Lebron

[sage harness]

So if me and my pal get a horrible matchup, we just have to go through it twice. Awesome PFG

I think it's the first one

Haven't tried it myself, but people are talking about it in #general

[glass lichen]

Aw man, I quite liked the old system, it was swift and speedy.

I suppose Bo3 is objectively better but the one and done thing prior was comfortable for me

[sage harness]

Same

[glass lichen]

The relief in barely taking the W and getting to relax after, or thanking God for only having to deal with obnoxious opponents once

[sage harness]

Exactly

[soft kite]

The nerfed Lebron again?!

[uneven finch]

jab jab upair doesn't even work iirc

[glass lichen]

Certain Down Special combos do not work well anymore either due to its increased start-up

[ripe hemlock]

Are you serious???

[bold vortex]

jab jab down special / jab jab downair -> down special doesnt work anymore 🙃
jab jab upair is still fine even at 100%+

legit nothing can combo into down special now

[ripe hemlock]

That’s

So cool

I hope they nerf him again next patch

🗿🗿🗿

[glacial lagoon]

if lebron uses down special he immedietly explodes and looses a stock next patch

[bold vortex]

jab jab side special on platform also removed

💀

its joever

and jab jab airwalker combos removed

[wooden harbor]

No way!!! Ffs

Jab2x airwalker was his sauce man

#combos message
I even did something better but it was hard to pull off in game anyways

[bold vortex]

yh i saw that, i stole it and pulled it off a few times

now its hard to even hit jab jab dodge dair because the hitstun is so low

[wooden harbor]

The closest I’ve gotten to that combo in game was this

#clips message

Man I only started LeBron because of his airwalker combos 💀

It’s so annoying

Literally nobody asked for this

Bigger fish in the sea

[bold vortex]

meanwhile harley can still infinite jason with dair -> dodge > dair

[pale charm]

In slightly-less-gloomy news, anyone have any tips for fighting WW as Lebron? She shows up a lot in Ranked, and I keep getting rushed down and outranged.

[graceful blaze]

I feel bad for you all, you all play a fair character and get a nerf while gizmo has free neutral and joker has ToD

[limpid quest]

exactly i don’t understandddd 😭 out of left field garnet and lebron get nerfs

and velma never gets buffs i’m so confused

[limpid quest]

Down tilt has armor break so i like to dash down tilt into them whenever they do down special

[late socket]

I think it whiffs less now that its much faster but still

[mild hornet]

My condolences lebron mains

we can only hope they fix him in mid season (another nerf incoming brace yourselves)

nah but yk maybe lepookie gets buffed in mid season

I hope so

[late socket]

Ok, can I please say something. To me it seems like they want to remove Lebron having loops, which could be fine, but because of how Lebron is designed, killing loops also kills his potential as a zoner and as a combo character. He's not allowed to have multihit on his ball because that could allow for infinite combos, which kills his zoning. He's also not allowed to have good loops without multihit because of course not, so they nerf air down special but because that move is also intrinsically for zoning as well, it demotes it once again. Now all of this would be relatively ok if he actually had some amount of damage output/better normals (notably no ball attacks, small hitboxes and basically useless moves) but I imagine they don't want to give him that because his potential to be a good zoner, and giving zoners good damage as well as good base moves may seem bad on paper. So they're tied between two differing parts of a character and two differing ways to play. I think that this could definitely be solved through sig perks if they really tried. They could have a perk for Lebron to give him some amount of multihit on his ball back but he isn't able combo as well without the ball and maybe he isn't able to summon it as much, this would improve a zoning playstyle. Maybe they could even increase the knockback on ball for a perk (the exploding ball one should do this already but it really doesn't). Then they could add perks to increase his combo potential by upping his normals to be faster/do more damage/have bigger hitboxes but make ball a more situational tool rather than a character defining thing. Idk this is me just spitballing but the current balencing route just doesn't feel good at all.

[spark forum]

Can someone sum this up

[river sapphire]

Silver one and #300
I feel like they have some sort of problem with LeBron

[soft kite]

Just read it bro

[limpid quest]

Here are some Post nerf lebron combos i thought of today that can be somewhat consistant in game #combos message

No down Tilt combos beacuse i find it way to inconsistant across the cast

[tranquil halo]

those combos are fire

dtilt combos would be possible if they reduce the knockback, no idea why they "buffed" it two patches ago

[late socket]

Nerfing lebrons loops nerfs both lebrons combo game and zoning. The character is fundamentally built to have both combos and zoning work together. PFG doesn't want the character to be OP in either regards so Lebron has to have low damage/small hitboxes/slow moves/no ball multihit. This could be remedied by giving LeBron sig perks to play more into either zoning or combos instead just bring the whole character down

[spark forum]

I think it's so funny they obsesse over his loops when TJs are worse and haven't been talked about at all

[late socket]

Yeah

What's crazy to me is nerfing mid tiers in general

And I understand it's hard to balence things

But it just feels bad

[wooden harbor]

Black Adam and Batman got loops aswell 😬
And they deal more damage aswell

[wheat harbor]

my condolences Lebron mains, you didn't deserve this

[spark forum]

Yeah black Adam

The one guy half the community doesn't want to admit os an S tier

[meager halo]

lebron is unplayable rn

ong

[mild hornet]

For the remaining lebron mains

I offer my most heartfelt condolences

just know that

ummm

idk what I was gonna say

Keep playing lebron and dont give in to the temptations of playing a loser character

🏀

[late socket]

I think/hope there are buffs in the works

[sage harness]

Yeah no. Been a lebron main since the day je released in the beta, but the nerfs he got on the release made him literally unplayable.

It's been a couple weeks since I've last played him

[late socket]

You mean dunk being nerfed?

[mild hornet]

abandoning your main

shameful

disgusting

thats not skibidi of you

[sage harness]

Yeah, not gonna handicap myself playing what is BY FAR the worst character in the game.

Specially now that ranked is out

[late socket]

What about Velma

[sage harness]

Sair

[mild hornet]

Alright imma play lebron or velma and reach top 100

Trust

You'll see fr

[meager halo]

that's so easy 😭

i picked lebron like when ranked started

and i'm t3 with him in leaderboard

[mild hornet]

I mean like top 100 players

Not in their character leaderboards

Im joking anyway lmao

[bold vortex]

you can still get alot of free stocks from jab jab dodge netural air up air at 60%+

and these combos are a decent replacement for the old loops #combos message

[meager halo]

wdym old loops brother

this character ain't " loops " only

they removed tons of combo routes

we can't do normal combos

air down heavy feels like slow motion now

i can't even zone

[bold vortex]

jab jab down special/jab jab dair down special

[meager halo]

yeah that's what i said this character ain't loops only

congratz u removed a loop that u can di out of

but removed almost every combo route ?

LOL

this character was bad with that bad loop

low damage and u can escape out of it

[bold vortex]

im not happy with the nerfs either

[meager halo]

no

no no no no

that's the thing

these are not nerfs

the character sucked before what u call " nerfs "

it was low tier

no one used it

but now

these are not normal nerfs

i can literally say this

released joker til to this day didn't get nerfed this hard

esp this nerf for lebron

this literally just removes his combos

his entire combos routes

these are not nerfs

these are literally removing a character from the game

[mild hornet]

"I've uncovered the true villain" ahh 😭🙏

[sage harness]

What's crazy to me is that Lebron's only projectile is not a heavy projectile. That ball looks like it's made from titanium or smth like that

Lebron is already the worst character with the ball, and he's not a character without

Buff that godamm ball bro

[mild hornet]

idk mann velma is kinda worse than lebaron jahames

[gilded scaffold]

why did lebron get nerfed anyway

[glacial lagoon]

i blame demo that man was cooking too much pfg was scared of him

[gilded scaffold]

😭😭😭

its not even like lebron was top 10

[bold vortex]

he had a 0 to death on jason

[gilded scaffold]

everyone got smth on jason

finn has a 0td on the majority of the cast

[mild hornet]

Because finn etc was too strong so naturally nerf lebron yk fr

[gilded scaffold]

finn has like the best MU chart in the game

[tranquil halo]

naw dont buff ball

[sage harness]

#1245143581086322730 message I'm convinced Harley Quinn mains have no braincells

[late socket]

That's what I'm saying, they remove a loop, they remove the strength of both LeBron's zoning and combos

[wooden harbor]

I dropped LeBron because of the patch but I will definitely say

VELMA IS WAYYY WORSE

She has a max 6 hit combo but its diable…

[wooden harbor]

Yea i just saw it

[late socket]

Yknow it would be cool if cd neutral b had an actual move. It could have the same animation but without the ball and be a command grab where he picks the enemy up as passes them like regular ball pass. It'd be fun to have so much control on where the opponent goes

[sage harness]

They need to rework down special

It's bad and nobody uses it for a reason.

It's literally not useful at all

[late socket]

Nb down special?

[sage harness]

Sure you can get your ball back

[sage harness]

yeah

[sage harness]

But this will very rarely happen

[late socket]

Idk I think it's alright. Its a little slow if you whiff but I don't think it's bad

Imo all of his nb moves are kinda bad

[mild hornet]

nerf lebron

[sage harness]

🗣️ 🔥

[late socket]

They'd be fine the way they are if they were garunteed to combo into ball moves

[sage harness]

He's not a character when he doesn't have a ball, and he's one of the worst characters when he DOES have it.

[late socket]

Yeah

Again if they true combo'd it'd be somewhat acceptable

Like especially nb sair

[mild hornet]

nerf lebron, nerf velma, nerf garnet, buff finn, buff arya, buff iron giant

dont forget the ww buff

not a patch without it

[sage harness]

Exactly 🗣️ 🔥

[jolly plume]

I was inspired by ISoars idea of creating various sig perks to accommodate different playstyles so I’ve come up with 3 sig perks that could maybe even replace the current 3 already in the game.

1. Explosive ball: all of Lebrons ball special moves get a significant dmg and knockback increase, but the ball dissipates upon impact. However the ball does a little explosion hitbox on contact for disruption. (Because if this dunk gets a slightly bigger hitbox as well) (This perk is mainly to make lebrons ball a more powerful kill option while making it a more scarce resource)
2. Bouncy Bouncy: the ball can hit an enemy one additional time however the summon ball cooldown is increased. (The multihit improves lebrons zoning capabilities)
3. LeDribble: Lebron gets an increase to his movement speed and attack speed of his attacks while holding the ball. (This is to give him more combos and better attacks overall with ball in hand and improves his melee and combo potential)

Also Isoar is who I give credit for these as these perk ideas were heavily inspired by his previous message suggestions

[tranquil halo]

seeing lebron balance suggestions is cool so i will post mine as well :)

• add a meter bar (like the one smith or samurai jack has) that fills when hitting opponents with melee attacks and depletes when hit/time passes. dunk knockback depends on how much meter you have and when filled completely the meter lets you use team pass dunk (at the cost of resetting your meter back to zero)
• the ball respawn would no longer depend on a cooldown, it would use meter instead
• absorbing a projectile with no ball down special would give meter
• enraging your teammate with grounded no ball neutral would use meter
• chalk gives a jump without necessarily hitting your teammate, to encourage team play
• armor on both grounded neutral moves would depend on the meter charge
• give shoulder bash a slightly more horizontal knockback to fit the move animation
• keep possession would give meter on ball pick up instead of gray health (not sure of this one lol)
• allow fastfall on dunk

i think this light rework of the character would give lebron the kind of options it needs to improve his skill ceiling without making the character easier to use or more prevalent in the meta

[sage harness]

ok I love this one and I could see it getting implemented

However

PFG hates lebron :)

[tranquil halo]

naw i dont think they hate any character, most probably they just dont have enough time to properly balance most of the cast

given that lebron has a specially weird kit is not surprising they mess him up so often

[wooden harbor]

Because of iron giant

He’s the reason no other character is getting balanced

[sage harness]

"Mess him up" is a weird way of saying nerf 😭

[tranquil halo]

lmao

[tranquil halo]

true

[wooden harbor]

They spend more time writing the same nerfs for iron giant than buffing others such as Velma.

They didn’t buff Velma since season 1 but they were sure to write his nerfs…

Cant wait till he gets removed maybe other characters will have a chances to recieve balance changes 🙏

[jolly plume]

To add to this meter idea it’d be interesting if as you gain meter you get more effects added to dunk like after a third of meter you get super armor. 2 thirds and get a shockwave, etc, etc.

[tranquil halo]

i thought of that but i couldnt type it in well enough lol

imo dunk being tied to a meter resource like that would be perfect

[late socket]

I like those, but depending on the way LeDribble would be implemented it could quickly become his best perk

[late socket]

Also it'd be intreating to have a nb move that doesn't give ball back

[meager halo]

honestly man

what were the devs doing

this is so unplayable

literally has to be the worst character

[wooden harbor]

Velma is wayy worse

[jolly plume]

You forgot Velma not a character

[glacial lagoon]

still waiting for the velma release

[tranquil halo]

taz worse imo

[mild hornet]

tf

I feel like taz is pretty good

[sage harness]

?????

Clearly not a taz main

Saying taz is bad is crazy ngl

[peak marlin]

so is jab jab up dodge dair combo route gutted?

havent played bron since the nerf

also assuming jab jab uair doesnt connect

[jolly plume]

Taz has pretty nutty stuff. Active fastfall tornado is crazy. Especially in 2s. Nair scoops and combos. Dogpile can’t be contested without projectiles. Better kill confirms and combos than lebron.

[jolly plume]

Yeah Jab up air doesn’t really connect. Dair can work though

[peak marlin]

ok so the new route would be like jab jab dodge up dair ball pass instead of air down special?

lebron had so much sauce while still being a relatively balanced character. shame they had to ruin the fun.

[jolly plume]

Yeah then you can dodge forward nb sair and chain it back into jab.

[peak marlin]

so we still have sauce?

all hope not lost?

[jolly plume]

Some yes and you can still do jab, ball pass loops

[peak marlin]

might give bron another go then. was prepared to abandon ship.

[jolly plume]

It’s still annoying though that they limit our routes

[peak marlin]

yeah, as if the ball nerfs werent bad enough from before lol. we still got characters like finn that can hit you and never touch the ground and carry you coast to coast lol.

[obtuse hedge]

I’m actually sorry for that lebron that I just beat in ranked

Ur character combos are all patched out

😭

That wasent a fair fight at all

Pfg hate y’all for no reason

They can’t affoard good lebron James moves

[mild hornet]

everytime I beat a lebron I toast them

and I never salt emote or teabag

🙏😭🫡

[sage harness]

Just bought Smack Studio. Yeah I ain't coming back to this game lmao 😂

[mild hornet]

Tf is smack studio

Looks like ass ngl

[jolly plume]

Never heard of that. Might drop this game for rivals 2 though. Looks pretty fun

[sage harness]

Play it dawg

Way more fun that whatever this game tried to be

Multiversus beta > Multiversus release

[sage harness]

Oh I'll DEFINITELY drop any game I'm playing when Rivals 2 releases

[mild hornet]

💀❌️

[sage harness]

Shi looks so good

[sage harness]

This is how I know you never played the beta 😂

[mild hornet]

Beta was straight dookie

I literally have alpha cosmetics

[sage harness]

Ask beta players which version they like more and I guarantee you that 80% of them will choose the beta 🤷‍♂️

[mild hornet]

Yeah cause they're braindead

Lets go man I love dodge spam and horrendous hitboxes

I also love insanely stupid physics

Yess the beta woohoo

Rewatching clips of the beta how tf did I ever like that shi

Actual garbage objectively

[sage harness]

Like that's change LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[mild hornet]

It has changed are u special

Comparing the beta hitboxes to now theres no competition

[sage harness]

Oh yeah I love taking 2 years to reach the ground while fast falling

Idk what you on tbh. You can keep meat riding the game tho I won't stop you 🤷‍♂️

[jolly plume]

I think changes like that are fine cause it makes disadvantage actually disadvantage

[mild hornet]

Im objectively right ur just bringing up garbage opinions

The beta is not like u remember it

I used to be like u

On release

[sage harness]

You did not just say "objectively right" while talking about your opinion LMAOOO

[mild hornet]

Its not an opinion omfg u gotta be special dawg, the hitboxes are objectively so much better

[sage harness]

As I said you can continue meatriding this game i won't stop you 😂

[sage harness]

jack's kick 😂

[mild hornet]

If u can bring me where I said the hitboxes are perfect that'd be great

[jolly plume]

What move is that? If it’s jab I think that one is fine

[mild hornet]

So stupid

[sage harness]

Nah that's an insane take ngl

I play Jack and even I can admit that Jab 1's hitbox is stupid

[jolly plume]

I’ve personally not had much trouble with it but I haven’t played the game in a week lol. So you might be right

[sage harness]

It's absurdly broken. Most of the hitboxes in this game still need to be revised

I just stopped playing altogether. Not gonna waste my time playing smth I don't enjoy 🤷‍♂️

[jolly plume]

One thing I do miss about beta is beta Lebron though like he was so good and had so many options compared to now

[sage harness]

Exactly

Notice how nobody complained about LeBron in the beta

[mild hornet]

That and the ui lmao

Everything else was garbage

[jolly plume]

Yeah old UI was unique

[sage harness]

Yep

Even the pre-match perk selection screen

Speaking of which, the old perk system was far better than the current one

They took every opportunity they had to monetize every single aspect of this game

[mild hornet]

They being wb

[sage harness]

It genuinely makes me mad how a genuinely fun game devolved into this shi

[mild hornet]

Beta was fun cause it was chaos lmao fundamentally it was worse than now

[jolly plume]

I mean that’s just WB wanting to cash in after a year

[sage harness]

🤷‍♂️

All I know is I'm having way more fun in Rivals and in Smack Studio

[jolly plume]

alright then

[mild hornet]

Smack studio

Not even gonna say anything

[sage harness]

Ofc you haven't tried it 🗿

[mild hornet]

Aight bro have fun in smack studio

[sage harness]

Already doing that fam 😂

[jolly plume]

Yeah I think because of the speed of the game that’s what the balance became focused around because everyone can just mash dodge jump and do whatever. Which is probably why IG was the worst character by the end of the beta. But now that the game is slower the game balance has to be more focused on the characters kits cause of the speed diffs

[mild hornet]

Smack studio

Idk why such a funny name

[jolly plume]

the studio of smacking

[sage harness]

Character + stage creator

[mild hornet]

Snooze

[sage harness]

And also a rigging system that uses depth maps to create the illusion that the characters are 3d

[mild hornet]

Ah so

Snooze

[sage harness]

Mentally challenged

[jolly plume]

Wait I think I actually heard of that game. Didn’t OTK do a presentation on it?

[sage harness]

Yup

[jolly plume]

ok then I could see that being a dumb fun sort of game

[sage harness]

The graphics may be weird but the gameplay is absolutely fantastic.

[jolly plume]

Sort of like rivals creation projects like Ronald McDonald

[sage harness]

lmao

There's a really high quality character called Tacoman. He's really fun and balanced

[jolly plume]

yeah I’d imagine there are balanced characters as well

[sage harness]

It has the gameplay depth of smash combined with the responsive movement of MVS

[jolly plume]

Interesting

[sage harness]

Also, it's on a very early development stage so yeah

[sage harness]

There's grabs, shields (which are directional), parrying that actually feels like parrying (not like in some other game) and its own version of final smashes.

Aerial attacks (for the most part) can be charged

There's wavedashing (we love wavedashing 🗣️ )

And a lot more things that I forgor about

[jolly plume]

Seems pretty neat

[sage harness]

It almost feels like the Mugen of platform fighters

[sage harness]

Yeah it's insanely fun

[jolly plume]

might not grab it til later though

[sage harness]

Yeah I don't blame you

It's fun but it's got many issues

Most of which are graphical

I don't really like the UI

Knockback is really slow for some reason (this is definitely gonna get changed)

And some moves lack impact

[tranquil halo]

🤦

[mild hornet]

Beta top 3 lebron in 2s

[tranquil halo]

yea because i liked the game

[mild hornet]

U liked lebron

Which is understandable

He aint the same beast now

I too liked beta batman

Made no sense tho

To have essentially every pathway open for combos

[jolly plume]

Yeah I hated Superman cheese because of this cause lebron has a bad disadvantage in beta and release. But this allowed Superman to get free stocks after hitting nair once cause lebron can’t do anything off stage.

[mild hornet]

yeah there was like no endlag at all

[bold vortex]

#clips message finally 🫡♿

[compact plume]

please for the love of god buff no-ball lebron

i hate going against him bc every time he doesnt have the ball he plays like a rat that is training for a marathon

[sage harness]

Buff LEBRON AS A WHOLE

He's the most ASS he's ever been

[compact plume]

They need to buff his normal moves and nerf his balls a little imo, i also hate his down special on the edge

I haven’t gone against LeBron to give a good opinion tho

[whole echo]

What could they nerf about ball? Probably worst state it’s ever been in if we count Beta Bron

[compact plume]

mainly the speed

i think they should slow down the ball but put increase the amount of times you can get hit by it

[whole echo]

My brother in Christ this would fundamentally KILL LeBron

[compact plume]

really?

ig it would make him more of a harder character and change his playstyle

they def need to buff his no-ball tho, theres nothing much you can do other than wait for the enemy to mess up then get a hit

[tranquil halo]

real

[jolly plume]

I don’t think it’s that fast imo unless you maybe do no look pass

[obtuse hedge]

Lebron James is slacking rn in the Olympic games

He should hit nair Ngl

[sage harness]

EVEN MORE of a harder character????

Nah bro it's insane how ppl wanna nerf even more a character that's already bottom tier

[compact plume]

i dont want to nerf him i want to even out some of his moves, so buff some and nerf basically just a small part of his ball

[sage harness]

It's just crazy to me that you want to nerf the one part of his kit that you can easily avoid and, when you do avoid it, turns LeBron into a non-character.

[compact plume]

thats my point, i want lebron to be someone thats actually good but doesnt heavily depend on him having a ball, nerfing his ball speed wont do much to the character and if you buff other parts of him you wont need to throw the ball as much

and i want to buff his when he doesnt have a ball so he isnt just useless

also i barely play or play against lebron so idk much about him like i said before

[hollow bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-multi-versus-the-bron-jame-moshinate-gif-26323233

[soft kite]

use neutral air to help get your bacll back

[sage harness]

Yeah no smack studio may look bad but it's way more fun than MVS

[wooden harbor]

I call cap

[sage harness]

Nah brother

Try the game

[mild hornet]

I just tried it

It sucks

Mvs better

[heady peak]

just gonna say this
lebron
legendary skin
Michael Jordan

that's it

[sage harness]

No you didn't

[sage harness]

just gonna say this
lebron
legendary skin
Lebron James

that's it

[dusty venture]

why is my damage always low as Lebron? I swear im doing more than it says on the end screen

[late socket]

Well it could be because Lebron just does low damage in general

[jolly plume]

Lebron has lowest dmg output in game lol

[dusty venture]

I swear the game doesnt count some of his moves when calculating his damage

[jolly plume]

Probably not. I mean his nb sair does like 3 dmg which is laughable. Maybe ignite dmg doesn’t count for the dmg you dealt. Cause that is a separate effect

[delicate mason]

I just don’t feel that (opponents), if you run out of dodge meter, you should be able to dodge as frequently still or have the same distance your dodge usually travels
Why make it hard for Lebron to punish AND STILL allow opponents to runaway

[jolly plume]

You can dodge as frequently while in burnout with dodge having slightly less distance wdym?

[delicate mason]

It certainly doesn’t feel that way to me

[jolly plume]

Well I feel burnout dodge and normal dodge is super similar visually imo and it can be kind of a nuisance cause they can spam burnout dodge for movement to easily avoid Lebron stuff

[delicate mason]

And that’s just it. If I make my way in on TnJ, Rick/Morty Giz or Martian, the reward is to just get dishes to the other side since burnout dodge doesn’t really look like it puts them at disadvantage for spamming it

[jolly plume]

Yeah I think there really shouldn’t be a dodge in burnout so all they can do when they get hit is try and DI away or attack before then

[midnight dome]

Yo this dude actually needs to be nerfed

[late socket]

This guy has no idea what he's talking about

[late socket]

It would get rid of void tech in burnout but yeah it would be nice

[mild hornet]

nah he right

nerf lebron

strongest character in the game

ummm he can

attack

and dodge

and jump

sheesh

nerf ts guy already

[jolly plume]

You forgot that the ball can BOUNCE

[midnight dome]

There should be a limit to how many balls he can throw at a time or at least have them do less damage and knockback

[wheat harbor]

wait you werent joking? oh dear

Lebron was nerfed and he was already not that good, help this man please

[mild hornet]

he already got nerfed to the ground man 😭

[jolly plume]

The balls don’t deal that much dmg and knockback

Like Learn how to dodge

[meager halo]

too hard
nerf bron

[mild hornet]

Would be pretty cool to get a bron skin with the gold medal

And the US uniform

I think it'd look nice

[sage harness]

Crazy cuz you can just dodge once and LeBron is effectively a non-character for as long as his ball is on cooldown.

[meager halo]

what's annoying is not that this character is so bad to the point that playing with it is just a hard mode

it's the fact that u gotta approach with the worst kit on the game

people r gonna stick at the edge of the map waiting for u to approach and punish u

crazy honestly

[sage harness]

Literally

You're handicapping yourself just to play your favorite character

What really infuriated me and made me literally drop the game was the fact that the last patch they thought "Mhm, I think we're done buffing the already top tier characters. Time to nerf Lebron again for absolutely no reason!"

The nerf was so uncalled for and SO unnecessary that it felt like a slap in the face.

MVS already had some critical issues such as the abhorrent monetization and the EXTREMELY grindy aspect of the game. This was just the last straw.

[mild hornet]

nerf him again

[dusty venture]

did the lebron nerf remove his jab, jab, air dodge, down air, down special combo?

[jolly plume]

Yes

You can still do jab jab dair into etc

But down special you can’t combo with anymore

[delicate mason]

Just had to do this and lost to a joker. lol.

[wheat harbor]

The Bron Jame

[hollow coyote]

Taz main here. Your basketballs are delicious

[sage harness]

This is the funniest message in the entire multiversus community lmfao

[late socket]

Wait until the Bron presses NB down b

[abstract reef]

The balls 😭

[mild hornet]

nerf lebron please

[sage harness]

And keep waiting cuz he ain't doing that 😹

They gonna get on his ass before the startup frames have even finished

[bold vortex]

#clips message 🫡

[mild hornet]

Masters lebron?

Nerf him

Right now

I've seen enough

[bold vortex]

agree

[wooden harbor]

LeBrons nerf was kinda needed because of his long combo potential and loops

But they did too much

The main problem is why nerf his hitstun when

reindog sair is 0,9s long on mid/high%
Or Arya upspecial where people have literally found a to combo it into eachother #clips message

[jolly plume]

I don’t think the nerf was needed cause while he had nice combos he had awful neutral tools which balanced that fact. And even with long combos his dmg his super low so it doesn’t matter that much

[wooden harbor]

Yea his damage is a problem. But aslong as he can get a consistent 60+ from hitting a jab, I see him nerf worthy

They should have buffed his damage before tweaking with his combos tho

Probably the lowest damage character

[jolly plume]

Eh I mean joker can get like 50 dmg minimum off his jab and he has a better jab.

[bold vortex]

i wonder how the new auto ground tech will mess with lebron combos

[bold vortex]

the down special nerf would have been enough

[wooden harbor]

Lebron is soo cooked

@sage harness LeBron Finna be bottom 3 with the ground bounce tech.

[sage harness]

Lebron gonna be top bottom now 😭

[wooden harbor]

Unless they gonna huge buff LeBron damage they gutted him

[sage harness]

They HATE THE DAMM CHARACTER

[wooden harbor]

Like I get loops being patched

But LeBron main way to get damage is ground bounce 🤦‍♂️

Dair is one of the only moves you can hit on jab 2x

[wooden harbor]

Something suspicious is going on behind the scenes 😭

[sage harness]

This is why I haven't played in a month

[wooden harbor]

Nah he needs a crazy buff

This isn’t fair

[sage harness]

I'll drop multiversus entirely if Lebron doesnt get buffed next patch

[wooden harbor]

It’s just inconsiderate as hell

[wooden harbor]

Why does a character have to pay for loops done by others 🤦‍♂️

[jolly plume]

Because no one cares about lebron apparently. And no one on dev team mains him so they lose to a Lebron once and decide to nerf him hard

[wooden harbor]

Summed it up perfectly

So after dair you might aswell finish the combo instead of continuing

[sage harness]

🔼

[mild hornet]

NERF LEBRON YESSSS 🤩🤩🤩🤩

Jk

I reckon he'll get buffed for sure

Maybe

[jolly plume]

You might as well just do nair into up air or something of the sort

After dair

[glacial lagoon]

i feel like lebron will get buffed with how much every single person everyone hated lebron nerfs

[wooden harbor]

Lebron went from advanced combos to 5 hit combos max

The craziest downfall of all time

I think they tryna tell a story of what’s happening with LeBron rn

[jolly plume]

It’ll make sense when they release Micheal Jordan and he is God tier

[bold vortex]

but does the ground bounce auto tech go off if you do a jab or something inbetween? like jab -> ball -> sair - jab ball loop should still work?

[wooden harbor]

Yea it goes off

Otherwise superman’s loop would still be here

[bold vortex]

the way nakat words it in the video is "when a fighter is the victim of an attack that bounces them off the ground IF they are bounced of the ground again they perform automatic tech"

jake dair is gonna be fun to use

[wooden harbor]

Yea I got confused at first too and the video representation didn’t help

I don’t know why they showed bugs bunny double dair instead of loops

[wooden harbor]

Nah that is probably exception

[mild hornet]

Lets go lebron gutted even more 🙏🙏🙏🙏

He was too strong without tech

[jolly plume]

I’d imagine they didn’t think about it lol

They don’t think about a lot of things

[sage harness]

It seems they don't think at all.

[quartz steppe]

yeah, idk who's in charge of buffing/nerfing lebron. they need to get switched out

[meager halo]

WE EATING

YES

[bold vortex]

Ground Side Attack 1
+ Now more consistently combos into ground side attack 2
Air/Ground Side Special
+ Land cancel window advanced 4 frames
Air Down Special
+ Start-up window reduced 5 frames; this is a revert from patch 1.2.1

[left iris]

We only buffing bron bron cuz they saw was he was doing this summer

Realized that he’s the goat in irl but they not making him the goat in da game

[ripe hemlock]

wowie

[low bear]

Him getting a down special buff only cuz he won irl is funny

[spice ibex]

Where are the nerfs?, I was promised nerfs!

[drowsy folio]

Congratulations to LeBron James on winning Gold! In celebration we’ve given LeBron some buffs, but only because he won. Our new Auto-Tech system allows us to prevent an infinite loop that was occuring due to being able to repeatedly ground-bounce opponents so we’re reverting the change to Air Down Special from the last hotfix patch. 💀

But really is that winning gold lmao

[sage harness]

The whole balancing team needs to be fired

[bold vortex]

ground bounce tech killed him, ggs

[drowsy folio]

Bro dev team wants him gold

[sage harness]

Wait is that all?

Are those genuinely all of his buffs this update?

[bold vortex]

yes

[sage harness]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yeah no, I made the right decision dropping this game 1 month ago 😂

This is actually ridiculous

Pathetic

A show of total incompetence

[bold vortex]

the buffs would have been fine but with the new ground bounce very cool gameplay its not fun to play him

[sage harness]

Buffs?

[sage harness]

1 is literally a bugfix because jabs ARE SUPPOSED TO COMBO INTO EACH OTHER. The other is just ???. The third one is literally a revert of a previous nerf.

[bold vortex]

down special reverted + all the annoying machups is actually punishable

[sage harness]

Isn't he still one of the worst chars in the game?

Doesn't he have even less combos now with the tech thing?

[bold vortex]

yes

which is what i said

[sage harness]

Mhm

This is genuinely enfuriating

How can you turn something as good as the MVS beta into this atrocious crap

Literally EVERYONE loved the beta.

The release? Only a few defended it and even then, PFG refused to immediately listen to the feedback THE WHOLE COMMUNITY was giving them

This really is these Player's First Game

[drowsy folio]

Funny thing is lebron is winning gold 💀

[meager halo]

oh my god

lebron is so much fun to play rn

[sage harness]

Wait, they BUFFED BANANA GUARD? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[meager halo]

yeah nvm

tech destroys lebron

[iron wind]

yeah:(

also lag spikes are still there

i hope thats just because of alot of people playign rn

[wooden harbor]

Who is working for multiversus

[wooden harbor]

I just came back to see this shi

These mfs are telling a story about LeBron’s legacy

[sage harness]

An incompetent individual for sure.

[jolly plume]

Ok I like the dunk change cause that move is slow as hell but still all they did was revert down special nerf. Like give me back jab 2 hitstun please

or give him more dmg or more combo routes

[valid spoke]

Ground Side Attack 1

• Now more consistently combos into ground side attack 2

What does that mean ?? Was'nt side attack 1 & 2 already connected ?

[sage harness]

This incompetence is making me cry bro 😭

[bold vortex]

alot of times vs smaller characters they fell out of jab 2

unironically feels better to play lebron this patch (excluding the ground tech bs) improved movement feels nice

[wooden harbor]

Thank you developers for nerfing jokers hitbox! 😅 I love that it matches the animation now, I don’t know why people aren’t praising developers about this.

The game is only just getting better 💪.

I also see LeBron got some really good buffs too.

[sage harness]

Please tell me this is satire

[sage harness]

LMFAOOOOO

You can't be serious 😂

There's just no way 😂

Please be satire

[wooden harbor]

Why would I be satire?

Don’t you see developers are trying their best.

Releasing new techs and everything

[sage harness]

Please bro be satire

Please let this be a "the joke flew over your head" moment

[wooden harbor]

The buffs weren’t enough?

[sage harness]

Are you a Lebron main by any chance?

[wooden harbor]

Jab1x into jab2x hits consistently

Now you can enjoy combos 😅

[wooden harbor]

No I main joker

[sage harness]

HOW IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH IS THAT A BUFF?? THAT'S THE INTENDED BEHAVIOUR OF THE MOVE BEING FIXED

Ok no yknow what, I refuse to argue with someone this clueless.

[wooden harbor]

Bugfix that’s also a buff. 💪

[sage harness]

Hop off

[wooden harbor]

Me personally I’m loving this patch my main got a fair share of nerfs, and I’m happy to see less fortunate characters like Velma garnet and lebron being brought up

Meanwhile bringing down characters such as joker Arya and Finn

[mild hornet]

Lmao

Mvs beta

Was complete ass

[sage harness]

???

There's no way 😂

[mild hornet]

It was garbage

Ur joking right

[sage harness]

New gens smh...

[mild hornet]

I been here since the alpha

Beta sucks

[wooden harbor]

Nah I was trolling

[sage harness]

Oh it's you lmao

[wooden harbor]

Now that Velma can ZTD and kill true at 50 #clips message

Y’all are now the worst

[sage harness]

I knew it was bait but I still fell like a fish 😔

[wooden harbor]

Im happy they reduced my mute time 😀

[sage harness]

Is this "y'all" in the room with us rn

Cuz almost no one plays Lebron lmfao 😂

[wooden harbor]

😭😭😭😭

Actually who here plays LeBron as there main?

[wooden harbor]

Do you still main him?

[sage harness]

It's been more than a month since I last played the game

This last patch was the nail in the coffin. There's no way I'm coming back to this pile of garbage

Specially when I'm having so much more fun in other games

[wooden harbor]

I wanted to come to LeBron after buffs

But 😬

Congratulations LeBron my ass

[sage harness]

"buffs" lmfaoooooo

[late socket]

I love PFG giving inadvertent nerfs to LeBron every goddamn patch 😁

[wooden harbor]

They reverting one change because of the ground bounce shi 🤦‍♂️

Like bruh give lebron more

I have never seen that much people drop one character

[late socket]

If they're going to include auto teching it should at least be negative frames so it's punishable or keep it the way it is and make it so that it doesn't happen until the fourth ground bounce. Or maybe even make it take meter and at no meter you get no iframes

Give LeBron's multihit ball back if we're doing auto teching too

It shouldn't allow for infinites

[jolly plume]

Man is saying this like the devs ever come into this channel lmao

[late socket]

I mean they should. They should care enough to see how everyone feels about the new patch and to get feedback. But yeah it seems like they don't

[sage harness]

Man is saying this like the devs care about balance lmao

[sage harness]

Yeah they don't

That's been pretty obvious since the first season

[wooden harbor]

They knew ground bounce was gonna kill him, they even added it to his patch notes.

Despite this they gave a bugfix buff and a revert.

They know what they are doing and don’t care. LeBron is gonna become better season 3 midseason

[wooden harbor]

Velma can do this shi now #clips message

Lebron is now the only character in D tier

[sage harness]

Ik about it

[sage harness]

Yep

[sage harness]

Will the game have any players by then tho?

[wooden harbor]

Joker mains will be here

[sage harness]

Lmao

[wooden harbor]

How did he not get touched?

[sage harness]

Everyone using a top tier that hasn't been nerfed in forever basically

Stupid ass game

[wooden harbor]

Oh wait a good character can do a loop

Lets ruin combo game for low tiers

[sage harness]

😂

It's just so frustrating seeing such an original and fun character get demolished by this god awful balancing team

[wooden harbor]

They could have done something like if you do the same move twice instead

[wooden harbor]

Like hitstun goes away and you can dodge

[sage harness]

Dude, I've been maining LeBron since the day he came out in the beta. That's how much I liked the character dawg

[wooden harbor]

It saves people doing loops and you don’t need to do the same move twice in a game

[sage harness]

mhm

[wooden harbor]

Actually no that ruins batmans combo game

Maybe 3 times 😭

[mild hornet]

Batmans combo game already ruined

Divekick down air my beloved

I miss you

Come back pookie

I like the auto tech but I think they need to increase its trigger to 3 bounces

Instead of on the 2nd

[bold vortex]

jab jab dunk on platform is true again this patch #combos message

[mild hornet]

Sick

[valid spoke]

Can someone share a match up tier list for Lebron

[wooden harbor]

Wonderwoman is probably impossible

[valid spoke]

I dont struggle to much against them , but maybe bc im at a low rank

[bold vortex]

personally i cannot play vs marvin that matchup is just cooked,
tom&Jerry is also a very hard matchup
ww can be rough but can also be baited if they are side special spammers
gizmo can be pretty nasty aswell just because he is so small
a good taz/steven can also be very hard

[late socket]

LeBron is minus on most top tiers

[glacial lagoon]

lebron just an anvil factory for taz fr

[sage harness]

Lebron is minus on every character

[wooden harbor]

Marvin is just annoying asf

Im so happy bro can’t kill early

[bold vortex]

the whole match do be like down attack upattack spam untill im 100+% then i hit 1 jab jab dodge neutral atk upair and kill at 40

[meager halo]

steven

i think steven is lebron's worst matchup

but here is the thing tho it would not be called a matchup since lebron doesn't have a single winning matchup

he just loses to every character including velma

crazy right

[late socket]

Yeah

Yknow I may have been a little harsh on the patch

Its terrible don't get me wrong

But the buffs are nice

It would be even better if there was no auto teching (or if auto teching was a worse option) because it limits how much you can get off of winning neutral (which lebron is terrible at especially if he has no ball)

But if you have good reads and your opponent doesn't know how to press the dodge button when a ball is coming at them he's not too bad

What really bugs me the most is how a lot of the patches limit his potential, his character identity, and his combos with not too much in return. I feel like the only really impactful buff since release is the sair change

Meanwhile he gets multihit, airwalker and ground bounce combos stripped away

Something needs to be done, I'm not sure exactly what but he was in a pretty balanced state in the season 2 patch. Auto teching only happening after like 4 ground bounces, adding back ball multihit, making his base kit stronger are all options. I just have a feeling that he's going to be one of the least played and worst characters in this state

[mild hornet]

3 bounces is better

[wooden harbor]

100%

[glacial lagoon]

nah 2 bounces is good for most characters,lebron should have definetly had that thing where some attacks dont trigger tech though

[valid spoke]

Yeah, the crazy thing about Lebron is that he have 0 free win against certain characters like other chareacter MU 💀

[mild hornet]

Downfall of lebron

[native tundra]

LeBron beats Jason pretty easily imo

[wooden harbor]

Greatest downfall

Before all the nerfs he had hightier potential

Now he has low tier potential 😭

[valid spoke]

I Tried to make a MU Chart for Lebron, share me your thoughts about it !
#clips message

[meager halo]

No
Every plus matchup is absurd
Giant and superman alone r -2 mu

However if we’re really going to make a convo for a winning matchup I think the only +1 mu has to be Jason

And I’m nitpicking here trying to put a single matchup where Bron wins

[valid spoke]

Maybe bc i have never fight a good IG or SuperMan but i have always win against them , they are big body so it's pretty easy to combo them and touch them with ball

[meager halo]

What’s ur rank

[valid spoke]

Plat 4

(In solo)

[valid spoke]

Dont you think Banana Guard is a good MU for Lebron ? 🤔

[meager halo]

well

it's hard bcz it's been a long time since i fought a banana guard

i would put it in even

also beetlejuice is a -1 to a -2

he counters alot of bron's moves easily while also having the air advantage

[tranquil halo]

agree

[mild hornet]

Yo bro nerf lebron like tf

He's so strong

[meager halo]

stfu

[bold vortex]

did some testing when different combos kill #combos message

conclusion, nair uair kills very early vs lighter characters and is more consistent in general because you dont have to get a good ground bounce, dair nair uair better vs heavier targets (tested on Dodge random& Away @sky arena )

[mild hornet]

Bro mad cause his main is broken asf 😭🙏

[glacial lagoon]

yeah idk when they are going to actually nerf lebron hes stupid good

[meager halo]

[sage harness]

It still baffles me how y'all call those "buffs" 💀

One was a fix, the other was a revert and the other was also a fix so that Lebron's jabs ACTUALLY WORK AS JABS

[late socket]

True

[meager halo]

" but brooo lebron is good he deserves a nerf 😿 "

" ya bro nerf lebron like tf he's so stron 🥹 "

[sage harness]

Literally

This community is actually braindead man.

Harley Mains asking for buffs

Non-Lebron mains saying he's too strong/ he's fine.

Samurai Jack mains coping and saying he's balanced

Dropping this game was the best decision of my life

[meager halo]

i wish i would've done that

[mild hornet]

☝️🤓🧠🙏🤩💯💯💯💯

Its kinda crazy that u lebron mains are so braindead to the point where u cant sense potential satire

Legit never seen more mentally challenged individuals like im sorry man idkkk I feel bad for y'all the nerfs and whatever but 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉🔥💀🗣🤩🔥🤩🔥🤩🔥🙏🔥🤩🔥🙏🔥🤩

[glacial lagoon]

SO REAL 🔥

[bold vortex]

yet you keep yapping in the mvs discord 🤔

[sage harness]

Hating is my passion 🤷‍♂️

[valid spoke]

That's very usefull !! Thanks !

[jolly plume]

Yeah and the talk of lebron being OP from random people happens often enough to a point where it’s basically a joke cause the devs gonna nerf him no matter what. People still tend to take things seriously though lol

[late socket]

Holy moly thank you

[late socket]

LeBron meta going to revolve around this

[valid spoke]

What perks do u recommand in 1v1 ,

[jolly plume]

I also feel his meta will revolve around tech chasing setups and options if those are labbed well

[late socket]

Yeah true. Rn all I've been doing is nairing where I think they'll go. What about you?

[jolly plume]

Generally it depends on what combo I do and what I think they do. For jab, ball into nb dair I’ll usually try and dodge down to when they will tech and then jab again to continue the combo. If the tech initiates on a ball ground bounce they usually tech away so I do a dodge forward nb sair to hopefully continue into jab. You could also alternatively cover with a dodge forward shoulder charge for a kill or the smoke move cause why not.

Oh and for the Jab 2x into dair, ball pass if they tech away I dodge forward nb sair or nb nair. If they tech in or no tech I will fast fall and cover with shoulder charge, smoke, or foul

[late socket]

Ok sick

I didn't know you could follow up the tech with jab

I wonder if it's possible or probable to catch them with a ball pass or down b

Considering that it could lead into a melee follow up to activate flammable doc

[jolly plume]

Yeah I was labbing it and if you fastfall you can land to hit the jab. For teching away you’ll need to dodge land. This is only for doing the ball pass nb dair loop I found cause you have ball mode when they tech. Everything else is more limited cause nb moves don’t lead to many follow-ups for the tech.

but I found shoulder charging is pretty nice cause it puts them above you to set up for up air.

or kills outright.

[late socket]

True

How many successful loops have you been able to do?

[jolly plume]

Tbh I’m not that good at it but I’ve done about 3-4 loops max

[whole echo]

Thoughts fellow lebrons #clips message

[jolly plume]

I’ve labbed it with dodge random though so sometimes you have to switch to nb sair to cover DI out

also the bot I think always DI in for some reason

[late socket]

Yeah it'll always tech towards where it normally stands

[late socket]

Fire

[jolly plume]

Man has the layups

[late socket]

NB sair after jab ball pass?

[jolly plume]

If they are set to DI away it is harder to get nb dair from jab ball pass so I just do nb sair to continue it.

At later dmg amounts that is

[late socket]

Yeah makes sense

I wonder if you can IAD NB sair on the ground to catch it or is it too far/too high

Since idk if there's enough time to jump and then dodge NB sair

And usually I just dodge jump

[jolly plume]

Do you mean for jab ball pass?

[late socket]

Yeah

[jolly plume]

You get quite a bit of time so yeah you can do it

[late socket]

Nice

[jolly plume]

if you can smoke them you can jump dodge nb sair

[late socket]

True

Yeah I was just thinking basically that. You can follow up with pretty much anything

[jolly plume]

Labbing the loop though is quite annoying cause of how easy it is for the enemy to fall out of nb sair or even avoid nb dair

[late socket]

Yeah, I wish it was more consistent

[jolly plume]

Like even just doing nb sair into jab you have to position perfectly. It’s kinda dumb.

I’d rather it be always true until it is more stale

[late socket]

Yeah

Honestly imo it would be cool/ interesting if they make LeBron a combo centric character like shiek where almost all of his moves can true combo into each other (especially nb moves) but he doesn't have too much damage to compensate (like he already has).

Or I guess maybe not all of his moves but just all of his NB moves

Or maybe not, maybe he could stay the same way he is and be a reads based demon

[jolly plume]

Yeah it’d be nice though if some of his moves got higher dmg amounts like smoke or nb dair to compensate for moves like that being slower

[late socket]

Yeah

Honestly the tech isn't as bad as I first thought

You can still cook

Just takes reads

[jolly plume]

Yeah it’s pretty nice even cause it can allow you to extend combos in ways you couldn’t before.

[late socket]

Like what?

[jolly plume]

Essentially because teching causes the enemy to forcibly move to one of 3 locations you can just read and extend a combo with almost any move. It can also force a confirm kill with shoulder charge or ball jab setup if you read. Sadly I haven’t been able to find a tech chase setup that connects into dunk that well.

Before with ground bounce extensions you were only limited to another ground bounce to extend the combo or a finisher move.

With tech chasing you can confirm into a grounded jab or something else in general to extend. All in all a lot more freedom

[late socket]

True

[late socket]

Maybe you could do dunk by finding some way of hitting someone so they ground bounce twice on a platform. Not sure how you would do it but it'd allow you insta dunk

Maybe down b into falling NB dair

[jolly plume]

Maybe but nb dair slows fast fall monentum and requires tight positioning with sweet spot.

I’d imagine something will be found

[late socket]

Yeah

I'm excited to see how it unfolds. Well if it does, a couple LeBron's stopped playing

[meager halo]

again

do not play this character

it loses to everything

[mild hornet]

Nerf this character

Im curious if I just spammed nerf lebron like everyday in feedback how big of an impact would it have given the fact that they already hate the character

[jolly plume]

Well it wouldn’t matter because they were just gonna nerf him anyway.

[quartz steppe]

nerf this character
nerf that character
people migrate to the next op character
and i'm just like dang, don't they know they're just making the game even slower

[meager halo]

yes nerf lebron

team nerf lebron

ball too strong

[quartz steppe]

it's sad 'cuz ball used to hit multiple times and then they added tech-rolling so, there was no reason to remove it

[glacial lagoon]

yeah fr actually gve ball multihit back we have a whole mechanic just so that one thing doesnt happen

[meager halo]

remove ball brother

lebron playin with his hands >

boxing lebron would be insane

switched sports

[quartz steppe]

that would be pretty funny. as long as Lebron's ball has the cooldown that it does, he will never have the potential to be on pair with other characters

[meager halo]

cooldown ew

brother we don't need ball

remember

we said he is a boxer now

use the sair 😭

[quartz steppe]

ye 'cuz then i can actually use up-special (w/ ball) more often and not be severely punished for missing. buffing the speed of side-air would allow him to get ball back faster, but it would also give him another 0td

[jolly plume]

That would buff him. We all know no one wants to deal with these Lebron hands.

So remove bron hands

Oh wait. Now he is gonna kick everyone

Quick remove his legs

[glacial lagoon]

bro is gona play wheelchair basketball 😭

[tiny kiln]

Is there a good guide to Lebron?

[mild hornet]

Yeah but the nerf would be bigger

[mild hornet]

Yeah but u dont understand

Lebron is way too strong rn

He's prob S tier

And top 3

[quartz steppe]

that's the wildest thing i ever heard. he doesn't even place top 10 in tournaments

[sage harness]

These kind of msgs always make me laugh cuz I don't even know if they're sarcasm or not anymore 😂

[quartz steppe]

fr. bro must have been talking about irl Lebron when he won the gold medal

[mild hornet]

Yeah he places top 1

[late socket]

Literally what I've been saying

[late socket]

#combos message

#combos message

[quartz steppe]

never mind

i guess i was wrong

#general message

[meager halo]

ig mains would be mad tho

[meager halo]

good patch

LeBron

Air Down Attack (Basketball and No Basketball Versions)

• Now allows fast-fall during attack start-up
  Air Neutral Attack
  ~ More upward aerial momentum is maintained on attack start-up

i'm gon hop in later to check the changes

idk seems like they making slight slight dair without using a dodge

[night oracle]

@meager halo i am not home. have you tested it? what exactly is the point of these changes?

lmk lmk jus curious to see whether or not it's actually a buff

cuz they been gutting ma boy

is it jus the same basically

[jolly plume]

Dair fast fall could allow for easier tech chases with ball pass into nb dair. But beyond that I can’t think of much here

[bold vortex]

idk what they did but movement feels alot different

[bold vortex]

fast fall dair tech chases? idk

[sage harness]

most nothing-burger buffs in MVS' existence

[meager halo]

i would rather have a nothing-burger buff than a game changing nerf

[sage harness]

You're right 😂

[meager halo]

that's how lebron's treated 😭

wait what

i think that's a nerrf

LOL

i just launched the game

LOL

[sage harness]

What

💀

Nerfing lebron is just the game's running joke at this point 😂

[meager halo]

ok so listen

bcz this is funny

this is really funny

[sage harness]

wha

[meager halo]

so what they did with dair ( ball one )
basically allows u to do jab jab dair without using any meter

but what's funny is

because the fastfall has a weird movement with the move

sometimes it just messes up ur jab jab dodge dair follow ups

esp if ur reading a ground tech

LOL

[sage harness]

💀

Kinda sad I had to drop the game but at the same time 😭

Like cmon

[meager halo]

also it's unusable
lebron goes like 2 meters above the head so u can't even follow up with ground special or anything

[sage harness]

How in god's green earth do you ruin a game this badly

[sage harness]

This really was a Multiversus

[meager halo]

holup

i'm cookin something

[sage harness]

I'll still stand by opinion that the beta, while obviously more chaotic and less accessible due to the exagerated speed of the characters, was WAY more fun than whatever multiversus is now.

[meager halo]

#clips message LOL

the lebron buffs

😭

[quartz steppe]

that's what he gets for being the only black character in the game

[late socket]

Are you down airing with the a button or with the stick?

[meager halo]

keyboard

[late socket]

Yeah I think it's a keyboard exclusive nerf then :/

[mossy marten]

nah i play keyboard it works you just have to tap it instead of holding it

[glacial lagoon]

this is crazy LMAO

[quartz steppe]

i was joking. im also black

[glacial lagoon]

na ik thats just funny asf though 😭

[quartz steppe]

lol

[bold vortex]

It also feels like fair doesn't keep any momentum anymore

[wooden harbor]

Come back bro

LeBron got buffs

Now he’s high B

Low A

[sage harness]

Hell nah

I've been reading all the patch notes

[wooden harbor]

Momentum for dair is amazing

[sage harness]

The fcked up the character, and the game as a whole

[wooden harbor]

He’s good

[sage harness]

Not coming back man

[wooden harbor]

😭

Nah the game is still good

They added a feature so you can’t go against people 2 tiers above you

[sage harness]

That solves 0 of the fundamental issues the multiversus release presented

[wooden harbor]

Marcelines voice lines also got some fixing

[sage harness]

The game's fine, but what once was a game with the potential to be one of the best platform fighters ever ended up being one of the worst ones.

I've played 3 other platform fighters and all of them play and feel better than MVS.

[wooden harbor]

Nah I’m trolling but I think it could still have potential

[sage harness]

Than the MVS release, that is.

The beta is a whole different story.

I don't even care about the IPs anymore.

They ruined the game, and you can clearly see that in the playercount.

[wooden harbor]

Ngl I like this game a lot but I still think games like brawlhalla is way better

[wooden harbor]

Season 4 will be better

[sage harness]

🤷‍♂️

[sage harness]

Yeah no, I said that about season 2 as well.

I also told myself that if most of the issues weren't fixed by S2, I'd drop the game.

And so I did.

I usually don't come back to games where I don't complete a BP, so I'm pretty sure I'll never come back to MVS.

Still, I'll stay here to laugh at the usual LeBron nerfs that come with each update 😂

[wooden harbor]

💀what if it becomes smash level popular

Or if LeBron gets good buffs

[sage harness]

The beta had become smash level popular. It was in everyone's mouths and everyone was having fun with it.

Then it "released" and everything went to sht

[quartz steppe]

i found it easier to play Lebron while using d-pad as my movement instead of the joystick. no-look passes are so easy now

[sage harness]

I'm way more interesting in the future of Smack Studio now.

[quartz steppe]

who

[sage harness]

Yeah, playing with the D-pad is recommended as you don't have the "walk" state in MVS so you don't need the precise inputs of a joystick.

[quartz steppe]

bro, warner bros got all the character IPs. they just need to fix the game a little bit more

[sage harness]

Another platform fighter with a built-in character/ stage editor and a sprite-rigging system.

[sage harness]

Doesn't matter how many IPs you got if your game is trash.

Genuinely the worst platform fighter out there.

[quartz steppe]

i see. they should set it to the default

[sage harness]

🤷‍♂️

[tiny kiln]

NASB 1 and 2 is worse

[bold vortex]

I love hitting no ball dair sourspot every single time very good change

[sage harness]

NASB 1 is worse, NASB 2 isn't.

[wooden harbor]

Smack studio 💀

[quartz steppe]

nah i'd say brawlhalla is trash. especially after they nerfed the bull character. the characters there don't even talk 😂

[sage harness]

Unless they pull a Fortnite and add a "classic" mode where you can play the original game, I don't think this game's gonna see any spike in popularity.

[tiny kiln]

Honestly they give off very similar coporate sequel vibes

[sage harness]

You haven't played either, have you?

[tiny kiln]

Rivals 2 is where it is at

[sage harness]

Gameplay is still more balanced and dynamic than MVS'

[tiny kiln]

I haven’t, honestly NASB 2 seems fun but I own a switch and Ps4 and both run at 30 fps so no thanks, NASB 1 is just bad from what I’ve heard

[wooden harbor]

Brawlhalla is NOT worse

[sage harness]

Yeah I'm also looking forward to Rivals 2. Not too excited tho cuz I haven't heard anything about the workshop, and that's what I'm most interested in.

[wooden harbor]

As much as people hate it that game is 99% balanced

[sage harness]

Basically, NASB 1 is trash and NASB is just good.

[wooden harbor]

Pros can play any character they want

[sage harness]

Exactly

[tiny kiln]

I love that game

Loki was seen as op and received barely anything and he is still fine

[sage harness]

Also Smack Studio is really fun. I also looked at the trailers and went "eughh" but once I tried it, I realized what I was missing on by playing this piece of crap MVS.

[bold vortex]

Slap city is the only real platform fighter worth playing

[wooden harbor]

Yea and no such thing as crazy losing matchups like multiversus.

[tiny kiln]

True

[wooden harbor]

Marvin vs iron giant is crazy as hell

[tiny kiln]

I just prefer the roster variety in MVS

Also I can’t handle the pace of Brawlhala

[wooden harbor]

you ask people what should I do to fight a certain character.
Mfs will say you can’t do anything, that’s a losing “matchup “ 🤦‍♂️

[wooden harbor]

Yea it’s really sweaty

[tiny kiln]

Honestly I feel like its mainly heavies that get absurd mus

[wooden harbor]

Brawlhalla is all about movement, this game is all about who can do the most broken thing after hitting jab

[sage harness]

👆

[tiny kiln]

Honestly reason why I play MVS is more of as a casual fighting game to play

[sage harness]

It's crazy because Smash is competitive game advertised as a party game, and multiversus is a party game advertised as a competitive game

[tiny kiln]

True

[sage harness]

Multiversus is just NOT competitive but it still tries SO HARD to be

[tiny kiln]

I play Smash more so competively

[tiny kiln]

I have seen like one MVS tourney actually happen when looking through youtube

Or at least actually exist

[wooden harbor]

Brawlhalla is like top 10 of my most played games but it’s because really sweat and repetitive.

I see mvs as something new I can enjoy for now

[sage harness]

Haven't seen it but I bet there's at least one Harley in the top 3

[bold vortex]

Gonna be exciting to see what happens when rivals 2 actually drops

[sage harness]

Or a WW

[tiny kiln]

Probably

Tho I think part of the issue with MVS is the community

I have looked through the character channels a bit and I’ve seen basically every character channel downplay their character, seen it with Taz, seen it with Joker, and seen it with T&J

[sage harness]

The crazy part is that Lebron mains are the only ones who can do that and it'll be 100% justified

[tiny kiln]

Yeah

[sage harness]

I've seen Harley mains complain about their character

This community is just insane

Another one of the reasons I don't play anymore

[tiny kiln]

I’ll use smash again, I mean you do see people downplaying their characters but you also more so generally see people discussing how to improve their character through their gameplay

[sage harness]

Yep

[wooden harbor]

Joker isn’t top 5 #1245150486827368532 message

🤦‍♂️

[tiny kiln]

Yep

[wooden harbor]

They will say sum shi like frame data

This data

That data

It literally doesn’t matter joker is too strong

[tiny kiln]

Endlag

Where

[sage harness]

Oh yeah, that

Insane how Jason is the only character with actual endlag after his attacks 💀

His down B is basically the worst grab in the game and yet it has a whole 2 second endlag animation because "WHY NOT"

[tiny kiln]

Because Jason

I do feel like they’ve been improving on character design afrer the beta relaunch

Smith is incredibly balanced, Jason is well Jason but also hes a heavy, Jokers the exception, BG is balanced, and Beetle Juice is balanced

[bold vortex]

Bro whenever I accidentally input no ball ground side attack I have time to get a cup of Coffee when animation has ended

[sage harness]

Oh yeah

Tbh I didn't consider no-ball lebron cuz that isn't even a character at this point

Lebron and no ball lebron: Worst character and non-character

[sage harness]

Smith? Balanced?

The same guy that has a TP with the kill power of jason's up b?

[tiny kiln]

That has a decent amount of startup and endlag?

[sage harness]

Look at any of his moves that uses a gun rq

[tiny kiln]

I’ll have to later

[quartz steppe]

y'all Lebron mains need to check #combos i just labbed something crazy

[jolly plume]

Are these even true? Like DI full proof?

[quartz steppe]

it works on DI away for sure

theres another one i will lab for DI-in. u'll just have to guess which one ur opponent will do