Jason

[tulip plaza]

its not like I can really try to parry stuff either cus their move either barely doesn't hit so I'm in lag, or I'm in a combo and they made it to where you can't parry in a combo

[scenic lagoon]

I'm so bad now

Goddamn

[honest yoke]

i think its possible to play agressive with jason, you just gotta have good mix ups and reads and not be predictable with your pressure

[arctic palm]

Anyone wanna go a few rounds or play some 2v2s?

[fickle ledge]

teabag & salt instead.

[tulip plaza]

god, its so annoying that so much of "how do I get good" boils down to
peeeer into your crystal ball and sssssseeeeeeeee your future!
or so it always feels like it

[median geyser]

Fighting against Batman & damn he's cooking me

[fickle ledge]

....

[median geyser]

He's some sick cancels & moves

[fickle ledge]

He doesn't know does he.

😭

[honest yoke]

he's a very read heavy character thats just how it is to play jason

[nimble mirage]

Is he back?

[median geyser]

Yes

[fickle ledge]

Mortal Kombat 9.

Freddy got a kameo as DLC as the first horror guest character.

He was top 5 at worst, and arguably the best zoner in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5tvFal3qOs

[tulip plaza]

oh boy, a jake player
wonder how this will go

carrying me off stage with bite for free, exactly what I expected
no matter how hard I mash I couldn't get out

oh boy, and now I have to fight finn

[median geyser]

Huh

[knotty sage]

ive never followed mortal kombat before just something about freddy said "mage" to me
i think itd be funny and in character for him to just have a moveset of throwing random horrifying sh||o||t at you

[median geyser]

He's potential to have those yeah

But more importantly

Will he able to make it into the game is a real question

[knotty sage]

well if jason and arya stark got in id say so

[median geyser]

Yes but like the thing is

He's the same licensing situation as Jason

[knotty sage]

oh your right

[median geyser]

But then I don't think PFG gonna add him in

Coz he isn't on their radar

[knotty sage]

we could end up with the 2010 reboot freddy like DBD

[median geyser]

Yes but like I'm not sure if PFG willing to get him

The decision is now up for PFG

Jason is already sold well as horror icon

[void topaz]

Monstrous Sidestep is the truth

[tulip plaza]

didn't all the jason rights holders get together finally too, the whole jason universe thing

so now he can be in more stuff without it being a nightmare to figure out

[knotty sage]

freddy is one of the big 4 slashers its more "does PFG want him" instead of "is he popular enough"

[median geyser]

Yes that's why Jason's licensing is now the same as Freddy's

[median geyser]

Yeah that's what I said

[void topaz]

Any jasons wanna 1v1 friendly?

[median geyser]

Is he even on PFG's radar of getting him

This is important coz if PFG isn't planning to get him then there's no hope

[tulip plaza]

I know tony said he's doing everything in his power to get walter white into the game, so if there is enough demand and I'm it can happen

[elder vector]

God hitting that Armor Up Smash to win the match

👌

[fickle ledge]

I could live without freddy, but if any other horror character was to get in I'd want it to be him.

[elder vector]

now that I could fully experience buffed Jason yeah he's definitely better

Which makes me very happy

[median geyser]

Yeah I think the Freddy's demand need to increase so PFG could try to get the character but again he's now in the same licensing situation as Jason

They could get it the same way as they'd with Jason

[elder vector]

Nair is definitely the Neutral™️

[fickle ledge]

Is it possible to get a more fun name for it?

🤔

[elder vector]

sometimes i call it Bed Breaker

Or Sleeptime

there's probably an official name for it in the character guide but

eeeh too lazy to see it

[rapid cargo]

I wonder how Freddy's moveset would work. I can't imagine them finding a way to add a sleep mechanic without it being overpowered

[tulip plaza]

also I just fought a joker
it actually felt like 0 of my inputs were going through like jesus

[fickle ledge]

"crunch time"

[elder vector]

Jason's nair definitely helps me get through a lot of combo hungry characters

[fickle ledge]

Personally not a fan of that one.

[median geyser]

He doesn't need to be in sleep mechanic

[elder vector]

Had a much easier time dealing with Batman & Arya with buffed nair

[rapid cargo]

yeah, just regular moves might be best

[elder vector]

Also having the machete actually hit the opponents now feels good

[fickle ledge]

I thought nair was an axe.

[elder vector]

you can hit the veeery back end of up special in the air now and it's great

[knotty sage]

why not like "Bedtime" or something?

[fickle ledge]

oh

[fickle ledge]

That would make too much sense.

[elder vector]

also sometimes up smash still does the bad connection thing

but very rarely

Also damn i have a hard time dealing with Marvins

at least the rare ones I find they kick my ass

[dry slate]

The Back-Breaker

[elder vector]

Marvin has some of the best armor breaks in the game so that's probably one of the reasons

[knotty sage]

oooh, a reference to what the victims were doing too

[elder vector]

But yeah buffed Jason good

[fickle ledge]

I tried running air walker to get offstage rages to help with recovery only for Marin to not care and spike me anyways..

[elder vector]

God if the Command Grab in the air was just a little bit faster

the things i could do

it's fun to hit on iron giants tho

[fickle ledge]

Imagine Slash Slash Walk with sidestep into Grab.

[elder vector]

especially on wall stages

[elder vector]

yeah if you're against a marvin don't even bother

marvins counter jason's armor hard

you can predict the ones on the land since he gets a bit of lag

but in the air he's strong as hell with down air

[elder vector]

There is a combo i found with slide jump nair into grab but it's very situational and probably not worth going for

but would be hype to hit

i usually just use the air grab on walled maps now

but if you can hit them very low to the ground you can follow up with more jab combos which is neat

I'd imagine the Jason & IG matchup is pretty even with how much Jason can pull off against IG alone combo wise

especially, again, on walled maps

[median geyser]

IG can be easily get grabbed by Jason lot of times

& sleeping bag IG is eesh

[elder vector]

yeah i want to lab this out more

yeah i don't even bother with sleeping bag at this point

[median geyser]

But we aren't going to play vs much IG

[median geyser]

Could've done bit better ngl

[elder vector]

I fought a few IG's today

the nerfs on them helped a lot

[vapid mica]

Sleeping bag is just for bm

Like if I use it it’s because I think you’re incredibly bad

[tulip plaza]

I fought any arya just now, I thought I was going to have an awful time
it wasn't really "fun" but I did beat her
and she was a toxic arya too, using the salt whenever she got a stock
but she lost two games and refused a third lol

[elder vector]

The Hidden Taunt: Sleeping Bag

[fickle ledge]

Make it a taunt and give him a real down special. 😆

[elder vector]

I been having a bit of trouble against Ricks & Mortys

[fickle ledge]

Side Step or bust.

[knotty sage]

can he throw a hatchet that stuns hit enemies?

[elder vector]

Rick not so much it's usually the really good ones

but Mortys are pain

[fickle ledge]

Nah his new down special will have him pull out a AK-47.

[rapid cargo]

Guess he is American

[elder vector]

I can't wait to have a relaxing time in Mvs!

The ledge during a Morty matchup:

[knotty sage]

camp crystal lake is in new jersey

[tulip plaza]

#clips message

what was she thinking

[elder vector]

LMAOOO

I love that move so much in armor my god

[knotty sage]

ig she was hoping to hit you out of it?

[elder vector]

Fear factor of jason is so fun with armor

everytime i have armor i just walk around close to the opponents

they don't want to do anything it's so funny

[tulip plaza]

I've been doing that more, they always dodge thinking I'll do something and then go into burnout
of course then I fumble anyways cus I miss my move and they combo me until their dodge is back ;w;

[elder vector]

I tend to do that too lmao

there's the few ones that actually use armor breaker moves

but most i met it's the fear factor

[tulip plaza]

it really needs to not go away on ONE whiff like jesus
and it shouldn't be able to be armor broken

[elder vector]

and ofc there's the ones like "Nah i'd win"

air side special jokers for example

i feel like the armor screech should be buffed honestly

[tulip plaza]

also I may be crazy, but I feel like I was doing slightly better when I switched off uber jason
maybe people see me with uber jason and sweat super hard

[elder vector]

id say sleeping bag is the most useless move but that move is never worth using

[flint tide]

this guy feels insane

[elder vector]

would be better if it had more range and gigantic kill power

but not so much to not go so crazy

Kinda like Cloud's down special when his meter is filled

very low damage but devastating launch power

[fickle ledge]

Sleeping bag would be fire if I could stick my teammates into it and throw them at people.

[elder vector]

Thats sounds pretty funny

Kinda like something with Jake's bite

Have a hitbox of its own that stuns them for a bit then your teammate can combo after

Not a bad idea

also is it ever worth using one of jason's unique perks in 1v1s

i just end up using the 5% one

i know the behind teleport can be very niche and cause cool situations offstage

while resurrection is kind of a meme

[dry slate]

"Oh hey, I'm back now- and now I'm dead again."

Cool concept, terrible in practice

[elder vector]

in 2's at least it's more fun to use

but don't even bother with it in 1s yeah

[void topaz]

Monstrous sidestep is good

Gives you a kill confirm off of jab jab side b

[elder vector]

I should try that out more

[honest yoke]

no it doesnt

[dry slate]

My only issue with Monstrous Sidestep is, idk if this happens to anyone else, but the game sometimes freaks out deciding where I go and just puts me back right where I started the teleport at times

But that kill confirm is sick

[void topaz]

Ok

As i literally just won a match with it

[knotty sage]

if theres like the stage in the way it wont let you teleport

[honest yoke]

that doesnt make it a confirm

all it does is make it easier to follow up after side special but anything you do can still be dodged

[dry slate]

Yea

[knotty sage]

actually i wonder if steven's shields will block you too

[void topaz]

Sometimes its true on niche percents

[knotty sage]

huh til that daily missions dont go away after a day, they just stack

[halcyon badger]

Lol ppl body a heavy and get toxic idk why

[tulip plaza]

like I'm telling ya, its always the top tiers who do it
I guess they do it cus their character is so easy they can usually back up the toxicity if you rematch
and then they look really stupid when they lose to a low tier

#clips message

two more clips against that arya

[alpine hedge]

hey man, definitely not a skill issue. a lot of casuals must have dropped the game already due to a myriad of reasons (monetization, balancing, the fact that it takes forever just to unlock a single character, etc.)
so yea there are certainly a lot of sweats left haha
chin up, man! you'll rack up wins no doubt about it

[tulip plaza]

finally someone speaking facts
I definitely know this, but I guess I needed to hear it from someone else so I knew I wasn't crazy

[alpine hedge]

haha yup

[tulip plaza]

not only is it sweats, but sweats playing the top tiers only so its even harder to fight

[alpine hedge]

yeah and they have the gall to t-bag and spam the salt emote lol
just be a sportsman and don't be toxic geez

[tulip plaza]

like I guess they want more people to leave or something

[dry slate]

My thing for online is if you use the saltshaker emote, you get blocked no matter what. It'll help filter out the more toxic people online with people that are more chill to play with/against

Normal emotes/taunts are fine, but spamming them before the animation even finishes is kinda toxic

[devout burrow]

I'm gonna be honest I like when lower playcounts lead to me playing against good players

[tulip plaza]

I shared my arya clip with a friend and they were surprised I didn't use jason moonwalk after beating the,
and I just didn't think about it at the time, cus usually I will do a silly moonwalk after I win

[devout burrow]

bc tbh playing against the average person is incredibly boring for me

[dry slate]

Moonwalk is the best taunt to do when you win hands down

[devout burrow]

a "sweat" for the average person is like

bad at the game to me

and I probably seem like a sweat when I'm like

basically just chillin out listening to dubstep

with jason

or stripe

[tulip plaza]

honestly for awhile there, I was using the steam "in game" numbers as a way to determine "should I play 1v1s now or later"
like when I woke up in the morning, the numbers were down to like 3-4,000 and later in the day the peak would be like 10,000
sadly now the peak is down to 5-6,000
I really hope the game can come back, cus I WANT to play like all day, but its not fun sometimes

[dry slate]

Does the steam count PS and XBox players online too?

[knotty sage]

no

[tulip plaza]

its not a perfect system of course, there could be 50,000 console players for all I know, but since I'm on steam, steam is the number I see

[feral cargo]

I've been spamming the grounded up special all week to see how many times I can catch the person in a row. It's so damn funny.

[teal slate]

Uber my beloved

finally

[median geyser]

You got Uber just now?

[teal slate]

no

ive had him

but I can finally use him now

[clear cradle]

man

this character just cant compete when you get to high mmr brackets

bugs, harley, t&j, etc can just keep you in their DI loops forever

cause DI doesn't matter with jason's huge ass hitbox

[tulip plaza]

this is what I've been sayin

[median geyser]

Their chrs are annoying

But yeah

You can't even escape

You're force to parey

He's cooked

[clear cradle]

no you cant parry either

bugs, harley, t&j loops are true

theres no dodge window

[fickle ledge]

My max is 3.

[tulip plaza]

if you dodge left or right, they can instantly react and counter it
and you can't parry in the middle because they removed that

[feral cargo]

I got a Garnet 7 times one day 😂 most people get away around 3-5

[fickle ledge]

💀

[median geyser]

It's hella annoying & we don't know how that would fix Jason

[clear cradle]

this character has the same issues as IG except we dont get bolts

and passive hitstun reduction

[halcyon badger]

I got a bug 3 times cause he kept tryna nair me lol

[median geyser]

But like does Superman have almost same hurtbox as Jason?

[halcyon badger]

Nah ours is worse

[median geyser]

Just bit worse right?

& plus this undead Tank has no armor

Another issue

[clear cradle]

i also cant speak to which loops are true on superman vs jason

those loops arent true on lighter characters

which is super annoying

[median geyser]

Idk too but Superman still has armor to deal with it & way better moves

[halcyon badger]

His jab 2 is so good

[median geyser]

Superman?

[halcyon badger]

Yeah

[median geyser]

Iiiiiyeah...

But honestly idk what to say

Jason was just destined to be played like this...

I couldn't think anything that can make him deal with those things

[fickle ledge]

Iron Giant has wut?

[clear cradle]

yeah

he just passively has it, so some combos/loops dont work on him

im not saying other heavies should have it too since its a wack ass mechanic

but its not a coincidence all of the underperforming characters have huge hitboxes

[fickle ledge]

I'll add that to the list of reasons to h8 IG.

📝

[tulip plaza]

so many reasons ya gotta make a list

[dire violet]

Fun matchmaking, first a Finn, then a Tom, then a Finn, then a Tom, then a Finn...

[clear cradle]

have fun getting looped by T&J to 100%

[icy raptor]

what is the gameplan for jason nowadays after the patch

because i have seemingly lost the plot

[teal slate]

Similar just faster

[icy raptor]

well then i obviously was far off the plot for a while

[flint tide]

sair

jab

jab

lots of jab

always

jab

jab is op as hell

[teal slate]

Jab jab powerd- wait a minute

[clear cradle]

ARE YOU OK?

[tulip plaza]

my favorite Jason Voorhees combo
Jab Jab Buster Wolf Final Smash

[frosty lynx]

my favorite combo is up special + stomp

[tiny cave]

The same

But now he have better hitboxes

So it's easier to not be a box bag like before

[timber narwhal]

me and every other jason i find in ffa toast eachother

[tiny cave]

I did a triple kill as Jason in FFA

Jason is crazy in that mode

#clips message

[frosty lynx]

yo can one of yall hooligans drop me some true combos

ima be real I be mad crutching the glitch rn so I can get clips of it but I wanna actually learn jason ngl

[tiny cave]

What glitch

Thats why they removed him

[frosty lynx]

1 sec got match ill drop it

[tiny cave]

They fixed it

Instead of bed You could also use ground up special

#combos message

[frosty lynx]

are you sure?

[tiny cave]

Yeah

Why do You think they removed him

[tiny cave]

Actually You could use
normal + TP + up special ground + side air attack

[frosty lynx]

lemme dm you

@tiny cave check it

[dry slate]

I miss being able to view hitboxes. I really wanted to see Jason's new and improved hitboxes :(

[west cloak]

Oh did they patch out the method of viewing them?

[tiny cave]

Wait You were able to see them?

[dry slate]

It seems so

[dry slate]

For PC players, you could alter text in a file from "hitbox, false" to "hitbox, true" to see them

I've made a request in #game-feedback to have an option to view hitboxes/hurtboxes in training mode at least

[west cloak]

Yeah I know there are mods for other games to do that

Would be a nice feature to properly implement and it seems like something very easy to implement

[dry slate]

My favorite combo whenever the opponent salt emotes mid-battle against me is Win Game + Block Button

It's worked 18 different times

[scenic lagoon]

Wish I could do that

[dry slate]

You can. Press in your left stick to view the social tabs, go to recently played, click the profile of the salt emote spammer and click block player

[scenic lagoon]

I meant the winning part

[dry slate]

Ah

You'll get there man :)

[scenic lagoon]

Want to play sometime?

[dry slate]

I'm down to play right now if you are

[scenic lagoon]

Nope

2am moment

[fickle ledge]

TRUE

Jason in FFAs hits like no one else.

Feels like his best format fr.

[dry slate]

Ah, alrighty. If you ever wanna play, my username in MultiVersus is just my name on here (without the [Jason/Tom&Jerry] part obviously)

[scenic lagoon]

Well

[dry slate]

Haven't tried that yet. I'll give that a go

[scenic lagoon]

Mine is SonicDonut

And to say rq

I can't friend request people

[fickle ledge]

WHY 😭

Like at least leave an option in game if you're gonna take it out.

[dry slate]

I friend requested ya :)

[scenic lagoon]

Thx

I'll accept it... When I'm awake again

[dry slate]

Yee

[dry slate]

Damn you right

(Though, Uber Jason's victory screen is kinda off screen lol)

[tiny cave]

Happened to me

Happens if You ur character is at a corner of the screen

I mean 1st or last in the victory screen

[halcyon badger]

I don’t think that’s real

[tiny cave]

?

[halcyon badger]

They can dodge or parry the bed

[tiny cave]

Yeah i realised that

Instead of that

You can do the axe attack

Up special

[halcyon badger]

Wish they made the end lag for teleport lower

Could be a cool mixup tool

[dry slate]

Has anyone else noticed on the Uber Jason skin that his legs are too short for the animation on the title screen/character select screen so you're able to see the model's legs lock up and stretch just a tiny bit

[elder vector]

#clips message

funny taunt stock i took lmao

[light dune]

I'm tired boss

[tulip plaza]

get back into the jason mines, it ain't quittin time yet, you still got a couple more matches ahead yas

[timber cedar]

the Jason grind is never ending

[teal slate]

You can buffer a move in order to cancel the lag

For example, jab jab mist fair

Or mist on the ground into buffer up-b for a mixup

(mist = side-b if that wasn't clear)

[median geyser]

Has anyone been spotting Velmas lately?

After her buffs

[teal slate]

Yes

[median geyser]

Really?

[teal slate]

I got fried by one today

[median geyser]

Fr?

I didn't play against her once

[teal slate]

Not even kidding

[median geyser]

I'm not sure if Velma buffs make people to pick her more

[teal slate]

She's more of a doubles pick I think

[median geyser]

But like atleast she's more playable now right?

[teal slate]

Yeah

Megaphone kept hitting me through the damn stage

[median geyser]

I see

I still haven't spotted any Velmas lately

[knotty sage]

what do you guys run for your 1st perk, ive been trying stronger than ever but im not sure

[dry slate]

I use the Snowball Effect where it's like 7% more damage to the enemy with the most damage

I actually don't know if it works in ones, but I'd like to imagine it does

[median geyser]

Does that perk even work in 1s?

I thought it only works in 2s

[tiny cave]

Velma still bad

The only good move she has is the megaphone that covers like half map

Btw

It's me or some character has new perks

After the Jason patch

I think harley has new ones

[knotty sage]

superman got a new one

or an old one to be more precise

[knotty sage]

harley didnt get new ones

[tiny cave]

I never played her but i did see theres some new perks

[knotty sage]

no she's always had thos

[tiny cave]

I mean for other characters

I got confused

[knotty sage]

no just superman after the jason patch

[tulip plaza]

one thing that threw me off was that one perks art got changed
I think press the advantage

I don't quite remember what it was before, but now its a guy getting punched in the face pff

[knotty sage]

it was like a squiggle line thing

like when you have a potion effect in minecraft

[tulip plaza]

yeah that's it
I was gonna say it but I wasn't totally sure

I just think the new art is funny pff

[knotty sage]

ok i did a bit of testing in training, and it does, and it stacks with both the 5% and pugilist, taking for example sair from dealing 12 damage to 15 when all stacked

you get 2-3 extra damage per hit if you have the 5%, snowball, and pugilist all equipped

[tulip plaza]

mmmm damage

[teal slate]

Projectile shield

100%

Can't really approach projectile heavy characters without it

[median geyser]

#clips message

Idk what just happened here

[teal slate]

Lmao

Jason mist tech?

[median geyser]

Check the end

[nimble mirage]

Great they “fixed” Jason… he’s still bottom 3. Can’t wait for the buff next patch

[teal slate]

Upward mist

[teal slate]

Ok..?

[nimble mirage]

I don’t think I said anything confusing

[median geyser]

@idle wolf #clips message

I need you to see this

[west cloak]

Dude this has been happening so often with a lot of different characters I’ve been playing

Like a kill move will just randomly send them nowhere and have its knockback cut down like 80%

[dire violet]

Yuck, just had to fight an IG with over 10F of delay, felt like Smash Ultimate

[median geyser]

https://youtu.be/C1fnqtY-YAQ
https://youtu.be/rd0hljKsj0M

Against Batman

As Uber

[tiny cave]

They should add an option

That allows You to see perks

Even without having the character unlocked

Preview perks

[gritty hemlock]

I still feel like Jason is a bit too easy to hit. There have been countless matches where a Harley, Joker and Arya got a hit that just didn't seem like it should have landed. :c Overall, very happy with these frame updates.

[dry slate]

Combine that with the apply weakness after 100% on all attacks perk and you get a crap ton more

[tiny cave]

Harley isnt much of a problem

Most harleys i found

Spam

The down attack

The one where she dashes at you

And You can punish that very easily

They spam that and the punch gun

They jump and spam that

For that You can just hit them with side air

Or special down air

I found Harley very easy to counter

As Jason

Most harleys i fought just spam those 2 attacks

[harsh sorrel]

I think jasons pretty okay right now

[flint tide]

jason is very good

most of the characters who destroyed him before are like fine now

[harsh sorrel]

Not a lot of jason players however

Very odd

I have him as a pocket

[odd oyster]

Yeah he definitely feels better nos

[idle wolf]

Jason fiyah only characters he struggles against is Batman, Superman, and Finn so far

[flint tide]

I dont think batman is a bad matchup at all

Also feel like he does significantly better against finn now

Superman maybe

[idle wolf]

I gotta put you up against the batman I played

He's the # 1 banana guard apparently lmao

[flint tide]

Call him up fr

[idle wolf]

Batman just vacuums you in I swear

[flint tide]

Jasons combos are so much more consistent now

Also new combo routes and stuff

[idle wolf]

Very

You know about jab down tilt loop until 30?

[flint tide]

Yeah

It has different variations on diff characters

On heavies you can loop it until like 70

[median geyser]

Yo Uncle Spamuel

[flint tide]

On lights its basically useless

On middleweights it usually works until like 25 or so

And specific chars like lebron u can do it until like 50

I like to call those guys heavy middleweights

[median geyser]

Black Adam is still hella annoying so far

[flint tide]

U gotta do some weird stuff on some chars tho

Some chars u can do jab jab dtilt

Some it has to be jab dtilt

Some it needs to be jab dtilt then jab jab dtilt

[idle wolf]

What's good brooo

[median geyser]

Have you watched my new vids?

[idle wolf]

Nah DM them to me

[median geyser]

I'd the kill confirm thing like twice

[idle wolf]

Yea I'm learning the different variations

[flint tide]

As far as i can tell i havent fought like a horrible matchup with jason yet

Like literally all the characters feel doable

Even more annoying ones like superman you can run loops on

[median geyser]

Morty is still a horrible matchup

[flint tide]

Morty is like

Fine

Morty beats jason imo but not that bad

[median geyser]

Yes but most of them are definitely cowards

[flint tide]

I mean thats just how he plays

[median geyser]

Keep running away & spamming Earth like life depends on it

[flint tide]

He’s a zoner

He’s gonna run away and shoot projectiles

[median geyser]

But that just proves he's a bad matchup vs Jason

Coz Jason couldn't catchup well

[flint tide]

I mean yeah i agree

I just don’t think it’s terribe

You have some decent tools to catch him

[median geyser]

It's just bad, not like worst

[flint tide]

Literally no matchup feels like fighting pre patch finn

Fighting finn actually just feels fine now

I think maybe joker is a bad matchup as well

[median geyser]

Joker is bad yes

[flint tide]

Oh actially

Jake feels pretty rough

I have like not much experience vs jake and the guy i fought was cracked so it could just be that i’m not good vs him

But he feels really good at shutting jason down

[median geyser]

Can't be sure about Jake but some Jake mostly use cheap ways for kill confirms

[flint tide]

His air game feels very tailor made to stop him

[median geyser]

Not sure if Mist help though?

[flint tide]

It doesn’t

Monstrous doesn’t at least

The way jake plays he’s at like an angle where it’s hard to hit him and also he has ranfe

And unlike projectile chars he’s not locked into position for long when he hits yoy

[median geyser]

A'ight

@flint tide Do you wanna see how I play as Jason in the yt vid?

[flint tide]

You want some advice?

I can probably take a look

[median geyser]

Yes...

Two vids...

[flint tide]

Not rn

I’ll look a bit later tho

[median geyser]

Sure...

[wheat lotus]

looking at the clip rn myself

i think you're dodging a bit too much and underutilizing his gray health

(also dont use sleeping bag in ones)

[median geyser]

Nah I've full yt video wanna check it out?

[median geyser]

I didn't mean to use it & suppose to use the dair special there but yeah doesn't count whatever reasons

[median geyser]

It's obv coz I want to get out of danger so idk what to do there either...

The reason I didn't use his gray health much coz the dmg tradeoff is just bad

[wheat lotus]

you get a speed boost, extra damage and knockback who kills really early and a free punish for like

10 health

[median geyser]

Iiiiiiyeah

[wheat lotus]

jason already lives super long anyway

[median geyser]

But If I whiff, then fok me

[flint tide]

Yo post clip

[median geyser]

???

[median geyser]

It's in the dms

[knotty sage]

its kinda funny tho to just run at people and watch them panic dodge

[median geyser]

But like

I'm not confident using gray health considering I keep getting whiffed from it

I mean I get the usage but yeah

Also the dmg self infliction isn't great

[wheat lotus]

it's only 10% on a heavyweight you're not really hurting yourself too much

[knotty sage]

i use it to confirm a jab hit most of the time

[wheat lotus]

this is the best use case

[median geyser]

I also use to keep moving around in Mist as well

Kinda trying to make them panic & stuff so I can hit them

I shared the full videos here... I think

Should be able to watch them

[flint tide]

You dodge too much

When batman grapples you you need to hit him or dodge it also

Mist stepping away works only if ur real early with it

[knotty sage]

yeah right here

[flint tide]

Also the best times to use jasons rage are when the opponent is high %

Or when you’re high %

[median geyser]

Literally only usage yes

At low %, deemed useless

[flint tide]

When you’re at high % you’re gonna probably die anyway

So you might as well buff up with it

[median geyser]

Yeah

[flint tide]

And when they’re high % you can tank hits and kill them

[median geyser]

Should I use fully charged if high health though?

[flint tide]

Just slow down and dodge less frequently tbh

Might as well

[median geyser]

Just really lacking movement quite a lot but yeah dodging too much kinda cooked me

[rain ingot]

i be coming across sm jasons recently

[vapid mica]

Don’t you mean pretty ruff

[rain ingot]

jake is horrible

[idle wolf]

You’re going to take that damage anyway. The gray health just gives you better stats

[idle wolf]

Joker not that bad to me. Kind of same as Morty but maybe a little worse

[rain ingot]

is marvin a losing matchup for jason or what

[median geyser]

Yeah at the same time, I felt scaredy cat when whiffed

[elder vector]

marvin is a very difficult opponent to deal with as jason

hard to get through his projectiles a lot and having one of the best armor breaks of the game

a good marvin with phenomenal movement will give any Jason trouble

I think my best advice is to bait the Marvin to utilize his cooldowns a lot so you have a better opening

Jason kills spaceship very quickly but Marvins will immediately rush you the moment he spawns one

[idle wolf]

Nah

Marvin is mad light
Monstrous side step auto dodge 80% of his projectiles
You can whiff punish him shooting projectiles too
Break spaceship
Space out armor break laser

[rain ingot]

ah ty

what are jasons bad matchups

[idle wolf]

Everybody got diff opinions right now but

Superman
Batman
Lebron
Jake

Those are the worst ones for me everything else is pretty managable

[flint tide]

Bit too early to know for sure tbh

Jake is the one i’m struggling most with

[idle wolf]

I gotta enter a tourney and find out fr fr

[flint tide]

Gl

[vital citrus]

Finn and Morty were really annoying me yesterday. Superman actually seems pretty easy to deal with

[clear cradle]

how do none of you have Bugs, Harley, and T&J as losing matchups when they have loops that Jason cant DI or dodge out of

you lose 1 neutral interaction and take 80%

[muted dove]

Jason feels so good

Holy

[idle wolf]

Bugs doesn't have those anymore plus bugs doesn't have anything in neutral besides what Nair? you can easily avoid nair

Harley just spams down air and sair. Just either teleport behind her in air or grab her out the air with up special OR just have Rage on for when she comes down she doesn't aerial armor breaking moves

T&J is kindaaa bad but you can get out of the loops you just gotta dodge up and DI up and away

Harley doesn't even have real true combos like that anymore

[teal slate]

Joker is not fun

[clear cradle]

I'm talking about Harley's utilt > sair loop

you can't escape it with DI out

similarly with bugs nair > utilt

[idle wolf]

I probably haven't ran into it yet but if its true and you can't DI then I'd add her to the list

Bugs nair you can DI out

[clear cradle]

how, I hold out and buffer dodge and nothing

[idle wolf]

Once the attack is over he can't hit you again you can dodge out

[muted dove]

Did they buff Taz tornado or sum bs lmao

[clear cradle]

will have to lab when I get home, but I'm positive it's true against Jason at lower percents

[idle wolf]

Nah butt if you space it correct you can hit him out with Jab and trade

[muted dove]

Ic

Haven't used Jason in a hot mimite

Minute

Feels much less stubby than usual tho

[idle wolf]

His Jab is niceeee now

[muted dove]

Mmhmm

So ik the main gameplay is to space

But how do you space

Also is there some Jason pro to reference from

[clear cradle]

Jason is not used in tournaments

[unique pewter]

I think it kinda depends on the matchup a bit… like spacing to the side or escaping horizontally isn’t as good if they are super horizontal… I like to come in at an angle when I engage if they are really strong horizontally or have range that direction… like a side air or down air or down air special to get over BG’s jab stab and confirm a string, but this same entry isn’t as good on Batman right since you don’t want to be above him… I watched Nakat play some but there are others for sure

[flint tide]

Spamuel is very good and makes cool videos

[idle wolf]

Lol Nok the best Jason tho

[idle wolf]

Yea ima change that. There are no tournament coming up but I'll be in some

[muted dove]

Thanks

[idle wolf]

I make tip videos I'll be dropping one about the buffs tomorrow

[flint tide]

Clover is better than me

I guess im pretty good though

[unique pewter]

I’ve played a lot of hours on Jason and I think if you get passable with him you can win roughly half your matches, even if you mess up as long as you realize when you can get the kills and capitalize on it… he’s really fun in FFA if the other three don’t all silently agree to gang up on you… I’ve been in last place and get two double ringouts in a row to win… makes up for all the losses lol… I think he’ll prolly get another buff too so get good with him now and he’ll only feel better later

[rain ingot]

jason got an insane advantage state

his disadvantage isnt that great though

i also dont get how you win neutral on jason

[scenic lagoon]

In an alternate dimension

[muted dove]

Fire lf to that

[scenic lagoon]

You camp and have insane reaction speeds

[scenic lagoon]

If you ever feel like making a guide, we could get into a call sometimes and discuss things we think about MU's and playstyles and such

The more opinions the better

[idle wolf]

Bet I’m down fr

[scenic lagoon]

Alright, we can discuss tonight a bit already if you want, play some 1s

Tonight being in a few hours for me

[tight girder]

What ya'll thoughts on Jason v Marvin match ups?

[scenic lagoon]

Pretty bad for Jason

Marvin's got an extremely fast and safe armor break option

[idle wolf]

I find it pretty even. I gotta play some better Marvins maybe

Only thing Marvin got is that laser

[scenic lagoon]

A good marvin will punish you for even attempting rage mode

[idle wolf]

Other than that we killing him at 60

[tight girder]

I almost won against him but I just really couldn't have breathing room. The breathing room you do get earns you a projectile, so like, feels kinda scary.

[scenic lagoon]

A good Marvin plays safe and overwhelms you with projectiles

You can't get in on him is the problem

[tight girder]

I'm going to be taking part in a tournament (it's very small), and I just wanna make sure I am semi up there.

And yeah, being on him feels impossible; he's so fast.

and his side attacks feel entrapping fr fr

[scenic lagoon]

How I see it is

"If character has really strong armor break vs jason = true -> -2 MU"

[idle wolf]

Monstrous Sidestep

[scenic lagoon]

Will instantly punish that

I fought a good Marvin

He punished every, single, one

Best I had was dash attack ngl

[idle wolf]

You running protective momemtum?

[tight girder]

The issue with MS is the predictable angles. "

[scenic lagoon]

Protective is bad now is the problem

Tanks 1 hit

[idle wolf]

They nerfed it didn't they?

[tight girder]

Yeah ^

[idle wolf]

Yea its buns now smh

[scenic lagoon]

Especially vs Marvin

Who always hits minimum 2 projectiles

Bubble + grounded side b

All you can do is read he'll do that and try go for a really fast dash attack

[timber narwhal]

marvin destroys jason

[idle wolf]

Wanna run some ones Clover?

[timber narwhal]

hardly anything you can do

[idle wolf]

I haven't lost to a Marvin main yet

[scenic lagoon]

When I'm out of this restaurant

[idle wolf]

Bettt @scenic lagoon

[scenic lagoon]

Then yes

[timber narwhal]

jason has no tools to handle a projectile based character

specially since he has no armor

[idle wolf]

He has Rage lol

[timber narwhal]

rage is useless against marvin

all his projectiles go through it

[scenic lagoon]

Dtilt go brrrr

[timber narwhal]

wasting time to build rage just gives time for marvin to set up

[scenic lagoon]

Like against a friend of mine

I can beat his Marvin

Because he just gets too saucy

He doesn't play safe

And it's still basically always a last stock situation

[timber narwhal]

camping marvin cooks jason tho

[tight girder]

I would love it if Jason had a legitimate projectile attack. Or even a stance that allowed as much.

[scenic lagoon]

No

He's supposed to suffer vs them

[flint tide]

I feel like marvin might be a sort of belligerent matchup

Like

[scenic lagoon]

But have niche options

[flint tide]

He doesn’t do much damage compared to jason

I think you might need to just accept damage and brute force scenarios sometimes

[scenic lagoon]

Like the fact dash attack has projectile immunity

[flint tide]

I need to fight him more

[tight girder]

That basically takes away the fun of being your character though. Jason doesn't struggle against distance weapons what so ever, he actually dismisses them most times; so for it tobe the thing here feels so weird.

[scenic lagoon]

I mained him in Beta for a small while

I can play a decent Marvin

[flint tide]

Every character has strengths and weaknesses

[tight girder]

The start up for that immunity is terrible though. You get hit toward the end or start of it consistently

[flint tide]

You can’t 1/1 translate a character from the source material into a game

Jason’s archetype of slow powerhouse makes sense to lose vs zoners

[scenic lagoon]

Superman takes 0 damage

[tight girder]

Not all of them. Some characters can cover all their basics pretty easily .

[scenic lagoon]

Same with WW

[flint tide]

Yeah lol

Superman just 1 shots you

[scenic lagoon]

Velma just dies to everything

[flint tide]

Shaggy unbeatable

Autododge all attacks in rage

[scenic lagoon]

True

Bugs with toonforce

Just ignoring any rules the game has

[tight girder]

I am not saying the proj has to be perfectly crafted to counter zoning, but at least semi-punishing.

[timber narwhal]

marvin goes through it

[tight girder]

if done extremely right

[timber narwhal]

cuz it counts as a grab

its a weird interaction

[scenic lagoon]

Nah

I've gone through it plenty

[tight girder]

There is waiting for a mess up and then waiting for mercy.

[timber narwhal]

the fused one?

you cant

[scenic lagoon]

Yes

[timber narwhal]

nope, got grabbed while dash attacking into it

[scenic lagoon]

Weird

Get a better Jason

[timber narwhal]

then agan

*again

the marvin was very laggy

[scenic lagoon]

Cause he's clearly not doing it well enough

My Jason is the friendly neighbourhood Jason

[tight girder]

If you ever get a chance you should clip it and show the class honestly.

[scenic lagoon]

How would I clip it by myself

Make the Jason dash attack in training and do the Marvin setup?

[tight girder]

O: Online against someone hwo plays Marvin.

[scenic lagoon]

Alright I'll be back in 500 years when I find an online Marvin

[tight girder]

You could also just ask someone in the Marvin channel?

[scenic lagoon]

Eh

[idle wolf]

Ew

Marvin channel

[tight girder]

If you don't want to do it you ain't got to honestly.

[scenic lagoon]

I can ask my friend

[tight girder]

That'd take 499 years at least.

[scenic lagoon]

But I'm in restaurant

[timber narwhal]

my shadowplay stopped working like a month ago

[idle wolf]

My friend is a Marvin main and we went 10-2

Ima ask one of you to play him

[timber narwhal]

and i dont wanna update my nvidia thing cuz it will reset my filters for DBD

[tight girder]

https://tenor.com/Nye3.gif

Dbd is evillll

[scenic lagoon]

I can try play Marvin vs you

No Jason?

[tight girder]

Could lil ol me spectate?

[scenic lagoon]

When I'm not in restaurant

[idle wolf]

Idk if its gonna hit the same

But we can try lol

[scenic lagoon]

I haven't even gotten my food yet

So this can take a while

[idle wolf]

Which resturant?

[scenic lagoon]

One in my country

[idle wolf]

Lol oh I thought it was like Cheesecake Factory or something

[tight girder]

There's a parade in my city

cheesecake, i love cheesecake.

[scenic lagoon]

I'm not getting cheesecake

[idle wolf]

Damn

[scenic lagoon]

I am getting french fries at the least tho

Anyways

Jason is cool

But god give Sleeping bag a use devs I beg of you please

Jab one bag is funny but worthless

[idle wolf]

Is it true? I just need something True so I can style on people

[median geyser]

It's true

But even then the bag is still worthless

& the end lag like you said just can't get any better

[idle wolf]

Also why does Jake get to walk into the blastzone with you in his belly but bag lasts like .5 seconds

[median geyser]

No idea

Bad design there too

Jason is still unpolished bruh

Jake's belly bag is also faster than Jason just let you know

Coz obv it can combo into it

[icy raptor]

how do we beat black adam?

[idle wolf]

Pray

[muted dove]

Is bag just meant to suck

[flint tide]

Yes

Never bag

Unless you’re going for something funny

[idle wolf]

You gotta avoid Thunder clap and grab him out the air with up special @icy raptor

[flint tide]

Black adam is weird

Good mobility and strong kill power

Just like

Try and figure out the way he moves and use anti airs as well as good range attacks

And yeah try avoid clap

[idle wolf]

Once you're in the air you're like a fish flopping around praying you don't die

[flint tide]

I might get black adam he looks fun

[idle wolf]

Super fun super easy

Thunder clapping Wonder Woman feels justified

[flint tide]

Wonder woman feels notably weaker this patch

[idle wolf]

A black Adam Main told me the counter play to thunder clap was parrying LMAO

[flint tide]

Its also because jason is better as well but like she can’t edgeguard you like she used to which is neat

[idle wolf]

Aerial side special still strong than I'd like but other than that she's been tame

Nair into jab is annoying

[flint tide]

The main thing is she loses armour on her armoured moves after using them

And can’t just hold them forever

So dealing with them is a lot easier

[muted dove]

I just love the jab jab into teleport loop

Simple and always know when to use it

[halcyon badger]

That thing is hard to parry when you can’t even visually see when it’s gonna hit 💀

[timber narwhal]

you can do it sometimes

but it shouldnt be your strat

do it at random basically

in FFA I did manage to bag everyone

it was pretty funny

[teal slate]

Real ones remember when you could bag the robot boss

Like one week ago 😂

[median geyser]

Why suddenly people are dropping this game a lot lately?

At the beginning, lot of people were playing ranging from 100k+ for Steam

But now it's less than even 10k now

[knotty sage]

general new game hype, there has been not a single new character, poor balancing, over monetization, awful launch state

[median geyser]

Single chr reveal what???

Poor balancing yes

[knotty sage]

i meant new character

[median geyser]

Jason & Smith not good enough?

[knotty sage]

its been the same cast despite smith being known about since before launch and them for some reason making a false teaser at 4 new characters

[loud aurora]

Chat what do you use to approach morties as jason

[median geyser]

Been approaching him?

[knotty sage]

a prayer to the lord that the morty messes up and lets you in

[median geyser]

Yeah... but the game can't make new content fast right? I mean it need months still

[loud aurora]

I mean if I dont then what else am i gonna do against a zoner

[median geyser]

Dodge & Mist

[loud aurora]

Why mist?

[median geyser]

To get closer to Morty?

[loud aurora]

No i mean woudnt it be extremelly punishable

[knotty sage]

i think it was the poor launch, cyberpunk for example is fine now but bc of its really bad launch state everyone still thinks of it as a buggy mess of a game

[median geyser]

Not really... unless Morty whiffed

[median geyser]

Yeah...

Chrs like Jason was rushed as hell

[knotty sage]

the beta had more features than the full launch

the 30 frame input buffer

[median geyser]

I also don't find like any motivations to continue playing...

Got all the battlepass I needed & stuff

[knotty sage]

also im confused by what PFG meant by "mid season patch" when the season seemingly ends in like 2 weeks and the season lasted for around 8

"Season of Villains" and theres gonna be like 1 villain released the entire season

[median geyser]

True

Should be named 3/4 quarter season patch?

[median geyser]

Season of Villains seem to consist of Joker, Jason & Smith

[knotty sage]

and Banana Guard

[median geyser]

Yeah that too

[median geyser]

Wait is Banana Guard a villain?

[knotty sage]

yet they for some reason teased like 4 more characters

[median geyser]

Why is he tagged heroic?

[knotty sage]

all seemingly villains

[median geyser]

Who are the chrs? IK Aquaman is one of them

[tiny cave]

They removed Jason for 1 week, iron giant for almost a month, way to broken character (finn can literally insta kill you barely begining) massive spammers and they havent improved everything in 2 YEARS

[knotty sage]

and leakers ||have found nothing but heroes in the files||

[tiny cave]

That probably season 2

[median geyser]

Still no Freddy🥲

[median geyser]

Iiiiiiyeah... but the game's replayability feels off currently

[tiny cave]

The game called my attention just bc Jason

Bc i didnt play the beta

But yeah

They havent improved anything

[median geyser]

I couldn't play Beta coz the server wasn't available in my country

[tiny cave]

Multiversus is like the cyberpunk of fighting games atm

[median geyser]

Other than changing the game movement & core completely

[knotty sage]

and it was worse than the beta

[median geyser]

This too yeah... & guess what. Jason is worst Tank

[median geyser]

Some appreciated it but some not

[knotty sage]

a LOT didnt

[median geyser]

They still want the fast pace core I can feel that

[tiny cave]

Jason is the most equilibrated fighters in the Game

Finns mains are straight up insta kill

[median geyser]

Unless you dodge out perfectly

Otherwise you're cooked

[tiny cave]

As Jason is prettu undodgeable

Also they just spam the same combo

And yeah

[vapid mica]

Finn is the only unplayable matchup for Jason currently tho

[tiny cave]

I think the Main reason of this Game dead

[vapid mica]

Like the rest are pretty manageable

[tiny cave]

Is the massive amount of spammers

[dry slate]

Any tips/recommended perks for going against Lebron as Jason? I fought two Lebrons lately and they knew how to play with their balls

(Pause)

[tight girder]

I notice that despite how spammy and aggressive Finns are, they are scared of a single hit. I found success in just diving straight down and trying to rush past them just for a side air to push em back. It isn't easy and they can always just aiutool ock onto you.

[vapid mica]

It’s mostly because they made characters like Wonder Woman and joker who can just roll on the keyboard

[tiny cave]

True

[tight girder]

The main strat is to wait for the auto lock to get a major cool down or somethjing. o;

[vapid mica]

So u have to be 3x better for the same results

If you don’t wanna play those characters

[tiny cave]

Bro why finns have autolock?

Wtf

[vapid mica]

Jason on current patch feels strong though imo

He gained a lot of combos

[tiny cave]

Ye

[tight girder]

Well, yeah. He has great damage and is generally a desperate player killer.

[tiny cave]

But Finn stills a pain

For almost every character

[vapid mica]

If they mis time a dodge u can kill them from 0

[tight girder]

Finns land slide Jasons usually because they are faster, have jank hit boxes, and if you go air born for even a second you are a soccor ball.

[vapid mica]

Depending on weight

[tiny cave]

Jason is slow but extremely agresive

[vapid mica]

The only way to beat Finn as Jason

Is for the Finn to be extraordinarily bad

[tiny cave]

Yeah

[vapid mica]

All bro has to do to win in use up special

Hits faster than Jason and is in both directions for if u pop up behind him

[tight girder]

Hold down and dash down if you can bait them to go for it I guess

[vapid mica]

And hits you up

All bad for Jason

[tight girder]

Wait. I remember a real easy strat for beating finn as jason o;

When you use the sleeping bag and miss double tap side attack and teleporti n their house and run the hands fr fr

[vapid mica]

Just alt f4

Or press home on console

Can’t lose if you close the game

[tiny cave]

Spammers literally killed this Game

They gotta increase attack delay cuz holy

Almost every character are so annoying

Jake with the long distance punch and the horse

Shaggys kick

Finn's no skill instakill combo

Harleys down dash attack

Black adam lightning ball

[tight girder]

WW glazing.

parrying should have a difficulty window per class

[tiny cave]

And i just beated a Rick spammer

Spammers are killing this Game so Bad

Like every single Match

Is full of those

And i just 3-0 a Harley spammer

As Jason

Two games in a row

First Rick spamming the sled and the up impulse

And Harley with his down attack

Every single Match is so predictable

[tight girder]

If they don't plan on penalizing spamming and nerfing these busted characters, I would love for them to make it so that the underdog chars hit like a plane that just got hit from the back by a train. o;

[tiny cave]

You have to play like at least 5 hours just to find a decent Match

I just got cooked by another Jason
Just like im saying

Jason is like the only character that doesnt have spamming loops

Jason the goated

[tiny cave]

You know what would be funny?

A anti spam system

That works

Like

[knotty sage]

huh, its almost like they had a system like that in the beta

[tiny cave]

For example if You spam the same move 3 times the oponent gains angry efect

[knotty sage]

an attack decay system of some sort

that would decrease both damage and hitstun of the attacks

[tiny cave]

Giving them more damage

I thinks something similar happens in pve

At some point bots get angry

Increasing their damage

[knotty sage]

i miss attack decay why did they remove it

[tight girder]

6 seconds of them being fully weakened, 4 seconds of you being enraged, and 1 stack of ice effect. o:

[tiny cave]

I think they reduced it

But still present

It's just less than before

But yeah

Spammers are killing this Game so hard

[tiny cave]

Shaggys getting cooked

[tiny cave]

Nah

What about

Permanent weakened

[tight girder]

until the stock? xD

[vapid mica]

Jason does have loops

Jab jab down jab jab down until like 40-50 weight dependent

[tiny cave]

I never seen a spamming jason

[vapid mica]

Jason just also has no reason to do long combos

[halcyon badger]

Hard to spam with this slow ahhh character

[vapid mica]

You can literally kill at like 60

Why combo them more than needed

[tiny cave]

Jason's strat

[vapid mica]

U just chip damage then go for kill

Or just go for kill if they’re light

[tiny cave]

Is making the oponent to drain their dodge meter

Thats like an insta kill for Jason

[vapid mica]

Not even needed

[tiny cave]

Which is cool

[vapid mica]

Post patch Jason can actually combo

[tiny cave]

Yeah

But still

You gotta be careful with the dodges You make against a Jason

If You drain them ur automatically cooked

[halcyon badger]

Unless ur black Adam and can fly away for free 😭

[vapid mica]

Jason is the most lore accurate playstyle

Kill them instantly for making a mistake

[tiny cave]

True

Also is the character with more references

Even the victory and defeat screen are considered references

The defeat screen for normal Jason is a reference to i think third movie

Where he is stabbed in the head with an axe

And the up ground special is a reference to a kill from the game

And i think its also from the movies

[knotty sage]

nah IG takes the medal for most references, every move in his kit is a reference to a scene in the movie

[tight girder]

Missing the overwhelming, tanky, versatile side honestly.

[timber narwhal]

Natural state of game popularity, most have likely finished the BP and likely won't start grinding cor Smith till the last week

[median geyser]

Yes

[flint tide]

@idle wolf batman defo even

had a really long set with the best batman ive ever played

he bodied me for a while but i figured it out

you need to respect divekick and adjust your gameplan around that

you literally can almost never challenge divekick and if you do you will die

if you adjust for that the matchup is WAYYYYYY more manageable

[idle wolf]

100%!!!!!!

[flint tide]

You need to monstrous a lot

Like vs his divekick

You won’t necessarily punish it but you disengage from a really bad situation

[idle wolf]

I was thinking Up Special on dive kick

[flint tide]

That works but only sometimes

And you’re gonna trade at best

[fading hare]

Hey y’all is Jason good now?

[flint tide]

Very

[frosty lynx]

he's been good

🐴

[vapid mica]

Debatable

But he’s really good now that he has actual combos

[flint tide]

Jason wasn’t good last patch