#q-and-a

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remote pecan
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Sages
The Sages are a volunteer community group helping test functionality and improving the user experience. Sages are the truth-sayers of the Dark and Darker game mechanics. If you have a question about the game, or one of the mechanics within, please do not hesitate to ask a Sage! Please keep discussions to the #game-discussion channel!

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rich ginkgo
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How does one become a sage?

whole sluice
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One does not choose, instead one is called upon

rich ginkgo
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The mantle of responsibility, pillars of the community. A light, nay a beacon in Dark and Darker times.

whole sluice
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@lean saffron

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lean saffron
limpid fern
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Issue resolved 😬

civic shell
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what do the sages think of barbarian base movespeed increase in order to outspeed fighter slightly?

visual dagger
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don't really see why would that be needed just my personal opinion tho might as well bring it up with other sages

civic shell
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yeah idk barb's just seemed worse than fighters in almost every capacity

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idk what would make them be able to compete

rich ginkgo
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Give them an AoE that temporarily reduces movement of enemies potentially?

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Still requires positioning and has a cool down rather than a flat bonus to always being able to catch people

limpid fern
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They have throwing axes that incur a movement speed penalty on enemies that are struck by them. Pretty handy for chasing people down.

ocean drum
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Are fists viable? Are they gonna be neglected? I love punching stuff in the face, Not in any Monk kinda way.... Just in a "I min-max into strength" kinda way.

whole sluice
kind iris
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do you know if they have any idea of entertaining an offline mode we can download to play while we wait lmao

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im so bored

karmic parrot
kind iris
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yea only thing im not looking forward to is being sad again when its over

terse hazel
warm hound
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is there a sign up for the next play test in october?

rugged axle
warm hound
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awesome

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thank you

terse hazel
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Are classes base health values known by anyone?

If so does anyone know if strength is just + x amount of hp for y amount of strength or if it is +x% of class hp for y amount of strength?

whole sluice
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Because of the way things change so often between playtests we don't have set information yet. Strength gives flat hp, but whether each class will have the same unmodified base isn't known

terse hazel
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fair enough

turbid wasp
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When does the council of sages convene?

civic shell
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the sages speak independently of council

dry birch
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have the devs said anything about the intended pricing for the game?

civic shell
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So far I think they’re looking at ftp with purchasable cosmetics

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But nothing is set in stone

turbid wasp
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i believe they are going with barter system in order to get the game.

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they'll put up what they are wanting up on steam/ebay/craigslist and you can barter with them through those avenues. After the agreed upon trade you will get the game. This is so they can really get the community into the right atmosphere for the game

dry birch
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that would be sick

dry birch
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how come some guys are red tinted with glowing red eyes

limpid fern
visual dagger
whole sluice
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It's a T3 monster. There are a couple random spawns on the second floor, most of the floor 3 are the red 'elite' versions of their counterparts

formal minnow
# remote pecan _ _ __**Sages**__ The Sages are a volunteer community group helping test functio...

If this is the case then maybe sage's have their own feedback channel. They can be a filter in a way for the actual feedback channel and people can upvote or downvote the sage's that way it's more practical and sorted feedback. I know the developers have their own agenda, but they also listen to the community. The filtered feedback channel may or may not give them ideas, but it gets them thinking about certain topics and could spawn other ideas. They also don't have to filter through all the nonsense in the channel.

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Could go more in depth with it and do certain class feedback and gameplay mechanics etc. as well

whole sluice
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The devs watch other channels and we discuss things as they are brought up. It's not a perfect system. I personally would love a feedback only channel, but people tend to discuss things and they use the discussion channel for general chat etc...

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We did have an idea posted a few days again, but didn't get much discussion on it. Lemme post it again

formal minnow
# whole sluice The devs watch other channels and we discuss things as they are brought up. It's...

well that's kind of what i'm saying, sages would have their own text channel named like filtered-feedback. if sages are "truth-sayers of game mechanics" then they should be entrusted with filtering through the regular feedback channel, picking the most interesting and best feedback, and either reposting that idea or rewording it in their own way. players could then use this filtered-feedback channel as kind of like not exactly a poll system, but like if they would like to see it or not. this would give a relative idea of certain ideas and then you guys could discuss in your other discord about it and whatnot.

whole sluice
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Right now we're not in charge of that kind of channel making. Personally, I'd love 3 sage only channels

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But, the server is always evolving so who knows down the line

formal minnow
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yeah that's fair and makes sense. i just know i've seem some good ideas that people have and some of them eventually get drowned out and then people can't find them unless scrolled up. specifically i know teasky has had a few ideas that are good and they just eventually get buried by others. could have the filtered feedback channel and if the idea gets enough thumbs up could eventually make it like a thread. just throwing out a bunch of ideas i think would be beneficial

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and at the end of the day this channel was made for sages so, just want to see the game do well and try to get a better system for feedback like you said

whole sluice
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Yeah. I'd love a section with multi channels. 1 for just asking/answering questions. One with distilled feedback, and other for suggestive implementations/features

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Right now there are variants of each floor with different rooms, but probably not be procedurally generated.

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formal minnow
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM you should watch this video. seems like the devs are aiming for multiple map with 3 dungeon levels so having the maps stay the same is important so players can learn, with it being random kind of takes away from having multiple maps with different themes.

stuck mica
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Do any of you know if the player models are getting any updates by next playtest? I love goateebro, and would love it if rogue or wizard kept his model but haveing three identical bald twins in a lobby takes away some of the atmosphere for me.

halcyon hearth
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I don't doubt there'll be more customization options in the future

whole sluice
abstract basin
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do you think ironmace are thinking of extending the playtest this month

whole sluice
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🤷 It was extended the first and second time because of server issues, however Monday would be Halloween, so who knows

halcyon hearth
civic shell
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yo btw do you guys know how to avoid those floor spikes?

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whats the strat to trigger them without taking dmg

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if there is one

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as a rogue theres lots of chests behind them like in the hidden library room that i want to get to in next playtest

whole sluice
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If you have enough move speed you can stick your toe on it to trigger, and then run and crouch jump as they are going back down. Same process you can also do it by throwing a torch (Or other object) on it

civic shell
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ah okay

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hell yea

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thx

sour night
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Do crystal swords do viable levels of melee damage? Like as a last resort kind of thing can I just start stabbing?

lean saffron
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If I recall correctly they did about 7-20 damage per swing before armor. E.g. purples did 20 dmg. You might be able to finish people at low hp or people who you outplay hard. Generally better off running or casting magic missile and trading.

halcyon hearth
whole sluice
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The big differences between the different kits, as of right now, is the casting animations. Some are better for open areas, some aren't. Previously the wizard sword was way too strong as a melee weapon so it got nerfed pretty hard and then slightly retuned towards the end of the second playtest

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Melee wizards generally go for dagger at the moment though with everything, that might change

sour night
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Is there anything different for the wizard weapons in terms of casting? Do some do more damage with slower casting for example?

whole sluice
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Cast speeds are the same, animations are not

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Damage is only effected if the item in question has +magic/+true magic dmg.

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Or willpower

sour night
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Alright, so like anything other than the staff is better?

whole sluice
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Depends

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I assume that the big differences, would most likely be Wizard Sword for battle caster, melee + spell casting, crystal ball for better casting stats, and staff for more of a defensive support due to 2handers getting parry

sour night
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Makes sense.

whole sluice
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Yup. And if you make lots of ¢ you get 💵

karmic parrot
whole sluice
cyan slate
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Medium rare if you have some quality steaks. Anything more than that is bordering blasphemy.

whole sluice
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True

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For me it's blue or red

cyan slate
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Sage grilling advice.

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Whenever I hear somebody order a well done steak in a steakhouse I always imagine the chef getting stabbed in the back in the kitchen with the words.

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Or with bullets and going out like Willem Dafoe in platoon.

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That works better lol

whole sluice
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hah

cyan slate
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Dude got all the bullets

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First time I saw that I was like...no fing way he is making it out..

lean saffron
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They mustve stolen that from Ben Stiller in Tropic Thunder 😉

cyan slate
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Lol, you make it home now...SURVIVE!

whole sluice
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Tropic Thunder is ace

cyan slate
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Wonder how they could make something like that today without people's heads exploding on twitter xD.

whole sluice
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Just like Mel Brook movies. Can't be done right now

cyan slate
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Men in tights might be ok...

whole sluice
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True

cyan slate
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Did you just say Abe Lincoln?

lean saffron
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Mechanics questions: Does placing bear traps make a noise that enemy players can hear? Also, can all classes disarm bear traps without first stepping on them?

cyan slate
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Yeah you can disarm and they make a noise when putting them down.

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Different classes disarm faster based on resourcefulness iirc.

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Or will be resourcefulness, might still be agility.

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I'd need to take another look.

lean saffron
keen flame
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Is there any plans for anti cheat? Can't remember if there was on during alpha i'd imagine not.

grand umbra
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Resourcefulness stated it's supposed to increase deployable speed, but as of the previous test, dexterity's action speed increase was applying to it. I don't recall if +resourcefulness actually helped in the test.

meager frigate
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resourcefulness did nothing in the game as we played it i think

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i noticed some stats would not track to char sheet also not sure if this was a nothin g gained situation or if it just didnt apply to sheet

whole sluice
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Resourcefulness was not implemented yet, and knowledge didn't do anything either

worldly jay
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How prepared are you guys for potentially more than double the players trying to join the play test this month with some videos content creators have made covering Dark and Darker getting a hundreds of thousands of views?

whole sluice
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To be fair, they went from 300 on the first playtest to over 10,000 concurrent on the second. I think they're fine

worldly jay
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Yeah the last couple days of the last play test were a lot more stable.

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Any plans for monk as a class? It was always one of my favorite DnD classes.

whole sluice
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Officially the only confirmed class will be the upcoming Bard. We don't have any information on it at the moment. There was a sneak peek of other upcoming classes that are hinted to be the following (In no particular order) Artificer, Druid, Monk, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock

worldly jay
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Awesome!

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Oh, will this game have lore?

whole sluice
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I'm sure it will

worldly jay
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Would be interesting if they had an overarching story as they released more content.

civic shell
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yo was just wondering how did you guys become sages? I assume you guys have probably just been long time trusted community members and and were selected to be like community leaders/reprisentatives?

whole sluice
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Kinda. The process is not public and isn't likely to be so in the future. The purpose and selection of Sages are those with a vested interest in helping test game mechanics, but also to help educate and explain game mechanics to new players to help elevate the cowmmunity as a whole

sour night
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Sounds like an exhausting job. I've only been in the server for a couple days and I'm already tired of telling new people when the playtest is, and that they don't need to sign up lol

whole sluice
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Different strokes for different folks

velvet summit
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I could be a sage but simply put, I am too powerful.

civic shell
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daym so like a mega sage

halcyon hearth
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The sage supreme

supple dagger
sour night
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Oh, nice.

whole dune
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?plalytest

rough falconBOT
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playtest

Playtest Information

Playtests are announced in the #📢announcements channel. Once the playtest opens on the date specified (which is currently October 28th-30th), you will be able to download and install the playtest for free on the Dark and Darker steam page here! https://store.steampowered.com/app/2016590/Dark_and_Darker/

Don't forget to check the #❓faq channel for the answers to frequently asked questions!

cyan slate
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Fingers crossed more stats are actually working next test. I'd really like to see resourcefulness and knowledge working as intended to help out with build diversity.

stuck mica
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Doesnt resourcefulness increase inventory as well?

sour night
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Are all lionshead chests locked? Is the only way to open them with a rogue?

halcyon hearth
sour night
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Ah, so rogues can always lockpick, but otherwise you need to find one and do it first try?

halcyon hearth
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Yep.

sour night
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Was the only way to get them to kill a rogue and take theirs?

halcyon hearth
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No, rogues do not have lockpicks on them unless they've looted their own
Enemy AI tend to have them last playtest I found most of mine on the flying skulls

sour night
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Ahhh, alright.

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Ty!

visual dagger
visual dagger
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there should be backpacks in future so it's hard to say how it will work

stuck mica
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That would make rogues even more top tier than they currently are... unless theres going to be a weight system as well, but i think item weight systems can get kind of redundant and annoying in a game.

civic shell
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tbh I feel like weight system doesnt mix well with limited item space inventory kinda thing. The whole point is that you have to optimize your limited inventory to fit the most you can.

rugged axle
olive spindle
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Why would i need a backpack to store half the map in it when i died in the earlys 10mins ? :_

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(that's a joke, love the gameplay)

stuck mica
civic shell
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yeah kinda true i guess

lean saffron
whole sluice
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Barbs aren't intelligent, harder to mash things into pockets 😄

stuck mica
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I think i remember reading that strength tied into equipment weight, but unsure if weight was gonna be a thing

whole sluice
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Weight isn't a thing

stuck mica
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Damn.

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A theif is definitely less likely to be walking around with 6 zweihanders stuck on their back.

lean saffron
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with the highest move speed and being the sneakiest 🙂

whole sluice
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To be fair, being in full plate as a fighter and still finding places to carry 4-6 full suits of armor is unrealistic

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It's just a game mechanic

stuck mica
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True, i just wish barb had a little more oomph

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Their resourcefulness is abysmal to begin with so would that cause the barb to have even less space than normal classes?

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Or is there like, a base inventory that resourcefulness then adds onto

whole sluice
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My guess is base + resourceful, just like base + str = hp

stuck mica
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Ok, thats good at least

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Im sure it was probably asked before but barb is getting buffed next playtest right? Or at least other classes getting nerfed that ends up balancing things.

whole sluice
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🤷 They are continually working on the build so who knows what is/isn't in. That being said, they made a good number of changes from the first to the second playtest so I would assume they would still be adjusting things

stuck mica
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Well, ill keep hoping.

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Im fine with barb atm, but the gluttonous desire for a potential buff is strong

civic shell
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I think with what they've said so far its not a stretch to assume second wind got a nerf

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or it will going into next playtest

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and 2 hand weapons being able to block is also an unintentional buff to Barbarian as well

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which im also going to say will probably be in the next playtest

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so the combination of those 2 will probably leave Barb in a better place than he was.

stuck mica
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Its weird that barbs cant wield shields but those buffs will def help

civic shell
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eh I mean shields are more of a paladin/knight/cleric class type of thing

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fighter is essentially the knight of this game, and paladin was one of the ones that was hinted at for future classes i think

stuck mica
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Vikings used shields, and they can use shields in dungeons and dragons.

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Maybe only round shield or targe proficiency at least

sour night
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Well since barbs in this game just use 2 hand weapons, they don't have a third arm for a shield. I think that there's a parry system they're working on for all of the 2 hand weapons though, not certain.

rugged axle
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Yup! The parry system is currently being tweaked 🙂

sour night
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Alright cool I'm not spreading misinformation. Is it just a smaller hitbox of a shield block?

cyan slate
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Currently the hitbox is the mesh of the weapon but that is being changed. Still undetermined as to what it is being changed into.

glad quarry
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Hey sages, I wrote up a list from memory going over the class abilities since someone asked earlier, I figured I'd share it for if you guys want to use if someone else asks. I'm not sure abilities are mentioned anywhere outside the game, and I figure new players will be coming in for the next 7 days or so wanting more details. I just slapped it in notepad and took a screenshot https://gyazo.com/a208bbef573eb55ae12a35e4ccd6d54e

queen gyro
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I got a question for the sages I just learnt about this game and I’m interested in playing the upcoming play test what I need to do to be able to do that or is it not possible?

rough falconBOT
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playtest

Playtest Information

Playtests are announced in the #📢announcements channel. Once the playtest opens on the date specified (which is currently October 28th-30th), you will be able to download and install the playtest for free on the Dark and Darker steam page here! https://store.steampowered.com/app/2016590/Dark_and_Darker/

Don't forget to check the #❓faq channel for the answers to frequently asked questions!

whole sluice
queen gyro
formal minnow
# glad quarry Hey sages, I wrote up a list from memory going over the class abilities since so...

For the berserker I'm pretty sure shout 1 which is savage roar increased your movement speed(pretty sure) and did something else that I don't entirely remember (possibly reduced enemy damage if you used it near them) . The war cry which was shout 2 felt incredibly useless, it attempted to give you like 25% extra max health, but it did in a small aoe circle around you so your teammates had to be right on top of you, not only that it lasted 8 seconds and did not directly buff your hp instantly. I'm not sure how this skill was intended to use, i guess use it then heal up to 125% hp ? but i dont think it would stay i never tried, felt like a bugged ability

hexed tulip
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Are you guys fan of melee slashers?

trim vine
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im more of a melee guy than an fps guy for sure xD

cyan slate
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I'm getting old and my twitch reflexes are slowing down so melee is a bit better for me these days.

rugged axle
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Im afraid for when the Apex/CoD players come over and use bows. Headshots cross map 😂

bitter topaz
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Omw to headshot you from across the map

sour night
rugged axle
sour night
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:)

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Better stay in invis

sour night
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So what was behind the skull door in the last playtest? People kept on saying it was another floor, but wasn't it just a obelisk in the middle of lava with really good loot?

supple zenith
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it was some building in the middle of lava with chests, yeah but how do you get outta there? 😐

rugged axle
supple zenith
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Ahhhhh ok, that's cool

whole sluice
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There wasn't anything in there before the patch because it wasn't setup

sour night
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Ah

cyan slate
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I'm sure the rampart jump will be fixed next update as well. Was some crazy stuff to just jump off the ramparts with a speed boost active and just land on the edge of the door lol.

twilit yarrow
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Are Sages part of the company or just like friends ? Is it possible to become a Sage?

glacial tusk
rugged axle
twilit yarrow
rough falconBOT
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sage

Sages

The Sages are a volunteer community group helping test functionality and improving the user experience. They are also one of the best sources of correct information for game mechanics, forbidden knowledge and helpful information.

If you have a question about the game, or one of the mechanics within, please ask a Sage in the #q-and-a channel!

keen fern
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hall monitor types, basically

sour night
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... Forbidden knowledge? I like forbidden knowledge!

remote pecan
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As a Warlock, I agree.

sour night
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What sorts of forbidden knowledge can you share?

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(I assume that it's just flavor text, but if not, I won't pass up on an opportunity to learn outlawed wisdom)

empty warren
remote pecan
sand sparrow
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Hello, I just watched a yt that said shields would be reworked and could be overcome through consecutive hits. Do you know how bows and magic fit into this yet?

whole sluice
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Not yet, we'll know more this test. If shields have stability, spells would seem likely to also have stability modifiers. As for bows we know bows are being worked on, but not precisely what just yet

empty warren
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What I got out of the Q&A is shields will have an impact mechanic that will cause a sort of stagger and the heavier the weapon the bigger the stagger off impact so you might not be able to block that 2nd swing of a 2h weapon

whole sluice
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Yup, pretty close to

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Basically the stronger the weapon, the more stability damage it does to the shield

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All weapons and damage will do it, but the heavier will do it more

echo kindle
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@whole sluice why does your name seem extremely familiar to me?

whole sluice
echo kindle
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it must have been from another community then, i saw your name and immediately went "wait a second..." i just can't pinpoint it atm. anyway, good to see you ❤️

whole sluice
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You to 🙂

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Welcome

viral trail
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Elf women?

sand sparrow
whole sluice
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trou·ba·dour
Learn to pronounce
noun
a French medieval lyric poet composing and singing in Provençal in the 11th to 13th centuries, especially on the theme of courtly love.

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But in reality, they are content creators

pseudo oxide
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❤️ Courtly Love 🎶

mental notch
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Hey does anyone know which controllers are supported/how it played with controller? I dont use one myself but my elderly brother uses controller religiously and was just wondering how it played for anyone who used one

whole sluice
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I don't believe controller support is in yet

empty warren
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As a controller guy myself I did try my xbox controller last playtest and while I was surprised to see it worked, there are no settings for it in options to adjust the sensitivity or remap buttons. The turning was extremely slow and not viable at all

mental notch
warm parrot
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hello can i pre-download game before play test

cyan slate
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Unless they change how it works currently, no. The download will be active when the test starts.

warm parrot
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ok ty❤️

strange relic
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When will be next open beta starts ?

rough falconBOT
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playtest

Playtest Information

Playtests are announced in the #📢announcements channel. Once the playtest opens on the date specified (which is currently October 28th-30th), you will be able to download and install the playtest for free on the Dark and Darker steam page here! https://store.steampowered.com/app/2016590/Dark_and_Darker/

Don't forget to check the #❓faq channel for the answers to frequently asked questions!

mental notch
primal kite
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will the giga-chad barbarians get some love?

tropic echo
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is there a plan for arachnophobia mode my friend cant never play these type of game cause of spider.

empty warren
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They're mummy spiders if that helps?

halcyon hearth
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Probably not but if it gives any peace of mind on top of what the guy said above

  1. They only spawn in certain rooms so you can memorize which ones to avoid
  2. They're one of if not THE weakest enemy in the game to the point they don't even drop loot
empty warren
glad ice
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What does the community need to do to extend this playtest forever 🤣🙏

sour night
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Wait

glad ice
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💔😭

sour night
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I feel that

glad ice
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Ill be happy with even a full week playtest

supple zenith
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I mean, maybe they will extend it because of Halloween

glad ice
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1 can only hope!!!

burnt night
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serious question, why cant i buy this game yet? alot games have early access in way less playable states, i appreciate that you guys dont wanna scuff your reputation but just take my money already jeez, this waiting between tests is killing me xD

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bought marauders to try cope hoping it will fill the void, it dont quite hit the spot though

sour night
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They're funded through development, so they don't need the money. If they release it now as a paid game, the internet will tear it apart and it will be critiqued as another cash grab just releasing unfinished for money. Take Cyber punk for example, I've heard that it's good now, and that it's a great mod platform, but whenever you think of cyberpunk do you think of how bad it was when it first released, or how it's good now?

burnt night
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cyberpunk and no mans sky had a rocky launch but both made tons of money and are decent games now from what i was told, so whats the issue? and i dont see anyone complaining from the current playtests, only feinding for more like crackheads 😄

whole sluice
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Integrity

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Some people like to put out quality

burnt night
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so your saying its not already quality?

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cuz i disagree

iron aspen
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Probably it's not on a state that the devs want to launch

ruby turtle
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It's not of the quality that the devs themselves feel comfortable putting out I would assume

whole sluice
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The devs themselves have said its not in a state good enough for that

sour night
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I mean, nobody in this server is complaining because they enjoy the game enough to join the server, and recognize it as not finished. But I've seen plenty of takes online about how bad or whatever it is when they see it not as an unfinished game but as another game.

whole sluice
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And I trust them to have early access and release when they feel it's ready

sour night
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Unrelated but what are the Adept roles? Are they like junior mods or? #📜rules doesn't have anything for them.

burnt night
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i just really hope when it releases its not overshadowed by other games, alot of big titles comming out next year, and the old saying goes strike while the iron is hot ^^

whole sluice
sour night
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I hope anyways.

burnt night
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i hope so too

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but stalker 2 and GTA 6 are released next year

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and they are colossal

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im skeptical about GTA 6 being good

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but again can hope lol

ruby turtle
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GTA 6 seems like a very different target audience though.

sour night
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Yeah

burnt night
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so people who play GTA 6 dont play dark and darker? thats your take?

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interesting

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lol

sour night
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And although those are colossal, it doesn't mean those are the only games that will ever get played. A bunch of people will still be playing whatever they want

sour night
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They pull from different pools, even if there's some mixed water

whole sluice
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Let's take this discussion to general/discussion. This is more for just q&a please and thanks

sour night
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Ah, yeah, sorry.

whole sluice
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All good, no harm done

burnt night
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i got my question answered anyways so its good now, peace lol

ruby turtle
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I was never here for the 1st playtest and kinda just immediately went into the 2nd playtest so I don't know but do the devs post patchnotes on changes to the playtests?

tired lichen
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cuando es el playtest

sour night
whole sluice
sour night
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Are things like poison and bleed damage modified by anything? Like does a + physical damage increase the bleed damage?

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At least, I think bleed is a type of debuff rogues do, and not just poison, right?

whole sluice
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Magical damage did, but, that is almost surely going to be changed as it was overtuned

tight temple
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I wonder if the game will have armour/weapon items with health regeneration eventually

noble stone
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will slings be in the game?

vivid tartan
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When is the actual release date of the game?

median cave
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Do I need to sign up for the playtest?

lime wadi
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how can i sign up/become a mod for this server?

sly veldt
burnt badger
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I was wondering if the beta can be moved before the cod release? 🤔

visual dagger
visual dagger
crude frigate
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Any changelogs for next playtest before it starts?

visual dagger
cyan slate
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We have some notes I think we can share, let me verify.

visual dagger
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ye wanted to verify if we can 😄

cyan slate
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yeah I gotta run that up the chain lmao

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the seaktrez

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Sorry, they said to please wait. Probably because they are still changing things.

whole sluice
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We will definitely do our best to provide information when we can, but right now there is still a lot of changes being made and wanting to be put into the playtest for us to give any accurate information about changes

crude lantern
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question

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is cow a dev?

visual dagger
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no he's not

crude lantern
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playtester?

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point is, no idea what the sage role is supposed to be

rough falconBOT
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sage

Sages

The Sages are a volunteer community group helping test functionality and improving the user experience. They are also one of the best sources of correct information for game mechanics, forbidden knowledge and helpful information.

If you have a question about the game, or one of the mechanics within, please ask a Sage in the #q-and-a channel!

crude lantern
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no offense

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oh cool

whole sluice
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I develop feelings, I've developed kids, I'm in the credits of other games, but not here 😄

visual dagger
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here you go 🙂

whole sluice
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The Sage/Adept role is in a large change right now

crude lantern
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can you develop my self-esteem?

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:Kappa:

visual dagger
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can you cow? 😄

neon axle
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@whole sluice give me your treasure secrets please good sir

whole sluice
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The overall goal(s) are/were that a role would be created where people are much more knowledgable about the game to help the community and provide correct information when the Devs don't have the time to answer questions

crude lantern
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Umm..... MOOooo?

whole sluice
neon axle
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Holy I'm so dumb

crude lantern
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Also prepare your incantations.

neon axle
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Mannn this whole time I just thought you had the most hidden big tech room with mad treasure but instead it's a stat I neglected to look at. GG 😭

whole sluice
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There is no charisma stat 😄

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I'm just a cave troll

neon axle
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Come on madcow

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How are you gonna do me like that

visual dagger
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i mean u should have know that cow is a troll

neon axle
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Man we've talked two maybe three times

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This is my first experience trying to cross the bridge

visual dagger
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nt nt

neon axle
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I don't have any money for the troll tax man

visual dagger
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okey lets move out from here since this is not the place for normal chats 🙂

whole sluice
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I am a wise and fun troll. I require no tokens. Honestly, the secret for treasure points changed between playtests. I just happened to figure it out quicker than others is all

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Certain areas/mobs had a much higher loot table is basically all it boiled down to

visual dagger
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u just needed to collect things to sell to vendor this time that's all play gather and repeat

crude lantern
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See, this is how I know you are lying @whole sluice

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I KNOW your secret

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you figured out how to sell the silver coins...

whole sluice
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Nah, silver coins were useless in so many ways. I would literally not even pick them up and/or drop them if I got them. They were also disabled halfway through the playtest

visual dagger
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yeah that is true indeed 😄

neon axle
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@visual dagger I get that homie had 2x my treasure score with similar games, and I thought I was taking the most high value area every time but clearly not.

whole sluice
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So there was an issue with regards to the treasure that I don't wish to discuss because I'm hoping it is resolved before the next test. I don't think it was working in an intended way once you knew how it worked.

visual dagger
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shh

neon axle
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Like an exploit or

whole sluice
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Nah, not an exploit

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Like getting gold and selling anything other than treasures didn't count towards the score

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So then it was just a game of maxing out your gold per inventory slot each run

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But it was too 'gamey'

neon axle
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Yeah, I suppose I started to care less like halfway through when I had too much gold I wasnt even picking up treasure

whole sluice
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And certain areas were worth way more 'treasure' than others

neon axle
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In my experience the dogs on floor 3 were OP loot table

whole sluice
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I'm just a loot goblin. Every game I have issues with how much crap I pick up. You do NOT want to see my Fallout 4 inventory lockers

visual dagger
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2 shots for purple item 😄

neon axle
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What about the treasure hoards on floor 3, did you ever try to farm those with high agi?

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I thought about it but I was having too much fun running around killin people

visual dagger
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you mean gold piles ?

neon axle
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Yes

visual dagger
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i farmed those but i never looked at how much treasure i get since i didn't care about that 😄

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i got most of my gear from those tho

neon axle
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I thought about getting a massively high agi set and sitting there on floor 3 just opening them but

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idk maybe when the game opens if its still in

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I cant justify that in the playtest haha

whole sluice
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Treasure piles didn't give much for treasure hunting score

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Too much gold and weapons/armor

neon axle
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Okay, so really just for gear.

visual dagger
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i was gear junky so 😄

neon axle
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Same

whole sluice
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Here lets continue this in the discussion channel

neon axle
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not same LMAO

glad quarry
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Does anyone know if magic missiles will apply stability damage to shields?

dry birch
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Is orange the highest rarity

whole sluice
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There is orange and then a goldish color

neon axle
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its called unique right?

whole sluice
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Yup

sour night
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What's the difference between them?

visual dagger
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well one is legendery and another is unique so it's just better 🙂

crude lantern
visual dagger
crude lantern
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doesn't make it any less true

rugged axle
burnt badger
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The much room requires lock picks oof or a rogue big sad

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Much

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Lich

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Anyone know if rogue can solo the lich 🥵

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I’ll have to try that next run

limpid fern
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Playtest 2 rogue could probably have done a solo kill if already geared. The damage on the double DOT was absolutely absurd plus potions not slowing your fast movement to chug.

cyan slate
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Lich from the last playtest was also nerfed a bit. Plus having the equipment modifiers let people gear up with specific builds to fight him.

rugged axle
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No way could anyone solo Lich last time lol. Even in my unique set if you walk straight up to the Lich his adds + him melted you haha. I heard a 3 man dps group dropped him but its just so risky ☠️

cyan slate
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Ranger with solid gear and a survival bow could do it last test.

rugged axle
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We wiped once in our uniques against the Lich when we got cocky and I wanted to vomit

cyan slate
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Plus ya know, skilled player.

rugged axle
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How does the ranger survive the purple aoe?

cyan slate
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I'd wager big ass protection potion popped when the AOE started

rugged axle
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Prot only worked against physical damage

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Unless I misunderstood prot

cyan slate
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Ah right good point

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Lots of +str and what not to boost HP pool then I suppose.

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Once we saw how much less damage the lich was dealing we didn't really bother fighting him. We will see how he is next time though.

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I know maddcow was able to survive the AOE solo with full hp in the gear he had the first time or two he tried.

whole sluice
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I think it was just incidental tbh. At that point we were just probing him to see what changed from first test and I think I was mostly using +str and +will because we didn't find any good +agi yet

cyan slate
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Ah fair enough

whole sluice
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If any class would be able to solo in his reduced form it would be barb with the Magic Resist. It would have to be good RNG because he couldn't wear too much armor and would need a lot of phys resist, or just go full hulk tank mode with stacking str and full armor and ignore adds

cyan slate
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Fingers crossed his full mechanics and damage/health values are back to where they were in the first public test.

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I thought they overcorrected by adding in gear modifiers and nerfing him at the same time.

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Still though, not a ton of lich kills last time either.

rugged axle
cyan slate
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Agreed, they need to find a middle ground. The bosses need to be hard but not so hard it discourages people from trying.

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They also can't just be pvp focal points like in hunt though. I'm sure they will find a sweet spot after a few more tests.

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I'd love super difficult bosses but I'm cut from that kind of cloth. Most players these days don't seem to want a real challenge, boggles my mind tbh.

rugged axle
cyan slate
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Also true, I think that's largely why they were talking about high roller rooms.

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Will depend on the total concurrent player count per server though. Can't split the community too much if you don't have a healthy base.

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Rooms full of premades with legendary and unique gear would be nutty.

halcyon hearth
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And you need to make sure lesser geared players still have plenty of opportunities to win big by killing a more geared player

rugged axle
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Might be overstating the ability of a solo tbh in any case

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I def died solo in legendary sets against semigeared trios

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so its hard to fully comprehend what will/could happen as people get better mechanically as well as better geared

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Rogues cant out trade against a warrior with a cleric in their pocket

halcyon hearth
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High roller lobbies being like a Tarkov labs equivalent (players are incentivised to bring their better gear in some way along with there being some sort of entry cost) rather than an automatic cutoff would be nice

rugged axle
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Make the Skull Key access a small 12 player map called the Infernal Vault - Have it show how many in queue and it launches with minimum of 9 players. -High Roller Lobby Achieved. Also, because of the way inventory currently operates, if only 3 or less players survive, a ton of that gear will be lost to the void forever.

halcyon hearth
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That would be a sick idea

halcyon hearth
empty warren
burnt badger
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All that sounds good but nobody wants a 1 he queu time waiting for people to join

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If they can balance the queu time then it’d be ok

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Problem is once you’re queued if you leave during the queu because it’s taking forever your fear is lost so it can’t be a long queu

halcyon hearth
burnt badger
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God I don’t want wipe cycles that’s annoying af

halcyon hearth
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They plan on doing seasons with wipes but they plan on having rewards/ achievements that would persist through wipes

burnt badger
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Wipes also hurt casuals and I’m not a casual I just hate the idea of wipes deleting stuff I worked for

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Seasons are a dumb idea

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Guess we’ll get season passes too ugh

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I’d rather pay a subscription model

rugged axle
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They do not want to do season passes. They are aiming for a Hunt Showdown or Dead By Daylight expansion system

burnt badger
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I hate season passes in games I’d rather pay a subscription and expansion model with paid cosmetics

rugged axle
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Where all new maps are free but you may need to pay for a new class/cosmetics via expansion if you feel like going that route

halcyon hearth
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More likely to be cosmetics I'd think

burnt badger
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That’s what I thought so I was worried when the dude started saying that

rugged axle
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Yeah I think they are walking a fantastic line plus they are super transparent

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I appreciate that the devs are in here chatting with us all the time and they are gamers, they barely slept for the playtest lol

halcyon hearth
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I don't think in an extraction game it's a good call to put gameplay features behind an additional paywall beyond the entry fee

rugged axle
halcyon hearth
burnt badger
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Starts humming hunt showdown theme

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God so catchy!

halcyon hearth
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Full release is way off anyway, so I'm sure they'll work out the best way to monetize in the long term

burnt badger
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SpongeBob: IIIiIiIiIiIi NEEeEeEeaeed IIiIiTTtTtT

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Sandy I need wa-
Dark and darker why didn’t you say so SpongeBob

visual dagger
little onyx
burnt badger
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Wipes are bad for keeping players interested they decide oh I don’t want to play I’ll just wait until next wipe

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Slowly the game pop begins to die as other games grab players interest who were going to wait until next wipe then next next wipe and forever not playing

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Limited inventory plus shared inventory space between characters means there’s no gear crisis as players can’t take full inventories per character only what truly matters and limited space for multiple character due to sharing same inventory

rugged axle
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Wipe cycles renew interest and allow new players to learn since sweaty vets have moved on. It also creates an economy where rich players will overpay to get good items they dont feel like farming so the newer players can generate wealth.

Every popular looter shooter in the industry is using wipe cycles now. Tarkov is the premiere example and even mmorpgs like BDO & Runescape & PoE/Diablo have them.

burnt badger
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Wipes are dumb and people grudgingly accept them because devs have the ultimate decision whether to add them

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Rust players hate wipes and garlic player grumble about it when I talk to them

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Players don’t actually like wipes but they put up with them because devs have chosen it

rugged axle
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We will likely see increased stash storage and shared stash tabs across charcters and even adventure guilds in the future.

burnt badger
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Tarkov

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Should keep stash sizes the same and shared between characters to prevent gear being a problem for new players

cyan slate
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As long as the players get something for their achievements for each wipe it shouldn't be that bad. Would be cool to get skins or some kind of trophy thing each wipe based on how well ya did.

burnt badger
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If they do wipes it will be very annoying

cyan slate
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That said, I personally hate regrinding for stuff. nevermind the fact I went to p100 in hunt

burnt badger
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I’d like race class customization too. Multiple races pick your race and your class maybe even race ability too

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Like races get an ability depending on the race

cyan slate
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I'd like that too, hopefully we get something like that once the classes are more ironed out.

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Undead Fighter/Warlock would totally be my jam

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assuming they move forward with the subclass idea

burnt badger
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I may be a minority but I expect the standard races human elf dwarf halfling but I also would hope for kobold because I like the little buggers

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Undead would be lit maybe call them Revenants

cyan slate
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elf/dwarf/halfling may be an interesting situation given the whole hitbox thing

burnt badger
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I just wanna be a lizardwizard

cyan slate
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a dwarf fighter would just be able to look up and block to block pretty much anything lol

burnt badger
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Hahahahaha!!

cyan slate
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I'd be good with the usual human/elf/undead/rest of humanoids of similarish enough height to not be a huge balance problem lol.

burnt badger
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Kobolds 😢

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Stab stab!!

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Kobold rogue 😮‍💨

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I’m a wizard main but kobold rogue 😩😩😩😩😩

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🌈💪👌💯

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But if rogues aren’t your thing there’s always old bearded men in robes for you 😂😂😂

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“Fireeebaaall!”

formal minnow
# burnt badger Wipes are dumb and people grudgingly accept them because devs have the ultimate ...

Wipes usually last up to 6 months in tarkov so if you haven't completed what you've wanted to in that amount of time then that might be on you.. Wipes are good to launch big updates and bring back hype to the game where new players can start fresh with experienced players as well. Also who doesn't love starting from nothing again and working your way back up, the problem with tarkov is the quests feeling extremely repetitive and boring + you have to do them to get good weapons/ammo/gear.. Another thing that's going to help long wipes in this game especially compared to tarkov is the classes. Once you feel like you've played a class to the fullest and you're bored you can swap over and learn and max out another one. Such a good thing for the game imo

thin dragon
limpid fern
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I’d just be worried about cosmetic DLC breaking the meta for some sort of visual issue like that. On both ends of the spectrum, too visible or nearly invisible.

little onyx
formal minnow
keen sluice
gleaming bone
cyan slate
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Put them under a Surcoat and let's do this lol.

crude frigate
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Only games that have bad endgame design need wipes

glass pier
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Some people don't have all the time in the world to grind all day to get good gear and new people don't want to get stomped every time by no lives so wipe is good

lean cargo
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only bad players dont like wipe

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dont at me

glacial tusk
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You dont need to grind in D&D. You will be fully kitted in 1 or 2 escapes which takes 30-40mins

little onyx
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Name one extraction looter that doesn't have this exact issue, tarkov the pros and streamers have lvl 3 traders and raider gear day one, bored in a month, casuals get bored after a month or two aswell because they can't catch up or but in the same effort when getting rolled by these high geared people, high gear leaves due to staleness and such new people or casuals leave due to perceived gear diff and the difficulty of fighting these people. DnD will have the same issue without wipes, week one rush lich and farm gear, week two pvp and then boom the same exact reason wipes are good happens.

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Until someone can use stats or facts not feelings to argue against wipes I'm gonna stand by the fact that they keep it fun fresh and flowing with players both new and old.

glacial tusk
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unfortunately lobbies will be getting rolled immediately by skilled players > those players will then be fully geared within the hour with a stockpile of gold and it will get worse

little onyx
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But you have the same chance as them with a fresh wipe, same potential and starting point so that's a non point in this argument.

cyan slate
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Cream always rises to the top, doesn't matter what game it is. I'm not a huge fan of wipes and starting over but if we get a little something shiny for how well we do each time, I'm good with it. It also gives newer players a "fighting chance" to try to gear up. I use quotations because odds are, they will still get stomped due to lack of game knowledge.

glacial tusk
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you dont have the same chance in most cases. Solo new player vs trio vets = you get rolled. I see what your saying in fresh wipe is great [I love wipes personally], im just pointing out the fact that a vet player is no comparison to a casual/new player at wipe time

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stats already show that new players take 10 games to get 1 escape on average. Vet players will likley get their escapes in the first match

little onyx
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That's not a factor in the wipe argument tho because that's a player variable not a game variable

cyan slate
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I don't think you can view both of those variables in a vacuum for a PvP game.

little onyx
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Ding ding

glacial tusk
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a wipe wont make a new player any better or worse off. It will be the same result each time. The only difference might be that a new player plays the game for a while to learn it, then a wipe happens and they now have skill to get the early wipe headstart

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I like wipes because it brings an influx of players. Without a wipe the playerbase dwindles

little onyx
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It gives them the same(or more even) starting point and potential growth, even without knowledge pre hand vs to start a game where everyone out gears you.

glacial tusk
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It also gives you incentive to play because you don't have every bit of loot available in your stash

glacial tusk
cyan slate
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Just give me a shiny skin or something for a weapon based on performance in the previous wipe and I'm good. I'm a sucker for shiny things.

glacial tusk
cyan slate
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That works too

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just a little something something xD

little onyx
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Arguing semantics and not the point you're not wrong, but that's not the big picture, either way I'm over this discussion Wolfpalm

glacial tusk
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How about access to an abusable real money auction house like diablo 3 did.. rofl

cyan slate
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I made some solid cash off of that one selling garbage rares for like 5 bucks lmao.

glacial tusk
cyan slate
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Agreed

little onyx
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On a case per case basis no, on a overall scale and player perception, yes, is it even at all relevant to the actual context of the specific point, no. The point is lost at this rate haha

glacial tusk
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👋 I need to leave for work, thanks for chat @cyan slate & @little onyx

cyan slate
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Later tater.

little onyx
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Have a good work shift

cyan slate
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Don't be a hater of Christian Slater? idk I'm bad at rhymes lol.

formal minnow
# little onyx Name one extraction looter that doesn't have this exact issue, tarkov the pros a...

I think something you need to realize as well is that the game is so far out from launch that "week one rush lich" isn't exactly a fair stance on how the game will end up. So much unknown and lots of content we don't know about and a lot of time in-between now and the launch so I'm assuming they will scale progression accordingly. They will definitely have wipes for large scale updates, but a big part of the game is how long it takes to get to endgame and how the quests/contracts end up being implemented. Something this game already has over tarkov is that when you get to endgame with one class you can just play another so that adds for a lot of playtime and variability. The entire game state imo just lies on the quests/contract/scaling and finding a way to make it engaging and fun every wipe/big update so the community isn't bored and doing the same things every wipe.

gleaming bone
little onyx
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Everyone is missing the point but have fun discussing it anyway ☺️

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Also you can beat the MOST geared out 5 man team solo naked with the starting pistol in tarkov, saying you can't beat a geared team with tactics is just completely disingenuous

gleaming bone
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"pros" and "streamers" aka people who are full time gamers, who will always have the advantage in every game, just by the nature of their play time

little onyx
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Which ties back into why wipes are statistically better for a games health

gleaming bone
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Wipes just screw over casuals, who will have a hard time either way. I'm sure the devs have a plan for a seasonal type mode tho, their population will be able to support both

little onyx
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But they don't, that's just opinion not analytical data. If someone wants to not be disingenuous and discuss this cool, either way there will be wipes so it's a moot point.

formal minnow
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i think everybody that actually plays loot type games mainly and that is their favorite game type all agree that wipes are necessary. the loot means nothing otherwise lol, the people coming in here disagreeing with wipes probably come from other games or just like the idea of the game. having no wipes or other game modes just isn't practical

woeful kiln
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Do skills/perks go off of magic scaling?

woeful kiln
# formal minnow i think everybody that actually plays loot type games mainly and that is their f...

As a player with thousands of hours in tarkov and around 7 or so wipes as well as 2k or 3k hours in the cycle and marauders. I don't think this game has to have wipes. Like marauders or hunt showdown they could have a "prestige" system that wipes you instead. Or do something along the lines of retiring characters and that could gain a currency to go twords skins or a special vendor that only takes that currency

formal minnow
# woeful kiln As a player with thousands of hours in tarkov and around 7 or so wipes as well a...

imo prestige is just bad because it just kills the ideology of a loot game. i'm going to prestige so i can more reliably get access to higher tier loot but all the loot i just leveled up and worked for got wiped - no point in trying to get high tier loot when it means nothing and i can't do anything with it bc im going to lose it. i'm already rocking my best gear every raid so what am i making money for? i'm sure you could make a good system where you equalize that but seems just cloudy. i never played hunt showdown because as far as i'm aware loot practically means nothing in that game compared to games like rust/tarkov

woeful kiln
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Hunt is in the same genre as extraction shooter but is different as loot is all buyable. Also for prestige to work it would have to have a benefit of some kind. Like skins for example. If I prestige 5 times and get a gold wizard hat to flex on all the players who don't want to all the better. That way the game caters to both player bases. Cuz the casuals who don't prestige can keep their gear and progress while the top tier still have to restart to get ahold of even more stuff locked behind a reset. You could even tie prestige into a leaderboard or a ranked lobby style system.

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If you want to keep your unique dagger that's fine. But when you see me with my gold hat and get jealous... lol

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Trust me I'm not disagreeing with you on wipes. Just saying there could be more than one option available

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I wouldn't mind both options being around tbh

devout crow
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Just queue people based on their VA score

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Problem solved imo

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Wipes not really necessary

lean cargo
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lmao

formal minnow
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yeah i see what you're saying as well i just feel like the system marauders has with prestige is terrible. and overall that's not the point i was tryna make, if you are playing a game where your loot is going to be wiped then what is the point of the loot? i want to fight over points of interests where the better loot lies. the reason i play these games is to have good pvp over good loot. getting out of raids with high value loot where i killed people and actually feel rewarded like it means something. i feel like you can be rewarded with good cosmetics through different things like high kills or high escape rate like they currently have with the leaderboards. for example, online raids in rust is like peak gaming for me because you're literally fighting over your entire loot or their entire loot that hours were spent getting. tarkov fighting on labs or fighting over killa loot or interchange tech stores etc

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another thing is i feel like leaderboards are so bad for the game but i'm hoping its just for the playtests and it will be removed. completely ruined marauders imo

devout crow
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Why are leaderboards bad? I like the leaderboards despite never placing on them

woeful kiln
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Marauders system is bas for sure. I don't prestige cuz there is no reason for me to do it. I'm sitting at lv 81 right now

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Wait what you are crazy if you think leaderboards are bad

formal minnow
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not sure if you've played marauders but all the top players on the leaderboard just disregard how the game is supposed to be played entirely and just breach casuals or newer players and just farm them when they have nothing lol

woeful kiln
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Lol as one of thoes top players I don't do that at all

devout crow
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Not played Marauders, but leaderboards are great in DnD

formal minnow
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yeah man you can be on the leaderboards normally if you play 12+hours a day but you're not going anywhere near top 10

woeful kiln
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I go around on my capital and let people breach me for a good fight then go into the map. Sure not top 10 but sympul is a good friend of mine and he usually plays normally. He is just a streamer so he plays all day

cyan slate
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I'd like leaderboards that weren't just glorified /played stats but that would need a bit of workshopping.

woeful kiln
#

Leaderboards only benefit the game imo. Even on dark and darker you are going to get random players to join your lobby. If your goal is to be a murder hobo and kill everyone then that's your playstyle with or without leaderboards

woeful kiln
formal minnow
#

my problem with the leaderboards is that it shifts the natural gameplay of the game, i think its good to have the stats but and if the devs would announce the rankings at the end of the wipe. but constant public leaderboards ehhh

cyan slate
#

I mean, prestige is still a /played thing.

woeful kiln
#

Not for everyone. But the game would loose a bit of interest for me for sure if we didn't have a leader board

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Cuz if I hit bis gear then I have nothing to do but go around killing everything and that gets boring

formal minnow
#

i mean bro synthetic you played marauders. the game has enough problems at it is but you're telling me you don't think breaching is a problem? going inside a raid and maybe HALF the lobby that loaded in would actually go in, obviously theres other problems that also contribute as well but when you see the "top" players playing like that you don't think others will start doing the same?

woeful kiln
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But with leaderboards they give you other goals

formal minnow
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let me put it this way, i think if the game itself is good enough in terms of progression kind of like tarkov where it forces you to ACTUALLY play the game then leaderboards would be good. then its a positive, but if you can ignore the core gameplay of the game and just run around killing people that is where it becomes a problem because it warps the core gameplay

woeful kiln
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? I don't see how it's a problem tbh I don't usually breach others but have before. It's just another gameplay loop. Like scav runs on tarkov. You can go in get you little Timmy pistol and breach a ship

formal minnow
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i want people going into the raids so atleast they're fighting around something, right now in marauders the breachers fight over absolutely nothing then leave and constantly do it. i want the pvp to be on the map lol, then if its on the map they will just go to points of interests..

woeful kiln
#

That's where skill based matching comes in. I think leaderboreds should be limited to a "ranked" gameplay. That way you run into players of your skill level and leaderboards mean something

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I don't think that will ever happen

woeful kiln
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Que times in that game are like 1min most of the time so it's not like you are loosing out on anything

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But we should stop talking about marauders here lol

formal minnow
#

ngl i just don't think you have an understanding of gameplay as a whole as it regards to the entire playerbase

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regardless of marauders the whole point is that leaderboards in their current state if they dropped on game release it would warp the gameplay. you can't just think about "TOP or GOOD" players, the majority of every game is the casuals, people will watch streamers or "TOP or GOOD" players and copy their playstyles and then it becomes predatory on casual players. that is my whole point. both sides need to be accounted for. it's not good for the game if people are disregarding loot and just running people down for top leaderboard positions.

whole sluice
#

If you could take this discussion to #game-discussion I would appreciate it. Would like to keep this channel a bit cleaner for people just asking a quick question and answer about game mechanics for DaD. Thanks 🙂

latent grove
#

Quick question, Does wearing a shield on your back prevent damage from behind?

whole sluice
#

Nope

cyan slate
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Turtle mode would be cool but then everybody would just have a pavise on their back lol.

rugged axle
#

Are you sure? I thought it did stop dmg

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Wearing the pavise means you dont have a secondary wep its a fair trade off

whole sluice
#

Nope, didn't stop damage

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Having to not protect your back is super strong

terse hazel
#

I think I heard it protects you from ranged or arrows or something but im not sure and these guys are saying nope

whole sluice
#

Nope, first things we tested each time

stuck mica
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Shield on back does nothing like madd is saying

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Old chivalry insticts just make people think that

whole sluice
#

To be fair, I once survived a sniper shot in Pubg thanks to the power of the pan 😄

austere kite
#

will there be patch notes friday?

whole sluice
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Hopefully. They didn't post itemized change notes because of how many small changes they did from the first to the second playtest

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To be fair, there is probably more different than there is same with numerical values and stuff

glad quarry
#

Does the Lich heal when he resets?
i.e, could you shoot him from the door and keep resetting him to kill him?

visual dagger
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yes

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he heals up

terse hazel
#

That actually gives me an idea for a nice throwable, have the devs mentioned a Agro throwable of some kind to grab enemy attention? Maybe like a rat in a bag or something.

whole sluice
#

Nothing like that that we have heard

cyan slate
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That being some kind of noisemaker that is believable could be interesting.

whole sluice
#

Inb4 taunt spray

cyan slate
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lol

stuck mica
terse hazel
#

the Rat bag idea was more to draw them away for a time for movement or losing agro purposes.

stuck mica
#

You can use fake treasure thats taking up inventory space as a throwable too, that would be funny

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Just chucking golden platters at people like frisbees

terse hazel
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Kill someone with a goblet XD

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sorrye this is q-a we need to move chats

stuck mica
#

Lol yeah

zenith solar
#

As mentioned above - > If we could please keep this to simple Questions & Answers vs Discussions.

Thank you 🙂

pure tide
#

backstab any dmg multiplier or just hs?

rugged axle
pure tide
devout crow
neon axle
#

@devout crow I do not believe there is a backstab bonus for every class

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I believe its just the rogue perk

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could be wrong tho

visual dagger
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orange you are correct

neon axle
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Thank you sir

devout crow
#

Ah ok thanks Ektos

visual dagger
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yeah no problem 🙂

rugged axle
#

Not a perk but as far as damage goes, hitting the back/chest has a higher multiplier than hitting limbs doesnt it? And head is the highest?

whole sluice
#

Limbs were 50%, head 150% everything else 100

rugged axle
#

Pocket Sage > Pocket Healer

whole sluice
#

🤣

terse hazel
#

Can you potion while invisible or is that considered an action?

whole sluice
#

Action

simple osprey
#

did they work on the AI ? was kinda easy to get a monster stuck in a staircase and just spam them till they dead

whole sluice
#

Dunno, but if I had to guess only minor tweaks. I think balancing and core gameplay is a bit more important than advanced AI pathing/movesets

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They changed a couple things here and there from the first playtest, but in the end most was minor

sturdy cosmos
#

new to the game and excited for tomorrow. can anyone tell me, are weapons usable by any class or only certain? like can a cleric or wizard use a sword?

whole sluice
#

Although they did add 2 brand new monsters

whole sluice
sturdy cosmos
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i ask bc my friend is looking to play with me but hes very used to skyrim mechanics that are skill point based

whole sluice
sturdy cosmos
#

ok nice! and is the class you choose in the start set as the only one you use at this time?

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or can you switch between them after each game

whole sluice
#

Nope, you can create one of each and swap between. Levels and gear/money are individual based currently

sturdy cosmos
#

ok very cool and it doesnt reset any progress of any character if you swap? it just keeps their own individual

whole sluice
#

Correct

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Think of it as having a roster. Each time you want to play, you pick your character/class and everything they have available to them. Equip them, buy stuff etc... Once in the mission you keep everything you have on you if you survive. That character is then saved to your roster and you can either go again with the same character/class or pick someone else

sturdy cosmos
#

ok awesome thanks again

whole sluice
#

Thats what we're here for 🙂

echo kindle
#

yo, could anyone answer me if there is character model customization planned? including female characters?

whole sluice
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They do wish to have female character models, but I don't know if they've mentioned/discussed customization

echo kindle
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alright, thank you!

whole sluice
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No worries, if you have any more ?s please let us know 🙂

little onyx
#

Some classes already have female models, some don't, atleast in the last test.

whole sluice
#

Female barb OP

echo kindle
#

wait really? i must have totally missed that

sage stone
#

The real question is whether or not they fixed the hair on the female model clipping through helmets

lean saffron
#

literally unplayable

flat kernel
#

Is your stash shared between all your characters or do you have to like droptrade with a friend and then survive?

lean saffron
#

Last playtest you had to droptrade and survive

terse hazel
#

Do protection bubbles protect from the status effect the attack applies?

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Actually second question, do status effects apply to mobs?

whole sluice
flint coyote
#

Hey just watched the video by OnePeg about the changes to tomorrows playtest. Are rogues poisons gonna scale off something else now? didnt know it scaled off magic dmg in the first place XD

Any other changes to rogue? Someone random mentioned a buff a while back. Totally understandable if it just didnt make it into this playtest

Thanks for your work on the game. I'm very excited for tomorrow 😄

whole sluice
#

To be fair we aren't part of the Dev team. That being said, you know about as much as we're allowed to discuss 😄 Unless we get permission to mention things from the Devs the only other info is what they say

#

So a lot of the changes on how things are being changed we aren't sure

#

We just know a lot of things that are changing/changed

flint coyote
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ohhh gotcha. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Thanks for your time anyway lol

whole sluice
#

No worries, we're more than happy to share once we get any go aheads

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But right now they are working pretty hard til the last minute to get things in/changed with the playtest

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Madlads they are 😄

flint coyote
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For sure. I'm glad to hear theyre putting their blood, sweat and tears into it haha. The game has so much potential

whole sluice
#

Ya, they are super passionate about it

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Lemme see if I have anything related to stuff

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We don't know if this will be in but here are some discussions with them

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So possibly some ranger changes from that

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We also know that judgement is getting tweaked slightly

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They are likely nerfing fighters and Rogues

flint coyote
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Thank you for sharing. I only played rogue for the most part, but that's bc I played solo. Rangers seem like they'd be fun in a group

whole sluice
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Yeah, rangers seem pretty solid DPS

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I'm hoping they go more tracking than just person with bow class

keen ether
#

Ranger are a vibe

flint coyote
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I get the rogue change is bc of a bug, but I sure hope my stealthy bois dont get an actual nerf 😦

little onyx
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@whole sluice Let me ask the first part of his question in a different way, We know the bleed doesn't scale off magic now, is there a different stat it does scale off now that you "can" tell us? Or have they not said anything either way anywhere?

whole sluice
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It could go to +phys damage, or maybe the ticks are longer or +phys/+magic doesn't stack on 'dots'

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Could go a variety of ways

flint coyote
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I thought a good idea would be to make it scale off wep dmg

little onyx
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Copy thank you, wasn't sure if the overall scaling was bugged ie not supposed to scale off the stat period, or if the amount of scaling was bugged ie it should scale off magic but was too strong due to code conflicts or etc

flint coyote
#

but I dunno how to balance a game lol

whole sluice
#

Possibly, but that makes more sense for the bleed, not poison. But I do like scaling based on weapons because variety is the spice of life

little onyx
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I just hadn't paid attention enough to figure out that distinction

whole sluice
#

As for poison, I like the idea of either a new stat giving longer duration, or if you have enough +damage it adds more ticks to it

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That way it can still be less 'bursty' but still be enhanced in a meaningful way

flint coyote
#

ohhh I like the way you think

whole sluice
little onyx
#

Well I was under the assumption it is supposed to scale off magic, it was just scaling with the wrong values.

flint coyote
#

the video made it seem like it was never suppose to scale off magic dmg I think

whole sluice
#

To me, it makes more sense for both the poison and bleed to scale off +phys and not +magic damage. Makes sense thematically, but also because having +magic damage would only effect a skill and not primary weapons/attacks etc

little onyx
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Yea I saw you guys doing a bunch of testing, thank you btw, so I didn't do much of my own searching for broken interactions and such

whole sluice
#

Yeah no worries, thats what we're here for 🙂

flint coyote
whole sluice
#

I also like the idea of poison lessening heal while it's active instead of doing damage and having the bleed be the 'damage' dealer

little onyx
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Figured bleed phys poison magic(could be a magical poison after all) so that you would have to spec around one or the other, if they both scale off the same stat then it would be a non choice and have less build diversity, I know everything is gonna change in the year till launch tho lmao

flint coyote
whole sluice
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Yeah, LOTS of changes

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It doesn't help that they have a legit 10 year plan of stuff

flint coyote
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lmao

whole sluice
#

Multiclassing, lots more classes, themed dungeons etc...

flint coyote
#

for real? that's amazing

whole sluice
#

Yeah, the devs are pretty amazing

little onyx
#

It helps me have even higher anxiety for this game to come out already! Oh wait.... Lmao

whole sluice
#

Might be pushing themselves a bit hard here and there, but they are good people

flint coyote
#

I didnt think I could get more excited rn haha

whole sluice
#

Yeah

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I know the feeling

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Malk and I have been together for a few years doing early access games and we haven't been this excited to work with a team in a long time

little onyx
#

But would the bleed be physical and poison be magic so we could have different builds make sense in a way? Either way I'm just brainstorming and I'll see you in general chat haha

flint coyote
#

For sure. It's good to hear about a game studio that's just passionate about making games. Rather than a AAA company just doing what's most profitable. Keep it up! 🖤

paper seal
#

Is there foot pedal support for the game? Checking for a buddy whos only got 1 arm

nimble nebula
#

Aren’t foot pedals just rebound keyboards?

indigo thicket
sand sparrow
#

Is there a penalty to the loot you get when you break a chest?

weak vessel
sand sparrow
#

Thanks

cobalt meadow
#

i hope 1/2 more playtests and EA

crude fog
glacial tusk
#

@weak vessel Which weapons can break chests?

weak vessel
whole sluice
#

Only barbarian with perk. Fireball did not break them. However, you don't gain adventure points for breaking chests. I also want to say that it felt like the loot table was lowered by 1 or so when doing that instead of opening but I don't have a large enough sample size

grand umbra
#

I spent the last day using the perk and it felt great for the speed, but I want to agree with you that it felt a little lighter in the loot table department.

whole sluice
#

I believe once durability comes into play that might take the place of loot table, but again, lacking data 😄

cobalt meadow
#

ah sry u mean chests

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not vases and boxes

cobalt meadow
full knot
#

Last day of testing

wind pewter
#

are there any news regarding changes in the upcoming test?

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or not yet?

whole sluice
#

Not yet

static hedge
#

Hello, dark and darker is not available ? I read last days that there will be an upcoming test on 28th october, was it in closed beta or something ?

visual dagger
static hedge
#

Thanks man!

vast tartan
#

How is everyone doing today!? So I have a question! I uninstalled Dark and Darker awhile back and it wont let me request access right now. Will I have to request access when it comes out at 6 or will I just be able to install it since I played it during the first play test?

visual dagger
vast tartan
#

ok thank you @visual dagger

visual dagger
#

your welcome

odd thunder
#

is armor value specific to the region that it covers? like if i have a high armor chest piece would i take less damage from a shot to the chest? or does the armor provide damage reduction to your character as a whole?

lean saffron
#

i'm pretty sure its not specific to a hitbox area yet. the stats sheet just shows a blanket reduction percentage

odd thunder
#

ok thanks

dry birch
#

Can we predownload?

dry birch
burnt badger
dry birch
#

If you had it downloaded already would you just update or would you have to download the whole thing again

whole sluice
odd thunder
whole sluice
#

My pleasure 🙂

sand sparrow
#

How come punching as cleric doesnt get the blunt damage bonus, is that for balancing reasons?

zenith canyon
versed galleon
#

Where we can post an in-game bug?

sinful vault
#

Can someone explain to me dual wielding on a rogue? is the purpose purely to have a second set of attack animations?

rugged axle
flat kernel
#

So dual wielding daggers is essentially just for a stack stick in offhand right?

little onyx
#

If you want the stats from it yes or like it's attack pattern, but dual welding gives you the movement debuff of both daggers, I usually only use one or the other unless they both give good stats so I'm faster.

shadow otter
#

will lockpicks be purchasable or am i going rogue

halcyon hearth
jovial verge
#

Any chance that unarmed damage can scale with heavy gauntlets? 👀

viral oak
quiet lagoon
#

I played mage last go around, I was just going in blind to the game last time, but was curious if 2h Mage equipment vs 1 handed affects spell damage or it is solely based off the user's stats or if it just affects melee damage.

whole sluice
#

Using two weapons also gives you the ability to cancel attack animations

terse hazel
#

Does your second set of equipment's stats also apply when not wielded?

whole sluice
#

No @terse hazel

whole sluice
cyan slate
#

fingers crossed the sword is good this time

sturdy whale
#

I wonder if crystal sword has been unnerfed or what

whole sluice
#

Seems like a lot of changes so who knows

steep perch
#

I was in the first playtest but uninstalled the game after it ended. I see no option to reinstall... anyone know what I'm missing?

whole sluice
steep perch
#

ah ok so just running a little behind the 6pm start time

whole sluice
#

Yup

steep perch
#

thx

supple swan
#

how do i invite my friends it says their name isn't there

whole sluice
#

You can't truncate it

visual dagger
#

you need to write full correct name

warm knot
#

When is playtest coming out for europe?

supple swan
#

i am on user list writing the whole name and it says user not found

whole sluice
warm knot
#

Ok thx

whole sluice
supple swan
whole sluice
#

Try using caps in the right places, dunno what else to say

supple swan
#

thanks so much it worked

wintry finch
#

does judgement just not work? will not let me cast it

whole sluice
#

Need a target and cast time

wintry finch
#

like im aimed at them

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and i press it while standing still

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and it says no target

radiant hedge
#

went straight in then realizing idk how to leave xD

cold viper
#

yeah judgement seems bugged for me

wintry finch
#

super low range

whole sluice
#

Are you equipped with something that casts spells? I.E. a book? Can't cast with shield + melee weapon

wintry finch
#

can cast with shield melee but only low range

latent grove
#

How do you use your E ability as a cleric??

cold viper
#

oh huh thats new

latent grove
#

Pressing E selects the spell

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but how do you use it

pliant edge
#

Can't switch weapon , 1 to 6 doesn't work it seems :x

tulip lark
#

hello there! is there controller support?

quiet lagoon
#

what happens if you remove spell memory on a mage? can you no longer cast

storm gazelle
#

'How do you cast judgement?

normal ridge
radiant hedge
normal ridge
#

lol

wintry finch
#

does a staff even do anything if you run judgement and smite?

eager helm
blazing bolt
#

how do i use the E spell on cleric after memorizing a spell?

wintry finch
#

im playing solo full melee and smiting people i dont need spells

eager helm
hidden hollow
#

wtf i cant moove forward tried to change language nothing works if i press z/w i only moove in crab i even poped my keys to see if nothing was interferreing but no

pliant edge
#

put your keyboqrd in azerty qnd reset keybind

hidden hollow
#

i was azerty from start

pliant edge
#

qwert

hidden hollow
#

tried everything else after

#

nothing change

#

wtf if i press forward i crab like z+d

#

(crabing to the right)

#

wtf

woeful kiln
#

how do you regain spell slots as a cleric?

hidden hollow
#

i only press 1 key

fallen abyss
#

how to dual wield?

#

i have daggers in 2 slots but they dont work together

cedar jasper
whole sluice
woeful kiln
whole sluice
hidden hollow
#

never saw that at the first playtest

cedar jasper
vestal notch
#

Did they change how Cleric Works>? Judgment wouldn't attack anything, and I can't cast with my mace our now?

hidden hollow
#

wtf i waited so long to playagain 😦

opaque whale
#

are the portals one use?

whole sluice
whole sluice
hidden hollow
#

i even tryed to change my keybord language

opaque whale
#

alright thank you

hidden hollow
#

nothing works

vestal notch
#

I was able to cast before

hidden hollow
#

always crabing to the right

vestal notch
#

hmm

whole sluice
#

Misremembering, mace has never been a cast item

vestal notch
#

guess so

wintry finch
#

yeah i dont know what changed but judgement is garbage

vestal notch
#

I never used the staff though, odd

cedar jasper
wintry finch
#

time to switch fighter i guess

vestal notch
#

but yeah so Judgment did change?

hidden hollow
vestal notch
#

Just keeps saying no target, with people or mobs

wintry finch
#

ive seen people cast it cross room with mace shield in hand now i have to be melee range to cast it

vestal notch
#

^

sour night
#

What does the crystal ball for wizard do?

dull raven
foggy scarab
#

how do you get the candy corns

wraith birch
#

is there parry in this game and how do u do it if it is

stark herald
#

Unable to to place gold into my stash, "Failed to Update Inventory [Result Code 3]

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also when selling , i get a transaction failed message result code 10

pine plume
#

anyone got issues selling?

whole sluice
#

Yeah, merchants seem borked right now

pine plume
#

cant move things to my stash either

balmy bluff
#

anyone know what nimble hands actually does in the ranger perk thing?

#

"when using a bow, change your shooting position so you can shoot faster"

whole sluice
#

New skill, haven't played new ranger so not sure. Might have to try it out in person

vital burrow
#

Does anyone knows what does the magic book or crystal ball does?

#

It doesnt say any dmg only - mov speed

whole sluice
#

All the wizard casting items just changes the movements of spells being cast.

wintry finch
#

uh how do barbarian

#

fighters are just walking at me and it seems unwinnable

worldly dome
#

how do you get your spells back as a cleric?

minor dagger
#

Please someone tell me how blocking works...I understand that facing the attack is where to start but how am i supposed to deal with archers headshotting me with how it is?

scenic iris
#

overextend your block so that your shield covers more of your head

amber anvil
#

treasurer doesnt accept silver coins??

candid saffron
#

How does one meditate?

vestal notch
#

btw the Judgement is 3ft range, that's the issue with it atm

sleek delta
#

how long does the res take to revive ? my friend used it on me and i didnt even get revived

sand sparrow
paper vault
#

when i die i cant see the pov of my friend?

sand sparrow
#

then again its not in the notes I think

terse hazel
#

do wraiths take floor spike damage?

latent grove
#

@whole sluice How do I use the cleric E ability? Pressing E selects the spell but how do I use it then?

minor bolt
#

use staff

blissful current
#

Hold E Scroll to spell you want to use, right click to cast

#

ast least thats how it is for wizard

latent grove
#

Can they not use the spell while having the mace?

minor bolt
#

nope

whole sluice
#

Dunno. Haven't played Cleric yet. It seems like it 'might' be PvE only, and the range is really short and you can't hit anything below the waist, so not on small creatures?

whole sluice
wintry finch
#

judgement and smite can be cast without casting item

#

but judgement is like 3ft range

plain vector
#

"Failed to update inventory [Result Code:3]" and "Transaction failed [Result Code:10]" Any one knows whats the problem? restarted the game restarted my character same issue on some items.

whole sluice
whole sluice
plain vector
sturdy cosmos
#

does the magic weapon damage from the crystal sword boost spell damage?

crude frigate
#

do u only get exp from pve kills?

warm hound
#

servers having issues?

vestal notch
red fractal
#

anyone know when will the portal spawn?

warm hound
#

can anyone else get into a game?

whole sluice
# crude frigate do u only get exp from pve kills?

XP is earned by doing pretty much anything. Killing players, killing AI, opening chests/corpses/portals, escaping, taking a down portal. The largest chunk of xp is going down to the bottom floor followed by escaping.

whole sluice
scarlet lintel
#

What does ranger perk, Nimble Hands do?

#

Something about changing position?

whole sluice
lone crag
#

Does Creep passive from rogue only works when you're crouching? the icon from passive only applys in UI when you crouching, not walking
And if both work, does anyone know wich one produce less sounds/noise for the enemy?

whole sluice
lone crag
#

does it work for PVE aswell right?

whole sluice
#

Not sure tbh, haven't really done enough testing for the new changes this test right now

crisp lion
#

How do you duel wield with fighter?

wind bluff
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keeps saying "user not found" when i type in my friends name. any idea where im going wrong?

lone crag
crude frigate
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pickpocket perk still bad?

whole sluice
whole sluice
wind bluff
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yeah i found them in the list

fading stag
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How do I dual wield on fighter ??

random zephyr
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Is there prereqs to sell the silver coin to the treasurer? He doesnt let me sell to him

crude frigate
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are u supposed to steal someone's item when ur invis next to them or what

whole sluice
crude frigate
whole sluice
solar stirrup
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Is there a different attack pattern with dual wield?

random zephyr
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nvm you have to buy the gold coins with the silver not sell

whole sluice
solar stirrup
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Is there a point with Rogue? Attacks are pretty fast anyways

quartz verge
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how can I deposit items in my stash

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it just wont let me

random zephyr
visual dagger
random zephyr
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or that xD wasnt aware of bug

faint canyon
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how do i cast as a cleric?

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i found the raidal menu, and can select the spell, but what triggers it?

shut ridge
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did they nerf the range on cleric judgement?

vestal notch
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ye

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3ft ish

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range

delicate shoal
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jesus the ghost king is no joke

tough wraith
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how do you cast a spell as a cleric, i have pressed every button

near barn
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switch to your secondary weapon

tepid otter
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can you disable floor traps?

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not the ranger traps

wintry finch
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so how do you safely extract as a team? or do you just gotta find 3 portals?

whole sluice
dire sandal
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maybe i'm just playing it wrong, but rogue feels way too weak

wintry finch
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is selling currently broken? merchants wont take anything

delicate rain
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The game is hard-core crashing my pc

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Black screens, fans running 100%

vestal notch
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woodsman buys almost everything

delicate rain
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Any devs or mods I can talk to?

wintry finch
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no it wasnt that. was an error its working now after reloading

vestal notch
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ah

quick ridge
wintry finch
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yeah

quick ridge
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that's the code im getting at least. relaunched a few times and no luck on a few items still

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getting code 5 and cant move stuff to inventory lol assume player surge?

whole sluice
wintry finch
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friend is getting that one not me though

whole sluice
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Some items are bugged

quick ridge
crude frigate
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did they raise all merchant prices?

quick ridge
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thanks

whole sluice
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If it gives you the error with that item, just dump it on the ground next round

delicate rain
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GPU: 2080S
CPU: 5600X
RAM: 32 GB
PSU: 750w

Game is crashing entire computer after selecting a character :/

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its happened 3 times now

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is there a better tech support chat?

quick marten
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what contributes to more exp gain, example having my inventory full vs empty on escape and also if kills come in as a factor

whole sluice
mental notch
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How do you loot gear on controller?

sand rivet
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anybody knows exact range of clerics judgment?