q-and-a

[pine swan]

I think 30-40 is the sweet spot.

That's easily affordable one time, but repeated purchased would build up quick

[slow topaz]

yeah.

and that seems to be the price range for similar games. though tbh I would not be mad if they wanted 45-50. It has a lot of potential. I think by the time the game is at full release it will be even more worth

at present id say its a 20 dollar game. by Early access it will probably be 30 and at launch 40 would not be overpriced

[fluid kestrel]

what is sure now that devs will be rich ^^

[slow topaz]

true. this game is going to explode. I think if the devs can keep up with adding new things to the game as time goes on and the time between wipes is managed well then this game will be a huge hit

[ivory tartan]

is bard confirmed for next playtest?

[fluid kestrel]

tru

[azure veldt]

no bard is not confirmed

[ivory tartan]

I was watching a video about upcoming features for the next playtest and they talked about Bard, quests, and voip. I don't think anything has been confirmed but I wanted to make sure.

[slow topaz]

the devs have said there should be at least the start of the quest system

[sand radish]

I thought bard was pretty likely but yeah not guaranteed. Could have swore I read devs say they intend on it

[mint wasp]

Pretty sure I saw the same vid, I think most of its speculative in the short term - I would be really surprised if VOIP made it in, bards possible tho

[slow topaz]

The devs do want to have bard ready. but they also want to make sure it is fully polished before adding it to the game. so it might not happen

[stable elm]

A bard? Awesome

[sand radish]

It’s guaranteed to be next for sure. I guess not guaranteed for this playtest. Tbh idk how they intend on having the game launch ready by the end of the year with the current rate of content

Nothing wrong at all with them taking their time and doing a great job I just don’t see how it’s doable

[pine swan]

Well I mean, the current rate of content is unnecessary overall. 'Finishing' the game doesn't mean they never add to it again.

[sand radish]

I mean all floors finished and classes added I assume is finished. But yea

[pine swan]

If they fix bugs, didn't add a single class until after release, added more gear weapons and enemy types, map variety, and just polish I think they could release that and just update over time.

I want more classes don't get me wrong

[opaque kernel]

instruments may be in on the 6th if not the bard itself

[pine swan]

But there's a solid selection rn

[slow topaz]

The will probably do all floors but not all classes. they said they have a ton more classes to add. I honestly think it will be good for them to not add all the classes first and let the game continue to have growth after release

[pine swan]

Exactly.

[sand radish]

I mean the things you listed alone don’t seem feasible for end of the year

[pine swan]

I think it is TBH. Maps would be hardest tho.

They're not a big team but they're not tiny either

I think they have 25-30 people?

[slow topaz]

26 atm

[sand radish]

Yeah like 20 I think. The perfect amount imo. Too many hands on deck is not good and too few obviously

[pine swan]

Yeah that's like the perfect range

Manageable, can easily keep everyone on the same page.

But enough manpower to put stuff out at a good rate

[slow topaz]

They definitely wont have procedural generated maps for all 3 floors but I do believe that the three floors will exist, even in limited variation, before full release.

[pine swan]

Yeah I think that's their biggest hurdle

[sand radish]

Are they trying for procedural? Or just variety

[pine swan]

I don't think the last playtest did procedural

Like I could manage my way around after a while

[sand radish]

No last one just had 2 different maps for each floor

Then later they added a third high roller only one which was sick

Idk how I’d feel about procedural maps honestly. Good and bad

Static maps, Good that you can learn the maps and confidently traverse them etc. bad cause just increases the learning curve for new players a lot

[pine swan]

I think map familiarity is a skill in these games

[slow topaz]

The procedural map may happen. It was talked about in the past. I agree that map familiarity is a good skill. but the rooms will stay the same so there will still be a bit of map familiarity even if they switch to procedural

[sand radish]

Yea that’s true. Don’t think I’d be upset either way it’s whatever the devs think would work

[pine swan]

I think procedural is an easier to implement variety than hand crafting enough maps otherwise, but I do prefer consistent layouts personally.

[slow topaz]

the dev team said they had trouble with procedural because of some of the verticality the maps had not letting rooms line up the right way. I think in the end they will want to have some sections always be the same. such as the positioning of major rooms but I think the rooms that connect them will be what is done procedurally.

[pine swan]

That would be a good compromise

[sand radish]

Yeah just using large tiles, I think I watched a video or something with them talking about that

[pine swan]

They could even procedurally generate the shortcuts

So it would change room access and flow by default even if the technical room layout didn't change

[balmy robin]

Changing the actual flow just by generating the corridors would make a big difference

[eager yacht]

Chat GPT where art thou

[thorn dagger]

I think having like a bunch of a major land marks but then a few chunks that can be swapped out will help. Bit of a best of a both worlds.

Map knowledge still will be a good skill but there's still some unpredictability in the parts of the map that can be swapped out

[slow topaz]

agreed. I hope the devs have thought of this already.

[grim furnace]

We are talking about devs who wants us to calculate every monster stats, they 100% think about people who will try to make the map generator not as random as people might believe…

[slow topaz]

true

[karmic basin]

Is there a date for the next playtest?

[slow topaz]

#📢announcements

[slow junco]

Valentines day.

[blazing forge]

Do you gain all the experience even if you die?

[pliant cloud]

No, only 50%

[blazing forge]

what about adventure currency

[pliant cloud]

You're getting it every time when you escape from dungeon

[slow topaz]

only if you get out

[blazing forge]

Does anyone know what gains you how much adventure currency?

[pliant cloud]

Pretty sure frags

[blazing forge]

I see. And you only gain them if you escape

[pliant cloud]

Yes

[slow topaz]

using shrines as well

[blazing forge]

Thanks a lot guys

[umbral spruce]

anyone know if they have plans for the search time for golden key room to be same speed for all classes

[slow topaz]

That's actually a good point. would be interesting to see.

[umbral spruce]

seems pointless for any other class but rogue/ranger

[storm aspen]

idk but they seriously need to buff the floor for interaction speed

you play a cleric or wizard after a rogue or ranger and you know what im talking about

[umbral spruce]

seems balanced imo

[storm aspen]

barb tooo ugh

absolutely horrendous

[slow topaz]

maybe slightly. but the interact speed of classes is a balance thing

[umbral spruce]

gives rogue and ranger way of escaping/kiting fits their classes

[storm aspen]

Lmfao, balance thing.

"Only this class should be able to loot a reasonable speed"

takes 15 seconds to open a damn chest as a wizard ontop of that you spend half the round sitting on your ass meditating or dropping a campfire

time-limited round btw 👍

[umbral spruce]

no point looting chests as wizard or a lot of classes tbh

just loot loose loot/mobs/pots

[storm aspen]

Thats why I play dungeon crawlers

to not loot

[slow topaz]

looting I agree should be faster. but not door interaction

[abstract robin]

lol i never loot as wiz just let my team loot

[storm aspen]

😂

[umbral spruce]

playing wizard i never looted just killed teams and took their loot

[slow topaz]

^

[pseudo rain]

haste increased action speed as a wizard. Not ideal, but it matters for doors and has a side benefit to chests- you will be using it often anyways.

[abstract robin]

you can fireball when you really need an out

[slow topaz]

fireball is also a valid solution to a door

lol

[abstract robin]

or wanna chase

[pseudo rain]

very true, I'm just saying you get very close to rogue action speed with haste up

[abstract robin]

ye dont really want to use that to open chests

pre nice to open doors with it

[pseudo rain]

I don't feel a ton of sympathy for people complaining about wizard weaknesses. Clunky ones I can get behind, but in general they need more weaknesses rather than less. Coming from dozens of wizard games last playtest

[abstract robin]

but with stacked gear you can loot pretty fast

even as wiz

+all is such a busted stat

[umbral spruce]

wizard is balanced IF they add more mr armors

[pseudo rain]

Yeah +all is a problem

[umbral spruce]

only reason wiz was so strong was the lack of mr

[pseudo rain]

Well I would extend that

To wizard was a problem because heavy armor reduced MR, too

[slow topaz]

I think just making +all lower value compared to the other stat bonuses and a slight rarity increase would be good

[pseudo rain]

So wizards ended up being able to kill tanks very quickly

[abstract robin]

higher rarity would prob be fine

make it same but just harder to find. omega hard to find +3 or +4all

[umbral spruce]

wizard vs barb with barb mr perk was hard counter you can't nerf too hard or barb will be unkillable as a wizard

[pseudo rain]

Barb has weaknesses that exist sort of with or without wizard though

[abstract robin]

still beatable with proper build

[pseudo rain]

I mean in the 1v1 I agree, but apparently they don't care much about the 1v1s

[umbral spruce]

yeah but no other class has a rival class that is unkillable

[slow topaz]

agreed. I was able to rock a few +5 alls towards second half of last playtest. crazy shit

[keen saffron]

have the devs mentioned anything about headshot damage ?

[pseudo rain]

Barb will struggle to run down wizards, though. Even if there's a full leather barb

[abstract robin]

cleric can bearly kill any class with high ms

[umbral spruce]

if they nerf wizard too much its not, armored barb with perk took all fireballs direct hit with full god roll gear already

[abstract robin]

i dont think they will nerf too hard

[pseudo rain]

It's a sort of counter? I mean I get what you're saying, the Barb is a wall there.

[umbral spruce]

maybe, but barb can run down a wizard with door bust and wizard only has so many hastes/invis

[abstract robin]

wiz was played the least

[pseudo rain]

But Wizard has absurd mobility and utility. Very hard to do much other than take damage from the wiz

[umbral spruce]

wizard was played most by high skilled players tho imo

[abstract robin]

and they said they are not too concerned* about class balance atm

[slow topaz]

mostly because there were a lot of new players this last playtest who didn't know meta

[pseudo rain]

until wiz runs out of spells, I guess. But what is this 1v1? It has zero context other than wiz and barb in a small room with no doors?

Barb should win that pretty hard even without a wiz nerf

[abstract robin]

i mean barb should not be able to catch wiz

[pseudo rain]

add in the context of the game, other players, maybe teammates, and wiz is still nuts even if Barb can wall them

True, Barb has to wear gear while wiz does not, even if both unequip weps

[umbral spruce]

yeah if they don't change anything on wiz i will be doing 1 normal lobby then perma rolling people in highrolls after i get gold for entry

[abstract robin]

nah i think they will nerf him

just not too hard

[pseudo rain]

Well there are also talent trees

[abstract robin]

his damage isnt really an issue

[pseudo rain]

the game is about to be a lot different

[umbral spruce]

is that confirmed

[abstract robin]

haste + invis is the main problem

[umbral spruce]

i know someone said something about quests

[abstract robin]

zap as well i guess

[pseudo rain]

At some point - dunno when. But talent trees, quests, other classes, etc are all confirmed

We saw a preview of the talent trees inside the last playtest

Just not accessible

[slow topaz]

No tallent trees yet. but quest will be added

[pseudo rain]

Is it confirmed trees aren't going live with next test?

[abstract robin]

nothing is confirmed

[umbral spruce]

idk i loved rogue but he just didn't feel viable outside of rolling bad players and playing like rat, wizard felt better than any class and capable of 1v3

[abstract robin]

we have no idea whats happening next pt

[pseudo rain]

Some variant of quests are confirmed kokkor

[abstract robin]

we just know barb aint coming

[pseudo rain]

They said that recently-ish iirc

[abstract robin]

wait really

[slow topaz]

its what I remember the devs saying

[pseudo rain]

Yeah, an incomplete version of quests is what they said

[umbral spruce]

im down with that

[slow topaz]

^

[abstract robin]

can you link me the message

[pseudo rain]

I read through a lot of content for this game

was either twitter or in a comment here

[abstract robin]

not twitter

prob comment in here then

[umbral spruce]

hope quests have good reward

[slow topaz]

me too

[umbral spruce]

pray for bigger stash for killing inferno bosses

[abstract robin]

i thought that quests would be merchant based

and level up merchants

am i wrong on this?

[pseudo rain]

Quests are merchant based, yeah. Might be some leveling up. Might be some ruby powder or w/e.

We don't know

[slow topaz]

also was anyone else finding pendants wayyyyy more often than rings last playtest? I had like 10 pendants but only 4 rings at the end of the week

[abstract robin]

think everyone did

[pseudo rain]

I was finding both

[abstract robin]

i spent way too much time in trade chat

[pseudo rain]

Especially once they released the goblin guy

[umbral spruce]

if you get better shop refreshes with leveled merchants that would be so nutty

[pseudo rain]

I never needed to buy from him. Players gifted me their jewelry

[abstract robin]

and on days when there was no goblin merchant rings were rarely seen and going for 300-400

[slow topaz]

hoping that they fix trade chat 🙏

[umbral spruce]

bats = pendant vending machine

[slow topaz]

ikr I think that was why

[abstract robin]

same its kinda fun and chaotic, but also way too much right now

so much spam

[umbral spruce]

just addding filters would make the economy so crazy

people would learn the prices of things faster

[abstract robin]

sick and tired of 1 guy selling the most useless purple for 600g and spamming his message in trade chat

[umbral spruce]

instead of seeing people selling the same thing for like 400g gap in prices

[slow topaz]

yeah. prices too where all over the place. id see two identical items being sold by two dif people, one for 200g and the other for something like 5-6 hundred g

[abstract robin]

candy was also a bit too high ngl

actually ruby was more overpriced

[slow topaz]

It was cool to be able to snipe low prices. but seeing a good item with no listed price and then the mf asks for 600g for the most dog water rolls on a blue item was annoying.

[abstract robin]

respect to those who bought it

[slow topaz]

fr. I made bank off of ruby buyers

[abstract robin]

ik bro

or just seeing an okay item

thinking this guy must be selling for 200g

[slow topaz]

candy when it was 20 per was okay..

[abstract robin]

25 for the most part

i was snatching 20 and selling for 30

[slow topaz]

and then he asks for 500 on a blue with two percentile bonuses in nonrelated stats lmao

[abstract robin]

+1 physical healing

[slow topaz]

same XD

[abstract robin]

[slow topaz]

.5% cast speed on a longbow

Ive also seen the flip side there when selling blues or greens that have crazy stats. I tried to sell a blue orb with +3 magic damage and +4 Knowledge and some other decent stat for like 550g and the mf said I was crazy lmao. some people just buy for the rarity ll

[abstract robin]

idk not too crazy stat for orb

i dont like knowledge for wiz

[slow topaz]

? You need it for spell capacity

[abstract robin]

i always had extra

+all

[slow topaz]

+all is crazy

[abstract robin]

yup

i prob bought better orbs for half that price

+all on orb or book is crazy

or dagger

• all is just crazy

[pseudo rain]

How much wis do you actually need to run the standard 5 spell wiz?

Chain Lightning takes a lot but

I think the perk even gets you to 5 spell

[abstract robin]

you dont go chain

[pseudo rain]

You can go chain, but it's not the standard 5 spell

zap is

[slow topaz]

knowledge is the stat for spell capacity

[pseudo rain]

chain is squad v squad

[pseudo rain]

Mb, meant knowledge

[abstract robin]

ignite, zap, haste, invis, magic missle>fireball

4 pre much mandatory

magic and fireball interchangable / prefrencce

[pseudo rain]

haste, invis, mm, fireball, ignite / zap was what I thought it was

[abstract robin]

idk you always run zap

its op

i also really like ign

better to ditch fireball to have both of those

[pseudo rain]

they both are great, but I think mm + fireball was core damage

[abstract robin]

zap does way more

[pseudo rain]

zap was guaranteed 30 damage iirc

fireball was 55 on torso?

[abstract robin]

it scale very hard

[pseudo rain]

they all scaled the same I think

[abstract robin]

i heared it was slightly different because it was dot

could be incorrect

[pseudo rain]

Idk, mage had like 7 amazing spells

[abstract robin]

zap is hitscan anyways

[pseudo rain]

so you just swap around based on what you needed

was it? It never felt hit scan to me

Just had a wonky animation that didn't really matter, only cursor felt like it mattered to me

[abstract robin]

idk if its exactly hitscan ngl

i feel like it pretty much is but may be wrong

was very easy to land

[abstract robin]

honestly maybe you are correct leave ignite and keep fire/mm

[pseudo rain]

That was what I understood was the generic build for wiz

then they would swap out like... I think fireball?

For chain

if you were in a HR lobby with a full squad

[abstract robin]

chain is so deadly though

[pseudo rain]

so you had an advantage potentially over other squads

[abstract robin]

i only ever ran it if i had barb

[pseudo rain]

Yeah it's just for the 3v3

or if you're mega geared and solo

[abstract robin]

man killed my own ranger few times with it

[pseudo rain]

you can run the kill build with no meditation

where you cast a chain -> insta cast another chain

[abstract robin]

we both lost so much loot 😭

nah best is barb with mr perk and he runs into team of 3

[pseudo rain]

I think the kill build is more about dagger though

[abstract robin]

while you give him haste and then just cast chain on him

[pseudo rain]

I can see that, but it only bounces twice

initial + 2 bounces

if you can hit an enemy with it you're maxing damage out

+1 enemy target, -1 ally target

[abstract robin]

true but its more about how you cant dodge this

idk didnt play around with it too much

dagger build was where it was at

[pseudo rain]

Yeah I can see that

[slow topaz]

ignite went crazy especially if you got a rondel with +magic dam
I found so many on my rogue and made bank off of them since they were useless for that character

[abstract robin]

they were going for so cheap because much more rogues than wiz during playtest

could always find a good dagger for less than 200

[slow topaz]

Yeah. I played a lot of non casters last playtest. gonna go more into cleric this time. already got my role changed lol

[nimble tree]

obligatory lazy when is next playtest question?

[slow topaz]

[quaint solstice]

Next month.

[lost jetty]

CL is high risk high reward and extremely hard to use in a party while fb is the safer option (also great for breaking pots)
imo the best all rounder is mm-fireball-invi-haste-zap , if you're rich enough (20 points) you can replace zap for CL

[untold drift]

Zap can be replace with burning weapon buff (forget the name), and you can do great buff chain for any melee teammate for invisible fast push with extra dmg, zap isnt necessary in this build imho.

[lost jetty]

zap is also used for one shotting mosquitoes, flying skulls, and to some extent spiders but they're also great for pvp when you don't want a teammate to get friendly fired from fb or picking off low hp enemies.
I've tried ignite as a replacement for zap but since the damage scales with the targets stats not yours, its usually much easier to just help with actual dps by using zap.

if they want dps buffs ask it from a cleric, i am the dps

[untold drift]

Zap do not one shoot crap like mosquitoes in high roller, maybe only with great magic damage buffs. You can use mostly missles for mobs, but do more meditation. Ignite also do more than 5 additional dmg, cuz he sets fire just for a moment.

[grim furnace]

Well just ignite urself and play dagger wizard

[lost jetty]

after they fixed ignite, just going spellbook wiz is much more consistent than trying to play budget rouge, you do more dmg by insta casting mm at melee range with 30% cast speed like a gatling gun anyway compared to going shanky shanky

i say cast speed because it also affects how fast the missiles go out

[grim furnace]

Well if I’m right even after ignite balance Apollo still went full damage / will and played roguezard

[untold drift]

that is just different playstyles, wizard like melee shooter with mm much risker than buffer. You can do both if you just replaced zap with ignite

[quartz bear]

To everything including friendlies, yes.

[burnt badger]

I saw 5 people grouped up , I went zap then I saw 5 dead bodies

[quartz bear]

Chain lightning only hits 4 people

[burnt badger]

Yea my friend fireballed himself and then blamed me 👍🏾

Once that happened I was like “ chain lighting hits everyone or is there a number?” No one knew

So ty for informing me

[quartz bear]

This literally made no sense as a response to what I said.

[burnt badger]

You said “ chain is deadly including to friendlies , I told you me and my friends that I killed all 5 , you told me that it only hits 4, I told u my friend blamed me that it hit him so we thought there was no amount to how many it it’s

It all makes sense

[quartz bear]

It could have still hit him. jsut because it only hits 4 things doesnt mean it makes friendlies the lowest priority.

Also you clearly started talking about fireballs which have nothing to do with taking blame for lightning strike damage.

[jolly wedge]

hi, what is date of next playtest

[grim furnace]

During next steam fest (6th to 13th)

Check #📢announcements

[thin tulip]

I hope we'll see the Bard in the next test

Tired of being a drunken cleric. I need to sing!!!

[grim furnace]

Devs said that it’s a lot of work so prob not in the next playtest but let’s hope …

[thin tulip]

That's sad, probably won't touch the next test then.

[quartz bear]

Bruh if you are only here for the bard. How did you even get here in the first place?

[thin tulip]

GPS

[quartz bear]

Your GPS is broken then. No bards here.

[thin tulip]

Nah. I made it here, there store is just 86 what I came to order

[cyan isle]

you can be a bard in mordehau @thin tulip

knock yourself out til then lol

[thin tulip]

I'll just sing to myself while I fight it out in MO2

[umbral spruce]

you forget ignite gets all its charges back in one meditate, far more worth than mm and more reliable

if you want ranged running ignite wizard just grab zap and fireball

[fierce totem]

are there public api?

[eager yacht]

Not that I'm aware of.

[ancient bone]

When is the next playtest and how would I join?!?!

Ouu okay I see, they are planning the next playtest during Nextfest

[eager yacht]

Applications for Steam Nextfest Closed November 3rd
Devs said that they would like to do a PT during Steam Nextfest
Part of the EULA for having your game on Steam says "You can't promise anything you can't actually deliver"
Because the devs would use Next Fest as a platform to advertise their game, they can't confirm an actual date since they themselves don't run Steam Nextfest.

Check back on or near Feb 5th at 10PM PST and the next day at 10AM PST when or if Nextfest even opens up. This is my safest assumption: Sources: Steam documentation and QNA with devs

[pure canopy]

Do you eat the cork in the potion animation?

[lusty cloud]

i remember the potion being open

yea it disappears when you drink it

but the corks on in ur hands

[crisp sequoia]

whats the hp of the classes?

[slow topaz]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Classes

[toxic light]

how long is the playtest?

[slow topaz]

Most likely will run for one week

[toxic light]

heard about 1 month?

[grim furnace]

Who said that? Report him for miss leading people tbh, it's annoying to have these type of guy 😦

[frosty sandal]

The play test will be Feb 6-13 sadly not a month

[austere thistle]

so short TT_TT pain

[dim otter]

1 weak...

[austere thistle]

tbh its for the best, if it was longer my semester would be obliterated LOL

[toxic light]

u good bro? im asking

holy

[slow topaz]

all the others have been around that same lenght

[toxic light]

get a life

[slow topaz]

he wasn't saying to report you, he was talking about the guy that was saying playtest would last a month

[dim otter]

ye fuck that guy

[grim furnace]

Eh just let him, i dont really care lmao

[ripe fox]

I believe it was 17 knowledge for five great spells I would run fireball, magic missile (the bread and butter), ignite or zap, haste, and invis. Buy +2 knowledge gloves, pants, or frocks in bulk from merchant so you can always take your main spells. Of course taking the knowledge perk (sage?)

[pseudo rain]

With the knowledge perk, you get that build anyways

You don't need to run knowledge on items

[ripe fox]

Yes you do

In the last playtest as far as I could tell.

Unless the perk didn't apply in stash?

Why are you asking if you already know? Lol

[slow topaz]

Knowledge effects casting speed to my knowledge

[prime venture]

Be polite and respectful please, don't use those idioms.

[mellow scaffold]

ur in the wrong place man

[prime venture]

Let's be polite each other please 🙏

[burnt badger]

you're my friend now 🎶

[ripe fox]

Yeah I believe that's right too. Willpower effects buff times and magic power as far as I know.

[little venture]

Any word on if bard is going to be in the next playtest?

[slow topaz]

It should be

[swift frigate]

I’m pretty sure they said it won’t be.

[abstract robin]

"A: Bard is the next target. However it will probably be too hard to include them in the next playtest. The instrument should be fun for the bard and everyone else." -ironmace, latest dev qna

[slow topaz]

I was lied to. lmao. I saw a yt vid recapping the info recently and they said it was going to be added bruh. I even checked the comments and no one said anything, not even the other content creators. rip me

[true crescent]

Is anything known about the next playtest aside from the date and time? Like what changes will we see since last time ect?

[slow topaz]

There will be the start of the quest system. that's all I feel confident saying now lmao

[true crescent]

Thanks

[slow topaz]

np

[idle lily]

We don't really have a confirmed date and time either. They just said they want to do nextfest. Could start alongside nextfest, could be in the middle of it, etc

[true crescent]

Yeah of course. But unless that info has been put out already I'm fine with a general timeframe. I don't even care that much if they have to push it back as long as I get another timeframe so I can give myself a reminder to check back in roughly that amount of time.

[pseudo rain]

I didn't remember the exact about of knowledge needed, but I did remember that the perk gave you the spells while in default gear

[grim furnace]

#the-tavern message

We now have the confirmation

[prisma marsh]

What's the new merchant is it cupid :)?

[grim furnace]

would make sens lmao

[quartz bear]

A dark and gritty version. Might be named something like "Babyface "the angel""...."Mess with me and you mess with my baby brothers and sisters, now get them some candy before I bind you to a mimic with this here heart tip!"

"That there love and lover over yonder just got a whole lot dark and darker"

Draws bow

[jade horizon]

do mobs have no armor i.e. they take the same amount of damage the training dummy takes?

[rugged verge]

Is there any dark and darker merch?

[desert igloo]

Not sure there is any way to tell, other than the skeleton champion and the wraith having some amount of magical/ranged damage resistance

[sick lotus]

Thank you, now i can study even more about this game. I feel like im sooo prepared for the next playtest, even tho i have never played it yet lol but im super excited. Ive studied pretty much each class, floor, tips for combat/exploration, etc.

We even have a full squad who is gonan try this game out. My plan so far is that we go caster/melee fighter/stealthy guy lol So i was thinking cleric/fighter/ranger or rogue lol

I just cant wait anymore to play this game 😭

[grim furnace]

There is no way to know it because we need to discover the stats of every mob! But it would be fun to try the same spell / weapon on each mob then on dummies to see

[quartz bear]

For a beginning party definentily swap the rogue for a ranger. Having a rogue in the party isnt really good until they know how to at least 1v1 someone without ditching the party to hide in a corner for half the game.

[summer plover]

Do you benefit from bonus stats on weapon in second weapon slot even when not currently wielding it?

[quartz bear]

No. You benefit from having two weapons or one weapon and a shield both on either hand but you do not benefit from weapons on the second weapon tab.

[sick lotus]

Okay, thank you. Thats a good tip to know. I was definitely going for ranger bc of the range but i was considering rogue too.

[sick lotus]

Anymore tips that you have, you can always pm me or msg in here cuz im hungry for the tips

[somber frigate]

dont die

[quartz bear]

I play as a cleric most of the time and in beginning parties having a ranger in the backlines makes things a lot easier to manage since your casting easily hits them with buffs and heals, but if you have a noob rogue in the game they will try rushing the enemies and with their tiny HP pool but very high mobility they start taking major damage real fast and they are too nimble for you to properly aim your spells at them.

[quartz bear]

The only rogue I trioed with that I felt genuinely pulled their weight was a veteran that could PvP people and usually kill them before I needed to heal them. And they used their nimbleness to not ever get hit, hence no damage to need healing for.

[quartz bear]

Just know that regardless of what classes you do pick, you will most likely die in your first 10 games but just having 3 people together is enough to give you a decent advantage over most encounters once you actually know what you are doing. If someone in your group really wants to play rogue, then either play each game just for the sake of leveling up the rogue and getting them accustomed to PvP, or have them play something else and then solo as that class in the meantime to gain XP.

Or just meme around and play as 3 rogues so you all can learn from eachother faster.

3 rogues is super hard to play as but its also very scary for other players to see, deadly too if you know what you are doing.

[thorn wren]

When will the play test come back again?

[quartz bear]

Feb 6-13

[thorn wren]

i am very happy about that

[sick lotus]

Yeah, thanks for letting me know. Our cleric will be a girl and depending on the game, she sometimes struggles with playing competetively so its really important that were careful of her skills haha but i totally understand where youre coming from. Rogues are hard to play with/as sometimes. If anything i was planning to have them as backup/ambush. Where basically me and clerics fight, lure them back and if they follow us to kill us hes hiding there in plain sight waiting to stab from behind.

[quartz bear]

Well you shouldn't be, imagine the pain once more when you have to wait another 2 months to play after that.

[quartz bear]

Just a heads up, if you guys dont hold still when she says she is casting healing or buffing spells it will get really stressful really quick.

[thorn wren]

yeaah but i will wait it is wondefull game

what will the price of the game be?

[quartz bear]

No one knows. I don't think even the devs know. They just said they will look into it.

[thorn wren]

🥹i hope it is not expensive

[sick lotus]

Thats the thing tho that excites me so much. Theres the steep learning curve and the message that 90% or something die to their first encounters. And i REALLY wanna avoid that. Its obviously not realistic and very challenging but thats the challenge that ive set for myself. To try and get us through, even if we have minimal loot in the first run.

[quartz bear]

I watched videos before I got into the game and by some miracle didn't die to the first skeleton I fought. But I did die to the second one LOL.

[thorn wren]

ok good

I will buy it at any cost

[sick lotus]

hhaha yeah, thats also another cool thing. The fact that the NPC's , while still being very rudimentary, are nevertheless a very big threat. That makes it feel like a real deadly dungeon.

[quartz bear]

Its not just the NPCs....there are traps everywhere dude.

[sick lotus]

Same tbh. I will go as far as 40€ but im so sad bc i KNOW my teammates wont buy it for that price probably. Weve all had less and less time to play

[jade magnet]

@sick lotus well in the first playtest many people didn't know about how much damage those skeleton could done me like a lot of people just push those bastard with no thinking and... Well you know the rest

[sick lotus]

Yeah, exactly! And secret ways and stuff. The hidden traps (spikes in walls) are the ones that terrify me the most, bc i already know that theyll get us haha

[sick lotus]

Yeah

[quartz bear]

For beginners its super hard to spot. But once you die to them like 15 times you start remembering what all the rooms they are located in look like and so you watch out for their tiny sprites (circles) in the walls.

[sick lotus]

Yeah, i think theyre also shown on the maps?

[quartz bear]

Yes but its intentionally misleading. Like in the maze map it shows two of them but it fails to tell you that there are two on each side and then two more another wall down.

[sick lotus]

Oh damn, ok? I did realise that i didnt understand their positions from the map alone tbh

Spotting them in quick vids of people is hard but ive watched a full stream of cohhcarnage and i kinda got that learning experience with him aswell, even tho i usually never watch streams but his stream about dark and darker is just way too fun.

[quartz bear]

Keep in mind that the game might change a bit for this playtest. When I played playtest #3 I watched a lot of videos of the game during its playtest #2 phase and the game changed so much that I had to approach it completely differently. Like the drunken cleric build with judgement got nerfed, wizard got mega buffed and were then very tempting to play, and the B3 layer got so much more insanely difficult especially with the addition of the demon centaur. Also the idea of crafting items with rubysilver was a new and interesting thing that I had to try so that stalled me a lot.

[sick lotus]

True + they plan on now adding quests and i think maybe the talents system? I might be totally wrong but i remember that quests+talents system was very sure to be implemented in this next playtest. So, it might once again totally change things. Its so amazing how much they do in such a quick time tbh

Oh and yeah, im totally terrified of b3

Im gonna tell my mates, that they can go in alone if they want haha but im staying out of it until im somewhat better geared. Thats when im gonna go inferno and then maybe high roller

[paper hatch]

Community, Do you see a battle pass type of feature in the future or no. Just wondering if people want it or not as a concept

[prime venture]

I don't see it for this kind of game.

[thin totem]

I believe a "battle pass" is a good thing. It's like an opt-in subscription that usually has a free element to it where you can benefit without paying. Assuming it is handled correctly for this game, I don't see a downside. I think the real question isn't if it will be a feature, but how would this feature be implemented in this game

[desert flax]

I hope if they make a real money cosmetic shop, they also keep the adventurer point system with exclusive items only available there.

[quartz bear]

100 dollar adventure point packs wont be a thing but dang would they sell so fast the servers would crash.

[desert flax]

i just love the old school nature of cosmetics indicating a player has experience. reminds me of the old school halo days

[thin totem]

For example the regular skeleton could be bought with real money or in-game currency, but the elite skeleton would only be bought with in-game currency?

[primal canopy]

Why would I play for content I’ve already purchased though. People think a battle pass is the pinnacle of monetization practices and it’s not the greatest for the consumer. If you’re not willing to sink hundreds of more hours grinding, you’re missing out on content you’ve already bought.

It’s certainly great for developers.

Fortnite has proved the sheer value of it.

[desert flax]

Exactly! Cosmetics are more fun when you see someone and you’re like OH SHIT they are good. Not just ‘oh they paid for that’

[storm nova]

because the average gamer is an idiot

[hollow wraith]

I mean my main issue is triple A games including it, as its definitely not nessecary in that instance

[prime venture]

battle pass often includes fear of missing out in the gaming industry

[quartz bear]

Im almost positive a "battle pass" doesn't fit the devs current philosophy on game creation.

[prime venture]

me too.
But I was talking in general in the modern gaming industry.
that's why in this game there won't be things like battle passes, It would be against the philosophy and goals of the company.
at least this, in my vision.

[ripe plume]

Not If they don't contain limited exclusives

[prime venture]

mmh true, like in the DRG one

where, once a season is finished, items won't disappear but they will be still available for everyone to obtain later

[thin totem]

You could say that about any game with progression, levels, unlocks. Why not just start at level 20 with all perks unlocked etc. And fomo is for lames but to address that you could just have a system in place where you can progress old content ie. older/previous seasons battle passes

[primal canopy]

I paid for gameplay by buying the base game, with whatever was included. When I buy cosmetic/s I don’t expect it to be locked behind several hundred hours of play.

[thin totem]

Triple A games businesses. Money. Capitalism.

[primal canopy]

Businesses can be profitable and ethical.

Also, timed fomo is one of those unhealthy things.

Was super into hunt showdown, bought into the battlepass because I’m into the game, want to support it, I wanted the new guns early etc. But, I got burnt out after hundreds of hours I need a break, now because I don’t play I miss out on content I’ve already paid for.

And that’s just a happening, could be because somebody got sick, lost internet, time issue, personal choice etc.

[thin totem]

Pay money to skip the grind. Pay money to get specific items.

What does a battlepass that has no grind and no paid content look like? That looks like 0 profits

[primal canopy]

So I’m paying money for locked items, and then if I don’t play, I’m required to buy tiers for items I already purchased?

[primal canopy]

Why would I play for content I’ve already purchased though. People think a battle pass is the pinnacle of monetization practices and it’s not the greatest for the consumer. If you’re not willing to sink hundreds of more hours grinding, you’re missing out on content you’ve already bought.

[thin totem]

The fomo part of it is indeed scummy, that's up to the devs/etc to sort that out

[primal canopy]

I don’t like battle passes, people; the consumers think they’re the statues quo for content they want in the game.

[thin totem]

Dont buy it. Forehead

[primal canopy]

I’m discussing other options and explaining why it’s predatory, and not the monetization system the consumer should want. Forehead

[thin totem]

It's not predatory, innately. And I think you are overlooking that

[primal canopy]

Just because fortnite popularized it, doesn’t mean every game should mimic it because profit.

To unlock the content I paid for, I’m required to play your game more.

It is a required time sink.

Instead of just receiving the content.

More players, more traction, more draw.

[thin totem]

I bought a game and to enjoy it i have to play it. Why cant i just download it like the matrix and already have knowledge of playing it

[primal canopy]

You’re comparing gameplay to cosmetic for some reason.

[thin totem]

I know what you are getting at but you are explaining it in an odd way

[primal canopy]

Now, twice.

I don’t think so, I’ve given you anecdotes, I’ve explained why it’s not the monetization consumers should want, I’ve talked about the popularization.

[thin totem]

Im not assuming the battlepass is cosmetics

[primal canopy]

I don’t know what else you want….

What else would be in a battlepass?!? What kind of whack games are you buying.

[thin totem]

Im not comparing my argument to any game in particular. If you want to discuss based off of Fortnite i wouldnt know. Havent played that

Im discussing what a battlepass would be in this game, what would it look like, how would it function

[primal canopy]

I sure hope you’re not suggestion that items and gold would be in a battlepass where the loop is loot risk.

[thin totem]

Battlepass is just a buzz word to give the conversation a direction

[primal canopy]

Battlepass is a form of monetization that was popularized by fortnite, apex, and games alike. It’s a tangible thing, it’s not a buzz word.

[thin totem]

I see it, in its basic form. An opt-in subscription

Thats what a battlepass used to be called. A subscription

[primal canopy]

Can you give me an example.

Where the term battlepass was associated or even loosely tied to opt in subscriptions.

[thin totem]

It's not a 1-to-1 thing. It's just another tool to profit off a game

It's more of an evolution of marketing a game

[primal canopy]

You just said a battlepass in its basic form is an opt in subscription.

I don’t think that’s remotely; in any sense of the word related or similar.

[prime venture]

the subscription that forces you to opt in otherwise you miss the items 😄

[thin totem]

Okay i'm not trying to convince you. The conversation is one directional because i believe you are not understanding me

[primal canopy]

Yeah, my understanding is the same about you. I don’t think we’re getting anywhere.

[scarlet crag]

where do i go to sign up for the next playtest?

[thin totem]

I believe you are hung up on the fomo part aswell as actually having to do something beyond just paying for a cosmetic, in this case.

[primal canopy]

There’s no signups.

[thin totem]

Wait for it on steam, no sign up required

[primal canopy]

You just download it.

[scarlet crag]

oh ok thanks

[prime venture]

correct, just by requesting access which is open for everyone automatically
in the steam store page of the game

[primal canopy]

Yes I believe making people play for content they’ve already bought isn’t a healthy thing. It forces people to play the game, which provides the game player numbers, and traction, and causes this cycle to repeat, because of fomo.

If I buy a cosmetic I can pick up, or drop the game when I want.

[primal canopy]

^

[thin totem]

Take out the fomo part. And look at it like dlc. Still unhealthy?

[jade magnet]

what fomo means ?

[primal canopy]

No but fomo is innately battlepass.

[thin totem]

Fear of missing out

[prime venture]

fear of missing out

[primal canopy]

That’s why I asked you to name systems where it didn’t exist.

And games that utilized it.

[jade magnet]

kk ty i keep watch the debate it's interesting and... healthy 😅

[primal canopy]

Keep in mind this debate is founded on the argument that a battle pass is a good thing.

I fundamentally disagree.

[thin totem]

I'm not trying to compare it to something. I'm discussing what a Dark and Darker one would be

[thin totem]

Player numbers, traction. Not a good thing?

[primal canopy]

You’re thinking that if DnD added a battlepass it’s going to break the mold by not having fomo, yet can’t speculate that it’s not only cosmetics; and might contain loot or gold?

[primal canopy]

Not through forced interaction no, this causes burn out.

For the sake of capital.

[prime venture]

it's merely strategy imo when you refer to free elements, there's a lot more about it usually.
By the way let's keep this channel for questions and answers about the game please 🙏

[primal canopy]

I’m being forced to play for things I’ve already purchased.

Play.

I don’t have the ability to drop the game if I want said content.

[prime venture]

can you res a teammate with the cleric's spell if they don't have a soul heart?

[primal canopy]

You cannot.

[prime venture]

oh, ok
thank you

[primal canopy]

The heart needs to be inside the player.

Yeah no worries.

[prime venture]

makes sense obviously

it was one of my doubt, but yea makes sense

[primal canopy]

I also realized this is the QnA channel btw. Sorry about the text.

[graceful barn]

Is there any kind of patch notes for the forthcoming playtest?

[prime venture]

also I didn't know it was actually possible to take away soul hearts of enemies
but it seems possible (?)

by killing the entire team

[primal canopy]

Not possible to my knowledge.

Might cause some weird meta gaming.

[thin totem]

Of enemies, no

[prime venture]

No, but probably when the playtest #4 will be live, there will be. I'd guess

[graceful barn]

ty ❤️

[primal canopy]

I think we’re supposed to be getting my an announcement soon?

What it entails I have no idea.

[prime venture]

some people told me that It is possible, as long the entire team is defeated
if it is not, then you cannot

[primal canopy]

Probably play test dates.

[prime venture]

I may double check next time

[slow topaz]

Yeah I tried. does not work. but could be a cool thing in the future that the devs could add. like dog tags in tarkov. could be sold to a vendor

[primal canopy]

Once they’re all dead, then yeah.

[thin totem]

Sounds like a bug. Never worked for me

[prime venture]

because if it is a thing at least it makes you aware if a team is fully defeated or not
but usually people always stick together

a hidden mechanic to counter potential rogues around maybe

[prime venture]

could be probably

[grim furnace]

We already know the playtest dates it’s 6 to 13 (confirmed)

[primal canopy]

Link?

If it’s the vague, around steamfest info I already known.

[grim furnace]

#the-tavern message

[raw nova]

~ vs -

~ means approximately

[grim furnace]

No

It means he didn’t know the exact hours

[primal canopy]

I mean shit 3-4am my time. In general chat, no wonder I didn’t know. Thank you.

[grim furnace]

Nah it’s good dw, have a great day

And let’s not forget they might add few more days

[jade horizon]

does wisdom or knowledge increase healing amout?

[empty plinth]

Will

Will, Magicial Power, and having Magical Healing to boost Healing Recieved

[grim furnace]

Yeah WIll / Magic Healing

[empty plinth]

Will increases Magical Power

So it ends up increasing Spell Pontency

[jade horizon]

does the increase buff duration you gain from will only increase for buffs casted on you or does it apply to buffs you cast on other people

[slow topaz]

it applies to others as well

[jade horizon]

oh cool

[final shore]

can anyone confirm that spiders give no exp cuz the wiki says they give zero exp for killing them

[unique shard]

Seeing as they keep spawning constantly then I suspect thats why they are worth nothing. Otherwise folks would just let them keep spawning.....

[slow topaz]

You get the xp for breaking the spawner pot

[thorn jacinth]

Do we know if darker and darker is going to be free or how much it will cost

[slow topaz]

full release wont be free. not known what the price is but most people are predicting in the 30-40 USD range. Devs haven't decided yet

[trail lichen]

Do we know when the next playtest is?

[slow topaz]

most likely the 6th to the 13th of February

[trail lichen]

Thanks bud

[slow topaz]

np

[ripe plume]

Kenneth MVP of #q-and-a

[steel peak]

59.99

[ripe plume]

I keep coming back here to try and answer some questions but Kenneth almost always before me 😭

True adventurer right there

[slow topaz]

😂

I'm just bored waiting for next playtest lol

[ripe plume]

I said it before and I'll say it again: I appreciate it

[slow topaz]

happy to help

[prime venture]

approved

[burnt jungle]

@muted onyx - Will we get a pre-broadcast announcement or something at NextFest outlining whats in PT4? And will we get developers notes and comments about the state of the game in PT3 and what you wanted to change and test?

[slow topaz]

Dont ping the devs bruh.

I'm sure they will tell us what is in the next playtest before it launches. Wouldn't make sense not too.

[slow topaz]

also read the Dev QnA in #dev-qna-archives if you want info

[prime venture]

Please refrain from pinging developers unless it is an urgent situation, during a specific event such as dev Q&A.
It is against the rules, unless some circumstances. There would be probably new Dev Q&A events in future, stay tuned.
There are a lot of info in #dev-qna-archives already, as mentioned before.
If you missed some info, you can check the Dev Q&A Recap by Calamity in #dev-qna-archives

[shrewd siren]

Question. Aside from the goblins as hinted by the goblin merchant, what other races are there in the world of Dark & Darker?

[slow topaz]

they plan for most of the typical fantasy races. elves dwarves, things like that. not going to say too much since nothing is confirmed yet

[feral nebula]

When is the next playtest, because there is no info in this discord announcements AND some google results say Feb 6, some say Feb 3???

[slow topaz]

Some people seem to think its the 3rd because the last few playtests also stated on a friday. but the 6th is still the most likely date.

as that is the time the Steam Next Fest starts

[feral nebula]

So, you have no stature with the company to back up these claims?

[slow topaz]

#📢announcements says it will take place during the next fest. steam next fest is the 6th to the 13th

sdf (one of the devs) has also said the 6th to the 13th is the most likely date

[prime venture]

there is also a recent pinned message in #the-tavern

[frigid prism]

is there any plans for a pve without pvp?

[slow topaz]

most likely not but there was mention of a training room in either the #dev-qna-archives or one of the dev interviews that happened after last playtest

[ebon loom]

When game release?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732647148767936585/899747625610412112/dumpy899747418344673320.gif

[slow topaz]

quarter 4 of this year if things go to plan. no exact date yet

[ebon loom]

🥺

[slow topaz]

early access will be in april as far as we know based of of what the devs have said

[ebon loom]

Nicee

[slow topaz]

next playtest is 6th to 13th of February (most likely, may change by a few days if things go wrong)

[vagrant pumice]

Any new classes for this upcoming play test?

[rancid bridge]

it's possible bard is rdy but they said unlikely.

[fleet knot]

For early access in April, what would the estimated price point be?

[frosty sandal]

no information on price has been given yet do to, to many unknow factors.

[shrewd siren]

Alright just like in old school rpgs.

[sharp rover]

i hope theres payment options so i can drop a phat stack on these homies

[shrewd siren]

I'm still hoping for those beast reskins for classes but that is just me pushing for an unrealistic outcome

[sharp rover]

i'm just hoping for something like tarkovs hideout, and stash upgrades. to add more flavour.
i don't want no Gamma pouch, but i do want some stash size ups lol

[shrewd siren]

I am gonna vouch for that.

[cyan gulch]

I don’t think reskins for classes are too out of the picture, that’s just a cosmetic that’ll probably be added after full release. I wonder what the devs think of micro transactions or if they’ve been touched on yet

Stash size ups were also I think partially confirmed in the Q&A, devs were highly interested in the ability to upgrade em

[proven lagoon]

Hello, i wanted to ask that the "Demo" button on steam Dark and Darker page is going to appear before the release? i have kinda slow internet and it might be a problem for me to download it during the playtest

@timber mist

[modern juniper]

"We plan to open the demo a little early to ensure we get any issues resolved before the official start of the Next Fest" How much earlier ?

[storm nova]

next fest starts at 10 am

Starts: Monday, February 6th, 2023 @ 10am PST (UTC-8)

Will there be Devs playing this playtest?

[proven lagoon]

That's what i wanted to learn buddy, so i can start download it exact that time

[empty anvil]

How long will the demo last?

[grim furnace]

One week

[vague shale]

the early acces is in april ?

[grim furnace]

Yep its planned for April, but let's wait for the confirmation

[vague shale]

new map is planed for the next playtest ?

[empty anvil]

Ty

[grim furnace]

We know nothing about what features will be added sadly, so let's just wait and see this in few days!

[storm garnet]

Q: when the next play test in February comes out will I be able to update the old play test and jump in quicker or should I just delete my old play test file on my steam library as it won’t have anything to do with the new one?

[grim furnace]

Delete and install the other

[storm garnet]

Gotcha

[royal island]

@wraith edge are you gonna post character builds other than cleric?

[royal island]

I saw I think 1 other build but I thumbed threw the other roles and didn't find anything like what you posted for cleric I found your post to help me decide on the type of build best suited for my play style! Thank you

[faint citrus]

Is there any place to follow what will be in the next update like trello?

[royal island]

Should i uninstall the play test now or will it not effect the demo option when it drops on the 6th?

[inner flax]

Won’t affect

[royal island]

ok kool... thank you

[past birch]

I'm seeing a lot of ppl saying we should delete the current version.
Tho I never had to do so in the past

[quartz bear]

Meh you dont have too. They dont know what they are talking about.

[prime dock]

Can people stream while playing the next playtest on platforms like YouTube and Twitch?

[snow sigil]

Yes

[past birch]

I don't see why you wouldn't

[slow topaz]

You can even get a special role in the server by making content

[quartz bear]

no, because it hurts my feelings.

[slow topaz]

Lmao

[fervent geode]

Is the playtest in feb an alpha ?

[quartz bear]

Basically yes, the true alpha is in early access which was teased for around april.

[fervent geode]

Nice ! First time I can be around a game since its alpha and i'm glad its Dark and Darker :D

[quartz bear]

We lucked out and found out about the game this fast because of how popular it got! Its a winning formula for a game design for sure!

[hot basalt]

Is there an application to fill out for to obtain a streaming role? Or content creator role?

[fervent geode]

TikTok showed me some streams and I fell in love right away

Was months ago, and the playtest was already over

[quartz bear]

Dang you didnt get to play playtest #3? 😦

[fervent geode]

Unfortunately :/

That's why i'm so hyped for 6 feb

[quartz bear]

What class you think of?

Might I interest you in the best class of all?....cleric? eh eh nudge nudge?

[fervent geode]

Go on, speak about your lord and savior

I might be interested who knows

[quartz bear]

THE LIGHT OF THE LORD TAKES ALL THE DARKNESS AWAY!

GATHER AROUND! BUFFS AND HEALING FOR ALL

[fervent geode]

Can I... DEUS VULT enemies ?

[quartz bear]

I played cleric mostly as a frontliner immovable wall.

I put a million buffs on myself so I could one shot almost anyone and never die myself.

Bonking people with maces and morningstars was also very satisfying.

[quartz bear]

Yes, its called judgement.

[fervent geode]

Crazy how you described what I like in a game

[quartz bear]

I personally liked the smite ability more

[fervent geode]

So cleric is basically a paladin ?

A crusader ?

[quartz bear]

Not really. A paladin is the mix between a fighter and a cleric, but the cleric doesnt have any abilities that are mundane, its all magic based. All your power comes from spells and magic skills.

[fervent geode]

I most games I like being a ranger

[quartz bear]

While a fighter has all of their abilities give them strictly mundane bonuses to things like speed, self healing, weapon damage/speed.

[fervent geode]

But in dnd I feel like being a fighter or a cleric

[quartz bear]

Yeah a lot of people like playing ranger in this game. Its actually the most popular right now.

The class I struggled with the most to fight against was the barbarian though. If they are not a veteran ranger I knew how to easily kill them off. But a barbarain that just either equips duel wield or a felling axe would give me a hard time just by holding down the W key.

[fervent geode]

Hmh

What is the difference between fighter and barb ?

[faint cloud]

skills and fighter can use a shield

[versed river]

Are the devs planning on making a spinoff for VR in the future?

[hoary gazelle]

Can I leave the last PlayTest installed and expect a faster update?

[prime venture]

this is something I'd like to know as well

[grand kiln]

bard coming next playtest or wot

[past birch]

we've got no info on anything. we just know it will start in feb6

its not an earlyaccess or a final release, there is no video tease or trailer etc

If you have the guts, ping a dev an ask them 🤣

[coral ice]

Pretty sure the play test won't give faster access in Feb. If I had to guess it won't apply like an update and it might even be listed in steam separately than the old playtest

[grim furnace]

Well if someone wants an answer about the last launcher : delete it it’s useless, the build launcher will change.

[azure veldt]

Is there going to be any planned changes for the next test posted anywhere?

[grim furnace]

Sadly no! But before the play test we will have a post don’t worry

[azure veldt]

I know there isn’t yet but you’re sure they’re not planning on posting anything about changes before the next test?

[grim furnace]

Oh sorry i didn’t get it Hum there is an interview planned with Onepeg for the 1st feb so we will probably know more about it

[azure veldt]

Nice ty

[coral ice]

Glad it's with onepeg. Bro's such a quality YouTuber. I've watched him for his tarkov stuff and he really puts in effort. I don't doubt ittl be the same for dark and darker

[pseudo rain]

@quartz bear I don't know of a way to consistently beat a decent Barb in a 1v1 as cleric. The only strat I can think of is something I came up with after the playtest, never tried it while it was out

But basically you would accept that if you're roughly even on speed, you're never going to beat a barb with a brain. They have long kill windows on you during their cooldowns, where you're not able to do much about kiting their kill range.

So I think you would just go completely naked except for +speed boots, take off your shield, and play to win the melee dueling

If you take a hit, you're pretty much dead - but it's better than being tankier while guaranteeing they can land the hits during their cooldowns.

This strat is based on how it feels to duel them as rogue, where I felt like I had a much higher 1v1 rate because of my speed.

You need to bait a swing before you can melee them, but if they hold swing forever to push on you, you can land judgments. It's just a skill matchup at that point that slightly favors them because of cooldowns.

[slow topaz]

Judgement and run is best way to fight barb 1v1 tbh

[wraith edge]

[forest aspen]

Will a pre-load be available for the game? Like you're able to download it maybe an hour before the playtest time but not able to access the game, I want every single minute I can get.

[undone trout]

can you play on mac os

[quartz bear]

Any PC I think. They posted the minimum requirments in #❓faq

[vital apex]

When the game releases officially, will it be free to play or pay to play?

[slow topaz]

Game will release in quarter 4 of this year and will be pay to play, no price has been decided yet

[vital apex]

Ah, we got a future till then then

Another question tho, if someone wants to stream the game on twitch during the playtest, they are allowed to or only selected content creators are to stream and feature it?

[slow topaz]

Anyone is allowed to. in fact if you stream enough or make a few vids you can get a content creator role on the server

[vital apex]

sounds great!

ty!

[frigid hare]

how much will this game cost?

[slow topaz]

Devs have not decided on a price yet

[tender sundial]

whats better, fighter sprint or barbarian rage?

[drowsy merlin]

At the time the play test 4 demo is released, should we uninstall the game we used on playtest 3 and reinstall using the new Demo or will that cause account issues for those who have participated in prior play tests?

[grim furnace]

Yep uninstall the client

[grim furnace]

It depends on the person i think but rage is in my opinion better since you have ms + more damage

[modern comet]

Will you be able to join the playtest anytime during the nextfest

[grim furnace]

Yeah of course check #📢announcements to see when it starts

[modern comet]

"At the start of the playtest a ‘demo’ button will appear on our Steam store page. You will need to download and launch the demo version of Dark and Darker in order to participate in the Next Fest playtest."

This is the reason I ask it makes it sound like you can't join the playtest mid way through the nextfest

[vague bane]

Nah

[modern comet]

Idk I was just wondering

[haughty abyss]

Hello, I was wondering. When the new playtest is available, do I need to sign up or get in some sort of a waitlist? What do I need to do to be ready and able to play Dark and Darker in the next playtest?

[rugged axle]

Open to everyone on steam 🙌

[wraith bear]

I'm thinking rock of rats.. rats in the rafters..
even though I know the answer isn't online, I got my eye on you

[burnt badger]

Are you guys the one that knocks

[rugged axle]

You’ve unlocked the second phrase!
Where a party can’t fit, ‘neath a rock where rats do sit, a clue awaits near a snow covered gate!

[quartz bear]

Nah its just called rat rock nothing to do with actual rogues.

[spiral shell]

i dont believe that second phase clue ngl

[cobalt meadow]

maybe password is solo queue

[burnt badger]

how did people figure out what the image meant?

[slow topaz]

Troll King? Possible B1 Boss???

[grim furnace]

Or b3?

Nah it must be a dragon on b3

[slow topaz]

could be. since the devs have said that lich and ghost kings are b2 bosses

[grim furnace]

Ye

[fervent geode]

@unborn zenith is there any more cosmetics given this way ?

Because I’d like to collect all things I can in a game, and I’m wondering if I missed some ;-;

[obsidian sun]

Does wizards bring in 5x fireball and t hey can only use fireball 5x times or how does it work?

i also saw a wizard meditate does that increase his mana or his spell charges?

[distant elm]

It's only 5 but ability to meditate charges abilities

[obsidian sun]

Alright, do you have to buy spells at a npc or u can choose freely?

[jolly shoal]

you can choose from a set of spells but you only have a certain amount of spell slots and each spell costs a different amount of slots

[wheat ingot]

Where do i download the game

[lusty mist]

Sorry if this has been addressed elsewhere but have we heard anything about any additional classes since the last playtest?

[pine mulch]

Till The Morning Comes - Grateful Dead
-"Let your tracks be lost in the dark and snow"
@rugged axle
?

[slow topaz]

Steam. It will be available to download on the 6th of February

[hot crown]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/cave-troll-medium it's this one right? :D

[acoustic schooner]

druid, bard, and other D&D classes have been confirmed, with bard coming either this or next playtest, as he was already intended to be done by playtest #3 but proved to be a lot more work than they thought

and druid has confirmed shape shifting 👀

[hot crown]

Wonder how hard it will be to balance those things in that kind of game :D

[lusty mist]

ooo neat

[upper wolf]

Was the password QR code actually in Central Park?

[grim furnace]

ye

[upper wolf]

@whole sluice hey bro, will you update the handbook by any chance?

[long arrow]

Central Park in nyc wtf lol

[blazing pelican]

man whats this troll announcement

[grim furnace]

Its a new boss

[vestal kernel]

boss or mini boss?

[grim furnace]

Boss probably , it's related to a cave and we are 99.99% sure it'll be B1 boss

[whole sluice]

I'm hoping to. Didn't have a chance to play the Dec. playtest due to a funeral and being across country

[graceful moon]

which one is b1 again? the one with the pyramid?

[grim furnace]

the one that we didnt play and that they are adding

[graceful moon]

which ones have we played then?

[grim furnace]

B2 is the one u start on

[daring spindle]

Sorry to hear it brother

[grim furnace]

b3 is the one you access through red portals

[graceful moon]

oh , then theres no way its b1 lol , they said we wouldnt getting that that fast

[whole sluice]

It's all good. I'm just glad I have some time to update it this time around (So far)

[grim furnace]

Well it is

[daring spindle]

Good to hear you still around, your work has been really great

[hollow oar]

You’ll be surprised what an overwhelmingly large amount of support does for a game’s development pace

[rugged axle]

They said it was nearly finished in November so itll be a great addition for sure.

[graceful moon]

well I stand corrected and very excited 😄

[whole sluice]

Thanks

[upper wolf]

Aw many that sucks, sorry to hear. The handbook was really helpful last playtest for both new and veteran players! Keep up the great work bro

[keen cedar]

is there skin pick for characters in the game , is there customization feature in the game

[ornate linden]

there were a few cosmetics you were able to unlock through earning enough points in the game.

not too many right now, but there will be more in the future for sure

[undone trout]

my friend is a new gamer and wants to play dark and darker with me, what game would be good to play to practice fundamentals of this game?

[cyan gulch]

get em into mordhau just to learn how to swing a clunky weapon and make them watch youtube videos

there isnt the same mechanics to the swinging in DaD but it gives a similar feel/look

[upper tree]

honestly the fundamentals are pretty basic so he should be able to pick it up pretty fast

[keen cedar]

i hope they add skin pick up for characters

[sick lotus]

You underestimate how quickly a very new player can get overwhelmed

[upper tree]

True, maybe start em out with skyrim then

[sick lotus]

Yeah, i was thinking skyrim, Dead by Daylight, The Forest, Paladins, Overwatch 2

I think that only paladins is really for free. I know that almost none of the game that i suggested are really similar to dark and darker, but truly the game seems to be very easy to grasp, so all your friend needs to learn are fundamentals of every game. The fact that you crouch with ctrl or c, run with shift, how to swing stuff and move your cursor for the enemies, and the fact that you got all these quickslots and iventory items that you can use.

Heck, even The last of us original title with its multiplayer is good to learn to engage that way of thinking of using everything that is at your disposal without getting into panic is useful. Good Luck mate ✌️

But Mordhau or Chivalry 2 is actually close to dark and darker in a way tbh

[undone trout]

thank you sir

[visual river]

just go in blind. it's what made it fun for me. Since there is the two of you, you can figure out what to do yourself. Learning proccess is also the fun part of starting new games especially if you got a buddy.

[tiny anchor]

LFM to join our Guild. OCE server adventurers that have banded together to help experienced and new players fill out a good party to dominate the dungeons. Play test approaches are you ready?
PM if interested.

[quiet wave]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Trading#Shop_List This is from playtest#3. I hope they will bring more cosmetics.

[undone trout]

verY wholesome i think thats what ill do

[brittle ember]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Stats#Physical_Power

[versed river]

do we need to kill the lava guardian before entering the skull room or can i just go past without aggro?

[azure veldt]

Do we have any info about the cavetroll other than it exists?

[rancid bridge]

nope

[orchid harness]

is the anything to counteract cheaters in this playtest or just reports

[slow topaz]

Considering its surroundings it is likely the boss of B1. While we dont have a lot of info from the devs this much can be inferred from the image and context clues throughout past q&a as well as deductive reasoning. such as the ghost king and lich actually being b2 bosses and hints that b1 will either be a cave or forest. hence why the troll king (cave troll) could be the boss of b1. Again. this is all mine and a few other players speculation and isn't confirmed but it seems like a reasonable guess for now

[slow topaz]

the dev team is working on anticheat systems. there may be a third party anticheat for this playtest. but at the moment reports are pretty much all we have.

[azure veldt]

IMO i hope they dont have a true boss of B1/b2. I feel like the real bosses should be on b3 only and mini bosses for b1/2 like wraith skele champion and perhaps if the troll is a mini boss i'd be more okay with that personally.

[slow topaz]

Lich and ghost king as b2 bosses have been confirmed by sdf

Just think of b2 as the new b3. With b1 having about the same (if not slightly lower) difficulty as current b2. With the future of b3 being an absolute hellscape (with possible dragon boss I am not joking sdf said this in the dev q&a)

[azure veldt]

he said that was their original plan. they never confirmed they were moving them to b2. Just that they were originally planned as b2 bosses and yeah i saw the dragon thing.

[vague badger]

@undone troutTarkov

[halcyon snow]

Hey there 🙂
Sorry if anyone already talked about this :
When game is released, would there be a way to get a full server configuration in order to set it up like that :

• Private with password, 3vs3vs3vs3vs..
• Capability to add/remove restrictions and so on ?
  Imo, this could be awesome to play with friends 😉

[ripe plume]

Or also for setting up Tournaments
I dig this, maybe hit them up in #1048762118255673428

I don't think anything like that has been said or talked about yet, but I might be mistaken

[halcyon snow]

Thanks for your suggestion, I'll add it there 🙂

[ripe plume]

[past birch]

[prisma marsh]

[royal cipher]

Does anyone know when the next playtest will be after steamfest? it's only gonna be playable for 10 days and i need my fix afterwards

[dire flower]

I understand that this will be the last playtest, next would be early access on april

[royal cipher]

oh ok thanks

[sick lotus]

Will the EA already cost money?

[royal cipher]

I'd do inhuman things for early access. Paying money is one of them

[sick lotus]

Lol me too, but i really HOPE that they release this game for 20€ or something and not 40€ and DEFINITELY not 60€, even tho 30-40€ would be fair but this is a team game and most games like these have profited off of the fact that they were free to play or cheap and so people were capable of inviting their friends.

If they make it 40€, my friends wont buy it and neither will i probably, so it will end up being 0€ from all of us. If they make it 20€ We will all buy it, making them roundabout 80€

I really hope they keep in mind that this is a team game and for people to convince their friends to buy this game, it needs to be somewhat cheap. And once there are lot of people buying. They can make merch and other type of things to further monetize their game

[past birch]

20euros is 100Real for me, close to the maximum what I can pay. Yeah, hope it doesn't go higher

[viral arrow]

Even for solobobbies, a smaller price, means more players, means better diversity in matchups. Means not getting rolled 24/7 by sweaty squads, means less ragequitting xD

[sick lotus]

True, i havent even thought about that but thats a good point

[viral arrow]

ideally you would go with a f2p model, but then you start to run into issues with there not being any downsides to botting/hacking. There's a balance, and it's probably around 20-40$

[sick lotus]

Yeah, i would definitely suggest 20€ in todays economy. I also realised that most people dont wanna buy games that end on 15€ or 17€ but would gladly buy a game close to a round number like 20€ or 40€. Maybe im wrong but thats what i have observed from my friends

[prisma marsh]

there be a anti cheat this time around ?

[lapis orchid]

do we keep our cosmetics from last playtest ?

[storm nova]

nope

[hot crown]

what the heck? are you saying that people wanna pay more? :D

I would play probably even 60$ for it but then again my friends won't play so ggs

[primal canopy]

You think 20 is a lot?

[ripe plume]

Hello fellow PT-BR user, as you say this, you can only imagine how horrible the rate will be for Argentinians and Venezuelans 😭

[past birch]

Obviously not, Tarkov came out for 80 or 100 dunno

But for me, I can't pay anything close to Tarkov rn

[ripe wind]

imagine complaining about game prices in argentina or turkey, yall been buying games for 10-20% of the price everyone else in the world has been paying for decades lol, welcome to the real world

[burnt badger]

Be nice

[flat ginkgo]

TRU THO

[versed river]

will rouge stealth activate mob spawns?

[slow topaz]

nope

you wont activate spawns if you are invisible under the wizard spell as well

[versed river]

thanks

[lyric talon]

Is the next playtest going to have proximity VOIP?

[lean saffron]

Possible, but I doubt it. VoIP coming eventually but, based on their comments, it's not high on the list of priorities.

I would expect new floor, new boss, maybe some quests and talent system changes. Hard to predict with confidence at this point.

[fluid latch]

I hope it's a 60 dollar game, or more.

The more expensive it is, the lesser amount of hackers I believe

Besides, 60 dollars is nothing for hundred of hours of entertainment.

[rugged axle]

laughs in Tarkov

[fluid latch]

Imagine F2P or 20 dollars Tarkov then

[pure bridge]

60 dollar price tag would probably kill the game, also depends if they update the graphics because it's currently an asset flip I believe, which really doesn't warrant a triple A price.

[ripe forge]

Indi games generally cost between 20-40$ usd, they'd have to add a lot more to game to value higher.

[pure bridge]

and tbh, a 40$ indie better give me a crisp high five and a reach around

[lean saffron]

Calling this game an asset flip means you either don't know the meaning of the word or haven't played the game. It's a pejorative term for cobbled together, poorly functioning, bad games. This game is fun and addictive and runs better in alpha tests than many games after they launch.

[peak maple]

Even tho it's a smaller company the employees still have to put in huge hours. I'm not tryna have them.work for free

I'm down to pay whatever

[lean saffron]

That said $40 is a fair price in the US. Have higher tier packages available as well.

[pure bridge]

I mean sure - I was using "asset flip" a bit liberally, ignoring the negative connotations, the point I was making is it's made using epic marketplace art assets, nothing wrong with that but when people are paying 50-60$+ for a game, you're investing in a piece of art.

[fiery wasp]

is there anywhere i can see a list of upcoming changes in pt4?

[rugged axle]

#📢announcements when its ready

[ripe forge]

I'd probably play roughly 34.99 at most, were they to add tier packages, I would expect a 20$ version and probably get that.

[fiery wasp]

thank you!

[lean saffron]

Fair enough. I'm more inclined to focus on the quality of the product than the amount of cost incurred by the developers when assessing appropriate price. I certainly have no idea what the market is for games at various price points. I'd pay whatever for this game and wouldn't buy COD for $19.99 even though it clearly cost big bucks to develop.

[prime venture]

early access games usually have a reduced price
when games are fully released the price will increase

[prime venture]

i also expect to see tier packages/support pack
which would be cool to support more

[pure bridge]

Oh I totally agree - the dilemma for small game companies isn't for people like you and I, we know the game is really tightly engineered and fun as hell to play, I would pay 60$ for DnD. They have to play that balancing act for potential new customers, who will look at the game's visuals and price and do cost/reward calculations in their head - "Oh this game is very expensive for what it looks like" vs "oh this game looks too cheap for how good it looks, gameplay must be shit".

[balmy robin]

20-40 is a good range for me - 50 I’d go if I could see a roadmap of future stuff on release

In it current state I’d go up to 30 tho

[prime venture]

if you will buy the game when will be in early access, then you have no worries when the game will be fully released in Q4 2023

[pure bridge]

mhmm and as Silmeria says, early access for a cheaper price is a common thing

[prime venture]

basically early access is essentially a discount
cause games after early access stage, the price will increase accordingly to the content added

[pure bridge]

Quite. I really hope they go ahead with early access haha.

[prime venture]

yes because it brings usually more people to try it
but honestly a reasonable price it make people more willing to buy a game

that's why a reasonable/competitive price will be always better

[balmy robin]

@prime venture I never said I was worried about release - that was my first addition to a topic here in weeks …. All I was saying is the price range I’d be okay with

[prime venture]

okay, i understand

[balmy robin]

They can release whenever it’s done lol I don’t mind

[prime venture]

as my personal guess, when the game will be released in early access i'd expect to see it around 24$

and when fully released around 35$

my personal guess

[ripe forge]

yeah that sounds about right to me, then you'd just pay 10$ to upgrade for tier.

[prime venture]

yea sure why not

[ripe forge]

I usually don't purchase into tiers at all until I've 300 hours at least.

[prime venture]

i can see it support pack tiers as well

[prime venture]

understandable

[ripe forge]

Suffice to say I'm still running tarkov on cheapest version

[pure bridge]

As long as it has a shop with loads of microtransactions I'm happy

[ripe forge]

game just isn't as great as the hype tbh

[pure bridge]

Tarkov never clicked with me, surprised this game has

[ripe forge]

don't like the learning curve in tarkov, and the 5-15 minute que's dont help it.

I tend to play alone more then with friends, were I more of a gang player I might have enjoyed it more but meh

[prime venture]

speaking of queque times, in dark and darker seems like even if there weren't enough players in lobbies (there were a lot in reality), the game would started regardless.
and this thing is very nice
basically it would start even if you are alone, like 1/16
at least this for what i could see in the playtest #3
not sure about other similar games 🤔

[ripe forge]

Yeah I like that feature of just create the dang lobby. lol

[prisma marsh]

Would be nice if Rubysilver armour had a better chance to role ur class specs..

[keen vector]

so the play test is in 7 days?

[pliant crown]

yes

[keen vector]

FINALLY

[prime venture]

yes just a week away

soon ™️

[distant elm]

Sooooon

[glacial sable]

Any plans on Dark and Darker being able to run on a Mac?

[wispy imp]

Have they announced a early access date? Or just play tests for foreseeable future

[desert flax]

@glacial sable I’d also like to know if there are plans for DaD to run on Max

*Mac

[slow topaz]

Early access will be in April. Full release will be quarter 4 of this year

[weak pulsar]

Do the devs plan to make this free to play if not whats the estimate amount it will be on sale for

[idle lily]

Not free to play. No estimate on price

[errant perch]

Can anyone help? my friend has a mid PC and i dont know if it wil be good enough to run d and d

and i can send an image of his specs

[slow topaz]

the games steam page includes the list of specs that are required to run the game. the majority of computers (laptops included) can run the game.

[errant perch]

ok

[errant perch]

he has 980 but it says 1060

[slow topaz]

hell probably lag a bit but it should run.? how much ram does he have?

[errant perch]

vram or ram

[sick lotus]

Yeah, i meant that they want clear round numbers, bc we know from good expensive games that they are usually 59,99€ or something so some of us associated this with a good game. While some shit games that i have played, were usually some odd numbers. Maybe im totally crazy and talking shit but i was just giving my 2 cents hehe

[hot crown]

Bro then what can you say to me if I buy in different currency? XD

like that makes no sense at all

[sick lotus]

I agree with you but my friends do not and i want to play this game with someone, so please do yourself a favour devs and release this game for an affordable price

[sick lotus]

No, youre right. It only applies to my currency and maybe $ IF it even applies. I would be curious to see a study on this type of thing

[hot crown]

I can tell you that I literally dont care lol

about if price is odd or even number or round :D

[sick lotus]

Me neither, im just saying that by lowering their prices a lil bit they might allow for more players to actually buy the games

[hot crown]

the chaeper the better because I can convice my friends to also buy the game

[sick lotus]

same

[sick lotus]

yeah, sorry. Dumb idea honestly

Lol, im over here scrolling through the whole channel pinging everyone at this point, sorry! 😅

[hot crown]

I mean this chat is civil at least general gives me aids

[sick lotus]

True

[slow topaz]

fr lmao. the chaos that happened during the cave troll reveal in general was true cancer

[hot crown]

I mean when the servers went down during playtests

[slow topaz]

oh yeah that too

[hot crown]

that was something else XD

[slow topaz]

I kept general muted then lmao

[keen cedar]

can i b black in game or dark elf

be*

[slow topaz]

not atm. the devs have said they want to add more variation to the player customization through things such as race and things like the talent tree

[keen cedar]

ooo

ok sweet

you the best kenneth

[slow topaz]

no problem

[supple oxide]

do i have to uninstall the game from the previous playtest ? or can I keep it for the next one ?

[versed river]

people have been saying that you dont have to and it should work

wouldnt hurt to keep it

[supple oxide]

I agree, thank you for the reply

[tepid girder]

will there be some sort of special effect added to skins that are monster skins like the skeleton skin to make sure you dont have people picking up a shield and a arming sword then disquising themselves as skeletons?

[thick egret]

i dont think one is needed for skeleton skin specifically, skeletons dont have armor usually

plus they way the walk around and run is different

[tepid girder]

that makes sense thanks

[slow topaz]

The skeleton skins were a december playtest only thing. They were also given a stat reduction when equipped so it didn't make it unfair.

[obsidian sun]

How weak is starter gear compared to "avarage" gear? lets say im a wizard with starter gear and deals 30% of someones hp with fireball (starter gear). how much % dmg would i do with "avarage" gear?

[slow topaz]

maybe 40%? 50%?

[dusk gate]

If you are wizard you dont need gear, just 1 shot everyone ezlife

[obsidian sun]

so avarage/good gear doubles your dmg?

[dusk gate]

Even triple, even quadruple, really depends if you got those endgame + True magic dmg gear on you

[obsidian sun]

i mean avarage to good gear not endgame gear 😅

[dusk gate]

Well that really depends, you can use full green gear with +5 true magic dmg on every item etc, so hard to say whats average / medium gear, but yeah id say fully geared with good stat roll on the items = easily double your dmg as a wizard atleast, cant say anything about other classes tho

[obsidian sun]

im a veteran escape from tarkov player just comparing them how strong u are with starter to avarage gear

[dusk gate]

You can still 1v3 people as naked wizard, atleast you could last playtest, will have to see what they change this time around 😄

[polar yoke]

from lowest tier to highest tier, not counting the additional stat rolls, it goes from 100 to 200% pretty much, less for some weapons

for example a bottom tier battle axe hits for 35 but a legendary hits for 67

[obsidian sun]

Alright ive heard that starter weapon hits for 10 and green 25 and purple 45

[polar yoke]

there are 8 tiers, making each tier roughly 12.5% more effective than the last

[obsidian sun]

that kinda put me off but if its how u say then its fine

[polar yoke]

it's way more efficient to solve for break points rather than pure damage

[slow topaz]

starter weapons hit for like 20% hp on most classes

[polar yoke]

it always depends on what you hit, where you hit etc

[dusk gate]

Yeah for example if you headshot a player with ur fireball as a wizard it deals like 1.5x dmg vs hitting him on body

[obsidian sun]

headshot with fireball 😂

[polar yoke]

gotta be afk to be hit by a fireball in the head for sure

[dusk gate]

You actually need to headshot to do more dmg 😉 you a tarkov pro so wont be a problem for you

[obsidian sun]

i dont click head i click legs with RIP ammo

[dusk gate]

you can also take the high ground and hit headshots way easier that way 😄

[polar yoke]

positioning makes up for a lot of gear gap

[dusk gate]

You mean you take Head-eyes from a scav 300 meters away through 4 walls and 5 bushes?

[obsidian sun]

wut?

[polar yoke]

people who have only played as a 3-man group are also going to be drastically worse at the game than solo gamers

[dusk gate]

You have not played this tarkov wipe? scavs are cracked lol

[obsidian sun]

i have, im lvl 39 xD

[slow topaz]

legs shots are also good. a lot of people like to hold their shield over their face and eyes. lots of free leg shots for you there

[obsidian sun]

yea i figured shootign fireball at their feet would be best

splash dmg etc

[dusk gate]

I did start the game by playing in 3 man groups, and after i started soloing with wizard i started to actually extract / win my fights, crazy how being a solo gives you so much more options in a fight vs being in a group

[polar yoke]

being in a 3 man group is really like being in a 4 man group

the fourth man is the big other telling you "don't abandon your friends"

[dusk gate]

Haha, you really need a super good communication etc to pull off a wizard in a group play, or then you just pretty much clean everything youself and have 2 buddies be ur looting bags 😄

[obsidian sun]

does it exist insurance ?

broken english

does insurance exists?

[slow topaz]

nope