openai-chatter

[modern linden]

she does either way

[craggy wasp]

Ahhh I've seen it as trying to chisel out of marble but my chisel is very intuitive / sporadic

[modern linden]

ehm best is to name the actual format, method, keyword, etc of said thing u want it to be

[craggy wasp]

So I've got a set thing in mind and dalle is an interesting exploration of that intent

[modern linden]

chances are dalle knows about it, seen it, or u can even use the artists names to emphasis the style

[craggy wasp]

Ah got you

I've got to dash, thanks for all of your help!

[modern linden]

so instead of "a tree" u do "a maple tree, with a red apple hanging on a branch" so be descriptive, explicit

now ofc maple tree's dont have apples, but dalle doesnt care

for all she cares u hang a car up there

lol

good example of naming artists in ur prompt

@craggy wasp i used Rembrandt to emphasis it

then ur iteration will have his traits

like rubbing ingredients onto ur stove

[silver hazel]

Am I the one who’s super disappointed with the inpainting feature applied on uploaded photos?

Or am I just incompetent how to use it

5 attempts so far throughout the days, not a single decent result 🥺😞

[burnt mountain]

Haven't really played with it yet, but I see decent results online! Even here, one guy added in buildings to an uploaded photo. And another added giant turtles with decent results

#off-topic

[silver hazel]

Do you know whether they apply the brush selection over the entirety of the photo or just where they want to apply the edit?

[burnt mountain]

Only where they want the edit

[silver hazel]

😭 that means I just don’t know how to use it it seems haha, practice makes perfect, thanks for the feedback 👌

[slender hornet]

just made this pic with my phone, if anyone wants to do something with it lol

[patent grail]

https://giphy.com/gifs/did-exist-arcs-RfvBXK1m8Kcdq

joanne opening discord today

[modern linden]

@burnt mountain does dalle have the same OCR type detection like Adobe does when it see's banknote's u rekon ?

like this

saw some ppl use banknotes as base, and i knew that was a tricky slope

slippery

im not even gonna test it, coz i do not want trouble

and also welcome back @warm flax 😄

[warm flax]

hi hi! we are back from a weeklong company-wide vacation!

we'll probably be busy catching up on ~ all the things ~ today, but please feel free to tag me w/ questions (if any) and we'll try to answer them towards the end of the workday. thank you to everyone for answering each other's questions / helping each other 😻

[modern linden]

ahyiss 😄

i hope you guys are well rested

coz..oh boy do we have a load of things to ask

😂

nah i wont bombard u...that be boring

but i do have some issues i like to ask u personally, if thats alright

not pressing, just a general idea

[warm flax]

I've declared bankruptcy on my Discord inbox -- email me at [e-mail] please?

[modern linden]

oh lord

that case ill just shelf those questions

their not that important at all

[dreamy notch]

Welcome again! @warm flax

[modern linden]

yes i thought so much, ill bugger off ^^

lol

[silver hazel]

I’m gonna cry

My prompt was “add a photorealistic image of Saturn”

😭😭😭 someone experienced with inpainting help me lmfaoooo

[uncut spoke]

Can you send the original image? I might give it a go

[silver hazel]

That’s so cool! I don’t have the original, these are from 2 days ago when I tried to do this for the first time, but I gave up immediately after seeing my first result. If you can make something out of these and manage to explain how you have all of my respect! 🧢🤟

[uncut spoke]

Not going very well 😂

[silver hazel]

HDJCJDBSHDNCKAL

[silver hazel]

I got so confused as I’m seeing people generating amazing results with this feature…

[uncut spoke]

I got this result with the moon but can't really replicate it with Saturn

[silver hazel]

Oh myyyyyy!!!! Can you share the brush area you went over

In other words, which parts did you erase? A circle, the whole sky, or the whole sky and parts of the building? Or even more?

Also big thanks for your feedback and helpfulness

[uncut spoke]

This is it. The buildings look weird because I went over the edges and dalle tried to expand them

[silver hazel]

Alright, I’ll try to replicate this!!!

❤️👌

[uncut spoke]

Prompt was
The Moon, so massive and large it appears extremely close to Earth and takes up a large portion of the frame, photoshop concept

[silver hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/durant-mvp-most-valuable-player-you-the-real-mvp-basketball-gif-5692998

[zenith crater]

dalle tried adding another watermark to a pic?

[silver hazel]

dall-e said it's a masterpiece 💅

[soft hull]

as he should 😍

[dreamy notch]

I do some experiments at adding a skyscraper to the Vancouver Skyline

[modern linden]

those look nice

[dreamy notch]

The tall tower of the third image looks like a skyscraper designed by Helmut Jahn

I do the same with Mar del Plata

[modern linden]

almost reaching 2k iterations XD

[soft hull]

Oh yeah

and of course they banned 'fursona' too

😭

Actually I cant blame them for not wanting a significant amount of results to be furry-related

'them' as if this isn't 'their' server

[silver hazel]

#daily-theme message

@visual wave you think it’s gender bias if all of my “a robot farming” generations are female robots?

[tall gate]

does anyone feel dalle made them more creative and their dreams more vivid?

[tall gate]

totally

[tall gate]

what happens when you change where they are farming? like a greenhouse, a field, a garden

[silver hazel]

I generated this yesterday using a robot farming inside of a vertical farm (no specified gender) and that resulted in female robots as you can see. I can try some more later today when I have credits

[soft hull]

not really

most of my creative juices go towards music

[silver hazel]

Yes and no. Knowing I can generate whatever I want is awesome, but then also knowing that virtually anyone will be able to generate anything in less than a year (when DALL-E goes public) kind of upsets me in the way that I should really take the time to reinvent what art means to me and how will I proceed with creating art in the future.

[soft hull]

i would feel more creative if it allowed 'furry art' and 'fursona' lol

that reaction was warranted

[tall gate]

thats funny because i do music too and i feel it made my writing better

[soft hull]

how??

it's literally an image synthesizer

[tall gate]

ahh i would consider that being creative in the way you want to express yourself, almost like it pushed you

[tall gate]

writing more creative concepts with songs , maybe more ridiculous than I would have in the past

[soft hull]

what daw do you use?

[tall gate]

logic and FL

[soft hull]

or do you use acoustic instruments?

ah i see

fl is cool, i have to say it definitely looks nicer than ableton lol

[tall gate]

nah im more a producer and writer than doing instruments

ableton is super flexible though i hear

[soft hull]

yeah but visually it looks kinda outdated lol

[tall gate]

oh yeeah v true

[soft hull]

plus i only really use it for very heavily electronic stuff

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tall gate]

yeah i hear thats what its great for, i used it for two days and like the ability to switch loop patterns around instantly

well...variations of the same loop pattern

[silver hazel]

Yes, I think art will change tremendously in the upcoming years (way more conceptual)

[civic wadi]

Typically I record in FL studios (I should be using Logic) and from there will export into Ableton, nothing beats Ableton’s 808s! I got this method from Ugly God lol

[tall gate]

I need to check those out! i've been moving to log drums mostly

[silver hazel]

wHaT wAs tHe pRoMpT triggers me so bad 😭🙏

idek why…

[tall gate]

for me its basically like giving out recipes to those who didn't go to culinary school , maybe thats gatekeeping, but idk

[modern linden]

this

[tall gate]

I went to design school , so had a deep understanding of how to describe form and shape , art history, etc, thats why i think everyone and their mom wont be instantly good at this type of stuff

[modern linden]

same XD

[tall gate]

when i let my family try to make prompts, they just used it like Google

[modern linden]

did a college for GFX design

[silver hazel]

I’m 100% for sharing prompts and not being a gatekeeper (well, at least not 24/7), but every time I get asked for prompts is for the most OBVIOUS photo 😭😭😭

[modern linden]

it does help alot to know the terminlogy

@tall gate

😂

[tall gate]

i dont mind sharing prompts, but if im doing a series, i don't want anyone copying me for at least a week since i can't monetize what i'm making via nfts lmao , but thats just me

[silver hazel]

And there seems to be a prompt craze on Reddit. 9/10 people asking for prompts are not dall-e users. Are they collecting them? Hysteria about the future?

[modern linden]

yep, i mean ppl hog toilet paper in an epidemic,

their weird

no logic to be found

i think they genuinely dont know wth their doing

[tall gate]

and since you can make make dalle paintovers and sell them, thats basically giving people ideas and not getting any comp for it if they go and start using your exact prompt to make money, which idk, thats kind of a grey area for me

[silver hazel]

I’m sure you know, but dall-e NFTs are prohibited for now 🤝

[modern linden]

😂 but too proud to admit that

[tall gate]

yes, and i havent posted any free art since nft's got popular , dalle is the only art i post thats free from me

[modern linden]

perhaps its wise to explain, what is you and what part is tool.

[silver hazel]

Yeah, it’s an interesting topic.

Do you feel connected / feel ownership over the prompt you came up with. In the end of the day it’s literally a text sentence describing (in most cases) art that’s already been invented by somebody else.

So do you guys feel sentimental over your prompts?

[tall gate]

It's still 'your idea'

you know what i mean?

[modern linden]

yeah

but like u said, ppl change a corner and suddenly go "i made that"

lol

[tall gate]

if you give that away, you have screwed yourself as an artist

[modern linden]

hmm

[silver hazel]

It’s very diabolical having in mind OpenAIs goal is to be “open” and accessible for everyone.

And then here come us, the artists, who are like “No!!!“ hahahah

I definitely felt weird over the days. I want to share prompts, but At the same time, I dont.

[tall gate]

especially a commercial artist, because then if someone from hollywood loves the prompts you make because you have great ideas, and someone has now taken your prompt and made like 500 variations and posted them elsewhere, taking that attention you should have gotten for you creative writing proccess, how can the recruiter be sure that prompt-reproducer person wasn't the person to originally come with the prompt? It's such a grey area

[silver hazel]

plagiarised prompts!!!

ah; the future.

[tall gate]

I think the idea is to let the tech be open sure, but each person should have the choice if THEY want to be open with their creative process

the internet has even basically rewarded being open to the creative process by making tutorial videos and 'sharing how you made something' an algo cheat code

[silver hazel]

Well I think a social marketplace should be introduced to DALL-E in general so copyrights can work and artists will be respected & able to make $$$

[modern linden]

i like that idea

a good starters base too

to develop your styles

and extend on them

i mean art and open is nice and all, but wont get me food on the table.

it is what it is

right?

[tall gate]

That's also the difference too, some people are referencing exact artists, but other people are using words that describe techniques to create new ideas --

[modern linden]

sometimes you gotta make due

[silver hazel]

I suggested to transform our gallery pages into social profiles like Instagram, but with a Pinterest aspect - you can create boards / collections with organised generations inside.

And then a marketplace aspect will be being able to sell or lend your prompt (imagine you can directly buy the copyrights or you can lease the copyrights of a prompt, you click a button and the text prompt is revealed to you, then if you use it for commercial you end up paying royalties to the OG)

[tall gate]

I do think at the end of the day, the creatives that really output high quality stuff shine through always , those people will be found and do commercial art projects eventually from a big studio

[modern linden]

i think wombo.art did something similar, u can mint NFT's build-in at their generation page

[tall gate]

great idea

[silver hazel]

I noticed people on this server hate the idea of NFTS, rightfully so

[tall gate]

for instance, lets say if you used the reference of an artist or movie in your prompt, some of those funds go to the artists that made the original reference image , or maybe you cant commercially use that.....but if you find a way to recreate that look just be describing techniques , its fair game for the prompt engineer to sell or do whatever they want

[silver hazel]

I can see big companies using predominantly freelancer artists in the future by simply leasing their copyrights or just freelance hiring them for a specific image they (the big companies) have liked from the artists portfolio

But it’s such a touchy subject and there are so many variables

[tall gate]

other than 'the environment' or 'digital goods shouldn't be limited by scarcity' i don't get why people hate nft's when they could literally be setting up a guaranteed royalty system for their art being sold on the internet

you dont want control of your own auction market for your art?

[silver hazel]

I can’t imagine how many aspects you have to keep in mind while building a copyrights policy, let alone a viable future-proof business model

[tall gate]

its kinda weird to me personally

I get royalties off each trade when someone trades work I've made, i dont get why people dont want that

[silver hazel]

We should keep in mind the general public is uneducated and mostly misinformed regarding all things crypto and AI

[tall gate]

i see more artists against nfts than non artists

[silver hazel]

It’s gonna take a while to transition into a fully digital world, but I think that’s also a good thing, because it’s vital to establish guidelines and laws that work for us, and not for the 1%, not to get too political

[silver hazel]

Because some of them honestly feel robbed. Most NFTs recently have been either lump-generated (1001 monkeys) or are a total scam. It’s very rare to see an OG NFT piece with an actual concept.

That’s what turns off artists from NFTs, for now, imo

[tall gate]

people think of dumb characters when they think of nft's, they dont think of things like access keys, tickets, actual utility to make their life easier and trackable without another entity telling you you can and cant do something -- i used to make free augmented reality filters on instagram, at the end of the day, thats basically just giving instagram more money, and i have to hope that i get found by someone to want to pay me to make one --- instead, i eventually partnered with an engineer who created an NFT site where I can post AR filter NFT's and only the people who pay for the NFT can use the AR filter. Now I'm not locked to instagram , and i'm getting the benefits instagram gets.

[silver hazel]

Also it’s so environmentally unfriendly currently, that’s also one of the main reasons why conscious people steer clear from NFTs

[tall gate]

to me this is just ignorance on the artists part to not do research beyond what they see in the news

[tall gate]

eh we should just stop using the internet and stop doing a lot of things if we go there, so manycorporations do trillions of times more damage daily than minting a monkey pic

but everyone still shops at amazon

so you gotta ask why so much resistance now when artists can feel liberated

[silver hazel]

Yeah, I agree with you, but I also think that NFTs are a young, new thing and it’s our duty to establish a concrete base of laws & morals as early as possible.

I think it’s not a bad thing to notice that NFTs require a ton of energy - this conversation can only help us by pushing us to invest in renewable energy sources as well as optimising everything crypto.

Just like in capitalism competition breeds innovation, here we can be inspired from what’s not working and make it work for the present & the future ahead

But again it’s such a 360 sided subject that’s it’s really hard to have a definite answer or POV

[tall gate]

It not bad to notice it, but its also alarmist to think it would even stay like that knowing how fast tech evolves. Plus there were already alternative that existed before people even knew what NFT's were. Lack of info.

[silver hazel]

And IMO if we truly let the GP and their actions decide the future of our lives , we are doomed 😃😃😃

People will wreak havoc and shit on the streets if they could,

[tall gate]

Well they CAN, but who is the entity telling them they can't, and why is that entity telling them they shouldn't? what interest does that protect? who even put that entity in power? That to me is the issue right now of how a lot of authority is in control of how people's lives should be run. Like Banks locking people out of accessing their money , government telling you that house your grandma bought in the 1900's is about to be turned into a park and there's nothing you can do about it because of Eminent Domain Law -- Thats the basis of crypto, breaking away from establishment of major control and overreach. If we can add that as the basis of peoples understand of crypto when creating that protocol of usage in the future, im sure we would have even cleaner solutions to PoW and PoS systems even faster because the interest is now breaking out of the authoritative systems that ruled us in the past.

That's really my thoughts on it imo, not really here to stir the table , but just to educate why i fell in love with it in 2013 way before these monkey pictures got popular lmao --- im more a fan of the fair pay of artists and getting what they have deserved for centuries

[silver hazel]

I totally agree with you and I think it’s up to us to figure out how to properly voice our opinions in a way that helps shaping the narrative for the better

[tall gate]

i stupidly sold this btc at $120 fyi lmaoo

[tall gate]

Totally ! I'm all for building the right protocol so companies to end up ruining this as well

[slender hornet]

im sorry what do you mean by that?

[silver hazel]

Just a little observation I made as I am not the only user who had been affected by a downvote avalanche for forgetting to mention prompts. That’s why I stopped posting on Reddit as often. I share prompts 💯, but the vibe I get from Reddit is very aggressive. I keep sharing there, but just not as often. Here it makes way more sense to share more.

And also on that specific Reddit you have user flairs - verified dall-e users. Those who aggressively ask for prompts (not personally under my posts, as I said I’m not the only one who noticed this) are people who don’t have access. Maybe they are just curious? But again just an observation & personal opinion

[slender hornet]

@tall gate
im sorry but copyrighting prompts is an absolutely crazy idea that will never happen.

first because there are only so many prompts you can do, secondly because all prompts are just normal words and sentences e.g. nothing that can be copyrighted, and thirdly because there is simply mot a lot of work involved i creating a prompt. its just 400 characters max.

if this would exist i would just create thousands upon thousands of generic prompts and copyright them all.

[soft hull]

[silver hazel]

Yeah it’s a very interesting subject. I asked earlier do artists feel sentimental to their prompts? Fun to think about

[slender hornet]

because apart from those two reasons, NFTs also dont bring anything new to the table (the Steam marketplace is a thing that has existed for years now with no NFT technology needed) and are mostly scams. most NFTs also use stolen art.

[soft hull]

copyrighting prompts would be so stupid

[soft hull]

tbf it is a bit of a silly concept lol

[slender hornet]

and "guruanteed royalty system"...

my man i have commissioned a brazillian artist to draw me something 4 times now without any NFTs needed

all i needed was PMs and paypal.

[slender hornet]

good. so there is still hope.

[soft hull]

like, this is definitely beating a dead horse, but the fact that what you are purchasing is solely represented by a png image with the only apparent value coming from that only one person on the blockchain can have it at once is just artificial scarcity

[soft hull]

i wonder why

[modern linden]

hehe

of all things...

[slender hornet]

crypto in total uses the energy output of argentinia to create things that dont really exist and have no real use

[slender hornet]

i know an artist who draws wonderful Horizon fanart who had multiple of her artworks stolen and made into NFTs. im sure she feels very liberated.

[slender hornet]

because amazon has a use. also, people want more regulation against amazon lol.

[modern linden]

you think liberated is the right name for being robbed?

😂

interesting

so i rob your car and later i tell ya, oh but i smashed it into a minted NFT picture, you'd be fine with that?

what car do u have?

wanna make sure its worth my while XD

[slender hornet]

Like Banks locking people out of accessing their money,
you mean like those cryptoscams locking people out of their wallet?
government telling you that house your grandma bought in the 1900's is about to be turned into a park and there's nothing you can do about it because of Eminent Domain Law --
thats a good thing. a new thing that can benefit many shouldnt be cockblocked by just one person. governments and courts usually always carefully weigh the benefits vs the drawbacks and usually compensate the owner well too. if they dont, then the problem does not lie with the governments ability to do this but with the government or court itself.
Thats the basis of crypto, breaking away from establishment of major control and overreach. If we can add that as the basis of peoples understand of crypto when creating that protocol of usage in the future, im sure we would have even cleaner solutions to PoW and PoS systems even faster because the interest is now breaking out of the authoritative systems that ruled us in the past.
well so far the lack of regulations which you tout as a good thing has only lead to old school scams resurfacing. and i gladly take euro parity with the dollar over losing 50% worth over a year from a crypto crash.

[slender hornet]

what do you mean by forgetting to mention prompts?

you mean like you post your result (the picture), people ask what the prompt was, and then you dont answer?

i mean, yeah, thats rude. i dont understand why you would guard your prompt that much. really selfish imho. they arent worth anything as i explained below.

[slender hornet]

i was being sarcastic obviously

[silver hazel]

It’s not that serious, friend, it was a one-time event and I shared my observations that I got massively downvoted for my first Reddit post. Me and @tall gate had a very broad and interesting conversation beforehand, I think it’ll be interesting to read.

And as I said there - this topic has many, many sides and aspects to keep in mind, so it’s hard to have a definite answer to virtually any question.

@tall gate and others touched on why some artists may feel sentimental to their prompt ideas and I think that’s a pretty valid POV, having in mind that DALL-E is considered a visual tool.

[modern linden]

i was entertaining the thought 😛 coz it was funny tho 😂

not the theft ofc

[lofty birch]

I think it’s the prerogative of the user to provide the prompt and that’s fine. They’re obviously “worth” something since they are highly sought when not provided

The whole regime around intellectual property feels strained and outdated at this juncture so it’s hard to apply these concepts as they have existed to this new time we are in

[modern linden]

i feel the same way

needs a new jacket

new base

[lofty birch]

Not to say that some protections shouldn’t exist, but yeah new ideas in this space are necessary

[modern linden]

its a fase

[lofty birch]

i guess stated another way, i would regard the sharing of prompts as a generosity rather than an obligation, and if certain communities want it to be one of their accepted norms that the sharing of prompts is expected, than that allows all parties to participate or not participate to their own liking, etc

i do agree that the protection of prompts via something like copyright seems ... infeasible... but with the very legal status of the images themselves being so indeterminate right now, i'm less worried about the prompts 😂

[lofty birch]

A million monkeys typing prompts into a million AI terminals lol

[tall gate]

have you asked a person who isn't creative to make a prompt? it doesn't turn out that good...to say that 'its just a prompt' doesn't really give credit to the artist who spent years developing a taste level on references that they personally already use to create a look to even generate a decent prompt or even know how to fix a prompt to be more aesthetically pleasing

and just because a platform has stolen work doesnt mean the entire thing is dumb...that's like saying why buy louis Vuitton purse in Manhattan when you can just get a knockoff on canal street

ive made money off of original works create by myself from nft's , i get instant royalty when people trade them...honestly i'll keep fucking doing it too

[tall gate]

just because there are scams doesn't mean there aren't actual benefits from other providers. in that case , never visit a city street because 'all the people on the street are scam artists' lmao

and you can make a thousand prompts, but how many of those thousand are actually creative, interesting, don't need edits, don't need inpainting

I'm done though, everyone has opinions on everything, that's the cool thing about life

[tall gate]

meanwhile an artist made original elements needed to make these generative pieces....

[lofty birch]

Yeah, Yuga Labs gave All Seeing Seneca a pittance for her concept work that became the BAYC collection. Luckily she has gotten more attention out of it that she has been able to leverage into some of her own NFT sales, etc

[tall gate]

yeah, they royally screwed her over, also i personally hate BAYC and what it represents too, for what its worth...i just know more actual legit artists breaking out of having to do commercial commissions and now are doing their own thing and using nft to fund bigger projects

[soft hull]

That's literally it. 'Original elements'.
These dice-roll monkeys are literally not even made in whole, just small fragments pieced together in different permutations and sold individually. How is that not just scamming money out of people?
I don't really want to bring up how visually unappealing they look because that is just even more beating to a dead horse

[tall gate]

but the artist was involved, that's like someone taking some drums you make and using it in 15 of their songs

[soft hull]

Music and art are not very comparable, though.

[tall gate]

and how it looks isnt the argument here

yes it is, when it comes to how both things are produced now commercially

[soft hull]

I literally said that it is "just even more beating to a dead horse"

[soft hull]

Drum samples are absolutely not the same as RNG jpegs

[tall gate]

im talking about the process of making elements for use in a bigger work

i would know since ive done stuff for RCA, Atlantic, Sony, etc

[lofty birch]

i mean, people steal music samples and sell them as part of sample kits so it's not the worst comparison 😂

[tall gate]

exactly they do it all the time, but when it comes to this 'one new thing' people go crazy

[soft hull]

For music, reusing drum samples is typically supposed to sound good.
The individual elements of bored ape NFTs clash with each other

[tall gate]

yes but the outcome is till the same...someone took something, and made a bigger thing...doesnt matter if you like it or not

someone still made money off both things

[soft hull]

Yeah, a lot of scams are supposed to take money off of people

💀

[tall gate]

like a 9-5?

[soft hull]

as in? you mean?

do you mean, like, 9 to 5? work hours?

[tall gate]

yep

[soft hull]

are you specifically referring to a job of which has work hours ranging from 9 am to 5 pm?

[tall gate]

yes

[soft hull]

"a 9-5" to me just means 4

[tall gate]

kidna pointless honestly to continue, we have differing opinions about the process of something , but the output is still the same

[lofty birch]

friends, lets focus on what we can agree on. we all know BAYC looks like garbage 😂

[soft hull]

not another acronym of which i don't understand

[lofty birch]

its the acryonym of the image collection you were criticizing 😛

[soft hull]

ohh

bored ape yacht club

yeah they do look like garbage

to be fair though a lot of nfts dont look like garbage

most of them do, but there are some visually appealing ones

[tall gate]

right even i agree with that lmao, but those dudes could not have drawn it to even look appealing to be collected in the first place, there's a lot of trash original nft's because the art itself is actually not foundationally skillful, the artists still had to have some idea of proportion to even make the monkey look like a monkey, the artist was more involved in the process that people realize

[tall gate]

thats all im saying honestly

the creators of bayc are not artists

[soft hull]

I thought you were saying that whilst it can be overlooked the role that an artist takes in the creation of NFTs is more vital than most would assume it to be

[tall gate]

but the person who actually drew the images to be fed into the machine IS a very skillful artist

[tall gate]

yeah i am kinda also saying that as well , the art itself is still proportionally sound and that is credit to the artists who drew each of those elements

[soft hull]

In my opinion, credit is always due

[tall gate]

1000%

I'm a big fan of Artist made NFTs, not this rando junk going around

[soft hull]

Are you specifically making your point about the role of artists because there is a problem with crediting them or something?

[tall gate]

because at least you know its the artist making them, there are ways to validate if it is the artist but using other social media to double check

[tall gate]

I'm more so stating that I feel most peoples beef with NFT's aren't even about the NFT's being directly sold from an Artists (Fvckrender, Jama Jurabev, Huxley, Beeple) ...so the actual value proposition of the entire system is fucked because of so many actual scammers and big companies come in and use these artists skills to make some cash grabs and bounce (BAYC, NBA Top Shot, VeeFriends) and people using 'art' to sell an 'exclusive' community ecosystem. Some artists are literally just trying to mint their digital render, hope it trades in the future , hope to get a royalty, and that's it. That is not scamming.

[alpine sluice]

late response but I also found out these being banned a while back

[soft hull]

Should I suggest they get un-blacklisted in #suggestions? I wouldn't say it would be met with a response

[alpine sluice]

Potentially, although I wonder why they are banned in the first place. I'm sure there is a reason

Someone had mentioned there are some prompt workaround that can get similar results that you might be looking for which I thought was useful
#❌┃prompt-help message

[lofty birch]

gotta keep fursona commission work for human artists going somehow ^_^

[hidden canyon]

Expanding images feel like this

[soft hull]

i can still make furry art lol im just wondering why the phrase directly is blocked

[lofty birch]

Two theories Re: fursonas. 1: some users were too often trying to make explicit imagery with this prompt. 2: there was too much explicit imagery already associated with this keyword represented in the training data? Anyway I don’t know anything I am just a guy with my little folk theories about how AI works lol 😂

[alpine sluice]

That's what I am thinking as well

[silver hazel]

I’m just learning there’s “SFW” furry art

[worn forge]

you're missing the point of BAYC

it's meant to look like shit

the designers were high tier artists, not one pixel is placed by mistake

the whole scheme is an elaborate trolling campaign by a group of esoteric nazi artists

ever wondered why they look...

a bit racist?

there's a whole documentary on it

it's an extremely subtle ruse

[soft hull]

but why

[worn forge]

good question

maybe just for shits and giggles

maybe

well, can you think of a few reasons why esoteric fascists would want to get their hands on a billion dollars?

can you think of a few things they could do with a billion dollars?

...I can think of a few things.

[tall gate]

another reason why bayc is trash

[worn forge]

they should literally be destroyed for purposes of national security

I'm not saying they're definitely going to use the money to sponsor terrorism

but if I were an esoteric accelerationist fascist who believed that America needs a race war to cleanse it of the impure subhumans

I would use it to sponsor terrorism

A billion dollars is a lot of money

Imagine all the guns, bombs, training for terror recruits, illegal black market weaponry, political destabilization

that it could buy

[lofty birch]

I hope Seth green never makes his NFT tv show lmao oh well. My enemies are in power

[hidden canyon]

Hey

Uh nevermind

Okay I'll just ask it in questions

[worn forge]

his NFTs got stolen

because the technology is awful, designed by idiot ultralibertarians, and the only real use is skirting the law

it's incredibly easy to rob people's crypto and get away with it

[hidden canyon]

Lol almost all my ttrpg group got access today

Because they joined at the same time on day 1

Now imagine this

Every action we do in the campaign

Illustrated by dalle

[lofty birch]

Yeah but he bought them back… it brings me no joy to know this

[sage trail]

Yeah, I've done a bit of this already, haha

I think a lot of people were added today - DALL-E is crawling...

[fluid mango]

I came here to see if anyone else was having the same delays. I didn’t even wait it out, it was so slow

[sage trail]

It's generally getting there

Eventually

First time I've had it getting to the end of the progress bar 😛

[slender hornet]

ive seen it (ok i watched another youtube watch the video because immone of those guys who likes react videos, sue me)

there were some points in favour of them being nazis, but overall... unsure. but i already have a low enough opinion of NFT people as is so its whatever

[worn forge]

I used to be "in" that circuit and let me tell you

they got it all spot in

I'm fully convinced

[rough lava]

website playing up today? keeps resetting, failing or doing nothing

[burnt mountain]

Same experience. It's getting stuck here:

[rough lava]

yup

[modern linden]

😂

@burnt mountain

[burnt mountain]

Been like this for hours now. Refreshing the kinda works?

[modern linden]

since yesterday 😛

their most likely bust on it

little typo in there, but that be alright

[burnt mountain]

Interesting, it knows DALL•E

[modern linden]

oh yeah it does

their basically the same "family"

if u break it down

they both have natrual language as interface

whats even more funny if u ask questions you would ask a dev

im mean i dont what part. but clearly the AI seen something in there thats wrong XD

lol

[burnt mountain]

I've been using it for creative means

[modern linden]

nice 😄 me too

AI has wicked idea's

[burnt mountain]

It didn't quite get the six word requirement though.

[modern linden]

if u turn up the temp

[burnt mountain]

Need to play with the settings.

[modern linden]

what are ur setings ?

temp ?

[modern linden]

also lock the output max length to 60

coz this will eat tokens

basically u ask its creativity to randomize it, that is bound to spit out lots of tkens

[burnt mountain]

Not bad though.

[modern linden]

ur economical 😛

grant 2 already ur an active one

this is also a good indication of what dall-e might do with payment systems

i think sometbhing like this

[rough lava]

you have to pay for that?

[modern linden]

at some point yes

but we are (or i am) in a free grant

its not much, cents ...single figures

[rough lava]

ok lol

[modern linden]

very doable, not overly crazy

no OpenAI has a real good feel for fair pricing as far i can tell

at least to me it is

other websites that sells these services ask sometimes very weird prices that dont seem to add up

if u look at Codex

for comparison

im just freestyling these

but if u got something u wanna see an AI solve

shoot!

[burnt mountain]

I believe you're mistaking GPT-3 to Codex

[silver hazel]

What is the codex pricing

[modern linden]

yes im using GPT not the codex one, that one is for coding

literally

lol

[silver hazel]

What’s the pricing of other visual AIs anyone know*?

[modern linden]

im also using that

Copilot is a variant of that

Github's

Copilot is cool too

[burnt mountain]

Co-created with OpenAI Codex

[modern linden]

yeah like i said, their all Brothrens

[burnt mountain]

For MJ, it's $10 for basic. $30 for standard. Monthly.

[silver hazel]

Oh, so it’s a subscription?

[modern linden]

i like this plan Pay as you go

adapts to ur style and behavior

[silver hazel]

Very interesting!

[modern linden]

thats very doable

[sage trail]

GitHub Copilot is now charging $10/month

[burnt mountain]

Not sure why is there an approximate sign for the 200 images.

[sage trail]

It's based on CPU running time. That can vary a bit between images.

[silver hazel]

Perhaps there’s a daily limit? Which will be very whack +-6/7 a day

[sage trail]

MJ keeps tracked based on CPU hours

[silver hazel]

What do you guys prefer for DALL-E: credit system or subscription?

[modern linden]

yeah they recently informed they are phasing out the testing 😛

[sage trail]

Depends, to be honest. I've been using the GPT-3 token system and I don't mind it as a user.

[modern linden]

same

[sage trail]

Not sure how I feel about it if I'm on-charging use of the API for my own customers.

[modern linden]

for what it gives me back, i think is more then plenty, if u would ask a private tutor, u'd pay a high price comprared to this alternative

Github teaches me as well while as im going

copilot*

[sage trail]

Yeah, I was in the beta. I've signed up to pay once they start charging.

It saves me at least that much time just writing documentation and tests alone

Not 100% reliable for code generation, but decent

[modern linden]

i love how wildy aware Copilot is of your code

little demo

[sage trail]

Funny thing is that Codex is 100% definitely trained on some open source code I wrote

[modern linden]

yeah, but interpretes the usage

so its NOT what ppl think "copy pasting"

it uses elements yes

[sage trail]

My code amongst many others, of course, but it emulates the unique documentation style exactly

[modern linden]

only if ur license allowed it

ppl forget they are in control of that

lol

[sage trail]

Sure, it's not against the license

Just interesting

[modern linden]

well im sure u heard some pro's being very reluctant about this

license wise

[sage trail]

Sure

[modern linden]

but they seems to misunderstood it

[sage trail]

I'm philosophical about it

[modern linden]

im open, but i dont expext such new idea to be perfect at first glance, give it time to mature is my message

to them

[sage trail]

In general, I'm pro open-source, and just because a robot decides to use my open source code, not really that big a deal

[modern linden]

its already powerful, its oozing "power" but it needs to be harnessed

in a proper way

shaped into a tool

that works with everyone and everything

[modern linden]

its slow today

indeed

u guys rekon thier tinkering with it ?

[blissful summit]

it slow too

[burnt mountain]

Damn, I just posted in #bugs-and-issues

"Generations now ranging between 0:30 to 2:00 for me. Just me?"

[blissful summit]

i think there is lots of people using it now

they jsut added a new batch of invites!

[burnt mountain]

It was 10-20 seconds days ago ☠️

[modern linden]

same

but dont be "reversing or "backspace" it, it will finish

[burnt mountain]

I have a variation running now

It's been 3 minutes since I pressed the generate button for variations

I'll see if it finishes without refreshing

[blissful summit]

i've took a break with it for now tho anyway, i got to test it enough to see what it can do and had fun, i'm sorta expecting they will make a bigger and better DALLE soon

[burnt mountain]

DALL•E 3

[burnt mountain]

It got cancelled.

[modern linden]

yeah nuke that might give probs

thats what i was about to explain

-.- lol

these prompts are basically API rest requests, they remain active even if ur browser goes bonkers

so refreshing will only mismatch the que and ur current new one

i recommand not doing that XD

if it truly lost all time, like 5mins or more..then yes thats bonkers all the way

but try to give it some slack

better is to just start a new screen with the same or different prompt

if u lucky sometimes it is finished already in the prompt history

thats like your backlog so to speak

im sure the devs made a time threshold, must be

seems 3mins or less is the trigger

[blissful summit]

md d2 folder is 6GBs lol

tho they are fullest possible resolution

[modern linden]

fullest? nah they can go higher XD

way higher

i rekon dall-e operates on 25% performance

or something

[blissful summit]

(530 items, each 6 images generated)

[modern linden]

trust me, it wants to be precise

lol

[blissful summit]

by fullest i mean i saved my generations

[modern linden]

ah ok my bad

there is a limit on that collection tab tho

1k images

i believe

[blissful summit]

i would have maybe used Collections but i couldn't upload ones i made tho....i could go back to my history but now i missed that chance oh well

[modern linden]

hehe

[blissful summit]

"collection tab"

Collections i think you mean

i meant i had saved mine to my PC

so 530 * 6 = i stored 3180 of my fav d3 iamges lol

d2*

[soft hull]

Generation time taking a lot longer for anyone else

?

[modern linden]

yes

we all seen it

[silver hazel]

RIP GOOD OLD TIMES

[pulsar topaz]

Yes, just came here to ask

gets to 98%~ then just sits and sits and sits

[soft hull]

They do generate eventually but this one I'm doing now is taking even longer than the rest

oo

it's done

[pulsar topaz]

yeah, eventually

each one seems to be taking longer too

Wonder if they have a DDoS happening or just general server issues

[modern linden]

give it 3mins, if it exceeds that, its prob cancelled

Nuke told me it was something like that

3mins ~

give or take

[soft hull]

Here's a mandelbrot set pokemon

that was able to generate

[burnt mountain]

Probably a surge of invites

[soft hull]

Maybe

one of my friends got access

[pulsar topaz]

After about 6 minutes

[modern linden]

yeah thats way too long

[silver hazel]

AI fatigue is real

[modern linden]

like i said, 3mins is the estimated threshold

[soft hull]

oh god

dalle2 times are approaching craiyon times

💀

[pulsar topaz]

and weird, it actually generated the image and added it to the side

even though it says it was cancelled..

[modern linden]

yeah coz its an API rest request (i assume, coz it sort behaves like that)

it remains active

for a period of time

[patent grail]

wow is it down

[pulsar topaz]

No my most recent query just ran in a minute ish

[patent grail]

same

[modern linden]

just give it slack boys, the more we force it, the less reactive it becomes

[patent grail]

tbh same, i never thought id run out of things to do but i guess im just your average person with a short attention span lol

[pulsar topaz]

Who are you, the drilling crew in my yard right now on day trip number 4 of trying to get me back to having water (I haven't had water in 11 days...)

[modern linden]

eh... who what where??

O_O

no idea what that means

[silver hazel]

I suggest y’all milk the free beta access for what it’s worth, even if you have no ideas 😁👌

[burnt mountain]

Bet you guys 100% that course will materialize in the future.

[silver hazel]

👍

[modern linden]

ppl already started to do that, sort of. ive seen docs and images showing tricks

its nice

[silver hazel]

👹

[modern linden]

yesterday i saw an iteration so highly defined

[burnt mountain]

Not docs nor images. I meant a full online course.

[modern linden]

oh yeah im sure its not completed ones

but little bits and pieces

[burnt mountain]

A compilation per se

[modern linden]

i guess

but this iteration (not made by me btw)

so well made

i was so impressed by the details

[burnt mountain]

I saw that posted here, it was a simple prompt if I remember correctly.

[modern linden]

yeah, so means that big complex prompts do not always do better i guess

sometimes the smallest prompt gives u the best results

evidently

[pulsar topaz]

In my experience anything longer than 10-12 words is usually not worth running, then depending on the subject matter 3-4 may be far too few

[modern linden]

i have prompts saved, that give me solid iterations of that style..consistently tho

big ones

200~ characters

so once u found a good prompt, u ought to save it to use it as prefab

[pulsar topaz]

I imagine many of those characters are superfluous and have little to no impact on the query.

[modern linden]

yeah

quite possible

but i tend to assume more with the 50 limits, then with none, so i could check out all changes

right?

Pragmatically 😛

[pulsar topaz]

I'd say learning to fine tune, and minimize, queries while free is the most pragmatic thing

[burnt mountain]

Prompt: ||a close up of a short cute moist green furry haired round bodied monster with big, round, green eyes subtly glowing in a lush, wet, misty forest angrily looking and walking towards the camera, the monster's arm are expressing angry emotion, the background is brightly-lit full of mist and withered trees, the foreground has wet and dark vegetation, dramatic contrasting light, 3D render from a children's book, unreal engine||

It didn't quite get the arms as I've mentioned it in the prompt. It did get the background and the foreground really well.

[silver hazel]

Have 2 users experimented generating the exact same prompt and comparing the results?

[pulsar topaz]

A more complex query, to some extent, is going to be more processing time as well as more chances for error

[burnt mountain]

Let's do it now, give me a prompt

[pulsar topaz]

I've ran the exact same prompt a handful of times and you can get drastically different results

I'll sacrifice a prompt for science

[modern linden]

hmm havnt thought of that in that view...

[silver hazel]

Alright fam! What prompt shall we try?

[modern linden]

hmm

i got a few

[pulsar topaz]

We need a modifier we know works well

[burnt mountain]

Up to you, keep it simple, not too detailed, let's see how DALL•E interprets it @silver hazel

[pulsar topaz]

"wood carving" and "h r giger" are consistently solid for me

[modern linden]

@silver hazel what if u asked another AI for prompts ?

we can do that

with Codex

[pulsar topaz]

the theme today is horse, we might as well kill 2 birds

we just need a style

[modern linden]

hmm good point Ryan

alright let me ask Codex 😄

[burnt mountain]

GPT-3*

[modern linden]

yes i know

but i refer to as codex if u dont mind 😄

its my thing

lol

its not official but i call it that way

[burnt mountain]

I shall now refer DALL•E as MJ

[silver hazel]

My point was that pinpointing which prompt works and which not is hard, because if we carry on this experiment and the results are all vastly different that means there’s more to prompt structure behind the generated results. Someone compared it to gambling and it really is kind of like that

[modern linden]

hahaha

i didnt say u had to XD

[modern linden]

give me a few things u wanna see in a prompt

all ask the AI to formulate it

[pulsar topaz]

It's gambling to a point, but once you find a prompt that gives you the sort of results you want, you can start tweaking and then generate 4-5 images you want per query

[silver hazel]

I will try “digital Art of a mechanical horse” since digital and mechanical can generate vastly different results

[pulsar topaz]

I'm going to run "digital Art of a mechanical horse" then "mechanical horse, digital art" as I find the style modifier works better at the end for me

[burnt mountain]

Aight see you guys in 5 minutes.. when it finally generates

[modern linden]

lol

[pulsar topaz]

digital Art of a mechanical horse

[modern linden]

i need better descriptors XD

[burnt mountain]

nvm, it took 1 minute

[silver hazel]

Well, I can notice the color palette is definitely the same 😁

[pulsar topaz]

It seems to like gears too

[burnt mountain]

Truly mechanical

[modern linden]

1. An elaborately mechanical horse, constructed entirely of cogs, gears and other machinery.

2. A digital painting of a horse made up of hundreds or even thousands of images of different horses.

3. A horse made entirely of colourful lights, like a living neon sign.

4. A horse with wings made of metal and feathers```

not bad

lol

Temp set to 1.0

😂

[pulsar topaz]

"mechanical horse, digital art"

See, my way made much better results

It seems to prefer cartoony if you try to put the style descriptor at the beginning

[burnt mountain]

Oh right, let me do that too

[silver hazel]

Such a different result!

[pulsar topaz]

adding a comma usually makes a difference too.

so like "the quick brown fox" I'd do as "the quick, brown, fox"

[modern linden]

1. A horse galloping through a field of wildflowers
2. A horse rearing up on its hind legs in defiance
3. A white horse with a flowing mane and tail, running through water
4. A horse grazing in a sun-dappled meadow
5. A horse being ridden by a knight in shining armor```

any good?

[pulsar topaz]

lower right, share that in the daily theme

[silver hazel]

using your approach @pulsar topaz

[burnt mountain]

Top left looks like it's pulled from Horizon Zero Dawn

[modern linden]

hahaha

[civic wadi]

My first IRL friend just got access 👀 makes two people in Florida now

[pulsar topaz]

So it's clearly sourcing "mechanical horse" from a hyper-specific/limited set

[burnt mountain]

Lots of invites sent out I see

[civic wadi]

I’m expecting an influx this week for sure with the team coming back from vacation

[modern linden]

this

joan was also back

[silver hazel]

Anyone can calculate the probability of two users generating the exact same outcome? Is that even possible having in mind how DALL-E works?

[modern linden]

thats not possible

its generative ...nothing is ever the same...

ofc there is a bias value

but these networks have millions of nodes

[pulsar topaz]

I mean, you could but we're talking about heat death of the universe odds probably

[burnt mountain]

You can sell stuff now? #introductions message

[modern linden]

im not even going to entertain my mind on that, prob gives me a headach XD

[silver hazel]

These aren’t made with dall-e afaik

[modern linden]

oof, someone tell him he cant do that

:S

[pulsar topaz]

Yeah, "mechanical horse" to it just involves gears apparently

[burnt mountain]

Check watermark

[modern linden]

try something in Retro style Retrotronics

thats always cool

[silver hazel]

Istg sometimes I feel like I’m blind 😁

[modern linden]

hehe

[pulsar topaz]

Alright folks, I should probably write some real queries for work now heh

[modern linden]

real? 😛

what ya doing down there

[pulsar topaz]

SQL, not DALL-E

[modern linden]

i know

thats what im asking

[pulsar topaz]

I do data at a YC hatched startup

[modern linden]

ur railroading ? 😄

i see

[pulsar topaz]

Heh, kinda close, trucking

[modern linden]

haha

cool 😄

so for sql tech we should def consult u? 😄

[pulsar topaz]

Hardly, I learned SQL 4 months ago for this job.

I still spend tons of time scouring google queries figuring out how to do this or that

[modern linden]

well maybe u are a Savant, i dont know 😄

(Savant: Someone with the ability to do something extremely well, inhuman almost)

[silver hazel]

I’m a sava-not

[modern linden]

hahah

sava-sometimes -.-

😂

-but-mostly-never

[silver hazel]

Yeah, more like it, hahaha

[modern linden]

but seriously, these ppl are scary good at math, memory, etc

think of Rainmen without the "act" around it

[silver hazel]

Y’all, I’m going on a hike

Enjoy your day

[modern linden]

good luck 😄

dotn get eaten by a bear

or squirrel

or both

😂

[silver hazel]

🍀 ty! I was almost attacked by a wild fox yesterday

😭😄😄😄

[modern linden]

for real?

[silver hazel]

Yeah hahahahaha

[modern linden]

dont get biten they do carry diseases

lol

[silver hazel]

They are very curious, but get frightened real quick

[modern linden]

i think Foxes are dogs with cat software on them

alright have fun lad

[soft hull]

can confirm

[modern linden]

lol

[pulsar topaz]

Sam just tweeted 100k DALL-E 2 users now

so, yeah

[modern linden]

jesus

its good for Dall-e for publicity but ..also has other less ideal effects ofc

like more ppl, more security, more control implementation

we had (still do) a lot of freedom as of rn

but that will change, coz we all know that "good things" never travels alone

1mil XD

@burnt mountain u heard of that bloke that made cloned emails/waitlist requests? i hate those ppl

luckily they use IP to track the owner's account as well

they had to lol

[burnt mountain]

Yeah, he was selling prompts in Fiverr

[modern linden]

what an opportunistic little twat

-.-

excuse my language 😛

but it pisses me off

lol

[soft hull]

wasnt it like

10k before

[uncut spoke]

It was 30k in late June

[soft hull]

what about earlier in june

[pulsar topaz]

I know when I got my invite June 15th they had "thousands" and were "adding thousands" per week

[modern linden]

well ...if u think about it, its because of us that ppl got excited and joined the fold, so indirectly is also our effort 😛

right?

coz we been showing off our images

ppl got interested

and that exponentially grew

[silver hazel]

😇

[pulsar topaz]

I mean I imagine the waitlist was already fairly huge

[soft hull]

jesus

it's as fast as dall-e mini now

[silver hazel]

I think your observations are fun

[soft hull]

or rather, 'as slow as'

[strong valve]

there's other site that offer fast interference with D mega, for free

[scenic linden]

more people slower

[silver hazel]

Prepare for launch day when we will wait 10minutes per generation 😁👌

Joking ofc, I’m optimistic and happy that dall-e has garnered so much interest

[scenic linden]

also running AI like this is expensive imagine just racks and racks of powerful GPUs running 24/7

[scenic linden]

that's why normal researcher like me can't possibly train a model that is as good as dalle 2 you need hundreds of GPUs running simultaneously for months, funfact dalle mini was trained on 256 TPUs for 1.2 months (TPUs is sometimes faster than GPUs)

[burnt mountain]

I see LAION uses A100's

[modern linden]

you can request a collab (google) for this very situation

they have VM machines ready to do this

[scenic linden]

yeah they have alot of A100 maybe i will request access there

[modern linden]

still beats crypto mining ...

[scenic linden]

i have grant from google it's 100 TPUs haven't use them yet cuz idk how to work with tpus lol

[modern linden]

😂

[modern linden]

noice

[soft hull]

then dont crypto mine

[scenic linden]

their sponsor have 4000 A100

[soft hull]

wtf

[soft hull]

hey annas ur smart right

was dalle2 trained using the thing where you have an ai that also detects which image is real or fake

and then the two compete and get better and better

because im not smart enough to understand the research paper

😭

[scenic linden]

no it's diffusion

[soft hull]

yea but like

i mean how did they train it

why is there integrals what

oh it's just for probability

[modern linden]

never did XD

lol

[scenic linden]

you add noise to the image until it just a pure noise and you try to reverse that with neural network after training you can feed it a noise and will keep removing the noise until it is clear image

also A100 is expensive

[soft hull]

ah

i see

that's smart but then

[slender hornet]

i dont get it

[soft hull]

why would that result in dall-e2 being biased towards producing results it's confident in even thought there would also realistically be results it wouldn't be as confident in

[modern linden]

oehalalala ...

😄

[soft hull]

Ok, so basically

DALL-E 2 is trained by having many images with noise applied to it given, then it is tasked with removing the noise

Then to produce new images it is just given complete noise

I think that's what annas is trying to say

[scenic linden]

idk i'm not really familiar with diffusion

[scenic linden]

maybe this explanation is better https://youtu.be/F1X4fHzF4mQ

[slender hornet]

@soft hull i still dont get it lol

[slender hornet]

thanks ill have a look

[scenic linden]

yeah you can also add text via cross attention well it's more complicated than that under the hood

[soft hull]

okay then

every single one of these has a person in it in spite of the fact that it was just a stick figure troll lol

also here's "A completely blank image"

[modern linden]

😂

[modern linden]

brb dinner time 😄

[scenic linden]

this is diffusion model with cross attention this is not dalle 2, this is probably how imagen looks like

[scenic linden]

yeah that's true if you train AI you don't know what it will endup learning

[modern linden]

its a whole mesh of layers and interconnected nodes (neurons) and each node again has pathways with biased weight values

its complex af

each input changes the weights

each layer for instance has a specific area it homes into, lines, shapes, colors, etc

Google's Imagen for instance is i think a bit more broader on faces then dalle

best way to show it

kinda looks like this, but way bigger, think 3d axis big

z,y,z goes in all directions

and each neuron with these values is then processed with this so called activation formula, in these small situations they use Sigmoid or Tanh

dall-e ...has a whole army of layers that do specific things

more like this XD

as i mentioned, that army of filters

example here

and this is only style transfer, just 1 aspect of dall-e

way more then just this ofc

the details a neural network see's

best shown/explained here

u see those tiny images, those are features an AI extracts of an image, that becomes the "properties" of a car

or depiction of "car"

like i said, this is wildly complex ...

anyway, from this they start building the complexity up

so the question "what does an AI see?"

is this

😂

[soft hull]

Yeah they're just giving access to anyone now

[modern linden]

https://blog.tensorflow.org/2018/08/neural-style-transfer-creating-art-with-deep-learning.html

u can do this locally

on ur pc

if have the know-how 😛

[soft hull]

DALL-E 2's increased acceptance rate has definitely let it into the hands of the wrong people

[modern linden]

thats to be expected

[modern linden]

Murphy's law my friend 😄

if it can go wrong... it prob does...

[soft hull]

Yeah, but I mean that the whole background check thing is obviously having to be shorter

[modern linden]

i dont think they just let it loose, there must be a control somewhere that is set in such way its monitored at all times

all ur data is monitored

even uploads

u try upload certain things

it will stop that

even Adobe has that XD

u try scan/photograph a money note, chances are u get stopped long before it even reaches ur editor

[soft hull]

No, I mean outside of DALL-E 2. Like, with the links you attached to the waitlist thing.

[modern linden]

hmm

oh

links ?

im confused

[soft hull]

like, say you link your twitter or instagram account when joining the waitlist.

obviously they're going to check it right

[modern linden]

oh , well that was speculation tho 😛

in my defense

[soft hull]

obviously they're just doing their best though lol

[modern linden]

i like to believe that 😄

btw Koi carpers seem to do rly good with ppl

i uploaded it, instantly got 9 favs

i was ok ..thats what u guys want??

i guess

dont ask me why XD

[lofty birch]

Who are the wrong people? Did the newbs do something bad?? What I miss lol

[soft hull]

not really i was just wondering of what the consequences are of significantly speeding up invites

[modern linden]

in some discord they started to make a list of "flagged" words

to avoid

not much yet, but working on it

(not made by me)

[hidden canyon]

Why?

What happened?

[hidden canyon]

furry art and fursona is banned?

LMAO

[modern linden]

ghehe

i did not test that

😂

[hidden canyon]

I think it isn't

I noticed that certain words are not filtered, but it still hits the filter if the generation is nsfw

Example: fighting

Sometimes it triggers the filter, sometimes it doesn't

[hollow dune]

be optimistic! the more people use dall e the more people get banned

this statement may or may not abuse a deductive fallacy

[modern linden]

oh ...u jinxed it lad

ur bonded now

[hollow dune]

i havent used dall e in a week hardcore like you guys

maybe i should do it now

i wont affect your traffic

[modern linden]

lol these servers have yet to reach their limits, if they did already i'd say they took a poor choice in server resource selection

😂

[patent grail]

is it still slow

[modern linden]

i dont think its lag

their busy

most devs returned from vacations

so ..

im assuming they are busy preparing

so this is half speed what u experience

or even less, coz they prob do some modifications

[burnt mountain]

Nope-ish

[patent grail]

LOL

[burnt mountain]

Lol. Waiting time a few hours ago was about 1min-3min. Now it's faster. But not as fast as the speed we're used to.

[silver hazel]

we are the boomers of dall-e

[patent grail]

😂

[burnt mountain]

Damn, I just tried generating one more, pretty complex prompt as well. It generated in 10 seconds. I stand corrected.

[silver hazel]

I’m anticipating the “only beta dalle testers remember this” memes

[modern linden]

u can sit down, if u want?

😂

[patent grail]

its gonna be bittersweet when it leanrs how to spell

[modern linden]

no there is a few out there that actually think dalle has her own language fitted

like words that sound as ...

but not equal to

[burnt mountain]

I'm torn between having the discord public, chaos will ensue. Or having it stay like this, invite-only as well. Peaceful.

[patent grail]

https://reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/vy3flx/they_gave_over_50000_people_access_in_more_than_a/

i dont believe this

they are going to give it away for free to 1mil people

i cant imagine the cost

hopefully tihs means payment method soon lol

[modern linden]

Dalle's name for Astronaut 😂

i shit u not XD

i dunnow i like to believe it ^^ would be super adorable

look how elegant those quantum systems are

dont u just love that steampunk style ultra high-end system

they just ooze sci-fi

my goodness

i wanna know how much rare metals they used to make this work

coz as far im concerned electrical wise, gold would be the best conductor

so that entire thing could be some sort of gold alloy

so awesome

[soft hull]

nothing in specific haha

[hollow dune]

XD

[modern linden]

hehe

[burnt mountain]

Haven't tried the Japanese-style gardens. Good idea.

[warm widget]

cool that we can now see more in the ''recent'' tab! 🙂

[uncut spoke]

How many can we see now?

[warm widget]

50

[soft hull]

oh

thats actually awesom

e

[modern linden]

👍

[uncut spoke]

Wow really? That's so much better

[modern linden]

ehm guys

https://opensea.io/melihsrc

whats going on this page here ?>

is he rly selling them iterations or am i reading this wrong ?

@soft hull

[soft hull]

Why me?

And also yes that is not allowed

[modern linden]

alright then pretend i didnt ask ? 😛

hehe

[soft hull]

Is that you selling them?

And, again, why did you specifically ping me?

[modern linden]

wow i didnt know u got angry about it :S

jusr forget about it

[soft hull]

I'm not angry??

just asking a question

[modern linden]

oh well u seem agitated

[soft hull]

not really

[modern linden]

i have no reason, for real

[soft hull]

at least im not trying to be lol

alright, and who is it selling those?

[modern linden]

i was just "randomly" sharing something

the subject had no connection with u in anyway, if thats what u think it was??

O_O

[zenith crater]

what is going on...

https://labs.openai.com/s/aJ3y4lIIfmcXWRzn5uKQXWmb

https://labs.openai.com/s/qIqCv0ZFqf66wHLM7GCmln9j

LOL

why the 90 percent

[sterile bluff]

DALL-E 2 is sentient but has a limited way to communicate, so it is judging us in percentages

[zenith crater]

[sand stirrup]

It turns out that after each request, it adds a "90% better" to get better results

[zenith crater]

i got 200% sexy omg! ❤️

[soft hull]

apparantly something is happening with dalle2

[zenith crater]

@pallid needle thank you so much

[soft hull]

like it got nerfed or something? that's what people are saying

like in the top row here

but it seems fine for me...

[zenith crater]

3-4 weeks apart

[soft hull]

LMAO

[silver hazel]

Chile, we getting dall-e mini?!?!?!?

[zenith crater]

[soft hull]

i should have noticed the number problem already