to see one that isn't obviously procedurally generated. Manual made maps have much higher potential. I know how to navigate through the "maze" I'm fine just navigating around it. I'm just saying if the data showed that most people were avoiding that room then I'd say change it. If the data showed otherwise just keep it.

[woeful lava]

have you seen barony? I think that game does it very well

[lusty wren]

Procedural maps done right can be great. But with a team that says they are not good at it no thanks 😄

They know their skill base better than we do

[native cedar]

@woeful lava Played it. I thought the floors felt pretty similar run to run and it's quite obvious it procedurally generated. Personal tastes

@lusty wren 100%

[lucid root]

procedural gen seems more suited for space/planetary exploration

when you're covering a lot of ground and don't want to design maps for thousands of areas

something cloud imperium has an entire team for i'm pretty sure

[mossy ruin]

I love it as rogue tbh, gives me somewhere to crouch through

[native cedar]

I don't mind procedural gen for some rouge likes/lites. Noita does it really well.

[opaque shore]

I love procedural gen in roguelikes. Binding of Isaac being the best example.

[lucid root]

i might have asked before, but whats the purpose of the lantern?

[solemn trail]

Let's go

[runic musk]

Can we get some moderation or rules for #d-and-d-suggestions
Copyrighted suggestions and shitposts are abundant.

[lucid root]

compared to the old timer its not that bad

[unkempt walrus]

I for one liked @woeful lava 's input

The game needs a MrBeast skin, and maybe a Travis Scott skin

[opaque shore]

Hello. I'll look into this.

[mint ravine]

The Wardens often do clean ups. We can't prevent people from posting suggestions. We can only remove them and advise of any Rule breaching. If you see any specifically that break rules,
Please feel to Create a ticket with the evidence.

[lusty wren]

You guys should set up a standard. Much like other games that do this suggestion type of thing you outline what is and is not acceptable in a suggestion post and remove with a warning anything that does not comply. Multiple instances being timeout worthy @mint ravine

[stuck heath]

Remove overly negative ones too.

[lusty wren]

Its becoming to the point that its not even worth looking at anymore

[stuck heath]

like 3 ups and 100 downs.

[wintry forge]

There are lots that are clearly not serious.

[native cedar]

Probably be less if people stopped giving them what they want. They love the downvotes

[unkempt walrus]

Clearly the addition of Dua Lipa and Han Solo skins is serious though

[lusty wren]

It would be very simple to make suggestion guidelines. And then remove anything that does not comply. So many places do this its very simple

[wintry forge]

If there are skins, I think Ironmace should stick to fantasy characters.

[real trellis]

There should be a way to add a role to serial offenders that prevents them from participating in specific channels. If you disallow posting in the #1048762118255673428 channel for this bad actor role, they will not be able to make suggestions.

You may need to take away their other role(s) and prevent them from re-adding them back to themselves in order to get the permissions right, but it can be done.

[lusty wren]

I think its easier to write up a guideline for it. If you break the guidelines you get treated like anyone else who breaks the rules here

With a warning, then timeout then ban

[real trellis]

Yeah I'm just trying to give them a solution that doesn't go nuclear but I understand where you're coming from

[opaque shore]

Thanks for the suggestions everyone! We should try for now to keep the chat going normally with discussions.

[lusty wren]

We are discussing DaD suggestion channel

On topic id say

We were trying to reply to a tavern master who spoke up about it

[tender magnet]

Is a discussion area

[real trellis]

I'm in a discord where users who act a certain way receive a sort of tongue in cheek 'jailed' role temporarily that does not allow them to post in certain channels until the mod is satisfied they'll stop

So I know it's possible

[lusty wren]

The thing is they allow shit in these suggestions that they timeout for in general

Why is it different?

[tender magnet]

Agreed

[lusty wren]

Hunt showdown used to have a great suggestion channel. With simple guidelines that every suggestion had to follow

If they did not they were removed

It was nice, no shitposting

[real trellis]

I think short and simple would be best

[tender magnet]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
I disagree, arrows shouldn't count, but It should count on throwing knives and axes

[opaque shore]

We are working on making the suggestions cleaner, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

[lusty wren]

Great to hear

[lusty wren]

I go back and forth on this. Definitely would hate to see it removed from throwing knives and axes though

Had to downvote just for that part of it

[terse girder]

i agree, should be kept on throwables. i said arrows specifically in the suggestion

[lusty wren]

But then you said melee only should have it

So that would mean throwing items do not get it

[wintry forge]

Why? I think it makes sense that if you get hit it slows you down.

[tender magnet]

Meh

Agreed, but oppressive on arrows

[terse girder]

Bows are already oppressive vs alot of classes, they don't need to also apply CC from range. Melee needs it, bows do not

[lusty wren]

DId you mean melee classes not weapons?

[wintry forge]

Then just nerf bow damage.

[opaque shore]

Well, I think there is a good point there. It's going to proc way more often with ranged weapons, It would be nice If instead there were arrows with ice/slow debuffs that you can buy rather than just default.
Just for a little better balance.

I said instead twice, fml.

[tender magnet]

Craft, even

[wintry forge]

I watched gameplay vids of people playing with bows earlier today (I don't even know if I've used one), and they were one or two shotting people in the head. Instead of removing the slowing effect of arrows, I think it would make more sense to nerf bow damage, if bows really are OP.

[terse girder]

that is not good balance the damage is fine, Rangers should be two shotting people in the head. Removing the slow effect would make the chances of that Ranger landing a followup headshot much harder vs an unslowed opponent.

lowering damage is not a good way to balance that class, instead we should make it harder and take more skill for them to land two headshots

[runic musk]

They had slaves do it, you should look into that, but thanks

[opaque slate]

...

[runic musk]

Honestly think their abilities is the problem

[opaque shore]

Refrain from talking about controversial topics. Thanks.

[runic musk]

My b

[runic musk]

The ttk on the bow seems a bit to fast compared to melee fights with the splitshot and quickshot, i feel the mage has the same issue compared to melee classes.

[wintry forge]

Yeah. I haven't tried Ranger, but I was surprised to learn they have a perk that let's them see enemy footprints. I'll have to try Ranger next playtest.

[runic musk]

I feel ranged classes need to be a bit more glass cannon

[runic musk]

That perk felt kinda gimmicky imo

But try them they are fun for sure, just need some tweaking to make them less frustrating to fight,

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Thank you 😊

[tender magnet]

Thanks for pointing that out

[faint dirge]

that guy is a legend

[lucid root]

Saving marriages, this guy...

[unkempt walrus]

Back to the real discussion, when is the Mario skin coming to the game

[quiet orbit]

we gotta watch eachothers backs

[carmine path]

i dont believe having an attribute on an armor variant with any type of negate effect would be a good idea, no matter if it is only a small chance of it occurring

[jagged anvil]

go look at https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486 and see if you think the game should be playable during beta instead of shutting it down for a month to do updates and to only be able to play a week

[white cliff]

Your not the first to suggest this nor the last.

It’s just not a practical business decision.

Monetary wise and for longevity.

Just let the devs cook, I don’t want a half baked game.

[carmine path]

They should do it only if they can fund themselves from another source like skins or something like that

no reason they wont be able to do a trial run during one of the alpha/ beta test in the future

[wintry forge]

They already said they're planning early access, so when that happens you can play.

[wintry forge]

@north moss Yeah, I'm not familiar with Dungeons and Dragons classes, but I agree. It makes more sense for a stealth class like Rogue to use ranged weapons.
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[north moss]

Yeah, i mean same for the barbarian i mean how bad ass are javelins? 😂

[loud matrix]

#d-and-d-suggestions message You really think that the OGL changes won't be appealed in court? kek
What WOTC is doing won't hold up in court. It hasn't before for other companies, it won't for them.

[real trellis]

Ranged weapons are widely considered more optimal when playing a rouge in dungeons and dragons, yeah. But for balance reasons, I really don't want to get nailed in the back of the head with a crossbow bolt from a stealthed rogue lol.

[north moss]

Yeah but thats a how a rogue supposed to fight imo. I mean you could do balancing in damage/reload times.

[agile condor]

Just ignore him and move on

[dull glen]

whats the point of ranger if a rogue can just stealth with ranged weapons?

[loud matrix]

In D&D, the fact that ranger can use bows and bows are better than crossbows.

(And Ranger can stealth too there, but that's beside the point.)

[north moss]

Its perks and multi shot etc. For example a rogue would be able to use said weapons maybe slower or you cant charge a bow while hidden.
But giving a wizard a crossbow and not an agi dps class like the rogue is just questionable.

[dull glen]

rogue melee is second best in the game currently, after wizard - they don't need more ranged options for balance sake, maybe a very weak hand crossbow would be fine or a utility hand crossbow where you can extinguish torches with it but not do damage

[north moss]

Idk if thats true, i think its important to have a variety in playstyle. Like every class can do it. The Rogue is locked to melee

[dull glen]

the game is D&D inspired, not D&D however - also legendary windlass headshot from stealth is better than any bow lol

[loud matrix]

The fact that Rogue can't sneak attack with ranged weapons unless he's within 30 ft of his enemy (and that he almost only can do that in the first round of combat) disagree with that point.
At least that's the case in any D&D edition prior to 5E.

[dull glen]

not every class has ranged options though unless you count throwables

[north moss]

Barbarian needs javelin aswell ,cleric has atleast some spells

[dull glen]

being able to judgement every 40 or so seconds within 10m is hardly a ranged option

[north moss]

Rogues can sneak attack as long as they have advantagr in 5e ( being hidden is advantage) as a small note at the side. 😀

[north moss]

Yeah but its auto hit, quite strong.

[loud matrix]

At least that's the case in any D&D edition prior to 5E.

[dull glen]

you can step out of the range of it

[loud matrix]

I'm familiar with 5E. It sucks.

[north moss]

Not if you started casting

[wintry forge]

Keep in mind that the classes aren't balanced like they will be in the final version.

[dull glen]

it's actually only 4.5m and within range it works, unless it's bugged

according to the tooltip

if you step out of range, it will stop

[north moss]

The cast went through when you started casting, even when the target moves around a corner or out of range

Maybe it is a bug

Idk

[dull glen]

can't confirm since the game isn't up but thats not what the tooltip says

[loud matrix]

With some statements the devs made, like pretty much all classes being able to pick up spells except fighter and already implemented perks expanding on the classes and their weapon list, I legitimately wonder if a classless system where you then pick up proficiency through customization might actually be better for their vision.
It would be a departure from classic D&D to be sure, but certain elements of the game make me think that would just straight up work better at this point.

[north moss]

If thats true it sounds a lot like subclasses ( Arcane trickster for Rogues).. i mean there will be a talent tree. I am just really passionate and hyped for this game.

[upbeat pewter]

ranger definitely needs to lose its ties to ranged combat, in all honesty.

that isnt to say that it shouldnt be the 'best' at it, but ranger definitely should be melee viable, and fighter/rogue should be ranged viable.

im hoping talents allow rogues to gain ranged combat. they'd be FAR too strong with current abilities though, if they effect it. any weapon over 30 damage on a rogue starts to be kind of insane.

[faint dirge]

ranger is 100% melee viable

[north moss]

That is true yes, but arent his abilities mostly ranged?

[faint dirge]

All of them

Just has spear and dog knifes

[north moss]

Spear is nice but a perk for it in some kind of way would be nice

[faint dirge]

You can only equip it with perk

Also gives plus 10 strenght when using spear

[north moss]

Ahhh i didnt know that

[wintry forge]

What do you think about adding Door Mimics as an enemy type?

[iron fractal]

please give up already

[ashen ibex]

id rather portal mimics

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, thats mostly it. i can imagine with talents, we'll get a range tree and a melee tree

melee viable imo means you can have a kit dedicated to it.

how were they with spears after the nerf? i assuming its fine, but is it actually still great?

[tawny lagoon]

Spear was probably the best 2h this playtest so I assume +10 on top of that is great

My ranger friend did not use them because well, bows

[rocky oar]

Ur right

My ranger friend was my pavise slut- lol

[upbeat pewter]

spear was the best pre-nerfs.

it was nerfed mid-test

[north moss]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Maybe they will implement the spella for all spellcasting classes "see invisibility".

[elder heart]

tbh i wouldnt run it because there are just better options

[opal sparrow]

@vivid rover I think the ogl problem has already been fixed? I think they wotc already address that they made a mistake

[rocky oar]

Lol

It's getting worse my guy

[opal sparrow]

Oh really what happend?

[rocky oar]

Their apology was filled with lies and straight up a backhand to the community. They also go on to state they will continue to work on the OGL which means they are gonna find different ways to word things and/or change some stuff but, at the end of the day they are gonna try to get money out from the people one way or another. They are also trying to charge monthly $30 for One DnD

There's some more background info behind all this but that is the jist of it

[opal sparrow]

Oh wow, that sucks then

[rocky oar]

Yea, it's like really really bad

They are never gonna recover from this

On top of the shit they are doing with Magic is wild

[cosmic thistle]

I havn't really seen much past the controversy of the new OGL. So what is this about changes in magic?

[rocky oar]

So before the OGL bs happened. The whole 30th Anniversary Magic happened which was them trying to scam their community to scoff up $1,000 for a single pack of cards that has 4 cards in the pack. Not only was this a massive slap in the face to the community but, the cards are pretty much proxies that can not even be used in any tournaments at all including commanders. Also, the rates of the pack are so bad that someone made a site to set out your luck and most people were getting above 20k dollars to even hit a Black Lotus with this tool.

To add on to that, WotC is so money hungry that they are legit pumping out a new set every single month and their community is already over it and completely burned out.

[north moss]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[rocky oar]

Nor can 90% of people even keep up anyway when it comes to money.

[upbeat pewter]

OGL has nothing to do with this game anyway. absolute worst case, a few abilities change names.

[wraith gulch]

May I ask what OGL stand for in the magic community and why is this discussed in a suggest chat

[upbeat pewter]

you're allowed to be inspired by another game. assets/story/characters are not.

[rocky oar]

I doubt most anything will change

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, i dont think its at all relevant. but if it was, thats all

[rocky oar]

DnD is super weird because they can't control 90% of what's in the game

Like they don't own the word/name Fireball

Or Wizard and such

[upbeat pewter]

a spell called fireball that hits heavy damage in a radius is borderline.

[rocky oar]

Nope

[upbeat pewter]

its like.. general enough that it cant be touched

[rocky oar]

Fireball is used is so many different fantasies

[upbeat pewter]

but if you also have a spell list that also contains other very similar spells, thats when there 'may' be trouble

but even then, im agreeing with you, its exceptionally unlikely.

[rocky oar]

DaD can go and make a spell list of all the spells that they don't own and WotC can't do shit

Which is like a lot of fucking- spells

[upbeat pewter]

the problem is that businesses dont really act like that.
the situation would be WotC wants to make an issue, raises a court case that they would inevitably lose, and throw more money than IM can aford to compete with in a long drawn out case till IM goes bankrupt.

[rocky oar]

They do in court

[upbeat pewter]

thats unfortunately how law works in our current world. but yeah, its not likely to happen.

it wouldnt really make much sense

[rocky oar]

Also, that wouldn't be drawn out at all

[wraith gulch]

Say that to Diablo and every other RPG out there, nothing happens

[rocky oar]

Either they own the term or they do not

[upbeat pewter]

Im not sure why you think it wouldnt be.

[rocky oar]

There's no if or thens involved

[upbeat pewter]

plenty of cases have been exactly that over something meaningless.

and basically settled, because the defender doesnt have the money to try to defend themselves.

[low flicker]

Im losing braincells reading thus

[opal sparrow]

If you are losing braincells on a simple discussion of cases, then buddy you already lost it

[rocky oar]

Oof

[opaque shore]

Hey guys. Please be polite and respectful towards each other, thanks. 👍

[lucid root]

@solemn siren guilds are most likely coming, shared stash is another question, seems messy

[opaque shore]

I think sdf does talk about this in #dev-qna-archives

[solemn siren]

if you were playing with your friends, for example, you could share items or gold through such a guild stash and they could add upgrading such a guild and, for example, with the development of the guild, there would be better and better items from merchants, of course, at the expense of guild improvement

and more stash space

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, if something like that were to come in, it would only be after a 'shared' character inventory. not even considered before that, as it makes that decision completely redundant

[white cliff]

Limited stash space is an intended mechanic. Increasing it fundamentally changes the game.

It becomes an issue when you look at what it does for players who have a higher skill level, how with more storage they’re able to snowball and keep more gear without wiping.

Currently you can only keep a few full kits especially if you’re storing large amounts of gold. Increasing stash storage would make it so you can keep an exponential amount of kits, meaning if I don’t die and continue to stack purples and above it becomes increasingly easier to roll over people and not to have a stash wipe by dying a few times.

[fair copper]

Finally

#d-and-d-suggestions i have finally got it working

[smoky yoke]

Nice

[muted crag]

All these suggestions fishing for a counter to invisibility abilities and spells, throw them in the trash!

[fair copper]

Now my suggestion can be properly discussed 🙂

[muted crag]

No need, I've put the nail in that ones coffin.

[fair copper]

Nooo

[smoky yoke]

Everyone has their own opinion, please be respectful

[boreal sun]

there wouldn't really need to be a "counter" to invis if it had some sort of cooldown period coming out of invis

[muted crag]

Well there is.

[boreal sun]

think like... spy in tf2
gotta wait a second or two before you're allowed to attack

there isn't in dark n darker
if there is, it's not impactful enough to be noticeable

[muted crag]

rogue hide cool down.

[boreal sun]

I'm talking about attacking immediately after coming out of invis

normal attacking

not ability cooldowns

if people couldn't immediately cast MM or start stabbing you in the face after coming out of invis, invis would be less obnoxious

[muted crag]

time is precious with ambush perks.

[boreal sun]

you wouldn't really have to change anything else about it

they could easily adjust the ambush perk timing to account for any sort of invis attack lockout

if the lockout were 1 second, add 1 second to the perk

[soft relic]

It would be better to do a TTK nerf across all classes in high end gear than to do some junky attack lockout when leaving stealth.

[mossy ruin]

ttk nerf PLEASE, agreed

[soft relic]

With the current mechanics, it does not make sense to give a class that can die in 1 hit a 1 second attack lockout on an ability designed to let them ambush people.

Making it so fights last a little longer (not a lot longer, just a little) across the board gives people more reaction time in a way that doesn't remove the entire purpose of stealth to begin with.

[opaque shore]

TTK seemed like one of the highlights of the game for me last playtest...

[fair copper]

Whats ttk

[smoky yoke]

"Time to Kill"

it means that TTK
it was something I didn't know as well weeks ago

[fair copper]

Ty

[smoky yoke]

no problem

[mossy ruin]

Highlights because you felt like you killed players in a timely manner?

The time to kill for starting characters, all grey gear, seemed more or less ok to me. But once gear was slapped on, shit was silly imo.

[agile condor]

Thought TTK was fine

[white cliff]

Same.

[smoky yoke]

it seems like if you jump costantly, there's some damage reduction because the hits 7/10 won't reach the head
so less damage

[south lichen]

has anyone suggested like a practice range area with dummies yet

[smoky yoke]

they did

[agile condor]

several people lol

[south lichen]

oh gg

[mossy ruin]

Well when I mention TTK i am referring to getting instakilled by one MM pellet or dropped by Rogue. I did get a rogue to 20 and had a nice set of flat damage+ and everyone just fell over for me.

[white cliff]

Yes, about a hundred times?

[south lichen]

gg

[white cliff]

I downvote the redundant ones just out of principal now honestly.

[smoky yoke]

rogue it is also very a problem with that huge poison and bleed stacks lol

[native harness]

how dare you suggest a previously suggested suggestion?

[south lichen]

suggest

[smoky yoke]

and seems like experienced players don't even use invisibility

just the other perk

ability, not perk

[white cliff]

It’s already be posted once today so lmao.

[agile condor]

Getting into 3v3 fights can already take long enough & the circle is already pretty fast, increasing ttk just leaves more battles unsettled and people trying to just find portals imo

[white cliff]

@slender plume I refuse to believe you’re not an alt account.

[native harness]

depends if you're playing solo or with a team imo, for solo I really liked having stealth

[native harness]

are people supposed to know what's been said the last 24 hours?

[agile condor]

idk, joined dec 26th

[smoky yoke]

sure, in the end it's preference.
i've seen some Troubadour here in the server doing solo and had no invisibility and i was impressed by the gameplay

[agile condor]

That suggestion is also a mix between desolent & beanz

[white cliff]

People probably should know that things like that have been suggested thousands of times yes. It’s like how many times are we going to post about VoIP or guilds…

[agile condor]

Would be easier to know if the trolls were actually cleaned up lol

[native harness]

yeah for sure

[white cliff]

No removing the trolls suggestions would be too simple.

[native harness]

yeah idk, I don't see the problem with someone asking in general chat if something's already been suggested

[agile condor]

They should also just use the Discord Forums/Posts - allow topics to rise to the top, allow blocking users to actually work, & allow newcomers to see suggestions more easily. Can still add voting in there too.

[native harness]

didn't look like a troll post to me, but what do I know

[agile condor]

which?

[native harness]

the one who asked about a practice range

[agile condor]

Yeah that's fine

Noone was suggesting that Talisman suggesting a suggestion that was already suggested was a troll suggestion .... XD

[native harness]

xd

[lucid root]

That's a pretty common request, place to use training dummies outside of match warmup

[lusty wren]

How would dark and darker get sued for their name? What is it people do not understand?

[minor pond]

dudes speaking to thin air

[long dawn]

Basically anything I could think of for this game is either pre planned by the Devs or it's been suggested hundreds of tines

I do most of my small suggestions in this chat

[quaint ivy]

List of suggestions:

1. keep Normal que and High roller, it's great. We dont need solo duo or trio sub ques, waste of time and effort.
2. Buff some of the unused weapons, or maybe improve their attack arc, and pattern to make all weapons have a special niche they are trying to fill.
3. Keep the auction house, it's top tier runescape level chatroom, just allow chat room pausing maybe, or showing of prices in the chat room / filters
   4.Change AI so that if a big shield is placed infront of them impeding path, to break the shield.
   5.Voip (i hope this makes it in! Voip would be amazing)
4. The Races are a great idea, and i loved that they have very minor positives and negatives.
   7.More STASH space (biggest complaint) Even if i have to pay for a more expensive addition like Tarkov, Stash spash is needed, OR adding Chests you can craft that you can orginize / your storage.
   8.Tetris is really needed, in a dev blog it was talked about that you did not want that, but i think you should.
   9.I'm not an archer main, i'm a wizard main but.. please dont make arrows a thing, maybe just slow down the reload time, dont make it so that they have to find arrows, or have limited arrows, it would ruin the class, i love the meditate on wizard.
   and last, 10. make all passives viable or buff the ones not used.

[rancid pebble]

Tbh they just need more rooms and limits for the auction house, I can't remember how many people were in it but it was probably too many to read for most people

[lucid root]

More trade channels?

[rancid pebble]

Yea, so if each had a limit of like 100 traders

Then you wouldnt have 1000 people in 2 of the 9 channels

like last PT

[lucid root]

Would be cool if we could trade in a tavern hangout lobby

[long dawn]

Make the rangers have to stop and fletch arrows. Just like the wizard gas to meditate. Or yeah just adjust the time it takes to reload

[rancid pebble]

I would make it so you reload faster when standing still and if you move it takes longer

then in PvP it is not as easy for uptime on arrows

[quaint ivy]

i think, when you mean faster, you mean the current speed. and when walking / running slow it down even more, because right now the archer feels really strong.

[lucid root]

I think ranger is fine for the most part, maybe tweak bow damage a little

[rancid pebble]

indeed

Ive said it a lot, ranger is probably the only class on the verge of truly being OP

to me he isnt OP, but I understand people who feel he is

wiz haters don't understand what it means to be overpowered when they complain about getting styled on by some mage

[lusty wren]

You really think ranger is stronger than wiz?

😄

[rancid pebble]

but me one shotting someone with like day one purp longbows that is silly

I think ranger has a lower skill ceiling, lower floor, and is in general better

[quaint ivy]

it depends on the circumstances, i get that. every class has a strong suit, which is how it should be.

My whole argument was to not limit the cap on arrows

[rancid pebble]

if you look at the overlap of the two ranges, then ranger is better, but the best wiz is better than the best ranger

[lucid root]

That's why I'm thinking tweak the bow damages a little, it's so easy to get up and running with a decent bow

[rancid pebble]

yea, I think some people are jumping the gun by saying you should buy and bring arrows in. I made that recommendation a few days ago but in hindsight it would be too tedious and expensive and not flow with the game

[rancid pebble]

fax, I forget the spread but I think like base recurve compared to purp is like 30 damage diff or something silly

[lusty wren]

Sounds as if you guys are complaining about a gear scaling issue not a class issue

[rancid pebble]

Sort of, but ranger also has nice skills that people complain about

nerfing bows wouldn't make ranger haters happy, would it?

at this point i feel people just dislike ranger

[lusty wren]

Nothing will make haters happy

That is the point of them being haters

😄

[open ermine]

probably not, after damage nerf they'd move onto triple shots instant reload

[rancid pebble]

ye

[lucid root]

I'm happy occasionally

[rancid pebble]

i remember people calling that a glitch, even though the devs wrote it was a change from Pt2 -> Pt3

[opaque shore]

Don't forget to send this in the bot too If you haven't already

[lusty wren]

Personally I think rations could use a nerf

[rancid pebble]

yes

[lusty wren]

But that is all id change on ranger

(gear scaling is a different topic and also needs adjusting)

[rancid pebble]

do you think rations is a noob skill for ranger or a must have

i never went triple shot and 5 shot but some "top rank" rangers did

[lusty wren]

I just think its the best self sustain in the game and with ranger having the best CC, the best self sustain and one of the best single target dmg it feels overtuned

[rancid pebble]

yea we've been over that road before

[open ermine]

probably gonna get worse if they add their spell list

[soft relic]

Honestly, with ranger in its current form I see little reason for anyone to play fighter. Not saying ranger itself needs huge changes.

[rancid pebble]

Interesting

[opaque shore]

I don't think rations needs a nerf, It already takes up an entire skill slot for limited healing, easily is a very convenient way to heal but at high levels of skill It isn't necessary because you can always Health Potion or Bandage instead.

I'm perfect sound with where rations is right now because It's mostly a noobie trap than anything, just convenient.

[lusty wren]

"limited healing"

If you want limited healing look at second wind

Rations is by far the best self sustain in the game

[quaint ivy]

I love that every class should be OP in their own way ~ my buddy plays ranger, and man if you're a good shot you pwn.

I play mage and if i can multitask / good positioning i slap whole teams, that being said, 1 -2 good arrows and im dead, which is awesome.

Fighter are super fast and scary with spears / long swords or shields and swords.

barbs be busting down doors and 1 shotting people.

rogues positioning / jumping players is op as heck too.

Clerics need a slight buff, but they are super strong with good players even as is, although that mace attack style needs to be adjusted... too easy to predict.

[rancid pebble]

yea this was the take I was alluding to before, that rations is a noob trap. I think making it have 2 charges would be fine

[opaque shore]

I forgot how much Rations heal, but It was just a little over the fighter healing skill, which also gives MS.

[lusty wren]

YOu also get what 4 charges?

[rancid pebble]

Not even about being a good shot, if you have ever played an fps ranger can own. If you miss with ranger than you aren't meant to be playing games..

[lusty wren]

And they are replenishable by a single fire

Its vastly superior to second wind

second wind is also over time

rations is instant

[opaque shore]

I don't think they're replenishable, am I mistaken here?

[rancid pebble]

3 charges

[lucid root]

Perfectly balanced pvp would be pretty boring, I like ranged classes having an advantage

[lusty wren]

sorry 3 charges 😄

[rancid pebble]

not replenishable

[soft relic]

But ranger does ranged combat better than a fighter, has a better self heal than fighters, does melee as well or better than fighter (spear is generally one of, if not the best fighter weapon, and ranger gets a large buff while using it), moves and interacts with things faster than fighter, and gets traps.

Most of this is an issue with at high end gear, plate armor doesn't do enough.

[opaque shore]

1 charge of 50% vs 3 charges of 25% or something like that

[open ermine]

same a good tilt can make things more interesting overall

[rancid pebble]

True, but you gotta think about armor and gear that fighter can use

[lusty wren]

It being instant is a huge deal over it taking time

[opaque shore]

I believe It's pretty fair, since It's mostly convenience over much better skills

[lusty wren]

Its about the totality of the rangers kit

and how it compares to others

[opaque shore]

Bandages don't take time, you can easily buy many after you've played the game a lot.

[lusty wren]

Not how it compares to its own skills

Bandages take way more time to apply than rations

[soft relic]

Not really. In the end, it doesn't matter if a fighter can use a war maul if spear is better. And the armor at high end gear is irrelevant for PvP.

[opaque shore]

There is an animation for rations, they aren't instant heals either.

[lusty wren]

that is why I said bandages take longer to APPLY

[soft relic]

It's a very, very short animation.

[opaque shore]

I think out of everything to nerf ranger, Rations should be the least one they should worry about. It's just convenience and not even the BiS skill for Ranger

[wintry forge]

If ranged classes are better, everyone will play as ranged classes.

[lusty wren]

Again its about the totality of the kit and how it compares to the other classes

Not whether you consider it a noob trap or not 😄 If its just a noob trap remove it all together

[opaque shore]

There are many other things I would agree nerfing Ranger on, the last one would be Rations

[lusty wren]

IMO if a skill is considered a noob trap is has no place

[soft relic]

My issue with ranger is that they get the damage of a 2 handed weapon from across the room, but also have high melee potential, along with self heals, traps, fast move and interaction speed. It's too much in one kit.

[lusty wren]

So lets not nerf rations

[opaque shore]

If It's a noob trap, why do you want to nerf it? Wouldn't it give the game more balance If unexperienced rangers didn't take the META for tryharding?

[lusty wren]

lets just remove it from rangers kit

I do like that idea better

great suggestion

[soft relic]

Classes need a spot where they are weak. Like rogue at range, or fighter vs wizard. Ranger's kit feels like it covers too many bases.

[lusty wren]

I explained my reasoning. I think the rangers kit is to wide, when compared to other classes. Best cc in game, best self sustain in game, One of the highest single target dmgs

[opaque shore]

I agree. But I also agree Rations has barely any to do with Rangers full potential currently.

[lusty wren]

I dont think ranger needs nerfed. I just dont think it should be able to tick every box when it comes to its kit

[opaque shore]

Triple shot, Traps, Strong Longbows, those are way more of a concern than 3 bandages that are just a little faster.

[lusty wren]

Its the best self sustain skill in the game

No reason for ranger to have that option IMO

Gear scaling is why the other stuff is strong

Not the class

[opaque shore]

Have you played Cleric? Or am I tripping?

[lusty wren]

I main cleric

Cleric heals are not self sustain

they are healing spells

Vastly different

[opaque shore]

You can use one of them on yourself, no?

[lusty wren]

and others, they are not classed under self sustain

Not in any other game known to man anyways 😄

[opaque slate]

wow i love the ability to get 10% of my hp back on kill 🙂

[lusty wren]

I just think the kit needs narrowed. I think ranger is in a fine place for the most part though So as I originally said I could take it or leave it

[soft relic]

In other games, a heal that can be used on yourself is considered sustain. But then we get back to the argument, is the cleric's kit as well rounded as ranger?

[opaque shore]

I don't know man, I don't buy the rations thing, maybe making it two charges to make It exactly like fighters heal.
I don't think Rations is as strong as you believe it to be, without discrediting It's values.

[lusty wren]

Than why bring it down to 2 charges?

😄

[opaque shore]

It's a pretty convenient take, It's also not META.

[lusty wren]

Meta means nothing at this point in the game 😄

[opaque shore]

You can run different builds other than just the best ranger builds

It will mean something in the future, I'd rather have more options than less options.
Don't turn Dark and Darker skills & perks into League of Legends rune system, where one type of build is the only one you take otherwise you are at a huge disadvantage.

[lusty wren]

How is putting rations in line turning the game into LoL?

😄

If you are gonna put things into my mouth please at least take me to dinner first

[rocky oar]

Proxy has a list of people blocking him btw lol

[opaque shore]

Yeah I understand why

[lucid root]

In terms of min/maxing boss runs it probably will turn out like that later, 2 ranged 1 cleric, comps like that

[lusty wren]

Oh because I share a different opinion as you? Great moderating 😄

[soft relic]

Why should ranger sustain be the same as fighter? Fighter is supposed to mostly be in melee, at greater risk of getting hit. You shouldn't be in melee as much with ranger.

[lusty wren]

Careful they gonna block you for having a differing opinion

[soft relic]

Eh, if people need to they can. I'm totally fine with differing opinions as long as they aren't straight up trolling 100% of the time like some people here. 🤣

[opaque shore]

Ranger has way less defensive options than Fighter, way less defensive gear than Fighter, what they should do to balance the game is work on Longbows, Triple Shot, Traps, Movement & Overall nerfs to Ranger.
I feel like "Narrowing down a kit" or "Removing x from kit" can just lead to boring tryhard METAs more often than not.

I myself barely used Rations, but most of my friends used them, I didn't see much reason to use them over bandages but I can definitely see the point that it is in fact better than all other heals in the game.

I don't think that's a reason to just straight up remove it but rather maybe nerf it or work around it. In fact, I think Ranger is so strong the Rations are the least of the worries over balancing, in my opinion.

[lusty wren]

BTW you really should learn to be a bit more professional 😉 But I am off to be productive enjoy boys

[soft relic]

Once you get to high end gear, purple plate gets 2 shot, maybe 3 shot just like regal gambesons. The whole fighter defensive gear thing is vastly overrated.

[quaint ivy]

when i played ranger it was tripple shot and SHOTGUN bow skill, rations were not needed.

[opaque shore]

You tell me, I was always 100% scared of most enemies, since my gear is even worse than fighter gear, I would easily die to anything.

[soft relic]

I was in similar gear to rangers, being a rogue. I'm just saying the idea that plate gear makes fighter defense high enough to matter is kind of a fallacy once additional damage gear gets involved. I was always more scared of rangers than fighters, myself.

[opaque shore]

I can absolutely agree with you here, but that still doesn't entirely discredit the fact that fighters do indeed have better gear.

[soft relic]

Ranger melee was just as or more deadly than fighter melee, and they took the same number of hits to kill

[rocky oar]

Wizard, its dumb right now cause their ain't shit that has magic resist to be honest

[quaint ivy]

barb.

[opaque shore]

This is something they should work on, I absolutely agree.

[rocky oar]

You are right but funny enough barb isn't an issue because of how slow they are as well

Which is funny

[opaque shore]

I would always bring a spear with me, It was very strong.

[quaint ivy]

@rocky oar you should watch grimzzz lol

[opaque shore]

Cleric + Wiz or Wiz + Wiz on their team and you're toast!

[rocky oar]

That's what I ran

[lucid root]

Wizard will never get nerfed

[opaque shore]

[rancid pebble]

i take a call for like 15 min and miss so much

[rocky oar]

It's way too strong

[open ermine]

not directly but when MR gets in sad day

[rancid pebble]

I should just make a suggestion polling people on if ranger is op or not

[quaint ivy]

i will say, i think those throwing axes need to come out a little faster or have a little more umph to it to deal with medium range targets, but i do think if you run into a barb in close range or use corners they are in a great spot.

[rocky oar]

Was wiping so many highroller lobbies back to back to back

[lucid root]

Yeah good point, better stack some more true damage

[opaque shore]

I mean, #development does not lie. Ranger was easily by far the best PvE class and still very good in PvP too.

[rancid pebble]

thank god another person actually using statistics

[soft relic]

I don't think ranger was massively OP. May need a few small tweaks. I think gear scaling and paper plate armor were bigger issues.

[rancid pebble]

By those metrics i tried saying that barb was bad at PvE and got crucified

[rocky oar]

I'm on the fence between Ranger and Wizard

[quaint ivy]

but barb was good at pve no? they 2 shot everything lol

[rancid pebble]

im liking that people are recognizing scaling as a problem

[rancid pebble]

you have to remember that data is skewed

[rocky oar]

Cause Ranger has consistent range dps while wiz has the fastest burst dps

[rancid pebble]

overall pickrate as well as ttk mean that barb has the lowest mobs killed

by far

[opaque shore]

In theory according to statistics, they were very good at both PvE and PvP

[opaque shore]

Spider mummies as Barbarian

[rocky oar]

and ima be honest have a wiz magic missile mini bosses as fast possible so that you can move on to the next room and start looting is insane

[rancid pebble]

barbs that fear and are too slow take too long, when a fighter and ranger or wiz can kill a room in maybe 30 seconds

[rancid pebble]

[quaint ivy]

@rancid pebble that's interesting, although i kinda believe it most barbs i played with were door smashing runners that just tried to gun for players lol

[rancid pebble]

all in all after talking to proxy a big time barbarian guy for maybe 2 hours the other week, barb is probably fine with PvE, people just arent utilizing him the best

[opaque shore]

I was a ratty Barb, breaking chests and looting my way out like that

[rancid pebble]

yes, which is true, but just like rogues who do the same they had less PvE kills which is weird data

Tbh I hated playing barb

[rocky oar]

Shit is just so ungoldly unbalanced

[rancid pebble]

u talking about wiz still?

[rocky oar]

Wiz and Ranger

[rancid pebble]

Yea

thats just range though

[quaint ivy]

i started rogue, switched to archer, then stuck with wizard because of the raw pvp damage, and ability to outplay with no gear

[rocky oar]

They need to be nerfed

[opaque shore]

Ngl, same. I love the class & I loved breaking chests, but felt very underwhelming as a solo player to go Barbarian

[rancid pebble]

i got really high and thought about it

and range is just better, historically has been, always will be

[rocky oar]

I pumped 80 hours in the last alpha and I didn't even play on the last 3 days

[quaint ivy]

~ passes the potion ~

[rancid pebble]

I need to play more wiz...

[lucid root]

Sip sip pass

[rocky oar]

and once I figured out the game and got good, the only classes that killed me were another wiz or ranger assuming they were even good

no other class was able to kill me

[quaint ivy]

@lucid root knows ~ lol

[rancid pebble]

real

losing the ranger duel breaks my heart sometimes

but 75% of the time they just hit their shots faster, I feel like ranger is like a game like apex where it isnt about who has better aim since everyone should have great aim, just about who misses first and who has better loot

[lucid root]

I'd nerf the cast speed on books a little, straight up machine gun

Magic missile gatling gun

[rancid pebble]

pew pew

[rocky oar]

um

[rancid pebble]

True, something about breaking a chest with a giant axe feels so fun

[rocky oar]

I don't think weapons change cast speed

They all felt the same

Knowledge is what changes it

[rancid pebble]

Its animation that he may be talkign ab

[rocky oar]

You just get better movement speed is all

[rancid pebble]

like how staff animation is slower than orb or book

[opaque shore]

That prison room where you break a chest to open up a passage way below...

[rancid pebble]

sometimes I just be breaking chests and not even looting... its about sending a message

[quaint ivy]

@lucid root books are strong for sure, but i think it's going the right direction damage wise, just maybe less speed like you're saying

[rocky oar]

I kinda don't remember now. I'd have to pay attention to it next time but I know on the stats it just says movement speed

[rancid pebble]

unrelated but what is yourpfp

it looks like a school mascot kinda

[rocky oar]

Pandaren Monk from WoW

That's my character with transmog on

[rancid pebble]

I see, never played wow

pretty dope looking

[rocky oar]

Although I quit WoW awhile ago

I just haven't found a new game yet to dedicate myself to

so that I can get myself a new logo

[rancid pebble]

I have one for you, its called "Dark and Darker"

[rocky oar]

It's about to me

I'm just waiting a bit longer to make sure it is it

[rancid pebble]

every since I played this game I feel no desire to play any other game, im losing my mind

[rocky oar]

same

[opaque shore]

Transmog is such a good thing, all games should have something like it. I effin' LOVE! Customization options, especially something that gives meaning to every single item in game like that, in a way where you can still wear BiS equipment without looking like Cookie from Ned's Declassified 🤣

[rancid pebble]

i played a few hours of overwatch the other day and felt even less joy than usual (i never feel joy)

[rocky oar]

well

[rancid pebble]

omg cookie, you brought out such an old memory

[rocky oar]

overwatch is shit first of all

[rancid pebble]

real

[open ermine]

i loved transmog but severely miss seeing clown suits everywhere

[rancid pebble]

borg with a banger suggestion

[lucid root]

Lol

[opaque shore]

https://tenor.com/view/neds-declassified-nickelodeon-friends-friends-forever-friendship-gif-18607579

[smoky yoke]

lol why did you downvote your own suggestion

[rocky oar]

How about make mining faster in general

[rancid pebble]

didn't they add this show to netflix??

[rocky oar]

It's not worth doing at all atm

[open ermine]

did any stat speed up mining speeds at all?

[rocky oar]

To then just turn it in and get dog shit- stats

[smoky yoke]

the ruby minerals, possible to craft those op armor iirc

[lucid root]

I always start it with a downvote, sometimes upvotes snowball

Whoaaa humble brag

[rocky oar]

Like I said, dog shit- stats if you get unlocky

[smoky yoke]

chad

[rancid pebble]

Mining might not even be in the game right?

[lucid root]

You'd think interaction speed affects mining, no?

[smoky yoke]

there are some mineral ores

i never actually took a single mineral though

[rancid pebble]

correct, but they said it is always subject to change and like skins and leaderboards could be only in the PT

[smoky yoke]

or at least there were, idk next

yea

[smoky yoke]

it is true, everything may be subject to change

[rancid pebble]

what did people think of them

[lucid root]

Mining leaderboard category

[rancid pebble]

I remember selling it on the market a few times after I got some and it is such a hassle, in game economy like these give me flashbacks to EVE online

[rancid pebble]

time to reset the childlabor laws

[lucid root]

EVE is like having a second job

[open ermine]

at first i thought it was cool, armor to mine for but between the time it takes to break a single node, the amount needed for a single piece of gear and then praying to rng? easier to just play the market and get the gear there

[rancid pebble]

fr, I played eve in like 6th grade and had a realization that it was so worthless, quit cold turkey

[rocky oar]

It takes way to long

[rancid pebble]

real, legendary and uniques better and easier to get

[lucid root]

I like the break of pace just hanging out mining still

[smoky yoke]

and i guess other people can hear you while you use the

[rancid pebble]

I want to roleplay as a blue collar dwarf chilling with the boys

[lucid root]

If they put in proximity chat I'll play mining sounds to drive people insane

[rancid pebble]

Chaotic evil

[rocky oar]

Mining needs to be cut in half or the amount ores needs to be cut in half

[rancid pebble]

if they add that ill go to the hidden jump spots and drink invis pots and just taunt people

"colder. warmer..."

[open ermine]

if they keep it i imagine they'll tie it to like strength stat or something so people can make mining builds

[lucid root]

Mining build 😂

[opaque shore]

Thankfully they have different regions, so I won't have to worry about my horrible English pronunciation 🤣

[smoky yoke]

combat record is something it could be cool, as long it's not clutter 🤔 but maybe with a toggleable overlay while spectating maybe

[lucid root]

maybe a dev console, type in enable_combatlog or something

scroll up and down the console

is there an in game dev console you can open?

i just assumed there wasn't one since ~ didn't work

[smoky yoke]

they could simply make it optional via overlays or maybe when returning to the tavern, but maybe it could be kinda clutter but idk

but it is cool indeed seeing the last fatal hit (if it was in the head or body, ect)

[rocky oar]

I am a believer of having a way to re-roll stats in someway. There are too many stats with 0 restrictions on how those stats are done for their to be no way to reroll stats. It's insane how physical classes will get gear for them but have BS magic stats and the same goes for magic classes.

Imagine getting a legendary or artifact and it just has a bunch of magic stats on a spear or bow

like wut

[lucid root]

thats all part of the fun

[granite plinth]

Why are people against cosmetics?

[rocky oar]

I know for a fact people don't find that fun

[quaint ivy]

yeah... that's the point of rng lol

[lucid root]

who is

[quaint ivy]

dungeon loot grind brooo

[rocky oar]

cosmetics are fine

I want more of it

[granite plinth]

My sugestioms with cosmectics are not very liked

[quaint ivy]

when you find that one good piece and it's worth 2.5k GOLD

[granite plinth]

Like pets and rick and morty

[quaint ivy]

i want what brau is smoking

wubba lubba dub dub

[rocky oar]

lol

[rancid pebble]

rerolling stats should reroll the whole thing right

[lucid root]

it was fine then you added on something about cats being able to disable traps o_O

[rocky oar]

Their are different ways to do it

[quaint ivy]

LOL cat thieves, LETS GOOO

[granite plinth]

It was extra suggestion for devs to consider

[rocky oar]

Some games reroll the entire item and some games let you select only one stat and once that one stat is rerolled, you can only reroll that one stat over and over

I prefer the second option

[quaint ivy]

i mean @rocky oar that could maybe be something with the armor smith, like it would be cool if you can exchange 2 pieces of same quality gear, to reforge it into something new or something dumb like that

[lucid root]

if you get a crap legendary you throw that shit in the trash!

go find another one (:

[quaint ivy]

or a way to break down armor for scraps of the same quality to roll a new one with vendors

[lucid root]

a PoE vendor craft style, put in like 3 crap legendaries and it gives you a random one of the same type

[rancid pebble]

seems a little op

[rocky oar]

I think it should be gold but it needs to be slightly expensive and you need to do it with some in game trader in the middle of a match to make it a risk

[rancid pebble]

people with time and in game money gunna gap everyone else

[opaque shore]

It's on Unreal Engine, I don't think Unreal Engine compiles with the console available.

[quaint ivy]

unreal engine 5 is fantastic, i cant wait to see what they do with it.

[lucid root]

i haven't made anything on UDK yet so idk

on unreal engine 3 it might have been on by default

[rocky oar]

either that or we need a auction house cause I know people don't like having the time wasted when they can just go into another game

[lucid root]

diablo 3 flashbacks

[rocky oar]

lol

I'm thinking like WoW auction house

xD

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
there you go

[rancid pebble]

also true

the 1 percent have 70 percent of the good rolled loot...

[lucid root]

if not more

[rocky oar]

People don't like having their time wasted. It's the biggest reason people quit games. Same reason WoW is losing their player base because Blizzard just wants to gate their players and waste their time. I wanna look at the Auction, buy what I want without looking at a wall of text, and go straight into a new game.

Why do I need to waste 20-30 mins wanting to find a piece of gear when I can look at an auction house for 2 mins and then move on.

And I know yall have wasted a lot of time in trade chat either trying to sell or trying to find a decent piece you want to buy for 20+ minutes.

[lucid root]

i didn't use trade chat at all lol

i probably will at some point, was just trying to learn the game mostly

[rocky oar]

It wasn't fun, at all.

[rancid pebble]

its never easy, thats why games that start complex get more and more. They are creating an economy. Almost nowhere else is an economy just started from the ground up

[open ermine]

trade chat is a bit of a mess yeah, an Auction house or specified trade channels like someone i think suggested awhile back would help immensely in speeding up trading

[rancid pebble]

I think that it was hard before to get perfect rolls, but it seems fine to get good enough gear

Like for me personally I dont care if my bow has casting speed or whatever because the weapon doesn't care or know about me, it is just there

as long as you are able to get gear that does anything

[rocky oar]

A lot of people don't think that way.

It would also help with selling as well. Just throw up your time on the AH and then que right back into a game.

[lucid root]

more filters, maybe put the channels in a slowmode

at least until they figure out a better system

more filters/better searching system

[smoky yoke]

yeah

[lucid root]

i'm generally against auction houses, but if they can make it work so be it

[quaint ivy]

player traded auctions are great.

[smoky yoke]

grinding in the dungeons without using the trade system

probably me

[lucid root]

more because i'm antisocial and inept at bargaining 👀

[smoky yoke]

in the next playtest i think i will play a bit of hours more

but i will also help here 🫡

[opaque shore]

I barely used the Trading Post, only on the last day If all

[smoky yoke]

[rocky oar]

I know what they need. A auction house, player puts their item into the AH and the system will read their item such as what type of item it is, rarity, and what stats are on it. For buyers the AH will have filters IF they want to apply filters and they can apply however many filters they want that obviously make sense such as: you are not gonna have 4 stats on a green item, it's impossible. The filters will be classes, what item, rarity, and the bonus stats (the stats that are always randomized that are white). Example: Wizard, Spellbook, Purple, with Magic Pen and Knowledge (however purple items have 4 bonus stats I think lol, so the other 2 stats will be whatever and it will show me everything with those specific stats at the very least and the other 2 stats will be whatever is listed).

[frosty creek]

maybe they can make real money auction house ? like diablo 3 ?

it was good

[wintry forge]

You could treat your own suggestions like any other suggestions and up vote them because you like them.

[lucid root]

of course i like them i'm biased

[pallid vapor]

Yeah I’m on team wow auction house. I do enjoy live auction house , interacting with players and bargaining is fun and all. But I spent so much time looking for decent items in there when literally everybody was just posting useless shit

[rocky oar]

Ima make the suggestion real quick

[open ermine]

yeah i'd say im in camp AH just cause i used WoW's AH to fund my game time

[pallid vapor]

Either wow auction house, or re vamp the current one with filters that HAVE to be obeyed. A channel for each rarity of item would be best imo

[lucid root]

once you add an auction house all the market nerds start scheming

price fixing lets goooo

when guild wars 2 was about to launch i knew a guy that bought it just because it had an auction house, what kind of sick person?!

its like a game in itself to some people

[open ermine]

true goblin that one, but yeah diving into AH playing can literally be it's own game entirely

[pallid vapor]

I have a friend who made thousands of $ just playing the AH on wow

[opaque shore]

Wouldn't that be in-game gold?

[lucid root]

yes, people paid their rent from selling gold in wow!

[pallid vapor]

Yeah, till it’s not :)

[opaque shore]

I am fairly certain It's against the ToS of the game to monetize in-game items

[frosty creek]

that sounds cool why we dont do it in dnd ?

trade gold for money

[open ermine]

doesn't stop them from doing so

[opaque shore]

That's an awesome idea MrBeanz

[open ermine]

i think i remember at one point people were trading copies of OW

[opaque shore]

Just because people do it, doesn't mean you should too

[pallid vapor]

If someone is dumb enough to buy it, be smart enough to sell it.

[open ermine]

i don't, i personally hate any form of RMT

ruins the spirit of most games

[pallid vapor]

That being said, I hope rmt and the like never plague dark and darker lol

[lucid root]

preparing for the gold and item sellers already

[pallid vapor]

Does eft have that going on?

[lucid root]

trade chat will be really fun then

[open ermine]

i can already visualize all the url links with 5 spaces and random characters between each letter to avoid being autobanned

[lucid root]

"I'm a gold seller in DaD"
meme of rifle round being chambered and fired

[rocky oar]

Your always gonna have that in all games out right

[lucid root]

yeah pretty much

unless they flat out remove trading

[compact dune]

I am personally suggesting the AH, mainly because the trade chats are headache inducing LOL

[open ermine]

Mississippi Queen intensifies

[compact dune]

i just wanna be able to search for something by the stats and affixes, and then just get back into crawling

[rocky oar]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

I forgot to add the fucking- other filters such potions, campfires, bandages, keys, misc.

It be nice to just buy locking picks from other people easily for example

and theirs different tiers of potions and campfires

[smoky yoke]

i think people will always sell stuff with big numbers that honestly is not even worth to buy stuff

personally i was just playing and farming stuff
but probably when the progression will be slower, then it may be a must the trade system

[rocky oar]

It just nice to have them either way cause I guarantee you people would use those filters as well.

[smoky yoke]

yes i agree

[rocky oar]

It be nice to just buy lockpicks from others or ores. Maybe a Blue rarity shield potion or even a campire

It doesn't let me edit the post either cause of the timer

[smoky yoke]

i wish there was also some stuff where you can reroll stats, perhaps some merchant
but even with that, still rng so probably balanced but who knows 🤔

[rocky oar]

I think AH is fine. It makes people want to actually throw their item onto the AH giving more options for people to buy. I know me my buddies weren't picking anyway up that wasn't a blue for the longest time cause we didn't wanna waste our time trying to sell a green on the AH unless it had god stats.

[smoky yoke]

like sometimes it is also possible to find some stats that don't really fit with some classes either

[rocky oar]

Oh and people don't wanna sit in trade trying to sell stuff so their will def be way more items on the AH if it existed