q-and-a

[whole sluice]

Barb can still get decently high though

[floral tendon]

ah okay.

so barb is rush in sacrifice hp and deal a lot of damage quick

[royal narwhal]

yeah, barb needs to hit their high damage swings

[celest mural]

Depends on your perks

[whole sluice]

Well its a bit more nuanced

[tight wyvern]

Also for the long sword "Riposte" attack how did it work?

[whole sluice]

The weapon itself is the hitbox, the exact mesh. There is no cone, so you have to intercept where the other attack is coming from with your weapon. Very tight window

[celest mural]

Right click again after blocking an attack to riposte

[tight wyvern]

i would block then left click right after and did the same stab

OH so right click again

[whole sluice]

You have to 'intercept' the attack, not hold block

[tight wyvern]

okay

[floral tendon]

I really enjoyed that about the weapons. Dead angling was always fun in the early dark souls.

[whole sluice]

Parrying is MUCH easier when the opponent is higher elevation, so on stairs a lot easier to counter

[tight wyvern]

yeah so timing the block, then right click again got ya

[whole sluice]

But it's still pretty tight and takes getting used to

[celest mural]

The parrybox is bigger the lower down the sword it is

[tight wyvern]

i would get the block/parry and not do the riposte

[celest mural]

To the tip

[steady holly]

does the shield block all magic damage?

as in, magic missile? Or does it take a bit of the damage?

Also, fireball, if it hits the shield?

[floral tendon]

breaking through doors with the barb feels pretty amazing though.

https://tenor.com/view/theshining-killer-heresjohnny-gif-5014874

[whole sluice]

And with that, the sage role is out and I'm outty, catch you guys around later

[floral tendon]

peace.

[celest mural]

Shields can completely block mage missile in pve and pvp

[steady holly]

Sage role is dead? what

cya @whole sluice , thank you!

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-i-will-honor-the-memory-of-my-fallen-my-fallen-i-will-avenge-my-fallen-gif-25511990

[celest mural]

I’m pve fireball can be completely blocked in pvp I’m not sure

[whole sluice]

It can't, because it has a dot and AoE splash

[royal narwhal]

can it block some/all of either component, though?

[steady holly]

but the AOE does less damage than a direct hit, no?

[whole sluice]

Yes, it still reduces damage

[celest mural]

Aoe does less than direct

[tranquil plinth]

@whole sluice Most people playing the last test met the problem that all trading (doesn't matter either you trade utility or weapon) happened in weapon room one. And it was so hard to find the right one for you, the chat was literally "flying away". Is the idea to let people "link" items in supposed channels ONLY, I mean you can link utility only in utility room etc.?

[whole sluice]

I'm not a dev. This isn't the #feedback-hidden-archive channel.

Neither of which I can help with, sorry 🙂

[tranquil plinth]

Thanks, we'll definately type this one

[whole sluice]

Put in my 2¢ that you should ONLY be able to link items of that type in the channels. Might help

Also, the MORE people spam, the longer the cooldown to 'type' again

So you don't get people 4 line spamming for 1 item

[steady holly]

that's... actually a good one

[whole sluice]

I get those from time to time 😄

[steady holly]

lol

[whole sluice]

Anyways, I'm gonna hang out with the wifey and kids, take care darklings

[steady holly]

man plays nerdie games and still has a social life, damn, top 1%

[wide rapids]

When is the next play test

[neat bramble]

#📢announcements message

[candid imp]

These fools didn't grow up in world 2 falador and it shows

[neat bramble]

i have to credit my fast typing speed to phrases like "selling cooked lobsters" and "trimming armor for free"

[honest prism]

I'm ready to trow money at this project. When can I do that ? 😂

[candid imp]

cyan: wave2: wtb playtest, $40

[hollow isle]

https://tenor.com/view/scrooge-money-rich-cash-gif-14242058

[cyan slate]

For me it was Hugo's House of Horrors. Having to get the gold away from the mummy real fast made me really figure out how to type quickly.

[wary peak]

its funded. nothing we can do rn

[vivid marsh]

weird that we live in a time where "the game got funded" is actually bad news for the players (we cant just hand them money to play)

[sturdy cosmos]

Wtb play test. 10k gold coins. 30k silver coins

[wraith veldt]

Did this channel get renamed? Could of sworn it was 'mechanic q & a'

[hollow elm]

The people I keep seeing go live in the tarvern, are they still playing or just playing a vod lol

[versed egret]

They are replaying clips and vods. Nobody is playing the game

[upper lion]

will there be prestige system for your character/

[versed egret]

there's a class tree system/function in the game that isnt working yet but Im not sure about prestige

[upper lion]

will the class tree system be reset everywipe?

[versed egret]

Everything is deleted from playtests. Unsure of how that will change/function when the game actually releases or what the timeframe would be

[upper lion]

so there is a chance that the game will shift away from complete wipes when it is fuilly released?

[versed egret]

My favorite phrase is anything is possible my friend lmao

[upper lion]

W developers

[grand umbra]

Previously it was in the "Sage" category, so when they removed the sage roll in lieu of Veteran Adventurer while they figure out how they want to handle it in the future, it got renamed as it transferred.

[grand umbra]

Playing VoDs.

[wraith veldt]

@grand umbra good stuff, thanks!

[sick scroll]

Does anyone have screenshots of the base stats that each class starts with?

[upper lion]

will guns ever be added?

[cedar dawn]

yes

[grand umbra]

Not confirmed, but there has been speculation that Artificer might be one of the archetypes used to make a class, in which case it could be assumed that they might feature a "gun" that I would expect to be somewhere between bow and crossbow in how clunky it is.

[zealous drum]

Will we eventually see customization options for stats or are classes always going to include their own pre-set array? I figure it would be very complicated to balance around being able to min-max stats, but the way the "character sheets" were setup in the game made me question it.

[grand umbra]

Nothing has been said on such things, but I suspect there will be some amount of non-itemization customization available from levelling. MaddCowQQ has put forth the idea of a few "flex" stats you can distribute among the current base stats for each class, which I too would like to see.

[zealous drum]

That could be interesting. Otherwise it may be a good idea to just hide any stats that you aren't able to change.

[zealous drum]

Is the game intended to be balanced around solo play? I feel like this is a very important thing to keep in mind moving foward so that we can offer better suggestions for different classes. Clerics can feel underwhelming on their own unless you forego the use of half of your spells. Wizards are garbage on their own. Fighters have almost no way to heal on their own, etc.

While you have classes like the ranger who can do everything alone.

[cedar dawn]

they would probably have done tank/healer/dps archetypes if it wasn't intended to be solo friendly. but atm the gameplay is too simple that outnumbering people is really unfair so 3 mans dominate.

[grand umbra]

No, it's not balanced around solo, nor was it planned to be. They have mentioned looking into something for solos after feedback, but I wouldn't expect them to shift the priority of their design philosophy towards solos over the group play.

[zealous drum]

That's good to know, thank you.

[clever radish]

I dont mind losing at most PVP as a solo, but it would be nice to get a PVE buff or maybe faster chest opening so I can be a loot goblin better

[heavy yacht]

@zealous drum this cleric solo

https://youtu.be/M3DP52XevEY

absolutely claps cheeks with the gray mace lol

[fossil spruce]

isn’t game closed rn? if so when is next play test

[open lagoon]

prolly end of month, but we don't know yet. watch for the next ping from #📢announcements

[versed elbow]

if the next test is at the end of this month ill keep it installed so i jus gotta update

[restive aspen]

Was the skeleton key bugged in play test 1 or 2?

[grand umbra]

It was only bugged during playtest 2.

[heavy yacht]

pretty sure no one got it PT1

devs said it was a bugged drop chance

[grand umbra]

To clarify, this previous test was the 3rd playtest. There was one before that was much smaller.

[mellow slate]

FriendsAndFamily Alpha or Alpha 0, Alpha 1, Alpha 2.

[heavy yacht]

ohh

yeah devs said on Oct 21 so it was bugged in the first big one then

[thorn dagger]

I figure this has been asked and answered before but I haven't seen anything on it: Will you be able to choose your angle of attack in the future? Perhaps just choosing part of the existing combo attacks to start

[cedar dawn]

we don't know

[fluid lake]

How is the game being streamed in Discord. Is this the Staff playing?

[cedar dawn]

thats just videos and livestreams from last week

[grand umbra]

No they don't intend to change weapon arcs at this time. They deliberately choose that over directional swings.

[lavish elk]

I'm just hoping that a stab button gets added even if the attack is very weak.

[thorn dagger]

I would hope you can just choose to start the combo in reverse or something, not adding the full 8 directions for every weapon but letting you use one of 3 per weapon

[shadow shadow]

thats kind of the whole point of locking weapons to certain combos though, as some weapons would just be busted if you could change their attack directions

like imagine horseman's axe but with different attack directions... that would be a nightmare to go up against

also the strategy behind it when you see a fighter coming at you with a zweihander, go into a small corridor and they will struggle attacking you at all

[coarse basalt]

Does anybody know if magic damage scales off of different rarity of gear besides the purple gear?

[sick goblet]

Is the swarm zone staying in the game for good, or is it just a placeholder for now? Will it be on the forest level?

[polar yoke]

can we get next playtest thanks

[jade cargo]

i am so empty.. what am I to do now that my beloved is gone.. 🥹

[fathom summit]

Hello, I've been asking myself why the wizard and cleric spells icons look just like the ones in Baldur's gate series and Icewind dale series. Are you guys just using placeholders icons or you gonna keep the ones we got now? Because afaik this could be some sort of reference or easteregg or something else...

[worthy veldt]

Does anyone know how a rogues damage is calculated if you have backstab, weakpoint, the perk for bonus damage from stealth and headshot?

[neat bramble]

i heard from somewhere that majority of UI is placeholder for now

[fathom summit]

that's what I thought, because it's clearly intellectual property used and I wondered if the artist responsible for BGs spell icons was working with them or something but they deleted my post from Steam discussions.... SUS AF thos

[neat bramble]

do they really look the same or just similar? because whatever the game, a fireball or heal icon will be similar

[fathom summit]

I could compare the two but as a big BG series player I can safely say they look strangely similar

[thin totem]

Headshot 1.75 + weakpoint .5 + ambush .5 + backstab .3 = 3.05x ?

[cedar dawn]

headshot is 1.75? jeez

[brisk seal]

Its 1.5

But also being forgotten are stat bonuses which are slightly harder to calculate.

[stable crow]

Is there parrying in this game?

[cedar dawn]

sort of but not really

[muted lotus]

Will this game release on other platforms? Ps5/xbox

[chrome dagger]

I believe it's mentioned in #❓faq, they hope to support Console play in the future

[burnt badger]

Do you think they will add safty pockets like in tarkov or other similar games?
could just call it bag of holding and it starts with 4 slots 2x2 then goes up to 3x4 max or something

[half breach]

Not having safe pockets is one of the best things about this game. It makes the pvp much more high stakes and rewarding to win at.

[muted lotus]

@chrome dagger yep it mentions support for consoles in future thanks man

[delicate bane]

@patent leaf Hey Mister, will there be character customization when the game releases

[cyan pivot]

Do we know how many people will start at Level 1 when that is released?

[chrome dagger]

No worries, glad I could get you the answer

[wind island]

wondering if there are going to be more classes by the end

[mystic smelt]

Yes next is bard

[steady frigate]

Can't wait to lop skeleton skulls off with a backhand swing with my lute

[mystic smelt]

I can’t wait to play safety dance while slaughtering the lobby as bard

[wind island]

badass

hoping i can spam midis in the dung like mordhau

[brisk seal]

Inventory management is one of the worst elements of these games. Every time I watch a video about Tarkov it is someone going in and out of bags and trying to rotate things to cram just one more thing in. It's goofy and isn't (my idea of) fun gameplay. Will that ever become the reality in this game?

[analog wing]

Bard is more of a buff class right? Like damage or speed

[mystic smelt]

Not sure if anything has been said about them. Maybe ask a sage

[whole sluice]

There are no sages anymore

That role was removed

[mystic smelt]

Ask a veteran adventure?

Lol

[whole sluice]

😄

To be fair, I don't think thats what the Adventurer Role is for either

They haven't announced it publicly, but in general I think the information sage phase is over

[mystic smelt]

You’re still a sage to me. I want to play with you this next test!

[whole sluice]

We'll see. A lot of time was spent building up a database, but I'm more than happy to spend a few games with the community if possible

Just depends on how much changes and what is added to test out

[mystic smelt]

You guys gonna try to get a wiki going? If you need any rogue things tested let me know

[coarse bronze]

Is there a pdf of the full maps?

[neat bramble]

they'll most likely get changed in some ways anyway, but i like this one: https://www.gamemaps.co.uk/game/darkanddarker

[wraith veldt]

@whole sluice can you speak to what some of the core features of the game that iron mace is not wavering on? For example, keeping a "less is more" aspect of the game with less hand holding

[whole sluice]

I mean, I don't really speak for the Devs so I can only comment on things they've publically said anyway

If there is something a bit more specific perhaps?

[wraith veldt]

It just seems like there's a lot of requests for adding things to the game which is fine but I'm afraid that sometimes too much could lead to lack of immersion or they're being way too much on the screen to really focus on the game. I was just wondering if there was any thing iron mace had provisioned to prevent something like that for example

There*

[whole sluice]

What I can say is that the Devs have a vision and they are very good about ignoring most 'noise' that doesn't add anything to the game

If you see the progression from the playtests alone they've added things that make sense and doesn't conflict with their vision

[wraith veldt]

Ok thanks! Sorry for the odd question! Your answer definitely gives me confidence this game will be great!

[errant cloak]

Is there an option to assist with testing, beyond when the game goes up for everyone to test?

Will there be an option to apply and be a twitch affiliate for the game in the future? One that advertises the game, shows off the content, etc? Some games offer this to indirectly help the streamer, was wondering if that was being looked into here.

[whole sluice]

No worries, glad to help 🙂

[whole sluice]

I have no knowledge of private testing, no anything with twitch affiliation. Twitch affiliation is more of a twitch thing. If you mean content creator, ask one of the Troubadours or Wardens. They can point you in the right direction

[lavish elk]

Speaking of this, anyone ever figure out if the rogue poison and/or rupture is reduced by that -3 damage perk on the cleric?

[mystic smelt]

What’s the perk? I’m not sure

[lavish elk]

Perseverance

[mystic smelt]

I meant what does it do or say it does. Sorry should have been more clear

[whole sluice]

It effects all sources of damage

So if it does 5 a tick, it would now be 2

[lavish elk]

Ah, I'm not sure on the wording of it, I just remember -3 damage.

[whole sluice]

Unless some of it was true

[coarse bronze]

Thanks G

[errant cloak]

That skill, basically said it reduced all damage by -3. I was also wondering if it effected poison ticks.

[mystic smelt]

It should work on both rupture and poison in that case but honestly no clue if it works correctly in game

[errant cloak]

@whole sluice After you did a live Q and A, a bunch of people made comments wanting to thank you for your time, how helpful it was and how appreciated it was. Not sure if that was forwarded to you. Also, this is not a question, so my bad about putting it here. Just wanted you to know!

[whole sluice]

Awww that means a lot, truly 🙂

[fallow sapphire]

How can I become a troubadour?

[whole sluice]

🤷 I would try reaching out to a warden or other Troubadours

[fallow sapphire]

I did try another Troubadour, I just hoped asking here would have one of them answer me as well

[whole sluice]

Gotcha, yeah. No official application channel or process unfortch

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah, I was just hoping to grab the role since i also streamed it during the play test and would continue doing so

[mystic smelt]

There is no requirements as far as I know besides being a content creator. You should be able to get it, might just take a minute for someone to see you

[tacit steeple]

@whole sluice Sage rank 😮 !?

[whole sluice]

There are no more sages. They were wiped out. Exterminated. Ash to the wind 😄

[tacit steeple]

You will forever be a sage for me!

[chrome dagger]

All the rouges and rangers hunted down the sages 😦

[whole sluice]

Rogue, not Rouge, oh the pain... 😄

[chrome dagger]

I apologize the public school system failed me

[whole sluice]

That is the most truthful, fair and best response I could have imagined

You have my respect

https://tenor.com/view/axe-lotr-gif-5532799

[chrome dagger]

queue I count this an absolute win Hulk Meme

[fervent sentinel]

You are telling me french communist is not a class in this game? 😜

(crossing my fingers people will get the joke)

[analog wing]

Will they be changing the circle size and speed for floor 3?

Or have thought about it

Cause it was super fast and had like 0 time to explore or loot much of anything most of the time but occasionally I'll get a good circle

[steady holly]

HOW DARE YOU

[burnt badger]

you mean bard?

[thin totem]

Any tldr on that? I missed the patch notes 😅

[fervent sentinel]

Rouge is french for red so people talking how they killed by rouges or how they play as rouge are saying the are getting killed by the reds or playing one of the reds 😝

Red refering to the Soviets/communism in the cold war

[tame obsidian]

Its ok.

[jade magnet]

can we just pay and play ? take my moneeeeeey now !

[burnt badger]

Hi my brother and i wanted to play with the game last weekend but when he started the game the Unreal engine crashed and it said : Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION writing address 0x0000000000000024 How should we solve that thing so we can play together for the next playtest?

[hollow ridge]

So after watching a few videos by other people, seems a lot of players have found ways of increasing the brightness and contrast of the game to the point of seeing the people in the dark. Any plans on tackling this issue? IMO its pretty much cheating, i mean the game is called dark and darker.

[lean saffron]

do you have a link to a video demonstrating this?

[hollow ridge]

Hold up, I have seen a few ill go find it again
EDIT : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvp2DR17BJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZXC4BxluhI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBuxLVEL4q0
Found this, ive seen even worse tho. My game was nowhere near as bright, nor should it have been. Some are worse than others ofcourse, but this didnt even cross my mind until today after binging a whole bunch of gameplay videos. Keep in mind these dont even account for the monitor settings, if those would affect anything. Not sure about that.

[dawn plaza]

I would first try to verify the game files or even reinstall the entire game. Also check the graphics driver for updates

[versed egret]

I thought I saw an application before the last playtest but I'm no longer able to find it. Streamed 79 Hours this playtest and ended top 25 barbs so ive been looking for that Troubadour thing myself, had a blast and can't wait for the announcement for next playtest

[fallow sapphire]

I appreciate the answer, but I’ve already become a Troubadour

[lean saffron]

Jonahveil vid looks similar to my experience. There is a brightness setting in game which I cranked all the way up. He probably did the same. Fus video looks similar to me as well. Skytea link is from first playtest (2 months ago), which i think just had different version of lighting all together. Did you not find or change the in-game setting? I fiddled with my monitor and I couldn't see people in the true dark unless they were silhouetted or had glowing potion or something. Whereas in tarkov you can literally get nightvision with certain monitor settings. That doesn't show on screen recording/ videos though.

[hollow ridge]

I saw one video when the blacks were very greyed out, and you could make out silhouettes even in almost pitch black rooms, cant find it as I watch youtube in incognito most of the time.
Just crossed my mind that the video might be post edited, but definitely something to think about, as I see a lot of variation in different gameplay vids, clearly giving an edge to players that mess with their settings.
I reckon working that out is close to impossible however.
And yeah, none of this accounts for the monitor settings. I had a few examples of being killed in pitch black, and it wasnt rangers tracing me, or potions on my belt.

[topaz coral]

If anyone has played rust, that is one game were they have successfully made Darkness effective... I have not seen anyone mess with settings to see.

[lavish elk]

I usually mess with darkness by tilting my monitor forwards a bit. If I feel that the darkness just detracts from the experience.

(Looking at games that expect you to use a pinneedle flashlight in pitch blackness)

[dawn plaza]

According to the devs Early Access is scheduled to come out Q2 2023 (if there are no major problems)

But this is not reliable, as things can always be rescheduled and bugs can also occur. I assume Q3 2023

[glacial cloud]

Damn that's so far away

[celest mural]

hopefully EA is earlier than Q2 2023 or they release more playtests in the meantime.

[chrome dagger]

More playtests are likely to be coming. I believe there's one that will be announced in the coming week

[dawn plaza]

⬆️ Yes, next week the date for the next playtest will be announced #📢announcements . I can also imagine that some more playtests will follow to collect feedback and test the capacities

[granite sandal]

@chrome daggerHopefully they annonunce it on the same day that they are having it

[chrome dagger]

I hope not lol I want to make sure I can rig my work schedule to let me no life it 😆

[cerulean summit]

When playtest back

[celest mural]

read here #q-and-a message

[celest mural]

or here #📢announcements

[languid lagoon]

Are there any hints as to how bard will be played?

[gentle mist]

youre gonna slay them witha sick lute solo

[vivid eagle]

so on screen, poison weapon kind of glistens the weapon in green. is that noticeable for other players if they look from a distance? enough to see and think, "there's a rogue with their weapon out in the dark over there"

[errant cloak]

@gentle mist I'm gonna hit em with Miley Cyrus Wrecking Ball, right when i enter the room

[burnt badger]

how does on get the streamer role?

[versed egret]

There was an application but that disappeared. I've read there is no requirements but Im not sure how to get the role other than seeing someone bother wardens for it

[burnt badger]

guess i will just DM one of them

[tardy viper]

does +healing gear apply to every tick of potions? im watching videos and seeing pots that should be healing for like 12 doing nearly a full health bar, but im also not sure if it's just changed from the first playtest

[whole sluice]

That was second play test most likely. 3rd play test didn't have wonky interaction

[barren cradle]

Is there a possibility of free roam (no zone) but just an over all time restraint?

[tardy viper]

i think devs said the zone will likely stay

[restive aspen]

How were people getting purples so frequently? I had a hard time finding any

[tardy viper]

more common on second floor and in locked chests

does rogue invis make a sound / have an animation visible for other players? how far do footstep sounds travel while crouched with rogue perk? does smokebomb slow start immediately after use and does it last only within the smoke cloud or does the effect linger after exiting?

[restive aspen]

guess i never lockpicked chests enough. I'll try those more next time and infernal

Does anyone have the full B2 map?

[heavy yacht]

@restive aspen lmk if you find any labeled maps 😄

[restive aspen]

i shoulda made my own, took snippets of each part and combined it together like a puzzle piece

[lavish elk]

Seemed to just be a proximity thing

[rich umbra]

so how do i apply for the playtest?

[restive aspen]

when the next play test is going on just "request access" on steam and you'll get in

[rich umbra]

oh ok cool

[tardy viper]

is there a way up to the 2nd floor of the library room? kept trying to figure out a way but never did

[quartz kelp]

Yes I don't remember specifics but I was on top of it nothing super crazy up there few vases

[solemn spear]

Are stashes wiped at the end of a playtest?

[sleek lantern]

yes

[solemn spear]

oke

[sleek lantern]

Is there any guide on how to earn experience fast?

[lean saffron]

go to bottom floor and extract from bottom floor is the fastest way

pvp doesnt give much xp

[lavish elk]

Took me maybe ten or fifteen games of just murdering every NPC and going to B3 to get level fifteen.

Most games I didn't extract, too busy running at people.

[edgy plover]

Is there any plan for other modes to the game such as just a dungeon crawling mode fluent for just combat…it could be cool to see for just casual and practice for fighting weather it’s with a group or as a solo aswell as a arena could be cool to see

[candid oxide]

can anyone tell me how to download the game ?

[cedar dawn]

next month

[true lily]

Thanksgiving weekend

[tame violet]

Watch out for a post in #📢announcements , once they set a date, in that period a button on their steam page will appear to ask for access to the playtest and you'll be able to download the game

[burnt badger]

would you rather own a taco truck or an ice cream truck

[storm aspen]

I'd rather own a spaghetti truck that sells by the plastic baggie.

[ionic oracle]

As someone with.. I don't want to say debilitating, but I'd go as far as saying.. gameplay-disabling arachnophobia.. 😅 Spiders are effectively a stun-lock.. is the best way I can put it. 😆

I was wondering; Do the devs have any arachnophobia-friendly options planned for the game?

In my case, something as simple - although it is a bit wacky, I agree - as a client-side / local "Spiders are Crabs" toggle to turn the spider models into crabs would work. Crabs come to mind due to how similar they are to spiders, so easier to swap the rig, while still avoiding phobia triggers.

If you'd rather keep it a tad more immersive/realistic (crabs like wetter places than dungeons), a "Spiders are Rats" toggle could also do the trick.

[pine wraith]

Whens next alpha test?

[trim jacinth]

Has there been any dev comment on nonhuman player races? orc, tiefling, etc

[cedar dawn]

i imagine they will do 13 classes total before races if ever

[trim jacinth]

I asked if there was a dev comment on it not for speculation lol

[hot lantern]

Do shields 100% block all damage from melee attacks if struck? Can shields break?

[runic warren]

Yes, unless they get hit for a lot of damage. Higher damage weapons can break through your block if the shield's armor rating is too low in comparison. The Barbarian's Impact perk makes smashing through shield blocks easier with powerful weapons.

[hot lantern]

Very nice! thx

[cedar dawn]

they said a test every month until release/early access

[trim jacinth]

also not what i asked

[cedar dawn]

oh wrong guy

check the last q&a otherwise wait for the part 2

[olive canopy]

I want skeleton class when can I be funny skeleton

[waxen junco]

anybody have the map of the dungeon?

[cedar dawn]

#dnd-content message

[shadow knoll]

what is the role of rogue if wizard can stealth better, and be ranged ?

i think if rogue get a kill, it should reset the hide cooldown

[bitter locust]

Where do I donate to the developers or when can I buy the early access

[polar yoke]

are they actually going to include the 13 classic dnd classes?

[cedar dawn]

i hope so

[runic warren]

Wizard's Invis only lasts for four seconds. Now, the invis'd target can move at full speed for four seconds, but the Rogue's Hide lasts for 40 seconds IIRC, and he also has access to perks that boost his damage for a few seconds after he leaves invisibility.

[fathom crow]

Walking lockpick

Btw does your stuff wipe every playtest?

And can the cleric heal himself with the holy light spell?

[runic warren]

Nope; only the Lesser Heal spell. Holy Light can also be used against Undead, however.

[fathom crow]

Yeah, and you can heal teammates with it aswell. Good to know

[tacit steeple]

Sort of, if you heal an ally you get back 15%(perk) + Magic HEaling from gear

[modern spindle]

Are the devs happy so far with the data they have gathered from playtests?

[wary hinge]

@modern spindle they will release the data next week and we should get some comments too.

[ionic oracle]

Anybody know about any plans for this at all, or even any acknowledgement of this by the devs?

I really want to play the game but am worried I won't be able to due to my fear of the 8-legged stun-lock beasts. 😅

[sleek lantern]

there will be an announcement about that sometime next week

[sleek lantern]

yes

[burnt badger]

Can we have more spiders? Like a big one that could be a reference to Frodo in lord of the rings?
example: You enter a room and while you are looting a giant spider goes down the ceiling and puts you in her web.

I would also love a spider boss with different phases, maybe targeted towards group content? Once you kill it it becomes multiple little spiders

https://tenor.com/view/squish-you-got-this-have-gif-19370787

Kinda like this

[hollow heath]

Hi all!
Wanted to ask if the map will be the same or you're considering some sort of automatic map generation

[glad ember]

They like the idea of the same map without procedural generation but there will likely be multiple maps for variety

[hasty nest]

Will there be an easier way to switch characters while in a current party?

[late zinc]

we need voice chat pls @whole sluice

[whole sluice]

I am but a humble cow

[hardy ingot]

And also not A Dev we need to make that clear 😉. Got you Mad👍.

[celest mural]

Cow can only answer questions has little influence on development but VOIP should be coming soon

[pure garnet]

Proximity Voice Chat would be awesome 🙂

[versed elbow]

yeah voip is gonna be fun as fuck

[upper cairn]

Will there be playable fantasy races

[wraith veldt]

I like proximity chat but I do agree with others voicing concerns about breaking immersion

I suppose I could always turn it off

[strong sun]

it’d make some really funny moments though. naked clerics running around

yelling while getting chased

[restive aspen]

Don’t let him fool you, he has massive pull

[zinc flame]

is this game actually out ? I watched it on a stream with a few friends and we all wanted to play it butit doesnt seem to be available on steam 😦

[wraith veldt]

The game had a alpha test number two last weekend. I believe they are expecting to make an announcement in the coming week on when the next alpha test will be. The actual full release is not scheduled until quarter 3 of next year

[zinc flame]

Oh thats a shame, looks great

[mystic smelt]

You’ll be able to play end of month. They’ve done it 3 months in a row now so probably will continue that

[restive aspen]

I think I saw somewhere they wanted to do multiple play tests up to release so we’ll get plenty of chances to play

[viscid mist]

it shows on my steam downloads that Dark and Darker has an update tomorrow so maybe a test play? 🤞

[whole sluice]

Heh, the only pull I have is the pull ups I have for my kids 😄

[velvet summit]

Doubt. They said they'd announce when next one was in a week.

[sinful trench]

Is there any plan to implement more advanced melee mechanics, like a system found in chivalry or mordhau?

[olive canopy]

I hope they add the chivalry and mordhau swinging mechanic I'm sick and tired of accidentally hitting my team mate because of 1 swinging direction with the maul

[lavish elk]

I've heard the maul requires a good grasp of dragging and accel. Never had enough of the things to figure it out myself.

[olive canopy]

It's fun to use for me it's the most satisfying weapon to use I just wish it wasn't so fucking slow

[versed elbow]

when the stats actually work right the right gear rolls will make them nicer to use

lets hope next playtest has more of the stats like resourcefullness ect implimented in some way

[lavish elk]

The stats on the maul are fine, basic or gold the thing is just slow and has a crappy animation.

[fathom crow]

Does the boss room in b3 randomly spawn either the lich or the ghost king?

And if so, which one is easier to kill?

[floral carbon]

Agility is said to provide Move Speed, Action Speed, Equip Speed, and Interaction Speed. What is the difference between Action Speed and Interaction Speed? Is Action speed just attack speed? Anything else?

[rich warren]

It's really, really good with accels and decels if you're going up against someone with a shield otherwise accels all the way.

The slow animation and wide arc are a boon if you know how to manipulate it properly and have teammates who respect the death arc from it

[whole sluice]

Action speed is anything you do with you personally. Attack, Swap weapons/gear, Chug Potions, Bandage etc.. Interaction Speed (Regular) is interacting with things in the dungeon like Torches, Doors, Chests etc...

[floral carbon]

Thanks. Does magical healing only work for cleric or does it work for abilities like Ranger's Forage?

[whole sluice]

Unless it says magic it's phys. I didn't test a lot of the spell like stuff this test so I can't verify 100%, but pretty sure Field Ration was Phys. Healing along with bandages and potions etc...

[floral carbon]

I'll have to test when we get access again haha. Do you have any formulas figured out yet? For armor rating for example? I know the first 10 brought you from -10% to 0%... but after that it didn't look quite linear anymore so I didn't explore further.

[whole sluice]

It's a curve that you get less armor per point until you hit 146-19 and then it goes back up

[floral carbon]

Yes, I'm looking for the actual function so I can put it in a spreadsheet. 🙂

[whole sluice]

So like this in the early

Oh F I can't post shit in here anymore -.-

And there is no function

[floral carbon]

?? A curve you described is a function, no?

[whole sluice]

omg this channel sucks now that I can't post

[floral carbon]

Input -> output... theres math behidn it lol

[whole sluice]

There is not a set ratio

Go to share content

So like, there isn't a set formula that we can use as you can see

There are just 'threshold' anchors where the formula changes

[floral carbon]

Wouldn't that just be considered a piecewise function then?

Thank you by the way!

[whole sluice]

I mean it could be that, but without having more time and input I wouldn't feel confident in provided a formula

[floral carbon]

Yeah fair enough.

[whole sluice]

Easiest way to say is the first 30 armor is massive, then it slows down slowly until 146-149 and then 150 and up it starts getting a lot more pet point

@sage lagoon
Having 0 armor makes you have -10% phys. reduction meaning you actually TAKE 10% more damage. Hitting 10 armor nets you 0 phys. defense reduction. It's the 'neutral stat' for armor. Just like stats have neutral stats at 15 (With 1 exception)

[sage lagoon]

thank you

[whole sluice]

Sorry, 5 min slowdown is rough enough, but also not best place to discuss 😄

[sage lagoon]

I understand

[floral carbon]

The reason I was asking is because I wondered what the optimal balance of HP and AR would be so I don't get 1 tapped by a barb as a rogue hahaha. One little mis-step and you get an axe to the head. Say goodnight.

[whole sluice]

Depends on the class and how much armor you could get to tbh

[floral carbon]

Even the poor quality and normal quality axes are so strong

[lavish elk]

Not a lot you can do about that into barbs, they can ignore a huge chunk of armour.

[whole sluice]

That being said, armor and HP/Str don't really compete for space

[lavish elk]

Best bet is to dodge or try to get them to hit a limb if you can.

[floral carbon]

You're right, they don't. But sometimes the piece of armor you have with the best stat roll has less armor.

[whole sluice]

I mean I guess. But 1 Str, or 2 HP will almost always be better than even 15 armor in the vast majority of situations because you can't reduce HP effectiveness. The onyl times that would be different would be extremely low armor values or extremely high armor values

[floral carbon]

Yeah STR seemed to be really strong in the playtest but I didn't really figure that out until the end.

I wonder if it will be nerfed? Seemed like it would be a valuable stat for all classes.

How much HP was given per STR in this most recent test?

[whole sluice]

Maybe, balance always changes

Roughly 2 per 1 str. There are a few exceptions but again, not really applicable currently

That being said, I still say AGI is the 'god' stat and every playtest I've been saying it should be reworked 😄

[lavish elk]

AGI will probably always be the good stat as long as speed is the best and often only defense,

[floral carbon]

Yeah of course. My thought process was that it might be nice to have whatever combination of stats that can afford me 1 extra hit before dying, even if that last hit is just my last 1 hp. Then maxing out on mobility/utility/speed whatever would feel good. Obviously we don't get to really pick and choose our stats all the time, but something to think about when I'm shopping in the trade channel.

[lavish elk]

I don't think the rogue has enough base HP for that to really matter, best you can really hope for it to not be hit in the head or force limb hits.

[sleek spire]

Have they said anything about having injuries like Tarkov, aka some more gold sinks, more specific meds? I think that could be cool but also maybe it doesn’t feel right in this game

[floral carbon]

I haven't seen anything said about that level of realism so far.

[twilit shadow]

About translation, will it have some portuguese version?

[tacit steeple]

@whole sluice What exactly counts as Veteran Adventurer points?

[whole sluice]

Don't have the formula. Way too time consuming and difficult to do 1 thing, leave record data, go in, do 1 other different thing, record data etc... That being said, I would wager that most of the points is from opening locked/higher rarity chests, and killing elite enemies and mini bosses (Wraiths/Skeletal Captains)

[echo kindle]

Have devs ever said anything about adding somekind of dodge or quick sidestep or anything to the game?

[wispy lintel]

quick question, do you get good exp from killing players? or just mobs?

[steady holly]

Not that i've seen, but i'd love a quick step for rogue

[cedar dawn]

u can already move super fast i dont see any point

[echo kindle]

how do I move superfast?

[whole sluice]

You do get xp, but it doesn't seem like a lot, but it's hard to quantify what is 'a lot'

[cedar dawn]

naked rogue with fists out

[wispy lintel]

i found the stash too small, if you get well equipment you dont have room to stash it

[lavish elk]

Pick up a speed shrine and zoom around while you're at it.

[echo kindle]

but i don't play a rogue and I was thinking about during fights. the game just feels like it lacks so many options once engaged in a fight with some of the classes. like no weapon blocking or parrying, no little sideways dodge or anything. makes you feel so helpless when you don't have a shield for example. like barbarian just has to get hit and that's it

[fossil spruce]

when can i play again, i need my fix

[cedar dawn]

yeah the melee is severely lacking, i hope they improve it next test then id actually wanna play

[lavish elk]

No joke just take out your fists, they do fairly high damage and you're fast enough to dodge whatever.

[cedar dawn]

dodge works better in dark souls/3rd person games. i wouldn't want it in a 1st person dungeon crawler

[echo kindle]

@whole sluice did the devs ever say if the current graphics and models are mostly placeholder? are they gonna redo the look of the game, seeing how it's UE5?

[whole sluice]

They haven't said anything. They have been upgrading things between play tests but unknown if they are actively seeking the old school dungeon delving aesthetics

[echo kindle]

ah gotcha, thanks

[real hamlet]

when is next playlis

[gleaming zenith]

hasnt been announced yet. we should get a date sometime next week

[real hamlet]

ok thx

[graceful widget]

hi how can i uninstall the game ? its still installed...

[steady holly]

find it on steam and click "uninstall"

[fathom crow]

Do the lich and the ghost king spawn in the same room? And which one is easier?

[storm aspen]

No they don't. Ghost King is probably harder than Lich atm (when you don't exploit or cheese)

[fathom crow]

Alright, so they have different rooms? Anyone have a map of b3 as im not too familiar with it?

[storm aspen]

There's 2 layouts of B3

1 will have lich in the middle, 1 will have ghostking

Pretty sure there's also 3 layouts of b2 as well

[neat bramble]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/ylmvpx/the_3rd_floor_map_of_all_2_locations_lich_and/

[lavish elk]

I think there's a B2Aa, a B2Ab, and a B2B yeah, two completely different maps, with a varient map of one of them.

[fathom crow]

alright thanks guys, might try to kill one next playtest

[neat bramble]

aren't all 3 wildly different?

[lavish elk]

Maybe? I think two of them are fairly similar.

[wispy lintel]

can you solo kill lich and ghosking?

[storm aspen]

When you judge the layout by whats in the middle, they're pretty different. I think there is some rooms that are reused, but the circle almost always ends in that middle room.

[subtle anvil]

how can i register for next playtest?

[cedar dawn]

u don't

[subtle anvil]

so every1 has access?

[cedar dawn]

yea

[neat bramble]

if you're fully stacked and know all the mechanics, then probably, but they'll most likely get changed in some ways every playtest anyway

[wispy lichen]

when is the leaderboard for last playtest going to be released?

[whole dune]

How much Dmg do you lose fireballing the ground near them instead of their face

[acoustic zenith]

if you drink 2 healing potions will you receive all the healing from both?

[acoustic heath]

Is it next week yet?....

[lavish elk]

No, drinking a second while the first is still healing you only partially heals you. They give a status effect and drinking another before thatcruns out refreshes the effect, but does not stack.

[mild dock]

does anyone know the formula for armor to damage reduction?

[lavish elk]

Easier then typing it out, sorry.

[whole sluice]

Best way to explain without visuals is that there is a curve. The first 30 points of armor make the most difference, then it slowly loses value per point until 146-149. At 150 You start the curve going back up and gain slightly better gains per point after that

[mild dock]

Thanks for that but i've already plotted a lot of points including the pre 10 negative ones. I've been trying to find the curve to make it exact / easier to use in my armor comparer

[whole sluice]

The problem is that there are thereshold marker blocks meaning there is no 'formula' as it changes on different values

[mild dock]

The post 150 armor maybe whats causing my calculations to be off. I didn't play fighter much so i never tested up above 150

[whole sluice]

Even before 150 though the values you get change like so

Fuck not being able to post images in this channel anymore -.-

[mild dock]

i now every point pre 50

know

[whole sluice]

I have everything up to high 200s

[mild dock]

for every point? I only got batches of 5-10 after 50

[whole sluice]

Yup

[mild dock]

can i get that sheet

[whole sluice]

No, I'm working on a player's handbook with it

[mild dock]

I've been working on a YT video for armor explaining it and BIS etc. as well. Just trying to finish the DR calcs first

I'm still trying to figure out why they would increment the DR by like -1% under 10, .5% to 20, .4% to 30, etc. It just seems bizarre to not use an actual formula

[whole sluice]

My guess is to balance going 'pure' nekkid

So you take more damage for not at least wearing something

And all stats have a neutral value. All stats are 15 (With 1 weird exception)

[stuck mica]

I was never able to figure it out during the playtest, but was it ever confirmed that reckless attack had the potential to put you at -70% absorption?

When your armor is 0 i mean

[whole sluice]

And armor is 10

[lavish elk]

Now if only pure naked wasn't good because you're able to just not take damage. :p

[whole sluice]

If there is a value for negative 10% I'm sure that means you can keep going

[mild dock]

I get the whole DND theme of below the average being a negative but it's easy enough to do a formula like ARMOR/(ARMOR+100)-.1 to get the same effect

[whole sluice]

Put it in feedback then, I'm just going from what I was able to do/test

[stuck mica]

Do the training dummies in lobby have armor percentage? Because using reckless attack on them nets the same damage as a regular attack.

[mild dock]

a lot of things don't work on the dummies from what I tested

[lavish elk]

Don't think they do.

[whole sluice]

I'm 99% sure the test dummy has 0 armor so -10%

Test dummy was pretty consistent for my tests

[stuck mica]

What about npc enemies???

[whole sluice]

I didn't bother with enemy data. Had way too many other things to test

[mild dock]

do you not agree that it should be a formula or it that it just doesn't matter

[stuck mica]

Fair nuff

[whole sluice]

I personally like thresholds

Makes it so you can balance 'tiers' of armor instead of just having 1 formula

[lavish elk]

Not using a consistent formula isn't a bad thing, yeah.

[stuck mica]

I like the current defense system, it reminds me of dark souls, although, i wish some armors had flat resistances like plate.

[whole sluice]

Also makes it so that BiS is not always going to be just whatever gives you the most AC, and it also helps with move speed penalties

Because threholds make some armor better move to armor ratio. Do you go for only speed low armor, mid armor med speed, or high armor low speed

[mild dock]

from what i could tell you drop down to like .1% after 50 armor. That 50 armor is a blue regal gambeson so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me I guess.

[whole sluice]

With a constant formula that doesn't happen

[stuck mica]

Things like heavy armor mastery and arcane ward have the potential to be busted considering their flat reductions

[whole sluice]

-.- I can't even post my damn data

[mild dock]

wtf oops

[whole sluice]

This channel sucks now 😄

[stuck mica]

Lol

[mild dock]

you can dm me if you want me to see something

[whole sluice]

omg

-.-

[lavish elk]

The point is that you hit like 100 armour and you start getting 5% per point like you got with 16 armour (numbers not right, used as example(.

[whole sluice]

It's all good, my stuff will come out eventually. That being said, I like the current way tbh. Just harder to find the thresholds, but once you do it's good

Well at 10 armor you get .5% phys reduction per armor until 10 armor

So the first 20 armor you get is SUPER good

[mild dock]

and then its .4% etc

[whole sluice]

It slowly diminishing from .5 to .4 from 20-40

[lavish elk]

Its a system of diminishing returns with thresholds that reset the values.

[whole sluice]

Then it's .4 to .3 over to 60

But once you hit 150

You start increase value per point again

So low armor gives decent gains, mid armor is so so, and high armor decent gains again

It means 'most' will fall into that middle area which is sufficient, but doesn't make you need 500 armor for decent reduction

Also makes it so Wizards can at least get 'some' phys reduction

Assuming BiS JUST for max armor, Wiz can get... lemme calkc

[stuck mica]

Its a shame because i love wearing medium armor as a barbarian

[lavish elk]

It does make low-mid tier heavy armour be in a really bad place though which is annoying.

[mild dock]

thats not what i have recorded at all? I have it drop from .4 to .3 % around 30 not 60

[simple jay]

Are we allowed test level 1 floor with the 30+ players in the next playtest?

[stuck mica]

Probably too soon to ask

Im guessing they will mention it in an announcement or something.

[mild dock]

assuming lightfoot boots im showing wizard around 140-150 in full yellow gear

[mild dock]

the negative 30 and 35 armors even at super high rarities are still have really low ratios in armor to movement speed loss

[whole sluice]

Heavy Boots 19 Armor
Reinforced Gloves 15 Armor
Leather Cap 22 Armor
Heavy Leather Leggings 42 Armor
Regal Gambeson 69 Armor
Thats a total of 167 armor which is:
Armor Physical Dmg. Reduction Difference from 10 Per point? Difference
167 34.00% 157 0.2166% 0.00053%

[stuck mica]

Leather cap need a bit of a nerf i think considering it can be used by every class

[mild dock]

do you think heavy boots is worth not going lightfoot? Lightfoot is always best to me assuming you can get best gear

[lavish elk]

I think heavy armour in general is a trap, yeah, but at least the high tier stuff gets past the dimisnished returns.

[whole sluice]

No, I'm just saying max armor

Lightfoot is stil best boots in the game imo

[mild dock]

ah

[mild dock]

considering most classes unique head piece is trash (cowl, hood, wizard hat) i'm not sure they should yet. Maybe just buff the trash items

[whole sluice]

My guess is class uniques will eventually get specialize prefix/suffix pools

I.E. barb helm always has at least +str/Phys reduc or something like that

[mild dock]

well for now i throw that shit on the ground

[restive aspen]

has anyone thought of crafting yet?

[whole sluice]

Crafting is something they already mentioned wanting

[restive aspen]

ah didn't see that

[whole sluice]

There is a lot of sources of information

They need a CM to be the mouthpiece 😄

[mild dock]

something like POE crafting iid imagine

[whole sluice]

Possibly. PoE does a lot of things right, some things wrong, but I love PoE so I'd be happy 😄

[mild dock]

lootable crafting reagants that you have to make it out with seems right for this game

[whole sluice]

The fact that Devs give answers in DMs about stuff for the game is... odd 😄

[stuck mica]

That may be a good idea, but the weight to damage absorption ratio is scuffed atm, the barbarians starting helm in comparison to the leather cap is silly, youre better off with a leather cap 100% of the time unless you get like a purple barbarian helm... same goes for gambersons, a regular gamberson has 25 armor and i think the nordic tunic has like 30... at the cost of -10 move speed.

[whole sluice]

Just have one section for that 😉

[restive aspen]

my first experience of PoE was accidentally selecting hardcore mode not knowing i did, i died and lost everything

[whole sluice]

I mean, it's not that bad at levels

[lavish elk]

Depends, crafting in tarkov is kinda meh in a lot of ways.

[whole sluice]

Gjermundbu_5001 Head ArmorRating 35 37 36.0 -4.5
LeatherCap_5001 Head ArmorRating 21 22 21.5 -4.3

The last number is movement speed penalty to armor

[mild dock]

actually Gjermundbu has the best armor to move speed in game at all rarities i think

[whole sluice]

4.5 to 4.3 isn't terrible

[stuck mica]

Not good either

Idk if you main barb but i can feel the difference

Even if its just a little

I agree though its not as bad as i initially remembered

[lavish elk]

.2 for a near 33% armour up on a class that rewards you for wearing less armour items is nice.

[whole sluice]

The best armor to move ratio is actually the Doublet. Technically it's Heavy Gauntlet, but because all other gloves don't have armor penalties at all I don't put that

After that is Mystic Vestments of al things, then Loose Trousers

[mild dock]

This game is currently as like tarkov as it needs to be. I swear to god If i have to do a 15 second channel in the middle of giant room getting shot by rangers for a quest or have to kill the lich 100 times I'm going to PISSED

[mild dock]

I meant helmet

[whole sluice]

Just remember, for most people, it's better to be pissed off than on 😄

[restive aspen]

the devilish one, you have to kill lich 100 times to get his coat

[stuck mica]

The weird thing about that is theres like 3 variations of regular gjermundbu, same goes for leather helm

[lavish elk]

Speak for yourself. >_>

:p

[whole sluice]

Hence most people 😄

[whole sluice]

Umm.. no?

The only variations are the rotted, Ratted etc.. starting gear

[mild dock]

I haven't seen that either. grey, blue , white items are always identical for me

[lavish elk]

I meant purely on the crafting aspect of tarkov.

[whole sluice]

Ironically enough the starting items are straight up worse than their grey counterparts in the dungeon 😄 I didn't know for the longest time

[stuck mica]

May be explaining poorly, im not talking about just starting gear, just "white" ranked gear.

[mild dock]

yah. I think they should steal crafting for POE instead.

[stuck mica]

The starting helm is like 14 defense, then theres another for 18 defense, and a third for 20 but i rarely find them.

[whole sluice]

But there is only 1 white Gjemandu. They have different value ranges, but they are the same otherwise

[lavish elk]

The biggest problem with a lot of crafting is that its just not designed into the game. There's almost no reason to craft anything in tarkov for instance.

[mild dock]

yah starter gear is straight trash that should be replaced almost immediately for every class. So for me it's not even really worth considering

[whole sluice]

It's on my table, but I don't put it in anything

[lavish elk]

Your hands are better then most the basic weapons.

[whole sluice]

Anyway, this is spilling WAY out of Q&A 😄

[mild dock]

smite cleric throwing hands BABYYYY

[stuck mica]

If its in the next playtest, ill try to screenshot what i mean, dont want to go on a tangent when with short term memory.

[mild dock]

whats the eta on you handbook?

[whole sluice]

When it's done (tm) 😄

[lavish elk]

Soon(TM)

[whole sluice]

I can show a quick sneak peek

Party 0-2

[mild dock]

unless the party is full lol

[whole sluice]

Ok, getting slot open party 3

[serene fractal]

If you aren't crafting in tarkov you're not running good ammo

[tawny axle]

Except 993 comes from gluy

[pine wraith]

When is next playtest? I thought there's gonna be an announcement this week?

[cunning lion]

they said "next week" posted on NOV 2 . its only been 3 days.

[fossil spruce]

who dick do i have to suck to get tester

[ashen river]

So does wearing a helmet just add defense to your over all starts or does it specifically add defense tp your head?

[lavish elk]

Its global.

[thorny crescent]

are there easter eggs in the game

[vapid frost]

It’s global? Are you sure? Cause there’s head shot damage modifier so I would have assumed that helmet would add head protection specifically.

[lavish elk]

Its global, there's just also a headshot multiplier.

[vapid frost]

Ahhhh okay.

[mild dock]

For barbarian the skill that lowers armor by 20% and gives you speed (forget the name), does it lower your armor score by 20% or your damage reduction by 20%?

[acoustic heath]

Need this game to be released already...

[ashen river]

So would a grey helmet giving 10 armor be the same as a chestplate giving 10 armor?

[lavish elk]

Ye

Aside from the movement penalties.

[last garnet]

I need another playtest. Or i will make the worse choice..

[cedar dawn]

soon

[tame violet]

Tavern has some for previous playtest top players

[wispy lintel]

can a wraith step on a bear trap?

[opaque zodiac]

Does protection negate all damage of one hit or just 20 and the rest bleeds over? Does cleric protection, potion protection, protection shrines and wizard protection all stack?

[mild dock]

from what i could tell they all stack. the shrine is a % damage reduction not a "Shield" per se. And I believe it lasts until its consumed so not a single hit.

[opaque zodiac]

Right but, say cleric protection is removed in one hit by a high dmg bow. Does it negate that hit or bleed over?

[mild dock]

cleric shields for 20 damage lets say. gets hit for 25 damage. You take 5 health damage and your shield is gone

[opaque zodiac]

Thanks, that’s what I thought but wasn’t sure. Any way to boost it?

[mild dock]

i believe cleric spells are all boost by the will stat. So you arent actually shield for 20. More like 30-40+ once you get some decent gear. for potions higher rarity give +5 to the shield per rarity from what i can tell. wizard shield i have no idea. It might scale with will. It might not.

[opaque zodiac]

Thank you

[terse harbor]

does cleric perseverance passive work on individual damage ticks from rogue or mage dots?

[lavish elk]

I've been told it does, but I don't have any actual evidence.

[untold wadi]

Does the Rogue's poison scale with any stats? or its just fixed dmg?

[terse harbor]

thx

[twilit moat]

It should scale with magical damage since I believe it was labeled as a magical buff on your weapons, but I could be wrong.

[cursive hound]

When/if they have another early access playtest how do you join?

[wind dagger]

They are going to announce it next week. We don’t know when yet. You can search the game on steam and download the test play!

[cursive hound]

Thanks

[wraith veldt]

You may need to wait until the next test but during the last test, there was a "sign up" button on the games steam page and when you clicked it, you got access immediately. Not sure how it'll work next time around but that's what I did. @whole sluice would be able to confirm for you with greater detail

[untold wadi]

So does it scales with "Will" then?

[nimble loom]

Hey, I am new to the discord, is the game in dev? coming out in 2023?

Looks awesome on youtube

[opaque zodiac]

In dev—game is slated to come out 4th quarter of 2023.

[twilit moat]

Hmm idk I've mainly used items that have additional magical percent damage or adds true magical damage, I havent tested if poison would scale with will. It wouldn't surprise me either way, however, agility is way more valuable to a rogue than will.

[untold wadi]

oh yeah, AGI always top priority.

Gonna have to test that theory in the next playtest.

[twilit moat]

For sure man. Hope it goes well and good luck in the next playtest!

[native hill]

ill pay 40$ right now.
it will help the development of the game and i get to play it

why not?

[open lagoon]

because it's a small team and time spent maintaining servers is less time making the game

[lavish elk]

Game is slated to be out end of next year assuming no delays, and we're getting frequent playtests in the meantime.

[weak meteor]

the devs already have the game fully funded so they don't need to put it in early access

[pine wraith]

Too long. Too far away hype will die down

[polar yoke]

good riddance to hype train gamers

[fossil spruce]

whos dick can i suck to play the game

[raven beacon]

For lock picking what is the difference between landing in the yellow space and the red?

[keen crown]

What are the odds of the devs listening to our pleas and releasing the game? Need to hop back in now for 14 hours straight!

[pearl flax]

Wasn't red = instant unlock, and the rest of the space meant you succeeded, but you have to wait for the bar to fill up all the way

[keen crown]

Yea no thats how communities get hurt/ruined. Hype is good, too much is bad, or wait to long and the game fizzles out or gets overshadowed by bigger titles. Dropping now or within the next couple months, would ensure a high player count. So many good games have fallen to taking forever to launch. There is such a thing as trying to hard for perfection. The game is 100% playable as is, hell its arguably pretty complete, minus the skill tree.

[polar yoke]

yeah I really enjoyed watching New World ride the hype train from 3 million accounts down to 20k concurrent

[keen crown]

well tbh new world needed more time to bake in the oven. Great ideas and some amazing mechnics but they were worried about the wrong things, instead of fixing servers and gold dupes, they were more worried about nerfing weapons lol ironically im redownloading it to give it another go, but damn it felt barebones when it launched.

[polar yoke]

It's still just as unfinished, they've spent a year progressing in all the wrong directions because the hype train left them with a very unclear path forward

More time in the oven prior to launch would have benefitted them greatly

[wicked summit]

or forgotten

[lavish elk]

One year ain't a long development time if the Steam page is truely the desired release time.

[distant stream]

are there more class coming or we dont know yet? TY

[royal island]

When will soone next week be?!?!?!

[lavish elk]

After tomorrow.

[mild dock]

i tested it and it seemed to work on the rogue dots

[whole sluice]

Officially the only confirmed class will be the upcoming Bard. We don't have any information on it at the moment. There was a sneak peek of other upcoming classes that are hinted to be the following (In no particular order) Artificer, Druid, Monk, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock

[fervent sentinel]

Stuff like this is why they are not releasing yet. They won't make the same mistake

[fervent sentinel]

Artificer is my favourite DnD class. Really curious what it will be like in DaD

[cursive ridge]

holy shit they're adding that?

[whole sluice]

Personally I think A for Assassin fits more than artificer, but thats just me

[cursive ridge]

we already have rogue

[whole sluice]

Rogue =/= Assassin

[cursive ridge]

but they're close and there's nothing like an artificer

[whole sluice]

I think splitting up Rogues abilities and adding a few more sneaky ones to Rogue and taking most of the damage ones to assassin makes more sense to me

I mean, how much different will Paladin be than a smite cleric now? Or a sorc and Wizard?

There will be overlap tbh

[native mural]

you have to keep backstab or extra dmg off of sneak for rogue

[cursive ridge]

I think an assassin would be more like a rogue subclass honestly

[whole sluice]

They mentioned subclassing? I know they said multiclassing (As a possibility) but first I'm hearing confirmation of subclassing

[cursive ridge]

I don't know if they have, but if they do then that's what i think will happen if they add an assassin

[whole sluice]

Oh, so just guessing. I see

[cursive ridge]

yep

[native mural]

thats would be pretty neat, maybe like a dagger or poison focus, but sneak attack is rogues whole thing in d&d

[cursive ridge]

I know lol, the amount of things you can pull off with stealth is awesome, I see how assassin could be it's own class now

[fervent sentinel]

In DnD assassin is a subclass of rogue. I don't see how it would be its own class here. You can probably build a sneaky or a damage rogue with all the unreleased customization

[native mural]

im excited to see what the devs have in store for us, I can tell theyre passionate and want to stay true to their roots

the game feels like I'm fully experiencing classic gygax dungeon crawling bliss

[cursive ridge]

I would prefer a subclass but I don't know if that would allow enough change, but I'm not a dev lol. Subclass sounds better to me still

[native mural]

customization could definitely allow you to build an assassin from a rogue by focusing poisons and combat tricks

[cursive ridge]

good point

[native mural]

the ability to move while stealthed as a rogue already feels like an assassin ability

[cursive ridge]

now I want a necromancer wizard

[velvet summit]

But they were in hopes of releasing Q2 of next year for early access.

[celest mural]

I’m stilling leaning towards alchemist or even antipaladin

[median yarrow]

Will the game be better optimized

More then it is now

[cyan dragon]

Did they announce when the next playtest is gonna be?

[lapis yarrow]

So my question is that is there gonna be any additional classes added in?

[winged girder]

Bard has been announced but other than that we can only speculate what other DnD type characters we get

[solemn mango]

Considering you could accidentally cast heals / whatever cleric spells on dead mobs, it seems enemies retain their entity state after death. Real big possibility that this is planned already

[tacit hazel]

if you scroll up literally theres a conversation about it not even 20 messages up lmao

[winged girder]

Am at work mate. Just was checking discord on my break and replied. 🙂

[tacit hazel]

oh bro i replied to the wrong person lmao yr good

[median yarrow]

A magus class

[versed elbow]

yeah i dont mind overlap to be honest i just want more dungeons and dragons type shit introduced idc if its busted or not just having that unique experience is a reward in itsself

maybe add an offline mode we can play between playtests?

anyone else up for that

[cursive ridge]

yep

[versed elbow]

it would be pointless sure but a good time waster

[cursive ridge]

wouldn't be pointless, it would be fun

[terse harbor]

any giga chad here that knows if cleric perseverance passive decreases the death swarm damage?

[fervent sentinel]

That is an excellent question

[whole sluice]

It does not. If I had to guess on the back end I'm pretty sure it's because it's just 'true' damage and bypasses everything

[terse harbor]

oh that makes sense

[gritty ginkgo]

cleric main here, didn't notice anything different when perserverence was on

What games you guys think would be good to practice for the next playtest? Gaming is essentially dead to me now. I don't want to play anything else if it won't make me better at DnD. Mordhau?

[golden ocean]

No mordhau is just feinting and parrying, it's basically a mechanic fest of feign feign feign, if anything, chivalry will be better and you will have more fun

[sleek spire]

Do we know how many dungeons they plan to launch with

[lavish elk]

There's going to be at least three floors for sure, no idea on level variations, or seperate collections.

[quaint solstice]

Chiv 2 decently similar. It's a bit more fast paced though

[late portal]

Dungeon we have right now plans to have one more floor (the forest) above the crypt. Those three floors are supposed to complete first dungeon. We haven't seen any of their goals for the full release of the game yet.

[shy breach]

play CHivalry knight class w/ sword, shield, slow enough to simulate DaD

[vast panther]

Q? Were can i get acces to the beta?

[versed nymph]

@gritty ginkgo Mordhau is fine don't listen to these absolute noobs that fall for feigns all the time they need to git gud. Chivalry 2 will bore you out of your mind for 10$ extra

[lavish elk]

Feigns ain't transferable to DnD which was the question, games with transferable skills.

[versed nymph]

Bruh you know you can feign in DnD right?

[lavish elk]

We might be thinking about separate things, starting a swing and dragging it to a different body part ain't what I understand to be a feign as far as video games go.

[versed nymph]

It's when you pretend to attack to get the advantage on the next hit

[hearty junco]

who do I talk to about becoming a partnered creator?

[dawn plaza]

Contact Luci or Wolfkyri they can help you with that.

[exotic bone]

Is there any way we can support the creators of the game? i know they've said they've got the full budget for the game but it'd be great if we could show additional support :D!!!

[dawn plaza]

There is currently no way to support it

[exotic bone]

Is there plans for a patreon or something of sorts?

[dawn plaza]

No nothing yet

[exotic bone]

Sadness, thank you! ❤️

[tardy dove]

I have a suggestion and I don't know if this is the right chat for it. But I believe a guild system would be pretty cool that way you can friend the people you play with and play together easier.

[glad pewter]

Did Will increase Clerics healing power, Wiz spell damage, or both?

[sleek spire]

There is so much they can do with this game. Eventually maybe they have 6 dungeons but 3 are high level, or maybe they have different types of gear. Maybe some seasons only have certain classes and dungeons and they rotate

[dawn plaza]

You can post suggestions in #feedback-hidden-archive and yes a guild system will get into the game! Check out the pinned message in #the-tavern. There was a spontaneous Q&A.

[soft oar]

Wiz spell dmg

[glad pewter]

Thank you

[tardy dove]

thank you

[soft oar]

And buff/curse duration

So haste and slow ig

Don't think cleric heals are counted as buffs

[glad pewter]

Correct. I know some stats overlap/compliment each other. Just trying to theorize in my head on Clerics healing. But I think the only way would be for "magic healing" which improves healing received.

[soft oar]

Magical healing is already a thing technically, maybe it's an item only attribute at the moment

Or not yet implemented

[whole sluice]

Will increases magic power which includes heals

[soft oar]

Oh shi i can't send pictures hmm

Well they are listed as two different things tho

• Magical Power - Increase your overall spell power.
• Magical Healing - Increase the magical healing amount you receive from a healing spell.

Oh wait it says receive

So magical healing is an attribute found on armors?

Or is it a stat in the character menu?

Never noticed it in the stats sheet but I haven't spent much time there admittedly

[drowsy tartan]

do you plan on adding a rank system? I know there are the leaderboards but maybe a mmr system/hidden mmr?

[stuck mica]

Does anyone know if the planned floor 1/forest area is going to be during daytime or nighttime? I really hope its at night, considering the themes of the game.

[keen sluice]

I could be wrong, but I think I remember them saying they didn't want a mmr system.

[twilit moat]

Is there a possibility of merch being sold in the near future?

[drowsy tartan]

interesting

[vocal void]

l- x 0

[terse harbor]

do shields from potions stack with cleric shields?

[paper crest]

Will there be dmg/kill charts upon death or completion ?

[stuck mica]

Yes i think

[snow pawn]

Can you accidentally heal an enemy AI or enemy player as a cleric?

[minor berry]

sure can

[snow pawn]

Lol thx

[pearl flax]

Yeah, man- accidentally blessed a wraith mid-fight, and accidentally layered on Protection onto another Wraith in a separate instance.

[snow pawn]

Your team must love u

[pearl flax]

Yeah... I think they hung around for one more game after that

[snow pawn]

I miss Dark and darker im in need to play test again

[olive owl]

You can also judgment teammates

Really look out for that one

[tawny bobcat]

how many developers are currently working on this?

[dawn plaza]

Around 20 developers

[tawny bobcat]

20 people doing gods work

bless

[dawn plaza]

🙏 We can all agree

[rugged axle]

Dark & Darker | Dev Q&A | New Map | New Classes | VOIP | Ranked | Private Lobbies | AH | Road Map+
https://youtu.be/uKULTFV9HRM Its a possibility but unlikely.

[pearl flax]

Anyone know if a thief will get EXP for disarming dungeon traps?

[river pulsar]

Not before cleric gets healing XP

[jade magnet]

thief can disarm dungeon traps ?

[tardy dove]

when the next playtest comes out will all progress be the same or is it a hard reset for everything?

[gaunt otter]

^^^

[lavish elk]

Its reset every time so far.

[wraith veldt]

Yes, if they have the special ability set

[pearl flax]

Yeah I ran around for several hours doing nothing but disarming all of the swinging blade traps in hallways, floor spikes, troll wall spikes (the ones that stab you when you reach down for suspiciously placed loot, or stabbed that pop out straight above a closed chest).
But, I'd also fight a lot, so I wasn't sure if I was getting an EXP or not doing that

[lapis ledge]

It always gets reset

lets everyone grind together without instant stomps

[sturdy cosmos]

Hey does anyone know if they’re going to use the veteran adventurer scoring leaderboard as a way to assign the VA role in discord or in game? Like an apex predator rank for apex. Like top 10 or so in the leaderboard gets the role for following wipes.

[versed egret]

Veteran Adventurer : The player who achieved 1st place in the leaderboard ranking in each playtest

this is from updated rules page. Looks to me like only #1 gets it

[sturdy cosmos]

That works for me! Just a good incentive for the player base to get even more competitive

[twilit moat]

Hard rest each playtest since new content will be added and to make it fair for new players.

[versed elbow]

if this game has wipes i hope its every 6 months or more because of how the market will work and how builds and loot and you know what i mean this kind of game would feel like dogshit if the wipes were every month or even 3 months

like path of exile tarkov ect long wipes so everyone gets to experience all the content

not just the sweats

[cedar dawn]

id rather they just didn't have op gear, make gear normalised/equal

[versed elbow]

no.

[heavy yacht]

its fun to feel a little more OP when there is something at risk

[versed elbow]

yeah take away half the reason the games unique surely the cycle frontier didnt do that and killed their game already surely not

this isnt a solo game or fair its a bunch of random people in a dungeon trying to stay alive

the build variety due to the wild stat rolls is literally half the fun

[heavy yacht]

prices will get super inflated over the course of 6 months.. kinda cool because if you go red level get 1 purple and sell it for 1k

but everything will cost a lot

[versed elbow]

thats part of the hustle

[heavy yacht]

non-meta/bad stat rolls will be worthless

[versed elbow]

they alr are

[cedar dawn]

ppl will just pay goldfarmers and hackers for gear

[versed elbow]

but thats why i buy them

[cedar dawn]

will be pay2win game

[versed elbow]

because use the bad gear to get good gear

once voip is added too random partying and cooperation with other adventurers in the dungeon will be awesome

[lavish elk]

Its not exactly fun when I see someone in full gold fight someone with blue or less and see there's nothing for the weaker player to do.

I saw a rogue eat a headshot and take maybe 5% damage but they three shot the fighter.

[versed elbow]

i had the other experience full gold fighter and the rogue just murdered me with poison

as it should be

its about character build what you decide to bring in to be prepared utility wise the strats aswell and efficient looting and stuff thats the whole reason most of us started to play the game

what i dont get is why some people enjoy the game but constantly beg for everything fun to be removed that attracted them in the first place my duo is like that and hes just a fun vampire

honestly the way the game is right now i would play it every day i would like to see the stats that arent implimented finished but other than that gameplay wise i love it

[granite dawn]

Which weapons become available for the fighter with the weapon mastery perk? Anyone know? A few I can think of are the longbow and the rapier.

[heavy yacht]

two handed mace/axe?

barb weapons

[versed elbow]

all weapons

you can even grab the spellbook but you cant do anything with it

would be funny if you could just whack someone over the head with the book or the sorcerers globe

just break it over someones head

[granite dawn]

Are spears, halberds, bardiches available without the perk?

[versed elbow]

i think halberds im not sure about the rest

i never used spears

[lavish elk]

Spears, halberds, and bardiches are available without the perk.

Its mostly longbows, the daggers, rapiers, double axes, felling axes, casting weapons and whatnot, things meant for specific classes.

[limpid hearth]

is there any document on abilities, perks, weapon types etc? even the draft version would be fine

[lavish elk]

There' in the works, but otherwise not that I know of.

[limpid hearth]

some reading material in breaks between playtests would be awesome

[supple jay]

Are we gonna get this tests data like the last ones in #development ?

[opaque zodiac]

Will #mechanics open up again during the next playtesting?

Was my favorite channel

[whole sluice]

Nope. Was originally for sages and adepts, but those roles hit a hallway wall and fizzled.

[naive hinge]

when beta?

[chrome dagger]

Not announced just yet

[brisk seal]

More like someone hosted a Q and A and drew a crowd of about 60 people lmao

[whole sluice]

To be fair it was almost 300, and it only started with a few people asking questions that I was helping and then people started talking over each other and I needed a queue system and we'll... snowballs happen haha

[opaque zodiac]

Are you still providing access to those spreadsheets you made? That’s really what I was looking for

[timber thunder]

I need them too 🥹

[opaque zodiac]

I am a big game-mechanic hound

Too much time at DigiPen 😅

[whole sluice]

I can't post images or files in this channel anymore 😡

But, read my status 😈

[steady holly]

T H E _ P L A Y E R 'S _ H A N D B O O K

[opaque zodiac]

I’ll hop on comp and look

[whole sluice]

At 31 pages atm. Hopefully within a week

[strong sun]

oh, like literally a handbook. thought it was a video

[opaque zodiac]

Do you need any help or do you have enough? I’ve got loads of free time

[whole sluice]

Pdf

Nah, it's mostly just organizing it in a way I want

Also getting final approval and maybe be able to do a q and a for it

So we'll see

I might do a video for it, but I don't want to spend too much time tbh

[strong sun]

is the idea for it to be a complete beginner's guide?

[whole sluice]

A bit of both. Have some generic information but a lot of under the hood numbers and stats for people wanting that instead

[opaque zodiac]

Ah I understand that. Well, either way, keep me in mind if you're doing testing. I work from home and love this game.

[whole sluice]

Sure thing

I'm trying to tunnel to Korea to test their internal builds

[steady holly]

@whole sluice how did u acquire the statistics on the game btw?

[whole sluice]

Testing during playtests. Consulting a lot of character sheet screen shots

[cedar dawn]

u making a wiki page?

u could just do a discord tbh

1 channel per class that is read only, then a discussion under each

thats what we did for warhammer which had like 24 classes xd

[steady holly]

sounds like a lot of work

[whole sluice]

It is 🤣

[opaque zodiac]

like I said, if you need help, plz dm

[steady holly]

i'd gladly help as well, but i don't think he needs (or wants) help

[whole sluice]

Most of the work was during the actual playtesting tbh

[opaque zodiac]

Just making sure 🤷‍♂️

yes, but as balancing occurs you might have to adjust

[whole sluice]

I don't mind help, but not much for others to do. I'm just organizing my thoughts and explaining my data

[opaque zodiac]

in fact, I'm fairly certain that'll be the case.

[whole sluice]

Oh for sure. The originated plan was for the sages and adepts to hero during test, but then that role left

[steady holly]

why did that role end btw?

[whole sluice]

I might just make my own group closer to next test maybe

[opaque zodiac]

I just set up a server for running a guild--fairly certain it'll be viable with more portals

[green flax]

People happened, at a guess.

[whole sluice]

I have one other that helped out aside from Malkavia

[opaque zodiac]

Yeah, I mean, mechanics can be just as useful to use in an exploitive way is it can in a productive way.

[celest cedar]

Who's to say exploitative and productive are mutually exclusive 🤣

[polar yoke]

real diamat hours

[lapis yarrow]

will there be more character customization and if so to what extent

like will there be separate races with slight benefits or just all humans with custom looks so I'm not bald again

[versed elbow]

probly not theres literally 0 way to stop it just dont partake in it

dont ask dont tell basically

it should be against rules but this is a 20 man dev team they dont have time to sit and ban people all day

or 30 i forget either way

it wouldnt really hurt the game anyway due to the totally random match maker and the fact you lose everything you take out if you die and the people rmt'ing gear are usually dogwater its not like tarkov or the cycle where it breaks the game i think just the way this game is so brutal weeds that stuff out

people still sell counterstrike skins for big bucks so its not like its a new thing

i think overly worrying about balance and exploits and rmt in an inherently unfair broken genre is just a waste of energy jus gotta go with the flow

[sharp hawk]

sorry to ask, but what is RMT?

[lean saffron]

Real Money Transactions; usually means buying items with your credit card through third party sites

[dapper pawn]

I wonder what Cleric says when he uses Judgement.

[indigo ingot]

idk what cleric says but its catchy and makes me want to repeat it right after

[dim scarab]

Anyone figure out the conditions for 100% silent footsteps? Shoeless + shift walk? Lightfoot + shift walk?

[lavish elk]

Closest you'll be is probably lightfoot, crouched, with that rogue perk.

I'd say shoeless but I just realized I don't really remember what lightfoot sounds like coming from other people.

[cedar dawn]

its really hard to hear ppl if there are creatures around also walking

[sharp hawk]

thanks!

but then aren't rmt in like any game that has trading?

i dont think it's that big of a problem

[lavish elk]

Pretty much, its rarely a supported action.

[sharp hawk]

yeah and it's pretty much impossible to completely prevent

[lavish elk]

Some games are effected more then others.

[cedar dawn]

depends... if hackers manage to make loot hacks to farm expensive stuff, or kill ppl with hacks and then sell their loot.
but if its just regular ppl selling stuff it won't make as big an impact as if it was hackers

like if hacker can fly around the map to pickup expensive items and then leave through a portal

though im sure flyhack can be prevented

[sharp hawk]

oh definitely yeah

i didnt really think of hackers

but now that you mentioned it, yeah, if hackers were to abuse it and sell items it would start to become a major problem

[lavish elk]

Everything is a problem if a hacker abuses it, so shrug that's not too big a deal.

[sharp hawk]

oh another question

have the devs mentioned anything about a patreon?

[lavish elk]

Games apparently fully funded, sk I'm not aware of any.

[sharp hawk]

yeah that's what i read the other day 😦

damn i would really like to contribute

[vivid eagle]

@whole sluice to get VA role, did they reach out to u or did u reach out to them?

[storm aspen]

If you don't think RMT hurts the game you haven't played Tarkov. The RMT was so rampant, Devs had to change the games ruleset to disable bringing in certain items to raid to drop to your friends. It was also the #1 reason hackers existed, since they would speed/fly hack through maps, loot all the good loot before players could get near it, and even see other players inventories and focus on killing them if they managed to find something of value - All to get rich and sell it for RL cash.

[versed elbow]

i have 2000 hours in tarkov and i dont care that game was and always will be a dumpster fire due to nikita's incompetance

[storm aspen]

Then you should see how RMT can and will hurt this game

But yes, that game is just getting worse and worse no doubt

If the population of a game is big enough, there is always a market for RMT. And with the market comes the hackers, and all kinds of problems.

[keen sonnet]

do the stats on purple+ quality weapons in your unequipped weapon set still apply?

[lavish elk]

No

[opaque zodiac]

Yeah, I mean, auction houses encourage it, so I'm a bit worried for this game. I'd say Guild Wars 2 is a good example of what a game can be if the devs really care about smushing that. It still exists, but they keep the currency stable and ban cheaters regularly. But in this time of game where stuff disappears I think it's sadly prolly gonna be more prevalent either way.

The speedhack shit was awful though, I remember that.

[last garnet]

Is any spreedsheet or video that shows the value you can sell all items at the merchants ?

[shut abyss]

any thoughts about scaling of Wizard perk Reactive shield from Will or Magic power bonus? @whole sluice

didnt found any info

[pine wraith]

Next playtest when? Dev said announcement next week.

[restive juniper]

I know there is a roadmap video but is there a roadmap in text format to read?

[brisk seal]

Last thing we heard them say about it was december.

[twilit sparrow]

No, it didn't, it said we'd get an announcement. The stated rate of playtests is ~1/month until release, but there's also been posts about December

[whole sluice]

We didn't test spell interactions this play test. However, I'm pretty sure that any spell that has a numerical value benefitted from magic power bonus

[worn nebula]

Madcow i hope ur well senpapi uwu, how r the spreadsheets going

[steel orbit]

Any plans on implementing an insurance system similar to tarkovs?

[wicked summit]

spells are good as is but i wouldnt mind the spell interaction, itll only make clerics and wizzies stronger lol

[whole sluice]

Spreadsheets were done a while ago, I'm just making it look nice in the book... well... and working on the book still 😄

[cloud kayak]

Can you kill the lava monsters at all? Or are you supposed to ignore them

Also, you got a link to spreadsheet mad?

[neat bramble]

the ones outside the boss room are easy to kill, but before the playtest ended they made the ones in the boss room invincible i think, it will probably get changed more in the future

[fathom spear]

Is there any development road-map available? Are you considered adding any guild-like systems to the game? For example, easier item sharing between guild members, guild member party invite, guild-only trade-house, PvE guild boss raids, in-game guild house providing bonuses to all guild members (would be a great way to spend that extra money...).

[neat bramble]

#the-tavern message

and yes, some sort of guild system will eventually come

[dense hamlet]

About the translations of the game you intend to make a translation for the PT-BR?

[fathom spear]

Thank you, I probably should've searched for similar posts first 😅

[pearl flax]

Anyone know if players can farm XP in either of the following 2 situations:
1.) Thief compulsively disarms dungeon traps -- does he get XP per trap disarmed?
2.) If I were to kite the lich boss solo as a ranger, and just kept killing his summons -- do I get XP for killing those extra minions, or is there no XP rewarded for killing summons and/or is there an upper limit?

[whole sluice]

Summons don't grant XP, but this was only tested with mummy spiders, but I would assume it's the same with his minions. As for trap XP I don't believe so but it was too hard to validate Adventurer points and XP because the only real way to do so is only do 1 thing and then extract. Then do another thing, and extract etc...

[wraith veldt]

@whole sluice Do players earn experience when killing other players? Or is it only by PvE kills?

[whole sluice]

You get it from players, but it's not that much from what we could tell

[wraith veldt]

Ty!

[pearl flax]

Do thieves get XP when they successfully lockpick chests and doors via their passive skill (vs. using up a consumable lockpick item)?

[whole sluice]

I believe you get XP for opening any chest, whether you get more because it's locked 🤷

The majority of XP seemed to come from Going to the bottom floor, Escaping successfully, and killing PvE

[pearl flax]

Ohhhhh- okay, that would explain it. Thanks.

[whole sluice]

That being the case, without testing, I want to 'believe' that opening a higher 'tier' chest gives more, but I'm not 100% certain.

[scenic cipher]

when will the next playtest start?

[undone berry]

besides getting more perks is there a purpose to xp?

[neat bramble]

nothing's announced yet, it will be announced sometime this week, but most likely answer is December

@undone berry at the moment no but the system will definitely get better

[worn nebula]

madcow what are the benefits of levels besides the additional slots at 5/10/15

[whole sluice]

Nothing really. Mostly a placeholder for what I would guess is the tree system. I'm trying to get them to allow stat floating at levels 4/5 8/10 etc... as a possibility though 🙂

[shut scaffold]

no no no you shut your mouth not dec il cry i sware to god il cry they said once a month dont brake my heart

[ornate glen]

https://tenor.com/view/get-get-a-get-a-grip-a-grip-capybara-gif-23720440

😔 🫡

[river pulsar]

Check the reddit QnA that was posted 1-2 days ago. They say something like "December, but not confirmed"

[pseudo flame]

Need any information on whether or not the circle is to be tweaked and why they are using this mechanic.

[shut scaffold]

link

[river pulsar]

Just Google "reddit dark and darker QnA" it should be the 1st link, posted 23hrs ago.

[limber dawn]

could you link where they said "once a month"?

[muted pumice]

Is it actually bannable to be a scoundrel that teamkills for gear?

[rotund nova]

shouldnt be

[dawn plaza]

No its not

[muted pumice]

Okay just fact checking some salty gamer on reddit

[shut scaffold]

I think its in this interview but im looking for it now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9UpmeHDgIc&ab_channel=Onepeg

[tacit steeple]

It is dishonorable.

[shut scaffold]

i dident see dec in the Q and a only time frame is early access in apr

[limber dawn]

Any hints as to when the next playtest will be? How many weeks? Months? Maybe work (?)?
"I'm thinking of doing it in December. The date has not been confirmed."

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/ynw9cz/recap_recent_developer_qa/

[shut scaffold]

ok found it and this makes me sad

[muted pumice]

Yeah no shit

I wouldn't do it and don't advocate for it

[errant wharf]

just letting people tk on purpose with no consequence. almost all other game's either temp ban or just ban for purposefully tk'ing if you have proof.

[warped solar]

When is next playtest?

[fathom crow]

Most likely december

[shut scaffold]

Do we know theo the artest is cause the splash art is great

[granite nymph]

How do I deal with the withdraws I'm experiencing after the devs ripped this game away??

[shut scaffold]

cocane and prostitues if that dosnt do it i recomend high stakes poker and self fladulation.

[river pulsar]

Pick up a ton of overtime at work, time flies when all you do is work and sleep.

[shut scaffold]

bro thats not healthy carfull what you recomend

[river pulsar]

My bad, cocaine and prostitutes are much safer. Bless you kind sir

[shut scaffold]

you are forgiven

[hallow plume]

Me estais tilteando

[amber jacinth]

Will there be some type of skill based match making, for example you have x amount of kills it will place you with the same players with that amount?

[burnt badger]

Will there ever be a way to skip floor 1 and go straight to floor 2, If its meant for lower geared players/beginner gear suitable groups using purples -> uniques are going to stomp squads.

[neat bramble]

the only thing similar that they said might possibly come is a high-roller lobby that has some kind of gear requirements to join

[amber jacinth]

I see thank you

[blazing latch]

browsing wiki and saw this. "The last hit in the Castellion dagger gets a huge bonus."
my question is whats the "huge bonus".

[whole sluice]

40-50% or something

I can't recall the numbers but I think it's close, if not 50%

[blazing latch]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-loo-k-at-the-damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-thats-a-lotta-damage-gif-13054448

[blazing latch]

thank you 👌

[wraith veldt]

wait, so the 3rd attack of any weapon does extra damage?

[whole sluice]

No

[wraith veldt]

ok, misunderstood then

[lavish elk]

Each attack in the sequence has its own damage value. Most of them are all the same but some are different.

[mellow slate]

I was about to say! I did* indeed notice hitting things harder with the 3rd attack in some combos but my noticing of any pattern was too inconsistent to know what weapons were doing so.

[brisk seal]

Checking damage on dummies is the easiest way

[lavish elk]

Next test while you're in a match you can open your character with an equipped weapon to see the damage numbers.

[brittle patrol]

While they’re in a match?

[storm aspen]

Those numbers weren't the same as the outputted damage to a target dummy

[whole sluice]

It's base (Flat bonuses included) weapon damage before phys %, skill bonuses and hit multipliers

[timid solar]

Any discussion around potential API opportunities (E.g. Player names, levels, skills, etc)?

[lavish elk]

I thought it included all the internal multipliers and additions, the arming sword I had showed as 19-20 and a head shot against the dummy pulled 29-30 damage.

Maybe there just weren't enough bonuses to really show up on a sword that weak.

[whole sluice]

Or you didn't have any. So Any + Weapon, +Phys, +True Phys would be shown on the base and then in ( ) after

So a weapon could show 56.13 (+ 11 Pierce) for instance

And since your character sheet doesn't reflect skills/body multiplier it won't show 'optimal' damage

[crimson moss]

Hey Maddcow whatcha doin in that channe;

[whole sluice]

Giving people the oportunity to listen to my crappy work playlist 😄

[exotic ether]

Does _Max like men

[faint arch]

Q: is there a guide or wiki that lists different class's weapons, active, and passive abilities with descriptions. (fully understanding that those things are being tweaked)

[exotic ether]

@late portal 😙

[flint kraken]

Is there an order for damage calculation on a fansite somewhere? I'm wondering which shield takes damage first. The protection potion, or the wizards shield?